A New Dawn: What's the emotional impact on the girls and the women?

[GardenGirl]

As much as we all might be in favor of the women and children being taken out of the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado Texas this past weekend, one must be concerned about the mental welfare of all involved.
How does a person suddenly enter into that which they've been taught to mistrust and do it with an open mind?
Not sure they can, are you?

What will happen to them? Where will they go? Who will care for them and re or de program them?
Who's in charge?
Dept of children I suppose.....

The men should be charged with rape, but then again, most are products of the same isolated cult-like lifestyle and have a point of reference entirely too small.
Someone once told me that the women and men must be held accountable, sad as it may seem, as it's the only way to stop it from happening.
Otherwise, they just all go back once they're 18...


What are they thinking, I wonder? They must hate 'us', we came and took them away from their homes.
And what of the 16 year old?
Is she still alive?

What a mess.

[FoxySly]

I am so proud of Texas for making/setting up new laws knowing these creeps were moving in!!!

And not only that but they enforced them!!!

Texas will/has not turned a blind eye to this horror that Utah and Arizona has for over a hundred years.

Rock On TEXAS!!! :patriot:

Sly

[witchy1]

Originally posted by FoxySly
I am so proud of Texas for making/setting up new laws knowing these creeps were moving in!!!

And not only that but they enforced them!!!

Texas will/has not turned a blind eye to this horror that Utah and Arizona has for over a hundred years.

Rock On TEXAS!!! :patriot:

Sly [/*]

:beer:

[juliekan]

Yes maam we rock :patriot: . I posted this at another site, but I wondered if the 16 year old had originally been in Co. City and been shipped down her because she wasn't happy with her marriage. Maybe she was supposed to be "remarried" to someone else. That would explain why Barlow was up there and she was down here. Talk about abuse, if this would be the case.:mad:

[GardenGirl]

You know, if the Jeff's case hadn't happened when it did, I wonder if most of the world would even know about the YFZ Ranch at all.

The girl might not exist anyhow. Could have been any girl using it as a good story to get the law in there.
We'll see.
Either way whoever called has sure sparked a tremendous move on the part of TX law enforcement, and for that I'm glad.
I usually think of TX as the DP state, now I'm having a new think about it.

[texski]

also the utah authorities finally got off their butt and started looking for the evidence that had been there all the time. they also helped carolyn jessop in getting her divorce and her children s custody.
so maybe better late than never, but i am glad that texas did not wait around for upteen years like utah and arizona.

[sheltiemom]

Originally posted by texski
also the utah authorities finally got off their butt and started looking for the evidence that had been there all the time. they also helped carolyn jessop in getting her divorce and her children s custody.
so maybe better late than never, but i am glad that texas did not wait around for upteen years like utah and arizona. [/*]

But why has Arizona and Utah not gone in and freed these young girls of this pedophlia??? All these years and generations of young giels brainwashed and violated. Also the culot has set up in other states as well - Seems like Idaho is one if I recall correctly.

I would like to see these raids carried out for all the young girls.

I do believe the elders have removed and hidden the girl who made the initial phone call. They had time before the raid got underway days after the call.

[texski]

we have all heard the old refrain, there has to be a reasonable charge that a judge will give you a warrant to go in someones home.
but i have read here many times that most of these people are on the federal and state dole. i surely wish the feds would go after them for welfare fraud. if the money is going to the church instead of the childrens care, that should be reasonable cause???
maybe 2 fbi agents going into the texas compound could be a possible.
walton has had many posts on the old jeffs board about the money trail of the utah, arizona group. as a single citizen she was able to trace some of their money trail. so maybe we can wake up the feds????????

[witchy1]

I was raised pentecostal and understand the CONTROL thing with these so called men. Tho we were not made to wed older men against our will, we were taught that we were to do w/o question what we were told to do.

[gorbal]

Reading the stories of those who have escaped in the past gives a great deal of insight. Here are a few.

The Two Fawns (http://www.childbrides.org/fawns.html)

Pam Black (http://www.childbrides.org/pam.html)

Laura Chapman (http://www.childbrides.org/laura.html)

[walton]

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/ Check out Brookes blog entry dated April 8, 2008

I still don't know how to blog. :o


She talks about the girls approaching a fence and waving to someone. And being watched by authorities.

Is the glass half full or is it half empty?

Some might see it as a bad thing. I see it as a good thing.

In the past I've seen pictures of many of the children running away from strangers. I've seen many pictures of those from the FLDS pull their shades so the "outsiders" can not see them.

I've seen pictures of many children left alone with no adults watching them.

I've seen pictures of children working the fields and young boys working on buildings high off the ground.

Since the Rescue in Texas- I've seen children playing on swings.
I've seen children leaning into a fence they can see over and wave to people they know.

Yeah, the kids are being watched. And I say it is about darn time. But the really cool thing is...... they now can watch and see us. What a new world for them.

:rose:

[GardenGirl]

Good post, Walton.
It will take a long time, but I am glad they aren't having to be a workforce now.
Wait till they see money!! Wait till they get to go to 7-11 and get a candy bar!!
Woo-Hoo!!
'Twill be difficult, but most definitely worth it.
Props to Texas for dealing with child abuse this way.

Well done, Lone Star State.

[Carol25]

What happened in court today? i was out and didn't get any news.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25
What happened in court today? i was out and didn't get any news. [/*]
The only thing I heard was that the judge that initially issued the warrant is also the judge hearing the arguments by FLDS lawyers today about why it was unconstitutional!

[wandering]

Nancy Grace had a segment on it tonight, and it was good. She repeats at 10PM.

Some of these children don't know who their biological mothers are. :eek: They are raised by all the women.

They are conditioned from birth, and have no idea what the real world is like.

They are going to need so much counseling.

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[dicee]

Originally posted by wandering
Nancy Grace had a segment on it tonight, and it was good. She repeats at 10PM.

Some of these children don't know who their biological mothers are. :eek: They are raised by all the women.

They are conditioned from birth, and have no idea what the real world is like.

They are going to need so much counseling.

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No different then kids in the outside world not knowing who their father is.

As for being raised by all the women,that means they still have a mother figure in their lives.How many kids don't have a father figure?

[dicee]

Originally posted by GardenGirl
Good post, Walton.
It will take a long time, but I am glad they aren't having to be a workforce now.
Wait till they see money!! Wait till they get to go to 7-11 and get a candy bar!!
Woo-Hoo!!
'Twill be difficult, but most definitely worth it.
Props to Texas for dealing with child abuse this way.

Well done, Lone Star State. [/*]


That's it...more kids getting fat from junk food.These kids are most likely physically fit(no candy,fast food,etc...)That will soon change once they get a "taste" of the outside world and take on our nasty habits.Some of these kids will now develop weight(followed by health)problems later in life.

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by dicee



That's it...more kids getting fat from junk food.These kids are most likely physically fit(no candy,fast food,etc...)That will soon change once they get a "taste" of the outside world and take on our nasty habits.Some of these kids will now develop weight(followed by health)problems later in life. [/*]

Let me see if I understand what your saying? You think that being locked away and being told who your going to marry stops all health problems?

I believe that every ADULT has a right to choose their own lifestyle, but I firmly believe that choosing your childs spouse at puburity and forcing that said child to consumate a marriage is not a choice but an illegal act.

Last I read, CPS was following the "church" directives with organic foods and no "Disneyesque" exposure.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by grammybear
Lers not forget about Elissa Wahl who went through so much not only as a young woman caught up in the evil acts of Warren Jeffs but for her bravery for standing up for her rights against Jeffs in a court of law.
I am in no way dimminishing anything that Carolyn Jessup has done but I also remember Elissa and the courage it took for her to go up against the big bad monster.

jmoo [/*]

:beer: i agree with you 100%

[Freebird]

Originally posted by LLaFren


Last I read, CPS was following the "church" directives with organic foods and no "Disneyesque" exposure. [/*]


It's nice to see the CPS following the church directives as the far as the kids' diets are concerned.I wonder,though,if future caregivers(if not their mothers)will do the same.If these kids were raised on organic foods,then that's what they should continue eating.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by dicee



That's it...more kids getting fat from junk food.These kids are most likely physically fit(no candy,fast food,etc...)That will soon change once they get a "taste" of the outside world and take on our nasty habits.Some of these kids will now develop weight(followed by health)problems later in life. [/*]


Kids born and raised in the "outside world" tend to have higher rates of obesity, diabetes,etc...then kids born and raised in religious sects(including Amish and Mennonite sects).I think that's cause of poorer diets,lack excersize(including lack of playing outside and working)and spending lots of time playing videogames and on computers.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Freebird



It's nice to see the CPS following the church directives as the far as the kids' diets are concerned.I wonder,though,if future caregivers(if not their mothers)will do the same.If these kids were raised on organic foods,then that's what they should continue eating. [/*]
If you're interviewing foster parents, don't you think that what they can eat would be a point of interest? What if your typical foster child is lactose intolerent...are they going to ignore that?

[texski]

many posters here have said that the mothers of these children apply for food stamps for them, claiming they are poverty stricken unwed mothers. there are rules as to what you can buy with food stamps and healthy food groups are most of the rules. if they are really using the stamps for the benefit of the children they should be used to a pretty normal american diet. or do all the stamps go to the unknown fathers

[Freebird]

Originally posted by texski
many posters here have said that the mothers of these children apply for food stamps for them, claiming they are poverty stricken unwed mothers. there are rules as to what you can buy with food stamps and healthy food groups are most of the rules. if they are really using the stamps for the benefit of the children they should be used to a pretty normal american diet. or do all the stamps go to the unknown fathers [/*]


I think an organic diet is about as healthy as you can get.I'm more concerned with people who spend their stamps on junk food and red meat rather then organic food.

As for where the stamps go,I suspect the fathers.

[johnielee333]

i just hope when or if these kids go into a foster home, that the foster parents do not abuse them. some foster parents do that.
these kids have been thru enough abuse. i pray for them.

:rose:

[Freebird]

Originally posted by johnielee333
i just hope when or if these kids go into a foster home, that the foster parents do not abuse them. some foster parents do that.
these kids have been thru enough abuse. i pray for them.

:rose: [/*]


I agree...

Some people seem to think just put them in foster care and they'll live happily ever after.But,with foster care having it's own problems,I don't agree with that.I've heard alot of horror stories about foster care.Also,I read on here that Texas doesn't even have enough foster homes for all these kids.

[Details]

Compared to where they came from, it'll be hard to be worse. They'll have to learn to deal with freedom, find out about all the lies they've been told. And while there are some bad foster homes that make the news, most are good, and we never hear a word about them.

But somehow, I can't quite wrap my head around being able to buy a candy bar, maybe even become obese being worse than a girl child being raped, a boy child being thrown out on the street.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by texski
many posters here have said that the mothers of these children apply for food stamps for them, claiming they are poverty stricken unwed mothers. there are rules as to what you can buy with food stamps and healthy food groups are most of the rules. if they are really using the stamps for the benefit of the children they should be used to a pretty normal american diet. or do all the stamps go to the unknown fathers [/*]

There is no way in this world that the YFZ women got food stamps AND stayed secluded in that compound. They would have to have gone to apply for them. Everything that I have read or heard from Sheriff Doran has been that the women & children did not ever go off the compound - only a few of the men ever did.

And in Texas, if you receive Temporary Aid to Needy Families - you must also either be in school, if you are a minor - or get into some sort of job training or work program.

Now how Arizona or Utah handle all of that, I surely don't know.

JMO

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Freebird



I agree...

Some people seem to think just put them in foster care and they'll live happily ever after.But,with foster care having it's own problems,I don't agree with that.I've heard alot of horror stories about foster care.Also,I read on here that Texas doesn't even have enough foster homes for all these kids. [/*]
Please quote site to back this up.

[LLaFren]

Originally posted by Mimi428


There is no way in this world that the YFZ women got food stamps AND stayed secluded in that compound. They would have to have gone to apply for them. Everything that I have read or heard from Sheriff Doran has been that the women & children did not ever go off the compound - only a few of the men ever did.

And in Texas, if you receive Temporary Aid to Needy Families - you must also either be in school, if you are a minor - or get into some sort of job training or work program.

Now how Arizona or Utah handle all of that, I surely don't know.

JMO [/*]

In Florida you can apply for benefits from the comfort of a home computer....

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by dicee



That's it...more kids getting fat from junk food.These kids are most likely physically fit(no candy,fast food,etc...)That will soon change once they get a "taste" of the outside world and take on our nasty habits.Some of these kids will now develop weight(followed by health)problems later in life. [/*]

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I guess having a baby a year for the rest of your reproductive life is healthier than eating a McDonald's fry and a cheeseburger?????? Being repeatedly raped is healthy??

[wandering]

Most of the children are girls. Where are the little boys? :chicken:

They brought in children under the age of six from other locations, without their parents. The "most obedient."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24073068/

[zone]

Originally posted by johnielee333
i just hope when or if these kids go into a foster home, that the foster parents do not abuse them. some foster parents do that.
these kids have been thru enough abuse. i pray for them.

:rose: [/*]

ITA :beer:

If only foster care "veterans" could tell these kids what might lie ahead for them.

[johnielee333]

Originally posted by Texanne
It would probably be better if they could keep them housed in one setting. They are used to a group setting, and would be okay with that. If that is not possible, then I would like to see them housed where there are truly strong Christian values so they can see that they can worship God without being subject to abuse, rape, etc. To place them in a totally different values system would be too much of a shock. [/*]

i agree

[wandering]

Originally posted by Texanne
It would probably be better if they could keep them housed in one setting. They are used to a group setting, and would be okay with that. If that is not possible, then I would like to see them housed where there are truly strong Christian values so they can see that they can worship God without being subject to abuse, rape, etc. To place them in a totally different values system would be too much of a shock. [/*]It was reported on CNN that they are trying to keep the various groups together. Sorry, I don't have a link for that.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Texanne
It would probably be better if they could keep them housed in one setting. They are used to a group setting, and would be okay with that. If that is not possible, then I would like to see them housed where there are truly strong Christian values so they can see that they can worship God without being subject to abuse, rape, etc. To place them in a totally different values system would be too much of a shock. [/*]
I thought about his a while and I'm not sure if I agree with you. In a group, fear and ignorance feed upon themselves. If they continue to be surrounded with the beliefs they have grown up with, will they have the opportunity to see that their beliefs are wrong? If they have the opportunity to live with stable Christian families, they have a better chance of seeing and experiencing the real outside world and finding it is just not the Satan they have been told.
If two cult members could share the experiences of everyday life, education and love within the home, wouldn't it be better than being in the midst of 100 other people you know who are afraid, mourning and in anguish? Each month, these people could meet with their friends and talk of their experiences, feelings and thoughts, letting them know they will never be cut off from family members and friends.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by Texanne
It would probably be better if they could keep them housed in one setting. They are used to a group setting, and would be okay with that. If that is not possible, then I would like to see them housed where there are truly strong Christian values so they can see that they can worship God without being subject to abuse, rape, etc. To place them in a totally different values system would be too much of a shock. [/*]


ITA

[Details]

Yeah, I'm also not sure about the group thing - we need to help them adapt to the real world, deprogram them, remove the brainwashing - together they'll feel like they're still in the cult.

[juliekan]

This link for FLDS womens "costume" and how their dress/hair affects them
www.sltrib.com//ci_8908641?IADID

[dsmith]

I think this is very obvious as to the emotional impact on all involved here. You may learn to live with what you have suffered, but you can never run far enough away from it for it to leave you. It will always come back to haunt you at the most important times in your life or when you are feeling safe. Years of therapy ahead for all that will choose to leave and for those that stay, it will just be their way of life.

[walton]

Originally posted by dsmith
I think this is very obvious as to the emotional impact on all involved here. You may learn to live with what you have suffered, but you can never run far enough away from it for it to leave you. It will always come back to haunt you at the most important times in your life or when you are feeling safe. Years of therapy ahead for all that will choose to leave and for those that stay, it will just be their way of life. [/*]

dsmith I think you have just reached into the mind of many people.

[dsmith]

Originally posted by walton


dsmith I think you have just reached into the mind of many people. [/*]

I guess this is just my take on things so far. Some might be offended by this "raid" others will see it as a blessing. No matter what side of the fence you are on, you must realize one thing and one thing only. When you are a child and have no voice of your own, in other words to be heard and listened to, someone to protect you and make you safe, you will live and do as the older people tell you. Even if you know that it does not feel right, scares you and terrifies you, you will do as you are told. Some believe in God others do not. Some have their God and others have theirs. Nothing is wrong with that. You can not do to these children, who will grow into adults, what you want. Somethings are against Gods laws. No matter how you preach it, it is still wrong.

[Freebird]

Originally posted by Details
Yeah, I'm also not sure about the group thing - we need to help them adapt to the real world, deprogram them, remove the brainwashing - together they'll feel like they're still in the cult. [/*]


If we're going to tell them to adapt to the real world,then why not do the same with the Amish?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Freebird



If we're going to tell them to adapt to the real world,then why not do the same with the Amish? [/*]
Are the Amish impregnating girls at the time of puberty? Are they committing incest?

[juliekan]

I don't necessarily think everyone has to be mainstream america. My sister lives in a smaller town (100,000 ?) that has 3 religious based colleges. Most of the town are very religion based people. This would be easier for the FLDS people to re-acclimate to society, and the schools would be very accommodating.
BTW...she lives within 100 miles from the Eldorado compound.:)