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[Babes]

Good Morning

Let me start the thread with a question :

What if Christina Laurean is just an employee at Wal Mart or Target and is not a member of any US Military = Do you think - she is still going to be considered as a cooperating witness here?

Thanks for your opinions.

[Kel65]

Just saw this on JD News forum. It sounds like this person knows CSL.



http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55820___article.html/lauterbach_wanted.html

[crymeariver2006]

If they do know Christina, they only know what she has told them.

And stayed up all night? I thought she told police that "she woke to find her husband gone"?

"Working through" the cheating? Again, they only know what she has chosen to tell them.

I have posted that I never saw any paint on the Lowe's video, and I believe that the living room and hallway were painted prior to any of this. Which would mean that the photo of the friend/neighbor and his g/f was taken in the Laurean hallway.

JMO and all that.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
If they do know Christina, they only know what she has told them.

And stayed up all night? I thought she told police that "she woke to find her husband gone"?

"Working through" the cheating? Again, they only know what she has chosen to tell them.

I have posted that I never saw any paint on the Lowe's video, and I believe that the living room and hallway were painted prior to any of this. Which would mean that the photo of the friend/neighbor and his g/f was taken in the Laurean hallway.

JMO and all that. [/*]

I think based on pictures the Laurean's hallway didn't appear to be painted. I'll have to go back and relook at Nuttin's photo album. JMO

ETA- It does not oappear that the Laurean hallway was painted when LE took the photos of the murder site. The picture of the neighbors was likely taken during the USMC Ball timeframe, which is early to mid November, which is pre murder. JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Kel65


I think based on pictures the Laurean's hallway didn't appear to be painted. I'll have to go back and relook at Nuttin's photo album. JMO

ETA- It does not oappear that the Laurean hallway was painted when LE took the photos of the murder site. The picture of the neighbors was likely taken during the USMC Ball timeframe, which is early to mid November, which is pre murder. JMO [/*]

You may be right, I was thinking that the hallway was the lower left portion of the picture

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_livingroom.jpg

But it could be the all white area on the other side.

We still don't know when the painting began though. Or if it was being repainted white. The doorways in the neighbor photo do tend to match gp's rendition of the floor plan.

JMO and all that.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You may be right, I was thinking that the hallway was the lower left portion of the picture

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_livingroom.jpg

But it could be the all white area on the other side.

We still don't know when the painting began though. Or if it was being repainted white. The doorways in the neighbor photo do tend to match gp's rendition of the floor plan.

JMO and all that. [/*]

Another reason, I don't think that the picture of the neighbors was taken at the Laurean's is that there were additional pictures on the neighbor's MS that showed the same color paint at what looks like a gathering at the neighbor's house. I think Nuttin's photobucket may show one of those pictures, the one with a bunch of females in a room with that adobe brown paint. The Laurean's didn't readility appear in any of those pictures (or I didn't recognize them), so there is a probability they weren't at the gathering. This is purely my speculation, but I still tend to believe that the neighbors had left over paint and offered it to the Laurean's (at least enough to get started). It could have been pre or post murder? The paint just seems to be yet another one of those parts of the case that just seems to be conincidential and convenient. All JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree on that kel, convenient and coincidental too. ;)

[caejde]

Morning, I'm trying to catch up. I didn't get the whole BJU thing last night. What is it's relevance???

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde
Morning, I'm trying to catch up. I didn't get the whole BJU thing last night. What is it's relevance??? [/*]

Good morning.

That remains a mystery caejde. JMO.:shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Ok....so now we are back to she was not sleeping all night which means she was up when he left or she was sleeping and didn't find the notes until she woke up?:shrug:

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Ok....so now we are back to she was not sleeping all night which means she was up when he left or she was sleeping and didn't find the notes until she woke up?:shrug:

imoo [/*]

More re-writing of history?

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder if that picture is the only new one AMW will show tonight or if there are other composites they've done?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


More re-writing of history?

:shrug: [/*]

Wasn't it Christina's family that said she found him writing notes and CSL was trying to get him to turn himself in?

Must be one of her family members, imo.

imoo

[Charlotte]

I don't know what the BJU thing was meant to be about, but it doesn't seem that much of anything was actually said. Some people do have strong opinions on BJU. I'm not fond of the place, from what I've read of it, myself. Though I don't see what anyone's graduating or attending there has to do with this case, so I'm with you on not understanding the point of it.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Kel65


Another reason, I don't think that the picture of the neighbors was taken at the Laurean's is that there were additional pictures [/*]

Yes, but there is that big bucket of what somebody said was white paint in the garage.

They must have had gallons of leftover brown paint to have enough to paint the dining room, living room....

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yes, but there is that big bucket of what somebody said was white paint in the garage.

They must have had gallons of leftover brown paint to have enough to paint the dining room, living room....

:shrug: [/*]

I'd have to agree with that cryme if indeed it was leftover. JMO.

[Kel65]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yes, but there is that big bucket of what somebody said was white paint in the garage.

They must have had gallons of leftover brown paint to have enough to paint the dining room, living room....

:shrug: [/*][/QUOTE

I can attest that having a lot of extra paint can happen. When we painted our house, we totally overestimated what we needed in this certain color of green. We had several friends that really liked the color, so we gave the left overs to more than one friend.

Also, I don't think that they gave them enough brown adobe to paint the entire living room/dining room, but probably enough to get started.

Maybe the white was for the ceilings?

Just my speculation.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I thought I recognized your profile. JMO.;)

I wonder if that picture is the only new one AMW will show tonight or if there are other composites they've done? [/*]

I think it's mighty coinkydinky that right after we post questions to CS about the beard, dressing like a woman, etc then the FBI comes out with the new pic.

Almost like when posters told Greta about the tatoos and then the FBI updated their wanted poster.

I hope that AMW would have one of those artists on there that does a better job of showing what Cesar *might* look like today. That "Wooly Willy" photo is just......amateurish (for lack of a better word.)

[Kel65]

I hope the AMW has some more what he might look like now photos too. I don't think the one that was posted yesterday is adding any value to getting Cesar captured. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
[QUOTE]

I can attest that having a lot of extra paint can happen. When we painted our house, we totally overestimated what we needed in this certain color of green. We had several friends that really liked the color, so we gave the left overs to more than one friend.

Also, I don't think that they gave them enough brown adobe to paint the entire living room/dining room, but probably enough to get started.

Maybe the white was for the ceilings?

Just my speculation. [/*]

I can believe that to be very likely Kel. I think we did buy a huge tub of white for that last time we painted. JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I think it's mighty coinkydinky that right after we post questions to CS about the beard, dressing like a woman, etc then the FBI comes out with the new pic.

Almost like when posters told Greta about the tatoos and then the FBI updated their wanted poster.

I hope that AMW would have one of those artists on there that does a better job of showing what Cesar *might* look like today. That "Wooly Willy" photo is just......amateurish (for lack of a better word.) [/*]

It did give the appearance of being haphazardly put together just to turn something in, didn't it? :( JMO tho.

I was hoping for some different pics UNLESS they know him to be sporting the beard now.

JMO.:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Kel65


I hope the AMW has some more what he might look like now photos too. I don't think the one that was posted yesterday is adding any value to getting Cesar captured. JMO [/*]

Absolutely ditto.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Yes, but there is that big bucket of what somebody said was white paint in the garage.

They must have had gallons of leftover brown paint to have enough to paint the dining room, living room....

:shrug: [/*]

If it came from their friends across the street....what walls did the friends paint this brownish color? If it was the living room, foyer, dining room area etc. I don't think the Laureans would want to mimic where their friends had used it in their home.:shrug:

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


If it came from their friends across the street....what walls did the friends paint this brownish color? If it was the living room, foyer, dining room area etc. I don't think the Laureans would want to mimic where their friends had used it in their home.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

I guess it would depend on where the money situation was at the time GB. I really don't know.

I wonder if CW might put a note up at the top of the forum for those who just peek in from time to time advising of the AMW episode tonight?

Do you think people pretty much look at the thread in general or no?

jmo

[martha]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE I wish we could get the news that cl was caught today. wishful thinking on my part I guess. I had to go to bed early last night so i missed a lot of the post but hope i can be on more today. reading have a very good day everyone. :rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I guess it would depend on where the money situation was at the time GB. I really don't know.

I wonder if CW might put a note up at the top of the forum for those who just peek in from time to time advising of the AMW episode tonight?

Do you think people pretty much look at the thread in general or no?

jmo [/*] I T A sometimes the money has a lot to do with what young people do. when I was frist married i would have taken paint that maybe i did not like to keep from having to buy it lol money was short back then. GOD has taken care of me so money would not be the prom now!! my children or grown now but I am still helping them with the money lol I have one grandson i have put thru Millsaps college and 3 more that i am helping now. i am so thankful i can help. it makes me feel very good.:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I guess it would depend on where the money situation was at the time GB. I really don't know.

I wonder if CW might put a note up at the top of the forum for those who just peek in from time to time advising of the AMW episode tonight?

Do you think people pretty much look at the thread in general or no?

jmo [/*]

I think it would be nice to have a AMW thread but of course that would be up to CW. That way we can go to that particular thread when wanting to gather information that was shown tonight. I will not be able to watch it...so having a thread for it will certainly help me rather than going through the daily thread.

imoo:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martha
I T A sometimes the money has a lot to do with what young QUOTE]

And you should feel very good about it, Martha!:rose:

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by martha
I T A sometimes the money has a lot to do with what young QUOTE]

You are a gem martha and I think young people do have it hard moneywise these days.

When we hear of our military needing food stamps at the early stages of their careers, I cringe and pray for a better tomorrow.

I'd say anything is possible referencing the paint, but wish someone would get an interview with friends if possible. Then we might have a few more questions answered.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think it would be nice to have a AMW thread but of course that would be up to CW. That way we can go to that particular thread when wanting to gather information that was shown tonight. I will not be able to watch it...so having a thread for it will certainly help me rather than going through the daily thread.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

I think it might be a good idea too, but if that doesn't come to fruition, we can't forget to get the episode logged into the links thread. :seeya:

[donna]

Good morning, everyone!


Also, I am one who feels Christina is involved in some way. I have not wavered from that stance. However, I DO believe in due process so as to not compromise the case. I would not want Christina to be prematurely charged at all. I do not want anyone involved in this murder to get off on a technicality. I am all for the justice system taking it's course. I do not believe that LE will charge someone with something they cannot prove. That could change at any time.

[martha]

We have the best of the best on this board. posters or great.sometimes i think people or misunderstood here but all in all it is great post. :rose:

[martha]

ITA it is a very sad case I just know that killing is not the way out of anything. i just can;t get it of my mind. we just don;t have the truth about any of it and it is hard to guess what was going on. I think it is a fact a marine and her baby was killed and no reason for that to happen. may they catch cl today:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
If they do know Christina, they only know what she has told them.

And stayed up all night? I thought she told police that "she woke to find her husband gone"?

"Working through" the cheating? Again, they only know what she has chosen to tell them.

I have posted that I never saw any paint on the Lowe's video, and I believe that the living room and hallway were painted prior to any of this. Which would mean that the photo of the friend/neighbor and his g/f was taken in the Laurean hallway.

JMO and all that. [/*]

I think it is someone just trying to yank someone's chain. In the affidavit it said she said Laurean denied having sex with Maria or that the child wasnt his.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

I am hoping AMW does get CAL! It's time for him to come back and eat a few meals in the OCSD jail!

jmo

[donna]

Hi, nuttin!

Still morning here in the central time zone!

I so agree with you about CAL! Maybe the AMW airing will bring out some good tips! .

And over the top is putting it mildly!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Oh please.

And did you see the part about those working posting here while at work? :D backatcha! [/*]

:lol: You don't say.

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:lol: You don't say. [/*]

:D

[Squawk Box]

I am surprised at how many good posters have left here. :(

[Babes]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Why would it matter where she is employed?

As long as she continues to to supply LLE with information on this case she will continue to be a "cooperating witness". [/*]

IMO there are so many data from google tha placed ordinary people in Jail for helping a murderer escaped - See for yourself. Her place of employment doesnt matter but my main whole point is - what if she's not in the military

Did she really provided LE he right informations? No wonder Cesar was able to reach Mexico because of her "great" informations despite of the FBI, LE and god knows who else are looking for him . She provided informations very late as well tsk tsk tsk ...And i really think she's feeding WRONG informations IMO -

Why is LE not charging her? IMO The captain brought Greta and her crew illegally to the house ( Christina as a part owner - should give them permission first ) - Now the captain has to call her "cooperating witness" or else he's also in trouble IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Babes



lol thanks for the link - another bad case for christina - PERJURY - Isnt she said she was sleeping and when she woke up she found notes?

Thanks for this poster who just proved the points of many posters here that Xtina is lying IMO. [/*]

How did that poster "prove" anything at all when we don't know who she is or even if she in fact knows Christina?

:confused:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Something is going on very strange, that is for sure. MANY posters are missing. And, I have noticed posts being deleted. It's all very odd to me. I don't know what happened but it's truly a mystery. And one kept underwraps, at least it seems to me as no one is talking about it. Unless the posts are deleted before I see them, that could be. :lol: [/*]

I'm still here. Have not had a chance to read the threads to catch up, but will do that thie afternoon/evening.

We've had a couple of very stressful days as a family and just getting back here.

Hope everyone is well and that we have not lost our good posters.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Babes


IMO there are so many data from google tha placed ordinary people in Jail for helping a murderer escaped - See for yourself. Her place of employment doesn't matter but my main whole point is - what if she's not in the military

Did she really provided LE he right informations? No wonder Cesar was able to reach Mexico because of her "great" informations despite of the FBI, LE and god knows who else are looking for him . She provided informations very late as well tsk tsk tsk ...And i really think she's feeding WRONG informations IMO -

Why is LE not charging her? IMO The captain brought Greta and her crew illegally to the house ( Christina as a part owner - should give them permission first ) - Now the captain has to call her "cooperating witness" or else he's also in trouble IMO [/*]

I truly think the OCSD has the gut feeling all is not as it seems. I have seen detectives talk of it for years now on cold case shows. In their gut they suspected this person or that person was the murderer all along but they just didn't have the evidence needed to prove it BARD at trial they thought.

I did think that one of the posts over on JDNews made sense. They said for now they are saying she is a cooperating witness because if they close in on her they know she, by law, has a right NOT to testify against her husband according to NC law and they can't compel her to do so. They also know there absolutely is no rush due to the unfortunate circumstances put into play by CL and CSL when she gave him ample time to be far ahead.

Once he is brought back though I think we will see a change.

imoo

[Babes]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


How did that poster "prove" anything at all when we don't know who she is or even if she in fact knows Christina?

:confused: [/*]

ERRR didnt that poster said Christina didnt even sleep that night when Chrisina told LE that she's sleeping and woke up that he's not there anymore?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


How did that poster "prove" anything at all when we don't know who she is or even if she in fact knows Christina?

:confused: [/*]

I think Captain Sutherland most likely is trying to find out who that poster was as their story and CSL is not consistent.

I am sure he would like to know if this is what CSL told this person and why it differs from the SW statements about her finding the notes after he had gone. From what iirc she said she awoke and found them then.

imoo

[Babes]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I truly think the OCSD has the gut feeling all is not as it seems. I have seen detectives talk of it for years now on cold case shows. In their gut they suspected this person or that person was the murderer all along but they just didn't have the evidence needed to prove it BARD at trial they thought.

I did think that one of the posts over on JDNews made sense. They said for now they are saying she is a cooperating witness because if they close in on her they know she, by law, has a right NOT to testify against her husband according to NC law and they can't compel her to do so. They also know there absolutely is no rush due to the unfortunate circumstances put into play by CL and CSL when she gave him ample time to be far ahead.

Once he is brought back though I think we will see a change.

imoo [/*]


Thanks ocean for your input.

Is the dead body on her backyard not enough evidence to suspect her as an accessor to this crime? There is an obvious motives why she could be part of it specially if people witnessed that she even called Maria a ****TCH recently . I have a feeling that when LE charge her then we will hear more to this story and that could even lead to the arrest of Cesar.

[Babes]

Yaiks - i think i will need to clean the keyboard of this laptop first as some of the letters isnt coming up already :D

[Babes]

Ooopps O/T - When i posted this morning around 1 am here in California - Ive'd seen a new thread for "Scot Peterson" - no post and the thread was locked. Any ideas why coldwater added that peterson thread and now it looks like it vanished

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Babes



Thanks ocean for your input.

Is the dead body on her backyard not enough evidence to suspect her as an accessor to this crime? There is an obvious motives why she could be part of it specially if people witnessed that she even called Maria a ****TCH recently . I have a feeling that when LE charge her then we will hear more to this story and that could even lead to the arrest of Cesar. [/*]

Because LE knows much more about the case then we do. jmo

RS has already said if they had probable cause to charge Christina they would charge her. imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


ERRR didnt that poster said Christina didnt even sleep that night when Chrisina told LE that she's sleeping and woke up that he's not there anymore? [/*]

Babes, I am counting on LE having her conversations with them in order when Cesar is finally apprehended. I think there's going be a real fight to come out on top before all is said and done, especially IF he is caught in the USA. JMO tho.

IF they got to his resources for money, he has to be getting nervous now. JMO.:shrug:

I don't believe she isn't under arrest because of anyone letting Fox on the property, rather I believe what CS has posted before about the difference between believing you know something and having the goods to do something about it. JMO again.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Because LE knows much more about the case then we do. jmo

RS has already said if they had probable cause to charge Christina they would charge her. imo [/*]

Yeah they know more than we do - based on what Christina's story?
And that's why Cesar was able to do a "great escape" IMO

[Babes]

Originally posted by Coldwater
The JD News site is copyrighted so you can only use the link, no posts.

If you have complaints about them post it there or use your PM's, we have never condoned the bashing of another site or their posters on our boards. It also is off topic.

Thank you for your cooperation.



For the poster who questioned the Scott Peterson Thread, why not just PM me as I'm the only one who would know. It was closed due to length and moved to the ARCHIVE forums. If someone wants to start a new thread they can. [/*]

Thanks coldwater :)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Babes



Thanks ocean for your input.

Is the dead body on her backyard not enough evidence to suspect her as an accessor to this crime? There is an obvious motives why she could be part of it specially if people witnessed that she even called Maria a ****TCH recently . I have a feeling that when LE charge her then we will hear more to this story and that could even lead to the arrest of Cesar. [/*]

Actually no a dead body in her backyard is not enough. They need real, concrete evidence that she is involved. Which they apparently do not have. And as far as calling Maria the "*" word, I still say that's quite a leap to murder.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


I'm still here. Have not had a chance to read the threads to catch up, but will do that thie afternoon/evening.

We've had a couple of very stressful days as a family and just getting back here.

Hope everyone is well and that we have not lost our good posters. [/*]

I hope all is okay now. Good to see you back. It's really been slow on here.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Babes


Yeah they know more than we do - based on what Christina's story?
And that's why Cesar was able to do a "great escape" IMO [/*]

Based on their investigation. imo

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Babes, I am counting on LE having her conversations with them in order when Cesar is finally apprehended. I think there's going be a real fight to come out on top before all is said and done, especially IF he is caught in the USA. JMO tho.

IF they got to his resources for money, he has to be getting nervous now. JMO.:shrug:

I don't believe she isn't under arrest because of anyone letting Fox on the property, rather I believe what CS has posted before about the difference between believing you know something and having the goods to do something about it. JMO again. [/*]

Hi Candykisses

Tomorrow's my flight to Amsterdam so am going to be out of he board again - but i am hoping they have wifi there as i am planning to bring my laptop :seeya:

I think Cesar or someone who could be helping him is smart enough to know not to make any contact with her. I do really think those letters/notes tha Christina received are all part of the plan to excuse Christina from this and make his escape to Mexico better.These letters from houston was possibly done on the night before he escaped and they already made plans that they will mail it out to Christina like "hours" or "days" he left the area so that they can misled LE on his exact whereabouts.

IMO They needed to pressure Christina by charging her something the law will allow and maybe we can hear more from this. I am afraid that with the given time- i dont know if Cesar is actually even alive at this point of time or if they can still find him

[Babes]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Actually no a dead body in her backyard is not enough. They need real, concrete evidence that she is involved. Which they apparently do not have. And as far as calling Maria the "*" word, I still say that's quite a leap to murder. [/*]

Possibly not enough to convict her but enough to make her as a suspect and not a cooperating witness IMO.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Based on their investigation. imo [/*]

I hope that "investigation" will serve justice to Maria's family :) :)

[Babes]

How come we arent hearing anything from Blanca , Elvira or Salvador Laurean?

[CANDYKISSES]

Be safe in your travels Babes and I hope you can check in here too. Maybe we'll actually have good news on a capture. I'm not ready to give up on Cesar being alive and I believe the letters were part of a cooked up plan too. I think she probably knows the general area he is in or at least she did.

Time will tell and I do think they will turn on each other when the time finally comes theorizing her involvement before the January date here.

JMO. :read:

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Be safe in your travels Babes and I hope you can check in here too. Maybe we'll actually have good news on a capture. I'm not ready to give up on Cesar being alive and I believe the letters were part of a cooked up plan too. I think she probably knows the general area he is in or at least she did.

Time will tell and I do think they will turn on each other when the time finally comes theorizing her involvement before the January date here.

JMO. :read: [/*]

Thanks Candy

I do believe also that "people" are helping them. IMO. They arent alone on this - The guy on the ATM wihdrawing Maria's money is not Cesar ( based on the tattoo ). I hope LE will not concentrate on Cesar alone on this - They need to get around Cesar and his wife circle to possibly find some answers.

:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


Thanks Candy

I do believe also that "people" are helping them. IMO. They arent alone on this - The guy on the ATM wihdrawing Maria's money is not Cesar ( based on the tattoo ). I hope LE will not concentrate on Cesar alone on this - They need to get around Cesar and his wife circle to possibly find some answers.

:seeya: [/*]

I think a good start might be following the paint. But of course that is JMO. I am wondering what the friends are thinking now. :seeya:

Take in all the lovely sites and share some pics on your return. :rose:

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think a good start might be following the paint. But of course that is JMO. I am wondering what the friends are thinking now. :seeya:

Take in all the lovely sites and share some pics on your return. :rose: [/*]

I would like to hear from Cesar's sister, mother or father if Cesar confided with them about his story on this.

I'd like to know if liquor was served on the christmas party that Christina attended. And if yes, did Christina consume any liquor before going home? How many times did she try to contact Cesar and asked him to go to the party?

And yes- i'd like to hear from their friends specially friends who attended their BBQ party

:seeya:

[Babes]

Thanks for the chat Candy and all,

I gotta go pack now :seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Babes
How come we arent hearing anything from Blanca , Elvira or Salvador Laurean? [/*]
IMO it's because they know where he is and that he's safe.

O/T: Posted before I left this morning, came back and it was gone :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Babes
How come we arent hearing anything from Blanca , Elvira or Salvador Laurean? [/*]

What do you want to hear from them? Do you expect that they should hold a press conference? Why would they do that?

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by IvySterling

IMO it's because they know where he is and that he's safe.

O/T: Posted before I left this morning, came back and it was gone :shrug: [/*]

You can't post posts from other boards here.:shrug:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


You can't post posts from other boards here.:shrug: [/*]
I don't understand, I only posted that I had an appt. and would check back now and then.

Maybe someone replied to my post with something they shouldn't dunno???????????

[CANDYKISSES]

FOX UPDATE on CESAR with the AMW reporter coming up next.

:)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
FOX UPDATE on CESAR with the AMW reporter coming up next.
:) [/*]
Thanks CK, hope you let those of us who can't watch it know if anything new is said.

TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thanks CK, hope you let those of us who can't watch it know if anything new is said.

TIA [/*]

Yes, just waiting....coming up now....one more commercial.:D

ETA, When hubby saw the new pic up on fox, he said the same thing some of us did yesterday. OMG, looks like that game we used to play as kids.

:o

[SavannahStar]

Candy is it FOX news or the regular FOX channel? On our regular channel I get a baseball game.

[CANDYKISSES]

FOX NEWS...Over a hundred tips last airing. They say they know for sure he was in Mexico in January.

JMO

They still think he is in Mexico and are hoping he will slip in and out of the USA and get caught. Not much of anything really.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Babes



Thanks ocean for your input.

Is the dead body on her backyard not enough evidence to suspect her as an accessors to this crime? There is an obvious motives why she could be part of it specially if people witnessed that she even called Maria a ****TCH recently . I have a feeling that when LE charge her then we will hear more to this story and that could even lead to the arrest of Cesar. [/*]

YW, Babes...sorry went to laydown....cold/flu or whatever this thing I have has come back on again.

No but it is a start and a strong start and piece of circumstantial evidence. I do think they have many circumstantial facts that plague them.

But as I said we really don't know the case. If they aren't finding any specific forensic evidence directly tying HIM to the crime of murder then that means the crux of their case will depend on CSLs testimony. Like the trial Friday on TruTV where the little boy testified against his mother.

What I do believe is going to happen if he is brought back and there is a trial all the things you mentioned above will be brought out front and center by his defense attorney and much more than we are aware of now imo. I do agree and I do think it can be logically looked at where either one had just as much motive to kill Maria as the other one..maybe even more vengeance and vendetta seething within CSL. It will not be some far-fetched tale for a reasonable jury to have to swallow ..it is understandable imo. Christina's involvement has been thought about by countless of people from the day this all began to be exposed.

Personally, I think Hudson acted too quickly when rushing to the GJ with the charges including the stack on charges. At that time he said things do not add up in this case......now he has grown silent. I think he should have waited until everything made sense and he was sure...........now his reputation is out there and he needs CSL to make sure he has a key witness in this case. So they will either decide to charge her knowing if they offer her a plea it will incite the Onslow citizens or he will know without her he doesn't have a solid case against Laurean and will do a plea with her once trial is closer.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Babes


I would like to hear from Cesar's sister, mother or father if Cesar confided with them about his story on this.

I'd like to know if liquor was served on the christmas party that Christina attended. And if yes, did Christina consume any liquor before going home? How many times did she try to contact Cesar and asked him to go to the party?

And yes- i'd like to hear from their friends specially friends who attended their BBQ party

:seeya: [/*]

I certainly think they knew a lot and a lot of it may shock us as to what they knew in detail........what had been being done...and how well they knew the entire relationship concerning ML and CL.

I want to know what the family member meant when the reporter called the Laurean home (parents) and they said "you do not know the entire story":eek:


imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I don't understand, I only posted that I had an appt. and would check back now and then.

Maybe someone replied to my post with something they shouldn't dunno??????????? [/*]

Maybe OT. The only way you will know is to pm Coldwater and ask.:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Maybe OT. The only way you will know is to pm Coldwater and ask.:shrug: [/*]

I've given up wondering. I've had posts disappear and I've seen others posts disappear. And they were not O/T nor against any copyright. So.....methinks something mysterious is going on. I don't have a clue though. And I think it's related to MANY posters gone missing. Even since last night and the past couple of days.

I don't think I've been on any crime board on here, IS or CTV, where there was so much "odd" goings on.

(Now watch my post disappear. :lol: )

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Maybe OT. The only way you will know is to pm Coldwater and ask.:shrug: [/*]
No, not worth bothering her over a simple single post I made just to let others know I wasn't among the missing :)

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I certainly think they knew a lot and a lot of it may shock us as to what they knew in detail........what had been being done...and how well they knew the entire relationship concerning ML and CL.

I want to know what the family member meant when the reporter called the Laurean home (parents) and they said "you do not know the entire story":eek:


imoo [/*]

I'd like to know that as well GB. Too bad the reporter could't get anymore out of whomever answered the phone. Hope you're feeling a bit better this afternoon.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nelkirk


http://www.kinston.com/news/laurean_43811___article.html/lauterbach_told.html [/*]

Thanks.

I thought another article said "you dont know the entire story or whole story." Maybe I was wrong...... that was at the very beginning of the case.

imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I've given up wondering. I've had posts disappear and I've seen others posts disappear. And they were not O/T nor against any copyright. So.....methinks something mysterious is going on. I don't have a clue though. And I think it's related to MANY posters gone missing. Even since last night and the past couple of days.

I don't think I've been on any crime board on here, IS or CTV, where there was so much "odd" goings on.

(Now watch my post disappear. :lol: ) [/*]

:lol: I had a post or two go bye bye too. I haven't disappeared yet, but am careful of my comings and goings. :chicken:

[sunstar]

I just saw on Fox News a retouched photo of CL that the FBI has released. It shows him with a beard and they mentioned again LE believes he fled to his native Mexico. I'm hoping AMW shows this photo tonight.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nelkirk


http://www.kinston.com/news/laurean_43811___article.html/lauterbach_told.html [/*]

That's a confusing quote.

But at any rate I think it relates to a relationship of some sort between CL and Maria. IMO.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks.

I thought another article said "you dont know the entire story or whole story." Maybe I was wrong...... that was at the very beginning of the case.

imoo [/*]

Well, even if that was said it was true. We didn't know the entire story and still don't. jmo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by sunstar
I just saw on Fox News a retouched photo of CL that the FBI has released. It shows him with a beard and they mentioned again LE believes he fled to his native Mexico. I'm hoping AMW shows this photo tonight. [/*]
Thank you sunstar, Candy was good enough to tell us earlier in here.

Is this the photo you're referring to that was shown?
http://i32.tinypic.com/5p63q.jpg

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thank you sunstar, Candy was good enough to tell us earlier in here.

Is this the photo you're referring to that was shown?
http://i32.tinypic.com/5p63q.jpg [/*]
Yes it is! I'm sorry, I just didn't read back before posting but it is worth repeating. It actually surprised me when I heard about Maria's murder again! :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thank you sunstar, Candy was good enough to tell us earlier in here.

Is this the photo you're referring to that was shown?
http://i32.tinypic.com/5p63q.jpg [/*]

Really a child could have done this well. At 21 years old I don't think he is going to wear this heavy of a beard. Many times Mexicans do not have heavy thick mustaches and he may have a "feminine" area on the face where the beard does not grow well. I didn't notice a heavy shadow when he is clean shaved where it would be thick when grown out.

If he is sporting a mustache and beard I think he will have it defined very thin coming down from the sides of the mouth from the mustache and then possibly the beard running the jawbone line...(a little above and below)

By now I think his hair has grown down to at least touching his collar and is rather long on top and sides and it may be wavy if he has let it grow for three months. If he has completely straight hair then it is just a little below the collar line by now, imo.

Now he may not even be sporting a beard at all or mustache. lol

I just cant understand if they knew he was in Mexico in January why they cant get him and bring him back.:shrug:

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


-Respectfully Snipped-

I just cant understand if they knew he was in Mexico in January why they cant get him and bring him back.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

I guess they are basing the cousins story of him being there in Jan. Where was he in Feb and Mar? Hope AMW releases possible sighting locations.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Coldwater



A long post totally o/t that should have been directed to the posters in a PM - this is why they get deleted and then if you copy this and answer it you get deleted too.

Now do you understand???

This is not to say NO chat is allowed, it only stands to reason when a group gets together they will have something personal now and then but to make it a 'letter' or to continue a conversation that no one else is interested in will be deleted. [/*]

I sincerely apologise; there was discussion on the thread as to where the posters are, that was the reason I answered, I have not posted in a while.

The last thing I would want to do is create a problem for the board, so back to lurking for me!

Thank you for the clarification, Coldwater.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


I guess they are basing the cousins story of him being there in Jan. Where was he in Feb and Mar? Hope AMW releases possible sighting locations. [/*]

I guess. I sure wouldn't trust those sightings unless they have found uninterested others that have seen him there. His family would have an agenda to make it seem like he was in that area when he may not have been.

But all along they have come out as if they know where he is.........well what is the holdup? Just strange.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I guess. I sure wouldn't trust those sightings unless they have found uninterested others that have seen him there. His family would have an agenda to make it seem like he was in that area when he may not have been.

But all along they have come out as if they know where he is.........well what is the holdup? Just strange.

imoo [/*]

No kidding, what is the holdup? I realize the U.S. LE, FBI etc. just can't cross over and fetch him but if they know more or less where he is why aren't the Mexican LE grabbing him or why hasn't someone turned him in. Fustrating. Let's hope tonights show will make a difference.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


No kidding, what is the holdup? I realize the U.S. LE, FBI etc. just can't cross over and fetch him but if they know more or less where he is why aren't the Mexican LE grabbing him or why hasn't someone turned him in. Fustrating. Let's hope tonights show will make a difference. [/*]
I remember in another case were AMW posted dumb looking photos of a perp, they kept saying they thought he was in Southern CA and all along he was right in the same city in Nevada where the crime was committed, AND he looked nothing like their crappy photos they altered.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I remember in another case were AMW posted dumb looking photos of a perp, they kept saying they thought he was in Southern CA and all along he was right in the same city in Nevada where the crime was committed, AND he looked nothing like their crappy photos they altered. [/*]

That's not a good sign Ivy.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Really a child could have done this well. At 21 years old I don't think he is going to wear this heavy of a beard. Many times Mexicans do not have heavy thick mustaches and he may have a "feminine" area on the face where the beard does not grow well. I didn't notice a heavy shadow when he is clean shaved where it would be thick when grown out.

If he is sporting a mustache and beard I think he will have it defined very thin coming down from the sides of the mouth from the mustache and then possibly the beard running the jawbone line...(a little above and below)

By now I think his hair has grown down to at least touching his collar and is rather long on top and sides and it may be wavy if he has let it grow for three months. If he has completely straight hair then it is just a little below the collar line by now, imo.

Now he may not even be sporting a beard at all or mustache. lol

I just cant understand if they knew he was in Mexico in January why they cant get him and bring him back.:shrug:

imoo [/*]
Hi GB :seeya: I've got to agree with you about the beard. It seems too full for someone his age, "style-wise". I could picture him with a goatee or a scrungy beard that a lot of young guys have. Back to the photo though, it doesn't change his appearance that much. I also noticed his forehead has some marks on it, which I can't tell if it's acne or permanent discolorations. :shrug:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


That's not a good sign Ivy. [/*]
I know it's not strick, that's what bothers me.

I wish they'd find some casual photos of him with friends, etc. so everyone could see him as maybe they had seen him.

Did that make sense???

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I know it's not strick, that's what bothers me.

I wish they'd find some casual photos of him with friends, etc. so everyone could see him as maybe they had seen him.

Did that make sense??? [/*]
Or some photos of him before joining the Marines to see how he wore his hair, etc. What I do think will give him away is the weather in Mexico is hot, and he can't hide those tattoos unless he's had them removed.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


YW, Babes...sorry went to laydown....cold/flu or whatever this thing I have has come back on again.

No but it is a start and a strong start and piece of circumstantial evidence. I do think they have many circumstantial facts that plague them.

But as I said we really don't know the case. If they aren't finding any specific forensic evidence directly tying HIM to the crime of murder then that means the crux of their case will depend on CSLs testimony. Like the trial Friday on TruTV where the little boy testified against his mother.

What I do believe is going to happen if he is brought back and there is a trial all the things you mentioned above will be brought out front and center by his defense attorney and much more than we are aware of now imo. I do agree and I do think it can be logically looked at where either one had just as much motive to kill Maria as the other one..maybe even more vengeance and vendetta seething within CSL. It will not be some far-fetched tale for a reasonable jury to have to swallow ..it is understandable imo. Christina's involvement has been thought about by countless of people from the day this all began to be exposed.

Personally, I think Hudson acted too quickly when rushing to the GJ with the charges including the stack on charges. At that time he said things do not add up in this case......now he has grown silent. I think he should have waited until everything made sense and he was sure...........now his reputation is out there and he needs CSL to make sure he has a key witness in this case. So they will either decide to charge her knowing if they offer her a plea it will incite the Onslow citizens or he will know without her he doesn't have a solid case against Laurean and will do a plea with her once trial is closer.

imoo [/*]

The rush to the grand jury was because he took off, allegedly to Mexico. IMO, Mexico's not gonna waste time on an attempted bank card use. But he had to work fast (Hudson) only because the chance of catching him was higher in the early days as opposed to now.

Had he not left or been unable to leave, we would already have either his confession or at least his side of the story (which may or may not have included blaming Christina). All they've got now is what CSL says happened during a crime that she alleges she only found out about the day before.

I still believe that IF she is to be charged with anything, it won't be until Cesar is apprehended.

JMO and all that.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I know it's not strick, that's what bothers me.

I wish they'd find some casual photos of him with friends, etc. so everyone could see him as maybe they had seen him.

Did that make sense??? [/*]

Made perfect sense. Gosh I don't know if I would recognize him if doesn't like he looks in the pictures they released. I'm counting the minutes till AMW shows to see what they have to say.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi GB :seeya: I've got to agree with you about the beard. It seems too full for someone his age, "style-wise". I could picture him with a goatee or a scrungy beard that a lot of young guys have. Back to the photo though, it doesn't change his appearance that much. I also noticed his forehead has some marks on it, which I can't tell if it's acne or permanent discolorations. :shrug: [/*]

See I think maybe a goatee could change his looks the most especially if he grew the mustache joining it all together. The main thing that would change his facial looks is to disguise his chin line.

I just don't think he is walking around with all that thick heavy beard on. He has been a Marine since 2004 I think it would be very hard for him to wear something that looked sloppy and unkempt. JMO tho.

imoo:seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Or some photos of him before joining the Marines to see how he wore his hair, etc. What I do think will give him away is the weather in Mexico is hot, and he can't hide those tattoos unless he's had them removed. [/*]

I don't know sunstar. Those tats are the most identifying features on him. I think he'll go to great lengths to keep them covered even if it is hot.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


The rush to the grand jury was because he took off, allegedly to Mexico. IMO, Mexico's not gonna waste time on an attempted bank card use. But he had to work fast (Hudson) only because the chance of catching him was higher in the early days as opposed to now.

Had he not left or been unable to leave, we would already have either his confession or at least his side of the story (which may or may not have included blaming Christina). All they've got now is what CSL says happened during a crime that she alleges she only found out about the day before.

I still believe that IF she is to be charged with anything, it won't be until Cesar is apprehended.

JMO and all that. [/*]

I agree. If she is charged or if there is any plea offered it will not be until Laurean is back in Onslow County.

I do think LE really wants to hear his side of the story even though they know his lawyer will be there with him.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't know sunstar. Those tats are the most identifying features on him. I think he'll go to great lengths to keep them covered even if it is hot. [/*]

There are some very talented tattoo artist in Mexico. I don't think he will have them removed I think he will have the altered to look like something totally different. I have seen that done and you cant tell there was an old tattoo even there.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


See I think maybe a goatee could change his looks the most especially if he grew the mustache joining it all together. The main thing that would change his facial looks is to disguise his chin line.

I just don't think he is walking around with all that thick heavy beard on. He has been a Marine since 2004 I think it would be very hard for him to wear something that looked sloppy and unkempt. JMO tho.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

The 'beard' the FBI has used, IMO, makes him look more Arab-American instead of Hispanic. The majority of Hispanics I know do not have the tight curl type beard like the one they've put on CAL.

ITA if he's sporting facial hair it would most likely be a goatee. Not only to disguise his chin line but to also cover up the dimple or whatever it is in his chin area.

JMO

:seeya: Ocean---off to flip the channel back and forth between AMW and the *'ball game, LOL.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


There are some very talented tattoo artist in Mexico. I don't think he will have them removed I think he will have the altered to look like something totally different. I have seen that done and you cant tell there was an old tattoo even there.

imoo [/*]
Exactly GB, re-tatting is done everyday.

Contray to what some think, tattoos are not that easily removed and it's a long process which leaves tell-tale signs on the skin, and even some color.

[martha]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I certainly think they knew a lot and a lot of it may shock us as to what they knew in detail........what had been being done...and how well they knew the entire relationship concerning ML and CL.

I want to know what the family member meant when the reporter called the Laurean home (parents) and they said "you do not know the entire story":eek:


imoo [/*]ITA I think when we know the truth we or going to be shocked jmho:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Or some photos of him before joining the Marines to see how he wore his hair, etc. What I do think will give him away is the weather in Mexico is hot, and he can't hide those tattoos unless he's had them removed. [/*]

From what I can recall he looks about 16-17 in his passport picture. He wore his hair rather long like down at least to his collar and maybe below and it was fluffy and fuller.

Some of the pics we have seen was when he was a younger Marine........like when he and CSL married when he was 18.

We need to see an up to date photo taken shortly before he left. It should be the last update picture on his military ID card, maybe.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


The 'beard' the FBI has used, IMO, makes him look more Arab-American instead of Hispanic. The majority of Hispanics I know do not have the tight curl type beard like the one they've put on CAL.

ITA if he's sporting facial hair it would most likely be a goatee. Not only to disguise his chin line but to also cover up the dimple or whatever it is in his chin area.

JMO

:seeya: Ocean---off to flip the channel back and forth between AMW and the *'ball game, LOL. [/*]

Hi there Nuttin! Nice to see you on line.

If you get a chance will you come back in and update us when AMW is over? Thanks in advance.

That is exactly what I thought. The beard they have is foolish looking.

imoo:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi GB :seeya: I've got to agree with you about the beard. It seems too full for someone his age, "style-wise". I could picture him with a goatee or a scrungy beard that a lot of young guys have. Back to the photo though, it doesn't change his appearance that much. I also noticed his forehead has some marks on it, which I can't tell if it's acne or permanent discolorations. :shrug: [/*]
Yeah sun, he appears in other photos to have 'zits' on his forehead.

If he's let his hair grow out on top he may have the hair gel thing going on and looks completely different.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


There are some very talented tattoo artist in Mexico. I don't think he will have them removed I think he will have the altered to look like something totally different. I have seen that done and you cant tell there was an old tattoo even there.

imoo [/*]

That would probably be the easiest thing to do.

[gaelicpeas]

The AMW segment on Laurean is coming up right after this commercial - on Fox.

[gobucks]

Originally posted by sunstar

Or some photos of him before joining the Marines to see how he wore his hair, etc. What I do think will give him away is the weather in Mexico is hot, and he can't hide those tattoos unless he's had them removed. [/*]
.
Long time reader here and I thought I might throw in my two pennies worth. Living just 7 miles north of Mexico I can tell you it's not unusual for people to walk around in jeans, boots, and long sleeve shirts even in the hottest part of summer. I've even seen people on the beach dressed like that.

As far as facial hair goes, I'd guess a goatee. The five o'clock shadow look is also popular but more so among fresa's. I'd bet CL,. considering his family has money...if you own liquor stores, you've got money,probably is fresa. Hair has probably grown out and he may be wearing it piled up on top of his head. Imagine Ferris Bueller in the shower and that's the look that's popular among young fresa's in Mexico.

[GentleBreeze]

I thought ColdWater just put us up a thread where we could discuss the AMW show?

It was there now it is gone.:confused:

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gobucks

.
Long time reader here and I thought I might throw in my two pennies worth. Living just 7 miles north of Mexico I can tell you it's not unusual for people to walk around in jeans, boots, and long sleeve shirts even in the hottest part of summer. I've even seen people on the beach dressed like that.
~snipped [/*]
I agree with you, I'm also familiar with some parts of Mexico.

Also, it get no hotter where he is than where he lived during the summer while in Las Vegas.

[strick10]

Originally posted by gobucks

.
Long time reader here and I thought I might throw in my two pennies worth. Living just 7 miles north of Mexico I can tell you it's not unusual for people to walk around in jeans, boots, and long sleeve shirts even in the hottest part of summer. I've even seen people on the beach dressed like that.

As far as facial hair goes, I'd guess a goatee. The five o'clock shadow look is also popular but more so among fresa's. I'd bet CL,. considering his family has money...if you own liquor stores, you've got money,probably is fresa. Hair has probably grown out and he may be wearing it piled up on top of his head. Imagine Ferris Bueller in the shower and that's the look that's popular among young fresa's in Mexico. [/*]

What is a fresa? Is that a hip person?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't know sunstar. Those tats are the most identifying features on him. I think he'll go to great lengths to keep them covered even if it is hot. [/*]
That's what I meant ~ he'd have to try to hide them, even in hot weather. :)

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
I thought ColdWater just put us up a thread where we could discuss the AMW show?

It was there now it is gone.:confused:

imoo [/*]

Maybe it was just announcing the show? I just tried to watch it, too many interruptions so I didn't catch all of it. I'm curious if the note from Maria and the letter from CAL were the actual thing or just a sample.

[gobucks]

Originally posted by strick10


What is a fresa? Is that a hip person? [/*]

Literally means stawberry. They're upper middle class Mexicans. They're young, hip with some money to spend.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


The 'beard' the FBI has used, IMO, makes him look more Arab-American instead of Hispanic. The majority of Hispanics I know do not have the tight curl type beard like the one they've put on CAL.

ITA if he's sporting facial hair it would most likely be a goatee. Not only to disguise his chin line but to also cover up the dimple or whatever it is in his chin area.

JMO

:seeya: Ocean---off to flip the channel back and forth between AMW and the *'ball game, LOL. [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: That's what I thought of when I saw the photo, it looked like someone from the Middle East. I agree about the goatee, or maybe a beard that gives an unshaven look (I think you know what I mean).

Go Tar Heels! :D

[strick10]

Originally posted by gobucks


Literally means stawberry. They're upper middle class Mexicans. They're young, hip with some money to spend. [/*]

I knew it meant strawberry just wasn't sure how it fit into a particular class of people. Thank you for your answer I appreciate the clarification.

[nuttintodo]

Well this was basically a repeat of the other segment.

I did notice this time was the AMW reporter was holding the 'note' supposedly left by Maria. It may have been another piece of paper but she was reporting that Maria had left the note.

Ciccarelli did say to the reporter that Maria had prior UA absences (I don't know if he said that last time...I will have to go back and check the original airing).

Another thing I noticed was when Sutherland was with the reporter at the grave---he said it was an eerie feeling being there and you could still smell the charring (but this interview was done within a couple of days after Maria's recovery, before the grave was filled with dirt and the crime scene tape was still up).

Also when they showed some papers (I don't know if it was a recreation or the actual notes left by CAL) at the bottom it said 'Love, Cesar'.

So really no new news. I'm still hoping someone will turn him in!

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

I didn't see/hear anything new on the AMW segment on CL.

[CANDYKISSES]

So, there were other unauthorized absences for Maria and that's another reason they weren't convinced something bad had happened right away and the note left of course.

Interesting, I wonder if we will hear about the other unauthorized absences in the future?

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
So, there were other unauthorized absences for Maria and that's another reason they weren't convinced something bad had happened right away and the note left of course.

Interesting, I wonder if we will hear about the other unauthorized absences in the future?

JMO [/*]

That's what NCIS rep (Cicarelli sp) said that there were other UA's and that her command had accounts of non-truths IRRC.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi nuttin :seeya: That's what I thought of when I saw the photo, it looked like someone from the Middle East. I agree about the goatee, or maybe a beard that gives an unshaven look (I think you know what I mean).

Go Tar Heels! :D [/*]

Hi sunstar! I hope CAL is caught soon! I still can't get over that beard....


It's bad right now....42-22 Kansas leading with 2:09 in the first :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I didn't see/hear anything new on the AMW segment on CL. [/*]
I didn't see anything really new either, except the notes. At least they brought the case back in the limelight again and hopefully someone who has seen him watched it.

[Squawk Box]

I didn't see anything new. A little more CYA from Ciccerelli. Sounded a little petty on the show. Also the picture of Cesar looked good.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hi sunstar! I hope CAL is caught soon! I still can't get over that beard....


It's bad right now....42-22 Kansas leading with 2:09 in the first :( [/*]

Wasn't his hair modified as well? More poofy on top.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hi sunstar! I hope CAL is caught soon! I still can't get over that beard....


It's bad right now....42-22 Kansas leading with 2:09 in the first :( [/*]
I kind of thought the photo was rather funny since it didn't look that "real" on him.

I know :(

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


Wasn't his hair modified as well? More poofy on top. [/*]

Poofy, that's exactly what it looks like! I wasn't really looking at the head hair----I was looking at the wooly bully beard, LOL.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Well this was basically a repeat of the other segment.

I did notice this time was the AMW reporter was holding the 'note' supposedly left by Maria. It may have been another piece of paper but she was reporting that Maria had left the note.

Ciccarelli did say to the reporter that Maria had prior UA absences (I don't know if he said that last time...I will have to go back and check the original airing).

Another thing I noticed was when Sutherland was with the reporter at the grave---he said it was an eerie feeling being there and you could still smell the charring (but this interview was done within a couple of days after Maria's recovery, before the grave was filled with dirt and the crime scene tape was still up).

Also when they showed some papers (I don't know if it was a recreation or the actual notes left by CAL) at the bottom it said 'Love, Cesar'.

So really no new news. I'm still hoping someone will turn him in!

jmo [/*]

Thank you. I do think there was new things I didn't really know for sure.

Like Maria had gone UA before. Who said that before this? I can't remember now but didn't someone else mention that? Lisa? maybe...

And seeing the note signed "Love, Cesar"

Did it show a glimpse of Maria's note? Could you see her handwriting?

tia

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

I didn't see anything really new either, except the notes. At least they brought the case back in the limelight again and hopefully someone who has seen him watched it. [/*]

I don't remember anyone other than Lisa saying she had left before. This is the first time I've seen NCIS acknowledge that and I agree the inconsistencies we already knew about.

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Poofy, that's exactly what it looks like! I wasn't really looking at the head hair----I was looking at the wooly bully beard, LOL. [/*]

I'm with the majority here. Don't think CAL can grow a "bully beard".

[Squawk Box]

It didn't look that way when it was shown on AMW. jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you. I do think there was new things I didn't really know for sure.

Like Maria had gone UA before. Who said that before this? I can't remember now but didn't someone else mention that? Lisa? maybe...

And seeing the note signed "Love, Cesar"

Did it show a glimpse of Maria's note? Could you see her handwriting?

tia

imoo [/*]

I caught the Love Cesar and also caught that the last two words in the letter were "and ever". You remember correctly. Lisa mentioned the UA before.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you. I do think there was new things I didn't really know for sure.

Like Maria had gone UA before. Who said that before this? I can't remember now but didn't someone else mention that? Lisa? maybe...

And seeing the note signed "Love, Cesar"

Did it show a glimpse of Maria's note? Could you see her handwriting?

tia

imoo [/*]

Not sure on the handwriting, but the only other confirmation on the UA's before was Lisa IMO. She was vague, but did indeed mention it in the AC interview.

I wonder if any of that could be connected to a relationship with Cesar?

JMO. :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Who had the note in their hand? I am just realizing if it was PC, that it might have been in the file from the rape allegations.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
So, there were other unauthorized absences for Maria and that's another reason they weren't convinced something bad had happened right away and the note left of course.

Interesting, I wonder if we will hear about the other unauthorized absences in the future?

JMO [/*]

I sure hope so..............imo there is so much more we do not know that is in Maria's military file imo.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you. I do think there was new things I didn't really know for sure.

Like Maria had gone UA before. Who said that before this? I can't remember now but didn't someone else mention that? Lisa? maybe...

And seeing the note signed "Love, Cesar"

Did it show a glimpse of Maria's note? Could you see her handwriting?

tia

imoo [/*]

I couldn't see any actual writing on the paper, but you could tell there was some type of writing, as in black/blue on white paper.

I think Lisa was the only one who said Maria had left before (I can't remember her actual phrasing). In the SW of 1/7, NCIS only acknowledged inconsistent statements.

Did they show the interview with the cousin before? The cousin was on and said CAL said he had to leave but he would be back.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Not sure on the handwriting, but the only other confirmation on the UA's before was Lisa IMO. She was vague, but did indeed mention it in the AC interview.

I wonder if any of that could be connected to a relationship with Cesar?

JMO. :shrug: [/*]

Who knows Candy.....................in this case anything is possible imo.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Who had the note in their hand? I am just realizing if it was PC, that it might have been in the file from the rape allegations.

jmo [/*]

Good point. I didn't even pay attention to who was holding the letter(s),,,,,dang it.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Who had the note in their hand? I am just realizing if it was PC, that it might have been in the file from the rape allegations.

jmo [/*]

Which one?

The AMW reporter was holding the one supposedly from Maria and RS was right there beside her. The note or notes from CAL wasn't in anyone's hand...the words were blurred but I did see the Love, Cesar as that part wasn't blurred.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I couldn't see any actual writing on the paper, but you could tell there was some type of writing, as in black/blue on white paper.

I think Lisa was the only one who said Maria had left before (I can't remember her actual phrasing). In the SW of 1/7, NCIS only acknowledged inconsistent statements.

Did they show the interview with the cousin before? The cousin was on and said CAL said he had to leave but he would be back.

jmo [/*]

I am not sure.........I know CNN interviewed him didn't they?

When did the cousin see him? In January?

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I couldn't see any actual writing on the paper, but you could tell there was some type of writing, as in black/blue on white paper.

I think Lisa was the only one who said Maria had left before (I can't remember her actual phrasing). In the SW of 1/7, NCIS only acknowledged inconsistent statements.

Did they show the interview with the cousin before? The cousin was on and said CAL said he had to leave but he would be back.

jmo [/*]

Do you know who was holding the notes/letters/papers/whatever might have said LOVE CESAR?

:o jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I don't remember anyone other than Lisa saying she had left before. This is the first time I've seen NCIS acknowledge that and I agree the inconsistencies we already knew about.

jmo [/*]
You're right, I hadn't heard anyone but Lisa say anything about the UA before, so that part was new. It's just good that AMW is putting the case in the news again. :)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am not sure.........I know CNN interviewed him didn't they?

When did the cousin see him? In January?

imoo [/*]

Yes in January.

And MF went there and attempted to but the cousin refused.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo



Did they show the interview with the cousin before? The cousin was on and said CAL said he had to leave but he would be back.

jmo [/*]
I've seen the cousin on either Fox News or CNN before and heard him say that about CL. I guess it was in January.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Which one?

The AMW reporter was holding the one supposedly from Maria and RS was right there beside her. The note or notes from CAL wasn't in anyone's hand...the words were blurred but I did see the Love, Cesar as that part wasn't blurred.

JMO [/*]

So that wasn't during the time PC was talking, right? I was in the kitchen listening and not watching. :rolleyes: Domestic engineer is not all it's cracked up to be. ;)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Do you know who was holding the notes/letters/papers/whatever might have said LOVE CESAR?

:o jmo [/*]

I answered upthread.

No one was holding CAL's note or notes....the other writing on the paper was blurred so all I saw was Love, Cesar.

The AMW reporter was holding the note from Maria with RS standing beside her. (As I posted earlier, I don't know if it was the actual note from Maria).

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

You're right, I hadn't heard anyone but Lisa say anything about the UA before, so that part was new. It's just good that AMW is putting the case in the news again. :) [/*]

Sun, if Cesar looks like the new pic, I'll probably faint. I'm glad it's back in the spotlight for the night, but it's just not enough to get people wound up.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


So that wasn't during the time PC was talking, right? I was in the kitchen listening and not watching. :rolleyes: Domestic engineer is not all it's cracked up to be. ;) [/*]

Nope. RS and the reporter were in OCSD. Ciccarelli was in what appeared to be the NCIS building on base.



jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Nope. RS and the reporter were in OCSD. Ciccarelli was in what appeared to be the NCIS building on base.



jmo [/*]

Thank you. :o

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am not sure.........I know CNN interviewed him didn't they?

When did the cousin see him? In January?

imoo [/*]
Juan Antonio Ramos Ramirez told the Associated Press that Laurean walked into his liquor store on Jan. 14 or Jan. 15, and the two cousins chatted for 10 minutes about their families. Laurean then told Ramos Ramirez that he had to get back to two friends outside, but he might return. He never came back.

CNN first reported Tuesday that Laurean had briefly stopped by Ramos Ramirez's liquor store in Zapopan, just outside Guadalajara.

Days later, Ramos Ramirez saw a television report that Laurean was wanted in the United States for killing 20-year-old Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

"We were completely shocked," he said.
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=15012#more

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I answered upthread.

No one was holding CAL's note or notes....the other writing on the paper was blurred so all I saw was Love, Cesar.

The AMW reporter was holding the note from Maria with RS standing beside her. (As I posted earlier, I don't know if it was the actual note from Maria).

jmo [/*]

To me, it looked like a zeroxed copy of ML's note (the original notesize looked to be about 4" x 4", like a post-it. I believe the letter from CL was sitting on the table while Captain Sutherland was talking about ML's note as the AMW reporter held it.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by sunstar

I've seen the cousin on either Fox News or CNN before and heard him say that about CL. I guess it was in January. [/*]

According to CNN in this article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/index.html which is dated 1/22/08, the cousin spoke to CAL sometime the week prior so that would be during the week of 1/14. IIRC the cousin wasn't specific as to what day.

Didn't the LE 'think' CAL arrived in Mexico around the 14th?

jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Sun, if Cesar looks like the new pic, I'll probably faint. I'm glad it's back in the spotlight for the night, but it's just not enough to get people wound up.

jmo [/*]
I'd faint too. They put the wrong beard on him! I hope it brings in some tips, but I wonder how many people in Mexico watch AMW?

[GentleBreeze]

So he said that Maria had prior unauthorized leave absenceS?

Like he is saying it was more than one UA before this?

No wonder DD didn't want to get her into trouble with the MC.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Cryme - earlier you mentioned my floorplan of the Laurean house and the bedroom door locations. The front left BR door is probably where I put it. For the other 2 bedrooms (front right BR and master BR in the back), I just stuck the doors in a random place as we don't have any pictures that show us where those doors are.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


According to CNN in this article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/index.html which is dated 1/22/08, the cousin spoke to CAL sometime the week prior so that would be during the week of 1/14. IIRC the cousin wasn't specific as to what day.

Didn't the LE 'think' CAL arrived in Mexico around the 14th?

jmo [/*]
I remember the interview. Yes, the 14th would be about right for him arriving in Mexico since he left here on Jan. 11.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
So he said that Maria had prior unauthorized leave absenceS?

Like he is saying it was more than one UA before this?

No wonder DD didn't want to get her into trouble with the MC.

imoo [/*]
Yep, probably was the reason GB. It sure was kept quiet by the family also.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


To me, it looked like a zeroxed copy of ML's note (the original notesize looked to be about 4" x 4", like a post-it. I believe the letter from CL was sitting on the table while Captain Sutherland was talking about ML's note as the AMW reporter held it. [/*]

Most likely it was a copy as they sent the originals off for analysis.

CAL's were probably there, I was focusing in on the paper, the reporter and RS, not the papers on the table area.

jmo

[strick10]

I just wanted to point out something regarding the previous UAs. There is not a set amount of time a Marine has to be gone from their appointed place of duty to be considered UA. A Marine can be marked up UA if say they were suppose to be in formation at 7 o'clock but didn't show up but then showed up for work at 7:30.

ETA: Even showing up late for work, usually more than an hour can also result in a UA write up. You have to be at your appointed place at an appointed time when directed to do so.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

I remember the interview. Yes, the 14th would be about right for him arriving in Mexico since he left here on Jan. 11. [/*]

And then we have two witnesses in Raleigh/Durham saying he was buying sunglasses near the Microtel Motel on the 14th and that his truck only arrived on the 14th... lol... so who knows?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, probably was the reason GB. It sure was kept quiet by the family also. [/*]

Another thing I am having a recall issue with is the letter from the Congressman. Didn't he mention a period of time that they wanted some kind of work info on IIRC?

I thought it sounded like they had been told something they questioned from the way it was worded IIRC.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10
I just wanted to point out something regarding the previous UAs. There is not a set amount of time a Marine has to be gone from their appointed place of duty to be considered UA. A Marine can be marked up UA if say they were suppose to be in formation at 7 o'clock but didn't show up but then showed up for work at 7:30. [/*]

Thanks, Strick. I would think that any UAs of substantial length would have been mentioned in the MC PC, but no mention of them there, IIRC.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, probably was the reason GB. It sure was kept quiet by the family also. [/*]

The family may not have known.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
So he said that Maria had prior unauthorized leave absenceS?

Like he is saying it was more than one UA before this?

No wonder DD didn't want to get her into trouble with the MC.

imoo [/*]

Unless I heard incorrectly, Ciccarelli said that Maria had prior UA absenceS. (and inconsistent statements)

I was jotting down notes while the segment was on.

jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
So he said that Maria had prior unauthorized leave absenceS?

Like he is saying it was more than one UA before this?

No wonder DD didn't want to get her into trouble with the MC.

imoo [/*]
It would also explain why no one thought it an emergency when she went missing.

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

If this is true, it would explain why no one thought it an emergency when she went missing. [/*]

Exactly sunstar.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


And then we have two witnesses in Raleigh/Durham saying he was buying sunglasses near the Microtel Motel on the 14th and that his truck only arrived on the 14th... lol... so who knows? [/*]
Didn't he have a relative who could've been mistaken for him?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, probably was the reason GB. It sure was kept quiet by the family also. [/*]

Well I tell you how this strikes me.......Maria wasn't afraid of anyone. If she can just go UA and do it more than once when most Marines cringe and freak out if they are 5 minutes late for duty then Maria did what Maria wanted to do.

I really am shocked to hear this especially since her family said she always wanted to be a Marine. Being trustworthy, dependable and timely is an expectation.

I didn't know whether to believe Lisa about that part but I do now.

It certainly does explain why they thought "here we go again" and really thought she had left on her own.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Unless I heard incorrectly, Ciccarelli said that Maria had prior UA absenceS. (and inconsistent statements)

I was jotting down notes while the segment was on.

jmo [/*]

I heard the same thing: prior UAs and inconsistent statements.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10
I just wanted to point out something regarding the previous UAs. There is not a set amount of time a Marine has to be gone from their appointed place of duty to be considered UA. A Marine can be marked up UA if say they were suppose to be in formation at 7 o'clock but didn't show up but then showed up for work at 7:30.

ETA: Even showing up late for work, usually more than an hour can also result in a UA write up. You have to be at your appointed place at an appointed time when directed to do so. [/*]

Along with a good a$$ chewing!

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Unless I heard incorrectly, Ciccarelli said that Maria had prior UA absenceS. (and inconsistent statements)

I was jotting down notes while the segment was on.

jmo [/*]

Thanks so much, Nuttin!

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

Didn't he have a relative who could've been mistaken for him? [/*]

Certainly possible... or any of the several CLs I see on the streets up here in NJ!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


The family may not have known. [/*]
Maybe not strick back then, but they know now.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Certainly possible... or any of the several CLs I see on the streets up here in NJ! [/*]
I do think he may have had some help getting out of here. :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
I just wanted to point out something regarding the previous UAs. There is not a set amount of time a Marine has to be gone from their appointed place of duty to be considered UA. A Marine can be marked up UA if say they were suppose to be in formation at 7 o'clock but didn't show up but then showed up for work at 7:30.

ETA: Even showing up late for work, usually more than an hour can also result in a UA write up. You have to be at your appointed place at an appointed time when directed to do so. [/*]

That is true but his statement sort of makes it sound more than just being late one day.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

From the period of April 10, 2007 through May 12, 2007, did LCpl Lauterbach have any attendance issues, administrative counseling or discipline, or any other factor that would reflect on her performance during this time period?


Are there any documents to reflect that proceedings were initiated, considered or otherwise contemplated that LCpl Maria Lauterbach would be given an administrative and / or medical discharge based in part on her performance from April 1, 2007 through Ma y 11, 2007, or based in part on her medical condition and / or treatment during her time in the Marines?

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/nc...03-11-0020.html



I can't believe I forgot about this either. I am thinking this could be connected to what Uncle Peter allegedly told People Magazine. I wonder if we will be privvy to the return letter? :o

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Maybe not strick back then, but they know now. [/*]

Yep I think so too.


jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is true but his statement sort of makes it sound more than just being late one day.

imoo [/*]

I think we NEED to really read that letter again GB. I am of the opinion the dates and innuendo represent some of what we've been looking for. :o

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is true but his statement sort of makes it sound more than just being late one day.

imoo [/*]

His statement really didn't imply anything: "several UAs and inconsistencies". He didn't address how long the UAs were at all.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Along with a good a$$ chewing!

jmo [/*]

You'd better believe it.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Maybe not strick back then, but they know now. [/*]

Totally agree.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is true but his statement sort of makes it sound more than just being late one day.

imoo [/*]

Yes they do and I lean to believe that it was not due to being late one day. I think she was probably UA for a day or two on one or more occassion and probably may have been UA for shorter periods of times here and there.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


You'd better believe it. [/*]

I remember one time my youngest DD's husband completely overslept like three hours. He didn't do that again, LOL.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think we NEED to really read that letter again GB. I am of the opinion the dates and innuendo represent some of what we've been looking for. :o

jmo [/*]
Candy, you beat me to it in you other post from the Congressmans's letter. I had the link saved and had to look for it
http://tinyurl.com/52aply

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I can't believe I forgot about this either. I am thinking this could be connected to what Uncle Peter allegedly told People Magazine. I wonder if we will be privvy to the return letter? :o

JMO [/*]

I don't think we'll ever see the response candy. I am confident that the family and the senator have already received their responses from the MC.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes they do and I lean to believe that it was not due to being late one day. I think she was probably UA for a day or two on one or more occassion and probably may have been UA for shorter periods of times here and there. [/*]

Could be... but this was over 3 weeks (since Dec 17).

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
From the period of April 10, 2007 through May 12, 2007, did LCpl Lauterbach have any attendance issues, administrative counseling or discipline, or any other factor that would reflect on her performance during this time period?


Are there any documents to reflect that proceedings were initiated, considered or otherwise contemplated that LCpl Maria Lauterbach would be given an administrative and / or medical discharge based in part on her performance from April 1, 2007 through Ma y 11, 2007, or based in part on her medical condition and / or treatment during her time in the Marines?

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/nc...03-11-0020.html



I can't believe I forgot about this either. I am thinking this could be connected to what Uncle Peter allegedly told People Magazine. I wonder if we will be privvy to the return letter? :o

JMO [/*]

Link doesn't work CK. :(

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


His statement really didn't imply anything: "several UAs and inconsistencies". He didn't address how long the UAs were at all.

JMO [/*]

Yes but if had been just due to tardiness it wouldn't be one of the things they looked at in the file that made them think she had left on her own free will.

She had to have a pattern of leaving for some amount of time before returning.

If it was just for lateness then that wouldn't be an indicator that this time she had left on her on accord and they felt she had and IMO it is because she had done this before...........not this long of course but longer than just showing up to work late.

I don't even think Lisa would have mentioned it if she had not left before.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Link doesn't work CK. :( [/*]
I posted a link upthread nuttin, here it is again
http://tinyurl.com/52aply

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
From the period of April 10, 2007 through May 12, 2007, did LCpl Lauterbach have any attendance issues, administrative counseling or discipline, or any other factor that would reflect on her performance during this time period?


Are there any documents to reflect that proceedings were initiated, considered or otherwise contemplated that LCpl Maria Lauterbach would be given an administrative and / or medical discharge based in part on her performance from April 1, 2007 through Ma y 11, 2007, or based in part on her medical condition and / or treatment during her time in the Marines?

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/nc...03-11-0020.html



I can't believe I forgot about this either. I am thinking this could be connected to what Uncle Peter allegedly told People Magazine. I wonder if we will be privvy to the return letter? :o

JMO [/*]
Good questions, and thank you for reposting this link. It's more interesting now with the new information about her UA(s).

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I posted a link upthread nuttin, here it is again
http://tinyurl.com/52aply [/*]

TYVM

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
~snipped
[* I don't even think Lisa would have mentioned it if she had not left before.imoo [/*]
Agreed, and IIRC Lisa said "gone before".

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes but if had been just due to tardiness it wouldn't be one of the things they looked at in the file that made them think she had left on her own free will.

She had to have a pattern of leaving for some amount of time before returning.

If it was just for lateness then that wouldn't be an indicator that this time she had left on her on accord and they felt she had and IMO it is because she had done this before...........not this long of course but longer than just showing up to work late.

I don't even think Lisa would have mentioned it if she had not left before.

imoo [/*]

I am not saying she didn't have any prior UAs. I am just saying that if any of them had been of substantial length, then I think it would have been mentioned in the MC PC, and it wasn't. JMO though.

Also, BTW, if anyone is reading the JD News, I am NOT the person who posted a comment using the nic "garlicpeas". Someone over there (or someone from here) is trying to mess with several of our posters here. Just wanted to clarify that it was not me.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55820___article.html/lauterbach_wanted.html

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Could be... but this was over 3 weeks (since Dec 17). [/*]

There MAY have been a trend of UA's that may have started during her school days at Camp Johnson up to the time she was on the job at Lejeuene. There's no way to tell from where we sit.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Yes they do and I lean to believe that it was not due to being late one day. I think she was probably UA for a day or two on one or more occasion and probably may have been UA for shorter periods of times here and there. [/*]

Thats what I believe too Strick. Yes, maybe some of them were for tardiness but I think most likely Maria laid out for a couple of days and didn't report in.

I wonder what excuses she told them each time. Do they discipline for that? Everyone that I have known in the military thinks that is a major big no no!

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


There MAY have been a trend of UA's that may have started during her school days at Camp Johnson up to the time she was on the job at Lejeuene. There's no way to tell from where we sit. [/*]

Agreed... we just don't know.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good questions, and thank you for reposting this link. It's more interesting now with the new information about her UA(s). [/*]

I think so too sun. :o jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Agreed, and IIRC Lisa said "gone before". [/*]

True...........gone like not reporting for duty at all.

I wonder what excuse she gave them.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas



Also, BTW, if anyone is reading the JD News, I am NOT the person who posted a comment using the nic "garlicpeas". Someone over there (or someone from here) is trying to mess with several of our posters here. Just wanted to clarify that it was not me.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55820___article.html/lauterbach_wanted.html [/*]
I just saw that and could tell by the way it was written it wasn't you. :(

[nuttintodo]

Congressman Turner writes: When LCpl Lauterbach did not report for duty on Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 , why, in view of the pending rape claim against a fellow Marine, was no attempt made to search for her?

IIRC, wasn't it reported the MC did go to DD's home and call Maria's phone on 12/17/07? Is he trying to say the MC made no attempt at all?

Link: http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-03-11-0020.html#s

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Candy, you beat me to it in you other post from the Congressmans's letter. I had the link saved and had to look for it
http://tinyurl.com/52aply [/*]

Thank you so much Ivy, and I apologize for the confusion with the link. But that letter kept plaguing me tonite after he said that. I think the reason for the delay in the PC that day was due to some of the information on Maria that the family didn't have. Just a sneaking suspicion I have, but I have been pretty much on target with it since the case started. JMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thats what I believe too Strick. Yes, maybe some of them were for tardiness but I think most likely Maria laid out for a couple of days and didn't report in.

I wonder what excuses she told them each time. Do they discipline for that? Everyone that I have known in the military thinks that is a major big no no!

imoo [/*]

Yes there is discipline for that. Each UA is handled on a case to case basis.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

I just saw that and could tell by the way it was written it wasn't you. :( [/*]

Thanks, Sun... some pretty strange stuff was posted over there about some of our posters.

I am just hoping to wake up tomorrow morning to the news that a tip has led to CL's arrest. I know the AMW segment didn't really have much new in it to us, but we follow every word about this case - and I am sure lots of folks don't, so maybe their airing of this segment will help.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Congressman Turner writes: When LCpl Lauterbach did not report for duty on Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 , why, in view of the pending rape claim against a fellow Marine, was no attempt made to search for her?

IIRC, wasn't it reported the MC did go to DD's home and call Maria's phone on 12/17/07? Is he trying to say the MC made no attempt at all?

Link: http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-03-11-0020.html#s [/*]

Yes, the MC called her several times and went to Durham's house, IIRC.

[strick10]

I'm out folks. Looking forward to reading the rest of tonights posts tomorrow. :seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm out folks. Looking forward to reading the rest of tonights posts tomorrow. :seeya: [/*]

Night Strick, sleep tight! :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm out folks. Looking forward to reading the rest of tonights posts tomorrow. :seeya: [/*]

G'night, Strick :seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Sun... some pretty strange stuff was posted over there about some of our posters.

I am just hoping to wake up tomorrow morning to the news that a tip has led to CL's arrest. I know the AMW segment didn't really have much new in it to us, but we follow every word about this case - and I am sure lots of folks don't, so maybe their airing of this segment will help.

JMO [/*]
I'm always hoping the same thing. The longer he's free, the less chance he'll be caught, imo. AMW has gotten many tips that led to the capture of a lot of criminals so maybe CL will be the next one!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Congressman Turner writes: When LCpl Lauterbach did not report for duty on Monday, Dec. 17, 2007 , why, in view of the pending rape claim against a fellow Marine, was no attempt made to search for her?

IIRC, wasn't it reported the MC did go to DD's home and call Maria's phone on 12/17/07? Is he trying to say the MC made no attempt at all?

Link: http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-03-11-0020.html#s [/*]

I think the Congressman is getting his information strictly from the Lauterbachs when the Lauterbachs do not know the actual truth to what was done and when.

I do think the MC will write a return letter however it may not be what they want to hear or learn.

Yes he is implying they did nothing at all and as caejde has said before when a Marine goes UA the MC doesn't come looking for you like a nursemaid. They went above and beyond what was expected of them. Even though they had no jurisdiction in the general population of Jacksonville they went to her home, they tried to call her and more.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm out folks. Looking forward to reading the rest of tonights posts tomorrow. :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think the Congressman is getting his information strictly from the Lauterbachs when the Lauterbachs do not know the actual truth to what was done and when.

I do think the MC will write a return letter however it may not be what they want to hear or learn.

Yes he is implying they did nothing at all and as caejde has said before when a Marine goes UA the MC doesn't come looking for you like a nursemaid. They went above and beyond what was expected of them. Even though they had no jurisdiction in the general population of Jacksonville they went to her home, they tried to call her and more.

imoo [/*]

Yes, their silence is deafening IMO. :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think the Congressman is getting his information strictly from the Lauterbachs when the Lauterbachs do not know the actual truth to what was done and when.

I do think the MC will write a return letter however it may not be what they want to hear or learn.

Yes he is implying they did nothing at all and as caejde has said before when a Marine goes UA the MC doesn't come looking for you like a nursemaid. They went above and beyond what was expected of them. Even though they had no jurisdiction in the general population of Jacksonville they went to her home, they tried to call her and more.

imoo [/*]
I agree about where he got his information from and also that the Marines seemed to do everything they could to find out what had happened to Maria, especially if she'd gone UA before. Now I'll more readily accept that she left the note at Durham's and was intending to leave on that bus. But the question still is, why go to El Paso?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes, their silence is deafening IMO. :( [/*]

lol, well, I just tried to send an email to Rep. Turner asking him if he had heard back from the MC/NCIS, but he only accepts email from people in his congressional district so it wouldn't go through. Oh well, I tried...

If anyone here is in his congressional district, could you email him and ask if he has heard back from them?

TIA

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

I agree about where he got his information from and also that the Marines seemed to do everything they could to find out what had happened to Maria, especially if she'd gone UA before. Now I'll more readily accept that she left the note at Durham's and was intending to leave on that bus. But the question still is, why go to El Paso? [/*]

$64K question sun.:eek:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm out folks. Looking forward to reading the rest of tonights posts tomorrow. :seeya: [/*]
Nite strick :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes, their silence is deafening IMO. :( [/*]

I see no problem whatsoever with the MC easily answering all of the questions asked by the Congressman.

Now will he like the answers? I highly doubt it.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I see no problem whatsoever with the MC easily answering all of the questions asked by the Congressman.

Now will he like the answers? I highly doubt it.

imoo [/*]

I was talking about the Congressman and the family. I too believe the USMC will not only answer it, but that they will have what they need to back it up as well.

JMO:read:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I see no problem whatsoever with the MC easily answering all of the questions asked by the Congressman.

Now will he like the answers? I highly doubt it.

imoo [/*]
I'd love to see the MC's response made public, like the Congressman did his letter :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


$64K question sun.:eek: [/*]
Maybe something only CL knows since I think he played a part in her buying the ticket. Maybe it was just a stopover on the way someplace else he'd suggested she go to. We'll probably never know a lot of things about what went on between them.

[martha]

amw did not help tonight but maybe someone watched it that can help find cl. I think the longer he stays away the longer it will take to get him. i am sure ml family will not have any peace until he is caught.:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

I agree about where he got his information from and also that the Marines seemed to do everything they could to find out what had happened to Maria, especially if she'd gone UA before. Now I'll more readily accept that she left the note at Durham's and was intending to leave on that bus. But the question still is, why go to El Paso? [/*]

Yes, and it makes me wonder if DD knew of the prior UAs since he was so worried about Maria getting into trouble with the Corps when he was talking to Mary about Maria leaving him a note.

He probably thought it would be like the other times and she would return.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'd love to see the MC's response made public, like the Congressman did his letter :) [/*]

Me too, it's been brutal for them, and I honestly believe they have held back MUCH that might not be easy on the family IMO.
:o

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Maybe something only CL knows since I think he played a part in her buying the ticket. Maybe it was just a stopover on the way someplace else he'd suggested she go to. We'll probably never know a lot of things about what went on between them. [/*]

When Sutherland was asked that questioned he did say they knew the connection to El Paso when asked about Maria.

imoo

[martha]

Originally posted by sunstar

Maybe something only CL knows since I think he played a part in her buying the ticket. Maybe it was just a stopover on the way someplace else he'd suggested she go to. We'll probably never know a lot of things about what went on between them. [/*] i think you or so right we will never know the truth about what went on between them. cl is the only one that can tell us and you can bet your bottom dollar he will not tell the truth.I am sure from what we heard tonight there is a lot about ml we will never know. I feel for her family. ml and her baby or in heaven so they or ok just need to catch this scum. for ml and her baby:rose:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I was talking about the Congressman and the family. I too believe the USMC will not only answer it, but that they will have what they need to back it up as well.

JMO:read: [/*]

I'm sure he's already gotten his reply letter, if he hasn't I will be shocked.

I agree with Ocean---Turner probably didn't like what he read.

You are correct, the USMC loves their paperwork.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'd love to see the MC's response made public, like the Congressman did his letter :) [/*]

They won't publicize it but lets see if the Congressman does.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm sure he's already gotten his reply letter, if he hasn't I will be shocked.

I agree with Ocean---Turner probably didn't like what he read.

You are correct, the USMC loves their paperwork.

jmo [/*]

Is the Raynor cold case solved tonight 22 year old young man, any relation to the attorney that you know of???

Just curious.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Is the Raynor cold case solved tonight 22 year old young man, any relation to the attorney that you know of???

Just curious. [/*]

Not that I am aware of. I was there reading that article and was trying to remember the case.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, and it makes me wonder if DD knew of the prior UAs since he was so worried about Maria getting into trouble with the Corps when he was talking to Mary about Maria leaving him a note.

He probably thought it would be like the other times and she would return.

imoo [/*]
And didn't the note say she was leaving the Marines? I think those words combined with prior UA(s) would've given him pause about that matter.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


When Sutherland was asked that questioned he did say they knew the connection to El Paso when asked about Maria.

imoo [/*]
But we're still curious! I know, they can't release information until he goes to trial. :(

[CANDYKISSES]

Good night peeps. Hopefully someone had a heart and called in a tip tonite. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Me too, it's been brutal for them, and I honestly believe they have held back MUCH that might not be easy on the family IMO.
:o [/*]

Yes, I think they have had to bite their tongues and remain respectful even when being blamed.

I know Mary as Maria's Administrator of her Estate can subpoena for Maria's medical records but it is going to get dicey imo on who if anyone is allowed to look into confidential government files on an adult, clearly of age where it is covered by the privacy act.

That should be interesting and imo the MC may do this trying to protect Maria's information that may but her in a detrimentail light. Things that Maria may have wanted to remain private.


imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Good night peeps. Hopefully someone had a heart and called in a tip tonite. :seeya: [/*]


:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Good night peeps. Hopefully someone had a heart and called in a tip tonite. :seeya: [/*]
Nite Candy :seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Good night peeps. Hopefully someone had a heart and called in a tip tonite. :seeya: [/*]
Goodnight to you, and everyone ~ and yes, hopefully someone called AMW! :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

And didn't the note say she was leaving the Marines? I think those words combined with prior UA(s) would've given him pause about that matter. [/*]

Yes and IIRC she had also mentioned she didnt like the MC anymore to one of her friends about a week before the 14th.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
Good night peeps. Hopefully someone had a heart and called in a tip tonite. :seeya: [/*]

I would be one happy camper if I wake up tomorrow and it's being reported CAL has been captured!

Nite CK!

Nite all. :seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes and IIRC she had also mentioned she didnt like the MC anymore to one of her friends about a week before the 14th.

imoo [/*]
She told Ashley Dupuis "She didn't like it and she wanted to get out."

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I would be one happy camper if I wake up tomorrow and it's being reported CAL has been captured!
Nite CK!
Nite all. :seeya: [/*]
Yeah me too nuttin, it will be aired on the West Coast in about 16 minutes so I'm shutting down in a few.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I would be one happy camper if I wake up tomorrow and it's being reported CAL has been captured!

Nite CK!

Nite all. :seeya: [/*]

Well I am turning in too. Hopefully tomorrow my headache will be gone, along with sneezing and coughing every 5 minutes. I know if I got up in the morning and they had nabbed Laurean... that right there would give me a boost. lol

See yall tomorrow!:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well I am turning in too. Hopefully tomorrow my headache will be gone, along with sneezing and coughing every 5 minutes. I know if I got up and they had nabbed Laurean... that right there would give me a boost. lol

See yall tomorrow!:seeya: [/*]
Nite GB :seeya: sleep well.

[Charlotte]

It sounds like the MC is trying to have it both ways. One the one hand, they were supposedly so worried about ML when she first went missing that they took several "extraordinary" steps to locate her, due to "elevated concern for her welfare" because of her advanced state of pregnancy.

But on the other hand, hey folks -- she had a history of UAs which led them to believe that all was okey-dokey and she was just off on a lark!
No cause for concern whatsoever! Move along, nothing to see here...

Damage control has been kicked into high gear, I'd say. JMO

I think that any delay in holding the press conference was due to Ciccarelli trying to get up to speed on a case he knew nothing about.
He wasn't all the way informed even then. IMO, of course.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Charlotte
It sounds like the MC is trying to have it both ways. One the one hand, they were supposedly so worried about ML when she first went missing that they took several "extraordinary" steps to locate her, due to "elevated concern for her welfare" because of her advanced state of pregnancy.

But on the other hand, hey folks -- she had a history of UAs which led them to believe that all was okey-dokey and she was just off on a lark!
~snipped[/*]
She had more than an UA problem, even her mother knew this.

~snip from link
As Cesar Laurean remains hidden from authorities, many questions remain unanswered about the sad, disturbing saga of Maria Lauterbach.

None are more painful than the ones tormenting the family.

What if Maria had never made up the story about her brother?

It may have been a cry for attention, a reaction to the stress of Marine Corps life.

It may also have been fatal.
http://tinyurl.com/272r76

[IvySterling]

Nite to anyone left here, off to watch AMW :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Charlotte
It sounds like the MC is trying to have it both ways. One the one hand, they were supposedly so worried about ML when she first went missing that they took several "extraordinary" steps to locate her, due to "elevated concern for her welfare" because of her advanced state of pregnancy.

But on the other hand, hey folks -- she had a history of UAs which led them to believe that all was okey-dokey and she was just off on a lark!
No cause for concern whatsoever! Move along, nothing to see here...

Damage control has been kicked into high gear, I'd say. JMO

I think that any delay in holding the press conference was due to Ciccarelli trying to get up to speed on a case he knew nothing about.
He wasn't all the way informed even then. IMO, of course. [/*]

I tend to agree with most of your post, Charlotte, except your last paragraph. A MC rep came out and said the PC was delayed because they needed to notify the family of what they were going to say.

JMO - I don't know if there is a link for that, but I remember hearing it...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


On 3/21/2008 the Congressman received a reply from the USMC to the Congressman's letter dated 3/11/2008

The Congressman disagrees with the USMC's reply



http://www.tcnewsnet.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&ArticleID=147032 [/*]

hmm.. so from your post, am I correct to assume that the MC has not answered all of his questions? Or at least not as of that date?

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I tend to agree with most of your post, Charlotte, except your last paragraph. A MC rep came out and said the PC was delayed because they needed to notify the family of what they were going to say.

JMO - I don't know if there is a link for that, but I remember hearing it... [/*]

I believe you, but I still think that Ciccarelli had to be notified of what he was going to say too. :D

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


hmm.. so from your post, am I correct to assume that the MC has not answered all of his questions? Or at least not as of that date? [/*]

Actually, they haven't replied to the questions yet.
From the article that nelkirk linked to:

Turner has yet to receive answers from the Marine Corps. However, Conway sought to allay suspicions of obscurantism.

"They will be responding to questions in a timely manner, although I do not want to set a time-frame for their response," Mascho said.