Friday evening - 4/11/08

[crymeariver2006]

Carry on!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by daniel green


OK--here is my rough, not word for word, translation, as per TOS. Just an overview of what it says.


http://www.vozdemichoacan.com.mx/secciones/seguridad/seg000623.html

Detienen a asesino

MATÓ A SU COLEGA QUE TENÍA 8 MESES DE EMBARAZO: PGJE; ERA MARINE

Sheila Joali Pérez / La Voz de Michoacán
===========

Murderer Arrested

He killed his fellow marine who was 8 mos pregnant.


The article says that they captured him in Tacambaro, that he is a US citizen wanted by the FBI.

They also say that he could get the death penalthy.

The police was investigating another crime and they found him, he gave his name and age and was very nervous. Police took him in and found out he was most wanted by FBI.

He has been transferred to Mexico City and Interpol Mexico is working with the US authorities. Also goes by Cesar Gudino and/or Cesan Sanchez and he was born in Jalisco.

He can get life without parole or the death pen. [/*]

[crymeariver2006]

I guess I should have looked at a calendar! LOL, I put 5/11 but since all that vodka and Minute Maid, ya'll have to 'scuse me!

:D

[daniel green]

Lessons:

1) Keep up with your native tongue

2) Stay off MySpace.

[hinman]

Thanks Daniel.

[daniel green]

This one is in English:

Banderas News--from the coast, Puerto Vallarta

http://www.banderasnews.com/0804/nr-killercaught.htm

[nuttintodo]

That's not a cut on CAL's wrist just above the cuffs...it's a wristband of some kind....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/slideshow_497182_US_Missing_Marine_.jpg

I enlarged the picture and it's clearly a wristband.

JMO

[daniel green]

Well, that is all the coverage I can find in Mexican news.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
That's not a cut on CAL's wrist just above the cuffs...it's a wristband of some kind....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/slideshow_497182_US_Missing_Marine_.jpg

I enlarged the picture and it's clearly a wristband.

JMO [/*]

the cnn video they ran today it appears to be blood.
maybe a bandage was put on it at some point in time.

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks CW for changing the date for me!

:beer:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by daniel green
Well, that is all the coverage I can find in Mexican news. [/*]
Thanks daniel. It's interesting to see the local news from there. I also have a translator called babelfish on my computer so I could read them more easily. :)

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
That's not a cut on CAL's wrist just above the cuffs...it's a wristband of some kind....

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/slideshow_497182_US_Missing_Marine_.jpg

I enlarged the picture and it's clearly a wristband.

JMO [/*]

Thanks nuttin!

[TobyWong]

I thought the red mark on his wrist was a string bracelet but I guess it could be cuff marks.
For some reason I get the feeling he just wanted to give up. I bet the whole run to mexico was'nt going as well as he had planned and was probably feeling christina trying to cover her own butt instead of helping him. It just seems strange, especially if you see the police walking around and you don't side step them or give them a fake name. Also he looked pretty healthy to me, trimmed hair, shortish beard, he did not look gaunt to me. IMO the I loved her statement is part of his defense AND to really put it in christina's face.
I did'nt think he was in mexico or alive. Or believe the cousin. It baffles me even more that he was'nt caught on the way to mexico. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by TobyWong
I thought the red mark on his wrist was a string bracelet but I guess it could be cuff marks.
For some reason I get the feeling he just wanted to give up. I bet the whole run to mexico was'nt going as well as he had planned and was probably feeling christina trying to cover her own butt instead of helping him. It just seems strange, especially if you see the police walking around and you don't side step them or give them a fake name. Also he looked pretty healthy to me, trimmed hair, shortish beard, he did not look gaunt to me. IMO the I loved her statement is part of his defense AND to really put it in christina's face.
I did'nt think he was in mexico or alive. Or believe the cousin. It baffles me even more that he was'nt caught on the way to mexico. JMO [/*]

Yes, I believe he was ready to come back. He could've given a fake name but he didn't. He looks a little thinner but it doesn't seem like he had been starving. He looks kinda lost I think.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by TobyWong
I thought the red mark on his wrist was a string bracelet but I guess it could be cuff marks.
For some reason I get the feeling he just wanted to give up. I bet the whole run to mexico was'nt going as well as he had planned and was probably feeling christina trying to cover her own butt instead of helping him. It just seems strange, especially if you see the police walking around and you don't side step them or give them a fake name. Also he looked pretty healthy to me, trimmed hair, shortish beard, he did not look gaunt to me. IMO the I loved her statement is part of his defense AND to really put it in christina's face.
I did'nt think he was in mexico or alive. Or believe the cousin. It baffles me even more that he was'nt caught on the way to mexico. JMO [/*]

Hey, I had to eat crow for the being alive, Mexico and the cousin stuff so I feel your pain!

But I do agree that thinking about living on the run is a whole lot better and easier than actually doing it. IMO, he didn't last long.

[TobyWong]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes, I believe he was ready to come back. He could've given a fake name but he didn't. He looks a little thinner but it doesn't seem like he had been starving. He looks kinda lost I think. [/*]
He could'nt understand what they were saying to him:)

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes, I believe he was ready to come back. He could've given a fake name but he didn't. He looks a little thinner but it doesn't seem like he had been starving. He looks kinda lost I think. [/*]I think he was ready to live his life the way it use to be but I just don't think he was ready to come back this way.

He would of turned himself in 3 months ago. So sad that LE, FBI, and the military had to invest so much time into finding this sicko.

[JD81]

I'm a little tired of posting, but may be back later.

I just want to say I am extremely happy Cesar was caught.

I was also very happy the PC today finally gave Christina the respect she deserves.

For Christina and her child-victims too.:rose:

:chicken:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Here's the transcript from CNN from the PC given earlier this afternoon. Unfortunately, they cut away from the PC to go to their guests before Christina's attorney takes the podium and that's the part I wanted to READ. :tongue:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/cnr.05.html

[daniel green]

Originally posted by JanDoe


the cnn video they ran today it appears to be blood.
maybe a bandage was put on it at some point in time. [/*]

Yep.

It was blood. It was not symetrical like a wrist band.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


snipped

But I do agree that thinking about living on the run is a whole lot better and easier than actually doing it. [/*]

Post of the day.

[strick10]

Originally posted by TobyWong

He could'nt understand what they were saying to him:) [/*]

Oh I'm sure he did. He probably just couldn't respond properly. I understand when my family speaks spanish to me and I respond in bad or incorrect spanish or in half spanish half english.....dead give away I'd say if I were in Mexico that I am not a Mexican national.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Hey, I had to eat crow for the being alive, Mexico and the cousin stuff so I feel your pain!

But I do agree that thinking about living on the run is a whole lot better and easier than actually doing it. IMO, he didn't last long. [/*]
It probably sounded like the answer to everything at the time, but it would be hard to stay one step ahead of LE. And I read he only had 10 pesos with him.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes, I believe he was ready to come back. He could've given a fake name but he didn't. He looks a little thinner but it doesn't seem like he had been starving. He looks kinda lost I think. [/*]

Almost broken strick IMO.:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green
Lessons:

1) Keep up with your native tongue

2) Stay off MySpace. [/*]



LMAO....I have been trying to find where you hit your 1000! I completely missed it, Congrats and haven't we turned out to be a couple of proper fine ladies? Till we're banned again! Thanks for the honor.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by TobyWong

He could'nt understand what they were saying to him:) [/*]

He must have if he gave them his name.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Almost broken strick IMO.:shrug: [/*]

Okay what the heck I'll say how he appears to me. To me he appears broken, tired, lost and really defeated. Wonder if he has "proof" that he may have not killed Maria per his word to the media.

ETA: I think he's not going to hold anything back when it comes to saving his rear either. I've always thought there was more than him involved and still believe so. Maybe not CSL but 2 other people maybe.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by TobyWong

He could'nt understand what they were saying to him:) [/*]:lol: hard to believe isn't it ? I saw Geraldo on the Fox & Friends this am. and when he said "CL didn't speak Spanish" I thought he was crazy ! Wasn't he a teenager before leaving Mexico ? 12/ 13 yr old or something. Can't imagine how one forgets their native language.:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by JD81
I'm a little tired of posting, but may be back later.

I just want to say I am extremely happy Cesar was caught.

I was also very happy the PC today finally gave Christina the respect she deserves.

For Christina and her child-victims too.:rose:

:chicken: [/*]

I am extemely happy Cesar was caught too. I'm sure Christina will continue to receive all the respect due to her. Wait for it! JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Almost broken strick IMO.:shrug: [/*]

Yes, he looked very resigned.

Imo he was glad that it had come to an end.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay what the heck I'll say how he appears to me. To me he appears broken, tired, lost and really defeated. Wonder if he has "proof" that he may have not killed Maria per his word to the media.

ETA: I think he's not going to hold anything back when it comes to saving his rear either. I've always thought there was more than him involved and still believe so. Maybe not CSL but 2 other people maybe. [/*]
I too wonder what he meant by "proof" ~ that LE doesn't have any that he killed Maria or he has proof that he didn't. He has to know by now that the suicide story isn't going to work. :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay what the heck I'll say how he appears to me. To me he appears broken, tired, lost and really defeated. Wonder if he has "proof" that he may have not killed Maria per his word to the media.

ETA: I think he's not going to hold anything back when it comes to saving his rear either. I've always thought there was more than him involved and still believe so. Maybe not CSL but 2 other people maybe. [/*]

I don't think he's going to hold back either. But, he could up and confess to acting alone and avoid a trial altogether.

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench




LMAO....I have been trying to find where you hit your 1000! I completely missed it, Congrats and haven't we turned out to be a couple of proper fine ladies? Till we're banned again! Thanks for the honor. [/*]

Did you see my roses to you and my dedication of my 1000th post?

Haven't we turned out to be a splendid pair.

The honor, for real, is mine.

And, yes, till we're banned again!

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by hinman
Thanks Daniel. [/*]

Hinman, I went to reply to your post, thread was closed.

Check out http://www.jdnews.com/

SB and RS stated Christina has been a cooperative witness and has done everything they asked of her. Her attorney also stood at podium and explained she is under a "gag" order from MC.

Lynn had some later updates of press conference.

Hope this helps.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay what the heck I'll say how he appears to me. To me he appears broken, tired, lost and really defeated. snipped[/*]

Absolutely.

Just broken.

Totally resigned.

And there was something about the way he stood there, almost at attention that, well, just got to me. He seemed sooooooooo young.

I guess because that lost look and fear is what I see every day on the faces in juvenile court and jail...but it never gets any easier seeing it.

Or seeing the senselessness in the crimes. But that does not make the fear any less.

[TobyWong]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


He must have if he gave them his name.

imoo [/*]
I know I'm just kidding.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
:lol: hard to believe isn't it ? I saw Geraldo on the Fox & Friends this am. and when he said "CL didn't speak Spanish" I thought he was crazy ! Wasn't he a teenager before leaving Mexico ? 12/ 13 yr old or something. Can't imagine how one forgets their native language.:shrug: [/*]

He's been here for TEN YEARS, count'em TEN. And he certainly looked very nervous at a minimum IMO. :shrug:

[daniel green]

http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/576831.html

NCIS: No paternity test yet in Lauterbach case

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

I too wonder what he meant by "proof" ~ that LE doesn't have any that he killed Maria or he has proof that he didn't. He has to know by now that the suicide story isn't going to work. :shrug: [/*]
:seeya: sunstar! Hope we find out what he means. If he meant that he didn't kill her that he has proof then I'd like to see that. Just cause he claimed suicide doesn't mean there may be someone else who hit her on the side of the head. The roller coaster continues.

[daniel green]

From link above:

doctors estimated her date of conception as May 14.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


Absolutely.

Just broken.

Totally resigned.

And there was something about the way he stood there, almost at attention that, well, just got to me. He seemed sooooooooo young.

I guess because that lost look and fear is what I see every day on the faces in juvenile court and jail...but it never gets any easier seeing it.

Or seeing the senselessness in the crimes. But that does not make the fear any less. [/*]

Exactly....nor the crime they are accused of committing any less heinous.

But your heart goes out to all that is lost by a senseless act if you believe he did it.

My heart goes out to the tragic loss of life as I believe Maria would have developed into whatever she wanted to be once she committed to it and for the loss of her child too.

The losses are too numerous to list, but you get the jist. JMO.:(

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Absolutely.

Just broken.

Totally resigned.

And there was something about the way he stood there, almost at attention that, well, just got to me. He seemed sooooooooo young.

I guess because that lost look and fear is what I see every day on the faces in juvenile court and jail...but it never gets any easier seeing it.

Or seeing the senselessness in the crimes. But that does not make the fear any less. [/*]

I did notice he looked SO very young.

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


Absolutely.

Just broken.

Totally resigned.

And there was something about the way he stood there, almost at attention that, well, just got to me. He seemed sooooooooo young.

I guess because that lost look and fear is what I see every day on the faces in juvenile court and jail...but it never gets any easier seeing it.

Or seeing the senselessness in the crimes. But that does not make the fear any less. [/*]



Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder how much fear AND PAIN Maria and Gabriel felt?:shrug:
:chicken:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes, I believe he was ready to come back. He could've given a fake name but he didn't. He looks a little thinner but it doesn't seem like he had been starving. He looks kinda lost I think. [/*]

I think he thought that they knew who he was when they stopped him, that the authorities were specifically looking for him. They had set up a roadblock or something like that for the kidnapper who fled to Mexico.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I did notice he looked SO very young. [/*]

I know. Younger than in the pictures of him.

That always gets to me.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay what the heck I'll say how he appears to me. To me he appears broken, tired, lost and really defeated. Wonder if he has "proof" that he may have not killed Maria per his word to the media.

ETA: I think he's not going to hold anything back when it comes to saving his rear either. I've always thought there was more than him involved and still believe so. Maybe not CSL but 2 other people maybe. [/*]

That was my perception too.

I know many want to believe he is some kind of psychopathic killer but IMOO I saw a softness in his eyes. I just didn't see a hard or cold man. I still believe this crime was one which erupted out of extreme heated passion. Now by whom is still up for debate as far as I am concern.

He is not nearly as tough as some think he is imo. I saw fear and disorientation. He looked sort of overwhelmed by it all.

Imo he knows something we nor LE knows.........I hope he comes back and tells his story.

I am also now convinced he is not worried about what CSL may say.......he told that he loved Maria and he knew that would be learned by CSL. Was it a subliminal message to CSL? Perhaps. That is was time to tell all of the truth?

imoo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by bkwits


I think he thought that they knew who he was when they stopped him, that the authorities were specifically looking for him. They had set up a roadblock or something like that for the kidnapper who fled to Mexico. [/*]

I'll bet you're right, bkwits. And I think life on the run was difficult enough that he resigned himself to capture. JMO

Hi, everyone :seeya: They really caught him; what a relief.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Almost broken strick IMO.:shrug: [/*]

IMO, yes he does look a bit broken, but I watched his eyes in the video and they are dead looking. I didn't see the one where someone said they saw tears, but, all I could think was he was dumbfounded he'd been caught and nobody's home behind his eyes.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


He's been here for TEN YEARS, count'em TEN. And he certainly looked very nervous at a minimum IMO. :shrug: [/*]

I see that all the time.

I learned English as his age and had I not spoken it daily for the rest of my life, I would have lost it.

As it is, my Spanish is peppered with words I don't know in Spanish. You know, like "zip code," or "hard drive."

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green
From link above:

doctors estimated her date of conception as May 14. [/*]

Thanks for the link dg. Yup, seems like the alleged rape did not result in her preganancy, but, I think CAL is the father. Think they had one last consensual encounter which CAL may have told Maria they couldn't see each other anymore or he told her he would not leave his wife and she reported the alleged rape out of anger to get even not thinking that she could not take back her claim.

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


I know. Younger than in the pictures of him.

That always gets to me. [/*]

Now who would have known you are a bit of softy? Your compassion enhances you. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That was my perception too.

I know many want to believe he is some kind of psychopathic killer but IMOO I saw a softness in his eyes. I just didn't see a hard or cold man. Isnipped[/*]

Me, either.

Those eyes are the eyes I have seen in so many kids who get caught up in something or do something and even they cannot believe they could have done such a thing. And wish they could take the moment back.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by JD81




Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder how much fear AND PAIN Maria and Gabriel felt?:shrug:
:chicken: [/*]


I agree, the whole tragedy is so sad. Here's a young man who brutally and without mercy killed a young marine and her child (IMO).

He's thrown his life away as well. He's destroyed the life of his wife and daughter and hurt his family, as well as the other families involved.

I hope he faces the consequences of what he has caused. IMO

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I did notice he looked SO very young. [/*]

Yes, he did/does look so young, but I'm finding the older I get, the younger 'they' look.
;)

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


Did you see my roses to you and my dedication of my 1000th post?

Haven't we turned out to be a splendid pair.

The honor, for real, is mine.

And, yes, till we're banned again! [/*]

I saw when JD (ermmm) posted a reply. Let's see if we can make 2000!!!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10

:seeya: sunstar! Hope we find out what he means. If he meant that he didn't kill her that he has proof then I'd like to see that. Just cause he claimed suicide doesn't mean there may be someone else who hit her on the side of the head. The roller coaster continues. [/*]
Hi! It sure is a roller coaster. What I'm really curious about is if he'll continue the suicide story or not. The only other person who should've been in the house besides him is Mrs. CL ~ so if he didn't kill Maria then that would have to put the blame on his wife.

Time for dinner so I'll be back for Nancy's show! :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Oregongal


IMO, yes he does look a bit broken, but I watched his eyes in the video and they are dead looking. I didn't see the one where someone said they saw tears, but, all I could think was he was dumbfounded he'd been caught and nobody's home behind his eyes. [/*]

Isn't it strange how one can perceive something and another will see the opposite.

I found his eyes filled with warmth. I noticed that off the bat. To me they were not cold at all. They revealed emotions and feelings imo.

imoo

:seeya:

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by daniel green


I see that all the time.

I learned English as his age and had I not spoken it daily for the rest of my life, I would have lost it.

As it is, my Spanish is peppered with words I don't know in Spanish. You know, like "zip code," or "hard drive." [/*] Ty, that makes sense . I know several Spanish bi-lingual people, but they speak to their parents and Family continually in Spanish especially if they don't want English only speaking people to know what they are saying. I guess I assumed most kept up with their native language. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


Now who would have known you are a bit of softy? Your compassion enhances you. JMO [/*]

A bit????????? :eek:

Please.

I cried while listening to the Am Idol contestants singing that song from Rent the other night.

525,600 minutes...

[JD81]

I'm looking at the press conference again I recorded. Cesar had some shifty eyes going on at one point. jmo

I think DA Hudson is a cutie. jmo

Just my type. :D

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by daniel green


I know. Younger than in the pictures of him.

That always gets to me. [/*]

The pics that got me were the ones they kept flashing of Maria last night, her non-Marine pics...she looked like a pretty little girl.
Lots of sparkle and smiles.
No more smiles and sparkles for her now.
:rose:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


I saw when JD (ermmm) posted a reply. Let's see if we can make 2000!!! [/*]

You are an optimist.

Heck, I can't believe I got to 1000 without getting the boot.

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench


Now who would have known you are a bit of softy? Your compassion enhances you. JMO [/*]

:eek:

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That was my perception too.

I know many want to believe he is some kind of psychopathic killer but IMOO I saw a softness in his eyes. I just didn't see a hard or cold man. I still believe this crime was one which erupted out of extreme heated passion. Now by whom is still up for debate as far as I am concern.

He is not nearly as tough as some think he is imo. I saw fear and disorientation. He looked sort of overwhelmed by it all.

Imo he knows something we nor LE knows.........I hope he comes back and tells his story.

I am also now convinced he is not worried about what CSL may say.......he told that he loved Maria and he knew that would be learned by CSL. Was it a subliminal message to CSL? Perhaps. That is was time to tell all of the truth?

imoo [/*]

ITA with your post he seems resigned. I thought I read mention of some communication with CL that fell through, not sure if RS said that last night. So if they were in arrangement for him to turn himself in, he may very well just walked the street in plain sight expecting LE to be looking for him at every turn. Surprised, that they did not know his name, "You Know Who I am".

Sure was some photo op in MX police station, holding onto his arms, taking pics while a big ole rifle slung over a shoulder by LE.
CL sure kept his calm, barely shifty his feet.
I loved Her, subliminal, seems so.
imo

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Isn't it strange how one can perceive something and another will see the opposite.

I found his eyes filled with warmth. I noticed that off the bat. To me they were not cold at all. They revealed emotions and feelings imo.

imoo

:seeya: [/*]

Yes, it is GB and I totally respect your perception.
:seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That was my perception too.

I know many want to believe he is some kind of psychopathic killer but IMOO I saw a softness in his eyes. I just didn't see a hard or cold man. I still believe this crime was one which erupted out of extreme heated passion. Now by whom is still up for debate as far as I am concern.

He is not nearly as tough as some think he is imo. I saw fear and disorientation. He looked sort of overwhelmed by it all.

Imo he knows something we nor LE knows.........I hope he comes back and tells his story.

I am also now convinced he is not worried about what CSL may say.......he told that he loved Maria and he knew that would be learned by CSL. Was it a subliminal message to CSL? Perhaps. That is was time to tell all of the truth?

Seems he meant to send some type of message. I don't think he's gonna hold back anything. If there's other(s) involved he's gonna talk, he's not going down for this if he didn't do it all himself he's going to want anyone responsible to pay as well. JMO

imoo [/*]

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Yes, it is GB and I totally respect your perception.
:seeya: [/*]

As, I surely do yours, O'gal.

Good to "see" you.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That was my perception too.

I know many want to believe he is some kind of psychopathic killer but IMOO I saw a softness in his eyes. I just didn't see a hard or cold man. I still believe this crime was one which erupted out of extreme heated passion. Now by whom is still up for debate as far as I am concern.

He is not nearly as tough as some think he is imo. I saw fear and disorientation. He looked sort of overwhelmed by it all.

Imo he knows something we nor LE knows.........I hope he comes back and tells his story.

I am also now convinced he is not worried about what CSL may say.......he told that he loved Maria and he knew that would be learned by CSL. Was it a subliminal message to CSL? Perhaps. That is was time to tell all of the truth?

imoo [/*]

GB, it doesn't matter whether I think the same way you do or see things the way you do, your human decency and spiritual caring shines through wherever you are posting. I am forever touched by it and your strength to always seek justice and the whole truth no matter where it leads us.

Keep on keeping on girl! :rose: I could never express it so well.

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10
[/*]

Maybe he was mad at Christina for getting caught and was sticking a knife in by saying he loved Maria. You just never know. jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81




Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder how much fear AND PAIN Maria and Gabriel felt?:shrug:
:chicken: [/*]

Posters are posting their observations of CALs capture pics. There is no telling how much pain Maria suffered and I certainly don't think she deserved dying. Just observations JD81 that's all.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


I see that all the time.

I learned English as his age and had I not spoken it daily for the rest of my life, I would have lost it.

As it is, my Spanish is peppered with words I don't know in Spanish. You know, like "zip code," or "hard drive." [/*]

I see it too in the high school students here. They aren't as fluent when they are using both languages. English at school and Spanish at home.

So I understand what you are saying daniel and agree.

JMO.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Mexicans Recall Marine Suspect in Cabin

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBE9yDd31uSf0vpigMeb8BVAytBQD8VVT8AG0

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Yes, it is GB and I totally respect your perception.
:seeya: [/*]

I thought his eyes were very warm and if windows of his soul, very peaceful JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JD81
I'm looking at the press conference again I recorded. Cesar had some shifty eyes going on at one point. jmo

I think DA Hudson is a cutie. jmo

Just my type. :D [/*]

Hudson is sort of a drab guy imo. I have no doubt he is a nice guy though. Sort of reminds me of the ADA who tried the Winkler case.

I think Laurean kept looking side to side because all eyes were on him........that had to be unnerving.

imoo

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


Posters are posting their observations of CALs capture pics. There is no telling how much pain Maria suffered and I certainly don't think she deserved dying. Just observations JD81 that's all. [/*]

OK, but it was beginning to sound like a memorial thread to Cesar. Just saying.....

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by JD81




Hmmmmmmmmmm I wonder how much fear AND PAIN Maria and Gabriel felt?:shrug:
:chicken: [/*]

Gee, should somebody start a prayer thread for laurean and post a rose? There are many victims in this tragedy and cesar laurean, imo, is not one of them. He is a cold blooded murderer, imo. :cuss:

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81
I'm looking at the press conference again I recorded. Cesar had some shifty eyes going on at one point. jmo

I think DA Hudson is a cutie. jmo

Just my type. :D [/*]

Shifting probably cause he's got alot of people in that room.

Personally I want to pat Hudson on his head like a good little boy.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


I thought his eyes were very warm and if windows of his soul, very peaceful JMO [/*]

I sure don't know what happened to cause this crime but imo this guy is not cold and unfeeling.

I watched his eyes very closely even noticing how long his eyelashes are and I can honestly say there was much warmth coming from his eyes imo....his eyes were very clear and the brown was soft and illuminating.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


Maybe he was mad at Christina for getting caught and was sticking a knife in by saying he loved Maria. You just never know. jmo [/*]

I don't think that his intent was on making CSL mad. He's already done that. But as you say, you just never know.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I sure don't know what happened to cause this crime but imo this guy is not cold and unfeeling.

I watched his eyes very closely even noticing how long his eyelashes are and I can honestly say there was much warmth coming from his eyes imo....his eyes were very clear and the brown was soft and illuminating.

imoo [/*]

I agree, GB. It isn't necessary for someone to be unredeemably evil for them to commit an unforgivable crime.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Gee, should somebody start a prayer thread for laurean and post a rose? There are many victims in this tragedy and cesar laurean, imo, is not one of them. He is a cold blooded murderer, imo. :cuss: [/*]

Why? Because some of us do not think his eyes show him to be cold or unfeeling? This case is far from being proven BARD so the remark that he is a cold blooded killer has not even been decided nor his guilt.

Are you saying we cant express our own opinions or interpretations concerning the video footage we have seen of him? Why?

imoo

[nana2]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Gee, should somebody start a prayer thread for laurean and post a rose? There are many victims in this tragedy and cesar laurean, imo, is not one of them. He is a cold blooded murderer, imo. :cuss: [/*] fo sho :rolleyes:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by baywench


Now who would have known you are a bit of softy? Your compassion enhances you. JMO [/*]
But a tiger cannot change his stripes ;)

and some lies are simply unforgivable.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


So if they were in arrangement for him to turn himself in,

snipped

I loved Her, subliminal, seems so.
imo [/*]

What arrangement to turn himself in????? They were planning on visiting.

Subliminal?????? Seems pretty straight forward.

[wandering]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I don't think he's going to hold back either. But, he could up and confess to acting alone and avoid a trial altogether.

At this point, nothing would surprise me. [/*]Yes, I think he might play "Let's make a deal."

He's probably glad to get arrested, and get three squares a day. Life on the run alone doesn't seem like a good way to live.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I did notice he looked SO very young. [/*]

He is young!

And so was Maria when she was murdered.

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I sure don't know what happened to cause this crime but imo this guy is not cold and unfeeling.

I watched his eyes very closely even noticing how long his eyelashes are and I can honestly say there was much warmth coming from his eyes imo....his eyes were very clear and the brown was soft and illuminating.

imoo [/*]

Wonder what the body language experts would have to say.

By no means forgetting Maria or Baby Gabriel and all the families involved in this murder. :rose:

Twists and Turns to say the least. So Sad for all involved.
Would love a pic of Christina for certain.

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


OK, but it was beginning to sound like a memorial thread to Cesar. Just saying.....

jmo [/*]

Ummm no I don't think so. At least not on my part.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Why? Because some of us do not think his eyes show him to be cold or unfeeling? This case is far from being proven BARD so the remark that he is a cold blooded killer has not even been decided nor his guilt.

Are you saying we cant express our own opinions or interpretations concerning the video footage we have seen of him? Why?

imoo [/*]

Of course not GentleBreeze, express away and of course I reserve the right to also post my opinion, which I did.

As for his guilt, I can also express an opinion of that too, which I did. BARD is for the courtroom.

[JD81]

Originally posted by JD81


Thanks Lynn. It seems there are some interesting things coming out about Cesar since his capture. I just wonder how many more will come out. jmo

It looks as though not only will Christina not be charged, but she is being credited with bringing him to justice. jmo

Quote from link:

"Onslow County Capt. Rick Sutherland said Cesar Laurean "repeatedly asked for resources from family members" and that his wife "specifically denied those resource when she was asked."

Christina Laurean fully cooperated with investigators, he said, "and got us to the point where we are today." [/*]

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by daniel green


What arrangement to turn himself in????? They were planning on visiting.

Subliminal?????? Seems pretty straight forward. [/*]

Daniel Green, I shall endeavor to find the quote, believe on last night thread. Previous agreements/arrangements to apprehend CL had fallen through. Just Saying, with CL statement, when asked Did he Murder ML, he stated "I Loved Her". Shall be back.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Mexicans Recall Marine Suspect in Cabin

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jBE9yDd31uSf0vpigMeb8BVAytBQD8VVT8AG0 [/*]

Thank you.

So he went to the internet cafe.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


As, I surely do yours, O'gal.

Good to "see" you.

imoo [/*]

You too GB. I was glad to see all you hard workers keeping the thread alive to this wonderful news of CL's capture.
I kinda moved on to a diff case, but kept an eye on you all.
Kudos to all of you!
:beer:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I agree, GB. It isn't necessary for someone to be unredeemably evil for them to commit an unforgivable crime.

JMO [/*]

Right, Cardinal, that is why we have varying degrees when it comes to homicides. They are not all the same........they are not all done by psychopaths devoid of feelings. Sometime that is the problem......there is way too much emotions causing the person to react in a manner they normally wouldn't.

Now he must pay if it is proven BARD that he did this but still it doesn't make him a stone cold killer. His jury will decide if it is a lessor degree of 2nd degree caused by a crime of passion. Just because he is charged with the top charge doesn't mean his jury will see it the same. We will have to wait and see.

Great to see you, btw!:seeya:

imoo

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


A bit????????? :eek:

Please.

I cried while listening to the Am Idol contestants singing that song from Rent the other night.

525,600 minutes... [/*]

Yeah I'm a sucker for all that stuff too!

[hinman]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


Hinman, I went to reply to your post, thread was closed.

Check out http://www.jdnews.com/

SB and RS stated Christina has been a cooperative witness and has done everything they asked of her. Her attorney also stood at podium and explained she is under a "gag" order from MC.

Lynn had some later updates of press conference.

Hope this helps. [/*]Thanks so much stickyBeak, I got a phone call, so I will check that out now,

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Why? Because some of us do not think his eyes show him to be cold or unfeeling? This case is far from being proven BARD so the remark that he is a cold blooded killer has not even been decided nor his guilt.

Are you saying we cant express our own opinions or interpretations concerning the video footage we have seen of him? Why?

imoo [/*]

I think you know there are some who are unable to look at a case and see the truth or allow themselves to feel any compassion other than for a woman or child. It's simply not tolerated.

It's a shame, as a closed mind gathers no intelligence from my POV.

JMO :(

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


snipped
Are you saying we cant express our own opinions or interpretations concerning the video footage we have seen of him? Why?

imoo [/*]

Perhaps if you say that he is an animal and should be boiled in a pot or hung on the town square without a trial, that is better.

GB, don't sweat it.

For those people who do not understand human beings and who only see things in black/white terms, either angel/victim or monster/animal, there is no nuance.

[Nova]

Good Evening Everyone ...
Just wanted to say I've yet to post on this board but would read when I could. I'm relieved Cesar was captured ... wasn't sure when that would occur IF at all.
Also ... kudos to all you posters who refused to let this case just slip away, and continued to post and update everyday keeping it in the forefront of people's minds. Although the opinions vary, which one would expect, the passion expressed in every post is undeniable.
:rose: For Maria and Gabrielle :rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by alter ego

But a tiger cannot change his stripes ;)

and some lies are simply unforgivable. [/*]

Which lies are you referencing AE? :confused:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right, Cardinal, that is why we have varying degrees when it comes to homicides. They are not all the same........they are not all done by psychopaths devoid of feelings. Sometime that is the problem......there is way too much emotions causing the person to react in a manner they normally wouldn't.

Now he must pay if it is proven BARD that he did this but still it doesn't make him a stone cold killer. His jury will decide if it is a lessor degree of 2nd degree caused by a crime of passion. Just because he is charged with the top charge doesn't mean his jury will see it the same. We will have to wait and see.

Great to see you, btw!:seeya:

imoo [/*]

Great to see you too! :) I'll second those kudos to the posters who kept this board going. I got so busy at work, I gave up on trying to keep up.

And too, I got to the point that only CL's capture was going to provide the answers to put the questions to rest. Now, I truly hope that happens. Especially for Maria's family.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Gee, should somebody start a prayer thread for laurean and post a rose? There are many victims in this tragedy and cesar laurean, imo, is not one of them. He is a cold blooded murderer, imo. :cuss: [/*]ITA. The burning of the bodies is beyond the pale. barf

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


Perhaps if you say that he is an animal and should be boiled in a pot or hung on the town square without a trial, that is better.

GB, don't sweat it.

For those people who do not understand human beings and who only see things in black/white terms, either angel/victim or monster/animal, there is no nuance. [/*]

No kidding, I've even seen wishes for sexual violation and been barf . It's a skeery world out there IMO. :eek:

[hinman]

Originally posted by wandering
Yes, I think he might play "Let's make a deal."

He's probably glad to get arrested, and get three squares a day. Life on the run alone doesn't seem like a good way to live. [/*]I wish he would of jsut turned himself in then instead of hiding for 3 months.

[wandering]

Originally posted by daniel green


Perhaps if you say that he is an animal and should be boiled in a pot or hung on the town square without a trial, that is better.

GB, don't sweat it.

For those people who do not understand human beings and who only see things in black/white terms, either angel/victim or monster/animal, there is no nuance. [/*]GMAB. I could understand a murder in the heat of passion, but burning them in such a heinous way?

No sympathy from me. hammer

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think you know there are some who are unable to look at a case and see the truth or allow themselves to feel any compassion other than for a woman or child. It's simply not tolerated.

It's a shame, as a closed mind gathers no intelligence from my POV.

JMO :( [/*]

I take my que from Dewey Hudson, who so wanted to catch this murderer within our borders so he could seek the death penalty. Men who murder pregnant women deserve no pity, imo.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think you know there are some who are unable to look at a case and see the truth or allow themselves to feel any compassion other than for a woman or child. It's simply not tolerated.

It's a shame, as a closed mind gathers no intelligence from my POV.

JMO :( [/*]

Well said, CK. And as daniel green pointed out, it's a shame when people ignore nuance in favor and black/white.

JMO

[JanDoe]

Christina Laurean fully cooperated with investigators, he said, "and got us to the point where we are today."

Here LE is giving credit to Christina for the info leading to the
capture of Cesar.

As far as I am concerned.....the Mexican LE are playing their role
up as if they just stumbled upon him, I don't believe that for a
minute. LEs found him by the computer trace and had to rely on
the Mexican LE to arrest him.

I'm sure the US LE doesn't care how the Mexican LE sells it to
the public.......they got their man into custody.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


Wonder what the body language experts would have to say.

By no means forgetting Maria or Baby Gabriel and all the families involved in this murder. :rose:

Twists and Turns to say the least. So Sad for all involved.
Would love a pic of Christina for certain. [/*]

Now there is a pic I'm dying to see, Christina.
Surely they can't keep her under wraps forever.

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think you know there are some who are unable to look at a case and see the truth or allow themselves to feel any compassion other than for a woman or child. It's simply not tolerated.

It's a shame, as a closed mind gathers no intelligence from my POV.

JMO :( [/*]

:eek:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by JanDoe
snipped

As far as I am concerned.....the Mexican LE are playing their role
up as if they just stumbled upon him, I don't believe that for a
minute. . [/*]

Playing their role?

To what end and for what purpose?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
I wish he would of jsut turned himself in then instead of hiding for 3 months. [/*]

Don't we all hinman. I wish Christina would have had the integrity to call immediately and save the taxpayers and the families money and pain and heartache, but she didn't.

I can only think of one reason a woman wouldn't do that immediately. Especially knowing LE had been sniffing around and was closing in anyway. It would have probably taken a call and thirty minutes from LE IMO.

jmo:(

[hinman]

Originally posted by wandering
GMAB. I could understand a murder in the heat of passion, but burning them in such a heinous way?

No sympathy from me. hammer [/*]Me neither and then running for 3 months. He will not get any sympathy from me and I am sorry but I do not think there is any good in him. He is pure evil.

No good person burns the bodies of a pregnant women and her unborn baby and then has a bonfire with friends over on Christmas eve over her body..

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green


Playing their role?

To what end and for what purpose? [/*]

their role was to arrest him...isn't that what they agreed to do?
or at least that was how I understood their role to be in the process.

and the purpose of their role was to arrest him and send him back to the US, wasn't it?

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Don't we all hinman. I wish Christina would have had the integrity to call immediately and save the taxpayers and the families money and pain and heartache, but she didn't.

I can only think of one reason a woman wouldn't do that immediately. Especially knowing LE had been sniffing around and was closing in anyway. It would have probably taken a call and thirty minutes from LE IMO.

jmo:( [/*]I agree. This is the second time in my eyes that she let this man get away. She is no better.

She obviously has no sympathy for Maria and her unborn baby the baby that could possibly be her daughters step brother.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


:eek: [/*]

And an open mouth will gather flies, muddy feathers will weigh you down and all that. JMO.

:cool:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


No kidding, I've even seen wishes for sexual violation and been barf . It's a skeery world out there IMO. :eek: [/*]

Now that I have never understood and will never understand.

People who claim to be supporting rape survivors and then wishing for a jail rape.

Makes no sense. Sickening, actually.

Or hoping to have a suspect tuned up by police.

Why would anyone want anyone to be assaulted or raped?

[n/t]

If it wasn't so sad, I'd be laughing. I honestly can't believe that some are discussing how a murderer should look. It almost sounds like some are feeling sorry for him. Maybe Scott Peterson didn't look like one either but guess what, he murdered his wife and baby!


Carry on.....

:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by sherryhefner




The US LE said it themselves....he was stopped at a random check point and gave them his real name. They didn't recognize the name....the hanging point was that he spoke English and that was suspicious. When they called it in, he was identified. [/*]

it must be part of some large conspiracy, I guess.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


I take my que from Dewey Hudson, who so wanted to catch this murderer within our borders so he could seek the death penalty. Men who murder pregnant women deserve no pity, imo. [/*]

Men and women who are proven to have murdered period deserve no pity. Hudson wishes the DP was still on the table and I can understand that but in the same interview states that CAL is innocent till proven guilty. We'll have to wait for the whole story to come out from all involved.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
How would we feel about a wife, who in the heat of passion, struck and killed her husband's lover? [/*]

Honestly, sherry, I think most of the posters on this board would be supporting her and justifying it.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a chance to find out.

JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by wandering
GMAB. I could understand a murder in the heat of passion, but burning them in such a heinous way?

No sympathy from me. hammer [/*]

I am not suggesting you should feel sympathy for him.

But, if he murdered her in the heat of passion, and she was dead, isn't any method of hiding the body just as heinous as another?

Seriously, not being snarky, why would the burning of the body affect whether or not it's 2d degree murder if CL, in fact, murdered ML and is found guilty?

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


Now that I have never understood and will never understand.

People who claim to be supporting rape survivors and then wishing for a jail rape.

Makes no sense. Sickening, actually.

Or hoping to have a suspect tuned up by police.

Why would anyone want anyone to be assaulted or raped? [/*]

Who are you talking about?:shrug:

[hinman]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Honestly, sherry, I think most of the posters on this board would be supporting her and justifying it.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a chance to find out.

JMO [/*]I see it being turned around on the women who was killed for some reason.

There would be people blaming on her and people who didn't blame the murder victim.

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green


it must be part of some large conspiracy, I guess. [/*]

Of course.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Honestly, sherry, I think most of the posters on this board would be supporting her and justifying it.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a chance to find out.

JMO [/*]

Honestly, I totally believe that.

And what a :eek: that is for me.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green


it must be part of some large conspiracy, I guess. [/*]

you have your theories and others have theirs.......you don't have to agree.

[hinman]

Originally posted by daniel green


I am not suggesting you should feel sympathy for him.

But, if he murdered her in the heat of passion, and she was dead, isn't any method of hiding the body just as heinous as another?

Seriously, not being snarky, why would the burning of the body affect whether or not it's 2d degree murder if CL, in fact, murdered ML and is found guilty? [/*] I think it is a little disturbing, to me more disturbing then just burying the body and to that the fact that he had several bonfires over the body.

It is a little different to me.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by hinman
I see it being turned around on the women who was killed for some reason.

There would be people blaming on her and people who didn't blame the murder victim. [/*]

You're right, hinman. The dynamics get a lot more interesting when it's same-gender, don't they?

JMO

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


Men and women who are proven to have murdered period deserve no pity. Hudson wishes the DP was still on the table and I can understand that but in the same interview states that CAL is innocent till proven guilty. We'll have to wait for the whole story to come out from all involved. [/*]

Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courtroom and not on message boards.

HE'S GUILTY. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I agree. This is the second time in my eyes that she let this man get away. She is no better.

She obviously has no sympathy for Maria and her unborn baby the baby that could possibly be her daughters step brother. [/*]

It seems she is too busy fuming about him cheating on her.

Cheating with the same woman he has now told the world that he loved.

imo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by n/t
I honestly can't believe that some are discussing how a murderer should look. snipped [/*]

Where is that discussion, pls? I've missed it.

TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Well said, CK. And as daniel green pointed out, it's a shame when people ignore nuance in favor and black/white.

JMO [/*]

Thanks Cardinal. It is a shame IMO and the idea that compassion is only for those deserving is lost on me. JMO tho.

These were kids in my eyes and so much was lost individually, collectively and within their families and friends IMO.

:(

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD81


Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courtroom and not on message boards.

HE'S GUILTY. jmo [/*]

But guilty of what? That's the question I'd like answered.

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


it must be part of some large conspiracy, I guess. [/*]

:D

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courtroom and not on message boards.

HE'S GUILTY. jmo [/*]

Okaaay......no need for the rudeness though.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by hinman
I think it is a little disturbing, to me more disturbing then just burying the body and to that the fact that he had several bonfires over the body.

It is a little different to me. [/*]

I agree that it is a lot disturbing.

But I don't see how it makes it any less of a 2d degree case.

As to the several bonfires, that is just rumor at its goriest. I doubt that happened.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But guilty of what? That's the question I'd like answered. [/*]

you aren't serious?

[JD81]

Originally posted by Cardinal


But guilty of what? That's the question I'd like answered. [/*]

What he is charged with.:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JD81


Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courtroom and not on message boards.

HE'S GUILTY. jmo [/*]

Right and in the real world it doesn't mean a thing expect an opinion. That is where the rubber meets the road.......in the courtroom where it really counts.

IMO I don't know if he is innocent or guilty.......that is why they have trials in our country. If the evidence is there then so be it and if it is not there BARD then it is not.

imoo

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by hinman
I think it is a little disturbing, to me more disturbing then just burying the body and to that the fact that he had several bonfires over the body.

It is a little different to me. [/*]

Hi, hinman. I'm coming in on the tail end of a discussion, but I agree with you. The disposal of murder victims as if they were trash always bothers me, but this one particularly so. :(

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


you aren't serious? [/*]

I'm quite serious.

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


Okaaay......no need for the rudeness though. [/*]

:confused:

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Thanks Cardinal. It is a shame IMO and the idea that compassion is only for those deserving is lost on me. JMO tho.

These were kids in my eyes and so much was lost individually, collectively and within their families and friends IMO.

:( [/*]See Candy I don't think Ceaser was a kid a young adult yes but not a kid. I do feel compassion for his family but not him. I do agree it is ashame that he made this decision in his life but I am sorry, at his age he knows killing is wrong and even if it was a crime of passion well he should have dealt with his anger differntly.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm quite serious. [/*]

the poster believes he is guilty of murder.....duh

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Hi, hinman. I'm coming in on the tail end of a discussion, but I agree with you. The disposal of murder victims as if they were trash always bothers me, but this one particularly so. :( [/*]

And there is no doubt that the burning just seems so horrible. That there is some visceral reaction we have to that.

But factually speaking, really, not being snarky, it is not any worse than any other disposal.

The murder itself is what is horrible.

[hinman]

Originally posted by daniel green


I agree that it is a lot disturbing.

But I don't see how it makes it any less of a 2d degree case.

As to the several bonfires, that is just rumor at its goriest. I doubt that happened. [/*]It don't. It does not make it any less of a second degree case.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


I agree that it is a lot disturbing.

But I don't see how it makes it any less of a 2d degree case.

As to the several bonfires, that is just rumor at its goriest. I doubt that happened. [/*]

It is but imo the jury cant even consider that because he has not been charged with desecrating the bodies like was done in the Bobby Cutts case and the one airing on TruTV now.

imoo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


the poster believes he is guilty of murder.....duh [/*]

I realize that. And the "duh" is unnecessary.

I am just not as convinced as the poster you referenced.

[n/t]

Originally posted by daniel green


Where is that discussion, pls? I've missed it.

TIA [/*]

Why did you snip my post? I made reference to what was being discussed. If you missed my point there's nothing I can do about it. Some never get it. You fall in that category from what I've read so far. Sorry, can't help you.

But here's a rose for trying. :rose:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green


I agree that it is a lot disturbing.

But I don't see how it makes it any less of a 2d degree case.

As to the several bonfires, that is just rumor at its goriest. I doubt that happened. [/*]

it happening must be part of that conspiracy you talk about

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is but imo the jury cant even consider that because he has not been charged with desecrating the bodies like was done in the Bobby Cutts case and the one airing on TruTV now.

imoo [/*]You know that just irritates me. I wonder why they did not charge him with that.

I guess they do not believe he desecrated her body on purpose.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


Men and women who are proven to have murdered period deserve no pity. Hudson wishes the DP was still on the table and I can understand that but in the same interview states that CAL is innocent till proven guilty. We'll have to wait for the whole story to come out from all involved. [/*]

Why yes we will Strick, and I am not dropping the idea that Christina was much deeper in this horrible tragedy. Time will tell, and I have no reason to dismiss it at this time.

JMO. :shrug:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Of course not GentleBreeze, express away and of course I reserve the right to also post my opinion, which I did.

As for his guilt, I can also express an opinion of that too, which I did. BARD is for the courtroom. [/*]

I think that Maria's mom is trying very hard to forgive Cesar. I admire her for that. He looked alone, tired and vulnerable when arrested. But don't forget that he coldly buried Maria in a pit in his own yard and then went right on with his life. IMO

If someone wants to feel sorry for him, that's fine, but it doesn't lessen what he did to Maria, Gabriel, Maria's family, his own family, Ctina's family, and the Marine Corps. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Honestly, sherry, I think most of the posters on this board would be supporting her and justifying it.

Who knows, maybe we'll have a chance to find out.

JMO [/*]

Oh you get that impression too?;)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is but imo the jury cant even consider that because he has not been charged with desecrating the bodies like was done in the Bobby Cutts case and the one airing on TruTV now.

imoo [/*]

Yep.

If a murderer puts his/her victim in a lovely grave, does that make the murder any more palatable?

Speaking of the Cutts case, I saw the victim's mother speak out at sentencing and forgieve him and say she hoped he would be out of prison some time so he could be a father to her grandson. That was a moment of absolute humanity and grace.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits


I think that Maria's mom is trying very hard to forgive Cesar. I admire her for that. He looked alone, tired and vulnerable when arrested. But don't forget that he coldly buried Maria in a pit in his own yard and then went right on with his life. IMO

If someone wants to feel sorry for him, that's fine, but it doesn't lessen what he did to Maria, Gabriel, Maria's family, his own family, Ctina's family, and the Marine Corps. IMO [/*]

Allegedly.

[hinman]

Originally posted by bkwits


I think that Maria's mom is trying very hard to forgive Cesar. I admire her for that. He looked alone, tired and vulnerable when arrested. But don't forget that he coldly buried Maria in a pit in his own yard and then went right on with his life. IMO

If someone wants to feel sorry for him, that's fine, but it doesn't lessen what he did to Maria, Gabriel, Maria's family, his own family, Ctina's family, and the Marine Corps. IMO [/*] Good post bk. My thoughts exactly.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
You know that just irritates me. I wonder why they did not charge him with that.

I guess they do not believe he desecrated her body on purpose. [/*]

Yes, that is what CS said......that they believe he only meant to disguise where he had buried her.

The outcome was horrible but they have to have evidence to prove intent. Evidently DA Hudson doesn't think they have it. That shows me no accelerant was found on the clothing or body.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It seems she is too busy fuming about him cheating on her.

Cheating with the same woman he has now told the world that he loved.

imo [/*]

True that is GB. :(

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh you get that impression too?;) [/*]

I definitely did. :)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by n/t


Why did you snip my post? I made reference to what was being discussed. If you missed my point there's nothing I can do about it. Some never get it. You fall in that category from what I've read so far. Sorry, can't help you.

But here's a rose for trying. :rose: [/*]

Na thanks on the rose.

I did not miss your point.

However, you stated that you couldn't believe that ppl were discussing what a murderer should look like. And that never happened here.

Try to respond to the post, not the poster! :)

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits


I think that Maria's mom is trying very hard to forgive Cesar. I admire her for that. He looked alone, tired and vulnerable when arrested. But don't forget that he coldly buried Maria in a pit in his own yard and then went right on with his life. IMO

If someone wants to feel sorry for him, that's fine, but it doesn't lessen what he did to Maria, Gabriel, Maria's family, his own family, Ctina's family, and the Marine Corps. IMO [/*]

Now this post btwits is a post that "ITA" with. Everyone has an opinion and that's fine to post them but what he did shouldn't be lessened.

[JD81]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is but imo the jury cant even consider that because he has not been charged with desecrating the bodies like was done in the Bobby Cutts case and the one airing on TruTV now.

imoo [/*]

Oh, I think they can. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JanDoe


you aren't serious? [/*]

We weren't in the home on December 14th, so how would we know?:confused:

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
How would we feel about a wife, who in the heat of passion, struck and killed her husband's lover? [/*]

I would think 2nd degree murder.

And, I'm pretty well convinced that is what happened here and I think this she should be charged.

(Actually I thought they were lovers until she filed sexual assault charges. I was SHOCKED when he said, yesterday, he loved her.)

[JD81]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
ok DD just left, so is there a link to the presser that was at 2?
I am dying to know........ [/*]

Christina is innocent. YaHooooooooooo

jmo

[hinman]

Be back going to eat.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, that is what CS said......that they believe he only meant to disguise where he had buried her.

The outcome was horrible but they have to have evidence to prove intent. Evidently DA Hudson doesn't think they have it. That shows me no accelerant was found on the clothing or body.

imoo [/*]

So just imagine all it would take for him to feel comfortable charging Christina for any role in this tragedy?

Right now, they have compelling circumstantial evidence to tie Cesar in with the admitting to burying the body in the note, but that could all change when he hits NC. JMOOC. :shrug:

[henry]

Originally posted by bkwits


I think that Maria's mom is trying very hard to forgive Cesar. I admire her for that. He looked alone, tired and vulnerable when arrested. But don't forget that he coldly buried Maria in a pit in his own yard and then went right on with his life. IMO

If someone wants to feel sorry for him, that's fine, but it doesn't lessen what he did to Maria, Gabriel, Maria's family, his own family, Ctina's family, and the Marine Corps. IMO [/*]

a most honest, heartfelt statement that ITA with

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


Oh, I think they can. jmo [/*]

Do you have an example of that, or is it more of your wishful thinking?:D

IN NORTH CAROLINA OF COURSE????

JMO

[strick10]

I'm out. Getting a bit crazy and in some cases snippy. Y'all enjoy your evenings. :seeya:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


So just imagine all it would take for him to feel comfortable charging Christina for any role in this tragedy?

Right now, they have compelling circumstantial evidence to tie Cesar in with the admitting to burying the body in the note, but that could all change when he hits NC. JMOOC. :shrug: [/*]

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cesar decided to talk.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm out. Getting a bit crazy and in some cases snippy. Y'all enjoy your evenings. :seeya: [/*]

Bye, strick. Have a good one. :seeya:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


We weren't in the home on December 14th, so how would we know?:confused: [/*]

it was a question of what the poster "thought" he was guilty of..
why can't you understand that........I did.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Cesar decided to talk. [/*]Me neither. I would be so happy.

[n/t]

Originally posted by daniel green


Na thanks on the rose.

I did not miss your point.

However, you stated that you couldn't believe that ppl were discussing what a murderer should look like. And that never happened here.

Try to respond to the post, not the poster! :) [/*]

OK so why ask me if you got it. Good grief. Don't waste my time. I'm busy catching up. :punch:

[JD81]

I just noticed something. He told LE he slept in fields and ate fruit. Already lied.

He slept in a cabin and had food on shelves.

What a loser! And no, I don't think he was skinny.

jmo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
ok DD just left, so is there a link to the presser that was at 2?
I am dying to know........ [/*]

Authorities Discuss Fugitive Marine's Capture (22:36)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2723216/

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I doubt that, IMO. [/*]

:biggrin: Hi, AB!

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by hinman
You know that just irritates me. I wonder why they did not charge him with that.

I guess they do not believe he desecrated her body on purpose. [/*]

It has been stated time and again that there may still be new charges, imo that is one that may be added.

:seeya:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by JD81
I just noticed something. He told LE he slept in fields and ate fruit. Already lied.

He slept in a cabin and had food on shelves.

What a loser! And no, I don't think he was skinny.

jmo [/*]

I agree with you and believe he was being helped in small degree.
I wonder who the older woman was that was visiting him?

[JD81]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I doubt that, IMO. [/*]

Watch the press conference. She is innocent. jmo

[JD81]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


It has been stated time and again that there may still be new charges, imo that is one that may be added.

:seeya: [/*]

Yep, everyone thinks charges may be brought against Christina when all along it will probably be Cesar. lol jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Authorities Discuss Fugitive Marine's Capture (22:36)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2723216/ [/*]
Thanks for the links!

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by JD81


Christina is innocent. YaHooooooooooo

jmo [/*]

LOL, notice how cesar is innocent and has to have his day in court, but not Christina? Have a good night JD, see ya
tomorrow. :tongue:

[JD81]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I agree with you and believe he was being helped in small degree.
I wonder who the older woman was that was visiting him? [/*]


The elderly woman who lived by him? She just said she spoke to him in passing. jmo

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right and in the real world it doesn't mean a thing expect an opinion. That is where the rubber meets the road.......in the courtroom where it really counts.

IMO I don't know if he is innocent or guilty.......that is why they have trials in our country. If the evidence is there then so be it and if it is not there BARD then it is not.

imoo [/*] ITA GB hope you or feeling better today. I think cl is a very cute boy. boy i guess i will get torn apart fot that statement. so glad he is caught tho maybe we will know the truth once the trial starts. Ml and her baby or still in my prayers.:rose:

[JD81]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


LOL, notice how cesar is innocent and has to have his day in court, but not Christina? Have a good night JD, see ya
tomorrow. :tongue: [/*]

:seeya:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by JD81



The elderly woman who lived by him? She just said she spoke to him in passing. jmo [/*]

could be....but it read like he had someone coming to the cabin
from time to time......

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


LOL, notice how cesar is innocent and has to have his day in court, but not Christina? Have a good night JD, see ya
tomorrow. :tongue: [/*]

On the contrary, I'd be delighted for Christina to have her day in court. :D

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


On the contrary, I'd be delighted for Christina to have her day in court. :D [/*]

but Perry Mason is gone.

[JD81]

Originally posted by Cardinal


On the contrary, I'd be delighted for Christina to have her day in court. :D [/*]


Why, she is already guilty here.:D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


but Perry Mason is gone. [/*]

:confused:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JD81



Why, she is already guilty here.:D [/*]

So is Cesar. Your point?

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


:confused: [/*]

ok....he's the only one I know of who could get a person to admit
to a crime when the LE couldn't or didn't have the evidence....

What a shame he won't get his chance with Christina.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


an all-avocado diet would be fattening, no?
I want to know what avocado grove has internet access.... [/*]

Keep reading Annie, really....:read:

Lynne has many links up there in the links thread. He went to an internet cafe. JMO They communicated via myspace and Christina has barf integrity.....NMO.

:shrug:

[henry]

:seeya: AB . . . i'm also trying to catch up . . . has there been anything released by NCIS yet? :patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


So is Cesar. Your point? [/*]

Oh yeah, we can't forget he is even guilty of things he was not CHARGED WITH......Now that is mind boggling.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


ok....he's the only one I know of who could get a person to admit
to a crime when the LE couldn't or didn't have the evidence....

What a shame he won't get his chance with Christina. [/*]

I don't know what evidence LE has. Do you?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe
Christina Laurean fully cooperated with investigators, he said, "and got us to the point where we are today."

Here LE is giving credit to Christina for the info leading to the
capture of Cesar.

As far as I am concerned.....the Mexican LE are playing their role
up as if they just stumbled upon him, I don't believe that for a
minute. LEs found him by the computer trace and had to rely on
the Mexican LE to arrest him.

I'm sure the US LE doesn't care how the Mexican LE sells it to
the public.......they got their man into custody. [/*]

Of course CSL got them to where they are today. She was the one communicating with him via email incognito and the SW verified that and I am sure they traced back where he was emailing from....so that gave them the general area.

So she was instrumental in getting her husband caught even though I don't think for one minute that was her plan as she communicated with him or wrote in her now confiscated diaries and confiscated letters she had addressed to him.

I wonder how she feels knowing she was a part of taking him down? IMO she is devastated that he is caught because like DA Hudson said she is still very much in love with her husband.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know what evidence LE has. Do you? [/*]

NOT ENOUGH to charge her

[Jan Powell]

I didn't get to watch the PC but I read the links posted but didn't see this. Was this reported at the PC too? Thanks

HARRIS WHITBECK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Don.

Prosecutors here say that they are confident that Cesar Laurean will be here in North Carolina sooner rather than later. They have told CNN that Laurean has waived his right to contest the extradition that would take place in Mexico and that he would actually be here rather quickly.

(If this happens, I want my crow boneless and well done please.)

Edited to add link.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/cnr.04.html

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Of course CSL got them to where they are today. She was the one communicating with him via email incognito and the SW verified that and I am sure they traced back where he was emailing from....so that gave them the general area.

So she was instrumental in getting her husband caught even though I don't think for one minute that was her plan as she communicated with him or wrote in her now confiscated diaries and confiscated letters she had addressed to him.

I wonder how she feels knowing she was a part of taking him down? IMO she is devastated that he is caught because like DA Hudson said she is still very much in love with her husband.

imoo [/*]

Her husband who loved Maria.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I totally agree...the sooner the better, before SHE hops a bus....jmo [/*]

I bet she was looking forward to seeing him again when he went to LV.

Too bad that got spoiled when the FBI did the raid on her sister's residence.

imoo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


NOT ENOUGH to charge her [/*]

That's faulty logic, imo. Just because they haven't charged her doesn't mean they lack evidence.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Her husband who loved Maria. [/*]

Yep and he didnt say one word about his wife or we would have heard it. He only stated he loved Maria.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Of course CSL got them to where they are today. She was the one communicating with him via email incognito and the SW verified that and I am sure they traced back where he was emailing from....so that gave them the general area.

So she was instrumental in getting her husband caught even though I don't think for one minute that was her plan as she communicated with him or wrote in her now confiscated diaries and confiscated letters she had addressed to him.

I wonder how she feels knowing she was a part of taking him down? IMO she is devastated that he is caught because like DA Hudson said she is still very much in love with her husband.

imoo [/*]

well GB you forgot the first part of fully cooperating...which means
she was working with them and no where does it say that she
was doing this behind LE's back.

[baywench]

Originally posted by JD81


Christina is innocent. YaHooooooooooo

jmo [/*]

You better keep reading then AB if you want to know what happened at the press conference. JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yep and he didnt say one word about his wife or we would have heard it. He only stated he loved Maria.

imoo [/*]

That actually makes me feel sorry for Christina, GB. How that must rankle.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That's faulty logic, imo. Just because they haven't charged her doesn't mean they lack evidence.

JMO [/*]

that is your opinion on the faulty logic.....
you asked me what evidence they have and I don't know
what evidence they have and neither do you or anyone
else here.

[n/t]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yep and he didnt say one word about his wife or we would have heard it. He only stated he loved Maria.

imoo [/*]

Well don't you think that's kinda odd? Not mentioning his wife? But even more so not mentioning his daughter? His daughter who he hasn't seen in months but he makes it a point to say he loves Maria.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh yeah, we can't forget he is even guilty of things he was not CHARGED WITH......Now that is mind boggling.

JMO [/*]

Isn't it?

Some have him guilty of kidnapping yet no charge of kidnapping.

Some have him guilty of desecrating the body yet no charge of desecrating the body.

Hey, they did stack the misdemeanor charge on him though for the attempted withdrawal from the ATM after her death.

:shrug:

imoo

[baywench]

I read here that they were communicating on Friday. I was just thinking, if that were true and they tracked him wouldn't she have to be cooperating to some degree (which ruins my whole theory on her) as the computer was already confiscated??? JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JanDoe


that is your opinion on the faulty logic.....
you asked me what evidence they have and I don't know
what evidence they have and neither do you or anyone
else here. [/*]

Whatever :seeya:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by baywench
I read here that they were communicating on Friday. I was just thinking, if that were true and they tracked him wouldn't she have to be cooperating to some degree (which ruins my whole theory on her) as the computer was already confiscated??? JMO [/*]

when you're right you're right

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by baywench
I read here that they were communicating on Friday. I was just thinking, if that were true and they tracked him wouldn't she have to be cooperating to some degree (which ruins my whole theory on her) as the computer was already confiscated??? JMO [/*]

Didn't someone speculate earlier that LE could have been impersonating Christina on the recent communications?

ETA: Which begs the question: if Christina were cooperating so fully, why was there a "raid" and the seizure of her computer?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JanDoe


that is your opinion on the faulty logic.....
you asked me what evidence they have and I don't know
what evidence they have and neither do you or anyone
else here. [/*]

AND certainly none of us know if she is being spared right now due to a deal and if it is in peril if they find something indicating she has broken it IMO. :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by n/t


Well don't you think that's kinda odd? Not mentioning his wife? But even more so not mentioning his daughter? His daughter who he hasn't seen in months but he makes it a point to say he loves Maria. [/*]

I think he is making a statement that he knows CSL will hear. It seems he is not going to deny that he did love Maria.

I am sure in his various emails he mentioned his little daughter often. We will have to wait and see their contents if they are ever known.

imoo

[wandering]

Geeze oh Pete. Not content with the facts.

What a crew. :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I agree, GB. It isn't necessary for someone to be unredeemably evil for them to commit an unforgivable crime.

JMO [/*]

This should be etched in stone lest people forget! IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know what evidence LE has. Do you? [/*]

Given that LE said no RAID but there WAS ONE and WE KNOW that now, I don't dismiss just how much evidence they may or may not have period.

I don't think they're being fully honest with the public IMO. I believe that's their perogative, but the press will still keep digging IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Didn't someone speculate earlier that LE could have been impersonating Christina on the recent communications?

ETA: Which begs the question: if Christina were cooperating so fully, why was there a "raid" and the seizure of her computer? [/*]

Don't forget her diary too....surely she would have ponied that up whilst being the cooperative witness right???;)

JMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


This should be etched in stone lest people forget! IMO. [/*]Oh please. I don't need to be told how to think.

Not carved in stone, imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Isn't it?

Some have him guilty of kidnapping yet no charge of kidnapping.

Some have him guilty of desecrating the body yet no charge of desecrating the body.

Hey, they did stack the misdemeanor charge on him though for the attempted withdrawal from the ATM after her death.

:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Also, some just waive the need for charges on rape and give that one away IMO.

I don't understand it, but there must be some reason.

JMO :patriot:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Don't we all hinman. I wish Christina would have had the integrity to call immediately and save the taxpayers and the families money and pain and heartache, but she didn't.

I can only think of one reason a woman wouldn't do that immediately. Especially knowing LE had been sniffing around and was closing in anyway. It would have probably taken a call and thirty minutes from LE IMO.

jmo:( [/*]

Only one reason? I can think of many.

[JD81]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


This should be etched in stone lest people forget! IMO. [/*]

I'm getting a good laugh reading this.D

[henry]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
I didn't get to watch the PC but I read the links posted but didn't see this. Was this reported at the PC too? Thanks

HARRIS WHITBECK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Don.

Prosecutors here say that they are confident that Cesar Laurean will be here in North Carolina sooner rather than later. They have told CNN that Laurean has waived his right to contest the extradition that would take place in Mexico and that he would actually be here rather quickly.

(If this happens, I want my crow boneless and well done please.)

Edited to add link.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/cnr.04.html [/*]

best news i've heard yet . . . not the part about eating crow :)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


I am not suggesting you should feel sympathy for him.

But, if he murdered her in the heat of passion, and she was dead, isn't any method of hiding the body just as heinous as another?

Seriously, not being snarky, why would the burning of the body affect whether or not it's 2d degree murder if CL, in fact, murdered ML and is found guilty? [/*]

We think alike on this one.

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by JD81


Yep, everyone thinks charges may be brought against Christina when all along it will probably be Cesar. lol jmo [/*]

The GJ already indicted CL for Murder, Kidnapping, I forgot the rest. Other charges, IMO will be those who aided and abetted CL in hiding. Sheriff Brown made mention of translators who will be made available to CL family. I am leaning toward family who may have helped him in MX. or his brother in NC with regard to driving his vehicle into Raleigh. He also reportedly has been to LV to see his family or had contact. RS at presser said CL was in contact with his LV family and trying to contact others which I took were in NC. Perhaps army buddys or CSL. I don't think they are releasing alot of info due to possible trial, all up to DA to press any additional charges. Also RS stated with regard to specific question as to CL capture and the technique, questions should be addressed to the FBI and NCIS. SO Laureans a done deal, other charges to be determined based on forensic computer peeps.

JMO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Only one reason? I can think of many. [/*]

maybe Wanda is really Christina....that would explain alot.

[VC2]

does anyone have the link for the board that RS posts on? he mentioned something about trying to return to it and answer more questions this evening (when he told ppl they would learn more bout christina during the pc and more answers)

btw as far as feeling some sympathy, i actually almost always do. (even a john couey, i end up thinking of them when they were sweet little babies and toddlers wanting to grow up and be firemen or baseball players and what in life twisted them so much). For the more "ordinary" murderers i actually have a lot of sympathy. Studies have shown that they have the lowest recidivism rate - most countries don't even use LWOP much let alone capital punishment. Generally they occur when a tragic set of circumstances all combine in the perfect storm, ones that won't ever combine again. In other words, good people who go terribly bad for a short time. Don't get me wrong i think there are people who need LWOP but to many others are taking up room in prisons when releasing them after 10 or 20 years would not be a danger to society. Most canadian murders get 15 to 25 years. The worst of the worst get life. Nothing brings back a victim, but it does not mean the perpetrator is evil or will kill again.

I rarely if ever take what they do afterwards to a body as something that shows some sort of evil, even though when discussing it i might call it that. Few of us can imagine the panic and shock that goes through someone's mind when they suddenly have a dead body on their hands. Most want to get it away and hidden as fast as possible and all signs of it which leads to some ummm creativity?

I have more sympathy for the victims, their families and the perps though. Probably why i completely understand christina still loving cesar. She knows him as a good husband and father who would never do what he did (in normal circumstances).

When it comes to murder, their acts are evil but they may not be.

jmo

[jessie]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yep and he didnt say one word about his wife or we would have heard it. He only stated he loved Maria.

imoo [/*] wow, if thats his way of showing love, I certainly would not want to be on the other end of his wrath.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by jessie
wow, if thats his way of showing love, I certainly would not want to be on the other end of his wrath. [/*]

or his love.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yep.

If a murderer puts his/her victim in a lovely grave, does that make the murder any more palatable?

Speaking of the Cutts case, I saw the victim's mother speak out at sentencing and forgieve him and say she hoped he would be out of prison some time so he could be a father to her grandson. That was a moment of absolute humanity and grace. [/*]

Oh boy that was a victim statement to remember. I had tears rolling down my face. What a woman....."full of grace." Just thinking about her that day and the things she said gives me goosebumps.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by hinman
You know that just irritates me. I wonder why they did not charge him with that.

I guess they do not believe he desecrated her body on purpose. [/*]

I'm a couple of pages behind here...but, does anyone know what would be the legal stipulations of desecration of a body? I know that I think that any body that isn't legally interred, buried or cremated by normal means with some dignity counts for me. But, I was wondering if there is a legal description of desecration???
TIA if anyone knows.

[n/t]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think he is making a statement that he knows CSL will hear. It seems he is not going to deny that he did love Maria.

I am sure in his various emails he mentioned his little daughter often. We will have to wait and see their contents if they are ever known.

imoo [/*]

Or maybe he's making a statement that he had planned in case he was captured. Do you honestly believe he didn't have the time to think up what he would say? Why believe a cold blooded murderer, coward and fugitive who's been on the run for months?

I guess I must've been gone too long because I'm stunned by the reaction by some here.

The day Cesar Laurean is finally captured and Maria and baby Gabriel finally closer to getting justice has turned out to be a feel sorry for Cesar and Christine day. That's the impression I'm getting from reading the posts.

Who gives a darn what he looked like? What did posters expect him to look like? He was on the run and hiding from Law Enforcement for God's sakes! Did posters think he'd show up in a suit and tie?

This is absurd.

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Don't forget her diary too....surely she would have ponied that up whilst being the cooperative witness right???;)

JMO [/*]


Thanks CK....I almost thought I had faulty logic. That would have ruined my status as amatuer detective in my head:cool:

[henry]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That actually makes me feel sorry for Christina, GB. How that must rankle. [/*]

actually donna said it better earlier this morning . . . international humiliation . . . iirc, imo, etc.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Jan Powell


I would think 2nd degree murder.

And, I'm pretty well convinced that is what happened here and I think this she should be charged.

(Actually I thought they were lovers until she filed sexual assault charges. I was SHOCKED when he said, yesterday, he loved her.) [/*]

You're convinced? Even though everything we heard today in the PC indicates otherwise?

I guess this is what I'm just not getting....and not only from you, sorry, I just picked this one post out to respond to.

I listened to that PC today and I got that they are pretty well convinced Christina had nothing at all to do with the murder. Or anything else relating to the murder.

Sure, nothing is ruled out, but I certainly think by now they have their ducks in a row. And no, I don't think anything Cesar says is going to be a bombshell about Christina.

:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I'm a couple of pages behind here...but, does anyone know what would be the legal stipulations of desecration of a body? I know that I think that any body that isn't legally interred, buried or cremated by normal means with some dignity counts for me. But, I was wondering if there is a legal description of desecration???
TIA if anyone knows. [/*]

They must have evidence to prove INTENT, O'gal...

Imo they don't have it.

imoo

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by VC2

(SNIPPED)

does anyone have the link for the board that RS posts on? he mentioned something about trying to return to it and answer more questions this evening (when he told ppl they would learn more bout christina during the pc and more answers)

jmo [/*]

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/

ETA ~ Rick Sutherland's comment:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=32#comment-171

[JD81]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


They must have evidence to prove INTENT, O'gal...

Imo they don't have it.

imoo [/*]


It will be covered in the murder charge. They will have to explain to the jury what he did with the body. Everything will be told to the jury along with pictures. jmo

It does NOT need a separate charge. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by n/t


Well don't you think that's kinda odd? Not mentioning his wife? But even more so not mentioning his daughter? His daughter who he hasn't seen in months but he makes it a point to say he loves Maria. [/*]

n/t, I believe his "I loved her" was in response to a question specifically about Maria. It's not like they sat down and had a two-hour discussion with him about life in general.....sorry to be facetious about that, but I don't think you can take that one quote out of context and say he SHOULD have said such and such about so and so. The circumstances to his quote were not such that he would mention anyone else. IMO.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by henry


actually donna said it better earlier this morning . . . international humiliation . . . iirc, imo, etc. [/*]

You're right, henry - donna did say it better. Thanks for repeating it.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by n/t


Or maybe he's making a statement that he had planned in case he was captured. Do you honestly believe he didn't have the time to think up what he would say? Why believe a cold blooded murderer, coward and fugitive who's been on the run for months?

I guess I must've been gone too long because I'm stunned by the reaction by some here.

The day Cesar Laurean is finally captured and Maria and baby Gabriel finally closer to getting justice has turned out to be a feel sorry for Cesar and Christine day. That's the impression I'm getting from reading the posts.

Who gives a darn what he looked like? What did posters expect him to look like? He was on the run and hiding from Law Enforcement for God's sakes! Did posters think he'd show up in a suit and tie?

This is absurd. [/*]

I guess for the same reason we always discuss how the suspect looks.:shrug:

He had no idea what he would be asked. They asked him did he killed Maria Lauterbach and his answer was "I loved her" It is what it is.:shrug: and what has been in the media. So of course it is discussed like any other case.

I don't feel sorry for him but I don't think he is some stone cold killer either.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I'm a couple of pages behind here...but, does anyone know what would be the legal stipulations of desecration of a body? I know that I think that any body that isn't legally interred, buried or cremated by normal means with some dignity counts for me. But, I was wondering if there is a legal description of desecration???
TIA if anyone knows. [/*]

desecration is to treat disrespectfully, irreverently, or outrageously and as GB says they don't have proof
that he did that.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by henry


actually donna said it better earlier this morning . . . international humiliation . . . iirc, imo, etc. [/*]



:seeya: henry. Can you believe it?? They finally got him!!!!

That is a good term for it!

[JD81]

Originally posted by JanDoe


desecration is to treat disrespectfully, irreverently, or outrageously and as GB says they don't have proof
that he did that. [/*]

I just explained the murder charge will cover what he did with the body. No separate charge is needed. Of course they had proof for the other charge.

Where he put the body and what he did to conceal it will be covered in the murder charge. jmo

MOO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Sheriff: Law enforcement eliminated Laurean's resources (Some updates)

The efforts of law enforcement to eliminate fugitive Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean's resources led to his "impoverished state" of living in a tiny wooden cabin and having 10 pesos in his pocket when he was captured in Mexico on Thursday, authorities said.

(SNIP)

Investigators had obtained property that contains Laurean's DNA and were prepared to do a test, but would likely wait now that he is in custody, said Paul Ciccarelli, special agent in charge of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service in North and South Carolina.

However, Ciccarelli said if the extradition process drags on - which could take from 30 days to two years, officials said - NCIS is prepared to serve a search warrant through Mexican authorities to get a DNA sample.

(SNIP)

"Lance Cpl. Christina Laurean was advised not to discuss circumstances of the case with anyone other than law enforcement officials," said Lt. Col. Curtis Hill, spokesman for II Marine Expeditionary Force, of which all three involved were assigned.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html