Monday 3-31-08 Lauterbach Daily Discussion

[Babes]

Good Morning TO EVERYONE :seeya:

Who do you think are the "People" who could possibly helped Cesar escaped successfully? Who should you blame on his great escape to Mexico?

IMO i dont think he's alone on this - Yes he was a marine and maybe trained to escape the war but this young guy's real life marine's experience is nothing but an office job so i am not buying any ideas that he's soooooo good and was able to escape without traces.

[henry]

gmorning babes (and everyone else that comes) . . . haven't seen you in a while - seen your name over on the links thread a lot. i think cesar's parents were told a cock & bull story by cesar & xtina, parents sent oodles of money to help their poor, honest, innocent son & had a network of relatives all set up and ready . . . just waiting for the word from them. i think the folks that helped him in NC were also family - and maybe a friend or two (but that's lower on the possibility ladder to me) - only family would stick with him - as evidenced by xtina, who i also think helped & planned the escape & coverup of maria's murder . . . again, jmo.

i was wondering . . . like on tv, whether the cops have played good cop/bad cop and told cesar's parents that they now realize that it was xtina that did everything & to get word to him that all is okay - just come home & your name will be cleared. just thinking about the "police" scam my nephew was involved in - boy, did the mexican "cops" sound serious and believable!

edited to add nouns/verbs :)

[henry]

oops . . . forgot my manners & forgot to add . . . thank you very much to all the provided links yesterday regarding statements made and morphed into something else . . . now i've just got 2 conclusions to find corresponding statements to . . . without the qualifying words - perhaps, possibly, maybe, etc.

. . . uncle peter said maria was diagnosed with bipolar
. . . maria's biological father was bipolar

*** this one was verified in an uncle peter video: mary had a scheduled trip to see maria before xmas and would be going to the olive garden

edit: it was so sad to hear uncle peter talk about what maria's biological mom did to her & annie - thank you to maria's real (not bio) mom & dad for what you did.:patriot:

[SavannahStar]

I think Cesar got out of town on his own. I believe he is getting help in Mexico to stay underground, but I think it's probably friends of friends or friends of relatives, just people he's run into.

NO help from Christina or his family. IMO they are innocents in all this. We know almost nothing whatsoever especially about his parents, I think it's a leap to say they are helping him stay lost.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Alot of people think (recently) that the $5k from Cesars parents didn't actually go for attourneys fees, as reported, but went for a variety of other things up to and including a bribe from xtina to ML to get out of town...I think LE would have proof at this point, if there was any, that the $5k was partly used to pay attys fees, like a receipt FGS? We will find out at trial, I guess??? :shrug: [/*]

okay . . . it sounds to me like there MIGHT (caps used for speed reading clarity only) have been 2 wire transfers - one to NC and one to houston . . . what do you think? . . . oh, jmo!

[caejde]

Morning everyone. I think that by Christina not contacting cops as soon as he left-or earlier-that allowed him to leave. I understand that she was in shock over what she had been told--if she in fact did not help in anything at all. But according to her parents that went on national tv, she tried talking him into turning himself in. He chose not to. Once he left, she should have immediately called 911 or the sheriff's department. Even if she believed he was innocent and believed his story, she shouldn have gotten in touch with authorities immediately and not waiting until 8 am. If he did leave at 4 am, those 4 hours gave him plenty of time to aid his getaway.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I think you are right..the big one to NC first then the one he picked up in Houston. How much was the houston motherlode, anyway? Do we even know? [/*]

the houston one was in round #1 of questions to rsutherland . . . and remember :cool: he asked where we heard that from? posters' speculation was that that info should not have been released . . . jmo

[henry]

Originally posted by caejde
Morning everyone. I think that by Christina not contacting cops as soon as he left-or earlier-that allowed him to leave. I understand that she was in shock over what she had been told--if she in fact did not help in anything at all. But according to her parents that went on national tv, she tried talking him into turning himself in. He chose not to. Once he left, she should have immediately called 911 or the sheriff's department. Even if she believed he was innocent and believed his story, she shouldn have gotten in touch with authorities immediately and not waiting until 8 am. If he did leave at 4 am, those 4 hours gave him plenty of time to aid his getaway. [/*]

you're absolutely right - xtina should have called 911 immediately. as for the earlier part of your post, it is my opinion :) that xtina would have to be blind, deaf & be diagnosed with advanced altzheimers not to have noticed anything odd in her home.

after looking at the pictures of their garage, she was in there constantly - at a minimum to retrieve/put away her daughter's toys from the garage floor . . . and one would have to look down while walking to avoid tripping! jmo

edit . . . and i don't think she was in shock on 1/11 . . . but rather in cya mode . . . JMO, again!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by henry
oops . . . forgot my manners & forgot to add . . . thank you very much to all the provided links yesterday regarding statements made and morphed into something else . . . now i've just got 2 conclusions to find corresponding statements to . . . without the qualifying words - perhaps, possibly, maybe, etc.

. . . uncle peter said maria was diagnosed with bipolar
. . . maria's biological father was bipolar

*** this one was verified in an uncle peter video: mary had a scheduled trip to see maria before xmas and would be going to the olive garden

edit: it was so sad to hear uncle peter talk about what maria's biological mom did to her & annie - thank you to maria's real (not bio) mom & dad for what you did.:patriot: [/*]

Maybe you can try the LIBRARY for a copy of People Magazine if you are still questioning Sami and Daniel on reading it or Ocean and myself for seeing the original video.

Have you perused all the local news videos?:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by caejde
Morning everyone. I think that by Christina not contacting cops as soon as he left-or earlier-that allowed him to leave. I understand that she was in shock over what she had been told--if she in fact did not help in anything at all. But according to her parents that went on national tv, she tried talking him into turning himself in. He chose not to. Once he left, she should have immediately called 911 or the sheriff's department. Even if she believed he was innocent and believed his story, she shouldn have gotten in touch with authorities immediately and not waiting until 8 am. If he did leave at 4 am, those 4 hours gave him plenty of time to aid his getaway. [/*]

In my opinion, looking back on this, it is probably something she deeply regrets and will for the rest of her life. Yes, it was a mistake. I don't think it was done with the direct intention of helping him get away OR get away with murder.

[Squawk Box]

I don't believe the four hours Christina "waited" to go to police had anything to do with giving Cesar a head start. I believe she did try to get him to stay and turn himself in. She contacted a lawyer and her former CO and still got to the police quickly.

The MC was responsible for Cesar's getting away and shoving that off onto Christina won't change the MC's responsiblity in any way.

JMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


In my opinion, looking back on this, it is probably something she deeply regrets and will for the rest of her life. Yes, it was a mistake. I don't think it was done with the direct intention of helping him get away OR get away with murder. [/*]

I can see that. But I'm on the fence as to Christina. I can see where she would have known/helped in cleanup and maybe did the murder herself, but then I can see how she wouldn't have known. Cesar was a liar and nothing stopping him from lying to his wife. So I don't know...I see it both ways. My gut feeling though is she knew of something...but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

[henry]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Maybe you can try the LIBRARY for a copy of People Magazine if you are still questioning Sami and Daniel on reading it or Ocean and myself for seeing the original video.

Have you perused all the local news videos?:shrug: [/*]

yes, i've perused the ones i can get to play . . . but i'm not questioning specific posters as you are . . . just trying to get the facts straight in my head.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Squawk Box
I don't believe the four hours Christina "waited" to go to police had anything to do with giving Cesar a head start. I believe she did try to get him to stay and turn himself in. She contacted a lawyer and her former CO and still got to the police quickly.

The MC was responsible for Cesar's getting away and shoving that off onto Christina won't change the MC's responsiblity in any way.

JMO [/*]

Marine Corps had nothing to do with it. His being deemed not a flight risk had nothing to do with the disappearance/murder of Maria. It had everything to do with the rape allegations. And he had proved them right-he took leave 2 times, going to Nevada at least 1 of those and had 5 long liberty periods-Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas. He still showed up to his appointed place of duty.

Those 4 hours that Christina waited did have everything with him getting away. It doesn't take 4 hours to get a lawyer, get a former SNCO-not CO and go to authorities. Why not call her sister who was just a few miles down the road? If she is truly innocent, she wouldn't have needed anyone to go to the authorities.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Maybe you can try the LIBRARY for a copy of People Magazine if you are still questioning Sami and Daniel on reading it or Ocean and myself for seeing the original video.

Have you perused all the local news videos?:shrug: [/*]

I wouldn't hang my hat on one People Magazine article. Was Peter interviewed for that article? It easily could have been rumor or a misrepresentation of what was thought he had said.

Who is Ocean?

MOO

[henry]

also to add to caedje's post above . . . imo it was cesar, xtina and their lawyers that did not make them available for questioning by lle . . . nothing to do with the mc, imo, except i feel they (meaning the individual/contact at the mc base) could have raised cesar's name earlier on . . . that part is not clear to me as to exactly what transpired.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by caejde


*snipped*

If she is truly innocent, she wouldn't have needed anyone to go to the authorities. [/*]

Oh I absolutely disagree with this. Thinking of her frame of mind, emotions, etc. at the time.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I wouldn't hang my hat on one People Magazine article. Was Peter interviewed for that article? It easily could have been rumor or a misrepresentation of what was thought he had said.

Who is Ocean?

MOO [/*]

Ocean(BlueEyes) is a former nic of GentleBreeze. Many still fondly call her that.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by henry


yes, i've perused the ones i can get to play . . . but i'm not questioning specific posters as you are . . . just trying to get the facts straight in my head. [/*]

Those are the posters who claimed they saw the video and the two who said they read the article IIRC.

You might not have anything tangible to run with, but if you go to the library, just maybe you can get your hands on the issue of People Magazine for the last week of January. :shrug:

Then if you want to keep it in your FILES, you can SCAN it right there if your library has the technology.

Just a suggestion if you really want it for your FILES.

:D jmo

[henry]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Those are the posters who claimed they saw the video and the two who said they read the article IIRC.

You might not have anything tangible to run with, but if you go to the library, just maybe you can get your hands on the issue of People Magazine for the last week of January. :shrug:

Then if you want to keep it in your FILES, you can SCAN it right there if your library has the technology.

Just a suggestion if you really want it for your FILES.

:D jmo [/*]

thanks . . . i'll put that on my errands list this week . . . and then be back "on board" with it!

[donna]

Good Morning, everyone!

Between starting back to work part time and helping my Mother, I haven't had much time to post lately, but have read every single post!

I have always stated that Christina should have called 911 or LE the moment Cesar pulled out of their driveway at 4:00 AM on Jan. 11, 2007!

By waiting 4 hours, it did give CAL plenty of time to get to the Raleigh/Durham area.

The time she should have been in shock would have been when CAL asked her if she was 'with him' on this enroute to the lawyers office on Jan. 10, 2007. I would love to know what Christina's demeanor was during the lawyers visit! That would be very telling. She did have the morning, afternoon, evening, and night to recover from her shock. I just do not buy the shock thing for that long. She was 'at herself' enough to know to call her former Msgt. and a lawyer FOUR HOURS AFTER Cal left!

Is this 81 days now and no CAL?

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by henry


thanks . . . i'll put that on my errands list this week . . . and then be back "on board" with it! [/*]

Thanks Henry!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Maybe you can try the LIBRARY for a copy of People Magazine if you are still questioning Sami and Daniel on reading it or Ocean and myself for seeing the original video.

Have you perused all the local news videos?:shrug: [/*]

Do you remember the name or heading of the article?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by henry


thanks . . . i'll put that on my errands list this week . . . and then be back "on board" with it! [/*]

I remembered Nancy referencing the People Magazine article and went to see what Sutton had to say, but it was all about the shock and horror of covering up.

Then I tried Websleuths, but it looks like we have more links here and zip, nada, nothing.

JMO. :shrug:

I sent an email to the editor asking if there was a way to get the article from the January 28, 2008 edition and find out who was interviewed. Hopefully, they will answer. :D

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna
Good Morning, everyone!

Between starting back to work part time and helping my Mother, I haven't had much time to post lately, but have read every single post!

I have always stated that Christina should have called 911 or LE the moment Cesar pulled out of their driveway at 4:00 AM on Jan. 11, 2007!

By waiting 4 hours, it did give CAL plenty of time to get to the Raleigh/Durham area.

The time she should have been in shock would have been when CAL asked her if she was 'with him' on this enroute to the lawyers office on Jan. 10, 2007. I would love to know what Christina's demeanor was during the lawyers visit! That would be very telling. She did have the morning, afternoon, evening, and night to recover from her shock. I just do not buy the shock thing for that long. She was 'at herself' enough to know to call her former Msgt. and a lawyer FOUR HOURS AFTER Cal left!

Is this 81 days now and no CAL? [/*]

Hi donna, miss seeing you.:seeya:

Also, I've seen various times listed from four to eight hours for the amount of time she gave Cesar to get where he was going.

JMO.:shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Hi donna, miss seeing you.:seeya:

Also, I've seen various times listed from four to eight hours for the amount of time she gave Cesar to get where he was going.

JMO.:shrug: [/*]

:seeya: .... Hi, CANDYKISSES, and thanks!

I remember the article and video that is being discussed, but did not keep a copy of it!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I remembered Nancy referencing the People Magazine article and went to see what Sutton had to say, but it was all about the shock and horror of covering up.

Then I tried Websleuths, but it looks like we have more links here and zip, nada, nothing.

JMO. :shrug:

I sent an email to the editor asking if there was a way to get the article from the January 28, 2008 edition and find out who was interviewed. Hopefully, they will answer. :D [/*]

Great idea about the email, Candy.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Great idea about the email, Candy. [/*]

I'm going to the library later. No scanner there but there is a photo copy machine. I can then scan it with my scanner and hopefully get it up.

I gather it is the January 28th issue and someone named Sutton had something to do with it.

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde
Morning everyone. I think that by Christina not contacting cops as soon as he left-or earlier-that allowed him to leave. I understand that she was in shock over what she had been told--if she in fact did not help in anything at all. But according to her parents that went on national tv, she tried talking him into turning himself in. He chose not to. Once he left, she should have immediately called 911 or the sheriff's department. Even if she believed he was innocent and believed his story, she shouldn have gotten in touch with authorities immediately and not waiting until 8 am. If he did leave at 4 am, those 4 hours gave him plenty of time to aid his getaway. [/*]

Aid in his getaway? Heck she gave him a free pass to get away. I wonder how much of an impact her daughter had in delaying the report? I mean I wouldn't want the cops over at my house w/ my children present in an uproar. I'd want them away from the situation.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I'm going to the library later. No scanner there but there is a photo copy machine. I can then scan it with my scanner and hopefully get it up.

I gather it is the January 28th issue and someone named Sutton had something to do with it.

jmo [/*]

:seeya: Squawk. Here's a link to the cover of the January 28th issue of People Magazine which has the Lauterbach story listed in it's table of contents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20172244,00.html

[caejde]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Only takes 4 seconds to pick up the phone and call 911, at the very least, she should have been dialing as he backed out of the driveway...but henry and I are in agreement on this one- how could she not know?
Remember in the early and I mean first days of this case- the rumor going around initially was that Christina was out of town, I think the rumor was even that she was at her sisters...(??)
In those few beginning days, I thought, oh this man killed that poor marine while his wife was out of town...wife had no clue...I can see that...but when we found out she wasn't out of town but (possibly) at Cesars unti Christmas party- without him- that I had to get up from my chair here and go rummage through my closet for my big red BS flag to run up the pole....jmo [/*]

IA Annie. And like I posted upthread. I can see her being truly innocent...Cesar lied to everyone...I can see him lying to her too. But my gut tells me she had something to do with it. And if it comes out that I'm wrong...I will gladly admit that I'm wrong. And for the sake of Abrianna, I really hope she is truly innocent.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


:seeya: Squawk. Here's a link to the cover of the January 28th issue of People Magazine which has the Lauterbach story listed in it's table of contents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20172244,00.html [/*]

Thanks Lynn:seeya: I sure hope I can get it so we can have it up in the links thread.

[donna]

Originally posted by caejde


IA Annie. And like I posted upthread. I can see her being truly innocent...Cesar lied to everyone...I can see him lying to her too. But my gut tells me she had something to do with it. And if it comes out that I'm wrong...I will gladly admit that I'm wrong. And for the sake of Abrianna, I really hope she is truly innocent. [/*]

ITA, caejde.
And if I am wrong, I will gladly admit it also for the sake of Abrianna!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Only takes 4 seconds to pick up the phone and call 911, at the very least, she should have been dialing as he backed out of the driveway...but henry and I are in agreement on this one- how could she not know?
Remember in the early and I mean first days of this case- the rumor going around initially was that Christina was out of town, I think the rumor was even that she was at her sisters...(??)
In those few beginning days, I thought, oh this man killed that poor marine while his wife was out of town...wife had no clue...I can see that...but when we found out she wasn't out of town but (possibly) at Cesars unti Christmas party- without him- that I had to get up from my chair here and go rummage through my closet for my big red BS flag to run up the pole....jmo [/*]

I could see the flag waving from the southern tip of MD myself Annie. While looking for the article in print, I saw another poll and it was staggering referencing her alleged involvement. We aren't the only ones thinking between the 14th of December and the beginning of January, there was knowledge and planning going on. ALL JMO based on months of reading and following this case.

I can imagine it must really grate on the Lauterbach family, but without Cesar, I don't think they have much of anything. Remember the notes were well written for PROTECTION and I don't believe he had that much of a brain. AGAIN JMO.

IF Cesar is still alive, the truth needs to come out and anyone who helped him needs to face LADY JUSTICE as well from my POV.

:patriot:

I will always believe the later letters signaled where he was UNLESS we find he was deceased.

JMO again.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


ITA, caejde.
And if I am wrong, I will gladly admit it also for the sake of Abrianna! [/*]

I agree too donna, but it doesn't sound reasonable period. When I was thinking about the washer and dryer and how often I am in and out of my laundry room the other day, any little reserve for her not knowing was absent from there IMHO.

I want to be wrong on this one and have said so for months, but my instincts tell me I'm not. I'm not convinced she was THERE for the murder, but that is one of my theories. I do feel pretty confident she knew shortly thereafter, and was going along with what was necessary to stay in survival mode with her husband.

ALL JMO tho.

:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


:seeya: Squawk. Here's a link to the cover of the January 28th issue of People Magazine which has the Lauterbach story listed in it's table of contents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20172244,00.html [/*]

How do you to this Lynn? You're astonishingly quick in providing links. Thanks!

[scillak]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I agree too donna, but it doesn't sound reasonable period. When I was thinking about the washer and dryer and how often I am in and out of my laundry room the other day, any little reserve for her not knowing was absent from there IMHO.

I want to be wrong on this one and have said so for months, but my instincts tell me I'm not. I'm not convinced she was THERE for the murder, but that is one of my theories. I do feel pretty confident she knew shortly thereafter, and was going along with what was necessary to stay in survival mode with her husband.

ALL JMO tho.

:shrug: [/*]

Was their washer/dryer in the garage?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by scillak


Was their washer/dryer in the garage? [/*]

I think we all agreed that was true by some pictures the other day. Is the photo album Nuttintodo set up in the links thread? Those pictures might be there.

JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I agree too donna, but it doesn't sound reasonable period. When I was thinking about the washer and dryer and how often I am in and out of my laundry room the other day, any little reserve for her not knowing was absent from there IMHO.

I want to be wrong on this one and have said so for months, but my instincts tell me I'm not. I'm not convinced she was THERE for the murder, but that is one of my theories. I do feel pretty confident she knew shortly thereafter, and was going along with what was necessary to stay in survival mode with her husband.

ALL JMO tho.

:shrug: [/*]

Yes, I believe she helped clean up and paint at the very least. Abrianna is just a little innocent child, and really needs her Mother, so I hope I am wrong.
However, I still cannot get over Christina allowing CAL to get away. She did know the right thing to do.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by strick10


How do you to this Lynn? You're astonishingly quick in providing links. Thanks! [/*]

:seeya: strick. Well, I have this special equipment (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/tinfoil.gif) for seeking out links and such. :biggrin: J/K LOLOL

btw ~ reading over at Maria's Facebook site, there was an interesting post by someone who is pretty emphatic about 'knowing' Christina was at the Christmas party for only two hours. Interesting if true. JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


Yes, I believe she helped clean up and paint at the very least. Abrianna is just a little innocent child, and really needs her Mother, so I hope I am wrong.
However, I still cannot get over Christina allowing CAL to get away. She did know the right thing to do. [/*]

Sometimes a person can "know the right thing to do" but not do it, or not do it immediately anyway, for any number of reasons.

I think if I were in the position she was in it would take me a very long time to get over the denial mode. To me, that is very understandable.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


:seeya: strick. Well, I have this special equipment (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/tinfoil.gif) for seeking out links and such. :biggrin: J/K LOLOL

btw ~ reading over at Maria's Facebook site, there was an interesting post by someone who is pretty emphatic about 'knowing' Christina was at the Christmas party for only two hours. Interesting if true. JMO [/*]

Well I bet if that persons "knows" it, LE does as well. So......

[scillak]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I think we all agreed that was true by some pictures the other day. Is the photo album Nuttintodo set up in the links thread? Those pictures might be there.

JMO [/*]

I missed that. I was here for a garage discussion, but I don't think anyone knew that yet. I'll go look, but I believe you. Thanks! And that does make it less likely that Christina wouldn't notice anything.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


:seeya: strick. Well, I have this special equipment (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/tinfoil.gif) for seeking out links and such. :biggrin: J/K LOLOL

btw ~ reading over at Maria's Facebook site, there was an interesting post by someone who is pretty emphatic about 'knowing' Christina was at the Christmas party for only two hours. Interesting if true. JMO [/*]

:eek: Off to look at facebook......good find Lynn!

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Sometimes a person can "know the right thing to do" but not do it, or not do it immediately anyway, for any number of reasons.

I think if I were in the position she was in it would take me a very long time to get over the denial mode. To me, that is very understandable. [/*]

SS, I respect your opinion, and I am not just saying this - I would not have even gone back home with CAL from the lawyers office had I been Christina. And yes, I can state that as fact where I am concerned.

More a CYA mode than survival mode, IMO.

ETA - mean denial mode!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


SS, I respect your opinion, and I am not just saying this - I would not have even gone back home with CAL from the lawyers office had I been Christina. And yes, I can state that as fact where I am concerned.

More a CYA mode than survival mode, IMO.

ETA - mean denial mode! [/*]

ITA, if I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE, the lawyer would have been my protection and who I utilized to get my child to safety as well.

JMO but NO WAY. :(

[marinewife5]

If le can come up with something concrete to show she was not there at the time of the murder, i'll side with christina. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


SS, I respect your opinion, and I am not just saying this - I would not have even gone back home with CAL from the lawyers office had I been Christina. And yes, I can state that as fact where I am concerned.

More a CYA mode than survival mode, IMO.

ETA - mean denial mode! [/*]

I believe that is what you believe you would do. I believe that is what I believe I would do as well! However, I think what we BELIEVE we would do MIGHT be a far cry from what we actually would do, under those circumstances.

Fortunately, we are not, and most likely never will be, in her position. It was a horrific experience for anyone. Very hard to say for certain what we would do, we can only base our best guess on what we would do, on knowing ourselves. But.....you never do know, until it actually happens.

I respect your opinions, also! Boy, ONE of us is going to be wrong, and I do think we shall find out some day.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by marinewife5
If le can come up with something concrete to show she was not there at the time of the murder, i'll side with christina. jmo [/*]

I couldn't show ya that, but I'd be willing to bet LE could. (But of course they won't.) ;)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I couldn't show ya that, but I'd be willing to bet LE could. (But of course they won't.) ;) [/*]

if they were intent on showing the public that she is not a suspect, what harm is there in sharing that information? it is obvious from the jdnews site that she is not well liked in this community. le is well aware of the community's suspicions of her. so far, le has let us believe that they are basing the time and day of death on christina's word. jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I believe that is what you believe you would do. I believe that is what I believe I would do as well! However, I think what we BELIEVE we would do MIGHT be a far cry from what we actually would do, under those circumstances.

Fortunately, we are not, and most likely never will be, in her position. It was a horrific experience for anyone. Very hard to say for certain what we would do, we can only base our best guess on what we would do, on knowing ourselves. But.....you never do know, until it actually happens.

I respect your opinions, also! Boy, ONE of us is going to be wrong, and I do think we shall find out some day. [/*]

No, I really would never go back home with my husband if he had told me he had buried a body of a pregnant woman he had been accused of raping. No way, no how!

I do hope I am wrong about Christina! :) .... Got my big girl britches ready to put on if I am wrong about Christina, and I hope I am!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


if they were intent on showing the public that she is not a suspect, what harm is there in sharing that information? it is obvious from the jdnews site that she is not well liked in this community. le is well aware of the community's suspicions of her. so far, le has let us believe that they are basing the time and day of death on christina's word. jmo [/*]

I've said before I don't think anyone except crime board followers and those people who make comments on that (and other) sites are the only ones this concerns. I do not for a minute think LE is intent on showing US anything one way or the other.

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5
If le can come up with something concrete to show she was not there at the time of the murder, i'll side with christina. jmo [/*]

Me too, marinewife5! That would absolve Christina of participating in Maria and Gabriel's murder.

However, I still would wonder if she helped in the cleanup after she got home.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I've said before I don't think anyone except crime board followers and those people who make comments on that (and other) sites are the only ones this concerns. I do not for a minute think LE is intent on showing US anything one way or the other. [/*]

well, i live in onslow county, and i hear talk of the case and her involvement almost everywhere i go. on base, at stores, parties, etc. jmo

[Squawk Box]

I think the public has been shown she was not involved. She is not under arrest. She certainly would be by now if she had been involved. imo

LE is not basing anything on her word alone. They base their findings on their investigation of the entire case. imo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


well, i live in onslow county, and i hear talk of the case and her involvement almost everywhere i go. on base, at stores, parties, etc. jmo [/*]

Yes, I believe you....but as I meant to put in my last post but forgot.....how about the people who do NOT talk/care about this case? We don't hear about them, of course. To give an analogy, say there are 10 people in an office who say they hate their boss. That doesn't mean all people working in the office hate their boss. Especially if there are an additional 85 people who have NOT spoken out that they hate their boss.

See what I mean? Of course the ones we HEAR about are the vocal ones against Christina.

And I still go back to GB mentioning this a lot on here, my response is simply that just because "so many" people think she is guilty, certainly doesn't mean she is, necessarily. What something looks like can certainly be far from the reality.

Just sayin.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box
I think the public has been shown she was not involved. She is not under arrest. She certainly would be by now if she had been involved. imo

LE is not basing anything on her word alone. They base their findings on their investigation of the entire case. imo [/*]

Amen to your last paragraph! :beer:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yes, I believe you....but as I meant to put in my last post but forgot.....how about the people who do NOT talk/care about this case? We don't hear about them, of course. To give an analogy, say there are 10 people in an office who say they hate their boss. That doesn't mean all people working in the office hate their boss. Especially if there are an additional 85 people who have NOT spoken out that they hate their boss.

See what I mean? Of course the ones we HEAR about are the vocal ones against Christina.

And I still go back to GB mentioning this a lot on here, my response is simply that just because "so many" people think she is guilty, certainly doesn't mean she is, necessarily. What something looks like can certainly be far from the reality.

Just sayin. [/*]

so to have an interest in the case, one would not be able to support christina? not even one person I've talked to? out of dozens and dozens? and those with no interest in the case would only have that lack of interest because they are not against christina?

lack of arrest does not her innocence prove, imo.

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


thats interesting to know, MW5....thanks for sharing that. I have wondered how the public was reacting in Onslow.....really and truly and not the medias "take" on it....

donna ITA with your above post. but I can't beleive she had NO INKLING and just get the strong feeling, she knew alot. jmo. [/*]

Hi, AnnieBean!

My gut feeling also.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde
Morning everyone. I think that by Christina not contacting cops as soon as he left-or earlier-that allowed him to leave. I understand that she was in shock over what she had been told--if she in fact did not help in anything at all. But according to her parents that went on national tv, she tried talking him into turning himself in. He chose not to. Once he left, she should have immediately called 911 or the sheriff's department. Even if she believed he was innocent and believed his story, she shouldn't have gotten in touch with authorities immediately and not waiting until 8 am. If he did leave at 4 am, those 4 hours gave him plenty of time to aid his getaway. [/*]

I have to agree with you, caejde. People that are shocked and dismayed call 911 immediately all the time.

By allowing him a 200 mile leeway is a tremendous amount of time to be anywhere in any direction by then. By the time OSCD were even made aware he had gone at least 250 miles. It is almost impossible to find someone if they are that far ahead and before they can even begin looking and guessing any direction he is getting further and further away from the area.

I also think that his family knows a lot. Not only about Maria's death of course or where he has fled but imoo I think they know much more than we think they do about this entire situation and true relationship and what some of the plans were. I think the SD has learned things from this family that may have clarified certain things.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5
If le can come up with something concrete to show she was not there at the time of the murder, i'll side with christina. jmo [/*]

Is it possible that you can confirm whether the washer and dryer are in fact in the garage at some point in the next few days MW?:cool:

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by donna


Me too, marinewife5! That would absolve Christina of participating in Maria and Gabriel's murder.

However, I still would wonder if she helped in the cleanup after she got home. [/*]


No matter what LE said, there would still be doubts. As CS said, paraphrasing, anything I answer would just bring more questions. imo

Even if LE said she was not involved, and will not be charged ect. there would still be doubts. They would be unable to satisfy anyone. Why even bother? That is what the trial is for anyway.

IF Christina is living under "everyone's" suspicion in Onslow County, that is just another nightmare Cesar caused her. I'm sure the people that matter to her do not feel the same. jmo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Is it possible that you can confirm whether the washer and dryer are in fact in the garage at some point in the next few days MW?:cool: [/*]

already on my errands list today;)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


already on my errands list today;) [/*]

Thank ya very much and hope you enjoy your afternoon too! :patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have to agree with you, caejde. People that are shocked and dismayed call 911 immediately all the time.

By allowing him a 200 mile leeway is a tremendous amount of time to be anywhere in any direction by then. By the time OSCD were even made aware he had gone at least 250 miles. It is almost impossible to find someone if they are that far ahead and before they can even begin looking and guessing any direction he is getting further and further away from the area.

I also think that his family knows a lot. Not only about Maria's death of course or where he has fled but imoo I think they know much more than we think they do about this entire situation and true relationship and what some of the plans were. I think the SD has learned things from this family that may have clarified certain things.

imoo [/*]

:seeya: ..... GB!

ITA

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


already on my errands list today;) [/*]

:seeya: ... Thank you, MW5!

*Still ready to take off for Vegas to do some bounty hunting!*

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yes, I believe you....but as I meant to put in my last post but forgot.....how about the people who do NOT talk/care about this case? We don't hear about them, of course. To give an analogy, say there are 10 people in an office who say they hate their boss. That doesn't mean all people working in the office hate their boss. Especially if there are an additional 85 people who have NOT spoken out that they hate their boss.

See what I mean? Of course the ones we HEAR about are the vocal ones against Christina.

And I still go back to GB mentioning this a lot on here, my response is simply that just because "so many" people think she is guilty, certainly doesn't mean she is, necessarily. What something looks like can certainly be far from the reality.

Just sayin. [/*]

Morning SS!

But you would think since so many people are of the belief up there that she is deeply involved in this that others who did not think so would speak up when all the chatter is happening and say "well,I for one, thinks she is innocent in all of this." I just can't see why no one seems to come to her defense in Jacksonville in some form or another. They all know what most people think imo and I think even CSL realizes that the majority of citizens look at her with a very critical eye.

Just seems strange that no friend, family or coworkers seems to speak out for her.

And I do think this case is still very much in the minds of those who live up there.

imoo

[Squawk Box]

I was questioning where the washer and dryer was also. Nuttin pointed out she saw a dryer exhaust coming from the rear of the garage. I believe it was in the video when Greta's crew was filming. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


:seeya: ..... GB!

ITA [/*]

Hi Donna!:seeya: :)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna


:seeya: ... Thank you, MW5!

*Still ready to take off for Vegas to do some bounty hunting!* [/*]

just let me grab nuttin and we'll meet ya there!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


so to have an interest in the case, one would not be able to support christina? not even one person I've talked to? out of dozens and dozens? and those with no interest in the case would only have that lack of interest because they are not against christina?

lack of arrest does not her innocence prove, imo. [/*]

No no no, you misunderstood my post. Or I wasn't clear. Sorry.

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Donna!:seeya: :) [/*]

I also find it very odd that not even one friend or coworker has spoken up for Christina.

*Hope your daughter is continuing to improve!

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5


just let me grab nuttin and we'll meet ya there! [/*]

:D ... Great! With you and nuttin both CAL wouldn't stand a chance of remaining hidden!

You might search the woods by CAL's house before heading out just to be sure there are no graves there!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Morning SS!

But you would think since so many people are of the belief up there that she is deeply involved in this that others who did not think so would speak up when all the chatter is happening and say "well,I for one, thinks she is innocent in all of this." I just can't see why no one seems to come to her defense in Jacksonville in some form or another. They all know what most people think imo and I think even CSL realizes that the majority of citizens look at her with a very critical eye.

Just seems strange that no friend, family or coworkers seems to speak out for her.

And I do think this case is still very much in the minds of those who live up there.

imoo [/*]

Let's compare Onslow County to this message board. Say there are 40 posters who feel Christina is guilty of something and post to that. Say there are two posters who feel she is not guilty and post to that.

Posters here who feel she is not guilty are in the minority and that is obvious. I'd say people in Onslow County who feel she is not guilty don't speak to the fact because they don't want and argument.

I still think there are more there that may feel she is innocent. I also feel many people there don't care. It depends mostly on the circles they run in all the time.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


I also find it very odd that not even one friend or coworker has spoken up for Christina.

*Hope your daughter is continuing to improve! [/*]

Well all I can say if she was my friend and I truly thought she was 100% innocent I would be saying it to anyone who would listen.

Has there even been editorials sent in to papers where people could defend her there for all to read?

So strange.........reminds me a lot of the Drew Peterson fiasco.

Personally and IMOO, I think others are reluctant to speak out fearing in the end they will be proven wrong. JMO tho.

She is continuing to improve...slowly but surely. Thanks.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by donna


:D ... Great! With you and nuttin both CAL wouldn't stand a chance of remaining hidden!

You might search the woods by CAL's house before heading out just to be sure there are no graves there! [/*]

all i have are plastic coat hangers. j/k...i love ya EB!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Let's compare Onslow County to this message board. Say there are 40 posters who feel Christina is guilty of something and post to that. Say there are two posters who feel she is not guilty and post to that.

Posters here who feel she is not guilty are in the minority and that is obvious. I'd say people in Onslow County who feel she is not guilty don't speak to the fact because they don't want and argument.

I still think there are more there that may feel she is innocent. I also feel many people there don't care. It depends mostly on the circles they run in all the time.

JMO [/*]

I have actually taken christina's side in conversations and no one would agree with me. I am all over this county almost every day. Many many people do care. jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Let's compare Onslow County to this message board. Say there are 40 posters who feel Christina is guilty of something and post to that. Say there are two posters who feel she is not guilty and post to that.

Posters here who feel she is not guilty are in the minority and that is obvious. I'd say people in Onslow County who feel she is not guilty don't speak to the fact because they don't want and argument.

I still think there are more there that may feel she is innocent. I also feel many people there don't care. It depends mostly on the circles they run in all the time.

JMO [/*]

I really can't add anymore to that. Well said.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Let's compare Onslow County to this message board. Say there are 40 posters who feel Christina is guilty of something and post to that. Say there are two posters who feel she is not guilty and post to that.

Posters here who feel she is not guilty are in the minority and that is obvious. I'd say people in Onslow County who feel she is not guilty don't speak to the fact because they don't want and argument.

I still think there are more there that may feel she is innocent. I also feel many people there don't care. It depends mostly on the circles they run in all the time.

JMO [/*]

By using this as an example it shows no matter the majority or the minority view.........the posters here on either side will not be silenced and continue to voice their opinions of innocence or guilt.

It would be no different in Jacksonville imo. Where have the ones who speak of innocence been?

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well all I can say if she was my friend and I truly thought she was 100% innocent I would be saying it to anyone who would listen.

Has there even been editorials sent in to papers where people could defend her there for all to read?

So strange.........reminds me a lot of the Drew Peterson fiasco.

Personally and IMOO, I think others are reluctant to speak out fearing in the end they will be proven wrong. JMO tho.

She is continuing to improve...slowly but surely. Thanks.

imoo [/*]

My Mother is 83 years old and never watches anything remotely relating to crimes or murders.

I ran it by her and she thinks there is no way Christina just knows absolutely nothing!

(and I hope that someday we see justice for Kathleen and Stacy)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I have actually taken christina's side in conversations and no one would agree with me. I am all over this county almost every day. Many many people do care. jmo [/*]

GM MW5!

I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority do care very much and will continue to care.

Well at least you tried. I just don't think many see that it is feasible that she is innocent in all of this. IMO it is a hard sell.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


GM MW5!

I have no doubt that the overwhelming majority do care very much and will continue to care.

Well at least you tried. I just don't think many see that it is feasible that she is innocent in all of this. IMO it is a hard sell.

imoo [/*]
i will add to my list of errands: find someone who thinks christina is completely innocent.

I will try my best!

gotta go do stuff:seeya:

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


YES!!!!! [/*]

NO!!!!!! i think :) re washer/dryer in garage - just catching up . . . working on the garage drawing with other posters . . . there's a jutout (where the brown paint spot is) in the garage . . . think it is inside now and inbetween the garage & the dining room. just one garage picture has us stumped as to placement . . . and that picture has been sent out to kay to see if he knows what's in the picture . . . all referencing/placing in relationship to the blue water heater . . . jmo :D

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5

i will add to my list of errands: find someone who thinks christina is completely innocent.

I will try my best!

gotta go do stuff:seeya: [/*]

:seeya: ... See ya later!

[Lyn_T]

Morning all.

My 2 cents....IF I were Christina and innocent you would here me loud and clear lawyers or no lawyers. I would be screaming it for everyone and anyone to hear....but that is just me, I value my reputation more. But, I am not her. Nor would I want to be right now, knowing how folks are talking/thinking. Does make one think though as everyone has lawyered up including her parents who were so outspoken at first. IMOO

In this article at JDNews, I tried to find where RS commented if someone could produce evidence against her, then they would and could do something. But not this one and when they move them to archives the comments are gone.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54956___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

Something else jumped out when I was re-reading the comments. Didn't someone here mention a name Sussman, or was I dreaming? Can't find it now.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


My Mother is 83 years old and never watches anything remotely relating to crimes or murders.

I ran it by her and she thinks there is no way Christina just knows absolutely nothing!

(and I hope that someday we see justice for Kathleen and Stacy) [/*]

Good for your mother......I think she went on her natural instinct which serves us well most times imo.

My hubby is not a crime buff but he is a sweetie and asks me about the cases I follow. When all this happened the first words out of his mouth once he found out CSL turned in the note(S) and CL had fled was CL was covering for CSL and she is the one who did this. Now he is a man that is usually in the corner of the female's side most times but not this time and he will not budge on his belief. lol

imoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by henry


NO!!!!!! i think :) re washer/dryer in garage - just catching up . . . working on the garage drawing with other posters . . . there's a jutout (where the brown paint spot is) in the garage . . . think it is inside now and inbetween the garage & the dining room. just one garage picture has us stumped as to placement . . . and that picture has been sent out to kay to see if he knows what's in the picture . . . all referencing/placing in relationship to the blue water heater . . . jmo :D [/*]

:confused:

What?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5

i will add to my list of errands: find someone who thinks christina is completely innocent.

I will try my best!

gotta go do stuff:seeya: [/*]

:biggrin: While you are at it.......send them to Lindell Kay when you do. Be even better if they really know Christina.

Your list is getting longer. lol

imoo:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


:seeya: strick. Well, I have this special equipment (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/lynngweenytoo/MB%20Expressions/tinfoil.gif) for seeking out links and such. :biggrin: J/K LOLOL

btw ~ reading over at Maria's Facebook site, there was an interesting post by someone who is pretty emphatic about 'knowing' Christina was at the Christmas party for only two hours. Interesting if true. JMO [/*]

Lynn - did this poster say what time she was there (as in, for example, from 4:00 to 6:00), or just that she was there 2 hours? TIA

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


all i have are plastic coat hangers. j/k...i love ya EB! [/*]

LOL, don't make me go all "Joan Crawford" on you!

:D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


:confused:

What? [/*]

I believe the laundry room is in the garage and is on the other side of that wall with the brown painted square. JMO

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Lynn - did this poster say what time she was there (as in, for example, from 4:00 to 6:00), or just that she was there 2 hours? TIA [/*]

Just the 2 hour comment and no reference to any other time frames, e.g., the time the party started and/or ended.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Just the 2 hour comment and no reference to any other time frames, e.g., the time the party started and/or ended. [/*]

Oh geeeez! (and thanks, btw) Why can't we find out the time of this party?? It is maddening!

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5
If le can come up with something concrete to show she was not there at the time of the murder, i'll side with christina. jmo [/*]

Wouldn't that entail having an exact time of death?

Remember, the "notes" say that Maria returned "later that evening".

But yeah, concrete proof that she was somewhere else during the alleged two visits by Maria, the murder, the burial, and the cleanup would go a long way in reversing my opinions about Christina.

Without a time of death, IMO it's just not going to happen.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


:confused:

What? [/*]

:D

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


LOL, don't make me go all "Joan Crawford" on you!

:D [/*]

:eek: .... I have some wire hangers in my closet and I also have pulled every single tag off of everything, including my pillows, and even my mattress!

:seeya: ... hi, cryme!

[donna]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Just the 2 hour comment and no reference to any other time frames, e.g., the time the party started and/or ended. [/*]

Hi, Lynn!

Could you PM me and tell me where to look on FaceBook for the comments?

Thanks so much!... :)

[nuttintodo]

IMO, the reason a lot of people doubt Christina is totally innocent is for the following reasons:

1) According to her rendition, CAL told her his story about Maria's 'suicide' on 1/10/08 on the way to Mark Raynor's office. (I can understand shock when CAL told her his 'story', totally I do)

2) According to CSL, CAL left their house around 4am on 1/11/08. She said she 'found' notes written by CAL after he left.

But....here is where I have a problem: after the initial shock wore off, she made no attempt to contact LLE. I agree that contacting her attorney first was a wise move but still why did she not contact LLE, tell them she was in possession of notes, supposedly written by her husband and then say, I am contacting my attorney first and after I speak to him, I will be in with the notes? (And in my dealings with attorneys, you can always contact them day or night)

No, she chose to contact her former MSgt., then her attorney (whoever she contacted first doesn't matter, the contact was made) and then contact was made with NCIS, who actually placed the call to OCSD, according to reports.

Then throw in that we've heard differing accounts of the 'facts' in regards to the notes. First, we heard her parents on CBS stating that Christina awoke to find CAL writing the notes, she begged him to turn himself in, etc. but yet after he left, she made no contact with OCSD.

Then there's Wanda's account of when she saw his truck, him outside, them talking, leaving in his 'Marine outfit', etc.

So IMO, something is not adding up. If Christina is totally innocent why didn't she make contact with LLE soon after her husband skipped town?

And at least a four hour headstart isn't helping either.

All JMO

[donna]

AnnieBean, I like your Mother and her friends!
Happy Hookers! They just have to be a great group to have such a wonderful sense of humor!

:D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Morning all.

My 2 cents....IF I were Christina and innocent you would here me loud and clear lawyers or no lawyers. I would be screaming it for everyone and anyone to hear....but that is just me, I value my reputation more. But, I am not her. Nor would I want to be right now, knowing how folks are talking/thinking. Does make one think though as everyone has lawyered up including her parents who were so outspoken at first. IMOO

In this article at JDNews, I tried to find where RS commented if someone could produce evidence against her, then they would and could do something. But not this one and when they move them to archives the comments are gone.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54956___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

Something else jumped out when I was re-reading the comments. Didn't someone here mention a name Sussman, or was I dreaming? Can't find it now. [/*]

Yes whenever they move articles to the archives, all comments are gone.

Are you thinking of the name Snodgrass who's name is on the 1/7/08 SW? IIRC that's the person who was at DD's home the day the SW was executed.

JMO

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by donna


No, I really would never go back home with my husband if he had told me he had buried a body of a pregnant woman he had been accused of raping. No way, no how!

I do hope I am wrong about Christina! :) .... Got my big girl britches ready to put on if I am wrong about Christina, and I hope I am! [/*]

I hope I'm wrong about Christina too because I think she was more than an observer.

I'm not convinced she didn't assist in writing (I think it was from the computer and unsigned) the note she presented and it will be of zero value to her.

So IMO, if she's in for a penny; she's in for a pound.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
IMO, the reason a lot of people doubt Christina is totally innocent is for the following reasons:

1) According to her rendition, CAL told her his story about Maria's 'suicide' on 1/10/08 on the way to Mark Raynor's office. (I can understand shock when CAL told her his 'story', totally I do)

2) According to CSL, CAL left their house around 4am on 1/11/08. She said she 'found' notes written by CAL after he left.

But....here is where I have a problem: after the initial shock wore off, she made no attempt to contact LLE. I agree that contacting her attorney first was a wise move but still why did she not contact LLE, tell them she was in possession of notes, supposedly written by her husband and then say, I am contacting my attorney first and after I speak to him, I will be in with the notes? (And in my dealings with attorneys, you can always contact them day or night)

No, she chose to contact her former MSgt., then her attorney (whoever she contacted first doesn't matter, the contact was made) and then contact was made with NCIS, who actually placed the call to OCSD, according to reports.

Then throw in that we've heard differing accounts of the 'facts' in regards to the notes. First, we heard her parents on CBS stating that Christina awoke to find CAL writing the notes, she begged him to turn himself in, etc. but yet after he left, she made no contact with OCSD.

Then there's Wanda's account of when she saw his truck, him outside, them talking, leaving in his 'Marine outfit', etc.

So IMO, something is not adding up. If Christina is totally innocent why didn't she make contact with LLE soon after her husband skipped town?

And at least a four hour headstart isn't helping either.

All JMO [/*]

Maybe her attorney told her what to do. Maybe it was his decision on how to handle the situation. As a matter of fact, I believe it would have been at that time. JMO

PS I don't believe Wanda.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
IMO, the reason a lot of people doubt Christina is totally innocent is for the following reasons:

1) According to her rendition, CAL told her his story about Maria's 'suicide' on 1/10/08 on the way to Mark Raynor's office. (I can understand shock when CAL told her his 'story', totally I do)

2) According to CSL, CAL left their house around 4am on 1/11/08. She said she 'found' notes written by CAL after he left.

But....here is where I have a problem: after the initial shock wore off, she made no attempt to contact LLE. I agree that contacting her attorney first was a wise move but still why did she not contact LLE, tell them she was in possession of notes, supposedly written by her husband and then say, I am contacting my attorney first and after I speak to him, I will be in with the notes? (And in my dealings with attorneys, you can always contact them day or night)

No, she chose to contact her former MSgt., then her attorney (whoever she contacted first doesn't matter, the contact was made) and then contact was made with NCIS, who actually placed the call to OCSD, according to reports.

Then throw in that we've heard differing accounts of the 'facts' in regards to the notes. First, we heard her parents on CBS stating that Christina awoke to find CAL writing the notes, she begged him to turn himself in, etc. but yet after he left, she made no contact with OCSD.

Then there's Wanda's account of when she saw his truck, him outside, them talking, leaving in his 'Marine outfit', etc.

So IMO, something is not adding up. If Christina is totally innocent why didn't she make contact with LLE soon after her husband skipped town?

And at least a four hour headstart isn't helping either.

All JMO [/*]

Don't forget she called her parents too that same morning.

IIRC

And, ETA, for all we know he left the night before.

[henry]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes whenever they move articles to the archives, all comments are gone.

Are you thinking of the name Snodgrass who's name is on the 1/7/08 SW? IIRC that's the person who was at DD's home the day the SW was executed.

JMO [/*]

that name sounds familiar to me also . . . nothing in my maria file, but did find a person in the comments section to this maria article

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Morning all.

My 2 cents....IF I were Christina and innocent you would here me loud and clear lawyers or no lawyers. I would be screaming it for everyone and anyone to hear....but that is just me, I value my reputation more. But, I am not her. Nor would I want to be right now, knowing how folks are talking/thinking. Does make one think though as everyone has lawyered up including her parents who were so outspoken at first. IMOO

In this article at JDNews, I tried to find where RS commented if someone could produce evidence against her, then they would and could do something. But not this one and when they move them to archives the comments are gone.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54956___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

Something else jumped out when I was re-reading the comments. Didn't someone here mention a name Sussman, or was I dreaming? Can't find it now. [/*]

Sutton was mentioned but that was in reference to the People Magazine article.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
henry- can the jut out that you are talking about be seen on the greta shoe discovery video?

Or is it on the SIDE of the garage- I am just now understanding what you mean by a "jut out" ...I know you sent me a drawing but I don't remember...tia

(remember those pics a poster put a link to that she found that a real estate co had on file from when cesar and christinas house was on the market- before they bought it-????? that will give you an idea of the layout of the inside of the house....) [/*]

thanks . . . we're taking the measurements from that . make believe you're standing in the garage heading out the back door to the back yard . . . the wall that's to your left with the brown patch has the door into the laundry room (and this wall (only about 6'-7-8' long) runs parallel to the length of the garage . . . oh, crap, it's too hard to type & a picture says a 1,000 words . . .

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
henry- can the jut out that you are talking about be seen on the greta shoe discovery video?

Or is it on the SIDE of the garage- I am just now understanding what you mean by a "jut out" ...I know you sent me a drawing but I don't remember...tia

(remember those pics a poster put a link to that she found that a real estate co had on file from when cesar and christinas house was on the market- before they bought it-????? that will give you an idea of the layout of the inside of the house....) [/*]

JMO, but looking at the photo that was posted by nuttin showing the dining room view looking towards the door leading out to the garage, it appears that there is a 'utility room' large enough to have a washer/dryer there INside the house. It would appear that the vent seen jutting from the outside where Capt. Sutherland and Greta were standing in the backyard would line up where that room would be in the house. JMO

[Lyn_T]

Here is another pic of the outside captured from Greta's video.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/tay972/dryervent.jpg

As she and Sutherland walk the back yard, he states the outside door leads into the living room, then there are double windows, then they walk by solid wall toward the garage back door. The dryer vent in this pic is very near the garage door, which leads me to believe the w/d is in the garage. All of my vents have always been direct outside to dryer location....just IMOO
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes whenever they move articles to the archives, all comments are gone.

Are you thinking of the name Snodgrass who's name is on the 1/7/08 SW? IIRC that's the person who was at DD's home the day the SW was executed.

JMO [/*]

Nuttin, as far as the placement of the washer and dryer, you had posted you saw an exhaust for a dryer in the Greta video, right? Wasn't that at the rear of the garage. I remember a discussion on that. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by henry


that name sounds familiar to me also . . . nothing in my maria file, but did find a person in the comments section to this maria article

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html [/*]

The name appears on the SW/Affidavit of 1/7/08 located here:

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf

There is also another name, Perry on Page 16. Snodgrass' name is on Page 5.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Nuttin, as far as the placement of the washer and dryer, you had posted you saw an exhaust for a dryer in the Greta video, right? Wasn't that at the rear of the garage. I remember a discussion on that. jmo [/*]

Nope, wasn't me, that was IIRC Lyn_T.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


LOL, don't make me go all "Joan Crawford" on you!

:D [/*]


:lol:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
IMO, the reason a lot of people doubt Christina is totally innocent is for the following reasons:

1) According to her rendition, CAL told her his story about Maria's 'suicide' on 1/10/08 on the way to Mark Raynor's office. (I can understand shock when CAL told her his 'story', totally I do)

2) According to CSL, CAL left their house around 4am on 1/11/08. She said she 'found' notes written by CAL after he left.

But....here is where I have a problem: after the initial shock wore off, she made no attempt to contact LLE. I agree that contacting her attorney first was a wise move but still why did she not contact LLE, tell them she was in possession of notes, supposedly written by her husband and then say, I am contacting my attorney first and after I speak to him, I will be in with the notes? (And in my dealings with attorneys, you can always contact them day or night)

No, she chose to contact her former MSgt., then her attorney (whoever she contacted first doesn't matter, the contact was made) and then contact was made with NCIS, who actually placed the call to OCSD, according to reports.

Then throw in that we've heard differing accounts of the 'facts' in regards to the notes. First, we heard her parents on CBS stating that Christina awoke to find CAL writing the notes, she begged him to turn himself in, etc. but yet after he left, she made no contact with OCSD.

Then there's Wanda's account of when she saw his truck, him outside, them talking, leaving in his 'Marine outfit', etc.

So IMO, something is not adding up. If Christina is totally innocent why didn't she make contact with LLE soon after her husband skipped town?

And at least a four hour headstart isn't helping either.

All JMO [/*]
But didn't she help him paint over the bloody mess in the house and garage :shrug:

[donna]

**respectfully snipped**

Originally posted by nuttintodo


But....here is where I have a problem: after the initial shock wore off, she made no attempt to contact LLE. I agree that contacting her attorney first was a wise move but still why did she not contact LLE, tell them she was in possession of notes, supposedly written by her husband and then say, I am contacting my attorney first and after I speak to him, I will be in with the notes? (And in my dealings with attorneys, you can always contact them day or night)

No, she chose to contact her former MSgt., then her attorney husband skipped town?

And at least a four hour headstart isn't helping either.

All JMO [/*]

:seeya: ...Hi nuttin!

Absolutely great post and my opinion as well!!!

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Sutton was mentioned but that was in reference to the People Magazine article. [/*]

TY, my confusion on name. Sussman just popped out for some reason other than he was telling Cesar that Christina was hot in his comment on JDNews in spanish.
http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54956___article.html/lauterbach_cesar.html

[henry]

lyn t - there's 2 duplicate stories on the jdnews website - one has 8 pages of comments . . . the other one only has 1 page

the 2nd link on this search page is the one with all the comments still there

http://www.jdnews.com/search/?entqr=0&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&client=jdn&q=lauterbach&ucgid=search%2F&filter=0&ud=1&fistype=site&site=jdn&spell=1&oe=UTF-8&proxystylesheet=fi_results_only_web&hl=en&ip=69.25.233.39&proxyreload=0&tabsOnly=true&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1


edit: crap . . . the above is wrong info . . . just went back & triple checked - 8 pages are on both! going to get more coffee :cool:

[donna]

Originally posted by Jan Powell


I hope I'm wrong about Christina too because I think she was more than an observer.

I'm not convinced she didn't assist in writing (I think it was from the computer and unsigned) the note she presented and it will be of zero value to her.

So IMO, if she's in for a penny; she's in for a pound. [/*]

I am not convinced she did not have a part in the note writing either.

You are right, IMO, about the penny/pound!

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Maybe her attorney told her what to do. Maybe it was his decision on how to handle the situation. As a matter of fact, I believe it would have been at that time. JMO

PS I don't believe Wanda. [/*]

I agree about Wanda. She may have been mixed up about which day she saw him. I think he left at 4 am in civilian clothes. IMO

[Kel65]

Candy can you do some housecleaning?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


whoa- from the computer and unsigned? I have never heard that before- are you sure? I had the impression they were handwritten....I don't know why!!! help me.....i'm melting..... [/*]


:lol: Hi Annie, Me too. I thought they were handwritten, but maybe that was an assumption on my part. I'd love to know if they were from the computer. IMO

[henry]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


The name appears on the SW/Affidavit of 1/7/08 located here:

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf

There is also another name, Perry on Page 16. Snodgrass' name is on Page 5.

JMO [/*]

:seeya: i was talking about sussman! okay, who's on first - not me.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bkwits



:lol: Hi Annie, Me too. I thought they were handwritten, but maybe that was an assumption on my part. I'd love to know if they were from the computer. IMO [/*]

I don't think we know for fact one way or other. I have never heard they were from the computer. I, too, 'assumed' handwritten.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't think we know for fact one way or other. I have never heard they were from the computer. I, too, 'assumed' handwritten. [/*]

Weren't these notes sent off for handwriting analysis along with the note supposedly left by Maria?

JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't think we know for fact one way or other. I have never heard they were from the computer. I, too, 'assumed' handwritten. [/*]

Was it said that LE was sending them to a handwriting analysis or was that only the note found at DD's?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


I am not convinced she did not have a part in the note writing either.

You are right, IMO, about the penny/pound! [/*]

:beer: My sentiments too donna.

JMO

Answer incoming.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Morning all.

My 2 cents....IF I were Christina and innocent you would here me loud and clear lawyers or no lawyers. I would be screaming it for everyone and anyone to hear....but that is just me, I value my reputation more. But, I am not her. Nor would I want to be right now, knowing how folks are talking/thinking. Does make one think though as everyone has lawyered up including her parents who were so outspoken at first. IMOO
[/*]

How were her parents "so outspoken"? I think they were only on one show, right? If they spoke out more than that, I missed it.

As far as lawyers, I don't think it's uncommon nowadays at all to have a lawyer in any kind of circumstances even very remotely related to a crime. That's pretty much recommended and not at all unusual.

I think some would really be shouting it from the rooftops, I think she just simply has more to be concerned about than what other people are saying/thinking. Mainly her daughter and her shattered life as she once knew it.

Just IMO though.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
Candy can you do some housecleaning? [/*]

On my way.

[donna]

Originally posted by donna


I am not convinced she did not have a part in the note writing either.

You are right, IMO, about the penny/pound! [/*]

:( ....quoting my own post here - I do not think the notes were computer generated. And I think CAL signed them.

*just wanted to make my answer more clear!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bkwits


Was it said that LE was sending them to a handwriting analysis or was that only the note found at DD's? [/*]

IIRC, that was just the Durham note but I could be wrong.

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:beer: My sentiments too donna.

JMO

Answer incoming. [/*]

Thanks, CANDY!

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


whoa- from the computer and unsigned? I have never heard that before- are you sure? I had the impression they were handwritten....I don't know why!!! help me.....i'm melting..... [/*]

SHERIFF ED BROWN, ONSLOW COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA: (snip) …… That is not what I need. I need the first one I gave you, the update, updated copy of where we are at on the investigation.

(SNIP)

January the 11th, 2008, about 9:00 a.m., NCIS (INAUDIBLE) Paul Chicarelli (ph) called the sheriff, me, and reported that Laurean's wife had found a handwritten note in their home about 4:00 a.m. that morning. The note had been left by her husband, Cesar Laurean, giving information of Maria's death.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/14/cnr.02.html


The Sheriff's Department also has submitted the notes left by Laurean and a note witnesses say Lauterbach left her roommate Dec. 14 to the crime lab for handwriting verification to determine whether the notes are authentic.

http://www.enctoday.com/news/lab_54852_jdn__article.html/laurean_lauterbach.html

[bkwits]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


How were her parents "so outspoken"? I think they were only on one show, right? If they spoke out more than that, I missed it.

As far as lawyers, I don't think it's uncommon nowadays at all to have a lawyer in any kind of circumstances even very remotely related to a crime. That's pretty much recommended and not at all unusual.

I think some would really be shouting it from the rooftops, I think she just simply has more to be concerned about than what other people are saying/thinking. Mainly her daughter and her shattered life as she once knew it.

Just IMO though. [/*]


With what I know about the criminal justice system here in IL, I would certainly have a lawyer if I were Ctina, even if I were TOTALLY innocent.

As I have told you SS, I could go either way about Ctina, but I do not believe she did or participated in the actual murder. IMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


SHERIFF ED BROWN, ONSLOW COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA: (snip) …… That is not what I need. I need the first one I gave you, the update, updated copy of where we are at on the investigation.

(SNIP)

January the 11th, 2008, about 9:00 a.m., NCIS (INAUDIBLE) Paul Chicarelli (ph) called the sheriff, me, and reported that Laurean's wife had found a handwritten note in their home about 4:00 a.m. that morning. The note had been left by her husband, Cesar Laurean, giving information of Maria's death.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/14/cnr.02.html


The Sheriff's Department also has submitted the notes left by Laurean and a note witnesses say Lauterbach left her roommate Dec. 14 to the crime lab for handwriting verification to determine whether the notes are authentic.

http://www.enctoday.com/news/lab_54852_jdn__article.html/laurean_lauterbach.html [/*]


Aaahh, Lone Ranger Lynn to the rescue. HI YO Silver. Thanks :rose:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


JMO, but looking at the photo that was posted by nuttin showing the dining room view looking towards the door leading out to the garage, it appears that there is a 'utility room' large enough to have a washer/dryer there INside the house. It would appear that the vent seen jutting from the outside where Capt. Sutherland and Greta were standing in the backyard would line up where that room would be in the house. JMO [/*]

I agree w/ your assessment. Between the wall ending the dining room area and the door into the garage there appears to be some spacing that would fit a washer and dryer, one on each side.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bkwits



Aaahh, Lone Ranger Lynn to the rescue. HI YO Silver. Thanks :rose: [/*]

Yay!

So now we know they WERE handwritten, and IMO, LE probably has the answer by now: written by Laurean, not Christina.

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


whoa- from the computer and unsigned? I have never heard that before- are you sure? I had the impression they were handwritten....I don't know why!!! help me.....i'm melting..... [/*]

AB, no I've not seen it written it's what I think.

It seems more logical to me for people that age it would be typed and printed rather than written by hand. I also think what LE is looking for is not verification of sig but fingerprints of CL on the paper.

Sorry I can't help your melting other than what I originally said, if I THINK she typed it, he couldn't have signed it (he was gone by then?). She had to occupy her time doing something while she waited, why not that? And BTW, why not give a date (15th) her parents would think she was at work?

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


we don't know about "bloody mess", I think we kind of "went there"...but we DO know that neighbor Wanda saw them or saw Christina- and they were painting the inside of the house and XTina even told Wanda they were painting the house and going to paint the garage too....

there may be a reference to xtina in the notes, and the extent of her participation- "as told by Cesar" - but only LE knows that at this point and we can only speculate. jmo [/*]

Investigators found blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall of Laurean's home, Brown said.

"The blood patterns were even up into the ceiling," he said. "The blood splatters indicate a violent, violent attack."

Someone had tried to clean up the scene and even painted over some of the blood, Brown said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2292339/

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Jan Powell


AB, no I've not seen it written it's what I think.

It seems more logical to me for people that age it would be typed and printed rather than written by hand. I also think what LE is looking for is not verification of sig but fingerprints of CL on the paper.

Sorry I can't help your melting other than what I originally said, if I THINK she typed it, he couldn't have signed it (he was gone by then?). She had to occupy her time doing something while she waited, why not that? And BTW, why not give a date (15th) her parents would think she was at work? [/*]

Dec. 15th was a Saturday. Would she be at work on Sat.?

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits


Dec. 15th was a Saturday. Would she be at work on Sat.? [/*]

In the capacity she was filling at the time as a civilian admin person, most likely not.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


In the capacity she was filling at the time as a civilian admin person, most likely not. [/*]

Has it been confirmed she was a civilian or was she activated at the time or was she waiting for her augmentation papers to be approved still? Because at the Marine presser the Lt. Col. said her 1 year activation had just ended but he didn't specify a date because he said he didn't have her info with him. I'm just wondering when she was first activated...had to be late 2006/early 2007.

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


Has it been confirmed she was a civilian or was she activated at the time or was she waiting for her augmentation papers to be approved still? Because at the Marine presser the Lt. Col. said her 1 year activation had just ended but he didn't specify a date because he said he didn't have her info with him. I'm just wondering when she was first activated...had to be late 2006/early 2007. [/*]

A solid source has relayed that she was working in a civilian capacity in some admin office on Lejeune right before she officially augmentated.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Investigators found blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall of Laurean's home, Brown said.

"The blood patterns were even up into the ceiling," he said. "The blood splatters indicate a violent, violent attack."

Someone had tried to clean up the scene and even painted over some of the blood, Brown said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2292339/ [/*]

Wasn't this pretty much discounted (the massive amt. of blood) by that one guy who was interviewed on Greta's show? Anyone remember that? He was the one who said it would not be noticeable to the layperson?

[scillak]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Wasn't this pretty much discounted (the massive amt. of blood) by that one guy who was interviewed on Greta's show? Anyone remember that? He was the one who said it would not be noticeable to the layperson? [/*]

They were looking at the garage as it was after the clean-up. There were stains, but probably to any of us it wouldn't have jumped out as being blood. But, to the trained investigator - they would know it could be blood stains.

ETA: It was Sutherland and Greta.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Wasn't this pretty much discounted (the massive amt. of blood) by that one guy who was interviewed on Greta's show? Anyone remember that? He was the one who said it would not be noticeable to the layperson? [/*]

I got the impression from that show that the luminol showed where the blood was/had been, not that it was still visibly all over the wall and ceiling. In other words, a clean-up had been attempted but it did not remove all traces of the blood.

And yes, Captain Sutherland said a layperson probably wouldn't notice it.

JMO and IIRC

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


A solid source has relayed that she was working in a civilian capacity in some admin office on Lejeune right before she officially augmentated. [/*]

Ok, thanks. I just didn't know when her 1 year ended. So makes sense that she wouldn't be working on a Saturday. The only way I was going to say she would have worked on that Saturday 12/15 is if she had duty.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Thanks lynn!

how could anyone read this and think SHE DIDN'T KNOW??????

One month almost of not seeing ceiling/wall blood spatter- fresh, cleaned OR painted over- if LE saw it, don't you think XT did too?:eek: :eek: :eek:

edited to fix my typos... [/*]

Did LE see without Luminol?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


we don't know about "bloody mess", I think we kind of "went there"...but we DO know that neighbor Wanda saw them or saw Christina- and they were painting the inside of the house and XTina even told Wanda they were painting the house and going to paint the garage too....

there may be a reference to xtina in the notes, and the extent of her participation- "as told by Cesar" - but only LE knows that at this point and we can only speculate. jmo [/*]

I got 'bloody mess' from this report:

Brown has challenged Cesar Laurean's assertion that Lauterbach killed herself, citing what he described as evidence of a violent confrontation inside the Laurean home – blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall. Someone apparently tried to clean up the blood, even painting over some of it, he said.

Neighbor Wanda Alander said she noticed paint cans stacked on the porch of the Laurean home before Christmas.

"When I went over there, the living room was already painted. (Christina Laurean) mentioned that they were going to do some more stuff, like paint the bedrooms and the garage," Alander said.

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/2298230/?pda=1

I just find it incredible that Christina didn't know about the murder long before she handed over the notes to LE or that she wasn't involved in it herself.

[scillak]

Originally posted by bkwits


Did LE see without Luminol? [/*]

I believe so because R. Sutherland pointed to blood stains on the floor. Again, a layperson wouldn't have known it was blood, but the detectives must have known it could be and then used luminol. IMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


noooo. don't you ecver look up at your ceilings at home? I do, I know my ceiling fans need dusted....women look at places like that to see cobwebs, etc. With an 18 month old, I would be wiping the walls down occasionally, too.

Its beyond comprehension she didn't know. IMO

And ITA up-post... lack of her arrest does not indicate her innocence...alot of time has passed, yes, but this case is so weird- I have a feeling they are waiting to get Cesar to play their hand...
just IMO [/*]

IMO, they may never get Cesar, or it may be years before they do. He has probably started a new life and is safe and warm in Mexico, as much as it pains me to say this. :cuss:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


noooo. don't you ecver look up at your ceilings at home? I do, I know my ceiling fans need dusted....women look at places like that to see cobwebs, etc. With an 18 month old, I would be wiping the walls down occasionally, too.

Its beyond comprehension she didn't know. IMO

And ITA up-post... lack of her arrest does not indicate her innocence...alot of time has passed, yes, but this case is so weird- I have a feeling they are waiting to get Cesar to play their hand...
just IMO [/*]

I'm just remembering what the guy said on Greta (he was LE)...that's mainly what I'm talking about.

Yes, her lack of arrest does not mean she is necessarily innocent, but I think it pretty much points that way. Most disagree with me...that's perfectly okay with me. :D

[bkwits]

Originally posted by scillak


I believe so because R. Sutherland pointed to blood stains on the floor. Again, a layperson wouldn't have known it was blood, but the detectives must have known it could be and then used luminol. IMO [/*]

Thanks for that info. :)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego


*snipped*

I just find it incredible that Christina didn't know about the murder long before she handed over the notes to LE or that she wasn't involved in it herself. [/*]

Yo girl! Well, trust me, you fall into the VAST majority on this forum then. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Investigators found blood spatters on the ceiling and a massive amount of blood on the wall of Laurean's home, Brown said.

"The blood patterns were even up into the ceiling," he said. "The blood splatters indicate a violent, violent attack."

Someone had tried to clean up the scene and even painted over some of the blood, Brown said.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2292339/ [/*]

This is why I think CSL knew.....quote: "painted over SOME of the blood, Brown said."

So some of the blood was visible. While CS gave the old standard LE answer to represent that officials like in his department are the ones only that can identify blood on a wall...that is not true imo. I think the average layperson can identify something that appears to be blood and that is all detectives do. They find areas at crime scenes that "appears" to be blood and then it is verified one way or the other through forensics after then.

I don't care what it was if it was a vast amount of whatever.....I would notice it right away and if I didn't know how it got there the first thing I would have asked my husband is "WTH happened?"

I don't believe she was this blind and if her washer and dryer was in the garage area she would be in there often since they had a small child.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I can't answer this factually- sorry- i think luminol was used (imo) but i seem to recall (vaguely) discussion that yes, it was covered-up blood that was visible to the trained eye... , but I could seriously be wrong... [/*]

I remember that discussion too, Annie.

I also remember it was mentioned when the other shoe was found and LE had first luminoled the shoe and it didn't glow and that may have been one of the reasons they didn't take it.

I bet that garage glowed brightly when they tested it.

RIP Maria and Gabriel.

imoo

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by bkwits


Dec. 15th was a Saturday. Would she be at work on Sat.? [/*]

I don't know what the truth to that is. IIRC, her parents said she was at work and the note said the 15th. In my opinion that is what she may have told her parents (work) but it's not really when it happened because I think she was actively involved.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


SS, I admire your maturity when posting a minority opinion....
always respectful. :rose: [/*]

TY AnnieBean.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


This is why I think CSL knew.....quote: "painted over SOME of the blood, Brown said."

So some of the blood was visible. While CS gave the old standard LE answer to represent that officials like in his department are the ones only that can identify blood on a wall...that is not true imo. I think the average layperson can identify something that appears to be blood and that is all detectives do. They find areas at crime scenes that "appears" to be blood and then it is verified one way or the other through forensics after then.

I don't care what it was if it was a vast amount of whatever.....I would notice it right away and if I didn't know how it got there the first thing I would have asked my husband is "WTH happened?"

I don't believe she was this blind and if her washer and dryer was in the garage area she would be in there often since they had a small child.

imoo [/*]

Well, as I've said to Savannah, I go back and forth in my mind about Ctina's involvement. It's not the aftermath of the blood as much as it is the timeline that makes me sometimes think she knew more than she is telling.

It is amazing what a woman or man will believe when in love and/or married to a deceiver. I did business with a woman who was getting divorced from a man who had two other wives. She had been married to him for 20 years. He had been married to wife 2 for 7 years. I think it was wife 3, that did him in. They all lived in the same area. I don't know how he got away with this because he was a local dentist.
:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yo girl! Well, trust me, you fall into the VAST majority on this forum then. :seeya: [/*]Well you know me and you know I side with the truth and the presumption of innocence.

That being said - if the reports are accurate, then blood was on the walls and ceilings for 2 days before paint was purchased. How could Christina not notice blood on the walls and ceiling and garage floor?

I cannot think of any innocent explanation for that. :shrug:

[bkwits]

:seeya:

I'm off to the hospital to get a chest xray. It's just a check up to make sure my lungs are clear from the pneumonia. First time I have driven my car in 10 days or so.

Wish me luck.

[CANDYKISSES]

I just received a call back from People Magazine and they have no copies of that issue for sale. The only thing they could suggest was the library.

JMO.:patriot:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


SS, I admire your maturity when posting a minority opinion....
always respectful. :rose: [/*]SavannahStar is a class act :beer:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
I just received a call back from People Magazine and they have no copies of that issue for sale. The only thing they could suggest was the library.

JMO.:patriot: [/*]

The library.......of COURSE.....I borrow mags from my library all the time. Check it out, Candy.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bkwits
:seeya:

I'm off to the hospital to get a chest xray. It's just a check up to make sure my lungs are clear from the pneumonia. First time I have driven my car in 10 days or so.

Wish me luck. [/*]Good luck!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego
SavannahStar is a class act :beer: [/*]

Oh you!

*SMOOCHIES* :rose:

[henry]

Originally posted by bkwits
:seeya:

I'm off to the hospital to get a chest xray. It's just a check up to make sure my lungs are clear from the pneumonia. First time I have driven my car in 10 days or so.

Wish me luck. [/*]

no drag-racing please :rose: good luck!

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by alter ego
Well you know me and you know I side with the truth and the presumption of innocence.

That being said - if the reports are accurate, then blood was on the walls and ceilings for 2 days before paint was purchased. How could Christina not notice blood on the walls and ceiling and garage floor?

I cannot think of any innocent explanation for that. :shrug: [/*]

He washed it off with water. Very easy to do with fresh blood so it is not visible to the eye. imo

On the floor and some of the wall he covered it with boxes. imo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm just remembering what the guy said on Greta (he was LE)...that's mainly what I'm talking about.

Yes, her lack of arrest does not mean she is necessarily innocent, but I think it pretty much points that way. Most disagree with me...that's perfectly okay with me. :D [/*]Maybe she struck a deal and that's why she was not indicted :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego
Well you know me and you know I side with the truth and the presumption of innocence.

That being said - if the reports are accurate, then blood was on the walls and ceilings for 2 days before paint was purchased. How could Christina not notice blood on the walls and ceiling and garage floor?

I cannot think of any innocent explanation for that. :shrug: [/*]

A very good cleaning job? The blood stains were not as massive as reported? Old paint was used?

:shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


The library.......of COURSE.....I borrow mags from my library all the time. Check it out, Candy. [/*]

Since you do it all the time, I'll be here waiting for you lady. :cool:

JMO.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


He washed it off with water. Very easy to do with fresh blood so it is not visible to the eye. imo

On the floor and some of the wall he covered it with boxes. imo [/*]
I would agree with that except for this statement:

Brown said Friday that blood spatter evidence was found inside Laurean's home, even on a ceiling. There was evidence of "an attempted clean-up," including an attempt to paint over the blood spatter, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/12/missing.marine/

which leads me to believe that not all the blood was washed off, but painted over.

[Squawk Box]

A friend of mine is on his way to the library right now.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by alter ego

I would agree with that except for this statement:

Brown said Friday that blood spatter evidence was found inside Laurean's home, even on a ceiling. There was evidence of "an attempted clean-up," including an attempt to paint over the blood spatter, he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/12/missing.marine/

which leads me to believe that not all the blood was washed off, but painted over. [/*]

SB was an exaggerator. imo Even if true, it still may not have been visible to the untrained eye.
I believe he is talking about what LE saw after luminol. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by alter ego
SavannahStar is a class act :beer: [/*]

I wholeheartedly agree.

Savannah and I go way back. We have been on opposite sides of the coin in certain cases and we have been on the same side in others. What makes SS so special imo is she respects both sides no matter what her views may be and is always respectful to others.

If we don't agree on a case, I don't have to worry that she is carrying some immature grudge or scorecard against me when we meet again on another case. I enjoy debating with SS and I respect her highly.

imoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Since you do it all the time, I'll be here waiting for you lady. :cool:

JMO. [/*]

Problem is......I wasn't planning on going this week (have a couple great books I picked up already a couple days ago). AND......most importantly, I wasn't really following that questioning/argument/debate about what the uncle said (isn't that what it was about? I even forget.) Honestly some stuff discussed on here (no offense meant to anyone), I wonder "WHY? What does this have to do with anything? What is it going to prove?"

Whether or not Maria was or was not bi-polar isn't really earth-shatteringly important to me.

:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


A very good cleaning job? The blood stains were not as massive as reported? Old paint was used?

:shrug: [/*]
Old paint. Now there is something I had not thought of.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by alter ego
Maybe she struck a deal and that's why she was not indicted :shrug: [/*]

Well her worth goes up if they are not finding any forensics to specifically connect him to THE murder.

I just don't know how much they will find that can be pointed only toward him. If it is insignificant she becomes the Star witness not a key witness imo and that makes her ripe for a plea deal.

imo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Problem is......I wasn't planning on going this week (have a couple great books I picked up already a couple days ago). AND......most importantly, I wasn't really following that questioning/argument/debate about what the uncle said (isn't that what it was about? I even forget.) Honestly some stuff discussed on here (no offense meant to anyone), I wonder "WHY? What does this have to do with anything? What is it going to prove?"

Whether or not Maria was or was not bi-polar isn't really earth-shatteringly important to me.

:shrug: [/*]

I believe Sami and Daniel who said they read it. So, I don't have any issue with it. :shrug:

JMO.

I think it's a part of the story when you are putting it all together and may explain some of the behavior IMO and certainly why coupled with inconsistent statements it could have been a roadblock with the USMC not to mention the possibility of facing discharge. We just don't know.

I don't discount anyone's desire to know the full story and that about sums it up. :seeya:

[henry]

Originally posted by alter ego
Maybe she struck a deal and that's why she was not indicted :shrug: [/*]

ita - and maybe they're getting more info from her as a cooperating witness as opposed to an arrested person . . . & hopefully she's being more honest that what the affidavit says are her statements . . . jmo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well her worth goes up if they are not finding any forensics to specifically connect him to THE murder.

I just don't know how much they will find that can be pointed only toward him. If it is insignificant she becomes the Star witness not a key witness imo and that makes her ripe for a plea deal.

imo [/*]

I don't believe she is a witness to the murder or cover up at all. jmo

She can only tell LE what Cesar told her and how he acted on Dec 14 and after. jmo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by henry


thanks . . . we're taking the measurements from that . make believe you're standing in the garage heading out the back door to the back yard . . . the wall that's to your left with the brown patch has the door into the laundry room (and this wall (only about 6'-7-8' long) runs parallel to the length of the garage . . . oh, crap, it's too hard to type & a picture says a 1,000 words . . . [/*]
IN MY OPINION that is not an exhaust vent on the back side of the house, just right of the back garage entry. I think it to be an exterior electrical outlet, I also have one on my home.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2zdup3l.jpg

I think the 'jut' area in the garage photos is the wall from the kitchen area, and where the washer/dryer are located on the INSIDE of the house.
http://i32.tinypic.com/14y3fpw.jpg

OOPs, just noticed Lynn's better photo, and it does look like an exhaust fan to the right of the outlet...sorry!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I don't believe she is a witness to the murder or cover up at all. jmo

She can only tell LE what Cesar told her and how he acted on Dec 14 and after. jmo [/*]

But the thing is we don't know that at all. We have been given a snippet not what all they have discovered now. Imo that will be kept close to the vest and may heat up again when and if they get Laurean back for a trial.

imoo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


SB was an exaggerator. imo Even if true, it still may not have been visible to the untrained eye.
I believe he is talking about what LE saw after luminol. jmo [/*]Yes I believe you are correct, however, that does not mean Christina did not see the blood before it was painted over.

[henry]

Originally posted by IvySterling

IN MY OPINION that is not an exhaust vent on the back side of the house, just right of the back garage entry. I think it to be an exterior electrical outlet, I also have one on my home.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2zdup3l.jpg

I think the 'jut' area in the garage photos is the wall from the kitchen area, and where the washer/dryer are located on the INSIDE of the house.
http://i32.tinypic.com/14y3fpw.jpg [/*]

thanks . . . that's where i think it is also - just trying to get the washer/dryer straight & then worry about where the vent is later :)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

IN MY OPINION that is not an exhaust vent on the back side of the house, just right of the back garage entry. I think it to be an exterior electrical outlet, I also have one on my home.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2zdup3l.jpg

I think the 'jut' area in the garage photos is the wall from the kitchen area, and where the washer/dryer are located on the INSIDE of the house.
http://i32.tinypic.com/14y3fpw.jpg [/*]

Hi Ivy - I believe the dryer vent is behind Captain Sutherland in your first link. In the link provided upthread, you can see it to the right of the electrical outlet.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/tay972/dryervent.jpg

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


Well, as I've said to Savannah, I go back and forth in my mind about Ctina's involvement. It's not the aftermath of the blood as much as it is the timeline that makes me sometimes think she knew more than she is telling.

It is amazing what a woman or man will believe when in love and/or married to a deceiver. I did business with a woman who was getting divorced from a man who had two other wives. She had been married to him for 20 years. He had been married to wife 2 for 7 years. I think it was wife 3, that did him in. They all lived in the same area. I don't know how he got away with this because he was a local dentist.
:shrug: [/*]

What some women are willing to do for their man or because of their man makes me shudder.

Look at all these crappy mothers that just stand by their man :rolleyes: while he is cruelly beating and abusing the women's own children.

So Christina certainly wouldnt be the only one that was gonna stand by her man or as Loretta Lynn sings "no one is gonna take my man."

imo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Hi Ivy - I believe the dryer vent is behind Captain Sutherland in your first link. In the link provided upthread, you can see it to the right of the electrical outlet.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/tay972/dryervent.jpg [/*]
:) I noticed that in Lynn's photo, so edited my post..........thanks!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by henry


thanks . . . that's where i think it is also - just trying to get the washer/dryer straight & then worry about where the vent is later :) [/*]
All this now has me curious as to where my daughter's vent would be in her house :) Her washer/dryer are in her kitchen behind louvered doors, but not next to an exterior wall......hmm, will have to call her.

[gaelicpeas]

Nuttin - are you here? I can't find your photobucket album link in the links thread.

(or does anyone else have it handy?)

TIA

[Squawk Box]

Bad news. I just got a call from my friend. He went to an extension of the main county library.

They didn't have any People Magazines starting in January. They had forgotten to send in their subscription!!!!!

A librarian did call the main library and they had the issue. They said we would have to go there to see it. They won't mail out copies of anything. It is way to far to go in this traffic here. Who can afford the gas anyway?

Sorry.

[henry]

Originally posted by IvySterling

All this now has me curious as to where my daughter's vent would be in her house :) Her washer/dryer are in her kitchen behind louvered doors, but not next to an exterior wall......hmm, will have to call her. [/*]

hah! when we changed dryer location, i didn't want it blowing out on 1st floor - so contractor snaked it up to the 2nd floor . . . no one would be able to figure that one out looking at the outside of our home :)

edit: sbox - i'll go to our local library tomorrow . . . will let you know what i find out . . . or to dr.'s office to steal/borrow it!

edit edit - i'll be back later this evening

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

All this now has me curious as to where my daughter's vent would be in her house :) Her washer/dryer are in her kitchen behind louvered doors, but not next to an exterior wall......hmm, will have to call her. [/*]

Oh, I can answer that!

Back behind the dryer, there's a place where the vent hose on the dryer attaches to the vent hose of the house. The vent hose (on mine anyway) then goes under the crawl space and out to the side of the house where the vent cover is.



;)

She's safe as long as the hose is kept clean by cleaning the filter and occasionally brushing or vacuuming the lint filter on the dryer, and as long as the hose doesn't have a lot of "S" bends in it (mine has none).

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Oh, I can answer that!

Back behind the dryer, there's a place where the vent hose on the dryer attaches to the vent hose of the house. The vent hose (on mine anyway) then goes under the crawl space and out to the side of the house where the vent cover is.



;)

She's safe as long as the hose is kept clean by cleaning the filter and occasionally brushing or vacuuming the lint filter on the dryer, and as long as the hose doesn't have a lot of "S" bends in it (mine has none). [/*]


When I was going to add a room to the back of my garage, the contractor said I could just use a portable one like is used in condos. It is a large plastic box the vent hose goes in and catches the lint.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

IN MY OPINION that is not an exhaust vent on the back side of the house, just right of the back garage entry. I think it to be an exterior electrical outlet, I also have one on my home.
http://i31.tinypic.com/2zdup3l.jpg

I think the 'jut' area in the garage photos is the wall from the kitchen area, and where the washer/dryer are located on the INSIDE of the house.
http://i32.tinypic.com/14y3fpw.jpg

OOPs, just noticed Lynn's better photo, and it does look like an exhaust fan to the right of the outlet...sorry! [/*]

But even with the location of the vent where it is, doesn't necessarily mean the w/d is directly behind the exterior wall as shown in Lyn_T's picture. The vent is present but the w/d could actually be located elsewhere.

IMO, the w/d is located in the small room that is between the garage and the door which leads into the dining area of the house. (On the MLS listing prior to the CL's purchase, the listing said there was a room: 6X10 Laundry Room).

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Nuttin - are you here? I can't find your photobucket album link in the links thread.

(or does anyone else have it handy?)

TIA [/*]

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?special_track=nav_tab_album

I will go and put it over on the links thread.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


But even with the location of the vent where it is, doesn't necessarily mean the w/d is directly behind the exterior wall as shown in Lyn_T's picture. The vent is present but the w/d could actually be located elsewhere.

IMO, the w/d is located in the small room that is between the garage and the door which leads into the dining area of the house. (On the MLS listing prior to the CL's purchase, the listing said there was a room: 6X10 Laundry Room).

JMO [/*]
Thanks nuttin, back to the drawing board! I wonder why in the prior photos it never showed the kitchen area? Usually a buyer wants to see the kitchen :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

All this now has me curious as to where my daughter's vent would be in her house :) Her washer/dryer are in her kitchen behind louvered doors, but not next to an exterior wall......hmm, will have to call her. [/*]

DH and I have multiple duplexes that we rent out. The w/d area is located in the middle of each apartment so the dryer vent is located on each end of the building.

imo

[caejde]

I was just going back and reviewing nuttins pics again. And I have a question. On the Record of Deeds where it shows Maria's death here in Onslow County and it lists her parents. Why does it say Victor Lauterbach and Mary Steiner? Just curious why it wouldn't be Mary Lauterbach?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


What some women are willing to do for their man or because of their man makes me shudder.

Look at all these crappy mothers that just stand by their man :rolleyes: while he is cruelly beating and abusing the women's own children.

So Christina certainly wouldnt be the only one that was gonna stand by her man or as Loretta Lynn sings "no one is gonna take my man."

imo [/*]

Or Tammy Wynette's Stand By Your Man.

imo

[SavannahStar]

So tell me again why we are debating where the washer/dryer were located? Because if they were in the garage, then Christina must have gone into the garage and noticed stains?

Didn't we see in the one diagram (I forget who furnished it) that the w/d were on the back wall of the garage?

Forgive me if I'm lost on all this.....:D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde
I was just going back and reviewing nuttins pics again. And I have a question. On the Record of Deeds where it shows Maria's death here in Onslow County and it lists her parents. Why does it say Victor Lauterbach and Mary Steiner? Just curious why it wouldn't be Mary Lauterbach? [/*]

I'm not absolutely sure, but I think it's always listed as the mother's maiden name, like on a marriage license. Let me check on it and see what I can find out.

jmo

ETA: I just checked with RoD's and the mother's name is always listed on a DC with her maiden name, the same as it is on a marriage license.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?special_track=nav_tab_album

I will go and put it over on the links thread. [/*]

That Wanda on the porch looks a lot older than the "Wanda" with Menard on GVS show.

[caejde]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm not absolutely sure, but I think it's always listed as the mother's maiden name, like on a marriage license. Let me check on it and see what I can find out.

jmo [/*]

Ok, thanks.

For the record, I wasn't trying to indicate anything happening between Victor and Mary...just confused.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Squawk Box



When I was going to add a room to the back of my garage, the contractor said I could just use a portable one like is used in condos. It is a large plastic box the vent hose goes in and catches the lint. [/*]

I don't recommend those, lint is highly combustible. I've never had a contractor recommend one either. But it could be considered up to code where you live - they don't even sell them here.

If you did go that route, just be sure to keep it cleaned out at all times.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?special_track=nav_tab_album

I will go and put it over on the links thread. [/*]

Thanks!

[SavannahStar]

Great collection of pics, nuttin. Thanks.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Or Tammy Wynette's Stand By Your Man.

imo [/*]

:seeya: Hi, I'm back after a brief stop at Jamba Juice.

I wasn't thinking so much of just Stand by you Man. It's more like close your mind to the negative and believe what he says. I've just seen this so much. The S/O feels like a fool and is devastated when she or he has to finally face the truth. IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


That Wanda on the porch looks a lot older than the "Wanda" with Menard on GVS show. [/*]
Here's a 'purdy' one of Wanda :)
http://i31.tinypic.com/33aqpfn.jpg
And then in the front porch interview there they are, together again, both with arms folded :D
http://i27.tinypic.com/fncrhe.jpg

[caejde]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I don't recommend those, lint is highly combustible. I've never had a contractor recommend one either. But it could be considered up to code where you live - they don't even sell them here.

If you did go that route, just be sure to keep it cleaned out at all times. [/*]

When we moved into this apartment back in September, we were doing our move in inspection. In the laundry area, the electrical outlet for the dryer was busted and exposing the wires. My father in law said for us to call someone right away because it was a fire hazard. So the next day the realty lady we rent from came by and took a look at it. She asked "What's the problem? Are you afraid you'll drop something back there?" My husband politely explained that not all the lint goes out the dryer hose and that it was a fire hazard. So, she got it fixed. The part that sucks is our washer and dryer wouldn't fit in the little area so we had to rig our dryer to sit in the garage--which is not attached to the house....very very frustrating.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here's a 'purdy' one of Wanda :)
http://i31.tinypic.com/33aqpfn.jpg
And then in the front porch interview there they are, together again, both with arms folded :D
http://i27.tinypic.com/fncrhe.jpg [/*]
Adding another, better screen shot of Wanda in case someone sees her out shopping for new outfits:)
http://i28.tinypic.com/121ppxf.jpg

[gaelicpeas]

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_blckoragpink.jpg

In this picture from Nuttin's album, the door from the garage to the laundry room I THINK is between the brown painted cover-up patch and the water heater. (or at least it looks like a door to me)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_blckoragpink.jpg

In this picture from Nuttin's album, the door from the garage to the laundry room I THINK is between the brown painted cover-up patch and the water heater. (or at least it looks like a door to me) [/*]

And if it is, Christina would have stepped right onto the blood stains (what was left of them) on the floor every time she went to do laundry.

Right?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
So tell me again why we are debating where the washer/dryer were located? Because if they were in the garage, then Christina must have gone into the garage and noticed stains?

Didn't we see in the one diagram (I forget who furnished it) that the w/d were on the back wall of the garage?

Forgive me if I'm lost on all this.....:D [/*]

bump

Help. Cryme, I think you answered me.

[gaelicpeas]

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=MLSNC78499Cbybackdoor.jpg

I think you go through this door in the dining area and that takes you into the laundry room, with the W/D most likely on your left. Then directly in front of you is the door from the laundry room into the garage. If you think of the garage as a rectangle, looking from the front of the house, the laundry room is in the back left corner of the garage.

So, it is part of the garage proper, but has been sheetrocked so it is now a separate little room.

LOL - I don't know if that makes sense. Anyway, IMO, there is a door from the DR to the laundry room, and also a door (or at least doorway as I didn't see a physical door) from the laundry room to the garage.

IOW, CSL could do laundry without physically going into the garage, IMO.

All JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


And if it is, Christina would have stepped right onto the blood stains (what was left of them) on the floor every time she went to do laundry.

Right? [/*]

I don't think so... I believe the laundry room is a 6 x 10 room with a door on both ends - one into the dining room, one into the garage.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

This shows where the W/D is - although in this diagram, the laundry room has not been sheetrocked into a little room....

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=diagram.jpg

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
This shows where the W/D is - although in this diagram, the laundry room has not been sheetrocked into a little room....

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=diagram.jpg [/*]
Wouldn't it be great to have ALL the photos that were taken inside the home when the CSI team went in?

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
This shows where the W/D is - although in this diagram, the laundry room has not been sheetrocked into a little room....

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=diagram.jpg [/*]

The diagram is one I did and added w/d to the area as to where I thought it was based on and only on what we have seen and could attribute to it....ie the vent on the other side of the wall.

This is only my opinion and based on my own experience in the homes I have lived as to where my vent was in comparison to the w/d. I might be wrong and I might be right, but it is only my opinion. (Trying to piece together with what we have seen, known etc) I have not seen the MLS and it could very well be in a seperate room. :shrug: :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


The diagram is one I did and added w/d to the area as to where I thought it was based on and only on what we have seen and could attribute to it....ie the vent on the other side of the wall.

This is only my opinion and based on my own experience in the homes I have lived as to where my vent was in comparison to the w/d. I might be wrong and I might be right, but it is only my opinion. (Trying to piece together with what we have seen, known etc) I have not seen the MLS and it could very well be in a seperate room. :shrug: :shrug: [/*]

Yes, I realize you added the W/D but it makes perfect sense to me where you put it and certainly fits with all the pictures we have seen. It is just that now it is sheetrocked in as a little room in the back left corner of the garage, IMO.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Yes, I realize you added the W/D but it makes perfect sense to me where you put it and certainly fits with all the pictures we have seen. It is just that now it is sheetrocked in as a little room in the back left corner of the garage, IMO. [/*]

So in the picture that you linked

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=diagram.jpg

Are you coming out of the dining room into the garage, or would the door to the dining room be where the hot water heater is?

'Cause I see what you're saying, but if that picture was taken from the area of the door to the dining room out to the garage, and the area to the left is the door leading out into the back yard, and the sheetrocked area with the doorway (no door, just a doorway) is where the washer and dryer is, then she most definitely would have walked thru the garage to get to the laundry room.

ETA: Ooops, linked the wrong pic. Try this one:
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_blckoragpink.jpg

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=MLSNC78499Cbybackdoor.jpg

I think you go through this door in the dining area and that takes you into the laundry room, with the W/D most likely on your left. Then directly in front of you is the door from the laundry room into the garage. If you think of the garage as a rectangle, looking from the front of the house, the laundry room is in the back left corner of the garage.

So, it is part of the garage proper, but has been sheetrocked so it is now a separate little room.

LOL - I don't know if that makes sense. Anyway, IMO, there is a door from the DR to the laundry room, and also a door (or at least doorway as I didn't see a physical door) from the laundry room to the garage.

IOW, CSL could do laundry without physically going into the garage, IMO.

All JMO [/*]

:seeya: gpeas - that grey door, imo, is the one that leads directly into the garage . . . had the same problem with that one until you look at the hinges on the grey door. they're not on the dining room opening. it's kinda like an optical illusion the way the picture is taken straight on . . . it took about 5 pms with a couple of posters before we all agreed about this one!

edit: so you last statement, imo, is correct - she could do laundry without going into the garage - where the water heater is - but it looks like she threw a lot of things out that door into the garage . . . i would too if that was the area maria was murdered.

[henry]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So in the picture that you linked

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=diagram.jpg

Are you coming out of the dining room into the garage, or would the door to the dining room be where the hot water heater is?

'Cause I see what you're saying, but if that picture was taken from the area of the door to the dining room out to the garage, and the area to the left is the door leading out into the back yard, and the sheetrocked area with the doorway (no door, just a doorway) is where the washer and dryer is, then she most definitely would have walked thru the garage to get to the laundry room.

ETA: Ooops, linked the wrong pic. Try this one:
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=mcs_blckoragpink.jpg [/*]

if you draw a 6x10 (or approx - not sure of the size) box around the w/d in the floorplan of the garage - the total garage is 12 x 27 and the w/d is in the jut out (don't know how else to describe it) in the garage . . . so the garage has 5 major walls - excluding the garage door and it's tiny side walls . . . understand this :) hope so !!!!!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry


if you draw a 6x10 (or approx - not sure of the size) box around the w/d in the floorplan of the garage - the total garage is 12 x 27 and the w/d is in the jut out (don't know how else to describe it) in the garage . . . so the garage has 5 major walls - excluding the garage door and it's tiny side walls . . . understand this :) hope so !!!!! [/*]

But that floorplan that gp linked was only IvySterling's rendition of what the floorplan *should* look like. It is not an actual floor plan of the Laurean home.

She put the washer/dryer where she *thought* they would be. They could very well be on the other side of that wall. We don't know that, but if the sheetrocked area is enclosing the washer and dryer, that is not right off the dining room.

IMO

I'll be glad if mw5 can get us the actual layout.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I've said before I don't think anyone except crime board followers and those people who make comments on that (and other) sites are the only ones this concerns. I do not for a minute think LE is intent on showing US anything one way or the other. [/*]

Ain't that the truth.

Except for the handful of posters who are interested in this case, there just isn't any "public" clammoring for any info. And, even if they were, unless and until there is a trial, there is absolutely no earthly reason to show us a thing.

(SS--have you seen the indy flick, Waitress?)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


But that floorplan that gp linked was only IvySterling's rendition of what the floorplan *should* look like. It is not an actual floor plan of the Laurean home.

She put the washer/dryer where she *thought* they would be. They could very well be on the other side of that wall. We don't know that, but if the sheetrocked area is enclosing the washer and dryer, that is not right off the dining room.

IMO

I'll be glad if mw5 can get us the actual layout. [/*]
Huh? I linked no diagram of the house other than weeks ago from the property record.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Huh? I attached no diagram of the house other than weeks ago from the property record. [/*]

I must have misunderstood. I thought you put the washer and dryer there. Sorry!

:D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I must have misunderstood. I thought you put the washer and dryer there. Sorry!

:D [/*]
NP :)

[Squawk Box]

Why have a wall around the washer and dryer and block off the only exit from the house to the garage? Poor use of space. imo

[daniel green]

I am totally and completely confused and lost re the jut, the garage, what we're looking for. :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

LOL! Well, I still think the grey door in the dining area leads to the laundry room, which is a sheetrocked little room in the garage - exactly where Lyn put W/D. And I think that door to the left of the water heater leads into the laundry room also on the other end of the room.

JMO and I'm stickin' to it! :D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

NP :) [/*]

Went back and checked, it was Lyn_T:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lyn_T
The diagram is one I did and added w/d to the area as to where I thought it was based on and only on what we have seen and could attribute to it....ie the vent on the other side of the wall.

This is only my opinion and based on my own experience in the homes I have lived as to where my vent was in comparison to the w/d. I might be wrong and I might be right, but it is only my opinion. (Trying to piece together with what we have seen, known etc) I have not seen the MLS and it could very well be in a seperate room.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
LOL! Well, I still think the grey door in the dining area leads to the laundry room, which is a sheetrocked little room in the garage - exactly where Lyn put W/D. And I think that door to the left of the water heater leads into the laundry room also on the other end of the room.

JMO and I'm stickin' to it! :D [/*]

Do you think they sheetrocked in the walls and had a second door to the garage by going through the laundry room?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


But that floorplan that gp linked was only IvySterling's rendition of what the floorplan *should* look like. It is not an actual floor plan of the Laurean home.

She put the washer/dryer where she *thought* they would be. They could very well be on the other side of that wall. We don't know that, but if the sheetrocked area is enclosing the washer and dryer, that is not right off the dining room.

IMO

I'll be glad if mw5 can get us the actual layout. [/*]

It wasn't Ivy...here is the layout per the GIS at the Onslow County Tax Office and this was posted by Lyn_T:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/diagram.jpg

ETA: Lyn put the markings of W/D, colorings for doors/windows, patio that is no longer there.

But if somebody wants the link to the actual GIS layout, I have that too.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
LOL! Well, I still think the grey door in the dining area leads to the laundry room, which is a sheetrocked little room in the garage - exactly where Lyn put W/D. And I think that door to the left of the water heater leads into the laundry room also on the other end of the room.

JMO and I'm stickin' to it! :D [/*]

And I think the grey door in the dining room leads directly into the garage and from that door, to your left is the back door that leads to the back yard, and if you walk straight, past the back door, you get to the sheetrocked area on the left back side and that's where the washer and dryer are. I think the water heater is on the same side as the window (that was open the last time anyone rode by there).

That would make it (the sheetrocked area) 10 ft wide, giving 2 feet (by 6 ft) as a little walkway out the back door and IIRC, that's where they believe Maria was murdered or where the greatest amount of pooled blood was found.

And THAT'S my story (IMO) and I'm stickin' to it!






:D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


Do you think they sheetrocked in the walls and had a second door to the garage by going through the laundry room? [/*]

Yes I do.

[IvySterling]

I really don't know how we can get a factual layout of the interior of the home unless the original plans are in some files somewhere.

What can mw5 learn without actually being able to go inside :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


And I think the grey door in the dining room leads directly into the garage and from that door, to your left is the back door that leads to the back yard, and if you walk straight, past the back door, you get to the sheetrocked area on the left back side and that's where the washer and dryer are. I think the water heater is on the same side as the window (that was open the last time anyone rode by there).

That would make it (the sheetrocked area) 10 ft wide, giving 2 feet (by 6 ft) as a little walkway out the back door and IIRC, that's where they believe Maria was murdered or where the greatest amount of pooled blood was found.

And THAT'S my story (IMO) and I'm stickin' to it!

:D [/*]

But the sheetrocked room (the jut out as Henry calls it) is in the back LEFT corner (if you are facing the garage from the front of the house) - LOL, JMO.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


But the sheetrocked room (the jut out as Henry calls it) is in the back LEFT corner (if you are facing the garage from the front of the house) - LOL, JMO. [/*]
I also called it "Jut" which describes it perfectly.

~to stick out, or make something stick out, especially beyond the surface or edge of something.

~Projecting part: something that sticks out

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I also called it "Jut" which describes it perfectly.

~to stick out, or make something stick out, especially beyond the surface or edge of something.

~Projecting part: something that sticks out [/*]

Yes, I agree.

[strick10]

Originally posted by daniel green
I am totally and completely confused and lost re the jut, the garage, what we're looking for. :confused: [/*]

I believe, if I'm not mistaken, they're trying to figure out where the washer/dryer are/were located. I suppose to see if CSL went into the garage to do laundry.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green
I am totally and completely confused and lost re the jut, the garage, what we're looking for. :confused: [/*]

Hey, I already said that!

Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage, assuming she was the one who did the laundry, and further therefore she HAD to have seen huge blood stains on the floor, and more therefore she is GUILTY!

At least that's what I've got figured out. No one is giving a direct answer.

I think it's much ado about nothing. But.....something to discuss when there is no "news." :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


Ain't that the truth.

Except for the handful of posters who are interested in this case, there just isn't any "public" clammoring for any info. And, even if they were, unless and until there is a trial, there is absolutely no earthly reason to show us a thing.

(SS--have you seen the indy flick, Waitress?) [/*]

#1, yep.

#2. nope.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Hey, I already said that!

Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage, assuming she was the one who did the laundry, and further therefore she HAD to have seen huge blood stains on the floor, and more therefore she is GUILTY!

At least that's what I've got figured out. No one is giving a direct answer.

I think it's much ado about nothing. But.....something to discuss when there is no "news." :shrug: [/*]

Okay, if you or anyone else doesn't want to discuss the w/d location, Christina's knowing or not knowing, then suggest another topic to discuss. :D

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Hey, I already said that!

Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage, assuming she was the one who did the laundry, and further therefore she HAD to have seen huge blood stains on the floor, and more therefore she is GUILTY!

At least that's what I've got figured out. No one is giving a direct answer.

I think it's much ado about nothing. But.....something to discuss when there is no "news." :shrug: [/*]

I'm finally caught up on today's thread and feel kind of let down...and confused about all of the discussion re the washer and dryer. Even if we know where they were located, it still doesn't answer the question of whether or not CSL was able to see the blood in the garage, does it? Holy Moses, I am bewildered...:confused:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Hey, I already said that!

Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage, assuming she was the one who did the laundry, and further therefore she HAD to have seen huge blood stains on the floor, and more therefore she is GUILTY!

At least that's what I've got figured out. No one is giving a direct answer.

I think it's much ado about nothing. But.....something to discuss when there is no "news." :shrug: [/*]

Well. No wonder I was lost.

I still don't know how we are gonna prove that the w/d was going to be in there. I somehow thought we had the actual pictures of the w/d in there or some floor plan.

I did, though, finally see the infant car seat and it is grimy. But, then again, that is the one for the first year only or up to 25 lbs, so they probably hadn't used that in a while.

Let me weigh in, though, by saying that houses that size in NC usually do have the w/d in the garage.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm finally caught up on today's thread and feel kind of let down...and confused about all of the discussion re the washer and dryer. Even if we know where they were located, it still doesn't answer the question of whether or not CSL was able to see the blood in the garage, does it? Holy Moses, I am bewildered...:confused: [/*]

Hi Marcia,

Nice to see you here. :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Okay, if you or anyone else doesn't want to discuss the w/d location, Christina's knowing or not knowing, then suggest another topic to discuss. :D [/*]

Nuttin, I don't really think it's all that important, but far be it from me to stop a discussion. That's great if someone thinks it does prove something....I'm just a little disappointed that no one really answered my first query about it, except in an indirect way. Hey, go for it, if that's what posters want to discuss. I don't think where the w/d were located proves anything BARD one way or the other, the stain didn't look that big, and etc., I could add more about that, but that's me. I don't really have another topic to suggest. I'll just go with the flow. :)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


#1, yep.

#2. nope. [/*]


I am always puzzled by the idea that the "public" wants/needs information all of which is pretty private info unless it goes to trial.

2. It is quirky, Waitress, but a light movie, fun to watch and really cute.

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Yes I do. [/*]

I think you're right. I think there was next to no chance Christina saw anything. I don't think she ever went into the other part of the garage.

That's what I think and I'm sticking to it.:D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm finally caught up on today's thread and feel kind of let down...and confused about all of the discussion re the washer and dryer. Even if we know where they were located, it still doesn't answer the question of whether or not CSL was able to see the blood in the garage, does it? Holy Moses, I am bewildered...:confused: [/*]

Whew. I thought I was the crazy one. :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Hey, I already said that!

Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage, assuming she was the one who did the laundry, and further therefore she HAD to have seen huge blood stains on the floor, and more therefore she is GUILTY!

At least that's what I've got figured out. No one is giving a direct answer.

I think it's much ado about nothing. But.....something to discuss when there is no "news." :shrug: [/*]

I agree that people are trying to see if CSL had to go through the murder spot when she was doing laundry. IMO, she did not have to go through it.