Tuesday-04-01-08

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


The affidavit or SW says the opposite. That she learned all of it while on the way to the lawyers office that morning.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Do you have a link to the actual affidavit, GB (without me having to wade through the Links thread)? Or is it in nelkirk's long post? I don't think all of it is.......

I'm lazy. Help me out. :D

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by caejde


Yep, that's what it said. Which is why I asked if she had to sign anything. It wasn't answered but I was thinking she would have had to sign a statement and then that statement was used for the search warrant. Surely they wouldn't get information from her without having her sign anything. [/*]

I answered you. I said no. Not a search warrant.
The officer signs the search warrant. jmo

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I answered you. I said no. Not a search warrant.
The officer signs the search warrant. jmo [/*]

Did you read what I just posted???? You said she didnt' sign the search warrant. My recent post asked if she would have signed a statement of what she told detectives. And from that statement, they got a search warrant. Surely she didn't just pour everything out and detectives let her go without signing anything...because all she has to do is dispute what she said.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I answered you. I said no. Not a search warrant.
The officer signs the search warrant. jmo [/*]

Wouldn't the notes be probable cause to get a SW?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I just couldn't stay there and especially not with my child. I don't care if he told me a body was buried adjacent to our place or not.....I would be looking out the windows at those spooky woods and get the heebie jeebies.

Yes, and she must have been sleeping soundly since she said she didn't realize he was gone until she got up.:shrug: Amazing.

imoo [/*]
As IF when he said in the woods, she didn't ask "where in the woods?" :D

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by bkwits


I'm getting more confused. What then was the conversation in the car/truck on the way to the lawyer's when Cesar said, "Are you with me on this?" When did CL tell Ctina he could get the DP? I suppose that was Thurs. nite, right? [/*]

Yes, I think the search warrant is up for interpretation. Exactly what was said at what time and how much time was between each point. There was only two sentences said on the way to the lawyer from what the SW says. jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Yes, I think the search warrant is up for interpretation. Exactly what was said at what time and how much time was between each point. There was only two sentences said on the way to the lawyer from what the SW says. jmo [/*]

Just those two sentences were spoken? What did I miss?

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by bkwits


Wouldn't the notes be probable cause to get a SW? [/*]

The SW contains the probable cause.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


Yep, that's what it said. Which is why I asked if she had to sign anything. It wasn't answered but I was thinking she would have had to sign a statement and then that statement was used for the search warrant. Surely they wouldn't get information from her without having her sign anything. [/*]

IF LE sits you down to chat here, you sign and initial a typed statement and initial all four corners of each page or you can refuse to sign it, tho you've just left them the opportunity to claim you said anything they might want to say, should you refuse.

JMOOC. :shrug:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by strick10


Just those two sentences were spoken? What did I miss? [/*]

I can't get a link to the SW. Didn't Cesar say are you with me and Christina said she didn't know is there something you haven't told me. Paraphased.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


Wouldn't the notes be probable cause to get a SW? [/*]

If they went by what the notes said they would have stayed looking in the woods instead of directing it toward the home. I think what prompted the SW was his statement that Maria had slit her throat at his home and when SB and team walked the grounds to the back........they knew where she was buried.

I am sure they brought her into the station to give them a signed sworn statement. That is customary when LE gets a statement from anyone about a case.

imoo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I can't get a link to the SW. Didn't Cesar say are you with me and Christina said she didn't know is there something you haven't told me. Paraphased. [/*]

Link to Affidavit/Search Warrant
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54596___article.html/lauterbach_told.html

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Do you have a link to the actual affidavit, GB (without me having to wade through the Links thread)? Or is it in nelkirk's long post? I don't think all of it is.......

I'm lazy. Help me out. :D [/*]

Oh my, you are having a lazy streak and I am getting the flu. lol Dang if I know where it is now. Have you checked the link thread?

Please don't ask me to go look for it........I am so terrible at searching even when I am not puny. lol

imoo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Link to Affidavit/Search Warrant
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54596___article.html/lauterbach_told.html [/*]

That one doesn't give whole doc, try this one
http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/1200604372-1200598445affidavitverizonset09web.pdf

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Link to Affidavit/Search Warrant
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54596___article.html/lauterbach_told.html [/*]

Thanks Lynn_T.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I can't get a link to the SW. Didn't Cesar say are you with me and Christina said she didn't know is there something you haven't told me. Paraphased. [/*]

I remember what the SW says, got it on file here. If those are the only sentences spoken it leads me to believe that a discussion regarding the entire issue had been previously discussed? I don't get that nothing else was said. Maybe just another piece of info we're not privy to, the rest of the convo if there was anymore.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


I remember what the SW says, got it on file here. If those are the only sentences spoken it leads me to believe that a discussion regarding the entire issue had been previously discussed? I don't get that nothing else was said. Maybe just another piece of info we're not privy to, the rest of the convo if there was anymore. [/*]

That certainly sounds reasonable Strick. But again, this is all according to Christina with nobody here to dispute it right? ;)

JMO tho.

[henry]

thanks lyn t - page 2 - #18 answers a lot of questions/speculation this afternoon . . . wish i had read it sooner :)

[Lyn_T]

Going thru the archives on JDNews I ran across this
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54755___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

[QUOTE]“The better-reasoned cases in North Carolina have said that simply knowing about an act doesn’t make a person guilty of accessory after the fact,” he said. “A person could, however, be charged with obstruction of justice or something along those lines.”

[henry]

just over reading the comments section at jd news . . . does anyone know what john sirica is talking about? mentions christine & amber in the post . . .

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html


edit: lyn t - must have bumped into you over there & didn't recognize you :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by henry
thanks lyn t - page 2 - #18 answers a lot of questions/speculation this afternoon . . . wish i had read it sooner :) [/*]

So it seems like she brought her attorney (legal counsel) with her when she came to the base that morning. How could she find an attorney so early in the morning right out of the blue?

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by henry
just over reading the comments section at jd news . . . does anyone know what john sirica is talking about? mentions christine & amber in the post . . .

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html


edit: lyn t - must have bumped into you over there & didn't recognize you :D [/*]

Pretty cleaver writing I'd have to say though I'm not sure exactly what he's trying to say. Other than the Fobbit part the rest is something to be given thought to to get it I suppose.

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


So it seems like she brought her attorney (legal counsel) with her when she came to the base that morning. How could she find an attorney so early in the morning right out of the blue?

imoo [/*]

That early in the a.m. she probably would've had to have contacted the lawyer at home no? :shrug:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by strick10


I remember what the SW says, got it on file here. If those are the only sentences spoken it leads me to believe that a discussion regarding the entire issue had been previously discussed? I don't get that nothing else was said. Maybe just another piece of info we're not privy to, the rest of the convo if there was anymore. [/*]

We don't know exactly what was said the morning of the 10th en route to the attorney.

According to RS in the link, Maria did not know about the suicide until late Thursday.

I don't believe everything in the SW was said on the morning of the 10th.

JMO

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by henry
just over reading the comments section at jd news . . . does anyone know what john sirica is talking about? mentions christine & amber in the post . . .

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html


edit: lyn t - must have bumped into you over there & didn't recognize you :D [/*]

:lol: :lol: If you are referencing Lowe's I am still laughing.

I saw his post this am and even though my son and I talk in code, I have no clue what he is attempting to say, other than Fobbit part.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


That early in the a.m. she probably would've had to have contacted the lawyer at home no? :shrug: [/*]

Would the MC have provided her counsel? I know later she retained a private attorney...

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


So it seems like she brought her attorney (legal counsel) with her when she came to the base that morning. How could she find an attorney so early in the morning right out of the blue?

imoo [/*]

We always knew that.:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Would the MC have provided her counsel? I know later she retained a private attorney... [/*]

IMO I don't see why they would. She was not on active status and the incident, though it involved Marines, is not in the Marines jurisdiction. Then again, there's no telling, maybe they did offer someone just for that morning until she obtained private cousel because it did involve Marines, I doubt it though. I just couldn't tell ya for sure.

[Lynn Gweeny]

From the Search Warrant (bottom of page 4, top of page 5):

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Cell+Phone+Search+Warrant.pdf

18. Christina S. Laurean reported to the Sheriff’s Office with legal cousel and with an active duty, U.S. Marine Corps Master Sergeant, who had been in Christina Laurean’s military chain of command before she returned to civilian status.

19. On January 11, 2008, I spoke to Christina S. Laurean, the wife of Cesar Laurean. Cesar Laurean was accused, by Maria Lauterbach, of allegedly raping Maria Lauterbach. She told me:

a. In May of 2007, her husband, Cesar Laurean, told her that he had been accused of rape by a junior Marine.

*. Her husband told her that he did not do it.

c. Her husband updated her on the progress of the investigation of the allegation of rape very couple of months

d. In July of 2007, her husband told her that the female who had accused him of rape was pregnant

e. Her husband told her he was not the father of the baby

f. Her husband recently told her that the Marine who had accused him of rape had been placed in a military status of “Unauthorized Absence”

g. She asked him what that meant for his case and he said he did not know

h. Her husband later told her that the civilian investigators wanted to speak to him about the disappearance of Maria Lauterbach

i. He told her that he had retained legal counsel

j. On the morning of January 10 2008, she and her husband rode to the office of Jacksonville Attorney Mark Raynor. While enroute, her husband asked her, “if she was with him on this” She told him, “I do not know. Is there anything that you have not told me”

k. Cesar Laurean told her that:

... (1) On December 15, 2007, Maria Lauterbach visited their residence at XXX XXXXXX XXXXX, Jacksonville, North Carolina.

… (2) Maria Lauterbach told him she had a plan and was leaving the area.

… (3) Maria Lauterbach demanded money from him.

… (4) He then went to the bus station and helped Lauterbach to purchase a ticket.

… (5) Later in the evening, Maria Lauterbach went back to their residence, told him that her plan had failed, that an argument has ensued

… (6) Maria Lauterbach was disoriented, agitated, and acting differently

… (7) Maria Lauterbach produced a knife and killed herself by slitting her throat

… (8) He became scared, he took her body to a wooded area adjacent to his residence, and buried her

… (9) He obtained legal counsel and he explained the facts to them

… (10) He was told that he was facing the death penalty

l. At approximately 4:00 A.M., on January 11, 2008, Cesar Laurean left their residence. She has not seen him since then

m. She discovered several notes that were written by her husband, wherein he described his involvement in the death of Maria Lauterbach

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


IMO I don't see why they would. She was not on active status and the incident, though it involved Marines, is not in the Marines jurisdiction. Then again, there's no telling, maybe they did offer someone just for that morning until she obtained private cousel because it did involve Marines, I doubt it though. I just couldn't tell ya for sure. [/*]

Okay, thanks...

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Going thru the archives on JDNews I ran across this
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54755___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

[QUOTE]“The better-reasoned cases in North Carolina have said that simply knowing about an act doesn’t make a person guilty of accessory after the fact,” he said. “A person could, however, be charged with obstruction of justice or something along those lines.” [/*]

That makes me even more sure Christina won't be charged. jmo

Thanks for the link.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


That early in the a.m. she probably would've had to have contacted the lawyer at home no? :shrug: [/*]

I really don't know but they said it was very early and for some reason obtaining a lawyer at a moment's notice seems to be rather easy for the Laureans. Lawyers seem to be glued to their hip and beckoning call.

Strange that she would think that clearly when all of this was first happening. I would be so nervous I couldn't think straight or know what I really needed to do.

Remember the wire transfer from Houston that said it was mostly for attorney fees? I now think they were for CSL attorney.......he was going over the border and wouldn't be needing one but imo he felt she would.

imoo

[caejde]

After reading the search warrant, it still seems to me that Cesar told her everything on that morning. If it would have been later that he told her it would have been another line instead of the same one.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


We always knew that.:shrug: [/*]

Yes, I remember that.

BTW TY LynT for the link.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


We always knew that.:shrug: [/*]

I missed that somehow. I thought an ex-boss (friend) brought her there. I didn't know she had already lawyered up before all of this even began on the morning of the 11th.

I thought she obtained a lawyer later on when CS said she would be speaking with them from then on out with her attorney present.

:shrug:

imo

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


That early in the a.m. she probably would've had to have contacted the lawyer at home no? :shrug: [/*]

And how would she know what lawyer to contact? Because her lawyer isn't any of the ones Cesar was seeing. If I remember right, they didn't show up to the sheriff's department until around 0900. So that would give her plenty of time to get an attorney up to speed I guess. Also, she went through NCIS before going to the sheriff's.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by caejde
After reading the search warrant, it still seems to me that Cesar told her everything on that morning. If it would have been later that he told her it would have been another line instead of the same one. [/*]

Why would CS say what he did then?:shrug:

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Why would CS say what he did then?:shrug: [/*]

I'm not Capt. Sutherland so I don't know. I don't know why it would be in the search warrant if it wasn't true. If I'm wrong, i will admit...but as of right now it is my opinion that she knew that morning.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde


I'm not Capt. Sutherland so I don't know. I don't know why it would be in the search warrant if it wasn't true. If I'm wrong, i will admit...but as of right now it is my opinion that she knew that morning. [/*]

I don't know either. I will continue to believe it is correct unless it is not proven to be factual. I would think they would be extremely careful in what a SW affidavit states since it will wind up in court testimony.

And CS is the PR spokesperson and not a working detective on the case, right?

imoo

[Squawk Box]

OTE]Originally posted by caejde


I'm not Capt. Sutherland so I don't know. I don't know why it would be in the search warrant if it wasn't true. If I'm wrong, i will admit...but as of right now it is my opinion that she knew that morning. [/*][/QUOTE]

The search warrant is open to interpretation as to what was said when. I think Captain Sutherland spoke the truth. Just saying.......


jmo

[henry]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


So it seems like she brought her attorney (legal counsel) with her when she came to the base that morning. How could she find an attorney so early in the morning right out of the blue?

imoo [/*]

yup . . . and her master sergeant - how'd she wake him up :shrug:

[caejde]

I sent Capt Sutherland an email asking about what he said vs what search warrant says. I'll let you know the answer if/when I get it.

[henry]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I really don't know but they said it was very early and for some reason obtaining a lawyer at a moment's notice seems to be rather easy for the Laureans. Lawyers seem to be glued to their hip and beckoning call.

Strange that she would think that clearly when all of this was first happening. I would be so nervous I couldn't think straight or know what I really needed to do.

Remember the wire transfer from Houston that said it was mostly for attorney fees? I now think they were for CSL attorney.......he was going over the border and wouldn't be needing one but imo he felt she would.

imoo [/*]

i threw out the idea a few days(?) ago that there were 2 wire transfers, imo - one to them in NC and one to houston . . . jmo - no links cause i can't remember why i said that :eek:

[Squawk Box]

… (10) He was told that he was facing the death penalty


How could Cesar have told Christina this on the way to the lawyer's office? He didn't even know that yet.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Squawk Box
… (10) He was told that he was facing the death penalty


How could Cesar have told Christina this on the way to the lawyer's office? He didn't even know that yet.

jmo [/*]

He took off work on Tues and Wed also to supposedly speak with lawyers. He could have been told that on one of those days.

JMO

[baywench]

CSL's reactions to me are the key. If I just found out that my husband had killed and burned someone and buried them in my back yard I would be an emotional wreck. Lawyers would not be my first thought. I think I would first call the police (after all I am completely innocent) and then my family go come and stay with me while I waited for them. Again I am innocent, completely deceived and my whole life just was turned upside down, I am a victim....if you believe CSL is innocent this is how she would be feeling IMO She acted like a guilty person covering her own a*S JMO

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


He took off work on Tues and Wed also to supposedly speak with lawyers. He could have been told that on one of those days.

JMO [/*]


I don't understand why another attorney then and he spilled his guts on the way. Just makes no sense to me.:shrug:

Also the PC from RS. jmo

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench
CSL's reactions to me are the key. If I just found out that my husband had killed and burned someone and buried them in my back yard I would be an emotional wreck. Lawyers would not be my first thought. I think I would first call the police (after all I am completely innocent) and then my family go come and stay with me while I waited for them. Again I am innocent, completely deceived and my whole life just was turned upside down, I am a victim....if you believe CSL is innocent this is how she would be feeling IMO She acted like a guilty person covering her own a*S JMO [/*]

ita . . . and something i've noticed with SOME (for speedreaders - caps only!) young adults (more so than with older, wiser people:D ) is that they can lie with a straight face and put on such an actress/actor role . . . kinda sad that the moral compass is not being more instilled as a way of life . . . jmo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench
CSL's reactions to me are the key. If I just found out that my husband had killed and burned someone and buried them in my back yard I would be an emotional wreck. Lawyers would not be my first thought. I think I would first call the police (after all I am completely innocent) and then my family go come and stay with me while I waited for them. Again I am innocent, completely deceived and my whole life just was turned upside down, I am a victim....if you believe CSL is innocent this is how she would be feeling IMO She acted like a guilty person covering her own a*S JMO [/*]


If you were in her shoes and innocent you wouldn't get an attorney before talking to the police? Anyone who doesn't get an attorney is making a big mistake. A mistake I would never make. imo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by henry


i threw out the idea a few days(?) ago that there were 2 wire transfers, imo - one to them in NC and one to houston . . . jmo - no links cause i can't remember why i said that :eek: [/*]

[QUOTE]
The source said Laurean received wire money transfers from Western Union before he left Houston, but would not say from whom.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/index.html

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by henry


yup . . . and her master sergeant - how'd she wake him up :shrug: [/*]

Right.:shrug: Call him...wait for him to come get her, I guess. How far is their place from the base and they would have been hitting rush traffic about the time everyone was trying to get on base to go to work........call a lawyer (most likely at home).........get him there all by 8 am from what I recall.:shrug:

Sounds like a plan to me.

imoo

[baywench]

Originally posted by henry


ita . . . and something i've noticed with SOME (for speedreaders - caps only!) young adults (more so than with older, wiser people:D ) is that they can lie with a straight face and put on such an actress/actor role . . . kinda sad that the moral compass is not being more instilled as a way of life . . . jmo [/*]


At the risk of sounding like the old broad I am....I completely agree Henry.

[henry]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


[QUOTE]
The source said Laurean received wire money transfers from Western Union before he left Houston, but would not say from whom.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/index.html [/*]

thanks! now can you read my mind a few days ago why i thought there was one to nc also :) j/k . . . i'll go back & look for it tomorrow morning.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


[QUOTE]
The source said Laurean received wire money transfers from Western Union before he left Houston, but would not say from whom.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/index.html [/*]

I'm thinking that source is full of it. He may have received some money, but it went for his escape. jmo

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



If you were in her shoes and innocent you wouldn't get an attorney before talking to the police? Anyone who doesn't get an attorney is making a big mistake. A mistake I would never make. imo [/*]

Rationally thinking I would think of an attorney. The girl is buried in my back yard. Why not call the police and have them come to me? I would be so completely distraught I (Notice "I") would be crying, looking out the back window, probably throwing up at the horrible thought, hugging my child, calling my family to come over and take the baby, I know that I would not be rational enough to find a lawyer. I am innocent, what do I need a lawyer for? I would be in shock, in would be shocking would it not? IMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right.:shrug: Call him...wait for him to come get her, I guess. How far is their place from the base and they would have been hitting rush traffic about the time everyone was trying to get on base to go to work........call a lawyer (most likely at home).........get him there all by 8 am from what I recall.:shrug:

Sounds like a plan to me.

imoo [/*]

Not a whole lot of time to get baby off to sitter (at least I hope she did that), get dressed, call the MSgt, call parents, call a lawyer, drive to base, drive to LE. Whew, I'm tired. Maybe they're just fast people.

[henry]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Right.:shrug: Call him...wait for him to come get her, I guess. How far is their place from the base and they would have been hitting rush traffic about the time everyone was trying to get on base to go to work........call a lawyer (most likely at home).........get him there all by 8 am from what I recall.:shrug:

Sounds like a plan to me.

imoo [/*]

did anyone ever get a name/face to go with this master sergeant? guess it would have been handled by a pm?

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


Rationally thinking I would think of an attorney. The girl is buried in my back yard. Why not call the police and have them come to me? I would be so completely distraught I (Notice "I") would be crying, looking out the back window, probably throwing up at the horrible thought, hugging my child, calling my family to come over and take the baby, I know that I would not be rational enough to find a lawyer. I am innocent, what do I need a lawyer for? I would be in shock, in would be shocking would it not? IMO [/*]

He told Christina she was buried in the woods. She knew nothing of the back yard burial at that time. I guess Christina does everything so wrong. She gets a lawyer and a friend to go with her and that's wrong even though she has that right. She did it early in the morning and that's wrong. She didn't go soon enough and then she got there to soon with the lawyer. :shrug:

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench



At the risk of sounding like the old broad I am....I completely agree Henry. [/*]

hah! i gave you (generically speaking) an out with the wording . . . wise :)

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by henry


thanks! now can you read my mind a few days ago why i thought there was one to nc also :) j/k . . . i'll go back & look for it tomorrow morning. [/*]

[QUOTE]
GRACE: You know what, Jennifer? That stuck in my mind, too. And I believe we`ve learned a little more about it. Susan Candiotti, were the transfers from Western Union to the defendant?

CANDIOTTI: Well, let`s see. What we know is this. According to the search warrant, they`re seeking information on wire transfers sent to Laurean -- to Laurean, rather -- and to his wife for a period of time -- this is what they`re seeking -- from December 10 all the way to January 12. So obviously, they`re covering a lot of territory during that time, but wire transfers from Western Union to both Cesar Laurean and to his wife over the course of that time.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/17/ng.01.html

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He told Christina she was buried in the woods. She knew nothing of the back yard burial at that time. I guess Christina does everything so wrong. She gets a lawyer and a friend to go with her and that's wrong even though she has that right. She did it early in the morning and that's wrong. She didn't go soon enough and then she got there to soon with the lawyer. :shrug: [/*]

Yes Christina did everything wrong IMO

[henry]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


[QUOTE]
GRACE: You know what, Jennifer? That stuck in my mind, too. And I believe we`ve learned a little more about it. Susan Candiotti, were the transfers from Western Union to the defendant?

CANDIOTTI: Well, let`s see. What we know is this. According to the search warrant, they`re seeking information on wire transfers sent to Laurean -- to Laurean, rather -- and to his wife for a period of time -- this is what they`re seeking -- from December 10 all the way to January 12. So obviously, they`re covering a lot of territory during that time, but wire transfers from Western Union to both Cesar Laurean and to his wife over the course of that time.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/17/ng.01.html [/*]

hah! i'm jealous . . . i want to enroll in lynngweeney's school of links - i'm even willing to be an apprentice - any chance you're LG's daughter/son?


edit: gotta go - garage door just went up . . . crap!

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench


Yes Christina did everything wrong IMO [/*]

Not everything. She did turn in the notes. I'm not 100% convinced there's not more to her though.

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by henry


hah! i'm jealous . . . i want to enroll in lynngweeney's school of links - i'm even willing to be an apprentice - any chance you're LG's daughter/son?


edit: gotta go - garage door just went up . . . crap! [/*]

:lol:
Nope, just been going back to square 1 alot lately and re reading everything out there. ++++lots of bookmarks

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by baywench


Yes Christina did everything wrong IMO [/*]

LE doesn't agree with you.:o

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I really don't know but they said it was very early and for some reason obtaining a lawyer at a moment's notice seems to be rather easy for the Laureans. Lawyers seem to be glued to their hip and beckoning call.

Strange that she would think that clearly when all of this was first happening. I would be so nervous I couldn't think straight or know what I really needed to do.

Remember the wire transfer from Houston that said it was mostly for attorney fees? I now think they were for CSL attorney.......he was going over the border and wouldn't be needing one but imo he felt she would.

imoo [/*]

But she's in too much shock to call LE sooner.



:rolleyes:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


According to the link Lynn posted up thread, CS said Christina didn't know until late Thursday night. I believe Cesar told her they would go to the attorney the next morning and on to the police to turn himself in. At this point, it was told to Christina Maria had killed herself.

Of course Cesar lied and left the next morning.

jmo [/*]

and we only know what cesar said via christina. jmo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
From the Crime Scene Tour video with Greta and both Capt. Sutherland and Sheriff Brown:

http://tinyurl.com/2wmoda


@2:10 in the countdown:

Greta: “You said that they spoke to Mrs. Laurean a 2nd time. When was that?”

Capt. Sutherland: “We asked her to come down and speak to the FBI when they were brought on to spearhead the fugitive side of that”.

Greta: “How was her demeanor the 2nd time around?”

Capt. Sutherland: “She still just seemed just overwhelmed and very upset and emotional still and just kind of in shock”.

Greta: “But she (?) to say he couldn’t possibly have done this and just ran off because he’d been accused of rape? What’s her thinking about this? What did she express”?

Capt. Sutherland: “Well, she does know that the body was found in her backyard. It’s hard to dispute that”.

Greta: “Did she say that the first time when she had any wind of the fact that Maria Lauterbach was at her home was in that note that she discovered at 4 in the morning?”

Capt. Sutherland: “Well, even then she didn’t believe that she was buried here. Cesar told her that he had buried her somewhere else. But, the first time that she knew that Maria was dead, and that he had buried her, was late on the evening of Thursday night or early Friday morning before she came to our office”.

Greta: "This is where Mrs. Laurean said and Mr. Laurean said that Miss Lauterbach committed suicide, right here".

Sheriff Brown: “According to what, anytime I’ve talked with her was, she was sitting in the vehicle with one of the Detective Sargeants and prior to our coming in doing the search warrant on the house and the property, I asked her if she would come and show us where he said it took place because we would concentrate on that location for any surface blood or any
stains ... [/*]

I asked her if she would come and show us where he said it took place because we would concentrate on that location for any surface blood or any

Where in the search warrant does it say that Cesar claims that Maria killed herself in the yard? I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
I have always thought CSL statement just seems *** backward.


IMO when someone asks another "if they are with them in "THIS" then "THIS" and the plan concerning "THIS" has been thoroughly discussed beforehand and his supposed comment would be more to seal the deal on the plan that had already been discussed.

imoo [/*]
Good evening :seeya: and I agree it is backwards. I also agree that she knew what had really happened and my opinion that he was reconfirming she'd back him up with what he was going to tell the attorney. I also think the attorney mentioning the DP was from the attorney saying something like, "if the police don't believe you, etc" since I don't think CL admitted to anyone that he'd killed Maria, except of course Mrs. CL who I think was right there.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I asked her if she would come and show us where he said it took place because we would concentrate on that location for any surface blood or any

Where in the search warrant does it say that Cesar claims that Maria killed herself in the yard? I haven't seen it, but that doesn't mean it's not there. [/*]

Sheriff Brown said this:

http://tinyurl.com/33m632 <--- VIDEO @1:40

Jane Skinner: “And that letter, when she brought it to you, that is the one in which, and correct me if I’m wrong, the one in which he says that Maria Lauterbach actually killed herself?”

Sheriff Brown: “According to this, remember, this letter was left for her in handwriting supposedly by the wanted person now, Cesar Laurean, saying that this, uh, Maria Lauterbach the deceased came to his residence and there was an argument ensued in the backyard and that’s when she commits, uh, kills herself.”

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


Rationally thinking I would think of an attorney. The girl is buried in my back yard. Why not call the police and have them come to me? I would be so completely distraught I (Notice "I") would be crying, looking out the back window, probably throwing up at the horrible thought, hugging my child, calling my family to come over and take the baby, I know that I would not be rational enough to find a lawyer. I am innocent, what do I need a lawyer for? I would be in shock, in would be shocking would it not? IMO [/*]

Exactly, and WHAT IF Cesar were to return to the home while she's waiting on the "friend" to pick her up and take her downtown? WHAT IF he comes in when she's on the phone with the attorney? WHAT IF he comes back when she's on the phone with her parents?

Surely he would know that she had told everybody by then what he had done. What was to stop him from doing the same to her? What did he have to lose at that point?

Unless of course, she knows for sure he's not coming back. ;)

[marinewife5]

FWIW, i was there yesterday, and there are no "woods" adjacent to the property (just a very young tree line in the back) and to have gotten the body to any of the woods in that area, he would have had to drag the body through people's yards. unlikely, imo. and their yard is quite small, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Sheriff Brown said this:

http://tinyurl.com/33m632 <--- VIDEO @1:40

Jane Skinner: “And that letter, when she brought it to you, that is the one in which, and correct me if I’m wrong, the one in which he says that Maria Lauterbach actually killed herself?”

Sheriff Brown: “According to this, remember, this letter was left for her in handwriting supposedly by the wanted person now, Cesar Laurean, saying that this, uh, Maria Lauterbach the deceased came to his residence and there was an argument ensued in the backyard and that’s when she commits, uh, kills herself.” [/*]

But it's not in the search warrant (which we have seen), it's in the "letter" (which we have not), correct? And if it's not in the letter, remember SB said he only talked to Christina one time and that was when he asked her to show him where Cesar told her this took place.

Thanks, btw!

IMO, I'm just not buying this backyard story as anything other than a lame attempt to keep police from searching the house.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good evening :seeya: and I agree it is backwards. I also agree that she knew what had really happened and my opinion that he was reconfirming she'd back him up with what he was going to tell the attorney. I also think the attorney mentioning the DP was from the attorney saying something like, "if the police don't believe you, etc" since I don't think CL admitted to anyone that he'd killed Maria, except of course Mrs. CL who I think was right there. [/*]

Hi Sun!

I agree with you. I think Laurean stuck to the same spill but the seasoned attorney didn't fall for it and probably told him if they believed he killed this woman they were going to go for the DP.

It wouldn't surprise me either if the lawyer offered Laurean some more advice like " I think it would be wise if your wife obtained her own attorney also."

imoo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by strick10


Not everything. She did turn in the notes. I'm not 100% convinced there's not more to her though. [/*]
Turning in the notes saved herself, imo.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sunstar

Turning in the notes saved herself, imo. [/*]

Funny how that works, ain't it?

:D

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Sun!

I agree with you. I think Laurean stuck to the same spill but the seasoned attorney didn't fall for it and probably told him if they believed he killed this woman they were going to go for the DP.

It wouldn't surprise me either if the lawyer offered Laurean some more advice like " I think it would be wise if your wife obtained her own attorney also."

imoo [/*]
He probably lost it with the attorney when he said Maria slit her own throat which isn't a very likely method for a woman to kill herself. I have no doubt the attorney didn't believe CL's version anymore than LE did even before they had the autopsy report. ;)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Funny how that works, ain't it?

:D [/*]
Exactly ;)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


even the backyard is small? It looked pretty long in the pics.

do any other people drive by and stare at the house, if you know? did anybody look at you "funny" when you were taking your pics (thanks for doing that BTW)

and have you heard anybody around town saying CTina is NG yet? just wondering....tia

AB [/*]

i was the only one around that i could see. it one house in off a very busy road that leads to a large subdivision. i wasn't brave enough to peek in the windows (don't need to be arrested for trespassing) and with the missing slats, the alanders could have easily seen the firepit from their family room in the back of their house, imo. there is a trailer park directly behind the yard as well. jmo

eta: i am still looking for a csl supporter. i will not give up until i do! people around here know how local le works. jmo

[IvySterling]

~snip
Originally posted by AnnieBean
even the backyard is small? It looked pretty long in the pics.
[/*]
It looked huge to me LOL. I checked, and the lot size was listed as 0.48 acres which is 20,952 sq ft

Tax Parcel ID: 327A-36
Tax Record Number: 42982
NC PIN Number: 436901292219
Owner Name: LAUREAN CESAR A & CHRISTINA S
Property Address: 103 MEADOW TRL
Deed Book and Page: 2761183
Date Deed Recorded: 2006-10-31 00:00:00.0
Current Tax Value: 86107
Structure Value: 64417
Land Value: 20000
Other Building Value: 1690
City Code: 0
Improvement Code: D
Neighborhood Code: 3140
Property Description: MILL POND MEA 1 L2
Abstract Tax Value: 86107
Deed Stamp Amount: 113000
Plat Book and Page: 22-061
Tax Acreage Charged: 0.48
Heated Living Area Sq Ft: 1095
Township Code: 110
Year Erected: 1984
Mailing Address: 103 MEADOW TRAIL
City, State Mailing Address: JACKSONVILLE NC
Mailing Zipcode: 28546

[baywench]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


LE doesn't agree with you.:o [/*]

I'm sure they are up nights worrying about what I think.:cool:

[marinewife5]

they may not have fenced in the entire back yard. the tree line may be part of the property. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snip

It looked huge to me LOL. I checked, and the lot size was listed as 0.48 acres which is 20,952 sq ft


Heated Living Area Sq Ft: 1095

[/*]
I agree with you, the back yard did seem rather big and now with the figures you've posted I see the house itself isn't that large on that size of lot.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


I'm sure they are up nights worrying about what I think.:cool: [/*]

You know I am, LOL!

LE has no reason to pander to the masses at the moment. The mission at hand is to get the killer and any accomplices behind bars. i recall an interview with ed (i believe on NG) where he was asked if csl was thought to be involved or knew more firsthand and ed's response was to the effect of There's what I think and what I can prove. JMO, as i cannot find the link.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by sunstar

I agree with you, the back yard did seem rather big and now with the figures you've posted I see the house itself isn't that large on that size of lot. [/*]
Yes, the house is small. Our vacation doublewide Mobile Home was 1,500 sq. ft. and that wasn't counting the deck area.

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


You know I am, LOL!

LE has no reason to pander to the masses at the moment. The mission at hand is to get the killer and any accomplices behind bars. i recall an interview with ed (i believe on NG) where he was asked if csl was thought to be involved or knew more firsthand and ed's response was to the effect of There's what I think and what I can prove. JMO, as i cannot find the link. [/*]

Exactly. They know probably all of the facts, or at least have pieced together most of it. I bet when it all comes to light and POS is found dead or captured I will find out the LE and I agreed after all. CSL should get an academy award IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by baywench


Exactly. They know probably all of the facts, or at least have pieced together most of it. I bet when it all comes to light and POS is found dead or captured I will find out the LE and I agreed after all. CSL should get an academy award IMO [/*]
I'm thinking her Academy Award performance will be at the trial :D

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by baywench


Exactly. They know probably all of the facts, or at least have pieced together most of it. I bet when it all comes to light and POS is found dead or captured I will find out the LE and I agreed after all. CSL should get an academy award IMO [/*]

if she claimed to know or suspect even SOMETHING as opposed to NOTHING, i would find her more credible. and i spent 15 minutes there and was ready to throw up when I saw the pit. how on earth she spent the night there is beyond me. it is still creeping me out. (and she would have been well aware there were no woods adjacent to her property) jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'm thinking her Academy Award performance will be at the trial :D [/*]

I need more info on marital priviledge....(hint hint bkwts, daniel). I thought that CL can claim that and she can't betray his confidence. I may be wrong.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yes, the house is small. Our vacation doublewide Mobile Home was 1,500 sq. ft. and that wasn't counting the deck area. [/*]
And doesn't it only have a single car garage? That's what it looked like from the front, and there didn't look like they put a car in there with all the stuff. I'm still curious why Maria was in there unless he had the door up when she came over.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by baywench


Exactly. They know probably all of the facts, or at least have pieced together most of it. I bet when it all comes to light and POS is found dead or captured I will find out the LE and I agreed after all. CSL should get an academy award IMO [/*]
It's almost 3 months since he took off, so I'm really beginning to wonder if he is dead ~ or if Mexican LE just isn't looking for him. He'd have to be getting help from family or someone to be on the run this long.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5



Psst, tell them about the pink room.... :lol:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo



Psst, tell them about the pink room.... :lol: [/*]

I was checking out the foreclosure next door (wanda's old place) and saw the living room walls were pink...went nice with the jammie bottoms LOL

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by sunstar

And doesn't it only have a single car garage? That's what it looked like from the front, and there didn't look like they put a car in there with all the stuff. I'm still curious why Maria was in there unless he had the door up when she came over. [/*]

Yes a one car garage...it measures 12' X 27'.

Hiya sunstar! Good to see you.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I was checking out the foreclosure next door (wanda's old place) and saw the living room walls were pink...went nice with the jammie bottoms LOL [/*]
OMG! :chicken:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes a one car garage...it measures 12' X 27'.

Hiya sunstar! Good to see you. [/*]
Hi nuttin :seeya: and thanks for the information! I hadn't realized the house itself was just over 1000 sq. ft. It looked a little larger than that from the outside.

Go Tar Heels! :D

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by caejde


And how would she know what lawyer to contact? Because her lawyer isn't any of the ones Cesar was seeing. If I remember right, they didn't show up to the sheriff's department until around 0900. So that would give her plenty of time to get an attorney up to speed I guess. Also, she went through NCIS before going to the sheriff's. [/*]

I'm telling you Caejde, I think she is quite the little planner and she certainly made sure she is in the clear until such time as Cesar is located and can confirm and deny any of this.

JMO.:cool:

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I was checking out the foreclosure next door (wanda's old place) and saw the living room walls were pink...went nice with the jammie bottoms LOL [/*]

Wanda's sense of style has not been seen since Mimi on the Drew Carey show. Ahead of their time:D

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Sun!

I agree with you. I think Laurean stuck to the same spill but the seasoned attorney didn't fall for it and probably told him if they believed he killed this woman they were going to go for the DP.

It wouldn't surprise me either if the lawyer offered Laurean some more advice like " I think it would be wise if your wife obtained her own attorney also."

imoo [/*]

ITA GB. That would sound like a very reasonable and possible scenario from my POV.

JMO.:o

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

It's almost 3 months since he took off, so I'm really beginning to wonder if he is dead ~ or if Mexican LE just isn't looking for him. He'd have to be getting help from family or someone to be on the run this long. [/*]

If he is alive and who really knows, then I think most likely he is hiding in plain sight. I do think that his family in Mexico have money and may have contacts there which could include corrupt cops. I think he has changed his appearance by now and is openly working everyday in a job where the Mexican Feds doesn't come around.

He could even blend in anywhere in the USA or Canada. His looks are very generic imo.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


Rationally thinking I would think of an attorney. The girl is buried in my back yard. Why not call the police and have them come to me? I would be so completely distraught I (Notice "I") would be crying, looking out the back window, probably throwing up at the horrible thought, hugging my child, calling my family to come over and take the baby, I know that I would not be rational enough to find a lawyer. I am innocent, what do I need a lawyer for? I would be in shock, in would be shocking would it not? IMO [/*]

Yo BAYBAY, you been missed.

I have to agree with you. Who would think of an attorney right off the bat?

Now, IF I had two or three weeks to think about how I was going to pull this off, YES, I sure would have plans that included obtaining a lawyer and calling upon my old SNCO. JMOOC.:o

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I'm telling you Caejde, I think she is quite the little planner and she certainly made sure she is in the clear until such time as Cesar is located and can confirm and deny any of this.

JMO.:cool: [/*]

Yep! Which might be hard if you are in the daisy pushing-up business!

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yo BAYBAY, you been missed.

I have to agree with you. Who would think of an attorney right off the bat?

Now, IF I had two or three weeks to think about how I was going to pull this off, YES, I sure would have plans that included obtaining a lawyer and calling upon my old SNCO. JMOOC.:o [/*]

Yo CK...my sista. I was off for two days...I swear I go thru withdrawal. If I were innocent I would be calling the cops and saying "Look what my husband did". It wouldn't occur to me that they would think I was involved. IF I were innocent. If she is she is one cool cucumber. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


If he is alive and who really knows, then I think most likely he is hiding in plain sight. I do think that his family in Mexico have money and may have contacts there which could include corrupt cops. I think he has changed his appearance by now and is openly working everyday in a job where the Mexican Feds doesn't come around.

He could even blend in anywhere in the USA or Canada. His looks are very generic imo.

imoo [/*]

I agree his looks are very generic.. and also he looks quite different in different pics (as many people do). The town I work in is 50% Hispanic, the majority of whom are Mexican. I seriously see him every 3rd young male Hispanic I see walking on the street. And I certainly don't think "all Mexicans look alike" or anything like that. There are certainly quite a few (like 2/3) that are definitely not him. But the rest I am just not sure about.

(and I am not calling LE every 15 minutes to report a "sighting"!)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I'm telling you Caejde, I think she is quite the little planner and she certainly made sure she is in the clear until such time as Cesar is located and can confirm and deny any of this.

JMO.:cool: [/*]

Well you know how I feel and have always felt.

When only ONE side is left to tell the truth...........the truth will never be told or learned.

IMO Christina is banking on that.

imoo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I need more info on marital priviledge....(hint hint bkwts, daniel). I thought that CL can claim that and she can't betray his confidence. I may be wrong. [/*]

I was attempting to search this earlier. Found a link, but not a member to read the rest of it.
N.C. Gen. Stat. § 8- 57 (*) (2005) (State cannot compel witness to testify against spouse "in any criminal action or grand jury ...

Seems IIRC Dewey Hudson addressed this also in a news conference. No link sorry.

edited to add: Did read on some of the NC rulings that if a conversation per say was be overheard by a third party it was ok to testify.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

Turning in the notes saved herself, imo. [/*]

What a thoughtful guy, huh? Well maybe not, maybe she cooked up the note scheme and conveniently she benefits too.

I can see her dictating while he is sitting at the desk happily writing his little fingers off, knowing he will be leaving and she can wrap it up. After all, he cleared her as far as they are concerned.

JMO.

[baywench]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


ITA GB. That would sound like a very reasonable and possible scenario from my POV.

JMO.:o [/*]

Very strange that. Wouldn't it be to the lawyer's advantage (at least money-wise) to say "We can get you out of this"? Strange wording like everything thing else CSL and many of them say. Never sounds like real people talking to me. JMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


If he is alive and who really knows, then I think most likely he is hiding in plain sight. I do think that his family in Mexico have money and may have contacts there which could include corrupt cops. I think he has changed his appearance by now and is openly working everyday in a job where the Mexican Feds doesn't come around.

He could even blend in anywhere in the USA or Canada. His looks are very generic imo.

imoo [/*]
Assuming he's still alive, I agree he's probably in Mexico "hiding in plain sight" using one of his many aliases (ok, family names :) ), no longer looks like a Marine and the Mexican police aren't that interested in looking for him.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


I was attempting to search this earlier. Found a link, but not a member to read the rest of it.
N.C. Gen. Stat. § 8- 57 (*) (2005) (State cannot compel witness to testify against spouse "in any criminal action or grand jury ...

Seems IIRC Dewey Hudson addressed this also in a news conference. No link sorry. [/*]

ty. I wonder if the defense will argue that cl had an expectation of confidentiality?

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree his looks are very generic.. and also he looks quite different in different pics (as many people do). The town I work in is 50% Hispanic, the majority of whom are Mexican. I seriously see him every 3rd young male Hispanic I see walking on the street. And I certainly don't think "all Mexicans look alike" or anything like that. There are certainly quite a few (like 2/3) that are definitely not him. But the rest I am just not sure about.

(and I am not calling LE every 15 minutes to report a "sighting"!) [/*]

He is generic looking. I dunno, I never thought he went to Mexico. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


Yep! Which might be hard if you are in the daisy pushing-up business! [/*]

Yes, that could be another benefit to Christina if he were no longer amongst the living. JMO tho.:shrug:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


What a thoughtful guy, huh? Well maybe not, maybe she cooked up the note scheme and conveniently she benefits too.

I can see her dictating while he is sitting at the desk happily writing his little fingers off, knowing he will be leaving and she can wrap it up. After all, he cleared her as far as they are concerned.

JMO. [/*]
That is exactly what I think happened the last night they were together. They probably stayed up all night planning what he'd write that would clear him of murder (Maria committing suicide) and him admitting to burying/burning her in the back yard which made it look like Mrs. CL didn't take part in anything. I think she probably told him just what to write so she wouldn't be arrested and she could keep their daughter, like "you got yourself into this mess, now clear it up and get out of town".

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I was checking out the foreclosure next door (wanda's old place) and saw the living room walls were pink...went nice with the jammie bottoms LOL [/*]

Hot Pink?:eek: :chicken:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hot Pink?:eek: :chicken: [/*]

i would say more of a delicate pink

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well you know how I feel and have always felt.

When only ONE side is left to tell the truth...........the truth will never be told or learned.

IMO Christina is banking on that.

imoo [/*]
That is so true of most of the cases we follow. :(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


Yo CK...my sista. I was off for two days...I swear I go thru withdrawal. If I were innocent I would be calling the cops and saying "Look what my husband did". It wouldn't occur to me that they would think I was involved. IF I were innocent. If she is she is one cool cucumber. IMO [/*]

I think I would have been so terrified at the thought, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY I would have been alone with him again period.

JMO.

However, if I had a few weeks to get used to it and had helped cover it up, I would know I was in as deep as him.

JMO again. :(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sunstar

That is exactly what I think happened the last night they were together. They probably stayed up all night planning what he'd write that would clear him of murder (Maria committing suicide) and him admitting to burying/burning her in the back yard which made it look like Mrs. CL didn't take part in anything. I think she probably told him just what to write so she wouldn't be arrested and she could keep their daughter, like "you got yourself into this mess, now clear it up and get out of town". [/*]

:cool: My sentiments too. I honestly believe it was a trade off.

JMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


He is generic looking. I dunno, I never thought he went to Mexico. JMO [/*]

He is actually fairly tall compared to some Mexicans, IMO. That is the first thing I look for - then I look for the nose (which is hard to see driving down the road, although usually at lunchtime, it is stop and go traffic). The hair could be anything - could be a beard, mustache. I can't decide on hair length - he has been wedded to really short hair for a while now being in the MC, I am sure.. so he may feel uncomfotable letting it grow.

(I am watching the Rutgers - UConn women's BB game, so back and forth here)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by baywench


He is generic looking. I dunno, I never thought he went to Mexico. JMO [/*]

I agree CAL is very generic looking too. You know he may have gone to Mexico , IMO, to make it look as though that's where he is (that trail of breadcrumbs), but I think he came back across and he's somewhere in the US.

IMO he's hiding in plain sight blending in with other Hispanic workers.

Whether or not he loves CSL, I feel sure he loves his daughter and that may be his downfall...wanting to see her.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

That is exactly what I think happened the last night they were together. They probably stayed up all night planning what he'd write that would clear him of murder (Maria committing suicide) and him admitting to burying/burning her in the back yard which made it look like Mrs. CL didn't take part in anything. I think she probably told him just what to write so she wouldn't be arrested and she could keep their daughter, like "you got yourself into this mess, now clear it up and get out of town". [/*]

I have even wondered if that is why he listed the 15th. If he knew she only stayed for a couple of hours at the party it wouldn't take her out of the time line when this actually happened but maybe on the 15th she went Christmas shopping all day and looking for a new comforter to give her a more solid alibi.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I agree CAL is very generic looking too. You know he may have gone to Mexico , IMO, to make it look as though that's where he is (that trail of breadcrumbs), but I think he came back across and he's somewhere in the US.

IMO he's hiding in plain sight blending in with other Hispanic workers.

Whether or not he loves CSL, I feel sure he loves his daughter and that may be his downfall...wanting to see her.

JMO [/*]

ITA, and I'll bet he's missing his mama too!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree his looks are very generic.. and also he looks quite different in different pics (as many people do). The town I work in is 50% Hispanic, the majority of whom are Mexican. I seriously see him every 3rd young male Hispanic I see walking on the street. And I certainly don't think "all Mexicans look alike" or anything like that. There are certainly quite a few (like 2/3) that are definitely not him. But the rest I am just not sure about.

(and I am not calling LE every 15 minutes to report a "sighting"!) [/*]
That's exactly why I do believe he's in Mexico ~ to easily blend in, he was born there and speaks the language, and the slim chance of being extradited back to the U.S. If he was still here in the U.S. he could face the DP if captured here.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i would say more of a delicate pink [/*]

Which is to compliment these: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/MenardWanda.jpg

:D :biggrin:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


ITA, and I'll bet he's missing his mama too! [/*]

He could be a mama's boy...or did someone else say that? ;)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Which is to compliment these: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/MenardWanda.jpg

:D :biggrin: [/*]

LOL...that house is looking a little rougher nowadays. I think nuttin should buy it so we can use it as homebase.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


He could be a mama's boy...or did someone else say that? ;) [/*]

i'd bet a plate of ravioli he is! He has a "spoiled" air about him. just my opinion.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have even wondered if that is why he listed the 15th. If he knew she only stayed for a couple of hours at the party it wouldn't take her out of the time line when this actually happened but maybe on the 15th she went Christmas shopping all day and looking for a new comforter to give her a more solid alibi.

imoo [/*]

I have thought about that too GB. You would think they could remember the date, right?

Good night peeps, hoping you stay above water GB. Get some sleep and take care of yourself.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I agree CAL is very generic looking too. You know he may have gone to Mexico , IMO, to make it look as though that's where he is (that trail of breadcrumbs), but I think he came back across and he's somewhere in the US.

IMO he's hiding in plain sight blending in with other Hispanic workers.

Whether or not he loves CSL, I feel sure he loves his daughter and that may be his downfall...wanting to see her.

JMO [/*]

Their daughter just breaks my heart. I am sure she goes through the rooms looking for her daddy. Poor little baby and such a defenseless little victim.

imoo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have even wondered if that is why he listed the 15th. If he knew she only stayed for a couple of hours at the party it wouldn't take her out of the time line when this actually happened but maybe on the 15th she went Christmas shopping all day and looking for a new comforter to give her a more solid alibi.

imoo [/*]

IMO I think they associated it to payday, the 15th. My son does no matter what it is, he associates to his paydays 15th or 30/31. We even laugh about it, ie his way of association. JMO mine can't remember real dates so easier for him to say his payday date.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I have thought about that too GB. You would think they could remember the date, right?

Good night peeps, hoping you stay above water GB. Get some sleep and take care of yourself.

JMO [/*]:seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:cool: My sentiments too. I honestly believe it was a trade off.

JMO. [/*]
I can just see her telling him what to write, and having a confrontation with him at the end, since after all, "this wouldn't have happened if you (CL) hadn't gotten involved with her (Maria)." No way do I see Mrs. CL passively accepting Maria in his life or about to give birth to his child.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sunstar

I can just see her telling him what to write, and having a confrontation with him at the end, since after all, "this wouldn't have happened if you (CL) hadn't gotten involved with her (Maria)." No way do I see Mrs. CL passively accepting Maria in his life or about to give birth to his child. [/*]

and about to take a chunk of his paycheck for child support. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have even wondered if that is why he listed the 15th. If he knew she only stayed for a couple of hours at the party it wouldn't take her out of the time line when this actually happened but maybe on the 15th she went Christmas shopping all day and looking for a new comforter to give her a more solid alibi.

imoo [/*]
I think by the time he wrote the note he didn't remember what date it was and I agree with other posters who think he associated it with payday. I'm still thinking of Maria having that bus ticket for the 15th and already having left Durham's house, so I don't think she was alive throughout the night of the 14th/15th.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and about to take a chunk of his paycheck for child support. jmo [/*]
Yes, thanks for that very important reminder! Motive!! :)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I have thought about that too GB. You would think they could remember the date, right?

Good night peeps, hoping you stay above water GB. Get some sleep and take care of yourself.

JMO [/*]

Thanks Candy....dont forget to take care of yourself too. I hope you are continuing to improve daily.

I am turning in soon myself tonight. Dragggging today with a terrible achy feeling and a headache from h*ll.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sunstar

Yes, thanks for that very important reminder! Motive!! :) [/*]

yw...to me it's the strongest motive. jmo

[IvySterling]

quote:
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Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I have thought about that too GB. You would think they could remember the date, right?

Good night peeps, hoping you stay above water GB. Get some sleep and take care of yourself.

JMO [/*]
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Nite CK, take care!

[gaelicpeas]

I've always thought the 15th error was important. I think CL knew the bus ticket was bought for the 15th, and so he went with that date. But that timeline didn't fit CSL's schedule, so she went with the 14th in her conversations with LE.

Just a theory.. :D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


yw...to me it's the strongest motive. jmo [/*]

ITA! Perhaps that caused the confrontation between the two on 12/14 or 12/15, whichever day the murder occurred.

jmo

And me buy the Alander's former residence??? Too much work needs to be done to that place for the money the bank may want... ;)

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I've always thought the 15th error was important. I think CL knew the bus ticket was bought for the 15th, and so he went with that date. But that timeline didn't fit CSL's schedule, so she went with the 14th in her conversations with LE.

Just a theory.. :D [/*]

Just a good theory GP!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I've always thought the 15th error was important. I think CL knew the bus ticket was bought for the 15th, and so he went with that date. But that timeline didn't fit CSL's schedule, so she went with the 14th in her conversations with LE.

Just a theory.. :D [/*]

a very good theory, imo. i would love to see dueling laureans before this is over. methinks their stories won't quite match up. both lying with the truth somewhere in the middle, imo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA! Perhaps that caused the confrontation between the two on 12/14 or 12/15, whichever day the murder occurred.

jmo

And me buy the Alander's former residence??? Too much work needs to be done to that place for the money the bank may want... ;) [/*]

i can see maria (justifiably) asking for support funds in lieu of regular monthly payments. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


a very good theory, imo. i would love to see dueling laureans before this is over. methinks their stories won't quite match up. both lying with the truth somewhere in the middle, imo [/*]

I just hope we get to see that...

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks Candy....dont forget to take care of yourself too. I hope you are continuing to improve daily.

I am turning in soon myself tonight. Dragggging today with a terrible achy feeling and a headache from h*ll.

imoo [/*]

Ocean, you take care of yourself too. The flu doesn't make one a happy camper. Just ask bkwits and myself.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


yw...to me it's the strongest motive. jmo [/*]
This is where I get confused between thinking the murder was premeditated and something that happened as a result of an argument, or whatever that night when Maria went back to his house. Even if he'd gotten her out of town on that bus, he'd still be responsible for the baby ~ unless ~ it was for her to give the baby up for adoption and then she came back and told him she couldn't go through with it.

[baywench]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA! Perhaps that caused the confrontation between the two on 12/14 or 12/15, whichever day the murder occurred.

jmo

And me buy the Alander's former residence??? Too much work needs to be done to that place for the money the bank may want... ;) [/*]

But But we could all go in together. Some of the handier men could fix it up (not my husband, I don't let him have tools but he can do infinite beer runs with zeal) we could have a surveillance schedule. We could go over every inch of the scene at night (I'm sure MW5 and Cajde could get us some night vision stuff). Come on, we really need a base camp!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I just hope we get to see that... [/*]

me too. :(

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i can see maria (justifiably) asking for support funds in lieu of regular monthly payments. jmo [/*]

I can too.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

I think by the time he wrote the note he didn't remember what date it was and I agree with other posters who think he associated it with payday. I'm still thinking of Maria having that bus ticket for the 15th and already having left Durham's house, so I don't think she was alive throughout the night of the 14th/15th. [/*]

Don't you think it would stick in your mind the date you killed somebody? I just find that so hard to believe. This isn't the first time they were paid early due to it landing on Saturday.

I think she wrote the DD note, packed her possessions and left then went and drew all the money she had available out of the ATM machine then went to CLs home and around 5 pm which is just a guesstimate from the ticket agent she bought the ticket. I think he went back home and she returned a little later telling him her plans had fallen through.

I have no idea when she died..............I don't think we will ever know that answer. It will be left hanging. The TOD is not going to be firm due to the condition of the body. So I know I will always wonder if he was telling the truth and it happened sometime in the middle of the night or early morning of the 15th.

I just cant see him completely forgetting the date and he had no reason to change the date to try and change his story of the suicide and he buried her, story. That is the thing that is so maddening about this case we really just don't know.

imoo

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I can too.

jmo [/*]

Me too.

Nite all eyes are tired of reading and searching.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


a very good theory, imo. i would love to see dueling laureans before this is over. methinks their stories won't quite match up. both lying with the truth somewhere in the middle, imo [/*]
I'd love to see that too. :)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sunstar

This is where I get confused between thinking the murder was premeditated and something that happened as a result of an argument, or whatever that night when Maria went back to his house. Even if he'd gotten her out of town on that bus, he'd still be responsible for the baby ~ unless ~ it was for her to give the baby up for adoption and then she came back and told him she couldn't go through with it. [/*]

I agree, Sunstar... I know most people think this was a moment-of-rage killing, but I think it was planned.

JMO though...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Me too.

Nite all eyes are tired of reading and searching. [/*]:seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Don't you think it would stick in your mind the date you killed somebody? I just find that so hard to believe. This isn't the first time they were paid early due to it landing on Saturday.

I think she wrote the DD note, packed her possessions and left then went and drew all the money she had available out of the ATM machine then went to CLs home and around 5 pm which is just a guesstimate from the ticket agent she bought the ticket. I think he went back home and she returned a little later telling him her plans had fallen through.

I have no idea when she died..............I don't think we will ever know that answer. It will be left hanging. The TOD is not going to be firm due to the condition of the body. So I know I will always wonder if he was telling the truth and it happened sometime in the middle of the night or early morning of the 15th.

I just cant see him completely forgetting the date and he had no reason to change the date to try and change his story of the suicide and he buried her, story. That is the thing that is so maddening about this case we really just don't know.

imoo [/*]
I am one who remembers dates so, yes, I wouldn't have gotten that confused! But, imo, CL isn't the brightest bulb either ~ so, I could see him getting confused, especially since the bus ticket was for the 15th. I just don't know where she would've spent the night if she'd come back to his house on the 15th or why she would've returned in the middle of the night knowing Mrs. CL would be there. I do wish we knew what alibi Mrs. CL had for the 15th though.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA! Perhaps that caused the confrontation between the two on 12/14 or 12/15, whichever day the murder occurred.
jmo
And me buy the Alander's former residence??? Too much work needs to be done to that place for the money the bank may want... ;) [/*]
I wonder if the layout inside the former Alander residence is the same as the Laurean house?

It looks the same from the front, the garage walk/entry door however is on the side.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Ocean, you take care of yourself too. The flu doesn't make one a happy camper. Just ask bkwits and myself. [/*]

Thanks. I think my hubby feels the worst and that man wouldn't be caught dead missing work.

Maybe when I get better I can go up there and run surveillance from Wanda's old house and when it gets dark if my hubby will go with me he can lift me up so I can get in the open garage window so we can find out where that darn washer and dryer was located.:tongue: Ya ll got to promise to watch our backs though. I would love to meet SB and CS but not THAT way, ya know! lol

imo

[IvySterling]

~snip
Originally posted by sunstar
I do wish we knew what alibi Mrs. CL had for the 15th though. [/*]
Well she must have told her parents she was working on the 15th according to her step-dad, maybe she had a part time job at Lowe's ;)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I wonder if the layout inside the former Alander residence is the same as the Laurean house?

It looks the same from the front, the garage walk/entry door however is on the side. [/*]

They could be but IIRC, the Alander's former residence is larger, I will have to go check. And the Laurean's house was originally built back in like 1984.

MW, you may need to check to see about the layout on 101.

JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


They could be but IIRC, the Alander's former residence is larger, I will have to go check. And the Laurean's house was originally built back in like 1984.

MW, you may need to check to see about the layout on 101.

JMO [/*]

imo, they aren't the same layout.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree, Sunstar... I know most people think this was a moment-of-rage killing, but I think it was planned.

JMO though... [/*]
I think it's something they both probably entertained in their minds, then the opportunity presented itself when Maria was there in the garage.

I guess I better say goodnight, since tomorrow's almost here! :seeya:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sunstar

I think it's something they both probably entertained in their minds, then the opportunity presented itself when Maria was there in the garage.

I guess I better say goodnight, since tomorrow's almost here! :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I wonder if the layout inside the former Alander residence is the same as the Laurean house?

It looks the same from the front, the garage walk/entry door however is on the side. [/*]

OOps, just noticed the firesplace stackd are located differently on the two houses

[sunstar]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snip

Well she must have told her parents she was working on the 15th according to her step-dad, maybe she had a part time job at Lowe's ;) [/*]
:D (I think he went shopping there on the 16th)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling


OOps, just noticed the firesplace stackd are located differently on the two houses [/*]

and i did notice that the laurean's had a wood burning fireplace. i remembered that being discussed a time ago.

[IvySterling]

quote:
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Originally posted by nuttintodo


They could be but IIRC, the Alander's former residence is larger, I will have to go check. And the Laurean's house was originally built back in like 1984.

MW, you may need to check to see about the layout on 101.

JMO [/*]
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QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5
imo, they aren't the same layout. [/*][/QUOTE]

Thanks to the both of you!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling
quote:
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Originally posted by nuttintodo


They could be but IIRC, the Alander's former residence is larger, I will have to go check. And the Laurean's house was originally built back in like 1984.

MW, you may need to check to see about the layout on 101.

JMO [/*]
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QUOTE]Originally posted by marinewife5
imo, they aren't the same layout. [/*]

Thanks to the both of you! [/*][/QUOTE]

yw...beddie bye time for me now...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

I am one who remembers dates so, yes, I wouldn't have gotten that confused! But, imo, CL isn't the brightest bulb either ~ so, I could see him getting confused, especially since the bus ticket was for the 15th. I just don't know where she would've spent the night if she'd come back to his house on the 15th or why she would've returned in the middle of the night knowing Mrs. CL would be there. I do wish we knew what alibi Mrs. CL had for the 15th though. [/*]

I just don't know. I have so many different feelings about this case from day to day. I think we may be surprised to find Laurean is not a dumb guy at all. If I remember correctly one had to keep a very good grade average to remain in the ROTC program. I don't want to underestimate him or his intelligence. We are sitting here day after day waiting for them to find him and so far he has outfoxed them all.

The cover up and aftermath shows panic imo not stupidity. That is one of the many things that makes me think this was not planned at all but happened because of a spontaneous irrational eruption. It was like bumping a lid to a hot pressure cooker.........it was just going to explode. What triggered this we may never know.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Thanks to the both of you! [/*]

yw...beddie bye time for me now...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE]
Nitie Nite mw!

I out of here also................Nite all:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Thanks to the both of you! [/*]

yw...beddie bye time for me now...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE]

:seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling


yw...beddie bye time for me now...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya: [/*]
Nitie Nite mw!

I out of here also................Nite all:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE]

:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I wonder if the layout inside the former Alander residence is the same as the Laurean house?

It looks the same from the front, the garage walk/entry door however is on the side. [/*]

Looks the same to me too, Ivy.. all of the houses in that neighborhood look like the same floor plan, IMO - with minor differences, non-structural, though.

[nuttintodo]

Night John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob... :seeya:

GPeas, are you turning out the light?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I just don't know. I have so many different feelings about this case from day to day. I think we may be surprised to find Laurean is not a dumb guy at all. If I remember correctly one had to keep a very good grade average to remain in the ROTC program. I don't want to underestimate him or his intelligence. We are sitting here day after day waiting for them to find him and so far he has outfoxed them all.

The cover up and aftermath shows panic imo not stupidity. That is one of the many things that makes me think this was not planned at all but happened because of a spontaneous irrational eruption. It was like bumping a lid to a hot pressure cooker.........it was just going to explode. What triggered this we may never know.

imoo [/*]

I agree, Gentle.. I mean, he managed to conceal her death for nearly a month, then escaped into thin air. I don't think he is stupid by any means, IMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Night John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob... :seeya:

GPeas, are you turning out the light? [/*]

lol, I guess so. I used to have Calla keep me company late at night. Also, Nelkirk often pops in late.

(speaking of Calla, has anyone heard from her? I hope she is doing okay)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling


yw...beddie bye time for me now...see y'all tomorrow!:seeya: [/*]
Nitie Nite mw!

I out of here also................Nite all:seeya: [/*][/QUOTE]

Wait.. aren't you on the west coast??? It is only 8:30 there!

:D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Nitie Nite mw!

I out of here also................Nite all:seeya: [/*]

Wait.. aren't you on the west coast??? It is only 8:30 there!

:D [/*][/QUOTE]

hmm.. that quote really got messed up.. lol...

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Wait.. aren't you on the west coast??? It is only 8:30 there!

:D [/*]

hmm.. that quote really got messed up.. lol... [/*][/QUOTE]

Nite GP and all. TIme for me to go home and get a cocktail!

[chance]

As always I get here when everybody leaves.

GB. Somebody was smart enough to keep everybody thinking Maria left on her own, for almost a month! He, she or they fooled everybody.
moo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


hmm.. that quote really got messed up.. lol... [/*]

Nite GP and all. TIme for me to go home and get a cocktail! [/*][/QUOTE]

g'night, bay.. have one for me!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by chance
As always I get here when everybody leaves.

GB. Somebody was smart enough to keep everybody thinking Maria left on her own, for almost a month! He, she or they fooled everybody.
moo [/*]

Hi Chance.. I am still here for a little bit anyway...

Yes.. his/her/their plan has worked so far, it seems.. :(

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Nite GP and all. TIme for me to go home and get a cocktail! [/*]

g'night, bay.. have one for me! [/*][/QUOTE]

geez, another messed up quote.. what is going on here today.. it seems to have been happening all day...

Oh well.. maybe it has something to with these new ads on the right side (which I can't stand, btw).

[chance]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Hi Chance.. I am still here for a little bit anyway...

Yes.. his/her/their plan has worked so far, it seems.. :( [/*]


No kidding not to many murders afford you almost a month to get away with it.

I just pray that they(LE) have the truth no matter who is involved or not involved.

moo

[chance]

I feel like my nic should be thread killer.

moo
nite all.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by chance
I feel like my nic should be thread killer.

moo
nite all. [/*]

lol, Chance.. nah.. it is just the time of night.. people go to bed.. a few of us hang around for a little bit, then we nod out..

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk
o/t we had a family emergency today and I couldn't get back in the discussion...I plan on going back and answering all of the posts ASAP. [/*]

hope everything is okay now on the home front, Nelkirk..

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


TY Lots of legal stuff to handle, but I think it is going to be okay. Sorry I started a discussion and then was nt there to keep it going... [/*]

lol, not to worry.. people ran with it...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


At 0630 it was still dark in NC so unless CSL and the "Marine Outfit" and the vehicle were directly under a streetlight how could she make any type of identification? [/*]

well.. if this Msgt had a black truck, then I agree it could be problematic..

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


But on the date of this affidavit no one knew had that information...the MC Presser wasn't until January 15th.

We don't know that he did indeed find any other attorneys but the one on January 10th according to the affidavit with CSLs timeline...also the affidavit is an official document and is evidence of probable cause for a SW. So CSL's timeline statement becomes evidence. [/*]

We don't know what information LE or the MC had prior to the MC PC.. we only know what was made public.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk

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why thank you ms. anniebean - trying to get on my good side for calling me your mom :no: . . . and, if she was working, xtina would also have to get the time off from work . . . wonder if the records show that? [/*]

Good question IIRC CSL was augmented to active duty on January 8, 2008. [/*][/QUOTE]

good point about CSL and calling off work.. I had thought about that myself. It is not really clear to me where she was working.. some admin job as a reserve from what I recall...

[gaelicpeas]

btw.. something weird is happening when you quote somebody.. it includes the previous poster's post and just messes it all up.. not sure what is going on..

[henry]

Originally posted by nelkirk


I could explain that but I am sure that many would consider my explaination to be too graphic...

Suffice it to say that if the covering is between 8 inches and a foot of dirt covering you don't smell anything because the odor does not escape into the air...

Having been raised in Hawaii the word KALUA comes to mind... [/*]

i did get to the library yesterday . . . there's a wanda quote in the article . . . "i asked my husband, 'what's that smell?" says wanda. "It smelled like something dead." . . . describing the xmas eve blaze & the "strange aroma" - people magazine's words.

edit: my manners - good morning :seeya: nelkirk - going to start the a.m. thread - may take me a few minutes!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Yes she does. She needs to have one to protect her rights... [/*]

No, she does not need a defense if she is not charged with a crime. It is up to her to get an attorney to protect her rights. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by chance
As always I get here when everybody leaves.

GB. Somebody was smart enough to keep everybody thinking Maria left on her own, for almost a month! He, she or they fooled everybody.
moo [/*]

I am sorry I missed your post last night.

That is absolutely true..........had to be pretty darn shrewd, if you ask me, when everyone was looking for her.

imoo:seeya:

[txfemale45]

I want to know why his wife is not sitting in a jail cell.... I think she is just giving them enough information just to try to make her look better.... I would not be surprised if she is not the one that attacked Maria.... and she should go to jail for painting and helping clean up the crime scene