Wednesday April 9, 2008 Lauterbach daily

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


She didn't say she did. [/*]
Are you saying the Shifflets made up their story for Nat'l coverage????

[caejde]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Are you saying the Shifflets made up their story for Nat'l coverage???? [/*]

Surely her parents knew what they were talking about...

[mini-me]

Originally posted by caejde


But how could she confront him if she was asleep? [/*]No kidding, there is a whole lotta lying going on. Maybe she is just trying to cover herself. Guess she was just talked out from the night before and fell asleep.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Are you saying the Shifflets made up their story for Nat'l coverage???? [/*]

You mean the ones who said they saw Cesar in his truck at 6:30 am? I didn't say anything about them.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by caejde


Surely her parents knew what they were talking about... [/*]
Of course they did, they repeated just what Christina had told them.

BUT, she obviously had another version for the LE :rolleyes:

[caejde]

Before fleeing Jacksonville on Friday, Laurean gave his wife a note that said Lauterbach cut her own throat, the person said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322268,00.html


So in this one, it says he gave her the note before he left...not she woke up to find it.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


You mean the ones who said they saw Cesar in his truck at 6:30 am? I didn't say anything about them. [/*]
The Shifflets are her parents, thought you were keeping up here :D
http://tinyurl.com/336t37

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


You mean the ones who said they saw Cesar in his truck at 6:30 am? I didn't say anything about them. [/*]

Ummm, no. The Shifflett's are Christina's parents. They went on national tv and said Christina confronted Cesar before he left and begged him to turn himself in.

[caejde]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Of course they did, they repeated just what Christina had told them.

BUT, she obviously had another version for the LE :rolleyes: [/*]

That's what I think.

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yes, and I believe it refers to the first 48 hours after a murder. Not the first 48 hours after the discovery of a body that's been buried a month. [/*]

Thank you Cry....I am still catching up but of course it refers to the 48 hours after the death. So glad you posted it....stopped me from mumbling to myself. JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Are you saying the Shifflets made up their story for Nat'l coverage???? [/*]

Yes did they??

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes did they?? [/*]
Not in my opinion, but maybe we'll get a different response here...............I'm waiting ;)

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Of course they did, they repeated just what Christina had told them.

BUT, she obviously had another version for the LE :rolleyes: [/*]

What time Friday morning are they referring to? Maybe she was begging him to stay sometime after midnight. She could have dozed off and woke up to find him gone.

We just don't know. jmo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What time Friday morning are they referring to? Maybe she was begging him to stay sometime after midnight. She could have dozed off and woke up to find him gone.

We just don't know. jmo [/*]

Posted upthread an article that says he gave the note to his wife.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by caejde


Posted upthread an article that says he gave the note to his wife. [/*]

:shrug: Maybe the media is getting it mixed up.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Of course they did, they repeated just what Christina had told them.

BUT, she obviously had another version for the LE :rolleyes: [/*]

I doubt they forget what their own daughter told them with a tale like that. JMO tho.

Maybe someone thinks they aren't being honest. :rolleyes: JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


Thank you Cry....I am still catching up but of course it refers to the 48 hours after the death. So glad you posted it....stopped me from mumbling to myself. JMO [/*]

Sometimes you get to a point when you are relying on info from the show COPS:D where you just stop typing given that the norm is not forty-eight hours after a month. That's pretty much what I did after I hit up on that doozie Bay. JMO and all that too. :patriot:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


The problem they have is the time line imo. I think even LE is bothered some by it. They really have no set time when this murder happened. It could have happened 30 minutes before CSL came home or it could have happened 30 minutes after she came home but what the DA needs is a key witness in this case and so far CSL is it. All of this was done behind closed doors so when one side has been killed and one side has fled the jurisdiction only one is left to tell anything.

I highly doubt that after a month they found any forensics that points directly to CL as the one who did the murder.

*snipped*

[/*]

Back to what I posted re LE knowing a lot more than we do...let's just say, for the sake of argument, there are other witnesses that we don't know about. Witnesses that have perhaps verified Christina's timeline, that she got home at such and such a time, maybe went out right away again, was out until way late in the evening....or even told them things about what Cesar said/how he acted during those weeks....

I just think we are being short-sighted by insisting that the ONLY person left with only ONE story for LE is Christina. This is all we know about, but I'm just saying that LE may know more.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as some on here believe.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


Posted upthread an article that says he gave the note to his wife. [/*]

Maybe the cops got it wrong caejde. :shrug:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I doubt they forget what their own daughter told them with a tale like that. JMO tho.

Maybe someone thinks they aren't being honest. :rolleyes: JMO. [/*]

LE knows the truth. You could email RS. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


:shrug: Maybe the media is getting it mixed up. [/*]

I was going to say that. And it's not out of the realm of possibility, as we have seen already in this case where one media says one thing one day, another media says a different thing, and on and on.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I was going to say that. And it's not out of the realm of possibility, as we have seen already in this case where one media says one thing one day, another media says a different thing, and on and on. [/*]

Actually as far as what Christina said we really don't know. No written statements she made to LE have been released from LE. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Not in my opinion, but maybe we'll get a different response here...............I'm waiting ;) [/*]

Now the media got it wrong, but I can still remember Bruce Shifflet's words.... ;)

Oh well...

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Now the media got it wrong, but I can still remember Bruce Shifflet's words.... ;)

Oh well... [/*]

What significance will this have in the trial?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What time Friday morning are they referring to? Maybe she was begging him to stay sometime after midnight. She could have dozed off and woke up to find him gone.

We just don't know. jmo [/*]

Narcolepsy?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What significance will this have in the trial? [/*]

A lot of these mis-statements and versions of events will make it into the trial.

Especially those dealing with the only person left holding the notes.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Back to what I posted re LE knowing a lot more than we do...let's just say, for the sake of argument, there are other witnesses that we don't know about. Witnesses that have perhaps verified Christina's timeline, that she got home at such and such a time, maybe went out right away again, was out until way late in the evening....or even told them things about what Cesar said/how he acted during those weeks....

I just think we are being short-sighted by insisting that the ONLY person left with only ONE story for LE is Christina. This is all we know about, but I'm just saying that LE may know more.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as some on here believe. [/*]

Oh I don't think anything in this case is cut and dried. Especially the part where Cesar is the lone arguer, murderer, grave digger, and cleaning person. Oh, and vehicle transporter.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Oh I don't think anything in this case is cut and dried. Especially the part where Cesar is the lone arguer, murderer, grave digger, and cleaning person. Oh, and vehicle transporter. [/*]

Well it sure appears to me (after being on this forum what seems like forever) that quite a few think Christina's involvement is cut and dried and there is no question whatsoever except for the level of her involvement, from aiding and abetting right up through being the murderer herself.

The possibility exists that things happened exactly as she said.

I myself have no doubt that one day we will find out, and the controversy will be put to rest.

[IvySterling]

Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6 [/*]

He should have known he wasn't going to get her medical records.

That said, I doubt there's anything the MC could have said that a politician running for re-election would have deemed acceptable.

Not in today's times.

ETA JMO MOO IMOO IMHO and any others that I forgot.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What significance will this have in the trial? [/*]

i'm no defense attorney, but witness credibility just may come into play. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6 [/*]

Wonder what this is all about?

"Her behavior between May and December should have been recognized by the Marine Corps of that of a rape victim.

Is he talking about the UA's? Inconsistent stories?

:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6 [/*]

Baywench calls Turners investigation (or lack of IMO) a publicity stunt. Come on...an investigation needs to be deeper than this. I find his "inquiry" shallow. JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wonder what this is all about?



Is he talking about the UA's? Inconsistent stories?

:shrug: [/*]

Repeated conversations that she was not afraid of him? JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


Baywench calls Turners investigation (or lack of IMO) a publicity stunt. Come on...an investigation needs to be deeper than this. I find his "inquiry" shallow. JMO [/*]

I just call him a tool.

Sheesh.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


Baywench calls Turners investigation (or lack of IMO) a publicity stunt. Come on...an investigation needs to be deeper than this. I find his "inquiry" shallow. JMO [/*]

MW5 calls baywench's post 100% true (IMO).

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i'm no defense attorney, but witness credibility just may come into play. jmo [/*]

Which is exactly why Menard wasn't too thrilled with all the media coverage of him and Wanda.

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


MW5 calls baywench's post 100% true (IMO). [/*]

Cryme agrees 100% with your 100% assessment of baywench's post.

One more and we'll have a consensus.

:D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Which is exactly why Menard wasn't too thrilled with all the media coverage of him and Wanda.:D [/*]
And yet he kept showing up in front of the cameras, not the smartest tool, but I guess I'm not being nice :D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6 [/*]

And this surprises us how?

JMO and all that jazz

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And this surprises us how?

JMO and all that jazz [/*]
Doesn't surprise me nuttin, more like disgusts me :(

[marinewife5]

I got stupid packing to do...be back in a bit. :seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

And yet he kept showing up in front of the cameras, not the smartest tool, but I guess I'm not being nice :D [/*]

I think that was Richard, wasn't Menard the one who was on the porch with Wanda and looked like he was pizzed 'cause she wasn't in the kitchen rattling 'dem pots and pans?

Menard's the one with the criminal record that someone posted. Drug stuff as I recall, but a defense attorney will definitely make hay with that.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think that was Richard, wasn't Menard the one who was on the porch with Wanda and looked like he was pizzed 'cause she wasn't in the kitchen rattling 'dem pots and pans?

Menard's the one with the criminal record that someone posted. Drug stuff as I recall, but a defense attorney will definitely make hay with that. [/*]
Yep, that's the one (I was the one who posted his record) but he also was outside on another occasion with Jammie girl and her little one.
http://i31.tinypic.com/5wx945.jpg
Plus the fact his comments were in several newspapers.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wonder what this is all about?



Is he talking about the UA's? Inconsistent stories?

:shrug: [/*]

Well, we have been told that acting out is to be expected by some here. They say it's commonplace with rape victims, even those who wait a month and then make inconsistent reports IMO. :eek:

I might expect them to be demanding to know what they are doing to find the accused murderer, but fixing myspace to show no drinking beer and slamming the USMC wouldn't be on my list of making a difference. JMO tho.

I guess if you look around and point the finger at everyone else, you can hope nobody will look at you. But I find the deliberate maligning of the USMC getting old and it's not just me.

JMO :patriot:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Doesn't surprise me nuttin, more like disgusts me :( [/*]

Yep me too.

Wonder why the congressman didn't publish the response? He made sure his letter was published...

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What time Friday morning are they referring to? Maybe she was begging him to stay sometime after midnight. She could have dozed off and woke up to find him gone.

We just don't know. jmo [/*]


Yes that seems perfectly reasonable that you would doze off after your husband just confessed to murder and burial in your backyard. We may not know much but some scenarios defy logic IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yep me too.

Wonder why the congressman didn't publish the response? He made sure his letter was published... [/*]
Somehow I just knew he wouldn't post the responses to all of his questions, guess I'm just a good 'guesser'.

[caejde]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Wonder what this is all about?



Is he talking about the UA's? Inconsistent stories?

:shrug: [/*]

Her behavior should have been that of a rape victim? I don't get that. What behavior? She took leave and returned back as normal. She performed her job. Wouldn't her family have noticed there was something wrong with her behavior when she went to see them? Wouldn't they think something was wrong when she talked to them on the phone?

[caejde]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yep me too.

Wonder why the congressman didn't publish the response? He made sure his letter was published... [/*]

Because he wasn't given the answers he wanted...or quite frankly didn't like the answers he was given.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i'm no defense attorney, but witness credibility just may come into play. jmo [/*]

Yes it will, and I see hay being made as we post. ;)

jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by caejde


Her behavior should have been that of a rape victim? I don't get that. What behavior? She took leave and returned back as normal. She performed her job. Wouldn't her family have noticed there was something wrong with her behavior when she went to see them? Wouldn't they think something was wrong when she talked to them on the phone? [/*]

IMO Maria never once, not in any way acted like a rape victim. Every time she was given the opportunity to prove her allegations, she didn't follow through. Doesn't report rape for a month, inconsistent statement of rapes and consensual sex, report incidents of harrassment to the mps. Never, not once. It is too bad that some on this board are truly more committed to proving her innocence than she ever was. IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yep me too.

Wonder why the congressman didn't publish the response? He made sure his letter was published... [/*]

Well, I am not wondering at all, but sure am curious about the subtle change in myspace now. I was thinking, it might ironically be on the heels of some info they didn't want. Hmmm....

JMO.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I get that part, but who's responsible for supplying the information on the top part of the death certificate?

The part where it calls Maria a "Soldier", the social security number, her place of birth, her mother's name, her father's name, and the attorney's name and address (19a and 19bee)?

That can't come from the medical examiner.

:shrug: [/*]

The ME's Report of Investigation had her soc sec #. LE provides the info to the ME.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, that's the one (I was the one who posted his record) but he also was outside on another occasion with Jammie girl and her little one.
http://i31.tinypic.com/5wx945.jpg
Plus the fact his comments were in several newspapers. [/*]

I think by the time Greta got there, he was wishing he had those "fifteen minutes" back!

:D

(I couldn't remember who posted the record, so hat tip to you! Thanks!)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench



Yes that seems perfectly reasonable that you would doze off after your husband just confessed to murder and burial in your backyard. We may not know much but some scenarios defy logic IMO [/*]

Totally.

Ho hum. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Lord.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by daniel green


The ME's Report of Investigation had her soc sec #. LE provides the info to the ME. [/*]

But the ME's report didn't have the family attorney's name and address.

Something is driving this 12/16 date of death for the probate case. Otherwise, what difference did it make? All IMO of course.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Well, I am not wondering at all, but sure am curious about the subtle change in myspace now. I was thinking, it might ironically be on the heels of some info they didn't want. Hmmm....

JMO. [/*]

Mighty coinky dinky?

:D

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde


snipped

I am trying to figure out how you came to that conclusion that the first 48 hours are very important. [/*]

I betcha from that show The First 48.

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Somehow I just knew he wouldn't post the responses to all of his questions, guess I'm just a good 'guesser'. [/*]

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by daniel green


I betcha from that show The First 48.

:D [/*]

Isn't that their opening tag line?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yeah, I want the book that claims that because somebody hasn't been arrested they are not being looked at as a suspect.

snipped
:D [/*]

Me too!

Hmmmmmm. How long was it before those Menendez bros were arrested and charged with killing their parents?

Was it longer than 48 hrs? Was it longer than a week? A month?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Isn't that their opening tag line? [/*]

Oh yeah.

You know what they say how a little bit of information can be dangerous? :cool:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde


Because he wasn't given the answers he wanted...or quite frankly didn't like the answers he was given. [/*]

Yes and Yes. That's probably the reasons.

Ivy---you are just a good guesser you are! :)

jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


"48 Hours, Hard Evidence" on Discovery will help you understand. Just trying to be helpful.;) [/*]

didn't I tell ya! didn't I tell ya!

Ivy, move over. You are not the only good guesser around here! :D

[daniel green]

Originally posted by AlohaRainbow

i thought it was in the 1st 48 hours of the investigation, if le doesn't get a *lead* on a suspect, that statistics show it less likely they will solve the murder.

snipped[/*]

Yep.

Nothing to do with arrests.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by daniel green


didn't I tell ya! didn't I tell ya!

Ivy, move over. You are not the only good guesser around here! :D [/*]

Both of you should get a top shelf prize!

:D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by daniel green


didn't I tell ya! didn't I tell ya!

Ivy, move over. You are not the only good guesser around here! :D [/*]
I was just making a funny 'of sorts' :)

Most of us all agreed the other night that he probably wouldn't post the answers even though he posted all the questions.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Both of you should get a top shelf prize!

:D [/*]

Ah what would that be? LOL

BTW, carry on...

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Both of you should get a top shelf prize!

:D [/*]

Works for me!

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Both of you should get a top shelf prize!

:D [/*]

Some sort of MENSA like acknowledgement! We could have a little ceremony, MW5 could wear her green dress and GP and I can sneak around and see if anyone resembling CL is lurking.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde


Nelkirk was a very good poster! Had alot of knowledge and tried to be unbiased on everything. [/*]

Nel is gone???????????? :(

What happpened?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


IMO Maria never once, not in any way acted like a rape victim. Every time she was given the opportunity to prove her allegations, she didn't follow through. Doesn't report rape for a month, inconsistent statement of rapes and consensual sex, report incidents of harrassment to the mps. Never, not once. It is too bad that some on this board are truly more committed to proving her innocence than she ever was. IMO [/*]

I agree baywench.

I'm in an odd position here I guess. I do not believe Maria was raped. I believe Cesar killed her, with no knowledge/complicity by Christina. That's what I was referring to in a post a couple of weeks ago now where I said it's funny how some posters agree on certain things, disagree on others. I don't think there are too many on here that agree on everything, even the main points of the case: rape vs. no rape, bipolar vs. "normal" young woman, went willingly to his house vs. was lured, etc., etc., well you get what I mean.

Good to see you, as always. :seeya:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I thought you said he didn't care what Christina said. How can he not care what she says, but be so concerned about what LE thinks of him? [/*]

And how is he a sociopath with all that caring?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Nel is gone???????????? :(

What happpened? [/*]

I don't think Nel is gone unless it's something I didn't hear about (through the PM grapevine? :D ). He/she was posting not more than a day ago. He/she isn't a constant poster.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by daniel green


Nel is gone???????????? :(

What happpened? [/*]
Glad you asked that dg, I meant to and didn't!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Well, I am not wondering at all, but sure am curious about the subtle change in myspace now. I was thinking, it might ironically be on the heels of some info they didn't want. Hmmm....

JMO. [/*]

I thought the myspace change was weird, Candy, but I think you are too suspicious (maybe not). I just think it's probably her sister changing it because somehow "loves beer" doesn't look nice on a myspace of a murdered young woman. No biggie.

[CANDYKISSES]

NEL is gone and it was her choice. I believe we lost a most important asset to this case and am deeply saddened.

I hope if Nel reads, she knows how many of us value her and hope she will return. :patriot:

You are a class act always Nelkirk! :rose:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't think Nel is gone unless it's something I didn't hear about (through the PM grapevine? :D ). He/she was posting not more than a day ago. He/she isn't a constant poster. [/*]

Well, I just heard through the PM grapevine and I am just :eek:

Why would someone want her gone? She was an outstanding poster and brought not only a bounty of resources to the board, she brought up great points and discussion.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I thought the myspace change was weird, Candy, but I think you are too suspicious (maybe not). I just think it's probably her sister changing it because somehow "loves beer" doesn't look nice on a myspace of a murdered young woman. No biggie. [/*]

I would like to kindly suggest you take a gander at the saucy language on Durham's myspace authored by sis. JMO.:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


Well, I just heard through the PM grapevine and I am just :eek:

Why would someone want her gone? She was an outstanding poster and brought not only a bounty of resources to the board, she brought up great points and discussion. [/*]

Nelkirk I just wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your posts. Always the voice of reason. JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by daniel green


Well, I just heard through the PM grapevine and I am just :eek:

Why would someone want her gone? She was an outstanding poster and brought not only a bounty of resources to the board, she brought up great points and discussion. [/*]

Nel was definitely an asset to this discussion. I'm truly saddened that she left.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by daniel green


Well, I just heard through the PM grapevine and I am just :eek:

Why would someone want her gone? . ~snipped [/*]

:shrug: First I knew of it, what a damn shame!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench


Nelkirk I just wanted you to know how much I enjoyed your posts. Always the voice of reason. JMO [/*]

And so bright and full of good information.

I guess that some feathers were ruffled or tinted green with envy. How utterly sad not to just appreciate that in someone.

There does seem to be something alluring about posting at one mssg board about a poster on another. Might even seem fun or a great get-even. But it isn't. It is hurtful and disgusting. I know, having done that in the past. It's just so wrong.

Ah, well. Sigh. Envy and resentment are such horrible things. Sigh.

[Kel65]

JMO, but I believe that the Congressman is going to do Maria's case more harm than good. Maybe he doesn't have sharp staffers working for him. I say this because you don't have to do too much research on the internet to find out that Maria had issues before the alleged rape, probably the same things he is saying the USMC should have picked up on post alleged rape. It sure seems that he is only getting a very biased side of the story from the Lauterbachs. I bet some of the response from the USMC has already indicated this. It will ibe nteresting to see if and how he trys to back peddle.

Glad I don't have to call him my Congressman.

I hate to say this and I know I am going to to get called a Lauterbach basher, but I think living in Mary's world may have been a big contributing factor to Maria's lying problem. It seems that Mary may even have a problem with being honest too.

ALL JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


And so bright and full of good information.

I guess that some feathers were ruffled or tinted green with envy. How utterly sad not to just appreciate that in someone.

There does seem to be something alluring about posting at one mssg board about a poster on another. Might even seem fun or a great get-even. But it isn't. It is hurtful and disgusting. I know, having done that in the past. It's just so wrong.

Ah, well. Sigh. Envy and resentment are such horrible things. Sigh. [/*]

Are you talking about JDNews? I never saw anything posted about Nelkirk on there. Maybe I missed it.

Being on ANY public message board, ya gotta have nerves of steel and a thick skin.

I will truly miss Nelkirk because she was one of the very, very, very few that was totally unbiased, IMO, and could listen to both sides of an argument, and contribute to both sides as well. I am VERY saddened.

As I said before, many posters have left. I really can't see why...this message board is "mild" compared to a great many I've been on.

:(

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Kel65
JMO, but I believe that the Congressman is going to do Maria's case more harm than good. Maybe he doesn't have sharp staffers working for him. I say this because you don't have to do too much research on the internet to find out that Maria had issues before the alleged rape, probably the same things he is saying the USMC should have picked up on post alleged rape. It sure seems that he is only getting a very biased side of the story from the Lauterbachs. I bet some of the response from the USMC has already indicated this. It will ibe nteresting to see if and how he trys to back peddle.

Glad I don't have to call him my Congressman.

I hate to say this and I know I am going to to get called a Lauterbach basher, but I think living in Mary's world may have been a big contributing factor to Maria's lying problem. It seems that Mary may even have a problem with being honest too.

ALL JMO [/*]

I wouldn't argue with any of that.

JMO too.

[donna]

Originally posted by daniel green


Well, I just heard through the PM grapevine and I am just :eek:

Why would someone want her gone? She was an outstanding poster and brought not only a bounty of resources to the board, she brought up great points and discussion. [/*]

ITA.

Seems some really good posters have left. Nel was one that I really enjoyed. I may not post every day, but I do read each post.
I think it is a shame.


:(

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Are you talking about JDNews? I never saw anything posted about Nelkirk on there. Maybe I missed it.

Being on ANY public message board, ya gotta have nerves of steel and a thick skin.

I will truly miss Nelkirk because she was one of the very, very, very few that was totally unbiased, IMO, and could listen to both sides of an argument, and contribute to both sides as well. I am VERY saddened.

As I said before, many posters have left. I really can't see why...this message board is "mild" compared to a great many I've been on.

:( [/*]

Yes. I have not read there but have gotten some of the things posted about here. Just now, I mean. Just horrible, mean, petty stuff.

And, yes, this board is so mild.

Bar none, Nelkirk brought information, knowledge, experience and a wonderful ability to discuss and dissect, without the bias that seems almost inevitable when one comes to a position on a case.

We will all miss her.

And, yes, you are right that one needs to have tough skin and nerves of steel to be on any public board. And more's the pity.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Turner calls Marine response 'inadequate'
Wednesday, April 09, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/4jnue6 [/*]

Hmmm I wonder why the congressman didn't just release all the 29 answers given by the Marine Corps like the 29 questions he asked them.

Seems like the Congressman is a little sheepish about listing the answers. I wonder why? He sure made an effort to see that the 29 questions were out in the public domain.

imoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yes. I have not read there but have gotten some of the things posted about here. Just now, I mean. Just horrible, mean, petty stuff.

And, yes, this board is so mild.

Bar none, Nelkirk brought information, knowledge, experience and a wonderful ability to discuss and dissect, without the bias that seems almost inevitable when one comes to a position on a case.

We will all miss her.

And, yes, you are right that one needs to have tough skin and nerves of steel to be on any public board. And more's the pity. [/*]

Well.......maybe they all will come back once Cesar gets captured and there is more meat to this case. I certainly hope so.

There's not a one poster on here, since the beginning, that I would want gone.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hmmm I wonder why the congressman didn't just release all the 29 answers given by the Marine Corps like the 29 questions he asked them.

Seems like the Congressman is a little sheepish about listing the answers. I wonder why? He sure made an effort to see that the 29 questions were out in the public domain.

imoo [/*]

He probably didn't get the answers he wanted.

jmoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


He probably didn't get the answers he wanted.

jmoo [/*]
Which many of us speculated would be the case ;)

Basing many of his questions on the info. that was given to him was a BIG mistake imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hmmm I wonder why the congressman didn't just release all the 29 answers given by the Marine Corps like the 29 questions he asked them.

Seems like the Congressman is a little sheepish about listing the answers. I wonder why? He sure made an effort to see that the 29 questions were out in the public domain.

imoo [/*]

So, you noticed that too eh?;)

Sheepish is a nice word and describes it well IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
NEL is gone and it was her choice. I believe we lost a most important asset to this case and am deeply saddened.

I hope if Nel reads, she knows how many of us value her and hope she will return. :patriot:

You are a class act always Nelkirk! :rose: [/*]

OMG...say it isn't true. Nelkirk was one of our finest imo. I loved her posts. Totally shocked.........I wish she would reconsider.

She was so filled with such intelligent thoughts and had the ability to look at the case without any bias or agenda.

I will surely miss her and can only hope that she returns. If not then we certainly have lost a vital poster who can't be replaced.

:(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Which many of us speculated would be the case ;)

Basing many of his questions on the info. that was given to him was a BIG mistake imo [/*]

Indeed it was Ivy. Google is your best friend and RESEARCH should be key prior to calling on the USMC so you know you are in the same universe anyway.

JMOOC. :patriot:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


He probably didn't get the answers he wanted.

jmoo [/*]

Tis true.....I believe.

Sure seems strange that he didn't put all of those answers right out there for everyone to see.

imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Tis true.....I believe.

Sure seems strange that he didn't put all of those answers right out there for everyone to see.

imoo [/*]

He says the answers are inadequate. Maybe he is embarrassed for the MC. jmo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He says the answers are inadequate. Maybe he is embarrassed for the MC. jmo [/*]

Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Tis true.....I believe.

Sure seems strange that he didn't put all of those answers right out there for everyone to see.

imoo [/*]

Yes, how can anyone show their outrage when they have yet to see the detailed answers?

:( JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him. [/*]

:beer: :patriot: :beer:

[donna]

Originally posted by caejde


Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him. [/*]

ITA big time on this one!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Cryme agrees 100% with your 100% assessment of baywench's post.

One more and we'll have a consensus.

:D [/*]
Count me in too :D It is election year after all and he wants votes.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He says the answers are inadequate. Maybe he is embarrassed for the MC. jmo [/*]

I'm sure that's it. I'm sure with him being a congressman and all, he's much more worried about the mc image than reelection. jmo

[caejde]

I don't know if Nelkirk will read or not. I know I can't PM her because her account was deleted. But if she's reading, I hope she will come back. There were posts on JD News about her. There's posts on that site on just about everyone here it seems. In my opinion, we are all grown adults and everyone should act like it and stop being so damn petty. The way some are on here, I'd think I was posting with teenagers instead of adults. If you have something negative to say about any poster on here, take it to them in a PM and be adult about it...don't act like a child and take your problems/complaints about others somewhere it's not needed. The comment section on JD News is about the articles...not what happens here on this board.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by caejde


Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him. [/*]

I don't think he is through with this. He is on the House Armed Services Committee.

jmo

[donna]

At least the USMC answers remain consistant!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He says the answers are inadequate. Maybe he is embarrassed for the MC. jmo [/*]

:lol: Now that was funny SB!

I can assure you the MARINES however are not!:D

Me thinks the Congressman is going to keep the answers he got close to his vest cuz he didn't like what he learned nor the answers.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't think he is through with this. He is on the House Armed Services Committee.

jmo [/*]

I actually think our Congress has much more pressing things to worry about.

imoo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't think he is through with this. He is on the House Armed Services Committee.

jmo [/*]

Like that's supposed to mean something??? Because it really doesn't. He isn't going to get the answers he wants, because the Marine Corps has all the paper work, log books, etc to show they did everything by the book.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't think he is through with this. He is on the House Armed Services Committee.

jmo [/*]

I wouldn't bet the farm on that. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:lol: Now that was funny SB!

I can assure you the MARINES however are not!:D

Me thinks the Congressman is going to keep the answers he got close to his vest cuz he didn't like what he learned nor the answers.

imoo [/*]

Yes, just a few days ago we were hearing about how he would put it all out there from someone here...or that they were hoping he would.

He got more than he bargained for IMO. :o

Nobody likes egg on their face when they know it's really because they stuck their head in it IMO.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by donna


ITA.

Seems some really good posters have left. Nel was one that I really enjoyed. I may not post every day, but I do read each post.
I think it is a shame.


:( [/*]


Many posters have left. Wonder why? There really is nothing much to discuss anymore. jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



Many posters have left. Wonder why? There really is nothing much to discuss anymore. jmo [/*]

That is not the reason.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes, just a few days ago we were hearing about how he would put it all out there from someone here...or that they were hoping he would.

He got more than he bargained for IMO. :o

Nobody likes egg on their face when they know it's really because they stuck their head in it IMO. [/*]

Seems a little testy on this board tonight.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde
I don't know if Nelkirk will read or not. I know I can't PM her because her account was deleted. But if she's reading, I hope she will come back. There were posts on JD News about her. There's posts on that site on just about everyone here it seems. In my opinion, we are all grown adults and everyone should act like it and stop being so damn petty. The way some are on here, I'd think I was posting with teenagers instead of adults. If you have something negative to say about any poster on here, take it to them in a PM and be adult about it...don't act like a child and take your problems/complaints about others somewhere it's not needed. The comment section on JD News is about the articles...not what happens here on this board. [/*]

You mean on the blog site or the comment section attached to an article? Who in the world would have one negative thing to say about Nelkirk or for that matter anyone here? Good grief...sounds like a bunch of immature bratty kids. I haven't read that site in a few days. Sounds like it has digressed into nothing but bad behavior. I am sure it has completely derailed the topic discussion and become nothing but a bash fest. What a rotten shame and I bet these people are way old enough to know better.:(

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



Many posters have left. Wonder why? There really is nothing much to discuss anymore. jmo [/*]

I think there is plenty to discuss. The case is just beginning as far as i can tell. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde


Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him. [/*]

Ah yes...ITA

This should be the post of the day!

jmoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by donna


That is not the reason. [/*]

Take a look at how posters are talking to me. A little hostile here, wouldn't you say?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Ah yes...ITA

This should be the post of the day!

jmoo [/*]

I second that. All in favor?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by caejde
I don't know if Nelkirk will read or not. I know I can't PM her because her account was deleted. But if she's reading, I hope she will come back. There were posts on JD News about her. There's posts on that site on just about everyone here it seems. In my opinion, we are all grown adults and everyone should act like it and stop being so damn petty. The way some are on here, I'd think I was posting with teenagers instead of adults. If you have something negative to say about any poster on here, take it to them in a PM and be adult about it...don't act like a child and take your problems/complaints about others somewhere it's not needed. The comment section on JD News is about the articles...not what happens here on this board. [/*]

:beer:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


You mean on the blog site or the comment section attached to an article? Who in the world would have one negative thing to say about Nelkirk or for that matter anyone here? Good grief...sounds like a bunch of immature bratty kids. I haven't read that site in a few days. Sounds like it has digressed into nothing but bad behavior. I am sure it has completely derailed the topic discussion and become nothing but a bash fest. What a rotten shame and I bet these people are way old enough to know better.:(

imoo [/*]

What has that board got to do with this one and why would a poster leave here because of another board?

:confused:

[donna]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Take a look at how posters are talking to me. A little hostile here, wouldn't you say? [/*]

No.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde


Like that's supposed to mean something??? Because it really doesn't. He isn't going to get the answers he wants, because the Marine Corps has all the paper work, log books, etc to show they did everything by the book. [/*]

Yep.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


:beer: [/*]

caejde...you're on a roll baby!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by donna


No. [/*]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I second that. All in favor? [/*]

:beer:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He says the answers are inadequate. Maybe he is embarrassed for the MC. jmo [/*]
I interpreted it as he believed the actions taken by the Marines were inadequate.

"Unfortunately, the response from Gen. Kramlich demonstrates that the actions taken by the Marine Corps to protect Lt. Cpl. Maria Lauterbach were totally inadequate," he said.

He complained that the Marines' investigation of her rape accusation demonstrated a "lack of urgency," and said that it took six days for the Marines to begin investigating after Lauterbach approached them."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn040908turnerweb.html

I'd imagine he didn't get the answers he wanted either since the investigation is still ongoing and they're not going to release what they know to a member of Congress.

[martha]

where is Nelkirk and henry? i am sure missing them.:rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by martha
where is Nelkirk and henry? i am sure missing them.:rose: [/*]:rose:

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Take a look at how posters are talking to me. A little hostile here, wouldn't you say? [/*]

You are a perfect example of someone that needs to toughen up.
You have accused me of being mean to you. I will agree your comments sometimes drive me crazy in their simplicity but being hostile? What in the world could be posted on a message board that you would consider "hostile". Many people here do not agree with you....lighten up. Snarky can get you banned on this board FGS. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


What has that board got to do with this one and why would a poster leave here because of another board?

:confused: [/*]

I don't know........I haven't read that site in days....it became too disgusting but if Nelkirk is being slammed over there it is because of her posts over here.

I guess she thought............to heck with it.

I sure wish she would come back. She was outstanding.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by martha
where is Nelkirk and henry? i am sure missing them.:rose: [/*]

Hi, Martha! Hope you are doing well. I miss them also - as well as Sami and Hinman!

[gaelicpeas]

I have a question sort of related to the discussion about Congressman Turner. I have never been involved in a murder trial of a relative (or of anyone for that matter!), but does LE or the DA share their evidence with the victim's family before the trial?

TIA

(unfortunately, if Nelkirk was here, she could probably answer this. And yes, I am very sorry she left even if we disagreed on some things. We had some great discussions late at night.)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde


Like that's supposed to mean something??? Because it really doesn't. He isn't going to get the answers he wants, because the Marine Corps has all the paper work, log books, etc to show they did everything by the book. [/*]

<scarcasm on> Now you know that isn't going to wash with Mike Turner!

And I feel sure the USMC is literallly shaking in their boots just waiting to see what Congressman Turner is going to do to them next. Like one man on the Armed Services Committee controls everything. <scarcasm off> :rolleyes:

[marinewife5]

http://www.navyleaguephilly.org/eventannouncements/GenKramlich0308.pdf

this is just some background info on the general in the dayton article, in case anyone wants to know who's who.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by sunstar

I interpreted it as he believed the actions taken by the Marines were inadequate.

"Unfortunately, the response from Gen. Kramlich demonstrates that the actions taken by the Marine Corps to protect Lt. Cpl. Maria Lauterbach were totally inadequate," he said.

He complained that the Marines' investigation of her rape accusation demonstrated a "lack of urgency," and said that it took six days for the Marines to begin investigating after Lauterbach approached them."

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/04/09/ddn040908turnerweb.html

I'd imagine he didn't get the answers he wanted either since the investigation is still ongoing and they're not going to release what they know to a member of Congress. [/*]

The MC is not an island onto themselves. They have to answer to congress. The military does not do it's own thing and run itself.

imo

[baywench]

How did I miss that Henry is gone? When did that happen? It's the moderates that are disappearing and that is scary IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't know........I haven't read that site in days....it became too disgusting but if Nelkirk is being slammed over there it is because of her posts over here.

I guess she thought............to heck with it.

I sure wish she would come back. She was outstanding.

imoo [/*]

There was a concentrated effort to go after Nelkirk and malign her any way possible. She is by far one of the most respectful posters I have ever had the pleasure of posting with and the patience she has shown thru adversity for the past two days is beyond commendable.

What a shame that someone thought it was a funny challenge and did everything they could between two boards to demean, embarass, humiliate and degrade her.

Shame on the lot of them as we have lost a most valuable resource and a good sound mind who held a wealth of information and didn't mind sharing.

JMO.

:patriot:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench
How did I miss that Henry is gone? When did that happen? It's the moderates that are disappearing and that is scary IMO [/*]

Henry has been gone about a week now, I think.

JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5
http://www.navyleaguephilly.org/eventannouncements/GenKramlich0308.pdf

this is just some background info on the general in the dayton article, in case anyone wants to know who's who. [/*]

VERY impressive!

:)

[martha]

I don;t post a lot because i am not smarter enought to do so. I try to read as much as I can but I miss a lot because I have not been feeling very good. I have not read anything that nelkirk and henry have posted that had anything wrong with it. I hope they will come back. i miss them:rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


The MC is not an island onto themselves. They have to answer to congress. The military does not do it's own thing and run itself.

imo [/*]

The MC answers to the Commander in Chief. Congress has some say, but not as much as some would like to think. jmo

eta: pillows...so you don't feel beat up :tongue:

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


The MC is not an island onto themselves. They have to answer to congress. The military does not do it's own thing and run itself.

imo [/*]

And yet they were able to pull together to falisfy records and in general run a conspiracy against one poor marine. Unbelievable! JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


The MC is not an island onto themselves. They have to answer to congress. The military does not do it's own thing and run itself.

imo [/*]
If the Congressman were acting in an official capacity like during a Congressional Inquiry but I thought his letter was on behalf of Maria's family.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by martha
I don;t post a lot because i am not smarter enought to do so. I try to read as much as I can but I miss a lot because I have not been feeling very good. I have not read anything that nelkirk and henry have posted that had anything wrong with it. I hope they will come back. i miss them:rose: [/*]

Martha you are smart enough to post here when ever you want. I hope you feel better soon sweetheart. :rose: :rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

If the Congressman were acting in an official capacity like during a Congressional Inquiry but I thought his letter was on behalf of Maria's family. [/*]

:patriot: Spot on sun!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


There was a concentrated effort to go after Nelkirk and malign her any way possible. She is by far one of the most respectful posters I have ever had the pleasure of posting with and the patience she has shown thru adversity for the past two days is beyond commendable.

What a shame that someone thought it was a funny challenge and did everything they could between two boards to demean, embarass, humiliate and degrade her.

Shame on the lot of them as we have lost a most valuable resource and a good sound mind who held a wealth of information and didn't mind sharing.

JMO.

:patriot: [/*]

There was a concentrated effort to malign me, you, Nelkirk, and Squawk. I think it was the same person talking back and forth to himself/herself. It was high-school stuff, IMO.

[martha]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, Martha! Hope you are doing well. I miss them also - as well as Sami and Hinman! [/*] Hi Donna what has happened to these good posters? this board is just for us to give oho and dis every angle no one should take it that personal. none of us know the truth yet. we all just want cl caught and for ml and her baby to get justice. right:rose:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by martha
I don;t post a lot because i am not smarter enought to do so. I try to read as much as I can but I miss a lot because I have not been feeling very good. I have not read anything that nelkirk and henry have posted that had anything wrong with it. I hope they will come back. i miss them:rose: [/*]

Martha, I think you have given some very good insight into this case. Post more often!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by marinewife5


The MC answers to the Commander in Chief. Congress has some say, but not as much as some would like to think. jmo

eta: pillows...so you don't feel beat up :tongue: [/*]

No it was set up that the military does not answer to the commander in chief because then we could end up with a dictatorship.

They answer to congress. Read the constitution.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


There was a concentrated effort to malign me, you, Nelkirk, and Squawk. I think it was the same person talking back and forth to himself/herself. It was high-school stuff, IMO. [/*]

What went on with Nelkirk was an ATTACK LAUNCHED from another board IMO.

There is no attack here on anyone else and the invitation to take Nel on is still available for reading.

It was a deliberate attack and you can trace the path IMO. I don't find anything comparable to what was done to her myself.

Strangely, only Nel is gone and it was because of the manner in which this was done IMO.

JMO.

[martha]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Martha you are smart enough to post here when ever you want. I hope you feel better soon sweetheart. :rose: :rose: [/*] Thank you for being so sweet about it. I read here all the time and love reading what is being thought about this case even tho i know we don;t know the truth yet. i am some other boards and the posters don;t agree with me but i don;t get mad at them they have the right to their oo:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


There was a concentrated effort to go after Nelkirk and malign her any way possible. She is by far one of the most respectful posters I have ever had the pleasure of posting with and the patience she has shown thru adversity for the past two days is beyond commendable.

What a shame that someone thought it was a funny challenge and did everything they could between two boards to demean, embarass, humiliate and degrade her.

Shame on the lot of them as we have lost a most valuable resource and a good sound mind who held a wealth of information and didn't mind sharing.

JMO.

:patriot: [/*]

ITA! :patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by martha
Hi Donna what has happened to these good posters? this board is just for us to give oho and dis every angle no one should take it that personal. none of us know the truth yet. we all just want cl caught and for ml and her baby to get justice. right:rose: [/*]

I don't really know, Martha, except that with some, everything they say is challenged. It is a good thing to discuss all views and all opinions.

Yes, I know I want more than anything for CAL to be captured and brought back to face what he has done. I also want anyone who helped him to face the consequences as well!

:rose: ... For you, Martha! Hope you get to feeling better!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


What went on with Nelkirk was an ATTACK LAUNCHED from another board IMO.

There is no attack here on anyone else and the invitation to take Nel on is still available for reading.

It was a deliberate attack and you can trace the path IMO. I don't find anything comparable to what was done to her myself.

Strangely, only Nel is gone and it was because of the manner in which this was done IMO.

JMO. [/*]

Oh okay, sorry... I thought you meant the JD News comments. That is the only place I have read anything.

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


What went on with Nelkirk was an ATTACK LAUNCHED from another board IMO.

There is no attack here on anyone else and the invitation to take Nel on is still available for reading.

It was a deliberate attack and you can trace the path IMO. I don't find anything comparable to what was done to her myself.

Strangely, only Nel is gone and it was because of the manner in which this was done IMO.

JMO. [/*]

Exactly. It was very meanspirited and for NO reason.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by baywench


And yet they were able to pull together to falisfy records and in general run a conspiracy against one poor marine. Unbelievable! JMO [/*]

Didn't you already know that?? That was the master plan from day one bay. Get with the program dear! ;)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Henry has been gone about a week now, I think.

JMO [/*]
Henry, along with Sami and Hinman are posting on other forums here, they're not gone, just choosen to not post here!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


ITA! :patriot: [/*]

ITTA! :patriot:

And it was dirty and low down. Actually pretty pathetic IMOO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Henry, along with Sami and Hinman are posting on other forums here, they're not gone, just choosen to not post here! [/*]

Correct... as I understand it, it was their choice to leave this board. They weren't banned.

I am going to re-post my earlier post because no one responded as we were discussing all the missing posters:

I have a question sort of related to the discussion about Congressman Turner. I have never been involved in a murder trial of a relative (or of anyone for that matter!), but does LE or the DA share their evidence with the victim's family before the trial?

TIA

(unfortunately, if Nelkirk was here, she could probably answer this. And yes, I am very sorry she left even if we disagreed on some things. We had some great discussions late at night.)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Didn't you already know that?? That was the master plan from day one bay. Get with the program dear! ;) [/*]

I wouldn't be surprised if the mc is disbanded all together. LOL

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


What went on with Nelkirk was an ATTACK LAUNCHED from another board IMO.

There is no attack here on anyone else and the invitation to take Nel on is still available for reading.

It was a deliberate attack and you can trace the path IMO. I don't find anything comparable to what was done to her myself.

Strangely, only Nel is gone and it was because of the manner in which this was done IMO.

JMO. [/*]

Really? Well I have had the worst posts about me there then anyone else. Those posters come from here. jmo

It needs to stop. That board is being trashed for no reason. I don't care what is written about me because I think it's funny, but obviously others can't take it.

Everyone should just stop now. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by martha
Thank you for being so sweet about it. I read here all the time and love reading what is being thought about this case even tho i know we don;t know the truth yet. i am some other boards and the posters don;t agree with me but i don;t get mad at them they have the right to their oo:rose: [/*]

Hi sweetie...

Please clean your PM box.:)

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Correct... as I understand it, it was their choice to leave this board. They weren't banned.

I am going to re-post my earlier post because no one responded as we were discussing all the missing posters:

I have a question sort of related to the discussion about Congressman Turner. I have never been involved in a murder trial of a relative (or of anyone for that matter!), but does LE or the DA share their evidence with the victim's family before the trial?
~snipped[/*]
In another case I know of, and know the family members, YES they were told the evidence!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I wouldn't be surprised if the mc is disbanded all together. LOL [/*]

Well, gee, General Petraus has been sitting in front of congress for three days answering to them. Congress is deciding if they will keep financing this war that isn't a legal war. Wonder why Petraus wasn't just answering to Bush?

JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Didn't you already know that?? That was the master plan from day one bay. Get with the program dear! ;) [/*]

I apologize Nut, sometimes that dang common sense gets in my way hammer

[donna]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Henry, along with Sami and Hinman are posting on other forums here, they're not gone, just choosen to not post here! [/*]

Oh, I know they were not banned. I miss them on this board!

:)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

In another case I know of, and know the family members, YES they were told the evidence! [/*]

Okay... so why wouldn't the MC/NCIS share ML's medical record with Congressman Turner? Would they share it with ML's family, but just not with Turner?

TIA

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Well, gee, General Petraus has been sitting in front of congress for three days answering to them. Congress is deciding if they will keep financing this war that isn't a legal war. Wonder why Petraus wasn't just answering to Bush?

JMO [/*]

Yes this post explains ALOT about you.:cool: I sure hope you never need defending. Although the military will defend you, they will even defend your right to denegrade them every chance you get. IMO

[marinewife5]

So, I think LE is waiting to talk to CL before they press any charges on CSL. Give him a few minutes with a good defense atty, and he will sing like a bird to save his skin (what's good for the gander is good for the goose) JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Okay... so why wouldn't the MC/NCIS share ML's medical record with Congressman Turner? Would they share it with ML's family, but just not with Turner?

TIA [/*]

That's an interesting question...if (God forbid) anything should happen to my daughter would I have access to medical file. To tell you the truth as an adult I am not sure she would want me or anyone to have access to that. JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I wouldn't be surprised if the mc is disbanded all together. LOL [/*]

:eek: You think? After going on for 233 years?:biggrin:

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


That's an interesting question...if (God forbid) anything should happen to my daughter would I have access to medical file. To tell you the truth as an adult I am not sure she would want me or anyone to have access to that. JMO [/*]

I don't think anyone will see it until the case is concluded. JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:eek: You think? After going on for 233 years?:biggrin:

imoo [/*]

of course. and they'll wait until i pick up all hubby's uniforms from the dry cleaners. :biggrin:

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5
So, I think LE is waiting to talk to CL before they press any charges on CSL. Give him a few minutes with a good defense atty, and he will sing like a bird to save his skin (what's good for the gander is good for the goose) JMO [/*]

ITA MW5, they will slinging accusations and pointing fingers at each so fast! No honor amoung theives as they say. JMO

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi sweetie...

Please clean your PM box.:)

imoo [/*] ha just did is there a way to know if you get a pm? :rose:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


ITA MW5, they will slinging accusations and pointing fingers at each so fast! No honor amoung theives as they say. JMO [/*]

I would love to be there. And somewhere in the middle of their lies, will be the truth. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Okay... so why wouldn't the MC/NCIS share ML's medical record with Congressman Turner? Would they share it with ML's family, but just not with Turner?

TIA [/*]

I don't think so....especially if any part of it is included in the investigation of the alleged rape or the investigation that is on going concerning the murder.

Really, Maria was an adult. She didn't die from some medical cause so I don't think a family member has a right to peer into a child's records if they are adults.

imoo

[baywench]

Originally posted by Torchwood


Exactly. The fore fathers set up the Federal government to stop too much power being in small hands. Imagine if the military was under exclusive control of the President: we would have become a banana republic like in South America by 1800. LOL

In the Constitution it states "President of the United States, who "shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." This requires a declaration of war.

He is not Commander In Chief at any other time. There is a Constitutional argument that he may not legally be commander in cheif right now, as there is no delacred war going on.

The job of the commander in chief is not to oversee the military but to command them in a time when debate may slow down the ability to plan an execute the war. The commander in chief commands the military at this time.

However, there is a separation of powers, that Adams and Jefferson fought for to protect us from would be monarchs and dictators. The president does not oversee the military, Congress does. This may be hard to understand for the non-voting, save us from the terrorists fearing Americans who give up their rights for a little safety (as Jefferson said, if you give up your rights ot feel safe you shall neither be safe nor free), but We The People are the ones who run our military.

We elect our representatives to run the government, including the military. We fund it, set rules and oversee it at all times through Congress. We declare war, not the President. Congress represents us; the President represents the Federal government (until 1840 most Americans didn't even vote for President. It was the state governments that did, that why we have the stupid electoral college).

So, for all you arguing that the Armed Service Committees of the House and Senate have no jurisdiction, you are wrong. In fact, there is a subcomittee of both the House and Senate committees that deal specifically with Military Justice and the welfare of the troops.

Just for the record, the Commander in Chief Commands the military's actions in wartime; we the people control the purse strings, how it is made up and how it is maintained.

--Capt. Jack Harkness, Torchwood [/*]
Wow how fortutious you showed up. An answers to Squawks prayers. She couldn't have answered that better if she did her herself :cool:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood


Exactly. The fore fathers set up the Federal government to stop too much power being in small hands. Imagine if the military was under exclusive control of the President: we would have become a banana republic like in South America by 1800. LOL

In the Constitution it states "President of the United States, who "shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States." This requires a declaration of war.

He is not Commander In Chief at any other time. There is a Constitutional argument that he may not legally be commander in cheif right now, as there is no declared war going on.

The job of the commander in chief is not to oversee the military but to command them in a time when debate may slow down the ability to plan an execute the war. The commander in chief commands the military at this time.

However, there is a separation of powers, that Adams and Jefferson fought for to protect us from would be monarchs and dictators. The president does not oversee the military, Congress does. This may be hard to understand for the non-voting, save us from the terrorists fearing Americans who give up their rights for a little safety (as Jefferson said, if you give up your rights ot feel safe you shall neither be safe nor free), but We The People are the ones who run our military.

We elect our representatives to run the government, including the military. We fund it, set rules and oversee it at all times through Congress. We declare war, not the President. Congress represents us; the President represents the Federal government (until 1840 most Americans didn't even vote for President. It was the state governments that did, that why we have the stupid electoral college).

So, for all you arguing that the Armed Service Committees of the House and Senate have no jurisdiction, you are wrong. In fact, there is a subcomittee of both the House and Senate committees that deal specifically with Military Justice and the welfare of the troops.

Just for the record, the Commander in Chief Commands the military's actions in wartime; we the people control the purse strings, how it is made up and how it is maintained.

--Capt. Jack Harkness, Torchwood [/*]

I understand that. My point was (as I've moved on) that one congressman is not going to get the answers he WANTS vs. the answers that ARE THE TRUTH simply because he's a member of congress and a member of the armed services committee. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


That's an interesting question...if (God forbid) anything should happen to my daughter would I have access to medical file. To tell you the truth as an adult I am not sure she would want me or anyone to have access to that. JMO [/*]

Yeah, I need to go read up on HIPAA. I have a huge file on it at work, so I will see if I can wade through it tomorrow.

It seems to me that the HIPAA privacy concerns would end at death, but maybe not. Who knows - it is a regulation with lots of pros and cons, IMO.

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think so....especially if any part of it is included in the investigation of the alleged rape or the investigation that is on going concerning the murder.

Really, Maria was an adult. She didn't die from some medical cause so I don't think a family member has a right to peer into a child's records if they are adults.

imoo [/*]

I hope that's right GB. Even though my daughter has no problems I am aware of I would like to know that her privacy is completely protected. Just as I hope my own is. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5
So, I think LE is waiting to talk to CL before they press any charges on CSL. Give him a few minutes with a good defense atty, and he will sing like a bird to save his skin (what's good for the gander is good for the goose) JMO [/*]

My thoughts too MW, especially if by chance he is captured in the USA. I think we will see a whole new ballgame with reference to who is sitting in the hot seat.

As long as the letters and Christina are all that can be presented, what can they do? But enter something not addressed and boom the tables will turn IMO. :patriot:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


My thoughts too MW, especially if by chance he is captured in the USA. I think we will see a whole new ballgame with reference to who is sitting in the hot seat.

As long as the letters and Christina are all that can be presented, what can they do? But enter something not addressed and boom the tables will turn IMO. :patriot: [/*]


many holes to fill, imo.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood

You are correct. She couldn't answer it this well. Frankly, I care little about this case. I care about the big picture and right now this Country has problems, and frankly it is because people don't know much about the Constitution.

The power comes from the Citizens. We give it to people to do good for us. And when the majority don't care no more, that when we lose our rights.

So, go on, argue your mistaken view of how the system works, and prove my point. [/*]

Methinks you are on the wrong thread. Political discussion is thataway. ---->

thank you for the info. I had already read it myself.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


That's an interesting question...if (God forbid) anything should happen to my daughter would I have access to medical file. To tell you the truth as an adult I am not sure she would want me or anyone to have access to that. JMO [/*]
I seem to recall that the medical records would still be protected, and the only thing that could make them public would be if information contained in them was needed to prove something at trial. :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think so....especially if any part of it is included in the investigation of the alleged rape or the investigation that is on going concerning the murder.

Really, Maria was an adult. She didn't die from some medical cause so I don't think a family member has a right to peer into a child's records if they are adults.

imoo [/*]

I don't know... it is a fuzzy area, IMO. It is a homicide, and if there is anything in her medical record that would enlighten the circumstances of her murder, and if I were a family member, I would certainly want to know about it.

JMO - I will try to wade through the language tomorrow, see what it says, and report back.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I don't know... it is a fuzzy area, IMO. It is a homicide, and if there is anything in her medical record that would enlighten the circumstances of her murder, and if I were a family member, I would certainly want to know about it.

JMO - I will try to wade through the language tomorrow, see what it says, and report back. [/*]


That would be great. :patriot:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Yeah, I need to go read up on HIPAA. I have a huge file on it at work, so I will see if I can wade through it tomorrow.

It seems to me that the HIPAA privacy concerns would end at death, but maybe not. Who knows - it is a regulation with lots of pros and cons, IMO. [/*]

I would think Maria's family would have to go through the FOIA to acquire her medical records.

jmoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

I seem to recall that the medical records would still be protected, and the only thing that could make them public would be if information contained in them was needed to prove something at trial. :shrug: [/*]

That is sort of what I was thinking too, Sunstar. Similar to CL's DNA on file with the military. Someone posted a link a few weeks ago saying that a military person's DNA was protected unless LE requested it for a criminal investigation, or something to that effect. I don't have the link, so I will just have to say IMO.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


That is sort of what I was thinking too, Sunstar. Similar to CL's DNA on file with the military. Someone posted a link a few weeks ago saying that a military person's DNA was protected unless LE requested it for a criminal investigation, or something to that effect. I don't have the link, so I will just have to IMO. [/*]

i remember that...nelkirk brought us that info (i miss her). iirc, the secnav has to approve the request. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


That is sort of what I was thinking too, Sunstar. Similar to CL's DNA on file with the military. Someone posted a link a few weeks ago saying that a military person's DNA was protected unless LE requested it for a criminal investigation, or something to that effect. I don't have the link, so I will just have to say IMO. [/*]
I remember that too. ;)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by martha
I don;t post a lot because i am not smarter enough to do so. I try to read as much as I can but I miss a lot because I have not been feeling very good. I have not read anything that nelkirk and henry have posted that had anything wrong with it. I hope they will come back. i miss them:rose: [/*]

Martha, I think you are a very wise woman. Your posts are filled with honest thoughts, commonsense and great logic.

Don't underestimate yourself..............I sure don't. I enjoy your posts very much.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I would think Maria's family would have to go through the FOIA to acquire her medical records.

jmoo [/*]

Could be, Nuttin. I can certainly see the MC not turning over her personal record to Turner.. just not sure about turning them over to her family, though.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Who cares about the medical records? The question is: how was this handled by the military. Records can be brought in if a member of the military ends up being court martialed for improper actions? [/*]
Oh, my bad ~ I thought Maria's family wanted her medical records and that was one of the requests of the congressman.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


I am from a mililtary family...my Dad, my uncles (3), my grandfather, his father, my nephew and my daughter. That's what I want you to know about me. It was the worst year of my life when DD was there (she volunteered by the way). SInce I am not going to be the one that's fighting it is not my place to second guess her or her service. She seems to understand her mission. JMO [/*]

I like the majority of the country want them out. We have lost enough of our bright and beautiful. jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


I am from a mililtary family...my Dad, my uncles (3), my grandfather, his father, my nephew and my daughter. That's what I want you to know about me. It was the worst year of my life when DD was there (she volunteered by the way). SInce I am not going to be the one that's fighting it is not my place to second guess her or her service. She seems to understand her mission. JMO [/*]

:patriot: my husband still talks about the good they did when he was there, as do several of my family members and close friends. i support the troops, and their mission. it warmed my heart to hear that maria wanted to go overseas...she was a true marine, imo.

[donna]

Originally posted by baywench


I am from a mililtary family...my Dad, my uncles (3), my grandfather, his father, my nephew and my daughter. That's what I want you to know about me. It was the worst year of my life when DD was there (she volunteered by the way). SInce I am not going to be the one that's fighting it is not my place to second guess her or her service. She seems to understand her mission. JMO [/*]

:patriot:

I appreciate your daughter and your family, baywench. I also appreciate all former military and present military (mw5's husband) for their service.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna


:patriot:

I appreciate your daughter and your family, baywench. I also appreciate all former military and present military (mw5's husband) for their service. [/*]

ty, sweetie:rose:

[baywench]

Originally posted by Torchwood
IMHO, he can request it, he can subpoena it, but they don't have to turn it over without a signed warrant from the Juducuary. Congress cannot exceed the limitations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

So, to get it they will have to issue a subpoena and get a warrant. Period. Their is no shortcut here.

However, they should look into the general issue of whether the officers who oversaw this case within the Marine Corps sufficiently protected a member or not. This has further ramifications for all women in the Marines, or do you not care about them as well? [/*]

There is nothing normal about this case. The only lesson to be learned would be to report a rape when it happens, stick to the facts, don't ever have consensual sex with your rapist, don't recant your stories and report incidents to the MPs when you are told. That would go the farthest toward protecting another marine in the same situation. WHich of course would not happen JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


:patriot: my husband still talks about the good they did when he was there, as do several of my family members and close friends. i support the troops, and their mission. it warmed my heart to hear that maria wanted to go overseas...she was a true marine, imo. [/*]

To listen to the ones that have been there you would think it was a different war we watch on TV. My daughter loved the Iraqui people and thinks the call to prayer twice a day is such a beautiful sound. JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


:patriot: my husband still talks about the good they did when he was there, as do several of my family members and close friends. i support the troops, and their mission. it warmed my heart to hear that maria wanted to go overseas...she was a true marine, imo. [/*]

:patriot:

ITA, MW5! I support them as well. My granddaughter told me the other night that she would be going to Iraq at some point. She is in Security Forces in the USAF. She actually wants to go after leaving South Korea. I am very afraid for her, but will support she and all of the military there and here at home.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna


:patriot:

ITA, MW5! I support them as well. My granddaughter told me the other night that she would be going to Iraq at some point. She is in Security Forces in the USAF. She actually wants to go after leaving South Korea. I am very afraid for her, but will support she and all of the military there and here at home. [/*]

she will be in my prayers:rose:

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


she will be in my prayers:rose: [/*]

TY, MW5! As will your husband, family, and friends be in mine!

:rose:

[baywench]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Do you have access to the investigations files? Or are you psychic? because you seem to have inside information here.

You are quoting rumors. Can we keep it to facts, please. [/*]

Drat, you got me. I'm psychic!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


To listen to the ones that have been there you would think it was a different war we watch on TV. My daughter loved the Iraqui people and thinks the call to prayer twice a day is such a beautiful sound. JMO [/*]

Have you listened to the ones who died there? Have you listened to the ones without legs or arms? There is another side to war.
WWI, WWII, and Afganistan are rightous wars. This is not and we are losing the best and brightest. jmo

barf

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


Drat, you got me. I'm psychic! [/*]

You are? And here I thought you were simply voicing your opinion

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


You are? And here I thought you were simply voicing your opinion [/*]

Yeah, but I knew what I was gonna say before I said it!:cool:

[donna]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Have you listened to the ones who died there? Have you listened to the ones without legs or arms? There is another side to war.
WWI, WWII, and Afganistan are rightous wars. This is not and we are losing the best and brightest. jmo

barf [/*]

While I respect the right to your opinion, I take great exception to this one on THIS board.

:no:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Have you listened to the ones who died there? Have you listened to the ones without legs or arms? There is another side to war.
WWI, WWII, and Afganistan are rightous wars. This is not and we are losing the best and brightest. jmo

barf [/*]

I have comforted family of those who did not return, and saw the pride and sorrow all at once in their faces. I have talked with those who've been injured, sometimes permanently and have heard some say they would have done nothing differently, as they were protecting their brother and sister Marines. We live and breathe iraq in this town. we never get away from it. i've also been the wife watching the government vehicle out the front window praying to God they made a wrong turn. I want everyone home too. The difference is, I support their mission and look beyond what the sensational media reports. jmo

Now, back on topic. Is there a difference between handing a medical file over to someone's family and simply making them privy to parts of it? anyone know?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood

She's presenting false facts as if they are proved. [/*]

I interpreted it all as opinion. jmo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by donna


While I respect the right to your opinion, I take great exception to this one on THIS board.

:no: [/*]

Why? Because I don't want any more of our troops killed? I back our troops but not the war. Why is that so unusual to you?

They don't have a choice where they are sent. jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by Torchwood

snipped*

You are quoting rumors. Can we keep it to facts, please. [/*]

With all due respect, Torchwood, this is a message board and we may post our opinions.

[baywench]

Originally posted by baywench


There is nothing normal about this case. The only lesson to be learned would be to report a rape when it happens, stick to the facts, don't ever have consensual sex with your rapist, don't recant your stories and report incidents to the MPs when you are told. That would go the farthest toward protecting another marine in the same situation. WHich of course would not happen JMO [/*]

What do you have a problem with here? You were implying that the lessons learned from this case would change the way all women marines are treated. It is not a normal case of a marine reporting rape is it? By the way JMO means Just my opinion JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Why? Because I don't want any more of our troops killed? I back our troops but not the war. Why is that so unusual to you?

They don't have a choice where they are sent. jmo [/*]

:mad:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Wow, for all the uncaring crap written on this board, implicating a young woman and her fetus killed and so many piling on to call her a *****, and she deserved it, you object to someone who has feeling for those wounded or killed in an war we should NEVER have been in????

Wow. I suggest you do some soul searching. How sad... [/*]

Provide ONE post that said she was a ***** and deserved it. ONE.

eta: I would suggest YOU get your facts straight. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


(very respectfully snipped)

Now, back on topic. Is there a difference between handing a medical file over to someone's family and simply making them privy to parts of it? anyone know? [/*]

I dunno, mw5 - I hope to find this out tomorrow. I have the whole HIPAA legislation/regulation or whatever it is called on file at work. It is a very thick document, so it may be a day or two before I get through it all.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Wow, for all the uncaring crap written on this board, implicating a young woman and her fetus killed and so many piling on to call her a *****, and she deserved it, you object to someone who has feeling for those wounded or killed in an war we should NEVER have been in????

Wow. I suggest you do some soul searching. How sad... [/*]

Please provide the quote(s) where someone on this board wrote a post that stated Maria deserved to be killed. I don't recall seeing that one. While you are at it post the quote(s) where posters on this board call her a *****. I really don't recall reading those.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I dunno, mw5 - I hope to find this out tomorrow. I have the whole HIPAA legislation/regulation or whatever it is called on file at work. It is a very thick document, so it may be a day or two before I get through it all. [/*]

I will be eternally grateful.:D

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I dunno, mw5 - I hope to find this out tomorrow. I have the whole HIPAA legislation/regulation or whatever it is called on file at work. It is a very thick document, so it may be a day or two before I get through it all. [/*]

Maria is dead. The family has the death certificate. They should be able to get her records. The MC does not want them to have it so they are using the excuse that the rape investigation is on going. That is a joke because the rape investigation was never started properly. jmo

Time for a congressional hearing. jmo

If one is a murderer on the run and one is dead the rape investigation is over. jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Wow, for all the uncaring crap written on this board, implicating a young woman and her fetus killed and so many piling on to call her a *****, and she deserved it, you object to someone who has feeling for those wounded or killed in an war we should NEVER have been in????

Wow. I suggest you do some soul searching. How sad... [/*]

I have never said Maria and Gabriel deserved to be brutially murdered.

Your opinion on this war is a political one and does not belong here - maybe on another thread.

Maybe you should do some soul searching as well. I have a great deal of feeling for each and every one of our troops overseas fighting for mine and YOUR freedom and the freedom of others. And that goes for WHEREVER they are.

[gaelicpeas]

With all due respect to individual posters' opinions, this case has nothing at all to do with the war in Iraq. There are political forums available here to discuss the merits or not of that.

IMO, there was not a MC/NCIS/JAG conspiracy involved here. From my viewpoint (and I realize others disagree), everything started with one false negative pregnancy test.

But that is JMO, and I could be absolutely wrong. Who knows until all the evidence is in.

JMO again.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

ROFL ! [/*]

Sounds like something coming right out of a cave no less. :eek:

JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
With all due respect to individual posters' opinions, this case has nothing at all to do with the war in Iraq. There are political forums available here to discuss the merits or not of that.

IMO, there was not a MC/NCIS/JAG conspiracy involved here. From my viewpoint (and I realize others disagree), everything started with one false negative pregnancy test.

But that is JMO, and I could be absolutely wrong. Who knows until all the evidence is in.

JMO again. [/*]

Again, we are seeing a recruiting effort and it's not from IS boards, I can tell you that much. JMO :shrug:

You are seeing what some of us have seen over and over again. This is an attempt to get the board shut down IMO.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Maria is dead. The family has the death certificate. They should be able to get her records. The MC does not want them to have it so they are using the excuse that the rape investigation is on going. That is a joke because the rape investigation was never started properly. jmo

CYA Time for a congressional hearing. jmo [/*]

Maria was an adult, so why would they be entitled to her records automatically? And i thought the case they were referring to was the murder one. jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Sounds like something coming right out of a cave no less. :eek:

JMO. [/*]

Yes, and I think I know which cave and who the bats are!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Torchwood

Saying someone enjoyed being raped? That would imply a *****, don't you think.

A 19th century mindset.... [/*]

Please link to the post that states "___________enjoyed being raped."

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood

It might. When the truth of all comes out, and facts are separated from rumor.

From what I understand is she was raped. It can be rape even if they had consensual sex before (which is unsubstantiated). For instance, a husband can rape his wife. Let's say she said no that night, even if she was intimate before, and he forces her. THAT IS RAPE. Period. This isn't the 19th Century here.

Why did she not come forward. This is not uncommon. She lives on the same base as him. Fear! Also, by implicating a fellow member of the Marines she violate the unwritten code of watching each others back. Her accusing Laurean must have been seen as accusing all of his brothers in arms. Fear is why so many rapes have gone unreported. Why a girls father could get away with raping his daughter for so many years.

"Fear is the mind killer." (Bonus points if you can tell me where that phrase comes from).

Sympathy for the victim is not a priority on this board. [/*]

I do not know of any marines who live by an unwritten code that would allow a person to be raped and not report it. jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Again, we are seeing a recruiting effort and it's not from IS boards, I can tell you that much. JMO :shrug:

You are seeing what some of us have seen over and over again. This is an attempt to get the board shut down IMO. [/*]

We have all been here before and managed to keep the integrity of the board. No matter what your opinion is, it is welcome here. We will discuss and pick it apart for sure but we will not put YOU down. JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood

It might. When the truth of all comes out, and facts are separated from rumor.

From what I understand is she was raped. It can be rape even if they had consensual sex before (which is unsubstantiated). For instance, a husband can rape his wife. Let's say she said no that night, even if she was intimate before, and he forces her. THAT IS RAPE. Period. This isn't the 19th Century here.

Why did she not come forward. This is not uncommon. She lives on the same base as him. Fear! Also, by implicating a fellow member of the Marines she violate the unwritten code of watching each others back. Her accusing Laurean must have been seen as accusing all of his brothers in arms. Fear is why so many rapes have gone unreported. Why a girls father could get away with raping his daughter for so many years.

"Fear is the mind killer." (Bonus points if you can tell me where that phrase comes from).

Sympathy for the victim is not a priority on this board. [/*]

are you implying that the good congressman did not get the truth?

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Martha, I think you are a very wise woman. Your posts are filled with honest thoughts, commonsense and great logic.

Don't underestimate yourself..............I sure don't. I enjoy your posts very much.

imoo [/*]Thank you GB you or a sweetheart. I think i got the pm box cleaned out now lol:rose:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by caejde


Isn't that what he wants...to make the Corps look bad? If there was anything that would embarass the Corps I dont' think he would hesitate to let it all out. However, I think it probably embarasses him. [/*]

Oh I don't give that tool that much credit.

Some aide told him it might be a good idea.

Anything is better than his record.

[baywench]

Originally posted by Torchwood


I was talking to the board in general. Sorry. There is a general sentiment that she deserved what she got. That poor baby.... [/*]

You are still wrong. You need to catch up on the board since you're so "new" because you have completely missed the general sentiment. THe general sentiment is that CSL is a POS that murdered Maria and her baby and deserves everything he gets. JMO

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Maria was an adult, so why would they be entitled to her records automatically? And i thought the case they were referring to was the murder one. jmo [/*]

Next of kin. The MC is not doing an investigation on the murder. jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Next of kin. The MC is not doing an investigation on the murder. jmo [/*]

I know they are not. I am saying that they may be contributing evidence. Next of kin may not entitle them to her records. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Torchwood

It might. When the truth of all comes out, and facts are separated from rumor.

From what I understand is she was raped. It can be rape even if they had consensual sex before (which is unsubstantiated). For instance, a husband can rape his wife. Let's say she said no that night, even if she was intimate before, and he forces her. THAT IS RAPE. Period. This isn't the 19th Century here.

Why did she not come forward. This is not uncommon. She lives on the same base as him. Fear! Also, by implicating a fellow member of the Marines she violate the unwritten code of watching each others back. Her accusing Laurean must have been seen as accusing all of his brothers in arms. Fear is why so many rapes have gone unreported. Why a girls father could get away with raping his daughter for so many years.

"Fear is the mind killer." (Bonus points if you can tell me where that phrase comes from).

Sympathy for the victim is not a priority on this board. [/*]

There was no rape charge and there are many reasons to believe she was providing inconsistent statements along with reporting a month later, not to mention the idea that she said the child was not a product of rape on November 5th and that would have to mean she was engaging in sex again after the allegations of rape IMHO if he was the child of Cesar.

Sympathies are offered on the memorial site listed in links IMO.

This is a board dedicated to the dissection of a CASE period IMO.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Torchwood


You don't follow my point.

Let's say Laurean denied it, convinced them she was lying and that she was out to get back at him for dumping her, they would look out for her by backing him up. And their treatment of her would make her think about retribution if she makes puts it on record. These are not cut and dry. People react in varying ways to external stimulus. [/*]

I am following your point. I simply don't agree with it. JMO

[donna]

:seeya:

Good night, everyone!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, everyone! [/*]

:seeya:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by IvySterling

TAKE IT ELSEWHERE, PLEEEZ :rolleyes: [/*]

Stop harassing me, pleeez

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, everyone! [/*]

G'night...it was nice seeing you!:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, everyone! [/*]
Nite donna :seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Stop harassing me, pleeez [/*]
:confused:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


There was no rape charge and there are many reasons to believe she was providing inconsistent statements along with reporting a month later, not to mention the idea that she said the child was not a product of rape on November 5th and that would have to mean she was engaging in sex again after the allegations of rape IMHO if he was the child of Cesar.

snipped. [/*]

I have not been online for a few hrs and have not caught up in this thread, but I do want to answer this.

Has anyone else here done any kind of criminal intake? Where someone reports an alleged crime to you? Or spent any time at all in court listening to witness statememts? Or, in this case, been involved in hearing rape survivors' accounts, in an out of court?

Because I have. I do. And those of you who have known me for a few yrs, know that is the case.

And there are things told to you that sound right and some that don't, right off the bat. As police describe it, you get that hinky feeling. I don't like that expression, but I do think it is descriptive.

ML's account, her actions, the times of reporting, who she reported to, her changing stories, her not being afraid of him, telling her mom she might go to a party where he is---all of that would be wearing out the hinky meter of any professional to whom she told it.

Add to that her history of lying and it just makes it even, well, hikier.

I can tell you that professionally, and in the rape counseling work I have done all my adult life as a volunteer counselor with rape survivors in and out of court, ML's story would have professionals saying oh, this one is going to turn out to be a false accusation.

Then you go ahead and do all the investigating, and all the tests, and all the reporting and all the counseling and, in about 99% of the hinky cases, you find out that your gut was right.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I have a question sort of related to the discussion about Congressman Turner. I have never been involved in a murder trial of a relative (or of anyone for that matter!), but does LE or the DA share their evidence with the victim's family before the trial?

TIA

(unfortunately, if Nelkirk was here, she could probably answer this. And yes, I am very sorry she left even if we disagreed on some things. We had some great discussions late at night.) [/*]

I hate that she is gone. I hate that tools did that to her.

O/t: Not necessarily. A DA might or might not share evidence with the family of the victim before the trial.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITTA! :patriot:

And it was dirty and low down. Actually pretty pathetic IMOO. [/*]

You forgot to add stupid to that.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by daniel green


You forgot to add stupid to that. [/*]
Okay, I'll not only add stupid, it was 'sick'!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I wouldn't be surprised if the mc is disbanded all together. LOL [/*]

I know!!!!

I would not be surprised, either!

I bet congress is working on that right now. Changing the constitution and all...

[daniel green]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Okay, I'll not only add stupid, it was 'sick'! [/*]

Thank you, Ivy!

:patriot: