Officials question kids at Warren Jeffs retreat

[Justice_Dawg]

ELDORADO, Texas - State welfare investigators sealed off a secretive religious retreat built by jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs in order to investigate the treatment of children there, officials said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_leader_retreat

[Carol25]

Originally posted by Justice_Dawg
ELDORADO, Texas - State welfare investigators sealed off a secretive religious retreat built by jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs in order to investigate the treatment of children there, officials said Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_leader_retreat [/*]
I would certainly be interested in knowing what the people were being arrested for (it could be a variety of things) and what the children were saying in the interviews. I hope we hear more.

[cleo612]

A more in-depth article:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html

(CNN) -- Texas authorities are investigating "the safety of children" at a ranch occupied by about 400 followers of polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs, officials said Friday.


An aerial view taken last year shows some living quarters at polygamist leader Warren Jeffs' Texas ranch.

1 of 2 Authorities have sealed off the 1,900-acre ranch near Eldorado and no one is allowed to enter or leave, officials with Child Protective Services and the Department of Public Safety said.

The people living at the ranch are cooperating, authorities said.

Escorted by police, social workers entered the compound in south central Texas at 8 p.m. Thursday after receiving "a referral," said Child Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner. Watch police seal off the compound »

Child Protective Services "is conducting an investigation into safety issues of the children who live within the compound," she said.

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More info at link posted above.

[StickyBeak]

Officials Serve Warrants at Jeffs' Ranch


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officials-serve-warrants-at-jeffs-ranch/n20080404133609990018?ecid=RSS0001

[sarahhod]

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr04/0,4670,PolygamistRetreat,00.html

[juliekan]

I have family who lives about 80 miles from this compound. The people of Eldorado were appalled when they found out what was being built out there...that's pure Bible Belt and definantly not poligamy country. Law Enforcement has been very nervous about the whole thing...I know everyone thinks about the Branch Dividians. I would hope that some of the girls they took in could escape this lifestyle, but I'm sure they don't want to lose their families, and have been raised to be afraid of hell fire and damnation if they were to say anything bad about anyone:(. I hope at least the one person that filed the complaint escapes.

[juliekan]

6 pm news reports that 18 girls are in custody at this point from age 6 months to 17 years of age. I guess just for interviews? (how do you interview a 6 mo old?) They showed a Baptist church bus driving them away from the compound...that is somehow funny...couldn't they have used a school bus or something? :o

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by juliekan
6 pm news reports that 18 girls are in custody at this point from age 6 months to 17 years of age. I guess just for interviews? (how do you interview a 6 mo old?) They showed a Baptist church bus driving them away from the compound...that is somehow funny...couldn't they have used a school bus or something? :o [/*]

Here is a Link (http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20080404/APA/804040727/Children_Removed_From_Desert_Compound)

[texski]

the problem is to find a legal way to get into these compounds. another poster on the warren jeffs board said that texasdoes no have any oversight on home schooled children. if they were required to take yearly tests, i would be possible to see if they were being taught anything, except their cults doctrine.
if they dont go to school, they dont have to have vacines, either, do they?
at the old place in utah most of the children and extra wives of these dirty old men were all on welfare of one kind or another. so we are paying for the kids and the church leaders takes all the money for themselves.
i should think that the federal government should be able to do something, but have never heard any of them try.
the only thing i can think of would be if they are making the young men and women work with machinery at an age that is not allowed by fed work rules.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Justice_Dawg


Here is a Link (http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20080404/APA/804040727/Children_Removed_From_Desert_Compound) [/*]
Thanks. To further pinpoint their location, they are close to San Angelo TX.

[wandering]

Originally posted by texski
the problem is to find a legal way to get into these compounds. another poster on the warren jeffs board said that texasdoes no have any oversight on home schooled children. if they were required to take yearly tests, i would be possible to see if they were being taught anything, except their cults doctrine.
if they dont go to school, they dont have to have vacines, either, do they?
at the old place in utah most of the children and extra wives of these dirty old men were all on welfare of one kind or another. so we are paying for the kids and the church leaders takes all the money for themselves.
i should think that the federal government should be able to do something, but have never heard any of them try.
the only thing i can think of would be if they are making the young men and women work with machinery at an age that is not allowed by fed work rules. [/*]I hope that's not true about the federal aid being taken by the men.

Innocent children should never be deprived of food and medical care just because the adults are abusing the system.

I suspect that is why the feds aren't doing anything about these plural wives and families.

They should be investigating the abuse of this "religion." I've read that it's illegal to be plurally married, but if they're not marrying by legal means, the children are considered without legitimacy, and still have to be cared for, just as any single parent's child would be.

What to do?

[cleo612]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html


ELDORADO, Texas (CNN) -- Authorities say they removed 52 children, ages 6 months to 17 years, from a West Texas ranch occupied by followers of imprisoned polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs.

Texas authorties stand in front of a bus they used to transport children from a FLDS compound Friday.

Eighteen girls have been placed in the temporary custody of the state under a court order, said Child Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.

Authorities said they continue to search the 1,900-acre YFZ ranch, and at least one suspect is being sought by police.

Meisner said troopers and child welfare officials arrived at the secluded ranch Thursday evening with arrest and search warrants. They were responding to a report of "physical abuse" and neglect involving a 16-year-old girl. At this point in the investigation, she added, the abuse does not appear to be sexual.

Another Child Protective Services spokesman, Darrell Azar, said the 18 girls were placed in state custody because it appeared that they "had been abused or were at immediate risk of future
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More info posted at link above

[juliekan]

some of the girls were pregnant, room full of babies unattended...

www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=8119046

[juliekan]

the 18 who were removed by court order were thought to be abused, neglected or at risk

www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5674781.html

[juliekan]

"According to state law, a girl younger than 16 cannot be married, not even with parental consent. According to the warrent, the girl turned 16 in January and has a baby about 8 months old."

http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/04/eldorado0404/

[Details]

I'd be pretty darn sure it's true about the men taking all the federal aid. This is just a scamming cult - the men get all the money and multiple young wives, they keep control with threats of damnation and isolation, and kick out a bunch of the young boys when they get old enough for a wife, so they'll have enough girls to give the old men multiple wives. It's a very sick, sick group.

I've heard before about them working all the kids from an early age, not in safe environments too. When they get a little older, and generally not old enough (wouldn't want them to be able to think for themselves), the girls are married off to older guys. The guys - unless they've shown how very properly brainwashed, loyal, and unscrupulous they are - are thrown away, kicked out for any pretext, so there will be enough girls for the multiple wives the cult demands. They've got it pretty rough - no skills, no understanding of the real world, little education, and a belief that they're worthless because they aren't in the cult anymore. IIRC, there was a documentary about them. Very sad.


I'm glad the gov't is stepping in - whether a cult or a militia - no one should be able to set up their own mini-government on American soil and break laws and harm children there.

[juliekan]

Preview of a documentary about polygamy under Warren Jeffs...is almost 10 minutes long but worth the watch

Damned to Heaven

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cTk2cJQac

[juliekan]

And Warren Jeffs is a racist?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jackson-williams/mormon-cuHist-warren-jef_*_66129.html

[texski]

warren jeffs second trial was supposed to start march 19. it has been delayed until fall.
one web site i was told about is http://texaspolygamy.blogspot.com.
it is interesting, but sometimes wierd.
local news paper is www.myeldorado.net.
i hope the arrests stay in the news, people really need to know more about this cult, for the sake of the children and the women who are born in this lifestyle and find themselves unable to get out. a great book was written by a women who anaged to leave, with her children, is ESCAPE, by carolyn jessop,, broadway books, new york.
i could not understand before why the women stayed there, this told me why

[walton]

http://www.myeldorado.net/

Buses from Schleicher County ISD and First Baptist Church of Eldorado were pressed into service Friday to transport 167 children away from the YFZ Ranch where they had been removed from their parents custody by Texas Child Protective Services in accordance with a court order issued by 51st District Judge Barbara Walther.

The children range in age from 6 months of 17 years. There are 96 boys and 71 girls. CPS is trying to determine if the parents of the babies are among the young girls they took into custody, or if the parents even live at the YFZ Ranch.

CPS is seeking immediate temporary custody of 18 of the children while the remainder are to be interviewed to determine if they are "at risk."



I do believe I love the state of Texas. :patriot:

[texski]

my love for texas knows no bounds.
remember, texas, our texas, all hail our mighty state, texas, our texas, so beautiful, so great. have not sung that song since i was in grade school in honey island, texas. hope i got it right.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.myeldorado.net/

Buses from Schleicher County ISD and First Baptist Church of Eldorado were pressed into service Friday to transport 167 children away from the YFZ Ranch where they had been removed from their parents custody by Texas Child Protective Services in accordance with a court order issued by 51st District Judge Barbara Walther.

The children range in age from 6 months of 17 years. There are 96 boys and 71 girls. CPS is trying to determine if the parents of the babies are among the young girls they took into custody, or if the parents even live at the YFZ Ranch.

CPS is seeking immediate temporary custody of 18 of the children while the remainder are to be interviewed to determine if they are "at risk."



I do believe I love the state of Texas. :patriot: [/*]
:patriot: Thank you very much, LE in Eldorado has been trying to "peacefully" get into the compound for years now. I'm happiest that from your report (which I did not see earlier) BOYS were also removed. I just hope the girl that filed the complaint got out of there, they had not identified her earlier in the day.
:patriot: Texas forever

[walton]

Pilots photos of the compound. http://web.sccn2.net/flds/02-19-08.htm

What started it all: http://web.sccn2.net/FLDS/Started.htm

More info: http://web.sccn2.net/FLDS/links.htm

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan

:patriot: Thank you very much, LE in Eldorado has been trying to "peacefully" get into the compound for years now. I'm happiest that from your report (which I did not see earlier) BOYS were also removed. I just hope the girl that filed the complaint got out of there, they had not identified her earlier in the day.
:patriot: Texas forever [/*]


I must tell you that I am quite impressed with the LE in this area. Sheriff Doran and others have acted imo very professional.

A big kudos to all those that stepped up to the plate.

[walton]

Originally posted by texski
my love for texas knows no bounds.
remember, texas, our texas, all hail our mighty state, texas, our texas, so beautiful, so great. have not sung that song since i was in grade school in honey island, texas. hope i got it right. [/*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2OHR0F5GIo

Dean Martin Ricky Nelson- my rifle pony and me.

:) 2008 version The pony was a bus.

[juliekan]

Texski and Walton:beer:

www.myeldorado.net has great stories about Sheriff Doran and the research he did on the sect that moved into his sleepy little county. I'm very impressed. Also there is Texas Rep. Harvey Hilderbran's House Bill 3006 that he wrote and started to push through as soon as they realized that the polygamist sect was settling in Eldorado. It raises the marriageable age to 16 for girls in Texas, with or without parental consent, and makes it illegal for step-parents and step-children to get married.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Aame


Baptist buses usually are, painted over school buses.

They don't have the choice. However, they were there to step up. [/*]
No must be a prosperous church, was like a real nice van...No harm intended by the remark it was just sorta ironic to see the baptists haulin' off the kids from the sect. (I was raised Church of Christ...we're almost exactly alike!) I'm sure they were the happiest people in the world to get this great opportunity to help out.:rose: to them for steppin' up.

[sheltiemom]

The written articles keep stressing the compound residents are FULLY cooperating....however in one of the news videos, the sheriff had to bring in armored personnel carriers and treaten to run over the men who parked their trucks in the way of their entry to the compound. Not what I would call fully cooperating. I hope they are able to FULLY search and get all the underaged girls (and boys if they wish to leave).

I did watch a special on the other 2 compounds the followers of Jeffs have and the poor children and women have been so brainwashed that some of them will probably not ask to be kept away and will most likely protest.

The special talked of how most of the women and children do qualify for food stamps and (if I recall correctly ) cash assistance while the cult is actually very wealthy and could very adequately take care of these women and children without the government assistance they receive. They had beautifuly furnished buildings.

The dirty old men of the cult find any reason - or basically no reason - to xcommunicate the young men and run them out of town to keep from the girls having a choice but to marry the old men in the forced family arranged marriages.

The young men who are run out of town are ill equiped to make it in the real world and there were so many that the local towns folkis took notice and tried to help them assimilate.

I pray that all these young girls can be kept away from the cult until they can see what the world is like and understand they do not have to go back to these old men and incestuous marriages.

I applaud this judge and sheriff and all who are working to rescue these young people. May God be with them.

[juliekan]

Yes, we can't forget the "Lost Boys". That's why I was so glad to hear that there were some boys removed from the compound in Eldorado. Here's how the FLDS boys have fared in other places.


http://www.kcpw.org/article/5352

[dicee]

Were these kids put in foster care? Sometimes,foster care is not much better then cults.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by dicee
Were these kids put in foster care? Sometimes,foster care is not much better then cults. [/*]
You've got to remember this is a sleepy little country town. I have cousins that live in San Angelo which is where some were taken, and it's got more than 2 red lights in town (that's all Eldorado has), but its a nice countrified, bible belt city. They should be safe. God willing...

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes there were signs of imminent danger that these women, and children were in. Good for them. I hope they all get a taste of the real world and NEVER look back.

The Warren Jeffs Cult, is coming to an end. It may take a few more years, but hopefully they will round them all up. Wait until the rape trial for her husbands case goes to trial. I believe he will be found guilty as well. Someone needs to care enough to rescue these women, wouldnt you give them a room in your home to save their life if you had the room? I know I would.

But the children, they are innocent, and they are being brainwashed. It's sick. :cuss:

CT [/*]Yes, I would.

[walton]

http://www.childbrides.org/sex_Fox11_more_CC_men_indicted.html

Dale Evans Barlow was one of the eight men that they took to court 2 years ago. At that time Judge Steven Conn sentenced him to 45 days.


Maybe if Judge Steven Conn would have sentenced him longer this young girl wouldn't be a victim today.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html

According to the search warrant, authorities are seeking Dale Barlow, 50, who they suspect of having married and fathered a child with a 16-year-old girl.

[Justice_Dawg]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.childbrides.org/sex_Fox11_more_CC_men_indicted.html

Dale Evans Barlow was one of the eight men that they took to court 2 years ago. At that time Judge Steven Conn sentenced him to 45 days.


Maybe if Judge Steven Conn would have sentenced him longer this young girl wouldn't be a victim today.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html

According to the search warrant, authorities are seeking Dale Barlow, 50, who they suspect of having married and fathered a child with a 16-year-old girl. [/*]

45 days?? :cuss: :flamemad:

[walton]

Originally posted by Justice_Dawg


45 days?? :cuss: :flamemad: [/*]


My mistake. It was Kelly Fischer who got 45 days.

Here is what Judge Steve Conn had to say about that sentencing. Check out the entry dated Aug. 4th 2006.

The practice of plural marriage isn't the only religious belief he finds odd.
Conn said he believes Fischer was motivated by "sincere religious" conviction when he took his 16-year-old stepdaughter as a plural wife.
But, Conn said, he personally finds polygamy an "abominable" belief. "I find it very hard to accept [that] someone can subscribe to a religion that allows them to have multiple wives at the same time," Conn said.


Some of the things he finds odd with other religions are NOT against the law. Nor do they include taking young children related or not as their plural wife.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by walton



I must tell you that I am quite impressed with the LE in this area. Sheriff Doran and others have acted imo very professional.

A big kudos to all those that stepped up to the plate. [/*]
That was my first thought as well! Very impressed!

[Carol25]

I am guessing the city has been preparing for them and have very thick files on them. They were ready to go when they got the call from the young girl. I assume they had to wait for "cause" to enter their compound to rescue any minors.

My guess the interviews included questions about child labor and what 'employment" is going on in there to establish that welfare fraud is likely. Then they can pursue charges upon the entire community. Let's hope. This is not Utah where LE, Judges and Senators are in their hip pockets!

[juliekan]

More members removed

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8823648?source=rss

[Pinetree]

Originally posted by flere
I have been listening/reading the explanations and gone on to research Mormonism accordingly, albeit not in-depth. I have to say I just don't get Mormonism from its core: "Jesus was a polygamist"?? "Men should be Gods"??
And from pictures in Walton's above link, to be forced to live around, let alone in anyway physically with these fuglies :chicken: [/*]

These people broke off from the mainstream Mormon church....who outlawed polygamy. This sect isn't Mormon no matter what they call themselves. Should be called pedophiles and child abusers, IMO.

[texski]

saturday night listi
ning to the bbc news and they had the story about the texas compound. worldwide coverage. way to go.
keeping the spotlight on these vermin is the only way to stop them. they cannot stand the light of the world watching them.
hooray for texas and those local officials.
and the judge and all those who are helping now. we are all proud of you.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html#cnnSTCOther1

183 people removed, including 137 children. Thats 3 kids per adult, but I am sure of the 46 "adults" there are a lot of young women in that number.

Does nayone know how many men they got?

Where do they work and get the money to built compounds like this??? [/*]

Because the law does not recognize plural marriages, only the marriage to the first wife is considered valid. The succeeding marriages are deemed invalid by law. Once those wives of the invalid marriages begin producing children, they begin applying for welfare benefits and food stamps. In the eyes of the law, these women are considered to be single mothers.

One of the mandates of Warren Jeffs, the so-called and self-proclaimed prophet, is that the men must pay to the "church" upwards of over $1000 per month. Jeffs can, and regularly does, demand that this amount be increased, depending upon what the needs of the "church" are at the time. This money comes from the welfare benefits that the plural wives are receiving.

Men in the FLDS who own businesses are required to turn over the majority of their profits to the "church." The homes that these followers live in are all owned by the "church" via a Trust that was set up by one of Warren Jeffs' predecessors.

In the Utah/Arizona community of Hildale, Utah and Colorado City, Arizona, the state prevailed in a lawsuit and is now allowing disenfranchised (or ousted) members of FLDS to buy back the homes that they built with their own money and that were previously owned by the FLDS Trust.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by juliekan
More members removed

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8823648?source=rss [/*]
Here Swark:)

[ms1950]

I am happy for those that are being removed from that place. I note that this article mentions that the 16 year old girl who made the call has not been located. Has anyone heard differently? Where is she? I hope she has not been harmed!


Bless the children:rose:

[dicee]

The mothers also were removed.So maybe the kids are still with their mothers.

[SoggyBayou]

Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346959,00.html

[Amy S.]

All of these women must be scared to death. This life is all they have known and they are raised to think that plural marriage is normal.

I am in AZ. and I remember reading about a similar raid here, in the 1950s. As I recall, it was a disaster because families were torn apart and the wives did not want to leave. The news showed 100s of kids and wives walking around screaming.

I don't understand cults, but have never been around one either. These poor people don't know any different and have no way to support themselves.

What a mess.

[wandering]

They still haven't found the girl or the baby.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080406/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

[Amy S.]

This is what I was thinking of The Short Creek raid.

Arizona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Creek_Raid)

[SoggyBayou]

Nor have they found,
"Authorities are seeking Dale Barlow, 50, seen in a mugshot from a 2005 arrest on child sex charges."
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/CRIME/04/05/texas.ranch/art.barlow.mugshot.jpg

Schleicher county is in Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleicher_County,_Texas

[juliekan]

OK, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but something is going down in Eldorado. If interested click on Eldorado Texas compound on your search engine above. I got 3 sites earlier that something big is going down...but when I listed the sites here, and then previewed them to make sure I typed them in correctly, they didn't work. Maybe it's just me, but I am getting really paranoid that none of them went through. Someone else check me out..:eek: :confused:

[MrsHadman]

Originally posted by Pinetree


These people broke off from the mainstream Mormon church....who outlawed polygamy. This sect isn't Mormon no matter what they call themselves. Should be called pedophiles and child abusers, IMO. [/*]

The LDS church hasn't actually OUTLAWED polygamy. This is a link to some scripture from the church:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/132#61

I believe, that they just don't "seal" them in the Temple anymore because polygamy is against the law.

[juliekan]

things are gettin' bad
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/world/2008/04/06/5205611-ap.html

[juliekan]

Originally posted by juliekan
things are gettin' bad
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/world/2008/04/06/5205611-ap.html [/*]
OK, i was just at this site, but when I post it it is all of a sudden not available, just like the previous 3. The devil has taken over my computer or there is something scary going on. Every time I try to post a new news site, it is "not available" when you click on it!!!!!

[juliekan]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/563146.html

conflict escalates
yes, the devil has left, my computer works now

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Aame
Don't know if you believe in the devil (satan) but it's for sure 'evil' is alive and well in the USA as in other places.

my puter sometimes get full of the devil, and I can't do a thing with it. ;) [/*]
The 'puter, the fam, the dogs (spelled (s)god backwards) we all get the devil in us sometimes, hope it leaves as fast as this thing on my computer did tonight!!!:)

[SoggyBayou]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/FLDS_4323.jpg

[Courthorn]

According to one of the articles I read it said that Dale Barlow was on probation and had to register as a sex offender. I know that all states have different rules, but how was this man allowed to live on this compound with hundreds of children (probably around a school as well) and under the supervision of a probation officer? I know that not all sex offenders have the same restrictions, but this would seem to me to be a very high risk situation for a sex offender to be in.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8824195

Barlow is a son of former Colorado City Mayor Dan Barlow; he also is one of eight Colorado City men accused by Arizona prosecutors in 2005 of marrying underage girls and committing sex crimes.
He pleaded no contest in April 2007 to conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor, and a second charge was dropped. The victim was a 16-year-old girl with whom he had a son.
Barlow was later sentenced to 45 days in jail and three years of probation.



Charges were dropped and he was later sentenced to 45 days in jail and 3 years of probation? How does that work?

[SoggyBayou]

walton, thank you for the link.
It's getting weird.
Why is the probation officer being so outspoken? That's a first.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by juliekan
I have family who lives about 80 miles from this compound. The people of Eldorado were appalled when they found out what was being built out there...that's pure Bible Belt and definantly not poligamy country. Law Enforcement has been very nervous about the whole thing...I know everyone thinks about the Branch Dividians. I would hope that some of the girls they took in could escape this lifestyle, but I'm sure they don't want to lose their families, and have been raised to be afraid of hell fire and damnation if they were to say anything bad about anyone:(. I hope at least the one person that filed the complaint escapes. [/*]
Just quoting myself, since I am still horribly worried about the girl that made the complaint and is still not found..

[juliekan]

I honestly don't know if this guy is a nut but he covers all kinds of sects. www.RickRoss.com

[juliekan]

Probably your best site for up to date info:
"SWAT team, surveilance aircraft assists..."
http://myeldorado.net

[Devotion]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.childbrides.org/sex_Fox11_more_CC_men_indicted.html

Dale Evans Barlow was one of the eight men that they took to court 2 years ago.
At that time Judge Steven Conn sentenced him to 45 days.


Maybe if Judge Steven Conn would have sentenced him longer this young girl wouldn't be a victim today.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/04/texas.ranch/index.html

According to the search warrant, authorities are seeking Dale Barlow, 50,

who they suspect of having married and fathered a child with a 16-year-old girl.... [/*]

WHY is it called a marriage at all ?
IF one (under age) person is being FORCED into the marriage against their will or because they have NO where to turn, why is it considered a marriage???

Imo it's a form of SLAVERY hiding behind names like: marriage and religion......jmo

[texski]

Originally posted by juliekan
Probably your best site for up to date info:
"SWAT team, surveilance aircraft assists..."
http://myeldorado.net [/*]
site just upgraded. one officer said they found everything the needed and more. great news. do not mention the young girl, but i bet they got the books on the so called marriages. hope so

[Devotion]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8824195

Barlow is a son of former Colorado City Mayor Dan Barlow; he also is one of eight Colorado City men

accused by Arizona prosecutors in 2005 of marrying underage girls and committing sex crimes.

He pleaded no contest in April 2007 to conspiracy to commit sexual conduct with a minor, and a second charge was dropped.

The victim was a 16-year-old girl with whom he had a son.
Barlow was later sentenced to 45 days in jail and three years of probation.

Charges were dropped and he was later sentenced to 45 days in jail and 3 years of probation? How does that work? [/*]

WHY aren't these crimes against women and children being labeled/ prosecuted the same as any other person in our society today committing the same crime???

If the same crime had occurred to anyone of us, on our streets or in our neighborhoods, the crimes would be looked at more harshly and called what it "really is"?

I see these old men the same as any kidnapper, sex addict, rapist and pedophile on our streets today...it is what it is...whether in a church, cave or mountain top....jmo

[Details]

Originally posted by texski

site just upgraded. one officer said they found everything the needed and more. great news. do not mention the young girl, but i bet they got the books on the so called marriages. hope so [/*]I'm thinking her body is in some corner of the temple. I'm glad they got into the temple, didn't let the cult hide crimes by placing evidence in the temple.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Details
I'm thinking her body is in some corner of the temple. I'm glad they got into the temple, didn't let the cult hide crimes by placing evidence in the temple. [/*]

Her body???

[Details]

JMO - but I don't see these guys as having a problem killing for their 'faith', and an inconvenient woman (not something they respect) who might get their leader or a man in trouble - I could easily see them choosing to make her disappear. And she's not yet been found in the compound, after LE has had plenty of time. So thus my guess that she's dead, and they've hidden the body somewhere. Just my guess.

[texski]

i reallly hope the young girl is okay, she has not had much of a life .
i think they got a lot of records as to the plural marriages. from the temple.
she could even be one of the young women they have taken out already, and she may be afraid to speak up???
i pray for her safety.

[texski]

i know this is a serious topic, but i could not resist sending you all this funny from the blog on texas polygamy.
"well, if these guys are still taking underage girls after everything that has happened they have done this to themselves. bailiff, smack his PP."""""

[juliekan]

Originally posted by texski
i reallly hope the young girl is okay, she has not had much of a life .
i think they got a lot of records as to the plural marriages. from the temple.
she could even be one of the young women they have taken out already, and she may be afraid to speak up???
i pray for her safety. [/*]
Small town, LE reports finding everything and more at the FLDS to patrons at the coffee shop,(the hub of all info if like the small town in West Texas I grew up in). I think if she was dead, it would have leaked out by now. Pray she is not

[juliekan]

Houston Chronicle:
Community reaches out

With law enforcement officers keeping the 1,700-acre fenced retreat blocked off, residents of the tight-knit West Texas community focused their efforts on feeding and comforting the displaced children.
Many in the windswept town of 2,000 bypassed the local spring festival with its tricycle races and goat-kissing booth to load bags of teddy bears, juice, snacks and diapers into the First Baptist Church building that's serving as a temporary shelter. Two blocks away, members of the Church of Christ were preparing a dinner of fresh chicken, broccoli,bread and salad for the now homeless families.
"They couldn't have picked a better community for this to have happened," said Gary Shipman, a 46-year-old oil field worker, who helped unload $1300 in supplies that his church had purchased. :patriot:

[juliekan]

http://www.myeldorado.net

Buses have been loaded and they are transporting people, possibly to San Angelo.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by juliekan
Houston Chronicle:
Community reaches out

With law enforcement officers keeping the 1,700-acre fenced retreat blocked off, residents of the tight-knit West Texas community focused their efforts on feeding and comforting the displaced children.
Many in the windswept town of 2,000 bypassed the local spring festival with its tricycle races and goat-kissing booth to load bags of teddy bears, juice, snacks and diapers into the First Baptist Church building that's serving as a temporary shelter. Two blocks away, members of the Church of Christ were preparing a dinner of fresh chicken, broccoli,bread and salad for the now homeless families.
"They couldn't have picked a better community for this to have happened," said Gary Shipman, a 46-year-old oil field worker, who helped unload $1300 in supplies that his church had purchased. :patriot: [/*]
This is so good to hear! they are getting a glimpse of the people they were taught to fear! Wouldn't it be nice if they could receive messages of encouragement and hope from all of us?

[juliekan]

http://www.dallasnews.com/

expecting another round of women and children to come from the compound Sunday afternoon

[juliekan]

http://breakingnewsblog.dallasnews.com/

The buses that left earlier went to Fort Concho.

Media frenzy-even Oprah's folks are in town.

Officials to update the press at 3pm

[mrsmcgoo]

I hope they keep the woman, young girls and babies long enough to show them that the world outside of their compound is not evil as they have been led to believe.

My great fear is that the girl who was brave enough to call out for help will be too afraid to speak out further. I have read the book "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop and I am gravely afraid that all girls that particular age will be punished until this particular girls owns up to making the call for help. This is the way things happen in that community. They have released too much information about the caller, she needs protection, BADLY now.

jmo

[Patriot]

Originally posted by Carol25

This is so good to hear! they are getting a glimpse of the people they were taught to fear! Wouldn't it be nice if they could receive messages of encouragement and hope from all of us? [/*]

Sorry to squeeze in here, but I need to tell you that your pm boxes need to be emptied. :)

[juliekan]

Originally posted by mrsmcgoo
I hope they keep the woman, young girls and babies long enough to show them that the world outside of their compound is not evil as they have been led to believe.

My great fear is that the girl who was brave enough to call out for help will be too afraid to speak out further. I have read the book "Escape" by Carolyn Jessop and I am gravely afraid that all girls that particular age will be punished until this particular girls owns up to making the call for help. This is the way things happen in that community. They have released too much information about the caller, she needs protection, BADLY now.

jmo [/*]
As per 3 pm update by CPS in Eldorado, the girl who made the call has still not been identified.

[dicee]

Were these people forced to leave? What happens if someone refuses to leave? I hope they were not forced onto the buses at gunpoint.That would not be unlike the people who were forced onto railroad cars at gunpoint(even though it was for a different reason).

[Carol25]

Originally posted by juliekan

As per 3 pm update by CPS in Eldorado, the girl who made the call has still not been identified. [/*]
Don't you think for her security (and security of others), they wouldn't identify her, at least at this time? They might harm someone still in the compound thinking they knew of the phone call a didn't report her.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
sorry about all the typos above.

http://www.myeldorado.net/YFZ%20Aerial%20Tour/yfztour1.html

here are photos in progression at this link that show the ranch when it was first obtained by FLDS and then all the buildings nad construction going on, taken mostly by aircraft passing overhead, not on-the-ground photos...

make me think, if the women get welfare from the state, and that alot of the incomes, if not most of the incomes,come from that, and since they built a cement factory onsite without the air quality permits, why doesn't out government just take back the whole compound and do something constructive with it..since the government paid for it!!! It was OUR tax dollars that built this place- it belongs to US, not HIM!

How are they going to help the women who do want help, who do say they want "out" from the get-go? Wonder how that works, where do they go, what help do they get first, and how in the world can they reintergrate into society- jobs, housing, etc?
My 'prayers' are not just for all the kids, its for strength for those women who want to start life all over again. What a battle they have in front of them. I hope "we" help them all we can....:rose: [/*]
I believe a start would be those who have once been in the FLDS and were able to get out to be there to talk with them. These people know of the fear they now feel and can identify with them. They could tell them what awaits them in the outside world.

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan
I honestly don't know if this guy is a nut but he covers all kinds of sects. www.RickRoss.com [/*]

Rick Ross imo is an expert. He has the biggest collection of information on cults that I've seen.

[dicee]

Originally posted by Details
JMO - but I don't see these guys as having a problem killing for their 'faith', and an inconvenient woman (not something they respect) who might get their leader or a man in trouble - I could easily see them choosing to make her disappear. And she's not yet been found in the compound, after LE has had plenty of time. So thus my guess that she's dead, and they've hidden the body somewhere. Just my guess. [/*]


I see 3 possibilities...

1. She's dead.
2. She never existed.This was an excuse by LE to go in.I find it curious that they found what they wanted before finding her.
3. She does exist and filed a false report against 1 of the men.Now hiding from both LE and the cult.

[dicee]

Originally posted by Carol25

Don't you think for her security (and security of others), they wouldn't identify her, at least at this time? They might harm someone still in the compound thinking they knew of the phone call a didn't report her. [/*]

Can't they say they found her without IDing her?

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by dicee
Were these people forced to leave? What happens if someone refuses to leave? I hope they were not forced onto the buses at gunpoint.That would not be unlike the people who were forced onto railroad cars at gunpoint(even though it was for a different reason). [/*]

From what I've read in the news articles, the women and children weren't forced at gunpoint to get on the buses. Almost every article says that the members are cooperating with LE.
:shrug:

[Carol25]

Originally posted by dicee


Can't they say they found her without IDing her? [/*]
Well, one officer said they found everything they wanted and more... wonder if he really should have said that.

It really probably wouldn't have been too difficult to suspect who it was. They gave her age, the age of the child and the age of her "husband." Didn't they even put the "husband's" picture up?

I just heard the raid is over for now. I suspect there will be another in the middle of the night looking for the husband. He was probably hiding.

I'll be very interested in knowing how it goes with all of the children they brought out. I hope many choose to stay out. The boys, too are in danger.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by dicee



I see 3 possibilities...

1. She's dead.
2. She never existed.This was an excuse by LE to go in.I find it curious that they found what they wanted before finding her.
3. She does exist and filed a false report against 1 of the men.Now hiding from both LE and the cult. [/*]
Well, dicee, that's an interesting thought. Of course we don't know if they found what they wanted before they found before her.
I know this sounds horrible, but I'm not sure if I would do anything to LE if they fabricated the report to go in. I'd rather see something done about this cult and saving the children and women inside.
of course, they could have used the law against polygamy for the excuse to go in, but there may be reasons they chose not to go that route.

[Carol25]

Did I just hear that the "husband" of this girl was actually her father or uncle? hammer

[Carol25]

All of the foster families will probably go to classes to learn how to help their "new" family members. What a huge endeavor on the part of the community! My hat is off to them! :patriot:

[Details]

Originally posted by dicee
I see 3 possibilities...

1. She's dead.
2. She never existed.This was an excuse by LE to go in.I find it curious that they found what they wanted before finding her.
3. She does exist and filed a false report against 1 of the men.Now hiding from both LE and the cult. [/*]You seem to be missing one - probably the most likely or second most likely:

4. She does exist, filed a true report (not shocking - this cult is known for this behavior), and is hiding or being hidden.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Anakerie


From what I've read in the news articles, the women and children weren't forced at gunpoint to get on the buses. Almost every article says that the members are cooperating with LE.
:shrug: [/*]
I saw a televised report today where one of the bus drivers said it was "emotional for the girls to leave" and that the older women not going encouraged them to sing their songs on the bus. He said they sang all the way to San Angelo. Also saw them loading them on the bus and there were no guns in sight.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Details
You seem to be missing one - probably the most likely or second most likely:

4. She does exist, filed a true report (not shocking - this cult is known for this behavior), and is hiding or being hidden. [/*]
it would make sense to not expose yourself at least until you got out of town...they went today, maybe we will hear something tomorrow.

[witchy1]

Originally posted by Carol25
Did I just hear that the "husband" of this girl was actually her father or uncle? hammer [/*]
Step-father. May even be related in other areas also.
Witchy1

[dicee]

Originally posted by Carol25
All of the foster families will probably go to classes to learn how to help their "new" family members. What a huge endeavor on the part of the community! My hat is off to them! :patriot: [/*]


If the girls are with their moms,then what's the need for foster care?

[juliekan]

Originally posted by dicee



If the girls are with their moms,then what's the need for foster care? [/*]
They have to stay somewhere, moms included if both were removed.

[cleo612]

No article, just a Breaking News headline:

http://www.myeldorado.net/

Last updated 7:57pm (CST).

Authorities find another 32 children at YFZ Ranch. Children and 9 adults transported by bus from ranch.

~~~~~~~~~~~

My note:

According to earlier reports, there were 219 people removed from the compound. With the addition of the above-mentioned 41 people having been removed, this brings the total of women and children removed from the compound to 260.


Another article:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8832147

Last updated 6:12pm (CST)

(This article states that the search at the compound is only half completed.)

Texas officials: 219 women and kids held; compound search only half complete
Sixteen-year-old who complained of abuse still not found
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune

Texas officials said Sunday afternoon they had removed 219 women and children from a FLDS ranch but were only halfway through their search of the compound.

Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the Texas Child Protective Service, gave the new total at an afternoon news conference at 3 p.m. CST. Three hours later, another bus filled with women and children left the ranch, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Meisner said authorities still have not identified or located a 16-year-old girl who called for help and said she had been physically abused. That call sparked a raid that began Thursday night at the ranch, outside the town of Eldorado.

The girl may be in the group of 60 women and 159 children, but if she is, she has not stepped forward, Meisner said.

The caller provided "limited information," she said, adding it is difficult to discern the ages of girls in the group and that "this is a community where names are changed."

Still, Meisner said: "I am confident this girl does indeed exist," and that the abuse allegation is legitimate.

Asked if FLDS members have been forced to leave the ranch, Meisner said, "I do not believe we forced them to leave. They knew what their options were."

***More info at link

[texski]

i know that emotionallly the women from this group will have a hard time outside the compound. but they were always working very hard, having many pregnancys, living on very little, the men kept all the money . many had jobs, teaching, etc. from the pictures of the place they were doing most of the farm work, babies out there with them in buggys.

they already know how to stretch time and money to survive.
so with some help they should be able to take care of themselves and their children, if they want to.
but if they are still entralled with the religion, they do not want to go to hell. as they have been told since childhood will happen to women who do not obey.
imo, that will be the hard part for them and i wonder if many could adjust on the outside of the compound mentally.

[dicee]

Originally posted by cleo612
No article, just a Breaking News headline:

http://www.myeldorado.net/

Last updated 7:57pm (CST).

Authorities find another 32 children at YFZ Ranch. Children and 9 adults transported by bus from ranch.

~~~~~~~~~~~

My note:

According to earlier reports, there were 219 people removed from the compound. With the addition of the above-mentioned 41 people having been removed, this brings the total of women and children removed from the compound to 260.


Another article:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8832147

Last updated 6:12pm (CST)

(This article states that the search at the compound is only half completed.)

Texas officials: 219 women and kids held; compound search only half complete
Sixteen-year-old who complained of abuse still not found
By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune

Texas officials said Sunday afternoon they had removed 219 women and children from a FLDS ranch but were only halfway through their search of the compound.

Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the Texas Child Protective Service, gave the new total at an afternoon news conference at 3 p.m. CST. Three hours later, another bus filled with women and children left the ranch, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Meisner said authorities still have not identified or located a 16-year-old girl who called for help and said she had been physically abused. That call sparked a raid that began Thursday night at the ranch, outside the town of Eldorado.

The girl may be in the group of 60 women and 159 children, but if she is, she has not stepped forward, Meisner said.

The caller provided "limited information," she said, adding it is difficult to discern the ages of girls in the group and that "this is a community where names are changed."

Still, Meisner said: "I am confident this girl does indeed exist," and that the abuse allegation is legitimate.

Asked if FLDS members have been forced to leave the ranch, Meisner said, "I do not believe we forced them to leave. They knew what their options were."

***More info at link [/*]


It's nice that they were not forced to leave.
It's interesting that LE still doesn't know if the girl even exists.

[dicee]

Originally posted by texski
i know that emotionallly the women from this group will have a hard time outside the compound. but they were always working very hard, having many pregnancys, living on very little, the men kept all the money . many had jobs, teaching, etc. from the pictures of the place they were doing most of the farm work, babies out there with them in buggys.

they already know how to stretch time and money to survive.
so with some help they should be able to take care of themselves and their children, if they want to.
but if they are still entralled with the religion, they do not want to go to hell. as they have been told since childhood will happen to women who do not obey.
imo, that will be the hard part for them and i wonder if many could adjust on the outside of the compound mentally. [/*]

I see them going back when it's all over.

[Carol25]

For those who wish to stay outside, it will be easier to do in a group rather than venturing outside by themselves. I do hope they have former FDLS members to help!

[walton]

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesc/picc3800.php

Here is a picture of Fort Concho where they took some of the women and children.

[walton]

Originally posted by dicee



If the girls are with their moms,then what's the need for foster care? [/*]


Some of these moms are considered children themselves and in need of support and guidance. jmo

[walton]

Originally posted by SoggyBayou
walton, thank you for the link.
It's getting weird.
Why is the probation officer being so outspoken? That's a first. [/*]

I've googled for two days now and I can not come up with anything on this probation officer.

I'll check the Arizona sex registery and see if Dale is indeed listed. Maybe it will say something there but I doubt it.

[cleo612]

I find it really odd that this probation officer would say that his client, Dale Barlow, told him that law enforcement officials or authorities had contacted him to ask him where he is.

I have never heard of law enforcement contacting an intended target of an arrest warrant to warn that person that they were being sought--especially in such a high profile situation such as this.

I think that probably someone from within that compound contacted Dale Barlow and told him that law enforcement was there with an arrest warrant and was looking for him.

[cleo612]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8835442

People who have left sect go to Texas to help

They can explain the group's culture and comfort displaced women and children

By Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 04/07/2008 12:35:48 AM MDT


ELDORADO, Texas - Carolyn Jessop, once married to the man who oversees the FLDS church's besieged ranch, arrived Sunday in west Texas with two daughters she hoped to reunite with their half siblings.

Jessop, whose memoir Escape detailed her experiences in and departure from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, visited the Schleicher County Civic Center Sunday to explain the group's culture to authorities working with women and children taken from the YFZ Ranch this weekend.

Also in Texas: Elissa Wall, the young woman whose testimony sent sect leader Warren S. Jeffs to prison in Utah on convictions for rape as an accomplice, and Shannon Price of the Utah-based Diversity Foundation, which helps teens leaving the sect.

Jessop said that she thought she had seen one of her four stepdaughters on a school bus as it left Eldorado earlier in the day. "It would be monumental if I could see those girls after five years," she said.

Born and raised in the faith, Jessop became the fourth wife of Merrill Jessop when she was 18; he was 50. They had eight children together in Utah before she left him in 2003.

Betty, Jessop's oldest daughter, returned to the sect after she turned 18. Jessop said Betty, whom she speaks with regularly, does not live at the ranch. Merrill Jessop has been in charge of the YFZ Ranch for several years.

****more at link

[dicee]

Since the women went with the girls,I wonder who's caring for the boys left behind.

[dicee]

There's going to be alot of empty desks in their school Monday. That is if the girls even went to school.

[GardenGirl]

O! This is Good News!!
I remember during Jeffs trial a few of us went overboard in our zeal, wishing to send in buses and get the women and children out.
Walton, my best to you as always, you have been a consistent poster and forum-president almost that I must give you Kudo's.

Girls raised without knowledge of their right's to self determination becomes a cyclical problem. Girls grow into women, women give birth to babies, babies become children and so on.
The women are as brainwashed as their children are, how could they know any better?
It IS like a cult, and in my opinion, they will need a lot of therapy to get through it.

A very well done flick addressing the issue of which we speak is Banking on Heaven.
Check it out at your library or go to WorldCat.org and they will find it in your state's library system.
A most informative film.

GG

[LLaFren]

Hey Guys...I'm back...:seeya: I thought this problem was over with, especially with Jeffs in jail. Apparently I was wrong, I hope this is done with no violence.

[Carol25]

According to Fox this moring, the 16 year old in question has not been identified, This is worrisome. :(

[GardenGirl]

You never know with these whacko's. She's either dead or in the bunch they all ready took out of there.
They're not known for being good about the girls calling in the cops.
Unless she ran away all ready, but really, there's no place to run to is there?
How apropos.
O! Jeff's must be out of his mind!

[Carol25]

Originally posted by hatkie
http://batonrouge.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8VT0*880&_action=validatearticle

Women, Children Taken From West Texas Town's Polygamist Compound; Search for 1 Teen Continues


04-07-2008 6:26 AM
By MICHELLE ROBERTS, Associated Press Writer

SAN ANGELO, Texas (Associated Press) -- Authorities who took 220 women and children from a polygamist compound weren't sure whether the teen girl whose phone call prompted the raid was among them. [/*]
Hatkie, they must have taken the story down. It said "story not found."

[Devotion]

Originally posted by Details
JMO -
but I don't see these guys as having a problem killing for their 'faith',

and an inconvenient woman (not something they respect)
who might get their leader or a man in trouble - I could easily see them choosing to make her disappear.

And she's not yet been found in the compound, after LE has had plenty of time.

So thus my guess that she's dead, and they've hidden the body somewhere. Just my guess. [/*]

Seems, the women and children are brainwashed, frightened and treated like a piece of property to be used.
Do they get "welfare" checks each month from the state?

What amount of $$$$ are they being paid each month out of the tax payers pocket??

What is the total amount of welfare benifits paid to these people for a year?
....jmo

[Devotion]

Originally posted by walton

Some of these moms are considered children

themselves and in need of support and guidance..... jmo [/*]

What is the purpose of these children having so many children? welfare money for the older man/or church or something more?....
Each man should be required to fully support ALL his wives and children, regardless of what name they want to call their blood family.....imo

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25
For those who wish to stay outside, it will be easier to do in a group rather than venturing outside by themselves. I do hope they have former FDLS members to help! [/*]
On GMA on TV this morning, Carolyn Jessop, former wife of YFZ leader Merrill Jessop, stated that she felt it would be very helpful for some of them (former FLDS members) to speak with these women and children. She pointed out that SHE could tell the authorities who was who and how they are related, which Marleigh Meissner (sp?) of CPS said was part of the problem identifying the girl who had placed the call. Hope CPS and LE allows them to, they could explain life on the outside AND help with the investigation.

[juliekan]

water torture with infants practiced to "break" their spirit
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA

[juliekan]

Originally posted by dicee
Since the women went with the girls,I wonder who's caring for the boys left behind. [/*]
Good point. I'm sure these men (self-appointed gods) never cook or clean.

[walton]

Check out Brookes latest entries.


http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/

Todays entry has some pictures of the women and children getting on the bus.

There are people all over that have been split up. Fathers missing their children, children missing their mothers, brothers and sisters.

They might be able to find out if their loved one or loved ones are part of this group that got rescued.

Warren Jeffs not to long ago was asked about some of these "missing" people. He refused to answer.

[walton]

Originally posted by Devotion


What is the purpose of these children having so many children? welfare money for the older man/or church or something more?....
Each man should be required to fully support ALL his wives and children, regardless of what name they want to call their blood family.....imo [/*]



To populate the earth and their heavenly planet. ( I hope I am saying this the right way.)

[walton]

Originally posted by GardenGirl
**snipped**
A very well done flick addressing the issue of which we speak is Banking on Heaven.
Check it out at your library or go to WorldCat.org and they will find it in your state's library system.
A most informative film.

GG [/*]

I agree this is a very informative film. Here is a link to a clip of the trailer on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc



And their website: http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

[juliekan]

Texas House Representative Harvey Hilderbran wrote a bill in 2005 t0 change the marriageable age and make it illegal to marry a step-parent in response to the development of the Eldorado compound. I have been unable to find out if it was ever passed. Called the Rep's office in Kerrville, but they said they'd have to call me back tomorrow. Anyone else out there who's better at the research stuff and can find this? Thanks.:read:
It was HB 3006, or SB 6.

[texski]

hi walton

in some article or post that i read it said that the men who came to heaven with the most children got to sit the closest to god when they went to heaven. this was their reason for having as many children as they could. and the ones with the most wives , of course, could get the most children.
glad to hear that carolyn jessup is there to help and with her children.

[juliekan]

http://gosanangelo.com/news/news

24 hr. emergency hearings not required by law; judge will next move toward 14 day adversarial hearings.

[juliekan]

News conference at 3 pm today. One man was arrested from the compound, was NOT Barlow. :confused:

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan
Texas House Representative Harvey Hilderbran wrote a bill in 2005 t0 change the marriageable age and make it illegal to marry a step-parent in response to the development of the Eldorado compound. I have been unable to find out if it was ever passed. Called the Rep's office in Kerrville, but they said they'd have to call me back tomorrow. Anyone else out there who's better at the research stuff and can find this? Thanks.:read:
It was HB 3006, or SB 6. [/*]

Julie this is all I could come up with. Hope it helps.

Common Law Marriage or Informal Marriage:
Yes. Texas also refers to common law marriage as an informal marriage.
For a marriage to be declared an informal marriage in Texas, a couple has two options.

1. Sign a declaration of their marriage under oath. The form is available at County Clerk's office.
The Declaration and Registration of Informal Marriage asks for full names, woman's maiden surname, addresses, dates of birth, places of birth, social security numbers, and relationship information.


The Declaration states: "I solemnly swear (or affirm) that we, the undersigned, are married to each other by virtue of the following facts: On or about (Date) we agreed to be married, and after that date we lived together as husband and wife and in this state we represented to others that we were married. Since the date of marriage to the other party I have not been married to any other person. This declaration is true and the information in it which I have given is correct."
2. Live together as husband and wife in Texas
Represent to others that they are married.
Agree with one another that they are married.
Individuals under the age of 18 may not enter into an informal marriage.

[juliekan]

thanks, W:)

[walton]

Originally posted by texski
hi walton

in some article or post that i read it said that the men who came to heaven with the most children got to sit the closest to god when they went to heaven. this was their reason for having as many children as they could. and the ones with the most wives , of course, could get the most children.
glad to hear that carolyn jessup is there to help and with her children. [/*]

:) I think that they need all the help that they can get. Just trying to figure out who is who and related to who is a HUGE task in itself.

I wanna help somehow. Do you know who I could call? Who I should call?

I've been reading about all this since it happened. And everyone has been just great about posting links from all sorts of news sources. Major networks, little town newspapers etc. I've even seen some coverage on tv.I think I even saw Randy from Eldorado on one of the clips and heard an interview with Nate Carlisle from Salt Lake.

But it wasn't until I actually heard our local media covering it that it all sunk into this thick skull of mine.

CPS, Judges, Sheriff Doran, State Troopers, Highway Patrol and even the Texas Rangers.. An operation this big I would almost think that the Governor knew. And they ALL have acted imo very professional and with care and concern.

Even with a gag order now in place the Media has done an awesome job.

Texas came thru loud and clear. They do care. And they cared enough to do something. :patriot:

[StickyBeak]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/arrest-made-in-texas-polygamy-case/n20080407145309990004?ecid=RSS0001

[juliekan]

http://gosanangelo.com/news/news

misdemeanor charge of interfering with a public servant

[juliekan]

April 17th adversarial hearing set Tom Green County
401 children are in temporary custody
Then the stupid commentators started talking and couldn't hear what Meisner was saying
:flamemad:

[Carol25]

At the 3:00 news conference it was said 401 children have been taken from the compound. The 16 year old girl who prompted the raids with her a call for help has not been identified in the group.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by flere
(The 3rd time I am trying to 'edit' or type this, arg) and agree that we could do so much better without commentators on TV....

Marleigh Meisner, official from Child Protective Custody Svs. said that "401 children" were now in "legal temporary custody" and that the Judge had "14 days" to hold them and "within that time each one will get an attorney and a guardian." April 17th will be the Hearing. "After which time, they can be held for another 30 days, and so on," she said. [/*]

401? Wow! That is so many more children than they were first reporting!

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Anakerie


401? Wow! That is so many more children than they were first reporting! [/*]
No one knew how many people were living there. When they asked the editor of the Eldorado Newspaper (Randy Mankin?), he said he thought there was around 400 PEOPLE living there.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by juliekan

No one knew how many people were living there. When they asked the editor of the Eldorado Newspaper (Randy Mankin?), he said he thought there was around 400 PEOPLE living there. [/*]
In addition to the 401 children taken, 133 women willingly left. Some asked if the could join them. That says a lot.
They say this is the largest investigation Texas has ever had. Child Protection workers are coming from all over the state. They are not done working yet. They are taking sheets, hair samples from the compound, etc. DNa samples have to be almosst identical from these people, I guess that may be what they want to prove. Just one big incest compound! I sure hope they find the original girl.

They have underground tunnels where they hide children.

[Details]

I'm so glad the 133 got a chance to escape. I'm sure normally they weren't allowed any chance.

[Devotion]

Originally posted by hatkie


Jessop added that the group had a history of physical and emotional abuse.

She said that leaders were allowed to beat children deemed unruly and,

that her ex-husband used a specific form of water torture to break rebellious children.

"There was a tremendous amount of violence

towards children and he used a form of water torture

with infants to break their spirits," Jessop said.

"He would hold their head under a tap of running water when they were crying."..........

HORRIBLE!
Not only did he break the spirit of the children he was breaking the spirit of his wives who rebelled.

Merrill's first wife went nuts and had to be put in an asulym a couple of times..... [/*]

This is HORRIBLE and to think it is going on in the United States.

Aren't we against WATER TORTURE on prisoners, then WHY is it being done to Babies and children?....jmo

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25

In addition to the 401 children taken, 133 women willingly left. Some asked if the could join them. That says a lot.
They say this is the largest investigation Texas has ever had. Child Protection workers are coming from all over the state. They are not done working yet. They are taking sheets, hair samples from the compound, etc. DNa samples have to be almosst identical from these people, I guess that may be what they want to prove. Just one big incest compound! I sure hope they find the original girl.

They have underground tunnels where they hide children. [/*]
I haven't been online...sites for this info? Just watched N. Grace and she was totally ignorant of what has been going on.:rolleyes:

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8844183

For the first time, the FLDS have responded to the state raid on the YFZ Ranch that began last Thursday and is just now nearing completion.
In five filings released today, Isaac Jeffs and Merrill Jessop said the sect's constitutional rights were violated in a massive search that was overly broad and vague in its focus.



Weird how so many people scream " Constitutional Rights" when they never ushered a peep concerning the rights of these children.

[johnielee333]

its about time & i hope they do something about this crap that is going on in the USA. they need to stop them from hurting our children. these people hide behind their god & commit sin's & crime's against our chrildren & women. they are sick people.
it is a cult. they need to be brought down.

[witchy1]

Grammybear, you and Walton are so correct. I also agree that this is just the tip of the iceburg. This has been going on for way too long and finally the media has kept it in the spotlight, now the government has to do something. I've always loved the state of Texas.:beer:

[juliekan]

Originally posted by flere
I watched the news conference on MSNBC. One reporter asked about underground tunnels and Ms. Meisner said no, she was not aware of any. She also said they were "about finished" with the search. (Maybe done by now?) Many of the children have the same last name making this investigation difficult and that family members who have previously left the sect have come from all over the country in support and to take them in (possible guardians), Ms. Meisner reported. [/*]
I find it hard to believe they are going to farm these kids out all over the country...what I heard on TV earlier was that these former members were converging on Texas hoping they would let them help with the assimilation of these kids so they could actually go to foster care, if needed.:shrug:

[juliekan]

I also heard a load of Horse-s*** on Nancy Grace, so I guess I need to take that into account when I post something...sorry.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8844183

For the first time, the FLDS have responded to the state raid on the YFZ Ranch that began last Thursday and is just now nearing completion.
In five filings released today, Isaac Jeffs and Merrill Jessop said the sect's constitutional rights were violated in a massive search that was overly broad and vague in its focus.



Weird how so many people scream " Constitutional Rights" when they never ushered a peep concerning the rights of these children. [/*]
Good article...I have one question I keep thinking of...since Barlow is in Co. City according to his parole officer, was this girl that made the complaint originally from up there, and maybe was very unhappy with her marriage, and shipped down here to be "remarried." That would explain why he's up there and she's down here?? Also, what did the officers see on first inspection to get a warrant for all that stuff?:eek:

[juliekan]

I fear I am the only one up this late, but I think I will keep talking to myself:D I can't seem to find the site I looked at this morning, but it said people in San Angelo had been in contact with a children's home in Waco to see how much space was available. I'm from this part of Texas, and believe me, there will be people, good people with their arms open wide to help out.

[juliekan]

http://www.myeldorado.net/

9:16 pm CDT 4/7/08
"Male subject found hiding in brush...possession of an "item"."
" four children and an adult found hiding."
"another bus seen heading...to San Angelo with police escort."

8:30 pm CDT 4/7/08
"ambulance carries elderly man...to local hospital."

:eek: alert

"Work crews with Jack hammers enter YFZ compound."

For something this serious, I want everyone to know I did not put in the ham*er icon, it just comes up.

[witchy1]

Hold on. I am :read: your link This really sounds strange.

[Carol25]

Originally posted by juliekan
http://www.myeldorado.net/

9:16 pm CDT 4/7/08
"Male subject found hiding in brush...possession of an "item"."
" four children and an adult found hiding."
"another bus seen heading...to San Angelo with police escort."

8:30 pm CDT 4/7/08
"ambulance carries elderly man...to local hospital."

:eek: alert

"Work crews with Jack hammers enter YFZ compound."

For something this serious, I want everyone to know I did not put in the ham*er icon, it just comes up. [/*]
So, LE is still going out there if they found the boy in the bushes. Was he trying to escape? Four children hiding in a shop. They must have children hid all over the place yet. I wonder if they have told the boys they were free to come if they wanted to as well? I sure wish we knew more.

I know that Dale Barlow (?) is in Colorado. But he probably was hiding and then fled. If someone reported the girl before LE got there, he had plenty of time to leave. Plenty of time to do something to the girl, too.:(

Jackmammer...looking for underground tunnels?

[Carol25]

Originally posted by grammybear
This case keeps me coming back again and again. I so worry about all the children and women not being found. I suspect we are going to see more on this. These men have gotten away for so long and it is about time they had to face the law. I am so worried about the 16 year old who made the initial call. I sure hope they were able to get her out of there.
At first I heard Barlow was in AZ and then he was in CO. So where is he? I do not believe a word this man has to say, he is going to say and do anything to protect himself and could care less about the lives of these women and the children.

jmoo [/*]
I agree. I don't know why they haven't brought him back for questioning. He's going to be on the run just like Jeff's was. I was reading the complaint from the FLDS. They said they had a community of 300-400 people. They already have taken out more than 400. Maybe they are multiplying so fast the can't keep count.

[juliekan]

OK, get ready. I saw on a talk show tonight the town of Lockney, TX when they showed a map of where FDLS were. I have family close to Eldorado, so I heard about that years ago.

Found a couple of sites, but this one I down load, and then it doesn't work. First try www.rickross.com and go to polygamist groups then FLDS then to subject "FLDS may be expanding in Texas"
Another:http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/labels/Lockney.htm

And just for fun, check out TX Rep. Harvey Hilderbran's attempt at amending TX law to help give us a leg to stand on legally. I think this bill must have died, because I can't find where it passed. Called his office in Kerrville today, said they'd be back with me tomorrow (rightttt)
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9101510_ITM (scroll down to "Lawmaker...)

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Carol25

I agree. I don't know why they haven't brought him back for questioning. He's going to be on the run just like Jeff's was. I was reading the complaint from the FLDS. They said they had a community of 300-400 people. They already have taken out more than 400. Maybe they are multiplying so fast the can't keep count. [/*]

!v! (rabbit breeding alert...sorry, gotta have some levity before I freak out)

[juliekan]

Goodnite all...
Walton, I'll try to be on board for constitutional rights discussions tomorrow

[cleo612]

Originally posted by CaféAuLait
401 children taken into protective custody and jackhammers now? What is going on there?


EDIT to ask why does that little smily icon come up everytime some types J A C K H A M M E R? What the heck? [/*]

I have a feeling they are looking for, or found, some of those tunnels that Carolyn Jessop mentioned on the Good Morning America program Monday morning.

She said that it was common for the FLDS to use those tunnels for hiding children away in those tunnels.

She also stated that she spent 3 years locked in one of the tunnels at the Utah/Arizona compound because she had made attempts to escape the cult.

If there are hidden tunnels, there is no telling just how many MORE children and women might be secreted away.

[walton]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23993440/

Officials on Monday announced that 534 women and children — more than twice as many as had been earlier reported — were removed from a polygamist compound and that all 401 children have been placed in state custody because a judge deemed them in imminent danger of physical abuse.

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan
Goodnite all...
Walton, I'll try to be on board for constitutional rights discussions tomorrow [/*]

Thanks.

[walton]

Originally posted by grammybear
This case keeps me coming back again and again. I so worry about all the children and women not being found. I suspect we are going to see more on this. These men have gotten away for so long and it is about time they had to face the law. I am so worried about the 16 year old who made the initial call. I sure hope they were able to get her out of there.
At first I heard Barlow was in AZ and then he was in CO. So where is he? I do not believe a word this man has to say, he is going to say and do anything to protect himself and could care less about the lives of these women and the children.

jmoo [/*]

Grammy do you remember the Ruby Jessop story?

http://helpthechildbrides.com/stories/rubyjess.htm

14 year old Ruby was married illegally and in secret to her step-brother, Havin Barlow, in the polygamous community of Hildale Utah on April 23, 2001. The FLDS Church , which controls this community, expects that when a girl becomes sexually mature, she will be married off to an older polygamous male of the FLDS leadership choosing.

The marriage was blessed by her step father, Fred Jessop, 2nd councilor to the prophet and officiated by Warren Jeffs, first councilor to the prophet, who has now become Prophet since his father, Rulon Jeffs, died.

Ruby was married against her own choice. 3 weeks later Ruby ran away in an attempt to avoid her fate. She went to her brother's house, where she thought she would be safe. Her brother, Joe C. Jessop Jr., thought he could protect her. He couldn't!

[LLaFren]

You know, it's funny, but to this day, when I hear the term "Morman" church (yes I know they broke off from the actual church), I can't help but think of Donny Osmond (or the Osmond brothers).

Why hasn't the Morman Church stepped in to help acclimate (sp?) the families back into the mainstream?

Every other religous group seems to have stepped up, have I missed something here?

I don't know enough to know if it would help, it just seems unlikely that the Leaders of the actual Morman Church would be ignoring this.

[cleo612]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346959,00.html

Abuse Investigated at Polygamist Compound After 400 Removed
Tuesday, April 08, 2008

ELDORADO, Texas — Until the raid on their compound last week, the women and girls of the Yearning for Zion Ranch spent their days caring for its many children, tilling gardens, and quilting, dressed in pioneer-style dresses sewn by their own hands.

But it was no idyllic recreation of 19th-century prairie life, authorities say. Since last week, they have interviewed members of the polygamist sect looking for evidence that that girls younger than 16 were forced into marriages with older men.

Five miles off the highway, beyond a double gate, the group's members live lives that are isolated even for the scruffy West Texas prairie. Their 1,700-acre ranch is like its own city, with a gleaming temple, doctor's office, school and even factories.

"Once you go into the compound, you don't ever leave it," said Carolyn Jessop, who was one of the wives of the alleged leader of the Eldorado complex, but who left the sect before it began moving to Texas in 2004.


****more at link

[mrsmcgoo]

I hope the LE are watching Merrill Jessop and Isaac Jeffs!! With Warren Jeffs locked up, I think these two would be in charge of arranging the marriages of these young girls, and hopefully they will be charged accordingly. Wouldn't want them to sneak away like Warren Jeffs did! Get them while you can LE!!

JMO :flamemad:

[tisamystery]

Originally posted by LLaFren


Why hasn't the Morman Church stepped in to help acclimate (sp?) the families back into the mainstream?

Every other religous group seems to have stepped up, have I missed something here?

I don't know enough to know if it would help, it just seems unlikely that the Leaders of the actual Morman Church would be ignoring this. [/*]

Good point. My guess would be that the try very hard to keep their distance from this group. They don't want anybody thinking they have any connection.

[tisamystery]

I'm confused. I read Carolyn's Jessop's book and sympathize with what she went through.

Now she's talking about secret tunnels and "breaking the baby" (a sort of water torture thing). Why didn't she mention this in the book? It seems to me you would include the most shocking aspects in your book. Seems odd to me.

[gorbal]

Here is a girl talking about Warren Jeffs as a school teacher-

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0RV4fKtKp0&feature=related)

His punishments were sick. He shook a little boy upside down for several minutes in front of the class and made students flex their bottoms in front of class to humiliate them

[juliekan]

http://www.myeldorado.net/

4/8/08 9:50 AM CDT

2 FBI agents enter YFZ compound.
Law enforcement advised to be on the look out for Seth Jeffs, brother of Warren Jeffs. He was said to have rented a vehicle and is believed to be headed to the YFZ ranch

[Pinetree]

Is anyone seeing the press conf.? Fox started to show it....then, bailed out! :mad:

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Pinetree
Is anyone seeing the press conf.? Fox started to show it....then, bailed out! :mad: [/*]
Just like yesterday, and Headline news did it too:flamemad:

[Anakerie]

http://myeldorado.net/

Latest update: 12:15pm CDT, Tuesday April 8, 2008

Leroy Johnson Steed, 41, arrested during the night at YFZ Compound for tampering with physical evidence.

Lawmen opened a safe at a residence at YFZ and are said to be removing evidence.

[StickyBeak]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/girl-in-polygamist-sect-says-was-beaten/n20080408170609990006?ecid=RSS0001

Girl who made the call says Husband beat and Raped her

Sicko's IMO :cuss:

[StickyBeak]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/documents-sect-married-girls-at-puberty/n20080408183409990017?ecid=RSS0001

[awareness]

The sheer numbers of children & women the authorities have taken (or that went willingly) from the FDLS compound is staggering. I wish the state of TX all the best with sorting it out, that's no easy task... and usually Welfare workers are over-burdened as it is.

Im not surprised there's tunnels where some children are hidden, there may be hidden chambers in various buildings as well. Im sure LE is being thorough with their search.

Hopefully this will be a chance for some of the women who requested to leave to start anew in life, with the proper assistance to legally get away from the men at the compound and not live in fear.

Unfortunately, with the past history of polygamy in the Mormon religion (when it was condoned, way back when) - I fear there will always be some breakout sects who still preach this. Even though originally polygamy wasn't a part of the religion. Its said that Joseph Smith (founder) had the "revelation" to allow himself "spiritual wives" since his wife Emma wasn't wanting nor tolerating it. Joseph is said to have had many spiritual wives, yet at an inquest after Joseph & Hyrum Smith were killed at the Carthage(sp) Jail - Emma denied that Joseph ever had any other wives. Its said she did this to get back at all those "spiritual wives" & her sons all beleived what she said even with testimonials from many others that said the opposite.

For a very interesting read about the foundings of the Mormon religion, a thorough biography of Joseph Smith, including polygamy, the migration to Utah, etc - read Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History". Its incredibly well researched. I know a few Mormon's and they are decent people, but IMO its crazy how many people fell for what I feel is a con. Much like Scientology, a made up religion.

JMO/IMO

[wandering]

Documents: Sect marries girls at puberty.

139 girls left on their own during raid.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by wandering
Documents: Sect marries girls at puberty.

139 girls left on their own during raid.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat [/*]OMG this story is so sad. Those girls will never be the same again:(

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by wandering
Documents: Sect marries girls at puberty.

139 girls left on their own during raid.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat [/*]

Absolutley Heart Breaking, These poor people, what other life do they know? I just can't believe this has existed in our life and times here in the USA.
I understand this is their belief and may not conform to the general population of US religions but to me this is nothing but pedophilia, IMO. I am curious if the state of Texas supported these women through the welfare program. How sad is that, but I did read on another site that this is normal in inter cities all over the US. Women producing babies by numerous fathers, collecting welfare checks which are turned over to the fathers for perhaps drug money, is this possible?

[gxm17]

Originally posted by wandering
Documents: Sect marries girls at puberty.

139 girls left on their own during raid.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat [/*]

Thank goodness the state of Texas got involved and rescued these children. I only hope that they prosecute the adults to the full extent of the law.

I also hope that they get these children the proper care. They'll need good homes as well as years of therapy. I wish them only the best.

JMHO.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ


IMO It is a religion, wasn't Moses a polygamist? Lots of people in the Bible were. I read Deuteronomy...women were viewed as important as a man's donkey! A women is supposed to be submissive to her husband according to the Bible....... [/*]What does it say about a woman choosing her husband? These girls had no choice.

[gxm17]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ


IMO It is a religion, wasn't Moses a polygamist? Lots of people in the Bible were. I read Deuteronomy...women were viewed as important as a man's donkey! A women is supposed to be submissive to her husband according to the Bible....... [/*]

Thank goodness there are laws to protect young girls from the dirty old men who want to claim them as "spiritual" wives all in the name of "religion." Child rape is disgusting no matter what justification you wrap it up in.


JMHO.

[sheltiemom]

Originally posted by gxm17


Thank goodness the state of Texas got involved and rescued these children. I only hope that they prosecute the adults to the full extent of the law.

I also hope that they get these children the proper care. They'll need good homes as well as years of therapy. I wish them only the best.

JMHO. [/*]

Since apparerntly days passed before the raid to free the girl who made the call, I fear the elders found out about her call and have relocated her and most probably have punished her.

I pray this corrageous youth is found safely.

May these pedofiles burn in he!! for the years of repeated physical and mental abuse these young girls (and lost boys ) have suffered.

Yeah - yhou go Texas!! Now if Utah, Arizona, Colorado and all the other states where this cult has settled will follow Texas brave lead.

[cleo612]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/08/texas.ranch/index.html

Affidavit: Report of child brides led to raid


SAN ANGELO, Texas (CNN) -- Tipped that girls as young as 13 were being forced to enter "spiritual marriages," have sex and bear children, Texas officials raided an isolated polygamist retreat in West Texas, according to court documents released Tuesday.

Authorities load members of the FLDS onto buses as they search their Texas ranch for clues of abuse.

1 of 3 The information came from a 16-year-old girl who called a family violence hot line March 29, "expressing the need to leave her current living situation," according to the affidavit.

The teen bride said she was in an abusive "spiritual" marriage to an older sect member, the documents stated. She reported that she was the man's seventh wife and had been beaten and choked.

She said she had been hospitalized in the past with cracked ribs and hoped to escape the abuse by faking a medical condition.

The allegations prompted police and social workers to remove hundreds of children from the 1,900-acre YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, the documents stated. The ranch was built by followers of imprisoned polygamist "prophet" Warren Steed Jeffs.

Girls deemed by adult sect members to be of "child-bearing age" were forced to submit to sex and have babies, according to the documents, which provided the legal basis for authorities to remove the children and place them in state custody.

The 16-year-old said her parents brought her to the ranch a year ago and she was "spiritually married to an adult male member of the church," the affidavit said.

According to the affidavit, the teen bride reported her husband "beat and hurt her whenever he got angry -- hitting her in the chest and choking her -- and that while such abuse was occurring, one of the other women in the home would hold her infant child."

On March 30, the teen called again. She told workers she was last beaten Easter Sunday. Her husband told her if she tried to leave the ranch "she would be found and locked up."

She said church members also told her if she left the ranch "outsiders will hurt her, force her to cut her hair, to wear makeup and [different] clothes and to have sex with lots of men."

*****more at link

[dicee]

I hope these kids aren't seperated from their families and forced to join a world they may not want to be a part of.

[walton]

I haven't been a big fan of news watching over the last two years. Last night I took the remote to another room (so I wouldn't be so tempted to turn it off) and watched the news.

I watched Larry King and I thought the show was a good one. I then continued to watch the news. There was a lady with dark hair and she was dressed in red.

I kept saying her name in my head so I wouldn't forget but.... I fell asleep right before the 53 raid segment. Not because the show wasn't any good but because I was tired.

I liked her and I liked the amount of info she was giving.

Who was she? :shrug:

[lady]

I'm so glad that this sicko religion is finally being brought to justice.
No Religion has the right to molest children and throw out and abandon young boys to fend for themselves because they want the young girls for themselves.
50 year old men do NOT have the right to have sex with 13 year old girls and make them pregnant against their will.
I hope the Courts will put an end to this sicko religion.

[LLaFren]

Why do I see DNA playing a key factor in all this? I know in my home state, anyone convicted of a crime must give up DNA, is Tx the same?

It sure would help figure out who the "daddies" are to the teen age girls children!

[donna]

Originally posted by gxm17


Thank goodness there are laws to protect young girls from the dirty old men who want to claim them as "spiritual" wives all in the name of "religion." Child rape is disgusting no matter what justification you wrap it up in.


JMHO. [/*]

I am with you on this one, gxm17!
You can put a pig in a dress to try to dress it up, but it is still just a pig in a dress! Rape of underage girls under the guise of religion is just plain wrong!

[Devotion]

Originally posted by lady

I'm so glad that this sicko religion is finally being brought to justice.
No Religion has the right to molest children

and throw out and abandon young boys to fend for themselves because they want the young girls for themselves.
50 year old men do NOT have the right to have sex with 13 year old girls

and make them pregnant against their will.

I hope the Courts will put an end to this sicko religion.... [/*]

Can anyone explain this double standard to me.
Doesn't our LAWS apply to everyone in the U.S.?

Doesn't men and women (school teachers) get prison time for having sex with even ONE minor?

arrested for coming to a minors house with the intention of having sex!

WHY aren't these men looked at as sex offenders??

It's the same as other sex offenders in the US...only alot more of it happening...including abuse, rape, torture, neglect and a form of imprisonment.......jmo

[AmyO]

Those FLDS men who are running this place should have thought twice about Texas. DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS. LE there does not put up with crap like this. Arizone and Utah are one thing but they made a grave mistake setting up camp in Texas. Those lawyers of theirs (FLDS) are now trying to have the search warrant ammended. GOOD LUCK a-holes. They're just gonna have to deal with it. I hope LE gets as much evidence as they can get their hands on. The old men want sex so bad, get it in prison just like Jeffs is getting. Then they'll know what abuse is. Just makes me sick.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by dicee
I hope these kids aren't seperated from their families and forced to join a world they may not want to be a part of. [/*]
I don't understand this comment. Who wouldn't want to be part of a free world?? Are you saying these girls would choose to stay in this cult?

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Devotion


Can anyone explain this double standard to me.
Doesn't our LAWS apply to everyone in the U.S.?

Doesn't men and women (school teachers) get prison time for having sex with even ONE minor?

arrested for coming to a minors house with the intention of having sex!

WHY aren't these men looked at as sex offenders??

It's the same as other sex offenders in the US...only alot more of it happening...including abuse, rape, torture, neglect and a form of imprisonment.......jmo [/*]
All FLDS members are subject ot the laws of our land. LE had never received any call for help until now, hence the raid. Texas will prosecute these $astards to the fullest extent of the law, just like Arizona did with Jeffs. That was just the tip of the iceberg. There are some communities where the police are FLDS members and the compounds and the goings-on are protected by them. Not in Texas!!

[AmyO]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Amy, of course some would.

This wasn't a group of people where the women were shackled to stakes and not allowed to leave - they chose this life. As many of the girls would also have chosen to stay. That's the weirdness of a cult - you think no one would choose it, but this was a HUGE compound, and the adult women were there by choice. [/*]
They are brainwashed. Once they're away and can be deprogrammed, there is no way they'd choose to go back. imo.

[awareness]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ


IMO It is a religion, wasn't Moses a polygamist? Lots of people in the Bible were. I read Deuteronomy...women were viewed as important as a man's donkey! A women is supposed to be submissive to her husband according to the Bible....... [/*]

Moses married Tzipporah, one of Jethro's seven (or eight?) daughters and they had two sons Gershom and Eliezer (Exodus 2:11-22; 18:3-4). Im not sure if Moses had any other wives & havent read anything like that, but he could have. I know Islam allows multiple wives.

I suppose all religions are created at some point, even the Bible itself had the Counsel of Niacin to create 'the bible' where they debated which books would and wouldn't be included. Example is the Book of Mary Magdaline isn't included.

Joseph Smith had been convicted of virtually being a fraud before he claims he saw the Angel Moroni for "treasure seeking". "Fraud" may not be the exact word of what he was convicted of being, but it meant the same (Brodie's book is at home otherwise Id quote it directly, she used public records in part to back her claims up). He'd treasure seek by using his "seer stones" in a hat where they'd tell Joseph where a treasure was buried/hidden. People paid him to find treasure and he wasnt able to deliver. Eventually Joseph used the hat (I think with his favorite seer stone) to create the book of Mormon. The original Book of Mormon was hidden or destroyed by Martin Harris' wife after Martin took it home to pacify his wife since he was spending so much time & money on Joseph's new religion and she was upset about that (IIRC they later divorced). Joseph then re-transcribed the book. Id LOVE to see what the original, first book said though... somehow I doubt it was the same although themes/storylines may have been close. No archeological evidence has been found to support Joseph's claims FWIW - granted, Im sure the Bible also has little evidence, but it does have some.

JMO/IMO

[donna]

Originally posted by AmyO

They are brainwashed. Once they're away and can be deprogrammed, there is no way they'd choose to go back. imo. [/*]

I agree, AmyO. I just cannot understand why the mothers do not have enough maternal instincts telling them that this is their daughter and she is too young to be a wife and mother. I know the mothers are brainwashed also, but I just do not understand their mindset that it is OK for their young daughters to have to lose their youth and innocense to these monsters.

Lets hope that even the adult women are deprogrammed to know that it is so very wrong.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by donna


I agree, AmyO. I just cannot understand why the mothers do not have enough maternal instincts telling them that this is their daughter and she is too young to be a wife and mother. I know the mothers are brainwashed also, but I just do not understand their mindset that it is OK for their young daughters to have to lose their youth and innocense to these monsters.

Lets hope that even the adult women are deprogrammed to know that it is so very wrong. [/*]
Me too donna. I feel confident that the hearing going on right now in Texas about the search warrant will result in it being upheld. These dudes picked the wrong state. Thank goodness for these kids and young women. They have a chance to be free. :rose:

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by Devotion



snip
Doesn't men and women (school teachers) get prison time for having sex with even ONE minor?

[/*]

Unless your too pretty for jail...Deborah Lafevre.

[AmyO]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf


Unless your too pretty for jail...Deborah Lafevre. [/*]
Oh come on - this is nothing like her case. And yes, there is a double standard. I understand why. What she did was wrong, but horny boys are nothing like these 13/14/15 year-old girls who are being raped by 50 year-old men. These girls aren't even allowed to LOOK at boys until it's "their time". OMG. I am so glad these sick freaks are being exposed.

[Pretty Leaf]

Originally posted by AmyO

Oh come on - this is nothing like her case. And yes, there is a double standard. I understand why. What she did was wrong, but horny boys are nothing like these 13/14/15 year-old girls who are being raped by 50 year-old men. These girls aren't even allowed to LOOK at boys until it's "their time". OMG. I am so glad these sick freaks are being exposed. [/*]

Agreed nothing like this case just a statement to the line of another poster. Lafevre is a sexual offender that did no jail time.

These girls in the sect didn't have to wait to " look at boys", the men already had plans for them way before that.

[texski]

i heard on one of the tv news stations today that the girls were saying they did not know where they were born, when they were born, who their parents were, etc.
sounds to me like they were drilled before not to say anything to any outsiders. like the army, name, rank and seriel number.
but in this case how can you determine if they were underage or not. anyone know if they were ever registered at birth. if they are getting welfare money they would have too ?? and you cannot ask the mothers, they say they do not know who their mothers are???

[juliekan]

Originally posted by AmyO

Me too donna. I feel confident that the hearing going on right now in Texas about the search warrant will result in it being upheld. These dudes picked the wrong state. Thank goodness for these kids and young women. They have a chance to be free. :rose: [/*]

Did ya'll know that the same judge that issued the warrant is the judge hearing the case about it not being valid? :patriot:

[Devotion]

Originally posted by AmyO

Oh come on - this is nothing like her case.

And yes, there is a double standard. I understand why.

What she did was wrong, but horny boys are nothing like these 13/14/15 year-old girls who are

being raped by 50 year-old men.

These girls aren't even allowed to LOOK at boys until it's "their time".
OMG. I am so glad these sick freaks are being exposed...... [/*]

Has anyone seen a good-looking 50 year old guy in that whole bunch? I haven't?

There's a big difference in a young good looking teenage boy and a 50 yr. old perverted man.

What cute 13 yr. old girl would want to sleep with an old, wrinkled, balding guy with bad breath? It would have to be a forced act of rape....IMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by texski
i heard on one of the tv news stations today that the girls were saying they did not know where they were born, when they were born, who their parents were, etc.
sounds to me like they were drilled before not to say anything to any outsiders. like the army, name, rank and seriel number.
but in this case how can you determine if they were underage or not. anyone know if they were ever registered at birth. if they are getting welfare money they would have too ?? and you cannot ask the mothers, they say they do not know who their mothers are??? [/*]They will have to have DNA tests, I think. Even then, with all the intermarrying, it will be difficult to sort it out.

The mothers know who their children are, but apparently they are afraid to talk.

[wandering]

Larry King just reported the abuser's name: Dale Evans Barlow, age 50.

[VC2]

Originally posted by wandering
They will have to have DNA tests, I think. Even then, with all the intermarrying, it will be difficult to sort it out.

The mothers know who their children are, but apparently they are afraid to talk. [/*]

On NG a woman who lived in a cult like this said the children are taken away from the mothers at birth and given to other women to raise. Partly so that the women will not know who the kids are and therefore not leave since there is no way they will leave without their children :( I am not so sure the moms do know in a lot of the cases

[Devotion]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ

IMO It is a religion, wasn't Moses a polygamist?
Lots of people in the Bible were.

I read Deuteronomy...women were viewed as important as a man's donkey!
A women is supposed to be submissive to her husband according to the Bible....... [/*]

Originally posted by gxm17

Thank goodness there are laws to protect young girls from the dirty old men who want to claim them as "spiritual" wives all in the name of "religion." Child rape is disgusting no matter what justification you wrap it up in.

JMHO. [/*]

Linda777...I believe Moses supported his wives and children....
These men/sperm-donors are having the hard working tax payers support all their children. Where does the Bible say that?

1st timothy 5:8, quoting Proverbs... says a man who does NOT support his family has denied his faith and is worse than a infidel....
......jmo

[wandering]

Originally posted by VC2


On NG a woman who lived in a cult like this said the children are taken away from the mothers at birth and given to other women to raise. Partly so that the women will not know who the kids are and therefore not leave since there is no way they will leave without their children :( I am not so sure the moms do know in a lot of the cases [/*]That's beyond cruel.

I understood that that's not always the case. They also said the women were scared, because of their role in handing the girls over to these pedos.

I'll post the transcript as soon as it comes up.

Watching Larry King now...

[VC2]

Originally posted by wandering
That's beyond cruel.

I understood that that's not always the case. They also said the women were scared, because of their role in handing the girls over to these pedos.

I'll post the transcript as soon as it comes up.

Watching Larry King now... [/*]

I don't think they had much "role" in it. These men had complete control of the women and first/2nd generations grew up with the brainwashing and domination.

IMO the moms are victims as well. Don't forget they believe that the outside world is satan. On NG someone being interviewed said that only the men were allowed out of the compound. I would imagine if the women were it was without kids.

They found a "sex bed" IN the temple so when the leader decided to marry the 13 year old whomever, they had sex right there in the temple immediately after the so called wedding.

Its unbelievable. Heck there are not even enough foster homes for the kids, but im not sure its right to separate them from their kids once they find out who they are (the moms i mean). They ALL need deprogramming :(

imo

[Devotion]

Originally posted by Texanne

I am sickened at the evil that lurks in the heart of a man that would make him think of little girls as his property....his baby making machine.

What makes it worse is that seem to have a culture of dividing up each other's little girls to RAPE...ooops....Wed....marry?

I hope they keep all the underage girls out of that evil cult.
For that matter, the little boys should be rescued also.
I was sickened to hear that one of the young women asked a case worker what crayons were for.

They did not even provide them with crayons. GAG. [/*]

Did the children go to school? if so why didn't they know what a crayon was?
Did they get any education, if so to what degree or grade?
Was the females just kept uneducated, bare-foot and pregnant?..imo

[juliekan]

Walton...just saw a nice looking lady on Larry King, in a red suit named Pennie Petersen? Is that who you were looking for?

[juliekan]

www.myeldorado.net

raid is over. lawmen back to their normal patrols.

Now what will the men from the compound do?

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Devotion


Did the children go to school? if so why didn't they know what a crayon was?
Did they get any education, if so to what degree or grade?
Was the females just kept uneducated, bare-foot and pregnant?..imo [/*]
I read a lot of stuff online yesterday trying to figure that out. Looks like they all get homeschooling through about 8th grade. One site was bragging on them winning spelling bees and such. Other sites made a point of the fact that anyone leaving the sect would have to work toward a GED to get a HS diploma.

[gxm17]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ


Like I said..I don't really give a rats butt if consenting adults chose to enter into a plural marriage.

I draw the line at child sexual assault ... [/*]

When the "marriage" is so removed from society that individual rights are non-existent there can be no consent. Confining people away from society to facilitate indoctrination is not religious freedom, it is religious tyranny. And, IMO, it's is in direct opposition to the founding ideals of our country.

JMHO.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by gxm17


When the "marriage" is so removed from society that individual rights are non-existent there can be no consent. Confining people away from society to facilitate indoctrination is not religious freedom, it is religious tyranny. And, IMO, it's is in direct opposition to the founding ideals of our country.

JMHO. [/*]
My concern is that polygamy is illegal, marriage (much less pregnancy) to a 15 year old is illegal in the state of Texas. We already had a leg to stand on. Just took it slow to make sure another Branch Di didn't happen. :patriot:

[juliekan]

On CNN, someone is complaining about so many people being removed from the compound because of one complaint. I say if they had produced the one girl that called, they wouldn't have had to take all of them. Logic...right?

[gxm17]

Originally posted by juliekan

My concern is that polygamy is illegal, marriage (much less pregnancy) to a 15 year old is illegal in the state of Texas. We already had a leg to stand on. Just took it slow to make sure another Branch Di didn't happen. :patriot: [/*]

Thank goodness Texas has rescued these women and children. It's appalling that this sort of child abuse has been allowed to go on under the guise of "religion." My heart goes out to these kids and I hope they get all the love and tender care they need (and deserve).

JMHO.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by gxm17


Thank goodness Texas has rescued these women and children. It's appalling that this sort of child abuse has been allowed to go on under the guise of "religion." My heart goes out to these kids and I hope they get all the love and tender care they need (and deserve).

JMHO. [/*]
My son's going to college in the fall, I wouldn't mind having a group of them stay at my house...I'd have to behave but oh well:beer: (root beer)

[wandering]

Originally posted by juliekan
On CNN, someone is complaining about so many people being removed from the compound because of one complaint. I say if they had produced the one girl that called, they wouldn't have had to take all of them. Logic...right? [/*]Maybe they should have removed all the men--to jail! :cuss:

[juliekan]

Originally posted by wandering
Maybe they should have removed all the men--to jail! :cuss: [/*]
woohoo! just take the little boys out of the mix and maybe they can start over

[juliekan]

Warrants too broad from Greta Van Susteren

Observed a number of young girls who had already had children.
Upset that Barlow was not on the sex offenders list.
Imminent risk to teenage girls at the compound.
One says to err on the side of caution for the young girls...Greta saying Jim Hammer is wrong per constitutional violation.
Now a guy yelling that the mayor said he knew what was going on and should have stepped in earlier.
Greta says we were all stupid on how we (LE) handled this!!!
I used to love Greta...
:flamemad:

[Pretty Leaf]

I think it was on NG but a former female cult member said the men used to "waterboard" the infants so they would learn not to cry.

[juliekan]

I saw a former sect member testify to that practice.:eek:

[VC2]

Here is what is bothering me immensely

When Warren Jeffs was arrested and tried for arranging the marriage of a young girl, and the girl/now woman testified....LE must have gotten information from her on the number of people in the sect (heck that they could probably have gotten on their own in some way) the number of girls, and it would be CLEAR that if he is doing it once that he is marrying more children!

Surely they knew that there were hundreds more children getting raped when they turned 13.

imo

[VC2]

Anderson 360

confidential informant led them to the sex bed in the temple
Sarah (the girl who called) still not found

Men are now being allowed to leave the ranch but not allowed to return

GRRRRRRRRRRR
:flamemad: so any pedo is now walking the streets if he wants.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

uggghhh former FDLS says the sex bed was used in front of an audience at times so "god witnessed the marriage" :flamemad:

[cleo612]

Originally posted by VC2


~~~~~~~~~~~snipped for space

They found a "sex bed" IN the temple so when the leader decided to marry the 13 year old whomever, they had sex right there in the temple immediately after the so called wedding.

~~~~~~~~~~~snipped for space

imo [/*]

VC2, could you please provide a link for this? This is the first I have heard/read of this. I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, doubt your word, I would just like to see where you found this so that I can read whatever publication from whence it came in full.

Thank you.

[VC2]

Originally posted by cleo612


VC2, could you please provide a link for this? This is the first I have heard/read of this. I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, doubt your word, I would just like to see where you found this so that I can read whatever publication from whence it came in full.

Thank you. [/*]

I didn't read it, it was breaking news on anderson360 (cnn) at 11 pm est. The part about the audience was in an interview with a former FDLS member.

Here is an article about the bed though.
"Court documents say teenage girls were required to have sex in the soaring white temple after they were married at a polygamist compound in West Texas.

A confidential informant told officials the temple in Eldorado contains a bed where adult males engage in sexual activity with females under the age of 17."

and later in the article
"The temple also contained multiple locked safes, vaults and desk drawers that authorities sought access to. The affidavit unsealed Wednesday mentions a 16-year-old girl who has four children."

http://www.team4news.com/Global/story.asp?S=8144941&nav=menu90_3

[juliekan]

I'm glad to hear of an informant in the compound. I know I heard about Eldorado back at the start because I went home to visit my mom and it was in the newspaper way back then. They have also made it clear that they have kept close ties with the compound trying to make things work out over the years. I think they were smart to wait and watch and be smart before they moved in. I have seen some complaints on sites about LE waiting so long, but even after all this time there are complaints about them moving in, after calls complaining of abuse.

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan
Walton...just saw a nice looking lady on Larry King, in a red suit named Pennie Petersen? Is that who you were looking for? [/*]

Pennie is a nice looking lady and she has a smile that can warm the heart, but the person I was talking about was reporting the news.

I took a nap before I turned on the tv tonight and sat thru the programs. :) ( I'll figure out this overworked, old aged, hard of hearing and seeing part of my life out yet.)

The name of the lady is Campbell Brown. She truly seemed informed about the things she was talking about and asking about. The whole program was shall I say, organized and informative. I liked that. I should have known she was part of CNN and 360.

I watched part of Nancy tonight as well. She started to chew on JL just a bit. I was waiting for JL to start chewing back. lol

[juliekan]

Hey Walton, Campbell is a sweetie, been watching her for years.
She got into the big time reporting when G Bush Jr. was running for office.
Just looked at www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8859783 and it sounds like they have actually found the girl that made the call, unfortunantly sounds like he is a different guy than was on the warrant...could that be a problem? My cousin lives in San Angelo, and her husband is a retired judge, but there are some family probs going on and I hate to call about this...would love to know what they know.

[Details]

I never worry much about what consentual adults do - but the women, probably even many of the men in the compound can't be described as consentual even when they are adult, in many cases. They aren't allowed to leave - and when they got the chance 188 left. It's pretty sick. They're in a spot where they cannot withhold consent - they have no power to.

[juliekan]

grammy, check my site I just posted above. Sounds like they may have found the girl because there is now a specific man named as the aggressor:confused:

[juliekan]

Originally posted by Details
I never worry much about what consentual adults do - but the women, probably even many of the men in the compound can't be described as consentual even when they are adult, in many cases. They aren't allowed to leave - and when they got the chance 188 left. It's pretty sick. They're in a spot where they cannot withhold consent - they have no power to. [/*]
And if the women were born and raised in this situation...what else do they know?

[walton]

Originally posted by juliekan
Hey Walton, Campbell is a sweetie, been watching her for years.
She got into the big time reporting when G Bush Jr. was running for office.
Just looked at www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_8859783 and it sounds like they have actually found the girl that made the call, unfortunantly sounds like he is a different guy than was on the warrant...could that be a problem? My cousin lives in San Angelo, and her husband is a retired judge, but there are some family probs going on and I hate to call about this...would love to know what they know. [/*]

There are a lot of Barlows. A lot. And the name goes back a long ways.

http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/NEWS01/804080313

Loader said the case against Barlow was because of a third marriage to a girl under the age of 18 when Jeffs, the prophet of the FLDS Church, was still running the show. Loader said the girl still lives with Barlow and is now 25.

Loader said he has kept a tight rein on Barlow - especially since the events in Texas at the YFZ Ranch.

"He reports daily by phone and is very compliant," Loader said. "He (Barlow) is quite concerned about the allegations against him."

Part of Barlow's terms of probation includes registering as a sex offender.

Although Barlow could not be found on any site, including the state of Arizona's Web site for sex offenders, Loader said he is sure that Barlow is registered, as are the other Colorado City men who were charged with similar crimes by grand


But I gotta tell ya, I think a sex offender who should be listed on the registry and isn't that calls his probation officer by phone probably should raise more than just my eyebrow.

As we all know they even had "cell phones" at the YFZ ranch in Texas.

Things that make a person say Hmmmm.

[walton]

Originally posted by wandering
Maybe they should have removed all the men--to jail! :cuss: [/*]

I thought that too at first. And then I thought why house them in the local jails. Why not just let them stay out there running the ranch with out the women and children.

They are all in one spot. All behind a wall of LE. And they feed themselves.

I sure do love how those Texans think. Smart bunch! :patriot:

The government officals in other states better stop talking and start doing. jmo

[VC2]

I have a few questions.

1. Why are the men not being detained on suspicion of conspiracy re sexual assault etc. That should allow a dna test to see if they are the fathers of any babies from underage teens. Rather than all being free to leave.

-all i can think of is the court system cannot handle a couple of hundred sexual assault arrests or conspiracy arrests. So they are letting them go.

2. I heard on a teaser for Oreilly (which i refuse to watch) that there are not anywhere near enough foster homes for the children, let alone what to do with the women. So what is the plan for them?

3. Why is the outrage not louder and this story not bigger. We are talking probably at least 100 children raped and assaulted. Im even a little surprised at how slow this forum is compared to some considering the magnitude of the crimes. Even the title..warrants served .. shouldn't be dozens or more children raped on FDLS compound?

i guess im frustrated. This seems to be being treated as some sort of simple lifestyle sickness with the men free and remaining free.

4. Why are ALL the compounds not raided. They should have been raided as soon warren jeffs was found guilty of arranging child marriages when the case showed clearly it is a part of the sects normal behavior. If Joe Blow was arrested for sex/spiritual marriage with a 13 year old and testimony showed that his brother had been a part of it as well -a family thing of molesting kids, then they would be arrested in a heart beat. Is it different because its hundreds not 2? Or is it the word "marriage" that makes the men untouchable?

just my musings and imo.

[juliekan]

Originally posted by walton


There are a lot of Barlows. A lot. And the name goes back a long ways.

http://www.thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080408/NEWS01/804080313

Loader said the case against Barlow was because of a third marriage to a girl under the age of 18 when Jeffs, the prophet of the FLDS Church, was still running the show. Loader said the girl still lives with Barlow and is now 25.

Loader said he has kept a tight rein on Barlow - especially since the events in Texas at the YFZ Ranch.

"He reports daily by phone and is very compliant," Loader said. "He (Barlow) is quite concerned about the allegations against him."

Part of Barlow's terms of probation includes registering as a sex offender.

Although Barlow could not be found on any site, including the state of Arizona's Web site for sex offenders, Loader said he is sure that Barlow is registered, as are the other Colorado City men who were charged with similar crimes by grand


But I gotta tell ya, I think a sex offender who should be listed on the registry and isn't that calls his probation officer by phone probably should raise more than just my eyebrow.

As we all know they even had "cell phones" at the YFZ ranch in Texas.

Things that make a person say Hmmmm. [/*]
I've even thrown out the idea that she lived up there, was removed to be remarried down in Eldorado because things weren't working out... just a thought. And he's in an area where the LE has been known to work with them. If the parole officer was just keeping contact by cell he didn't have any idea where he actually was...and in Texas I can get online anytime and find the exact street address of any sexual offender.

[VC2]

Originally posted by walton


I thought that too at first. And then I thought why house them in the local jails. Why not just let them stay out there running the ranch with out the women and children.

They are all in one spot. All behind a wall of LE. And they feed themselves.

I sure do love how those Texans think. Smart bunch! :patriot:

The government officals in other states better stop talking and start doing. jmo [/*]

They are NOT locked in the compound behind the wall of LE.

As of tonight the investigation there has apparently finished and the men are being allowed to leave. It was on CNN.

Its disgusting

imo
and they should be caged in cells not living their daily life even if they were not being allowed to leave, but that is moot bc they can.

[juliekan]

I have to imagine that everyone is on pins and needles knowing those men would want to take their women back? Who's cookin' dinner? I bet the LE is on full aleeeert in case something is happening.

[walton]

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3047752

Shurtleff says Texas investigators had no choice but to investigate a claim of abuse. But he says the raid is making other polygamous groups wonder if they are next.



Do you think?


The YFZ Ranch has been in Texas for 4 years.

Polygamy and the Abuses in Utah and Arizona have been an issue for over 100 years.

I am kinda thinking that there are more issues at hand than the cult itself. Who is hiding behind whom?


Why wait for another victim to call a hotline. Stop the Abuse!!

[juliekan]

Originally posted by juliekan

My concern is that polygamy is illegal, marriage (much less pregnancy) to a 15 year old is illegal in the state of Texas. We already had a leg to stand on. Just took it slow to make sure another Branch Di didn't happen. :patriot: [/*]
Just really lazy..quoting myself. But I feel that LE must be waiting to attack until they have major stuff to fight??

[duncan]

Originally posted by walton
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=3047752

Shurtleff says Texas investigators had no choice but to investigate a claim of abuse. But he says the raid is making other polygamous groups wonder if they are next.



Do you think?


The YFZ Ranch has been in Texas for 4 years.

Polygamy and the Abuses in Utah and Arizona have been an issue for over 100 years.

I am kinda thinking that there are more issues at hand than the cult itself. Who is hiding behind whom?


Why wait for another victim to call a hotline. Stop the Abuse!! [/*]



Why wait, we know girls are raped every day in these compunds, time to stop this crime.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Linda777NJ


IMO It is a religion, wasn't Moses a polygamist? Lots of people in the Bible were. I read Deuteronomy...women were viewed as important as a man's donkey! A women is supposed to be submissive to her husband according to the Bible....... [/*]


I also think LDS is a man made religion, my opinon only but I do read the Bible and I can tell you Moses had one wife, her name was Zipporah, Moses was not a polygamist.

Please provide scripture and verse on a woman being equal to a donkey, and as a christian I do focus more on the New Testament, the Gospel of Jesus the Son of God.

Polygamy is a sin and raping children is sin and a criminal act in America. omo

[duncan]

Originally posted by AmyO

Oh come on - this is nothing like her case. And yes, there is a double standard. I understand why. What she did was wrong, but horny boys are nothing like these 13/14/15 year-old girls who are being raped by 50 year-old men. These girls aren't even allowed to LOOK at boys until it's "their time". OMG. I am so glad these sick freaks are being exposed. [/*]




:patriot:

[VC2]

Originally posted by juliekan

Just really lazy..quoting myself. But I feel that LE must be waiting to attack until they have major stuff to fight?? [/*]

*tearing hair out here* child rape IS major stuff!

imo

[juliekan]

They had no complaint registered therefore could not legally just invade those people. You want LE just showing up at your house because they heard someone say something bad about you? That would make it all right to trample on your civil rights, V?

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by VC2
Anderson 360

confidential informant led them to the sex bed in the temple
Sarah (the girl who called) still not found

Men are now being allowed to leave the ranch but not allowed to return

GRRRRRRRRRRR
:flamemad: so any pedo is now walking the streets if he wants.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

uggghhh former FDLS says the sex bed was used in front of an audience at times so "god witnessed the marriage" :flamemad: [/*]

IF that last part turns out to be accurate, that should give LE & social services additional leverage in court to justify a long separation of the abused from the abusers, imo.

I don't 'want' that information to be true, but if it is, I pray that someone, somewhere, will be willing to testify about it. My fear is that IF it is true, it would be the sort of thing witnessed by other men, but not by any of the women. I imagine that men who were willing to witness and/or take part in ritual assaults like that will not be real inclined to admit to it, for many reasons.

JMO

[peachdaquari]

Originally posted by juliekan
They had no complaint registered therefore could not legally just invade those people. You want LE just showing up at your house because they heard someone say something bad about you? That would make it all right to trample on your civil rights, V? [/*] if someone said I was raping, abusing my child they would and should be at my front door in a NY minute!! Damn civil rights when it comes to child abuse

[juliekan]

Originally posted by peachdaquari
if someone said I was raping, abusing my child they would and should be at my front door in a NY minute!! Damn civil rights when it comes to child abuse [/*]
Sheriff Doran is on TV right now saying that they had no proof that underage girls were even getting married. Said the sect was very careful who was seen when anyone from the outside came in (tax assessor, etc.). Said they had HEARD that marrying underage girls was sometimes practiced in the FLDS, but until any kind of PROOF, (the girl's complaint), there was nothing they could do. Had to have Probable Cause!!

[peachdaquari]

Originally posted by juliekan

Sheriff Doran is on TV right now saying that they had no proof that underage girls were even getting married. Said the sect was very careful who was seen when anyone from the outside came in (tax assessor, etc.). Said they had HEARD that marrying underage girls was sometimes practiced in the FLDS, but until any kind of PROOF, (the girl's complaint), there was nothing they could do. Had to have Probable Cause!! [/*] I suppose thats true but what about all those women that escaped and have written books and such?? I guess I have been living under a rock I had no idea things like this were going on right under our collective noses :(

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by peachdaquari
I suppose thats true but what about all those women that escaped and have written books and such?? I guess I have been living under a rock I had no idea things like this were going on right under our collective noses :( [/*]

If they escaped, they weren't living on the Eldorado compound. If they were not living on the Eldorado compound, Sheriff Doran could only use that information as a base. To take into account what MAY have been happening. Until he had reason to believe that what had occurred elsewhere, was ALSO occurring THERE, he did not have probable cause to get search warrants.

(sorta O/T, but I'm lovin' watching Sheriff Doran & the TX Ranger at the press conference, each wearing a white hat - what a visual!)

JMO

[peachdaquari]

Originally posted by Mimi428


If they escaped, they weren't living on the Eldorado compound. If they were not living on the Eldorado compound, Sheriff Doran could only use that information as a base. To take into account what MAY have been happening. Until he had reason to believe that what had occurred elsewhere, was ALSO occurring THERE, he did not have probable cause to get search warrants.

(sorta O/T, but I'm lovin' watching Sheriff Doran & the TX Ranger at the press conference, each wearing a white hat - what a visual!)

JMO [/*] I wish I could see it, please let us nontexans know whats new ok?

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by peachdaquari
I wish I could see it, please let us nontexans know whats new ok? [/*]

Both CNN & MSNBC were showing it live for a while. I'm taking a guess that it will be online sometime soon.

Sheriff Doran said that he had an insider's information from about the time the FLDS started arriving. He consistently refused to identify who this person may be, whether they lived on the Eldorado compound, in Utah, Arizona, Canada, etc.

He also said he went to great lengths these past 4 years to develop a respectful relationship with those handful of men who represent themselves as being 'in charge' of the YFZ compound. He repeatedly stated that they (LE) have been trying their best to respect the daily cultural norms of the FLDS (not talking about the sexual stuff, just the daily living things that are common for all of them).

Texas Ranger Capt. gave a few more details on how the search warrant was conducted at the temple. That search was done last, LE talked to the FLDS elders about how that search WAS going to be done & asked them if they would unlock the doors. The elder(s) declined & it was necessary to break through all the locks. Before the search was carried out on the temple, approximately 50-60 people lined up outside the temple in protest. One person only attempted to interfere/prevent the search from being conducted, the rest did not.

To the best of their knowledge (LE) approximately 60 people are not left on the compound. A few are women, the vast majority are men. Attempts were made while the property was being searched to hide children from LE.

It was common practice for the YFZ people to go behind closed doors when outsiders (Sheriff Doran) were on the property. Only a very small number ever interacted with Sheriff Doran, the rest were instructed to go inside, away from the view of outsiders.

All the above is a recap, paraphrased by me.

[peachdaquari]

Originally posted by Mimi428


Both CNN & MSNBC were showing it live for a while. I'm taking a guess that it will be online sometime soon.

Sheriff Doran said that he had an insider's information from about the time the FLDS started arriving. He consistently refused to identify who this person may be, whether they lived on the Eldorado compound, in Utah, Arizona, Canada, etc.

He also said he went to great lengths these past 4 years to develop a respectful relationship with those handful of men who represent themselves as being 'in charge' of the YFZ compound. He repeatedly stated that they (LE) have been trying their best to respect the daily cultural norms of the FLDS (not talking about the sexual stuff, just the daily living things that are common for all of them).

Texas Ranger Capt. gave a few more details on how the search warrant was conducted at the temple. That search was done last, LE talked to the FLDS elders about how that search WAS going to be done & asked them if they would unlock the doors. The elder(s) declined & it was necessary to break through all the locks. Before the search was carried out on the temple, approximately 50-60 people lined up outside the temple in protest. One person only attempted to interfere/prevent the search from being conducted, the rest did not.

To the best of their knowledge (LE) approximately 60 people are not left on the compound. A few are women, the vast majority are men. Attempts were made while the property was being searched to hide children from LE.

It was common practice for the YFZ people to go behind closed doors when outsiders (Sheriff Doran) were on the property. Only a very small number ever interacted with Sheriff Doran, the rest were instructed to go inside, away from the view of outsiders.

All the above is a recap, paraphrased by me. [/*] thank you for the recap :read:

[VC2]

If they had an informant in there for 4 years, i do not believe for one minute they didn't know children were regularly being raped and molested. (or to make it sound nicer for them "young girls being married" :rolleyes: which even the media is using). It seems to be one of the precepts of this sick cult.

This is an outrage!

imo

[cleo612]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/09/texas.ranch/index.html

Affidavit: Teen bride identifies suspect as 'spiritual' husbandStory Highlights
NEW: Authorities found wedding bed in temple, affidavit states

NEW: Document suggests marriages between one man and more than 20 wives

NEW: Girl says she has an 8-month-old child and is pregnant again, affidavit states

416 children from polygamist ranch in state custody, housed at fort and shelter


ELDORADO, Texas (CNN) -- The 16-year-old girl whose phone calls led to a raid on a polygamist compound in Texas identified Dale Evans Barlow as the man who she said beat, choked and sexually assaulted her after their "spiritual marriage," according to a court document unsealed Wednesday.

An affidavit says "Sarah," 16, said Dale Evans Barlow, shown in 2005, beat her and forced her to have sex.

The affidavit, signed by Texas Ranger Leslie Brooks Long, also says a former member of the polygamist church told authorities details of the sect's activities -- including a bed inside the group's temple that adult men used to have sex with underage girls immediately after wedding ceremonies.

After authorities raided the ranch late Thursday, the ranger "observed the bed within the temple that had disturbed bed linens and a strand of hair that appears to be from a female head."

The document said the 16-year-old, whom state officials call Sarah, identified her husband as a 49-year-old named Dale Barlow.

Dale Evans Barlow, who turned 50 in November, was arrested in Arizona in 2005 on charges of conspiracy to have sex with a minor. He was placed on three years probation.

State officials said Wednesday they believe they have taken the 16-year-old girl into protective custody, but that she may be afraid to identify herself.

****more info at link

[cleo612]

Read the Affidavit mentioned above:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/04/09/yfz.affidavit.pdf

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