Thursday April 10, 2007 Lauterbach Daily

[CANDYKISSES]

Well, another day and no real news.

Lindell Kay is discussing Maria's car on "Off the Cuff" and maybe Captain Sutherland will weigh in at some point.

There are some interesting theories out there concerning the car barring some evidence of partner it had to present a problem IMO and needed to be in a location that fit the left town of her own accord scenario presuming that is what Cesar and any helper were working on. JMO tho.


MOVING JAN & MW5's posts over for continuing conversation....


Jan Powell
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Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say? [/*]
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Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

I hope some poor innocent person didn't get sucked into this crime trying to befriend Cl or CSL. The 1/7 date was about the time IIRC that CL was asked to come in to talk.

(On HIPAA, the privacy rule says a covered entity has to treat a designated "personal representative" the same as the covered individual with respect to uses of personal information with few exceptions (perceived harm, pyschotherpy, etc.) when the patient is still alive and is for health care purposes.

The "personal representative" can also act for a deceased person or the estate.)

I just signed several papers today for vascular surgery next week and went through these specific exemptions. (State law contrary to federal law is preempted.)

http://www.fepblue.org/wasite/wahip...-hipbluemar06-1

In some cases, a patient will have a personal representative. A personal representative is someone who is speaking for the patient or making medical and health care decisions for patient at a time when he/she cannot make these decisions for themselves. Simply put – a patient can give another person permission to speak for them. This is often through a legal document that the patient has signed. This permission can also be given to a family member or a friend by a court.

If a person has permission from a court or a legal document to act for the deceased person a hospital, doctor or health insurer must talk to the personal representative. If you are acting as a personal representative you have a legal right to the patient's confidential information. This means that the doctor must talk to you about your family member or friend and provide you with any reasonable information you need to do your work for the court or to pay medical bills and other similar work.


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[caejde]

Good morning. Scillak had just posted in yesterday's thread about the car being found at the Checkers. If I'm not mistaken, the parking lots for Checkers and the bus station are side by side.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by caejde
Good morning. Scillak had just posted in yesterday's thread about the car being found at the Checkers. If I'm not mistaken, the parking lots for Checkers and the bus station are side by side. [/*]

IIRC they are.

Here is the link to Lindell's blog discussing the car:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

I think everybody was wondering where it was from 12/14 until 1/7. Thoughts?

Oh, he also has a piece about the ever-changing Myspace that belonged to Maria.

[donna]

Good morning, everyone! Thanks for the new thread CANDY!

I am very curious about where Maria's car was until someone parked it at the bus station!

WHERE is CAL? He is like a chameleon. Each pic of his looks different to me. I keep hoping to wake up to the news that he has been captured.

[caejde]

I have no idea where the car could have been. I do remember in the first round of questions that Sutherland said they knew the car wasn't there the whole time.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


IIRC they are.

Here is the link to Lindell's blog discussing the car:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

I think everybody was wondering where it was from 12/14 until 1/7. Thoughts?

Oh, he also has a piece about the ever-changing Myspace that belonged to Maria. [/*]

Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo [/*]

Good morning, GB!
I do not think CAL moved Maria's car from his home on the 14th either! He would not have had time to do all he had to do, then move the car as well. I also believe that CSL knew darn well what Maria's car looked like. As another poster stated yesterday - we do not know what was in the Laureans garage on the 14th. Heck, if the dining room table and chairs were in the dining room instead of the gatage at that time, then IMO there would have been room for Maria's car!
MOO

[SavannahStar]

:D

"They know a whole lot more than they will ever say before the trial."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Been sayin that all along.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Good Morning All!

The dates given from December 14th until January 7th when found is Captain Sutherland's speak isms, which we all know that sometimes LE speaks in cryptic words.

I don't think any of us believes the car was at the bus station area parking lot on the 14th. Maria was seen driving away and that makes sense because she used her vehicle to do her tasks that day and imo she was in her own vehicle when she went to Laurean's home. So just by excluding that one day CS is factually right in his dates of 12-14 to 1-7-08.

I do believe that her car was parked at Laurean's on the 14th. The thing we don't know at that particular time...was the garage in the same condition as it was a month later. I tend to believe it wasn't and could very well hold one vehicle, especially Maria's car which was not large but smaller.

He had no recourse but to remove her vehicle from the scene once he had the opportunity to do so. I believe that was the day that he was seen backing out of the driveway in the car. IMO, if he had rushed to park it somewhere else before CSL came home then he certainly would not have returned with it to his own home but taken it directly to the area parking lot where it was found. So, imo, I don't think the car was but in two different places...his home and then to the area parking lot where one of the workers at the fast food place said it had been there since the 15th. Now how he got back home is a mystery and one I hope we learn.

I think CS knows that Maria's car was not where it was found during the dates given and he knows that Maria drove it there on De. 14th and that is where it was on the 14th and for some period of time on the morning of the 15th possibly. Later it was taken from there to the parking lot area.

imoo [/*]

Hmmm, I don't think he's saying that the car was at the bus station parking lot from 12/15 until 1/7 either. Apparently, Lindell doesn't think so either.

:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
:D

"They know a whole lot more than they will ever say before the trial."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Been sayin that all along. [/*]

Good Morning SS!

I must need more Coke Classic this morning....lol....I am not getting why that is such a surprising thing. We all know in all cases that LE and DA no more than we do about any case and will not divulge what they have.:confused:

Like right now I do believe CS does know that Maria's car was at the Laurean home on the 14th and was possibly removed on the 15th and taken to the parking lot. I don't expect CS to divulge that information however even if true.

imoo:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Hmmm, I don't think he's saying that the car was at the bus station parking lot from 12/15 until 1/7 either. Apparently, Lindell doesn't think so either.

:shrug: [/*]

I didn't get the impression. I will go read it again.

The dates given are from December 14th until 1-7-08 and it is obvious to me anyway it was not there for the entire time date that has been given. One or two days would still make the car not there from the 14th .........until found.

imoo

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I didn't get the impression. I will go read it again.

The dates given are from December 14th until 1-7-08 and it is obvious to me anyway it was not there for the entire time date that has been given. One or two days would still make the car not there from the 14th .........until found.

imoo

:seeya: [/*]

I dunno, I get the impression that it's more than one or two days off.

:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I dunno, I get the impression that it's more than one or two days off.

:shrug: [/*]

LOL Who really knows.

I just think because LE first came out and said it had been parked there the entire time...they have now determined it wasn't and at the first it was somewhere else.....therefore making it not be there the entire time from Dec. 14th until found. JMO tho. lol

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


LOL Who really knows.

I just think because LE first came out and said it had been parked there the entire time...

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imoo [/*]

Which just really begs the question of what else LE has put out there on this case that just ain't so.

[strick10]

Morning everyone. :seeya:

The important thing now, though, is where was the car between Dec. 14 and Jan. 7?

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

Quoting Flavor Flavs word....... Woooooowwwww! IMO: There's someone else other than CAL and possibly CSL involved in the entire scope of the murder.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Good Morning SS!

I must need more Coke Classic this morning....lol....I am not getting why that is such a surprising thing. We all know in all cases that LE and DA no more than we do about any case and will not divulge what they have.:confused:

*snipped*

[/*]

I guess I kinda smiled about it because I related it to how I feel LE knows much more about Christina and her timeline than they are saying, and that we know of......a bit in line with my posts about that subject yesterday.

Hope your day goes well, GB! :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom travelled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo

[scillak]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


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I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

snip

jmo [/*]

I agree. I know that when they said her car was found, I thought she had run-off and I was hoping they'd stop covering it actually so the poor girl wouldn't be humiliated (run-away bride syndrome).

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom travelled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo [/*]

Hi, nuttin!

ITA with every word!

[scillak]

Nuttintodo mentioned the car "for sale" sign. Wouldn't we all love to know if it was Maria's writing. I'm guessing it's not. This is out there, but.....since Mr. Allander and that other man each mentioned that they thought the car belonged to someone they knew at first....I just think one of them might have noticed that sign in the back window. A stretch, I know.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom traveled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo [/*]

Hi Nuttin!

Since Maria had the sign in her window.........couldn't OCSD have received calls from those that may have tried to call the number listed on the sign who may have been interested in the car? They would be able to tell them when they called and left a voice mail and where the vehicle was at the time they saw it, right?

I am not even interested in buying a vehicle but I do admit when I see one that has a "for sale" sign in it .......I do look at it and notice it.

I just don't know if it would be feasible for someone to be parking lot hopping.

I always felt where it was left was to make it appear that she had taken the bus. In fact some areas will let you leave your car there if you are leaving on a bus. Maybe the bus agent didn't think much about it and thought Maria didn't know exactly when she would be returning and may buy a one way ticket back to Jacksonville. I am sure when others are heading out on 10 day leaves that some of them leave their vehicles close around there so they can have it when they return.

imoo

[donna]

Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.

:shrug:

ETA: I am going to go look for it!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna
Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.

:shrug: [/*]

I don't remember anything about that Donna. Sure not saying that wasn't mentioned..........I could have missed it.

Really, not too much as even been said about her vehicle that I can remember.

He wasn't charged with any offense concerning her vehicle.

imoo

[scillak]

I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll thnk she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off?

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't remember anything about that Donna. Sure not saying that wasn't mentioned..........I could have missed it.

Really, not too much as even been said about her vehicle that I can remember.

He wasn't charged with any offense concerning her vehicle.

imoo [/*]

Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by scillak
I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll think she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off? [/*]

It is very hard to say.........we would have to place ourselves in Maria's mindset at the time all this was happening.

Personally, I think Maria wasn't thinking rationally or logically. She may have had the car up for sale for awhile even listing it on the bulletin board at the base imo.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day. [/*]

Great! Sometimes it is good to have a refresher course. lol

imoo

[scillak]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is very hard to say.........we would have to place ourselves in Maria's mindset at the time all this was happening.

Personally, I think Maria wasn't thinking rationally or logically. She may have had the car up for sale for awhile even listing it on the bulletin board at the base imo.

imoo [/*]

Very true. Right after I posted, I thought of that. We don't know how rational/logical she was at the time. So, I've contradicted myself again, LOL. I really am like Hank Kimball.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by scillak


Very true. Right after I posted, I thought of that. We don't know how rational/logical she was at the time. So, I've contradicted myself again, LOL. I really am like Hank Kimball. [/*]

I think you are pretty cool.

We are all bouncing our thoughts around about the case back and forth scillak....lol

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Nuttin!

Since Maria had the sign in her window.........couldn't OCSD have received calls from those that may have tried to call the number listed on the sign who may have been interested in the car? They would be able to tell them when they called and left a voice mail and where the vehicle was at the time they saw it, right?

I am not even interested in buying a vehicle but I do admit when I see one that has a "for sale" sign in it .......I do look at it and notice it.

I just don't know if it would be feasible for someone to be parking lot hopping.

I always felt where it was left was to make it appear that she had taken the bus. In fact some areas will let you leave your car there if you are leaving on a bus. Maybe the bus agent didn't think much about it and thought Maria didn't know exactly when she would be returning and may buy a one way ticket back to Jacksonville. I am sure when others are heading out on 10 day leaves that some of them leave their vehicles close around there so they can have it when they return.

imoo [/*]

Most likely anyone who called the number listed on the sign got her voice mail since her phone was possibly off. OCSD probably has that record and has tracked down those calls.

I really don't think Laurean was parking lot hopping with her car. He either parked her car somewhere (other than the garage) after 12/14 and possibly had someone drop him off to retrieve her car later.

But more than likely, Laurean moved her car to the bus station sometime after Maria was reported UA (was that on 12/17 or afterwards?).

jmoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by scillak
I'm contradicting myself, but, I guess Maria could have written that sign in preparation for leaving, even if it wasn't in the window when the neighbor's noticed the car. She could have planned to tape it up at the last minute.

I'll tell you what, though. If she had been at all concerned about the MC looking for her, she would have been foolish to let her car sit out in the open with a for sale sign on it. Do ya'll thnk she would have been considering that if she were planning to run off? [/*]

Maybe. However, if someone wanted to test drive the for sale car who had the keys? I don't think many people would just buy a car based on looks so a test drive is part of the sale. If Maria was the only one with the keys who would she send them to? Did she leave a 2nd set with someone else? The latter is doubtful as then someone would've already come forward to explain what possessed Maria to leave. Certainly she wouldn't send them to an unknown potential buyer and risk the car being stolen.

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by donna
Way back, IIRC, there was something mentioned about fraud in relation to Maria's vehicle. Does anyone else remember that? Seems like it was listed on either the U. S. Marshall's site or AMW somewhere.

:shrug:

ETA: I am going to go look for it! [/*]

He's been indicted on "car fraud" charges, but that is very possibly supposed to be "card fraud" in relation to her bank card.

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Great! Sometimes it is good to have a refresher course. lol

imoo [/*]

I apologize, everyone! I am the one badly needing a refresher course! It had been the way it was worded. I remember now from just now looking at the NCIS wanted list. We had discussed that it had to mean card fraud!

:( ... Having a CRS moment!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Charlotte


He's been indicted on "car fraud" charges, but that is very possibly supposed to be "card fraud" in relation to her bank card. [/*]

Ah, I think you are right.

He wasn't indicted on car fraud but was for carD fraud.

Thanks,

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


Thanks, GB!
I am going to go look for it. Seems we had a discussion on this board about it one day. [/*]

AMW had on their site the following:

Information valid as of last update.
First-Degree Murder, Jacksonville, NC; Dec 2007

Robbery With A Dangerous Weapon ; Dec 2007

First-Degree Car Theft ; Dec 14, 2007

Fraud ; Dec 2007

Attempted Car Fraud ; Dec 2007

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

But that is wrong info, where it states CAR it should be CARD.

I emailed the webmaster way back when and it still hasn't been changed.

[scillak]

Originally posted by strick10


Maybe. However, if someone wanted to test drive the for sale car who had the keys? I don't think many people would just buy a car based on looks so a test drive is part of the sale. If Maria was the only one with the keys who would she send them to? Did she leave a 2nd set with someone else? The latter is doubtful as then someone would've already come forward to explain what possessed Maria to leave. Certainly she wouldn't send them to an unknown potential buyer and risk the car being stolen. [/*]

That is an excellent point.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Most likely anyone who called the number listed on the sign got her voice mail since her phone was possibly off. OCSD probably has that record and has tracked down those calls.

I really don't think Laurean was parking lot hopping with her car. He either parked her car somewhere (other than the garage) after 12/14 and possibly had someone drop him off to retrieve her car later.

But more than likely, Laurean moved her car to the bus station sometime after Maria was reported UA (was that on 12/17 or afterwards?).

jmoo [/*]

Didn't you speak with someone who said the For Sale sign was in her handwriting?

She may have had it in the window for a couple of weeks and then took it down when she didn't get any calls on it. That's just it, we don't know when it was written or how long it stayed in the window.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Didn't you speak with someone who said the For Sale sign was in her handwriting?

She may have had it in the window for a couple of weeks and then took it down when she didn't get any calls on it. That's just it, we don't know when it was written or how long it stayed in the window. [/*]

Yes I did...I was told it was Maria's handwriting. That was the day I was also told that her family had decided to let the car go back to MFCU.

And before anyone asks who I got this from...this came from someone who would know at the Sheriff's Department and NO I will not name that person here!

jmoo

Got to run, have an appointment. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


AMW had on their site the following:

Information valid as of last update.
First-Degree Murder, Jacksonville, NC; Dec 2007

Robbery With A Dangerous Weapon ; Dec 2007

First-Degree Car Theft ; Dec 14, 2007

Fraud ; Dec 2007

Attempted Car Fraud ; Dec 2007

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

But that is wrong info, where it states CAR it should be CARD.

I emailed the webmaster way back when and it still hasn't been changed. [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin.

I wonder why they never corrected it. They should know by now what he was indicted on.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes I did...I was told it was Maria's handwriting. That was the day I was also told that her family had decided to let the car go back to MFCU.

And before anyone asks who I got this from...this came from someone who would know at the Sheriff's Department and NO I will not name that person here!

jmoo

Got to run, have an appointment. :seeya: [/*]

See ya later!:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks, Nuttin.

I wonder why they never corrected it. They should know by now what he was indicted on.

imoo [/*]

Hey there's been so much misinformation put out there, why change it now?

Even NCIS has Laurean's weight as 190 lbs!

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes I did...I was told it was Maria's handwriting. That was the day I was also told that her family had decided to let the car go back to MFCU.

And before anyone asks who I got this from...this came from someone who would know at the Sheriff's Department and NO I will not name that person here!

jmoo

Got to run, have an appointment. :seeya: [/*]

Thanks! I thought I remembered that.

And no, not asking for sources or names. Uh-huh, no way, no how!

:seeya:

[donna]

:seeya:

Have a great day, nuttin!

[Jan Powell]

I think CL/CLS had the false sense he/they commited the perfect crime and the bottom fell out on the 7th or his/their planning was more skilled than I've given them credit for.

Jan. 7 — Investigators with the Onslow County Sheriff's Department find Lauterbach's car, a blue 2006 Hyundai Sonata, abandoned at the Jacksonville Bus Station.
-- The focus narrows to Laurean as a person of interest, and Sheriff's Department investigators express frustration to the sheriff that he will not comply with requests to be interviewed.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html

[strick10]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
I think CL/CLS had the false sense he/they commited the perfect crime and the bottom fell out on the 7th or his/their planning was more skilled than I've given them credit for.

Jan. 7 — Investigators with the Onslow County Sheriff's Department find Lauterbach's car, a blue 2006 Hyundai Sonata, abandoned at the Jacksonville Bus Station.
-- The focus narrows to Laurean as a person of interest, and Sheriff's Department investigators express frustration to the sheriff that he will not comply with requests to be interviewed.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html [/*]

Wonder if CAL was that cool of a cucumber for the LE not to pick up on any of his body language. If I'm not mistaken the LE were able to talk to him face to face on one occassion in which he clamed up and sought his lawyer(s) where thereafter he failed to show up to meet w/ LE. He was probably having bricks when he was called into whatever office it was on base to talk to LE.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
I think CL/CLS had the false sense he/they commited the perfect crime and the bottom fell out on the 7th or his/their planning was more skilled than I've given them credit for.

Jan. 7 — Investigators with the Onslow County Sheriff's Department find Lauterbach's car, a blue 2006 Hyundai Sonata, abandoned at the Jacksonville Bus Station.
-- The focus narrows to Laurean as a person of interest, and Sheriff's Department investigators express frustration to the sheriff that he will not comply with requests to be interviewed.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html [/*]

ITA about him thinking he/they was/were home free Jan. When reality hit, I'm sure plans had to change somewhat from my POV.

I will be glad when some more info is released and don't feel at all confident LE has the whole story just yet.

JMO tho...:read:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder if CAL was that cool of a cucumber for the LE not to pick up on any of his body language. If I'm not mistaken the LE were able to talk to him face to face on one occassion in which he clamed up and sought his lawyer(s) where thereafter he failed to show up to meet w/ LE. He was probably having bricks when he was called into whatever office it was on base to talk to LE. [/*]

afternoon all...had to get some housecleaning done so when cl is found i will have lots of free time to sit here.

If he got scared enough to move the car, there must have been something noticeable when they went and talked to him on base. jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by marinewife5


afternoon all...had to get some housecleaning done so when cl is found i will have lots of free time to sit here.

If he got scared enough to move the car, there must have been something noticeable when they went and talked to him on base. jmo [/*]

donna, if you are here, i'm getting a vision...it is telling me that you should check your pm box.

[caejde]

Originally posted by marinewife5


donna, if you are here, i'm getting a vision...it is telling me that you should check your pm box. [/*]

Are you getting a vision for me??? :D

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by caejde


Are you getting a vision for me??? :D [/*]

yes, yes i am

[martha]

Originally posted by marinewife5


donna, if you are here, i'm getting a vision...it is telling me that you should check your pm box. [/*] MW5
you or so funny just wanted to say hi to everyone I found henry but couldn;t find nelkirk good morning hope everyone ok today.:rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by martha
MW5
you or so funny just wanted to say hi to everyone I found henry but couldn;t find nelkirk good morning hope everyone ok today.:rose: [/*]

hi martha:rose:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by martha
MW5
you or so funny just wanted to say hi to everyone I found henry but couldn;t find nelkirk good morning hope everyone ok today.:rose: [/*]
Morning martha!

Nel is no longer listed as a member here but hopefully she will re-join.

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


yes, yes i am [/*]

Hey now, I am the confessed psychic!!!LOL

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Morning martha!

Nel is no longer listed as a member here but hopefully she will re-join. [/*]

I am hoping and praying this is our nelkirk!

YOU ARE ALREADY SO MISSED NEL and we all appreciate your expertise and wealth of information not to mention your ability to stimulate great debate!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=143106

:patriot: Come on down!

jmo:rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


Hey now, I am the confessed psychic!!!LOL [/*]

I knew you were going to say that :rolleyes:

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I knew you were going to say that :rolleyes: [/*]

and I knew You knew I was going to say that:cool:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


and I knew You knew I was going to say that:cool: [/*]

LOL. my train of thought has derailed.

so, if only we had nelkirk to comment on the congressman's responce to the mc's answers.

and, if the guy who said ml's car was there since around the 16th was wrong, makes me wonder what other witnesses were mistaken?

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


LOL. my train of thought has derailed.

so, if only we had nelkirk to comment on the congressman's responce to the mc's answers.

and, if the guy who said ml's car was there since around the 16th was wrong, makes me wonder what other witnesses were mistaken? [/*]

Hi, MW5!

I wonder also! Ya don't think Wanda or Menard were ever mistaken, do you?

Is Wanda correct about CAL leaving at 6:30 AM on Jan. 11th? I think she was mistaken, since Christina told LE CAL had left at 4:00 AM, or that she got up at 4:00 AM and found CAL gone and saw his notes! LOL, the only person I will believe anymore is Captain Sutherland!

I wonder just WHEN Maria's car was WHERE!

:)....... edited to add the word mistaken!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


LOL. my train of thought has derailed.

so, if only we had nelkirk to comment on the congressman's responce to the mc's answers.

and, if the guy who said ml's car was there since around the 16th was wrong, makes me wonder what other witnesses were mistaken? [/*]

I just wish the esteemed congressman would print the answers!

:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I am hoping and praying this is our nelkirk!

YOU ARE ALREADY SO MISSED NEL and we all appreciate your expertise and wealth of information not to mention your ability to stimulate great debate!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=143106

:patriot: Come on down!

jmo:rose: [/*]

Yes please Nelkirk. We need your level head. I once vowed to never post on her again because of a couple of posters. Guess what? That didn't last. I decided I needed to post to counteract the views that drove me crazy. :biggrin:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, MW5!

I wonder also! Ya don't think Wanda or Menard were ever mistaken, do you?

Is Wanda correct about CAL leaving at 6:30 AM on Jan. 11th? I think she was mistaken, since Christina told LE CAL had left at 4:00 AM, or that she got up at 4:00 AM and found CAL gone and saw his notes! LOL, the only person I will believe anymore is Captain Sutherland!

I wonder just WHEN Maria's car was WHERE!

:)....... edited to add the word mistaken! [/*]

and even captain sutherland is limited as to what he can say.

I want the same question answered about the car!

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I just wish the esteemed congressman would print the answers!

:D [/*]

Not gonna happen Cry. If you don't publish the facts you can claim anything you want no? JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I just wish the esteemed congressman would print the answers!

:D [/*]

I'm sure he will as soon as the mc tells him what he wants to hear:o

[daniel green]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I really don't think Laurean was parking lot hopping with her car. snipped[/*]

I agree. Makes no sense to be parking lot hopping.

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and even captain sutherland is limited as to what he can say.

I want the same question answered about the car! [/*]

LOL, me too! I understand that Captain Sutherland is limited in what information he can give out and/or confirm.


:cuss: .... CAL needs to be captured and brought back for trial! Then we may not know everything, but at least we would know more than we know now!

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I just wish the esteemed congressman would print the answers!
:D [/*]

The Dayton Daily News has a new article with some quotes from Gen. Kramlich's written response to Turner.

Marines didn't suspect Laurean when Lauterbach disappeared (http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr)

If the Daily News has a copy of the response letter, perhaps they'll print the whole thing eventually.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Charlotte


The Dayton Daily News has a new article with some quotes from Gen. Kramlich's written response to Turner.

Marines didn't suspect Laurean when Lauterbach disappeared (http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr)

If the Daily News has a copy of the response letter, perhaps they'll print the whole thing eventually. [/*]

Thank you very much Charlotte for posting that. IMO, more cover your a$$ from the marine corps. I hope the Congressman and his associates keep the pressure on the marine corps until they and this family are satisfied with the answers.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Charlotte


The Dayton Daily News has a new article with some quotes from Gen. Kramlich's written response to Turner.

Marines didn't suspect Laurean when Lauterbach disappeared (http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr)

If the Daily News has a copy of the response letter, perhaps they'll print the whole thing eventually. [/*]

it would be nice if they were published, but if there is anything less than flattering towards ml, he may not want to do that to the family, and i do respect that. our best chance at seeing the answers is for them to be "leaked" imo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Charlotte


The Dayton Daily News has a new article with some quotes from Gen. Kramlich's written response to Turner.

Marines didn't suspect Laurean when Lauterbach disappeared (http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr)

If the Daily News has a copy of the response letter, perhaps they'll print the whole thing eventually. [/*]

From the link:

Kramlich, responding to 29 questions asked by Turner last month, said the Marines never asked Laurean for a DNA sample. He said they didn't ask because Lauterbach did not report the rape until weeks after it happened, and there was no physical evidence of the rape.

"(The Naval Criminal Investigative Service) decided to postpone taking a sample of her child's DNA until its birth due to the invasiveness of the DNA testing procedure," he wrote.

Kramlich wrote that Lauterbach later told a military prosecutor that "she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean's."

============================

Yikes.

So she'd told the military prosecutor she was certain it was NOT CLs? :eek:

Otherwise just as we have thought--that they didn't get his DNA cuz it was not relevant given when she reported the alleged rape(s).

And that they would not do an amnio because it's an invasive procedure.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it would be nice if they were published, but if there is anything less than flattering towards ml, he may not want to do that to the family, and i do respect that. our best chance at seeing the answers is for them to be "leaked" imo [/*]

From the article....

"Cpl. Laurean no longer worked with Lance Cpl. Lauterbach, and as far as the command knew, no longer associated with her," Kramlich wrote. "At the time of her disappearance, there was no evidence to indicate that Cpl. Laurean had anything to do with Lance Cpl. Lauterbach's unauthorized absence status."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well, this certainly isn't news IMO as we know she left a note for Dan Durham and Durham himself apparently didn't suspect anything. He lived with her correct? Didn't he talk to Anne that night and ask they not do anything right away because Maria might get in trouble? (paraphrased)

There was no reason to suspect Laurean since Maria had been telling them she had no fear of him, allegedly he had not made contact with her, and lastly and most important, IT APPEARED she left of her own free will after a stern conversation with her mother concerning the placement of her child IIRC.

And if you believe what her uncle said about her trying to drop the allegations and the USMC saying no and NCIS about her facing a possible discharge, why suspect Laurean? :confused:

So Turner decides to give out the most innocuous finding that EVERYONE who can read a paper knows already.

NEXT....:(

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


From the link:

Kramlich, responding to 29 questions asked by Turner last month, said the Marines never asked Laurean for a DNA sample. He said they didn't ask because Lauterbach did not report the rape until weeks after it happened, and there was no physical evidence of the rape.

"(The Naval Criminal Investigative Service) decided to postpone taking a sample of her child's DNA until its birth due to the invasiveness of the DNA testing procedure," he wrote.

Kramlich wrote that Lauterbach later told a military prosecutor that "she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean's."

============================

Yikes.

So she'd told the military prosecutor she was certain it was NOT CLs? :eek:

Otherwise just as we have thought--that they didn't get his DNA cuz it was not relevant given when she reported the alleged rape(s).

And that they would not do an amnio because it's an invasive procedure. [/*]

YES, that stuck out like a sore thumb and I wondered if that was why they didn't get the DNA from CL.

ALSO, while the invasive procedure might sound puney, it's not the first time I have seen that kind of reference.

JMO.

So now we know it wasn't just that the child was not a product of rape as far as Maria was concerned, IT WAS that she claimed the child was not that of CESAR IMO. :shrug:

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder if CAL was that cool of a cucumber for the LE not to pick up on any of his body language. If I'm not mistaken the LE were able to talk to him face to face on one occassion in which he clamed up and sought his lawyer(s) where thereafter he failed to show up to meet w/ LE. He was probably having bricks when he was called into whatever office it was on base to talk to LE. [/*]

If the timeline posted is still correct, he went to NCIS on the 8th and was questioned as a witness not a suspect. If he returned the car on the 7th and gets called in on the 8th, doing something with bricks would be a good way to explain it because I don't think he could be cool enough not to show some fear.

IMO, the 7th would be the day he started to become unwound and maybe began his/their alternate plan (plan of not getting caught wasn't working); retain attornies, transfer money, write notes and activate plan for Mexico. IMO, he had help.

I don't see in the timeline when the OCSD formally tried to question him prior to the 7th. Maybe they did because reportedly they were frustrated he wouldn't comply with their requests.

But, knowing OCSD wanted to talk to me would make me do something with the car.

[caejde]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


YES, that stuck out like a sore thumb and I wondered if that was why they didn't get the DNA from CL.

ALSO, while the invasive procedure might sound puney, it's not the first time I have seen that kind of reference.

JMO.

So now we know it wasn't just that the child was not a product of rape as far as Maria was concerned, IT WAS that she claimed the child was not that of CESAR IMO. :shrug: [/*]

And I'm sure everything that Maria said was written down for her to sign and date.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


*snipped*

So now we know it wasn't just that the child was not a product of rape as far as Maria was concerned, IT WAS that she claimed the child was not that of CESAR IMO. :shrug: [/*]

Holy Moly.

Now this is what I call BIG news.

[gaelicpeas]

From Lindell:

"The paper is working on a story about the Congressman now, one of our editors will be speaking to him shortly, and we will be posting the response letter from the Marine Corps too."

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27#comments

[gaelicpeas]

This bit about CL not being the father of the baby. Why was that not included in the MC PC? You would think that would be important to include.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


YES, that stuck out like a sore thumb and I wondered if that was why they didn't get the DNA from CL.

ALSO, while the invasive procedure might sound puney, it's not the first time I have seen that kind of reference.

JMO.

So now we know it wasn't just that the child was not a product of rape as far as Maria was concerned, IT WAS that she claimed the child was not that of CESAR IMO. :shrug: [/*]

And maybe the February due date was correct after all?

:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

And that really doesn't make sense to me if CL was NOT the father of the baby. Why murder her? It would certainly lend credence to his claim that he never had sex with her.

So... that leads me to think that CL no longer had a motive to murder her... but CSL did if she thought CL was the father.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
This bit about CL not being the father of the baby. Why was that not included in the MC PC? You would think that would be important to include.

JMO [/*]

Maybe they were protecting that in deference to her family; i.e. so people wouldn't think Maria was "sleeping around".

:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
And that really doesn't make sense to me if CL was NOT the father of the baby. Why murder her? It would certainly lend credence to his claim that he never had sex with her.

So... that leads me to think that CL no longer had a motive to murder her... but CSL did if she thought CL was the father.

JMO [/*]

Maybe CL did not KNOW that he was not the father.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Maybe they were protecting that in deference to her family; i.e. so people wouldn't think Maria was "sleeping around".

:shrug: [/*]

I dunno, Cryme... this case just gets odder and odder, IMO.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe CL did not KNOW that he was not the father. [/*]

that is definately possible, as well as him being the father but maria not wanting to admit it. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe CL did not KNOW that he was not the father. [/*]

Possibly, Savannah. I am not familiar with how NCIS operates - would they tell CL if ML had told them that he was not the father?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


snipped

So now we know it wasn't just that the child was not a product of rape as far as Maria was concerned, IT WAS that she claimed the child was not that of CESAR IMO. :shrug: [/*]

Yeah. Wow. :eek:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Maybe CL did not KNOW that he was not the father. [/*]

Yikes. That's true.

Maybe he didn't know.

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


ITA about him thinking he/they was/were home free Jan. When reality hit, I'm sure plans had to change somewhat from my POV.

I will be glad when some more info is released and don't feel at all confident LE has the whole story just yet.

JMO tho...:read: [/*]

If they have the whole story they are doing a good job keeping it a secret (unlucky for us). I do think it is "bizarre" to buy a body in your own backyard and build a firepit over it but I'm still waiting for the roller coaster ride to be revealed.

IMO, below is another roller coaster because I dont know that extradition is a given:

"If the fugitive is a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Mexico, then he is considered a Mexican national by the Mexican government, and extradition may not be a viable option. In such cases, a prosecution in Mexico under Article 4 is recommended."

[SavannahStar]

Such a bizarre case. :shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Holy Moly.

Now this is what I call BIG news. [/*]

It really is.

HUGE, as ole Beth Twitty would say.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


that is definately possible, as well as him being the father but maria not wanting to admit it. jmo [/*]

Either way, I'd bet a couple of chickens off the farm that Christina thought he was the father.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


It really is.

HUGE, as ole Beth Twitty would say. [/*]

:D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Either way, I'd bet a couple of chickens off the farm that Christina thought he was the father.

JMO [/*]

Of course. So the theory will fit. :cool:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Of course. So the theory will fit. :cool: [/*]

Not just MY theory.

Look around.

:cool:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


And I'm sure everything that Maria said was written down for her to sign and date. [/*]

Living on base for many years, I can tell you any time you had contact with LE or legal services, you were signing all four corners and your statement itself IMO.

Someone asked the other day if you had to and I thought twice before answering that one. Let's see, if you don't sign it and were offered the opportunity, they could basically say whatever they wanted to and there is nothing to dispute that either.

JMO tho.

I remember you (I THINK CAEJDE) saying you are not required to disclose the paternity when you are a female service member and become pregnant. In the event Maria was being truthful and Cesar was not the father, what a horrible mess.

I can't remember the dates she went home for leave, but I keep thinking there were several incidences in the spring/summer. JMO tho. She could have become pregnant by someone else there at CLJ as far as we know if she denied he was the father, but it could have been someone from home too IMHO.

It gets more confusing each time a piece trickles down.

ALL JMO based on reading here for months now. :patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Holy Moly.

Now this is what I call BIG news. [/*]

Yes, I would say so myself. I hope Turner releases the letter and gets it over with.

JMO.:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Not just MY theory.

Look around.

:cool: [/*]

Yeh yeh I know....you have plenty of company. I'm the outsider.

Me--->:punch:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
This bit about CL not being the father of the baby. Why was that not included in the MC PC? You would think that would be important to include.

JMO [/*]

I don't know if they just presumed it was covered by saying "she adjusted her statement to say" and then the bit about the baby not being a result of the allegations, or if they were waiting and have really gotten the answer to what they were told by Maria (if she told them he was not the father), or if it was challenged at that time.

Don't forget they were late starting because they were going over the material they wanted to present with the family IIRC.

SO, say the family had never heard that and maybe wanted some kind of confirmation and this took place on the phone? The could have ommitted it for that reason too.

Again, we just don't know. :shrug: jmo

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yeh yeh I know....you have plenty of company. I'm the outsider.

Me--->:punch: [/*]

There are a few of us outside with you, SavannahStar! ;)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


And maybe the February due date was correct after all?

:shrug: [/*]

That's certainly possible Cryme and it's also possible they didn't want to say anything without knowing for sure as you have alluded to below. JMO.:read:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yeh yeh I know....you have plenty of company. I'm the outsider.

Me--->:punch: [/*]
You are gracious, polite, and everyone has different degrees to which christina was involved. your degree just happens to be zero. and there's nothing wrong with that. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


that is definately possible, as well as him being the father but maria not wanting to admit it. jmo [/*]

True enough MW. Either way is most definitely a possibility regarding this case with the bizarre twists and turns IMO. ;)

[caejde]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Living on base for many years, I can tell you any time you had contact with LE or legal services, you were signing all four corners and your statement itself IMO.

Someone asked the other day if you had to and I thought twice before answering that one. Let's see, if you don't sign it and were offered the opportunity, they could basically say whatever they wanted to and there is nothing to dispute that either.

JMO tho.

I remember you (I THINK CAEJDE) saying you are not required to disclose the paternity when you are a female service member and become pregnant. In the event Maria was being truthful and Cesar was not the father, what a horrible mess.

I can't remember the dates she went home for leave, but I keep thinking there were several incidences in the spring/summer. JMO tho. She could have become pregnant by someone else there at CLJ as far as we know if she denied he was the father, but it could have been someone from home too IMHO.

It gets more confusing each time a piece trickles down.

ALL JMO based on reading here for months now. :patriot: [/*]

No it wasn't me. But as far as I recall you don't have to disclose it. I was never asked when I was pregnant.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Jan Powell


If they have the whole story they are doing a good job keeping it a secret (unlucky for us). I do think it is "bizarre" to buy a body in your own backyard and build a firepit over it but I'm still waiting for the roller coaster ride to be revealed.

IMO, below is another roller coaster because I dont know that extradition is a given:

"If the fugitive is a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in Mexico, then he is considered a Mexican national by the Mexican government, and extradition may not be a viable option. In such cases, a prosecution in Mexico under Article 4 is recommended." [/*]

While we have been told all the paperwork is in order for extradition, I have always thought along with hinman when she posted here, that the idea he would have a way to fight extradition was very real IMO.

Not just that, but someone here at some point linked the situation where a person in a similar circumstance was brought to trial in Mexico for the allegations out of the USA.

I can't remember who told us about that, but it was very interesting no doubt.

I hope they know what they are talking about when they lead people to believe he would be a quick capture and return. They allegedly have several agencies working on it, so I will choose to believe they are on top of each and every thing that comes out of Mexico.

JMO.:patriot:

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


From the link:

Kramlich, responding to 29 questions asked by Turner last month, said the Marines never asked Laurean for a DNA sample. He said they didn't ask because Lauterbach did not report the rape until weeks after it happened, and there was no physical evidence of the rape.

"(The Naval Criminal Investigative Service) decided to postpone taking a sample of her child's DNA until its birth due to the invasiveness of the DNA testing procedure," he wrote.

Kramlich wrote that Lauterbach later told a military prosecutor that "she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean's."

============================

Yikes.

So she'd told the military prosecutor she was certain it was NOT CLs? :eek:

Otherwise just as we have thought--that they didn't get his DNA cuz it was not relevant given when she reported the alleged rape(s).

And that they would not do an amnio because it's an invasive procedure. [/*]

THe one thing given my opinions on the rape etc I have never been able to figure out is why he would murder if he was pretty sure he wasn't the father. I am down to four theories (lookout GP!)
1. A passion murder would not necessarily need a motive.
2. Cl was going to run away with her and got caught.
3. Although it may not seem "murder worthy" to us, adultery and lying could be career and marriage ending to him and if the relationship had continued he may have doubts as to who the father was. Men have killed over child support before, it wouldn't be the first time.
4. CSL killed her.
Maria's actions from the beginning have convinced me that she was not raped. Also her behaviour towards CL as a rapist is nothing less than bizarre. She seems to be doing an awful of protecting of him. She is not afraid him. She did have consensual sex with him. When asked he stopped. He was not the man who punched her. The baby is not his. She would like to withdraw the charges. And her note....she was leaving because she could not take the MC anymore. Strange that. I know it has been posted that this could post traumatic stress but I don't think so. For some reason she showed some very missplaced loyalty. It is no wonder that even with hindsight no one can really figure this thing out, the MC IMO would have been terribly wrong to go after CL based on this information. Waiting for the DNA is a great solution. Very solomanlike. No one is called a liar and the forensics will determine the outcome IMO

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Either way, I'd bet a couple of chickens off the farm that Christina thought he was the father.

JMO [/*]

And IMO, that is the crux of the case.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


THe one thing given my opinions on the rape etc I have never been able to figure out is why he would murder if he was pretty sure he wasn't the father. I am down to four theories (lookout GP!)
1. A passion murder would not necessarily need a motive.
2. Cl was going to run away with her and got caught.
3. Although it may not seem "murder worthy" to us, adultery and lying could be career and marriage ending to him and if the relationship had continued he may have doubts as to who the father was. Men have killed over child support before, it wouldn't be the first time.
4. CSL killed her.
Maria's actions from the beginning have convinced me that she was not raped. Also her behaviour towards CL as a rapist is nothing less than bizarre. She seems to be doing an awful of protecting of him. She is not afraid him. She did have consensual sex with him. When asked he stopped. He was not the man who punched her. The baby is not his. She would like to withdraw the charges. And her note....she was leaving because she could not take the MC anymore. Strange that. I know it has been posted that this could post traumatic stress but I don't think so. For some reason she showed some very missplaced loyalty. It is no wonder that even with hindsight no one can really figure this thing out, the MC IMO would have been terribly wrong to go after CL based on this information. Waiting for the DNA is a great solution. Very solomanlike. No one is called a liar and the forensics will determine the outcome IMO [/*]

1. If say you wanted to give your former lover a good smacking dose of pain, maybe going over to drop the bomb on him that he wasn't the father and ________ was and you were leaving could be a possibility and might lead to a heat of the moment murder too.

2. Time running out and the wife coming home is a possibility too and it wouldn't bode well for either one of them. I keep thinking Maria was running to the garage whether it was become Christina was coming in the door or because her and Cesar were actually physically fighting. Just can't completely wrap my mind around that tho.

3. Stress hitting the ultimate kill button has never been far from my mind. We have no idea the kind of stress both were under and what really fueled the rape allegations one month later.

4. You know that is on my mind as a possibility because I tend to think she would be very angry after waiting all afternoon for him and walking in to find the woman she had already confronted about what she was trying to do to her family. I can't even imagine how ANGRY I would be, but trust me, it wouldn't be pretty if that was the case.


Those are pretty good theories Bay. I have to say that I hadn't given a thought to the idea of them perhaps planning to leave and putting some distance between them with the USMC too. Hmm...I have to think about that, but it sure sounds reasonable if they were making a plan to leave, doesn't it?

ALL JMO based on different theories and reading many articles and viewing videos available on the case.
:patriot:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Maria's car could have been in the Laurean's garage on the 14th, since we aren't aware of the state of their garage during the time Maria went missing and was murdered.

We only know what their garage looked like on 1/11/08 when the LE arrived.

We do have the neighbor's saying they saw Laurean driving Maria's car sometime during or after the 12/14 timeframe (paraphrasing of course). These neighbor's also recall that CSL's car was gone during part of this time too.

But any way you slice or dice it, Maria's car wasn't at the bus station the entire time. Whoever parked her car back at the bus station did that purposely---THIS PERSON wanted her car found. If the person or persons involved didn't want her car found, they could have simply parked it down some seldom travelled road and left it there.

I feel this was done to carry on the story that Maria had gone UA.

As to where her car was parked prior to 1/7/08, her car could have been parked any number of places....Walmart parking lot, an apartment complex, Lowe's parking lot, Home Depot, the list is endless.

Remember there was also the For Sale sign in her car too.

jmo [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: I agree that Maria's car was purposefully left at the bus station to go along with her supposedly having gone to El Paso on the bus. I don't think it could've been left at Lowe's or HD parking lot very long before being towed, but it's possible it was put either in CL's garage or someplace else he knew of.

[martha]

Originally posted by marinewife5

You are gracious, polite, and everyone has different degrees to which christina was involved. your degree just happens to be zero. and there's nothing wrong with that. jmo [/*] the wife is the last to know a lot of times. Maybe this thing with ml and cl was a love affair to start with and maybe they keep it up all the way thru to the end. cl may have told her when it gets time for the baby i will go with you. we will both leave the mc. maybe ml just told it was rape to get him to prom her all the things she wanted to hear. ml prob wanted to believe cl loved her and the baby and would go with. maybe she got the ticket and was leaving on the bus and cl told her he would meet her there and then they would go on to mexico where he had family.ML was not afraid of him if she went to his house that day. maybe they were making love and tine come in on them anc caught them and come up behind ml and hit her in the head with the crow bar.???? this is all just thinking nothing that is any proff too. you all know it is just mo no facts no prof. I think the wife always wants to believe her husband but had she been behind all this time and come in and caught them togeather boy would that burn you up. ml was young cl was young and so maybe they thought their love would see them thru this mess. just wondering. please don;t get mad at me for posting this. If ml had not had a lot of love in her life she may have fallen for his story about loveing her so much. now i know her family loved her but we need other peoples love too.:rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by martha
the wife is the last to know a lot of times. Maybe this thing with ml and cl was a love affair to start with and maybe they keep it up all the way thru to the end. cl may have told her when it gets time for the baby i will go with you. we will both leave the mc. maybe ml just told it was rape to get him to prom her all the things she wanted to hear. ml prob wanted to believe cl loved her and the baby and would go with. maybe she got the ticket and was leaving on the bus and cl told her he would meet her there and then they would go on to mexico where he had family.ML was not afraid of him if she went to his house that day. maybe they were making love and tine come in on them anc caught them and come up behind ml and hit her in the head with the crow bar.???? this is all just thinking nothing that is any proff too. you all know it is just mo no facts no prof. I think the wife always wants to believe her husband but had she been behind all this time and come in and caught them togeather boy would that burn you up. ml was young cl was young and so maybe they thought their love would see them thru this mess. just wondering. please don;t get mad at me for posting this. If ml had not had a lot of love in her life she may have fallen for his story about loveing her so much. now i know her family loved her but we need other peoples love too.:rose: [/*]

i can see that scenario happening. and if cl had not cheated to begin with, none of this mess would be happening to any of their family and friends. jmo

[martha]

Just saying when you or that young you want someone to love you and tell you all the time how much they love you how pretty you or and at work sometimes a co worked does just that. A lot of the times at work you find someone that will listen to you and talk to you and brag on you like no one elce has done. then before you know it you have grown close to that person. I have been married 52 years and I think and hope my husband has loved me the way i love him. I would never let any man come between us. I can see how silly i was at 20 tho. My husband is and was and will always be a ver jealous person and there were times i would get so mad at him for not trusting me. lol we or both to old for that now. I don;t really know what to think went on between ml and cl. I just wish it had not ended like it did. I know they could have worked it out. I wish he would come back and face what every it is. he has a wife and baby that need for him to do that. so very many pepole have been hurt by this mess:rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


1. If say you wanted to give your former lover a good smacking dose of pain, maybe going over to drop the bomb on him that he wasn't the father and ________ was and you were leaving could be a possibility and might lead to a heat of the moment murder too.

*snipped*

4. You know that is on my mind as a possibility because I tend to think she would be very angry after waiting all afternoon for him and walking in to find the woman she had already confronted about what she was trying to do to her family. I can't even imagine how ANGRY I would be, but trust me, it wouldn't be pretty if that was the case.


*snipped*

[/*]

Just wanted to address these two points, Candy.

#1 - This sounds plausible to me.

#4 - Problem is, we don't know for fact that Christina expected Cesar at that party. I think there is a good possibility he wasn't going, and Christina was aware of that and was planning on going herself anyway.

[martha]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i can see that scenario happening. and if cl had not cheated to begin with, none of this mess would be happening to any of their family and friends. jmo [/*] thank you mw5 i just know if i had been backing my husband all along and come in on them making love boy!!!!! i know i would have done something crazy. we just never know what we would do if we really loved someone and this happened. i think that is when someone just goes blind crazy.:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by martha
the wife is the last to know a lot of times. Maybe this thing with ml and cl was a love affair to start with and maybe they keep it up all the way thru to the end. cl may have told her when it gets time for the baby i will go with you. we will both leave the mc. maybe ml just told it was rape to get him to prom her all the things she wanted to hear. ml prob wanted to believe cl loved her and the baby and would go with. maybe she got the ticket and was leaving on the bus and cl told her he would meet her there and then they would go on to mexico where he had family.ML was not afraid of him if she went to his house that day. maybe they were making love and tine come in on them anc caught them and come up behind ml and hit her in the head with the crow bar.???? this is all just thinking nothing that is any proff too. you all know it is just mo no facts no prof. I think the wife always wants to believe her husband but had she been behind all this time and come in and caught them togeather boy would that burn you up. ml was young cl was young and so maybe they thought their love would see them thru this mess. just wondering. please don;t get mad at me for posting this. If ml had not had a lot of love in her life she may have fallen for his story about loveing her so much. now i know her family loved her but we need other peoples love too.:rose: [/*]

I don't dismiss that possibility either martha. I have always had reservations about how long he would have waited and the idea that he would have done such a sloppy job IF HE EVER considered it prior to that day and put thought into it. For me it just doesn't add up. I can't imagine what was going on within the marriage either once a rape allegation was made.

So, your scenario is just as possible as any other here IMO. :patriot:

Some day when friends of both Maria and Cesar can speak out freely, just maybe we will know better what kind of relationship they had and if both were in it for more than an interlude. JMO.

[martha]

Originally posted by baywench


THe one thing given my opinions on the rape etc I have never been able to figure out is why he would murder if he was pretty sure he wasn't the father. I am down to four theories (lookout GP!)
1. A passion murder would not necessarily need a motive.
2. Cl was going to run away with her and got caught.
3. Although it may not seem "murder worthy" to us, adultery and lying could be career and marriage ending to him and if the relationship had continued he may have doubts as to who the father was. Men have killed over child support before, it wouldn't be the first time.
4. CSL killed her.
Maria's actions from the beginning have convinced me that she was not raped. Also her behaviour towards CL as a rapist is nothing less than bizarre. She seems to be doing an awful of protecting of him. She is not afraid him. She did have consensual sex with him. When asked he stopped. He was not the man who punched her. The baby is not his. She would like to withdraw the charges. And her note....she was leaving because she could not take the MC anymore. Strange that. I know it has been posted that this could post traumatic stress but I don't think so. For some reason she showed some very missplaced loyalty. It is no wonder that even with hindsight no one can really figure this thing out, the MC IMO would have been terribly wrong to go after CL based on this information. Waiting for the DNA is a great solution. Very solomanlike. No one is called a liar and the forensics will determine the outcome IMO [/*]ITA you have some very good points.catching the love of your life would be the worst of the worst and i can;t say what i would do.I don;t have anything in me that would think i would kill someone but you never know.:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
why I don't know....
there must be something we don't know.
By now the dna should ahve come back so someone knows if Cl was the father and why they are holding back on it baffles me unless it could prove embarrasing to the military in some respect.

I thought I had read somewhere that the military was keeping copies of soldiers/sailors/airmen's dna in case they were killed in duty and they didn't have all the remains.I know in the case of some of our soldiers kidnapped and murdered in Iraq the remains were identified by dna comparison. [/*]

I think there are legal constraints on its use and we thought this could possibly tie into an extreme legal situation that was listed, but not sure.

I don't know what the reasons are or if it's the decision of the military to not release paternity. Do you know if it is their decision?

Given the info out today that she claimed the baby was not Cesar's, I don't know how it could be embarassing to anyone. But that's JMO. :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Either way, I'd bet a couple of chickens off the farm that Christina thought he was the father.

JMO [/*]
And I'll definitely agree. :chicken: :chicken: <---- your two chickens!

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by martha
Just saying when you or that young you want someone to love you and tell you all the time how much they love you how pretty you or and at work sometimes a co worked does just that. A lot of the times at work you find someone that will listen to you and talk to you and brag on you like no one elce has done. then before you know it you have grown close to that person. I have been married 52 years and I think and hope my husband has loved me the way i love him. I would never let any man come between us. I can see how silly i was at 20 tho. My husband is and was and will always be a ver jealous person and there were times i would get so mad at him for not trusting me. lol we or both to old for that now. I don;t really know what to think went on between ml and cl. I just wish it had not ended like it did. I know they could have worked it out. I wish he would come back and face what every it is. he has a wife and baby that need for him to do that. so very many pepole have been hurt by this mess:rose: [/*]

Great post Martha.

Congrats to you and your husband both for 52 years of marriage.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Just wanted to address these two points, Candy.

#1 - This sounds plausible to me.

#4 - Problem is, we don't know for fact that Christina expected Cesar at that party. I think there is a good possibility he wasn't going, and Christina was aware of that and was planning on going herself anyway. [/*]

I think Bay's #1 is a possibility too.

I was just trying to find what I thought was a link to SB saying that she was waiting for him at the party. I can't put my fingers on it, so I don't know for sure, but I thought I remembered that.

JMO:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

And I'll definitely agree. :chicken: :chicken: <---- your two chickens! [/*]

Are you upping the anty?:eek:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think Bay's #1 is a possibility too.

I was just trying to find what I thought was a link to SB saying that she was waiting for him at the party. I can't put my fingers on it, so I don't know for sure, but I thought I remembered that.

JMO:seeya: [/*]

I don't remember that at all. If you find it, please post. I have been going under the assumption we don't know if she expected him there or not. I know many on here "assumed" she was there and was angry that he was not.......I don't think we know.....

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think there are legal constraints on its use and we thought this could possibly tie into an extreme legal situation that was listed, but not sure.

I don't know what the reasons are or if it's the decision of the military to not release paternity. Do you know if it is their decision?

Given the info out today that she claimed the baby was not Cesar's, I don't know how it could be embarassing to anyone. But that's JMO. :( [/*]
Sorry if I missed it, but did the Corps use his DNA sample to match it up with the baby's DNA or are they waiting for him to be captured to take a sample? I'm curious what their protocol is too.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Are you upping the anty?:eek: [/*]
(I think we're right, you won't lose your :chicken: :chicken: !!)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by martha
Just saying when you or that young you want someone to love you and tell you all the time how much they love you how pretty you or and at work sometimes a co worked does just that. A lot of the times at work you find someone that will listen to you and talk to you and brag on you like no one elce has done. then before you know it you have grown close to that person. I have been married 52 years and I think and hope my husband has loved me the way i love him. I would never let any man come between us. I can see how silly i was at 20 tho. My husband is and was and will always be a ver jealous person and there were times i would get so mad at him for not trusting me. lol we or both to old for that now. I don;t really know what to think went on between ml and cl. I just wish it had not ended like it did. I know they could have worked it out. I wish he would come back and face what every it is. he has a wife and baby that need for him to do that. so very many pepole have been hurt by this mess:rose: [/*]

Martha, you are a lovely soul with much insight, compassion and humanity stored away. Thanks for sharing it with us. You remind us of some human emotions and feelings we often dismiss and how crucial they seem at different ages in our lives. I find myself shaking my head in agreement as I read your posts and just want to congratulate you on 52 years.

You're right Cesar needs to come back for a number of reasons and I guess my first concern is for that child.

But facing lady justice is a must and there has to be justice for his part in this tragedy IMO.

JMO. :patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

Sorry if I missed it, but did the Corps use his DNA sample to match it up with the baby's DNA or are they waiting for him to be captured to take a sample? I'm curious what their protocol is too. [/*]

I don't think so unless this was taken out of context and the letter goes on to state otherwise sun.

"(The Naval Criminal Investigative Service) decided to postpone taking a sample of her child's DNA until its birth due to the invasiveness of the DNA testing procedure," he wrote.

Kramlich wrote that Lauterbach later told a military prosecutor that "she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean's."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr

JMO
:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Check out Ann's comment toward the end:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9#comments

[Jan Powell]

I read this before and didn't understand it then, I still don't.

(Merle Wilberding attorney for Lauterbach):

"He said he was troubled that it took more than seven months for them to investigate Lauterbach's accusation of rape........"

Is he saying because they hadn't had this Article 32 hearing they hadn't investigate the rape allegation? Or is that hearing for something else?

On October 22, 2007, the regimental commander submits a request for legal services requesting prosecutors review the investigation and provide a recommended Course of Action with an eye towards an Article 32 investigation. An Article 32 investigation allows for witnesses to testify under oath and subject to cross examination. An accused is present and represented by counsel.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Check out Ann's comment toward the end:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9#comments [/*]

OH yeh right........

[caejde]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Check out Ann's comment toward the end:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9#comments [/*]

I don't know how much I believe that. Could be true. But it is a message board after all. There was a post from someone on JD News that said that Christina was waiting at the part on Cesar and she was mad because he never showed up. Same person also said that they stayed up that night talking about what he had done.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
I read this before and didn't understand it then, I still don't.

(Merle Wilberding attorney for Lauterbach):

"He said he was troubled that it took more than seven months for them to investigate Lauterbach's accusation of rape........"

Is he saying because they hadn't had this Article 32 hearing they hadn't investigate the rape allegation? Or is that hearing for something else?

On October 22, 2007, the regimental commander submits a request for legal services requesting prosecutors review the investigation and provide a recommended Course of Action with an eye towards an Article 32 investigation. An Article 32 investigation allows for witnesses to testify under oath and subject to cross examination. An accused is present and represented by counsel. [/*]

My interpretation is that it had been 7 months and no charges had been made. The Article 32 determines if there is enough evidence to take to court martial.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I don't think so unless this was taken out of context and the letter goes on to state otherwise sun.

"(The Naval Criminal Investigative Service) decided to postpone taking a sample of her child's DNA until its birth due to the invasiveness of the DNA testing procedure," he wrote.

Kramlich wrote that Lauterbach later told a military prosecutor that "she was certain the child was not Cpl. Laurean's."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn041008turnerinside.html?cxntlid=inform_artr

JMO
:shrug: [/*]
Yes I understand that part, but now that they'd have the DNA from the baby, I was just wondering if they'd used his sample on file to see if it matched or wait until he is caught ~ which would make the paternity still unknown. Who else would she have been seeing who could be the father? I'm :confused: !!!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by caejde


I don't know how much I believe that. Could be true. But it is a message board after all. There was a post from someone on JD News that said that Christina was waiting at the part on Cesar and she was mad because he never showed up. Same person also said that they stayed up that night talking about what he had done. [/*]

Yep. The 15 minutes of fame syndrome.

[caejde]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yep. The 15 minutes of fame syndrome. [/*]

Cus I sure can't remember what I did back in December. I can give a general idea. And surely if something like that was going to be said, it wouldn't be said loud enough where everyone could hear.

[martha]

My computer went off so i don;t think the last post i did went thru but my mother used to tell me never say you want do anything because you will sure end up doing it and i find she was right. I have no hate in my heart for anyone GOD has blessed me with a love for all. I can;t see my self ever hurting someone but when someone just goes blind with rage anything can happen. thanks to all of you my husband and i have had a very good life togeather don;t get me wrong we had bad times along with the good. If he ever did anything wrong to me i don;t know it. and do not want to know it. I know what he thinks and what he is going to do ever before he does it ha He stays right under most of the time. He don;t want me to do anything if he can;t do it with me. I am blessed with a very good husband. he had a stroke and i have to take care of him now but i don;t mind. he has no short term memory which is bad and i have to think for him but i am sure if it was the other way aroung he would take care of me. sorry i have got so o/t when i look at ml picture i just can;t help but cry there was no need for this to end like it did.thank you all for list to all my mess ha love you all and hope cl is caught soon:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by sunstar

Sorry if I missed it, but did the Corps use his DNA sample to match it up with the baby's DNA or are they waiting for him to be captured to take a sample? I'm curious what their protocol is too. [/*] i would like to know this too. why can;t they tell if cl dna matches the baby? i can;t see anything wrong with telling that. oh well jmho:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by Jan Powell


Great post Martha.

Congrats to you and your husband both for 52 years of marriage. [/*] THANKS JANPOWELL :rose:

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by caejde


My interpretation is that it had been 7 months and no charges had been made. The Article 32 determines if there is enough evidence to take to court martial. [/*]

Thank you.

I guess I misunderstood what he meant by "investigation". I took it to mean they hadn't done anything for 7 months.

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Check out Ann's comment toward the end:

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9#comments [/*]

EGAD! I hope she not reporting this for the first time. FGS, why wouldn't you call local authorities if you thought the car was stolen.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by martha
My computer went off so i don;t think the last post i did went thru but my mother used to tell me never say you want do anything because you will sure end up doing it and i find she was right. I have no hate in my heart for anyone GOD has blessed me with a love for all. I can;t see my self ever hurting someone but when someone just goes blind with rage anything can happen. thanks to all of you my husband and i have had a very good life togeather don;t get me wrong we had bad times along with the good. If he ever did anything wrong to me i don;t know it. and do not want to know it. I know what he thinks and what he is going to do ever before he does it ha He stays right under most of the time. He don;t want me to do anything if he can;t do it with me. I am blessed with a very good husband. he had a stroke and i have to take care of him now but i don;t mind. he has no short term memory which is bad and i have to think for him but i am sure if it was the other way aroung he would take care of me. sorry i have got so o/t when i look at ml picture i just can;t help but cry there was no need for this to end like it did.thank you all for list to all my mess ha love you all and hope cl is caught soon:rose: [/*]
How beautiful, martha, and you both are very blessed to have each other. So many don't have that good fortune. :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


EGAD! I hope she not reporting this for the first time. FGS, why wouldn't you call local authorities if you thought the car was stolen. [/*]
Very very interesting, and just as I thought, assuming it's true! :) I did notice another person making the same comment about calling LE if she thought it was a stolen car.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Hmmm, I don't think he's saying that the car was at the bus station parking lot from 12/15 until 1/7 either. Apparently, Lindell doesn't think so either.

:shrug: [/*]

Could the car have been at C.L.'s brother's place?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Devotion


Could the car have been at C.L.'s brother's place? [/*]
I thought of that as a very good possibility as well as him helping CL get out of town.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


EGAD! I hope she not reporting this for the first time. FGS, why wouldn't you call local authorities if you thought the car was stolen. [/*]

I agree... and I also agree with what Caejde posted about why they would say this loud enough to be overheard.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by sunstar

I thought of that as a very good possibility as well as him helping CL get out of town. [/*]

I'm not convinced that CL has a brother in Jacksonville. JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by Kel65


I'm not convinced that CL has a brother in Jacksonville. JMO [/*]

I'm really having trouble believing that anyone but CL and CSL are involved in this. I'll eat one of those chickens if I am wrong. JMO

[IvySterling]

Marine response in missing soldier case

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8149479


Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Marine response in missing soldier case

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8149479


Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. [/*]

This speaks very poorly of Congressman Turner IMHO.

Shame on him for using the media to try and sully the reputation of the USMC, but when they respond, piecing the letter out. :no:

That dog doesn't hunt here....(in my Dr. Phil voice).

JMO.

Tho, the answer about the DNA is certainly best presented by the Q&A portion WDTN from my POV. That makes much more sense.

My guess is that the answers were nothing like what he was expecting given the information he was getting from Mary IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Devotion


Could the car have been at C.L.'s brother's place? [/*]

Where is CL's brothers' place? :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Marine response in missing soldier case

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/story.asp?S=8149479


Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. [/*]

How interesting and I don't know why I hadn't thought of that before.

Maria, herself, really took the issue of Laurean being the father out of the picture when she told them in November that Gabriel was not a product of the rape. For her to agree with that she would have to know she had had sex with someone after then.

By Maria stating this she was saying that Gabriel was conceived from a consensual sexual encounter or relationship after the allegations. Now that really peaks my interest especially if the February due date was correct and if this child did turn out to be Cesar's then it would show that encounters had happened after her claims of March and April or it would show that there was another man who was Gabriel's father.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


How interesting and I don't know why I hadn't thought of that before.

Maria, herself, really took the issue of Laurean being the father out of the picture when she told them in November that Gabriel was not a product of the rape. For her to agree with that she would have to know she had had sex with someone after then.

By Maria stating this she was saying that Gabriel was conceived from a consensual sexual encounter or relationship after the allegations. Now that really peaks my interest especially if the February due date was correct and if this child did turn out to be Cesar's then it would show that encounters had happened after her claims of March and April or it would show that there was another man who was Gabriel's father.

imoo [/*]

From the link.....

In May 2007, when LCpl Lauterbach formally made allegations of rape against Cpl Laurean, the command was only made aware of 2 reported sexual encounters - one sexual encounter characterized as consensual by LCpl Lauterbach and the other alleged by her to be rape. LCpl Lauterbach never alleged any violence or threat of violence in either sexual encounter.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My guess is this piece "was only made aware of 2 reported sexual encounters" might play a role in why we are not seeing the letter in its entirety.

JMO, but I think much more came to light during the investigation and the USMC has been more than reasonable from my POV.

Time will tell. :patriot:
jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Devotion


Could the car have been at C.L.'s brother's place? [/*]

Do you mean brother in law? As in Tyler, Amber's husband?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


I'm really having trouble believing that anyone but CL and CSL are involved in this. I'll eat one of those chickens if I am wrong. JMO [/*]

And I'll join you.

Southern fried?

Whoever helped him, assuming someone did, it was someone who was not afraid that Cesar would rat them out, or Cesar wasn't afraid they would rat him out.

You'd have to be mighty close to keep that kind of secret for any length of time.

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Where is CL's brothers' place? :shrug: [/*]
I didn't know if the post was referring to Cesar or Christina :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

I thought of that as a very good possibility as well as him helping CL get out of town. [/*]

Or Cesar had already left before the 4 a.m. time and this person was the one who dropped off all the breadcrumb clues.

:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Or Cesar had already left before the 4 a.m. time and this person was the one who dropped off all the breadcrumb clues.

:shrug: [/*]

Yes but as was said it sure would be hard to keep a secret (especially with MC and LE) for this long. I wouldn't cover my own brother if he had done something like this. JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I didn't know if the post was referring to Cesar or Christina :shrug: [/*]

Perhaps the poster was referring to the registered owner of CAL's truck: Salvador Laurean and the address on the registration was of 904 Gum Branch Road. I remember the address because Ed Lavenwhatever from CNN was the one who questioned the address and made a comment the address was fictitious (paraphrasing). IIRC, someone did a person search and there were 2 Salvador Laurean's...one age 32 and the other in their 50's.

Which 904 is like an open lot, with no physical building structure.

MW needs to put that on her to do list and ride by just to make sure. <Hear that MW?>

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Or Cesar had already left before the 4 a.m. time and this person was the one who dropped off all the breadcrumb clues.

:shrug: [/*]

Which is very possible...either way, by the time OCSD had word of the 'novellas' CAL had time to already be in the Triangle area, buying sunglasses, checking into a motel, etc., etc. well before a BOLO went out.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


And I'll join you.

Southern fried?

Whoever helped him, assuming someone did, it was someone who was not afraid that Cesar would rat them out, or Cesar wasn't afraid they would rat him out.

You'd have to be mighty close to keep that kind of secret for any length of time.

JMO [/*]

Unless there's only one left to keep the secret. Then it becomes very easy IMO. :D

JMO tho.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Unless there's only one left to keep the secret. Then it becomes very easy IMO. :D

JMO tho. [/*]

It do that!

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Which is very possible...either way, by the time OCSD had word of the 'novellas' CAL had time to already be in the Triangle area, buying sunglasses, checking into a motel, etc., etc. well before a BOLO went out.

jmo [/*]

Or catching that 4:30 a.m. bus that used to leave Raleigh bound for El Paso, with a stop off in Shreveport as well as Houston.

;)

(They have since changed that schedule btw.)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


Yes but as was said it sure would be hard to keep a secret (especially with MC and LE) for this long. I wouldn't cover my own brother if he had done something like this. JMO [/*]

Not cover, but if you were up to your eyeballs in it as well as your brother....

:D

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Perhaps the poster was referring to the registered owner of CAL's truck: Salvador Laurean and the address on the registration was of 904 Gum Branch Road. I remember the address because Ed Lavenwhatever from CNN was the one who questioned the address and made a comment the address was fictitious (paraphrasing). IIRC, someone did a person search and there were 2 Salvador Laurean's...one age 32 and the other in their 50's.

Which 904 is like an open lot, with no physical building structure.

MW needs to put that on her to do list and ride by just to make sure. <Hear that MW?>

jmo [/*]

already did. no such address.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


already did. no such address. [/*]

I thought so but couldn't remember! TYVM

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I thought so but couldn't remember! TYVM [/*]

YVW

I'm not buying the ann story over at off the cuff. just someone looking for a reaction, imo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


already did. no such address. [/*]

I wonder if that was an error on the registration... or what? Seems odd to me...

Do you know if there was anything torn down at that address, or where that address would be if it were there?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


YVW

I'm not buying the ann story over at off the cuff. just someone looking for a reaction, imo [/*]

Me neither! That's prolly one of those 15 minute famers, LOL.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I wonder if that was an error on the registration... or what? Seems odd to me...

Do you know if there was anything torn down at that address, or where that address would be if it were there? [/*]

it would be part of someone's yard. nothing ever there. i'm thinking maybe a typo. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it would be part of someone's yard. nothing ever there. i'm thinking maybe a typo. jmo [/*]

903 is a rental or was it 905?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by sunstar

Sorry if I missed it, but did the Corps use his DNA sample to match it up with the baby's DNA or are they waiting for him to be captured to take a sample? I'm curious what their protocol is too. [/*]

Not sure why they would be doing this at all, since ML said the baby was not his.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


903 is a rental or was it 905? [/*]

902--apt complex

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Jan Powell
I read this before and didn't understand it then, I still don't.

(Merle Wilberding attorney for Lauterbach):

"He said he was troubled that it took more than seven months for them to investigate Lauterbach's accusation of rape........"

Is he saying because they hadn't had this Article 32 hearing they hadn't investigate the rape allegation? Or is that hearing for something else?

snipped. [/*]

He is just a windbag, imo, and thinks that there had been no investigation for 7 months.

Probly watched that First 48 show.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


OH yeh right........ [/*]

Right.

I wonder if it was before or after the swat team at Mrs L's sister?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


902--apt complex [/*]

Yes even on the right, odd on the left... hammer me!

[hinman]

I can not believe he is caught.....

[Land Shark®]

"The main suspect in the killing of pregnant fellow Marine Maria Lauterbach has been captured, the FBI says."

cnn.com

[nana2]

Thank God!!!!

RIP Gabriel and Maria

<happy dance>

[hinman]

Thank you Lan shark I heard this just now and my heart stopped. I am still trying to catchmy breath and not cry.

[nana2]

Originally posted by hinman
Thank you Lan shark I heard this just now and my heart stopped. I am still trying to catchmy breath and not cry. [/*] I know LK said it so caus....Im like what,what?????

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes even on the right, odd on the left... hammer me! [/*]

unless its odd on the right, even on the left.

[vonna]

What great news!!!!!!

[Janz]

Originally posted by hinman
Thank you Lan shark I heard this just now and my heart stopped. I am still trying to catchmy breath and not cry. [/*]

Thank Goodness, I had almost given up all hope!!

[hinman]

News conference tomorrow.

[CANDYKISSES]

THANK GOD....at last we are on the way to justice for the murder of Maria and Gabriel. :rose:

[Lyn_T]

OMG...on CNN now, I just walked in on it.

Thank you

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
News conference tomorrow. [/*]

TOMORROW.....:rolleyes:


:cuss:

[Kel65]

Hip hip hooray!!!!

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


TOMORROW.....:rolleyes:


:cuss: [/*]I know I will not be able to sleep tonight. No one knows how he was caught.

[Land Shark®]

You're welcome hinman.

It was also reported on MSNBC one minute ago.

[marinewife5]

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Marine Charged With Killing Pregnant Colleague Captured
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350032,00.html

[CanCan]

Yippeee!!!


MSNBC says CL is taken into custody in Mexico!!!!!

[Jan Powell]

Susan Candiotti (sp) is reporting that some type of contact had been made earlier about him returning but it fell through?

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Marine Charged With Killing Pregnant Colleague Captured
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350032,00.html [/*]

Oh Thank God, prayers answered

[Cury-us Coyote]

Man accused in fellow Marine's death captured
http://www.cnn.com/

[hinman]

I will not be around tomorrow until after 3:mad:

Someone please take good notes for me. I will try to catch up on the 40 pages that I am sure I will come back to. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow.

[nana2]

They cut off all his resourses so theoretically they smoked him out :beer:

[Kel65]

Wonder if Christina is sweating?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by hinman
I will not be around tomorrow until after 3:mad:

Someone please take good notes for me. I will try to catch up on the 40 pages that I am sure I will come back to. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow. [/*]

I will dvr everything possible for you!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
Hip hip hooray!!!! [/*]

I hope this is going to be a quick turnover Kel. I continue to hope he will be cooperative with the authorities when he is in the USA.

Just a pipe dream I know, but I am still hoping.

:patriot: JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65
Wonder if Christina is sweating? [/*]

it is about to get interesting....

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
Wonder if Christina is sweating? [/*]

My money says "bullets". JMO tho.:patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it is about to get interesting.... [/*]

donchu know it girl! :o

[Missti]

I hope he was tormented the whole time we was out...and will me more tormented while he spends the rest of his years in jail.

Prayers have been answered...he is now captured.


May justice be served for the victim :rose:

[Lyn_T]

Greta will be on soon and she is reporting on FOX about it.

[Janz]

Originally posted by hinman
I will not be around tomorrow until after 3:mad:

Someone please take good notes for me. I will try to catch up on the 40 pages that I am sure I will come back to. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow. [/*]

I am not suprised that you would do the wonderful thing of being a volunteer for Hospice. Godspeed to you, Hinman!!!

[CanCan]

Originally posted by hinman
I will not be around tomorrow until after 3:mad:

Someone please take good notes for me. I will try to catch up on the 40 pages that I am sure I will come back to. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow. [/*]

Hinman---you're a sweetie to volunteer like that. I'm 3 weeks behind myself right now, but we'll take good notes for you!!

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


donchu know it girl! :o [/*]

GET OUT!!!! I actually had to do some work and just logged back on. It's for real right? I do not have TV access. Tell all. OH MY GOD.....HURRAH!!!!!!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by hinman
. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow. [/*]

God bless you. :rose:

[donna]

:beer:

WOW!!!!!!

I just woke up and heard the news!!!!

GREAT!!!!!!!

[lilCanuck]

THEY CAUGHT HIM...!!!!!!!!!!

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by hinman
I can not believe he is caught..... [/*]

Thank God he is in custody, Hinman, I saw it and could only think of your dedication on this thread. Glad your here.

Justice for Maria and little baby. :rose:

[marinewife5]

i'm fighting the urge to hug my laptop! i am not sure my stomach can handle seeing him live. all we've seen up to now is still photos.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Greta will be on soon and she is reporting on FOX about it. [/*]
I just heard her announcement too and anxiously awaiting the details!

[Missti]

Originally posted by baywench


GET OUT!!!! I actually had to do some work and just logged back on. It's for real right? I do not have TV access. Tell all. OH MY GOD.....HURRAH!!!!!! [/*]

Not much to tell yet....they are just saying he has been captured in Mexico....

CNN covering now....just captured 2 hours ago!

[hinman]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I will dvr everything possible for you! [/*] Thank you so much.

[Missti]

CNN reporting...he will be transferred to another jail within the next 48 hours...they expect him to be extradited back to the US - expect it to be "pretty swift".

[lilCanuck]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


Why have we lost henry?

[martha]

Originally posted by donna
:beer:

WOW!!!!!!

I just woke up and heard the news!!!!

GREAT!!!!!!! [/*] i can;t believe this i just want to cry and keep crying i can;t find cnn but i got on wral and they have a post there he is caught and is still in mexico thank GOD for ans our prayers:rose: my heart is over flowing

[martha]

Originally posted by lilCanuck
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


Why have we lost henry? [/*] i pm her and she will be back once he is caught

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by tbrito1


HUGS TO YOU MARINE WIFE AND ALL THAT HAVE BEEN POSTING. I'M SOOOOO HAPPY...HE IS IN JAIL RIGHT NOW IN MEXICO... [/*]

I HAVE FREAKIN' GOOSEBUMPS!

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6074380

[Missti]

:rose: :rose: for the victims.....justice IS coming....

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by lilCanuck
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


Why have we lost henry? [/*]

this is just the thing to bring her back...these dots for....henry:rose:

[lilCanuck]

Our hearts are so full right now.. it's hard to find words to even type. I want to hug *everyone* .. !!!!!!!!!

[Fallen Angel]

OMG OMG OMG


what a wonderful day it is.


He could run but he couldn't hide.



God bless Maria and her little angel:rose:

[StickyBeak]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24057875/

CHARLOTTE, N.C. - The FBI says it has taken a North Carolina-based Marine wanted in the brutal murder of a pregnant colleague into custody.



:beer:

[Amy S.]

Where is that picture coming from of him with the beard? Is that current or is it a mock-up?

I am watching Larry King, CNN.

I was afraid he would never be caught.

[donna]

Originally posted by martha
i can;t believe this i just want to cry and keep crying i can;t find cnn but i got on wral and they have a post there he is caught and is still in mexico thank GOD for ans our prayers:rose: my heart is over flowing [/*]

Martha, we have all had our prayers answered!!!!!

:rose:

[hinman]

Originally posted by marinewife5
i'm fighting the urge to hug my laptop! i am not sure my stomach can handle seeing him live. all we've seen up to now is still photos. [/*] I know what you mean

Thank you all for the kind words about me volunteering for Hospice.

My kids our all grown up and I have to do something with myself. I have that empty nest syndrome since son is graduating soon.

[baywench]

Originally posted by hinman
I will not be around tomorrow until after 3:mad:

Someone please take good notes for me. I will try to catch up on the 40 pages that I am sure I will come back to. I have joined hospice as a volunteer and already made plans tomorrow. [/*]

Oh Man Hinman, way to make me feel like slugslime for not giving back::o

[lilCanuck]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


I don't understand, what happened to Henry???

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Land Shark®
The photo on Larry King Live looks nothing like him.

Full beard and very tan. [/*]

That was the FBI re-touching picture of CAL with a beard and tan, NOT an actual photo of him.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Land Shark®
The photo on Larry King Live looks nothing like him.

Full beard and very tan. [/*]
WOW ~ like the FBI had guessed he'd be. Maybe that retouched photo did do something.
:patriot:

OOPS I see now they were showing that photo.

[Amy S.]

Land Shark, Funny, I thought the picture looked exactly like him. I guess it is his eyes. Funny how different people can see different things.

Maria's family must be very happy!

[Land Shark®]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


That was the FBI re-touching picture of CAL with a beard and tan, NOT an actual photo of him.

Oops. Sorry about that. I haven't seen anything on this case in a long time.

I'll delete previous post pronto. ;)

[hinman]

Originally posted by tbrito1


HINMAN, CAN YOU BELIEVE HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT, I'M NOT SURE I'LL BE ABLE TO SLEEP TONIGHT, I'M SO EXCITED AND SATISFIED. GOD BLESS MARIA AND HER BABY [/*]I will not be bale to sleep either.

I can't beleive it. My hubby walked in as the news was breaking I said look I think he is in shock also.

Where is GB she is not going to believe this.

[martha]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I HAVE FREAKIN' GOOSEBUMPS! [/*] I DO TOO THIS IS SO GREAT OH HAPPY DAY GOD ANSW PRAYERS:rose:

[lilCanuck]

Everyone on this board .. worked hard to keep it going .. keep it open, hoping for this moment. I was beginning to think it would 'never' come. Oh "me" of little faith.
All of you together made me keep coming back. (glory be)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
I will not be bale to sleep either.

I can't beleive it. My hubby walked in as the news was breaking I said look I think he is in shock also.

Where is GB she is not going to believe this. [/*]

She knows.

[lilCanuck]

Larry King is covering it !!

[CANDYKISSES]

Dog says same jail as Lustre was in. jmo:patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


GET OUT!!!! I actually had to do some work and just logged back on. It's for real right? I do not have TV access. Tell all. OH MY GOD.....HURRAH!!!!!! [/*]

That place doesn't give you CNN bay?

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


She knows. [/*]Thanks Candy. All of us have waited for this for so long.

[GentleBreeze]

OMG! I was laying down because I am sick and out of the blue the phone rings............... I can't believe my ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CESAR LAUREAN HAS BEEN CAUGHT!

Praise be.:patriot:

May justice begin.........:patriot:

[martha]

DO THEY HAVE A PICTURE OF HIM ON TV? I THINK I GET EVERYTHING ONE HOUR LATER THAN MOST OF YOU ALL DO.

[baywench]

Originally posted by Missti


((lil)) huggs back at ya....

I can't believe that we hear nothing...then POOF - they got him.

I was expecting to hear of sightings etc for a few days while waiting for them to catch him.

I guess they are smarter than I gave them credit for....took three months...but they got him!

Hope he burnt his a$$ out eatin' all them Tacos...cause then his days in jail being asked to "bend over" will be that much more painful for him.... (oh...that was mean....) :punch: [/*]

I just know we could be friends Missti!! If you don't have anything nice to say...come sit by me! LOL

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna
:beer:

WOW!!!!!!

I just woke up and heard the news!!!!

GREAT!!!!!!! [/*]

:patriot: Now it's time to come home and start talking. Everyone seems to agree that this will be a swift transition.

I sure hope so.

JMO.:patriot:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


She knows. [/*]


:) I am so excited.

At last.

imo:seeya:

[martha]

Originally posted by tbrito1


DEAR GOD, I AM SITTING HERE IN TEARS, I TRULY BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD NEVER CATCH HIM.........I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW......DOG HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT IN CAPTURING HIM....WOW!! [/*] ita WITH YOU JUST WANT TO CRY AND NOT STOP CRYING

[donna]

Originally posted by martha
I DO TOO THIS IS SO GREAT OH HAPPY DAY GOD ANSW PRAYERS:rose: [/*]

Martha, I was asleep on the couch and woke up to hear Greta say it! Her show will be on in a few minutes!

WOW!

:rose:

[Missti]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
OMG! I was laying down because I am sick and out of the blue the phone rings............... I can't believe my ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CESAR LAUREAN HAS BEEN CAUGHT!

Praise be.:patriot:

May justice begin.........:patriot: [/*]

Who called ?? Larry King?? LOL

Sorry you are ill....hope you are better soon!

THIS NEWS should perk ya up! :D