Michelle Young Continued

[JHP]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


People don't always have the exact same nite time habits.
Some nights are later than others.
If Michelle was planning on sleeping in a little later until her doctor app't, she may have stayed up a little longer.
Maybe she watched tv, read a book, or was on the computer,
Maybe she did get scared, and was uneasy left alone, and had all the lights on on nites when Jason was gone.

How would Jason know that?

:shrug:

Kat [/*]
Why wouldn't Jason know that?

When my husband was out of town, I would let my little one sleep with me. I wonder if Michelle did that. I bet Jason knows that much. I hope Cassidy wasn't right there when Michelle was killed.

JMO

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by zed
What I'm saying is that the smell of human blood must be powerful for a dog, and it would want to get out of the house. Wasn't it said during the Peterson trial that a dog's nose is 22 or more times sensitive than people? The dog's master was murdered. Wouldn't that cause a dog to freak out?

How can you reduce it to whether the animal had peed or not? [/*]

A dog is attracted to the smell of blood. He would not have wanted to get out of the house. Although a disturbing thought, he would have been drawn to Michelle's body.

Was he able to climb the stairs? Was the door closed to the bedroom? If there were no paw prints in the room what kept him from going inside?

So was he freaking out because he could not get in the room?

Sils

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Excellent point, Silsbee. I've never understood the discussion about the dog not relieving himself either. How would anyone know that ? Where did that come from ? Wasn't the LE in the house for 2 weeks investigating the crime scene ? [/*]

Hi aggie,
I think his freaking out had more to do with Michelle and not about relieving himself. I have always wondered why there was no mention of paw prints. If he had been able to get to Michelle he would have disturbed the crime scene.

So was he blocked in some way?

Sils

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Silsbee


Hi aggie,
I think his freaking out had more to do with Michelle and not about relieving himself. I have always wondered why there was no mention of paw prints. If he had been able to get to Michelle he would have disturbed the crime scene.

So was he blocked in some way?

Sils [/*]

No mention by whom? Meredith mentioned little footprints all over the house so it's possible there were dogprints too. I've never seen a statement from LE saying otherwise.

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by annalyzer


No mention by whom? Meredith mentioned little footprints all over the house so it's possible there were dogprints too. I've never seen a statement from LE saying otherwise. [/*]

MEREDITH: There's...there's like blood footprints all over the house from her daugther...like her daughter's little footprints.

911 transcript (http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/2007/02/merediths-911-call.html)

It doesn't sound like she saw any paw prints. It's just an opinion but I don't think the dog went in that room. If he had; I believe he would have been covered in blood from rolling in it. If Meredith saw him covered in blood I think that she would have mentioned that to the 911 operator since she mentioned he was freaking out.

Sils

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Silsbee


If Meredith saw him covered in blood I think that she would have mentioned that to the 911 operator since she mentioned he was freaking out.

Sils [/*]

She didn't even mention her sister's wounds, just said there's blood everywhere, so that could have included the dog and dog prints. I don't necessarily believe that the dog would have rolled in the blood. He may have sniffed at the body and nothing else.

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by annalyzer


She didn't even mention her sister's wounds, just said there's blood everywhere, so that could have included the dog and dog prints. I don't necessarily believe that the dog would have rolled in the blood. He may have sniffed at the body and nothing else. [/*]


I believe this based on what I have seen dogs do when around dead animals. That may be disturbing but it does happen. If he didn't roll I do believe he did more than sniff. Dogs are very attracted to the scent of blood and death.

I'm not so sure Meredith could see her sister's wounds.

So do you believe that Mr G. had access to the bedroom and did go inside?

Sils

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Silsbee


[/i]

911 transcript (http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/2007/02/merediths-911-call.html)

It doesn't sound like she saw any paw prints. It's just an opinion but I don't think the dog went in that room. If he had; I believe he would have been covered in blood from rolling in it. If Meredith saw him covered in blood I think that she would have mentioned that to the 911 operator since she mentioned he was freaking out.

Sils [/*]

Something else that bothers me about the call, is when she asks if she should not touch anything.

She goes from one minute asking C if she fell, to the realization it might all of a sudden be a crime scene?

When and why does she determine that?
How did she jump to that conclusion?

And, it makes all the other arguments more valid about the possibility of her and C still being in danger.

And, the remark about the pillow.!!

I always wondered if this was supposed to be a soft kill for those who think Jason planned it, why didn't he just try to smother her?

Pillow over her face while she was asleep.
No blood, no mess.

C would just find her Mommy and think she was peacefully asleep.

So, can you say failed smothering, failed strangulation, that led to the horrific beating that led to overkill?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

More discrepancies.

On the link that you posted , Sils, I didn't see this there, but in the call, there is a time that the sister calls C her daughter.

She does not know how old Michelle is, she stumbles with that.

She does not know her telephone number.

She has to explain why she is there as if she needs a reason to come see her own sister.

She can not apparently see the same injuries that C does, that C wants to attend to.

The freaking dog is not heard anywhere on the call.

C does not seem to be upset at all.

:shrug:
Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
More discrepancies.

On the link that you posted , Sils, I didn't see this there, but in the call, there is a time that the sister calls C her daughter.


Kat [/*]

I read that on someone's blog a long time ago. Where in the call does she say that?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
More discrepancies.

On the link that you posted , Sils, I didn't see this there, but in the call, there is a time that the sister calls C her daughter.

She does not know how old Michelle is, she stumbles with that.

She does not know her telephone number.

She has to explain why she is there as if she needs a reason to come see her own sister.

She can not apparently see the same injuries that C does, that C wants to attend to.

The freaking dog is not heard anywhere on the call.

C does not seem to be upset at all.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

All of that can be explained away. I would stumble too under stress with ages and phone numbers. She may have felt the need to explain why she was there because it was so unusual for her to be called to go there to retrieve something for Jason. The child may have been just reacting to blood and not necessarily any certain injuries. Also the child had more time to examine her mother for boo boos if Meredith had just arrived and dialed 911 before checking her sister's condition. The dog wasn't heard because he was happily outside doing his business once Meredith let him out. And the child was calmed by her aunt's arrival, presence and behaviour enough to stay calm herself. :shrug:

I think Meredith was evasive in the 911 call, why I don't know. It could be only shock like so many have suggested.

Jason has something to hide or else he would've been cooperative with LE IMO. Let's hear from him so we can analyze what he has to say. ;)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I read that on someone's blog a long time ago. Where in the call does she say that? [/*]

Yes, more than once Meredith tells the dispatcher that she is "here with her daughter" (LOL, meaning Michelle's daughter, the victim being discussed in the 911 call.)


1)

DISPATCHER: Meredith, listen to me please.

MEREDITH: Yeah.

DISPATCHER: Are you with the patient now?

MEREDITH: Yes and her daughter. And…she’s…

2)

DISPATCHER: Okay. Listen to me. Did you see what happened?

MEREDITH: I don’t know. Cassidy, come here, sweetie. I’m here with her daughter.

DISPATCHER: Okay.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JaneTruth
I never heard that on the call [/*]

You never heard what?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, more than once Meredith tells the dispatcher that she is "here with her daughter" (LOL, meaning Michelle's daughter, the victim being discussed in the 911 call.)


1)

DISPATCHER: Meredith, listen to me please.

MEREDITH: Yeah.

DISPATCHER: Are you with the patient now?

MEREDITH: Yes and her daughter. And…she’s…

2)

DISPATCHER: Okay. Listen to me. Did you see what happened?

MEREDITH: I don’t know. Cassidy, come here, sweetie. I’m here with her daughter.

DISPATCHER: Okay. [/*]

Hey Hey Paula! I thought the implication was that MF says Cassidy is her daughter which would mean she said, "I'm here with my daughter". I never heard that on the call.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JaneTruth
These people who analyze and re-analyze that 911 call seem to have never had to deal with a situation like that. [/*]

We hear 911 calls all the time in these murder cases. Most people have not had to deal with a situation like that but that does not mean we haven't heard 911 calls made in similiar situations. In each case the 911 call is analyzed over and over, the 911 call in the Cynthia Sommer case for example.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Silsbee


A dog is attracted to the smell of blood. He would not have wanted to get out of the house. Although a disturbing thought, he would have been drawn to Michelle's body.

Was he able to climb the stairs? Was the door closed to the bedroom? If there were no paw prints in the room what kept him from going inside?

So was he freaking out because he could not get in the room?

Sils [/*]

CY could get in the room so there was nothing preventing the dog from doing the same thing. Nothing to freak out about. Meredith's comment is suspicious, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Excellent point, Silsbee. I've never understood the discussion about the dog not relieving himself either. How would anyone know that ? Where did that come from ? Wasn't the LE in the house for 2 weeks investigating the crime scene ? [/*]

Yes, LE was in the house for two weeks but how were they supposed to know the dog was inside the house at the time of the murder? He was let outside before LE arrived.

jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


CY could get in the room so there was nothing preventing the dog from doing the same thing. Nothing to freak out about. Meredith's comment is suspicious, imo. [/*]

Jason's silence is suspicious.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Silsbee


[/i]

911 transcript (http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/2007/02/merediths-911-call.html)

It doesn't sound like she saw any paw prints. It's just an opinion but I don't think the dog went in that room. If he had; I believe he would have been covered in blood from rolling in it. If Meredith saw him covered in blood I think that she would have mentioned that to the 911 operator since she mentioned he was freaking out.

Sils [/*]

imo, Meredith mentioned the dog was freaking out for no other reason than to provide an explanation for why she put the dog outside. Friends who know the Youngs--and the dog--know the personality of the dog. I've been told he's not one to freak out about anything.

There were no bloody pawprints or CY footprints "all over the house" because neither was allowed in the bedroom. That's the conclusion of the friends and family who saw the house after it was released as a crime scene.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


She didn't even mention her sister's wounds, just said there's blood everywhere, so that could have included the dog and dog prints. I don't necessarily believe that the dog would have rolled in the blood. He may have sniffed at the body and nothing else. [/*]

To sniff at the body would require the dog to step into the bloody carpet.

jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


imo, Meredith mentioned the dog was freaking out for no other reason than to provide an explanation for why she put the dog outside. Friends who know the Youngs--and the dog--know the personality of the dog. I've been told he's not one to freak out about anything.

There were no bloody pawprints or CY footprints "all over the house" because neither was allowed in the bedroom. That's the conclusion of the friends and family who saw the house after it was released as a crime scene.

jmo [/*]

And Jason is remaing silent because?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Jason's silence is suspicious. [/*]

silence isn't evidence.
Meredith's comments are far more suspicious than Jason's silence.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


And Jason is remaing silent because? [/*]

Because he can. :patriot:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


To sniff at the body would require the dog to step into the bloody carpet.

jmo [/*]

Who's to say he didn't? And please don't provide as evidence rumors on a message board by anonymous posters.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


All of that can be explained away. I would stumble too under stress with ages and phone numbers. She may have felt the need to explain why she was there because it was so unusual for her to be called to go there to retrieve something for Jason. The child may have been just reacting to blood and not necessarily any certain injuries. Also the child had more time to examine her mother for boo boos if Meredith had just arrived and dialed 911 before checking her sister's condition. The dog wasn't heard because he was happily outside doing his business once Meredith let him out. And the child was calmed by her aunt's arrival, presence and behaviour enough to stay calm herself. :shrug:

I think Meredith was evasive in the 911 call, why I don't know. It could be only shock like so many have suggested.

Jason has something to hide or else he would've been cooperative with LE IMO. Let's hear from him so we can analyze what he has to say. ;) [/*]

You've managed to mis-analyze his silence. I think his lawyer intends to keep it that way. Silence isn't evidence.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Who's to say he didn't? And please don't provide as evidence rumors on a message board by anonymous posters. [/*]

I've been told the dog was carefully examined for blood. None there. But feel free to mis-analyze it. You're on a roll. :patriot:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You've managed to mis-analyze his silence. I think his lawyer intends to keep it that way. Silence isn't evidence.

jmo [/*]

Don't blame it on his lawyer. No one is forcing Jason to remain silent. He's :chicken: .

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I've been told the dog was carefully examined for blood. None there. But feel free to mis-analyze it. You're on a roll. :patriot: [/*]

Don't believe everything that little birdie whispers in your ear.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Something else that bothers me about the call, is when she asks if she should not touch anything.

She goes from one minute asking C if she fell, to the realization it might all of a sudden be a crime scene?

When and why does she determine that?
How did she jump to that conclusion?

And, it makes all the other arguments more valid about the possibility of her and C still being in danger.

And, the remark about the pillow.!!

I always wondered if this was supposed to be a soft kill for those who think Jason planned it, why didn't he just try to smother her?

Pillow over her face while she was asleep.
No blood, no mess.

C would just find her Mommy and think she was peacefully asleep.

So, can you say failed smothering, failed strangulation, that led to the horrific beating that led to overkill?


Kat [/*]

her question about not touching anything is a Freudian slip.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


No mention of "resulting in an arrest" in the statute:

§ 15A‑280. Return.

Within 90 days after the nontestimonial identification procedure, a return must be made to the judge who issued the order or to a judge designated in the order setting forth an inventory of the products of the nontestimonial identification procedures obtained from the person named in the affidavit. If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit or any other offense, the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted.


http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-280.html

Probable cause is the key terminology. One could offer that the failure of Jason's attorney to have the NTIO results destroyed indicates that the results provide probable cause to believe that Jason is responsible for Michelle's murder.

ETA the link to the statute. [/*]

An arrest requires probable cause, Scout. I didn't realize you weren't aware of that basic element. Read this phrase again more slowly and maybe it will sink in:

>>If, at the time of the return, probable cause does NOT exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit....<<

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Don't believe everything that little birdie whispers in your ear. [/*]

so far, the birdie has been right. 17+ months and no arrest of Jason Young and counting......:biggrin:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Don't blame it on his lawyer. No one is forcing Jason to remain silent. He's :chicken: . [/*]

Actually, I think it takes a lot of courage to remain silent. I'm sure he will find a voice when there is an arrest just as Richard Jewel did.

On the other hand, killers can't seem to keep their mouths shut.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


You're putting the cart before the horse, JF. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest, yes, but it does not necessarily result in an immediate arrest.

Jason's attorney has not succeeded in getting the NTIO results destroyed. We don't even know if an attempt has been made. It may be that it is not an option because some or all of the NTIO products implicate Jason in Michelle's murder. [/*]

GMAB. If LE had probable cause to arrest, they would have done so just as they've done in other murder cases. This was a heinous crime, not some shoplifting gig.

Jason's attorney has not attempted to get the NTIO results destroyed. There would be court filing on record if that were the case.

jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


GMAB. If LE had probable cause to arrest, they would have done so just as they've done in other murder cases. This was a heinous crime, not some shoplifting gig.

Jason's attorney has not attempted to get the NTIO results destroyed. There would be court filing on record if that were the case.

jmo [/*]

It is strange that they haven't arrested him. I've seen people convicted on less CE than there is against Jason.

But I can wait. :D

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout

~snipped for length~


And how do you explain that? Regardless of who killed Michelle, Cassidy was totally aware that her mother was badly injured. Cassidy was severely traumatized by her experience in that house even if she did not witness the attack. It's obvious that Cassidy is comforted by Meredith's presence. She speaks to Meredith openly and without apprehension and complies with Meredith's requests as best she can.

[/*]

What gives you the idea Cassidy was totally aware her mother was badly injured? It's very possible and far more probable she was referring to blood on her own feet that she wanted a washcloth to wash off. The only bloody footprints were in the hall bathroom. You know, the bathroom mentioned on the s/w that required a revisit to measure the tiles?

CY's voice did not reflect any trauma whatsoever. It would have if, indeed, she had been alone with an unresponsive Mother for hours on end. A toddler gets very fussy when they want Mommy's attention and are not getting it. A toddler is very hands on. Her little bloody handprints should have been all over the house as well as her footprints, according to the friends and family who heard the 911 call and saw the house and lack thereof for themselves.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


It is strange that they haven't arrested him. I've seen people convicted on less CE than there is against Jason.

But I can wait. :D [/*]

just don't hold your breath, okay? I'd hate to lose your valuable misanalysis.:biggrin:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


What gives you the idea Cassidy was totally aware her mother was badly injured? It's very possible and far more probable she was referring to blood on her own feet that she wanted a washcloth to wash off. [/*]

Uh, when she says, "She's got boo boos everywhere..".

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Sundog


Just cause there has not been an arrest does not mean LE does not have PC to do so. :rolleyes:

"It takes a lot of self-discipline not to just jump at something where there might be probable cause but to get all of the information out and make sure they don't go off half-cocked," Willoughby said. [/*]

"Might be" isn't sufficient for a Judge to sign an arrest warrant.

O/T because you don't have PM feature: Did you previously post using the RPD, WYN, BSNBrevard nics?

Your style is so similar to his......If so, welcome back!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


just don't hold your breath, okay? I'd hate to lose your valuable misanalysis.:biggrin: [/*]

It's ironic that someone with a nic JustFacts doesn't have one fact to share. Just gossip, rumors and innuendo. :biggrin:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Uh, when she says, "She's got boo boos everywhere..". [/*]

It sounded to me as "See...got boo boos everywhere."

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by JustFacts


It sounded to me as "See...got boo boos everywhere." or "on there."

jmo [/*]

does silsbee have the recording on her blog? Anybody know?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


It's ironic that someone with a nic JustFacts doesn't have one fact to share. Just gossip, rumors and innuendo. :biggrin: [/*]

When did you become interested in facts? Just trying to help out.

:D

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


It sounded to me as "See...got boo boos everywhere."

jmo [/*]

"Daddy did it and she's got boo boos everywhere and she's got..."

http://wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JustFacts


When did you become interested in facts? Just trying to help out.

:D [/*]

More like just trying to help Jason out.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


"Daddy did it and she's got boo boos everywhere and she's got..."

http://wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/ [/*]

I just listened and still don't hear the "Daddy did it."

It sounds to me as though CY is talking to someone on the telephone in the background. That isn't Meredith she's talking to, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


More like just trying to help Jason out. [/*]

kinda like 48 Hours travelling to Italy to help Amanda Knox?

At least Jason isn't in the slammer. He was smart to remain silent. Amanda wasn't as smart.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by annalyzer


It's ironic that someone with a nic JustFacts doesn't have one fact to share. Just gossip, rumors and innuendo. :biggrin: [/*]

I hear ya, annalyzer. Not one link posted to back up the so called "facts".

Just "I heard" and "my sources say".

Just who are these sources she's hearing from? :lol:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Jules2


I hear ya, annalyzer. Not one link posted to back up the so called "facts".

Just "I heard" and "my sources say".

Just who are these sources she's hearing from? :lol: [/*]That's what I keep asking from the poster commonly known as RPD.

Where are his links to ANYTHING he has put on the table as "fact" from his "inside source"?

Where?

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Allison


He's just prolonging the inevitable.

Sucking up his family's money. His friend's money.

Wasting LE's time. Wasting the SBI's time.

Wasting Wake County tax money. Wasting NC tax money.

Causing you to waste your life away on the message boards. [/*]WOW. LE doing their job investigating a murder is 'wasting their time'.

:eek:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I just listened and still don't hear the "Daddy did it."

It sounds to me as though CY is talking to someone on the telephone in the background. That isn't Meredith she's talking to, imo. [/*]

There is a list a blogger made with all the things wrong with the 911 call, including the fact that the only sister called her niece her daughter.

I guess the same people that hear "Daddy did it" refuse to hear it. or it is in that special unedited version.

I have only listened to the tape a few times, as I can not get pass the part where there is no panic or fear in what the sister is seeing.

This is her only sister's body, forget C is there for a minute , and re~act the way any normal person would, when coming upon such a horrible, gruesome sight of someone you love.
Where is the sadness that her sister is dead?
Why isn't she crying?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
That's what I keep asking from the poster commonly known as RPD.

Where are his links to ANYTHING he has put on the table as "fact" from his "inside source"?

Where?

:shrug: [/*]

I don't see a "poster commonly known as RPD" on this thread.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


"Daddy did it and she's got boo boos everywhere and she's got..."

http://wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/ [/*]I never hear her say that. LE must not have either as they released the tape into the public domain - a big NO NO if it could harm a defendants right to a fair trial, which a statement such as you are suggesting would definately do.

Also, LE never EVER used those words to support any probable cause. Must be because it's impossible to use something that just isn't there.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't see a "poster commonly known as RPD" on this thread. [/*]Oh, did he get banned again?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
That's what I keep asking from the poster commonly known as RPD.

Where are his links to ANYTHING he has put on the table as "fact" from his "inside source"?

Where?

:shrug: [/*]

Nothing he has posted has ever been proven to be true.
In fact, he had to retract some of his early scoops, at the expense of others, which ruined any credibility he had.

I don't think anyone puts too much "faith and hope" in anything he posts these days.

At least, I hope not.

The case is confusing enough.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
~snip~

Also, LE never EVER used those words to support any probable cause. Must be because it's impossible to use something that just isn't there. [/*]

That may or may not be true. We haven't seen the probable cause for the 2/14 SWs yet.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Allison


He's just prolonging the inevitable.

Sucking up his family's money. His friend's money.

Wasting LE's time. Wasting the SBI's time.

Wasting Wake County tax money. Wasting NC tax money.

Causing you to waste your life away on the message boards. [/*]

Jason is doing a good job with his daughter, that's all he has to do.
He owes you nothing else.



Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Allison


He's just prolonging the inevitable.

Sucking up his family's money. His friend's money.

Wasting LE's time. Wasting the SBI's time.

Wasting Wake County tax money. Wasting NC tax money.

Causing you to waste your life away on the message boards. [/*]

Doing their job is a waste of LE's time? They aren't volunteers, hon.

I'm not wasting my life away on multiple boards whining about other posters and neither is Jason. Life is good. :D

[Jules2]

Originally posted by alter ego
That's what I keep asking from the poster commonly known as RPD.

Where are his links to ANYTHING he has put on the table as "fact" from his "inside source"?

Where?

:shrug: [/*]

You can choose to not believe what is said by RPD, and I can choose to not believe a thing said by JustFacts and all the other nics she has posted under.

Fine by me......'cuz no matter what, lies won't have a single effect on the outcome of this case. The truth either sets him free, or it gets him locked up behind bars for the rest of his life.

All the lies, spinning and twisting of facts won't help Jason. Not in the least bit.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Jason is doing a good job with his daughter, that's all he has to do.
He owes you nothing else.



Kat [/*]

You said a number of times that you're not an "insider". How then would you know that "Jason is doing a good job with his daughter"?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Oh, did he get banned again? [/*]

How would I know? My point, however, is that I don't see the relevance in making comparisons to poster who isn't even here.

JMO

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That may or may not be true. We haven't seen the probable cause for the 2/14 SWs yet. [/*]

You haven't seen it but Jason's family have seen the probable cause in all its stunning detail.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Nothing he has posted has ever been proven to be true.
In fact, he had to retract some of his early scoops, at the expense of others, which ruined any credibility he had.

I don't think anyone puts too much "faith and hope" in anything he posts these days.

At least, I hope not.

The case is confusing enough.

Kat [/*]

No one puts any faith and hope in what you and the other JII's post these days either.

Not too many people put faith and hope in BS. Well, not normal people anyways.

IMO!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You haven't seen it but Jason's family have seen the probable cause in all its stunning detail. [/*]

Of course they have. But unless Jason's family chooses to link the SWs to this board, or they are published by the media, WE don't know what probable cause was used.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Jason's silence is suspicious. [/*]Not in the legal sense, it isn't.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


There is a list a blogger made with all the things wrong with the 911 call, including the fact that the only sister called her niece her daughter.

I guess the same people that hear "Daddy did it" refuse to hear it. or it is in that special unedited version.

I have only listened to the tape a few times, as I can not get pass the part where there is no panic or fear in what the sister is seeing.

This is her only sister's body, forget C is there for a minute , and re~act the way any normal person would, when coming upon such a horrible, gruesome sight of someone you love.
Where is the sadness that her sister is dead?
Why isn't she crying?

Kat [/*]

I just relistened to it and don't hear "Daddy did it" but I believe it is there. The Fishers sure sent posters looking for it.

Listen to it again and notice CY's chatter. Apparently she is in conversation with someone else. It's sure not Meredith she's talking to. And notice Meredith lowers her voice when she tells 911 the dog was "freaking out." Apparently she didn't want Cassidy hearing her say that.

:shrug:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Jules2


No one puts any faith and hope in what you and the other JII's post these days either.

Not too many people put faith and hope in BS. Well, not normal people anyways.

IMO! [/*]

The fact that there has been no arrest of Jay means we must have something on the side, like the truth.
We aren't here making up stories to make someone look bad, so, yeah, I like our posting track record better.

:)

Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Of course they have. But unless Jason's family chooses to link the SWs to this board, or they are published by the media, WE don't know what probable cause was used. [/*]

Speak for yourself.

Jason's family is free to share the information with whomever they like.

:patriot:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Jules2


You can choose to not believe what is said by RPD, and I can choose to not believe a thing said by JustFacts and all the other nics she has posted under.

Fine by me......'cuz no matter what, lies won't have a single effect on the outcome of this case. The truth either sets him free, or it gets him locked up behind bars for the rest of his life.

All the lies, spinning and twisting of facts won't help Jason. Not in the least bit. [/*]I know exactly what I can choose to believe or not to believe, tyvm!

You are exactly right! The lies about Jason put forth on this board will have no bearing on the case.

The truth has kept Jason free, no setting free about it as he has never been arrested.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Jules2


No one puts any faith and hope in what you and the other JII's post these days either.

Not too many people put faith and hope in BS. Well, not normal people anyways.

IMO! [/*]Please refrain from speaking for me.

TIA

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


How would I know? My point, however, is that I don't see the relevance in making comparisons to poster who isn't even here.

JMO [/*]When that poster's "facts" are constantly brought to this board, there is indeed relevance.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That may or may not be true. We haven't seen the probable cause for the 2/14 SWs yet. [/*]Goodness, why would they wait over a YEAR to use it as probable cause?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


You said a number of times that you're not an "insider". How then would you know that "Jason is doing a good job with his daughter"? [/*]

You don't think that the cops would just hand over a child that supposedly might know something about a murder?

Especially if you are one of the ones that think she says Daddy did it..

Once again, if Daddy did it, why isn't Daddy in jail?

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
When that poster's "facts" are constantly brought to this board, there is indeed relevance. [/*]

Fine. Please link a post containing "facts" attributed to "RPD", and I will retract my statement. Otherwise, please refrain from referencing them.

TYVM

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Speak for yourself.

Jason's family is free to share the information with whomever they like.

:patriot: [/*]

Yes, they are. But unless the person with whom they share the information can properly document it according to the TOS of this board, it is only rumor.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I just relistened to it and don't hear "Daddy did it" but I believe it is there. The Fishers sure sent posters looking for it.

Listen to it again and notice CY's chatter. Apparently she is in conversation with someone else. It's sure not Meredith she's talking to. And notice Meredith lowers her voice when she tells 911 the dog was "freaking out." Apparently she didn't want Cassidy hearing her say that.

:shrug: [/*]

Hi JF.......good work!!

Its the word "remember " that is key to me.

What was the story you were told, C, and did you tell it right?

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Yes, they are. But unless the person with whom they share the information can properly document it according to the TOS of this board, it is only rumor. [/*]

If that were true, what about the rumors of the car accident?
Even though it was reopened and reinvestigated and still ruled an accident, those who are looking for Jay's dark side, use every opportunity to make it sound like a murder attempt.

He was in the car with her, yep, that's how to murder someone.

Oh, and the latest is that he was going to drown her when the car went in the water. :biggrin:

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Hi JF.......good work!!

Its the word "remember " that is key to me.

What was the story you were told, C, and did you tell it right?

:(

Kat [/*]

Which begs the question: when and by whom was she told the story? It could easily have been Jason who, IF he killed Michelle, told CY the story.

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Goodness, why would they wait over a YEAR to use it as probable cause? [/*]

I don't know. I'm not LE.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Fine. Please link a post containing "facts" attributed to "RPD", and I will retract my statement. Otherwise, please refrain from referencing them.

TYVM [/*]The ones about the house having a larger mortg balance than what it was sold for are pure RPD.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


You don't think that the cops would just hand over a child that supposedly might know something about a murder?

Especially if you are one of the ones that think she says Daddy did it..

Once again, if Daddy did it, why isn't Daddy in jail?

Kat [/*]

Whether or not Jason killed Michelle is irrelevant to his parenting skills. You claimed he was raising his daughter well. How would you know that?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
The ones about the house having a larger mortg balance than what it was sold for are pure RPD. [/*]

The poster who provided an illustration of the listing price of the house versus the amortized balance based upon the recorded deed of trust 1) did not have the nic "RPD" and 2) was doing simple math.

JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know. I'm not LE. [/*]Do you hear those words?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego
I know exactly what I can choose to believe or not to believe, tyvm!

You are exactly right! The lies about Jason put forth on this board will have no bearing on the case.

The truth has kept Jason free, no setting free about it as he has never been arrested. [/*]

Good post.

The insults lobbed at me by posters I have on ignore are amusingly childish but won't have any bearing on the case, either.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Do you hear those words? [/*]

Excuse me :confused:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The poster who provided an illustration of the listing price of the house versus the amortized balance based upon the recorded deed of trust 1) did not have the nic "RPD" and 2) was doing simple math.

JMO [/*]Simple math based on non factual data.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Excuse me :confused: [/*]Doyou hear C saying 'daddy did it' in the 911 call?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Simple math based on non factual data. [/*]

Regardless, it was not posted by "RPD". Which was, after all, my point.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Doyou hear C saying 'daddy did it' in the 911 call? [/*]

No, I don't. Nor do I hear Meredith refer to CY as her daughter.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


He was banned. He posted here way back when. he is on other forums now that's probably where he is talking about. People from other forums come here to read and then go back and post about us ,we do the same thing. [/*]

Rather childish, IMO.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The poster who provided an illustration of the listing price of the house versus the amortized balance based upon the recorded deed of trust 1) did not have the nic "RPD" and 2) was doing simple math.

JMO [/*]

The poster uses multiple nics on that forum just as he does here. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


:shrug:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The poster uses multiple nics on that forum just as he does here. I'm surprised you didn't know that.


:shrug: [/*]

I don't know because I don't care. I enjoy discussing cases. Period. If I were into games I'd find a game forum.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Regardless, it was not posted by "RPD". Which was, after all, my point. [/*]It was based on a 'fact' put forth by RPD, which was, after all my point.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I don't know because I don't care. I enjoy discussing cases. Period. If I were into games I'd find a game forum. [/*]

I think a "discussion" involving one person with multiple personalities is sorta creepy but that's just me.

Whatever trips your trigger is a'ok!!

:patriot:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
It was based on a 'fact' put forth by RPD, which was, after all my point. [/*]

And I asked you to verify it. You haven't.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943


I couldn't agree more. Sometimes we are forced to because of circumstances. Like the link I posted above . That was because over on the other forum they are calling me names. It's very childish. Maybe when they see the link they will stop. [/*]


Here is much more pleasant, don't you agree?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I couldn't agree more. Sometimes we are forced to because of circumstances. Like the link I posted above . That was because over on the other forum they are calling me names. It's very childish. Maybe when they see the link they will stop. [/*]

Maybe you shouldn't read the other forum if it upsets you. :)

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by scout


I keep trying to give you a break, but you keep missing it. Read and comprehend, JF. Arrest is not mentioned in the statute. It is not a requirement.

If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit or any other offense, the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted.

If Jason's attorney has not requested to have the NTIO results destroyed, perhaps its because the conditions do not exist which would permit him to make such a request. [/*]

She's right, JF. Arrest is not a requirement based upon the statute. Only probable cause.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by alter ego
I know exactly what I can choose to believe or not to believe, tyvm!

You are exactly right! The lies about Jason put forth on this board will have no bearing on the case.

The truth has kept Jason free, no setting free about it as he has never been arrested. [/*]


I don't see Meredith behind bars either.

You might want to enlighten your buddy about that fact. You know, the one who claims to have me on ignore and the one who also claims that the sister is under suspicion.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


I keep trying to give you a break, but you keep missing it. Read and comprehend, JF. Arrest is not mentioned in the statute. It is not a requirement.

If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit or any other offense, the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted.

If Jason's attorney has not requested to have the NTIO results destroyed, perhaps its because the conditions do not exist which would permit him to make such a request. [/*]

It is your inability to understand the statute that is the problem. I have no problem whatsoever understanding it.

"Probable cause to believe the person has committed the offense" must be the basis of an arrest warrant signed by a Judge.

Go read the language on an arrest warrant and maybe a bulb will finally go off.

:read:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


And I asked you to verify it. You haven't. [/*]Yeah I did.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


She's right, JF. Arrest is not a requirement based upon the statute. Only probable cause. [/*]

You both are extremely confused.

An arrest is not possible if the result of the NTIO does not provide probable cause to believe he committed the crime.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Whether or not Jason killed Michelle is irrelevant to his parenting skills. You claimed he was raising his daughter well. How would you know that? [/*]

Because we would have heard about it.
We have heard every bad story about him, including the ridiculous ones that make no sense and have nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

Didn't one of the posters here even call Jay?

Kat:o :tongue: :rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Yeah I did. [/*]

I'm not going to argue with you about something so ridiculous. I was here yesterday when that post was made, and the nic was NOT "RPD".

[alter ego]

Originally posted by scout


I keep trying to give you a break, but you keep missing it. Read and comprehend, JF. Arrest is not mentioned in the statute. It is not a requirement.

If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense named in the affidavit or any other offense, the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted.

If Jason's attorney has not requested to have the NTIO results destroyed, perhaps its because the conditions do not exist which would permit him to make such a request. [/*]
he would have had to of made that request at the time of return. And at that point, there was still probable cause as the investigation was still underway, as outlined in subsequent probable cause affidavits attached in subsequent search warrants.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


I don't hear "Daddy did it" either.

The rest of your post is just another attempt to rewrite history. Nothing but lies. [/*]

Kindly abide by the TOS when you post here, okay? Calling me a liar is unnecessary and certainly isn't based on fact.

:no:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm not going to argue with you about something so ridiculous. I was here yesterday when that post was made, and the nic was NOT "RPD". [/*]Didn't say it was. I said the 'fact' of the morgt balance being greater than the sale proceeds was one put forth by RPD based on his 'inside sources'.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You both are extremely confused.

An arrest is not possible if the result of the NTIO does not provide probable cause to believe he committed the crime. [/*]

The issue you raised earlier was not arrest. It was Jason's attorney's right to request destruction of the NTIO results. According to the statute linked, destruction is only permitted if there is no probable cause.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Because we would have heard about it.
We have heard every bad story about him, including the ridiculous ones that make no sense and have nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

Didn't one of the posters here even call Jay?

Kat:o :tongue: :rolleyes: [/*]

Everyone who follows this case has heard rumors. NOT hearing a rumor does not prove your point.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Maybe you shouldn't read the other forum if it upsets you. :) [/*]

Only to get the latest rumors
I am surprised at the things they get away with there
Maybe the moderator should scout around over there more.

:shrug:
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Didn't say it was. I said the 'fact' of the morgt balance being greater than the sale proceeds was one put forth by RPD based on his 'inside sources'. [/*]

Are you here to discuss "RPD"? Because I'm not.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I think a "discussion" involving one person with multiple personalities is sorta creepy but that's just me.

Whatever trips your trigger is a'ok!!

:patriot: [/*]

........but no more creepier than one who actually views autopsy photos, again ewwwwwwwww.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Only to get the latest rumors
I am surprised at the things they get away with there
Maybe the moderator should scout around over there more.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

That was cute. But I've read Scout's forum, and find it pretty informative. I think she does a great job moderating.

And it's interesting that you would read there "to get the latest rumors".

JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by scout


If you're referring to my forum, you should take notice that there is no moderator.

I have noticed though that you haven't made many attempts to get away with anything there. Why is that?

You never answered my question, Kat. Why do you suppose that Cassidy did not sound upset during the 911 call? [/*]

I'll give you an answer. IMO, CY does not sound upset because Meredith is a familiar and comforting presence.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by scout


If you're referring to my forum, you should take notice that there is no moderator.

I have noticed though that you haven't made many attempts to get away with anything there. Why is that?

You never answered my question, Kat. Why do you suppose that Cassidy did not sound upset during the 911 call? [/*]

1) Maybe it needs one
2) I don't post there, no way would I use my ISP there. but I am a big GOJO fan. Him and the shadow.
3) Because she has not been awake all that long, she woke earlier, called for her Mommy, got no response and went back to sleep.
She was never a witness to anything.
I am sure she saw Jay murder Michelle and then went peacefully back to sleep.
Of course, I also like the Lion King/jelly bean story too.

Anything else?

:read:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


That was cute. But I've read Scout's forum, and find it pretty informative. I think she does a great job moderating.

And it's interesting that you would read there "to get the latest rumors".

JMO [/*]

Like I said, a member of the GOJO fan club.
And, Sils gets the Blog of the Year award.

:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by W_D_1



Your posts demanding posters not discuss RPD might carry more weight if you said the same thing to the posters calling others mimi. [/*]

Fine. Attention all posters: please do not call anyone here "mimi" unless it's their nic. I'm not here to discuss her either.

Better?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Like I said, a member of the GOJO fan club.

:)
Kat [/*]

Now that gets a "ewwwwwwwww" from me.

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cardinal

Re:::: GOJO


But everyone waits breathlessly for him to post.
I guess he is the leader there, because his presence is constantly requested.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by W_D_1



I was making a point that everything gets overlooked when one side does it but when others do someone just has to complain about it. [/*]

I got your point, and I responded.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cardinal




But everyone waits breathlessly for him to post.
I guess he is the leader there, because his presence is constantly requested.

Kat [/*]

Not everyone. Count me out.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Not everyone. Count me out. [/*]

He is pretty much the only real insider that knows Jason.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Are you here to discuss "RPD"? Because I'm not. [/*]Nope, was just responding to a post.

Why do you think the latest search warrants were sealed?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


He is pretty much the only real insider that knows Jason.

Kat [/*]

If any one thing would convince me that Jason killed Michelle, it would be the poster who calls himself "Gojo".

JMO

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


He is pretty much the only real insider that knows Jason.

Kat [/*]


So he claims.


Hard to believe that a true friend of Jason's would post information about him on message boards with his knowledge or even his permission. He appears to be more of an "insider" wannabe, than an actual insider.

Internet discussion forums often attract those seeking attention. I've seen it here with several posters. IMO.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Sundog


Not what I hear. Jason kissed Brevard goodbye for the fast life in the big city when he was 18.

14 years is plenty of time to forget someone ;)

Gojoke does not know the 'real' Jason.
You know, imo, the one that killed his wife. [/*]
Oh goody, more unsubstantiated RUMORS.

:rolleyes:

When was the trial finding Jason guilty of murder?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by scout


That's so inaccurate it's almost funny. [/*]What proof do you have that it's inaccurate?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by alter ego
Nope, was just responding to a post.

Why do you think the latest search warrants were sealed? [/*]

My guess would be that the probable cause recitation contains information LE is not ready to have made public.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Cardinal


The issue you raised earlier was not arrest. It was Jason's attorney's right to request destruction of the NTIO results. According to the statute linked, destruction is only permitted if there is no probable cause. [/*]

You are confused but I give up.

Maybe somebody else can 'splain it on your level.

:shrug:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You are confused but I give up.

Maybe somebody else can 'splain it on your level.

:shrug: [/*]

Maybe so, JF.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego
What proof do you have that it's inaccurate? [/*]

I would believe GOJO a 1,000, 000 x more than the poster who reps himself as RPD.

Even his initials were meant to give off a falsehood, pretending to be something he is not.

Very, very sad.

:(

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by scout


If you'd like some instruction on IP tracing, I'd be happy to inform you, but this is not the place for that.

The evidence will show that Cassidy was carried to the hall bathroom by the killer, Kat. She is very much a witness. She spoke matter-of-factly of Michelle's boo-boos, mentioned a washcloth, and, according to the People Magazine article, attempted to tend to Michelle's injuries with bandages. Your explanation does not fit. [/*]

No thanx, I like posting here.

What evidence would that be?

And , the People magazine was incorrect about a few other things.

The amount of land the home sat on.

The date the insurance money was issued.

Did they find bandaids or bandages at the crime scene?

Once again, C. a 2 1/2 year old sees wounds.

Only sister sees none.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Cardinal


If any one thing would convince me that Jason killed Michelle, it would be the poster who calls himself "Gojo".

JMO [/*]


If you need convincing from another poster, and can not make up your own mind, I hope you don't intend to sit on any juries in the future.

:(

Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


If you'd like some instruction on IP tracing, I'd be happy to inform you, but this is not the place for that.

The evidence will show that Cassidy was carried to the hall bathroom by the killer, Kat. She is very much a witness. She spoke matter-of-factly of Michelle's boo-boos, mentioned a washcloth, and, according to the People Magazine article, attempted to tend to Michelle's injuries with bandages. Your explanation does not fit. [/*]

PEOPLE had no way of knowing information was misrepresented to them.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


A good one.:beer: [/*]


Thanx, I thought the purpose of setting up a murder case forum was to discuss a case instead of other people.

Thank goodness for Sils blog.
Maybe they can copy and paste her integrity.

:shrug:

Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Kat, they don't mean Raleigh Police Department and he never said they did. If you believe Gojo, then you must also see he is definately "down" since the warrants. [/*]

That poster did claim to be a female officer with the Raleigh Police Department and also claimed to be reporter Amanda Lamb. Water under the bridge but it killed his credibility with many of us.

Not only do I believe Gojo, I also know he isn't "down" since those warrants. If anything, he's even more optimistic that resolution is near.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego

Oh goody, more unsubstantiated RUMORS.

:rolleyes:

When was the trial finding Jason guilty of murder? [/*]

Has to post the unsubstantiated rumors on the 'net because cops will no longer take his calls.

It is no surprise that these fabricated rumors haven't resulted in Jason's arrest.


jmo

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


What do you expect when the moderator of the forum call other posters rabid fans. LOL Monkey see monkey do. [/*]

Real nice, sets a good example.
But, enough of that, forums do run amok when there is no adult supervision. We have CW to answer to.:)

So, I wonder if this week will bring us any closer to justice for Michelle.


:shrug:

Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by scout


Thank you, Cardinal. I happen to agree with you to a point, but my belief is that there's a little more to it than that. As I said before, Cassidy was traumatized. [/*]

You apparently don't understand the meaning of "traumatized." It's obvious form the child's chatter, she wasn't traumatized.
Auntie made sure of that.

jmo

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



If you need convincing from another poster, and can not make up your own mind, I hope you don't intend to sit on any juries in the future.

:(

Kat [/*]

You misread my post. Not surprising; that seems to be the norm on this thread.

And, since this thread has once again deteriorated into a discussion of other posters rather than the Michelle Young case, I'll say goodnight.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Real nice, sets a good example.
But, enough of that, forums do run amok when there is no adult supervision. We have CW to answer to.:)

So, I wonder if this week will bring us any closer to justice for Michelle.


:shrug:

Kat [/*]

Justice for Michelle and Jason is long overdue, for sure.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by TIAZ


I have do disagree. Scout doesn't put up with any of this nit picking and everyone is treated equally. She keeps the thread on topic and no one gets a special pass. I learn the most over there about the case since that thread is modertated to stay on topic, when petty bickering starts, she reels it back in. [/*]


What forum are you reading?
Didn't Scout just say she/he does not moderate there?
We are @ CTV now, can we stay on topic.?

Thanxxx.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You apparently don't understand the meaning of "traumatized." It's obvious form the child's chatter, she wasn't traumatized.
Auntie made sure of that.

jmo [/*]

No way did C sound traumatized at all.
A blessing in disguise.


Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


I have do disagree. Scout doesn't put up with any of this nit picking and everyone is treated equally. She keeps the thread on topic and no one gets a special pass. I learn the most over there about the case since that thread is modertated to stay on topic, when petty bickering starts, she reels it back in. [/*]

You apparently missed this post upthread:

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If you're referring to my forum, you should take notice that there is no moderator.

I have noticed though that you haven't made many attempts to get away with anything there. Why is that?

You never answered my question, Kat. Why do you suppose that Cassidy did not sound upset during the 911 call?


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[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Yeah, she did and I was a little confused about that too!! She watches it pretty closely from what I see, making sure it stays on the topic of Michelle. [/*]


Cool, but what does that have to do with us here and the murder of Michelle Young?

tia.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Justice for Michelle and Jason is long overdue, for sure. [/*]

That's for sure.
It just goes on and on.......

I feel bad for the people in Enchanted Oaks too, another month with no answers.

I wonder if any of them tightened up on security.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by TIAZ


You missed mine upthread too. I was confused by Scout's post as well. [/*]

Maybe it should turn private, and give us back Gojo.

:)

Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


No way did C sound traumatized at all.
A blessing in disguise.


Kat [/*]

The only blessing this tragedy has, imo.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Since Michelle's murder was deemed "not random", I wonder that myself. Do they feel safer knowing it was "personal?" [/*]



After almost a year and a half without an arrest, there still must be uneasiness there.

This is the *2nd case , I followed where a security alarm could have saved the victim.

Now, if the Youngs had an alarm,and it was just dismantled for that one nite instead of being inactivated.......hmmmmmm, then you got not random and personal.
But this way, anyone could have got into that home and anyone could have killed Michelle.

Kat

*Danielle van Dam

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Sundog


Give us back Gojo :lol: :lol: [/*]

We"re willing to make a trade for a good draft pick from another Board.

:)
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Sundog


Not to give gojo too much credit, but I think the reason he does not post here is because he does not want to be associated with the likes of Kat, Just Facts and June1943.


Scout's is a "troll free" zone ;) [/*]


And, if you would go away, Bud, we could have the same troll bridge closed here.

Come on, give us GOJO, we can negotiate the terms of the deal later .

:)
Kat

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



And, if you would go away, Bud, we could have the same troll bridge closed here.

Come on, give us GOJO, we can negotiate the terms of the deal later .

:)
Kat [/*]

lol

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The only blessing this tragedy has, imo. [/*]

I hope she is doing well, 4 already, wow.
She looked so much like her Daddy in her pics.

Kat

[Danica]

I see there is no discussion of the Michelle Young murder happening once again. What is wrong here ? Could it be that most of you don't give a damn about Michelle, and you really are here because you are starved for attention ? That is really too bad, Michelle was a very normal good person who would undoubtedly be appalled at the way you speak of her sister, daughter, mother and her life for that matter. I wonder what went horribly wrong in your own lives that you sink to such lows as are seen here. Pathetic to do this bs in the name of an innocent victim of a brutal murder. You should (the trolls) resign from this board once and for all and let us, the posters who care what happens in this case continue on what we once had going here. So, okay that settles that...see ya Mimiof5/JustFacts, June1943 and a couple others who are borderline rejects. Buh-bye now

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Real nice, sets a good example.
But, enough of that, forums do run amok when there is no adult supervision. We have CW to answer to.:)

So, I wonder if this week will bring us any closer to justice for Michelle.


:shrug:

Kat [/*]

I certainly hope so. Maybe then we can have FACTS discussed rather than the innuendo that is being spewed out here. The subtle accusations against the victim's mother and sister are completely ridiculous.

I have no idea who may have done this ... I have strong suspicions and those suspicions point right back to her loving husband.

CW ... Where are you? Kat seems to think you are keeping this board from running AMOK but I strongly disagree.

Only about 4 months ago, Kat was claiming the case was cold. What happened to that line of thinking, Kat? If the case is cold, then maybe it is best that this board be shutdown to protect BOTH families from the crap being thrown out here.

:shrug:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts


You apparently don't understand the meaning of "traumatized." It's obvious form the child's chatter, she wasn't traumatized.
Auntie made sure of that.

jmo [/*]


And you KNOW she was not traumatized? And HOW do you know this?

Please STOP and think before you post this stuff that you know nothing about.

[Danica]

Originally posted by oakayfine



And you KNOW she was not traumatized? And HOW do you know this?

Please STOP and think before you post this stuff that you know nothing about. [/*]

Thats a nice thought Oakayfine, but the chances of them thinking before they post are slim to none. imo I don't see how Cassidy couldn't have been traumatized, but her age may help erase the memory.
I know kids her age are pretty resilient, after the first few hours alone with her mothers body, she probably was playing and for the most part not thinking about it. I picture her going back to play in her room after a while, and maybe just checking back in there every so often. She certainly seemed relieved to have Meredith show up, and actually sounded pretty calm, considering her days events.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



And, if you would go away, Bud, we could have the same troll bridge closed here.

Come on, give us GOJO, we can negotiate the terms of the deal later .

:)
Kat [/*]

WTH ... This is not a GAME. What the H are you thinking? Trade one player for another?

Get a grip. You really are INSANE!

Yes, this might be "your board" but people do read here and you now want to trade "players" from one board to another??

You make me SICK.


You cry to CW constantly and want her to keep this board open so that you can play your silly games.

THIS IS JUST .... WRONG. WRONG WRONG.
:flamemad:

[Danica]

Originally posted by Sundog


No doubt this thread should be locked.
Just look at the muck posted by Kat and Just Facts.
There is no case discussion, just smart remarks about other posters and other boards. [/*]

Did one of em actually post something intelligent and truthful ? Oh, I see, you meant smart aleck huh ? I don't see any reason to close the board, just close it to victim bashers, liars and instigators. That outta fix it and we could then discuss the case instead of "their issues". jmo

[Danica]

Originally posted by oakayfine


WTH ... This is not a GAME. What the H are you thinking? Trade one player for another?

Get a grip. You really are INSANE!

Yes, this might be "your board" but people do read here and you now want to trade "players" from one board to another??

You make me SICK.


You cry to CW constantly and want her to keep this board open so that you can play your silly games.

THIS IS JUST .... WRONG. WRONG WRONG.
:flamemad: [/*]

Great post, Oakayfine. But, I have to disagree with just one statement you have made.
THIS IS NOT KATS BOARD, NEVER HAS BEEN, NEVER WILL BE...With that said, lets get back to whose board it is:

THE MICHELLE YOUNG BOARD
jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Danica


Thats a nice thought Oakayfine, but the chances of them thinking before they post are slim to none. imo I don't see how Cassidy couldn't have been traumatized, but her age may help erase the memory.
I know kids her age are pretty resilient, after the first few hours alone with her mothers body, she probably was playing and for the most part not thinking about it. I picture her going back to play in her room after a while, and maybe just checking back in there every so often. She certainly seemed relieved to have Meredith show up, and actually sounded pretty calm, considering her days events. [/*]

Exactly. That is what I heard on the 911 tape. Cassie did not understand what was happening and was confused. When Meredith finally showed up; Cassie was relieved that there was someone there who she could talk to.
Cassie has so many unanswered questions but she is so much better off for the fact that Meredith did walk in and remained calm despite the brutal nature of the circumstances she was faced with.

[Danica]

Here is a therapists opinion on Cassidys' well-being after the murder :

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It was a little odd, a strange coincidence perhaps. Lauren Howard, the child, the 2-year-old who was in that room with the dead mother, what is the psychological trauma?

HOWARD: Well, we don`t know that she was in the room when the murder occurred, OK? So she might have wandered in the room after the fact. And I`d be curious to know if Cassidy is verbal yet, because, really, with play therapy, a child psychologist could get this little girl to reenact what occurred if, in fact, there`s going to be a trauma, which would be based on a memory. But at age 2, her abstract reasoning not really yet there. If it were 3, it would be a whole different story. She`ll be OK.

From Nancy Grace show
CNN.com - Transcripts
http://transcripts.cnn.com/

I have one question what was Cassidys' age at the time of Michelles' murder. Wasn't she pretty close to 3 or was she 3 already?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I hope she is doing well, 4 already, wow.
She looked so much like her Daddy in her pics.

Kat [/*]


If she wasn't doing well, I think we would have heard about it after the unannounced ambush on the daycare.

Hopefully, no more pics will be circulated. The killer is still out there and may be worried about what she remembers. Lions and jelly beans, oh my.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943


No you are wrong I know the reason. He posts on the other forum to keep the rumors straight. He knows when we tell something its because it true. He knows we want justice for Michelle and I don't think blaming her husband which she dearly loved without probable cause is anywhere near justice. [/*]

The fabricated rumors are attempts to obstruct justice, imo. It started with "Daddy did it."

I hope once an arrest is made that LE will turn its attention to those who wasted their time.

jmo

[Danica]

Originally posted by june1943


You need to relax. This is a discussion forum . You are going to have a stroke. Kat was just passing the time of day with that poster . Some call it joshing. None of us are going to solve this murder but we like to discuss it. I don't think anybody here cries to anyone as far as I know we are all adults no whiners among the bunch. What would you like to discuss tonight? [/*]

The reason the majority of us are here, Michelle Young. Do you have anything productive to contribute ?

[Jules2]

Originally posted by JustFacts



If she wasn't doing well, I think we would have heard about it after the unannounced ambush on the daycare.

Hopefully, no more pics will be circulated. The killer is still out there and may be worried about what she remembers. Lions and jelly beans, oh my.

jmo [/*]


There you go spreading rumors again. I'm shocked that CW allows this to continue.

I heard the visit was ok'd by Jason's mother. Hardly an "ambush".

Sometimes you can be so funny. I'm visualizing the Fishers dressed in SWAT gear while they surround the daycare armed with colorful packages wrapped in pretty bows. Their aim? To storm the front door then disable the daycare staff with helium balloons all for a hug from the little child they've not been allowed to see for a very long time.

Yep, quite the ambush.

:shrug:

[Danica]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The fabricated rumors are attempts to obstruct justice, imo. It started with "Daddy did it."

I hope once an arrest is made that LE will turn its attention to those who wasted their time.

jmo [/*]

The one, HUGE lie I remember was yours about Linda and Meredith Fisher trespassing on Michelles' property and stealing her jewelry drawers from her jewelry box. Fabricated rumor is an understatement for that post imo
That was when you were posting as Mimiof5 by the way...

[Jules2]

Originally posted by Sundog
Jules, this poster is far from "funny".
She is completely void of a sense of humor or even a personality.
I would liken her to a pilotless drone. [/*]


This is true, sundog. I was thinking more along the lines of the knee slapping reaction I got to the ridiculousness of it all.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943
Call it premonition or what ever . I have a feeling tomorrow will bring some new stuff we can talk about.

I posted this once and it came up a new thread. Sorry about that. [/*]

I hope you're right, June. I'd like to see an arrest tomorrow. Justice has been delayed but hopefully not denied.

for Michelle and Jason
:rose:

[Danica]

Originally posted by june1943


What do you expect when the moderator of the forum call other posters rabid fans. LOL Monkey see monkey do. [/*]

OH JUNE just so you know, Scout wasn't saying that about "other posters", she was saying that about YOU and only you (well, your other two nics as well) Don't thank me, I was happy to clarify that for you. I was more happy to straighten out that rumor you were trying to start about a very respected poster and blogger (Scout) who also is respected at this board by the majority of posters here. jmo
Here's a link in case you want to read it for yourself, I know how you like links made available to you...no problem

http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943
That's not how I remember it. It was Jason's sister that said the jewelry drawers were gone. I didn't see where anyone said that the fishers stole them. Now it was told that MF was to be charged fro stealing from Cassie's trust fund. That was retracted next day seems she paid it back. I could tell you who posted that rumor but I won't I'll pm you the name it you want. [/*]

I have no idea why Danica continues to toss her rotten bait at me. I've had her on ignore.

You are correct, June. I'm not the poster who first mentioned the jewelry box drawers. I'm also not the poster who said Meredith and Linda Fisher re-entered the house. That poster was GOPACK.

jmo

[Danica]

Originally posted by june1943
That's not how I remember it. It was Jason's sister that said the jewelry drawers were gone. I didn't see where anyone said that the fishers stole them. Now it was told that MF was to be charged fro stealing from Cassie's trust fund. That was retracted next day seems she paid it back. I could tell you who posted that rumor but I won't I'll pm you the name it you want. [/*]

Well, sorry but your memory is going fast. It WAS Mimiof5/JustFacts who started that disgusting LIE about Michelles' mother and sister. And, NO don't PM me anything, I read enough of your BS right here on this board.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


You need to relax. This is a discussion forum . You are going to have a stroke. Kat was just passing the time of day with that poster . Some call it joshing. None of us are going to solve this murder but we like to discuss it. I don't think anybody here cries to anyone as far as I know we are all adults no whiners among the bunch. What would you like to discuss tonight? [/*]

Wow. I have the honor of being chastised by none other than Ms. June.

No, I am far from stoke territory. My BP is just fine.
Anyone who is choosing to just "pass the time of day" by insulting others, posting innuendo and making a mockery of this horrendous crime is in violation of TOS. JMO.

Discussion of the crime is fine, however, when it becomes posting of crap ... then I have every right to draw the line. The facts in this case are few and far between and have turned into personal attacks between posters. I will refer you back to the previous posts of this thread and then again, other threads.

As far as what I would like to discuss? Let's just stick to the facts of the case. Not the petty name calling or innuendo that this entire thread represents; with the exception of maybe 4 or five posts.

How about you?
Tell me about the funeral. I'm very interested in what you witnessed.
Did Michelle's mother really scream out to Jason that he killed her daughter?
Why did they have two separate chapels for the two families? Was this a "Hatfield - McCoy" relationship before Michelle's murder?
If, indeed, it was, then would that not lend itself the idea that Michelle's mother did, in fact, make that accusation to Jason?

Please enlighten me of your knowledge. Let's discuss the facts.

[Jules2]

Originally posted by june1943
That's not how I remember it. It was Jason's sister that said the jewelry drawers were gone. I didn't see where anyone said that the fishers stole them. Now it was told that MF was to be charged fro stealing from Cassie's trust fund. That was retracted next day seems she paid it back. I could tell you who posted that rumor but I won't I'll pm you the name it you want. [/*]



You're actually right about one thing. Jason's sister did indeed start the rumor about the drawers being missing, but then the poster Danica was referring to embellished the rumor by suggesting that the Fishers took it.

She, of course has no proof to the rumor she started, but a few other posters have hung on to it as if it were the Gospel truth.

[Danica]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I have no idea why Danica continues to toss her rotten bait at me. I've had her on ignore.

You are correct, June. I'm not the poster who first mentioned the jewelry box drawers. I'm also not the poster who said Meredith and Linda Fisher re-entered the house. That poster was GOPACK.

jmo [/*]

WRONG !!

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943


I have her on ignore now ,also. Some times its just to tiring to talk to them. I sure hope tomorrow brings some news. [/*]

I hope so too. It's been way too long. I just hope LE didn't blow it totally in the beginning.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I hope so too. It's been way too long. I just hope LE didn't blow it totally in the beginning. [/*]

Hey, anybody know what that good news was that was supposed to come out last Friday about Jason? I think I must have missed it.

Kat and Mimi had some sort of news that was supposed to really change everybody's thinking all around about Jason but they never clarified ... they just alluded that it would be in the papers. I was really looking forward to reading about it.

What was it ... I must have missed it.

[Danica]

Originally posted by june1943


I have her on ignore now ,also. Some times its just to tiring to talk to them. I sure hope tomorrow brings some news. [/*]

Thats one way of dealing with the TRUTH when it is thrown in your face, frankly I'm not surprised...

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


If you took the time to read and not post you would find where I am not the only one to say that. Here is another poster saying the same thing. This is pretty much how it happened.

Posted by GOPACK: The viewing at Brown=Wynne was set up with 2 parlors. One for the Fishers and one for JY's clan. Visitors were asked who they were there to see. LF told people "he killed my baby". This was spoken very openly in her very sad grief. I did not attend the funeral, but I was told this by someone who was there and heard it. She obviously has not stated this publicly and has conducted herself with class and dignity. JMO

http://youngtragedy.blogspot.com/2007/08/fishers.html [/*]

Are you living vicariously through GOPACK? I want to hear your version of the funeral. Will you please expound?

And were they the "Hatfield's and McCoy's" before Michelle met her demise?

BTW - no need to try and insult me about my reading capabilties. I do just fine without your help. I know what GO PACK said. He/she was honest in the fact that they pointed out that they were not there.


TIA

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943

I'm guessing that it was Jason selling his house. Why it would be in the paper I don't know. Well maybe they do publish such things. [/*]

Well, you just told me to "read up rather than post". Perhaps you should do the same.

Read Fridays thread where they were "teasing" anyone who read about the "good news". Kat claimed she knew nothing of the house so, again, I guess you are wrong.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Sundog
I know this has been discussed 1001 times here, but anyone that can't plainly hear "Daddy did it", needs to have their hearing checked or at least invest in a decent sound card and speakers.

It is toward the end when the phone is ringing to the WCSO, right before the dispatcher picks up.

"Daddy did it" , "ok"


http://www.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/ [/*]

I hear it earlier when Meredith asks Cassie if mommy fell and it sounds like she answers "daddy did it and she's got boo boos everywhere and she's got....".

OMG I heard it too what you're talking about, it's right after the first ring. :eek:

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


If you knew it all ready then why did you question what I said? I have no idea what you are talking about with the Hatfield ans Mccoys. I don't think either Michelle or Jason are related to them. [/*]

Re- I knew of GOPACKs version of the funeral -
But, I want to know YOUR version. I am interested in your version of the facts at hand. You have implied that you were present at the funeral.


Re: Hatfield & McCoys
No, they are not related to them but I am asking if you can liken them to that old story. The feuding families.



TIA

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943


If you took the time to read and not post you would find where I am not the only one to say that. Here is another poster saying the same thing. This is pretty much how it happened.

Posted by GOPACK: The viewing at Brown=Wynne was set up with 2 parlors. One for the Fishers and one for JY's clan. Visitors were asked who they were there to see. LF told people "he killed my baby". This was spoken very openly in her very sad grief. I did not attend the funeral, but I was told this by someone who was there and heard it. She obviously has not stated this publicly and has conducted herself with class and dignity. JMO

http://youngtragedy.blogspot.com/2007/08/fishers.html [/*]

Not stated it publicly? GMAB. Screaming out murder accusations isn't a very classy thing to do at a funeral or anywhere else. It is no wonder people took notice and started buzzing about it.

jmo

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by TIAZ


What???! I missed it too!!!

Did he talk to LE??? [/*]

Kat & MIMI were bantering back and forth about "good news" about Jason. They said they would wait until the "news" was "published in the papers" before elaborating any further.

Someone else came on and asked if it was about the house being sold and Kat said she knew nothing of the house. MIMI remained silent.

It's was on Fridays thread probably between 2 and 7 pm.

I did not finish reading the posts and I'm not sure if anything else was elaborated on regarding these posts.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I hear it earlier when Meredith asks Cassie if mommy fell and it sounds like she answers "daddy did it and she's got boo boos everywhere and she's got....".

OMG I heard it too what you're talking about, it's right after the first ring. :eek: [/*]

I have no doubt it is on the call.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943
Very unpleasant and very crass. I know she was in pain but to disgrace Michelle's funeral just shouldn't have happened. That sure wasn't the time or place. I feel that is why she isn't allowed to see Cassie. You can just imagine what she would tell her if she had the chance. Thank God Cassie wasn't there when she was saying it. [/*]

this is exactly why I ask you the question ... was it a "Hatfield - McCoy" relationship before Michelle met her demise?
You claim to have been at the funeral.

Michelle's mother must have had some reason to feel those emotions at the funeral of her daughter.
There had to have been some underlying tensions between Linda and Jason for Linda to express those emotions.

BTW Those emotions have absolutely nothing to do with class.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943
Very unpleasant and very crass. I know she was in pain but to disgrace Michelle's funeral just shouldn't have happened. That sure wasn't the time or place. I feel that is why she isn't allowed to see Cassie. You can just imagine what she would tell her if she had the chance. Thank God Cassie wasn't there when she was saying it. [/*]

If Cassie is saying "Daddy did it"--and I believe she is--it is because Meredith told her "Daddy did it" and she's merely repeating what she was told, as toddlers do. imo, the child did not witness the murder nor was she able to see "boo-boos" all over Mommy, who was face down.

jmo

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by JustFacts


If Cassie is saying "Daddy did it"--and I believe she is--it is because Meredith told her "Daddy did it" and she's merely repeating what she was told, as toddlers do. imo, the child did not witness the murder nor was she able to see "boo-boos" all over Mommy, who was face down.

jmo [/*]

Okay, let's take your scenario one step further.
Cassie says "Daddy did it". You think she's merely repeating what she was told".

This would beg the question ... Why would Meredith ask that question ... unless Meredith knew that Cassie's "Daddy" was capable of something like this and it finally came to this gruesome end.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by W_D_1




They should go back to their other board. [/*]

And... Where is your board?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I think Donnie agrees with you and is looking for that knock on his door with a confession. I am sure he appreciates others feel like he has made the right decision to sit back and wait for that knock.That confession will happen when pigs fly. [/*]

I don't believe it is Jason's confession Donnie is awaiting.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


I also don't think we have been "privied" to the entire call. [/*]

The public has heard the entire 911 call. I doubt we'll hear Meredith's conversation with the Sheriff's office until her trial.

jmo

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


Well I personally can't hear the Daddy did it. I do think I hear her say remember . I wonder what she was remembering. Maybe she was rehearsed before the call. I sure wish we had more information. Like cell phone records from MF's phone. Wonder If LE even took it. Probably not. If she says Daddy did it while the phone was ringing all MF says is ok. Maybe she didn't hear it either. [/*]Wonder If LE even took it. Probably not

Wonder If LE even took it. Probably notWonder If LE even took it. Probably not

Why would you think that? I think they did. JMO

Of course some will look at a glass of water and call it either 1/2 full or 1/2 empty. I think they have all the records. JMO

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


LOL I think I will go to bed now. From reading your last post I think you need to ,also. Goodnight. [/*]

Good Night. Maybe I can sleep better tonight knowing you will not be here evading your previous lies which you have yet to address.

LOL LOL LOL LOL GTH GTH LOL LOL


Please stop spreading your outrageous lies of being present at a funeral that you did not attend.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ



If you are saying its Meredith's confession, its statistically unlikely. [/*]

Always a first time for everything. Hopefully Donnie has read the probable cause on the s/w that the Youngs have seen.

If Donnie relies on statistics rather than evidence, this case is doomed to the cold case pile and he'll be unemployed when his term is up.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by Sundog
I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt saying 65. Based on your incoherent and disjointed posts, I would actually guess closer to 79-83. [/*]

I thought she was the mother of two toddlers? The 1943 must be her house number. But, if her husband is really a lawyer, then he certainly would have told her not to use her house number.
So I guess she is just conceived later in life?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by june1943


LOL I think I will go to bed now. From reading your last post I think you need to ,also. Goodnight. [/*]

Nite, June! Enjoyed our discussion.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Call me that name again and you will be looking at a 5th name.I refuse to allow you to harass me with other nicks like you are doing JF. This is my only time to ask this, the next time I will report you. I don`t think you are cute and you are totally off topic and breaking TOS. That is a FACT. [/*]

Hi, use iggy.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JustFacts


If Cassie is saying "Daddy did it"--and I believe she is--it is because Meredith told her "Daddy did it" and she's merely repeating what she was told, as toddlers do. imo, the child did not witness the murder nor was she able to see "boo-boos" all over Mommy, who was face down.

jmo [/*]


What do you mean Cassidy couldn't see anything, because Michelle was "face down"? That's ludicrous! There were at least 14 wounds on the back of Michelle's head and 8 on the left side. "Face down" hid NOTHING from Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I agree . I think there was trouble in paradise and MY's mother knew it . She had just spent 2 weeks alone with her mother, hadn't she ? Who knows what MY confided ? I do believe that LF may have kept that in confidence , too . I believe the sister was criticized on this board for going back and forth between the two chapels and actually offering initially for JY to stay with her after the funeral . Of course, this is all speculation on my part , and just my opinion. [/*]

If there was friction between Michelle and Jason, it is entirely possible her mother was the cause. Until Jason tells us, we won't know.

jmo

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943


LOL I think I will go to bed now. From reading your last post I think you need to ,also. Goodnight. [/*]

Always a first time for everything. so I blew it with a quote. Have you ever done the same?

I might be wrong with my suppositions of this entire case. I will admit that wrong though. Will you do the same?

Given the information I have at hand, I do believe Jason is the guilty party. As stated above, if I am wrong, I will be the first one of the many people here to admit my error. Will you?

I still can not wrap my head around the idea he has not collected on his LI policy. LE questions are one thing. Depositions are quite another. The claims I have read on the boards of his silence are that LE were "rude and accusatory" in their manner with him.
What is his excuse for the LI policy that is rightfully his? They have not accused him so why shy away from that rightful claim?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


I don't think he is relying on statistics.

I was saying that it is statistically unlikely for Meredith to be the killer.

Having said that, it is MORE statistically likely that JY is the killer. [/*]

Yes but statistics aren't evidence. LE is supposed to follow evidence, not statistics. Women are just as capable of murder as men. Look no farther than the Caffey murders to see that "statistic."

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Huge red flag in my opinion. [/*]

What's a huge red flag? There's no way to know whether he collected on the Life insurance or not. He's not a named suspect and it's not public information. I think he most definitely has collected Michelle's PE life benefits and 401 (k).

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Then HOW can Meredith stand at all the memorials, embrace her mother, greet Michelle's friends......and be a murderer??? I don't think, IMO, that it would be that easy for a sibling to do. [/*]

Of course you can't imagine it. You are a perfectly normal human being unable to crawl into the mind of an emotionless killer. The Caffrey girl watched the inferno that contained her family and then had sex with her boyfriend. There is simply no reasonable explanation for some human behavior.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by 5swab5



What do you mean Cassidy couldn't see anything, because Michelle was "face down"? That's ludicrous! There were at least 14 wounds on the back of Michelle's head and 8 on the left side. "Face down" hid NOTHING from Cassidy.

MOO

Swabby [/*]Sure did 'hide' it from Meredith. :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by oakayfine


Always a first time for everything. so I blew it with a quote. Have you ever done the same?

I might be wrong with my suppositions of this entire case. I will admit that wrong though. Will you do the same?

Given the information I have at hand, I do believe Jason is the guilty party. As stated above, if I am wrong, I will be the first one of the many people here to admit my error. Will you?

I still can not wrap my head around the idea he has not collected on his LI policy. LE questions are one thing. Depositions are quite another. The claims I have read on the boards of his silence are that LE were "rude and accusatory" in their manner with him.
What is his excuse for the LI policy that is rightfully his? They have not accused him so why shy away from that rightful claim? [/*]

Because LE has intimated that the LI was a motive for the murder.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Then HOW can Meredith stand at all the memorials, embrace her mother, greet Michelle's friends......and be a murderer??? I don't think, IMO, that it would be that easy for a sibling to do. [/*]
But easy for the husband that some have branded a murderer?

[annalyzer]

I guess I'm an other. :biggrin:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by TIAZ


The two cases are polar opposites IMO. [/*]

How so? Senseless murder is senseless murder, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego
Sure did 'hide' it from Meredith. :shrug: [/*]


indeed. She was too busy faking emotion on the 911 call. Interesting how she gave up on that half-way through the call.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Who knows, he has been silent and in hiding. [/*]
How is he 'hiding'? Does LE not know where he is?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JaneTruth


Oh, so, rather than sounding "flat," now she was "faking emotion" for part of the call, and "flat" for the rest of it?

Get over it, JF. There is nothing wrong with the call, according to dispatchers who have listened to it.

No matter how you try to spin what is simply shocked reaction into some sort of consciousness of guilt, you still come up empty.

IMO [/*]
Her call is nothing short of strange and I only know of one dispatcher who ever commented on the call and she only commented on the dispatcher, not the caller.

You can call it 'shocked reaction' all you want, doesn't make it so.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by TIAZ


Hiding from Michelle's memorials and tributes.

They know where he is, but he is hiding what he knows. [/*]
Oh, so you know for a fact that Jason has NEVER held a memorial or tribute for Michelle and didn't invite you?

He's not hiding anything. If LE can't solve the crime without Jason's help then they are inept and pathetic.