Fate of the Original Caller?

[tisamystery]

Has it occurred to anybody that Sarah made not have been found because she's already been secreted away by the FLDS? Or worse, murdered?

Regarding the confusion over Sarah reporting her husband (Barlow) and the argument that he was never in th Texas compound, could the caller have been another girl who was afraid to give her own name and circumstance, so used Sarah's to cover for herself in case the FLDS intercepted the call?

[walton]

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0411cps0411.html

Arizona child-welfare officials are investigating a call from a 16-year-old girl alleging sexual abuse in the polygamist stronghold of Colorado City - a call similar to one in Texas that led officials to raid a related polygamist compound last week and take more than 400 children into state custody.

The calls came within a week of each other and were allegedly made by girls of the same age and involved similar allegations of abuse. In both cases, the calls were made to outside organizations and referred to child-welfare authorities. In both cases, officials were unable to immediately find the girls who made the calls.


and.....

"I don't have the authority, and local officials don't have the authority, to go in and, based on an unverified phone call, sweep up 400 children," said Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard, who has made cracking down on abuses in Colorado City a hallmark of his administration. "If we found that girl (who made the allegations), we could take her into custody and perhaps her siblings in custody. There is no way in Arizona law we could reach any further."


How would they know unless they tried.

[Carol25]

At this point, if they don't find the girl, DNA tests will prove statutory rape took place. If the girls won't admit or actually don't know their ages, the documents should tell the tale.

However, will the evidence (documents) be suppressed if the FLDS lawyers lawsuits are successful and the search warrants were too broad or the girl can't be found providing "cause?'

The sheriff says he was "prepared." I hope that meant "legally" prepared.

[awareness]

On cnn.com they reported Sarah could be one of four different girls with the same name at the compound. It didn't say last name... not sure if they all have the same last name too or what.

If she said she was pregnant though, Id imagine that'd be easy to discover.

JMO/IMO

[Shells2]

Originally posted by awareness
On cnn.com they reported Sarah could be one of four different girls with the same name at the compound. It didn't say last name... not sure if they all have the same last name too or what.

If she said she was pregnant though, Id imagine that'd be easy to discover.

JMO/IMO [/*]

I just pray that poor girl is safe.

[Details]

Arizona AG is a coward - he just doesn't want to do it. Texas went in to find one girl. A search to find her is reasonable. And police are not to ignore crimes when they come upon them, so 400 children, or any number, if found in jepordy, are not a problem.

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by awareness
On cnn.com they reported Sarah could be one of four different girls with the same name at the compound. It didn't say last name... not sure if they all have the same last name too or what.

If she said she was pregnant though, Id imagine that'd be easy to discover.

JMO/IMO [/*]

If I'm reading all the articles correctly, it's not a that easy as it appears most of the girls are pregnant. So instead of identifing the needle in a haystack, you have to identify one piece of hay in the haystack.

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by Details
Arizona AG is a coward - he just doesn't want to do it. Texas went in to find one girl. A search to find her is reasonable. And police are not to ignore crimes when they come upon them, so 400 children, or any number, if found in jepordy, are not a problem. [/*]

My fear is this, what if the girl heard somehow that this happened in TX with phone calls, and hoped her "group" would be saved the same way?

Only to be told, it doesn't work that way in AZ.

Help could be so close, and now Hope may be gone.

[Shells2]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Based on the fact that the man named as her rapist and attacker appears to not have even been living in Texas at the time of the complaint, I think there's a strong possibility there is no "Sarah".

He was questioned by the Texas Rangers, and not charged today, and his lawyers stated they are compiling evidence that he wasn't living in Texas during the timeframe.

I think there's a good chance that someone who knew their practices very well, and some of the members of the cult, called in the call to alert the authorities that abuse was taking place - but in fact, a real "Sarah" 16 year old pregnant wife of the man she named, with cracked ribs, doesn't exist.

Does anyone else think that could be true - a girl making 2 calls on a "cell phone" - where would you get a cell phone in that community - seemed a little odd to me all along. [/*]

I have thought that too RR and I also have thought about the whole phone call being a farce because everyone KNEW something had to be done and the only way to do it, as was stated on the news, was AFTER a complaint had been made.

Eitherway - I'm so glad they went in there!

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Based on the fact that the man named as her rapist and attacker appears to not have even been living in Texas at the time of the complaint, I think there's a strong possibility there is no "Sarah".

He was questioned by the Texas Rangers, and not charged today, and his lawyers stated they are compiling evidence that he wasn't living in Texas during the timeframe.

I think there's a good chance that someone who knew their practices very well, and some of the members of the cult, called in the call to alert the authorities that abuse was taking place - but in fact, a real "Sarah" 16 year old pregnant wife of the man she named, with cracked ribs, doesn't exist.

Does anyone else think that could be true - a girl making 2 calls on a "cell phone" - where would you get a cell phone in that community - seemed a little odd to me all along. [/*]

maybe the girl named sarah was in the other state with the guy and that is when he did the stuff to her. then she started getting hard to control so he sent her back to the texas ranch.

[lotty]

From what I have read in the past cell phones are pretty common in their communities...access for a 16 yo I'm not sure how much access one would have, but it wouldn't be impossible.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Apparently, "Sarah's" husband hasn't been to Texas since 1977. I think the chances that "Sarah" is an actual person who is the wife of Dale Barlow, is about 0%.

I really don't understand so much of this case. I really don't believe the "Sarah" story, although I believe it represents what does happen in the compound.

But what I don't understand - at ALL - is why LE has completely turned a blind eye to young teenage boys - as young as 13 - the "Lost Boys" being dumped off in the wilderness. Is that also going to turn out not to be true?

If it is true, that's a crime, and it's much easier to prove than what they're trying to prove. This is an enormous population of people - and if these boys are regularly just pushed out of cars at the age of 13 - I'm just shaking my head in total disbelief.

Are we really talking about - say a minimum of 100 boys a year dumped?

Actual disbelief, in the literal sense of the word. [/*]

I wonder why none of these boys have came forward yet.

[Carol25]

I hadn't heard of the cracked ribs before. I think I heard during one report they have narrowed it down to four girls. Is it possible to x-ray these girls looking for cracked ribs? Would x-rays harm the baby if she was pregnant?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Apparently, "Sarah's" husband hasn't been to Texas since 1977. I think the chances that "Sarah" is an actual person who is the wife of Dale Barlow, is about 0%.

I really don't understand so much of this case. I really don't believe the "Sarah" story, although I believe it represents what does happen in the compound.

But what I don't understand - at ALL - is why LE has completely turned a blind eye to young teenage boys - as young as 13 - the "Lost Boys" being dumped off in the wilderness. Is that also going to turn out not to be true?

If it is true, that's a crime, and it's much easier to prove than what they're trying to prove. This is an enormous population of people - and if these boys are regularly just pushed out of cars at the age of 13 - I'm just shaking my head in total disbelief.

Are we really talking about - say a minimum of 100 boys a year dumped?

Actual disbelief, in the literal sense of the word. [/*]
I'm not ready to take the word of a convicted pedophile above LE. The fact that this man has been making frequent trips back and forth to Texas wouldn't surprise me at all. And getting the okay from his probation officer...hogwash! It wouldn't surprise me if he has other FLDS members lie for him as well.

As for they boys being dumped at the age of 13, some were of that age. Most likely they were older when they were a threat to the old geezers. And it doesn't make sense that they were dumped nearby. They probably drove them far away to dump them. No one would be the wiser. Some were probably allowed to stay and carry on the lineage. Those were probably the Jeffs, Steeds and Barlows.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Apparently, "Sarah's" husband hasn't been to Texas since 1977. I think the chances that "Sarah" is an actual person who is the wife of Dale Barlow, is about 0%.

I really don't understand so much of this case. I really don't believe the "Sarah" story, although I believe it represents what does happen in the compound.

But what I don't understand - at ALL - is why LE has completely turned a blind eye to young teenage boys - as young as 13 - the "Lost Boys" being dumped off in the wilderness. Is that also going to turn out not to be true?

If it is true, that's a crime, and it's much easier to prove than what they're trying to prove. This is an enormous population of people - and if these boys are regularly just pushed out of cars at the age of 13 - I'm just shaking my head in total disbelief.

Are we really talking about - say a minimum of 100 boys a year dumped?

Actual disbelief, in the literal sense of the word. [/*]

IMO,LE better find the girl quick or it could affect this case.

[giddyupalw]

This case sickens me ... and I wish I could read more than I have... The children should be protected and the women should have some help!! Most of these Men should be ... well I won't go there... God bless them all!!

:rose:

[Carol25]

On the thread, FLDS MEMBERS READ THIS, Children Protection Services have a list of children they have in custody at this time. Guess who's name in on there.... Sara Barlow!

Let's hope it's the right one! :)

[Details]

They said names repeat all the time in the cult - the Dale Barlowe they found who can prove that he's not in Arizona may well be a different Dale than Sarah's Dale. But I think none of this changes anything about what they did find in the compound. The phone call gives them reasonable cause to go in there, and from there, what was found is completely legitimate to be used - including the 16 year old girl with 4 children.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25

I'm not ready to take the word of a convicted pedophile above LE. The fact that this man has been making frequent trips back and forth to Texas wouldn't surprise me at all. And getting the okay from his probation officer...hogwash! It wouldn't surprise me if he has other FLDS members lie for him as well.

As for they boys being dumped at the age of 13, some were of that age. Most likely they were older when they were a threat to the old geezers. And it doesn't make sense that they were dumped nearby. They probably drove them far away to dump them. No one would be the wiser. Some were probably allowed to stay and carry on the lineage. Those were probably the Jeffs, Steeds and Barlows. [/*]
Sorry, must post my conspiracy theory one more time. Who's to say she wasn't married to him UP There and complained a lot and became a problem, then was transported DOWN Here to be re-married (and kept quiet and secured in the desolate compound at Eldorado)?

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by Freebird


I wonder why none of these boys have came forward yet. [/*]

Oh, they have. For years. When I lived in Phoenix there were several stories in the papers and on telelvision news interviewing these boys. It's well known in Phoenix.

I think the news is so focused on the abused children and women right now that they haven't followed up on the lost boys. They probably will at a later date.

[Freebird]

I wonder if the girl has chosen to remain "hidden" cause of any guilt and shame she may feel over these kids now possibly being seperated from their families.In the phonecall,she only talks about herself being rescued.She had no idea(and didn't plan)for LE to go in and clean the place out.She may have thought they would come only for her.Not to say she doesn't care about the other kids,but I don't think this is what she had in mind when she called(if she even did call).

[gorbal]

What I find strange is how few of these boys have come forward even with a fund in place for them.

I wonder if "Sarah" even knew what state she was in.