Friday 04-11-08 ***** (5 star day)

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


The DA and the CSutherland both used the past tense when referring to Mrs L being a cooperating witness. [/*]

It was made clear by Christina's lawyer, while standing there with the DA, she was never a suspect in the murder, cover up, or escape. She is not charged now and he said he does not expect any charges against Christina in the future. I really can't understand just what about that is so hard to understand.:shrug:

jmo

:chicken:

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by daniel green


I did not think that it was anything about the marines. Not at all.

But that he will not be a high-profile inmate, and that he is innnocent till proven guilty.

That he is not an animal or some exhibit. I did think it had to do with the swarm of ppl who might go watch him be taken into custody in Onslow Cty. [/*]

Could be possible Security concerns, crowd control. I wonder if they will jail him separately away from general population. How the story goes about baby killers especially. SB must sense the hate this crime has created in their little town, now prime time press conferences and interviews. Will only get worse, hope trial is live JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde
So if I know where a fugitive is at and am in contact with him and have been for a couple months and he's asking me for help, I don't have to turn that in to authorities? And I can get away with it? [/*]

As long as you do not provide the help.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by daniel green


I did not think that it was anything about the marines. Not at all.

But that he will not be a high-profile inmate, and that he is innnocent till proven guilty.

That he is not an animal or some exhibit. I did think it had to do with the swarm of ppl who might go watch him be taken into custody in Onslow Cty. [/*] ITA, and additionally LE does not want to be accused of tainting the jury pool. They need a clean trial and no Appellate issues. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits



NAH, I don't think so. I think they have plenty against CL that they haven't told us. LE has already told us that suicide has been ruled out. What jury, if it ever gets to a jury, is going to believe that CL didn't kill her (when he admits he buried and burned her, then ran away). IMO [/*]

Well I don't think suicide is going to be his defense, but I just hope there's more that points more to Cesar and away from Christina. 'Cause as it stands right now, I'm not getting the feeling this is a slam dunk case against Cesar Laurean.

But that's just me and my JMO.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by JD81


It was made clear by Christina's lawyer, while standing there with the DA, she was never a suspect in the murder, cover up, or escape. She is not charged now and he said he does not expect any charges against Christina in the future. I really can't understand just what about that is so hard to understand.:shrug:

jmo

[/*]

NO!!!! :eek:

You don't say! :eek:

Her LAWYER said she was not a suspect and had nothing to do with the murder, cover up or escape????????

What were the odds, really?

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by AmyO
Well listen you all wonderful posters, I have to go for the evening. Keep the fires burning in pursuit of the truth in this case! You all have a nice evening!! :seeya: [/*]:seeya: have a Good Evening !

[daniel green]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


I wonder if they will jail him separately away from general population. snipped[/*]

The Sheriff said no.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde
So if I know where a fugitive is at and am in contact with him and have been for a couple months and he's asking me for help, I don't have to turn that in to authorities? And I can get away with it? [/*]

The Fox commentator commented on that.

She said it reminded her of the Jessica Lunsford case when the three POSs knew where Couey was and in their home and didn't breath a word to LE about it.

They were never charged with anything.

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by n/t


There was no need to express an opinion of what they thought or not of him. Stick to legalties. Period. [/*]

So saying he is not an animal is wrong?

OK.

[caejde]

Originally posted by daniel green


As long as you do not provide the help. [/*]

But knowing where the fugitive is and not turning him in is helping...isn't it?

And no I'm not trying to be a smart aleck...I'm asking a serious question.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


It was made clear by Christina's lawyer, while standing there with the DA, she was never a suspect in the murder, cover up, or escape. She is not charged now and he said he does not expect any charges against Christina in the future. I really can't understand just what about that is so hard to understand.:shrug:

jmo

:chicken: [/*]

We're not in Kansas anymore :chicken: and any defense lawyer is going to do what was done today, we are still wide open to see Christina charged. They are not saying no further charges from what I heard. JMOOC.

[mini-me]

Originally posted by bkwits



What either SB or Captain Cutie stated that it is not a crime for Ctina to be communicating with Cesar. It only becomes a crime if she helped such as sending him money, etc. He said she didn't help him. [/*]What about the dollars spent looking for him when all she had to do was tell LE where he was. What if he had of committed another crime while on the run. I think the law needs to be changed. Is it like this in other States to.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Unless they never announce the day or time he'll be back in Onslow County, there will be a swarm of people. Bank on it. In fact, if I can get there in time....... [/*]

I don't doubt it.

It's troubling to me and I guess it was troubling to the old sheriff, too, which is why he said what he did about CL not being an animal and how he will be just another inmate in jail.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


NO!!!! :eek:

You don't say! :eek:

Her LAWYER said she was not a suspect and had nothing to do with the murder, cover up or escape????????

What were the odds, really? [/*]

Do you think he got OT pay for that?:confused:

[Kel65]

Originally posted by JD81


It was made clear by Christina's lawyer, while standing there with the DA, she was never a suspect in the murder, cover up, or escape. She is not charged now and he said he does not expect any charges against Christina in the future. I really can't understand just what about that is so hard to understand.:shrug:

jmo

:chicken: [/*]

It is not about understanding. I do understand that he is doing the job that he was hired to do for his client. Sorry, I'm not naiive enought to take the word of a lawyer as gospel. JMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by daniel green


NO!!!! :eek:

You don't say! :eek:

Her LAWYER said she was not a suspect and had nothing to do with the murder, cover up or escape????????

What were the odds, really? [/*]lol...

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde


But knowing where the fugitive is and not turning him in is helping...isn't it?

And no I'm not trying to be a smart aleck...I'm asking a serious question. [/*]

It's not against the law not to turn a fugitive in.

Which, I guess, is helping, but not in the way that giving the fugitive money would be.

[Postergeist]

I never was one to think he would take his own life, but had thought there was a possibility he might've been murdered.

Since I haven't learned how long he'd had email communication with his wife (I recall the mailed letters months ago that some had been intercepted) I figured it would be some time for him to be captured and that it would likely be from either a citizen reporting it, or the Mexican govt. or possibily a bounty hunter.

Not anyone in the US LE, which in fact, turns out to be the case.

So from what I saw on the news today, all credit goes to the local Mexican police that stopped him, questioned him and brought him in and then notified US authorities.

I've never understood why an innocent person would flee, but from all accounts he seems to have quite the support system with his family, extended family and his wife. And his wife having quite the support system from the MC and the local LE.

Too bad the same couldn't have been said for the murdered Marine, Maria and her unborn child. imo

:rose:

[VC2]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
ITA, and additionally LE does not want to be accused of tainting the jury pool. They need a clean trial and no Appellate issues. JMO [/*]

I also had a feeling that he was speaking to members of CL's family to tell them that they will not be treating him with anything but the respect due a human being no matter what they are charged with. Its not a country that uses rubber hoses any longer.

Another group could be mexico, and the mexican family members.

jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Do you think he got OT pay for that?:confused: [/*]

Ugh.

You know how I hate it when ppl start talking about how someone's lawyer truly and utterly believes his client and that's why he/she is representing the client. :rolleyes:

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


NO!!!! :eek:

You don't say! :eek:

Her LAWYER said she was not a suspect and had nothing to do with the murder, cover up or escape????????

What were the odds, really? [/*]


While standing right beside the DA in the case.:lol:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


NO!!!! :eek:

You don't say! :eek:

Her LAWYER said she was not a suspect and had nothing to do with the murder, cover up or escape????????

What were the odds, really? [/*]

Don't ALL criminal defense attorneys come out and state their client was a suspect and they had something to do with the crime, cover up and escape?:biggrin: Just kidding! lol

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by VC2


I also had a feeling that he was speaking to members of CL's family to tell them that they will not be treating him with anything but the respect due a human being no matter what they are charged with. Its not a country that uses rubber hoses any longer.

Another group could be mexico, and the mexican family members.

jmo [/*]

Yep.

That's sure how I see it, too.

He said that the Laureans have been and will continue to be in his prayers.

I thought it was a real stand up thing to say and a good reminder for ppl who forget in the public spectacle of such cases, that all the principals are human beings, with families and loved ones.

Not to mention that thankfully we are a nation of rules and law.

[JD81]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Don't ALL criminal defense attorneys come out and state their client was a suspect and they had something to do with the crime, cover up and escape?:biggrin: Just kidding! lol

imoo [/*]


:lol: Christina won't be charged. Deal with it. jk

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81



While standing right beside the DA in the case.:lol: [/*]

:confused: It's no more against the law than talking to her sweetie. He can lie like a rug (MAY IT RIP CRYME) and still collect his money.

:chicken: jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by JD81



While standing right beside the DA in the case.:lol: [/*]

Why not? They stand in a courtroom and say that kind of stuff beside the DA and in front of the judge and jury every day.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Don't ALL criminal defense attorneys come out and state their client was a suspect and they had something to do with the crime, cover up and escape?:biggrin: Just kidding! lol

imoo [/*]

Yes!

Were you not expecting him to say, well, you all, she really is guilty as sin?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by caejde


But knowing where the fugitive is and not turning him in is helping...isn't it?

And no I'm not trying to be a smart aleck...I'm asking a serious question. [/*]

Maybe she didn't know exactly where he was...just that he was in Mexico. I don't know.

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:confused: It's no more against the law than talking to her sweetie. He can lie like a rug (MAY IT RIP CRYME) and still collect his money.

:chicken: jmo [/*]


I know this is very hard to accept but you're going to have to deal with it.

jmo

:chicken:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by JD81



:lol: Christina won't be charged. Deal with it. jk [/*]

Would you pls explain this?

Why would anyone here have to "deal with it" or not?

Nobody here has any personal investment in this case nor is anyone here tied to any principal.

I don't understand this concept.

Thank you.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yes!

Were you not expecting him to say, well, you all, she really is guilty as sin? [/*]

I heard him say that Christina has not been a suspect since
ALMOST the beginning of this....

[caejde]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe she didn't know exactly where he was...just that he was in Mexico. I don't know. [/*]

But there was an article that said she had unmailed letters...so she must have had an address. I don't know. I'll keep my opinions to myself.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yes!

Were you not expecting him to say, well, you all, she really is guilty as sin? [/*]


:lol:

[Kel65]

Originally posted by caejde


But there was an article that said she had unmailed letters...so she must have had an address. I don't know. I'll keep my opinions to myself. [/*]

She probably knew she could mail them to the Uncle and he would see to it that Cesar received them. JMO and speculation.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:confused: It's no more against the law than talking to her sweetie. He can lie like a rug (MAY IT RIP CRYME) and still collect his money.

:chicken: jmo [/*]

I think I'm due 1/8 crow for the rug, and

1/8 crow for believing he was dead,

1/8 for thinking the cousin was a fraud,

and 1/8 for thinking he was never in Mexico.

Please hold the other half (I heard it freezes well :D ) and pass the Chardonnay!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Geez....there's something wrong in this world. If my neighbor killed someone and ran and became a fugitive, then made contact with me and maybe even planned to meet up with me, and I did not notify LE, then that wouldn't even be considered a misdemeanor?

All I can say is that everyone was on their best behavior today at the PC..."Bless Christina's little heart.....she is torn....." Behind the scenes, I'd bet my pants that LE is HOT over the fact she didn't inform them of her contact with CL. She didn't volunteer it, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the Search Warrant. I don't think we're seeing the whole story.... [/*]

And if they trusted her they sure wouldn't have seized her personal diaries either.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Geez....there's something wrong in this world. If my neighbor killed someone and ran and became a fugitive, then made contact with me and maybe even planned to meet up with me, and I did not notify LE, then that wouldn't even be considered a misdemenor?

All I can say is that everyone was on their best behavior today at the PC..."Bless Christina's little heart.....she is torn....." Behind the scenes, I'd bet my pants that LE is HOT over the fact she didn't inform them of her contact with CL. She didn't volunteer it, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the Search Warrent. I don't think we're seeing the whole story.... [/*]

again...the Search Warrant may have been to benefit the fact
that LEs DO NOT want Cesar to know she is cooperating with
them.......

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by VC2


I also had a feeling that he was speaking to members of CL's family to tell them that they will not be treating him with anything but the respect due a human being no matter what they are charged with. Its not a country that uses rubber hoses any longer.

Another group could be mexico, and the mexican family members.

jmo [/*] Yes, OK, that works too. Expanding on your thought process, what about LE letting Caesar & his Family know he'd be treated better in a US jail than a Mexican jail, thus hoping he'd waive Extradiction? Subtle hints in other words. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by sunstar

And it makes me wonder just where he has been, until he ran out of money. [/*]

Sorry, not caught up, so don't know if this has been answered.

But, where he'd been staying was land owned by his uncle and ppl who lived in the town said that an older woman who'd they thought was his mother visited him.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Do you think he got OT pay for that?:confused: [/*]

Wonder who's paying for his services? Certainly Christina can't on her salary.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think I'm due 1/8 crow for the rug, and

1/8 crow for believing he was dead,

1/8 for thinking the cousin was a fraud,

and 1/8 for thinking he was never in Mexico.

Please hold the other half (I heard it freezes well :D ) and pass the Chardonnay! [/*]

:lol:

[caejde]

Originally posted by JanDoe


again...the Search Warrant may have been to benefit the fact
that LEs DO NOT want Cesar to know she is cooperating with
them....... [/*]

All over the news now...so he probably knows.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think I'm due 1/8 crow for the rug, and

1/8 crow for believing he was dead,

1/8 for thinking the cousin was a fraud,

and 1/8 for thinking he was never in Mexico.

Please hold the other half (I heard it freezes well :D ) and pass the Chardonnay! [/*]

Bless you heart, Cryme.

Gimme my crow for saying he wasn't going to be arrested in Mexico.

But I am surely vindicated in the fact that nobody living around him had ever heard a thing about this case.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe she didn't know exactly where he was...just that he was in Mexico. I don't know. [/*]

If she received electronic communications from him, those came attached with an IP number that could have been traced to exactly where he was sitting at the time he sent them. She doesn't have to know where he is, the FBI can trace that information in a matter of minutes.

IF they're aware of the communications.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by mini-me
What about the dollars spent looking for him when all she had to do was tell LE where he was. What if he had of committed another crime while on the run. I think the law needs to be changed. Is it like this in other States to. [/*]


Well, morally that may be true, but legally, she is not required to tell or even to tell if she knows of a crime that he committed. Now, if she helped plan it, or cover-up the crime it's a different story. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


And if they trusted her they sure wouldn't have seized her personal diaries either.

imoo [/*]

Have they used the word "seized" regarding the diaries.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder who's paying for his services? Certainly Christina can't on her salary. [/*]

Her parents?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


snipped

He was from another country...he had somewhere to flee to where he had familiarity. Christina did not.

imoo [/*]

I bet he is wishing he'd kept up with his Spanish, huh?

[n/t]

Originally posted by daniel green


So saying he is not an animal is wrong?

OK. [/*]

Yes it's wrong.

[JanDoe]

SB's address as to the treatment Cesar should expect upon his return may have been to the Mexican Authorities in assurance and quick return for trial.

[caejde]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Her parents? [/*]

Probably. Interesting how whenever reporters called the Shiffletts, they hung up. You'd think they be happy...afterall they went on national tv before and said it would be better for him to turn himself in than be captured.

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think I'm due 1/8 crow for the rug, and

1/8 crow for believing he was dead,

1/8 for thinking the cousin was a fraud,

and 1/8 for thinking he was never in Mexico.

Please hold the other half (I heard it freezes well :D ) and pass the Chardonnay! [/*]

and what about the Minute Maid punch cryme? ahummm

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by caejde


But there was an article that said she had unmailed letters...so she must have had an address. I don't know. I'll keep my opinions to myself. [/*]

They may have been unmailed because she did not have an address yet:shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
First time I read this, about tears:

"He appeared slightly disoriented and stared straight ahead, his eyes occasionally filling up with tears as he answered a reporter's questions in terse phrases."

http://wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/ [/*]

He looks absolutely petrified in that video.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


And if they trusted her they sure wouldn't have seized her personal diaries either.

imoo [/*]

I'm sorry GB but I've got to ask. THey seized CSLs personal diaries? For real?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by n/t


Yes it's wrong. [/*]

:confused:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder who's paying for his services? Certainly Christina can't on her salary. [/*]

I have no idea.

But I would bet the chickens that he is doing it for free.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by caejde


Probably. Interesting how whenever reporters called the Shiffletts, they hung up. You'd think they be happy...afterall they went on national tv before and said it would be better for him to turn himself in than be captured. [/*]

Yes, that was interesting.

(Maybe that was the first they'd heard about the communications or the diary?)

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


I'm sorry GB but I've got to ask. THey seized CSLs personal diaries? For real? [/*]

That's what I've read....but I dunno.

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


All over the news now...so he probably knows. [/*]

and if he was able to access a computer to communicate w/ family he surely was looking to see what was going on with the case. Don't think he'd ignore the chance to look up the latest and greatest.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81



I know this is very hard to accept but you're going to have to deal with it.

jmo

:chicken: [/*]

Oh now, it's no more something to accept than if you had said you wouldn't be posting here today, YKWIM???:D

Some of us know all is not lost, and tomorrow may bring new and revealing evidence for Christina.

JMO. :chicken:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


:confused: [/*]

Me, too. Totally :confused:

BTW, I am half-way thinking that if they have not arrested her today, she is not gonna be arrested.

Then, again, I start thinking, well, maybe they will.

But, if I had to absolutely bet on it today, I would say she will not be.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by mini-me
What about the dollars spent looking for him when all she had to do was tell LE where he was. What if he had of committed another crime while on the run. I think the law needs to be changed. Is it like this in other States to. [/*]
I agree with you and others who think this is wrong. I'm surprised that "as long as you don't help" there isn't anything wrong. I too think that anyone who doesn't report where a fugitive is, IS helping. MOO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



I don't think Cesar knows much about current events...seeing he's been living in a field eating fruit and not subscibing to the "News and Observer." Besides, LE are experts at keeping things under wraps.....they wouldn't have to say anything to the public about the computer, the diary, or any other volunteered information.

I'll admit I'm not the most "in the know" person, but regardless of what SB says....the arrest was a fluke. That seems pretty obvious unless there is a conspiracy of info out there that they're hiding. CL was stopped at a random checkpoint and gave his real name and they called it in because he spoke English (and that was suspicious). Heck, they didn't even recognize his name!

I'm not saying, BTW, that LE is not smart and that the FBI didn't help, etc. But there was more back-patting going on today than was needed. [/*]

they stated today they had a good idea he was in the area....they
had to know something, after all, Mexico is a very large country.

Cesar had access to a computer and very well could have known
what we all know anyway.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


and what about the Minute Maid punch cryme? ahummm [/*]

All right, but you're gonna have to throw in a bottle of vodka to make that stuff drinkable.

:D

[JD81]

Originally posted by n/t


Yes it's wrong. [/*]

That's just SB. He always had a way with words.:D Hangers too. jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



snipped

I'm not saying, BTW, that LE is not smart and that the FBI didn't help, etc. But there was more back-patting going on today than was needed. [/*]

I so agree.

A whole lot more back-patting than was called for.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


again...the Search Warrant may have been to benefit the fact
that LEs DO NOT want Cesar to know she is cooperating with
them....... [/*]

That just can't be true imo.

If he had Internet access he has seen the label of "cooperating witness" attached to his wife ever since he has been gone.

IMO she had no clue they were going to raid her sister's home and seize the computer....her personal diaries and letters she had written to him.

imoo

[Devotion]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

:D Vegas, what are the odds????

Unreal and to think this woman has not lied and fed

whoever whatever they wanted to hear is living in
LaLa Land IMO.

Christina needs to be held accountable for her role in this sad tale IMO.
Time will tell. :patriot:

jmo [/*]

Candy, good points...
Her actions have convinced me "she didn't know when to back-off"and let him go.".....jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green


I bet he is wishing he'd kept up with his Spanish, huh? [/*]
Yup that helped give him away, not that he was trying to give a false name or anything like that. Gotta say people that speak fluent spanish kinda look funny at people who should know how to speak spanish fluently that umm don't.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by JanDoe


they stated today they had a good idea he was in the area....they
had to know something, after all, Mexico is a very large country. [/*]

Yes, after they checked the computer and got their hands on the IP numbers of the computer(s) he was using, they pretty much narrowed down his location.

IMO (and because they said they developed the information within the past couple of weeks which is when they seized Amber's computer.)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by n/t


Yes it's wrong. [/*]

OK, then.

Maybe he should have said that CL is a monster and an animal and that he is convicted already sans trial and give visiting hours to the petting zoo where they will house him. Oh, and maybe sticks for people to poke him with.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Sorry, not caught up, so don't know if this has been answered.

But, where he'd been staying was land owned by his uncle and ppl who lived in the town said that an older woman who'd they thought was his mother visited him. [/*]
Thanks :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


I have no idea.

But I would bet the chickens that he is doing it for free. [/*]

Oh no, not the chickens again. Their feathers are becoming frayed from being tossed around IMO. I can't see thru all the feathers in the air. :chicken:

I too think this may be a free defense and agree that I would like to see someone of Tacopina's caliber and media savvy on the defense team for Cesar to help achieve a fair trial.

JMO:patriot:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10

Yup that helped give him away, not that he was trying to give a false name or anything like that. Gotta say people that speak fluent spanish kinda look funny at people who should know how to speak spanish fluently that umm don't. [/*]

It was the first thing I thought of. How he had not kept up with his Spanish, which was his native tongue.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That just can't be true imo.

If he had Internet access he has seen the label of "cooperating witness" attached to his wife ever since he has been gone.

IMO she had no clue they were going to raid her sister's home and seize the computer....her personal diaries and letters she had written to him.

imoo [/*]

with just that info....Cesar would have thought his story was
sticking and he could depend on Christina to continue to
cooperate with what facts were being told. However, I believe
Christina was helping LEs and was betraying Cesar all the way.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by strick10


and if he was able to access a computer to communicate w/ family he surely was looking to see what was going on with the case. Don't think he'd ignore the chance to look up the latest and greatest. [/*] My thoughts exactly, I'am sure he has been searching the web for months. Could have even been reading here for all we know. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green


He looks absolutely petrified in that video. [/*]

That boy is scared poop less as he very well should be.

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green


I have no idea.

But I would bet the chickens that he is doing it for free. [/*]

I was thinking along the same lines.....

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh no, not the chickens again. Their feathers are becoming frayed from being tossed around IMO. I can't see thru all the feathers in the air. :chicken:

I too think this may be a free defense and agree that I would like to see someone of Tacopina's caliber and media savvy on the defense team for Cesar to help achieve a fair trial.

JMO:patriot: [/*]

I don't think LT's chickens were working this case. jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh no, not the chickens again. Their feathers are becoming frayed from being tossed around IMO. I can't see thru all the feathers in the air. :chicken:

I too think this may be a free defense and agree that I would like to see someone of Tacopina's caliber and media savvy on the defense team for Cesar to help achieve a fair trial.

JMO:patriot: [/*]

When life hands you feathers, make a feather-duster!

Cluck, cluck, cluck!

I betcha anything it's a free defense. He gets all this free publicity and it's a great deal for him.

I was just thinking the same thing, CK! That I sure hope CL has a good defense team, with someone experienced in media campaigns.

Maybe one of those lawyers who represented the LAX players.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Yes, they knew he was in the area of Mexico and found out specifically where when he was stopped by Mexican authorities at a random checkpoint.

They said themselves they had their hearts set on getting him in the US...so they could seek the death penalty. [/*]

By using Christina to lure him back into the US they could have.
I believe they wanted Cesar to trust Christina.

I heard SB say today that they had an idea he was in that area
for about a month.......

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Me, too. Totally :confused:

BTW, I am half-way thinking that if they have not arrested her today, she is not gonna be arrested.

Then, again, I start thinking, well, maybe they will.

But, if I had to absolutely bet on it today, I would say she will not be. [/*]

I don't frankly see anything for her to be arrested for. They explained evidence has shown that she was not involved. I don't have it verbatim, I'm sure the transcript is up somewhere. And they explained about how communicating with him was not illegal. Unless something really huge came up that they are unaware of or overlooked (and I DOUBT that is possible), I truly believe she won't be charged nor does she deserve to be charged with anything. And in that case, yes, sorry, she IS another of Cesar's victims.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe she didn't know exactly where he was...just that he was in Mexico. I don't know. [/*]


I think she knew. I think one of the LE or FBI guy said she knew.

What I'm wondering is how did LE know that he was communicating with Ctina?

[strick10]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



I don't think Cesar knows much about current events...seeing he's been living in a field eating fruit and not subscibing to the "News and Observer." Besides, LE are experts at keeping things under wraps.....they wouldn't have to say anything to the public about the computer, the diary, or any other volunteered information.

I'll admit I'm not the most "in the know" person, but regardless of what SB says....the arrest was a fluke. That seems pretty obvious unless there is a conspiracy of info out there that they're hiding. CL was stopped at a random checkpoint and gave his real name and they called it in because he spoke English (and that was suspicious). Heck, they didn't even recognize his name!

I'm not saying, BTW, that LE is not smart and that the FBI didn't help, etc. But there was more back-patting going on today than was needed. [/*]

I agree 100% regarding the LE and FBI back patting today. It was a fluke that he was found in the manner he was. He gave his real name.....I think he was ready to face up to the music.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by daniel green


OK, then.

Maybe he should have said that CL is a monster and an animal and that he is convicted already sans trial and give visiting hours to the petting zoo where they will house him. Oh, and maybe sticks for people to poke him with. [/*]

:lol:

Petting zoo!

Post of the day!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by sherryhefner




Congratulations daniel green on your senior member status!!!
:beer:
(root beer, of course) [/*]

Thx!

I NEVER make it to 1000! :D

BAYWENCH, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rose:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10


I agree 100% regarding the LE and FBI back patting today. It was a fluke that he was found in the manner he was. He gave his real name.....I think he was ready to face up to the music. [/*]

Yep.

And I think he will come back without fighting extradiction.

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


All right, but you're gonna have to throw in a bottle of vodka to make that stuff drinkable.

:D [/*]

It's a done deal if I don't spill it in my garage to cover up something.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


All right, but you're gonna have to throw in a bottle of vodka to make that stuff drinkable.

:D [/*]

Hey it's Friday night!!!!!!! Wooooohoooooo. :beer:

[JD81]

Originally posted by daniel green


Thx!

I NEVER make it to 1000! :D

BAYWENCH, THIS ONE'S FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rose: [/*]

How long did it take you, 2 days?:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits



I think she knew. I think one of the LE or FBI guy said she knew.

What I'm wondering is how did LE know that he was communicating with Ctina? [/*]

Somewhere there is a link that they received a tip.

(My chickens bet would be on Amber, but please don't quote me 'cause I got one of those little crow bones lodged in my throat 'cause Candy didn't give me the boneless ones!)

*Ack....ack.....*

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think I'm due 1/8 crow for the rug, and

1/8 crow for believing he was dead,

1/8 for thinking the cousin was a fraud,

and 1/8 for thinking he was never in Mexico.

Please hold the other half (I heard it freezes well :D ) and pass the Chardonnay! [/*]

Awe Cryme, I almost missed that. We can save the other half on the chance that Christina beats the rap and keeps going in love with a man more deserving of her admiration. JMO. :biggrin:

It's sad to think we will never hear tales of the BOLO 4 RUG on TRAVEL. I hope you had the pic added to Nutty's album for nostalgic purposes.

JMO.

[JanDoe]

Cesar had access to a computer and that means he had access
to the same information we have had over the last 3 mos.

Sounds like Cesar was using the computer too.

[Razzy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JD81


It was made clear by Christina's lawyer, while standing there with the DA, she was never a suspect in the murder, cover up, or escape. She is not charged now and he said he does not expect any charges against Christina in the future. I really can't understand just what about that is so hard to understand.:shrug:

jmo

Perhaps because he's a defense attorney.

I do believe she is involved, to what degree she's involved, has yet to be revealed. Whether after the fact, during the crime, or allowing him time to get a 12 hrs head start, she's involved, she's not the innocent little uninvolved niave woman her att. is attempting to portray. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't frankly see anything for her to be arrested for. They explained evidence has shown that she was not involved. I don't have it verbatim, I'm sure the transcript is up somewhere. And they explained about how communicating with him was not illegal. Unless something really huge came up that they are unaware of or overlooked (and I DOUBT that is possible), I truly believe she won't be charged nor does she deserve to be charged with anything. And in that case, yes, sorry, she IS another of Cesar's victims. [/*]

Oh, I agree about it not being illegal that she did not turn him in.

There was just something in the way the cooperating witness thing was said.

I dunno.

There is something not right about that. Some back story there.

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits



I think she knew. I think one of the LE or FBI guy said she knew.

What I'm wondering is how did LE know that he was communicating with Ctina? [/*]

The riddle guy on the JD News comments section.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Somewhere there is a link that they received a tip.

(My chickens bet would be on Amber, but please don't quote me 'cause I got one of those little crow bones lodged in my throat 'cause Candy didn't give me the boneless ones!)

*Ack....ack.....* [/*]

Put my chickens on the husband or boyfriend. Cannot remember if Amber is married or not.

[Calla]

Can someone tell me.....
since I missed the news conf. and the last month or more of postings :(

Did they report that when caught he stated re: Maria...."I loved her" ???

[JanDoe]

.

geez....someone from LE was sitting right next to Christina every
time she replyed to his e-mails.......JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Somewhere there is a link that they received a tip.

(My chickens bet would be on Amber, but please don't quote me 'cause I got one of those little crow bones lodged in my throat 'cause Candy didn't give me the boneless ones!)

*Ack....ack.....* [/*]

Hang in there, today I learned that integrity is just a bone away. JMO.

barf I would love to know who gave her up tho. I don't need any PICS daniel, just knowing would do the job for me.

JMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Awe Cryme, I almost missed that. We can save the other half on the chance that Christina beats the rap and keeps going in love with a man more deserving of her admiration. JMO. :biggrin:

It's sad to think we will never hear tales of the BOLO 4 RUG on TRAVEL. I hope you had the pic added to Nutty's album for nostalgic purposes.

JMO. [/*]

A sweeter post I have never seen.

<wipes tear from eye>

Long live the rug!

:beer:

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yep.

And I think he will come back without fighting extradiction. [/*]

Yup, he's ready to come back.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JanDoe
.

geez....someone from LE was sitting right next to Christina every
time she replyed to his e-mails.......JMO [/*]

:chicken: OMG, that must be why they raided the house and took her diaries too right?

Silly me. JMO.:patriot:

[JD81]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


A sweeter post I have never seen.

<wipes tear from eye>

Long live the rug!

:beer: [/*]

and :chicken: too.:D

[strick10]

Originally posted by JanDoe
.

geez....someone from LE was sitting right next to Christina every
time she replyed to his e-mails.......JMO [/*]

Really? Then why the raid?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by JanDoe
.

geez....someone from LE was sitting right next to Christina every
time she replyed to his e-mails.......JMO [/*]
Help me understand then why would LE need to seize her sister's computer if Mrs. CL was working with LE? Why wouldn't LE give her a computer to use? I'd hate to think that if it were my sister who was Mrs. CL that I'd lose my computer because she's using it to help out LE. :confused:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by strick10


Yup, he's ready to come back. [/*]

I agree too....did anyone notice the blood on his wrist where
the handcuff had cut into it?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by daniel green


Put my chickens on the husband or boyfriend. Cannot remember if Amber is married or not. [/*]

Yes, Amber is married.

And it could have possibly been either one of them. Maybe they just got fed up with all the scrutiny and felt like this needed to be over with, sister or not.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I agree too....did anyone notice the blood on his wrist where
the handcuff had cut into it? [/*]

WHich picture JanDoe?

[JD81]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I agree too....did anyone notice the blood on his wrist where
the handcuff had cut into it? [/*]

Yes, which reminds me I hope they have him on suicide watch if they even have that there.

jmo:chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

Help me understand then why would LE need to seize her sister's computer if Mrs. CL was working with LE? Why wouldn't LE give her a computer to use? I'd hate to think that if it were my sister who was Mrs. CL that I'd lose my computer because she's using it to help out LE. :confused: [/*]

I would think so and I would also think that it could be networked so they could get the emails in real time as opposed to having to break up the hard drive.

But maybe I watch too much 48 Hours?

:shrug:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by sunstar

Help me understand then why would LE need to seize her sister's computer if Mrs. CL was working with LE? I'd hate to think that if it were my sister who was Mrs. CL that I'd lose my computer because she's using it to help out LE. :confused: [/*]

Legal maneuver? We don't know what they were and are doing
in this investigation. But, I bet all of Christina's family are cooperating with LE and have been imo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I agree too....did anyone notice the blood on his wrist where
the handcuff had cut into it? [/*]

I thought it was another tatoo?

:shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Hang in there, today I learned that integrity is just a bone away. JMO.

snipped. [/*]

LAUGHED OUT LOUD.

Oh, CK, that was priceless.

You know I am gonna have that in my head all day--to the tune of the Stone's "it's just a shout away."

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I would think so and I would also think that it could be networked so they could get the emails in real time as opposed to having to break up the hard drive.

But maybe I watch too much 48 Hours?

:shrug: [/*]
I guess I do too. Computer networking ~ what a unique concept!! ;)

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by strick10


WHich picture JanDoe? [/*]

on the cnn video that was run on tv this morning.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I thought it was another tatoo?

:shrug: [/*]

Sure looked like blood from the cuffs.

And someone pls tell me why that camera was at his feet shooting UP. Weird.

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I thought it was another tatoo?

:shrug: [/*]
Which picture cryme.....? I've asked which one and I'm not getting and answer will you please help for a vodka and punch?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Somewhere there is a link that they received a tip.

(My chickens bet would be on Amber, but please don't quote me 'cause I got one of those little crow bones lodged in my throat 'cause Candy didn't give me the boneless ones!)

*Ack....ack.....* [/*]

Good guess.

:biggrin:

[nana2]

Originally posted by JanDoe


on the cnn video that was run on tv this morning. [/*] I saw something but thought it was some kinda red string/bracelet or something, I'm gonna have to go look closer now :read:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

I guess I do too. Computer networking ~ what a unique concept!! ;) [/*]

Hey, it works for teenagers, I just don't know why the FBI never thought about it.

:D

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by Calla
Can someone tell me.....
since I missed the news conf. and the last month or more of postings :(

Did they report that when caught he stated re: Maria...."I loved her" ??? [/*]

The original article has many updates and that statement by Cesar Laurean can be found towards the end of the article.

I loved her," Laurean said Thursday night, when a Mexican reporter asked if he killed Lauterbach.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11/missing.marine/index.html

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yes, Amber is married.

And it could have possibly been either one of them. Maybe they just got fed up with all the scrutiny and felt like this needed to be over with, sister or not.

JMO [/*]

YEP.

BTW, not the brightest move on earth, to go use the sister's computer...:rolleyes:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10

Which picture cryme.....? I've asked which one and I'm not getting and answer will you please help for a vodka and punch? [/*]

The things I do for liquor......

Hold on, Lynn's probably gonna beat me to it 'cause she's sober and all....

[hinman]

OK so what did I miss today. I am in dire need of a recap..

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Hey, it works for teenagers, I just don't know why the FBI never thought about it.

:D [/*]
They were busy working on the retouched photo of him with the curly beard, remember? :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I agree too....did anyone notice the blood on his wrist where
the handcuff had cut into it? [/*]

No I didn't see that. I did notice that they handled him very respectfully. They seemed to find him non aggressive and docile and did not seem him as one who may be threatening.

moo

[daniel green]

On the top of his left wrist, iirc. Right above the cuff. It happens sometimes if the cuff is too tight.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


No I didn't see that. I did notice that they handled him very respectfully. They seemed to find him non aggressive and docile and did not seem him as one who may be threatening.

moo [/*]

yes but I'm sure we would all be shocked to see the treatment of prisoners after the camara is turned off or removed!

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green
On the top of his left wrist, iirc. Right above the cuff. It happens sometimes if the cuff is too tight. [/*]

or if.....a prisoner is jerked around and thrown!

[nuttintodo]

Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said Laurean and his wife were in touch while he was in Mexico, sending messages to each other using the MySpace social networking service.

....which she was using to send the messages. He declined to discuss their contents and would not say if authorities had Christina Laurean under surveillance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/missing_marine

Myspace, LOL....

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


yes but I'm sure we would all be shocked to see the treatment of prisoners after the camera is turned off or removed! [/*]

Oh I think he will come back unscathed when he is extradited. They sure were at ease around him but I can see why.....he was very cooperative and non threatening.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10

Which picture cryme.....? I've asked which one and I'm not getting and answer will you please help for a vodka and punch? [/*]

Okay, check these videos on CNN, I haven't seen it close up like I have on tv, but it was on CNN when I saw it...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11/missing.marine/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh I think he will come back unscathed when he is extradited. They sure were at ease around him but I can see why.....he was very cooperative and non threatening.

imoo [/*]

well, I'm not saying he had the crap beat out of him. But they may have been a little rough with him when they brought him
into their station....that's all I'm saying....and I"m not surprised that he is cooperative and non threatening are you?

[daniel green]

Looked at the local paper and here is the small article about it:

Lemme translate it roughly:

http://www.vozdemichoacan.com.mx/secciones/seguridad/seg000623.html

BRB

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said Laurean and his wife were in touch while he was in Mexico, sending messages to each other using the MySpace social networking service.

....which she was using to send the messages. He declined to discuss their contents and would not say if authorities had Christina Laurean under surveillance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/missing_marine

Myspace, LOL....

jmo [/*]
Thanks nuttin :) How totally stupid!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh I think he will come back unscathed when he is extradited. They sure were at ease around him but I can see why.....he was very cooperative and non threatening.

imoo [/*]

I do, too. He was very cooperative and not at all threatening.

I do not think it was caused by anything other than the cuff--or else it might have happened while he was living outside for three months.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
[i]snipped

Myspace, LOL....

jmo [/*]

Unfreakingbelievable.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Onslow County District Attorney Dewey Hudson said Laurean and his wife were in touch while he was in Mexico, sending messages to each other using the MySpace social networking service.

....which she was using to send the messages. He declined to discuss their contents and would not say if authorities had Christina Laurean under surveillance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/missing_marine

Myspace, LOL....

jmo [/*]

Still, if she had alerted authorities that he was attempting to contact her, or that he did contact her, they could have traced him. And a whole lot sooner. JMO

Why are we not surprised it was thru Myspace?

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by daniel green


Unfreakingbelievable. [/*]

Cesar is a kid.......

[hinman]

Reading back and am I reading right that LE said there is no evidence Christina was involved.

Wow I was sure after last night that she would be arrested. I had finally admitted I was wrong about her after defending her for so long.

:( Now I have to go back.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Still, if she had alerted authorities that he was attempting to contact her, or that he did contact her, they could have traced him. And a whole lot sooner. JMO

Why are we not surprised it was thru Myspace? [/*]

it seems that as long as he was in Mexico...the Mexican LE had
to be the ones to arrest him...it was done in their time frame imo

today, LE said they had a good idea what area of Mexico he was in for about a month.

[crymeariver2006]

Do we need an evening thread? This one's getting a little long in the tooth.

:D

[nana2]

haha I guess the FBI read my message to Cesar via myspace then :chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nana2
haha I guess the FBI red my message to Cesar via myspace then :chicken: [/*]

:eek:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by daniel green
Looked at the local paper and here is the small article about it:

Lemme translate it roughly:

http://www.vozdemichoacan.com.mx/secciones/seguridad/seg000623.html

BRB [/*]

OK--here is my rough, not word for word, translation, as per TOS:

Detienen a asesino

MATÓ A SU COLEGA QUE TENÍA 8 MESES DE EMBARAZO: PGJE; ERA MARINE

Sheila Joali Pérez / La Voz de Michoacán
===========

Murderer Arrested

He killed his fellow marine who was 8 mos pregnant.


The article says that they captured him in Tacambaro, that he is a US citizen wanted by the FBI.

They also say that he could get the death penalthy.

The police was investigating another crime and they found him, he gave his name and age and was very nervous. Police took him in and found out he was most wanted by FBI.

He has been transferred to Mexico City and Interpol Mexico is working with the US authorities. Also goes by Cesar Gudino and/or Cesan Sanchez and he was born in Jalisco.

He can get life without parole or the death pen.

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks Daniel!

BTW, I've started a new thread...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=328778

[SwEEt&SpIcY]

Hi Everyone, I don't know all the facts in this case, so iam by no means an expert, but I truly believe that the wife is soooo involved in this, regardless of what the police are saying, they could have just been using her to get to CL, now that he is in custody, I have a feeling she will be charged and hopefully arrested VERY SOON. Nobody is that stupid,blind,or that in love to have not seen all that went on in that house. This case is about to break wide open, and iam sure there are many more suprises to come. R.I.P Maria&Baby

[Devotion]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

He walks that line....SO NICE....

She has done everything the law requires of her.....
OH GOD....barf

The attorney needs to take a powder IMO. :patriot:

I'll bet she wants to stay out of the public eye,
they might recognize her from other places....YKWIM??

JMO [/*]

Exactlly.....possibly the bus ticket office..

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


well, I'm not saying he had the crap beat out of him. But they may have been a little rough with him when they brought him
into their station....that's all I'm saying....and I"m not surprised that he is cooperative and non threatening are you? [/*]

I haven't really thought about it. Some suspects are very confrontational and don't give up easily. It seems he did. That is all I know.

Seems to be a very peaceful resolution. They saw him walking... they stopped and asked him questions including who he was....he told them his real name and they took him in.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I haven't really thought about it. Some suspects are very confrontational and don't give up easily. It seems he did. That is all I know.

Seems to be a very peaceful resolution. They saw him walking... they stopped and asked him questions including who he was....he told them his real name and they took him in.

imoo [/*]
Maybe he's just tired of running & having to hide, but we'll soon know if he doesn't fight extradition.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I haven't really thought about it. Some suspects are very confrontational and don't give up easily. It seems he did. That is all I know.

Seems to be a very peaceful resolution. They saw him walking... they stopped and asked him questions including who he was....he told them his real name and they took him in.

imoo [/*]

It's not a cut of any kind...I enlarged the picture and it's a wristband of some description.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/slideshow_497182_US_Missing_Marine_.jpg

(I also posted this on the evening thread)

[Mimi428]

I thought that it would take no longer than 4-6 months to catch up with him. Long enough for him to get tired of looking over his shoulder. Long enough for him to make contact & slip up. Long enough for whoever was trying to help him to realize they didn't want to keep doing THAT for the indefinite future. Long enough for all the traps that were being set by every branch of LE to produce good enough leads to narrow their focus.

JMO

[aubrey04]

For some reason, I thought he would never be caught. Maybe after 10-20 years. I just thought he would alter his appearance a bit and blend into the crowd down there.

So, it was a real shock to me to find out he had been arrested. He definitely looked different when he was arrested.

If it was the Mexican authorities who tracked him down, Kudos to them! They did an excellent job. :beer:

We need a two thumbs up smiley.

[duncan]

I thought he would be caught much earlier, I expected someone to turn him in for the reward monies, I am so glad that the Mexican LE were alert enough to nab Ceasar.

[Marcia3]

I always thought it might take years to get him, and that the only way they would eventually nab him is if he did someone wrong in Mexico or his family/friends network got tired of supporting his azz and turned him in for the reward money.

Glad I was wrong on all counts. :D

[Howiefan]

to be honest not this quickly... but I never did think Christina killed him or he would take his own life either