Friday 04-11-08 ***** (5 star day)

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Missing Marine Captured (4:22)
Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, the alleged killer of a pregnant marine, was found in Mexico where authorities caught him after a three-month manhunt. Jeff Glor reports. (Includes interview with Capt. Sutherland with the Early Show on CBS)

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4008457n [/*]

Thanks, LG, for the link.

Watching this video reminds me of another good reason to never commit a crime 'cuz those close up shots show every flaw on your face. :D

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Well, as I am waiting with bated breath for laurean to start spinning his tale, I'm keeping in mind that this is the person who told MC investigators "I never had sex with Maria."

:cool: [/*]


Um yeah! I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone thinks he is suddenly an honest person who loved Maria. WHAT? Cheater, rapist, murderer, thief, fugitive? Pick one lol.

He's had 3 months to think about what he should say. Does anyone really believe in 3 months he never gave a thought to what he would tell everyone including LE if he was ever captured?

This is classic "poor me" mentality so people will sympathize with him. I am shocked so many are just eating up his story. :eek:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


I too would like to know what probable cause was used. [/*]That the person wanted on a federal fugitive warrant would probably try to contact the same person who waited a full 24 hours before notifying LE of the fate of Maria Lauterbach :shrug:

[angelzeyez12]

My thoughts are running in all directions with this, I want to believe that he may possibly loved her, but then again I as a women would not bring charges of rape against someone who I knew truly loved me.

All I can think is Christina is a nut case, maybe he was possibly scared of her. She may have threaten him if he left her for his true love. Christina is a Marine too!! I know that you have to be some what strong and in shape.

Then Maria got pissed and brought charges against him. JMO..

This could go so many ways, and I am sad because I think we will never know the truth.

I remember reading about this but can't remember, how old is Christina?

[Pinetree]

Originally posted by Missti
Her Mom is on CNN right now! [/*]

What did she say??

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Missti


I still think....his wife wanted him to kill her...to show her it was OVER and that she didn't mean anything to him.

She helped cover it up...and helped him flee. Gave him that head start he needed.

Not sure why I think that...but I had that feeling from the very beginning.

Wonder if we will ever know the REAL truth?? [/*]

It is all so confusing.

From what we had been told Christina said she was still under the impression that he was falsely accused and that he denied having sex with Maria.........yet now we see that she has been stewing over the fact that he had cheated on her.:shrug:

So was the poster over on the JDNews site right when she said that Christina and Laurean had been working through the infidelity?

So when her words were used in the SW in January she said she didn't know anything expect he had denied it all and he discussed the problem with her every couple of months.:shrug:

imoo

[newbiee]

Could someone provide me with a link to watch the live press conf. today? :seeya:

[ktsc]

Hiya folks sorry for the outburst earlier.

I betcha he tries to pin it all on the wife with the "I loved her" comment and "Proof" Bet he says that the wife made him do it.

[Missti]

Originally posted by Pinetree


What did she say?? [/*]

I don't know...I tuned in just as it was finishing... hammer

I am sure it will play again...will leave CNN on ...and watch for it.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Thanks, LG, for the link.

Watching this video reminds me of another good reason to never commit a crime 'cuz those close up shots show every flaw on your face. :D [/*]
:lol:

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by AmyO

Well, I sure can see your point but who knows what will happen once Cesar gets back here and starts talking. Things could change very quickly in the next few weeks.

I personally believe it's only a matter of time before Christina is charged with something.

But a murder charge?

No way. It'll never happen. It would have already happened. IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12
My thoughts are running in all directions with this, I want to believe that he may possibly loved her, but then again I as a women would not bring charges of rape against someone who I knew truly loved me.

All I can think is Christina is a nut case, maybe he was possibly scared of her. She may have threaten him if he left her for his true love. Christina is a Marine too!! I know that you have to be some what strong and in shape.

Then Maria got pissed and brought charges against him. JMO..

This could go so many ways, and I am sad because I think we will never know the truth.

I remember reading about this but can't remember, how old is Christina? [/*]

I think she is four years older than Laurean.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12
My thoughts are running in all directions with this, I want to believe that he may possibly loved her, but then again I as a women would not bring charges of rape against someone who I knew truly loved me.

All I can think is Christina is a nut case, maybe he was possibly scared of her. She may have threaten him if he left her for his true love. Christina is a Marine too!! I know that you have to be some what strong and in shape.

Then Maria got pissed and brought charges against him. JMO..

This could go so many ways, and I am sad because I think we will never know the truth.

I remember reading about this but can't remember, how old is Christina? [/*]

You are not alone, trust me. Your thoughts are entirely possible from my POV.


And she is 24 IIRC.

JMO.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Um yeah! I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone thinks he is suddenly an honest person who loved Maria. WHAT? Cheater, rapist, murderer, thief, fugitive? Pick one lol.

He's had 3 months to think about what he should say. Does anyone really believe in 3 months he never gave a thought to what he would tell everyone including LE if he was ever captured?

This is classic "poor me" mentality so people will sympathize with him. I am shocked so many are just eating up his story. :eek: [/*]
I'm not so much eating up his story as keeping an open mind. He really hasn't said anyhing yet other than he loved Maria. We know what we know from news over the past 3 months and we have never heard his side. I am ready to hear his side - finally! Just like so many other posters are. None of us will forget what we've learned so far.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I ditto that------->:eek: [/*]

:eek: Me too.

Then I get to thinking that the Congressman wanted questions answered about Christina Laurean too. I am sure those questions came from the family and their desire to know.:eek:

imoo

[JD81]

Originally posted by Missti


I don't know...I tuned in just as it was finishing... hammer

I am sure it will play again...will leave CNN on ...and watch for it. [/*]

She said she believes Cesar killed Maria and the baby is his. She offered prayers to the Laurean family. Her lawyer said they are not concerned with how long it will take to extradite. They put their trust in the justice system.

IMO the case will take a year or more to go to trial in NC with their case management procedure.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Wow........her statement is puzzling. I can see her offering sympathies to the Laurean family who are innocent in all of this but......

to say..............

"This has been a terrible tragedy, not only for our family but for Cesar" ... :eek:

imoo [/*]

Makes me wonder too GW.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by newbiee
Could someone provide me with a link to watch the live press conf. today? :seeya: [/*]

These are the local and cable media outlets who will probably stream live online the PC at 2:00 p.m. ET.

http://www.wral.com/

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/home.html

http://www.witntv.com/

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/home.html

http://www.jdnews.com/

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index

http://www.cnn.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

[newbiee]

Big Thank you!!!:D

[alter ego]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Wow........her statement is puzzling. I can see her offering sympathies to the Laurean family who are innocent in all of this but......

to say..............

"This has been a terrible tragedy, not only for our family but for Cesar" ... :eek:

imoo [/*]I took it to mean Ceasear's family :shrug:

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


Makes me wonder too GW. [/*]

I don't know why. It is the way she feels.
She does look tired. I feel so sorry for Maria's family.:rose:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


I personally believe it's only a matter of time before Christina is charged with something.

But a murder charge?

No way. It'll never happen. It would have already happened. IMO. [/*]

So IF someone else other than CAL actually murdered Maria murder charges wouldn't be brought up against that person after CAL tells his side of the story? Why is that?

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Thank you. :tongue: :hat: [/*]


You are welcome. You need to grab a broom and clean out your mailbox. :biggrin:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Same here Marcia. We have to remember he is/was 20 years old and doesn't have all the years of knowledge most criminals have. I still believe this was a heat of the moment killing no matter who inflicted the blow(s) killing Maria.

But I am really leaning toward Christina coming home and finding them there being the catalyst either way. JMOOC.

:(

It would by far be the most ill planned murder I have ever heard of if it turned out to be planned. Really, could you get any more ignorant with an ocean thirty minutes away? :shrug: [/*]

I've tried to keep an open mind with this one, but it's been tough. I'm sure that CSL had a hand in some aspects of this crime, and may have even committed the murder 'cuz nothing would surprise me any more on this one.

Yeah, I've said all along that this was a sloppy murder and coverup.

In the months spent waiting for his capture we've all debated the various possibilities. Hopefully we will be able to learn what happened, but it won't be soon and it may never be complete.

Then again, I have figured for a while now that CAL might not ever be captured and I was wrong about that!!! So glad to have been wrong, BTW.

[angelzeyez12]

I live in NC and it takes tooooo long to get people to trial. I feel bad for all the families that try to put this behind them and move on then have to bring all these feeling back out again.

In the county I live in we have people from 2004 sitting in jail for murder waiting for trial. :(

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by strick10


So IF someone else other than CAL actually murdered Maria murder charges wouldn't be brought up against that person after CAL tells his side of the story? Why is that?

I'm saying that even if Laurean claims that Christina committed the murder... she will never be charged with murder.

Law enforcement knows who committed this murder.

And they know who didn't.

IMO.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


He probably is relieved. I have been thinking.......I don't think he tried to get further assistance from anyone but CSL after he left.

His family seems to be important to him. He told CSL that he wanted to go see his parents in LV. I don't think he would have contacted them because he knew they would be in trouble if they helped him.

He was probably relieved that he was going to have a bunk to sleep on and food to eat.

imoo [/*]

Yeah, I would imagine he was happy to sleep in a hot, dirty, bug-ridden jail cell...if he had been sleeping recently in a field somewhere. Not sure I'm buying that story. But ITA that he would not reveal who was helping him if someone was, especially if they were family. JMO.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by alter ego
I took it to mean Ceasear's family :shrug: [/*]


So did I. It doesn't surprise me that she would express her sympathy for his family really.:shrug:

[Devotion]

Originally posted by donna

Good morning, MW5!

Well, if Christina doesn't realize that Caesar does not love her and has it in print that HE LOVED MARIA!

I am sure her mother will explain it to her! I know I would!

This is international humiliation for her.

She would now have to be wondering what all CAL will tell authorities if she was even the tiniest bit involved in any of it.

:rose: For Maria, Baby Gabriel, and the Lauterbach family.
Justice will be served. [/*]

Who knows.....It's a possibility Christina knew C. loved Maria from the very beginning.

Seems the murder didn't stop C. from staying with her man,
so a small thing like CL loving another woman would have made a difference with C. either.

IS it possible CL feels responsible for causing what happened....and is taking the fall..?..jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


I'm saying that even if Laurean claims that Christina committed the murder... she will never be charged with murder.

Law enforcement knows who committed this murder.

And they know who didn't.

IMO. [/*]

I totally agree. They know.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



So did I. It doesn't surprise me that she would express her sympathy for his family really.:shrug: [/*]

Me either. She doesn't strike me as the type of person who would want to see another family suffer as hers has been suffering...IMO.

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



So did I. It doesn't surprise me that she would express her sympathy for his family really.:shrug: [/*]

I agree his family is going through alot as well

[JD81]

I still don't see Christina charged with anything and LE has had the information about the computer and diaries for over two weeks.:shrug: :chicken:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


I'm saying that even if Laurean claims that Christina committed the murder... she will never be charged with murder.

Law enforcement knows who committed this murder.

And they know who didn't.

IMO. [/*]But some of what they think they know is based on what Christina has told them.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


I'm saying that even if Laurean claims that Christina committed the murder... she will never be charged with murder.

Law enforcement knows who committed this murder.

And they know who didn't.

IMO. [/*]

So you're saying LE has physical evidence that points only at CAL? I realize they found the supposidly murder weapon but they never said more about it so it may not have been the weapon. All they have are CALs notes and CSLs statements no?

[JD81]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12


I agree his family is going through alot as well [/*]

Especially Christina and her daughter. Christina is having trouble getting over the love she feels for Cesar. jmo

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by Devotion


Who knows.....It's a possibility Christina knew C. loved Maria from the very beginning.

Seems the murder didn't stop C. from staying with her man,
so a small thing like CL loving another woman would have made a difference with C. either.

IS it possible CL feels responsible for causing what happened....and is taking the fall..?..jmo [/*]

I understand what you thinking, something seems wrong with this picture.

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


So you're saying LE has physical evidence that points only at CAL? I realize they found the supposidly murder weapon but they never said more about it so it may not have been the weapon. All they have are CALs notes and CSLs statements no? [/*]

LE has their entire investigation. imo

[BarbraAllen]

Good morning, sticking my head in to say I am just overwhelmed by this news! So unreal to see him standing there in the handcuffs.

Very interesting that he said he loved her, I remember several of us discussing the possibilities of that theory.

But I was so, so surprised that he talked at all!

Thank you so much to all of you who kept this discussion alive all this time, and for all the links and information.

[wandering]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


LOL It was said that in his notes that when Maria came back to his home acting much differently he said that he had never seen Maria act like that before.

That's what I meant. That he knew her normal demeanor and to do that he really had to be around her.

imoo:seeya: [/*]From what I recall, they worked together...

[athina]

Mexico City, April 10, 2008. “I would like to congratulate the General Procuraduria (police force) of Michoacan and the Pubic Safety Ministry (SSP), whom today arrested Cesar Armando Laurean, a US Marine accused last year in North Carolina of murdering Ms. Maria Lauterbach, a fellow Marine Corps member, who was pregnant. Laurean was arrested around 7:00 pm in San Juan de Viña, Tacámbaro County, in the state of Michoacan.

“The Mexican authorities acted in close collaboration with the FBI in order to locate and capture Laurean, who is detained for extradition purposes to North Caroline under charges of murder and fleeing to avoid justice.

“This is a clear sign for all of those who would think about running away from US law that Mexico will not provide them shelter. Laurean fled to Mexico at the beginning of this year in the hopes of avoiding justice. Despite his efforts to not being caught, international cooperation of both police forces and cutting-edge technology led to his capture.

“Tenacious cooperation between Mexican and US forces assures that those who commit crimes in any of both countries shall be finally captured and face trial, no matter where they are hiding”.

Note: Sorry if it has already been already posted.

US Embassy link (http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/boletines/sp080410Laurean.html)

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by strick10


So you're saying LE has physical evidence that points only at CAL? I realize they found the supposidly murder weapon but they never said more about it so it may not have been the weapon. All they have are CALs notes and CSLs statements no?

All I know is what has been reported.

That said, I stand by my statement.

No way will Christina be charged with murder.

Laurean committed the murder. Law enforcement knows it.

IMO.

[JD81]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Good morning, sticking my head in to say I am just overwhelmed by this news! So unreal to see him standing there in the handcuffs.

Very interesting that he said he loved her, I remember several of us discussing the possibilities of that theory.

But I was so, so surprised that he talked at all!

Thank you so much to all of you who kept this discussion alive all this time, and for all the links and information. [/*]

I think he has a hard time keeping his mouth shut. That's a good thing for LE. imo

Of course it will be self serving. imo

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by JD81


LE has their entire investigation. imo

And we don't.

Yes. That is exactly what I was trying to convey.

Thanks for the simplification.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


I think he has a hard time keeping his mouth shut. That's a good thing for LE. imo

Of course it will be self serving. imo [/*]

Or implicate the person who really dealt the final blow. I think he will talk once he knows what's really going on.

JMOOC. :chicken:

[Devotion]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


"It's clear she's still deeply in love with him, and she is vacillating between loving him and being angry at

him for not being faithful to her," the official said.

"It's not necessarily illegal for a wife to talk to her husband, but if she had tried to help him in any way, there would have been a problem."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/11/missing.marine/index.html [/*]

She is ANGRY at CL for being unfaithful to her?

is that all she's angry about, what about a murder and a grave in the backyard?

WHY not say she is angry at him for the MURDER ???...jmo

[angelzeyez12]

I don't think CL will try to point it off on Christina, even if she is guilty, due to the daughter. Regardless of who killed maria, they both knew that it happened. Unless there is some reason why the daughter should not be raised by Christina, but I don't think he would have fled leaving the daughter behind in that case. They probably are thinking in the best interest of the daughter, maybe. JMO........

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


LE has their entire investigation. imo [/*]

So it's a done deal. CAL murdered Maria. CSL had nothing to do w/ any of it. Nothing CAL says is going to be believed so the case is wrapped up. I don't know LE procedures and what happens if more evidence is found now that CAL is found that may prove someone else may have been the murderer or a party to the murder. I'm just askin' to further educate myself is all.

[JD81]

Originally posted by athina
Mexico City, April 10, 2008. “I would like to congratulate the General Procuraduria (police force) of Michoacan and the Pubic Safety Ministry (SSP), whom today arrested Cesar Armando Laurean, a US Marine accused last year in North Carolina of murdering Ms. Maria Lauterbach, a fellow Marine Corps member, who was pregnant. Laurean was arrested around 7:00 pm in San Juan de Viña, Tacámbaro County, in the state of Michoacan.

“The Mexican authorities acted in close collaboration with the FBI in order to locate and capture Laurean, who is detained for extradition purposes to North Caroline under charges of murder and fleeing to avoid justice.

“This is a clear sign for all of those who would think about running away from US law that Mexico will not provide them shelter. Laurean fled to Mexico at the beginning of this year in the hopes of avoiding justice. Despite his efforts to not being caught, international cooperation of both police forces and cutting-edge technology led to his capture.

“Tenacious cooperation between Mexican and US forces assures that those who commit crimes in any of both countries shall be finally captured and face trial, no matter where they are hiding”.

Note: Sorry if it has already been already posted.

US Embassy link (http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/boletines/sp080410Laurean.html) [/*]

:beer: It is apparent Mexico does not want him. He might not have good luck fighting extradition. Just saying........

jmo

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


So it's a done deal. CAL murdered Maria. CSL had nothing to do w/ any of it. Nothing CAL says is going to be believed so the case is wrapped up. I don't know LE procedures and what happens if more evidence is found now that CAL is found that may prove someone else may have been the murderer or a party to the murder. I'm just askin' to further educate myself is all. [/*]

Of course it has to go to trial, but I think it is pretty much wrapped up. We shall see.

jmo

[witchywoman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
I am on my 4th day of major spring cleaning and today is the day
I do my office, which would be good in a way cos I could keep tracks of posts while cleaning (ok well know that wouldn't really happen) but now my task-master daughter is coming to help me and has already told me "I don't care if they DID catch laurean last night, you are CLEANING and not POSTING today!!

:mad:

she's mean.....

I will be back later- hee hee [/*]ot, but i posted a reply to u on another thread, the what u do for a living thread?

eta, hi everybody, just catching up, and finding out the news, wow, got him...its about time, let justice be swift, mo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


Especially Christina and her daughter. Christina is having trouble getting over the love she feels for Cesar. jmo [/*]

Oh dang, and that little matter of cheating too. :rolleyes:

JMO

[JD81]

Originally posted by Devotion


She is ANGRY at CL for being unfaithful to her?

is that all she's angry about, what about a murder and a grave in the backyard?

WHY not say she is angry at him for the MURDER of Maria???...jmo [/*]


We don't know what all is on that computer or in the diaries. I think she is angry Cesar started this whole mess from being unfaithful. There was more said then just that. Just saying..........

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


:beer: It is apparent Mexico does not want him. He might not have good luck fighting extradition. Just saying........

jmo [/*]

Sounds to me like Mexico doesn't want any Americans or naturalized American citizens hiding out in Mexico. It may be different if a Mexican was hiding out in their country.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh dang, and that little matter of cheating too. :rolleyes:

JMO [/*]

:eek:

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by strick10


So it's a done deal. CAL murdered Maria. CSL had nothing to do w/ any of it. Nothing CAL says is going to be believed so the case is wrapped up. I don't know LE procedures and what happens if more evidence is found now that CAL is found that may prove someone else may have been the murderer or a party to the murder. I'm just askin' to further educate myself is all.

I'm not implying that Christina has nothing at all to do with it.

I'm saying Christina did not commit the murder.

I'm also saying that all the evidence that LE has leads them to Laurean. LE has stated emphatically that they believe Christina had nothing to do with the murder.

I believe law enforcement in this case.

I also believe that Laurean has no evidence to implicate his wife in the murder.

That is my opinion.

I hope that clears up any confusion about my posts.

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


Sounds to me like Mexico doesn't want any Americans or naturalized American citizens hiding out in Mexico. It may be different if a Mexican was hiding out in their country. [/*]

He is a Mexican hiding out in their country. He was born there.:shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


So it's a done deal. CAL murdered Maria. CSL had nothing to do w/ any of it. Nothing CAL says is going to be believed so the case is wrapped up. I don't know LE procedures and what happens if more evidence is found now that CAL is found that may prove someone else may have been the murderer or a party to the murder. I'm just askin' to further educate myself is all. [/*]

I don't think it is a done deal at all, strick10! LE should never close out the murder suspect before even talking to him. Oftentimes, murderers implicate their accomplices if there are any.

Not a done deal by any means!

:) .... I know what you are saying!

[athina]

Originally posted by strick10


Sounds to me like Mexico doesn't want any Americans or naturalized American citizens hiding out in Mexico. It may be different if a Mexican was hiding out in their country. [/*]


:shrug:

He has both nationalities, he is Mexican...

[summer4meplz]

I have not been following this case too closely, so forgive me if this is common knowledge...but did they ever disclose or determine if the unborn baby was fathered by this psycho? TIA

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by JD81


He is a Mexican hiding out in their country. He was born there.:shrug: [/*]
He stood out like a sore thumb. :tongue:



MOO and stuff.

ETA: Once Mexican LE spotted him. Apparently he no habla espanol like a native.

[JD81]

Originally posted by strick10


:eek: [/*]

Christina is mad about that because it started the whole mess that lead to the murder, cover up, and fleeing which ended Christina's life as she knew it. Very logical to me.

jmo

[JD81]

Originally posted by snowshuze

He stood out like a sore thumb. :tongue:



MOO and stuff. [/*]


While living in fields and eating fruit to exist.:D

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


I don't think it is a done deal at all, strick10! LE should never close out the murder suspect before even talking to him. Oftentimes, murderers implicate their accomplices if there are any.

Not a done deal by any means!

:) .... I know what you are saying! [/*]

No it isn't donna, and him coming out and saying he loved Maria is going to really send Christina over the edge IMO.

The battle will begin with he hits the NC state line IMO and the attorneys will be hashing it all out with a truth coming in the end is my hope.

This is far from over, but closed minds can dream just like they did about no relationsip with Maria and Cesar.

JMO :patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by JD81



We don't know what all is on that computer or in the diaries. I think she is angry Cesar started this whole mess from being unfaithful. There was more said then just that. Just saying..........

jmo [/*]

You have hit the nail on the head! We do not know what all was on the computer. She just might have stated something on there that might not look too good for her. We do not know. Again, I say that she and Cesar did not just 'happen' to stumble upon each other on the Internet. Means of communication had to be set up in advance. The cooperating witness probably just forgot to tell LE about that!

It ain't over yet!

[JD81]

Originally posted by summer4meplz
I have not been following this case too closely, so forgive me if this is common knowledge...but did they ever disclose or determine if the unborn baby was fathered by this psycho? TIA [/*]

No information has been released on that.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


I'm not implying that Christina has nothing at all to do with it.

I'm saying Christina did not commit the murder.

I'm also saying that all the evidence that LE has leads them to Laurean. LE has stated emphatically that they believe Christina had nothing to do with the murder.

I believe law enforcement in this case.

I also believe that Laurean has no evidence to implicate his wife in the murder.

That is my opinion.

I hope that clears up any confusion about my posts. [/*]

Okay, I get where you're coming from. Thanks.

[JD81]

Originally posted by donna


You have hit the nail on the head! We do not know what all was on the computer. She just might have stated something on there that might not look too good for her. We do not know. Again, I say that she and Cesar did not just 'happen' to stumble upon each other on the Internet. Means of communication had to be set up in advance. The cooperating witness probably just forgot to tell LE about that!

It ain't over yet! [/*]

I'm wondering what all Cesar said in those emails. He really could have buried himself.

Not necessarily set up. He probably heard she was at the sister's house and had her email addy. We just don't know.

It is not against to law to talk to her husband. The question is, did she help him in anyway. I'm guessing no. Just saying........

jmo

[wandering]

Here is where he was captured.


http://www.visitmexico.com/wb/Visitmexico/Visi_mapa_generico?destinoElegido=6&idiomaElegido=1

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


No it isn't donna, and him coming out and saying he loved Maria is going to really send Christina over the edge IMO.

The battle will begin with he hits the NC state line IMO and the attorneys will be hashing it all out with a truth coming in the end is my hope.

This is far from over, but closed minds can dream just like they did about no relationsip with Maria and Cesar.

JMO :patriot: [/*]

I think CAL making the statement that he loved Maria is going to have a big effect on Christina also.

Going to be a long haul until the trial, and nothing would surprise me!


:patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


Christina is mad about that because it started the whole mess that lead to the murder, cover up, and fleeing which ended Christina's life as she knew it. Very logical to me.

jmo [/*]

I think Christina is MAD and WAS MAD because he chose another woman and it burnt right through her IMO.

I can't wait for the fireworks and the day she is held just as accountable as he is IMO.

I can only imagine a woman dwelling on an infidelity with knowing there was a buried woman in her backyard would do so because she had her own hand in it, and that was the one thing she couldn't get past. JMO

I think he loved Maria and that just ate away at Christina.

ALLJMO:patriot:

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


No it isn't donna, and him coming out and saying he loved Maria is going to really send Christina over the edge IMO.

The battle will begin with he hits the NC state line IMO and the attorneys will be hashing it all out with a truth coming in the end is my hope.

This is far from over, but closed minds can dream just like they did about no relationsip with Maria and Cesar.

JMO :patriot: [/*]

I think him coming out and saying he loved Maria will make Christina finally see what she was married to. She won't have trouble testifying against him now. Just saying.........

jmo:chicken:

[strick10]

Originally posted by JD81


Christina is mad about that because it started the whole mess that lead to the murder, cover up, and fleeing which ended Christina's life as she knew it. Very logical to me.

jmo [/*]

Of course she's probably upset. For months several posters to include myself believed there was an affair between Maria and CAL. Who knows, maybe CAL and CSL were trying to work through this affair but to murder someone to prove CALs love for CSL is pretty wild. We're gonna find out awhole lot more about this case in time.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think Christina is MAD and WAS MAD because he chose another woman and it burnt right through her IMO.

I can't wait for the fireworks and the day she is held just as accountable as he is IMO.

I can only imagine a woman dwelling on an infidelity with knowing there was a buried woman in her backyard would do so because she had her own hand in it, and that was the one thing she couldn't get past. JMO

I think he loved Maria and that just ate away at Christina.

ALLJMO:patriot: [/*]

ITA CK!

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think Christina is MAD and WAS MAD because he chose another woman and it burnt right through her IMO.

I can't wait for the fireworks and the day she is held just as accountable as he is IMO.

I can only imagine a woman dwelling on an infidelity with knowing there was a buried woman in her backyard would do so because she had her own hand in it, and that was the one thing she couldn't get past. JMO

I think he loved Maria and that just ate away at Christina.

ALLJMO:patriot: [/*]


Hmmmmmm We have to see what all was on that computer and not just the unfaithful part. A snippet does not tell all that she was mad about.

jmo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think Christina is MAD and WAS MAD because he chose another woman and it burnt right through her IMO.

I can't wait for the fireworks and the day she is held just as accountable as he is IMO.

I can only imagine a woman dwelling on an infidelity with knowing there was a buried woman in her backyard would do so because she had her own hand in it, and that was the one thing she couldn't get past. JMO

I think he loved Maria and that just ate away at Christina.

ALLJMO:patriot: [/*]

There's just so much that's still left as question marks for me.

If there was love or affection between CAL and Maria (and I'm not saying there wasn't) where does the rape accusation come in?

Why did he force her to remove funds from the ATM before he killed her?

That's just the start of my questions, but you get my general drift, I think. Just color me confused.

:shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by JD81


I think him coming out and saying he loved Maria will make Christina finally see what she was married to. She won't have trouble testifying against him now. Just saying.........

jmo:chicken: [/*]

:o .... And Cesar will have no trouble telling anything he knows concerning Christina either..................

[JD81]

Originally posted by donna


:o .... And Cesar will have no trouble telling anything he knows concerning Christina either.................. [/*]

Which will be weighed by LE and the DA. Hope he trips himself up but good.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


Which will be weighed by LE and the DA. Hope he trips himself up but good.

jmo [/*]

Like his wife did?:D

:chicken: JMO

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Like his wife did?:D

:chicken: JMO [/*]

She's not under arrest. He is.

:chicken: jmo

[donna]

CAL knows he is in for the battle of his lifetime. I do not think he will 'protect' anyone other than himself. He is a POS.

I really do wish I could convince myself that Christina is not involved, but I cannot.

I am just glad CAL has been caught and will eventually be brought to trail. I think CAL is sick of Mexico by now and will not fight extradition. He knows he will eventually be brought back anyway.

[Amy S.]

I know how vicious women can be. Just look at Erin Caffey and she is only 16. She talked 2 young men into killing her family. moo

It is not so far fetched to think that Christina talked Cesar into killing Maria.

Perhaps she claimed rape to keep her family from knowing that she was in an affair with a married man. Remember how skeptical her mother was?

Did Christina "trap" Cesar into marrying her? Was there trouble all along?

Just when I thought Cesar had killed in a fit of rage (I believe I called him a psychopath), i find myself suspecting Christina.

Remember all the folks that posted on MySpace, etc. defending Cesar? We still do not know much about Christina.

[donna]

Originally posted by JD81


She's not under arrest. He is.

:chicken: jmo [/*]

He is. She is not - YET!

[strick10]

Originally posted by Marcia3


There's just so much that's still left as question marks for me.

If there was love or affection between CAL and Maria (and I'm not saying there wasn't) where does the rape accusation come in?

Why did he force her to remove funds from the ATM before he killed her?

That's just the start of my questions, but you get my general drift, I think. Just color me confused.

:shrug: [/*]

I believe the LE have settled that CAL didn't force Maria to take money from the ATM.

The rape allegations IMO were being found to be untrue. Maybe CAL made Maria so angry she claimed rape. Could also be that her superiors found out about the affair and questioned her in which she may have claimed the rape to help herself. I don't know. IMO I don't think there was a rape but rather either a p.o.'d or scared Maria that made those allegations.

Lot's of questions out there that still need answers M3.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by donna
CAL knows he is in for the battle of his lifetime. I do not think he will 'protect' anyone other than himself. He is a POS.

I really do wish I could convince myself that Christina is not involved, but I cannot.

I am just glad CAL has been caught and will eventually be brought to trail. I think CAL is sick of Mexico by now and will not fight extradition. He knows he will eventually be brought back anyway. [/*]

IMO we may be able to surmise that CAL believes he can either beat the charge with reasonable doubt or push it off onto CSL entirely based on whether or not he fights extradition.

If he thinks his day in court, so to speak, will bring him home to freedom then he may just want to get back asap...just a thought.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Onslow County Sheriff Talks About Laurean's Capture (5:08)

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/17548089.html

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Marcia3


There's just so much that's still left as question marks for me.

If there was love or affection between CAL and Maria (and I'm not saying there wasn't) where does the rape accusation come in?

Why did he force her to remove funds from the ATM before he killed her?

That's just the start of my questions, but you get my general drift, I think. Just color me confused.

:shrug: [/*]

Maybe CSL found out ML and CL were having an affair (if they were) and CSL threatened CL by saying if he left her, she would go to the MC and tell them. Then he would be charged with not only lying about the sex with ML, but also adultery.

And if CL did force ML to withdraw funds from the ATM, then I go back to my idea that CL and CSL ran into ML in the parking lot on the way to the party, and CSL was horrified that ML would be there at the party being obviously pregnant with her hubby's baby! So CSL told CL to go take care of that woman right now and call me when you have - and if I don't hear from you, I am notifying your command today about your adultery.

JMO, and not necessarily the theory I am leaning toward, but it does answer your questions above I think, Marcia.

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


That has not been confirmed tho many suspect such.

The USMC sent a letter to Congressman Turner, who couldn't give the answer out, but piece mealed it out yesterday. In that letter it states that Maria claimed the child was not that of CL on November 5th IIRC.

I have my doubts but will wait it out just like everyone else.

JMO.:shrug: [/*]

The media was given the answers to the letter. The media is piece mealing it out, not the Congressman. :no:

jmo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by strick10


I believe the LE have settled that CAL didn't force Maria to take money from the ATM.

The rape allegations IMO were being found to be untrue. Maybe CAL made Maria so angry she claimed rape. Could also be that her superiors found out about the affair and questioned her in which she may have claimed the rape to help herself. I don't know. IMO I don't think there was a rape but rather either a p.o.'d or scared Maria that made those allegations.

Lot's of questions out there that still need answers M3. [/*]

And I'm trying to be optimistic that the answers will be there someday soon. Not just for all of us, but mostly for Maria's family. They deserve to know what happened, and why.

[VC2]

Originally posted by NCGoldsGal
TGIF has a new meaning this morning. Like MW5 that was the first and only headline I read this morning. I was surprised with the "I love her" There is more to this than we know. [/*]

I am thrilled this nasty little creep was caught!!!

as far as his "i love her" goes, imo it explains why he murdered her. (or at least oneo f the reasons)

I think she told him she was leaving town and she wanted nothing to do with him, and he, like so many sociopaths who want their cake and to eat it to, went into a rage and murdered her based on the "i love her and how dare she leave me even if i have no intention of getting a divorce" thinking

There have been more than a few murders based on that..the other woman saying screw you.

Another scenario is that she threatened him saying "either you leave christina or I will tell her that it was actually an affair and i have the letters you wrote me as proof"

Or, again on the "i love her", she told him that the baby was not his, she had only said so to keep the real daddy hidden and he went ballistic because the bit on the side whom he "loved" had been toying with him.

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by Sumanadevii


Anyone can keep a fake diary. And she could have been communicating to him expressing her love as a front to protect her own a@@ [/*]
Oh my...... if that's the case her character is to be questioned entirely.

[nuttintodo]

Search warrants that may have led to Laurean's arrest sealed by judge

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55990___article.html/authorities_mexico.html

Search warrants for the Jacksonville house investigators raided nearly two weeks ago looking for evidence of communication between Cesar Laurean and his wife Christina were sealed by a judge at the time the search occurred.

But Dewey Hudson, district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District that includes Onslow County, said law enforcement officials have information that the Laureans were communicating by computer and may have made plans to meet.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


I believe the LE have settled that CAL didn't force Maria to take money from the ATM.

(snipped)
[/*]

I thought that too, Strick, but there are several articles from today and last night that say police believe Laurean forced ML to withdraw funds from an ATM before he killed her (my paraphrasing).

JMO and I have no idea whether it is true or not.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Marcia3


There's just so much that's still left as question marks for me.

If there was love or affection between CAL and Maria (and I'm not saying there wasn't) where does the rape accusation come in?

Why did he force her to remove funds from the ATM before he killed her?

That's just the start of my questions, but you get my general drift, I think. Just color me confused.

:shrug: [/*]
I'm struggling with the same questions. I hope all our questions are answered as this case unfolds.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Rick Sutherland Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=32#comment-171

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by VC2


I am thrilled this nasty little creep was caught!!!

as far as his "i love her" goes, imo it explains why he murdered her. (or at least oneo f the reasons)

I think she told him she was leaving town and she wanted nothing to do with him, and he, like so many sociopaths who want their cake and to eat it to, went into a rage and murdered her based on the "i love her and how dare she leave me even if i have no intention of getting a divorce" thinking

There have been more than a few murders based on that..the other woman saying screw you.

Another scenario is that she threatened him saying "either you leave christina or I will tell her that it was actually an affair and i have the letters you wrote me as proof"

Or, again on the "i love her", she told him that the baby was not his, she had only said so to keep the real daddy hidden and he went ballistic because the bit on the side whom he "loved" had been toying with him.

jmo [/*]

Interesting theories, VC2.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JD81


Of course it has to go to trial, but I think it is pretty much wrapped up. We shall see.

jmo [/*]

That mistake has been made before.

There is no such thing as a slam dunk case and imo this isn't one either...not by a long shot.

imoo

[VC2]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I am still thinking wifey might have dealt the final blow myself. And those baby clothes speak to a scorned woman from the grave from my view point MW.

They both need to go down for this IMO.

My money still says Maria was more fearful of Christina, but time will tell.

JMO.:shrug: [/*]

i don't agree :D I think the baby bag/clothes speak for themself. That maria had them with her and anything of hers was going to be buried with her. Would be idiotic to keep them.

The only thing they mean to me is that she did plan to leave town. Which may be what triggered him, he could not stand her leaving.

jmo

[Devotion]

Originally posted by donna

I think CAL making the statement that he loved Maria is going to have a big effect on Christina also.

Going to be a long haul until the trial, and nothing would surprise me!


:patriot: [/*]
HE LOVED MARIA!

Is it a possibility CL only married C. because she was pregnant and NOT because of true love?

Possibly feeling it was the RIGHT thing to do for the child and his military reputation?....jmo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Maybe CSL found out ML and CL were having an affair (if they were) and CSL threatened CL by saying if he left her, she would go to the MC and tell them. Then he would be charged with not only lying about the sex with ML, but also adultery.

And if CL did force ML to withdraw funds from the ATM, then I go back to my idea that CL and CSL ran into ML in the parking lot on the way to the party, and CSL was horrified that ML would be there at the party being obviously pregnant with her hubby's baby! So CSL told CL to go take care of that woman right now and call me when you have - and if I don't hear from you, I am notifying your command today about your adultery.

JMO, and not necessarily the theory I am leaning toward, but it does answer your questions above I think, Marcia. [/*]

Anything's possible, IMO. Things are just not lining up for me, and I am a very "linear" kind of gal. You know, logic should apply, but it doesn't. But we're talking about people who each have their own histories and hangups, not pieces of a puzzle.

Time will tell, I hope.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Nancy Grace has ALL the details tonight at 8 and 10pm ET.

The Marine suspected of murdering his pregnant colleague has been found! After a three-month long manhunt, Cesar Lauren has been captured.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Calla]

For those of you who have caught the news reports regarding Amber's computer and how Cesar was found.....

ummm Do people in Mexico normally go to a mangrove tree to use a computer?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Search warrants that may have led to Laurean's arrest sealed by judge

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55990___article.html/authorities_mexico.html

Search warrants for the Jacksonville house investigators raided nearly two weeks ago looking for evidence of communication between Cesar Laurean and his wife Christina were sealed by a judge at the time the search occurred.

But Dewey Hudson, district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District that includes Onslow County, said law enforcement officials have information that the Laureans were communicating by computer and may have made plans to meet. [/*]

:eek: Plans to meet?:eek:

imoo

[Lynn Gweeny]

VIDEO: Marine's mother reacts (6:20)
Maria Lauterbach's mother reacts to news that Cesar Laurean, her daughter's accused killer, has been captured.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/11/intv.marine.lauterbach.mother.cnn

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I thought that too, Strick, but there are several articles from today and last night that say police believe Laurean forced ML to withdraw funds from an ATM before he killed her (my paraphrasing).

JMO and I have no idea whether it is true or not. [/*]

I don't either because Sutherland, himself, came out earlier in the case and said that was not true.:shrug:

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by JD81


She's not under arrest. He is.

:chicken: jmo [/*]

But Dewey Hudson, district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District that includes Onslow County, said law enforcement officials have information that the Laureans were communicating by computer and may have made plans to meet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55990___article.html/authorities_mexico.html

GIVE HER TIME....:D

JMO :chicken:

[jbellaj]

I was so happy last night to hear they got the cold hearted killer. I can't wait for him to get back. It's a shame the DP is off the table even though I'm not a DP kind of person, this crime deserves it. I still say wifey is involved. JMO

[JD81]

Originally posted by Calla
For those of you who have caught the news reports regarding Amber's computer and how Cesar was found.....

ummm Do people in Mexico normally go to a mangrove tree to use a computer? [/*]

LOL perhaps they have computer stations there you can use. imo

[Txswildflwrs]

Originally posted by Amy S.
I know how vicious women can be. Just look at Erin Caffey and she is only 16. She talked 2 young men into killing her family. moo

It is not so far fetched to think that Christina talked Cesar into killing Maria.

Perhaps she claimed rape to keep her family from knowing that she was in an affair with a married man. Remember how skeptical her mother was?

Did Christina "trap" Cesar into marrying her? Was there trouble all along?

Just when I thought Cesar had killed in a fit of rage (I believe I called him a psychopath), i find myself suspecting Christina.

Remember all the folks that posted on MySpace, etc. defending Cesar? We still do not know much about Christina. [/*]

I agree, and it could be that LE has been stringing Christina along to be able to catch CL. Now that he has been caught her status may be changed. It would benefit them for her to feel comfortable with them.
I also think it is possible that Ceasar didn't FORCE Maria to take money from the ATM. She may have gone to get the money so that they could leave together, and Christina caught them before they could get out of town. Christina had almost a month to scare him into believing that he should be the one to take the heat away from her. I am sure that she could possibly have him convinced that he brought all of this on them by his affair with Maria. And, if she came home from that Christmas party and caught them packing to leave together, she may have just gone over the edge. Just my thoughts and opinions.

[donna]

Originally posted by Marcia3


IMO we may be able to surmise that CAL believes he can either beat the charge with reasonable doubt or push it off onto CSL entirely based on whether or not he fights extradition.

If he thinks his day in court, so to speak, will bring him home to freedom then he may just want to get back asap...just a thought. [/*]

HI, Marcia3! Good to see you again.

Well, CAL may honestly think he has a chance to beat the charge. He won't beat it, tho, IMO, because of all of the circumstantial evidence, along with him having admitted he buried Maria. LE knows he was in Lowes buying supplies for his fire pit because he was caught on tape there. CAL sure cannot prove that Maria cut her own throat. The autopsy concludes that Maria died of blunt force trauma to the head. I feel that the DA has a great case here for a guilty verdict.

I think CAL had help, and it is just my opinion that the help was Christina.



:)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by VC2


i don't agree :D I think the baby bag/clothes speak for themself. That maria had them with her and anything of hers was going to be buried with her. Would be idiotic to keep them.

The only thing they mean to me is that she did plan to leave town. Which may be what triggered him, he could not stand her leaving.

jmo [/*]

Yeah, and the baby items could have been left with the other things in her car IMO...but the act of tossing them in over top speaks to a scorned woman IMOO. ;)

:seeya: Christina is a disgrace IMO, and VERY SELF-ORITENTED if she was worried about the cheating at this point in the case.

WOW, that is all I CAN SAY...without a soul maybe...AGAIN JMO.:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Rick Sutherland Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=32#comment-171 [/*]

Dang, you're good!!! Thanks!

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Search warrants that may have led to Laurean's arrest sealed by judge

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55990___article.html/authorities_mexico.html

Search warrants for the Jacksonville house investigators raided nearly two weeks ago looking for evidence of communication between Cesar Laurean and his wife Christina were sealed by a judge at the time the search occurred.

But Dewey Hudson, district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District that includes Onslow County, said law enforcement officials have information that the Laureans were communicating by computer and may have made plans to meet. [/*]

:seeya: Nuttin...here for just a bit more. Thanks for the link. So.....that raid was true! Those riddles on the JD News comments section also indicated as such. How interesting.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by Missti


Oh yeah..he had the laptop plugged up his A$$ for power...while sitting in an Avocado grove :rolleyes:

He was staying with SOMEONE for these three months...but of course he isn't going to say that and have THEM be charged for hiding him...he will lie and protect his family and friends.

He looked pretty darn clean for someone who has lived in the fields for 90 days. [/*]

YES! He was WAY too clean. His hair was disheveled, not a rat's nest. His pants are way too tight for someone who has lived off the land for 3 months. His arms are still filled out - look at them compared to the ATM video - whoever is in that picture has arms way skinnier than what we saw on Cesar last night.

And his beard - VERY trimmed. That is not a 3 month shaggy growth - & we know, from looking at his previous pictures, that he has a heavy beard - you can see the 5 o'clock shadow on him even after he has shaved. He would have grown a big beard in 3 months time.

As for "I loved her" - that, to me, sounds like he has had enough internet access & read enough comments about Christina to KNOW that there is & there will be a group of folks who will believe his wife did it. And being the manipulating SOB he is, he decided to take his chances, go back & claim "hey, just because Maria's body was buried, doesn't mean I did it - my WIFE is the one who did it, and you can't PROVE I actually killed her."

Christina - time for YOUR bus ride - your darling husband is throwing you right under the dang bus, IMO. Been torn between you love him, you miss him but your ticked that he cheated on you? Get a clue - he used you & he is going to continue to use you just like a tool.

JMO

JMO

[Amy S.]

My mother was in LE and she used to tell me that there was always a woman involved, when another woman was killed viciously.

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by Devotion

HE LOVED MARIA!

Is it a possibility CL only married C. because she was pregnant and NOT because of true love?

Possibly feeling it was the RIGHT thing to do for the child and his military reputation?....jmo [/*]

My hubby is in the military, and it is quite common to marry fast without thinking especially if female is with child. All of his friends that married with no regard to love are divorced.

Also on military bases it is very common for men to marry older women, I haven't figured out the logic behind this, but very common.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Dang, you're good!!! Thanks! [/*]

Lynn G is the bestest there is!

[JanDoe]

"I never even had sex with her..."
"I went with her to the bus station to buy a ticket..."
"she showed up acting strange..."
"she slit her throat..."
"I buried her..."
"I loved her"

Maybe the defense can make heads or tails?

Cesar sure looks like the last FBI photo put out.

[JD81]

Originally posted by Amy S.
My mother was in LE and she used to tell me that there was always a woman involved, when another woman was killed viciously. [/*]


:eek: Always?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Marcia3


There's just so much that's still left as question marks for me.

If there was love or affection between CAL and Maria (and I'm not saying there wasn't) where does the rape accusation come in?

Why did he force her to remove funds from the ATM before he killed her?

That's just the start of my questions, but you get my general drift, I think. Just color me confused.

:stolen shrug: [/*]

Marcia, I think we (you and I) here on this board might have discussed it early in the case when the revelation of a realtionship first came out.

I've SEEN IT and watched the people involved go back together and raise their child together...unhealty relationship, YES,but they are still up and down.

So I think it's possible Maria found out he was married and/or wasn't able to leave his wife and knew she was late. She was in survival mode herself IMHO. :(

IF it's true about the dates, the MC letter pieces released yesterday...I dunno. But I think their relationship was something more than we know at this time. JMO.

I am not AT ALL CONVINCED at this time that is what happened, but have seen people claiming such on the web, and you know how that goes, before long, it becomes fact.

I had seen RS deny that previously. But hey he denied the raid on Christina's sisters's house and I know four people saw it.

JMO and all that.:shrug: I am still confused too, but think SB knew exactly what he was talking about with twists and turns not to mention bizarre.

I don't see me ever going to the home of a man I accused of rape, whether it was a solid allegation or false accusation. I would be terrified either way and I know I wouldn't put myself in his home. We may have to face it, she had trust with him at some point. JMO. :(

[Devotion]

Originally posted by donna


HI, Marcia3! Good to see you again.

Well, CAL may honestly think he has a chance to beat the charge. He won't beat it, tho, IMO, because of all of the circumstantial evidence, along with him having admitted he buried Maria. LE knows he was in Lowes buying supplies for his fire pit because he was caught on tape there. CAL sure cannot prove that Maria cut her own throat.

The autopsy concludes that Maria died of blunt force trauma to the head. I feel that the DA has a great case here for a guilty verdict.

I think CAL had help, and it is just my opinion that the help was Christina.

:) [/*]

Maybe CL can prove he didn't write the NOTES....

[Calla]

Originally posted by JD81


LOL perhaps they have computer stations there you can use. imo [/*]

Oh how stupid of me I thought it was mangroves

Now I know it is avacados.....I completely understand computer access now:D

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Amy S.
My mother was in LE and she used to tell me that there was always a woman involved, when another woman was killed viciously. [/*]

WOW Amy, I thought it might be just common sense. J/K. ;)

I have suspected her being much deeper in this for months. While I won't say she is the only person I can see wielding the blow of death, but I definitely can see her as having as much or more of a reason.

LE would be nothing short of REMISS if they did not CONTINUE their investigation IMHO. :cool:

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Search warrants that may have led to Laurean's arrest sealed by judge

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55990___article.html/authorities_mexico.html

Search warrants for the Jacksonville house investigators raided nearly two weeks ago looking for evidence of communication between Cesar Laurean and his wife Christina were sealed by a judge at the time the search occurred.

But Dewey Hudson, district attorney for the 4th Prosecutorial District that includes Onslow County, said law enforcement officials have information that the Laureans were communicating by computer and may have made plans to meet. [/*]

It sure doesn't sound like she was cooperating if they had to execute a search warrant in order to seize the computer she was communicating with Laurean on?

Meeting in LV around Memorial Day? No wonder LE sealed the warrant. I'll bet they would have loved to have captured him in LV.

In any event, I'm glad he is in custody.

Good morning, everyone!

:seeya:

[JD81]

Originally posted by Calla


Oh how stupid of me I thought it was mangroves

Now I know it is avacados.....I completely understand computer access now:D [/*]

:D

[AmyO]

Originally posted by jbellaj
I was so happy last night to hear they got the cold hearted killer. I can't wait for him to get back. It's a shame the DP is off the table even though I'm not a DP kind of person, this crime deserves it. I still say wifey is involved. JMO [/*]
Hi jbellaj! Nice to see you here! Isn't this great news? We'll finally get to hear both sides of this mess.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Tacori


It sure doesn't sound like she was cooperating if they had to execute a search warrant in order to seize the computer she was communicating with Laurean on?

Meeting in LV around Memorial Day? No wonder LE sealed the warrant. I'll bet they would have loved to have captured him in LV.

In any event, I'm glad he is in custody.

Good morning, everyone!

:seeya: [/*]

:D Vegas, what are the odds????

Unreal and to think this woman has not lied and fed whoever whatever they wanted to hear is living in lalaland IMO.

Christina needs to be held accountable for her role in this sad tale IMO. Time will tell. :patriot:

jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by Devotion

HE LOVED MARIA!

Is it a possibility CL only married C. because she was pregnant and NOT because of true love?

Possibly feeling it was the RIGHT thing to do for the child and his military reputation?....jmo [/*]

That is my opinion, Devotion. He was so young.

:patriot:

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Amy S.
My mother was in LE and she used to tell me that there was always a woman involved, when another woman was killed viciously. [/*]
I agree with your mom. Oldest motive in history.

[angelzeyez12]

He looked to clean to be living outside for 3 months. I think the face hair was to change his look, not from living on nature.

[Lynn Gweeny]

“It was no surprise to me that he was apprehended. I never had a doubt, and I would have to say with confidence that those who had been on his trail, it was no doubt that the time was close," Brown told Eyewitness News 9.

This afternoon, we're also expecting to hear more from Dewey Hudson, the Onslow County District Attorney.

Eyewitness News 9 spoke with him a short while ago, though. He says that investigators, within the last two weeks, seized a computer from Christina Laurean's sister's house. Apparently Christina Laurean had been using that computer communicate with Cesar Laurean.

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news/local_news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-04-10-0068.html

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yeah, and the baby items could have been left with the other things in her car IMO...but the act of tossing them in over top speaks to a scorned woman IMOO. ;)

:seeya: Christina is a disgrace IMO, and VERY SELF-ORIENTED if she was worried about the cheating at this point in the case.

WOW, that is all I CAN SAY...without a soul maybe...AGAIN JMO.: [/*]

After all this time the only thing Christina is angry about is her own woes of being cheated on.:rolleyes:

imoo

[AmyO]

Originally posted by JanDoe
"I never even had sex with her..."
"I went with her to the bus station to buy a ticket..."
"she showed up acting strange..."
"she slit her throat..."
"I buried her..."
"I loved her"

Maybe the defense can make heads or tails?

Cesar sure looks like the last FBI photo put out. [/*]
LOL! Confusing, huh? Just the tip of the iceberg. imo

[court~critic1®]

Hello all,
It has been awhhile since I have been on here. Lighting sure mess up several things at my place. Including my puter.:mad:


I posted from the very begining that this sub-human was in Mexico. Some told me I was wrong. Gee it feels good to say"I told you so" :D


Now for the long years of waiting to get his behind back in the US.

[lilCanuck]

Originally posted by JD81


She's not under arrest. He is.

:chicken: jmo [/*]

She isn't but she should be - I still maintain the killing was an act of a woman incensed by the affair. And it happened in a rage!! As I said yesterday, I think she had him bury her, right where she could haunt him about the affair. After all, it's the affair she keeps mentioning, not the death.

JMO of course

[lilCanuck]

Maybe I'm wrong, but i still believe him to be an accessory after the fact.

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by AmyO

Hi jbellaj! Nice to see you here! Isn't this great news? We'll finally get to hear both sides of this mess. [/*]

Back at you Amy, It's been a long time. Are they still going to do a presser at 2?
Does anyone know where wifey is?

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


After all this time the only thing Christina is angry about is her own woes of being cheated on.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*] Hello Everyone, glad to see this thread still going. Banner Day:patriot: ITA, GB, imagine in this tragic event Christina thinking "What about me !". True Narrcicist (sp) JMO

[murdershewrote]

Here's the bad news though....if he doens't waive extradition, it could take several years to get him back to the US, according to report on Fox News last night. I hope that's not right.

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by lilCanuck


She isn't but she should be - I still maintain the killing was an act of a woman incensed by the affair. And it happened in a rage!! As I said yesterday, I think she had him bury her, right where she could haunt him about the affair. After all, it's the affair she keeps mentioning, not the death.

JMO of course [/*]

On the 12 o'clock news in Charlotte they had an interview with Mexico new cast. It stated that he said "he didn't kill her, but admitted to bury her."

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


That is my opinion, Devotion. He was so young.

:patriot: [/*]

My sentiments too donna. They were and are all so young. How tragic any way you look at it.

JMO:patriot:

[AmyO]

Originally posted by jbellaj


Back at you Amy, It's been a long time. Are they still going to do a presser at 2?
Does anyone know where wifey is? [/*]
Yep, presser at 2pm ET. Not sure where Christine is. I assume she's either at her sister's or at her place. Didn't she spend some time with her parents not long after Cesar left town?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428

respectfully snipped.............

Christina - time for YOUR bus ride - your darling husband is throwing you right under the dang bus, IMO. Been torn between you love him, you miss him but your ticked that he cheated on you? Get a clue - he used you & he is going to continue to use you just like a tool.

JMO

JMO [/*]

I am not sure I believe that at all. I do think he has realized trying to hide out is not the answer and when he comes back he will talk imo.

I think Christina is very nervous and she may know what he is going to say if he decides to come clean. If she winds up under the bus then for all we know now that might be where she put herself.

imoo

[Janz]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Hello Everyone, glad to see this thread still going. Banner Day:patriot: ITA, GB, imagine in this tragic event Christina thinking "What about me !". True Narrcicist (sp) JMO [/*]

Wonder if now, at long last, we will get to see a photo of the infamous Christina?

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by lilCanuck


She isn't but she should be - I still maintain the killing was an act of a woman incensed by the affair. And it happened in a rage!! As I said yesterday, I think she had him bury her, right where she could haunt him about the affair. After all, it's the affair she keeps mentioning, not the death.

JMO of course [/*]

I don't think you're to far off. I think he decided to take the wrap for her thinking running off to Mexico they would never find him. JMO

[StickyBeak]

LE said CL was in Las Vegas to visit his parents. They had hope to catch him there, if I have that correct. I would think CSL would be emailing CLs parents, it is their grandaughter and daughter in law after all. So if CL slipped into town, maybe met up with Mom, Dad or Brothers, they could have told CL what CSL was emailing, maybe by a third party interception. CL knew where/if they worked, shopped, etc. he had some communication. Read on another board CL was staying at a rachero, possibly his aunt, no good link, but maybe she had a computer.
I still think LE seized the computer with a SW to cover their possession as evidence. They said CSL was a cooperating witness, so maybe she helped lure him in by telling him she still loved him and supported him. Why would he requst money from her otherwise? If he knew she was a women scorned, that would be the last person he would communicate with I would think. Mom and Dad no doubt were being watched as well.
JMO.. Looking forward to press conference. Sutherland said alot of questions would be answered at press conference.

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12


On the 12 o'clock news in Charlotte they had an interview with Mexico new cast. It stated that he said "he didn't kill her, but admitted to bury her." [/*]

Here is the link
http://www.wbtv.com/news/topstories/17522959.html

[martha]

Hello everyone I am so very happy today as all of you or. I posted some thing the other day that I thought you all would tear me to pieces over. it was jmho tho. by cl saying he loved her still makes me think i might have been right about what was going on between them. I think they were planing on ml leaving and cl was going to meet her somewhere just guessing tho. ml not having on cloths from the waist down still bothers me. I think the wife needs to open her eyes. i know tina believed cl but if i thought my hubby got someone elce preg then that would be the end of what he and i had. I would have loved the child but the hubby no way. I would have ask ml if i could be part of the child life and loved him forever. I would have tryed to get over cl and went on with my life. cl let his wife go to the party alone and for some reason ml knew he was home alone. ml was not afraid of cl.she was with drawing the rape chg. Her mother has feeling for cl family so maybe she knows more about what was going on with cl and ml, maybe she thought they were in love. just wondering no proof on anything. i think we will be shocked when this all come out one day. maybe 2 years from now. I still can;t get ml and the baby out of my mind and i know it did not have to end this way. i don;t know how i would feel if i was ml mother angry i guess i don;t hate people in anyway but to lose my daughter would be the worst of the worst must less the baby. may GOD give everyone peace in this. GOD will not forgive us if we don;t forgive others so knowing that I can;t say what or how i would feel right now. just thankful he is caught.:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by lilCanuck


She isn't but she should be - I still maintain the killing was an act of a woman incensed by the affair. And it happened in a rage!! As I said yesterday, I think she had him bury her, right where she could haunt him about the affair. After all, it's the affair she keeps mentioning, not the death.

JMO of course [/*]

Oh yes, Christina is going to out herself. Too bad they didn't have time to let her really go on IMO. :o

I'm thinking they'd be putting the cuffs on her too if they did.

JMO.:eek:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Investigators were combing the computer for evidence, and charges could be filed if authorities determine information was being passed to Cesar Laurean to help him elude capture, Hudson said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/

[donna]

Originally posted by Devotion


Maybe CL can prove he didn't write the NOTES.... [/*]

Maybe he can.

I wonder if those were copies of the actual notes laid on the table in the AMW show? IF those were actual copies, then that particular one was printed from a computer. Also, I noticed the signature. It was a neat one and not at all the scrawl Cesar did when he signed his and Christina's marriage license. If you taped the show, maybe you can go back, 'still' the shot, and see. Then the marriage license copy is on nuttintodo's photobucket album located in the links section!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Hello Everyone, glad to see this thread still going. Banner Day:patriot: ITA, GB, imagine in this tragic event Christina thinking "What about me !". True Narcissist (sp) JMO [/*]

Yep makes me think about the day that CSL approached Maria Lauterbach, as told to Mary by Maria.

Always about her.

imoo

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Janz


Wonder if now, at long last, we will get to see a photo of the infamous Christina? [/*]
Oh yeah! I'd forgotten we've never seen this chick!

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12


On the 12 o'clock news in Charlotte they had an interview with Mexico new cast. It stated that he said "he didn't kill her, but admitted to bury her." [/*]

Whoops. There it is.

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by AmyO

Yep, presser at 2pm ET. Not sure where Christine is. I assume she's either at her sister's or at her place. Didn't she spend some time with her parents not long after Cesar left town? [/*]

I thought she went back to active duty after he took off. I'm not sure though. I still say this crime was done by both of them. I want to know can she be charged with this PC talk they had going on?

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by donna


HI, Marcia3! Good to see you again.

Well, CAL may honestly think he has a chance to beat the charge. He won't beat it, tho, IMO, because of all of the circumstantial evidence, along with him having admitted he buried Maria. LE knows he was in Lowes buying supplies for his fire pit because he was caught on tape there. CAL sure cannot prove that Maria cut her own throat. The autopsy concludes that Maria died of blunt force trauma to the head. I feel that the DA has a great case here for a guilty verdict.

I think CAL had help, and it is just my opinion that the help was Christina.



:) [/*]

Good to be back, Donna, and so happy that this guy is finally in custody.

ITA, he will have a difficult if not impossible time convincing anyone that he did not do exactly what he has been charged with doing. But juries have surprised us before, so you never know, right?

And yes, he definitely had help, definitely. I'm leaning towards CSL, but open to other possibilities.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:D Vegas, what are the odds????

Unreal and to think this woman has not lied and fed whoever whatever they wanted to hear is living in lalaland IMO.

Christina needs to be held accountable for her role in this sad tale IMO. Time will tell. :patriot:

jmo [/*]

:D

I find it odd that for the longest time LE have called Christina a cooperating witness but now it appears as tho LE is making excuses for her? She is still very much in love with her husband, or some such? It doesn't sound like she was cooperating, if, in fact, she was planning on meeting him and using her sisters computer?

I dunno. Maybe I need to read some more and have another cup of coffee.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by VC2


I am thrilled this nasty little creep was caught!!!

as far as his "i love her" goes, imo it explains why he murdered her. (or at least oneo f the reasons)

I think she told him she was leaving town and she wanted nothing to do with him, and he, like so many sociopaths who want their cake and to eat it to, went into a rage and murdered her based on the "i love her and how dare she leave me even if i have no intention of getting a divorce" thinking

There have been more than a few murders based on that..the other woman saying screw you.

Another scenario is that she threatened him saying "either you leave christina or I will tell her that it was actually an affair and i have the letters you wrote me as proof"

Or, again on the "i love her", she told him that the baby was not his, she had only said so to keep the real daddy hidden and he went ballistic because the bit on the side whom he "loved" had been toying with him.

jmo [/*]

EXCELLENT theories, VC, except I detest the abuse of the word "sociopath."

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by Tacori


:D

I find it odd that for the longest time LE have called Christina a cooperating witness but now it appears as tho LE is making excuses for her? She is still very much in love with her husband, or some such? It doesn't sound like she was cooperating, if, in fact, she was planning on meeting him and using her sisters computer?

I dunno. Maybe I need to read some more and have another cup of coffee. [/*]
Hola Taco. :)
Welcome back.

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
Here's the bad news though....if he doens't waive extradition, it could take several years to get him back to the US, according to report on Fox News last night. I hope that's not right. [/*]
Did you see the Mexican Police with their shotguns?? :eek: They scared me!!!
I'd come running back to the USA. :patriot:

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by Amy S.
My mother was in LE and she used to tell me that there was always a woman involved, when another woman was killed viciously. [/*]

I can't agree with that. There would be are too many women involved in all the serial killings committed by the likes of Ted Bundy, BTK, etc. if that was even remotely accurate.

JMO

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by Janz


Wonder if now, at long last, we will get to see a photo of the infamous Christina? [/*] Should her long standing status of "cooperate witness" change to "Co-Defendant" I'am sure we will finally get to see lots of pictures of her ;)

[Calla]

Originally posted by court~critic1®
Hello all,
It has been awhhile since I have been on here. Lighting sure mess up several things at my place. Including my puter.:mad:


I posted from the very begining that this sub-human was in Mexico. Some told me I was wrong. Gee it feels good to say"I told you so" :D


Now for the long years of waiting to get his behind back in the US. [/*]

I don't think it will take that long. I think he will want to come back and make Christina own up to her part in this. :shrug:

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12


On the 12 o'clock news in Charlotte they had an interview with Mexico new cast. It stated that he said "he didn't kill her, but admitted to bury her."

He's claimed that from the beginning.

He says Maria slit her own throat in front of him.

Forensics say otherwise.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by snowshuze

Hola Taco. :)
Welcome back. [/*]

Mornin', Shuze! :seeya:

It's great to see you!

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Land Shark®


He's claimed that from the beginning.

He says Maria slit her own throat in front of him.

Forensics say otherwise. [/*]
I agree with you. That story of his isn't gonna fly.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12
He looked to clean to be living outside for 3 months. I think the face hair was to change his look, not from living on nature. [/*]

I don't know where everyone is getting that he lived outside for the ENTIRE 3 months. He didn't say that, did he? :confused:

[VC2]

Originally posted by strick10


So you're saying LE has physical evidence that points only at CAL? I realize they found the supposidly murder weapon but they never said more about it so it may not have been the weapon. All they have are CALs notes and CSLs statements no? [/*]

that murder weapon would tell them alot if it has Cesar's fingerprints and her blood with no one elses except the person who handed it over.

And i also say no one but cesar would have thought of the barbacoa method to bury a body and degrade it while it looking like no grave.

imo

eta i agree LE knows who did it and that is why christina was never arrested. btw as far as the sw goes, she could not turn the puter over to LE, it was her sisters. Also i doubt she would, so long as she did not send funds or otherwise help him, many a stupid woman has stayed in love with a husband accused of a gruesome murder. Many of those believing his story of it no matter how it seems incredible to us. Either way i think LE would have been foolish not to get a search warrant even if christina told them about it. to many chances that his attorney would then get anything he said on it thrown out based on no warrant, and even though they would probably win the argument why take the chance. Better to do it by the book

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Investigators were combing the computer for evidence, and charges could be filed if authorities determine information was being passed to Cesar Laurean to help him elude capture, Hudson said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/ [/*]

Thanks, Lynn Gweeny! :seeya:

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by AmyO

I agree with you. That story of his isn't gonna fly. [/*]

Unless he says wifey did it because she caught a pregnant Maria in her house and lost it and he helped her cover it up.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


After all this time the only thing Christina is angry about is her own woes of being cheated on.:rolleyes:

imoo [/*]

Was it said that was the ONLY thing she was angry about? It is the only thing reported.....not necessarily what she herself has discussed with Cesar.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by StickyBeak
LE said CL was in Las Vegas to visit his parents. They had hope to catch him there, if I have that correct. I would think CSL would be emailing CLs parents, it is their granddaughter and daughter in law after all. So if CL slipped into town, maybe met up with Mom, Dad or Brothers, they could have told CL what CSL was emailing, maybe by a third party interception. CL knew where/if they worked, shopped, etc. he had some communication. Read on another board CL was staying at a rachero, possibly his aunt, no good link, but maybe she had a computer.
I still think LE seized the computer with a SW to cover their possession as evidence. They said CSL was a cooperating witness, so maybe she helped lure him in by telling him she still loved him and supported him. Why would he request money from her otherwise? If he knew she was a women scorned, that would be the last person he would communicate with I would think. Mom and Dad no doubt were being watched as well.
JMO.. Looking forward to press conference. Sutherland said alot of questions would be answered at press conference. [/*]

I just don't see any evidence of that. If she was cooperating fully at that time they wouldn't have seized her personal diaries and I do believe she may have written him letters she hadn't mailed.......I think they seized them too and other things we aren't privy to.... There also is hints that she had made plans to meet him.

She certainly was not cooperating at that time.....she was communicating with the fugitive when she thought it was a secret, most likely she felt safe because it was being done on her sister's computer and not hers.

She made a mistake and they got wind of it and came in with a SW.

She by no means is the only female that has stood by their man even when they have been accused of murder.

moo

[Janz]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Should her long standing status of "cooperate witness" change to "Co-Defendant" I'am sure we will finally get to see lots of pictures of her ;) [/*]

I am looking for that status change as well!! Not that pics make too much of a difference, but I can see Cesar falling for the beatiful blonde Maria. May the poor girl and her Gabriel find Rest!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Murder suspect caught (3:54)
Captain Rick Sutherland talks to CNN's John Roberts about the capture of Cesar Laurean. (fyi Capt. Sutherland talks about Christina)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/11/intv.sutherland.laurean.cnn?iref=videosearch

[martha]

JMHO I don;t think ml was forced to go to the atm that day. she had a bus ticket and she was leaving and i think cl was going to join her later. something went wrong when she went back to cl house. maybe tina come back from the party to catch them togeather.??? i don;t believe this killing was planed i don;t think it would have happened this way if it was planned. jmho:rose: I think cl and ml had this plan to leave for months. I am sure he told his wife he did not rape her and he did not care anything about ml but looks like he did from him saying he loved her. wife needs to wake up maybe ml told her mother a lot about this. her mother could have known ml was going to leave the mc and cl was going with her. maybe that is why she did not report it and get upset early on in this case just guessing jmho:rose:

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Investigators were combing the computer for evidence, and charges could be filed if authorities determine information was being passed to Cesar Laurean to help him elude capture, Hudson said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/ [/*]

Interesting that they have had possesion of that computer for approximately two weeks and Christina has not yet been arrested.

Also, I am interested in whether or not LE gave Christina a polygraph. If she agreed to take one and passed it, I think that and other evidence they have, would go a long way in their belief of who committed this murder: Cesar.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by jbellaj


Unless he says wifey did it because she caught a pregnant Maria in her house and lost it and he helped her cover it up. [/*]
True but HIS story is that Maria slit her own throat. Shark is right, forensics proved otherwise.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Marcia, I think we (you and I) here on this board might have discussed it early in the case when the revelation of a realtionship first came out.

I've SEEN IT and watched the people involved go back together and raise their child together...unhealty relationship, YES,but they are still up and down.

So I think it's possible Maria found out he was married and/or wasn't able to leave his wife and knew she was late. She was in survival mode herself IMHO. :(

IF it's true about the dates, the MC letter pieces released yesterday...I dunno. But I think their relationship was something more than we know at this time. JMO.

I am not AT ALL CONVINCED at this time that is what happened, but have seen people claiming such on the web, and you know how that goes, before long, it becomes fact.

I had seen RS deny that previously. But hey he denied the raid on Christina's sisters's house and I know four people saw it.

JMO and all that.:shrug: I am still confused too, but think SB knew exactly what he was talking about with twists and turns not to mention bizarre.

I don't see me ever going to the home of a man I accused of rape, whether it was a solid allegation or false accusation. I would be terrified either way and I know I wouldn't put myself in his home. We may have to face it, she had trust with him at some point. JMO. :( [/*]

Yes, CK, we did talk about that very early on, and ITA that there are certainly dysfunctional relationships out there, and it's entirely possible that CAL and Maria had such a relationship.

I am hopeful that we may hear the truth, finally, at some point.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Calla


I don't think it will take that long. I think he will want to come back and make Christina own up to her part in this. :shrug: [/*]

Me either and if she is involved then he needs to tell them that.

No one should go unpunished who were involved in this crime.

I think Christina had as much or more motive to want Maria and the baby dead.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Tacori


:D

I find it odd that for the longest time LE have called Christina a cooperating witness but now it appears as tho LE is making excuses for her? She is still very much in love with her husband, or some such? It doesn't sound like she was cooperating, if, in fact, she was planning on meeting him and using her sisters computer?

I dunno. Maybe I need to read some more and have another cup of coffee. [/*]

:D I think she holds that status until she messes up again like she did with the computer Tacori. I think once Cesar is back and talking,she might be messing up much more.

A secret is great when there is only one to talk about it, but dang if it don't become a serious problem when there are TWO IMO.

look for the fireworks to come! :patriot: JMO

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by AmyO

True but HIS story is that Maria slit her own throat. Shark is right, forensics proved otherwise. [/*]

That's what was said...there's nothing to say he's not going to change his story. Anyway, didn't that story come by way of a note that the wife provided. Please refresh my memory on this.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Interesting that they have had possesion of that computer for approximately two weeks and Christina has not yet been arrested.

Also, I am interested in whether or not LE gave Christina a polygraph. If she agreed to take one and passed it, I think that and other evidence they have, would go a long way in their belief of who committed this murder: Cesar. [/*]

Well Rs in that video link says she is STILL considered a cooperating witness.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Interesting that they have had possesion of that computer for approximately two weeks and Christina has not yet been arrested.

Also, I am interested in whether or not LE gave Christina a polygraph. If she agreed to take one and passed it, I think that and other evidence they have, would go a long way in their belief of who committed this murder: Cesar. [/*]

Good morning, Regina!

I have no doubt Cesar committed the murder and I'm glad he is in custody.

I'm just not so sure after reading, (especially this morning) that Christina was fully cooperating or is squeeky clean in this.

Perhaps LE was still monitoring her communication with CL after they executed the SW?

[JD81]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Murder suspect caught (3:54)
Captain Rick Sutherland talks to CNN's John Roberts about the capture of Cesar Laurean. (fyi Capt. Sutherland talks about Christina)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/04/11/intv.sutherland.laurean.cnn?iref=videosearch [/*]

Thanks Lynn! Christina is still a cooperating witness.

jmo

[VC2]

Originally posted by angelzeyez12


Here is the link
http://www.wbtv.com/news/topstories/17522959.html [/*]

I think it means that he is going to stick to the "she committed suicide by slashing her throat" story. Its what he told christina and we all know how many sick and stupid murderers stay with their wild defenses.

Same with his "proof" comment. He plans to argue that there is no proof it was murder and also that any fractures were heat fractures.

jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Good to be back, Donna, and so happy that this guy is finally in custody.

ITA, he will have a difficult if not impossible time convincing anyone that he did not do exactly what he has been charged with doing. But juries have surprised us before, so you never know, right?

And yes, he definitely had help, definitely. I'm leaning towards CSL, but open to other possibilities. [/*]

;) ... That is exactly how I lean as well!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Interesting that they have had possession of that computer for approximately two weeks and Christina has not yet been arrested.

Also, I am interested in whether or not LE gave Christina a polygraph. If she agreed to take one and passed it, I think that and other evidence they have, would go a long way in their belief of who committed this murder: Cesar. [/*]

Since she had an attorney before even turning over the notes, I highly doubt he would recommend her taking a LDT.

They seem to still be checking out the computer.

imoo

[Amy S.]

It will be interesting to know how detailed the Internet conversations were.

Was one of them saying "Why did you kill her?" and things like that?

[Janz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Since she had an attorney before even turning over the notes, I highly doubt he would recommend her taking a LDT.

They seem to still be checking out the computer.

imoo [/*]

That`s my understanding about still ckecking out the computer and didn`t I understand RS say in the above link, that they had been looking at NEW evidence just within the last month??

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Interesting that they have had possesion of that computer for approximately two weeks and Christina has not yet been arrested.

Also, I am interested in whether or not LE gave Christina a polygraph. If she agreed to take one and passed it, I think that and other evidence they have, would go a long way in their belief of who committed this murder: Cesar. [/*]

I think LE is far more on the ball than many message board posters ever want to give them credit. I really do believe they had some concrete ideas on how to go about trailing down Cesar. I think LE realized from very early on that either one or both of them was trying to create stories - that either or both of them were of the opinion that they were so clever that they could simply bamboozle the investigators. (like Diane Downs, who has always believed she was way smarter than everyone else).

From this link - Christina contacted him in February, whether that was early in the month or late, I don't know.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/

Onslow County authorities two weeks ago seized a computer belonging to Christina Laurean's sister, Hudson said. Investigators believe Christina Laurean used the computer to communicate with her husband since February, he said.

Investigators were combing the computer for evidence, and charges could be filed if authorities determine information was being passed to Cesar Laurean to help him elude capture, Hudson said.

And look at 'McGuyver' Laurean at that link - that guy is way too clean to have been sleeping outside & living on avocados, IMO. His shirt is not nearly wrinkled enough. His mustache is trimmed. He is not overly tanned. He only THINKS he is smart enough to outfox everyone.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Sumanadevii


My opinion is not for long. I believe she killed Marie. I think he was talked into helping out of guilt. He is young. It was the crime of a woman. Way way too well planned out for a young man. [/*]

I do too. He didn't need a high IQ to know they were going to blame him for this crime due to the prior circumstances.

He was from another country...he had somewhere to flee to where he had familiarity. Christina did not.

imoo

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Tacori


Good morning, Regina!

I have no doubt Cesar committed the murder and I'm glad he is in custody.

I'm just not so sure after reading especially this morning, that Christina was fully cooperating or is squeeky clean in this.

Perhaps LE was still monitoring her communication with CL after they executed the SW? [/*]

Hi Tacori!! It's odd to me too, that from certain reports it appears that he was captured during a sting for another case, they really didn't have the goods on just him. An accident, if you will, that they got him.

So imo, the info retrieved from that computer may not be as vital as some think.

I'm taking everything I hear until the official press conference with a huge grain of Mortons.

:seeya:

[JD81]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Since she had an attorney before even turning over the notes, I highly doubt he would recommend her taking a LDT.

They seem to still be checking out the computer.

imoo [/*]

How long would it take to check out a computer? It's been over two weeks. It was a surprise search warrant so there was no warning and Christina would not have tried to erase the emails. imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by martha
JMHO I don;t think ml was forced to go to the atm that day. she had a bus ticket and she was leaving and i think cl was going to join her later. something went wrong when she went back to cl house. maybe tina come back from the party to catch them togeather.??? i don;t believe this killing was planed i don;t think it would have happened this way if it was planned. jmho:rose: I think cl and ml had this plan to leave for months. I am sure he told his wife he did not rape her and he did not care anything about ml but looks like he did from him saying he loved her. wife needs to wake up maybe ml told her mother a lot about this. her mother could have known ml was going to leave the mc and cl was going with her. maybe that is why she did not report it and get upset early on in this case just guessing jmho:rose: [/*]

I think much of what you present is VERY POSSIBLE martha, no question. Today on CNN Mary was asked about if Maria ever talked to her about Cesar and she was cautious in her answer saying not by name....

I think it's time for Mary to just admit they had a relationship and she wasn't aware of it and move on. As long as she does that, it will remain a point of contention when she claims to be seeking the truth. THAT IS PART OF THE TRUTH whether she likes it or NOT IMHO. :shrug:

To keep livingin denial will only hamper the truth and justice she is allegedly seeking from my POV.

JMO

[angelzeyez12]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't know where everyone is getting that he lived outside for the ENTIRE 3 months. He didn't say that, did he? :confused: [/*]

Not entire three months, but that he had been sleeping in fields and living off fruit.

But who knows the truth, he probably don't want to get people in trouble for housing him.

[lilCanuck]

Surprise or no surprise, surely anyone with something to hide, would erase immediately, not that that would work totally. Nothing is ever truly erased, but she wouldn't likely know that. I'd imagine, were it me.. I'd try and cover myself. Unless of course, she was communicating with him over the net, as part of her arrangement with LE.

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by JD81


How long would it take to check out a computer? It's been over two weeks. It was a surprise search warrant so there was no warning and Christina would not have tried to erase the emails. imo [/*] Perhaps LE has been using the computer to communicate with Caesar posing as Christina. Makes sense to me! JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JD81


How long would it take to check out a computer? It's been over two weeks. It was a surprise search warrant so there was no warning and Christina would not have tried to erase the emails. imo [/*]

Well in other cases it takes a good length of time to thoroughly go through the computer information. They will not just look at emails.

They have uncovered some information but are continuing to forensically search the computer...so it could still take longer than a mere two weeks.

imoo

[JD81]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Perhaps LE has been using the computer to communicate with Caesar posing as Christina. Makes sense to me! JMO [/*]

YES, of course, I never thought of that! Good point.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Dewey Hudson LIVE on FOXnews right now!

[AmyO]

Originally posted by jbellaj


That's what was said...there's nothing to say he's not going to change his story. Anyway, didn't that story come by way of a note that the wife provided. Please refresh my memory on this. [/*]
I've been away from this case for a while. I don't remember exactly but since Cesar was gone, it makes sense Christina was the one to get that story out there.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Dewey Hudson LIVE on FOXnews right now! [/*]

Please report! Da Boss won't let me have a TV in my office. :biggrin:

[lilCanuck]

Luck is on My side today! Had an appointment cancelled that i thought would keep me away from watching the presser.

I wanted to be here to share it with all of you. So here I am, waitin too. :seeya:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well in other cases it takes a good length of time to thoroughly go through the computer information. They will not just look at emails.

They have uncovered some information but are continuing to forensically search the computer...so it could still take longer than a mere two weeks.

imoo [/*]

Absolutely. Forensic exam of a PC is not done overnight, especially if you need to document everything you discover as you go along.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well in other cases it takes a good length of time to thoroughly go through the computer information. They will not just look at emails.

They have uncovered some information but are continuing to forensically search the computer...so it could still take longer than a mere two weeks.

imoo [/*]

You bet GB. They will be doing a most thorough accounting so it stands up in court given the computer belonged to someone else etc...

I see the poor christina victim card in the works. Another member of the cult of victims and there she sits typing about her narcissistic traumas to her loved one....barf All about her, forget the deceased pregnant woman that was buried in the backyard...she was cheated on for crying out loud.

She is a disgrace to humanity and that child should be elsewhere IMO. :(

[jbellaj]

I thought the presser was at 2?????

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Please report! Da Boss won't let me have a TV in my office. :biggrin: [/*]

I hope someone else was able to hear it since my dog decided it was time to start barking.

What little I did hear, was that if Christina knew where Cesar was and didn't report it, that does not rise to the level of having charges lodged against her. However, if SHE (or anyone) actually aided him, then they can be charged.

He did say something about possible charges when asked by the host, but darnit, I didn't hear exactly what he said. He did seem to hesitate, though, imo.

JMO but a little confusing because wouldn't 'aiding' somewhat fall within the premise of her knowing where he was and not telling?

ETA ~ It sounded like Mr. Hudson said that there was information on the computer they seized which led them to where Cesar was, but since I'm not FOR SURE on that, better wait until the PC for confirmation.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Sumanadevii


Good theory but why the search warrant to search their own stuff? [/*]

;) What a good question.

jmo:biggrin:

[JD81]

Originally posted by Sumanadevii


Good theory but why the search warrant to search their own stuff? [/*]

Whose own stuff, it was to search the computer Christina was using. Then they could use the same computer to act like Christina. DA Hudson just said on Fox, the information from that computer was instrumental in locating Cesar.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by jbellaj
I thought the presser was at 2????? [/*]

Eastern. It's not 2 yet.

[JD81]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


I hope someone else was able to hear it since my dog decided it was time to start barking.

What little I did hear, was that if Christina knew where Cesar was and didn't report it, that does not rise to the level of having charges lodged against her. However, if SHE (or anyone) actually aided him, then they can be charged.

He did say something about possible charges when asked by the host, but darnit, I didn't hear exactly what he said. He did seem to hesitate, though, imo.

JMO but a little confusing because wouldn't 'aiding' somewhat fall within the premise of her knowing where he was and not telling?

ETA ~ It sounded like Mr. Hudson said that there was information on the computer they seized which led them to where Cesar was, but since I'm not FOR SURE on that, better wait until the PC for confirmation. [/*]

He answered when asked about charges, he does not know yet what all was on the computer. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


*snipped*

She is a disgrace to humanity and that child should be elsewhere IMO. :( [/*]

IMO you're jumping the gun, Candy. Thus far nothing I've seen/heard about her makes me categorize her at the level of "disgrace to humanity." :shrug:

[Mitzy2]

Originally posted by Sumanadevii


Good theory but why the search warrant to search their own stuff? [/*] Sorry for the confusion, I meant after LE had the computer in their possession from the search warrant, they may have been E-mailing CL from it to see if he would respond still thinking he was communicating with Christina. :shrug:

[JD81]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


What a good question.

jmo:biggrin: [/*]

:confused: It helps to read posts. Just saying......... jmo:chicken:

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Hi Tacori!! It's odd to me too, that from certain reports it appears that he was captured during a sting for another case, they really didn't have the goods on just him. An accident, if you will, that they got him.

So imo, the info retrieved from that computer may not be as vital as some think.

I'm taking everything I hear until the official press conference with a huge grain of Mortons.

:seeya: [/*]

I just listened to the presser that RS gave that Lynn linked. (Thanks, again Lynn!) He stated that they found out some info a couple of weeks ago that enabled them to narrow down where he was? The SW for the computer?

I just have to wonder if he was not captured during the 'sting' yesterday, were they perfectly willing to wait until he came to LV and capture him there? Was the info gained from the computer, and the fact that she was communicating with him since Feb. used to get her to "cooperate" again?

I hope the presser this afternoon answers those questions as well!

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


IMO you're jumping the gun, Candy. Thus far nothing I've seen/heard about her makes me categorize her at the level of "disgrace to humanity." :shrug: [/*]

I think she is a disgrace...she knew what happened, she knew that poor girl and that baby was in the yard. Nobody will make me think differently on that. They buried and burned mother and child not just once either. She covered for him by letting him get a headstart. She is a disgrace to women. JMO

[JD81]

Originally posted by Mitzy2
Sorry for the confusion, I meant after LE had the computer in their possession from the search warrant, they may have been E-mailing CL from it to see if he would respond still thinking he was communicating with Christina. :shrug: [/*]

I was able to understand what you meant from your first post.:shrug:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by JD81


He answered when asked about charges, he does not know yet what all was on the computer. jmo [/*]

Thanks, JD!

[JD81]

Originally posted by jbellaj


I think she is a disgrace...she knew what happened, she knew that poor girl and that baby was in the yard. Nobody will make me think differently on that. They buried and burned mother and child not just once either. She covered for him by letting him get a headstart. She is a disgrace to women. JMO [/*]


THE ONLY DISGRACE TO HUMANITY IS CESAR. HE IS ALSO A DISGRACE TO THE MC.

JMO :chicken:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by jbellaj


I think she is a disgrace...she knew what happened, she knew that poor girl and that baby was in the yard. Nobody will make me think differently on that. They buried and burned mother and child not just once either. She covered for him by letting him get a headstart. She is a disgrace to women. JMO [/*]

None of what you say, however, is PROVEN yet, except the head start, which IMO can be explained. And.......it was a VERY short time.

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by JD81



THE ONLY DISGRACE TO HUMANITY IS CESAR. HE IS ALSO A DISGRACE TO THE MC.

JMO :chicken: [/*]

First I did not say she was a disgrace to humanity. I said she is a disgrace to all women and I will now add she is a disgrace to motherhood as well.

As far as he is concerned ITA

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Tacori


I just listened to the presser that RS gave that Lynn linked. (Thanks, again Lynn!) He stated that they found out some info a couple of weeks ago that enabled them to narrow down where he was? The SW for the computer?

I just have to wonder if he was not captured during the 'sting' yesterday, were they perfectly willing to wait until he came to LV and capture him there? Was the info gained from the computer, and the fact that she was communicating with him since Feb. used to get her to "cooperate" again?

I hope the presser this afternoon answers those questions as well! [/*]
Good point, cuz imo Hudson really wanted the death penalty for this murderer and catching him in the US would allow for that.

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


None of what you say, however, is PROVEN yet, except the head start, which IMO can be explained. And.......it was a VERY short time. [/*]

It's MO.....she waited 4 hours which was plenty of time for him to get away. JMO........................................

[VC2]

Originally posted by JD81


How long would it take to check out a computer? It's been over two weeks. It was a surprise search warrant so there was no warning and Christina would not have tried to erase the emails. imo [/*]

I remember RS saying that there was nothing they asked Christina to do that was refused, when she was being interviewed and over the days of the investigation. Imo that would have included a poly :shrug:

imo

[JD81]

Originally posted by VC2


I remember RS saying that there was nothing they asked Christina to do that was refused, when she was being interviewed and over the days of the investigation. Imo that would have included a poly :shrug:

imo [/*]

I agree. If LE asked she would. imo

[cog1]

Hi All,
Reading and catching up so iggy if this has been discussed.

Could CL been using his cell phone to text messages Xtina and her replying from the computer.

If she has continued paying the cell bill then as long as he was recieving a signal, he could text her.

JMT

[JD81]

Originally posted by jbellaj


First I did not say she was a disgrace to humanity. I said she is a disgrace to all women and I will now add she is a disgrace to motherhood as well.

As far as he is concerned ITA [/*]

He is also the only disgrace all women and to motherhood. He killed a mother and child. jmo

[SavannahStar]

First time I read this, about tears:

"He appeared slightly disoriented and stared straight ahead, his eyes occasionally filling up with tears as he answered a reporter's questions in terse phrases."

http://wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
First time I read this, about tears:

"He appeared slightly disoriented and stared straight ahead, his eyes occasionally filling up with tears as he answered a reporter's questions in terse phrases."

http://wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/ [/*]

Thx, SS, I read that earlier but didn't let it sink in. Tears for whom, I guess I would want to know. Himself? Tears of relief maybe that at least the running part of this mess was over? Tears for his daughter, wife, family? Tears of remorse or at least regret?

Would love to know...

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Good point, cuz imo Hudson really wanted the death penalty for this murderer and catching him in the US would allow for that. [/*]

Exactly!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Mimi428


I think LE is far more on the ball than many message board posters ever want to give them credit. I really do believe they had some concrete ideas on how to go about trailing down Cesar. I think LE realized from very early on that either one or both of them was trying to create stories - that either or both of them were of the opinion that they were so clever that they could simply bamboozle the investigators. (like Diane Downs, who has always believed she was way smarter than everyone else).

From this link - Christina contacted him in February, whether that was early in the month or late, I don't know.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2719416/

Onslow County authorities two weeks ago seized a computer belonging to Christina Laurean's sister, Hudson said. Investigators believe Christina Laurean used the computer to communicate with her husband since February, he said.

Investigators were combing the computer for evidence, and charges could be filed if authorities determine information was being passed to Cesar Laurean to help him elude capture, Hudson said.

And look at 'McGuyver' Laurean at that link - that guy is way too clean to have been sleeping outside & living on avocados, IMO. His shirt is not nearly wrinkled enough. His mustache is trimmed. He is not overly tanned. He only THINKS he is smart enough to outfox everyone.

JMO [/*]

The same goes for his wife IMO. I digress to the opining of RS about how you feel and you know things, but you need other things to bring a solid arrest and conviction.

Christina is but a tool in the box for them and when they are done with her, my guess is she will be going down for her role.

JMO.:patriot:

[JD81]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Thx, SS, I read that earlier but didn't let it sink in. Tears for whom, I guess I would want to know. Himself? Tears of relief maybe that at least the running part of this mess was over? Tears for his daughter, wife, family? Tears of remorse or at least regret?

Would love to know... [/*]

Tears for himself. imo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Thx, SS, I read that earlier but didn't let it sink in. Tears for whom, I guess I would want to know. Himself? Tears of relief maybe that at least the running part of this mess was over? Tears for his daughter, wife, family? Tears of remorse or at least regret?

Would love to know... [/*]

I definitely think all of it......including tears for Maria.

[JD81]

Does anyone have a live feed for the press conference????????????

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by JD81
Does anyone have a live feed for the press conference???????????? [/*]

It's supposed to be on WRAL.com. I have that open now, just waiting.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Here are the links to who is covering the PC:

http://www.wral.com/

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/home.html (KEYWORDS: LIVE VIDEO)

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/17509794.html (There is a link to the PC in the 2nd paragraph of the article)

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/home.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index

http://www.cnn.com/

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I definitely think all of it......including tears for Maria. [/*]

I think so, too. It's much easier to think of someone as a monster or a cold blooded killer when they are not "fleshed out" for you. Not that I am excusing CAL, not in the least. But I have never really thought that he planned Maria's murder in advance, that it was an act of complete impulse. I also think that it is possible for a killer to deeply regret what they have done. I don't know if CAL regrets it, I am just saying that it is possible.

All JMO of course.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by tbrito1
go to cnn, they are setting up for the briefing... [/*]
Hey old friend! How the heck are ya?? Glad to see you here. I'm just waiting for the presser. The sooner the better.

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by JD81


He is also the only disgrace all women and to motherhood. He killed a mother and child. jmo [/*]

And you think she is totally innocent in all of this????????????:rolleyes:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I definitely think all of it......including tears for Maria. [/*]

I agree and a life that will never be over a poor decision and lack of control IMO. :(

All those lives ruined and two precious lives taken from this earth and for what????

It must be a rude awakening when you are twenty years old and think of what life will really be for you. How you will never see your parents and touch them again UNLESS IT IS APPROVED, you will never see your daughter go through all the phases of life and mostly that you will never KNOW FREEDOM AGAIN and you were signed up to FIGHT FOR IT! :patriot:

All just my opinion based on the idea that the age represents a time in life when we tend to think it's all out there for the taking in this life.

:rose: Justice is on the way Maria and Gabriel, but the train may be slow to arrive at the station.

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I think so, too. It's much easier to think of someone as a monster or a cold blooded killer when they are not "fleshed out" for you. Not that I am excusing CAL, not in the least. But I have never really thought that he planned Maria's murder in advance, that it was an act of complete impulse. I also think that it is possible for a killer to deeply regret what they have done. I don't know if CAL regrets it, I am just saying that it is possible.

All JMO of course. [/*]

Marcia, I could have written that. I so totally agree.

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by JD81


Tears for himself. imo [/*]He is smiling here. :flamemad: :flamemad: :flamemad: Let me have him for 5 minutes, he won't smile EVER again!

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2304068,00.html

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by jbellaj


And you think she is totally innocent in all of this????????????:rolleyes: [/*]

I do. So far anyway. You want to roll some eyes at me too? :cool:

[court~critic1®]

Please for those of us that can not get video please, (with sugar on it), lets us know what is said. TIA!

I saved my 1000 post just for you. ;)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by cog1
Hi All,
Reading and catching up so iggy if this has been discussed.

Could CL been using his cell phone to text messages Xtina and her replying from the computer.

If she has continued paying the cell bill then as long as he was recieving a signal, he could text her.

JMT [/*]
Good afternoon :seeya: I too wondered about what he was using to communicate with Mrs. CL after I'd read he was sleeping in fields and eating berries and avocados, not that I believe all of his story. He'd be dirty and so would his clothes if that were the case, and after 3 mo. his hair/beard would be longer, imo.

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I do. So far anyway. You want to roll some eyes at me too? :cool: [/*]Wasn't she at Lowe's with him buying paint? Or was he with another guy. I forget. :o

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by court~critic1®
Please for those of us that can not get video please, (with sugar on it), lets us know what is said. TIA!

I saved my 1000 post just for you. ;) [/*]

:rose: Congratulations!

[jbellaj]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I do. So far anyway. You want to roll some eyes at me too? :cool: [/*]

No I don't

[Lynn Gweeny]

NBC17 is LIVE at the microphones waiting and doing their routine checks.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/home.html

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good afternoon :seeya: I too wondered about what he was using to communicate with Mrs. CL after I'd read he was sleeping in fields and eating berries and avocados, not that I believe all of his story. He'd be dirty and so would his clothes if that were the case, and after 3 mo. his hair/beard would be longer, imo. [/*]

Umm, he didn't say he had been sleeping in fields and eating berries and avocados for three months.