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Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 04:59 PM

Starts here.........

IF:

It has been implied that we have not heard the entire 911 tape,that the rest is still out there and may contain something damaging and incriminating to Jason, so I ask..

why no arrest?

It has been implied that C saw her Daddy kill her Mommy,

why no arrest?

It has been stated that C emphatically says Daddydidit on the tape, why no arrest?

It has been posted that Jason had a secret life that will come to light and destroy him,
why no arrest?

It has been referred to that the therapist notes and what they contain, will blow the lid off the case against Jason,so, again,

why no arrest?

It has been said that there is no foreign dna other than Jason's at the crime scene, why no arrest?

It has been implied that Jason had other women, and they will come forward ,
why no arrest?

It has been rumored that Jason tried to kill Michelle previous times before, why no arrest?

It has been posted that the car accident was a failed murder attempt, why no arrest?

It has been said day after day that L E is getting closer, so, why no arrest?

It has been said the insurance money was motive to kill, why no arrest?

It has been used against Jason that he hired an attorney upon returning home , has refused to talk, but,that can't stop an arrest.

So, put all those things together and IF they were true, there would have been an arrest.

Do you see that every day that goes by without an arrest, that things are looking better and better for Jason?

That if only one of the above things were true and could be proven , there would have been an arrest.

Jason's alibi, his demeanor at the meeting, the body search, (k, 5 days later,not his fault, though). the search of his auto, his home, his computer, his phone records, land and cell, his emails with MM, they got everything.
And, they even went back and got more.
More things from the home.
More things from where he lives now.

And, there still is no arrest.
Why can't someone explain why?

We kept hearing they needed just one more thing to tie it all together, for months and months.
We kept hearing the words imminent, and any day now, and that something was going on, and this was it, when nothing ever happens?

Why?
:confused:

Kat

:confused: :confused:

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by jerzeegirl
kat,

u know where i culd find a pic of mf and mm? [/*]

Hi Jerzeee, they are both on the links thread.

Also in the Memorial for Michelle from the funeral home are her sisters pics.

MM is very pretty.

Kat

jerzeegirl

04-11-2008, 05:04 PM

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Starts here.........

IF:

It has been implied that we have not heard the entire 911 tape,that the rest is still out there and may contain something damaging and incriminating to Jason, so I ask..

why no arrest?

It has been implied that C saw her Daddy kill her Mommy,

why no arrest?

It has been stated that C emphatically says Daddydidit on the tape, why no arrest?

~respectfully snipped for emphasis~~

Why?
:confused:

Kat

:confused: :confused: [/*]

There really has been an obviously orchestrated effort to pin the murder on Jason and I think it will backfire badly on the maestro.

It is very interesting to me that there is so much insistance that C says "Daddy did it" on the 911 call. In fact, some claim they have had the call "enhanced" so it can be clearly understood. I have yet to hear it but I've not listened to an "enhanced" version.

How is it that someone~anyone~went looking for something they were so sure they would find when enhanced? Someone had to give them the head's up to go look for it. The only person who was listening to CY's words during that call was Meredith. Not the dispatcher. Reporters who listened to the call didn't hear, "Daddy did it" or they most certainly would have reported it.

The FACT is, if LE had heard CY say those words directly, she would not be in her father's custody. jmo.

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by jerzeegirl

ty so much [/*]

You are welcome.

:)

Kat

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by scout

Oh, wonderful! Jason's sidedish is very pretty. That makes it all good, doesn't it? barf [/*]

why the need to attack MM's looks?

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

There really has been an obviously orchestrated effort to pin the murder on Jason and I think it will backfire badly on the maestro.

It is very interesting to me that there is so much insistance that C says "Daddy did it" on the 911 call. In fact, some claim they have had the call "enhanced" so it can be clearly understood. I have yet to hear it but I've not listened to an "enhanced" version.

How is it that someone~anyone~went looking for something they were so sure they would find when enhanced? Someone had to give them the head's up to go look for it. The only person who was listening to CY's words during that call was Meredith. Not the dispatcher. Reporters who listened to the call didn't hear, "Daddy did it" or they most certainly would have reported it.

The FACT is, if LE had heard CY say those words directly, she would not be in her father's custody. jmo. [/*]

Ouch, you are always snipping me, j/k

I do get carried away, I know it :cool:

That is something else though we discussed.
Letting C go back to live with J, knowing she said that or saw anything, anthing at all.
Once again, I think there was some pretty good intimidation used in the beginning to get their "man".
Only problem, is 17 and 1/4 months later, their "man" is still free and no one wants to admit why.

Or better yet, knows why.

Kat

5swab5

04-11-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by scout

Oh, wonderful! Jason's sidedish is very pretty. That makes it all good, doesn't it? barf [/*]

ITA!

Must be time to give Meredith a rest and ATTACK Michelle.

Nice Kat, very Nice!

alter ego

04-11-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by scout

Read and comprehend, JF. I did no such thing. You'll have to ask Kat why she felt the need to comment on MM's looks. What she thinks it has to do with the adulterous relationship is a mystery to me. Seemed to me that she was condoning the adultery. I'm sure Jason and MM are thrilled to have Kat's blessing. [/*]
What adulterous relationship? Please show PROOF there was any sexual contact between Michelle Money and Jason Young.

TIA.

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

why the need to attack MM's looks? [/*]

Many posters think MM is pretty, and we discussed her earlier, and no one approved of Jason's relationship/friendship with her.
Not even me.
Maybe it was @ another forum.

:shrug:

I am just trying to find out why they can't get Jason arrested, everything possible has been done to make him look guilty.
I heard we might be getting a story that makes him look good today.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Oh for crying in a bucket! Commenting about how pretty someone is isn't an ATTACK on anyone.

:rolleyes: [/*]\

Hi A/E........:seeya:

We should be able to post around that, any ideas whats going on with the investigation?

Kat

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by scout

Read and comprehend, JF. I did no such thing. You'll have to ask Kat why she felt the need to comment on MM's looks. What she thinks it has to do with the adulterous relationship is a mystery to me. Seemed to me that she was condoning the adultery. I'm sure Jason and MM are thrilled to have Kat's blessing. [/*]

You're overreacting, imo.

Kat responded to jerzeegirl's request about photos. No mention was made by jerzeegirl or Kat about adultery.

MM is very pretty. That's a fact. The "adulterous" relationship isn't fact.

alter ego

04-11-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Many posters think MM is pretty, and we discussed her earlier, and no one approved of Jason's relationship/friendship with her.
Not even me.
Maybe it was @ another forum.

:shrug:

I am just trying to find out why they can't get Jason arrested, everything possible has been done to make him look guilty.
I heard we might be getting a story that makes him look good today.

Kat [/*]
And she is very pretty. If her husband didn't have an issue with all of them being friends, like he said they were, then it's really no one elses business.

There simply isn't evidence to support a charge and that is why Jason has not been arrested.

have to runs som errands - I'll check back with you later to see if the article came out.

:seeya:

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Why ever would the sale of his house make him look good ? What are you thinking girl ? [/*]

If Jason can sell his home, during this housing slump and the fact that someone murdered his wife in their home, I guess that would be good, in a way.

But, I don't know anything about that.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-11-2008, 05:58 PM

alter ego

:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE]

Yeah, me too, it is not my story to post anyway.

Later. :seeya:

Kat

alter ego

04-11-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by scout

Patience, ae. Proof will be shown in due time. [/*]

Oh? And what about the *story* of Mr Money saying he forgave his wife?

That NEVER happened so now it's unpublished proof
:shrug:

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by scout

It is fact. It just hasn't been made public yet. [/*]

Without a link, it is a rumor. If I were MM or her husband, I certainly wouldn't appreciate such rumors.

alter ego

04-11-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
\

Hi A/E........:seeya:

We should be able to post around that, any ideas whats going on with the investigation?

Kat [/*]

It's cold.

Cardinal

04-11-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

It's cold. [/*]

You forgot to add, "in your opinion."

alter ego

04-11-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

You forgot to add, "in your opinion." [/*]
No, I didn't.

Cardinal

04-11-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

No, I didn't. [/*]

So, you think a "cold" investigation would include SWs executed within the previous 2 months. Interesting.

oakayfine

04-11-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

No, I didn't. [/*]

Nope, far from it. You may wish for it to be but it is not.

oakayfine

04-11-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by scout

Maybe by your definition. If I know it to be fact, it is not a rumor to me. [/*]

The only facts Mimi considers facts are in her dreams.

annalyzer

04-11-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi Jerzeee, they are both on the links thread.

Also in the Memorial for Michelle from the funeral home are her sisters pics.

MM is very pretty.

Kat [/*]

The link on the first page of the links thread isn't working. Is there another one? From what I remember she wasn't all that pretty.

Cardinal

04-11-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

The link on the first page of the links thread isn't working. Is there another one? From what I remember she wasn't all that pretty. [/*]

I didn't think so either. I remember it, because I had the thought that it was strange that Jason would cheat on his wife with someone less attractive. Not that it matters.

JMO

annalyzer

04-11-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I didn't think so either. I remember it, because I had the thought that it was strange that Jason would cheat on his wife with someone less attractive. Not that it matters.

JMO [/*]

Men don't care. They're only after one thing. ;)

Cardinal

04-11-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Men don't care. They're only after one thing. ;) [/*]

Careful. Comments like that have a tendency to invoke the appearance of a certain poster. :biggrin:

Breakingnews

04-11-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

The link on the first page of the links thread isn't working. Is there another one? From what I remember she wasn't all that pretty. [/*]

MM is attractive nothing to write home about.

Michelle was beautiful. Jason is an ***.

IMO.

awareness

04-11-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

why the need to attack MM's looks? [/*]

If its their opinion, so be it. I find your query intersting considering on the now-locked thread you said Meredith's 911 call sounded "schizophrenic".

JMO/IMO

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by awareness

If its their opinion, so be it. I find your query intersting considering on the now-locked thread you said Meredith's 911 call sounded "schizophrenic".

JMO/IMO [/*]

I'm pretty sure that she has indicated that she doesn't have a degree in psychology. I don't think there is any basis other than what she wants to believe so I wouldn't put a lot of weight in that statement. JMO

5swab5

04-11-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by awareness

If its their opinion, so be it. I find your query intersting considering on the now-locked thread you said Meredith's 911 call sounded "schizophrenic".

JMO/IMO [/*]

Hi Awareness,

It's laughable isn't it?

Poor Meredith was summoned by her BIL to retrieve a print-out from his home computer for an Anniversary present that was already weeks late. Meredith finds her sibling in a bloody heap and her niece wandering around their house. Yet, since Jason Lynn Young made that phone call from "out-of-town", he is beyond reproach.

Every thing that Meredith has ever done, commented on or had the bad decision to record on the internet had been sliced, diced and pureed.

But, Jason, who lost his beautiful wife, is beyond reproach.

He doesn't have to talk to LE.

He doesn't have to attend Memorials.

He doesn't have to erect tombstones, or even send flowers.

He doesn't have to actively INSURE, that Cassidy has contact with Michelle's Mom and sister.

Jason Lynn Young does not have to join with other fathers that have lost inutero children, to lobby for a "Fetal Homicide Law" in N.C...He don't even have to SIGN it!

He doesn't have to do ANYTHING!

Jason has to do nothing, yet he garners the best of the best at ATTACKING every single member of the Fisher family and Michelle's friends. (Poor Rhett)

Yet they stand behind a man that would SPIT on them for being so wrong.

Yep, Laughable!

MOO!

Swabby

jerzeegirl

04-11-2008, 08:44 PM

ya know not for nothing but, i feel really sorry for meredith, some people think she had a hand in her sisters death, i dont know, i wasnt there, but if all shes guilty of is her voice not measuring up to everyones expectations on a 911 call, if thats it, thats all shes guilty of so far, thats not so bad. I mean give me something better than that, i really do come here to debate this case, not fight, it drives me nutz noone has been arrested. I mean, if she called 911 and said "let me call you back after i consult with my lawyer" then you got something on her. I listened to 911 call, no shes not a screaming maniac, which is prolly a good thing for CY, you may call it a flat affect, but maybe that calmness is due to experience in EMT (that some think she has).

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by W_D_1

No ne was condoning anything. You need to step back big time. [/*]

This post makes no sense. Are there some typos that need correcting? I'm usually pretty good at translating but this one has me stumped.

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 08:59 PM

Nevermind. I just figured it out. The "o" was left out. Got it now.

5swab5

04-11-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by jerzeegirl
ya know not for nothing but, i feel really sorry for meredith, some people think she had a hand in her sisters death, i dont know, i wasnt there, but if all shes guilty of is her voice not measuring up to everyones expectations on a 911 call, if thats it, thats all shes guilty of so far, thats not so bad. I mean give me something better than that, i really do come here to debate this case, not fight, it drives me nutz noone has been arrested. I mean, if she called 911 and said "let me call you back after i consult with my lawyer" then you got something on her. I listened to 911 call, no shes not a screaming maniac, which is prolly a good thing for CY, you may call it a flat affect, but maybe that calmness is due to experience in EMT (that some think she has). [/*]

I firmly believe the 911 call will matter little in the trial. Even tho, a select few here want to take exception to Meredith's demeanor, I can sense the horror, confusion and disbelief of all that she is witnessing...so will the "finders of fact". Jurors have to complete pretty aggressive voir dire these days. When they hear that tape, they will be IN that bedroom on the second floor of BirchLeaf, and KNOW how horrified Meredith was. I pray for them.

MOO

Swabby

Then they get the enhanced version! :biggrin:

Breakingnews

04-11-2008, 11:05 PM

After reading around elsewhere, I see word is he sold the house. Suppose his mom is going to have to dip into her savings to cover the shortage or he'll spend some of Michelle's 401k.

I wonder if he even had a savings account before Michelle came along. He's never bought a home on his own. IMO, he never held a job long enough to have a 401k or retirement plan started.

JMO.

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I'm pretty sure that she has indicated that she doesn't have a degree in psychology. I don't think there is any basis other than what she wants to believe so I wouldn't put a lot of weight in that statement. JMO [/*]

I have to agree with you, Barbara, you certainly don't think. I have never indicated my profession on this forum and you have no idea of my identity so please stop pretending you do. Thanks.

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

The 911 tape will be played by the prosecution only.
Meredith Fisher will be a very sympathetic witness for the state. [/*]

The 911 tape will most certainly be played by the prosecution. Photos will be shown depicting the crime scene. Jurors will see for themselves no footprints "all over the house." Not only will Meredith not be a witness for the state, I doubt she takes the stand in her own defense, either.

jmo

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

The 911 tape will most certainly be played by the prosecution. Photos will be shown depicting the crime scene. Jurors will see for themselves no footprints "all over the house." Not only will Meredith not be a witness for the state, I doubt she takes the stand in her own defense, either.

jmo [/*]

In her own defense for what? Because she didn't follow Kat's script for running, screaming from the house? What is she defending herself from?

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by jerzeegirl
ya know not for nothing but, i feel really sorry for meredith, some people think she had a hand in her sisters death, i dont know, i wasnt there, but if all shes guilty of is her voice not measuring up to everyones expectations on a 911 call, if thats it, thats all shes guilty of so far, thats not so bad. I mean give me something better than that, i really do come here to debate this case, not fight, it drives me nutz noone has been arrested. I mean, if she called 911 and said "let me call you back after i consult with my lawyer" then you got something on her. I listened to 911 call, no shes not a screaming maniac, which is prolly a good thing for CY, you may call it a flat affect, but maybe that calmness is due to experience in EMT (that some think she has). [/*]

Flat affect is far different than "calmness." EMT's can remain calm but their adrenaline is still pumping, they're moving, taking action, assessing the victim, initiating support. Meredith couldn't tell the dispatcher why she thought her sister was dead and initially couldn't bring herself to even touch her. Instead, she engaged the child in simultaneous conversation, asking her if someone had been there and if mommy fell down. She seemed to be separated from reality. The exasperated dispatcher asked her to place the child in another room.

It takes more than just a suspicious 911 call to make an arrest and gain a conviction. I think investigators are building a rock solid case and that takes time.

jmo

annalyzer

04-11-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I think investigators are building a rock solid case and that takes time.

jmo [/*]

So they're searching for evidence against Meredith at Jason's mother's house? :biggrin:

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

In her own defense for what? Because she didn't follow Kat's script for running, screaming from the house? What is she defending herself from? [/*]

A murder indictment.

Not taking the child and fleeing is an act of consciousness of guilt. She knew there was no danger.

jmo

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Flat affect is far different than "calmness." EMT's can remain calm but their adrenaline is still pumping, they're moving, taking action, assessing the victim, initiating support. Meredith couldn't tell the dispatcher why she thought her sister was dead and initially couldn't bring herself to even touch her. Instead, she engaged the child in simultaneous conversation, asking her if someone had been there and if mommy fell down. She seemed to be separated from reality. The exasperated dispatcher asked her to place the child in another room.

It takes more than just a suspicious 911 call to make an arrest and gain a conviction. I think investigators are building a rock solid case and that takes time.

jmo [/*]

Shock is the most likely explanation.

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

So they're searching for evidence against Meredith at Jason's mother's house? :biggrin: [/*]

That's what I hear, yes.

:biggrin:

Breakingnews

04-11-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

A murder indictment.

Not taking the child and fleeing is an act of consciousness of guilt. She knew there was no danger.

jmo [/*]

What a load. Thanks for the laugh.

JustFacts

04-11-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Shock is the most likely explanation. [/*]

to the uneducated, it is. At trial, there will be an expert witness to explain the difference.

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

A murder indictment.

Not taking the child and fleeing is an act of consciousness of guilt. She knew there was no danger.

jmo [/*]

If I had come on that scene under the circumstances, my first thought would have been that my sister had had a miscarriage. My first thought would NOT have been, "Oh. Obviously my sister has been murdered because that happens everyday in Enchanted Oaks."

Barbara2

04-11-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

to the uneducated, it is. At trial, there will be an expert witness to explain the difference. [/*]

I am HIGHLY educated. Try again.

Breakingnews

04-11-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

to the uneducated, it is. At trial, there will be an expert witness to explain the difference. [/*]

Will Jason's family be paying for that defense hired gun too? So far their choices in private investigators have been pizz poor.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews
After reading around elsewhere, I see word is he sold the house. Suppose his mom is going to have to dip into her savings to cover the shortage or he'll spend some of Michelle's 401k.

I wonder if he even had a savings account before Michelle came along. He's never bought a home on his own. IMO, he never held a job long enough to have a 401k or retirement plan started.

JMO. [/*]

There is a pretty notorious case, right in "Progress Energy's" backyard. Michael Peterson? Don't know if you are familiar with that one or not?

But anyway, The decedent's Company paid out TOO soon, Michael used the money from "Kathleen's 401-K for his defense fund. "NorTel" had to REPAY during a settlement!

I would be very surprised if PG paid off to the ONLY suspect in Michelle's murder.

Swabby

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That's what I hear, yes.

:biggrin: [/*]

And what possible evidence against MF would be kept at Jason's mother's house?

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

If I had come on that scene under the circumstances, my first thought would have been that my sister had had a miscarriage. My first thought would NOT have been, "Oh. Obviously my sister has been murdered because that happens everyday in Enchanted Oaks." [/*]

Blood all over the walls, bed, lamp, carpet represents a miscarriage? That wouldn't be my first thought. Wouldn't your first thought be to see if your sister is alive and if you thought it was a miscarriage, wouldn't you mention it to the 911 dispatcher?

5swab5

04-12-2008, 12:09 AM

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

There is a pretty notorious case, right in "Progress Energy's" backyard. Michael Peterson? Don't know if you are familiar with that one or not?

But anyway, The decedent's Company paid out TOO soon, Michael used the money from "Kathleen's 401-K for his defense fund. "NorTel" had to REPAY during a settlement!

I would be very surprised if PG paid off to the ONLY suspect in Michelle's murder.

Swabby [/*]

Yep, know the case. Sad and shameful that Kathleen's hard earned money went to defend her murderer.

I do hope that Michelle's employer was able to block HER benefits from being distributed until there is an arrest and conviction. If not, the laws need to be changed.

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 12:13 AM

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

And what possible evidence against MF would be kept at Jason's mother's house? [/*]

The Birchleaf belongings were packed up and moved along with Jason and Cassidy. Cops took another look just as they took another look at Birchleaf.

jmo

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

The pregnancy was mentioned immediately. Have you ever been in shock? [/*]

No it wasn't immediate and I don't believe the dispatcher even heard it, there was so much child's chatter in the background.

I've provided first aid to people in emotional shock. Shock does have symptoms.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

to the uneducated, it is. At trial, there will be an expert witness to explain the difference. [/*]
I seriously doubt that.

The whole clan lives together like a bunch of teenagers.

Not a lot of dough for "experts". Especially with Jason Lynn Young taking EVERY opportunity on the planet to sky to Vegas or rent a boat for another "gambling junket".

MOO!

Swabby

Hope he isn't counting on Gerald, 'cause he WILL BE long GONE!

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

There is a pretty notorious case, right in "Progress Energy's" backyard. Michael Peterson? Don't know if you are familiar with that one or not?

But anyway, The decedent's Company paid out TOO soon, Michael used the money from "Kathleen's 401-K for his defense fund. "NorTel" had to REPAY during a settlement!

I would be very surprised if PG paid off to the ONLY suspect in Michelle's murder.

Swabby [/*]

Jason hasn't been named a suspect in Michelle's murder.

btw, federal law dictates the spouse is the beneficiary of a 401(k).

5swab5

04-12-2008, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

The Birchleaf belongings were packed up and moved along with Jason and Cassidy. Cops took another look just as they took another look at Birchleaf.

jmo [/*]

RIiiiiiiiGHT!

MOO!

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Blood all over the walls, bed, lamp, carpet represents a miscarriage? That wouldn't be my first thought. Wouldn't your first thought be to see if your sister is alive and if you thought it was a miscarriage, wouldn't you mention it to the 911 dispatcher? [/*]

She was possibly in denial. I know when I received unexpected news that someone I loved was gravely ill, I didn't immediately accept they were dying. Dream like. And I was unemotional, stunned.

I can't imagine walking into a situation where my loved one laid bloody on the floor while calling 911 and trying to wrap my mind around what has happened.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Yep, know the case. Sad and shameful that Kathleen's hard earned money went to defend her murderer.

I do hope that Michelle's employer was able to block HER benefits from being distributed until there is an arrest and conviction. If not, the laws need to be changed. [/*]

You can't be serious. Michelle does have a small child. Why do you want to deprive her of financial support from her mother's benefits? Pretty heartless, imo.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

She was possibly in denial. I know when I received unexpected news that someone I loved was gravely ill, I didn't immediately accept they were dying. Dream like. And I was unemotional, stunned.

I can't imagine walking into a situation where my loved one laid bloody on the floor while calling 911 and trying to wrap my mind around what has happened. [/*]

Meredith almost immediately told the dispatcher she thought Michelle was dead. Not much denial in that.

:shrug:

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You can't be serious. Michelle does have a small child. Why do you want to deprive her of financial support from her mother's benefits? Pretty heartless, imo. [/*]

Tough. If LE considers him a suspect he should not benefit off her death. No suspect should.

I thought he was a hotshot earner, according to the family. And he's only living with his sister and now mother for moral support.

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Tough. If LE considers him a suspect he should not benefit off her death. No suspect should.

I thought he was a hotshot earner, according to the family. And he's only living with his sister and now mother for moral support. [/*]

LE won't even name Jason a suspect and I think that is odd.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Jason hasn't been named a suspect in Michelle's murder.

btw, federal law dictates the spouse is the beneficiary of a 401(k). [/*]

Don't even try to pretend to be naive. Jason Lynn Young IS[/*] the subject in all but the SW's from Florida, (his little squeeze).

Rules are rules and then there IS the BOTTOM line.

"NorTel" paid dearly. I am a satisfied customer as well as a stock holder in "PE". They learned from another Company's mistake.

MOO

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Meredith almost immediately told the dispatcher she thought Michelle was dead. Not much denial in that.

:shrug: [/*]

And I would imagine that was stunning and hard for her to believe.

She wasn't Patty Porter that knew her daughter was missing, hadn't showed up for worked and was terrified to find Blake alone. Her worse fears realized.

Meredith was sent over by Jason to pick up a print out of a purse. No forewarning. Big difference.

IMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Tough. If LE considers him a suspect he should not benefit off her death. No suspect should.

I thought he was a hotshot earner, according to the family. And he's only living with his sister and now mother for moral support. [/*]

If Jason was an official suspect, PE wouldn't have to give him the money. They'd deposit it with the court.

But Jason hasn't been named an official suspect. Money is his.

jmo

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

And I would imagine that was stunning and hard for her to believe.

She wasn't Patty Porter that knew her daughter was missing, hadn't showed up for worked and was terrified to find Blake alone. Her worse fears realized.

Meredith was sent over by Jason to pick up a print out of a purse. No forewarning. Big difference.

IMO [/*]

Meredith told LE she was sent over by Jason to pick up a print out but it remains to be seen whether Meredith told LE the truth.

jmo

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Don't even try to pretend to be naive. Jason Lynn Young IS[/*] the subject in all but the SW's from Florida, (his little squeeze).

Rules are rules and then there IS the BOTTOM line.

"NorTel" paid dearly. I am a satisfied customer as well as a stock holder in "PE". They learned from another Company's mistake.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Jason Young hasn't been officially named a suspect and there are search warrants still not public so you have no idea who LE is focused upon.

The person who eventually received Ms. Peterson's company benefits was her next heir, her daughter. Cassidy Young would be the designee if Jason were an official suspect. Get a grip.

:rolleyes:

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

LE won't even name Jason a suspect and I think that is odd. [/*]

I don't know what to make of that, annalyzer. Other than times have changed.

As much as I disagree with certain posters, I will concede that there is overwhelming evidence of people in prison that have been wrongfully convicted. The majority have been cleared by DNA. I'm not aware of anyone that was a spouse though.

I read a few sites after this was brought up earlier and the majority were poor and black.

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

If Jason was an official suspect, PE wouldn't have to give him the money. They'd deposit it with the court.

But Jason hasn't been named an official suspect. Money is his.

jmo [/*]

Did he tell you he received HER benefits? If not, you don't know if he did. Your insider finally confessed that they all are in the dark about what's being going on. Jason isn't talking. Maybe to ask mom for some money. No explanations.

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Meredith told LE she was sent over by Jason to pick up a print out but it remains to be seen whether Meredith told LE the truth.

jmo [/*]

Have you seen a SW for her? If so, please link. I believe on another board, a number for Wake County Clerk of Court was given. Said poster called and asked about warrants. Have you?

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

If Jason was an official suspect, PE wouldn't have to give him the money. They'd deposit it with the court.

But Jason hasn't been named an official suspect. Money is his.

jmo [/*]

WOWZA!

Kinda' like that Million in Insurance that is his too?

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

Don't spend it all in one place!

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

LE won't even name Jason a suspect and I think that is odd. [/*]

Not odd at all. Jason and his attorney received the results of the NTIO testing. If LE names Jason a suspect and those results indicate someone else's DNA or prints were found at the crime scene, his attorney will be all over the media with it. Duke lax all over again. His attorney made no attempt whatsoever to destroy the NTIO results even though he could. LE has failed to solve the case because of their arrogance and incompetence and Jason's attorney would love an opportunity to go public. imo.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

WOWZA!

Kinda' like that Million in Insurance that is his too?

MOO

Swabby

Don't spend it all in one place! [/*]

Yes, he can make a claim on the insurance if he wants. I find your rabid Jason-bashing to be both boring and childish.

:seeya:

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Jason Young hasn't been officially named a suspect and there are search warrants still not public so you have no idea who LE is focused upon.

The person who eventually received Ms. Peterson's company benefits was her next heir, her daughter. Cassidy Young would be the designee if Jason were an official suspect. Get a grip.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Time will tell!

As long as " Roger Smith, et al.", don't get it...I couldn't care less!

MOO

ABJ

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Not odd at all. Jason and his attorney received the results of the NTIO testing. If LE names Jason a suspect and those results indicate someone else's DNA or prints were found at the crime scene, his attorney will be all over the 5media with it. Duke lax all over again. His attorney made no attempt whatsoever to destroy the NTIO results even though he could. LE has failed to solve the case because of their arrogance and incompetence and Jason's attorney would love an opportu5nity to go public. imo. [/*]

Tell Kim she needs to brainstorm some more. This is along the lines of Donnie went after Jason because of the election. Sorry to say the election was the 7th, same day NTO was signed. Jason didn't show till the 8th. That was not reported until after the election. You need to get the team together and look at dates.

Sorta like Kim couldn't get the purse story straight. It's an anniversary present and then a Christmas present. She told lots of conflicting tales that are still on the Internet.

BTW, Donnie won that election with 62% of the vote.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Have you seen a SW for her? If so, please link. I believe on another board, a number for Wake County Clerk of Court was given. Said poster called and asked about warrants. Have you? [/*]

I've heard about a search warrants that have yet to be returned.

btw, anybody can call the Clerk's office and ask about warrants but the Clerk doesn't provide answers over the phone. It's a courthouse, not a public library.

:rolleyes:

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Yes, he can make a claim on the insurance if he wants. I find your rabid Jason-bashing to be both boring and childish.

:seeya: [/*]

WHAT?

This is a Crime Message Board!

Michelle Marie Fisher is DEAD!

Jason Lynn Young IS and HAS BEEN the subject of, by your own admission 13-14 Search Warrants to-this-date. We have his Girlfriend's which I am not counting, and his sister's house and his mother's house...which I AM.

If I am Jason Lynn Young bashing, I am only trying to give you a clue!

MOO!

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Yes, he can make a claim on the insurance if he wants. I find your rabid Jason-bashing to be both boring and childish.

:seeya: [/*]

Interesting choice of the word rabid. I used that tonight on a different thread. Same thing happened a few months ago when I used the word ilk when having a discussion on this thread. Interesting.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Tell Kim she needs to brainstorm some more. This is along the lines of Donnie went after Jason because of the election. Sorry to say the election was the 7th, same day NTO was signed. Jason didn't show till the 8th. That was not reported until after the election. You need to get the team together and look at dates.

Sorta like Kim couldn't get the purse story straight. It's an anniversary present and then a Christmas present. She told lots of conflicting tales that are still on the Internet.

BTW, Donnie won that election with 62% of the vote. [/*]

Yeah, Nifong won, too. How'd that work out for him?

As for dates, Michelle's murder was November 3. Harrison made comments about the murder and his confidence in solving it quickly prior to November 7. It helped deflect voters' attention away from his hounddog behavior with another man's wife.

jmo

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I've heard about a search warrants that have yet to be returned.

btw, anybody can call the Clerk's office and ask about warrants but the Clerk doesn't provide answers over the phone. It's a courthouse, not a public library.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Hmm,

That's kinda' telling.

I've never had any problems getting any info from "downtown".
In fact, I've found them very informative and helpful.

MOO

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I've heard about a search warrants that have yet to be returned.

btw, anybody can call the Clerk's office and ask about warrants but the Clerk doesn't provide answers over the phone. It's a courthouse, not a public library.

:rolleyes: [/*]

Have you or Jason's family called and asked? They have been left in the dark for 17 months.

I haven't called. I trust the person that did. Maybe both of us should, eh? Just to make sure.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

WHAT?

This is a Crime Message Board!

Michelle Marie Fisher is DEAD!

Jason Lynn Young IS and HAS BEEN the subject of, by your own admission 13-14 Search Warrants to-this-date. We have his Girlfriend's which I am not counting, and his sister's house and his mother's house...which I AM.

If I am Jason Lynn Young bashing, I am only trying to give you a clue!

MOO!

Swabby [/*]

No, Jason and Michelle Young's PROPERTY has been the focus of search warrants. You can't seem to grasp the concept. Their house, cars, deck, cell phones, computer.........

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Yeah, Nifong won, too. How'd that work out for him?

As for dates, Michelle's murder was November 3. Harrison made comments about the murder and his confidence in solving it quickly prior to November 7. It helped deflect voters' attention away from his hounddog behavior with another man's wife.

jmo [/*]

Didn't work out well for Nifong did it? Not a shock, he was elected in by the group he was pandering and lying to.

You need to double check your dates. Read the old articles. They are online still. Jason did not come under the spotlight in the media until after the election. No deflection. Just the woman was murdered in a heinous way. Which is the truth.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

(snip) If LE names Jason a suspect and those results indicate someone else's DNA or prints were found at the crime scene, his attorney will be all over the media with it. (snip) [/*]

Funny, with that BRUTAL beating that NOTHING has been said. Even by the half-way grieving husband.

Who "could" care less!

MOO

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

No, Jason and Michelle Young's PROPERTY has been the focus of search warrants. You can't seem to grasp the concept. Their house, cars, deck, cell phones, computer......... [/*]

When did Michelle move to Pat or Heather's home? Or does Jason have her belongings strung all over Western NC? Sad if true, but not a shock.

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Funny, with that BRUTAL beating that NOTHING has been said. Even by the half-way grieving husband.

Who "could" care less!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

What do expect from a man that doesn't feel the need to mark her eternal resting place? Or on the year anniversary of her death heads to the Caribbean?

Somewhere on one of the Topix boards, Kim or one of the crew wrote in 2006, that Jason was so torn up that everyone was worried he would never get over Michelle's death. Didn't take long he was back in the saddle within 6 months.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Yes, he can make a claim on the insurance if he wants. I find your rabid Jason-bashing to be both boring and childish.

:seeya: [/*]

SINCE WHEN????

Did it become OK to openly INSULT another poster?

I watched in Horror last night when you called-out another poster by their "RL" name.

Apparently you think you can do anything you want.

MOO

Swabby

:seeya:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Have you or Jason's family called and asked? They have been left in the dark for 17 months.

I haven't called. I trust the person that did. Maybe both of us should, eh? Just to make sure. [/*]

I'm not sure what you mean about Jason's family being kept in the dark by LE. I don't believe that's remotely accurate.

I phoned the Clerk's office and apparently so have quite a few people. The Clerk's office is not amused with the poster you think is so credible.

jmo

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm not sure what you mean about Jason's family being kept in the dark by LE. I don't believe that's remotely accurate.

I phoned the Clerk's office and apparently so have quite a few people. The Clerk's office is not amused with the poster you think is so credible.

jmo [/*]

LOL. Should I quote gojo here?

What did they tell ya? Now remember I can call on Monday.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Didn't work out well for Nifong did it? Not a shock, he was elected in by the group he was pandering and lying to.

You need to double check your dates. Read the old articles. They are online still. Jason did not come under the spotlight in the media until after the election. No deflection. Just the woman was murdered in a heinous way. Which is the truth. [/*]

I have no need to double check dates. You apparently have forgotten the news conferences about Michelle's murder. I saw clips that were played on national cable news shows.

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 01:51 AM

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

LOL. Should I quote gojo here?

What did they tell ya? Now remember I can call on Monday. [/*]

They confirmed what I already knew, that I needed to visit the courthouse in person and no information is ever given over the telephone.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Yeah, Nifong won, too. How'd that work out for him?

As for dates, Michelle's murder was November 3. Harrison made comments about the murder and his confidence in solving it quickly prior to November 7. It helped deflect voters' attention away from his hounddog behavior with another man's wife.

jmo [/*]
Just so YOU know!

Donnie saw his loving wife through a long and protracted bout with breast cancer.

Once she had succumbed, he sought solace in the arms of a woman, in the throes of divorce. Harrison DID NOT CHEAT ON HIS WIFE, OR KILL HER!

Much more than I can say about Jason Lynn Young!

MOO

Swabby

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I haven't forgotten a thing.

In fact, I'll bet I was aware of this murder before you were. [/*]

what an odd boast for you to make.

:rolleyes:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

When did Michelle move to Pat or Heather's home? Or does Jason have her belongings strung all over Western NC? Sad if true, but not a shock. [/*]

Michelle's "belongings" moved from Birchleaf to western North Carolina along with her daughter and husband. I guess you missed those media reports.

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Donnie saw his loving wife through a long and protracted bout with breast cancer.

[/*]

God bless him. :rose:

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

They confirmed what I already knew, that I needed to visit the courthouse in person and no information is ever given over the telephone. [/*]

I'll try to confirm that on Monday.

Yawn, I think you are full of it and you bore me now. No original thought. Just a mimic for a family protecting a murderer. Their defense ideas stink and easily disproved. Same ole crap we've heard a 100 times before from the family of a murderer.

IMO.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

No, Jason and Michelle Young's PROPERTY has been the focus of search warrants. You can't seem to grasp the concept. Their house, cars, deck, cell phones, computer......... [/*]

The Feb. 14th SW's were a LONG way from Raleigh! A very LONG way!

Mommy's house & the Sister's house in Etowah County, to be precise.

Get over it.

MOO

Swabby

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Michelle's "belongings" moved from Birchleaf to western North Carolina along with her daughter and husband. I guess you missed those media reports. [/*]

So he had them divided between Brevard and Etowah? How did that work? GMAFB.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

So he had them divided between Brevard and Etowah? How did that work? GMAFB. [/*]

Why would he divide it? No need to divide it. You really should get some rest, you're not making much sense.

nitey~ nite!!

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I have no need to double check dates. You apparently have forgotten the news conferences about Michelle's murder. I saw clips that were played on national cable news shows. [/*]

Really? I didn't realize Michelle's murder made the national cable news shows prior to Nov. 7. There were mentions in the local news, but none of them, during that time, mentioned Jason in any way other than as her husband who was "out of town at the time." I don't recall Harrison personally being quoted in this case, prior to Nov 7, at all.

JMO

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would he divide it? No need to divide it. You really should get some rest, you're not making much sense.

nitey~ nite!! [/*]

Two search warrants and you claim they just wanted to look at Michelle's property. So are you lying or are Michelle's belongings in Brevard and Etowah?

You made the claim. And yeah, I am getting tired of junk theories.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

What do expect from a man that doesn't feel the need to mark her eternal resting place? Or on the year anniversary of her death heads to the Caribbean?

Somewhere on one of the Topix boards, Kim or one of the crew wrote in 2006, that Jason was so torn up that everyone was worried he would never get over Michelle's death. Didn't take long he was back in the saddle within 6 months. [/*]

Hi BreakingNews,

Just between me & you, that bronc was never even "gentle broke".

For Michelle & Rylan::rose:

MOO

SwabbyMichelle NEVER stood a chance.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

Two search warrants and you claim they just wanted to look at Michelle's property. So are you lying or are Michelle's belongings in Brevard and Etowah?

You made the claim. And yeah, I am getting tired of junk theories. [/*]

I never claimed just two search warrants, that is your creation.

Michelle and Jason's belongings were packed up and moved out of Birchleaf last year. If cops wanted a relook, they had to travel to where the belongings are now located. Sounds like common sense to me but if you want to believe it a junk theory, that's okay.

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Hi BreakingNews,

Just between me & you, that bronc was never even "gentle broke".

For Michelle & Rylan::rose:

MOO

SwabbyMichelle NEVER stood a chance. [/*]

I wish she had never married him. He will always be bad news.

Loser. IMO JMO.

5swab5

04-12-2008, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I have no need to double check dates. You apparently have forgotten the news conferences about Michelle's murder. I saw clips that were played on national cable news shows. [/*]

ABSOLUTELY!

Stand by your "National" coverage!

Continue the "party line", by calling the N.C. news "tabloidesque"

PFfffffffT Hypocrisy is NOT FUNNY.

Swabby

MOO!

5swab5

04-12-2008, 02:34 AM

Breakingnews

04-12-2008, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I never claimed just two search warrants, that is your creation.

Michelle and Jason's belongings were packed up and moved out of Birchleaf last year. If cops wanted a relook, they had to travel to where the belongings are now located. Sounds like common sense to me but if you want to believe it a junk theory, that's okay. [/*]

So if LE were looking for her belongings they had to search Pat's and Heather's? And why would that be? As I said earlier, if that is true, that means her belongings are in different places.

Great husband. When my mom died, I didn't have to scour the state to find her belongings. They were with her husband and in one place. Where he lived.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:37 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I never claimed just two search warrants, that is your creation.

Michelle and Jason's belongings were packed up and moved out of Birchleaf last year. If cops wanted a relook, they had to travel to where the belongings are now located. Sounds like common sense to me but if you want to believe it a junk theory, that's okay. [/*]

If there were more than 2 warrants on 2/14, AND IF the purpose of the warrants was to examine "Michelle and Jason's belongings", then the implication is that there are belongings somewhere other than Brevard/Etowah. Are you saying you think some of those belongings are parked elsewhere?

5swab5

04-12-2008, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I wish she had never married him. He will always be bad news.

Loser. IMO JMO. [/*]

Little Do You Know.

G'Night .

Swabby.

RIP Michelle & Rylan :rose:

Rot in "H" Jason!

MOO

alter ego

04-12-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Breakingnews

I don't know what to make of that, annalyzer. Other than times have changed.

As much as I disagree with certain posters, I will concede that there is overwhelming evidence of people in prison that have been wrongfully convicted. The majority have been cleared by DNA. I'm not aware of anyone that was a spouse though.

I read a few sites after this was brought up earlier and the majority were poor and black. [/*]
Guess you missed the cases of Sam Sheppard and William Sybers

alter ego

04-12-2008, 10:25 AM

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by alter ego

Guess you missed the cases of Sam Sheppard and William Sybers [/*]

William Sybers isn't a very good example since he was still convicted of the crime when he agreed to the plea deal. You can say that you believe him when he says he's really innocent but that's not what's on the record.

You could include Scott Hornoff who was exonerated. He wasn't a husband but he was romantically involved with the victim.

But that's still only two cases over half a century time period. The majority of convictions of spouse killers are correct.

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Sundog

The second mortgage of $57,750 is only 2 years old, while the first of $307,900 will be 3 years 5-20-08. It is likely that very little principal has been paid down on these 2 mortgages in this short a period.

Assuming the house sold for 95% of asking price ($370,000), someone will need to write a check at closing after paying the $20,000 realtor commission [/*]
you have absolutely no idea what the balance of the mortgage is and no idea if there is any shortage.

You also have no idea if the buyers are splitting commission.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by alter ego

~snip~

You also have no idea if the buyers are splitting commission. [/*]

That's highly unlikely in this market, especially for that house.

JMO

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

William Sybers isn't a very good example since he was still convicted of the crime when he agreed to the plea deal. You can say that you believe him when he says he's really innocent but that's not what's on the record.

You could include Scott Hornoff who was exonerated. He wasn't a husband but he was romantically involved with the victim.

But that's still only two cases over half a century time period. The majority of convictions of spouse killers are correct. [/*]
Nope. William Sybers' conviction was overturned and he pled out even tho the DA doubted they would retry. His conviction was for murder, his plea was to manslaughter so yes, he is INNOCENT of murder.

One wrongful conviction is one to many and to assume none were of husbands murdering their wives is inaccurate. And not all remands make the news or appear as published opinion, so there could be hundreds over the last century.

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

That's highly unlikely in this market, especially for that house.

JMO [/*]RE agents are still buyers agents and not just sellers agents.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by alter ego
RE agents are still buyers agents and not just sellers agents. [/*]

True, but that's unusual for MLS listings, imo. And I seriously doubt the commission is being split for this particular property.

JHP

04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm not sure what you mean about Jason's family being kept in the dark by LE. I don't believe that's remotely accurate.

I phoned the Clerk's office and apparently so have quite a few people. The Clerk's office is not amused with the poster you think is so credible.

jmo [/*]

So.... you think they call Jason and his family a few days before 2/14 and said, Hey, hows it going? we're going be swinging by in a few days, hope you don't mind?

JMO

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by alter ego

Nope. William Sybers' conviction was overturned and he pled out even tho the DA doubted they would retry. His conviction was for murder, his plea was to manslaughter so yes, he is INNOCENT of murder.

One wrongful conviction is one to many and to assume none were of husbands murdering their wives is inaccurate. And not all remands make the news or appear as published opinion, so there could be hundreds over the last century. [/*]

You're splitting hairs. William Sybers was convicted of killing his wife.

Even one wife killed by her husband is one too many.

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

You're splitting hairs. William Sybers was convicted of killing his wife.

Even one wife killed by her husband is one too many. [/*]Not splitting hairs at all, the conviction was TOSSED.

On the same token, even one husband killed by his wife is one too many.

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Sundog

OK miss know it all, you tell me how much a $307,000, 30 year mortgage amortizes in less than 3 years. Lets assume 6% interest. While you are at it, figure the 2 year old , $57k 2nd at 7.5% over 15 years. like I said, after paying the $20k commission, 95% asking, there is no equity in the house. [/*]
not taking the bait.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by alter ego

not taking the bait. [/*]

Guess that means she's right. :biggrin:

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

True, but that's unusual for MLS listings, imo. And I seriously doubt the commission is being split for this particular property. [/*]Hard saying not knowing.

alter ego

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Guess that means she's right. :biggrin: [/*]Nope. No need to include the childish 'miss know it all' in that post and make it bait.

No need at all.

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Guess that means she's right. :biggrin: [/*]

It was the math calculations. :tongue:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by june1943

What does the price of the house have to do with the murder? Are there people in Raleigh watching the sale of every house? I am assuming that Michelle's 401 K was pretty hefty and that Jason isn't hurting for money. I am glad he has finally sold the house. I guess he is holding on to his condo for investment purposes. Good idea. [/*]

The sale of the house has to do with the murder because it's the murder scene.

And I doubt Michelle's 401(k) was "hefty". She hadn't worked at PE for that long, I imagine she couldn't afford to contribute more than the minimum required to obtain the company match (usually 3%), and most companies don't match until the 2nd year of employment.

JMO

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I have to agree with you, Barbara, you certainly don't think. I have never indicated my profession on this forum and you have no idea of my identity so please stop pretending you do. Thanks. [/*]

I would have to guess your profession to be message boad poster, I don't know what other kind of job you could have since you're on here 24/7. BTW, in my opinion Barbara2 thinks CIRCLES around you

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Danica

I would have to guess your profession to be message boad poster, I don't know what other kind of job you could have since you're on here 24/7. BTW, in my opinion Barbara2 thinks CIRCLES around you [/*]

OH Whaaaaaa, stop whining, stop trying to get the board shut down

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:18 PM

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That's what I hear, yes.

:biggrin: [/*]

Interject that mysterious "someone" once again. Old reliable, prolly more like a figment of your imagination when you need a backup. Laughable

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

LE won't even name Jason a suspect and I think that is odd. [/*]

If they're not completely ready for trial that would be why. Once they charge him, the clock starts ticking. They have to be sure of an airtight case, wouldn't want him getting off on a technicality
jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Danica

If they're not completely ready for trial that would be why. Once they charge him, the clock starts ticking. They have to be sure of an airtight case, wouldn't want him getting off on a technicality
jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose: [/*]

I don't believe they have to charge him to name him as a suspect. I may be wrong....

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:34 PM

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

No, Jason and Michelle Young's PROPERTY has been the focus of search warrants. You can't seem to grasp the concept. Their house, cars, deck, cell phones, computer......... [/*]

They are investigating a murder, Michelle Youngs murder. Do you really believe they are searching thru MY and JYs belongings to see if Michelle is the murderer ? You are grasping at straws jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:45 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by annalyzer

OH Whaaaaaa, stop whining, stop trying to get the board shut down [/*][/QUOT

Are you all right ?

Danica

04-12-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Meredith told LE she was sent over by Jason to pick up a print out but it remains to be seen whether Meredith told LE the truth.

jmo [/*]

If Meredith had been untruthful about ANYTHING we'd have seen some sign of it. Either a search warrant in her name or she'd have been arrested. Sorry, all the search warrants focused on Jason Young, sorry...jmo

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Danica
[QUOTE]Originally posted by annalyzer

OH Whaaaaaa, stop whining, stop trying to get the board shut down [/*][/QUOT

Are you all right ? [/*]

Oh gee, I'm sorry. I was just repeating what you said to me the other night. Were you all right then?

Danica

04-12-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Oh gee, I'm sorry. I was just repeating what you said to me the other night. Were you all right then? [/*]

Yes

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I am glad that the house has been sold now that energy can be put into his work and daughter. it has to be a load lifted off his back. Now if LE will stop waiting for the murderer to knock on the Sheriffs door and confess maybe they will find who murdered his beautiful wife and daughters mother. [/*]

What is Jason doing to find his wife and son's killer? Has he put out a reward or anything to encourage a witness to come forward? Has he created a website dedicated to Michelle and asking for help in finding her murderer? Also has he bought a headstone for Michelle's grave yet? And has he collected the one million dollar LI policy yet and if not, why? One million dollars would go a long way in helping to solve this murder.

Or is Jason just sitting back hoping this will all go away? :chicken:

Danica

04-12-2008, 01:40 PM

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Not sure where you get that theory, but what do you call 13 search warrants? Is that sitting waiting for the murderer to come to them ? They drove 5 hours with SBI to Brevard/Etowah to search Jasons'
families homes in Feb. [/*]

My question is what on earth did they expect to find after all this time? :confused:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

My question is what on earth did they expect to find after all this time? :confused: [/*]

If LE was pursuing a theory Jason was the killer and staged it to give the impression jewelry was missing, he'd still have the jewelry.

jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

If LE was pursuing a theory Jason was the killer and staged it to give the impression jewelry was missing, he'd still have the jewelry.

jmo [/*]

That would be pretty stupid on his part, imo. I don't believe LE thinks he's stupid.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

You need to confer with your retired hero again :rolleyes: [/*]

I already know how this one will end. :biggrin:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

You are correct , LE is pursuing a theory Jason was the killer. [/*]

only in your dreams.

I wonder whatever happened to the magnet militia.... They were soooooo
helpful to not solving this case.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

only in your dreams.

I wonder whatever happened to the magnet militia.... They were soooooo
helpful to not solving this case. [/*]

Why would you want to ridicule a group of Michelle's friends and neighbors who cared enough to try to keep this case in the public eye?

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

That would be pretty stupid on his part, imo. I don't believe LE thinks he's stupid. [/*]

With all due respect, you're not a very good judge of LE's intelligence. Throwing away thousands of dollars of jewelry you legally own would be pretty stupid and LE is well aware of that fact.

If LE had found the jewelry, it wouldn't be illegal for Jason to have it, it would be proof the jewelry isn't missing.

A theft makes this a death penalty case.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

With all due respect, you're not a very good judge of LE's intelligence. Throwing away thousands of dollars of jewelry you legally own would be pretty stupid and LE is well aware of that fact.

If LE had found the jewelry, it wouldn't be illegal for Jason to have it, it would be proof the jewelry isn't missing.

A theft makes this a death penalty case. [/*]

I wasn't judging LE's intelligence; I was speculating as to their opinion of Jason's.

And I don't think Jason's stupid either, so I don't believe he'd have thrown it away. I do believe that, IF there IS any and IF he has it, he wouldn't keep it at his mother's/sister's home where it could be discovered.

But I'm not convinced there's any jewelry of real value at all.

JMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Why would you want to ridicule a group of Michelle's friends and neighbors who cared enough to try to keep this case in the public eye? [/*]

I asked where they are now. 17+ months and they've disappeared. :shrug:

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 03:10 PM

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I wasn't judging LE's intelligence; I was speculating as to their opinion of Jason's.

And I don't think Jason's stupid either, so I don't believe he'd have thrown it away. I do believe that, IF there IS any and IF he has it, he wouldn't keep it at his mother's/sister's home where it could be discovered.

But I'm not convinced there's any jewelry of real value at all.

JMO [/*]

Why would Jason care if jewelry is "discovered"? He owns it.

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would Jason care if jewelry is "discovered"? He owns it. [/*]

What if he is trying to give the impression that it was "stolen"?

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would Jason care if jewelry is "discovered"? He owns it. [/*]

"If LE was pursuing a theory Jason was the killer and staged it to give the impression jewelry was missing, he'd still have the jewelry."

I thought you meant their theory was Jason staged it. Are you implying LE staged it? You are not making any sense.
:confused:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Why would you think he threw it away? Not found isn't the same as no longer possessing it. [/*]

I don't believe he threw anything away.
It wasn't found in a search of his possessions because he doesn't possess it.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

"If LE was pursuing a theory Jason was the killer and staged it to give the impression jewelry was missing, he'd still have the jewelry."

I thought you meant their theory was Jason staged it. Are you implying LE staged it? You are not making any sense.
:confused: [/*]

I did mean their theory was Jason staged it.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

What if he is trying to give the impression that it was "stolen"? [/*]

He has given no such impression to LE. He's not talking, remember?

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

She talks in circles and rarely makes a valid point. [/*]

rarely is better than never. Not interested in your bait.

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I already know how this one will end. :biggrin: [/*]

Sure you do, maybe LE would be interested in the fact that you have solved this murder. Hmmmmm...yep a pig just flew by my window

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

If LE was pursuing a theory Jason was the killer and staged it to give the impression jewelry was missing, he'd still have the jewelry.

jmo [/*]

IIRC you were the one that started the rumor that Linda Fisher and Meredith stole Michelles' rings/jewelry. You need to keep your bs straight so you don't make an even bigger fool of yourself. jmo

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

only in your dreams.

I wonder whatever happened to the magnet militia.... They were soooooo
helpful to not solving this case. [/*]

Oh, isn't that sweet. You've expanded your bashing to Michelles' co workers and friends now. How bout checking your facts once in a while...the magnet militias' purpose was to get the message out there. Kinda like a flier only better. You are sad

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I asked where they are now. 17+ months and they've disappeared. :shrug: [/*]

No you made a sarcastic remark about them not being much help in solving the crime. Which wasn't there purpose and like you always say isn't that LE job ?

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I don't believe he threw anything away.
It wasn't found in a search of his possessions because he doesn't possess it. [/*]

And you know that how ? Oh wait, not the "mysterious" someone again ?

Danica

04-12-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I did mean their theory was Jason staged it. [/*]

Don't your handlers work on Saturdays ?

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Danica

No you made a sarcastic remark about them not being much help in solving the crime. Which wasn't there purpose and like you always say isn't that LE job ? [/*]

She doesn't know if they were helpful or not. I don't think that LE is sharing with message board posters if a tip came in that has helped in the investigation. At least the friends and co-workers wanted to do something to help. If nothing else, it honored the memory of Michelle. That is not a bad thing.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

She doesn't know if they were helpful or not. I don't think that LE is sharing with message board posters if a tip came in that has helped in the investigation. At least the friends and co-workers wanted to do something to help. If nothing else, it honored the memory of Michelle. That is not a bad thing. [/*]

You are responding to a particularly gaseous poster I have on ignore so I'm just guessing by "she" you are referring to me?

In my opinion, those tiny magnets weren't helpful to LE and were a waste of money. Nearly a year later, the case hasn't been solved. Seems to me, if friends wanted to honor the memory of Michelle, they'd do something a little more classy in tribute. Creating a cheap magnet--and publicizing the hokey name the gave themselves--didn't honor Michelle. In my opinion, it trivialized her.

jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You are responding to a particularly gaseous poster I have on ignore so I'm just guessing by "she" you are referring to me?

In my opinion, those tiny magnets weren't helpful to LE and were a waste of money. Nearly a year later, the case hasn't been solved. Seems to me, if friends wanted to honor the memory of Michelle, they'd do something a little more classy in tribute. Creating a cheap magnet--and publicizing the hokey name the gave themselves--didn't honor Michelle. In my opinion, it trivialized her.

jmo [/*]

So you think their money would have been better spent for something else? Oh, I know - a headstone???

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

So you think their money would have been better spent for something else? Oh, I know - a headstone??? [/*]

no, a headstone would probably attract even more creeps and ghouls to her gravesite.

A scholarship to NCSU is more in line.

jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

no, a headstone would probably attract even more creeps and ghouls to her gravesite.

A scholarship to NCSU is more in line.

jmo [/*]

I think that's the first time I've ever heard grieving friends and family referred to as creeps and ghouls. What a disturbing perspective on your part.

JMO

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You are responding to a particularly gaseous poster I have on ignore so I'm just guessing by "she" you are referring to me?

In my opinion, those tiny magnets weren't helpful to LE and were a waste of money. Nearly a year later, the case hasn't been solved. Seems to me, if friends wanted to honor the memory of Michelle, they'd do something a little more classy in tribute. Creating a cheap magnet--and publicizing the hokey name the gave themselves--didn't honor Michelle. In my opinion, it trivialized her.

jmo [/*]

I disagree. I think that Michelle was honored very tastefully. Do you think that the troops are being "trivialized" by the yellow ribbon "cheap" magnets? What about breast cancer survivors? "Trivialized" by those "cheap" pink ribbon magnets?

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think that's the first time I've ever heard grieving friends and family referred to as creeps and ghouls. What a disturbing perspective on your part.

JMO [/*]

I didn't say that in my post.

The disturbing perspective is your creation.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I didn't say that in my post.

The disturbing perspective is your creation. [/*]

Sorry, no.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I disagree. I think that Michelle was honored very tastefully. Do you think that the troops are being "trivialized" by the yellow ribbon "cheap" magnets? What about breast cancer survivors? "Trivialized" by those "cheap" pink ribbon magnets? [/*]

Not the same thing at all, imo. Those magnets for the troops aren't in memory of dead troops they are in support of live troops and ditto the breast cancer survivors. Those magents also aren't given away free, they are a form of fund-raising.

Barbara2

04-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Not the same thing at all, imo. Those magnets for the troops aren't in memory of dead troops they are in support of live troops and ditto the breast cancer survivors. Those magents also aren't given away free, they are a form of fund-raising. [/*]

I don't see where NOT asking for money shows disrespect. If those magnets produced even one tip that led investigators in the direction of evidence that will help put the killer behind bars, it is worth the money and the effort. I want to see the killer prosecuted. I would think that is one thing we could all agree on.

Jules2

04-12-2008, 04:38 PM

IIRC, the magnets were given away for free and paid for by the people who generously gave them away for a very good cause. No fund raiser.....just an awareness raiser.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I don't see where NOT asking for money shows disrespect. If those magnets produced even one tip that led investigators in the direction of evidence that will help put the killer behind bars, it is worth the money and the effort. I want to see the killer prosecuted. I would think that is one thing we could all agree on. [/*]

We certainly do agree that we want the killer behind bars. I seriously doubt a small magnet portraying Michelle as a fugitive from justice helped produce a single valuable tip. No telling how much time LE wasted chasing down tips of attempted drownings, ring swallowing, mallets in the yard, etc.

jmo

Jules2

04-12-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

We certainly do agree that we want the killer behind bars. I seriously doubt a small magnet portraying Michelle as a fugitive from justice helped produce a single valuable tip. No telling how much time LE wasted chasing down tips of attempted drownings, ring swallowing, mallets in the yard, etc.

jmo [/*]

Portraying Michelle as a fugitive from justice????

You have sunk to an all time low.

Danica

04-12-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie
And they are returned with big red letters saying RETURN TO SENDER. :lol: [/*]

:beer:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

We certainly do agree that we want the killer behind bars. I seriously doubt a small magnet portraying Michelle as a fugitive from justice helped produce a single valuable tip. No telling how much time LE wasted chasing down tips of attempted drownings, ring swallowing, mallets in the yard, etc.

jmo [/*]

I'm sure the time wasted on those things pales in comparison to the time they wasted trying to determine her nightly routine.

JMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I'm sure the time wasted on those things pales in comparison to the time they wasted trying to determine her nightly routine.

JMO [/*]

Why would they need to determine her nightly routine? Knowing whether she first brushed her teeth and then removed her contacts or the other way around wouldn't help LE find the killer.

:shrug:

Danica

04-12-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

We certainly do agree that we want the killer behind bars. I seriously doubt a small magnet portraying Michelle as a fugitive from justice helped produce a single valuable tip. No telling how much time LE wasted chasing down tips of attempted drownings, ring swallowing, mallets in the yard, etc.

jmo [/*]

How on earth do you come up with "Michelle is a fugitive from justice"?
What crime did she commit may I ask, and how is she a fugitive? You are seriously deranged and should seek help immediately. jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would they need to determine her nightly routine? Knowing whether she first brushed her teeth and then removed her contacts or the other way around wouldn't help LE find the killer.

:shrug: [/*]

That's only part of it, and I disagree.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

That's only part of it, and I disagree. [/*]

what's the other part?

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

what's the other part? [/*]

Surely someone who spends as much time on this board as you would know the answer to that question.

JMO

Danica

04-12-2008, 05:26 PM

JustFacts/Mimiof5 is doing the usual baiting that it has always done when shown to be a fool. Asking what good knowing the nightly routiine of Michelle, and the comment about "magnet militia"
is for the purpose of pissing the posters off. Then when posters respond angrily it will run, whining to CW, who will then tire of its whining and close the board. jmo

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Surely someone who spends as much time on this board as you would know the answer to that question.

JMO [/*]

I won't know why you think LE is wasting time trying to determine Michelle's nightly routine until you tell me. Do share...

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I won't know why you think LE is wasting time trying to determine Michelle's nightly routine until you tell me. Do share... [/*]

If you don't see why LE found is necessary to determine Michelle's nightly routine, and probably wasted a great deal of time trying to obtain that information from multiple sources as opposed to the most likely source, then you must not be following this case as closely as I thought.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

If you don't see why LE found is necessary to determine Michelle's nightly routine, and probably wasted a great deal of time trying to obtain that information from multiple sources as opposed to the most likely source, then you must not be following this case as closely as I thought. [/*]

I don't know that LE has wasted any time at all determining Michelle's nightly routine. That's your claim but I don't know it to be fact. I think it would be an incredible waste of LE time. I do hope they aren't that incompetent.

Who would know Michelle's nightly routine when her husband was out of town? Her husband wouldn't know it. Her friends or family wouldn't know it. Her child was too young to know it.

:shrug:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I don't know that LE has wasted any time at all determining Michelle's nightly routine. That's your claim but I don't know it to be fact. I think it would be an incredible waste of LE time. I do hope they aren't that incompetent.

~snip~ [/*]

I really thought you were more familiar with investigative techniques than that.

:shrug:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/571385.html

"Still, investigators are frustrated with Jason Young's refusal to talk with them. Even an hour would clue in investigators to details of the family's home life that could lead to a break.

"It's those little things we just don't know," Johnson said. "I think if he talked to us, we'd get a lot of answers to things we have questions about. Was there a light always kept on? Without talking to him, we're having to go to five or six different people for one small thing. We don't know what's normal in that house. It sure would help this case.

"Has it stopped us? No. But it has slowed us down."

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I really thought you were more familiar with investigative techniques than that.

:shrug:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/571385.html

"Still, investigators are frustrated with Jason Young's refusal to talk with them. Even an hour would clue in investigators to details of the family's home life that could lead to a break.

"It's those little things we just don't know," Johnson said. "I think if he talked to us, we'd get a lot of answers to things we have questions about. Was there a light always kept on? Without talking to him, we're having to go to five or six different people for one small thing. We don't know what's normal in that house. It sure would help this case.

"Has it stopped us? No. But it has slowed us down." [/*]

I'm very familiar with investigative techniques that actually have value. Blaming Jason for slowing them down hasn't helped solve the crime.

Asking Jason questions doesn't mean Jason's going to have the answer. They may not have kept any lights on at all when he was home but she may have left some on when he traveled. He wouldn't know nor would anybody else.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm very familiar with investigative techniques that actually have value. Blaming Jason for slowing them down hasn't helped solve the crime.

Asking Jason questions doesn't mean Jason's going to have the answer. They may not have kept any lights on at all when he was home but she may have left some on when he traveled. He wouldn't know nor would anybody else. [/*]

DH knows my nightly routine whether he's home or traveling, because we talk. Maybe Jason and Michelle weren't as close.

JMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

DH knows my nightly routine whether he's home or traveling, because we talk. Maybe Jason and Michelle weren't as close.

JMO [/*]

You sound somewhat anal or perhaps insecure. I'm not and I don't believe Michelle was. I imagine Jason and Michelle had more important things to talk about than what lights she left on when he traveled.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You sound somewhat anal or perhaps insecure. I'm not and I don't believe Michelle was. I imagine Jason and Michelle had more important things to talk about than what lights she left on when he traveled. [/*]

I'm neither, actually, nor is DH. He's simply concerned about my safety when he's gone.

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I'm neither, actually, nor is DH. He's simply concerned about my safety when he's gone. [/*]

hey, if you and your husband think leaving a light on will keep you safe, that's all good. It sure didn't help Michelle if she did or didn't. If you're murdered, I don't believe that tidbit will help LE solve the crime, either.

jmo

Jules2

04-12-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You sound somewhat anal or perhaps insecure. I'm not and I don't believe Michelle was. I imagine Jason and Michelle had more important things to talk about than what lights she left on when he traveled. [/*]

Communicating with one's spouse to the point of knowing their daily routine is neither anal nor is it being insecure. It's called knowing one another because you are partners, friends and devoted, loving caring individuals.

This is why Jason probably had no clue what his wife did on a daily basis, which is probably another reason why he's not talking.:shrug:

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

hey, if you and your husband think leaving a light on will keep you safe, that's all good. It sure didn't help Michelle if she did or didn't. If you're murdered, I don't believe that tidbit will help LE solve the crime, either.

jmo [/*]

Neither of us is that naive, but it seems to give him comfort.

And I don't think that tidbit would necessarily solve the crime, but I do think it would help LE in their interpretation of the crime scene.

JMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Neither of us is that naive, but it seems to give him comfort.

And I don't think that tidbit would necessarily solve the crime, but I do think it would help LE in their interpretation of the crime scene.

JMO [/*]

Fortunately for me, my husband was well past the need for comfort from a night light when I married him.

The lights in that bedroom were either on or off when LE got there. Michelle could have turned them on or off, the killer could have or even the child. LE views the crime scene in real time. They aren't supposed to interpret it any other way.

17+ months later, they haven't managed to solve the crime. Speaks volumes as to their investigative abilities.

jmo

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Fortunately for me, my husband was well past the need for comfort from a night light when I married him.

The lights in that bedroom were either on or off when LE got there. Michelle could have turned them on or off, the killer could have or even the child. LE views the crime scene in real time. They aren't supposed to interpret it any other way.

17+ months later, they haven't managed to solve the crime. Speaks volumes as to their investigative abilities.

jmo [/*]

You know, and I know, that you twisted what I said. I hope it gives you satisfaction; you seem to need it.

JMO

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

You know, and I know, that you twisted what I said. I hope it gives you satisfaction; you seem to need it.

JMO [/*]

That's your interpretation, not mine.

Cardinal

04-12-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That's your interpretation, not mine. [/*]

Whatever :seeya:

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Fortunately for me, my husband was well past the need for comfort from a night light when I married him.

[/*]

Teddy bear and binky sufficed?

Danica

04-12-2008, 08:45 PM

Snipped for obvious reasons from Mimi0f5 er...JustFacts post
"Fortunately for me, my husband was well past the need for comfort from a night light when I married him."
***************

Like you have a husband LOL

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer

Teddy bear and binky sufficed? [/*]

Oscar Wilde definitely not my type.
:biggrin:

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Any little thing he could tell them may help. Its so sad that he refuses to assist LE in solving his wifes murder.

His refusal to speak to LE also says Meredith had nothing to do with it. If he knew anything at all that pointed to her, he'd be screaming it from the rooftops. [/*]

........and, when most people find a dead person, you can hear them screaming from the rooftops or mountain tops.

Kat

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Any little thing he could tell them may help. Its so sad that he refuses to assist LE in solving his wifes murder.

His refusal to speak to LE also says Meredith had nothing to do with it. If he knew anything at all that pointed to her, he'd be screaming it from the rooftops. [/*]

Meredith sure has her minions screaming from the rooftops that Jason is involved and he's still not been named a suspect. There's something called PROOF that is still required.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 10:52 PM

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:02 PM

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

JF, can you explain to me what that means about a lawyer having the option to destroy NTIO results?

If he had, is that good or bad?

Ih he hasn't, is that good or bad?

tia.

Kat [/*]

It's my understanding that if the NTIO results don't result in an arrest, after a period of time the attorney can request the results be destroyed. Meaning that if LE wants to use it later, they are going to have to go back to a judge with valid probable cause to retake the information. If the results showed everything that was gathered from the crime scene is a match to Jason, he has an explanation for it--he lived there. His attorney would probably ask that it be destroyed to protect his right to privacy and due process.

If the results indicate another person was involved, there is no reason for Jason's attorney to want it destroyed. It's exculpatory for Jason in case the prosecutor comes back and attempts to charge Jason as a co-conspirator.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

no, a headstone would probably attract even more creeps and ghouls to her gravesite.

A scholarship to NCSU is more in line.

jmo [/*]

I always thought a scholarship in Michelle's name would be something that would last and honor her forever.

Sign me up.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Why don't you initiate that? I am sure there would be a lot of people here who would contribute. [/*]

I hope that Michelle's friends and sorority sistas do that for her someday.

I don't think it is my place, but I would contribute to it or to a fund for Cassidy to go to college there someday.

I do know who I would not put in charge of collecting the money this time though.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

It's my understanding that if the NTIO results don't result in an arrest, after a period of time the attorney can request the results be destroyed. Meaning that if LE wants to use it later, they are going to have to go back to a judge with valid probable cause to retake the information. If the results showed everything that was gathered from the crime scene is a match to Jason, he has an explanation for it--he lived there. His attorney would probably ask that it be destroyed to protect his right to privacy and due process.

If the results indicate another person was involved, there is no reason for Jason's attorney to want it destroyed. It's exculpatory for Jason in case the prosecutor comes back and attempts to charge Jason as a co-conspirator.

jmo [/*]

Thanx, JF.
This is something I never understood.
So, in this case now does this work for or against Jason?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by FaithHope

There's a contract on the house, but nothing has been finalized yet.
In other words, it's not a done deal. [/*]

Thanxxx, Bud.

I wouldn't stay in that house for a nite , and I wouldn't live there for free.

In fact, Michelle is much braver than me to have stayed alone in that big house over nite.

I hate being alone at nite,

Scaredy~Kat

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thanx, JF.
This is something I never understood.
So, in this case now does this work for or against Jason?

Kat [/*]

In this case, the attorney didn't request JY's DNA be destroyed.

That's a positive for Jason.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Well, then maybe there is something else you all could do to keep LE focused on the case since none of you approved of the magnets. [/*]

Well, I do have to disagree with my Board sista on this one.

I happened to think the magnets or anything used to keep the case and Michelle's name out there, is good.
And, if it made people feel good to do something, that was a plus too.
There is nothing worse than feeling helpless when you lose someone you love.

Sorry, JF, the other 99% I am with you!!

:)

Kat

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thanxxx, Bud.

I wouldn't stay in that house for a nite , and I wouldn't live there for free.

In fact, Michelle is much braver than me to have stayed alone in that big house over nite.

I hate being alone at nite,

Scaredy~Kat [/*]

Michelle wasn't alone. Her daughter was there and so was her dog.

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Michelle wasn't alone. Her daughter was there and so was her dog. [/*]

I would still be scared....
I would need a SWAT TEAM to stay in that house, all those windows and doors and the woods, and I am scaring myself.
;)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-12-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

In this case, the attorney didn't request JY's DNA be destroyed.

That's a positive for Jason.

jmo [/*]

Thanxx JF..you are one smart cookie.

:)

Kat

annalyzer

04-12-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I would still be scared....
I would need a SWAT TEAM to stay in that house, all those windows and doors and the woods, and I am scaring myself.
;)

Kat [/*]

That's when you need real guard dogs. And a loaded gun never hurts either. ;)

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Well, I do have to disagree with my Board sista on this one.

I happened to think the magnets or anything used to keep the case and Michelle's name out there, is good.
And, if it made people feel good to do something, that was a plus too.
There is nothing worse than feeling helpless when you lose someone you love.

Sorry, JF, the other 99% I am with you!!

:)

Kat [/*]

hey, I respect your opinion. I have no problem with efforts to keep a case in the news but the magnets didn't accomplish that. The Nielsens have done a great job without resorting to tacky magnets and hokey nicknames.

jmo

Jules2

04-12-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

hey, I respect your opinion. I have no problem with efforts to keep a case in the news but the magnets didn't accomplish that. The Nielsens have done a great job without resorting to tacky magnets and hokey nicknames.

jmo [/*]

I happen to think the magnets were far from tacky and I'm sure you'll respect my opinion as well. ;)

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

I sense from your post you also think LE needs a reminder that the murderer is NOT going to walk in Donnie's office and confess.
Issuing a couple search warrants every 6 months or so is just not going to convince his voters he is doing his job.His dept.screwed this case up from the beginning and he can blame JY using his constitutional rights for just so long. One day he is going to have to take responsibility for where this cases is today.
Jason is NOT to blame for his employees negligence in doing a proper investigation of the crime scene.
There is a old saying in the military,Lead,follow or get the hell out of the way. Sheriff Donnie is doing none of the three.
I repeat,the FBI needs to come in and investigate this agency from top to bottom. [/*]

ITA. Excellent post, HI!
The NC Attorney General does have the authority to step in and investigate. It would not surprise me if Jason's attorney makes such a request.

jmo

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Unless you are willing to stand up and do something, you have not right to sit back and criticize those who make an attempt. [/*]

yes, I do have the right to criticize.

:patriot:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Of course you do. But show us what YOU have done. According to you, we have the right to criticize you too.

:patriot: [/*]

no, I didn't say that. I'm not the topic of this forum.

:no:

JustFacts

04-12-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

That appears to be all you are capable of.:lol: [/*]

appearances can be deceptive. :biggrin:

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Speaking of the dog,most people walk their dog just before going to bed at night. Did someone go into the house and hide while she was busy with the dog? Did she forget to lock the door when she went back inside the house. Maybe she heard Cassie and quickly took off the leash and went up stairs to her forgetting about locking it? So many questions and no Jason could NOT answer this question. Maybe Jason was calling when she walked back in the door and she hurried to answer the phone. Random or not random,who knows? [/*]

Good point. Of course, the GA friend was there so she would know the circumstances of her departure and if the dog was outside at that point. Michelle may have stepped out with Mr. G to see her off that night.

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

ITA. Excellent post, HI!
The NC Attorney General does have the authority to step in and investigate. It would not surprise me if Jason's attorney makes such a request.

jmo [/*]

I would be shocked if these 2/14 s/w's turn up anything either.
What are they after, that they didn't see , check, have access to, or know about before?
Now , if all these or any search warrants produced something , anything, don't you think we would have heard even a whisper about it?
Almost 2 months later, and the leads, tips on the latest s/w's, all seem to hit a dead~end again.
As long as 14 months ago, I was saying that it does not take this long to build a case with even the little we knew back then.
No one wants to admit that something , somewhere in this investigation is wrong.

So, let me ask you this.........

What about this investigation seems right to you?
What gives you hope and confidence that it will be solved anytime soon?
You don't think there isn't any second guessing or head~banging going on in the so ~called war room?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Speaking of the dog,most people walk their dog just before going to bed at night. Did someone go into the house and hide while she was busy with the dog? Did she forget to lock the door when she went back inside the house. Maybe she heard Cassie and quickly took off the leash and went up stairs to her forgetting about locking it? So many questions and no Jason could NOT answer this question. Maybe Jason was calling when she walked back in the door and she hurried to answer the phone. Random or not random,who knows? [/*]

I have asked that myself.
Michelle may have let Mr. G out for awhile, left the door open, and someone could have come in and hid until she fell asleep.
We just don't know.

Kat

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I would be shocked if these 2/14 s/w's turn up anything either.
What are they after, that they didn't see , check, have access to, or know about before?
Now , if all these or any search warrants produced something , anything, don't you think we would have heard even a whisper about it?
Almost 2 months later, and the leads, tips on the latest s/w's, all seem to hit a dead~end again.
As long as 14 months ago, I was saying that it does not take this long to build a case with even the little we knew back then.
No one wants to admit that something , somewhere in this investigation is wrong.

So, let me ask you this.........

What about this investigation seems right to you?
What gives you hope and confidence that it will be solved anytime soon?
You don't think there isn't any second guessing or head~banging going on in the so ~called war room?

Kat [/*]

What seems right is that an outside investigator was brought in from the state and the 2/14 warrants were done because they shoulda been done immediately after the murder. Better late than never. As they move toward an indictment of someone else, they have to eliminate Jason as a suspect to the satisfaction of the DA.

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Only JY can answer the questions of Michelle's nightly routine. [/*]

People don't always have the exact same nite time habits.
Some nights are later than others.
If Michelle was planning on sleeping in a little later until her doctor app't, she may have stayed up a little longer.
Maybe she watched tv, read a book, or was on the computer,
Maybe she did get scared, and was uneasy left alone, and had all the lights on on nites when Jason was gone.

How would Jason know that?

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
IMO a lot of how do we COA going on. [/*]

Hi Hi~C......

I don't know but there could be a lot of finger~pointing.
How do you explain not bringing in a guy until 5-6 days later?
Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

But if anyone came near the house, the dog would have barked.

Think about it Kat, you yourself said you'd be scared in a house that big alone. My home is about the size of Michelle's. I let my dog out and stand at the door waiting for him. He would bark if there was anyone "lurking" out there and certainly no one would come into my home without me knowing. [/*]

Look how big the yard was.
Mr. G could have went to the farthest point in the back, the killer was somewhere closer, maybe Mr. G did bark, and Michelle just dismissed it as nothing.

Good debate though, Tia.
:shrug:

Kat

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Only JY can answer the questions of Michelle's nightly routine. [/*]

JY can't answer questions about Michelle's nightly routine when he's out of town. I seriously doubt Michelle routinely had a guest until 10:30 PM.

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

But if anyone came near the house, the dog would have barked.

Think about it Kat, you yourself said you'd be scared in a house that big alone. My home is about the size of Michelle's. I let my dog out and stand at the door waiting for him. He would bark if there was anyone "lurking" out there and certainly no one would come into my home without me knowing. [/*]

We do not know what time the killer entered the house. The dog may have barked. Someone did post here who said the dog appeared to be injured.

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

He would know her "basic" routine. My husband knows mine and could at least give a summation of what I most likely did that night. [/*]

Yes, but will you admit that people are subject to change?
That some unexpected event can change plans.
I don't have a schedule that pins me down to doing everything always at the same, like being on this Message Board right now later than usual tonite, cause no one is fighting and the discussion is going good.

Yayyy us.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

JY can't answer questions about Michelle's nightly routine when he's out of town. I seriously doubt Michelle routinely had a guest until 10:30 PM. [/*]

Exactly.!!

When Michelle had company, her schedule varied from the norm.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

But she had a basic schedule she followed. I still think he could offer something to LE. [/*]

The basic shedule for anyone would be to get ready for bed, brush your teeth, pj's, etc.

We know she had put C down hours earlier

Why was Michelle still dressed?

Did she lay down, and fall asleep without getting dressed for bed?

TV in their bedroom?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-13-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Thank you for your patience with me tonight Tiaz,and as I said last night,I do respect your opinions. Now I have to get to bed,I have a birthday party to attend tomorrow.
GNE1 [/*]

Nite Hi~C, I am out too.

Hope we can continue this with the same amount of respect and courtesy we have had tonite.
Sure makes it easier to get further along in the case without any of the unnecessary stuff.

Nite.
:)
Kat

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Exactly.!!

When Michelle had company, her schedule varied from the norm.

Kat [/*]

yes, but I bet that old dog's schedule didn't vary. Please remember that Meredith let the dog out FRONT and then claimed to 911 that he was "freaking out" when she got there. Why didn't she let him into the fenced yard? If he was freaking out because he had to go to the bathroom, he would be freaking out next to the door he was used to being let out. CY was tall enough to open doors to let the dog outside. I bet those first responders were not even aware the Young's had a dog. No bloody paw prints or dog accidents were in that house and there should have been.

jmo

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Yes, I would admit that. My schedule could be subject to change. But. my husband would still know exactly HOW I let the dog out at night, what lights I left on, etc.........

JY has a lot of info that may help LE. [/*]

LE admitted a year ago they were getting the answers to their questions from others. The case still isn't solved.

jmo

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Maybe he was at the front door when she arrived and she just let him go??? I can only go from my experience with my dog, he will go to any door to get out if he has to go. If he is an older dog, there may have been no accidents. My dog would never go in the house, he'd wait.......he'd be miserable and "freaking out", but he'd wait. [/*]

We have an older part lab and she has had accidents if too much time elapses moreso than the younger dogs. The Young's dog was in their wedding so I doubt they were the type to get too angry if the dog had an accident in the house.

I've never heard of any dog able to go 15 or more hours without needing to relieve himself. Especially when there is food and water available in the house and I've been told, there was.

jmo

annalyzer

04-13-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

We have an older part lab and she has had accidents if too much time elapses moreso than the younger dogs. The Young's dog was in their wedding so I doubt they were the type to get too angry if the dog had an accident in the house.

I've never heard of any dog able to go 15 or more hours without needing to relieve himself. Especially when there is food and water available in the house and I've been told, there was.

jmo [/*]

The dog may have peed on some carpet. Who knows?

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by annalyzer

The dog may have peed on some carpet. Who knows? [/*]

It would noticeably smell.

JustFacts

04-13-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by TIAZ

Honestly, my dog would. And trust me, I KNOW I am lucky that he is like that!

I have had to work late at times and I have never come home to a mess, just a freaking out dog.

Maybe because he is bigger? Mine is part lab too, shepherd and lab mix. [/*]

we've never left our dogs in the house for 15 hours. We've had accidents after seven hours. My vet told me dogs are no different than people. The bladder can only hold so much and then it spills out involuntarily.