Wednesday April 9, 2008 Lauterbach daily

[marinewife5]

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27

my appologies if this has already been posted.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

:confused: [/*]

Some people can't see the forest for the trees...

jmoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench

Wow how fortutious you showed up. An answers to Squawks prayers. She couldn't have answered that better if she did her herself :cool: [/*]

Ask not, want not.

Or, ask and the universe starts to deliver.

[IvySterling]

Nite everyone :seeya:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite everyone :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

[marinewife5]

any thoughts on lindell's latest blog entry?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


That is sort of what I was thinking too, Sunstar. Similar to CL's DNA on file with the military. Someone posted a link a few weeks ago saying that a military person's DNA was protected unless LE requested it for a criminal investigation, or something to that effect. I don't have the link, so I will just have to say IMO. [/*]

Not just for any criminal investigation, though. I remember that discussion and it said that it had to meet 2-3 of certain criteria.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5
any thoughts on lindell's latest blog entry? [/*]

Yeah, I want to know what he knows. Wonder if CRS will respond with anything of substance.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by marinewife5
any thoughts on lindell's latest blog entry? [/*]

Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


There is nothing normal about this case. The only lesson to be learned would be to report a rape when it happens, stick to the facts, don't ever have consensual sex with your rapist, don't recant your stories and report incidents to the MPs when you are told. That would go the farthest toward protecting another marine in the same situation. WHich of course would not happen JMO [/*]

I think that says it very well.

Thank you.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65


Yeah, I want to know what he knows. Wonder if CRS will respond with anything of substance. [/*]

the "unlikely source" makes me wonder if it was at a school. jmo

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5


the "unlikely source" makes me wonder if it was at a school. jmo [/*]

Interesting speculation. What schools are around there? That wasn't my neck of the woods when I lived in J'ville.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


To listen to the ones that have been there you would think it was a different war we watch on TV. My daughter loved the Iraqui people and thinks the call to prayer twice a day is such a beautiful sound. JMO [/*]

Goose bumps.

I've always that the call to prayer is a gorgous sound.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65


Interesting speculation. What schools are around there? That wasn't my neck of the woods when I lived in J'ville. [/*]


hmmmm....summersill. and down gum brach by rhodestown is the site of the new elementary school under construction.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5



hmmmm....summersill. and down gum brach by rhodestown is the site of the new elementary school under construction. [/*]

Aaah, I didn't think about Summersill.

I used to take riding lessons off of Rhodestown Rd. I'vve been gone since June. I didn't realize a new school was going up there.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65


Aaah, I didn't think about Summersill.

I used to take riding lessons off of Rhodestown Rd. I'vve been gone since June. I didn't realize a new school was going up there. [/*]

By Rock Creek. That would be the more likely of the two, imo

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say? [/*]

He confuses me, I need to read over there more I guess. I wish he would do less hinting. I don't know....I feel like dumba*s!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


That is a joke because the rape investigation was never started properly. jmo

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Oh, dear. Did they not do it within the requisite 48 hrs? :confused:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5



hmmmm....summersill. and down gum brach by rhodestown is the site of the new elementary school under construction. [/*]

Don't forget Northside over in J'ville Commons.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


the "unlikely source" makes me wonder if it was at a school. jmo [/*]

Say perhaps someone looking to buy the car and going by again and not seeing it, but then the next week it is back????

I thought it was Mr. Taylor since his pic came up. :lol:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


He confuses me, I need to read over there more I guess. I wish he would do less hinting. I don't know....I feel like dumba*s! [/*]

i had to read it twice LOL

it finally sank in that the car was not at the bus station all that time.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Kel65


Aaah, I didn't think about Summersill.

I used to take riding lessons off of Rhodestown Rd. I'vve been gone since June. I didn't realize a new school was going up there. [/*]

I betcha I know where you took those riding lessons at! I'll only use initials---AM's place?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Don't forget Northside over in J'ville Commons. [/*]

That one seems a bit further. but possible.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I do not know of any marines who live by an unwritten code that would allow a person to be raped and not report it. jmo [/*]

What utter nonsense, huh?

And all with the randomly-capitalized words, to boot. Weird, that.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i had to read it twice LOL

it finally sank in that the car was not at the bus station all that time. [/*]

That's what RS said in our first round of questions...LOL get with the program chickadee! ;)

Oh you are no help---YOU let CAL slip right by you on 1/11. :biggrin:

[Kel65]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


By Rock Creek. That would be the more likely of the two, imo [/*][/QUOTE

That would be closer than Summersill right? Plus, it probably wouldn't be noticed like it would be at an active school. My son went to Blue Creek and the parking there was horrible, so I know a car parked there for several weeks in the same spot would have been noticed. JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


That's what RS said in our first round of questions...LOL get with the program chickadee! ;)

Oh you are no help---YOU let CAL slip right by you on 1/11. :biggrin: [/*]

I don't recall the first part. and as for the second part, i lost my glasses that day.:o

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65
[QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5


By Rock Creek. That would be the more likely of the two, imo [/*][/QUOTE

That would be closer than Summersill right? Plus, it probably wouldn't be noticed like it would be at an active school. My son went to Blue Creek and the parking there was horrible, so I know a car parked there for several weeks in the same spot would have been noticed. JMO [/*]

they would be about the same distance, but i thought a school construction site would make more sense than an active school

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Say perhaps someone looking to buy the car and going by again and not seeing it, but then the next week it is back????

I thought it was Mr. Taylor since his pic came up. :lol: [/*]

Did you miss this part? "No, I’m just kidding..." :D

Poor old Taylor has had his hands full the last few days.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I don't recall the first part. and as for the second part, i lost my glasses that day.:o [/*]

I know---you lost them on that magic carpet ride...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know---you lost them on that magic carpet ride... [/*]
LOL--it was wild! (cryme doesn't pay attention to speed limits)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Did you miss this part? "No, I’m just kidding..." :D

Poor old Taylor has had his hands full the last few days. [/*]


duh mw5. in fact, i'm demoting myself to mw4 since i missed that part.:D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say? [/*]

lol, sorry.. I just couldn't figure out exactly what Lindell was saying...

[Kel65]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I betcha I know where you took those riding lessons at! I'll only use initials---AM's place? [/*]

You got it!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


I have not been online for a few hrs and have not caught up in this thread, but I do want to answer this.

Has anyone else here done any kind of criminal intake? Where someone reports an alleged crime to you? Or spent any time at all in court listening to witness statememts? Or, in this case, been involved in hearing rape survivors' accounts, in an out of court?

Because I have. I do. And those of you who have known me for a few yrs, know that is the case.

And there are things told to you that sound right and some that don't, right off the bat. As police describe it, you get that hinky feeling. I don't like that expression, but I do think it is descriptive.

ML's account, her actions, the times of reporting, who she reported to, her changing stories, her not being afraid of him, telling her mom she might go to a party where he is---all of that would be wearing out the hinky meter of any professional to whom she told it.

Add to that her history of lying and it just makes it even, well, hikier.

I can tell you that professionally, and in the rape counseling work I have done all my adult life as a volunteer counselor with rape survivors in and out of court, ML's story would have professionals saying oh, this one is going to turn out to be a false accusation.

Then you go ahead and do all the investigating, and all the tests, and all the reporting and all the counseling and, in about 99% of the hinky cases, you find out that your gut was right. [/*]

Daniel, I can't chop this post up as it makes far too much sense in its' entirety and some would be lost if I responded to it cut up. I totally agree with every word here.

There is no book that says false and positive, but there are certain things that will ring true and others that might set off alarms. While all reported allegations are not uniform I have a different theory for what we are seeing in this case.

From my POV we are seeing the alarms going off and when you look at each thing individually, you might find it not so alarming. It is the totality of the alarms coupled with the history of lying that should alert anyone who works with victims tht there is a possibility this may add up to a false allegation.

I think Aloha spoke out in the beginning about the number of false allegations that are caught before they ever become a statistic, as they are filtered out in the ER.

I believe with what we heard from Caejde about the thorough manner her roomies claim was handled in tho it was full of holes too, and what we have been told about Maria's claim, that the USMC did everything they could to help gather evidence to determine if a rape was possible.

I find the USMC was doing a thorough investigation and continue to hope they will reveal their findings.

Maybe tomorrow will be a new day and we will hear Cesar has been apprehended. This forum needs some real news for a change.

JMO....

NEL, if you read here, I hope you will reconsider and come home. ;)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol, sorry.. I just couldn't figure out exactly what Lindell was saying... [/*]

just when i thought i'd figured it out, nuttin comes along and shows me i knew nuttin.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Did you miss this part? "No, I’m just kidding..." :D

Poor old Taylor has had his hands full the last few days. [/*]

YES I did, and I am too tired to think. Good night Peeps. :seeya:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


YES I did, and I am too tired to think. Good night Peeps. :seeya: [/*]:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

I would think that an apartment complex would be a good place to park a car...

JMO

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5



duh mw5. in fact, i'm demoting myself to mw4 since i missed that part.:D [/*]

It still is a good theory and maybe it is a clue that isn't suppose to look like a clue.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65


It still is a good theory and maybe it is a clue that isn't suppose to look like a clue. [/*]

ty, and so there, nuttin:tongue:

[gaelicpeas]

I think the "unlikely source" Lindell was referring to had to do with the bus ticket, not the car.. but maybe I am reading it wrong.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I would think that an apartment complex would be a good place to park a car...

JMO [/*]

Yes indeed it would. No one would ask questions...

Alright MW, where's the closest apartments other than Lauradale?

[Kel65]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I would think that an apartment complex would be a good place to park a car...

JMO [/*]

Hmmmm, like Lauradale?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I would think that an apartment complex would be a good place to park a car...

JMO [/*]

maybe, unless parking is very limited. jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes indeed it would. No one would ask questions...

Alright MW, where's the closest apartments other than Lauradale? [/*]

Lee gardens?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


ty, and so there, nuttin:tongue: [/*]

;)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


maybe, unless parking is very limited. jmo [/*]

A mall would also be a good place..

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I think the "unlikely source" Lindell was referring to had to do with the bus ticket, not the car.. but maybe I am reading it wrong.

JMO [/*]

i think that tip led him to find that the car wasn't there the whole time. jmo

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Lee gardens? [/*]


Lauradale came to mind because that is where Amber lives. She would be a pretty unlikely person to report where the car had been for three weeks. Just speculating of course.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i think that tip led him to find that the car wasn't there the whole time. jmo [/*]

Possibly.. but he put the "unlikely source" in the paragraph with how he found out about the bus ticket. Then he starts a new paragraph with "The important thing now, though, is where was the car between Dec. 14 and Jan. 7?"

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=27#comments

So.. it is not clear to me if those two statements are related. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

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From my POV we are seeing the alarms going off and when you look at each thing individually, you might find it not so alarming. It is the totality of the alarms coupled with the history of lying that should alert anyone who works with victims tht there is a possibility this may add up to a false allegation.

I think Aloha spoke out in the beginning about the number of false allegations that are caught before they ever become a statistic, as they are filtered out in the ER.

, that the USMC did everything they could to help gather evidence to determine if a rape was possible.
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;) [/*]

Thanks, Candy. I think that people who work with that just get a good idea of what rings true and what doesn't.

Of course, you have to investigate anyhow. But you KNOW.

I missed Aloha's post, but that is, indeed, the case.

A lot are filtered out in the ER. Others get filtered out by magistrates or DA's or any other reporting agency.

The marines did more than any civil jurisdiction I have ever seen in a case that flimsy. Way more.

( My one ITOLDYOUSO moment is that when I first heard, on the news, then on the phone by someone in the Durham judicial system, about the Duke LAX case and just had the gist of what the allegations were, I said 'that's gonna be a false accusation.' Before we found out about the crazy stories and pictures and the boys' alibi's, etc. Just on the first brush of the story. And every other woman I know who works with rape survivors said the same thing)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Lee gardens? [/*]

Where is Lee gardens? I haven't heard of that one.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65



Lauradale came to mind because that is where Amber lives. She would be a pretty unlikely person to report where the car had been for three weeks. Just speculating of course. [/*]

I would park it as far away from my home as possible. why move it to the bus station???

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Where is Lee gardens? I haven't heard of that one. [/*]

across gum branch from lauradale

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


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So.. it is not clear to me if those two statements are related. JMO [/*]

I agree. I don't think that the two are related.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I would park it as far away from my home as possible. why move it to the bus station??? [/*]

hmm.. well.. ML did have a bus ticket supposedly.. and had asked about leaving her car there...

JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


hmm.. well.. ML did have a bus ticket supposedly.. and had asked about leaving her car there...

JMO [/*]

seems like it was the start of the set up. did cl move it there, or someone else?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


across gum branch from lauradale [/*]

TYVM

[martha]

GOOD NIGHT MY FRIENDS SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW. keep posting hope tomorrow brings good news that cl is caught:rose: if nothing happens i will be back to read

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


seems like it was the start of the set up. did cl move it there, or someone else? [/*]

I guess it depends on which scenario you subscribe to. I don't know who committed the murder. But I do think ML's car ending up at the bus station was a "plant". What else could it be?

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

How far are these Lauradale Apts from the Laurean house? TIA

(and why do all these words begin with Laur? lol)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by martha
GOOD NIGHT MY FRIENDS SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW. keep posting hope tomorrow brings good news that cl is caught:rose: if nothing happens i will be back to read [/*]:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
How far are these Lauradale Apts from the Laurean house? TIA

(and why do all these words begin with Laur? lol) [/*]

Like 3 miles max.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I guess it depends on which scenario you subscribe to. I don't know who committed the murder. But I do think ML's car ending up at the bus station was a "plant". What else could it be?

JMO [/*]

hmmm...i have much thinking to do on this one.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Like 3 miles max. [/*]

I just looked it up on Mapquest. 2.1 miles.

[marinewife5]

the car being moved jan 7th tells me that the getaway plan started before the night of jan 10th. and that it seems someone wanted it found (or they would have left it alone). jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I guess it depends on which scenario you subscribe to. I don't know who committed the murder. But I do think ML's car ending up at the bus station was a "plant". What else could it be?

JMO [/*]

Either Maria told 'someone' she asked about leaving her car at the bus station OR it's one heck of a coinky dink.

jmo

[Kel65]

Originally posted by marinewife5
the car being moved jan 7th tells me that the getaway plan started before the night of jan 10th. and that it seems someone wanted it found (or they would have left it alone). jmo [/*]

I agree. The car needed to be found for the plan. JMO

[Kel65]

Night all.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65


I agree. The car needed to be found for the plan. JMO [/*]

so perhaps csl knew before 1/10? they shouldn't have left the bus ticket there:no:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Kel65
Night all. [/*]:seeya: :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5
the car being moved jan 7th tells me that the getaway plan started before the night of jan 10th. and that it seems someone wanted it found (or they would have left it alone). jmo [/*]

Yes...someone wanted it found to continue on with the scenario of Maria going UA.

jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by Kel65
Night all. [/*]

:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Night Kel! :seeya:

[marinewife5]

It is past my bedtime...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5
It is past my bedtime...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya: [/*]

Mine too! :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Like 3 miles max. [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin!

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Really people? Nothing? Something new and no one has anything to say? [/*]

Thanks, I hadn't seen that.

I hope some poor innocent person didn't get sucked into this crime trying to befriend Cl or CSL. The 1/7 date was about the time IIRC that CL was asked to come in to talk.

(On HIPAA, the privacy rule says a covered entity has to treat a designated "personal representative" the same as the covered individual with respect to uses of personal information with few exceptions (perceived harm, pyschotherpy, etc.) when the patient is still alive and is for health care purposes.

The "personal representative" can also act for a deceased person or the estate.)

I just signed several papers today for vascular surgery next week and went through these specific exemptions. (State law contrary to federal law is preempted.)

http://www.fepblue.org/wasite/wahipaaprivacy/wa-hipaablues_mar06.html#Anchor-hipbluemar06-1

In some cases, a patient will have a personal representative. A personal representative is someone who is speaking for the patient or making medical and health care decisions for patient at a time when he/she cannot make these decisions for themselves. Simply put – a patient can give another person permission to speak for them. This is often through a legal document that the patient has signed. This permission can also be given to a family member or a friend by a court.

If a person has permission from a court or a legal document to act for the deceased person a hospital, doctor or health insurer must talk to the personal representative. If you are acting as a personal representative you have a legal right to the patient's confidential information. This means that the doctor must talk to you about your family member or friend and provide you with any reasonable information you need to do your work for the court or to pay medical bills and other similar work.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


so perhaps csl knew before 1/10? they shouldn't have left the bus ticket there:no: [/*]

IMO, and strictly IMO

IF RS ever came out and said that car was anywhere near Amber's (Christina's sister) from 12/14 until 1/7, I don't see how he can keep calling Christina a "cooperating witness" with a straight face.

That would also strengthen my opinion that the Lowe's guy was indeed Amber's husband.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


IF RS ever came out and said that car was anywhere near Amber's (Christina's sister) from 12/14 until 1/7, I don't see how he can keep calling Christina a "cooperating witness" with a straight face.

[/*]

Well since he hasn't said that, nothing to worry about it. Thus the straight face.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well since he hasn't said that, nothing to worry about it. Thus the straight face. [/*]

I said IF.

BTW, where do you think the car was?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jan Powell

(respectfully snipped)

If a person has permission from a court or a legal document to act for the deceased person a hospital, doctor or health insurer must talk to the personal representative. If you are acting as a personal representative you have a legal right to the patient's confidential information. This means that the doctor must talk to you about your family member or friend and provide you with any reasonable information you need to do your work for the court or to pay medical bills and other similar work. [/*]

Thanks, Jan - saved me a lot of work! I wonder if ML had signed such a document?

[scillak]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I said IF.

BTW, where do you think the car was? [/*]

IIRC, I thought that at one point "they" said that her car had been at a fast food place, but then that went away and we heard it was found at the bus station. I don't know if others remember hearing that. Also, of course, I don't know if it was true. If no one else remembers hearing that, maybe I'm just losing it.

[scillak]

Comment about fast-food restaurant:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html

This was way back on Jan 11th, so maybe it was just an error in reporting......