April 10th to 19

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?

do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?

CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things.

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You are wrong about this, as usual. She does not have to be divorced to get assistance.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


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The smearing of character that I have seen has mostly been directed towards Christine, when there is no evidence that she is involved in his disappearance. [/*]

LOL. Christine is doing a fine job showing her character all by herself. Nicholas, on the other hand, is not here.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Where is the evidence that he might have left on his own??

Oh yeah that big huge amount of money that he withdrew from the ATM.

I thought I read in that email from LE that there was no evidence either way. [/*]

You are correct in that LE said there is no evidence either way, however, there are some things which to me, anyway, point in that direction. JMO IMO

1) secret bank account(s)

2) very possible he deliberately turned his phone off the evening that he left and told his wife that it was dead so she wouldn't try to contact him (where was he going?)

3) LE confirms he has a "secret life" of some kind

There are probably more things I'm not thinking of right now, these things don't prove that he did leave on his own, but they do tend to show he was involved in some things that Christine wasn't aware of, and what is especially suspicious is that he may have been involved in that activity on the evening that he disappeared.

Maybe we could add even as for indirect evidence

4) Christine files for divorce. Who knows its possible that her lawyers advised her to file for divorce because she now thinks he did walk.

I believe even LE said the "secret life" was making them lean a bit more towards the theory that he walked.

IMO JMO

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie



You are wrong about this, as usual. She does not have to be divorced to get assistance. [/*]

as usual? 1st, who on this board has been right? and you feel obligated to state that I am wrong as USUAL because?



there was only one person that actually did provide support that people can get assistance and still be married so I guess you can but someone just stated that the benefits are different if divorced and then there is always Harlett's post but most people like to just gloss over it.



Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You are absolutely correct in your thinking... Christine has filed for a divorce. There are many reasons for doing this, it was necessary for legal reasons. [/*]

[greeneyez78]

I will tell ya what happened to the "Good Guy", IMO His wife spoke and all the followers, men bashers, the ones who have been done wrong by men......just agreed and followed her lead.

This whole thing has been strange from get go, starting with people taking shifts to keep the thread for money over there up at the top of the board.......

Instead of taking shifts for a tip line, or shifts for collecting money to go towards searches only.


JMO---

So don't wait at all for the love of your life, your amazing spouse, the amazing father to your children...........just put an ad in the paper and even though they might be in the woods, water, buried, sick, amnesia......go ahead and divorce them..........

Not insensitive at all........:no: :cuss:

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie



You are wrong about this, as usual. She does not have to be divorced to get assistance. [/*]

Exactly.


Christine's every action is suspect and weird IMO.

The bottom line is that she keeps begging for help to find her husband, that she has said over and over, is a good husband and father. However, at the same time, she removes all pictures of Nicholas from the internet, moves from Nicholas' home and files for divorce all within two months of Nick being gone.

IMO Nick didn't have a "secret life". Christine made it up to make him look like the bad guy.

I hope Nicholas is safe and happy somewhere.

edited to say that if Christine was a male and Nicholas was the wife all hell would be put upon Christine.

[decor]

If you do not feel that CF had a hand in NF's disappearance then the way she acts does not matter because she is allowed to act any way that she wants just like you are allowed to act anyway you want.

[decor]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Exactly.


Christine's every action is suspect and weird IMO.

The bottom line is that she keeps begging for help to find her husband, that she has said over and over, is a good husband and father. However, at the same time, she removes all pictures of Nicholas from the internet, moves from Nicholas' home and files for divorce all within two months of Nick being gone.

IMO Nick didn't have a "secret life". Christine made it up to make him look like the bad guy.

I hope Nicholas is safe and happy somewhere.

edited to say that if Christine was a male and Nicholas was the wife all hell would be put upon Christine. [/*]

so if NF deserted his wife and kids and left Christine right after she got pregnant and left them to fend for themselves, you hope that NF is happy and safe somewhere?????????

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor
If you do not feel that CF had a hand in NF's disappearance then the way she acts does not matter because she is allowed to act any way that she wants just like you are allowed to act anyway you want. [/*]:confused:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Exactly.


Christine's every action is suspect and weird IMO.

The bottom line is that she keeps begging for help to find her husband, that she has said over and over, is a good husband and father. However, at the same time, she removes all pictures of Nicholas from the internet, moves from Nicholas' home and files for divorce all within two months of Nick being gone.

IMO Nick didn't have a "secret life". Christine made it up to make him look like the bad guy.

I hope Nicholas is safe and happy somewhere.

edited to say that if Christine was a male and Nicholas was the wife all hell would be put upon Christine. [/*]

That's so true Shelby if it was the other way around.

Nicholas is good looking, a loving dad, hard worker, a caring husband. All of these awesome qualities about him were said over and over again by his family, coworkers and friends.

There was not one bad thing said about him. Not one.

I love his smile! :)

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


so if NF deserted his wife and kids and left Christine right after she got pregnant and left them to fend for themselves, you hope that NF is happy and safe somewhere????????? [/*]

I sure do. This is about a missing human being named Nicholas Francisco.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1
:confused: [/*]

OK thought it was just me. :lol:

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


LOL. Christine is doing a fine job showing her character all by herself. Nicholas, on the other hand, is not here. [/*]

Do you know Christine intimately? It's surprising that you are so assured of her *character*, unless you know her intimately, I really don't think you can know that.

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor
If you do not feel that CF had a hand in NF's disappearance then the way she acts does not matter because she is allowed to act any way that she wants just like you are allowed to act anyway you want. [/*]

I don't think she was involved, but I do think she knows the why.

jmo

[greeneyez78]

Well I am sure that if he has been mugged, or had some sort of awful accident, then I am very sure he would be so sorry for screwing his family that way....of course it would be the poor wife then too and not poor him.....which IMO it has never been about Nicholas.

[Miss Behavin]

When a person disappears and media reports about it; it becomes public. Add to that a distraught family member pleading with the public for help - it becomes national news.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I happen to think stories like that tug at most citizens' heartstrings. People have compassion; they want to help.

And, it's unfortunate, but a fact in our society that the spouse is usually the first suspect.

When a spouse starts saying and doing things that conflict with what people consider to be "normal behavior" - the red flags start going off.... and regrettably, some innocent people are convicted of crimes because of suspicious behavior.
:shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor




of course there isn't any proof. I was asking shelby if she thought it was okay to do what he did to his family if he deserted them. then I was asking if she felt it was okay as long as he was happy and safe if he deserted them.

don't turn this around to what you want this to be. [/*]

I'm still waiting on the answer to the question I asked you rather than a declaration.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Well I am sure that if he has been mugged, or had some sort of awful accident, then I am very sure he would be so sorry for screwing his family that way....of course it would be the poor wife then too and not poor him.....which IMO it has never been about Nicholas. [/*]

Yeah no kidding Greeneyez - if he is dead, I'm sure he is sorry that he screwed over his family @@.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm still waiting on the answer to the question I asked you rather than a declaration. [/*]

I would say may he rest in peace. then I would want to know what he done to get himself into that position.

I, like others here, shifted back and forth to he left, he was harmed, etc.
I have come to the conclusion that he deserted them.

Either way CF and her kids are alone, without him. Because she does not do what the people on this board want/expect her to do they have judged her, criticized etc. (not going to rehash this again since it doesn't seem to do any good anyway)

If he is dead, then he is at peace and CF's hel* has just started. If he is alive CF's hel* has just started. Either way CF loses. NF is either dead and at peace or off living the life that he wants for himself.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
When a person disappears and media reports about it; it becomes public. Add to that a distraught family member pleading with the public for help - it becomes national news.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I happen to think stories like that tug at most citizens' heartstrings. People have compassion; they want to help.

And, it's unfortunate, but a fact in our society that the spouse is usually the first suspect.

When a spouse starts saying and doing things that conflict with what people consider to be "normal behavior" - the red flags start going off.... and regrettably, some innocent people are convicted of crimes because of suspicious behavior.
:shrug: [/*]

Do you have a particular missing person case where a spouse or a family member was innocent and wrongly convicted based on suspicious behaviour? TIA!

[desmom]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:seeya:

I guess I can see the filing for a divorce in case Nicholas comes back to take the children

...But IMO if he walked away....that would not be a problem.

However, IF Nicholas is found dead, the wife will not be able to draw widows' benefits from SS. Right?

Only if they are married...I think...Please correct me if I'm wrong..

Wouldn't that be shooting herself in the foot?

I have to wonder if SS is assisting the kids (from Nicholas' acct) with support... [/*]

She would be eligible because their children are under the age of 16 according to http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10084.html

jmo

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by n/t


That's so true Shelby if it was the other way around.

Nicholas is good looking, a loving dad, hard worker, a caring husband. All of these awesome qualities about him were said over and over again by his family, coworkers and friends.

There was not one bad thing said about him. Not one.

I love his smile! :) [/*]

This is all so true. It wasn't until more than a month after his disappearance that anything negative whatsoever was said about him by anyone who *knows* him or is *investigating* him. What has been said by LE publicly has not been that negative -- only that he had some secrets from his wife, which could have been as innocuous as a PayPal account that she didn't know about. Everything else has only been reported secondhand based on things his wife said to LE and to the people she is "working with" to "find" him.

[Miss Behavin]

The divorce ONLY makes sense to me if the wife knows for a FACT that he is alive and ran off.

[decor]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
When a person disappears and media reports about it; it becomes public. Add to that a distraught family member pleading with the public for help - it becomes national news.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I happen to think stories like that tug at most citizens' heartstrings. People have compassion; they want to help.

And, it's unfortunate, but a fact in our society that the spouse is usually the first suspect.

When a spouse starts saying and doing things that conflict with what people consider to be "normal behavior" - the red flags start going off.... and regrettably, some innocent people are convicted of crimes because of suspicious behavior.
:shrug: [/*]


this is so true.
there was a woman released from jail today after serving 2 years for being convicted of killing her husband. He actually died of a heart attack.

but with the insurance money she got breast implants and slept with his friends after he died. She said she wanted to be close to him and that was why she slept with his friends. I know this can be true as some people react like this even though a lot think there is something wrong with a person that would do that.

It is oh so easy to judge when you have nothing on the line.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Nicholas is missing without a trace.

First and foremost is finding him and making sure he's safe. [/*]

Don't you agree, Decor?

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm still waiting on the answer to the question I asked you rather than a declaration. [/*]

I thought she replied. Is this the post you were looking for. This is what she posted:

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Registered: Feb 2008
Location: pa
Posts: 526

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I will say he sure pulled the wool over my eyes...what will you say when they fish his body out of a lake? [/*]
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sorry. I missed this post.

I won't have to say anything because I am sure they will not be pulling his body from anywhere.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
When a person disappears and media reports about it; it becomes public. Add to that a distraught family member pleading with the public for help - it becomes national news.

Maybe I'm just being naive, but I happen to think stories like that tug at most citizens' heartstrings. People have compassion; they want to help.

And, it's unfortunate, but a fact in our society that the spouse is usually the first suspect.

When a spouse starts saying and doing things that conflict with what people consider to be "normal behavior" - the red flags start going off.... and regrettably, some innocent people are convicted of crimes because of suspicious behavior.
:shrug: [/*]

I know and that is what is really sad. Often the most dangerous criminals are manipulators who are very good liars and nobody has a clue, they appear to be the pillar of the community until the bodies in the backyard are unearthed.

Of course then there are those that just don't have much social sense, and never will.

More needs to be understood about psychology so innocent people aren't condemned if their behavior is a little different. If more was understood about psychology there would be better explanations for "strange" behavior.

It was several hundred years ago that innocent people where killed as witches. Haven't we evolved somewhat since then???

:confused:

IMO

[decor]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Don't you agree, Decor? [/*]

first and foremost? no, I think they are all equally important. His kids, his wife, his family and him.
after all this time if he was harmed then I still think they are all equally important as I said earlier, if he is dead then he is at peace and it is the others that need to go on.

[n/t]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


This is all so true. It wasn't until more than a month after his disappearance that anything negative whatsoever was said about him by anyone who *knows* him or is *investigating* him. What has been said by LE publicly has not been that negative -- only that he had some secrets from his wife, which could have been as innocuous as a PayPal account that she didn't know about. Everything else has only been reported secondhand based on things his wife said to LE and to the people she is "working with" to "find" him. [/*]

You just opened my eyes TTT. You are so right. Everything I've read from people close to him has been all positive and all the negative stuff has been secondhand. Everything I've read from news articles and statements made by his friends and coworkers only reinforce what a great guy he is, a guy who would go straight home from work to be with his family and loved his children dearly. A guy who was so excited about the pregnancy.

Gosh, he sounds like a gem. I'm sure many women wish they had a husband like Nicholas. I know I would.:rose:

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by n/t


Do you have a particular missing person case where a spouse or a family member was innocent and wrongly convicted based on suspicious behaviour? TIA! [/*]

Not a specific missing person case, no.

Just making generalizations about suspicious behavior causing people to be convicted of crimes. That same suspicious behavior causing the public to question motives, innocence, etc...

Maybe I should have made my point a little clearer. Sorry!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Not a specific missing person case, no.

Just making generalizations about suspicious behavior causing people to be convicted of crimes. That same suspicious behavior causing the public to question motives, innocence, etc...

Maybe I should have made my point a little clearer. Sorry! [/*]

OK got it. Thanks for clarifying. :)

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


first and foremost? no, I think they are all equally important. His kids, his wife, his family and him.
after all this time if he was harmed then I still think they are all equally important as I said earlier, if he is dead then he is at peace and it is the others that need to go on. [/*]

Of course his wife and kids are important, but they aren't missing!

This is about finding Nicholas.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


You just opened my eyes TTT. You are so right. Everything I've read from people close to him has been all positive and all the negative stuff has been secondhand. Everything I've read from news articles and statements made by his friends and coworkers only reinforce what a great guy he is, a guy who would go straight home from work to be with his family and loved his children dearly. A guy who was so excited about the pregnancy.

Gosh, he sounds like a gem. I'm sure many women wish they had a husband like Nicholas. I know I would.:rose: [/*]

Since Christine feels she no longer wants this wonderful, talented and loving man and has divorced him, ladies line up and take a number. When he is found, he will make someone a wonderful and loving husband. If I wasn't already married .......

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Of course his wife and kids are important, but they aren't missing!

This is about finding Nicholas. [/*]

Thanks for this post Shelby. Now that's a FACT and reality. Nicholas is the one missing. He's the one who may need help. He's the one who may be in danger. He's the one who may be laying dead in a field or in water.

I hope like you that he is alive and happy somewhere. :rose:

[decor]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Of course his wife and kids are important, but they aren't missing!

This is about finding Nicholas. [/*]

then why has the focus been on what Christine posted about divorce?

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Since Christine feels she no longer wants this wonderful, talented and loving man and has divorced him, ladies line up and take a number. When he is found, he will make someone a wonderful and loving husband. If I wasn't already married ....... [/*]

this is an excellent point.

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor


then why has the focus been on what Christine posted about divorce? [/*]

IMO, because I think this is the first time crime followers have ever seen someone divorce a missing person that has been in the national headlines.

I think we are kind of :eek: about it.

jmo

[desmom]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


Thanks! [/*]

:seeya: YW!

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by decor


then why has the focus been on what Christine posted about divorce? [/*]

I can only speak for myself, decor.

I was in absolute SHOCK to hear she filed for divorce. Honestly, I was. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

The ONLY way I can reconcile this in my mind is if she knows for a FACT he is alive. That is the only way it makes any sense to me.

I don't think I have ever bashed the wife. I have questioned her suspicious behavior because it is not "normal behavior" IMO under the circumstances.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


then why has the focus been on what Christine posted about divorce? [/*]

IMO because she's been begging for help to find him and then within just over two months has filed for divorce.

Her actions speak louder than words.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Since Christine feels she no longer wants this wonderful, talented and loving man and has divorced him, ladies line up and take a number. When he is found, he will make someone a wonderful and loving husband. If I wasn't already married ....... [/*]

I just pulled up his missing flyer again. The guy doesn't smoke, he's never seen drunk, the only habit he has is leaving toast in the toaster. He has no criminal record that we know of and whatever secret life was totally legal. :rose:

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com

[inv]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You are absolutely correct in your thinking... Christine has filed for a divorce. There are many reasons for doing this, it was necessary for legal reasons. [/*]

IN MY OPINION

I think it is very distasteful for the wife of a missing man to be posting that she is DIVORCED (even when she really is NOT) on a myspace account for everyone to see. What was the purpose of changing her status on that profile? How could this be for legal reasons? Can you answer that? How is changing her Myspace to reflect she is divorced (even though she isn't) going to help her legally?

Excuse me, I have to go release my dinner into the nearest waste receptacle....

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by desmom


IMO, because I think this is the first time crime followers have ever seen someone divorce a missing person that has been in the national headlines.

I think we are kind of :eek: about it.

jmo [/*]

:eek: is right!

:confused: is right!

[inv]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I hate to disagree n/t but I think that abandonment of your children is taken very seriously and for a 2 and a 4 year old.. 2 months has to seem like an eternity. I really don't see how a year would be any different than 2 months. If he is okay and did that to him then... no, IMO he doesn't have any rights to his children... but he still needs to provide financially for them whether he likes it or not. [/*]

I am going to have to stop reading here until my stomach settles.

[Hedda Lettis]

If a married woman went missing, and two months later, her husband went on myspace or whatever site and changed his status to "Divorced," what would people be saying about him?

#1, he likely would be considered to be lying about being divorced that quickly; and

#2, it would be suspected that he was casting about for dates or for a replacement for the missing wife.

If a married man went missing, and two months later, his wife . . . .


This is IMO, because I've been reading posts on forums for quite a while.

[decor]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


I can only speak for myself, decor.

I was in absolute SHOCK to hear she filed for divorce. Honestly, I was. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

The ONLY way I can reconcile this in my mind is if she knows for a FACT he is alive. That is the only way it makes any sense to me.

I don't think I have ever bashed the wife. I have questioned her suspicious behavior because it is not "normal behavior" IMO under the circumstances. [/*]




Originally posted by desmom


IMO, because I think this is the first time crime followers have ever seen someone divorce a missing person that has been in the national headlines.

I think we are kind of :eek: about it.

jmo [/*]





again....this is because none of us here are privy to the info that CF might have. so trying to judge a person when no one here has any facts is fruitless.

Harlett said one of the reasons is because of legal things. why isn't this good enough for the posters here? If she needed to do it for her kids or whatever, then what is the problem?

most everything doesn't make sense to most people because everyone here has extremely minimal facts. If everything comes out in the end maybe people will understand then and maybe not. And maybe nothing will ever come out.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by inv


IN MY OPINION

I think it is very distasteful for the wife of a missing man to be posting that she is DIVORCED (even when she really is NOT) on a myspace account for everyone to see. What was the purpose of changing her status on that profile? How could this be for legal reasons? Can you answer that? How is changing her Myspace to reflect she is divorced (even though she isn't) going to help her legally?

Excuse me, I have to go release my dinner into the nearest waste receptacle.... [/*]

Before you lose your meal, do you not remember the "secret life" that LE *confirmed* that Nicholas had? It's something that she didn't know about and according to Harletohara has taken everything away from Christine and the children... (sorry don't have a link, it's from the HFTM site)

Can you not even acknowledge that it's possible that Christine could have some justified anger at Nicholas, that developed after she found this out??

Isn't it distasteful to have a secret life that takes everything away from your wife and kids when they find out?


IMO JMO

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis
If a married woman went missing, and two months later, her husband went on myspace or whatever site and changed his status to "Divorced," what would people be saying about him?

#1, he likely would be considered to be lying about being divorced that quickly; and

#2, it would be suspected that he was casting about for dates or for a replacement for the missing wife.

If a married man went missing, and two months later, his wife . . . .


This is IMO, because I've been reading posts on forums for quite a while. [/*]

The double standard is amazing, isn't it?

[n/t]

I decided to go back to the beginning. Nicholas and Christine spoke at 6 pm the evening he disappeared. This is confirmed by Christine on thefrancisco blog. We assume that's when she told him to stop at Costco to get sugar so at 6:13 he withdraws $50.00 and that's the last time anyone has seen or heard from him.

Folks, help me out here. Does this sound like someone who would just leave his family? This sounds like a man who was going to run the errand his wife asked him to do and head home to bake cookies with his daughter!

Did he decide on his way to Costco to just take off? There is no way anybody can convince me of that.

http://www.thefranciscos.com/

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Before you lose your meal, do you not remember the "secret life" that LE *confirmed* that Nicholas had? It's something that she didn't know about and according to Harletohara has taken everything away from Christine and the children... (sorry don't have a link, it's from the HFTM site)

Can you not even acknowledge that it's possible that Christine could have some justified anger at Nicholas, that developed after she found this out??

Isn't it distasteful to have a secret life that takes everything away from your wife and kids when they find out?


IMO JMO [/*]

First and foremost is locating Nicholas and making sure he's ok.

[decor]

why do people constantly compare CF to a male?

CF is not a male, females are not suspected like males are so why is it continuously brought up? It is fact that males do kill off their wives far more often than females kill off their husbands.

LE has no suspicion about her and no one here feels that she did anything. so why is always brought up?????????????

[abstr]

Originally posted by decor











again....this is because none of us here are privy to the info that CF might have. so trying to judge a person when no one here has any facts is fruitless.

Harlett said one of the reasons is because of legal things. why isn't this good enough for the posters here? If she needed to do it for her kids or whatever, then what is the problem?

most everything doesn't make sense to most people because everyone here has extremely minimal facts. If everything comes out in the end maybe people will understand then and maybe not. And maybe nothing will ever come out. [/*]
so, if you know something you aren't sharing with us....divorce him....but changing social site with no eplanations...seems silly and weird

ETA. my family is so close but if i were doing this...they'd freak

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t
I decided to go back to the beginning. Nicholas and Christine spoke at 6 pm the evening he disappeared. This is confirmed by Christine on thefrancisco blog. We assume that's when she told him to stop at Costco to get sugar so at 6:13 he withdraws $50.00 and that's the last time anyone has seen or heard from him.

Folks, help me out here. Does this sound like someone who would just leave his family? This sounds like a man who was going to run the errand his wife asked him to do and head home to bake cookies with his daughter!

Did he decide on his way to Costco to just take off? There is no way anybody can convince me of that.

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Definitely not.

And, to speak glowingly about Nicholas at first and then accuse him of having a "secret life"??? No proof of a second life has been found. On top of erasing him off the internet--no pictures on her MySpace or on their family blog www.thefranciscos.com.

To top it off, filing for divorce.

Nope.

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Before you lose your meal, do you not remember the "secret life" that LE *confirmed* that Nicholas had? It's something that she didn't know about and according to Harletohara has taken everything away from Christine and the children... (sorry don't have a link, it's from the HFTM site)

Can you not even acknowledge that it's possible that Christine could have some justified anger at Nicholas, that developed after she found this out??

Isn't it distasteful to have a secret life that takes everything away from your wife and kids when they find out?


IMO JMO [/*]

The facts don't prove it. He withdrew $50.00 and that's it. Christine would've had access to the other accounts. The $50.00 was allegedly taken from a secret paypal account but that's all he took. $50.00.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor
why do people constantly compare CF to a male?

CF is not a male, females are not suspected like males are so why is it continuously brought up? It is fact that males do kill off their wives far more often than females kill off their husbands.

LE has no suspicion about her and no one here feels that she did anything. so why is always brought up????????????? [/*]

Fine.

If it makes you feel better then replace all references of gender with the word "human".

[inv]

Originally posted by n/t
I decided to go back to the beginning. Nicholas and Christine spoke at 6 pm the evening he disappeared. This is confirmed by Christine on thefrancisco blog. We assume that's when she told him to stop at Costco to get sugar so at 6:13 he withdraws $50.00 and that's the last time anyone has seen or heard from him.

Folks, help me out here. Does this sound like someone who would just leave his family? This sounds like a man who was going to run the errand his wife asked him to do and head home to bake cookies with his daughter!

Did he decide on his way to Costco to just take off? There is no way anybody can convince me of that.

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

This is totally my view. Where is the proof that Nick was behaving any differently than any other normal day?

I don't know how people can bring up the 'secret life' thing without revealing what that means. It could be anything and without revealing the nature of it, IMO it has no bearing.

[decor]

Originally posted by abstr

so, if you know something you aren't sharing with us....divorce him....but changing social site with no eplanations...seems silly and weird [/*]

I highly doubt that Christine posts those things for the benefit of the posters that continuously tear her apart. I am sure she has friends and shares this with them. She probably makes it public HOPING that the people on these boards are leaving her alone. She finds that they aren't so goes and makes them private again.

and she is entitled to change her social sites to anything she wants without informing anyone.
AND if people weren't so busy looking for flaws in CF they might actually see that she is letting them know what is going on.
by posting what she did, it let everyone know that she is proceeding with a divorce. Instead of taking that for face value people have to rip her apart as to why she would do something so awful, so wrong, so cruel, etc.

I said this last month and will say it again. If I were her I would disappear from the sight of these boards so no would know what I was doing and I wouldn't share anything with anybody.

she did ask for help. the few people on these boards that have helped in some way are the ones NOT tearing her apart. again, she did ask for HELP to FIND Nick. she did not ask to be evaluated, criticized, ripped apart, or diagnosed.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by decor


again....this is because none of us here are privy to the info that CF might have. so trying to judge a person when no one here has any facts is fruitless.

Harlett said one of the reasons is because of legal things. why isn't this good enough for the posters here? If she needed to do it for her kids or whatever, then what is the problem?

most everything doesn't make sense to most people because everyone here has extremely minimal facts. If everything comes out in the end maybe people will understand then and maybe not. And maybe nothing will ever come out. [/*]

I really do hope it all comes out. If the wife would make a public statement and clarify things there would really be no further need for speculation, IMO.

She asked for the publics help and I don't think the public is going to stop trying to find Nicholas. So, until he is found; or she gives a statement saying he is alive and it is a private family matter now; or his body turns up she is going to have to deal with what she created. JMO

I think there is a big difference between questioning and judging.

[n/t]

Originally posted by inv


This is totally my view. Where is the proof that Nick was behaving any differently than any other normal day?

I don't know how people can bring up the 'secret life' thing without revealing what that means. It could be anything and without revealing the nature of it, IMO it has no bearing. [/*]

I agree. It has no bearing. Facts are facts and whatever else is secondhand, gossip, rumour or just vindictiveness. I think RKnowley from WS did a terrific job in separating facts from gossip and rumours.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by inv


IN MY OPINION


Excuse me, I have to go release my dinner into the nearest waste receptacle.... [/*]

(snipped)

Ughh..what a visual!

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


I highly doubt that Christine posts those things for the benefit of the posters that continuously tear her apart. I am sure she has friends and shares this with them. She probably makes it public HOPING that the people on these boards are leaving her alone. She finds that they aren't so goes and makes them private again.

and she is entitled to change her social sites to anything she wants without informing anyone.
AND if people weren't so busy looking for flaws in CF they might actually see that she is letting them know what is going on.
by posting what she did, it let everyone know that she is proceeding with a divorce. Instead of taking that for face value people have to rip her apart as to why she would do something so awful, so wrong, so cruel, etc.

I said this last month and will say it again. If I were her I would disappear from the sight of these boards so no would know what I was doing and I wouldn't share anything with anybody.

she did ask for help. the few people on these boards that have helped in some way are the ones NOT tearing her apart. again, she did ask for HELP to FIND Nick. she did not ask to be evaluated, criticized, ripped apart, or diagnosed. [/*]

So, if you take her on face value....

She asked for help "family emergency" help me find my husband.

Then a bunch of bible verses coupled with vague statements and now

Divorced


Bottom line is Nicholas is still missing and now she's divorcing the "family emergency".

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by n/t
I decided to go back to the beginning. Nicholas and Christine spoke at 6 pm the evening he disappeared. This is confirmed by Christine on thefrancisco blog. We assume that's when she told him to stop at Costco to get sugar so at 6:13 he withdraws $50.00 and that's the last time anyone has seen or heard from him.

Folks, help me out here. Does this sound like someone who would just leave his family? This sounds like a man who was going to run the errand his wife asked him to do and head home to bake cookies with his daughter!

Did he decide on his way to Costco to just take off? There is no way anybody can convince me of that.

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Connecting the dots, it sure sounds like he was just running the errand Christine asked him to!

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by n/t
I decided to go back to the beginning. Nicholas and Christine spoke at 6 pm the evening he disappeared. This is confirmed by Christine on thefrancisco blog. We assume that's when she told him to stop at Costco to get sugar so at 6:13 he withdraws $50.00 and that's the last time anyone has seen or heard from him.

Folks, help me out here. Does this sound like someone who would just leave his family? This sounds like a man who was going to run the errand his wife asked him to do and head home to bake cookies with his daughter!

Did he decide on his way to Costco to just take off? There is no way anybody can convince me of that.

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Hmmm I thought it was the cookie making that was suspect to so many people at the beginning, now it's being used an example of Nicholas's wonderfulness as a father and husband?

On to bigger and better things...
Here are some possible scenarios:

Nicholas went to get the sugar at Costco at noon that fateful day, so he had enough time to do a little something *different* after work, before he went home that evening.

He left work at a little past 6:00 and at 6:13 he withdrew $50 from a nearby ATM... and went on his way.....to:

1)Buy Christine a used piece of jewelry for Valentine's Day for $50 from someone he contacted on Craigslist, something went terribly wrong

2)Got out to take a picture by the river behind Costco, and slipped and fell, hitting his head, going under and drowned

3)Went for a little evening *delight* and something went wrong

4)Went for a little evening *delight* and decided to never go home (it was so good)

5)Was at the wrong place at the wrong time, encountered something sinister and paid with his life

6)Grew despondent and jumped in the river

7)Made his getaway which was long planned

Just some of the many possible scenarios that might have gone on, that fateful night.


IMO JMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


So, if you take her on face value....

She asked for help "family emergency" help me find my husband.

Then a bunch of bible verses coupled with vague statements and now

Divorced


Bottom line is Nicholas is still missing and now she's divorcing the "family emergency". [/*]

I wonder how people close to him will react to this news. What will his friends think? That's what makes it so sad. Will they give up on him? Will they think because the wife is divorcing him, he must've taken off when in fact there is nothing to prove that he did. Is that why there has been no mention of organized searches? What if it is foul play? IMO everything so far points to foul play.

[inv]

IMO, if Christine is divorced, as she changed her Myspace profile to reflect (of course, she really is not divorced), she has no reason to participate in the search for Nicholas any longer nor would anyone want her to participate. Not that she has or will anyway.

JMO

I guess now that she has taken more attention away from the search for Nick with her latest internet postings and public annoucements it is time for anyone and everyone who cares to step in and do whatever they can to help find him since even his own ex-wife is not looking.

I don't think any concerned party (of the missing Nicholas Francisco) should continue to follow what Christine has to say. It will take too much attention away from finding Nick and it will take longer to find him.

JMO

[Musterion]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


It's dishonest to insinuate that Nicholas was leading a secret life that was or could be dangerous or depraved or harmful.

There is absolutely no evidence that the so-called "secret life" could be dangerous to wife or children, and it has clearly been stated that it was not illegal.

It's dishonest to raise the spectre of nefarious goings-on, without evidence. It's defaming the name of someone who cannot speak for himself (for whatever reason) and cannot defend himself. It's shameful. [/*]

SE,

Your passion and outspokenness are commendable.

Thank you for helping me to view my post through your eyes.

My intent was not and is not to paint Nicholas in any bad light. I do not believe that I was doing that.

I, also, hope that the criteria you are placing on me you will remember for yourself in the future concerning others who can't or fear speaking for themselves because of being misunderstood. Please remember the words dishonest, defaming and insinuating.

Respectfully,
Musterion

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by n/t


I wonder how people close to him will react to this news. What will his friends think? That's what makes it so sad. Will they give up on him? Will they think because the wife is divorcing him, he must've taken off when in fact there is nothing to prove that he did. Is that why there has been no mention of organized searches? What if it is foul play? IMO everything so far points to foul play. [/*]

Well, what about the cell phone?

Allegedly, he told the wife and co-workers the battery was dead. Then we find out that he received a phone call.

I don't know what to make of that either.

[n/t]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Hmmm I thought it was the cookie making that was suspect to so many people at the beginning, now it's being used an example of Nicholas's wonderfulness as a father and husband?

On to bigger and better things...
Here are some possible scenarios:

Nicholas went to get the sugar at Costco at noon that fateful day, so he had enough time to do a little something *different* after work, before he went home that evening.

He left work at a little past 6:00 and at 6:13 he withdrew $50 from a nearby ATM... and went on his way.....to:

1)Buy Christine a used piece of jewelry for Valentine's Day for $50 from someone he contacted on Craigslist, something went terribly wrong

2)Got out to take a picture by the river behind Costco, and slipped and fell, hitting his head, going under and drowned

3)Went for a little evening *delight* and something went wrong

4)Went for a little evening *delight* and decided to never go home (it was so good)

5)Was at the wrong place at the wrong time, encountered something sinister and paid with his life

6)Grew despondent and jumped in the river

7)Made his getaway which was long planned

Just some of the many possible scenarios that might have gone on, that fateful night.


IMO JMO [/*]

There is no proof of any of the scenarios you mentioned. None. The only facts we have are he withdrew $50.00 and his car was found 5 days later. That's it.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


I wonder how people close to him will react to this news. What will his friends think? That's what makes it so sad. Will they give up on him? Will they think because the wife is divorcing him, he must've taken off when in fact there is nothing to prove that he did. Is that why there has been no mention of organized searches? What if it is foul play? IMO everything so far points to foul play. [/*]

I agree.

I really kept leaning towards the theory that he walked, but, I've changed my mind. I keep going back to all of the positive things said about him. Christine said he would never leave them. He sounds like the perfect husband and father.

For Christine to move so soon and now to file for divorce....really sends up flags. Why speak so well of Nick and then do what she's doing????

[n/t]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Well, what about the cell phone?

Allegedly, he told the wife and co-workers the battery was dead. Then we find out that he received a phone call.

I don't know what to make of that either. [/*]

Was that confirmed by LE? I can't remember. Was it an incoming or outgoing call?

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by decor


I highly doubt that Christine posts those things for the benefit of the posters that continuously tear her apart. I am sure she has friends and shares this with them. She probably makes it public HOPING that the people on these boards are leaving her alone. She finds that they aren't so goes and makes them private again.

and she is entitled to change her social sites to anything she wants without informing anyone.
AND if people weren't so busy looking for flaws in CF they might actually see that she is letting them know what is going on.
by posting what she did, it let everyone know that she is proceeding with a divorce. Instead of taking that for face value people have to rip her apart as to why she would do something so awful, so wrong, so cruel, etc.

I said this last month and will say it again. If I were her I would disappear from the sight of these boards so no would know what I was doing and I wouldn't share anything with anybody.

she did ask for help. the few people on these boards that have helped in some way are the ones NOT tearing her apart. again, she did ask for HELP to FIND Nick. she did not ask to be evaluated, criticized, ripped apart, or diagnosed. [/*]

Very good post decor! Who knows maybe Christine did put *divorced* on her blog and left it public for a short time, and it was her way of letting people know what was going on?

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


There is no proof of any of the scenarios you mentioned. None. The only facts we have are he withdrew $50.00 and his car was found 5 days later. That's it. [/*]

and the FACT that he had a secret life as stated by LE but no one knows what that was.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by n/t


Was that confirmed by LE? I can't remember. Was it an incoming or outgoing call? [/*]

IIRC, it was verifed by Harlett. I don't remember if it was incoming or outgoing. That info should still be posted on that forum.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562

[inv]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Well, what about the cell phone?

Allegedly, he told the wife and co-workers the battery was dead. Then we find out that he received a phone call.

I don't know what to make of that either. [/*]

The cell phone issue could be explained a thousand ways. The battery had just enough juice that it would power up for several seconds and a voicemail alert was downloded, the battery was never actually 'dead' but had very little power, etc.

Why is this even an issue? Who was the last call from? Christine? A secret lover? His boss? A bill collector? A wrong number? We don't know so imo it's not relevant.

[decor]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Very good post decor! Who knows maybe Christine did put *divorced* on her blog and left it public for a short time, and it was her way of letting people know what was going on? [/*]

I truly think that sometimes Christine wants to let people know what is going on and then posts something feeling that she is sharing and helping others to help her but then gets torn apart for it so she becomes quiet again so everyone thinks something else is going on.

My question is instead of saying all of these things about CF divorcing him why hasn't anyone said, okay, there must be a reason. what would a reason be for her to divorce him. to me that is actually trying to solve a mystery. tearing apart someones words accomplishes nothing.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


and the FACT that he had a secret life as stated by LE but no one knows what that was. [/*]

Right. Nobody knows what is meant by secret life.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by decor


and the FACT that he had a secret life as stated by LE but no one knows what that was. [/*]

And he had said that his cell phone battery was dead, but it was discovered that he had received a phone call in the late afternoon.... Sorry no links here, but this is very suspicious behavior that tends to make one think he had something planned that night, and didn't want to have to answer his phone...

IMO, JMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


I truly think that sometimes Christine wants to let people know what is going on and then posts something feeling that she is sharing and helping others to help her but then gets torn apart for it so she becomes quiet again so everyone thinks something else is going on.

My question is instead of saying all of these things about CF divorcing him why hasn't anyone said, okay, there must be a reason. what would a reason be for her to divorce him. to me that is actually trying to solve a mystery. tearing apart someones words accomplishes nothing. [/*]

Again, she's not the one missing. It's not about helping Christine, it's about helping find the missing. This is about helping find Nicholas.

She even posted that herself. HELP FIND MY HUSBAND!

[Silver_Dove]

I wasn't going to post but I want to know what would happen if Christine posted that why she is getting a divorce? Would anyone believe her or would they just say he was smearing his name?

What if she told what the secret life was? Would people believe her or just say she was trying to air dirty laundry?

Or would everyone just say she was lying for some reason.

I'm afraid no matter what Christine does at this point she is going to be seen as doing the wrong thing and every little bit of it dissected by people who could do it better.

Also I'm beginning to believe those who said they believed the pm I got was from the LE. After rereading it I believe even more that he left on his own because of what the LE said to me.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by decor


I truly think that sometimes Christine wants to let people know what is going on and then posts something feeling that she is sharing and helping others to help her but then gets torn apart for it so she becomes quiet again so everyone thinks something else is going on.

My question is instead of saying all of these things about CF divorcing him why hasn't anyone said, okay, there must be a reason. what would a reason be for her to divorce him. to me that is actually trying to solve a mystery. tearing apart someones words accomplishes nothing. [/*]

Exactly. :seeya:

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Again, she's not the one missing. It's not about helping Christine, it's about helping find the missing. This is about helping find Nicholas.

She even posted that herself. HELP FIND MY HUSBAND! [/*]

sometimes it is hard to have to explain every word.

she posts so people know what is going on. in this way they can help her FIND nick. but people are too busy picking at words instead of trying to solve the reason OF the post

[decor]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I wasn't going to post but I want to know what would happen if Christine posted that why she is getting a divorce? Would anyone believe her or would they just say he was smearing his name?

What if she told what the secret life was? Would people believe her or just say she was trying to air dirty laundry?

Or would everyone just say she was lying for some reason.

I'm afraid no matter what Christine does at this point she is going to be seen as doing the wrong thing and every little bit of it dissected by people who could do it better.

Also I'm beginning to believe those who said they believed the pm I got was from the LE. After rereading it I believe even more that he left on his own because of what the LE said to me. [/*]

if it does not fit into their already prejudged assessment of what is going on then they wouldn't believe it. :(

[Musterion]

Originally posted by inv


This is totally my view. Where is the proof that Nick was behaving any differently than any other normal day?

I don't know how people can bring up the 'secret life' thing without revealing what that means. It could be anything and without revealing the nature of it, IMO it has no bearing. [/*]

inv,

Le said they discovered a secret life.

If that secret was something unimportant why would they not have released what the secret was?

If that secret was something as innocent as a paypal account (which is not the secret because LE mentioned that as well) or a nice little hobby, why would LE and/or CF not make that public knowledge? JMO.

[n/t]

Nick, hope you're safe and happy. I pray one day we will see your beautiful smile and get to hear your side. Remember you have many many people still praying for you and giving you a voice.
:rose:

[Carol25]

Just another thought, going back to that church. I thought the church was a little strange.. . Meaning that all decisions will be made without the members.
By all accounts NF was avery good person and seemed to be very moral. What if some of his "secret associates" were members of a more stringent environment, one that some of may even call a cult.
Taking only $50.00 and nothing else could indicate he was going to live somewhere he was going to live a less materialistic life. And the fact that he made a point of leaving the church first would fit into tis scenario so he would have left with all other religious ties cut first.
Perhaps he had talked with Christine and encouraged all of them to enter some other form of life and she disagreed. When he didn't come home that one night, she had a suspicion what had happened and hoped police would stop him and bring him back so she could convince him what he was doing was wrong.

Just a thought. Could be way out there. But when someone posts and says they know who he "associates with now" it doesn't sound like it's just one person.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


And he had said that his cell phone battery was dead, but it was discovered that he had received a phone call in the late afternoon.... Sorry no links here, but this is very suspicious behavior that tends to make one think he had something planned that night, and didn't want to have to answer his phone...

IMO, JMO [/*]

Last call was at 4:47 p.m. http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=12

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


sometimes it is hard to have to explain every word.

she posts so people know what is going on. in this way they can help her FIND nick. but people are too busy picking at words instead of trying to solve the reason OF the post [/*]

How does posting DIVORCED on a social website like myspace help find Nicholas?

She doesn't even have his picture there for God's sakes!

Oh please.



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I wasn't going to post but I want to know what would happen if Christine posted that why she is getting a divorce? Would anyone believe her or would they just say he was smearing his name?

What if she told what the secret life was? Would people believe her or just say she was trying to air dirty laundry?

Or would everyone just say she was lying for some reason.

I'm afraid no matter what Christine does at this point she is going to be seen as doing the wrong thing and every little bit of it dissected by people who could do it better.

Also I'm beginning to believe those who said they believed the pm I got was from the LE. After rereading it I believe even more that he left on his own because of what the LE said to me. [/*]

Perhaps she should stay out of it and let LE and the public continue to search for Nicholas - (her x-husband). JMOO

[Nellie]

Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think?

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


sometimes it is hard to have to explain every word.

she posts so people know what is going on. in this way they can help her FIND nick. but people are too busy picking at words instead of trying to solve the reason OF the post [/*]

Changing your status from married to divorced is crystal clear IMO.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

:beer:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Danette44


Perhaps she should stay out of it and let LE and the public continue to search for Nicholas - (her x-husband). JMOO [/*]

:beer:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


sometimes it is hard to have to explain every word.

she posts so people know what is going on. in this way they can help her FIND nick. but people are too busy picking at words instead of trying to solve the reason OF the post [/*]

If you don't want to explain what "divorced" means....then don't post it. Is this one big game? Why post that on your myspace if you don't want people asking questions about it? Actually, I am not all that surprised by it....I expected it.....just like I expect a new marriage within the year. JMO

[figritout]

DITTO!

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

Great post Nellie!! :beer:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


If you don't want to explain what "divorced" means....then don't post it. Is this one big game? Why post that on your myspace if you don't want people asking questions about it? Actually, I am not all that surprised by it....I expected it.....just like I expect a new marriage within the year. JMO [/*]

You sure did.

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

and who keeps making it about the wife? if people don't like what she says or what she posts why do they keep bringing it up?

I am going to say that LE announced that they had found a secret life for Nick but would not elaborate. why not?

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Nellie


If you don't want to explain what "divorced" means....then don't post it. Is this one big game? Why post that on your myspace if you don't want people asking questions about it? Actually, I am not all that surprised by it....I expected it.....just like I expect a new marriage within the year. JMO [/*]

:eek:

That would be a lot of responsibility for another man... JMO

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


If you don't want to explain what "divorced" means....then don't post it. Is this one big game? Why post that on your myspace if you don't want people asking questions about it? Actually, I am not all that surprised by it....I expected it.....just like I expect a new marriage within the year. JMO [/*]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Changing your status from married to divorced is crystal clear IMO. [/*]


I give up. I can't make my posts any clearer for people to understand.

If I post something and then you quote me, then I quote you means I am responding to your post. It had nothing to do with the WORD DIVORCED

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


Perhaps she should stay out of it and let LE and the public continue to search for Nicholas - (her x-husband). JMOO [/*]

you're kidding right? half the people here don't she is doing anything so how can she stay out of it?

if she did step back what do you think would happen? let's see....my guess would be there would be more condescending posts about how CF isn't doing anything.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


you're kidding right? half the people here don't she is doing anything so how can she stay out of it?

if she did step back what do you think would happen? let's see....my guess would be there would be more condescending posts about how CF isn't doing anything. [/*]

Nope not from me. She's already filing for divorce. I think that says a lot about her. I thought moving out after only 6 weeks was a slap in the face to Nicholas but this, imo is total betrayal. It's so morally wrong.



:rose:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by n/t


Nope not from me. She's already filing for divorce. I think that says a lot about her. I thought moving out after only 6 weeks was a slap in the face to Nicholas but this, imo is total betrayal. It's so morally wrong.



:rose: [/*]

Since you don't know what the secret life is you really can't say if it is morally wrong can you?

[abstr]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Very good post decor! Who knows maybe Christine did put *divorced* on her blog and left it public for a short time, and it was her way of letting people know what was going on? [/*]
then say...this all is none of your business....u will make all my online presence hidden...nick ****ed up and i wa nt to protect my kids...* ut she seems to take advantage

[inv]

Originally posted by decor


you're kidding right? half the people here don't she is doing anything so how can she stay out of it?

if she did step back what do you think would happen? let's see....my guess would be there would be more condescending posts about how CF isn't doing anything. [/*]

How can she be doing anything when she is on Myspace and the internet 24/7? Who is watching her kids? Where does she take responsibilities for herself? Why is she taking the focus off Nick by being online posting every word in the Bible and changing her Myspace to say she is 'divorced'.

You want to know what I think. Probably not, but that's okay too. She probably has NOT filed for a divorce. How would Harlett know? She is taking CF's word for it? CF, IMO, is intentionally trying to take the focus off the search for Nicholas. This is evident. She is reading a private board and making almost immediate responses to what is said on that private board. What does this tell you????

Edited to Add:

She is probably reading this right now.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Nope not from me. She's already filing for divorce. I think that says a lot about her. I thought moving out after only 6 weeks was a slap in the face to Nicholas but this, imo is total betrayal. It's so morally wrong.



:rose: [/*]

I have to agree with Silver Dove....how can you say it is morally wrong when you don't even know why it is being done??? how can you judge without any facts????

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

Seems to me that the reason Christine is being discussed is because people spend far too much time gossiping about her, instead of trying to figure out what happened to Nicholas.

Do you think that Nicholas's *secret life* has no bearing on the case and shouldn't be discussed? If so I think you are mistaken.

The thing is, this is not the case of a husband with a wife missing moving out and filing for divorce. This is the case of a SAHM who has suddenly lost her husband, trying to take care of herself and her two small children. Don't you think she should do what is in her own and her children's best interest?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor





I give up. I can't make my posts any clearer for people to understand.

If I post something and then you quote me, then I quote you means I am responding to your post. It had nothing to do with the WORD DIVORCED [/*]

Christine has chosen to disconnect herself from Nicholas now - very sad to do to a missing person, but it has like Nellie stated been all about her - and now I think we can excuse her from this site and try and bring Nicholas home. I keep checking the papers to see if they had reported who that person they found dead friday night is. Praying it isn't Nicholas - but will be sad for another family who is missing a loved one.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


you're kidding right? half the people here don't she is doing anything so how can she stay out of it?

if she did step back what do you think would happen? let's see....my guess would be there would be more condescending posts about how CF isn't doing anything. [/*]

IMOO decor - she just showed her true colors by filing divorce papers on her missing HUSBAND! I for one could careless if we hear from her again - this site is for Nicholas - and I will be more than happy to put her on the back burner now. JMOO

[figritout]

Originally posted by inv


How can she be doing anything when she is on Myspace and the internet 24/7? Who is watching her kids? Where does she take responsibilities for herself? Why is she taking the focus off Nick by being online posting every word in the Bible and changing her Myspace to say she is 'divorced'.

You want to know what I think. Probably not, but that's okay too. She probably has NOT filed for a divorce. How would Harlett know? She is taking CF's word for it? CF, IMO, is intentionally trying to take the focus off the search for Nicholas. This is evident. She is reading a private board and making almost immediate responses to what is said on that private board. What does this tell you????

Edited to Add:

She is probably reading this right now. [/*]

Oh I am quite sure she is..

[Danette44]

Originally posted by inv


How can she be doing anything when she is on Myspace and the internet 24/7? Who is watching her kids? Where does she take responsibilities for herself? Why is she taking the focus off Nick by being online posting every word in the Bible and changing her Myspace to say she is 'divorced'.

You want to know what I think. Probably not, but that's okay too. She probably has NOT filed for a divorce. How would Harlett know? She is taking CF's word for it? CF, IMO, is intentionally trying to take the focus off the search for Nicholas. This is evident. She is reading a private board and making almost immediate responses to what is said on that private board. What does this tell you????

Edited to Add:

She is probably reading this right now. [/*]

Great post inv - :beer:

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why the he$$ would she even care to "tell others what is going on" on her myspace? Who do some of you think she's updating with this information? If that's what you're thinking, then tell us.....what is the update about? It's about HER! It's always about HER, imo! Where's the update about what is being done to find Nicholas? What about the missing man? Harlett still says he's a "missing man" but yet she focuses on helping the missing man's wife. So many want to help the wife and hang the "missing man" out to dry because he must have had some bad, bad secret life. Just spit it out! If this man had such a horrible secret life that would shed some light on why the focus is NOT on him as the victim and is on her as the victim instead....then just spit it out. I, for one, am sick of these games. Harett, I'm sorry and I mean no disrespect toward you. But the information you post is always "after the fact"...."after the fact that other board members have already discovered it". And I honestly don't understand why your attention is not on the missing, but on the wife. Maybe I just don't understand the purpose of your board, but it just seems that Nicholas is being portrayed as a "creep" on these boards because of "some secret life" that none of us know about (well one does, I guess). It just feels like such a big game. Nicholas may be that creep....but at this point he's a "missing creep" that may have met with foul play. Does anyone care about that?

I just check in from time to time to see if Nicholas has been found and see it's still all about his wife. If this was a wife missing and a husband moved out and file for divorce, what would you all think? [/*]

Excuse me, how do you know what I do and don't do.... You don't know where my focus is, just because I answered a question that was asked of me that means I am doing nothing to help find Nicholas.. I'll tell you what I'm not doing is sitting on a board and doing nothing but tearing people apart.. I am getting people to put out fliers, I am getting people out there asking questions of people living at and around the condos... I am doing other things that I'm not going to go in to here on the board. I am investing my time and money in trying to help find a missing person. I'm not here to make judgements of anyone involved in this whole thing. I know what it's like first hand to have someone go missing, I lost my daughter when she was 19 and the ending was not a happy one. So I will not judge Nicholas and I will not judge Christine, that's not my job. I am focused on helping Nicholas and his family...If that upsets some I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. So y'all can judge me all you want......

The purpose of my board is to help missing persons and their families.. it's not a place to bash and tear people apart. It's a place for families to go to seek help, information and support. I honestly hope that you'll never need our help, but it's there if you ever do. Then you may think differently about what we do.

As for the info I put out there being after the fact, I'm not going to put it out there so I can be ridiculed, bashed, called a liar as I have been. So I will just wait and confirm something if I know it to be true and will answer questions if I can.

ETA... I take that back.. I'm done answering any questionss....

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


IMOO decor - she just showed her true colors by filing divorce papers on her missing HUSBAND! I for one could careless if we hear from her again - this site is for Nicholas - and I will be more than happy to put her on the back burner now. JMOO [/*]

what would those colors be? you know all of the facts? you are able to judge this based on everything CF knows and LE knows?
are you not sharing with the rest of the people on this board?

[decor]

Originally posted by inv


How can she be doing anything when she is on Myspace and the internet 24/7? Who is watching her kids? Where does she take responsibilities for herself? Why is she taking the focus off Nick by being online posting every word in the Bible and changing her Myspace to say she is 'divorced'.

You want to know what I think. Probably not, but that's okay too. She probably has NOT filed for a divorce. How would Harlett know? She is taking CF's word for it? CF, IMO, is intentionally trying to take the focus off the search for Nicholas. This is evident. She is reading a private board and making almost immediate responses to what is said on that private board. What does this tell you????

Edited to Add:

She is probably reading this right now. [/*]

you do know that real reporters are non judgmental and do not take sides don't you? how can they base the truth if they are partial to one side or the other?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


what would those colors be? you know all of the facts? you are able to judge this based on everything CF knows and LE knows?
are you not sharing with the rest of the people on this board? [/*]

Excuse me decor - did I not use ........IMOO......thank you very much......:D

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Excuse me, how do you know what I do and don't do.... You don't know where my focus is, just because I answered a question that was asked of me that means I am doing nothing to help find Nicholas.. I'll tell you what I'm not doing is sitting on a board and doing nothing but tearing people apart.. I am getting people to put out fliers, I am getting people out there asking questions of people living at and around the condos... I am doing other things that I'm not going to go in to here on the board. I am investing my time and money in trying to help find a missing person. I'm not here to make judgements of anyone involved in this whole thing. I know what it's like first hand to have someone go missing, I lost my daughter when she was 19 and the ending was not a happy one. So I will not judge Nicholas and I will not judge Christine, that's not my job. I am focused on helping Nicholas and his family...If that upsets some I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. So y'all can judge me all you want......

The purpose of my board is to help missing persons and their families.. it's not a place to bash and tear people apart. It's a place for families to go to seek help, information and support. I honestly hope that you'll never need our help, but it's there if you ever do. Then you may think differently about what we do.

As for the info I put out there being after the fact, I'm not going to put it out there so I can be ridiculed, bashed, called a liar as I have been. So I will just wait and confirm something if I know it to be true and will answer questions if I can.

ETA... I take that back.. I'm done answering any questionss.... [/*]


Thank you for everything you do to help people, and for caring.

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


Excuse me decor - did I not use ........IMOO......thank you very much......:D [/*]

yes, you did use IMOO and I am asking is that opinion based on facts? since you know what are her true colors?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by SlickLime


Is CF's word all we have for the call about picking up sugar? Is there any other confirmation of this call?

Why withdraw $50 from the ATM, if he's going to Costco, when he could get cash back at the register? IOW.... why make 2 stops, when one would do? [/*]

Maybe he never planned to pick up the sugar because he had something else to do. :eek:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


yes, you did use IMOO and I am asking is that opinion based on facts? since you know what are her true colors? [/*]

How can that be based on facts when I clearly put IMOO? Oh brother - are you for real?? Get over it decor - we all have our own opinions and thats exactly what I posted.......an OPINION.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Maybe he never planned to pick up the sugar because he had something else to do. :eek: [/*]

Someone mentioned on another board that maybe he had gone out at lunch and gotten the sugar, so that he would have a little free time that night before he went home... I thought that was a great idea, and entirely possible...

[late4dinner]

he may have needed gas on the way to Cosco
JMO

[decor]

zen and late

good points

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


How can that be based on facts when I clearly put IMOO? Oh brother - are you for real?? Get over it decor - we all have our own opinions and thats exactly what I posted.......an OPINION. [/*]

okay.....opinions can be based on facts. you stated it in such a way that you may know all of the facts as you are so sure you "know" Christine's colors so I thought maybe you had some facts. I didn't realize you were just being ....uh never mind.

[inv]

Originally posted by decor


okay.....opinions can be based on facts. you stated it in such a way that you may know all of the facts as you are so sure you "know" Christine's colors so I thought maybe you had some facts. I didn't realize you were just being ....uh never mind. [/*]

So, what is your opinion based on the 'facts' we know?

[decor]

Originally posted by inv


So, what is your opinion based on the 'facts' we know? [/*]

well
I said earlier that I felt that he walked

other than that what can I say? I know we are steps behind LE which means they have info that we don't. Le said he had a secret life but didn't say what it was. we have so little to go on that it is hard to come up with anything.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


okay.....opinions can be based on facts. you stated it in such a way that you may know all of the facts as you are so sure you "know" Christine's colors so I thought maybe you had some facts. I didn't realize you were just being ....uh never mind. [/*]

That....uh never mind - great answer - now back to the subject of thid board......Nicholas - where are you?????

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Seems to me that the reason Christine is being discussed is because people spend far too much time gossiping about her, instead of trying to figure out what happened to Nicholas.

Do you think that Nicholas's *secret life* has no bearing on the case and shouldn't be discussed? If so I think you are mistaken.

The thing is, this is not the case of a husband with a wife missing moving out and filing for divorce. This is the case of a SAHM who has suddenly lost her husband, trying to take care of herself and her two small children. Don't you think she should do what is in her own and her children's best interest? [/*]

Like, get a job?

[Danette44]

About the secret life - it's apparent it hasn't caused problems at work or home for that matter - and if he hadn't came up missing no one would of known about it - so it can't be that bad. MOO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Danette44
About the secret life - it's apparent it hasn't caused problems at work or home for that matter - and if he hadn't came up missing no one would of known about it - so it can't be that bad. MOO [/*]

Well unless it was something like he was meeting people on the internet and then having lunch with them until he found one to run off with.

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44
About the secret life - it's apparent it hasn't caused problems at work or home for that matter - and if he hadn't came up missing no one would of known about it - so it can't be that bad. MOO [/*]

or maybe the secret life is what caused him to go missing.

it didn't cause problems at home or work because it was a SECRET. we don't know what kind of problems it may have caused if it wasn't a secret or was discovered.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well unless it was something like he was meeting people on the internet and then having lunch with them until he found one to run off with. [/*]

Or unless the sercret life was preparing to divorce his wife and then she found out about it and then....

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Well unless it was something like he was meeting people on the internet and then having lunch with them until he found one to run off with. [/*]

IMOO - Silver, I don;t think he ran off - I could be wrong but this is way to long to just get away.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Danette44


IMOO - Silver, I don;t think he ran off - I could be wrong but this is way to long to just get away. [/*]

But what about this woman?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291424,00.html

[Hedda Lettis]

Does anyone remember posts about CF criticizing or making fun of Nick on the esty message board?

I remember reading a post (somewhere) about that, and the poster said that a lot of the esty people didn't like CF because of the way she talked about her husband (before he went missing).

[Musterion]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Excuse me, how do you know what I do and don't do.... You don't know where my focus is, just because I answered a question that was asked of me that means I am doing nothing to help find Nicholas.. I'll tell you what I'm not doing is sitting on a board and doing nothing but tearing people apart.. I am getting people to put out fliers, I am getting people out there asking questions of people living at and around the condos... I am doing other things that I'm not going to go in to here on the board. I am investing my time and money in trying to help find a missing person. I'm not here to make judgements of anyone involved in this whole thing. I know what it's like first hand to have someone go missing, I lost my daughter when she was 19 and the ending was not a happy one. So I will not judge Nicholas and I will not judge Christine, that's not my job. I am focused on helping Nicholas and his family...If that upsets some I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. So y'all can judge me all you want......

The purpose of my board is to help missing persons and their families.. it's not a place to bash and tear people apart. It's a place for families to go to seek help, information and support. I honestly hope that you'll never need our help, but it's there if you ever do. Then you may think differently about what we do.

As for the info I put out there being after the fact, I'm not going to put it out there so I can be ridiculed, bashed, called a liar as I have been. So I will just wait and confirm something if I know it to be true and will answer questions if I can.

ETA... I take that back.. I'm done answering any questionss.... [/*]

Harlett,

I'm so sorry about your daughter. It takes alot to leave me speechless but when anyone attacks you and your credibility or motives I am stunned. I understand people's frustrations but it is hard for me to understand criticism of you when you are trying to find Nicholas and using your time and your money to do it.

Your site is classic. It is a safe place. I'm so glad that you have brought something like that out of your tragedy. For those of us who can't physically do something in every case that we read about on your site, we can go on there and pray and be heartbroken for the missing and their loved ones. Thank you for that.

I don't blame you for not answering anymore questions. I wouldn't put myself in that position anymore either. The frustration for many posters who don't receive the answers they want seems to spill over into hostility to anyone who tries to give the benefit of the doubt to certain aspects of this case, or try to answer a question. The anger is astounding. JMO.

Thank you, again, Harlett for your work.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


But what about this woman?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291424,00.html [/*]

I followed this case also - to many signs on her - she was being fired from the school - told everyone she was divorced - and left during a convention. Hocked her wedding ring go on the to NY = man that took guts. moo

[Carol25]

I'll post this again only because it could link to some of the evidence surfaced so far.
Just another thought, going back to that church. I thought the church was a little strange.. . Meaning that all decisions will be made without the members.
By all accounts NF was avery good person and seemed to be very moral. What if some of his "secret associates" were members of a more stringent environment, one that some of may even call a cult.
Taking only $50.00 and nothing else could indicate he was going to live somewhere he was going to live a less materialistic life. And the fact that he made a point of leaving the church first would fit into tis scenario so he would have left with all other religious ties cut first.
Perhaps he had talked with Christine and encouraged all of them to enter some other form of life and she disagreed. When he didn't come home that one night, she had a suspicion what had happened and hoped police would stop him and bring him back so she could convince him what he was doing was wrong.

Just a thought. Could be way out there. But when someone posts and says they know who he "associates with now" it doesn't sound like it's just one person.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I think the listing you are divorced online *4 you actually even file, is just more evidence of her histrionic personality, and trying to draw attention to herself; in more ways than one. Divorced, shouts I'm available. Divorce shouts Bring it On, Divorced shouts Looking Now ready to Play, etc.

It inappropriate behavior at two mos in to a missing spouse, one you supposedly loved more than life itself. It is even less appropriate if you think he may be dead. Having a secret life? Until I see some proof of that, I'm not convinced. I think now is the best time to luminol her old residence garage too; just to be on the safe side of the investigation. LE should do this immediately. It's MT, perfect opp to check things over.

Where are all of Nicks belongings? Did she pack them up and put them curbside, or give them to family members? How come his family members havent said anything like "we've retrieved all of Nicks belongings from their home today for safe keeping etc" but
NO, nothing like that.

This woman asked for the publics help in locating her "missing husband" if Nick wasnt ever missing; then there will be some fraud charges, as you are not allowed to make false reports and then profit off of those false reports. Different states call this different things, but in the end it's greed and it's wrong and it doesnt look good esp if someone is missing.

I think he may have made it home that night. Until it's proven he didnt, it's no 1 on my list. Made it home and something else took place. Nicholas F is missing. The way too early posts about her needing help 2 days in is really problematic and doesnt set well with me. To say, ack, I think my husband left me omg, i need help is one thing. BUT to say my husband is endandered, he is missing he would never leave us, then ask for money the next day, and accept that, and then ask online for housing help, when still her financial status had not changed, morgt was paid up, the move looks suspicious as do a lot of her other actions. And that is why so many have something to say about her behavior. It's key in these cases, just as key as missing in the first 48 hours is.

I really hope he is alive, but I am still very concerned that he met w.foul play in a domestic sense. Or foul play in a sexual sense stranger danger type sexual encounter. I think that is what the $50 was for. I never got an answer to the safeway CCTV being checked out. I would have had my PI at the condon in FedWay, and the one accross the street, Mgrs, at both, and tennants at both interviewed extensively to find out if anyone there was putting him up. But, this one hasnt hired a PI, hasnt held searches, says will never stop looking and we are just waiting for her to start.
CT [/*]

Hey CT, glad to see you are here! I pm'd you earlier. There is something really wrong going on here..

[inv]

Originally posted by figritout


Hey CT, glad to see you are here! I pm'd you earlier. There is something really wrong going on here.. [/*]

Yeah, something is definitely going on here. LE doesn't know where Nick is (this is not my opinion, this was a fact as of 2:13pm yesterday), so therefore, his ex-wife <in my mind I am rolling my eyes to the power of 1000) 'should not' know where he is either. So, there should be no reason to preemptively file for a divorce unless..

1. She wants to keep Nick's kids from him should he ever be found alive.

2. She wants to control the divorce stipulations.

3. She is angry with him (not knowing if he is dead or alive) for putting her in a negative financial situation even though it may not be his fault.

Who knows!?!

[figritout]

Originally posted by inv


Yeah, something is definitely going on here. LE doesn't know where Nick is (this is not my opinion, this was a fact as of 2:13pm yesterday), so therefore, his ex-wife <in my mind I am rolling my eyes to the power of 1000) 'should not' know where he is either. So, there should be no reason to preemptively file for a divorce unless..

1. She wants to keep Nick's kids from him should he ever be found alive.

2. She wants to control the divorce stipulations.

3. She is angry with him (not knowing if he is dead or alive) for putting her in a negative financial situation even though it may not be his fault.

Who knows!?! [/*]

There is so much critisism on this board if you mention the wifes bazaar behavior? If I went missing and my husband behaved the way she has I would hope my family and friends and yes LE would be on it "like white on rice".. There is something that has not been right since the first 24 hrs. I will say it again. I hope LE is watching how things play out. Who is funding the rent free home? Is she involved with MHC? Even though they left for "personal reasons"? Now I know I have just opened myself up for the backlash of certain posters on this forum. But I do not accept what is going on as "normal" or "right".

[inv]

Originally posted by figritout


There is so much critisism on this board if you mention the wifes bazaar behavior? If I went missing and my husband behaved the way she has I would hope my family and friends and yes LE would be on it "like white on rice".. There is something that has not been right since the first 24 hrs. I will say it again. I hope LE is watching how things play out. Who is funding the rent free home? Is she involved with MHC? Even though they left for "personal reasons"? Now I know I have just opened myself up for the backlash of certain posters on this forum. But I do not accept what is going on as "normal" or "right". [/*]

Yes, figritout. I totally agree where you are coming from. I hope we hear some news from LE within the near future. I think one big help would be to reveal what the secret life was. That would eliminate alot of the speculation going on.

[figritout]

Originally posted by inv


Yes, figritout. I totally agree where you are coming from. I hope we hear some news from LE within the near future. I think one big help would be to reveal what the secret life was. That would eliminate alot of the speculation going on. [/*]

Thanks Inv. I have been watching the news here for anything on the body found in Tukwila. And there has not been a thing. I would not have even known about it except for the link on this site that was provided. So frustrating! Just had to put that out as I don't post alot just read.. I just so hope it is not him.
Anyway about the secret life... It would definitly be helpful to know what that is all about but out of respect for NF I don't see that it would be right to publish it. Until they determine if he is alive or not anyways.. I read all the threads on this site and this one has me in the heart.. NF hope you are OK and that we hear from you soon...

[inv]

Originally posted by figritout


Thanks Inv. I have been watching the news here for anything on the body found in Tukwila. And there has not been a thing. I would not have even known about it except for the link on this site that was provided. So frustrating! Just had to put that out as I don't post alot just read.. I just so hope it is not him.
Anyway about the secret life... It would definitly be helpful to know what that is all about but out of respect for NF I don't see that it would be right to publish it. Until they determine if he is alive or not anyways.. I read all the threads on this site and this one has me in the heart.. NF hope you are OK and that we hear from you soon... [/*]

I read on one of the news sites that LE would not release the identity of the victim as of last night when the story was published. I guess this means they know who it is? I'm sure we will know within a few more days.

PS, LE has been quiet today, CF has been quiet today, LE didn't reply to my email today (they have to all the others within a day).

I don't know what that means, I just thought I'd throw it out there.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by figritout


Thanks Inv. I have been watching the news here for anything on the body found in Tukwila. And there has not been a thing. I would not have even known about it except for the link on this site that was provided. So frustrating! Just had to put that out as I don't post alot just read.. I just so hope it is not him.
Anyway about the secret life... It would definitly be helpful to know what that is all about but out of respect for NF I don't see that it would be right to publish it. Until they determine if he is alive or not anyways.. I read all the threads on this site and this one has me in the heart.. NF hope you are OK and that we hear from you soon... [/*]

It's not believed foul play is involved, and autopsy is scheduled for Monday:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15933724/detail.html

[figritout]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


It's not believed foul play is involved, and autopsy is scheduled for Monday:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15933724/detail.html [/*]

Thank you.. I have been watching and watching and did not get that information. By the way I want you to know how much I appreciate your posts!

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by inv

PS, LE has been quiet today, CF has been quiet today, LE didn't reply to my email today (they have to all the others within a day).

I don't know what that means, I just thought I'd throw it out there. [/*]

Was that the one about me? Or is it the one after that one? That might mean something.

[inv]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Was that the one about me? Or is it the one after that one? That might mean something. [/*]

Believe it or not, SD, it had nothing to do with you. They responded within hours regarding my email about you. I found out why they had not responded to the other email. The content of the email was something they already knew.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Someone mentioned on another board that maybe he had gone out at lunch and gotten the sugar, so that he would have a little free time that night before he went home... I thought that was a great idea, and entirely possible... [/*]

If he got the sugar at lunch, it would have been found in his car. Since LE said they found nothing to indicate either foul play or running away, I don't think they found the sugar. IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


I would say may he rest in peace. then I would want to know what he done to get himself into that position.

I, like others here, shifted back and forth to he left, he was harmed, etc.
I have come to the conclusion that he deserted them.

Either way CF and her kids are alone, without him. Because she does not do what the people on this board want/expect her to do they have judged her, criticized etc. (not going to rehash this again since it doesn't seem to do any good anyway)

If he is dead, then he is at peace and CF's hel* has just started. If he is alive CF's hel* has just started. Either way CF loses. NF is either dead and at peace or off living the life that he wants for himself. [/*]

Just because you have come to the conclusion that he has deserted them does not make it true.

In reference to your "then I would want to know what he done to get himself in that position" - I'm just curious - when a woman is abducted or raped, do you ask what they did to put themselves in that position? Or is that question just reserved for Nicholas?

Absolutely Unbelievable

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


Like, get a job? [/*]

Do you really think Christine should have a job already? She has 2 children under the age of 5, is pregnant, and her husband disappeared only a little more than 2 months ago.

I'm wondering, do you work? Have you ever looked for a job?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Do you really think Christine should have a job already? She has 2 children under the age of 5, is pregnant, and her husband disappeared only a little more than 2 months ago.

I'm wondering, do you work? Have you ever looked for a job? [/*]

Excuse me - it's an exhusband to be now.

[n/t]

I came across this post the other day on theFrancisco site. Nicholas built a snowman with his daughter and his daughter refused to stand next to the snowman, Nicholas stood next to it for a photo because he didn't want the snowman to feel unloved.

Sadly, the photo was removed :(

http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/daddy-is-proud-of-the-snowman/

Nicholas, you have many many supporters here and other sites. Everything we've read about you from coworkers and friends confirm that you are a caring and loving human being.

If you are safe and alive, we beg you to contact someone you feel you can trust. We won't stop looking for you. Many of us care very much for you.

:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t
I came across this post the other day on theFrancisco site. Nicholas built a snowman with his daughter and his daughter refused to stand next to the snowman, Nicholas stood next to it for a photo because he didn't want the snowman to feel unloved.

Sadly, the photo was removed :(

http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/daddy-is-proud-of-the-snowman/

Nicholas, you have many many supporters here and other sites. Everything we've read about you from coworkers and friends confirm that you are a caring and loving human being.

If you are safe and alive, we beg you to contact someone you feel you can trust. We won't stop looking for you. Many of us care very much for you.

:rose: [/*]

n/t - so poignant - so beautifully said. You are right - we won't stop looking for him.

:rose:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by n/t
I came across this post the other day on theFrancisco site. Nicholas built a snowman with his daughter and his daughter refused to stand next to the snowman, Nicholas stood next to it for a photo because he didn't want the snowman to feel unloved.

Sadly, the photo was removed :(

http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/daddy-is-proud-of-the-snowman/

Nicholas, you have many many supporters here and other sites. Everything we've read about you from coworkers and friends confirm that you are a caring and loving human being.

If you are safe and alive, we beg you to contact someone you feel you can trust. We won't stop looking for you. Many of us care very much for you.

:rose: [/*]

Good Morning n/t - I had seen that picture also in the begining - very sad indeed.......

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Danette44


Excuse me - it's an exhusband to be now. [/*]


Christine is still married to Nicholas, as far as I know.

I don't like to see people being criticized for things that aren't their fault, or for doing what's best for themselves and their children.

The truth of the matter is, as goes the old cliche, it take two to tango. It goes on all the time, people blaming one person for the problems in a relationship. But there are just so many subtle things that go on between two people, things said, subtle manipulations, unconscious buttons pushed, and it's always a two-way street. What appears to be true, is almost never the case. In fact, what can happen is the loudest, neediest, most annoying member of a relationship is paired up with a quiet, passive-aggressive type person, who pushes their partner's buttons, making it *appear* that their loud, needy, partner is the *bad* guy (gal), fulfilling their own *poor me* agenda and needs.

You never know.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I was going to go back and find the post where MystryPhobia was talking about the coworkers at Publicis. It looks like some of the daily threads are missing.

Anyway, MystryPhobia stated that the coworkers had read this board and were not impressed with what was being said about Nicholas. (paraphrased). Evidently they thought of him to be a standup guy, a good guy and a good friend. At that time possibilities were being discussed about him deserting his family.

Nicholas is still missing and one of the possibilities includes foul play. Until someone announces that he is alive and well, I think he should be treated with the same respect and consideration as all other missing people on this forum.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Good Morning n/t - I had seen that picture also in the begining - very sad indeed....... [/*]

Morning Danette - I saw it also - very sweet picture.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by zenharmony19



Christine is still married to Nicholas, as far as I know.

I don't like to see people being criticized for things that aren't their fault, or for doing what's best for themselves and their children.

The truth of the matter is, as goes the old cliche, it take two to tango. It goes on all the time, people blaming one person for the problems in a relationship. But there are just so many subtle things that go on between two people, things said, subtle manipulations, unconscious buttons pushed, and it's always a two-way street. What appears to be true, is almost never the case. In fact, what can happen is the loudest, neediest, most annoying member of a relationship is paired up with a quiet, passive-aggressive type person, who pushes their partner's buttons, making it *appear* that their loud, needy, partner is the *bad* guy (gal), fulfilling their own *poor me* agenda and needs.

You never know. [/*]

If you noticed I said........exhusband to be.

It's a known FACT that she is filing for a divorce - per her own Private Investigator on this board. Who cares about who pushes who's buttons here, that fact is she pleaded and beg for the publics help. Nicholas isn't here to have a say in any of this, and I pray someone contacts his "parents - sisters", to let them know what the wife is doing just in case he is alive and out there.

Chrisitne has made it known that Nicholas left her in such a debt that she needed the publics help in donations. Thats her story - no one else's, I sure haven't heard LE state he left them in a mess. So, are we to believe everything the wife says - and that Nicholas is scum and left his family to fend for themselfs? You're right we never know what really has happen til Nicholas is found - and hopefully he's alive. It really amazes me how people are so protective of the wife when Nicholas is the one that became missing and was focus on in the beginning - personally - if and when Nicholas comes home he will be better off not having her in his life - JMOO - JMOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I was going to go back and find the post where MystryPhobia was talking about the coworkers at Publicis. It looks like some of the daily threads are missing.

Anyway, MystryPhobia stated that the coworkers had read this board and were not impressed with what was being said about Nicholas. (paraphrased). Evidently they thought of him to be a standup guy, a good guy and a good friend. At that time possibilities were being discussed about him deserting his family.

Nicholas is still missing and one of the possibilities includes foul play. Until someone announces that he is alive and well, I think he should be treated with the same respect and consideration as all other missing people on this forum. [/*]

Morning Rainy - I seen those post also - so sad to know the coworkers thinks so highly of one of their own, and to come on here and see people belittle Nicholas because they believe every word that the exwife to be spits out. JMOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


If you noticed I said........exhusband to be.

It's a known FACT that she is filing for a divorce - per her own Private Investigator on this board. Who cares about who pushes who's buttons here, that fact is she pleaded and beg for the publics help. Nicholas isn't here to have a say in any of this, and I pray someone contacts his "parents - sisters", to let them know what the wife is doing just in case he is alive and out there.

JMOO - JMOO [/*]

(snipped)

Danette, CF is the one that put "divorced" on her MySpace - I wouldn't even worry about saying exhusband to be. She is the one that said it - not us.

I also hope Nick's parents are aware of this, as they may want to petition for visitation to see their grandchildren. I also hope they have a voice in this regarding their son's rights - yanno the one who is missing?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


(snipped)

Danette, CF is the one that put "divorced" on her MySpace - I wouldn't even worry about saying exhusband to be. She is the one that said it - not us.

I also hope Nick's parents are aware of this, as they may want to petition for visitation to see their grandchildren. I also hope they have a voice in this regarding their son's rights - yanno the one who is missing? [/*]

I see your point as the "to be", in there, but actually unless she filed in Jan, she is still legally married. moo - as far as his parents goes - thats why I keep throwing it out there hoping someone will inform them what she is doing. I keep checking the papaers and still nothing on that body that was found - and for Christine to be so quiet right now makes me alittle nervous.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


I see your point as the "to be", in there, but actually unless she filed in Jan, she is still legally married. moo - as far as his parents goes - thats why I keep throwing it out there hoping someone will inform them what she is doing. I keep checking the papaers and still nothing on that body that was found - and for Christine to be so quiet right now makes me alittle nervous. [/*]

Its possible the divorce is final, and has been in the works for several months - who knows.

As for the body waiting on ID, yes it makes me very nervous also. I would hate to think that while Nicholas' body was being autopsied, some people here were trashing him.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Do you really think Christine should have a job already? She has 2 children under the age of 5, is pregnant, and her husband disappeared only a little more than 2 months ago.

I'm wondering, do you work? Have you ever looked for a job? [/*]

Plus all the effort put in to finding a rent free home and moving--all with having your husband disappear only a little more than 2 months ago. You're right. She's been too busy to think about job hunting.

[n/t]

Danette,

I hope LE has contacted his family letting them know of the latest development. As grandparents, I believe they have rights to those children. Nicholas is missing but his parents and sisters are not.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t
Danette,

I hope LE has contacted his family letting them know of the latest development. As grandparents, I believe they have rights to those children. Nicholas is missing but his parents and sisters are not. [/*]

Nick's family might want to petition the court to act as his voice since he is missing and foul play has not been ruled out.

I would not bet on LE notifying Nick's family - the concern seems to be about CF only.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Nick's family might want to petition the court to act as his voice since he is missing and foul play has not been ruled out.

I would not bet on LE notifying Nick's family - the concern seems to be about CF only. [/*]

EXACTLY Rainy!!! Does anyone have the Catholic Church site that his one sister teaches at - maybe we can at least write them and let them relay a message to her?? jmoo

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


EXACTLY Rainy!!! Does anyone have the Catholic Church site that his one sister teaches at - maybe we can at least write them and let them relay a message to her?? jmoo [/*]

did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't want to be bothered by anyone on these boards?

if I remember correctly one of the reasons his family has been so invisible is because of the people and their criticisms on these boards.

if you write them giving suggestions and they don't respond then people start complaining and saying the family doesn't care etc.

I do not understand why people here feel that they are owed anything.

when I moved to this very tiny rural town over 30 years ago I remember a man telling me that one day he made a joke about the mob. the next day he was asked by someone he knew to go for a ride which he did. he was then blindfolded and taken out of the state and brought before someone still blindfolded. He was asked if he thought his joke had been funny. He promptly said no. He was told if he had any other jokes and told them it would be the last time he told a joke about them.

My point is that sometimes if people stick their nose where it doesn't belong, it gets bit off.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't want to be bothered by anyone on these boards?

if I remember correctly one of the reasons his family has been so invisible is because of the people and their criticisms on these boards.

if you write them giving suggestions and they don't respond then people start complaining and saying the family doesn't care etc.

I do not understand why people here feel that they are owed anything.

when I moved to this very tiny rural town over 30 years ago I remember a man telling me that one day he made a joke about the mob. the next day he was asked by someone he knew to go for a ride which he did. he was then blindfolded and taken out of the state and brought before someone still blindfolded. He was asked if he thought his joke had been funny. He promptly said no. He was told if he had any other jokes and told them it would be the last time he told a joke about them.

My point is that sometimes if people stick their nose where it doesn't belong, it gets bit off. [/*]

That's a funny story.:D

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't want to be bothered by anyone on these boards?

if I remember correctly one of the reasons his family has been so invisible is because of the people and their criticisms on these boards.

if you write them giving suggestions and they don't respond then people start complaining and saying the family doesn't care etc.

I do not understand why people here feel that they are owed anything.

when I moved to this very tiny rural town over 30 years ago I remember a man telling me that one day he made a joke about the mob. the next day he was asked by someone he knew to go for a ride which he did. he was then blindfolded and taken out of the state and brought before someone still blindfolded. He was asked if he thought his joke had been funny. He promptly said no. He was told if he had any other jokes and told them it would be the last time he told a joke about them.

My point is that sometimes if people stick their nose where it doesn't belong, it gets bit off. [/*]

Oh well - such is life.....and GM to you decor :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


did it ever occur to you that maybe they don't want to be bothered by anyone on these boards?

if I remember correctly one of the reasons his family has been so invisible is because of the people and their criticisms on these boards.

if you write them giving suggestions and they don't respond then people start complaining and saying the family doesn't care etc.

I do not understand why people here feel that they are owed anything.

when I moved to this very tiny rural town over 30 years ago I remember a man telling me that one day he made a joke about the mob. the next day he was asked by someone he knew to go for a ride which he did. he was then blindfolded and taken out of the state and brought before someone still blindfolded. He was asked if he thought his joke had been funny. He promptly said no. He was told if he had any other jokes and told them it would be the last time he told a joke about them.

My point is that sometimes if people stick their nose where it doesn't belong, it gets bit off. [/*]

Hmmmm where have I seen this attitude displayed before when someone is challenged on something?

Me thinks your slip is showing.