4/5 to 4/7

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by daniel green


Yes, the fetal hand was in bag 5, just like ML's limbs were in bags.

The ME was not able to determine any injury to the fetus.

There is no way that the hand could have been cut off. [/*]

I don't remember MLs legs being in bags from the autopsy report. Where did you get that information?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

I remember that being mentioned in the video where Greta went out in the back yard, that yes, he'd added more dirt. [/*]

Interesting, Sunstar.... I missed that...

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I posted once before that maybe he was checking to see if her body was burning - re-digging & checking, then having another fire, then re-digging & checking, then having another fire. It couldn't have happened then if so.

JMO [/*]

I don't see him accidentally puncturing her throat with s shovel after burial, then using that as her COD in his note. I doubt that he was closely inspecting her body periodically over the time of the fires. That would involve unwrapping the comforter each time, IMO. I just don't see it. I think the cut on her neck was intentional, to provide an excuse for her death if her body were ever to be found. JMOO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Charlotte


I don't see him accidentally puncturing her throat with s shovel after burial, then using that as her COD in his note. I doubt that he was closely inspecting her body periodically over the time of the fires. That would involve unwrapping the comforter each time, IMO. I just don't see it. I think the cut on her neck was intentional, to provide an excuse for her death if her body were ever to be found. JMOO [/*]

I was referring to Sheriff Brown's comment about the fetal hand being cut off.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't remember MLs legs being in bags from the autopsy report. Where did you get that information? [/*]

From autopsy report:

Within the body bag there are also multiple plastic bags that are labeled items 1-8. Bag 8 contains dirt. Bag 5 contains
a fetal hand. The other bags contain various fragments of long bone, extremities, and skull.
Page 1 of 9 *200800195 14 March 2008 09:29

[gaelicpeas]

Didn't Wanda or one of the neighbors say that CL kept going into the backyard on the night of Jan 10 (when she said he and CSL were on the front porch talking)? Maybe he was checking then, and maybe that was the more recently-added dirt?

JMO

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by daniel green


From autopsy report:

Within the body bag there are also multiple plastic bags that are labeled items 1-8. Bag 8 contains dirt. Bag 5 contains
a fetal hand. The other bags contain various fragments of long bone, extremities, and skull.
Page 1 of 9 *200800195 14 March 2008 09:29 [/*]

Yes, I know that. It was the way you posted it that sounded different. Just saying.......

jmo

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I was referring to Sheriff Brown's comment about the fetal hand being cut off. [/*]

Sorry -- I thought you were referring to the cut on Maria's neck. :eek: My error!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Yes, I know that. It was the way you posted it that sounded different. Just saying.......

jmo [/*]

Extremities are extremities.

Not sure how that is different.

But, OK.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Charlotte


Sorry -- I thought you were referring to the cut on Maria's neck. :eek: My error! [/*]

No problem.. :)

I agree the slit on her neck was probably not made with a shovel.

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by daniel green


Extremities are extremities.

Not sure how that is different.

But, OK. [/*]

Fragments of bone are different from entire limbs, which your original post seemed to suggest. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Charlotte


I don't see him accidentally puncturing her throat with s shovel after burial, then using that as her COD in his note. I doubt that he was closely inspecting her body periodically over the time of the fires. That would involve unwrapping the comforter each time, IMO. I just don't see it. I think the cut on her neck was intentional, to provide an excuse for her death if her body were ever to be found. JMOO [/*]

I am like the ME when he says the wound to her neck "MAY have" occurred after death which means either or in reality and he really cant determine one way or the other.

I believe it was before and therefore brings into play two entirely different weapons used to commit the crime. Why would anyone throw down a sharp knife and pick up a bludgeoning weapon instead? I ponder if it means there were two suspects and also find it rather odd that if a male did the slashing on the neck that it wasn't from ear to ear like they are taught to kill their enemy in the military when in close combat.:shrug:

I also have felt the baby clothes in the fire pit sounds more like a woman very vindictive and scorned.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10
Question to anyone. The alleged rapes happend on the 27th of Mar 07 and the 10th of Apr 07 right? [/*]

3/26/07 and 4/10/07 were the dates, Strick.

It was alleged the one occurring on 4/10/07 happened while they were on duty together.

jmo

[Pag Boi]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Didn't Wanda or one of the neighbors say that CL kept going into the backyard on the night of Jan 10 (when she said he and CSL were on the front porch talking)? Maybe he was checking then, and maybe that was the more recently-added dirt?

JMO [/*]

:confused:

So there was a Christmas Eve "bbq"

There was a 2nd holiday"bbq" (maybe NY's Eve?)

But on the night before fleeing from what you beleive is a planned murder, CL was out in the back yard tending to the details? Wouldn't a smolder or recently burnt spot be a red flag to OCSD? Maybe it was. But why would they need CSL to tell them location if so?

When did OCSD go to the house to ask about ML?

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't remember MLs legs being in bags from the autopsy report. Where did you get that information? [/*]
one of the bags contained limbs... go to links and read autopsy

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol - it was removed after a very short time... [/*]

Who was the second one from GPeas, if you don't mind me asking.

Donna had one but hers' was asking if CSL had been cleared by OCSD.

TIA

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


3/26/07 and 4/10/07 were the dates, Strick.

It was alleged the one occurring on 4/10/07 happened while they were on duty together.

jmo [/*]

Thanks Nuttin!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Pag Boi


:confused:

So there was a Christmas Eve "bbq"

There was a 2nd holiday"bbq" (maybe NY's Eve?)

<snipped> [/*]

There were three BBQ's: Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve.

I vaguely remember Richard Alander saying something about the Laurean's burning sometime around the 16th. It seems Wanda commented what was that smell...

JMO since I'm not sure on RA's rendition of the original burning.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Her myspace is private to all that are not on her friends list. All I see is her pic, the last sign in date and her caption which indicates that she left this earth on the 15th. It is my understanding that her sister has access to Marias myspace. Don't have a link to prove that so I'll just say IMO. [/*]

Strange they are still maintaining that December 15th was the date of death when CS and team are thinking it happened on the 14th.

imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Howiefan

one of the bags contained limbs... go to links and read autopsy [/*]



From autopsy report:

Within the body bag there are also multiple plastic bags that are labeled items 1-8. Bag 8 contains dirt. Bag 5 contains
a fetal hand. The other bags contain various fragments of long bone, extremities, and skull.
Page 1 of 9 *200800195 14 March 2008 09:29 [/*]

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am like the ME when he says the wound to her neck "MAY have" occurred after death which means either or in reality and he really cant determine one way or the other.

I believe it was before and therefore brings into play two entirely different weapons used to commit the crime. Why would anyone throw down a sharp knife and pick up a bludgeoning weapon instead? I ponder if it means there were two suspects and also find it rather odd that if a male did the slashing on the neck that it wasn't from ear to ear like they are taught to kill their enemy in the military when in close combat.:shrug:

I also have felt the baby clothes in the fire pit sounds more like a woman very vindictive and scorned.

JMO [/*]
That doesn't make sense to me either that someone with his training would've used two weapons, unless the knife to the throat was an afterthought to go along with the "suicide". I agree with you about the baby clothes. I think whoever put the baby clothes in the fire pit thought they'd burn too and "now I've gotten rid of you (Maria) your baby and everything to do with it." But the problem is, if all of Maria's stuff was in her car, why were the baby clothes with her unless they came from CL or were at CL's house? If he'd gotten them for Maria's baby and Mrs. CL found out I can see her going ballistic. MOO :)

[nuttintodo]

Directly from the Autopsy Report:

Within the body bag there are also multiple plastic bags that are labeled items 1-8. Bag 8 contains dirt. Bag 5 contains a fetal hand. The other bags contain various fragments of long bone, extremities, and skull.

This is located at the bottom of page 1.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Strange they are still maintaining that December 15th was the date of death when CS and team are thinking it happened on the 14th.

imoo [/*]
It could be that it happened after midnight threfore the 15th????
just saying
imo

[Pag Boi]

Originally posted by daniel green


Extremities are extremities.

Not sure how that is different.

But, OK. [/*]

GE MOMENT for me: Rewriting history = EXtremities
[a drastic or desperate act or measure <driven to extremities>]

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by Squawk Box




From autopsy report:

Within the body bag there are also multiple plastic bags that are labeled items 1-8. Bag 8 contains dirt. Bag 5 contains
a fetal hand. The other bags contain various fragments of long bone, extremities, and skull.
Page 1 of 9 *200800195 14 March 2008 09:29 [/*] [/*]
thanks squawk :) I did not have it worded correctly but I knew what I meant

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Howiefan

It could be that it happened after midnight threfore the 15th????
just saying
imo [/*]
And Mrs. CL would've been home. :D

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by sunstar

And Mrs. CL would've been home. :D [/*]
yuppers, lots of coulds shoulds and maybes:)

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by sunstar

That doesn't make sense to me either that someone with his training would've used two weapons, unless the knife to the throat was an afterthought to go along with the "suicide". I agree with you about the baby clothes. I think whoever put the baby clothes in the fire pit thought they'd burn too and "now I've gotten rid of you (Maria) your baby and everything to do with it." But the problem is, if all of Maria's stuff was in her car, why were the baby clothes with her unless they came from CL or were at CL's house? If he'd gotten them for Maria's baby and Mrs. CL found out I can see her going ballistic. MOO :) [/*]

If Christina was involved in the murder, she would be charged by now. RS recently said if they had probable cause to charge her, she would be charged. Paraphrased from an answer to the questions and answers from Insessions to RS and back to Insessions. There is a thread with that information.

I believe if she was guilty of anything she would be charged by now.

MOO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by sunstar

And Mrs. CL would've been home. :D [/*]

is it a known fact that CSL returned home the night of the party?

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Strange they are still maintaining that December 15th was the date of death when CS and team are thinking it happened on the 14th.

imoo [/*]

What gives? :shrug: I don't think it happened on the 14th between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00. It happened later than that or on the 15th.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by JanDoe


is it a known fact that CSL returned home the night of the party? [/*]

According to RS, she arrived home from the party around 7pm.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks squawk :) I did not have it worded correctly but I knew what I meant [/*]

YW;)

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


According to RS, she arrived home from the party around 7pm. [/*]

thanks.....for sure things don't add up

one thing that does tho is that both ML and CL knew about the
party and neither attended....

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

That doesn't make sense to me either that someone with his training would've used two weapons, unless the knife to the throat was an afterthought to go along with the "suicide". I agree with you about the baby clothes. I think whoever put the baby clothes in the fire pit thought they'd burn too and "now I've gotten rid of you (Maria) your baby and everything to do with it." But the problem is, if all of Maria's stuff was in her car, why were the baby clothes with her unless they came from CL or were at CL's house? If he'd gotten them for Maria's baby and Mrs. CL found out I can see her going ballistic. MOO :) [/*]

Right and if he was going to make it look like suicide why wasn't it a slash across the entire neck instead of a superficial wound at an angle on one side of her neck only? Sounds like something a woman would do not a man imo

Oh my gosh at the rage that would come spewing out if she not only found them together there alone but found out he had bought the baby an outfit too. Smoke :flamemad: would have been coming out of her ears.

imoo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Strange they are still maintaining that December 15th was the date of death when CS and team are thinking it happened on the 14th.

imoo [/*]

And on the ME's Report of the Investigation it was noted that ML was last known to be alive on the 15th,

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


What gives? :shrug: I don't think it happened on the 14th between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00. It happened later than that or on the 15th. [/*]

Or if it did occur between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00, CAL left Maria in the garage. He could have only had time to clean up in the house, not the house AND the garage.

My speculation because I really do not believe CAL had time to do ALL the clean up on the 14th. There's just no way he could have accomplished all that in an hour and a half timeframe.

JMO

[Pag Boi]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


There were three BBQ's: Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve.

I vaguely remember Richard Alander saying something about the Laurean's burning sometime around the 16th. It seems Wanda commented what was that smell...

JMO since I'm not sure on RA's rendition of the original burning. [/*]

hey nuttn

hope you are doing well

Vaguely, do our remember if this was around the 16th of Dec or the 16th of Jan. Thanks!

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Howiefan

thanks squawk :) I did not have it worded correctly but I knew what I meant [/*]

Yep.

You knew what an extremity is!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


What gives? :shrug: I don't think it happened on the 14th between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00. It happened later than that or on the 15th. [/*]

This case just does not add up.

Why are the Lauterbach's insisting it was the 15th? They had it in the obit and now they have the same date, after all these months, on Maria's own myspace page.

Do they believe Laurean and not Christina or LE? I just don't know...but it is maddening trying to keep up with it all.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Pag Boi


hey nuttn

hope you are doing well

Vaguely, do our remember if this was around the 16th of Dec or the 16th of Jan. Thanks! [/*]

I am TY! Hope you are better now than last night. I am still in shock and utter disbelief.

Alander it seems said the Laurean's had never burned anything before and then sometime the week before Christmas, there was burning in the Laurean's backyard.

December 16th seems to be the day Laurean asked to borrow the shovel from Richard. (Now I'm trying to remember this without looking it up, LOL so forgive me if I have something out of order or incorrect.)

Now according to NG, she said the Laurean's had a three day BBQ. :rolleyes:

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by daniel green


And on the ME's Report of the Investigation it was noted that ML was last known to be alive on the 15th, [/*]

Wasn't that before it was discovered Maria actually bought her bus ticket on 12/14 for departure on 12/15?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Or if it did occur between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00, CAL left Maria in the garage. He could have only had time to clean up in the house, not the house AND the garage.

My speculation because I really do not believe CAL had time to do ALL the clean up on the 14th. There's just no way he could have accomplished all that in an hour and a half time frame.

JMO [/*]

I agree Nuttin and that is using the time line of Maria going directly from the bus station back to his home and we really don't know if she may have stopped somewhere else along the way first.

The time line is just way too tight imo to accomplish all that he would have to do and be sitting there as nothing was wrong or out of kilter at all.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Who was the second one from GPeas, if you don't mind me asking.

Donna had one but hers' was asking if CSL had been cleared by OCSD.

TIA [/*]

hmm... IIRC, her nic was Kim something? Can't remember if it was just Kim or Kim + something. Or maybe I am thinking of someone else.

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by sunstar

That doesn't make sense to me either that someone with his training would've used two weapons, unless the knife to the throat was an afterthought to go along with the "suicide". I agree with you about the baby clothes. I think whoever put the baby clothes in the fire pit thought they'd burn too and "now I've gotten rid of you (Maria) your baby and everything to do with it." But the problem is, if all of Maria's stuff was in her car, why were the baby clothes with her unless they came from CL or were at CL's house? If he'd gotten them for Maria's baby and Mrs. CL found out I can see her going ballistic. MOO :) [/*]

This has been addressed awhile ago about he baby outfit/clothes.. that it could have been a gift she received from a friend or someone from work and it was in her car...her few personal belongings that were found in suitcase or bag were in the trunk... I do agree with what you say about the reason behind throwing them in pit though..

[sunstar]

Originally posted by JanDoe


is it a known fact that CSL returned home the night of the party? [/*]
Wasn't it said she got home around 7pm? But no, I don't know it for a fact! :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Wasn't it said she got home around 7pm? But no, I don't know it for a fact! :) [/*]

That is what CS has said.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


hmm... IIRC, her nic was Kim something? Can't remember if it was just Kim or Kim + something. Or maybe I am thinking of someone else. [/*]

TYVM GPeas! That was the one I was thinking.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what CS has said.

imoo [/*]

In several interviews...

jmo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what CS has said.

imoo [/*]

it could be that she did return home but did not stay at home
that night........maybe she left again....

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what CS has said.

imoo [/*]
hmmm..wonder what makes him so sure of this? Chrsitina told him ..how else would he know for sure??

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right and if he was going to make it look like suicide why wasn't it a slash across the entire neck instead of a superficial wound at an angle on one side of her neck only? Sounds like something a woman would do not a man imo

Oh my gosh at the rage that would come spewing out if she not only found them together there alone but found out he had bought the baby an outfit too. Smoke :flamemad: would have been coming out of her ears.

imoo [/*]

If this injury was done before the strikes to the side of the head - I can see that it didn't go from ear to ear possibly because Maria was able to somewhat fight off her attacker and get away from the right handed person that was behind her and probably ran into the garage. Maria may have been able to make her attacker drop the knife which would have the killer chase her empty handed to obtain a different weapon in the garage. The cut IMO should've been deeper than just a superficial wound. Kind of whimpy attempt to cut her neck if you ask me unless they used a really poopy knife. If it was done after the killing then the person whom made the cut was in a hurry to just do it.

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Or if it did occur between the hours of 5:30 and 7:00, CAL left Maria in the garage. He could have only had time to clean up in the house, not the house AND the garage.

My speculation because I really do not believe CAL had time to do ALL the clean up on the 14th. There's just no way he could have accomplished all that in an hour and a half timeframe.

JMO [/*]

I totally agree. I think if it did happen on the 14th he left her in the garage, but, if that's the case why did he wait until the 16th to borrow a shovel. I know the e-tool could've helped dig a hole but it would've taken him a little while to dig in enough to hide her, then he'd have to take her out again and dig deeper on the 16th. Then of course he'd have to clean up and clean himself up.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


This case just does not add up.

Why are the Lauterbach's insisting it was the 15th? They had it in the obit and now they have the same date, after all these months, on Maria's own myspace page.

Do they believe Laurean and not Christina or LE? I just don't know...but it is maddening trying to keep up with it all.

imoo [/*]
And the Probate file lists 16-Dec-07 as DOD:rolleyes:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right and if he was going to make it look like suicide why wasn't it a slash across the entire neck instead of a superficial wound at an angle on one side of her neck only? Sounds like something a woman would do not a man imo

Oh my gosh at the rage that would come spewing out if she not only found them together there alone but found out he had bought the baby an outfit too. Smoke :flamemad: would have been coming out of her ears.

imoo [/*]
Good question, but both CL and Mrs. CL had the same Marine training, didn't they? So it doesn't make sense that either of them would inflict that superficial wound on her neck and then say Maria slashed her own throat. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what CS has said.

imoo [/*]
I know ~ I just put the last part in the post since I wasn't there. ;)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by JanDoe


it could be that she did return home but did not stay at home
that night........maybe she left again.... [/*]

Interesting. I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested that before. Something to consider.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Interesting. I'm not sure anyone has ever suggested that before. Something to consider. [/*]

it's possible....anything is possible
I can't understand how she couldn't know more if she
remained home that night......

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


I totally agree. I think if it did happen on the 14th he left her in the garage, but, if that's the case why did he wait until the 16th to borrow a shovel. I know the e-tool could've helped dig a hole but it would've taken him a little while to dig in enough to hide her, then he'd have to take her out again and dig deeper on the 16th. Then of course he'd have to clean up and clean himself up. [/*]
I think the dog would've gone crazy if she'd been left in the garage. They can smell blood. MOO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Calls about Laurean on AMW

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9

[strick10]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good question, but both CL and Mrs. CL had the same Marine training, didn't they? So it doesn't make sense that either of them would inflict that superficial wound on her neck and then say Maria slashed her own throat. :shrug: [/*]

They had the same basic training but I doubt either had awhole lot of field training or special training which would allow them to hone in on some techniques. Maybe the knife wasn't sharp enough. I believe if this cut happened before she was killed that Maria was able to get away from her attacker for just a bit.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Calls about Laurean on AMW

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9 [/*]
Thanks Lynn :) good news it seems since he won't comment!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


it could be that she did return home but did not stay at home
that night........maybe she left again.... [/*]

Maybe he is the one that left for awhile and came back to this. If he saw the knife wound to the neck and all of the blood around her maybe he believed CSL if she told him Maria came there and went nuts and sliced her throat in front of her.:shrug:

I really don't know what to think concerning this case. In all the years I have been here I have never suspected the spouse when the other spouse has been charged with a murder but I must be honest, I do have a big problem with CSL and her possible involvement in this crime. It wouldn't take two brain cells for him to know because of the circumstances he was the one they were going to blame for this.

He had family outside of this country. CSL does not.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


They had the same basic training but I doubt either had awhole lot of field training or special training which would allow them to hone in on some techniques. Maybe the knife wasn't sharp enough. I believe if this cut happened before she was killed that Maria was able to get away from her attacker for just a bit. [/*]
I read the other post about this and you might be right that she got away from CL before he were able to finish the slashing so he had to resort to bludgeoning her on the head.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


They had the same basic training but I doubt either had awhole lot of field training or special training which would allow them to hone in on some techniques. Maybe the knife wasn't sharp enough. I believe if this cut happened before she was killed that Maria was able to get away from her attacker for just a bit. [/*]

I have never known a male Marine that had a dull knife. Many collect knives and swords and they keep them very sharp.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Maybe he is the one that left for awhile and came back to this. If he saw the knife wound to the neck and all of the blood around her maybe he believed CSL if she told him Maria came there and went nuts and sliced her throat in front of her.:shrug:

I really don't know what to think concerning this case. In all the years I have been here I have never suspected the spouse when the other spouse has been charged with a murder but I must be honest, I do have a big problem with CSL and her possible involvement in this crime. It wouldn't take two brain cells for him to know because of the circumstances he was the one they were going to blame for this.

He had family outside of this country. CSL does not.

imoo [/*]
I too believe they both have a motive for wanting Maria and the baby dead, and that's why it keeps coming back to could Mrs. CL have been involved in all of it or just the cover up. I sure don't think she was unaware of what happened and just found out the day they went to see the attorney. In the end when he left I think he was given an ultimatum ~ write the notes and get out of here.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

And the Probate file lists 16-Dec-07 as DOD:rolleyes: [/*]

Oh good grief.........dont they want their daughter's death date to be correct?

imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right and if he was going to make it look like suicide why wasn't it a slash across the entire neck instead of a superficial wound at an angle on one side of her neck only? Sounds like something a woman would do not a man imo

Oh my gosh at the rage that would come spewing out if she not only found them together there alone but found out he had bought the baby an outfit too. Smoke :flamemad: would have been coming out of her ears.

imoo [/*]

GB, if you look at the diagrams in the autopsy report you will see the slash is on the left side of the neck. She was laying on her right side in the pit.

I believe Cesar took a little time to figure out what his story would be if needed. What he would tell Christina ect. I believe when he decided on the suicide story, he went to the pit and removed some of the dirt. He then reached in and cut the part of the throat that was visible to him which was the left side. I don't believe he would have touched or moved Maria to go any further around the neck.

Also, I still believe her right thigh and waist area would have contained some remnants of clothes if she were wearing anything from the waist down.

Edit to add I think you are projecting how you would feel in Christina's place because none of us know how she would act.

JMO

[Pag Boi]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Maybe he is the one that left for awhile and came back to this. If he saw the knife wound to the neck and all of the blood around her maybe he believed CSL if she told him Maria came there and went nuts and sliced her throat in front of her.:shrug:

I really don't know what to think concerning this case. In all the years I have been here I have never suspected the spouse when the other spouse has been charged with a murder but I must be honest, I do have a big problem with CSL and her possible involvement in this crime. It wouldn't take two brain cells for him to know because of the circumstances he was the one they were going to blame for this.

He had family outside of this country. CSL does not.



imoo [/*]

ITA Gentle Breeze.I am hesitant to condemn the accused before trial. I surprise myself how strongly I suspect CSL .......... of something hammer

Even if a CL came home and then went back out, I am thinking hmmm more alibi. I do wonder where the child was. That disturbs me almost as much as ML's inhumane demise.

But thinking like a mruderer, if you can kill, your kid's welfare is not a priority.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


GB, if you look at the diagrams in the autopsy report you will see the slash is on the left side of the neck. She was laying on her right side in the pit.

I believe Cesar took a little time to figure out what his story would be if needed. What he would tell Christina ect. I believe when he decided on the suicide story, he went to the pit and removed some of the dirt. He then reached in and cut the part of the throat that was visible to him which was the left side. I don't believe he would have touched or moved Maria to go any further around the neck.

Also, I still believe her right thigh and waist area would have contained some remnants of clothes if she were wearing anything from the waist down.

Edit to add I think you are projecting how you would feel in Christina's place because none of us know how she would act.

JMO [/*]

I consider Christina to have the normal reaction that most other women would have under the same circumstances. I do not think she would be all calm and sweet if she found the woman whom she had accused of more or less ruining their lives, in her own home with her husband and they were alone. Yes I do think she would be furious. She had stood by this man every step of the way since the allegations began.........yep she would be livid imo.

I am not sure, it will depend on where most of the heat radiated and what fibers made up certain fabric. That will be left up to the fiber experts and fibers can even be found in the soil samples.

If he did all that then it would be easy for the ME to confirm this slice was done after death..........he could not confirm that. So it very well could have happened before.......that will be a toss up when court begins imo due to the ME not being able to prove it either way.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never known a male Marine that had a dull knife. Many collect knives and swords and they keep them very sharp.

imoo [/*]

I'm thinking a kitchen knife of some sort was used. An yes many collect knives and swords but not all. Don't think CAL was a collector at least doesn't seem to me that he was. If he had the NCO sword those are not sharp. Don't know if they still do this but when I was in they would not allow Marines to take their bayonets home. They had to be turned into the armory after use or cleaning. They could not be taken off base. In our case, each hubby and I have the NCO sword and he's got a bayonet that is part of the plaque that was given to him as a farewell gift.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Pag Boi

<respectfully snipped>

But thinking like a mruderer, if you can kill, your kid's welfare is not a priority. [/*]
Yes, Bobby Cutts comes to mind on that one. And Maria was probably carrying CL's child too, so yes, if someone can murder their own unborn child they don't think that much of the others they have either.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Calls about Laurean on AMW

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9 [/*]
Thanks Lynn. I found this part interesting:
I’d like to reiterate something Capt. Rick Sutherland with the Onslow County Sheriff’s Department said in the comment section to one of my articles about Laurean. If you have specific information about a particular case please inform law-enforcement. I’d like a call too
http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?cat=4

Now, if I had info. I sure wouldn't call a newspaper crime reporter with the chance my name would be leaked :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


I'm thinking a kitchen knife of some sort was used. An yes many collect knives and swords but not all. Don't think CAL was a collector at least doesn't seem to me that he was. If he had the NCO sword those are not sharp. Don't know if they still do this but when I was in they would not allow Marines to take their bayonets home. They had to be turned into the armory after use or cleaning. They could not be taken off base. In our case, each hubby and I have the NCO sword and he's got a bayonet that is part of the plaque that was given to him as a farewell gift. [/*]

I think most male Marines favor the K-Bar Knife. It is one of the "must have" knifes if one is a Marine, it seems.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Pag Boi


ITA Gentle Breeze.I am hesitant to condemn the accused before trial. I surprise myself how strongly I suspect CSL .......... of something hammer

Even if a CL came home and then went back out, I am thinking hmmm more alibi. I do wonder where the child was. That disturbs me almost as much as ML's inhumane demise.

But thinking like a murderer, if you can kill, your kid's welfare is not a priority. [/*]

Hi Pag!

This is all new for me too.

I am sure because CL was suppose to attend the party also that their daughter was staying with someone else when this happened unless it happened once CSL came back in and I am sure she had then probably picked up their daughter from the babysitter's.

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think most male Marines favor the K-Bar Knife. It is one of the "must have" knifes if one is a Marine, it seems.

imoo [/*]
I just Googled images of that knife and several images featured show a knife with two edges, flat and serrated, on the same blade. Scary looking!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Calls about Laurean on AMW

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=9 [/*]

Thanks Lynn!

While you're here....do you think you can find the link where either Sheriff Brown or CS said that they believe Maria went to Cesar's home willingly?

Some posters earlier said they missed that.

TIA

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I consider Christina to have the normal reaction that most other women would have under the same circumstances. I do not think she would be all calm and sweet if she found the woman whom she had accused of more or less ruining their lives, in her own home with her husband and they were alone. Yes I do think she would be furious. She had stood by this man every step of the way since the allegations began.........yep she would be livid imo.

I am not sure, it will depend on where most of the heat radiated and what fibers made up certain fabric. That will be left up to the fiber experts and fibers can even be found in the soil samples.

If he did all that then it would be easy for the ME to confirm this slice was done after death..........he could not confirm that. So it very well could have happened before.......that will be a toss up when court begins imo due to the ME not being able to prove it either way.

imoo [/*]

Oh, I think it will be proved to a jury with no problem. Especially with Cesar's note. I believe the ME will be able to testify to that slash being way after death. It appears to have been done with Maria already in the pit.

There would be more to the clothes then little tiny pieces.

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think most male Marines favor the K-Bar Knife. It is one of the "must have" knifes if one is a Marine, it seems.

imoo [/*]

Yup K-Bar/Bayonet in a war situation. And obviously you probably already know that they are available for purchase on the street. Had he used a K-Bar/Bayonet the cut would've been deeper unless no real force was used. I always say bayonet due to the command "fix bayonets"........

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Oh, I think it will be proved to a jury with no problem. Especially with Cesar's note. I believe the ME will be able to testify to that slash being way after death.

jmo [/*]

Anytime a ME states in their report that something "may have" shows he is only guessing.

Yes the defense attorney will bring that up and point blank ask him can he say with certainty that it was done after death and being the honorable honest man he is he will answer "no, I cannot."

imo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Anytime a ME states in their report that something "may have" shows he is only guessing.

Yes the defense attorney will bring that up and point blank ask him can he say with certainty that it was done after death and being the honorable honest man he is he will answer "no, I cannot."

imo [/*]


Yes he will be able to testify to the slash being after death with the rest of the evidence to show that. He stated may have because the investigation was continuing.

MEs never just guess.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Yup K-Bar/Bayonet in a war situation. And obviously you probably already know that they are available for purchase on the street. Had he used a K-Bar/Bayonet the cut would've been deeper unless no real force was used. I always say bayonet due to the command "fix bayonets"........ [/*]

They are available for purchase right on the base there in Jacksonville.

The many times we have been there and always wind up at the Mall ........the busiest stores seem to be the cutlery stores and it is wall to wall Marines in there buying assorted knives, swords and other paraphernalia.

imoo

[Charlotte]

I don't believe it will matter much, as the cause of death was the blunt force trauma to the head. The ME did state, and would surely testify to, the fact that the neck wound was superficial, not involving any "critical structures," and did not cause her death.

Whether it was administered before or after her death is peripheral to the fact that she was killed by a blow(s) to the head. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

I don't know if the ME will be able to testify as to whether the throat cut was pre or post-mortem, but I think the ME will be able to say that it was not a lethal cut.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



Yes he will be able to testify to the slash being after death with the rest of the evidence to show that. He stated may have because the investigation was continuing.

MEs never just guess.

imo [/*]

:confused: LOL

Of course he guessed that is why he wrote up his report and said "may have."

ME do not have the answers to everything and they very honestly, when asked, admit that.:shrug:

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I don't know if the ME will be able to testify as to whether the throat cut was pre or post-mortem, but I think the ME will be able to say that it was not a lethal cut.

JMO [/*]

the wound may have been caused by an exacto-knife or a box-
cutter......I have never heard that they have recovered THE knife...has anyone else?

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh good grief.........dont they want their daughter's death date to be correct?

imoo [/*]

Which date is correct?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


They are available for purchase right on the base there in Jacksonville.
~snipped[/*]
Ka-Bar knives of ALL types can be ordered online also.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Charlotte
I don't believe it will matter much, as the cause of death was the blunt force trauma to the head. The ME did state, and would surely testify to, the fact that the neck wound was superficial, not involving any "critical structures," and did not cause her death.

Whether it was administered before or after her death is peripheral to the fact that she was killed by a blow(s) to the head. IMO [/*]

I agree and wonder why some posters are concerned with the cut. It was probably done with a pocket knife. Just saying.........It sure has nothing to do with Christina IMO.

JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Anytime a ME states in their report that something "may have" shows he is only guessing.

Yes the defense attorney will bring that up and point blank ask him can he say with certainty that it was done after death and being the honorable honest man he is he will answer "no, I cannot."

imo [/*]
I know that happens but I don't think it will be a big issue in this case since it wasn't the cause of death. Even assuming that Maria had inflicted the wound to her neck, someone else bludgeoned her head. It's a lot clearer than another case ;) where suicide was brought up as the defense.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



Yes he will be able to testify to the slash being after death with the rest of the evidence to show that. He stated may have because the investigation was continuing.

MEs never just guess.

imo [/*]

I don't understand. So the ME says "may have" so the LE can fill in the sequence? Just askin'

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


I'm thinking a kitchen knife of some sort was used. An yes many collect knives and swords but not all. Don't think CAL was a collector at least doesn't seem to me that he was. If he had the NCO sword those are not sharp. Don't know if they still do this but when I was in they would not allow Marines to take their bayonets home. They had to be turned into the armory after use or cleaning. They could not be taken off base. In our case, each hubby and I have the NCO sword and he's got a bayonet that is part of the plaque that was given to him as a farewell gift. [/*]

Bayonets are kept with your weapon in the armory. You check it out when you need it.

I never bought a Kbar or any other knife when I was in. I was given a Spec War fighting knife-similar to a Kbar-when I got out. It was mounted on a plaque. But there are many Marines who do buy Kbars. My husband bought one and he kept it in his barracks room. IMO, I don't think the knife wound was due to a Kbar though.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:confused: LOL

Of course he guessed that is why he wrote up his report and said "may have."

ME do not have the answers to everything and they very honestly, when asked, admit that.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

We shall see.;)

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:confused: LOL

Of course he guessed that is why he wrote up his report and said "may have."

ME do not have the answers to everything and they very honestly, when asked, admit that.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

I don't think he guessed.....he saw the wound and his statement
means he was unable to determine if it occured before or after death due to the state the body was presented.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I don't know if the ME will be able to testify as to whether the throat cut was pre or post-mortem, but I think the ME will be able to say that it was not a lethal cut.

JMO [/*]

Now I certainly do believe he can determine that. There had to be enough tissue left so that he could tell the slash was not deep enough and did not hit any vital spots to be lethal.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


the wound may have been caused by an exacto-knife or a box-
cutter......I have never heard that they have recovered THE knife...has anyone else? [/*]

I haven't heard/read anything about the knife being recovered.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by JanDoe


the wound may have been caused by an exacto-knife or a box-
cutter......I have never heard that they have recovered THE knife...has anyone else? [/*]
Not that I've read they haven't.

In my opinion that cut could have come from other than a knife, heck I've cut myself on a hand trowel.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't understand. So the ME says "may have" so the LE can fill in the sequence? Just askin' [/*]

No, they do work together to get to the truth though. It can take time. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


They are available for purchase right on the base there in Jacksonville.

The many times we have been there and always wind up at the Mall ........the busiest stores seem to be the cutlery stores and it is wall to wall Marines in there buying assorted knives, swords and other paraphernalia.

imoo [/*]

Bunch of motivated young Marines I'd say. If they lived in the barracks wonder where they kept them as weapons of any type aren't allowed in the barracks. Not doubting that they buy them at the J'ville mall, I'm sure that happens, just thinking outloud.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Not that I've read they haven't.

In my opinion that cut could have come from other than a knife, heck I've cut myself on a hand trowel. [/*]

exactly......there are a lot of things in a garage that can cause
cuts.....

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Not that I've read they haven't.

In my opinion that cut could have come from other than a knife, heck I've cut myself on a hand trowel. [/*]

Ivy, it must be getting close to my bedtime, because at first I read that as "heck I've cut myself on a hand towel" !! :lol:

ITA that the cut could have come from a number of things.

[scillak]

So.....under the scenario where Maria's neck was cut post-mortem for the suicide coverup, the cutter surely wasn't careful or didn't understand anatomy or could hardly bear to do it. I wouldn't know how deep to go. And, if it's post-mortem, there's no benefit of blood to know you've got it right. But, don't you think you'd tend to overcut since it's for your cover-up narrative? I find it odd that it's superficial. It almost makes me think that the person who did it was having a lot of trouble doing it. Obviously I'm making that up - just a thought.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Charlotte


Ivy, it must be getting close to my bedtime, because at first I read that as "heck I've cut myself on a hand towel" !! :lol:

ITA that the cut could have come from a number of things. [/*]

:lol: I read it as a towel also.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Charlotte


Ivy, it must be getting close to my bedtime, because at first I read that as "heck I've cut myself on a hand towel" !! :lol:

ITA that the cut could have come from a number of things. [/*]
LOL, I can completely understand that.

My mind was wondering about Marines and knives and I thought of my young niece and if her husband owns any knives, they didn't even have steak knives the last I was there :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Charlotte


Which date is correct? [/*]

I don't know.

OCSD says 14th
Maria's personal myspace has the 15th
The Lauderbach Probate filing has the 16th.
The Lauderbach family obit stated the 15th.
Laurean is supposed to have said it happened on 15th.

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

I know that happens but I don't think it will be a big issue in this case since it wasn't the cause of death. Even assuming that Maria had inflicted the wound to her neck, someone else bludgeoned her head. It's a lot clearer than another case ;) where suicide was brought up as the defense. [/*]

I think it may come to be a very big issue in the case.

How long and deep was this cut. I have forgotten the exact dimensions.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't know.

OCSD says 14th
Maria's personal myspace has the 15th
The Lauderbach Probate filing has the 16th.
The Lauderbach family obit stated the 15th.
Laurean is supposed to have said it happened on 15th.

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: [/*]

I think OCSD has stated the 14th because they can prove
contact on that date and can also prove ML was alive on that
date. They have nothing for the 15th.

[strick10]

Another question. Because the of the condition of the body is it right for me to think that the LE and ME can not for sure determine what type of weapon was used to kill her? Can that only be determined once the skull reconstruction has been reviewed?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I think OCSD has stated the 14th because they can prove
contact on that date and can also prove ML was alive on that
date. They have nothing for the 15th. [/*]
Which in reality means nothing but speculation. Just because that was the last time she was seen or used her cell phone doesn't mean positive that was the last day she was alive.

JMO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Which in reality means nothing but speculation. Just because that was the last time she was seen or used her cell phone doesn't mean positive that was the last day she was alive.

JMO [/*]

They have to have a time in order to charge.....they are neutral and staying with the facts.....

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think it may come to be a very big issue in the case.

How long and deep was this cut. I have forgotten the exact dimensions.

imoo [/*]
I think GB the best the ME can do in SOME instances is make an Educated Guess when a corpse has reached an advanced stage of decomp coupled with charring prior.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
Another question. Because the of the condition of the body is it right for me to think that the LE and ME can not for sure determine what type of weapon was used to kill her? Can that only be determined once the skull reconstruction has been reviewed? [/*]

Yes, once they reconstruct her skull and try to place the skull fragments back it can tell them the point of contact and what size weapon caused it. The impact of the force of the weapon when making contact causes the skull to cave in more in that area that takes the most force. They will also be able to determine fractures that splintered out around the direct hit.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I think GB the best the ME can do in SOME instances is make an Educated Guess when a corpse has reached an advanced stage of decomp coupled with charring prior. [/*]

Yes that is what they do.

Although he was able to measure the depth of the wound and how long it was so I think when it comes to the knife wound her tissues may have been in better shape than part of her torso and lower extremities.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Pag Boi


ITA Gentle Breeze.I am hesitant to condemn the accused before trial. I surprise myself how strongly I suspect CSL .......... of something hammer

Even if a CL came home and then went back out, I am thinking hmmm more alibi. I do wonder where the child was. That disturbs me almost as much as ML's inhumane demise.

But thinking like a mruderer, if you can kill, your kid's welfare is not a priority. [/*]

Ain't that the truth Pag. Given that, you could make room for IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND too. IF Christina could possibly stay there knowing her husband had a woman buried in the backyard one night she could do one month too from my POV.

The child was secondary if she didn't get her child as well as herself away from him immediately.

ALL JMO.:(

I guess worrying about beer and myspace takes precedence over the thought of incorrect dates of death and that is JMO. :(

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes that is what they do.

Although he was able to measure the depth of the wound and how long it was so I think when it comes to the knife wound her tissues may have been in better shape than part of her torso and lower extremities.

imoo [/*]
Yes, it must have been, although the cut may have been caused by falling on something sharp, or for that matter maybe Maria did it to herself :shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Yes, once they reconstruct her skull and try to place the skull fragments back it can tell them the point of contact and what size weapon caused it. The impact of the force of the weapon when making contact causes the skull to cave in more in that area that takes the most force. They will also be able to determine fractures that splintered out around the direct hit.

imoo [/*]

Thanks GB! IMO I don't think it was the rumored "crowbar" I'm thinking a hammer. Something that wasn't borrowed and probably around their home.

[strick10]

Typed in h a m m e r in my last post and got the icon,,,,,,night all!
:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10
Typed in h a m m e r in my last post and got the icon,,,,,,night all!
:seeya: [/*]
:D Nite strick!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I consider Christina to have the normal reaction that most other women would have under the same circumstances. I do not think she would be all calm and sweet if she found the woman whom she had accused of more or less ruining their lives, in her own home with her husband and they were alone. Yes I do think she would be furious. She had stood by this man every step of the way since the allegations began.........yep she would be livid imo.

*snipped*

[/*]

Only thing with your reasoning here, GB, re "normal reaction that most other women would have".....you have to then translate that into possible murder or at least complicity in a murder. I don't think that is "normal" for most women. So very possibly Christina may have been livid about everything having to do with Maria, "like most normal women" but not livid enough "like most normal women" to have anything to do with a murder of the other woman.

IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
Typed in h a m m e r in my last post and got the icon,,,,,,night all!
:seeya: [/*]

It did the same to me the other day. lol

G'night!

:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Only thing with your reasoning here, GB, re "normal reaction that most other women would have".....you have to then translate that into possible murder or at least complicity in a murder. I don't think that is "normal" for most women. So very possibly Christina may have been livid about everything having to do with Maria, "like most normal women" but not livid enough "like most normal women" to have anything to do with a murder of the other woman.

IMO. [/*]

But what cant be denied though is women do murder and jealous is one of those factors and seething vengence.

I saw a factoid on TruTv Friday and it said that even though women commit violent crimes much less than men they are guilty 50% of the time when it comes to murdering children. So I don't put anything past women or what they are capable of doing in certain situations. Just because most do not murder, which most men in our country don't murder either......both genders do.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Shoot anyone can buy a K-Bar at Saigon Sam's (it's a military surplus store). Plus they are forever having a knife and gun show at the NG Armory over by the fairgrounds.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


Thanks GB! IMO I don't think it was the rumored "crowbar" I'm thinking a hammer. Something that wasn't borrowed and probably around their home. [/*]

I was thinking for the size of the wound (5x4) it could have been done with an e-tool.

jmo

[martha]

GOOD NIGHT MY FRIENDS SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW i keep hoping tomorrow will be the day they will catch cl:rose:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by IvySterling

And the Probate file lists 16-Dec-07 as DOD:rolleyes: [/*]

Oh for petesakes.

:rolleyes:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


snipped

I believe the ME will be able to testify to that slash being way after death. It appears to have been done with Maria already in the pit.

[/*]

Huh?

How you figure it was done after the body was in the pit?

And certainly the ME will not be able to testify being "way after death." The ME couldn't even say with any certainty that it was done after death.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


. She was laying on her right side in the pit.

snipped[/*]

How do you know that?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



Yes he will be able to testify to the slash being after death with the rest of the evidence to show that. He stated may have because the investigation was continuing.

MEs never just guess.

imo [/*]'

No, no and no.

The autopsy has nothing to do with a continuing investigation.

Nothing at all.

The ME could not tell if the slash was pre or post mortem. It is never going to be anything other than that.

But, yeah, ME's never just guess.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't understand. So the ME says "may have" so the LE can fill in the sequence? Just askin' [/*]

Of course not.

That was a preposterous thing to say.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


No, they do work together to get to the truth though. It can take time. JMO [/*]

It seems that you are a bit confused about what the ME does in a case.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by nelkirk


snipped


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/12/missing.marine/index.html [/*]

Thank you very much, nel.

[martha]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY maybe some good news today:rose:

[martha]

GENTLEBREEZE hope you or better today check you pm. :rose:

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by nelkirk


I just watched the Greta Tour and nowhere does anyone say anything about dirt added or even that there was fresh dirt. SB tells Greta that there was a pile of dirt about 6-8 inches high sitting there leftover from the hole being filled...but nothing at all about disturbing the "grave" after she was buried. [/*]

Those comments were in the video tour of the crime scene done by Trace Gallagher from FOX:

Trace Gallagher says ... they believe that he dug down about 2-1/2 or 3 feet and put Lauterbach's body there, and then used the sections of the fence on top of her and lit them on fire. The Medical Examiner says that because it was so charred he believes the fire burned very hot and for a very long time. Then, when there was nothing but ash, he put more mud and more dirt on top. Police believe this took several hours if not a couple of days. (@50 seconds in the video countdown)

http://tinyurl.com/2kx2d2

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Thanks Lynn!

While you're here....do you think you can find the link where either Sheriff Brown or CS said that they believe Maria went to Cesar's home willingly?

Some posters earlier said they missed that.

TIA [/*]

:seeya: cryme.

Perhaps someone else does because I've not been able to find that link or video where that is expressed by SB or RS. I've read and heard the term 'willingly' in many articles and videos, but in terms of Maria going UA as in Maria Lauterbach had left willingly on her own from what I've been able to find.

If it can be isolated to a time frame when it was said or the actual phrase/wording used by SB, RS, to say Maria went to the Laurean home 'willingly' or a term closely related, I'll see what I can find or hopefully someone who has that link can post it.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nelkirk



I wonder if Maria was right or left handed? [/*]

Morning...

I am sure they know the answer to that by now wouldn't you think?

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