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Originally posted by decor
I see that Nick's best friend has made his blog private.
I wonder what kind of secret life Nick had that he didn't even share it with his best friend. [/*]
That's why it's called a "secret". Do you share all your secrets with your best friend?
No need to answer.
Originally posted by zenharmony19
Of course if his secret life did involve some kind of *affairs* with other people, there should be *someone* that had been involved with him willing to come forward to give information about that. Unless maybe they themselves are married, or are afraid of being implicated in his disappearance, or are just unaware that he is missing at all. If he was having affairs, you would think somebody would know something.. [/*]
Yes. Somebody would know something.
Originally posted by inv
I don't think it was spousal abuse or a random crime. I think, if he was murdered, it was premeditated and very precisely carried out.
I honestly don't believe he came home, but that's just my opinion. Wouldn't the neighbor's have seen him? jmo [/*]
Were the neighbours even interviewed? No mention of that either.
Originally posted by K Anne
Hi folks,
IIRC one or more of the earliest news articles reported that the hospitals had been contacted, either by family or by LE.
I don't have time to search for links tho, so, consider it JMO... [/*]
Yes, I remember seeing an article by the Sgt. stating that hospitals were checked.
Originally posted by Musterion
I agree she didn't know.
If Nicholas left on his own, I don't believe that CF knew he was going to leave. I think that Nicholas hid his alleged 'other' life very well. I think it has blindsided Christine and everyone that knew Nicholas. Not one person has come forward publically to say that they knew him to be the kind of guy to leave or to have another life. They all seem in shock. JMO. [/*]
Quiet doesn't necessarily mean in shock. Wife seems to be the one with the wanting the truth to be revealed whereas his mom's last words in an interview were she was hoping someone was not out to persecute him.
We may have two conflicting sides of what may have happened to Nicholas.
Carol25
04-16-2008, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Quiet doesn't necessarily mean in shock. Wife seems to be the one with the wanting the truth to be revealed whereas his mom's last words in an interview were she was hoping someone was not out to persecute him.
We may have two conflicting sides of what may have happened to Nicholas. [/*]
I don't see those as conflicting at all. CF may want him "exposed" for the 'evil" he did and wanting to know who his new love interest is; and mom knows where he is and doesn't want him persecuted over this whole mess.
Musterion
04-16-2008, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Quiet doesn't necessarily mean in shock. Wife seems to be the one with the wanting the truth to be revealed whereas his mom's last words in an interview were she was hoping someone was not out to persecute him.
We may have two conflicting sides of what may have happened to Nicholas. [/*]
That's true! Quiet doesn't mean shock.
I'm not sure what you mean by CF wanting the truth to be revealed of Nicholas' disappearance being conflicting with his mom's words: “I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html
How are those two things conflicting in your opinion?
beetlebrow
04-16-2008, 09:59 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
I don't see those as conflicting at all. CF may want him "exposed" for the 'evil" he did and wanting to know who his new love interest is; and mom knows where he is and doesn't want him persecuted over this whole mess. [/*]
ITA!!!!!
desmom
04-17-2008, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by zenharmony19
Of course if his secret life did involve some kind of *affairs* with other people, there should be *someone* that had been involved with him willing to come forward to give information about that. Unless maybe they themselves are married, or are afraid of being implicated in his disappearance, or are just unaware that he is missing at all. If he was having affairs, you would think somebody would know something.. [/*]
For this age group...I am not so sure they or anyone aware of a "they" would be "willing to come forward to give information" to LE, CF or anyone else.
jmo
ThruTheTrees
04-17-2008, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:seeya:
Would we (the public) know if LE located Nicholas?
....If he was found alive and doing what he wanted to do?
IMO if he walked away, who's to say he hasn't contacted a family member telling them he is alright...?
No one would be obligated to inform "us". Right?
Just askin'.
:shrug: [/*]
LE would close the case then. Whether they would tell us directly... I imagine that word would get out pretty quickly. There are a handful of people on 3 different boards that I know about that are in fairly regular contact with LE. And I'd like to think the LE would feel some sort of responsibility to communicate that the case has been closed, considering the level of consistent interest this case has generated. Also he would be taken off the state missing persons list, I'm sure. (Just as I heard that Viliamu Fale has been taken off that list.)
ThruTheTrees
04-17-2008, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by desmom
For this age group...I am not so sure they or anyone aware of a "they" would be "willing to come forward to give information" to LE, CF or anyone else.
jmo [/*]
Information could be given anonymously, but then I think LE would need to verify it independently unless there was also some "proof" provided by the anonymous tipster.
late4dinner
04-17-2008, 12:49 AM
did anyone notice that CF posted twice on the Supporting CF site, with a picture of herself, and now those two posts have been removed. She was talking about the move, and the search...
I wonder why those were removed?
I don't think LE knows where Nicholas is because they wouldn't keep telling us that the case is still being investigated if they had located him.
jmo
Originally posted by Carol25
I don't see those as conflicting at all. CF may want him "exposed" for the 'evil" he did and wanting to know who his new love interest is; and mom knows where he is and doesn't want him persecuted over this whole mess. [/*]
What 'evil' did he do? Can you provide a link to where it is reported that NF has a new love interest? Or a link where it says that mom knows where he is?
This is rediculous! Please include a 'jmo', 'imo', or 'moo' stating this is your opinion if you have no link.
Thanks in advance.
late4dinner
04-17-2008, 02:17 AM
I wasn't trying to bash CF- The posts were from a few days ago, after she and the kids moved. There wasn't anything that seemed inflammatory, or weird at all. Just that they were removed, is all.
Information seems to pop up and then disappear.
MOO
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 03:29 AM
The people he is around could easily think Christianity was dumb and he was smart to get away. They also might even be people who 15k just isn't enough to turn in a friend who hasn't broken a law. The people may not think like many of you do but feel they are much more open minded.
I'm guessing he is with new friends who just don't feel money is important enough to break his confidence.
Seeing how many people hate/dislike Christine maybe they feel the same.
I would also guess that when all the talk dies down he'll get in touch and deal with the kids, but as long as everyone wants a part of him he isn't coming out.
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by sadiemay62
I don't know anyone who dislikes Christine. Are you talking about Message Board poster's?? Doesn't really count, imo.
We don't really know for a fact what people he could be around at this moment. In fact, I don't believe he walked away at all. jmo [/*]
True but you see I think I know which group of people he has been around and I know some people in that group. If he doesn't want to be found and since he hasn't broken a law they aren't going to give him up. I can't prove it but I believe time will tell. No they aren't going to tell me if he is with them and if they did then I couldn't tell anyway.
No one could believe the minister's wife could walk away either, but she did.
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
True but you see I think I know which group of people he has been around and I know some people in that group. If he doesn't want to be found and since he hasn't broken a law they aren't going to give him up. I can't prove it but I believe time will tell. No they aren't going to tell me if he is with them and if they did then I couldn't tell anyway.
No one could believe the minister's wife could walk away either, but she did. [/*]
Silver_Dove,
I think you need to call the King Country Sherriff's Office. Or rather, I think they need to get a warrant for your IP address so they can come talk to you.
How could you possibly know if Nick were around these people unless they told you or you saw him yourself? There would be no reason for you to beleive he is around these people otherwise.
There are alot of people speculating and worrying about him, so you need to report anything you know. Why wouldn't you report it anyway? Your posts are very suspicious.
:read:
SeattleEddie
04-17-2008, 06:07 AM
some people crave attention :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
True but you see I think I know which group of people he has been around and I know some people in that group. If he doesn't want to be found and since he hasn't broken a law they aren't going to give him up. I can't prove it but I believe time will tell. No they aren't going to tell me if he is with them and if they did then I couldn't tell anyway.
No one could believe the minister's wife could walk away either, but she did. [/*]
You keep mentioning group of people and IIRC one of your posts mentioned community.
I have no idea what you're referring to but if you think you know Nick is/was hanging out with these people "in that group" why don't you do something? Have you contacted LE? Have you contacted his wife, his family to let them know?
Why post this information on a message board and not do anything about it?
Originally posted by Musterion
That's true! Quiet doesn't mean shock.
I'm not sure what you mean by CF wanting the truth to be revealed of Nicholas' disappearance being conflicting with his mom's words: “I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html
How are those two things conflicting in your opinion? [/*]
Maybe conflicting is not the right choice of words but the way I interpret these 2 statements is the wife wanting the truth to be exposed and maybe she thinks Nicholas did run off on her and wants him to pay for what he's done but the mom hopes someone is not harming him for something he may or may not have done but hopes whoever is doing this to him will let him go. She mentions "brought back to us safely". Does she think he's being harmed by someone who is trying to persecute him?
MoonFlwr
04-17-2008, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by sadiemay62
While your post makes for very adventurous, and interesting reading, there is no proof, and there STILL are NO facts released to us to substantiate inferences made that Nicholas had a secret life. I still think he met with foul play, as many do, totally unrelated to his wife or family. jmo [/*]
This scenario (foul play) seems the most reasonable explanation for me, personally.
K Anne
04-17-2008, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by n/t
You keep mentioning group of people and IIRC one of your posts mentioned community.
I have no idea what you're referring to but if you think you know Nick is/was hanging out with these people "in that group" why don't you do something? Have you contacted LE? Have you contacted his wife, his family to let them know?
Why post this information on a message board and not do anything about it? [/*]
IMO if you've looked at all of NF's online information, it's pretty clear that the Franciscos enjoyed a community that probably looks (and behaves) differently than most of yours might.
Also IMO plenty of info is already known to LE and we are watching a waiting game.
And also too: Nothing wrong with anyone else's contacting LE with what has been posted on the boards, if you think it is important, and even if you don't understand it.
Just because any one or all of us does something about this, does NOT mean NF will be found. I know it's all worth a shot, but even with several people having watched this from the very start, "we" still are no closer to knowing where he is or what happened that night.
My assumption is that if you see something in a board discussion that seems like a lead, or even only a relevant question that could turn up a new angle, YOU will report it directly to LE. Please let's don't berate each other for inaction.
K Anne
04-17-2008, 01:57 PM
I am still puzzled by, well, his having left his family at all, but also by the art left behind, so I don't know anymore what to think about whether he walked or foul play. But if he walked, and is still alive, I am in total agreement with this:
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I would also guess that when all the talk dies down he'll get in touch and deal with the kids, but as long as everyone wants a part of him he isn't coming out. [/*]
Musterion
04-17-2008, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Maybe conflicting is not the right choice of words but the way I interpret these 2 statements is the wife wanting the truth to be exposed and maybe she thinks Nicholas did run off on her and wants him to pay for what he's done but the mom hopes someone is not harming him for something he may or may not have done but hopes whoever is doing this to him will let him go. She mentions "brought back to us safely". Does she think he's being harmed by someone who is trying to persecute him? [/*]
Thanks for clarifying your interpretation. Sometimes it is hard to understand what someone is trying to say!
Nicholas' mom made that statement, I think it is was less than a week after he went missing. At that point it is likely that she believed he was abducted and being held. That's how I understood what she was saying. And that she prayed that whoever had him would set him free to come home.
I don't know, after this long, if she still believes that he is being held somewhere. There's been no statements that I know of with what his mom thinks.
CF said in her last blog entry that no matter what she won't stop searching for NF and that she prays the truth will come out about his disappearance. I interpret that to mean that she just wants to know. I don't read any vindictiveness into that. (Not saying you are saying that n/t). Or that she wants him to somehow pay for what he's done to his family. I read that she just wants an answer to what happened to him. Which is normal, to me, for anyone with a loved one missing, to ask and pray and want. JMO.
need2no
04-17-2008, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Musterion
Thanks for clarifying your interpretation. Sometimes it is hard to understand what someone is trying to say!
Nicholas' mom made that statement, I think it is was less than a week after he went missing. At that point it is likely that she believed he was abducted and being held. That's how I understood what she was saying. And that she prayed that whoever had him would set him free to come home.
I don't know, after this long, if she still believes that he is being held somewhere. There's been no statements that I know of with what his mom thinks.
CF said in her last blog entry that no matter what she won't stop searching for NF and that she prays the truth will come out about his disappearance. I interpret that to mean that she just wants to know. I don't read any vindictiveness into that. (Not saying you are saying that n/t). Or that she wants him to somehow pay for what he's done to his family. I read that she just wants an answer to what happened to him. Which is normal, to me, for anyone with a loved one missing, to ask and pray and want. JMO. [/*]
I keep trying to determine what Christine means by 'searching'. Does she mean by internet tracking of his online activity... just what are her search efforts to find Nicholas?
:shrug:
Musterion
04-17-2008, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by need2no
I keep trying to determine what Christine means by 'searching'. Does she mean by internet tracking of his online activity... just what are her search efforts to find Nicholas?
:shrug: [/*]
It seems to me that she is doing what so many others do when a loved one goes missing. Ask for LE's help. Have a website created for the missing person. Enlist a private investigator if you can. Rely on the efforts of friends and family and volunteers to help you continue the search. Pray, pray, pray.
I think she is doing the best that she can especially under the circumstances that she has found herself and her children in. JMO.
It seems most cases come to a point where attention dies down. Unfortunately. The media takes up other more immediate news stories. People who helped initially go back to their lives. Leads dry up. But, it sounds like she won't give up and that is a good thing. IMO.
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by inv
Silver_Dove,
I think you need to call the King Country Sherriff's Office. Or rather, I think they need to get a warrant for your IP address so they can come talk to you.
How could you possibly know if Nick were around these people unless they told you or you saw him yourself? There would be no reason for you to beleive he is around these people otherwise.
There are alot of people speculating and worrying about him, so you need to report anything you know. Why wouldn't you report it anyway? Your posts are very suspicious.
:read: [/*]
Oh come on the police already know where he could be, they can't get a warrant because there is no crime. They aren't going to spend the huge amounts of money it would cost to put out surveillance for a man who if they are correct would be alive.
Think about it why has everyone backed off including the police if they don't lean more toward he is alive and they just can't find him. They boards don't have all the information. Neither do I just a different point of view.
Yes just so you know the LE do know exactly what I know plus more I'm sure.
Originally posted by K Anne
IMO if you've looked at all of NF's online information, it's pretty clear that the Franciscos enjoyed a community that probably looks (and behaves) differently than most of yours might.
Also IMO plenty of info is already known to LE and we are watching a waiting game.
And also too: Nothing wrong with anyone else's contacting LE with what has been posted on the boards, if you think it is important, and even if you don't understand it.
Just because any one or all of us does something about this, does NOT mean NF will be found. I know it's all worth a shot, but even with several people having watched this from the very start, "we" still are no closer to knowing where he is or what happened that night.
My assumption is that if you see something in a board discussion that seems like a lead, or even only a relevant question that could turn up a new angle, YOU will report it directly to LE. Please let's don't berate each other for inaction. [/*]
That was exactly my point. If SD believes she thinks she knows Nicholas is hanging out with some "group" or "community", why not report it. Who knows, it may lead to a tip. I didn't bring it up, she did so I don't understand your last sentence. I'm not berating anyone for inaction, it was a suggestion.
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Oh come on the police already know where he could be, they can't get a warrant because there is no crime. They aren't going to spend the huge amounts of money it would cost to put out surveillance for a man who if they are correct would be alive.
Think about it why has everyone backed off including the police if they don't lean more toward he is alive and they just can't find him. They boards don't have all the information. Neither do I just a different point of view.
Yes just so you know the LE do know exactly what I know plus more I'm sure. [/*]
How do you know everyone has backed off including LE?
Originally posted by Musterion
Thanks for clarifying your interpretation. Sometimes it is hard to understand what someone is trying to say!
Nicholas' mom made that statement, I think it is was less than a week after he went missing. At that point it is likely that she believed he was abducted and being held. That's how I understood what she was saying. And that she prayed that whoever had him would set him free to come home.
I don't know, after this long, if she still believes that he is being held somewhere. There's been no statements that I know of with what his mom thinks.
CF said in her last blog entry that no matter what she won't stop searching for NF and that she prays the truth will come out about his disappearance. I interpret that to mean that she just wants to know. I don't read any vindictiveness into that. (Not saying you are saying that n/t). Or that she wants him to somehow pay for what he's done to his family. I read that she just wants an answer to what happened to him. Which is normal, to me, for anyone with a loved one missing, to ask and pray and want. JMO. [/*]
I guess I'm stuck on the word "revealed".
=====
Usage: See Communicate. -- Reveal, Divulge. To reveal is literally to lift the veil, and thus make known what was previously concealed; to divulge is to scatter abroad among the people, or make publicly known. A mystery or hidden doctrine may be revealed; something long confined to the knowledge of a few is at length divulged. "Time, which reveals all things, is itself not to be discovered." --Locke. "A tragic history of facts divulged." --Wordsworth.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revealed
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by n/t
How do you know everyone has backed off including LE? [/*]
I'll change my wording from backed off to scaled back.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html
http://www.king5.com/video/?z=y&nvid=225425
beetlebrow
04-17-2008, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by K Anne
I am still puzzled by, well, his having left his family at all, but also by the art left behind, so I don't know anymore what to think about whether he walked or foul play. But if he walked, and is still alive, I am in total agreement with this:
[/*]
I'm sure there was a copy machine at work AND IMO, from reading his posts in online "design" communities, he did alot of his work on the computer :shrug:
beetlebrow
04-17-2008, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Oh come on the police already know where he could be, they can't get a warrant because there is no crime. They aren't going to spend the huge amounts of money it would cost to put out surveillance for a man who if they are correct would be alive.
Think about it why has everyone backed off including the police if they don't lean more toward he is alive and they just can't find him. They boards don't have all the information. Neither do I just a different point of view.
Yes just so you know the LE do know exactly what I know plus more I'm sure. [/*]
Actually I think you are right about LE not wanting to use funds to find Nicholas (get proof)...even when they have clues as to where he is.
Now heres the BIG QUESTION.....since Christine receives updates from LE which would contain any info that they have found, why the #&U(( is she not out there trying to find him?????:cuss:
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I'll change my wording from backed off to scaled back.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html
http://www.king5.com/video/?z=y&nvid=225425 [/*]
IIRC, that was later proven to be untrue. I'll see if I can find a link.
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by beetlebrow
Actually I think you are right about LE not wanting to use funds to find Nicholas (get proof)...even when they have clues as to where he is.
Now heres the BIG QUESTION.....since Christine receives updates from LE which would contain any info that they have found, why the #&U(( is she not out there trying to find him?????:cuss: [/*]
You are stating this as a fact that she is doing nothing to try to find Nicholas, how do you know that?
beetlebrow
04-17-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
You are stating this as a fact that she is doing nothing to try to find Nicholas, how do you know that? [/*]
I was responding to SD's post that LE may suspect where he is but may not want to use funds to prove it. I was responding that """"IF"""""" this was true ....then why isn't Christine personally trying to find proof.....that may not have come across as "speculation", if it did not I apologize. I thought the word """if""" would be a major clue.
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by beetlebrow
I was responding to SD's post that LE may suspect where he is but may not want to use funds to prove it. I was responding that """"IF"""""" this was true ....then why isn't Christine personally trying to find proof.....that may not have come across as "speculation", if it did not I apologize. I thought the word """if""" would be a major clue. [/*]
Since you were quoting me let me say it could take me months to trace him down if I went looking. I also know people, who know people but it would still take time and energy. She has two small children and I would guess doesn't have the contacts.
Most of of the people I knew very well wouldn't say anything if he is alive.
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Hi Harlett,
Any updates? [/*]
Not really much of anything at all at this point. A few things have been followed up on that did not produce any information that could help in finding Nicholas. Someone is going back to the condos agan this weekend to keep asking people in the area if they have seen, or remember seeing Nic.. maybe if we keep going back there enough we will come across someone that remembers something... LE knows we are doing this.
People wondering about NF today...
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by beetlebrow
I was responding to SD's post that LE may suspect where he is but may not want to use funds to prove it. I was responding that """"IF"""""" this was true ....then why isn't Christine personally trying to find proof.....that may not have come across as "speculation", if it did not I apologize. I thought the word """if""" would be a major clue. [/*]
It would have been a major clue, if the word 'IF' had been in there :D
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Not really much of anything at all at this point. A few things have been followed up on that did not produce any information that could help in finding Nicholas. Someone is going back to the condos agan this weekend to keep asking people in the area if they have seen, or remember seeing Nic.. maybe if we keep going back there enough we will come across someone that remembers something... LE knows we are doing this. [/*]
Thanks for the update.
Glad to hear someone is going back to the condos. I wish it would've been done weeks ago but I guess it's better late than never.
Do you know if the car is still with LE or was it released? Also, I think it would be a good idea to get search dogs out there again. I believe it's crucial they check Publicis and the "up here" again. Safeway perhaps or wherever he used the ATM machine.
What would it take to have than happen? Would hiring a private firm help?
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Thanks for the update.
Glad to hear someone is going back to the condos. I wish it would've been done weeks ago but I guess it's better late than never.
Do you know if the car is still with LE or was it released? Also, I think it would be a good idea to get search dogs out there again. I believe it's crucial they check Publicis and the "up here" again. Safeway perhaps or wherever he used the ATM machine.
What would it take to have than happen? Would hiring a private firm help? [/*]
There has been someone at the condos the past 3 weekends asking questions, handing out fliers/posting fliers...
There is a group of about 100 people that are going to be cleaning up one of the parks this weekend and they are going to be keeping an eye out for anything that may have belonged to Nicholas, laptop, phone, keys etc... one of the posters at Websleuths got that taken care of.
Originally posted by kpb
People wondering about NF today...
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559 [/*]
So happy to see that people are still wondering and asking about him. It keeps the awareness going. :)
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
There has been someone at the condos the past 3 weekends asking questions, handing out fliers/posting fliers...
There is a group of about 100 people that are going to be cleaning up one of the parks this weekend and they are going to be keeping an eye out for anything that may have belonged to Nicholas, laptop, phone, keys etc... one of the posters at Websleuths got that taken care of. [/*]
Wonderful news! What park? Is it Panther Lake Park? Wish I could be there. *sigh*
What about search dogs? Do you know if that's a possibility? If a private firm is needed, I'll help chip in. I think they should get the dogs out there again specifically where he withdrew the money?
Did LE confirm where he withdrew the $50.00? Was it at Safeway, close to Publicis?
Harlett,
When are the searches being held? I know you said this weekend but is it on Saturday or Sunday? What time?
I'll light a candle hoping they find something , some clue as to what may have happened to Nicholas. :rose:
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Wonderful news! What park? Is it Panther Lake Park? Wish I could be there. *sigh*
What about search dogs? Do you know if that's a possibility? If a private firm is needed, I'll help chip in. I think they should get the dogs out there again specifically where he withdrew the money?
Did LE confirm where he withdrew the $50.00? Was it at Safeway, close to Publicis? [/*]
I believe it was Kinnear Park that's scheduled and it's next weekend, 4/26. I know they have a list of what items to be watching for.. I hope that list gets passed on from park to park as they are being cleaned.
As for the ATM, I don't have that information.
LE doesn't seem to think it would be beneficial at this point in time to do a search of the area around the condos. Nicholas' vehicle was found at the condo, but as of now there is nothing indicating that he was ever there. I think if something comes up that shows he was there, then they may do a search.
HarlettOhara
04-17-2008, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Harlett,
When are the searches being held? I know you said this weekend but is it on Saturday or Sunday? What time?
I'll light a candle hoping they find something , some clue as to what may have happened to Nicholas. :rose: [/*]
It's not actually a search n/t.. it's a group that is cleaning the park and they are going to watch for things that may have belonged to Nicholas.. it's Saturday 4/26... I was a week ahead thinking it was this weekend.
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
It's not actually a search n/t.. it's a group that is cleaning the park and they are going to watch for things that may have belonged to Nicholas.. it's Saturday 4/26... I was a week ahead thinking it was this weekend. [/*]
Yes, I realized after I posted that you indeed say it was cleaning the park but looking for anything that may have belonged to him is a big step forward.
A big thank you to them for doing this.:rose:
Please keep us posted. :seeya:
RainyNiteNTx
04-17-2008, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Since you were quoting me let me say it could take me months to trace him down if I went looking. I also know people, who know people but it would still take time and energy. She has two small children and I would guess doesn't have the contacts.
Most of of the people I knew very well wouldn't say anything if he is alive. [/*]
Well they sound like a lovely group of people Silver_Dove to keep something like that to themselves.
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Well they sound like a lovely group of people Silver_Dove to keep something like that to themselves. [/*]
Sad. :(
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Well they sound like a lovely group of people Silver_Dove to keep something like that to themselves. [/*]
Yes it is nice that some people believe in protecting their friends rather then collect rewards and gossiping isn't it. :)
Musterion
04-17-2008, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by n/t
I guess I'm stuck on the word "revealed".
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Usage: See Communicate. -- Reveal, Divulge. To reveal is literally to lift the veil, and thus make known what was previously concealed; to divulge is to scatter abroad among the people, or make publicly known. A mystery or hidden doctrine may be revealed; something long confined to the knowledge of a few is at length divulged. "Time, which reveals all things, is itself not to be discovered." --Locke. "A tragic history of facts divulged." --Wordsworth.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/revealed [/*]
Hi n/t,
The page you are referencing seems to me to say that reveal is to lift the veil and make known what was previously concealed. Divulge is to publish, which can assume make public. Reveal and divulge are two instances they are giving of communication.
The way I'm reading it and the etymology and other dictionaries I referenced for reveal don't seem to support that an assumption would be made that it means publicly. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php
divulge: 1460, from L. divulgare "publish, make common," from dis- "apart" + vulgare "make common property," from vulgus "common people."
reveal: c.1375, from O.Fr. reveler (14c.), from L. revelare "reveal, uncover, disclose," lit. "unveil," from re- "opposite of" + velare "to cover, veil," from velum "a veil"
If I'm understanding correctly you are troubled by thinking that Christine wants what happened to Nicholas to be revealed publicly? If that is true, why would that trouble you? JMO.
Miss Behavin
04-17-2008, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Yes it is nice that some people believe in protecting their friends rather then collect rewards and gossiping isn't it. :) [/*]
With all due respect, I have to disagree with you on that, Silver_Dove. Friends protecting friends not too long ago resulted in a 26 year old man being killed, decapitated, and set on fire!
This is serious. A man is missing. People are looking for Nicholas and want to know he is alive at the very least. Seems to me a friend would at least let that be known as part of a civic duty. JMO
Originally posted by kpb
People wondering about NF today...
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559 [/*]
Christine commented... she hopes to open her shops in early May. :rose:
beetlebrow
04-17-2008, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
It would have been a major clue, if the word 'IF' had been in there :D [/*]
It was in SDs post. I really wish we could have the kind of message board where posts overlap.
Silver_Dove
04-17-2008, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Do you really think that ppl are motivated to look for Nik, his friends, i mean, by a reward? i dont have friends like that.
I dont even know anyone posting online that I talk to that would be interested in a reward; what is up with that? Does some one here really think that ppl want the reward and that's why ppl are looking for him??
hammer hammer [/*]
So if he decided to leave his wife and kids and if he is with friends why would they call the cops on him? If that is he is doing exactly what he wants to do.
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Do you really think that ppl are motivated to look for Nik, his friends, i mean, by a reward? i dont have friends like that.
I dont even know anyone posting online that I talk to that would be interested in a reward; what is up with that? Does some one here really think that ppl want the reward and that's why ppl are looking for him??
hammer hammer [/*]
Hi, CT.
I, as many other persons following this case, have a full-time job which supports my needs. Rather than accepting any reward, I would suggest that the reward fund be spent on finding Nicholas.
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 01:28 AM
Originally posted by n/t
So happy to see that people are still wondering and asking about him. It keeps the awareness going. :)
Hi ya n/t! I don't know this poster so don't know if they would toot their own horn, but I'll toot it for them...
It is RKnowley on WS that contacted the organizer for the Earth Day clean up at Kinnear Park to ask if they would keep an eye out for items that may be Nick's.
Anyone interested can find out the info here-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63123&page=18&highlight=nicholas+francisco
I've read around a few forums where it appears that there continues to be some concerned citizens that are actively doing several things to help find Nick.
(*note- I use the term "them/they" in lieu of him/her she/he as I don't know the poster that has been working hard behind the scenes)
~Hope for Nicholas~
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by inv
Hi, CT.
I, as many other persons following this case, have a full-time job which supports my needs. Rather than accepting any reward, I would suggest that the reward fund be spent on finding Nicholas.
Hi inv~ I think it would be a great thing if the reward money was utilized to purchase billboard ads, pay for the cost of fliers being put up at rest stops and truck stops in the state, help with the cost of food and supplies needed for a search team like TES or to help offset the cost of other types of searches like SAR dogs or divers, buy air time, what have you.
Of course it does seem that statistically the majority of MP that end up being harmed are found by a hiker, hunter, fisherman, survey crew, etc. that don't have an LE background or know anything about a reward.
imo
K Anne
04-18-2008, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by beetlebrow
[K Anne re: leaving art behind]
I'm sure there was a copy machine at work AND IMO, from reading his posts in online "design" communities, he did alot of his work on the computer :shrug: [/*]
Whatever. My design and art are first in sketchbooks and I wouldn't leave the paper behind. :shrug:
K Anne
04-18-2008, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by Postergeist
Hi inv~ I think it would be a great thing if the reward money was utilized to purchase billboard ads, pay for the cost of fliers being put up at rest stops and truck stops in the state, help with the cost of food and supplies needed for a search team like TES or to help offset the cost of other types of searches like SAR dogs or divers, buy air time, what have you.
Of course it does seem that statistically the majority of MP that end up being harmed are found by a hiker, hunter, fisherman, survey crew, etc. that don't have an LE background or know anything about a reward.
imo [/*]
About divers, LE has a volunteer search and rescue dive team. And they are choosing not to utilize that resource for some reason.
IME MP that were harmed/killed are found by any of the above, or by joggers or dogs that happen to cross the location of the body at such a time as decay and weather conspire to let anyone within sniffing distance know for sure that something is definitely WRONG. And in Seattle that time is coming within the next several weeks, if not already.
K Anne
04-18-2008, 03:48 AM
quote:
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Originally posted by K Anne
My assumption is that if you see something in a board discussion that seems like a lead, or even only a relevant question that could turn up a new angle, YOU will report it directly to LE. Please let's don't berate each other for inaction. [/*]
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That was exactly my point. If SD believes she thinks she knows Nicholas is hanging out with some "group" or "community", why not report it. Who knows, it may lead to a tip. I didn't bring it up, she did so I don't understand your last sentence. I'm not berating anyone for inaction, it was a suggestion.
__________________
May, rather than suggest, just act. If it looks like a lead or a tip or a new angle, particularly if you discern it's come from someone "new" to crime discussion boards, report it to LE yourself.
Just a suggestion. IMO.
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Yes it is nice that some people believe in protecting their friends rather then collect rewards and gossiping isn't it. :) [/*]
I thought you cared about Christine and her children. How you can condone someone knowing where Nicholas is and not reporting it contradicts that IMO.
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Postergeist
Hi ya n/t! I don't know this poster so don't know if they would toot their own horn, but I'll toot it for them...
It is RKnowley on WS that contacted the organizer for the Earth Day clean up at Kinnear Park to ask if they would keep an eye out for items that may be Nick's.
Anyone interested can find out the info here-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63123&page=18&highlight=nicholas+francisco
I've read around a few forums where it appears that there continues to be some concerned citizens that are actively doing several things to help find Nick.
(*note- I use the term "them/they" in lieu of him/her she/he as I don't know the poster that has been working hard behind the scenes)
~Hope for Nicholas~ [/*]
What RKnowley is doing is outstanding. He/She decided to take the bull by the horns, and get organized with the information at hand. That is a great idea to have the cleanup crews look for items of Nicks. Very commendable job this person is doing.
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by sadiemay62
Many are not posting roses for Nicholas, because they do nothing to find him. Do you think otherwise? jmo [/*]
To me it is a symbol of remembrance and hope
For Nicholas :rose:
Originally posted by Postergeist
Hi ya n/t! I don't know this poster so don't know if they would toot their own horn, but I'll toot it for them...
It is RKnowley on WS that contacted the organizer for the Earth Day clean up at Kinnear Park to ask if they would keep an eye out for items that may be Nick's.
Anyone interested can find out the info here-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63123&page=18&highlight=nicholas+francisco
I've read around a few forums where it appears that there continues to be some concerned citizens that are actively doing several things to help find Nick.
(*note- I use the term "them/they" in lieu of him/her she/he as I don't know the poster that has been working hard behind the scenes)
~Hope for Nicholas~ [/*]
Hi Postie,
Thank you for posting the link.
RKnowley, if you're reading, a big thank you for contacting the organizer of Earth Day and a special thank you and prayers to those who will be looking out for anything that belonged to Nicholas.
God Bless. :rose:
Silver_Dove
04-18-2008, 05:06 PM
I feel so important a sheriff though my little thoughts, comments and guesses were important enough to get hold of me personally on this very board. Isn't that so exciting. Maybe they though the email Inv sent was important.
Of course I told them where I though they should start to look for a live Nicholas.:patriot:
Maybe this time they won't hid it at the bottom of a report but will go find him.
I'm so happy or do you think it is just a poster here playing games. :biggrin:
:lol:
Just though I would share sorry I can't post it since it is private.
desmom
04-18-2008, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I feel so important a sheriff though my little thoughts, comments and guesses were important enough to get hold of me personally on this very board. Isn't that so exciting. Maybe they though the email Inv sent was important.
Of course I told them where I though they should start to look for a live Nicholas.:patriot:
Maybe this time they won't hid it at the bottom of a report but will go find him.
I'm so happy or do you think it is just a poster here playing games. :biggrin:
:lol:
Just though I would share sorry I can't post it since it is private. [/*]
IMO, this post makes me think you have some info that could be helpful to LE. Did you share this info with LE?
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
True but you see I think I know which group of people he has been around and I know some people in that group. If he doesn't want to be found and since he hasn't broken a law they aren't going to give him up. I can't prove it but I believe time will tell. No they aren't going to tell me if he is with them and if they did then I couldn't tell anyway.
No one could believe the minister's wife could walk away either, but she did. [/*]
Originally posted by desmom
IMO, this post makes me think you have some info that could be helpful to LE. Did you share this info with LE?
[/*]
I doubt it. I also doubt that the sheriff or det are done with this. Especially when they go to those clubs and don't find any leads on Nic's whereabouts. I am sure they will come back to the source of the lead and question their motives for their posts on this board.
I sincerely do hope they find Nicholas there. At least we will know he is alive.
To Nicholas:
::rose::
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I feel so important a sheriff though my little thoughts, comments and guesses were important enough to get hold of me personally on this very board. Isn't that so exciting. Maybe they though the email Inv sent was important.
Of course I told them where I though they should start to look for a live Nicholas.:patriot:
Maybe this time they won't hid it at the bottom of a report but will go find him.
I'm so happy or do you think it is just a poster here playing games. :biggrin:
:lol:
Just though I would share sorry I can't post it since it is private. [/*]
Sorry, but this post makes me think you are playing games. I don't find this to be a game. There is a man missing whose children need him.
Silver_Dove
04-18-2008, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by desmom
IMO, this post makes me think you have some info that could be helpful to LE. Did you share this info with LE?
[/*]
True but you see I think I know which group of people he has been around and I know some people in that group. If he doesn't want to be found and since he hasn't broken a law they aren't going to give him up. I can't prove it but I believe time will tell. No they aren't going to tell me if he is with them and if they did then I couldn't tell anyway.
Did you notice I said I THINK? Did I say I know he did? Did you notice where I say I CAN'T PROVE IT? If I could prove anything I would do something in a heart beat but I CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T. If I could I would
If I were to post that Christine did it and should be given a lie detector test, have her house search etc etc no one would even question me, but because I believe he is alive and took off on his own everyone thinks I know something.
So if I don't agree with the crowd it is a good thing to fake pm's to me from the sheriff?
The truth is LE knows what I know and I'm sure more. They have even said as much but people just want to believe that Nicholas' secret life was something like playing checkers on the internet.
desmom
04-18-2008, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Did you notice I said I THINK? Did I say I know he did? Did you notice where I say I CAN'T PROVE IT? If I could prove anything I would do something in a heart beat but I CAN'T CAN'T CAN'T. If I could I would
If I were to post that Christine did it and should be given a lie detector test, have her house search etc etc no one would even question me, but because I believe he is alive and took off on his own everyone thinks I know something.
So if I don't agree with the crowd it is a good thing to fake pm's to me from the sheriff?
The truth is LE knows what I know and I'm sure more. They have even said as much but people just want to believe that Nicholas' secret life was something like playing checkers on the internet. [/*]
I noticed.
I think I know which group of people he has been around they must have a good reason to "think" they know.
and I know some people in that group.
the poster is familiar with this group of people. A group of people LE may not have uncovered in their investigation. A group of people LE may need to question since you think he is with them.
I think if you were to go back and read this forum, you will find many of us believe NF took off on his own. Maybe it is something you said.
imo, jmo, moo
ETA~ How does some one fake being a part of LE and send a pm on this board? To send or receive a pm, you have to be a member and your member name shows up in the sender's name. :shrug:
Silver_Dove
04-18-2008, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by inv
I doubt it. I also doubt that the sheriff or det are done with this. Especially when they go to those clubs and don't find any leads on Nic's whereabouts. I am sure they will come back to the source of the lead and question their motives for their posts on this board.
I sincerely do hope they find Nicholas there. At least we will know he is alive.
To Nicholas:
::rose:: [/*]
Oh do you plan to send me another pm?
Also why would you believe they will go to the clubs on one tip? After they refused to drag the lakes?
I really hope that Nicholas calls someone soon.
For Christine and her children :rose:
Shimz
04-18-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by desmom
I noticed.
they must have a good reason to "think" they know.
the poster is familiar with this group of people. A group of people LE may not have uncovered in their investigation. A group of people LE may need to question since you think he is with them.
I think if you were to go back and read this forum, you will find many of us believe NF took off on his own. Maybe it is something you said.
imo, jmo, moo
ETA~ How does some one fake being a part of LE and send a pm on this board? To send or receive a pm, you have to be a member and your member name shows up in the sender's name. :shrug: [/*]
well said :beer:
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I feel so important a sheriff though my little thoughts, comments and guesses were important enough to get hold of me personally on this very board. Isn't that so exciting. Maybe they though the email Inv sent was important.
Of course I told them where I though they should start to look for a live Nicholas.:patriot:
Maybe this time they won't hid it at the bottom of a report but will go find him.
I'm so happy or do you think it is just a poster here playing games. :biggrin:
:lol:
Just though I would share sorry I can't post it since it is private. [/*]
Oh I definately think there is a poster here playing games.
Silver_Dove
04-18-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by desmom
I noticed.
they must have a good reason to "think" they know.
the poster is familiar with this group of people. A group of people LE may not have uncovered in their investigation. A group of people LE may need to question since you think he is with them.
I think if you were to go back and read this forum, you will find many of us believe NF took off on his own. Maybe it is something you said.
imo, jmo, moo
ETA~ How does some one fake being a part of LE and send a pm on this board? To send or receive a pm, you have to be a member and your member name shows up in the sender's name. :shrug: [/*]
First I trust LE to have the info I have and more. Since none of what I've talked about is hidden and since LE as a normal thing checks the clubs I really don't see that they don't know what I'm talking about if they read here.
As to faking someone created an account and claimed to be a sheriff, but didn't bother to give me a badge number or anything else to identify them. Maybe Coldwater should check the ip and if it isn't from KCS report them for impersonation of a police officer. I know vBulletin records the ip of a person setting up an account. So would be easy to trace it and find out if it was really from the KCS.
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
First I trust LE to have the info I have and more. Since none of what I've talked about is hidden and since LE as a normal thing checks the clubs I really don't see that they don't know what I'm talking about if they read here.
As to faking someone created an account and claimed to be a sheriff, but didn't bother to give me a badge number or anything else to identify them. Maybe Coldwater should check the ip and if it isn't from KCS report them for impersonation of a police officer. I know vBulletin records the ip of a person setting up an account. So would be easy to trace it and find out if it was really from the KCS. [/*]
My guess is that the PM was real. LE would have to go to the trouble of getting a warrant if CW or IS wouldn't provide your IP address.
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Also why would you believe they will go to the clubs on one tip? After they refused to drag the lakes?
[/*]
Because you posts are suspicious. That's why I think they will check the clubs. Also, they said they have no reason to believe Nick's body would be found in Panther Lake. They had no indication of that. That is why they aren't dragging it.
SeattleEddie
04-18-2008, 07:20 PM
S_D has insinuated she knows where Nick is hanging out, and knows the people Nick is hanging with.
She knows these things. Hmmmmm. I wonder why LE is interested? Time to put up or shut up. This is not a game.
Silver_Dove
04-18-2008, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by SeattleEddie
S_D has insinuated she knows where Nick is hanging out, and knows the people Nick is hanging with.
She knows these things. Hmmmmm. I wonder why LE is interested? Time to put up or shut up. This is not a game. [/*]
I think it is just time to leave. People have no real news so they are now busy going after anyone who doesn't believe like they do. For some reason it is easier to believe that he is dead then it is that he left the day before Valentines day to join a new partner and is off enjoying the clubs where it is dark and a nice dye job would change his looks. Yes, I do know the club crowd what is so hard to believe about that? I also know people who wouldn't call the cops on a friend who walked out on his wife without telling her. They would figure it was his to deal with since he hasn't broken a law.
I have nothing but a hunch that has been building ever since the day he went missing. Just like all the other people with hunches like his wife offed him, like he is in a body of water etc etc.
Bye Bye
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I think it is just time to leave. People have no real news so they are now busy going after anyone who doesn't believe like they do. For some reason it is easier to believe that he is dead then it is that he left the day before Valentines day to join a new partner and is off enjoying the clubs where it is dark and a nice dye job would change his looks. Yes, I do know the club crowd what is so hard to believe about that? I also know people who wouldn't call the cops on a friend who walked out on his wife without telling her. They would figure it was his to deal with since he hasn't broken a law.
I have nothing but a hunch that has been building ever since the day he went missing. Just like all the other people with hunches like his wife offed him, like he is in a body of water etc etc.
Bye Bye [/*]
I believe it was his wife who mentioned murder and him being in water.
Bye Bye
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hi Inv, me too! This is a great idea, Im all for it.
Why was a PI hired and then we heard nada. I still dont know if a PI was really hired. If his employer did use one, I would have had my own. Harlett do you know was a PI on this case?
CT [/*]
I think one of the people at the sheriff's office confirmed there was a PI? A poster on another board sent an email with a bunch of questions and this was one of them IIRC.
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I just checked CFs blog- and it says she's divorced! Yikes!
fyi only
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 10:27 PM
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=156925559
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 10:31 PM
the link ;
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=156925559
I'm as confused as you-
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
I just checked CFs blog- and it says she's divorced! Yikes!
fyi only [/*]
Yep, I caught that as well...
so CF's new change is "Divorced"....
:read:
Apparently he OR she were served with divorce papers??
ThruTheTrees
04-18-2008, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
I just checked CFs blog- and it says she's divorced! Yikes!
fyi only [/*]
Well that is just bizarre. It takes a minimum of 3 months for a divorce in Washington state, and there have been no divorce proceedings initiated according to court files as of today. At the most, she could be "getting a divorce" but "Divorced"? Nope, unless she means "spiritually" or "in my own head". Sorry but this just creeps me out even more.
ThruTheTrees
04-18-2008, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
That would be public record, seattle courthouse.
CT [/*]
Unless she filed today and it hasn't been recorded yet, nothing is in the public record as of now. I just checked.
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Well that is just bizarre. It takes a minimum of 3 months for a divorce in Washington state, and there have been no divorce proceedings initiated according to court files as of today. At the most, she could be "getting a divorce" but "Divorced"? Nope, unless she means "spiritually" or "in my own head". Sorry but this just creeps me out even more.
I just went over to check to see if this new development was mentioned by the mods over on HFTM and it's not. I wonder if Harlot will post if this changes Nick's status from Missing to Other?
:confused:
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 11:03 PM
Maybe Harlett knows something about this?
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
Maybe Harlett knows something about this?
oops, I spelled her nic wrong, mea culpa. :o
Maybe she does late4dinner, as she has posted here something about having daily contact with her.
I do know that you can just have your lawyers present for the finalization in a divorce, but this must mean GOOD NEWS then, that Nick is alive and well??
ThruTheTrees
04-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Moving on so quick huh. Two things, I could see this if one:
You knew he left you
OR
You want others online to think you are single, available whatever [/*]
That photo definitely says "I'm available."
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:15 PM
well either somebody got served
or somebody got punk'd
:no:
imo
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:24 PM
so does this mean that Nicholas is no longer missing and I can post a
:beer:
that he is safe and sound?
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 11:25 PM
She changed the photo a couple of weeks ago (somewhere in there), and she changed her status within the last few hours. This is all very disturbing to me.
Carol25
04-18-2008, 11:31 PM
You think when he left, she already knew he wanted a divorce and he had already filed? That's why the family has been quiet as well as the police? They figure they will have to go to court and just work it out. She just wanted to put out the dirty laundry for all to see...and find out who the lucky person is....
Obviously she knew this the entire time.......How long does it take for a divorce to become finalized? Anyone shedding tears for her now? Look at all the people she duped. :(
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 11:32 PM
now CF's blog is set to private. Must be reading here.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family, Christine.
need2no
04-18-2008, 11:35 PM
A new blog from Christine-
Trials and Perserverance….
Friday, April 18th
http://thefranciscos.com/
Carol25
04-18-2008, 11:35 PM
I went to look at it too. It was on private before I posted.
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
You think when he left, she already knew he wanted a divorce and he had already filed? That's why the family has been quiet as well as the police? They figure they will have to go to court and just work it out. She just wanted to put out the dirty laundry for all to see...and find out who the lucky person is....
Obviously she knew this the entire time.......How long does it take for a divorce to become finalized? Anyone shedding tears for her now? Look at all the people she duped. :(
Didn't LE report something about after discovering the "double life" that the wife would no longer be speaking to the media?
Maybe something was discovered about a lawyer he retained, or searches done on a DIY divorce online?
But I guess until LE says different, technically he is still a Missing Person.
imo
need2no
04-18-2008, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
I went to look at it too. It was on private before I posted. [/*]
Are you talking about her MySpace or her family blog? I can still read the blog she just posted.
Carol25
04-18-2008, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by need2no
Are you talking about her MySpace or her family blog? I can still read the blog she just posted. [/*]
I t was the one that was posted above my post. Since I didn't get to see either, I don't know what she said about being divorced. Can you see it? How is it phrased?
Carol25
04-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Postergeist
Didn't LE report something about after discovering the "double life" that the wife would no longer be speaking to the media?
Maybe something was discovered about a lawyer he retained, or searches done on a DIY divorce online?
But I guess until LE says different, technically he is still a Missing Person.
imo [/*]
DIY divorce on line? Didn't know there was such a thing. I guess that could be a possibility, but wouldn't that be more like a disillusionment/
Musterion
04-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
You think when he left, she already knew he wanted a divorce and he had already filed? That's why the family has been quiet as well as the police? They figure they will have to go to court and just work it out. She just wanted to put out the dirty laundry for all to see...and find out who the lucky person is....
Obviously she knew this the entire time.......How long does it take for a divorce to become finalized? Anyone shedding tears for her now? Look at all the people she duped. :( [/*]
Hi Carol,
It would already be public record if he had filed in the U.S. when he went missing.
It takes 90 days in Washington State for a divorce to be finalized. Uncontested that is.
And, yes, I am one who sheds tears for her. And for Nicholas and especially for their kids. All of them are victims in one way or another. IMO.
We aren't privy to all the information behind the scenes. Drawing conclusions that she duped people based on an entry on a myspace account that is now not available seems unfair to me. Maybe we should just wait and see. JMO.
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
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I t was the one that was posted above my post. Since I didn't get to see either, I don't know what she said about being divorced. Can you see it? How is it phrased?
I saw it, and it under details
it lists
Status: Divorced
(is Separated not an option on that site?)
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 11:53 PM
In the profile info, it had age, location, divorced. Someone had left a cooment on the needle in the eye incident from a year ago. Nothing of consequence, really.. no clues, no info, nothing to say he is safe.
Postergeist
04-18-2008, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
DIY divorce on line? Didn't know there was such a thing. I guess that could be a possibility, but wouldn't that be more like a disillusionment/
seems to be lots of links on DIY divorce out there
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=do+it+yourself+divorce&btnG=Google+Search
as far as I know today
Nicholas Francisco's status is still as a Missing Person
his wife tho changed her online status on her myspace page to
Divorced.
odd
imo
late4dinner
04-18-2008, 11:57 PM
everything about this case is odd, IMO
RainyNiteNTx
04-18-2008, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi Carol,
It would already be public record if he had filed in the U.S. when he went missing.
It takes 90 days in Washington State for a divorce to be finalized. Uncontested that is.
And, yes, I am one who sheds tears for her. And for Nicholas and especially for their kids. All of them are victims in one way or another. IMO.
We aren't privy to all the information behind the scenes. Drawing conclusions that she duped people based on an entry on a myspace account that is now not available seems unfair to me. Maybe we should just wait and see. JMO. [/*]
Hi Musterion
Earlier tonight her status said "Married" - then it said "Divorced" - now it is set to private so no one can view it. As far as we know, Nicholas is still missing and foul play has not been ruled out. I find it disrespectful, but so many things she has done, I have found disrespectful to him.
need2no
04-18-2008, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
everything about this case is odd, IMO [/*]
Amen to that!
Postergeist
04-19-2008, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi Musterion
Earlier tonight her status said "Married" - then it said "Divorced" - now it is set to private so no one can view it. As far as we know, Nicholas is still missing and foul play has not been ruled out. I find it disrespectful, but so many things she has done, I have found disrespectful to him.
Hi ya Rainy! I've been meaning to get to bed for the last hour but was hoping for some other verification from the poster that has been working with her in the search.
Guess that'll have to wait for another day.
My thoughts and prayers and hope are still with Nicholas that he is found safe and of course the children, and no matter what CF's "status" is (divorced, single, widowed, married) she's been asking for answers for the past two months both online and thru the media that Nicholas be found.
I hope he will be.
:rose:
'nite
Carol25
04-19-2008, 12:19 AM
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi Carol,
It would already be public record if he had filed in the U.S. when he went missing.
It takes 90 days in Washington State for a divorce to be finalized. Uncontested that is.
And, yes, I am one who sheds tears for her. And for Nicholas and especially for their kids. All of them are victims in one way or another. IMO.
We aren't privy to all the information behind the scenes. Drawing conclusions that she duped people based on an entry on a myspace account that is now not available seems unfair to me. Maybe we should just wait and see. JMO. [/*]
You are absolutely right, Musterion. We should wait and see. But what happens if she was contesting it? Then later for some reason decided not to contest it?
Another question, we don't know when Nicholas filed for divorce. It could have been January. Then she just got her notification today and it will appear in the newspaper within a week or so?
From Reading her other blog and her verse from James, it appears she;s has now has accepted the tragedy of a fractured marriage and has her faith help her cope and move forward. I was very pleased to see this. If my earlier assumptions were right, she has come a very long way in a short period of time.
But then again, my earlier assumptions could have been very wrong. Thanks, Musterion.
Musterion
04-19-2008, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi Musterion
Earlier tonight her status said "Married" - then it said "Divorced" - now it is set to private so no one can view it. As far as we know, Nicholas is still missing and foul play has not been ruled out. I find it disrespectful, but so many things she has done, I have found disrespectful to him. [/*]
Hi Rainy!
I realize that the status was changed and now it is private. I don't know why any of that is. I just give her the benefit of the doubt. I can understand her setting her myspace to private.
I can't say that I see she has been disrespectful to Nicholas. I know you come from a different angle. I just don't know what she knows, what LE knows. Not knowing that I am just careful to try not to sum up her actions or behaviours. If info that we don't know suggests NF is likely alive and LE and CF strongly suspect that then maybe her actions would have more sympathy. But, we don't know. We just don't know. JMO.
And, as always, Rainy, I respect you even if I disagree with your view!!
Carol25
04-19-2008, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
I'm not feeling the love, man. !!
I would never attempt to divorce someone I spent 7 yrs with, after 2 mos time; when intially all the intv said he was dead, she was sure of it. I dont have any proof of any "secret" life. And I dont know that LE does either. That's speculation to me. As with other "investigations" I have to put the spouses "claims" in it's very own special file. Sometimes, it's the black file.
:shrug:
:read:
I need concrete info, taxes. Did he file on the 15th? I'd like to know, that. [/*]
Velly, velly interesting, Miss Sleuth! Good question! (probably filed in January!) :(
Musterion
04-19-2008, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
I'm not feeling the love, man. !!
I would never attempt to divorce someone I spent 7 yrs with, after 2 mos time; when intially all the intv said he was dead, she was sure of it. I dont have any proof of any "secret" life. And I dont know that LE does either. That's speculation to me. As with other "investigations" I have to put the spouses "claims" in it's very own special file. Sometimes, it's the black file.
:shrug:
:read:
I need concrete info, taxes. Did he file on the 15th? I'd like to know, that. [/*]
Hi Cat!!
I don't see any contradictions in initially saying that she thought he was dead and to what she is saying now. JMO.
I do think if there is a chance that he is alive, it might be in her best interest to file for divorce. If he can't be found then the divorce would be uncontested and whatever she has asked for would more than likely be granted.
I am thinking of child custody. Sole custody. If NF did leave her and their children, it would be in her best interest and theirs to have orders in place that protects them from being taken from their mother without her consent. If NF did leave and no one ever expected it from him, my thought would be to protect my children from being taken away from me. Without an order in place for CF having sole custody, NF could take them, legally, at any time. As a mom, I would take these steps if I had any inkling he left us, because my children and their welfare would be my first concern. JMO.
field of snow
04-19-2008, 01:01 AM
I'm sorry, it's just really odd for a spouse in an ****Active Missing Persons Case*** to change marital status on an online social website profile. She has updated her blog at thefranciscos.com to state that he is still missing and she is still looking for him. There isn't a separated option, but why change it if he is still missing and she can't find him?
If he is still missing, are we supposed to be "rounding him up" so she can punish him for doing whatever he did to her in this so-called secret life?
desmom
04-19-2008, 01:05 AM
I am playing catch up here and maybe I am confused...
CF reports NF missing.
CF cries to the press "these children will not have a father" and "this unborn baby will not have a father"
CF receives $$$$$ from that craft board place.
CF announces she is going to lose the house and be forced to file bankruptcy even though Publicis was still issuing NF's paychecks.
CF states she was able to make March and April's house payment.
CF begs for a house with X # bedrooms + a den.
CF receives a house with X # bedrooms + a den.
CF moves out of the family home to the free home.
CF has never posted a picture of her missing husband on her myspace account.
CF stated her account at that craft board place would re-open shortly and it would be her only source of income.
CF's myspace account stated earlier this evening her marital status is divorced.
CF's myspace account is not set on private.
Did I miss anything? TIA
desmom
04-19-2008, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by SlickLime
When NF first went missing, I was taken aback by the blatant push for donations. Something about this never sounded right to me. I could be completely wrong, but honestly believe CF knows a whole lot more than she is revealing to the public and LE.
IMO, LE knows more than they are revealing to us. Which I would thoroughly expect.
Too much of this case doesn't ring true from CF.
JMHO [/*]
Welcome aboard to the skeptic boat float. You, me and a whole boatload of folks have had the same thoughts.
jmo
Silver_Dove,
Where are you? Are you aware of CF's new marital status?
Nellie
04-19-2008, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Myspace page doesnt list her as being a sahm any more either, but a business owner, sole proprietor type of info......under Degree Other, yet College Degree. Divorced.
She wasn't making any money to support herself in this endeavour and I am amazed that she isnt "out there" finding a way to really provide in the best way for three children.
That's disturbing! Who's going to provide for these kids, the state/gov?
Where is Nicholas Francisco??
CT [/*]
new hubby????
SeattleEddie
04-19-2008, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by desmom
Welcome aboard to the skeptic boat float. You, me and a whole boatload of folks have had the same thoughts.
jmo [/*]
What desmom said. ITA
SeattleEddie
04-19-2008, 06:04 AM
body found Friday afternoon in Tukwila, very close to SeaTac. It was found near water.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359811_body19.html
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by inv
Silver_Dove,
Where are you? Are you aware of CF's new marital status? [/*]
SilverDove stated it was time for her to go. I found her timing a little too convenient.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by SeattleEddie
body found Friday afternoon in Tukwila, very close to SeaTac. It was found near water.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359811_body19.html [/*]
And now we wait.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi Cat!!
I don't see any contradictions in initially saying that she thought he was dead and to what she is saying now. JMO.
I do think if there is a chance that he is alive, it might be in her best interest to file for divorce. If he can't be found then the divorce would be uncontested and whatever she has asked for would more than likely be granted.
I am thinking of child custody. Sole custody. If NF did leave her and their children, it would be in her best interest and theirs to have orders in place that protects them from being taken from their mother without her consent. If NF did leave and no one ever expected it from him, my thought would be to protect my children from being taken away from me. Without an order in place for CF having sole custody, NF could take them, legally, at any time. As a mom, I would take these steps if I had any inkling he left us, because my children and their welfare would be my first concern. JMO. [/*]
If she has no idea where he could be (as stated on her blog), how could he be served with divorce papers?
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hmmmmmmmmm Nope I dont think so; except that she also claims that he has a "secret life" that's all I can think of.
Then there is the Water thing. And the murder/dead thing. And the constant changing of HER photos on her pages, never Nick...
Am sorry, it just has never seemed to me that Nick was the focus here, no one is worried about HIM. I AM. :rose:
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [/*]
Its never been about Nicholas - never. Its been about her and continues to be about her. That is why I have posted several times that I hope someone stumbles upon his body if he is dead because no one seems to be looking for him. I hope to goodness if I ever go missing that my family never acts the way his family has acted. If he was treated with this little respect while he was alive by all those who are supposed to love him, I understand him walking away.
Hi folks,
IIRC, this is not the first time she changes something on her MySpace and then sets it to private. Didn't she do this before? Why doesn't she just leave it as private? Why the back and forth? This is just so bizarre. :shrug:
I wonder if she's sending messages to Nicholas or someone else.
Praying the body found in Tukwila is not Nicholas and that he's alive and safe. :rose:
I noticed she used the word "revealed" again in her blog. God has already revealed some of His glory already and not to dwell on the past. <paraphrasing>
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by n/t
Hi folks,
IIRC, this is not the first time she changes something on her MySpace and then sets it to private. Didn't she do this before? Why doesn't she just leave it as private? Why the back and forth? This is just so bizarre. :shrug:
I wonder if she's sending messages to Nicholas or someone else.
Praying the body found in Tukwila is not Nicholas and that he's alive and safe. :rose: [/*]
IMO If Christine spent as much time on her business as she spent playing games on the internet, she might not have to depend on internet strangers for income.
Danette44
04-19-2008, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
IMO If Christine spent as much time on her business as she spent playing games on the internet, she might not have to depend on internet strangers for income. [/*]
Good Morning Rainy - just read everything from last night. It really does seem she is playing head games - and as she states on her support blog, she doesn't care what people are saying about her. I pray Nicholas is alive and, with her stating she is divorced now - may be telling us he is. But, I still fall back on foul play. jmoo
Maybe Harlett can clarify for us. Why would Christine say divorced if Nick is still missing? It doesn't make any sense.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Danette44
Good Morning Rainy - just read everything from last night. It really does seem she is playing head games - and as she states on her support blog, she doesn't care what people are saying about her. I pray Nicholas is alive and, with her stating she is divorced now - may be telling us he is. But, I still fall back on foul play. jmoo [/*]
Hey Danette - until LE rules out foul play, then it is still a possibility and should be treated as such IMO.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by n/t
Maybe Harlett can clarify for us. Why would Christine say divorced if Nick is still missing? It doesn't make any sense. [/*]
Morning n/t - do you know if Nick's pictures have been removed from the missing webpages, such as Harlett's site?
Danette44
04-19-2008, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hey Danette - until LE rules out foul play, then it is still a possibility and should be treated as such IMO. [/*]
I agree Rainy - what still baffles me about this case is if, Nicholas did file for diverce back in Jan. why would he leave a good job? I think he could of transferred it and got away from "that woman", but still have contact w/children. Thats why I still look at foul play - he would of come out by now. But than there is MHC. jmo
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Morning n/t - do you know if Nick's pictures have been removed from the missing webpages, such as Harlett's site? [/*]
I don't know. I'm not a member on Harlett's site, maybe someone else who's a member there can check.
As for the others, I haven't checked. Will do now.
Shelby1
04-19-2008, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Postergeist
Yep, I caught that as well...
so CF's new change is "Divorced"....
:read:
Apparently he OR she were served with divorce papers?? [/*]
:eek:
Divorced????
Wow.
Just wow.
Rainy, AMW still has him listed as missing and so does WASPC.
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/brief.cfm?id=53372
http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895
Danette44
04-19-2008, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by n/t
I don't know. I'm not a member on Harlett's site, maybe someone else who's a member there can check.
As for the others, I haven't checked. Will do now. [/*]
Nothing is posted on Harlett's site about any of this news, I'm not a member but can read their bloggs. Hope LE will make a comment about this story soon - so perhaps we can put this story to rest and know Nicholas is safe and sound.
Originally posted by Danette44
Nothing is posted on Harlett's site about any of this news, I'm not a member but can read their bloggs. Hope LE will make a comment about this story soon - so perhaps we can put this story to rest and know Nicholas is safe and sound. [/*]
I agree, Danette.
I was just looking over on the links thread and this site was posted by CT. I'm assuming this was Nick's online business and noticed the price listed is $50.00 for a logo design.
I'm wondering if the alleged secret paypal account was indeed for his online business and he kept this money hidden from Christine for whatever reason.
I just found it ineresting because that was the amount he withdrew the day he disappeared.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=9411069
This etsy thread was closed again.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5572559&page=7
Also interesting is that he created this online business on Feb 3/08. 10 days later, he goes missing.
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152
Danette44
04-19-2008, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by n/t
Also interesting is that he created this online business on Feb 3/08. 10 days later, he goes missing.
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]
Thats why I just can't see him walking away - his actions before he came missing shows no signs of leaving.
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
SilverDove stated it was time for her to go. I found her timing a little too convenient. [/*]
Same here. I guess the warmth of it all was to unbearable for the poor soul. I think it's gonna get a whole lot hotter.
desmom
04-19-2008, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by n/t
I was just looking over on the links thread and this site was posted by CT. I'm assuming this was Nick's online business and noticed the price listed is $50.00 for a logo design.
I'm wondering if the alleged secret paypal account was indeed for his online business and he kept this money hidden from Christine for whatever reason.
I just found it ineresting because that was the amount he withdrew the day he disappeared.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=9411069 [/*]
Great find n/t!
Musterion
04-19-2008, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
If she has no idea where he could be (as stated on her blog), how could he be served with divorce papers? [/*]
Good morning, Rainy!
You can serve divorce papers to the last known residence and/or workplace of the respondent. They have a certain amount of time to respond. If they don't respond the case goes before the judge, the judge makes the determination based on what is known. IMO.
I'm not saying this is or was done in this case. Just that it can be done. IMO.
desmom
04-19-2008, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by n/t
Also interesting is that he created this online business on Feb 3/08. 10 days later, he goes missing.
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]
Maybe someone set up the account for him as a surprise.
Musterion
04-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by desmom
I am playing catch up here and maybe I am confused...
CF reports NF missing.
CF cries to the press "these children will not have a father" and "this unborn baby will not have a father"
CF receives $$$$$ from that craft board place.
CF announces she is going to lose the house and be forced to file bankruptcy even though Publicis was still issuing NF's paychecks.
CF states she was able to make March and April's house payment.
CF begs for a house with X # bedrooms + a den.
CF receives a house with X # bedrooms + a den.
CF moves out of the family home to the free home.
CF has never posted a picture of her missing husband on her myspace account.
CF stated her account at that craft board place would re-open shortly and it would be her only source of income.
CF's myspace account stated earlier this evening her marital status is divorced.
CF's myspace account is not set on private.
Did I miss anything? TIA [/*]
Hi Desmom,
While I do believe that it is part of a missing person's investigation to watch and question the SO, I also believe that putting things into the context in which they happened is critical.
Each thing stated in this post, if the context was given with it, may not seem quite as sinister.
So, yes, I do think something is missing. Context. JMO.
Originally posted by Musterion
Good morning, Rainy!
You can serve divorce papers to the last known residence and/or workplace of the respondent. They have a certain amount of time to respond. If they don't respond the case goes before the judge, the judge makes the determination based on what is known. IMO.
I'm not saying this is or was done in this case. Just that it can be done. IMO. [/*]
Hi - see the link below.
http://www.washingtondivorceservice.com/resources.htm
In the bottom right hand corner of the page, there is a section called "I can't locate my spouse - can I still get divorced?" It seems like you have to put a notice in the local papers "looking for your spouse" before you can be granted the divorce.
We had to do this when we were adopting a child and the birth father had disappeared. We had to advertise looking for him for 6 weeks. He did not respond so we could proceed without his consent.
Originally posted by AMS
Hi - see the link below.
http://www.washingtondivorceservice.com/resources.htm
In the bottom right hand corner of the page, there is a section called "I can't locate my spouse - can I still get divorced?" It seems like you have to put a notice in the local papers "looking for your spouse" before you can be granted the divorce.
We had to do this when we were adopting a child and the birth father had disappeared. We had to advertise looking for him for 6 weeks. He did not respond so we could proceed without his consent. [/*]
Maybe someone should check the legal notices in the Seattle papers to see if this is happening.
Musterion
04-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by AMS
Hi - see the link below.
http://www.washingtondivorceservice.com/resources.htm
In the bottom right hand corner of the page, there is a section called "I can't locate my spouse - can I still get divorced?" It seems like you have to put a notice in the local papers "looking for your spouse" before you can be granted the divorce.
We had to do this when we were adopting a child and the birth father had disappeared. We had to advertise looking for him for 6 weeks. He did not respond so we could proceed without his consent. [/*]
You're exactly right. I don't know if that was/is being done in this case. But, it can be done. JMO.
Originally posted by Musterion
You're exactly right. I don't know if that was/is being done in this case. But, it can be done. JMO. [/*]
Yeah, I am not saying this is happening...just that it can be done. Like you say Musterion.
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Hi folks,
IIRC, this is not the first time she changes something on her MySpace and then sets it to private. Didn't she do this before? Why doesn't she just leave it as private? Why the back and forth? This is just so bizarre. :shrug:
I wonder if she's sending messages to Nicholas or someone else.
Praying the body found in Tukwila is not Nicholas and that he's alive and safe. :rose: [/*]
IMO, I think somebody has a little too much time on their hands! Somebody seems to enjoy playing cat and mouse!
Somebody seems to enjoy stirring the pot to give posters something new to talk about.
Unfortunately, it just goes to show that the main focus isn't a missing husband/father. Sad!
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi Cat!!
I don't see any contradictions in initially saying that she thought he was dead and to what she is saying now. JMO.
I do think if there is a chance that he is alive, it might be in her best interest to file for divorce. If he can't be found then the divorce would be uncontested and whatever she has asked for would more than likely be granted.
I am thinking of child custody. Sole custody. If NF did leave her and their children, it would be in her best interest and theirs to have orders in place that protects them from being taken from their mother without her consent. If NF did leave and no one ever expected it from him, my thought would be to protect my children from being taken away from me. Without an order in place for CF having sole custody, NF could take them, legally, at any time. As a mom, I would take these steps if I had any inkling he left us, because my children and their welfare would be my first concern. JMO. [/*]
You are absolutely correct in your thinking... Christine has filed for a divorce. There are many reasons for doing this, it was necessary for legal reasons.
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
You are absolutely correct in your thinking... Christine has filed for a divorce. There are many reasons for doing this, it was necessary for legal reasons. [/*]
So does this mean he's alive and she knows where he is?
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
If she has no idea where he could be (as stated on her blog), how could he be served with divorce papers? [/*]
He does not have to be served... A notice has to be published in the newspapers for a certain period of time.. if there is no answer the divorce will be granted.
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by n/t
So does this mean he's alive and she knows where he is? [/*]
Not at all.. Nicholas is still a missing person.
desmom
04-19-2008, 02:01 PM
Can anyone think of a missing person case when the spouse filed for a divorce while their s/o was still missing?
:confused:
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Not at all.. Nicholas is still a missing person. [/*]
Well ain't that special. Filing for divorce when you're husband is still missing or may be dead. I think that would be the last thing on my mind if someone I loved was missing.
She said she's still searching for Nicholas. Why? She obviously made up her mind, imo.
Is she playing some sort of game? This is ridiculous, imo.
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Not at all.. Nicholas is still a missing person. [/*]
Now I understand why there haven't been any searches, why she didn't attend vigils, why she didn't pound the dirt looking for him, why she stopped doing media interviews, why she moved out 6 weeks later and 8 weeks later she files for a divorce.
In my opinion, she knew all along.
Wow. Just wow.
Oh and one more thing, now I know why she never had Nick's picture on her my space.
IMO!
Shelby1
04-19-2008, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Well ain't that special. Filing for divorce when you're husband is still missing or may be dead. I think that would be the last thing on my mind if someone I loved was missing.
She said she's still searching for Nicholas. Why? She obviously made up her mind, imo.
Is she playing some sort of game? This is ridiculous, imo. [/*]
It certainly does send mixed signals.
It's only been a couple of months, why would there be a reason to do it so soon if at all?
If it's a case of making sure you get sole custody of the kids, then you must be pretty sure that he's still alive and I would think that you'd quit asking for help finding him.
Maybe someone can help me understand the legal reasons.
Originally posted by desmom
Can anyone think of a missing person case when the spouse filed for a divorce while their s/o was still missing?
:confused: [/*]
No, I don't remember off hand of any case where the spouse is missing and the other one asks for a divorce, however I did think of Tara Grant. IIRC, she wanted a divorce and well, I think most of you know what happened to poor Tara. :(
Originally posted by Shelby1
It certainly does send mixed signals.
It's only been a couple of months, why would there be a reason to do it so soon if at all?
If it's a case of making sure you get sole custody of the kids, then you must be pretty sure that he's still alive and I would think that you'd quit asking for help finding him.
Maybe someone can help me understand the legal reasons. [/*]
This is from Musterion's post but it only indicates IF Nicholas did leave. As far as we know, there is no proof whatsover that he left voluntarily OR if he is a victim of foul play. LE hasn't confirmed that. Last we heard, they had no proof he left voluntarily. Unless I missed something. If he left voluntarily why is he still listed as missing.
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi Cat!!
I don't see any contradictions in initially saying that she thought he was dead and to what she is saying now. JMO.
I do think if there is a chance that he is alive, it might be in her best interest to file for divorce. If he can't be found then the divorce would be uncontested and whatever she has asked for would more than likely be granted.
I am thinking of child custody. Sole custody. If NF did leave her and their children, it would be in her best interest and theirs to have orders in place that protects them from being taken from their mother without her consent. If NF did leave and no one ever expected it from him, my thought would be to protect my children from being taken away from me. Without an order in place for CF having sole custody, NF could take them, legally, at any time. As a mom, I would take these steps if I had any inkling he left us, because my children and their welfare would be my first concern. JMO. [/*]
Musterion
04-19-2008, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Well ain't that special. Filing for divorce when you're husband is still missing or may be dead. I think that would be the last thing on my mind if someone I loved was missing.
She said she's still searching for Nicholas. Why? She obviously made up her mind, imo.
Is she playing some sort of game? This is ridiculous, imo. [/*]
Hi n/t,
LE has said that they uncovered a secret life that Nicholas was leading. We don't know what that was.
You are saying that filing for divorce would be the last thing on your mind, but would it be if your SO had a secret life that you hadn't known about? What if that life was something that could threaten your children's well being? Wouldn't that, maybe, make you move to do something on their behalf? To protect them? IMO.
Originally posted by Shelby1
It certainly does send mixed signals.
It's only been a couple of months, why would there be a reason to do it so soon if at all?
If it's a case of making sure you get sole custody of the kids, then you must be pretty sure that he's still alive and I would think that you'd quit asking for help finding him.
Maybe someone can help me understand the legal reasons. [/*]
I suppose it is possible that someone would do this so they do not have to assume the financial debt of the spouse or something along those lines.
Originally posted by AMS
I suppose it is possible that someone would do this so they do not have to assume the financial debt of the spouse or something along those lines. [/*]
But I thought she was filing for bankruptcy? Wouldn't that take care of all her debts including any marital debts they had together?
MystryPhobia
04-19-2008, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Not at all.. Nicholas is still a missing person. [/*]
Hi Harlett.
I was wondering if you had heard about the body found on the river bank in Tukwila on Friday.
Tukwila is the city right next to the SeaTac area to the north.
I haven't heard much about it.. other than some kayakers found the body on the river about 4pm Friday. They said on the news last night that it appeared the body had been there for some time but I can not find any other info about it.
I couldn't sleep last night thinking that it could be Nicholas. I am having severe internet problems right now and Comcast says it will be next Monday before they can be here but have been checking in to see and haven't see ANYONE mention anything about it.
http://www.tukwilablog.com/2008/04/19/dead-body-found-on-duwamish-river-bank-friday/
Musterion
04-19-2008, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Shelby1
It certainly does send mixed signals.
It's only been a couple of months, why would there be a reason to do it so soon if at all?
If it's a case of making sure you get sole custody of the kids, then you must be pretty sure that he's still alive and I would think that you'd quit asking for help finding him.
Maybe someone can help me understand the legal reasons. [/*]
It doesn't necessarily mean that you are sure he is alive. IMO. It, to me, means that if there is a possibility then I'd better not take any chances with the safety of my children. We don't know the extent of what LE has found regarding a secret life.
Legally, meaning that if NF is alive, comes back for his children, takes them and there is no court order in place that CF has sole custody, then NF does not have to return them. He would have as much right to them as CF. JMO.
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi n/t,
LE has said that they uncovered a secret life that Nicholas was leading. We don't know what that was.
You are saying that filing for divorce would be the last thing on your mind, but would it be if your SO had a secret life that you hadn't known about? What if that life was something that could threaten your children's well being? Wouldn't that, maybe, make you move to do something on their behalf? To protect them? IMO. [/*]
You are correct. We don't know what that secret life is. IF it was something that I believed threatened my childrens well being, I sure as heck wouldn't be looking for him. I'd pick up and run as fast as I could. That doesn't seem to be the case here though. She posted she was moving and that became public knowledge and she posted she was divorced and that also became public knowledge so in my opinion, whatever Nick's secret life is, doesn't sound like it's something very threatening to her or their children.
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Hi Harlett.
I was wondering if you had heard about the body found on the river bank in Tukwila on Friday.
Tukwila is the city right next to the SeaTac area to the north.
I haven't heard much about it.. other than some kayakers found the body on the river about 4pm Friday. They said on the news last night that it appeared the body had been there for some time but I can not find any other info about it.
I couldn't sleep last night thinking that it could be Nicholas. I am having severe internet problems right now and Comcast says it will be next Monday before they can be here but have been checking in to see and haven't see ANYONE mention anything about it.
http://www.tukwilablog.com/2008/04/19/dead-body-found-on-duwamish-river-bank-friday/ [/*]
I saw that this morning... I haven't found out any more about it since.
Originally posted by Musterion
It doesn't necessarily mean that you are sure he is alive. IMO. It, to me, means that if there is a possibility then I'd better not take any chances with the safety of my children. We don't know the extent of what LE has found regarding a secret life.
Legally, meaning that if NF is alive, comes back for his children, takes them and there is no court order in place that CF has sole custody, then NF does not have to return them. He would have as much right to them as CF. JMO. [/*]
And? He's still their father. He should have the right to his children. Let's for the sake of discussion, he left because he just needed to take a break, depressed or stressed from everyday life and felt overwhelmed so needed to clear his head , what gives her the right to take his kids away from him? It's only been a little over 2 months!!!!!!! I could understand if it was maybe a year later but 2 months??? She moved out after 6 weeks.
Come on. There is nothing to indicate he was leading a dangerous secret life.
MystryPhobia
04-19-2008, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by n/t
And? He's still their father. He should have the right to his children. Let's for the sake of discussion, he left because he just needed to take a break, depressed or stressed from everyday life and felt overwhelmed so needed to clear his head , what gives her the right to take his kids away from him? It's only been a little over 2 months!!!!!!! I could understand if it was maybe a year later but 2 months??? She moved out after 6 weeks.
Come on. There is nothing to indicate he was leading a dangerous secret life. [/*]
I hate to disagree n/t but I think that abandonment of your children is taken very seriously and for a 2 and a 4 year old.. 2 months has to seem like an eternity. I really don't see how a year would be any different than 2 months. If he is okay and did that to him then... no, IMO he doesn't have any rights to his children... but he still needs to provide financially for them whether he likes it or not.
Originally posted by MystryPhobia
I hate to disagree n/t but I think that abandonment of your children is taken very seriously and for a 2 and a 4 year old.. 2 months has to seem like an eternity. I really don't see how a year would be any different than 2 months. If he is okay and did that to him then... no, IMO he doesn't have any rights to his children... but he still needs to provide financially for them whether he likes it or not. [/*]
That's the problem I have mystry. I don't think he abandoned those kids and there's something very very scary about all of this.
You don't go from being a wonderful dad who baked cookies with his daughter, tucked them to bed, made coffee for the wife, built a work area for the wife, started an online business 10 days before he disappeared (BTW Christine posted on that site) to this low life deadbeat dad who just took off on them with $50.00 in his pocket.
It makes no sense. Something stinks.
Carol25
04-19-2008, 03:29 PM
In my opinion only three things could have happened here,
1. He file in January and then :had just had it one night " and left.
2. She filed at the same time she was saying what a wonderful husband he was and feared for his life. Seems so incongruent here.
3. She isn't divorced. She just filed, but considers herself divorced.
Would a judge grant the divorce on grounds of abandonement when he had heard her say on tv she didn't say he has abandoned them, something happened and she thought he was dead?
Divorce action would prohibit him from piling up bills that she would be responsible for and possibly give her more information from LE on his "secret life" and whereabouts to sue him for child support. I don't think there would be a question about her having custody unless there's something in her background that is questionable such as drugs or mental health.
Musterion
04-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by n/t
And? He's still their father. He should have the right to his children. Let's for the sake of discussion, he left because he just needed to take a break, depressed or stressed from everyday life and felt overwhelmed so needed to clear his head , what gives her the right to take his kids away from him? It's only been a little over 2 months!!!!!!! I could understand if it was maybe a year later but 2 months??? She moved out after 6 weeks.
Come on. There is nothing to indicate he was leading a dangerous secret life. [/*]
Hi n/t,
I know that this is a highly emotional case for many of us. I understand that. I think the level of caring by many people is wonderful.
You said there's nothing to indicate he was leading a dangerous secret life. LE has indicated that he was leading a secret life. That it was not illegal. Am I wrong that you do not believe LE found anything or that they said this? I'm trying to understand your point of view, n/t.
JMO.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 03:31 PM
I just dont understand, unless she knows for sure that he is ok then how could she file for divorce.
It is strange.......
Could she not get a custody order without filing for divorce?
As for the house, her name is on the deed as well, so if she is filing bankruptsy then don't see the big deal there.
Carol25
04-19-2008, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by greeneyez78
I just dont understand, unless she knows for sure that he is ok then how could she file for divorce.
It is strange.......
Could she not get a custody order without filing for divorce?
As for the house, her name is on the deed as well, so if she is filing bankruptsy then don't see the big deal there. [/*]
When both names are on the house, how does that affect the bankruptcy when one doesn'r show up? Could that be the reason for a "fast" divorce?
Musterion
04-19-2008, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by n/t
That's the problem I have mystry. I don't think he abandoned those kids and there's something very very scary about all of this.
You don't go from being a wonderful dad who baked cookies with his daughter, tucked them to bed, made coffee for the wife, built a work area for the wife, started an online business 10 days before he disappeared (BTW Christine posted on that site) to this low life deadbeat dad who just took off on them with $50.00 in his pocket.
It makes no sense. Something stinks. [/*]
It doesn't make sense. And maybe he wasn't planning on disappearing at all. And he still could be a victim of a random crime.
I think, though, if we read back through case files of people who have been arrested and tried for crimes, we would see the shock and dismay of their families when confronted with the fact that their loved one was capable of what they are accused of.
Many people hide their secret lives or criminal lives for years without anyone knowing. Many times I've read what a good husband or father, etc., that their families reported they were. And it makes absolutely no sense. JMO.
Originally posted by Musterion
Hi n/t,
I know that this is a highly emotional case for many of us. I understand that. I think the level of caring by many people is wonderful.
You said there's nothing to indicate he was leading a dangerous secret life. LE has indicated that he was leading a secret life. That it was not illegal. Am I wrong that you do not believe LE found anything or that they said this? I'm trying to understand your point of view, n/t.
JMO. [/*]
I was referring to your post earlier about Christine protecting her children from threat and for safety (I'm paraphrasing your post cuz I don't recall your exact words). IMO, if she felt threatened she wouldn't reveal all that she has on public boards, like her moving and when she was moving and her divorce status on my space. Therefore, I conclude and assume from what was posted by Christine that there is nothing to suggest that this so called secret life was anything dangerous nor threatening to Christine or their children. If she's still "searching" for him, that's another clue that he's not a threat.
IMO!
Musterion
04-19-2008, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Carol25
Would a judge grant the divorce on grounds of abandonement when he had heard her say on tv she didn't say he has abandoned them, something happened and she thought he was dead? [/*]
A judge, IMO, would look at the grounds on the petition in front of him and the evidence brought in by the petitioner. If the respondent did not show, more than likely, the divorce would be granted to the petitioner and since the respondent was a no show there would be no evidence presented from that side.
Unless the divorce is contested there would be no reason that evidence would be brought in regarding Christine's statements in public. And, IMO, her statements at the beginning of Nicholas' disappearance only add to her defense and would not hurt her in any way legally. JMO.
Musterion
04-19-2008, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by n/t
I was referring to your post earlier about Christine protecting her children from threat and for safety (I'm paraphrasing your post cuz I don't recall your exact words). IMO, if she felt threatened she wouldn't reveal all that she has on public boards, like her moving and when she was moving and her divorce status on my space. Therefore, I conclude and assume from what was posted by Christine that there is nothing to suggest that this so called secret life was anything dangerous nor threatening to Christine or their children. If she's still "searching" for him, that's another clue that he's not a threat.
IMO! [/*]
Ok, I think I see what you're saying!
I would agree with you if she had posted her new address. In my mind stating 'divorced' wouldn't have any bearing on safety issues.
It seems to me that she has taken steps to ensure her and her children's safety. From moving to an undisclosed location to taking most personal pictures and info off of the web.
Searching for him is the right thing to do, no matter what, IMO. Because the children need to know what happened to him for them to have some concrete sense of why he is gone. Finding him, if he is alive, doesn't mean he will know where they are. But, finding him, if he is alive, will make him take responsibility financially for the children he helped create. If he is alive he owes them that. IMO.
SeattleEddie
04-19-2008, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Musterion
It doesn't make sense. And maybe he wasn't planning on disappearing at all. And he still could be a victim of a random crime.
I think, though, if we read back through case files of people who have been arrested and tried for crimes, we would see the shock and dismay of their families when confronted with the fact that their loved one was capable of what they are accused of.
Many people hide their secret lives or criminal lives for years without anyone knowing. Many times I've read what a good husband or father, etc., that their families reported they were. And it makes absolutely no sense. JMO. [/*]
It's dishonest to insinuate that Nicholas was leading a secret life that was or could be dangerous or depraved or harmful.
There is absolutely no evidence that the so-called "secret life" could be dangerous to wife or children, and it has clearly been stated that it was not illegal.
It's dishonest to raise the spectre of nefarious goings-on, without evidence. It's defaming the name of someone who cannot speak for himself (for whatever reason) and cannot defend himself. It's shameful.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by SeattleEddie
It's dishonest to insinuate that Nicholas was leading a secret life that was or could be dangerous or depraved or harmful.
There is absolutely no evidence that the so-called "secret life" could be dangerous to wife or children, and it has clearly been stated that it was not illegal.
It's dishonest to raise the spectre of nefarious goings-on, without evidence. It's defaming the name of someone who cannot speak for himself (for whatever reason) and cannot defend himself. It's shameful. [/*]
All I have to say about this post is :beer: :beer: :beer:
Amazing way to put it, it is sad people are talking about Nicholas like he is or was a dog...is very sickening. JMO
We have absolutely no clue about what the secret/double life is, we do know that it is not illegal per LE. The only thing I have seen online of Nicholas has given me the opinion he is a good man, husband, father. ...Anyone have any links that show anything different?????
I have seen links posted, and words from other mouths involved in this case though that do not IMO give the same impression.
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 05:24 PM
:eek: DIVORCE?
I'm confused!
The wife has said since day one that she thought he was dead. Not only did she THINK he was dead, but she was absolutely convinced he was dead - maybe in or near water! Why the need to file for a divorce now? How can he come back from the dead and try to take her kids? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Now, even if he made a conscious decision to leave he could NOT just come back from hiatus and take away her kids. It is NOT that easy. What? Is she afraid he's just gonna pop up one day and ask for his kids? How? He doesn't even know where she lives, does he? Not that it would be too difficult to find her I'm sure, but still! She has been the primary care giver of those kids. She could tell him no; she could contact LE as they are aware of the situation; she could go to court.
desmom
04-19-2008, 05:31 PM
Secret Life - http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476
His wife is now publically saying that Nicholas was leading a “secret life” and that leads us even further away from a foul play theory.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2096274&postcount=135
I have said there is evidence of certain activities (not illegal) that Nicholas was involved in and Christine was not aware of those. However in many relationships that can be the case, and doesn’t positively validate one theory or another.
This "secret life" could be anything NF opted to not share with his wife. Maybe he was into some sport some would consider dangerous; decided he did not like the Ad business and wanted to switch careers; the "secret" paypal account....
IMO, anyone that is married and believes they know everything about their s/o is foolish.
desmom
04-19-2008, 05:32 PM
Couldn't CF apply for custody of the children without filing for a divorce?
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 05:39 PM
Hi Musterion! I guess I'm still confused.
If Nick is dead, then he can't reply to the ad in the paper, and certainly would not be of any threat or harm to CF or the kids.
If Nick is not dead, but is in harms way, then he will be losing his children because he did not/was unable to answer the ad.
That leaves Nick walking off. Christine has stated repeatedly that he would not just walk out on them, but she feels he was murdered. No one knows what the secret is - all we do know is that LE said it was nothing illegal.
I have never ever followed a missing person's case where the spouse filed for a divorce after two months. I cannot even imagine the fallout if Christine was missing and Nicholas posted that he was "divorced" on a social blog.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
He does not have to be served... A notice has to be published in the newspapers for a certain period of time.. if there is no answer the divorce will be granted. [/*]
wow - I have to say I think this is one of the most insensitive things I've ever heard of. Do you know other spouses of missing people that file for divorce so soon?
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by desmom
Couldn't CF apply for custody of the children without filing for a divorce? [/*]
I don't know Desmom - I'm so confused by all of this. Even IF she felt she needed to file for divorce, why post it on a social blog like MySpace??
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
wow - I have to say I think this is one of the most insensitive things I've ever heard of. Do you know other spouses of missing people that file for divorce so soon? [/*]
Please don't make more out of what I said than what it is.. I was only answering someone's question as to how a person could get a divorce when they don't know where the other person is to serve them with papers. There was nothing insensitive about my post whatsoever.
As for Christine filing for a divorce, that is her decision and she has reasons for doing so. It is not my place to judge a person for making decisions that affect their lives in one way or another.
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
wow - I have to say I think this is one of the most insensitive things I've ever heard of. Do you know other spouses of missing people that file for divorce so soon? [/*]
Insensitive is right!
I know this is O/T but I have to say it.... there is a woman missing on another forum here and the slimeball husband hasn't even done this........
I am completely floored by this news today.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 06:02 PM
Well "IMO" it is a insensitive thing for her to do!! If she believes some of her own words....."JMO"
She first says he would never ever leave his family, they are the center of his life.
Then she says he would definately never leave the kids...
Then she says she just has a gut feeling that foul play is involved and he is in water.
Then he has a secret life (that isn't illegal), she still doesn't think he walked out on them.......but
she files for divorce.......
WOW
late4dinner
04-19-2008, 06:03 PM
I don't think it's insensitive at all. CF is doing her best to protect her family. If she's received counsel that divorce will protect her family, why shouldn't she do that? We have no information to judge her actions.
I think she's doing the best she can with what she's been dealt.
I also think it will turn out that Nic was, truly , on his way home and met with an accident or foul play of some sort. Nothing else makes sense to me. I too don't think he is/was a "coward."
JMO, MOO
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Please don't make more out of what I said than what it is.. I was only answering someone's question as to how a person could get a divorce when they don't know where the other person is to serve them with papers. There was nothing insensitive about my post whatsoever.
As for Christine filing for a divorce, that is her decision and she has reasons for doing so. It is not my place to judge a person for making decisions that affect their lives in one way or another. [/*]
Hi Harlett,
I have a tremendous amount of respect for what you do. You seem to have a knack for remaining neutral; and I admire that. I know quite a few of us have our own opinions and do a lot of speculating as to what may or may not have happened to Nicholas.
You seem to be on a friendly basis with the wife. She obviously knows now what Nicholas was doing prior to his disappearance which is referred to as a "secret life." I'm just wondering why she doesn't want people to know the details of Nicholas' secret life? Many, many people only want what she claims herself to want : resolve. Perhaps if she did come forward with a statement it would put to rest much conjecture. Just a thought.....
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Please don't make more out of what I said than what it is.. I was only answering someone's question as to how a person could get a divorce when they don't know where the other person is to serve them with papers. There was nothing insensitive about my post whatsoever.
As for Christine filing for a divorce, that is her decision and she has reasons for doing so. It is not my place to judge a person for making decisions that affect their lives in one way or another. [/*]
Your post was not insensitive - I was referring to this
He does not have to be served... A notice has to be published in the newspapers for a certain period of time... if there is no answer the divorce will be granted.
It would be really hard for someone to answer if they were dead.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
I don't think it's insensitive at all. CF is doing her best to protect her family. If she's received counsel that divorce will protect her family, why shouldn't she do that? We have no information to judge her actions.
I think she's doing the best she can with what she's been dealt.
I also think it will turn out that Nic was, truly , on his way home and met with an accident or foul play of some sort. Nothing else makes sense to me. I too don't think he is/was a "coward."
JMO, MOO [/*]
So if he has met with foul play (which I have always believed), how can he answer an ad in the paper? What would be the point in doing this?
decor
04-19-2008, 06:14 PM
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in.
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
I don't think it's insensitive at all. CF is doing her best to protect her family. If she's received counsel that divorce will protect her family, why shouldn't she do that? We have no information to judge her actions.
I think she's doing the best she can with what she's been dealt.
I also think it will turn out that Nic was, truly , on his way home and met with an accident or foul play of some sort. Nothing else makes sense to me. I too don't think he is/was a "coward."
JMO, MOO [/*]
Protect her family from what?
I really don't understand this. I am not trying to be malicious or judgmental at all. I don't even know this woman. All I know of the story is what SHE has said. This divorce thing even goes against how she says she feels about her husband. MY GOD... for the life of me I don't get it!
If someone is feeding her information and advising her to do this then, IMO, she is being given very bad advice.
late4dinner
04-19-2008, 06:18 PM
If CF knows nothing about whether Nic is alive or dead,(and IMO, MOO, she does not) I think she would take the idvise of a financial advisor, or a trusted person/ lawyer to do what is needed to protect her children.
We don't know anything about the "second" life, and if it involved gambling, or $$ debts, it might be the best way for her to handle it.
I feel for Christine. I hope things work out for her and her children. If this were me, I would be devastated.
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Hi Harlett,
I have a tremendous amount of respect for what you do. You seem to have a knack for remaining neutral; and I admire that. I know quite a few of us have our own opinions and do a lot of speculating as to what may or may not have happened to Nicholas.
You seem to be on a friendly basis with the wife. She obviously knows now what Nicholas was doing prior to his disappearance which is referred to as a "secret life." I'm just wondering why she doesn't want people to know the details of Nicholas' secret life? Many, many people only want what she claims herself to want : resolve. Perhaps if she did come forward with a statement it would put to rest much conjecture. Just a thought..... [/*]
Sometimes some things are better left unsaid... I think at some point LE and Christine will give some sort of public statement about all of it.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in. [/*]
Decor - nah lets just blame a man who is missing who may be dead and decaying....and has no voice.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by late4dinner
If CF knows nothing about whether Nic is alive or dead,(and IMO, MOO, she does not) I think she would take the idvise of a financial advisor, or a trusted person/ lawyer to do what is needed to protect her children.
We don't know anything about the "second" life, and if it involved gambling, or $$ debts, it might be the best way for her to handle it.
I feel for Christine. I hope things work out for her and her children. If this were me, I would be devastated. [/*]
LE said it was not illegal - as for debts, I think they both would have contributed to that.
HarlettOhara
04-19-2008, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
So if he has met with foul play (which I have always believed), how can he answer an ad in the paper? What would be the point in doing this? [/*]
It's a legal thing that has to be done when someone disappears. I believe it has to run once a week for 3 weeks, that's the way it is where I live.. it may be different in WA.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Decor - nah lets just blame a man who is missing who may be dead and decaying....and has no voice. [/*]
just out of curiosity what will you say when you find out he just up and deserted them?
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in. [/*]
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
Not necessarily, Decor. I'm not an expert in these things, but I do think it's fairly standard state-to-state. Should the wife decide to file for state help (medical, food stamps, housing voucher, etc.) she needs to fill out paperwork and provide proof of all living in her home. Since NF doesn't currently live with her, and she can easily prove that, his name would not be on the application for help in the first place, and his income wouldn't be subject to offset what she may be eligible for.
The wife would have to provide proof of residence, income, US citizenship status for herself and the children, i.e., soc sec cards and birth certificates.
At this point she can qualify for WIC too because she is pregnant. I believe her two other children would also qualify for WIC because they are under 5 yrs of age.
A divorce doesn't have anything to do with whether or not she can get state help.
JMO
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by decor
just out of curiosity what will you say when you find out he just up and deserted them? [/*]
I will say he sure pulled the wool over my eyes...what will you say when they fish his body out of a lake?
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Sometimes some things are better left unsaid... I think at some point LE and Christine will give some sort of public statement about all of it. [/*]
From your lips to God's ears, Harlett!
Thanks for the reply.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Not necessarily, Decor. I'm not an expert in these things, but I do think it's fairly standard state-to-state. Should the wife decide to file for state help (medical, food stamps, housing voucher, etc.) she needs to fill out paperwork and provide proof of all living in her home. Since NF doesn't currently live with her, and she can easily prove that, his name would not be on the application for help in the first place, and his income wouldn't be subject to offset what she may be eligible for.
The wife would have to provide proof of residence, income, US citizenship status for herself and the children, i.e., soc sec cards and birth certificates.
At this point she can qualify for WIC too because she is pregnant. I believe her two other children would also qualify for WIC because they are under 5 yrs of age.
A divorce doesn't have anything to do with whether or not she can get state help.
JMO [/*]
I believe you are correct on that. LE could definitely back up anything regarding her application.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Not necessarily, Decor. I'm not an expert in these things, but I do think it's fairly standard state-to-state. Should the wife decide to file for state help (medical, food stamps, housing voucher, etc.) she needs to fill out paperwork and provide proof of all living in her home. Since NF doesn't currently live with her, and she can easily prove that, his name would not be on the application for help in the first place, and his income wouldn't be subject to offset what she may be eligible for.
The wife would have to provide proof of residence, income, US citizenship status for herself and the children, i.e., soc sec cards and birth certificates.
At this point she can qualify for WIC too because she is pregnant. I believe her two other children would also qualify for WIC because they are under 5 yrs of age.
A divorce doesn't have anything to do with whether or not she can get state help.
JMO [/*]
I am almost positive that she can get no help if she is married to him without him also signing papers with all his info and stating that he isn't working etc.. I really think she either needs to be divorced or he has to sign for her to get anything.
Also it could be that his secret life would leave no room for a wife.
Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in. [/*]
We don't make things up. Whatever we post is based on FACTS that were either posted by Christine or Harlett. As far as I know, we are allowed to post our opinions on what has been made public. In this case, certain things were made public by LE, Christine and I'm assuming since Harlett posted that she is working closely with Christine in helping to find Nicholas, I will include her as well.
If you know FACTS other than what has already been posted, please share.
The fact as of today is that Christine posted on her myspace that she is divorced. Harlett confirmed that Christine is indeed filing for divorce so it begs the question as to why a wife who claims her husband was murdered is filing for divorce.
That's the discussion. People are posting opinions on what was released as FACT.
You may not agree and that's fine but you don't moderate this board. CW does.
ThruTheTrees
04-19-2008, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in. [/*]
Filing for divorce because of legal issues and to be able to access certain benefits from the state (such as medical coupons, DSHS, food stamps etc) is one thing. Putting "DIVORCED" on her myspace while it was still public, and at least 4 months before the divorce could possibly be "final" -- well, that's something else. I don't think DSHS or any other state agency is going to be checking her myspace to see if she still lists herself as "Married". IMO.
desmom
04-19-2008, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by decor
what kind of sheltered life do you people lead?
do you think people just say, Oh I think I'll start living off of the state and other taxpayers can take care of me and you just sign up?
CF can't get any help if there is a chance that NF is around and might show up. she has to be divorced from him to be able to be eligible for certain things. He is missing but since the chances are 50/50 as to what happened to him, CF has to say that she is willing to do what she needs to in order to get help.
giver her a freakin' break. how you manage to pick apart every single thing she says and does and come up with nothing because you have NO facts is beyond me.
this has been practically a 99% guessing game with no one to tell you yes, you're right or no you're wrong. sorry I take that back. when told you are wrong you don't believe it.
and so we are back to blaming Christine for NF either deserting them or getting harmed which she had no part in. [/*]
IMO, the cash donations sent to CF may be a problem.
Here are a couple of links......
Food Stamps: http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&locateStateFlow_1_actionOverride=%2FLocateStateFlo w%2Freport&_windowLabel=locateStateFlow_1&locateStateFlow_1bid=1364&locateStateFlow_1_code=WA&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_locate_state
1) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $2,001, or (2) those with a current bank balance (savings and checking combined) under $3,001 who share their household with a person or persons age 60 and over, or with a person with a disability (a child, your spouse, a parent, or yourself).
https://fortress.wa.gov/dshs/f2ws03esaapps/onlinecso/tanf_support_services.asp
To be eligible for TANF, your family must have resources of $1,000 or less. Resources are things like:
Checking and savings accounts
Stocks, bonds, or mutual funds
Vehicle equity over $5,000
decor
04-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I believe you are correct on that. LE could definitely back up anything regarding her application. [/*]
It doesn't matter if he can back them up or not. There are certain rules in place that need to be followed.
A missing spouse probably means you need to be divorced or you get no help.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by n/t
We don't make things up. Whatever we post is based on FACTS that were either posted by Christine or Harlett. As far as I know, we are allowed to post our opinions on what has been made public. In this case, certain things were made public by LE, Christine and I'm assuming since Harlett posted that she is working closely with Christine in helping to find Nicholas, I will include her as well.
If you know FACTS other than what has already been posted, please share.
The fact as of today is that Christine posted on her myspace that she is divorced. Harlett confirmed that Christine is indeed filing for divorce so it begs the question as to why a wife who claims her husband was murdered is filing for divorce.
That's the discussion. People are posting opinions on what was released as FACT.
You may not agree and that's fine but you don't moderate this board. CW does. [/*]
:beer:
decor
04-19-2008, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by desmom
IMO, the cash donations sent to CF may be a problem.
Here are a couple of links......
Food Stamps: http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&locateStateFlow_1_actionOverride=%2FLocateStateFlo w%2Freport&_windowLabel=locateStateFlow_1&locateStateFlow_1bid=1364&locateStateFlow_1_code=WA&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_locate_state
https://fortress.wa.gov/dshs/f2ws03esaapps/onlinecso/tanf_support_services.asp
[/*]
do we know how much cash she received? do we know how much she has left? do we know if it was put in trust for her kids? do we know if she has enough left to get by for the next few months until the divorce is final at which time she will need to apply for assistance?
my point is that no one here, except Harlett, knows anything yet they are still all criticizing the way CF is running her own life.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by n/t
We don't make things up. Whatever we post is based on FACTS that were either posted by Christine or Harlett. As far as I know, we are allowed to post our opinions on what has been made public. In this case, certain things were made public by LE, Christine and I'm assuming since Harlett posted that she is working closely with Christine in helping to find Nicholas, I will include her as well.
If you know FACTS other than what has already been posted, please share.
The fact as of today is that Christine posted on her myspace that she is divorced. Harlett confirmed that Christine is indeed filing for divorce so it begs the question as to why a wife who claims her husband was murdered is filing for divorce.
That's the discussion. People are posting opinions on what was released as FACT.
You may not agree and that's fine but you don't moderate this board. CW does. [/*]
I'm sorry. I thought this was a discussion board for the missing NF.
I didn't realize that today's discussion was limited to why CF has filed for divorce.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by decor
do we know how much cash she received? do we know how much she has left? do we know if it was put in trust for her kids? do we know if she has enough left to get by for the next few months until the divorce is final at which time she will need to apply for assistance?
my point is that no one here, except Harlett, knows anything yet they are still all criticizing the way CF is running her own life. [/*]
You find it acceptable to put "divorced" on her MySpace social blog when her husband has been missing for just two months possibly due to foul play? Does that mean the divorce was in the works since right after the first of the year?
figritout
04-19-2008, 06:35 PM
She does not need to be divorced to get help/assistance from state program many married women in this state are on public assistance. I posted in the first month of NFs disappearance that I hope law enforcement watches what plays out in the months to come. I hope they are paying close attention and not being naive.. jmo, moo....
decor
04-19-2008, 06:38 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
You find it acceptable to put "divorced" on her MySpace social blog when her husband has been missing for just two months possibly due to foul play? Does that mean the divorce was in the works since right after the first of the year? [/*]
would you find it unacceptable for me to tell you how you should running your life?
she is entitled to put anything she wants. she isn't breaking any laws. she isn't breaking any rules. so what if it isn't what others would do.
do you only do what you think everyone else will approve of?
Rainey
she is entitled to do whatever she wants and she is entitled to do without people who don't even know her to criticize her and judge her and crucify her.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by figritout
She does not need to be divorced to get help/assistance from state program many married women in this state are on public assistance. I posted in the first month of NFs disappearance that I hope law enforcement watches what plays out in the months to come. I hope they are paying close attention and not being naive.. jmo, moo.... [/*]
and you have a link or proof that none of those men had to sign anything or prove that they no longer were planning on going home?
zenharmony19
04-19-2008, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by decor
do we know how much cash she received? do we know how much she has left? do we know if it was put in trust for her kids? do we know if she has enough left to get by for the next few months until the divorce is final at which time she will need to apply for assistance?
my point is that no one here, except Harlett, knows anything yet they are still all criticizing the way CF is running her own life. [/*]
Nice post decor, I agree totally. Why waste precious time and energy getting upset about something one doesn't understand? Unless you know the details of Christine's financial and legal situation and problems, why get bent out of shape about it? Filing for divorce has been stated by Harlett as being in the best interests of her and the children. The children! They are the ones that count the most here... :(
As for her posting her status as "divorced" on myspace, could be she is just angry, and put it up there for him to see in case he is out there somewhere. I don't think it was the best thing to do, but if it was me, I'd probably at least of think of doing something like that myself.
IMO JMO
Originally posted by decor
I'm sorry. I thought this was a discussion board for the missing NF.
I didn't realize that today's discussion was limited to why CF has filed for divorce. [/*]
Yes it has everything to do with Nicholas. If he's missing without a trace, he doesn't have a voice. Many of us have chosen to stand by him and defend him as much as we can with the information we have so far.
We know that LE has not ruled out foul play nor have they said he left voluntarily. He's still missing and until someone says he's alive and well, I will continue to speak up for him.
The unfounded claims of an affair or whatever other rubbish that were posted about him have not been proven and at this time are considered malicious rumours, imo.
MystryPhobia
04-19-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by decor
and you have a link or proof that none of those men had to sign anything or prove that they no longer were planning on going home? [/*]
married women can get assistance without their spouse signing anything. I know this because my sister left her abusive husband and was on welfare and got food stamps for a couple of months until she was able to start working and stuff.
The state actually found her husband.. and helped her to secure support for the children also.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by decor
would you find it unacceptable for me to tell you how you should running your life?
she is entitled to put anything she wants. she isn't breaking any laws. she isn't breaking any rules. so what if it isn't what others would do.
do you only do what you think everyone else will approve of?
Rainey
she is entitled to do whatever she wants and she is entitled to do without people who don't even know her to criticize her and judge her and crucify her. [/*]
Oh I see, but its okay to wag around some "secret" that LE said was not illegal in order to make a missing man look bad. Okay got it.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by MystryPhobia
married women can get assistance without their spouse signing anything. I know this because my sister left her abusive husband and was on welfare and got food stamps for a couple of months until she was able to start working and stuff.
The state actually found her husband.. and helped her to secure support for the children also. [/*]
Thanks Mystry - I thought that was the case.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Oh I see, but its okay to wag around some "secret" that LE said was not illegal in order to make a missing man look bad. Okay got it. [/*]
you never answered my question about what you will say when you find out he deserted them
desmom
04-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by decor
you never answered my question about what you will say when you find out he deserted them [/*]
IMO, a lot of us believe NF walked, so I guess you could say we believe he deserted them.
figritout
04-19-2008, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by MystryPhobia
married women can get assistance without their spouse signing anything. I know this because my sister left her abusive husband and was on welfare and got food stamps for a couple of months until she was able to start working and stuff.
The state actually found her husband.. and helped her to secure support for the children also. [/*]
Yeah, all true! Thank you! Happens everyday!
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Yes it has everything to do with Nicholas. If he's missing without a trace, he doesn't have a voice. Many of us have chosen to stand by him and defend him as much as we can with the information we have so far.
We know that LE has not ruled out foul play nor have they said he left voluntarily. He's still missing and until someone says he's alive and well, I will continue to speak up for him.
The unfounded claims of an affair or whatever other rubbish that were posted about him have not been proven and at this time are considered malicious rumours, imo. [/*]
Isn't it odd n/t that some people who had such a problem with people "ruining Christine's reputation" (someone who definately could speak for herself) don't have a problem in the world with people trying to smear Nicholas' name. After two months some people have yet to figure out who is the one missing and who still may need help.
Originally posted by zenharmony19
Nice post decor, I agree totally. Why waste precious time and energy getting upset about something one doesn't understand? Unless you know the details of Christine's financial and legal situation and problems, why get bent out of shape about it? Filing for divorce has been stated by Harlett as being in the best interests of her and the children. The children! They are the ones that count the most here... :(
As for her posting her status as "divorced" on myspace, could be she is just angry, and put it up there for him to see in case he is out there somewhere. I don't think it was the best thing to do, but if it was me, I'd probably at least of think of doing something like that myself.
IMO JMO [/*]
I agree with both posts. Nicely said.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by decor
you never answered my question about what you will say when you find out he deserted them [/*]
I darn sure did
decor
04-19-2008, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by n/t
Yes it has everything to do with Nicholas. If he's missing without a trace, he doesn't have a voice. Many of us have chosen to stand by him and defend him as much as we can with the information we have so far.
We know that LE has not ruled out foul play nor have they said he left voluntarily. He's still missing and until someone says he's alive and well, I will continue to speak up for him.
The unfounded claims of an affair or whatever other rubbish that were posted about him have not been proven and at this time are considered malicious rumours, imo. [/*]
It has NOTHING to do with finding NF. It is only more criticism about how CF is handling her life.
I have said nothing about affairs. LE did say they found out about a secret life but no one has told anyone here except for maybe one, what that life is. Since we don't know, as I said maybe that life was the deciding factor in filing for divorce. But since no one felt the need to report to us what it was maybe it is just none of our business.
decor
04-19-2008, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by desmom
IMO, a lot of us believe NF walked, so I guess you could say we believe he deserted them. [/*]
I meant what will Rainey say when she finds out Nick deserted them and isn't lying dead somewhere.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 06:59 PM
Alot of us don't know what happened for sure, but we do know that Nicholas isn't here to defend himself or speak up for himself. Other people are doing just fine defending themselves.
It amazes me people here that are smearing his character around everywhere. Do some of you know exactly where he is and that is why you are saying he is a awful dad, husband and man.
I pray that he did just walk out, as atleast he would be alive.
decor
04-19-2008, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I will say he sure pulled the wool over my eyes...what will you say when they fish his body out of a lake? [/*]
sorry. I missed this post.
I won't have to say anything because I am sure they will not be pulling his body from anywhere.
Miss Behavin
04-19-2008, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by decor
I am almost positive that she can get no help if she is married to him without him also signing papers with all his info and stating that he isn't working etc.. I really think she either needs to be divorced or he has to sign for her to get anything.
Also it could be that his secret life would leave no room for a wife. [/*]
Well, I have known plenty of women who were married and the spouse took off. They qualified for, and received, state assistance because they were considered separated due to an absent spouse.
The state keeps track in cases like that and should they locate the man by social security (tax time) they make sure they get reimbursed for his share in what they have provided to his family.
JMO
Originally posted by decor
It has NOTHING to do with finding NF. It is only more criticism about how CF is handling her life.
I have said nothing about affairs. LE did say they found out about a secret life but no one has told anyone here except for maybe one, what that life is. Since we don't know, as I said maybe that life was the deciding factor in filing for divorce. But since no one felt the need to report to us what it was maybe it is just none of our business. [/*]
As long as he is listed as a missing, it is our business to find out where he is and what may have happened to him. That's the nature of the beast. The public was asked for help. If that is no longer the case then the public she be notified.
You posted his secret life would leave no room for a wife. What did you mean by that?
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Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Not necessarily, Decor. I'm not an expert in these things, but I do think it's fairly standard state-to-state. Should the wife decide to file for state help (medical, food stamps, housing voucher, etc.) she needs to fill out paperwork and provide proof of all living in her home. Since NF doesn't currently live with her, and she can easily prove that, his name would not be on the application for help in the first place, and his income wouldn't be subject to offset what she may be eligible for.
The wife would have to provide proof of residence, income, US citizenship status for herself and the children, i.e., soc sec cards and birth certificates.
At this point she can qualify for WIC too because she is pregnant. I believe her two other children would also qualify for WIC because they are under 5 yrs of age.
A divorce doesn't have anything to do with whether or not she can get state help.
JMO [/*]
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I am almost positive that she can get no help if she is married to him without him also signing papers with all his info and stating that he isn't working etc.. I really think she either needs to be divorced or he has to sign for her to get anything.
Also it could be that his secret life would leave no room for a wife.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 07:06 PM
Since there are people here that seem to know for sure that foul play wasn't involved, maybe LE needs to speak with them. According to LE they have no signs that point to Foul Play and none that point to walking off.
So if you have proof he walked out and he is fine.....by all means please email LE and let them know.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by decor
sorry. I missed this post.
I won't have to say anything because I am sure they will not be pulling his body from anywhere. [/*]
How can you be sure? There is a body now waiting on ID.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by greeneyez78
Since there are people here that seem to know for sure that foul play wasn't involved, maybe LE needs to speak with them. According to LE they have no signs that point to Foul Play and none that point to walking off.
So if you have proof he walked out and he is fine.....by all means please email LE and let them know. [/*]
I wholeheartedly agree.
Originally posted by greeneyez78
Since there are people here that seem to know for sure that foul play wasn't involved, maybe LE needs to speak with them. According to LE they have no signs that point to Foul Play and none that point to walking off.
So if you have proof he walked out and he is fine.....by all means please email LE and let them know. [/*]
I agree. Nothing has been confirmed either way.
I wonder what they're basing their assumptions on.
zenharmony19
04-19-2008, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by greeneyez78
Alot of us don't know what happened for sure, but we do know that Nicholas isn't here to defend himself or speak up for himself. Other people are doing just fine defending themselves.
It amazes me people here that are smearing his character around everywhere. Do some of you know exactly where he is and that is why you are saying he is a awful dad, husband and man.
I pray that he did just walk out, as atleast he would be alive. [/*]
I really don't see people saying that Nicholas is an "awful dad, husband and man". There is evidence that he might have left on his own.
The smearing of character that I have seen has mostly been directed towards Christine, when there is no evidence that she is involved in his disappearance.
greeneyez78
04-19-2008, 07:15 PM
Where is the evidence that he might have left on his own??
Oh yeah that big huge amount of money that he withdrew from the ATM.
I thought I read in that email from LE that there was no evidence either way.
zenharmony19
04-19-2008, 07:16 PM
In New York State where I currently live, I had thought that you make out better if you are not married, when you are on state assistance. But I could be wrong. IMO
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by zenharmony19
I really don't see people saying that Nicholas is an "awful dad, husband and man". There is evidence that he might have left on his own.
The smearing of character that I have seen has mostly been directed towards Christine, when there is no evidence that she is involved in his disappearance. [/*]
IMO I've not seen her involved in searching for him either.
Originally posted by zenharmony19
I really don't see people saying that Nicholas is an "awful dad, husband and man". There is evidence that he might have left on his own.
The smearing of character that I have seen has mostly been directed towards Christine, when there is no evidence that she is involved in his disappearance. [/*]
Where do you see smearing of character? Questioning a spouse's behaviour is normal on a crime board. Again, this is information that was made public. The filing for divorce was made public.
You may want to look around and read up on other cases.
RainyNiteNTx
04-19-2008, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by greeneyez78
Where is the evidence that he might have left on his own??
Oh yeah that big huge amount of money that he withdrew from the ATM.
I thought I read in that email from LE that there was no evidence either way. [/*]
Yeah that big $50.00 he drew out. What happened to the "he would never leave us - we are his life"? What happened to all of his coworkers being adamant he would never leave? What happened to the "good guy?"
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