Monday 3-31-08 Lauterbach Daily Discussion

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by bkwits


Hi Marcia,

Nice to see you here. :seeya: [/*]

Good to see you, too! :seeya:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Whew. I thought I was the crazy one. :D [/*]

Naw, guess I'm crazy right along with cha. :biggrin:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Nuttin, I don't really think it's all that important, but far be it from me to stop a discussion. That's great if someone thinks it does prove something....I'm just a little disappointed that no one really answered my first query about it, except in an indirect way. Hey, go for it, if that's what posters want to discuss. I don't think where the w/d were located proves anything BARD one way or the other, the stain didn't look that big, and etc., I could add more about that, but that's me. I don't really have another topic to suggest. I'll just go with the flow. :) [/*]

I wonder how noticeable the stain was. My DH used to bleed a lot from any small cut or scratch. I'm not sure I would have noticed small stains on the garage floor, but I did notice in the house. JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


No, take the message board analogy out and think of it this way: this happens in your town and you think shes not guilty. everyones talking about it. snipped. [/*]

I've had the bad luck of living in towns where a few big trials took place--of well-known locals. Trials that were played on CTV, etc.

Of course there was local talk of did he, didn't he, did she, didn't she, interspersed with hot gossip about the principals, the lawyers, cops, DA's and judges.

But that dies down and doesn't mean much in the long run, either way.

And there's never been any real "closure" in the sense that one gets all the details, even after a trial.

I still don't know if the cops think that Michael Peterson's son helped him clean up--despite talking to the DA, an investigator AND the judge since the trial.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits


I wonder how noticeable the stain was. My DH used to bleed a lot from any small cut or scratch. I'm not sure I would have noticed small stains on the garage floor, but I did notice in the house. JMO [/*]

Head wounds bleed profusely.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Nuttin, I don't really think it's all that important, but far be it from me to stop a discussion. That's great if someone thinks it does prove something....I'm just a little disappointed that no one really answered my first query about it, except in an indirect way. Hey, go for it, if that's what posters want to discuss. I don't think where the w/d were located proves anything BARD one way or the other, the stain didn't look that big, and etc., I could add more about that, but that's me. I don't really have another topic to suggest. I'll just go with the flow. :) [/*]

Savannah - I didn't answer your earlier post because Cryme asked me if I thought CSL had to walk through the murder spot to do the laundry and I said I didn't think so - so I thought it was clear what we were talking about. My apologies.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green



I am always puzzled by the idea that the "public" wants/needs information all of which is pretty private info unless it goes to trial.

2. It is quirky, Waitress, but a light movie, fun to watch and really cute. [/*]

And it's not only from LE, but "principals" in the case....like 'WHY doesn't CSL come out and beg CL to turn himself in?'......'WHY don't we hear from CL's parents? Why are they so silent?' and yada yada. Sheesh these people have tragic/stressful lives and hardly think about what the public wants to hear from them. Oh and 'WHY don't we see a pic of Christina?'...that's my favorite. I think seeing a pic of Christina Laurean is high on the "want" list of about 110 people in this world, and all of those on crime message boards. But you would think it was right up there with wanting the war in Iraq to end, the way some rant about it.

NO OFFENSE to anyone on here!!!!! :rose: I just don't see it happening.....or a NEED for it. Except for curiosity. :shrug:

[bkwits]

I am leaning more towards Ctina not knowing and not wanting to know. I may lean the other way tomorrow, though. :shrug:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by Squawk Box


I think you're right. I think there was next to no chance Christina saw anything. I don't think she ever went into the other part of the garage.

That's what I think and I'm sticking to it.:D [/*]

It's a mighty small garage.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Savannah - I didn't answer your earlier post because Cryme asked me if I thought CSL had to walk through the murder spot to do the laundry and I said I didn't think so - so I thought it was clear what we were talking about. My apologies. [/*]

Not a problem, gp. I did eventually pick up on it. :)

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Savannah - I didn't answer your earlier post because Cryme asked me if I thought CSL had to walk through the murder spot to do the laundry and I said I didn't think so - so I thought it was clear what we were talking about. My apologies. [/*]

gpeas you've got mail

[bkwits]

Originally posted by daniel green


Head wounds bleed profusely. [/*]

Of course, but if there was a very large bloodstain, wouldn't CAL have cleaned it or hidden it?

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by bkwits


I wonder how noticeable the stain was. My DH used to bleed a lot from any small cut or scratch. I'm not sure I would have noticed small stains on the garage floor, but I did notice in the house. JMO [/*]

I'm still thinking that CSL may not have kept a tidy home. I know I would notice stains on the wall or floor if they were out in plain sight, but when I was doing a little spring cleaning last week, I moved a chair in the kitchen. The wall behind it was splattered from where my dogs have come in when it's wet/snowy outside and shook themselves. The stuff looked like dried mud in very small quantities and it cleaned up with a damp paper towel. But I have no idea how long it's been like that and I am a fussy britches when it comes to a clean house.

I'm not criticizing CSL's housekeeping, everybody is different, and I don't have a small child to take care of, and a husband to contend with, and meals to fix etc. for them. If the blood stains were out in plain sight in their home, maybe she just didn't notice them. My oldest DD can walk past the biggest mess and not see a thing, so I know it's possible to miss what most of us would see immediately.

JMO of course.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by bkwits


I wonder how noticeable the stain was. My DH used to bleed a lot from any small cut or scratch. I'm not sure I would have noticed small stains on the garage floor, but I did notice in the house. JMO [/*]

This shows the stain on the floor - although we don't know whether there was a bunch of stuff piled on top of it that was moved by LE.

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=plasticbags.jpg

In the Greta interview at the house, Captain Sutherland and Greta were looking at some specks of what Greta thought was blood on the wall.

JMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


And it's not only from LE, but "principals" in the case....like 'WHY doesn't CSL come out and beg CL to turn himself in?'......'WHY don't we hear from CL's parents? Why are they so silent?' and yada yada. Sheesh these people have tragic/stressful lives and hardly think about what the public wants to hear from them. Oh and 'WHY don't we see a pic of Christina?'...that's my favorite. I think seeing a pic of Christina Laurean is high on the "want" list of about 110 people in this world, and all of those on crime message boards. But you would think it was right up there with wanting the war in Iraq to end, the way some rant about it.

NO OFFENSE to anyone on here!!!!! :rose: I just don't see it happening.....or a NEED for it. Except for curiosity. :shrug: [/*]

I so completely and thoroughly agree. Why would CL's parents say a damn word???? To what purpose? Why don't his friends and families speak up? Well, right off the top of my head, because they don't want to.

Not everyone wants to put their business on the street. Not everyone feels the need to get on TV and cry for her son to turn himself in :rolleyes: , if that, indeed, ever happens.

The pic of Mrs L is a mystery to me. What would it show? I mean, folks have seen a basic outline. What would the features show?

Other than in the cesspool shows like NG and Geraldo (double BLECH), these stories just don't exist past a day or two.

You think any national show of any credence is going to spend a minute on this at a time when we have had 4,000 men and women die in Iraq, we have this highly contested election, the economy is in the toilet and the mortgage crisis is, well, a crisis?

[Squawk Box]

:beer:

[marinewife5]

I cannot speak for the board, but I wanted to see a picture of christina to compare to maria. we had discussed weeks ago whether or not it could have been christina buying the bus ticket in maria's name for the sake of cover up/kidnapping. jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits


Of course, but if there was a very large bloodstain, wouldn't CAL have cleaned it or hidden it? [/*]

It says in the ME Report of Investigation that there were attempts at cleaning and painting over it.

[strick10]

Originally posted by bkwits


I wonder how noticeable the stain was. My DH used to bleed a lot from any small cut or scratch. I'm not sure I would have noticed small stains on the garage floor, but I did notice in the house. JMO [/*]

Wonder if someone used some of that Minute Maid punch, at least I think it's punch in the container in the car seat, on the floor when he couldn't clean it so that there were no stains. Maybe poured some of that punch over the area to have an excuse for the stains.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I cannot speak for the board, but I wanted to see a picture of christina to compare to maria. we had discussed weeks ago whether or not it could have been christina buying the bus ticket in maria's name for the sake of cover up/kidnapping. jmo [/*]

That's the only reason that makes sense.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


This shows the stain on the floor - although we don't know whether there was a bunch of stuff piled on top of it that was moved by LE.

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=plasticbags.jpg

In the Greta interview at the house, Captain Sutherland and Greta were looking at some specks of what Greta thought was blood on the wall.

JMO [/*]

Wow, that is huge. I wonder if that area was luminoled. It looks like someone washed it. There must have been tons of blood there. IMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder if someone used some of that Minute Maid punch, at least I think it's punch in the container in the car seat, on the floor when he couldn't clean it so that there were no stains. Maybe poured some of that punch over the area to have an excuse for the stains. [/*]

Very good point. In my new frame of mind, I think Ctina would have jumped at the chance to believe anything. IMO Who could imagine that their spouse would murder someone in their home.?

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by daniel green


That's the only reason that makes sense. [/*]

I agree, and I respect mw for saying that.

What little we have seen of Christina though.....she has dark hair and Maria's was blonde.

The bus station guy DID say he sold the ticket to Maria. And some are second guessing him, because of the time lapse since the ticket was sold. But gosh, it IS what he believes.....

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder if someone used some of that Minute Maid punch, at least I think it's punch in the container in the car seat, on the floor when he couldn't clean it so that there were no stains. Maybe poured some of that punch over the area to have an excuse for the stains. [/*]

That would have been a sticky mess wouldn't it? And ants, even in the winter time.

:shrug:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5
I cannot speak for the board, but I wanted to see a picture of christina to compare to maria. we had discussed weeks ago whether or not it could have been christina buying the bus ticket in maria's name for the sake of cover up/kidnapping. jmo [/*]

I told my DD a little about the case I'm following and the first thing she asked was does the wife look like Maria.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by bkwits


Very good point. In my new frame of mind, I think Ctina would have jumped at the chance to believe anything. IMO Who could imagine that their spouse would murder someone in their home.? [/*]

Well BINGO there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by bkwits


Very good point. In my new frame of mind, I think Ctina would have jumped at the chance to believe anything. IMO Who could imagine that their spouse would murder someone in their home.? [/*]

It's outside of my scope, I can tell you that, and my ex was not a peace-loving kind of guy...:D

I still would have had difficulty wrapping my head around the concept that he had murdered someone in our house/garage and buried them in our back yard.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


That would have been a sticky mess wouldn't it? And ants, even in the winter time.

:shrug: [/*]

that had to have driven that poor little dog crazy!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits


Very good point. In my new frame of mind, I think Ctina would have jumped at the chance to believe anything. IMO Who could imagine that their spouse would murder someone in their home.? [/*]

But if she's never seen any any stains ever, then what's the purpose of pouring something there for her to notice and ask about?

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


That would have been a sticky mess wouldn't it? And ants, even in the winter time.

:shrug: [/*]

I don't think whomever was cleaning the area cared about a sticky mess. I know if I were trying to clean a porous concrete floor, doesn't look like it was sealed with a proof sealant, from a large amount of blood and it wouldn't all come up and my hubby was probably going to get home soon I'd find something to pour over the area to conceal the stain and blame it on clumsiness.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by marinewife5


that had to have driven that poor little dog crazy! [/*]

I know, so much so that he tied himself in the front yard to get away from it. Nobody ever noticed that's where he was. Not Cesar, not the little girl, and not even Christina.

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't think whomever was cleaning the area cared about a sticky mess. I know if I were trying to clean a porous concrete floor, doesn't look like it was sealed with a proof sealant, from a large amount of blood and it wouldn't all come up and my hubby was probably going to get home soon I'd find something to pour over the area to conceal the stain and blame it on clumsiness. [/*]

Somehow I always pegged you for having a higher IQ than that, but......

:D

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


But if she's never seen any any stains ever, then what's the purpose of pouring something there for her to notice and ask about? [/*]

Just saying as it was such a large stain she probably would've questioned the red/black stain if she'd seen it. The rest of the garage is messy but I don't notice any heavy staining that may have allowed for the blood stain to blend in w/ the other stains. Just thinking is all.

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Somehow I always pegged you for having a higher IQ than that, but......

:D [/*]

Hey, , that's not nice.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Hey, , that's not nice. [/*]

You know I'm just funnin' with you! (At least I hope you do?)

;)

[alter ego]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I agree, and I respect mw for saying that.

What little we have seen of Christina though.....she has dark hair and Maria's was blonde.

The bus station guy DID say he sold the ticket to Maria. And some are second guessing him, because of the time lapse since the ticket was sold. But gosh, it IS what he believes..... [/*]And some eye witnesses believe they saw Maria's car parked by the bus station from the 14th on, yet LE says they know the car was not there the whole time....

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You know I'm just funnin' with you! (At least I hope you do?)

;) [/*]

Almost felt like taking my lap top and going to my room! I know you were just kidding.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


But if she's never seen any any stains ever, then what's the purpose of pouring something there for her to notice and ask about? [/*]

I don't quite understand the question. I don't know when he might have done this (it was another poster's idea). I don't know that she never noticed any stains. She may have and he explained them. Earlier in this thread, it was posted that LLE said there were blood stains noticeable to the trained eye, but not to an average person. (paraphrase) IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by bkwits


Of course, but if there was a very large bloodstain, wouldn't CAL have cleaned it or hidden it? [/*]According to LE there was an attempt to clean up the blood. The question in my mind is how much cleaning and painting over blood did Christina participate in?

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I agree, and I respect mw for saying that.

What little we have seen of Christina though.....she has dark hair and Maria's was blonde.

The bus station guy DID say he sold the ticket to Maria. And some are second guessing him, because of the time lapse since the ticket was sold. But gosh, it IS what he believes..... [/*]
but you got to admit the time frame is pretty tight for it to be Maria... 4:20 ATM and 5 pm bus terminal and 8 months pregnant and on bed rest...

[IvySterling]

~snip
Originally posted by SavannahStar
Seriously though. We're looking for the layout of the garage to prove that the washer/dryer were in the garage and that therefore Christina would have to go out in the garage [/*]
My idea of how the garage may be, don't laugh too loud :D

http://i27.tinypic.com/fleblu.jpg

[gaelicpeas]

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=calcsl1.jpg

In this pic of CSL, her hair is blonde - it does look a little darker on top, but the part you can see well is pretty blonde - the part next to CL's shirt.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits


I don't quite understand the question. I don't know when he might have done this (it was another poster's idea). I don't know that she never noticed any stains. She may have and he explained them. Earlier in this thread, it was posted that LLE said there were blood stains noticeable to the trained eye, but not to an average person. (paraphrase) IMO [/*]

Understood. I just don't think Cesar thought of pouring punch onto the floor to disguise whatever blood he couldn't clean. I do think he (or whoever) moved the bins around though.

[scillak]

Originally posted by bkwits


Wow, that is huge. I wonder if that area was luminoled. It looks like someone washed it. There must have been tons of blood there. IMO [/*]

It really is huge. When I looked at the photo before, I really just noticed the individual spots and it didn't look like a lot of blood to me, although I knew LE was right. But, when I look at the whole area, now I see - it's huge and blood must have pooled around the storage bin to leave that outline. Wow.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snip

My idea of how the garage may be, don't laugh too loud :D

http://i27.tinypic.com/fleblu.jpg [/*]

Possible... or the laundry room might be rotated 90 degrees...

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snip

My idea of how the garage may be, don't laugh too loud :D

http://i27.tinypic.com/fleblu.jpg [/*]

Very good! And that makes sense considering where the dryer vent is.

Now move to the head of drafting class!

:D

[bkwits]

Originally posted by scillak


It really is huge. When I looked at the photo before, I really just noticed the individual spots and it didn't look like a lot of blood to me, although I knew LE was right. But, when I look at the whole area, now I see - it's huge and blood must have pooled around the storage bin to leave that outline. Wow. [/*]

Yes, I agree. I noticed the pooling.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


I don't quite understand the question. I don't know when he might have done this (it was another poster's idea). I don't know that she never noticed any stains. She may have and he explained them. Earlier in this thread, it was posted that LLE said there were blood stains noticeable to the trained eye, but not to an average person. (paraphrase) IMO [/*]

I thought CS said "they MAY not be noticable".........which is LE lingo. I think anyone can recognize what appears to be blood. That is all they do really .......visually look at it then forensically test it to see.

If we can see the staining area then I don't think we would have a problem at all seeing blood that may have been there before the attempted cleanup or saw it shortly thereafter when clean up attempt was made.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Very good! And that makes sense considering where the dryer vent is.

Now move to the head of drafting class!

:D [/*]
I'm laughing so hard, did that silly thing on Word using index boxes :D

[nuttintodo]

I guess CAL skipped housecleaning class the day the students were told one has to pick up items on the floor to completely clean around them. And to let everything dry before putting them back...

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I thought CS said "they MAY not be noticable".........which is LE lingo. I think anyone can recognize what appears to be blood. That is all they do really .......visually look at it then forensically test it to see.

If we can see the staining area then I don't think we would have a problem at all seeing blood that may have been there before the attempted cleanup or saw it shortly thereafter when clean up attempt was made.

imoo [/*]
Yes GB, RS did say that to the untrained eye it may not be noticeable (phara) He said in the video his wife may not have noticed it IIRC.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I thought CS said "they MAY not be noticable".........which is LE lingo. I think anyone can recognize what appears to be blood. That is all they do really .......visually look at it then forensically test it to see.

If we can see the staining area then I don't think we would have a problem at all seeing blood that may have been there before the attempted cleanup or saw it shortly thereafter when clean up attempt was made.

imoo [/*]'

You are probably right. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yes GB, RS did say that to the untrained eye it may not be noticeable (phara) He said in the video his wife may not have noticed it IIRC. [/*]

LOL I really think CS was stressing he was an expert in the field and not his wife. lol J/K

But as far as seeing the spatters I don't think just LE only could recognize them. Imo, blood is very recognizable. I think anyone who has been a parent or a child or has had mishaps through life from cuts knows when they see blood drops or spatters.

I always tell my hubby that nothing can ever happen to him because if they came in and luminoled our house his DNA would make the place light up like a laser show and I would be headed for the slammer for good.:tongue:

imoo

[strick10]

Have a great one y'all. Got work to do before I go to work tomorrow. :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


LOL I really think CS was stressing he was an expert in the field and not his wife. lol J/K

But as far as seeing the spatters I don't think just LE only could recognize them. Imo, blood is very recognizable. I think anyone who has been a parent or a child or has had mishaps through life from cuts knows when they see blood drops or spatters.

I always tell my hubby that nothing can ever happen to him because if they came in and luminoled our house his DNA would make the place light up like a laser show and I would be headed for the slammer for good.:tongue:

imoo [/*]

Same here Ocean...plus add in that my DH eats Goody's like they were candy so anytime he gets nicked, he bleeds and bleeds and bleeds some more.

:seeya:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by strick10
Have a great one y'all. Got work to do before I go to work tomorrow. :seeya: [/*]

:seeya: Nite Strick. Don't work too hard.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=calcsl1.jpg

In this pic of CSL, her hair is blonde - it does look a little darker on top, but the part you can see well is pretty blonde - the part next to CL's shirt. [/*]

Yes, I do see it there, gp.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling
~snip

My idea of how the garage may be, don't laugh too loud :D

http://i27.tinypic.com/fleblu.jpg [/*]

Ok, please be kind. I haven't been on line much today and I am tired to boot so maybe I am just getting befuddled.

When we have seen the photos of the home.......looking at the front of the home the garage is to the right and living quarters is to the left.

Is that not right?

So in your very good diagram of the home the w/d and garage is on the left and not the right? LOL

I AM confused. Sorry. Don't tell me to go to bed and get some rest. Way too early just yet. lol

imoo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by scillak


It really is huge. When I looked at the photo before, I really just noticed the individual spots and it didn't look like a lot of blood to me, although I knew LE was right. But, when I look at the whole area, now I see - it's huge and blood must have pooled around the storage bin to leave that outline. Wow. [/*]

Huge? I am just not seeing that.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Same here Ocean...plus add in that my DH eats Goody's like they were candy so anytime he gets nicked, he bleeds and bleeds and bleeds some more.

:seeya: [/*]

Hi Nuttin!

Yes, my husband bleeds easily too and when he works outside or inside he just goes at it and may get a cut or scrape and the slightest thing makes him bleed and keep bleeding. He takes Stanback which are like Goodys when he has headaches or shoulder pain sometimes.

:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Ok, please be kind. I haven't been on line much today and I am tired to boot so maybe I am just getting befuddled.

When we have seen the photos of the home.......looking at the front of the home the garage is to the right and living quarters is to the left.

Is that not right?

So in your very good diagram of the home the w/d and garage is on the left and not the right? LOL

I AM confused. Sorry. Don't tell me to go to bed and get some rest. Way too early just yet. lol

imoo [/*]

LOL, the diagram was just of the garage!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


This shows the stain on the floor - although we don't know whether there was a bunch of stuff piled on top of it that was moved by LE.

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=plasticbags.jpg

In the Greta interview at the house, Captain Sutherland and Greta were looking at some specks of what Greta thought was blood on the wall.

JMO [/*]

Imo in this photo the darker staining being at the bottom of the photo I think this is where Maria's head landed and laid and the oval staining that spreads out goes all the way to where her feet may have been. If you look at the outside overall staining area it looks very much elongated like a stretched egg or somewhat similar to a make shift grave shape.

The profuse bleeding would begin immediately and it takes about 5=10 minutes for the blood to mostly leave the body iirc. By then the mass of blood would be large.......concrete is very porous and soaks up anything liquid. That is why we have seen cases years old where they went back and luminoled garage floors only to have it light up for blood when luminol tested.

I think with the luminol testing they may be able to see where he/she drug her body and what door was used to get her out of the garage.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling


LOL, the diagram was just of the garage! [/*]

:tongue: :o

What can I say? I am soooooooooooooooo sorry and sooooooo
embarrassed.:o

Nuttin, I may need something stronger than Apple pie to live this one down! LOLOLOLOLOL

Let me go back and look at that beautiful diagram of the GARAGE ONLY!!!!

imo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:tongue: :o

What can I say? I am soooooooooooooooo sorry and sooooooo
embarrassed.:o

Nuttin, I may need something stronger than Apple pie to live this one down! LOLOLOLOLOL

Let me go back and look at that beautiful diagram of the GARAGE ONLY!!!!

imo [/*]

I have a nice unopened bottle of California wine. Shall I uncork it for you?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:tongue: :o

What can I say? I am soooooooooooooooo sorry and sooooooo
embarrassed.:o

Nuttin, I may need something stronger than Apple pie to live this one down! LOLOLOLOLOL

Let me go back and look at that beautiful diagram of the GARAGE ONLY!!!!

imo [/*]
Nothing to be embarrassed about, it's a dumb diagram and should have just drawn one on some graph paper.

BUT, now I'm really laughing, it was Annie who mentioned the Apple Pie

[henry]

Originally posted by bkwits


I have a nice unopened bottle of California wine. Shall I uncork it for you? [/*]

me three? it's been a long day . . . heading off to count sheep . . . later :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Nothing to be embarrassed about, it's a dumb diagram and should have just drawn one on some graph paper.

BUT, now I'm really laughing, it was Annie who mentioned the Apple Pie [/*]

See? Don't you pity me? I use to try to be so articulate but now I am screwing up left and right. (pun intended :D )

I promise I will be better tomorrow...........well I hope so anyway but tonight just bear with me. It has been 82 degrees today and I think my brain got a suntan.:o

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


I have a nice unopened bottle of California wine. Shall I uncork it for you? [/*]

Why how nice of you.

I may have to take you up on your offer. Thanks. lol

imoo

:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by henry


me three? it's been a long day . . . heading off to count sheep . . . later :seeya: [/*]
Nite henry :seeya:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Nite henry :seeya: [/*]

Have a wonderful rest. You deserve it. :seeya:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by henry


me three? it's been a long day . . . heading off to count sheep . . . later :seeya: [/*]

See ya in the morning, henry.

Rest well.

imoo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


um, bkwits, i think GB has had quite enough for one night....LOL

i am :lol: with you, GB, not at you!!!

wheres that dang pie? [/*]


Ahh, Annie, I hate to drink alone. Have a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon.

:beer:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


um, bkwits, i think GB has had quite enough for one night....LOL

i am :lol: with you, GB, not at you!!!

wheres that dang pie? [/*]

Well I nevah!:eek: Heck Annie I cant even blame it on drinking. I am doing all of these mess ups sober as a Judge.:D

imoo

[Squawk Box]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Imo in this photo the darker staining being at the bottom of the photo I think this is where Maria's head landed and laid and the oval staining that spreads out goes all the way to where her feet may have been. If you look at the outside overall staining area it looks very much elongated like a stretched egg or somewhat similar to a make shift grave shape.

The profuse bleeding would begin immediately and it takes about 5=10 minutes for the blood to mostly leave the body iirc. By then the mass of blood would be large.......concrete is very porous and soaks up anything liquid. That is why we have seen cases years old where they went back and luminoled garage floors only to have it light up for blood when luminol tested.

I think with the luminol testing they may be able to see where he/she drug her body and what door was used to get her out of the garage.

imoo [/*]

:confused:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well I nevah!:eek: Heck Annie I cant even blame it on drinking. I am doing all of these mess ups sober as a Judge.:D

imoo [/*]

That's the problem. And I've wondered about some judges that I've run across.:D

Here have a glass of red in my antique crystal goblet.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I'll just have GB's glass, look at her all passed out on the chair over there, apple pie chunks on the front of her bathrobe....
LOL [/*]

:lol: :lol:

AND :lol:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits



Ahh, Annie, I hate to drink alone. Have a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon.

:beer: [/*].

I'm having a glass of merlot with you. :D

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I'll just have GB's glass, look at her all passed out on the chair over there, apple pie chunks on the front of her bathrobe....
LOL [/*]


Annie, shame on you. :lol: LMAO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


That's the problem. And I've wondered about some judges that I've run across.:D

Here have a glass of red in my antique crystal goblet. [/*]

Ya'll are so bad.LOL I promise I haven't had any alcohol to drink. I think I could use one though....sure couldn't befuddle my brain any more than it is now.:lol:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5
I cannot speak for the board, but I wanted to see a picture of christina to compare to maria. we had discussed weeks ago whether or not it could have been christina buying the bus ticket in maria's name for the sake of cover up/kidnapping. jmo [/*]
Hi mw5 and everyone :) I'm still reading through here when I get the chance, and I too was curious many weeks ago if Mrs. CL looked enough like Maria to possibly pose as her at the bus station, but the only problem is Mrs. CL was supposed to be at the Christmas party at that time. Other than that, they do seem to have the same coloring (hair, skin).

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi mw5 and everyone :) I'm still reading through here when I get the chance, and I too was curious many weeks ago if Mrs. CL looked enough like Maria to possibly pose as her at the bus station, but the only problem is Mrs. CL was supposed to be at the Christmas party at that time. [/*]

I didn't think she looked anything like maria, but i also do not know what pictures le showed the bus station attendant. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi mw5 and everyone :) I'm still reading through here when I get the chance, and I too was curious many weeks ago if Mrs. CL looked enough like Maria to possibly pose as her at the bus station, but the only problem is Mrs. CL was supposed to be at the Christmas party at that time. Other than that, they do seem to have the same coloring (hair, skin). [/*]

Well hey there, sun. So nice to see you drop in.......I have missed you. Where have you been?

imoo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5
.

I'm having a glass of merlot with you. :D [/*]

Oh I love Merlot. I was thinking about your question about if CL's attorney could notify LE if CL was dead.

Well, I guess it wouldn't be privileged communication. I suppose the atty would hear it from the family. How else could he know?

He could advise the family to notify LE, I think.

It is interesting question. IMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


Oh I love Merlot. I was thinking about your question about if CL's attorney could notify LE if CL was dead.

Well, I guess it wouldn't be privileged communication. I suppose the atty would hear it from the family. How else could he know?

He could advise the family to notify LE, I think.

It is interesting question. IMO [/*]

I see attorneys every week...ya think i would ask one. I'll try to remember thursday at my closing.

[IvySterling]

O/T, but about Military Married Couples.........nice to hear this!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_re_us/combat_marriages
Notice the gals are older than their husbands.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I see attorneys every week...ya think i would ask one. I'll try to remember thursday at my closing. [/*]


I hope they don't give you that weird look that I get when asking these kind of questions. :rolleyes:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits



I hope they don't give you that weird look that I get when asking these kind of questions. :rolleyes: [/*]

No weirder than the looks i usually get. :D

[sunstar]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I didn't think she looked anything like maria, but i also do not know what pictures le showed the bus station attendant. jmo [/*]
I'm thinking of the photos of Maria we've seen taken before she was pregnant. Of course, if Mrs. CL's face wasn't blurred out in the photo with CL, I might agree more with you! I was just going by the hair color and skin tone.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well hey there, sun. So nice to see you drop in.......I have missed you. Where have you been?

imoo [/*]
Hi GB :seeya: I get home from work late, and sometimes just too tired but I have been reading to see if anything's new and sadly, I see that CL is still not in custody yet. I never hear anything on the news anymore either and the last articles seem to be from mid-March when the autopsy was released.

[chance]

I just have to ask. With all the discussion about the w/d location. How do we even know that they had a w/d?

I know that when I was first married with a child at 23 we did not have a w/d. It was a roll of quarters and hit the laundry mat.

moo of course.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by chance
I just have to ask. With all the discussion about the w/d location. How do we even know that they had a w/d?

I know that when I was first married with a child at 23 we did not have a w/d. It was a roll of quarters and hit the laundry mat.

moo of course. [/*]

excellent point!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by chance
I just have to ask. With all the discussion about the w/d location. How do we even know that they had a w/d?

I know that when I was first married with a child at 23 we did not have a w/d. It was a roll of quarters and hit the laundry mat.
moo of course. [/*]
We don't know if they had a W/D, but chances are if they owned two vehicles and a ride mower they could afford a W/D.

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.abanet.org/media/issues/acprivilegeqa.html

Are communications with lawyers the only types of communication protected as confidential?

No. Communications between other persons with special relationships also are accorded confidentiality protections, or “privileged” status. All of these reflect a societal view that it is more important to foster full and frank communication between people with specific relationships than it is to allow others to break the protection of confidentiality that such privileges provide. Among other privileged communications are priest-penitent communications, between clergy and those whom they counsel; doctor-patient communications, allowing people with physical or mental illness to consult physicians in confidence; and, under certain circumstances, spousal communications, which can protect from forced disclosure confidential conversations between married couples.

****************************************

So does this mean that Christina could have told Caesar's attorney particular information that he didn't have to divulge to anyone else not even LE?

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
http://www.abanet.org/media/issues/acprivilegeqa.html

Are communications with lawyers the only types of communication protected as confidential?

No. Communications between other persons with special relationships also are accorded confidentiality protections, or “privileged” status. All of these reflect a societal view that it is more important to foster full and frank communication between people with specific relationships than it is to allow others to break the protection of confidentiality that such privileges provide. Among other privileged communications are priest-penitent communications, between clergy and those whom they counsel; doctor-patient communications, allowing people with physical or mental illness to consult physicians in confidence; and, under certain circumstances, spousal communications, which can protect from forced disclosure confidential conversations between married couples.

****************************************

So does this mean that Christina could have told Caesar's attorney particular information that he didn't have to divulge to anyone else not even LE?

imoo [/*]
Hmmmmmmmm, the last part may apply, just :shrug:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by chance
I just have to ask. With all the discussion about the w/d location. How do we even know that they had a w/d?

I know that when I was first married with a child at 23 we did not have a w/d. It was a roll of quarters and hit the laundry mat.

moo of course. [/*]
Laundry detergent kept in the garage makes me think the w/d are there.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


excellent point! [/*]

It seems like more and more though that these young people seem to have all the basics they need much quicker than they use to. If they were single maybe but I do think if they could afford a home they most likely had a w/d.

JMO tho.

[chance]

Originally posted by IvySterling

We don't know if they had a W/D, but chances are if they owned two vehicles and a ride mower they could afford a W/D. [/*]


Maybe they did. Just asking. I really don't know what they could afford.

moo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It seems like more and more though that these young people seem to have all the basics they need much quicker than they use to. If they were single maybe but I do think if they could afford a home they most likely had a w/d.

JMO tho. [/*]

I know many young couples that focus more on what they want than what they need. jmo

[chance]

Originally posted by sunstar

Laundry detergent kept in the garage makes me think the w/d are there. [/*]

If you used a laundry mat you wouldn't drive around with detergent in your car you would put it somewhere.

moo

[gaelicpeas]

My very first purchase when I moved out of a dorm was a washer-dryer. I hate laundromats!

But, we don't know if they did.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I know many young couples that focus more on what they want than what they need. jmo [/*]

Oh my gosh.......it seems these young people just getting married these days gather every trinket and gadget known to man.......right off the bat.

imoo

[chance]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I know many young couples that focus more on what they want than what they need. jmo [/*]


ITA. I know a few of those to!

moo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh my gosh.......it seems these young people just getting married these days gather every trinket and gadget known to man.......right off the bat.

imoo [/*]

yep. especially in this town. not saying they didn't have one, but she may have just taken laundry to her sister's, or a laundromat. jmo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
http://www.abanet.org/media/issues/acprivilegeqa.html

Are communications with lawyers the only types of communication protected as confidential?

No. Communications between other persons with special relationships also are accorded confidentiality protections, or “privileged” status. All of these reflect a societal view that it is more important to foster full and frank communication between people with specific relationships than it is to allow others to break the protection of confidentiality that such privileges provide. Among other privileged communications are priest-penitent communications, between clergy and those whom they counsel; doctor-patient communications, allowing people with physical or mental illness to consult physicians in confidence; and, under certain circumstances, spousal communications, which can protect from forced disclosure confidential conversations between married couples.

****************************************

So does this mean that Christina could have told Caesar's attorney particular information that he didn't have to divulge to anyone else not even LE?

imoo [/*]

I kind of doubt that. IMO

[daniel green]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I agree, and I respect mw for saying that.

What little we have seen of Christina though.....she has dark hair and Maria's was blonde.

The bus station guy DID say he sold the ticket to Maria. And some are second guessing him, because of the time lapse since the ticket was sold. But gosh, it IS what he believes..... [/*]

And ML was pregnant, Mrs L was not.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


I kind of doubt that. IMO [/*]

and wouldn't christina have broken that seal by talking to le? jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by chance


If you used a laundry mat you wouldn't drive around with detergent in your car you would put it somewhere.

moo [/*]
You're right, but the garage looked so cluttered it didn't seem a car would fit in there. Just MOO. :)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and wouldn't christina have broken that seal by talking to le? jmo [/*]
Dunno mw, but I do know that not everything told to an attorney is divulged to the LE. I think her/CAL's attorney instructed her on what she should or should not say.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
My very first purchase when I moved out of a dorm was a washer-dryer. I hate laundromats!

But, we don't know if they did. [/*]

In Chicago, and probably other places, there are laundromats adjoining a bar.

Drink, watch sports, and do laundry, all in one trip. ;)

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
http://www.abanet.org/media/issues/acprivilegeqa.html

snip

So does this mean that Christina could have told Caesar's attorney particular information that he didn't have to divulge to anyone else not even LE?

imoo [/*]

Yes.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and wouldn't christina have broken that seal by talking to le? jmo [/*]

You mean spousal privilege? IMO, she couldn't testify in court to something Cesar told her unless someone else was present at the time he told her. IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by bkwits


In Chicago, and probably other places, there are laundromats adjoining a bar.

Drink, watch sports, and do laundry, all in one trip. ;) [/*]
Nice, but what do you do if you have kids tagging along???

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


You mean spousal privilege? IMO, she couldn't testify in court to something Cesar told her unless someone else was present at the time he told her. IMO [/*]

so what kind of witness would that make her?

[chance]

Originally posted by bkwits


In Chicago, and probably other places, there are laundromats adjoining a bar.

Drink, watch sports, and do laundry, all in one trip. ;) [/*]


We used to have those here. They were called "Suds N Duds" I think they are all gone now.

moo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Nice, but what do you do if you have kids tagging along??? [/*]

I think it is mostly for the singles living in apts in the city.

OTH, my bro, BIL, and SIL do the laundry in their families, but they do it at home.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


so what kind of witness would that make her? [/*]


I think she could say what she saw, but not what CL told her in private. IMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits



I think she could say what she saw, but not what CL told her in private. IMO [/*]

so what does that leave le and the da with that points specifically to cl? i'm asking because i would hate that the defense could easily create doubt with no firm evidence. jmo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Dunno mw, but I do know that not everything told to an attorney is divulged to the LE. I think her/CAL's attorney instructed her on what she should or should not say. [/*]

Actually, hardly anything that a client tells an attorney can be divulged to LE. There are very few exceptions. IMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by bkwits


Actually, hardly anything that a client tells an attorney can be divulged to LE. There are very few exceptions. IMO [/*]
I worded my post poorly, I meant not everything one tells an attorney is what one would tell the LE.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


so what does that leave le and the da with that points specifically to cl? i'm asking because i would hate that the defense could easily create doubt with no firm evidence. jmo [/*]

Well, that's the defense's job to create doubt. I wonder if they can use his notes as evidence. But someone killed her in that house and he buried her. I think there is plenty of evidence of that. IMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I worded my post poorly, I meant not everything one tells an attorney is what one would tell the LE. [/*]


Oh I see, yes, I agree.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


Well, that's the defense's job to create doubt. I wonder if they can use his notes as evidence. But someone killed her in that house and he buried her. I think there is plenty of evidence of that. IMO [/*]

I fully agree with the last part. and regardless of christina's involvement, he is first and foremost the biggest villan in the whole scenario, imo

[IvySterling]

Nite folks :seeya: time for DWTS;)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite folks :seeya: time for DWTS;) [/*]:seeya:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I fully agree with the last part. and regardless of christina's involvement, he is first and foremost the biggest villan in the whole scenario, imo [/*]

Attorney/client privilege doesn't estend to everyone that the attorney talks to aor contacts in the client's behalf. I found that out when I did some work for a lawyer representing a client. I thought my communication with the lawyer would be privileged. It was not. I had to produce all my files in deposition.

Of course, state laws may vary.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


Attorney/client privilege doesn't estend to everyone that the attorney talks to aor contacts in the client's behalf. I found that out when I did some work for a lawyer representing a client. I thought my communication with the lawyer would be privileged. It was not. I had to produce all my files in deposition.

Of course, state laws may vary. [/*]

I'm sure wally p. will know the nc law inside and out by the time this goes to trial. jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits


Attorney/client privilege doesn't estend to everyone that the attorney talks to aor contacts in the client's behalf. I found that out when I did some work for a lawyer representing a client. I thought my communication with the lawyer would be privileged. It was not. I had to produce all my files in deposition.

Of course, state laws may vary. [/*]

If Mrs L told CL's lawyer something, spousal priviledge wouldn't apply cuz that is for court only.

Whatever Mrs L told CL's lawyer, is privileged. And the lawyer cannot tell anyone about what she said, including LE.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I'm sure wally p. will know the nc law inside and out by the time this goes to trial. jmo [/*]

I'm sure he already does. He does practice in NC, doesn't he?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


I'm sure he already does. He does practice in NC, doesn't he? [/*]

yep. i also wonder if an atty knows a client is lying to le or court, can they support purgery.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by daniel green


If Mrs L told CL's lawyer something, spousal priviledge wouldn't apply cuz that is for court only.

Whatever Mrs L told CL's lawyer, is privileged. And the lawyer cannot tell anyone about what she said, including LE. [/*]

Do you think that Ctina spoke with Cesar's attorney about the death of Maria?
I would be surprised if that happened. IMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits


Do you think that Ctina spoke with Cesar's attorney about the death of Maria?
I would be surprised if that happened. IMO [/*]

i wouldn't be surprised if she were in the room, but i would be surprised if she talked. jmo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


yep. i also wonder if an atty knows a client is lying to le or court, can they support purgery. [/*]


The attorney cannot put the client on the stand if he knows the client will lie. It's called suborning perjury. He will not and must not divulge anything to LE or the court that harms his client (with certain exceptions). My son says that is why you see a lot of high profile cases where they change attorneys. The first attorney knows too much. JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by bkwits



The attorney cannot put the client on the stand if he knows the client will lie. It's called suborning perjury. He will not and must not divulge anything to LE or the court that harms his client (with certain exceptions). My son says that is why you see a lot of high profile cases where they change attorneys. The first attorney knows too much. JMO [/*]

well i doubt wally has talked to him at this point. jmo

i am headed to bed peeps. Have a great night!:seeya:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by marinewife5


well i doubt wally has talked to him at this point. jmo

i am headed to bed peeps. Have a great night!:seeya: [/*]


I'm already in bed, but getting ready to call it a nite

Sleep well:seeya:

[Babes]

How could Xtina slept those nights after Cesar told her that there is a burned body on their backyard? How could she NOT call 911 right away and tell them that the missing dead marine is in her backyard? Someone said there is no evidence against Xtina on this case - The dead body in the backyard is the MAIN EVIDENCE that crime happened in that property. She's an adult person living on that property then she should also be considered as a SUSPECT , specially if the Main Suspect is also missing

This is all MOO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Babes
How could Xtina slept those nights after Cesar told her that there is a burned body on their backyard? How could she NOT call 911 right away and tell them that the missing dead marine is in her backyard? Someone said there is no evidence against Xtina on this case - The dead body in the backyard is the MAIN EVIDENCE that crime happened in that property. She's an adult person living on that property then she should also be considered as a SUSPECT , specially if the Main Suspect is also missing

This is all MOO [/*]

According to what CSL said CL told her, he buried ML in the woods, not the backyard.

But I agree, either way, it would be difficult to sleep...

[daniel green]

Originally posted by marinewife5


yep. i also wonder if an atty knows a client is lying to le or court, can they support purgery. [/*]

No, they can't. They are not supposed to put their client up there if they know he/she's lying, but all good defense lawyers get around that.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits


Do you think that Ctina spoke with Cesar's attorney about the death of Maria?
I would be surprised if that happened. IMO [/*]

Oh, I have no idea.

I was answering a hypothetical. I thought MW was asking hypothetically.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Babes
How could Xtina slept those nights after Cesar told her that there is a burned body on their backyard? How could she NOT call 911 right away and tell them that the missing dead marine is in her backyard? Someone said there is no evidence against Xtina on this case - The dead body in the backyard is the MAIN EVIDENCE that crime happened in that property. She's an adult person living on that property then she should also be considered as a SUSPECT , specially if the Main Suspect is also missing

This is all MOO [/*]

In the notes Cesar left, he said the body was buried in the woods near their house. As far as we know, he never told Ctina that Maria and child were buried in the back yard.

We don't know what other evidence LE has. LE has said that she is not considered a suspect but a cooperating witness. I believe that Cesar killed Maria. I don't know if Ctina had any knowledge of it before 1/10 when Cesar supposedly told her. IMO

[Babes]

Originally posted by henry
gmorning babes (and everyone else that comes) . . . haven't seen you in a while - seen your name over on the links thread a lot. i think cesar's parents were told a cock & bull story by cesar & xtina, parents sent oodles of money to help their poor, honest, innocent son & had a network of relatives all set up and ready . . . just waiting for the word from them. i think the folks that helped him in NC were also family - and maybe a friend or two (but that's lower on the possibility ladder to me) - only family would stick with him - as evidenced by xtina, who i also think helped & planned the escape & coverup of maria's murder . . . again, jmo.

[/*]

Hi Henry

Yeah am busy at work but i still read comments here from time to time without responding and still - i am very much disappointed that after all the efforts done by the Marines, FBI , LE and god knows who else - this guy is still missing while LE thinks that his wife is "innocent" and just a "cooperating witness".

There is a dollar amount on this guy's head and if they'll convert that dollar to Mexican pesos then it is a huge money for them to turn him in or are they being greedy and waiting for the rewards to go up ?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by bkwits



The attorney cannot put the client on the stand if he knows the client will lie. It's called suborning perjury. He will not and must not divulge anything to LE or the court that harms his client (with certain exceptions). My son says that is why you see a lot of high profile cases where they change attorneys. The first attorney knows too much. JMO [/*]

It's not just his/her client. It is any witness that the lawyer knows would by lying.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by daniel green


It's not just his/her client. It is any witness that the lawyer knows would by lying. [/*]

MW asked about Cesar, but your point is correct IMO.

[Babes]

Originally posted by bkwits


In the notes Cesar left, he said the body was buried in the woods near their house. As far as we know, he never told Ctina that Maria and child were buried in the back yard.

We don't know what other evidence LE has. LE has said that she is not considered a suspect but a cooperating witness. I believe that Cesar killed Maria. I don't know if Ctina had any knowledge of it before 1/10 when Cesar supposedly told her. IMO [/*]

Do you believe that Cesar made the note by himself? I dont. That note was made to simply excuse Xtina from everything. Why does he need to make a note when he already told Xtina what happen and Xtina can just narrate it to LE? IMO Xtina was present and possibly dictated Cesar on what to write on the notes

[bkwits]

Originally posted by daniel green


No, they can't. They are not supposed to put their client up there if they know he/she's lying, but all good defense lawyers get around that. [/*]


How?

[chance]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i wouldn't be surprised if she were in the room, but i would be surprised if she talked. jmo [/*]

This is something that I just shake my head at.

You are riding with your husband to a lawyers office because the girl who is pregnant and accused him of rape is now missing. He looks at you and says " are you with me on this"
If she knew nothing up to that point. She could be in total shock and may sit there quietly to take it all in.

But the ride home would of been brutal.

The begging to turn himself in would have started then. Not at 4 in the morning when she "found" the notes he wrote before he left.

She may not have been there for the murder or the quick clean up. I believe she figured it out before the time she went to the MC. She knew.

moo

[Babes]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


According to what CSL said CL told her, he buried ML in the woods, not the backyard.

But I agree, either way, it would be difficult to sleep... [/*]

IMO They have to come up with the story in the "woods" so that she will be excused on why she didnt call 911 right away after Cesar disclosed her on what happened.

[Babes]

Let say Cesar told Xtina that he buried Maria in the woods - Did Xtina tell anyone else ( her family? ) about this? Didnt she tell her mom and dad that her husband buried the missing marine in the woods? If she did consulted them then why are these people didnt turn Cesar over to LE too?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Babes


Do you believe that Cesar made the note by himself? I dont. That note was made to simply excuse Xtina from everything. Why does he need to make a note when he already told Xtina what happen and Xtina can just narrate it to LE? IMO Xtina was present and possibly dictated Cesar on what to write on the notes [/*]

I truly believe that Cesar did the murder. I don't know if Ctina helped in any way. I go back and forth on that issue. Apparently LE doesn't think there is enough to charge her or even consider her a suspect or a person of interest. I just don't know about Ctina. I hope she is not involved for her child's sake. IMO

I do think the notes were made for Ctina's benefit and that he probably wrote them. Whether she helped write them, I don't know. IMO

[chance]

Originally posted by Babes


Do you believe that Cesar made the note by himself? I dont. That note was made to simply excuse Xtina from everything. Why does he need to make a note when he already told Xtina what happen and Xtina can just narrate it to LE? IMO Xtina was present and possibly dictated Cesar on what to write on the notes [/*]

I don't think Cl wrote the notes alone either. The notes were to clear CSL and the 4 hour head start was to get CSL to Mexico.
Or to make people think he had a 4 hour head start.

I have not jumped off the rug theory.

moo

[Babes]

Originally posted by bkwits


I truly believe that Cesar did the murder. I don't know if Ctina helped in any way. I go back and forth on that issue. Apparently LE doesn't think there is enough to charge her or even consider her a suspect or a person of interest. I just don't know about Ctina. I hope she is not involved for her child's sake. IMO

I do think the notes were made for Ctina's benefit and that he probably wrote them. Whether she helped write them, I don't know. IMO [/*]

There is no question that Cesar is part of this crime but i am sad that an obvious suspect, Xtina is roaming free and getting shield from the people behind her.

She should be a suspect - a suspect doesnt mean they are already guilty of this crime but there is a reason to believe that they are possibly involve in the crime since she lives on that house and they discovered a dead burned body on that house and she knew exactly where it is - not to mentioned that she helped PAINT the house and neighbor saw her with Cesar burning something in the backyard. That dead body buried on their backyard is more than ENOUGH to charge her as an accesory to this crime.

I also hope that she isnt involve for her child but justice must be served for Maria and her baby.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Babes


There is no question that Cesar is part of this crime but i am sad that an obvious suspect, Xtina is roaming free and getting shield from the people behind her.

She should be a suspect - a suspect doesnt mean they are already guilty of this crime but there is a reason to believe that they are possibly involve in the crime since she lives on that house and they discovered a dead burned body on that house and she knew exactly where it is - not to mentioned that she helped PAINT the house and neighbor saw her with Cesar burning something in the backyard. That dead body buried on their backyard is more than ENOUGH to charge her as an accesory to this crime.

I also hope that she isnt involve for her child but justice must be served for Maria and her baby. [/*]

Well, love can be deaf, dumb and blind sometimes. The timeline is what bothers me more than anything else. I would sure like to know what time Ctina was at the party.

JMO

[chance]

Originally posted by bkwits


Well, love can be deaf, dumb and blind sometimes. The timeline is what bothers me more than anything else. I would sure like to know what time Ctina was at the party.

JMO [/*]

It sure can be. But can it be SO blind that a pregnant woman who accused your husband of rape turns up missing and you think nothing of it?
I don't think so.

moo

Edited To Add - If the same woman was not heard from again from the very same night your husband stood you up for his own Christmas party. You would not think anything was odd about that either?
Deaf Dumb and Blind is an understatement IMO.

[Babes]

Originally posted by bkwits


Well, love can be deaf, dumb and blind sometimes. The timeline is what bothers me more than anything else. I would sure like to know what time Ctina was at the party.

JMO [/*]

LE wont provide the exact timeline of the party but since they work half day that day so we can assume that the party started on lunch time and on the Greta show - Greta mentioned that Xtina was home at 7pm - but we dont have any confirmation on this yet from LE

[SavannahStar]

Nelkirk, your theory works only IF the question "are you with me on this" refers to burying the body and possibly facing the DP. Why is this an assumption, I always wondered that.

I always took "are you with me on this" to be a VERY "general" comment.......taking in the whole of the rape allegations, etc., and yeh, "stand by your man" type of thing.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nelkirk
CELEBRATE...


APRIL FOOLS DAY:biggrin:



Maybe today the truth will be told! [/*]


:beer: I'm for that. Gosh it is April already. The ground was covered with snow a couple of days ago.

[bkwits]

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So when did this alleged conversation take place?

The very fact that she says that CL told her that he had buried the body in a wooded area adjacent to his residence is obviously not correct.

I wonder why CL would lie to his own defense attorney by saying that he had just buried the body? And why if he had just buried the body would his defense attorney tell him that he was facing the death penalty.

Because if CSL was present in the inner office and privy to the privileged conversation between CL and his attorney, then either CL lied to his attorney or CSL was not in the room when he confessed to a crime where he would be facing the death penalty.

Or then again LE's "cooperating witness" is withholding information from LE...

IMO CSL was parked in the waiting room while CL talked to his attorney and on the way home he unburdened himself to her.

Either he told her on the way there in which case she is moonlighting at the psychic friends network or he told her after he had been in the office.

Whichever way, for whatever reason she has given a false statement to authorities. [/*][/QUOTE]



I guess I am really slow because I haven't slept, but what do you think is the false statement Ctina gave to LE?

[henry]

aprils fools deserves its own thread . . . started a new one for today - nelkirk - i copied your post over but the colors & smiles didn't show :(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


There is no question that Cesar is part of this crime but i am sad that an obvious suspect, Xtina is roaming free and getting shield from the people behind her.

She should be a suspect - a suspect doesnt mean they are already guilty of this crime but there is a reason to believe that they are possibly involve in the crime since she lives on that house and they discovered a dead burned body on that house and she knew exactly where it is - not to mentioned that she helped PAINT the house and neighbor saw her with Cesar burning something in the backyard. That dead body buried on their backyard is more than ENOUGH to charge her as an accesory to this crime.

I also hope that she isnt involve for her child but justice must be served for Maria and her baby. [/*]

I share your concerns too Babes. I'll bet the Lauterbach family is really scratching their heads on this given it seems out of sight, out of mind. It's got to be hard to remain hopeful about justice when you look at the way things appear with reference to Cesar and Christina. JMOOC. :(

Every day I wake up with high hopes someone has Cesar inside the USA and that he's on his way to face LADY JUSTICE. It's starting to seem futile.

ALL JMO.:patriot: