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Kat4Eagles

03-29-2008, 11:41 AM

CW said we could give this another try!!

Today is the birthday for little 4 year old C. Young, Michelle and Jason's daughter,

While there is nothing new or breaking or earth shattering, there are rumors around about what the Valentine's Day s/w's contained for the homes that were searched of Jason Young.

It really troubles me that whatever they needed would take this long to get around searching for, and how could they expect anything to still be intact or in the same condition.

Maybe they just needed to check something out in order to clear him, once and for all.

Any~wayz, Happy Birthday...."C", and thank you, CW.

Kat

JD1974

03-29-2008, 01:20 PM

I wanted to post a Happy Birthday to C. This has to be the hardest time, worse than any of the other holidays because this is the day Mommy brought her into the world and now Mommy isn't there to celebrate with her. I can't imagine missing my son's 4th birthday last month and I can't and don't want to imagine how he would of felt if I had missed it.

My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice.

Kat4Eagles

03-29-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by JD1974
I wanted to post a Happy Birthday to C. This has to be the hardest time, worse than any of the other holidays because this is the day Mommy brought her into the world and now Mommy isn't there to celebrate with her. I can't imagine missing my son's 4th birthday last month and I can't and don't want to imagine how he would of felt if I had missed it.

My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*]

Hi JD......:)

I hope she has a happy day under the circumstances, with balloons, a cake and all kinds of presents.

I hope everyone around her will try and make it as happy and normal for her as possible.

And, I hope her Mother's killer is caught soon too.

The way the investigation is going leads me to believe there is something that makes it impossible for Jason to be involved.

Something that explains why this crime does not fit.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-29-2008, 05:20 PM

My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*][/QUOTE]

I was reading some of the s/w's today, and I am wondering if L E had ever considered MM as the motive when they found out she and Jason were communicating by emails and phone, and then if later on, it turned out to be much more innocent, they had to look at other motives.

I never could come up with motive here.

Insurance money is only good if and when you can collect it.
It would be too suspicious to even try in a murder case, when it is your wife in your home.

The other woman was a friend to them both, who , for just one nite forgot that.

Freedom?
Jason had more than enough, = salesman on the road.

Ruined his life by getting married?
He married her twice. stay married, and even was going to have another child.
:shrug:

Whoever killed Michelle was mad as heck, furious to the breaking point, totally lost it, they didn't even notice when she had stopped fighting back, they were so lost in that moment of rage,.

So, for those who do think Jason killed Michelle, what was he so mad at her for, that he had to kill her that nite , when he so easily could have been seen by anyone, anywhere?

Kat

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
My sincere hope is that by her next birthday the murderer of her Mommy is caught and brought to justice. [/*]

I was reading some of the s/w's today, and I am wondering if L E had ever considered MM as the motive when they found out she and Jason were communicating by emails and phone, and then if later on, it turned out to be much more innocent, they had to look at other motives.

I never could come up with motive here.

Insurance money is only good if and when you can collect it.
It would be too suspicious to even try in a murder case, when it is your wife in your home.

The other woman was a friend to them both, who , for just one nite forgot that.

Freedom?
Jason had more than enough, = salesman on the road.

Ruined his life by getting married?
He married her twice. stay married, and even was going to have another child.
:shrug:

Whoever killed Michelle was mad as heck, furious to the breaking point, totally lost it, they didn't even notice when she had stopped fighting back, they were so lost in that moment of rage,.

So, for those who do think Jason killed Michelle, what was he so mad at her for, that he had to kill her that nite , when he so easily could have been seen by anyone, anywhere?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

Thanks, Kat!

I also have yet to see a motive for Jason to kill his wife and son. Nothing negative has surfaced as far as behavioral traits which almost always happens long before 17 months. No debts from gambling, no secret lifestyle, no other woman waiting in the wings, no history of domestic violence. Nor do I believe Jason had the opportunity to kill his wife and son.

Instead, I think there is evidence the killer knew Jason was out of town and seized the opportunity to eliminate Michelle. I think the search warrants on Valentine's Day were to exclude Jason as a suspect once an arrest of someone else is made.

jmo

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 06:22 PM

lilismom

03-29-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Hi, JD!

I think C knows her mommy is an angel watching over her. She's surrounded by love.

:rose: for C and Jason on this special day [/*]

I sure hope C is being told about her mother. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't want her to remember her.

I wonder if they're watching videos of the day C was born? We've seen a few videos so we know they videotaped some. I have some and my daughter loves to watch them. She loves to see me pregnant with her. She can't believe she was IN my belly.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful way to celebrate the day her mother brought her into this world? I sure think so. Even if it makes others sad or uncomfortable to watch.

IMO,
Lilismom

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

I sure hope C is being told about her mother. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't want her to remember her.

I wonder if they're watching videos of the day C was born? We've seen a few videos so we know they videotaped some. I have some and my daughter loves to watch them. She loves to see me pregnant with her. She can't believe she was IN my belly.

Wouldn't that be a wonderful way to celebrate the day her mother brought her into this world? I sure think so. Even if it makes others sad or uncomfortable to watch.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

:shrug:

oakayfine

03-29-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

:shrug: [/*]

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO

annalyzer

03-29-2008, 09:42 PM

Jason's silence says it all.

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 09:48 PM

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by annalyzer
Jason's silence says it all. [/*]

Hopefully that silence will be lifted soon and the facts will speak for themselves.

oakayfine

03-29-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You've not provided any links for me to see.

Posting gossip as fact is a :no: [/*]

I did not post this is fact. It is not necessary to provide a link to opinions.

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I did not post this is fact. It is not necessary to provide a link to opinions. [/*]

Originally posted by oakayfine

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

I've seen no links to returned Christmas gifts or CY being held hostage. I sure don't base my opinions on rumors not supported with links. Sorry.

oakayfine

03-29-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Hopefully that silence will be lifted soon and the facts will speak for themselves. [/*]

I don't think Jason will ever speak the truth of what happened that horrible night; he will continue to be mute. He will take that evening to his grave. Hopefully he will be behind bars when all is said and done. JMO.

oakayfine

03-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Originally posted by oakayfine

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

I've seen no links to returned Christmas gifts or CY being held hostage. I sure don't base my opinions on rumors not supported with links. Sorry. [/*]

I did not ask you to. This is a message board. Message Boards are for opinions. I expressed mine just as you can express yours. No need to be sorry. IMO

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

I did not ask you to. This is a message board. Message Boards are for opinions. I expressed mine just as you can express yours. No need to be sorry. IMO [/*]

I prefer opinions based on facts, not unlinked gossip but that's just me.

Have a nice evening.

Kat4Eagles

03-29-2008, 10:31 PM

[ From JustFacts

Thanks, Kat!

I also have yet to see a motive for Jason to kill his wife and son. Nothing negative has surfaced as far as behavioral traits which almost always happens long before 17 months. No debts from gambling, no secret lifestyle, no other woman waiting in the wings, no history of domestic violence. Nor do I believe Jason had the opportunity to kill his wife and son.

Instead, I think there is evidence the killer knew Jason was out of town and seized the opportunity to eliminate Michelle. I think the search warrants on Valentine's Day were to exclude Jason as a suspect once an arrest of someone else is made.

jmo [/*][/QUOTE]

Hi JF..........Exactly, that is another thing.........

1)With all the stories that go around making Jason look bad, there has never been one, not even a hint of one, that Jason had a bad temper.

2) And, like one of the posters who thinks there is no foreign DNA at the crime scene, or we would have been told about it, I think it is exactly the opposite.

There was something at the crime scene that points to someone else.

The search warrants specifically ask for palm prints!

3) The therapist notes..if you read the s/w info (which I finally did) it is clear the reason there was a court order was because they were thought to have some information that would provide insights into a troubled marriage.
There are many reasons to see a therapist, as we discussed.
What happened was that a receipt or a cancelled check may have been found made payable to the therapist, and LE thought it would be beneficial to subpoena the therapist.
Or her phone number was found, or an appt card.

Look at all the stuff L E confiscated from his car, the receipt from the Hampton Inn was right in his car.

Not a big mystery after~all.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-29-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat [/*]

My take is that it's more about what's the best for the child right now. She has been through an ordeal and Jason has every right to decide what she does and who sees her. No NC court is going to get involved. I doubt she's the only child in the world who is kept away from specific family members for whatever reason. If, indeed, it is true that's happening here.

JHP

03-30-2008, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

We don't know that as fact.
We had one poster say that there have been no visits, and then someone else disputed that.

You have to also look at it this way.

Maybe Jason and his in~laws were not all that close to begin with, I still can not figure out why Michelle's sister gave up her life in NY to move to NC, but, at any rate, some people only see each other at holidays.

We know the Youngs loved Michelle, Jason's sisters were her bridesmaids.

Besides that, we were told Jason took C to NY or NJ to see her maternal grandfather, Alan .
Jason made sure her grandfather saw her.

Maybe the trouble with the Youngs and Fishers started way before this....we don't know.

And, besides that again, there are 2 sides to every story.
Maybe there was some reason that Jason feels in the long run, that a clean break was necessary.

And, why couldn't the Fishers right now petition for court appointed supervised visits?

L E seems to have no problem letting C be raised by Jason, if they still think he is a murderer.

Kat [/*]
You are think the Youngs loved Michelle because they were bridesmaids? Any other reasons?

I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.

Do you have an answer for why LE has left Drew Petersons children with him? He was labeled a suspct in his wifes disappearance almost 5 months ago.
I am surprised however that child protective services did not step in, considering Cassidy was left alone in a dangerous situation for a long period of time.
Who knows? Maybe they did and thats why they moved to the hills.

Lets face it, considering how butal this crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

So I hope that an arrest is made soon for all the people who truly loved Michelle.

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

My take is that it's more about what's the best for the child right now. She has been through an ordeal and Jason has every right to decide what she does and who sees her. No NC court is going to get involved. I doubt she's the only child in the world who is kept away from specific family members for whatever reason. If, indeed, it is true that's happening here. [/*]

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by JHP

You are think the Youngs loved Michelle because they were bridesmaids? Any other reasons?

I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.

Do you have an answer for why LE has left Drew Petersons children with him? He was labeled a suspct in his wifes disappearance almost 5 months ago.
I am surprised however that child protective services did not step in, considering Cassidy was left alone in a dangerous situation for a long period of time.
Who knows? Maybe they did and thats why they moved to the hills.

Lets face it, considering how butal this crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

So I hope that an arrest is made soon for all the people who truly loved Michelle. [/*]
__________________________________________________ ____
The fact that Michelle chose them to be in her wedding, means they were close.
And, the wedding itself, once again, not at all how some have tried to describe it, that their were shotguns and Jason was forced to do this.
They look happy, we got to see photos for ourselves.

So, again what is the motive?
If someone wants to paint this picture as a cold calcuated pre~meditated murder, then fill in the rest of the portrait.

Why?
Money?
Could not afford a divorce?
Could not still go home and live with family and have joint custody with Michelle?
Child support?
Alimony?
With the amount of money that Michelle could make on her own?

Any of these worth killing for?
Scott Peterson killed Laci because he did not want a baby.period.
Rae Carruth arranged for Cherica Adams to be killed because he did not want a baby.period.

Jason is already a father, and a good one.

Read all the stories about Jason and Michelle and how they met, and how he spilled her drink, cause he was the awkward type, and how they loved to laugh and entertain, and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turns into this monster who killed her.

He just woke up one morning and devised this deviant precise masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

Jason , the practical joker, the clown, the life of the party.

That Jason?

Kat

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

__________________________________________________ ____

Read all the stories about Jason and Michelle and how they met, and how he spilled her drink, cause he was the awkward type, and how they loved to laugh and entertain, and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turns into this monster who killed her.

He just woke up one morning and devised this deviant precise masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

Jason , the practical joker, the clown, the life of the party.

That Jason?

Kat [/*]
Quote snipped for space.

Yes, this does sound very familiar to SP and LP. By all acounts they were happy and giddy when they met and were all smiles at their wedding too. They loved to entertain and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turned into this monster who killed her.
He just woke up one morning and devised a deviant, precise, masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

We don't know what motivates people to murder. It happens more often than I would like to see.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Quote snipped for space.

Yes, this does sound very familiar to SP and LP. By all acounts they were happy and giddy when they met and were all smiles at their wedding too. They loved to entertain and then 2-3 years later he just suddenly turned into this monster who killed her.
He just woke up one morning and devised a deviant, precise, masterminded plan to eliminate Michelle forever.

We don't know what motivates people to murder. It happens more often than I would like to see.

JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

Scott had a clear motive.
Scott's deviant precise plan was found on his computer checking tides.
Scott left no traces of Laci being killed in the home.
Scott is heard on recordings pretending to be in Paris.
Scott told Amber his wife was dead, before she was, leaving that to be unquestionably, undeniably pre~med.
Scott did not tell anyone where he was going that day, not even his Dad.
Scott told people his wife was missing.

None of those are the same in this case.

Kat

JHP

03-30-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Scott had a clear motive.
Scott's deviant precise plan was found on his computer checking tides.
Scott left no traces of Laci being killed in the home.
Scott is heard on recordings pretending to be in Paris.
Scott told Amber his wife was dead, before she was, leaving that to be unquestionably, undeniably pre~med.
Scott did not tell anyone where he was going that day, not even his Dad.
Scott told people his wife was missing.

None of those are the same in this case.

Kat [/*]
But, Kat what evidence do we know LE has or dosent have in the Michelle Young case? LE has been extremly quiet about whats going on.
Other then Jason won't talk.
We don't know what was happening with MM? Do we, other then they were having a relationship.
Maybe someday we will get the story. I hope it's soon.

JHP

03-30-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*] oakayfine, ITA with your post except I hope the courts become involved a soon as there is an arrest IF it is Jayson. I hope the Fishers don't have to wait on Cassidy for a conviction.
JMO

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by JHP
oakayfine, ITA with your post except I hope the courts become involved a soon as there is an arrest IF it is Jayson. I hope the Fishers don't have to wait on Cassidy for a conviction.
JMO [/*]

Oh, I certainly hope it would be sooner, rather than later. Unfortunately NC Law is not in the Fisher's favor right now. That could change in any upcoming legislative session though. As it stands right now, the Fishers will have to wait for a conviction before they can seek custody of Cassie.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

JHP

03-30-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Oh, I certainly hope it would be sooner, rather than later. Unfortunately NC Law is not in the Fisher's favor right now. That could change in any upcoming legislative session though. As it stands right now, the Fishers will have to wait for a conviction before they can seek custody of Cassie.

JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*] That is quite unfortunate. I don't know the laws in NC. It seems to me if the surviving parent is arrested. The court system would step in to look after the childs best interest. JMO

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by JHP
That is quite unfortunate. I don't know the laws in NC. It seems to me if the surviving parent is arrested. The court system would step in to look after the childs best interest. JMO [/*]

One would think so but sometimes the laws are not always fair and balanced. They try to write them in such a way that they include all but sometimes all situations can not be foreseen.
Perhaps with a good attorney, there might be some hope. It will be an uphill battle but well worth the fight.

JMO JMO JMO JMO

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

As you so bluntly phrased it above, I will now do the same. This is your opinion. I disagree with your innuendo. I have a different opinion.
I believe NC courts will, most certainly, get involved. I beleive they will be involved with the prosecution of the murderer. I also believe they will be invovled with the custody case once the murderer is convicted. I believe the courts will consider everything that has transpired in the almost 17 months since Cassie's mother was murdered.

JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO JMO [/*]

Believe whatever you like but NC law doesn't support your belief, imo.

17+ months and Jason has yet to be named a suspect or POI by police. There is simply no evidence he is guilty of the crime and certainly no evidence he is an unfit parent.

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 02:41 PM

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Believe whatever you like but NC law doesn't support your belief, imo.

17+ months and Jason has yet to be named a suspect or POI by police. There is simply no evidence he is guilty of the crime and certainly no evidence he is an unfit parent. [/*]

Neither you nor I know what evidence Police may or may not have. They have been very silent.
Yes, I will believe what I believe. I believe there is evidence he is guilty. I believe the courts will be involved.
That being said, NC Law does support the Fishers gaining custody of Cassie when all is said and done.
IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO

If Jason is found guilty the following will most certainly apply and the Fishers will seek custody. IMO IMO IMO
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/sc/opinions/2001/032-01-1.htm
"The United States Supreme Court has recognized that protection of a parent's interest in the custody of his or her children is not absolute. Lehr v. Robertson, 463 U.S. 248, 77 L. Ed. 2d 614 (1983). This principle is stated by this Court in Price v. Howard, 346 N.C. 68, 76, 484 S.E.2d 528, 533 (1997). "

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I don't believe LE is being quiet to Jason and Michelle's friends or family who are all cooperating.

jmo [/*]

I disagree. I do believe LE is being quiet to all involved. It is my opinion that they would not want to tell anyone what they know or do not know as it would compromise their investigation.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by JHP

But, Kat what evidence do we know LE has or dosent have in the Michelle Young case? LE has been extremly quiet about whats going on.
Other then Jason won't talk.
We don't know what was happening with MM? Do we, other then they were having a relationship.
Maybe someday we will get the story. I hope it's soon. [/*]

We all want it to be soon, we were promised soon.
We were guaranteed by a poster that it would be over by March 31st, of LAST YEAR,
It will be a year tomorrow since that prediction.
I don't like it when someone tells me something and it doesn't happen, do you?
I don't like it when the poster conveniently disappears and doesn't come back to explain why it did not happen or to apologize.

I know from the s/w's that MM confirmed she talked to Jason daily for 3 months, but she could have also talked w/ Michelle too.

I was interested to see if anyone thought Jason was merely trying to exchange the Michelle's in his life.

I learrned from the s/w's that her sister came in the home through an unsecured door in the garage.

Who left it unlocked.?
Michelle or the killer when they left?

I want to know why the deck planks were taken and the gallon of stain, and why the police would think that after all this time, when they went back to re~investigate thehome, that the bathroom, would have the same bloody prints would be available and I quote.....

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

Neither you nor I know what evidence Police may or may not have. They have been very silent.
Yes, I will believe what I believe. I believe there is evidence he is guilty. I believe the courts will be involved.
That being said, NC Law does support the Fishers gaining custody of Cassie when all is said and done.
IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO

If Jason is found guilty the following will most certainly apply and the Fishers will seek custody. IMO IMO IMO
http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/sc/opinions/2001/032-01-1.htm
"The United States Supreme Court has recognized that protection of a parent's interest in the custody of his or her children is not absolute. Lehr v. Robertson, 463 U.S. 248, 77 L. Ed. 2d 614 (1983). This principle is stated by this Court in Price v. Howard, 346 N.C. 68, 76, 484 S.E.2d 528, 533 (1997). " [/*]

I'm pretty sure police are not being silent to friends and family. At least I've been told that directly by someone who has had numerous discussions with detectives.

You're attempting to debate child custody in a case where the parent hasn't been named a POI or suspect. A complete waste of time, imo.

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

We all want it to be soon, we were promised soon.
We were guaranteed by a poster that it would be over by March 31st, of LAST YEAR,
It will be a year tomorrow since that prediction.
I don't like it when someone tells me something and it doesn't happen, do you?
I don't like it when the poster conveniently disappears and doesn't come back to explain why it did not happen or to apologize.

I know from the s/w's that MM confirmed she talked to Jason daily for 3 months, but she could have also talked w/ Michelle too.

I was interested to see if anyone thought Jason was merely trying to exchange the Michelle's in his life.

I learrned from the s/w's that her sister came in the home through an unsecured door in the garage.

Who left it unlocked.?
Michelle or the killer when they left?

I want to know why the deck planks were taken and the gallon of stain, and why the police would think that after all this time, when they went back to re~investigate thehome, that the bathroom, would have the same bloody prints would be available and I quote.....

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat [/*]

imo, they went back to measure the tile squares on the floor in order to determine if the footprints in the photos belonged to an adult or the child.

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 03:29 PM

"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

And, we wonder why this case has not been solved...

Read on........s/w's from last year.

"In reviewing additional photographs and video from the scene, stains and marks were seen that were not analyzed or clarified by the crime scene investigators.CBI.

IF the stains and or/marks are of evidentary nature, there still exists a possibility that they can be collected and analyzed."

So, do you think the clean~up crew, the families, the realtors showing the home, didn't notice IF such bloody prints still exist?

Is L E trying to say the prints are/were still there for anyone to see?

Isn't this exactly what Gojo was trying to tell us all along?

Kat

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Snipped

You're attempting to debate child custody in a case where the parent hasn't been named a POI or suspect. A complete waste of time, imo. [/*]

That is your opinion. I am entitled to mine.

Have a good day.

Amy

03-30-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by JHP

snip...

I don't think the Fishers could petition for visits until Jason is charged with a crime.
crime was, the news and LE has been extremly quiet about the facts.

....snip
[/*]

No crime has to be committed for grandparents to petition for visitation...only an estrangement.

Grandparents petition for visitation when both parents are alive. The only element necessary is that the grandparents are not being allowed to see the grandchildren.

@ least that is true in KS. The cases I know of do happen to be where the parents and grandparents are estranged for whatever reason, and the grandparents are wanting to have contact with the kids.

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

imo, they went back to measure the tile squares on the floor in order to determine if the footprints in the photos belonged to an adult or the child. [/*]

Hi JF..........Yes, I am sure they needed to make that clear, but look at the timing of this.

What if the tiles or flooring had been re~placed?

When a crime scene is released , anyone could do what they want.

If Jason felt anything pointed directly to him, he would have torn that floor up......

See, another reason, he is not guilty.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-30-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Amy

No crime has to be committed for grandparents to petition for visitation...only an estrangement.

Grandparents petition for visitation when both parents are alive. The only element necessary is that the grandparents are not being allowed to see the grandchildren.

@ least that is true in KS. The cases I know of do happen to be where the parents and grandparents are estranged for whatever reason, and the grandparents are wanting to have contact with the kids. [/*]

There has been this ongoing battle about what is going on between the families.

If LF and MF think Jason killed Michelle , whether they are vocal about it or not, please tell me how Jason is going to let them see his precious daughter, when you have complete strangers out there who want to put words in her mouth like"Daddy did it" from the 911 call?

I don't know how the Youngs and Fishers can reconcile anything until this case is solved.

I don't know how you can set up vistation under these circumstances.

And, if someone else is arrested, will the Fishers apologize and would the Youngs accept it?

Kat

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
"Our responding deputies arived @5108 Birchleaf Dr., they secured the scene, and it was processed by the city.CBI.
In the bathroom photos,one sees numerous red footprints, and while the photographs vividly detail the bathroom condition, no photographs were taken that depict a scale of measurement
that could be used in a later analysis."

So, they were going back to the home to see bloody prints a year later?

Kat [/*]

And, we wonder why this case has not been solved...

Read on........s/w's from last year.

"In reviewing additional photographs and video from the scene, stains and marks were seen that were not analyzed or clarified by the crime scene investigators.CBI.

IF the stains and or/marks are of evidentary nature, there still exists a possibility that they can be collected and analyzed."

So, do you think the clean~up crew, the families, the realtors showing the home, didn't notice IF such bloody prints still exist?

Is L E trying to say the prints are/were still there for anyone to see?

Isn't this exactly what Gojo was trying to tell us all along?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

No, I don't believe they were saying that. I think what they meant is there could be seepage into areas that aren't easily seen such as hinges, door knobs, wallpaper seams and those areas were previously analyzed.

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi JF..........Yes, I am sure they needed to make that clear, but look at the timing of this.

What if the tiles or flooring had been re~placed?

When a crime scene is released , anyone could do what they want.

If Jason felt anything pointed directly to him, he would have torn that floor up......

See, another reason, he is not guilty.

Kat [/*]

The bathroom area doesn't point to Jason, it points away from him and I think that's why LE returned. I've heard there were no bloody footprints in the hallway between the master bedroom and that bathroom. CY didn't fly herself from one room to the other, somebody carried her.

JMO

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

The bathroom area doesn't point to Jason, it points away from him and I think that's why LE returned. I've heard there were no bloody footprints in the hallway between the master bedroom and that bathroom. CY didn't fly herself from one room to the other, somebody carried her.

JMO [/*]

In your own words ... where's the link? Posting rumors is a :no:

just sayin' ... imo

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

In your own words ... where's the link? Posting rumors is a :no:

just sayin' ... imo [/*]

I said "I heard" and that it is my opinion. Not sure how much clearer I can make it. Perhaps you should scroll on by instead of attacking.

:no:

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

There has been this ongoing battle about what is going on between the families.

If LF and MF think Jason killed Michelle , whether they are vocal about it or not, please tell me how Jason is going to let them see his precious daughter, when you have complete strangers out there who want to put words in her mouth like"Daddy did it" from the 911 call?

I don't know how the Youngs and Fishers can reconcile anything until this case is solved.

I don't know how you can set up vistation under these circumstances.

And, if someone else is arrested, will the Fishers apologize and would the Youngs accept it?

Kat [/*]

I think it's pure myth. I have yet to see any links to support any of the gossip. It is a fact that Jason is the parent and only Jason decides who can see his child and no reason is required.

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I said "I heard" and that it is my opinion. Not sure how much clearer I can make it. Perhaps you should scroll on by instead of attacking.

:no: [/*]

You made it just as clear as my post that you attacked me with.

scroll on by. bye now.:no: :no:

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

You made it just as clear as my post that you attacked me with.

scroll on by. bye now.:no: :no: [/*]

I never attacked you. I merely asked you to provide links after you posted the following to me and said I needed to open my eyes. I'm still waiting for the links about returned Christmas gifts and the child being held hostage.

:seeya:

oakayfine quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by JustFacts

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

[/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO

oakayfine

03-30-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I never attacked you. I merely asked you to provide links after you posted the following to me and said I needed to open my eyes. I'm still waiting for the links about returned Christmas gifts and the child being held hostage.

:seeya:

oakayfine quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by JustFacts

I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe CY isn't being told about her mother or that others around her would be sad or uncomfortable watching home videos.

[/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Try opening your eyes; then you might see something that would indicate to the contrary. I don't call returned Christmas gifts or the Young's holding Cassidy hostage from the Fishers exactly keeping her mother's memory alive.
JMO [/*]

Ah, yes. and again we can continue to go round and round and round.
You see, you accused me of attacking you, I merely asked you for a link just as you did for me.
I was clear with my original post. Did you not see the JMO? You were clear with yours.
But trying to reason with you is like trying to reason with you ... well, somethings are just better left unsaid.

Shall we agree to continue to disagree scroll on by each other's posts?
Reading the boards for as long as I have though, I can see that you always prefer to have the last word. That is fine with me. No matter what you post, I will not respond.
I refuse to be your "catch of the day".

Have a pleasant life.

JHP

03-30-2008, 06:02 PM

Cardinal

03-30-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi JF..........Yes, I am sure they needed to make that clear, but look at the timing of this.

What if the tiles or flooring had been re~placed?

When a crime scene is released , anyone could do what they want.

If Jason felt anything pointed directly to him, he would have torn that floor up......

See, another reason, he is not guilty.

Kat [/*]

It would look pretty suspicious to tear up a perfectly good floor, no? That's not evidence at all, imo.

Cardinal

03-30-2008, 06:47 PM

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2498313/

"But Jason Young has not been there or anywhere to speak with investigators about the murder of his wife. He has not been ruled out as a suspect in her murder. "

He has NOT been ruled out as a suspect in her murder.

Link provided.

Barbara2

03-30-2008, 09:37 PM

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by JHP
I think in NC they do not have grandparents visitation. YET! Maybe this will be enough to change laws. It should be. IMO [/*]

I'm pretty sure NC has had its share of grandparents' visitation cases hashed out in the courts but what does it have to do with Michelle Young's murder?

What exactly do you mean by "this will be enough"??? Sounds pretty dire. Links would be helpful. Thanks.

JustFacts

03-30-2008, 11:25 PM

dref99

03-31-2008, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by TwoFour

I think JY's lawyers let him know early on in the case that LE would try and pin this on him. JY has forced an investigation by being smart.imo

JUSTICE fir JY and CY. :patriot: [/*]

I doubt very much that a lawyer would use the above words. What they probably would tell a client is that in the event of a missing or dead wife, the spouse is one person who will be closely examined. LE don't "pin this on" anyone. They look at the possibilities and probabilities and spouses come to the fore in this regard.

An innocent spouse tends to initially be a suspect, but an innocent spouse usually is 100% into helping solve the mystery/crime

jmo

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

No, I don't believe they were saying that. I think what they meant is there could be seepage into areas that aren't easily seen such as hinges, door knobs, wallpaper seams and those areas were previously analyzed. [/*]

But this is last Dec...13 months after the murder.!!

No one is concerned that they had to return to the home to get what should have been taught in the basics in Evidence #101 class?

Go back 13 months later to collect anything that may still be seen, like someone did not paint, or make home improvements?

The walls that were splattered with blood had to be repainted, not much evidence left there.

This case is so sad.
:(
Kat

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by dref99

I doubt very much that a lawyer would use the above words. What they probably would tell a client is that in the event of a missing or dead wife, the spouse is one person who will be closely examined. LE don't "pin this on" anyone. They look at the possibilities and probabilities and spouses come to the fore in this regard.

An innocent spouse tends to initially be a suspect, but an innocent spouse usually is 100% into helping solve the mystery/crime

jmo [/*]

This isn't a case of a missing person.

Considering the fact that remaining silent is a constitutional right, it's not at all unusual that a lawyer would advise a client to assert it.

jmo

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But this is last Dec...13 months after the murder.!!

No one is concerned that they had to return to the home to get what should have been taught in the basics in Evidence #101 class?

Go back 13 months later to collect anything that may still be seen, like someone did not paint, or make home improvements?

The walls that were splattered with blood had to be repainted, not much evidence left there.

This case is so sad.
:(
Kat [/*]

It is a sad case. I imagine they failed to do a lot of the basics because they were focused only on Jason.

alter ego

03-31-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal
http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2498313/

"But Jason Young has not been there or anywhere to speak with investigators about the murder of his wife. He has not been ruled out as a suspect in her murder. "

He has NOT been ruled out as a suspect in her murder.

Link provided. [/*]That is a biased reporter making that statement, not LE.

alter ego

03-31-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by dref99

I doubt very much that a lawyer would use the above words. What they probably would tell a client is that in the event of a missing or dead wife, the spouse is one person who will be closely examined. LE don't "pin this on" anyone. They look at the possibilities and probabilities and spouses come to the fore in this regard.

An innocent spouse tends to initially be a suspect, but an innocent spouse usually is 100% into helping solve the mystery/crime

jmo [/*]Nifong did indeed try to pin a crime on innocent young men. If you are implying that LE does not engage in misconduct in securing wrongful convictions, you would be be incorrect.

Exactly. An innocent spouse USUALLY is 100% into helping solve the mystery/crime.

USUALLY.

Not every spouse deemed cooperative is innocent and not every spouse deemed 'uncooperative' is guilty.

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
That is a biased reporter making that statement, not LE. [/*]

Tabloid reporting at its worst, imo.

alter ego

03-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Tabloid reporting at its worst, imo. [/*]Amen to that!

I still can't get over his idiocy of headlining that Jason is named suspect! just because a standard legal form refers to Jason as the named suspect for purposes of that particular legal document.

There was a collective cringe in the journalistic world when he put that gem out on the web.

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Amen to that!

I still can't get over his idiocy of headlining that Jason is named suspect! just because a standard legal form refers to Jason as the named suspect for purposes of that particular legal document.

There was a collective cringe in the journalistic world when he put that gem out on the web. [/*]

I think it was more laughter than cringe. The lame attempt to pass off that form as some type of justification for libel is a boneheaded move that will mean $$$$$ for Jason once an arrest of someone else is made.

That standard legal form didn't name Jason a suspect. The form itself was called Adult Suspect. Apparently another form is used for Juveniles. LOL

JMO

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by TwoFour

I agree. The key to these cases is to not get sucked in by the media, the media just assumes you are Guilty so there is noting to gain at all. The best thing you could do is be ready to win your case in a courtroom by getting together with your legal team. IMO:patriot: [/*]

An even better idea if you're innocent is to never step into a courtroom. Nearly 17 months later and Jason still hasn't been named a POI, suspect nor been arrested. His attorney must know best, huh?

LOL

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by scout

The form is a Nontestimonial Identification Order for an Adult Suspect. The person named on the form is Jason Lynn Young.

Specifically, the form advises Jason Lynn Young of the following:

There are reasonable grounds to suspect that you committed the offense and that the results of the procedures ordered here will be of material aid in determining whether you committed the offense. The grounds to believe that an offense has been committed, to suspect that you committed it, and to believe thay this Order will be of material aid in confirming or negating the suspicion, are stated in the attached application and affidavit.

Sounds like affiant and the court consider him a suspect. [/*]

Maybe to you it does but a journalist is educated to understand libel has consequences and there is a difference between being the focus of an investigation and being named by LE as a suspect. LE has never named Jason Young a suspect.

The most recent news articles from news organizations that have to abide by a journalistic code of ethics haven't made such a libelous blunder.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5964617

>> As for Jason Young, Sheriff Donnie Harrison says Young has not been named a suspect <<

dearfriend

03-31-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by scout

snipped

Sounds like affiant and the court consider him a suspect. [/*]

Yes.
:rose: Michelle
:rose: her children
:rose: HER family

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by scout

My comment referred to the wording of the NTIO, not what has been reported by the media. You misrepresented the NTIO. I corrected you. [/*]

You are confused. I never mentioned the wording on the NTIO in the post I directed at alter ego, who is well aware the wording doesn't call Jason a "suspect." The phrase "reasonable grounds to suspect" is used

This phrase was also used:

>>this Order will be of material aid in confirming or negating the suspicion <<

It is a fact that LE has had the results of the Order for over a year and Jason Young still has not been named a suspect by LE.

:read:

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

What would the Fisher's have to apologize for???!!!?!?!?!? [/*]

Has anyone ever wondered why Jason took C to see her maternal grandfather?
Sounds like they get along, huh?

Maybe there were bad feelings between Jason and LF long before this happened, and maybe since she does not seem to be supporting him, although not publicy accusing him either, I am sure there is some tension there.

Everyone likes to talk bad about the Youngs all the time , and how Jason lives off his family, so C will have some normalcy in her life, but no one mentions how another member of the Fisher family has been living off people for years.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
That is a biased reporter making that statement, not LE. [/*]

Hi AE.:waving:

Even the latest s/w's have failed to produce an arrest.

:shrug:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You are confused. I never mentioned the wording on the NTIO in the post I directed at alter ego, who is well aware the wording doesn't call Jason a "suspect." The phrase "reasonable grounds to suspect" is used

This phrase was also used:

>>this Order will be of material aid in confirming or negating the suspicion <<

It is a fact that LE has had the results of the Order for over a year and Jason Young still has not been named a suspect by LE.

:read: [/*]

The same order can be used to clear or eliminate someone.
I wonder what was in all that stuff that was left at the crime scene, that did not match Jason.

The same something that took them back to the home 13 months later , when they decided to take measurements.

Unbelievable, and sad.

Kat

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Has anyone ever wondered why Jason took C to see her maternal grandfather?
Sounds like they get along, huh?

Maybe there were bad feelings between Jason and LF long before this happened, and maybe since she does not seem to be supporting him, although not publicy accusing him either, I am sure there is some tension there.

Everyone likes to talk bad about the Youngs all the time , and how Jason lives off his family, so C will have some normalcy in her life, but no one mentions how another member of the Fisher family has been living off people for years.

Kat [/*]

As is being done with Blake Davis and which grandparents he visits, I think a therapist is guiding Jason's decisions about who his daughter should see and not see. Ned Davis isn't happy he isn't allowed to see his daughter's child but that's just the way it is. The best interests of the child trump a grandparent's interest.

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by scout

Have patience, Kat. [/*]

People that were impatient gave up on this case long ago and moved on to others, I have lots of patience although if this were a simple the husbanddidit, it would have been long over.

It may even have a surprize ending we never saw coming. well, maybe some of us did.

Kat

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

The same order can be used to clear or eliminate someone.
I wonder what was in all that stuff that was left at the crime scene, that did not match Jason.

The same something that took them back to the home 13 months later , when they decided to take measurements.

Unbelievable, and sad.

Kat [/*]

I think it is probably a print and they can't find the owner. It really is sad. The owner of the print is probably in Mexico by now. I also think they'll move forward on the evidence they do have and present the two-killer theory.

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

As is being done with Blake Davis and which grandparents he visits, I think a therapist is guiding Jason's decisions about who his daughter should see and not see. Ned Davis isn't happy he isn't allowed to see his daughter's child but that's just the way it is. The best interests of the child trump a grandparent's interest. [/*]

Good point, the needs of C should surmount all others.

As she gets older, she can decide who she wants to see and who is in her life.

For now, she needs to be loved and protected, and that is Jason's job.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I think it is probably a print and they can't find the owner. It really is sad. The owner of the print is probably in Mexico by now. I also think they'll move forward on the evidence they do have and present the two-killer theory. [/*]

I was curious when on the s/w, the word PALM PRINTS specifically was written in.

And, the fingernail clippings of Michelle were bagged and saved, surely if they had Jason's DNA, there would not even be a need to discuss the case.

Nope, something points to stranger, or someone else.

Kat

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Good point, the needs of C should surmount all others.

As she gets older, she can decide who she wants to see and who is in her life.

For now, she needs to be loved and protected, and that is Jason's job.

Kat [/*]

If he needs to enlist a court's help in ensuring his daughter's protection, I sure hope he does so. Sometimes these high profile cases attract wackos who show up unannounced. JMO

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I was curious when on the s/w, the word PALM PRINTS specifically was written in.

And, the fingernail clippings of Michelle were bagged and saved, surely if they had Jason's DNA, there would not even be a need to discuss the case.

Nope, something points to stranger, or someone else.

Kat [/*]

ITA. LE stopped short of describing the scene but they did give the impression Michelle put up a fight.

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 06:38 PM

Just Facts.

That's why it is even more important that Jason stay close to his family.

Some people think he should move back in Birchleaf, or get an app't for him and C, and take her away from the security she has finally established.

I hope she remembers Michelle and is surrounded with love, and I hope she had a wonderful 4th birthday.

Kat/QUOTE]

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

People that were impatient gave up on this case long ago and moved on to others, I have lots of patience although if this were a simple the husbanddidit, it would have been long over.

It may even have a surprize ending we never saw coming. well, maybe some of us did.

Kat [/*]

I think very few people will be suprised when Jason Young is arrested for the murder of his wife. Those who are, will only be surprised because they've ignored the preponderance of the evidence.

JMO

MyThoughts

03-31-2008, 06:49 PM

Marcia3

03-31-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think very few people will be suprised when Jason Young is arrested for the murder of his wife. Those who are, will only be surprised because they've ignored the preponderance of the evidence.

JMO [/*]

Cardinal, you are so often right...this is no exception.

Sometimes things are just as they seem, IMO...

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Cardinal, you are so often right...this is no exception.

Sometimes things are just as they seem, IMO... [/*]

Hi, Marcia, nice to see you! :seeya:

I continue to be amazed at those who resort to far-reaching theories to explain the murder of Michelle Young. You are so right... sometimes things are just as they seem.

JMO

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
Just Facts.

That's why it is even more important that Jason stay close to his family.

Some people think he should move back in Birchleaf, or get an app't for him and C, and take her away from the security she has finally established.

I hope she remembers Michelle and is surrounded with love, and I hope she had a wonderful 4th birthday.

Kat/QUOTE] [/*]

I'm sure it was a happy day.

If I were in his shoes I'd do the same thing. I sure wouldn't move back into the crime scene prior to the arrest of the killer. The child is a witness and her protection has to be a priority.

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm sure it was a happy day.

If I were in his shoes I'd do the same thing. I sure wouldn't move back into the crime scene prior to the arrest of the killer. The child is a witness and her protection has to be a priority. [/*]

IMO, the fact that the child is a witness is the reason she was taken so far away from her home. Those who would be concerned about what she might have witnessed seem determined to keep her isolated.

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Cardinal, you are so often right...this is no exception.

Sometimes things are just as they seem, IMO... [/*]

If this is no exception then why has it been 17 months and LE still refuses to call Jason Young a POI or suspect?

Sometimes things are just as they seem including a preponderance of evidence that is merely a figment of someone's imagination.

jmo

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

If this is no exception then why has it been 17 months and LE still refuses to call Jason Young a POI or suspect?

Sometimes things are just as they seem including a preponderance of evidence that is merely a figment of someone's imagination.

jmo [/*]

I wouldn't presume to speak for LE. However, the fact that Jason Young has not formally been named a suspect or POI in this case is not at all indicative of innocence, imo.

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 07:28 PM

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

What evidence?

Kat [/*]

Is that a serious question? Or is this post designed to prove my point regarding ignorance of a preponderance of the evidence?

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

IMO, the fact that the child is a witness is the reason she was taken so far away from her home. Those who would be concerned about what she might have witnessed seem determined to keep her isolated. [/*]

I think C slept through the nite .
Why would anyone try to put her in danger by saying she saw something?
When Jason came to pick her up or the first time she saw him, she would have reacted in horror if she seen him kill her Mother.

That did not happen, why?
And, why would she not be fearful of him, to this day?
And why would LE continue to let her be near him?

Kat

alter ego

03-31-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think very few people will be suprised when Jason Young is arrested for the murder of his wife. Those who are, will only be surprised because they've ignored the preponderance of the evidence.

JMO [/*]What "preponderance of the evidence" are you talking about?

The RUMORS put forth as some kind of fact?

Or the preponderance of evidence that has kept WCSO from being able to solve the case?

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Is that a serious question? Or is this post designed to prove my point regarding ignorance of a preponderance of the evidence? [/*]

Evidence that clearly points to a killer.(s)
Blood, murder weapon, busted alibi, scratches or bruises ,identifiable prints.= evidence.

Kat

alter ego

03-31-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Is that a serious question? Or is this post designed to prove my point regarding ignorance of a preponderance of the evidence? [/*]You think you know more than WCSO and the DA?

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
You think you know more than WCSO and the DA? [/*]

No, I don't. I think they know a great deal more than I do. And since I know enough to believe Jason Young guilty of the murder of his wife...............

Kat4Eagles

03-31-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

No, I don't. I think they know a great deal more than I do. And since I know enough to believe Jason Young guilty of the murder of his wife............... [/*]

But, clearly not enough., right?

Kat

alter ego

03-31-2008, 07:43 PM

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
oH, I thought you were talking about the preponderance of evidence and not your beliefs. [/*]

Did you deliberately misinterpret my post, or did you simply not understand it?

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 07:51 PM

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Please provide a link to support your claim the child is isolated. Thanks. [/*]

Did you miss the "IMO"? It stands for "In My Opinion". As I understand your previous posts on this thread, opinions do not require links.

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I think C slept through the nite .
Why would anyone try to put her in danger by saying she saw something?
When Jason came to pick her up or the first time she saw him, she would have reacted in horror if she seen him kill her Mother.

That did not happen, why?
And, why would she not be fearful of him, to this day?
And why would LE continue to let her be near him?

Kat [/*]

Exactly right, Kat!! I don't believe C witnessed the murder.

But if she wasn't alone after she awakened the next day and did things such as watch movies and eat candy, I think she'd talk about it.

JMO

alter ego

03-31-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Did you deliberately misinterpret my post, or did you simply not understand it? [/*]I misrepresented nothing.
Originally posted by Cardinal
Is that a serious question? Or is this post designed to prove my point regarding ignorance of a preponderance of the evidence?

Originally posted by alter ego
You think you know more than WCSO and the DA?
Originally posted by Cardinal
No, I don't. I think they know a great deal more than I do. And since I know enough to believe Jason Young guilty of the murder of his wife...............

Originally posted by alter ego
oH, I thought you were talking about the preponderance of evidence and not your beliefs

The Sheriff has this case listed as UNSOLVED. The DA has not presented to a GJ. Yet you claim there is 'preponderance of evidence' and then state it is your BELIEF that Jason is guilty.:shrug:

alter ego

03-31-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Did you miss the "IMO"? It stands for "In My Opinion". As I understand your previous posts on this thread, opinions do not require links. [/*]But you said 'the FACT'....

Please show when this was proven to be a 'fact'.

tia!

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 08:03 PM

I hope the 3 of you enjoy each other on your own personal thread. :seeya:

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Did you miss the "IMO"? It stands for "In My Opinion". As I understand your previous posts on this thread, opinions do not require links. [/*]

Here's your post. It isn't a fact that the child was taken so far from her home. Numerous media have reported her home has been and still is with her father. The media haven't reported she's isolated. Maybe Coldwater needs to drop by and remind you about libel.

Originally posted by Cardinal

IMO, the fact that the child is a witness is the reason she was taken so far away from her home. Those who would be concerned about what she might have witnessed seem determined to keep her isolated. [/*]

Cardinal

03-31-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Here's your post. It isn't a fact that the child was taken so far from her home. Numerous media have reported her home has been and still is with her father. The media haven't reported she's isolated. Maybe Coldwater needs to drop by and remind you about libel.

Originally posted by Cardinal

IMO, the fact that the child is a witness is the reason she was taken so far away from her home. Those who would be concerned about what she might have witnessed seem determined to keep her isolated. [/*] [/*]

If I hear that from CW, I will respect it. Hearing it from you...not.

oakayfine

03-31-2008, 09:42 PM

I'm confused. Which one is it? Is Cassie a witness or is she not?

You are spinning .... AGAIN. JMO

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm sure it was a happy day.

If I were in his shoes I'd do the same thing. I sure wouldn't move back into the crime scene prior to the arrest of the killer. The child is a witness and her protection has to be a priority. [/*]

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QUOTE]Originally posted by JustFacts

Exactly right, Kat!! I don't believe C witnessed the murder.

But if she wasn't alone after she awakened the next day and did things such as watch movies and eat candy, I think she'd talk about it.

JMO [/*][/QUOTE]

alter ego

03-31-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine
I'm confused. Which one is it? Is Cassie a witness or is she not?

You are spinning .... AGAIN. JMO

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QUOTE]Originally posted by JustFacts

Exactly right, Kat!! I don't believe C witnessed the murder.

But if she wasn't alone after she awakened the next day and did things such as watch movies and eat candy, I think she'd talk about it.

JMO [/*] [/*][/QUOTE]
C would not have to be a witness to the murder to be a witness as to who was in the house that night and what transpired in the morning. :read:

JustFacts

03-31-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
[/*]
C would not have to be a witness to the murder to be a witness as to who was in the house that night and what transpired in the morning. :read: [/*][/QUOTE]

That's the point I was trying to make and you did it much better. Thanks.

:beer:

Cardinal

04-01-2008, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by alter ego
[/*]
C would not have to be a witness to the murder to be a witness as to who was in the house that night and what transpired in the morning. :read: [/*][/QUOTE]

That was my point too. IF CY saw something that night/morning that would incriminate JY, it would explain why CY is, IN MY OPINION, being kept isolated in western NC.

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 01:09 PM

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

C would not have to be a witness to the murder to be a witness as to who was in the house that night and what transpired in the morning. :read: [/*]

That was my point too. IF CY saw something that night/morning that would incriminate JY, it would explain why CY is, IN MY OPINION, being kept isolated in western NC. [/*][/QUOTE]

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How is C being "isolated" when she attends day care or nursery school?

How was C being "isolated" when Jason took her to see her maternal grandfather?

If C is being "isolated" from LF or MF, it is probably because Jason and the rest of the Fisher family are not getting along, so why put C in the middle of that?

Jason has more rights to C than her grandmother or aunt, he is her father, and nothing is ever going to change that.
He gets to decide who she sees, when , where, and if even such a meeting should take place.

Not them, sorry!!, but that is the law and how it works.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That was my point too. IF CY saw something that night/morning that would incriminate JY, it would explain why CY is, IN MY OPINION, being kept isolated in western NC. [/*]

Apparently CY didn't see something that incriminates JY or she wouldn't be living with him. If rumors are true, she's being isolated from the aunt who made the 911 call, which I believe is very incriminating.

Blake Davis was isolated from his father after he made incriminating comments. No surprise there. [/*][/QUOTE]
______________________________________________
Hi JF,

If C had witnessed Jason killing Michelle, she would have reacted in horror, or terror, just like someone should when they find a dead body.

On one hand, people think C was articulate enough to say
"Daddy did it", but not intelligent enough to scream in fear when she sees her father for the first time afterwards.

Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Apparently CY didn't see something that incriminates JY or she wouldn't be living with him. If rumors are true, she's being isolated from the aunt who made the 911 call, which I believe is very incriminating.

Blake Davis was isolated from his father after he made incriminating comments. No surprise there. [/*]
______________________________________________
Hi JF,

If C had witnessed Jason killing Michelle, she would have reacted in horror, or terror, just like someone should when they find a dead body.

On one hand, people think C was articulate enough to say
"Daddy did it", but not intelligent enough to scream in fear when she sees her father for the first time afterwards.

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

Hi, Kat!

I think she also would have articulated it to the cops who arrived within minutes of her alledged "excited utterance" on the 911 call.

What she experienced in those hours before the 911 call has to be of interest to the cops. Didn't the Sheriff say as much?

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 02:45 PM

[

Hi, Kat!

I think she also would have articulated it to the cops who arrived within minutes of her alledged "excited utterance" on the 911 call.

What she experienced in those hours before the 911 call has to be of interest to the cops. Didn't the Sheriff say as much? [/*]
[/QUOTE]

__________________________________________
Does the nice pre~grilling she got from her Aunt count too.?

Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[

Hi, Kat!

I think she also would have articulated it to the cops who arrived within minutes of her alledged "excited utterance" on the 911 call.

What she experienced in those hours before the 911 call has to be of interest to the cops. Didn't the Sheriff say as much? [/*]

__________________________________________
Does the nice pre~grilling she got from her Aunt count too.?

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]
______________________________________________
edited to add a line. I guess the quote feature has a glitch....

You mean the leading questions captured on the 911 call? Anything linked to the murder that has been said or done can be used against a defendant at trial.

I think the entire call has been sliced and diced and that's why the cops went back to measure those footprints in the bathroom.

Danica

04-01-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Good point, the needs of C should surmount all others.

As she gets older, she can decide who she wants to see and who is in her life.

For now, she needs to be loved and protected, and that is Jason's job.

Kat [/*]
Good point, the needs of Cassidy should be the priority, and her needs include the love, reassurance and comfort of Linda Fisher and Meredith and Alan Fisher, 3 people who are the closest thing to Michelle possible. To have her mom and all of her moms' family ripped from her life, change homes, towns, schools, and friends in a matter of months has to be the most traumatic thing imagineable for her. Why would her dad and his family make life even more disruptive and scarey for her when she already had just lost her mom completely, overnight ? There is only one reason, and that must be to make her forget, it's like brainwashing. Complete trauma followed by more trauma, and she prolly would begin blocking all of it out. Namely whatever she saw in her home Nov. 3 06 Good thing Linda and Meredith finally said the hell with this, and paid her a long overdue visit. I hope something can be done legally for Cassidy and Linda and the Fishers. Poor baby. It makes you wonder what all she did see, because JY is sure going overboard keeping her from all the familiar people and places in her life.

justice for michelle :rose:

Danica

04-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

__________________________________________
Does the nice pre~grilling she got from her Aunt count too.?

Kat [/*]
______________________________________________
edited to add a line. I guess the quote feature has a glitch....

You mean the leading questions captured on the 911 call? Anything linked to the murder that has been said or done can be used against a defendant at trial.

I think the entire call has been sliced and diced and that's why the cops went back to measure those footprints in the bathroom. [/*][/QUOTE]

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Or it's possible they went back to measure those tiles in the bathroom (footprints ? Lol at this late date ?) just like they stated in the search warrant they planned on doing ! You remember,
somehow when the pictures were first taken there were no photos of the size of the tiles to use for a scale ? Yea so hey Kat, what "pre grilling was that by her Aunt ?" I must have missed it, thanks...

justice for michelle :rose:

alter ego

04-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Good point, the needs of Cassidy should be the priority, and her needs include the love, reassurance and comfort of Linda Fisher and Meredith and Alan Fisher, 3 people who are the closest thing to Michelle possible. To have her mom and all of her moms' family ripped from her life, change homes, towns, schools, and friends in a matter of months has to be the most traumatic thing imagineable for her. Why would her dad and his family make life even more disruptive and scarey for her when she already had just lost her mom completely, overnight ? There is only one reason, and that must be to make her forget, it's like brainwashing. Complete trauma followed by more trauma, and she prolly would begin blocking all of it out. Namely whatever she saw in her home Nov. 3 06 Good thing Linda and Meredith finally said the hell with this, and paid her a long overdue visit. I hope something can be done legally for Cassidy and Linda and the Fishers. Poor baby. It makes you wonder what all she did see, because JY is sure going overboard keeping her from all the familiar people and places in her life.

justice for michelle :rose: [/*]

How was 'all of her mom's family' ripped from her life? Just how much time did Michelle's mom spend with C prior to Michelle's murder?

School? What school do 2 year old's attend? Just how attached to her 'hometown' do you think a 2 yo can get?

A bit over dramatic and overboard in 'concern' over a young girl who has her father and his family in her life.

Good grief!

alter ego

04-01-2008, 03:24 PM

alter ego

04-01-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That's the point I was trying to make and you did it much better. Thanks.

:beer: [/*]

Anytime :beer:

Danica

04-01-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

How was 'all of her mom's family' ripped from her life? Just how much time did Michelle's mom spend with C prior to Michelle's murder?

School? What school do 2 year old's attend? Just how attached to her 'hometown' do you think a 2 yo can get?

A bit over dramatic and overboard in 'concern' over a young girl who has her father and his family in her life.

Good grief! [/*]

Geez, where have you been ? "All of her moms' family was ripped from her life" when her mother was brutally murdered, and her dad moved her immediately 5 hours from her home in Raleigh and her Aunt Meredith. And even further from New York where her grandmother and grandfather lived. and stopped visitation with Linda and Cassidy. Did you not see the televised interview where Linda Fisher states that she hopes Cassidy can be back in her life soimeday, soon ? I won't be searching out the links for you because IIFC you've already analyzed this to the bone back when the interview was given. And "school, what school ?", boy you really do have short term memory huh ? She had been attending pre-school up to the time of her moms death in Raleigh for quite some time, duh ?? And a little girl of nearly 3, is IMO very attached to her parents, grandparents, her home, her bedroom, her dog, her toys, her EVERYDAY life, her preschool and I don't feel I'm one bit over dramatic about it. You seem under the norm for human compassion, and motherly love to me.

justice for michelle :rose:

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:40 PM

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

That was my point too. IF CY saw something that night/morning that would incriminate JY, it would explain why CY is, IN MY OPINION, being kept isolated in western NC. [/*]
So WSCO was inept in their duties in quizzing C to find out what she may have witnessed?

Isolated? How is C being 'isolated'? [/*][/QUOTE]
__________________________________________________ __
I'm not sure the child's aunt allowed her to be interviewed by WCSO. :shrug:

Danica

04-01-2008, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

ITA. Indeed, all the tirades and drama isn't healthy for any child and would be an excellent reason to refuse her to be around such people. jmo

jmo [/*]

Tirades and drama ? Oh you must mean the actions of JY and the Youngs ? Yes, it is pretty dramatic and traumatic to cut a 4 year old girl off from her dead mothers family right after her mom dies. And, yes it is pretty unhealthy to take every familiar thing known to the girl away and out of her life and not let her have the comfort of her moms mother in her life, while she is adjusting to such a terrible change and LOSS in her life. That would be an excellent reason to refuse her around such people as the Youngs and Jason, I finally agree with you

justice for michelle :rose:

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Geez, where have you been ? "All of her moms' family was ripped from her life" when her mother was brutally murdered, and her dad moved her immediately 5 hours from her home in Raleigh and her Aunt Meredith. And even further from New York where her grandmother and grandfather lived. and stopped visitation with Linda and Cassidy. Did you not see the televised interview where Linda Fisher states that she hopes Cassidy can be back in her life soimeday, soon ? I won't be searching out the links for you because IIFC you've already analyzed this to the bone back when the interview was given. And "school, what school ?", boy you really do have short term memory huh ? She had been attending pre-school up to the time of her moms death in Raleigh for quite some time, duh ?? And a little girl of nearly 3, is IMO very attached to her parents, grandparents, her home, her bedroom, her dog, her toys, her EVERYDAY life, her preschool and I don't feel I'm one bit over dramatic about it. You seem under the norm for human compassion, and motherly love to me.

justice for michelle :rose: [/*]

The child still has her bedroom, toys, dog, everyday life. :rolleyes:

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Tirades and drama ? Oh you must mean the actions of JY and the Youngs ? Yes, it is pretty dramatic and traumatic to cut a 4 year old girl off from her dead mothers family right after her mom dies. And, yes it is pretty unhealthy to take every familiar thing known to the girl away and out of her life and not let her have the comfort of her moms mother in her life, while she is adjusting to such a terrible change and LOSS in her life. That would be an excellent reason to refuse her around such people as the Youngs and Jason, I finally agree with you

justice for michelle :rose: [/*]

got a link to all these "actions" you keep claiming the Youngs have taken?

You seem to have an agenda of Young-bashing and it has nothing to do with justice for michelle.

jmo

Danica

04-01-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

The child still has her bedroom, toys, dog, everyday life. :rolleyes: [/*]

No she doesn't, she shares a home with her aunt, uncle, dad and sometimes with her grandma and dad. Not her home, not her bedroom, not her town, not her anything. All new, all unfamiliar, and all at a time when the biggest thing missing of all was HER MOM. Then they followed that up with NO GRANDMA FISHER NO AUNT MEREDITH. Nice

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by Danica

No she doesn't, she shares a home with her aunt, uncle, dad and sometimes with her grandma and dad. Not her home, not her bedroom, not her town, not her anything. All new, all unfamiliar, and all at a time when the biggest thing missing of all was HER MOM. Then they followed that up with NO GRANDMA FISHER NO AUNT MEREDITH. Nice [/*]

your linkless tirades aren't very nice.

:seeya:

Danica

04-01-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

got a link to all these "actions" you keep claiming the Youngs have taken?

You seem to have an agenda of Young-bashing and it has nothing to do with justice for michelle.

jmo [/*]

No bashing of the Youngs, I am merely commenting on how heartless it is of them to keep Cassidy from her Grandma, Michelles mom. That is my opinion and if you don't like it, or you don't have a reasonable argument why this is not awful treatment of a 4 year old girl, whose mom has been murdered then you have the Agenda, and it has NOTHING to do with justice for Michelle.

Danica

04-01-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

your linkless tirades aren't very nice.

:seeya: [/*]

There are plenty of links to back up what I am posting, go look for them. I am not throwing a tirade, don't misrepresent my posts, I am stating my opinion about the cruel treatment of a little girl who has lost her mom to murder and been kept from her maternal grandma for 17 months. The first 17 months of life without a mother I might add. Where's your heart ?

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Danica

No bashing of the Youngs, I am merely commenting on how heartless it is of them to keep Cassidy from her Grandma, Michelles mom. That is my opinion and if you don't like it, or you don't have a reasonable argument why this is not awful treatment of a 4 year old girl, whose mom has been murdered then you have the Agenda, and it has NOTHING to do with justice for Michelle. [/*]

huh? you weren't stating it as your opinion, you were stating it as fact.

I don't know for certain that the Youngs are keeping Cassidy from anyone. The bottom line is that it is her father's decision who she sees. It is no different to me than Blake Davis not seeing his mother's dad. Decisions are supposed to be made in the best interest of the child and until you provide me with a link that indicates the child's best interests aren't being served, I'll stand by my opinion that they are.

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

__________________________________________
Does the nice pre~grilling she got from her Aunt count too.?

Kat [/*]
______________________________________________
edited to add a line. I guess the quote feature has a glitch....

You mean the leading questions captured on the 911 call? Anything linked to the murder that has been said or done can be used against a defendant at trial.

I think the entire call has been sliced and diced and that's why the cops went back to measure those footprints in the bathroom. [/*][/QUOTE]
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Sorry, JF........I did have problems with the quote feature, let me try again..:)

I am sure L E has listened to the call repeatedly , had it audio enhanced for whispers /background noises, but I bet the biggest part they keep shaking their heads over, in the war room, is how could someone fail to take in the bloodiest crime scene they had seen in years?

<~~still shaking my head too.

Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

______________________________________________
edited to add a line. I guess the quote feature has a glitch....

You mean the leading questions captured on the 911 call? Anything linked to the murder that has been said or done can be used against a defendant at trial.

I think the entire call has been sliced and diced and that's why the cops went back to measure those footprints in the bathroom. [/*]
************************************************** **

Sorry, JF........I did have problems with the quote feature, let me try again..:)

I am sure L E has listened to the call repeatedly , had it audio enhanced for whispers /background noises, but I bet the biggest part they keep shaking their heads over, in the war room, is how could someone fail to take in the bloodiest crime they had seen in years?

<~~still shaking my head too.

Kat [/*][/QUOTE]

I think the comment about the place not looking as it usually did had quite a few heads shaking.

Danica

04-01-2008, 04:38 PM

snipped from JustFacts *

*"and until you provide me with a link that indicates the child's best interests aren't being served, I'll stand by my opinion that they are."

You are quite capable of finding these articles and videos yourself, you don't need me to do it for you. They've been linked a million times by all kinds of posters on alot of boards, including this one. Demanding a link to something most of us have already had the links too and discussed in depth these very topics is a waste of my time. You'll have to do the research yourself. The tv show nc wanted has aired segments where you can see for yourself Linda Fisher stating what I have posted here. And by the way, whatever your opinion is you should most definitely stand by it, until you educate yourself on this case that is.

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Danica

There are plenty of links to back up what I am posting, go look for them. I am not throwing a tirade, don't misrepresent my posts, I am stating my opinion about the cruel treatment of a little girl who has lost her mom to murder and been kept from her maternal grandma for 17 months. The first 17 months of life without a mother I might add. Where's your heart ? [/*]

But, that would depend on which side you believe...
First, LF said there was no contact, then someone posted that they had pics of such a visit.
I am not sure everything out of the Fisher camp should be taken at face value, when you refuse to do the same for the Young camp.

And, until the families can find a way to fix it, what can anyone do?

Bottom line......Jason Young is C's daddy.......and that has to be respected above all else, because he and he alone represent C's best interests.

Not a grandmother or an aunt.

Although, he made sure Alan saw her,

Strange, huh?

Kat

Danica

04-01-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But, that would depend on which side you believe...
First, LF said there was no contact, then someone posted that they had pics of such a visit.
I am not sure everything out of the Fisher camp should be taken at face value, when you refuse to do the same for the Young camp.

And, until the families can find a way to fix it, what can anyone do?

Bottom line......Jason Young is C's daddy.......and that has to be respected above all else, because he and he alone represent C's best interests.

Not a grandmother or an aunt.

Although, he made sure Alan saw her,

Strange, huh?

Kat [/*]

I tend to believe Linda Fisher during a televised interview over what someone posts as fact on any message board. And its a matter of opinion if JY is representing Cassidys' best interest. I have made it pretty clear that I do not believe he is doing that in the least. I won'[t re-run it again, just scroll up Kat and it might help you if you check out some articles and tv interviews and tv shows about this case. jmo

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Danica
snipped from JustFacts *

*"and until you provide me with a link that indicates the child's best interests aren't being served, I'll stand by my opinion that they are."

You are quite capable of finding these articles and videos yourself, you don't need me to do it for you. They've been linked a million times by all kinds of posters on alot of boards, including this one. Demanding a link to something most of us have already had the links too and discussed in depth these very topics is a waste of my time. You'll have to do the research yourself. The tv show nc wanted has aired segments where you can see for yourself Linda Fisher stating what I have posted here. And by the way, whatever your opinion is you should most definitely stand by it, until you educate yourself on this case that is. [/*]

I have seen no article or video that indicates the child's best interests are NOT being served and that's why I have asked for links. I've certainly not seen any video of Linda Fisher saying the child's best interests are not being met.

Your unwillingness to produce such a link leads me to conclude no such link exists.

jmo

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

But, that would depend on which side you believe...
First, LF said there was no contact, then someone posted that they had pics of such a visit.
I am not sure everything out of the Fisher camp should be taken at face value, when you refuse to do the same for the Young camp.

And, until the families can find a way to fix it, what can anyone do?

Bottom line......Jason Young is C's daddy.......and that has to be respected above all else, because he and he alone represent C's best interests.

Not a grandmother or an aunt.

Although, he made sure Alan saw her,

Strange, huh?

Kat [/*]
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I've never seen or heard Linda Fisher say she's not being allowed to see the child or that she believes the child's best interests are not being served. Have you seen anything? Doesn't Linda Fisher live in New York? It's not unreasonable to assume geography might play a part in the frequency of visits.

JMO

Danica

04-01-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

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I've never seen or heard Linda Fisher say she's not being allowed to see the child or that she believes the child's best interests are not being served. Have you seen anything? Doesn't Linda Fisher live in New York? It's not unreasonable to assume geography might play a part in the frequency of visits.

JMO [/*]

Like I suggested, go to the NCWanted Site and READ the interview with LINDA FISHER. Geez, are you really this lame, or just having a SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW day today ? And I am wondering if you do read this interview, and find her to say exactly what I have posted THEN will you agree that it is NOT in Cassidys best interest to be kept from her maternal Grandmothers love and comfort and memories of her mother ?

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Danica

I tend to believe Linda Fisher during a televised interview over what someone posts as fact on any message board. And its a matter of opinion if JY is representing Cassidys' best interest. I have made it pretty clear that I do not believe he is doing that in the least. I won'[t re-run it again, just scroll up Kat and it might help you if you check out some articles and tv interviews and tv shows about this case. jmo [/*]

If there were any problems with the way C is being raised, I am sure the day care center would be right on it and alert any of the proper agencies.

I have read most , if not all, articles surrounding this case, and over the weekend I even read all the contents of the s/w's .
(those that are available)

Kat

Danica

04-01-2008, 05:07 PM

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/1994826/

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Like I suggested, go to the NCWanted Site and READ the interview with LINDA FISHER. Geez, are you really this lame, or just having a SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW day today ? And I am wondering if you do read this interview, and find her to say exactly what I have posted THEN will you agree that it is NOT in Cassidys best interest to be kept from her maternal Grandmothers love and comfort and memories of her mother ? [/*]

So, what exactly is the solution?

If LF feels JY killed her daughter, how do you reconcile the fact that he is going to let her see C, at least at this time.?

Maybe both sides should just wait it out.

As long as C is being taken care of and loved, isn't that what most grandmothers would want for their grandchildren?

I don't see the problem, and I really don't see a solution, unless we know all the facts that played into this decision.

And, not to be mean, but how is it our business?
The purpose of the Board is to discuss a murder, not child visitation rights.

Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 05:12 PM

Danica

04-01-2008, 05:15 PM

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/1994492/

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/video/1994826/

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/image/1994499/

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/1994222/

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by TwoFour

It's just a desperate angle to try and smear JY. I have no doubt in my mind that he would win any case against him.:patriot: It's pure desperation. IMO [/*]

I'll not hold my breath waiting for links, that's for sure.

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

So, what exactly is the solution?

If LF feels JY killed her daughter, how do you reconcile the fact that he is going to let her see C, at least at this time.?

Maybe both sides should just wait it out.

As long as C is being taken care of and loved, isn't that what most grandmothers would want for their grandchildren?

I don't see the problem, and I really don't see a solution, unless we know all the facts that played into this decision.

And, not to be mean, but how is it our business?
The purpose of the Board is to discuss a murder, not child visitation rights.

Kat [/*]

ITA. There has been no lawsuit filed for grandparent visitation so apparently it isn't quite the big deal some are trying to make it. It really is none of our business and I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe her best interests are not being met.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

She doesn't say Jason isn't allowing her to see Cassidy. Not even close so until you provide a link to her saying it, my opinion stands. I don't know the woman and I'm certainly not the person who decides what is in CY's best interest. [/*]

I think the implication is that Jason has denied LF the right to see C, but then we would have to go back and find out how that came about, and the reasoning for it.

LF and AF are estranged, correct?

Yet, Jason took C to see A, right?

So, J is not denying A his right to see C?

So, we would have to know the motive for C not seeing LF, and I am getting a headache.

Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I think the implication is that Jason has denied LF the right to see C, but then we would have to go back and find out how that came about, and the reasoning for it.

LF and AF are estranged, correct?

Yet, Jason took C to see A, right?

So, J is not denying A his right to see C?

So, we would have to know the motive for C not seeing LF, and I am getting a headache.

Kat [/*]

And round and round we go. I still don't know if it's true Jason is refusing LF visitation, much less his reason for doing so.

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

And round and round we go. I still don't know if it's true Jason is refusing LF visitation, much less his reason for doing so. [/*]

Bad blood. ????

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-01-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

And round and round we go. I still don't know if it's true Jason is refusing LF visitation, much less his reason for doing so. [/*]

Now that we solved that problem, how about the deck boards?

You can't put stain over bloody prints and not still find traces of blood , right?

So, why the need for the stain and the deck planks?

Was there some irregularity seen, a pattern that did not match?
Kat

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Now that we solved that problem, how about the deck boards?

You can't put stain over bloody prints and not still find traces of blood , right?

So, why the need for the stain and the deck planks?

Was there some irregularity seen, a pattern that did not match?
Kat [/*]

I think they wanted to see if there were traces of blood on the edges of the planks. I think it's possible something was washed off on the deck such as bloody shoes. Bloody water would run down between the planks and could still be there even if the deck had been cleaned.

Maybe they took the stain because they didn't know if it was the same stain as already on the deck. Jason's not available to tell them that. jmo

Cardinal

04-01-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

~snip~

Apparently CY didn't see something that incriminates JY or she wouldn't be living with him. If rumors are true, she's being isolated from the aunt who made the 911 call, which I believe is very incriminating.

Blake Davis was isolated from his father after he made incriminating comments. No surprise there. [/*]

Posting rumors JF??? No, no, no. :no:

singaporesling

04-01-2008, 07:48 PM

JustFacts

04-01-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by singaporesling

______________________________________________
edited to add a line. I guess the quote feature has a glitch....

You mean the leading questions captured on the 911 call? Anything linked to the murder that has been said or done can be used against a defendant at trial.

I think the entire call has been sliced and diced and that's why the cops went back to measure those footprints in the bathroom. [/*]

Don't you think it'd odd then that after the search warrant to get the size of the tiles, the next search warrants were aimed at JY? [/*][/QUOTE]

Not odd at all. LE already knows the size of Jason's feet so apparently they were looking for something else. I really don't believe ALL the search warrants have been aimed at Jason Young as a suspect. I think several of the ones we heard were executed--but have yet to see--are aimed at someone else.

jmo

nanja

04-01-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by singaporesling

Don't you think it'd odd then that after the search warrant to get the size of the tiles, the next search warrants were aimed at JY? [/*]

Originally posted by JustFacts

Not odd at all. LE already knows the size of Jason's feet so apparently they were looking for something else. I really don't believe ALL the search warrants have been aimed at Jason Young as a suspect. I think several of the ones we heard were executed--but have yet to see--are aimed at someone else.

jmo [/*]
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keep dreaming
Glad you used the words "I think" because there is no factual basis for what you are saying about "we heard" about several SW being executed aimed at someone else
You are just creating another rumor Glad you put jmo because that is all it is.... and thats my opinion

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by nanja

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keep dreaming
Glad you used the words "I think" because there is no factual basis for what you are saying about "we heard" about several SW being executed aimed at someone else
You are just creating another rumor Glad you put jmo because that is all it is.... and thats my opinion [/*]

Now, now, now.......
Remember Donnie said this was a very complicated case.
Nothing about a husband killing a wife in their own home is complicated , should have been an arrest in the first 24-48-72 hours if that was the case.

Tomorrow will be 17 months, 500+ days later, or if you are good @ math, 12,000 hours .

Too long for anyone to still be walking free.

Kat

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 12:45 PM

nanja

04-02-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Now, now, now.......
Remember Donnie said this was a very complicated case.
Nothing about a husband killing a wife in their own home is complicated , should have been an arrest in the first 24-48-72 hours if that was the case.

Tomorrow will be 17 months, 500+ days later, or if you are good @ math, 12,000 hours .

Too long for anyone to still be walking free.

Kat [/*]

Yes I agree it is too long for a murderer to be walking free and not held accountable
Not complicated you say? I think the fact that Jason made out of town trips Florida, Colorado, California and who knows where else just a few months before the murder does complicate matters Those trips may very well have been legitimate for business but thats something LE has to figure out or was there some other reason too?? Most people have heard of previous crimes where spouses go looking for help in getting rid of their partners LE has to rule that out too Who knows what shady characters he may have come in contact with ...would make it real complicated for LE to figure out his actions with all those out of town trips and Jason not contributing any info
jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

ITA. It has been way too long. I believe LE's failure to pursue anyone but Jason in the first 48 hours has resulted in a "very complicated" case. It seems forensic exams of cars and certain areas of the house have been repeated over a year later. Pretty sad if justice for Michelle really is their goal. [/*]

Exactly, and here are some more things wrong about this case,
These were presented as facts, not rumors, but they have never been confirmed, or corrected, just left out there.

1) Blood drops supposedly found in Jason's car, well, were they or weren't they?

2) C being alone at the scene for hours, and what did she see?
Was L E trying to scare the killer into thinking she witnessed something, it has never been revealed when C woke up, or what she saw. Kinda bothers me anyone would put her in such potential danger, if they were not sure.

3) The trip that Jason took....according to witness A and *, Michelle was pissed...But, according to the headlines, it escalated to
"Wife's Fury".........

4) The financial situation that Jason and Michelle were in?
They were struggling , getting by, or doing fine.
Depends on who you talk to, which is it?

5) The insurance policy, that was taken out in the same amounts for both of them.. now is supposed to look sinister, yet sits uncollectible to my knowledge.

6) The car accident.....troopers re~opened and re~investigated and STILL came up with the same conclusion=accident.

7) Articles that say Jason has never spoken with the police, to ones that say he spoke briefly.

8) LF saying she has had no contact with C......in 17 months.
True or False?

9) The crime scene........not to be gory, but with that much blood and a body lying dead for whatever amount of time, there had to be some overwhelming sense of something wrong, some smell, from the moment someone entered the home.

10) And,what about the time of death.?....Do we still have to go by the hours of midnite to 6am forever? Have they not pinpointed it down to a closer time? One that either clears Jason or keeps him in it?

11) How does C see her Mommy is injured, and has wounds, if Michelle is laying down, what wounds to C are available?, but not to her Aunt?

12) Why does C still think her Mommy may need help, when her aunt has already given up on her?

13) If her aunt came through the garage*, she had to see Michelle's car and would think she was home. Red flag #1
Dog freaking out..........Red flag #2
* as stated in the s/w's

Possible danger should have been the 3rd red flag..

Finding Michelle's body would put it over the top.

14) Jason has remained in the US, has not tried to flee, is working, and L E knows where he is...
Not a sign of consciousness of guilt.

15) Why are there no progress reports or updates on the case?
Why is this case just sitting there on NC's Most Wanted as an unsolved case?

16) What about the Progress Energy Reward?
Any takers?

17 months tomorrow.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by nanja

Yes I agree it is too long for a murderer to be walking free and not held accountable
Not complicated you say? I think the fact that Jason made out of town trips Florida, Colorado, California and who knows where else just a few months before the murder does complicate matters Those trips may very well have been legitimate for business but thats something LE has to figure out or was there some other reason too?? Most people have heard of previous crimes where spouses go looking for help in getting rid of their partners LE has to rule that out too Who knows what shady characters he may have come in contact with ...would make it real complicated for LE to figure out his actions with all those out of town trips and Jason not contributing any info
jmo [/*]

I am not sure why any of the trips are important, as one was taken with his family.

Unless you are saying he met up with a hit~person.????

Kat

alter ego

04-02-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by singaporesling

Don't you think it'd odd then that after the search warrant to get the size of the tiles, the next search warrants were aimed at JY? [/*]According to who?

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Exactly, and here are some more things wrong about this case,
These were presented as facts, not rumors, but they have never been confirmed, or corrected, just left out there.

~snipped for space~
15) Why are there no progress reports or updates on the case?
Why is this case just sitting there on NC's Most Wanted as an unsolved case?

16) What about the Progress Energy Reward?
Any takers?

17 months tomorrow.

Kat [/*]

A lot of your list are tactics designed to put pressure on Jason and they failed. It does surprise me that similar tactics aren't being used on other suspects but it's possible the DA might feel it would be too prejudicial to release all s/w at this point because an arrest is near.

Why is nothing being said? My best guess is because the Sheriff is an elected official and he's worried about public opinion.

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 01:49 PM

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I am not sure why any of the trips are important, as one was taken with his family.

Unless you are saying he met up with a hit~person.????

Kat [/*]

imo, A hired hit by Jason doesn't fit the circumstances. Too much risk a hired killer would also kill the child.

It certainly doesn't take 17 months to analyze the purpose of a couple of trips.

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 01:54 PM

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

If that's what LE thought, or was told, I know they had to go that route.
It would be very suspicious , and at first glance, to want to know the where~abouts of the husband.

But 17 months later...........you got him, or you don't?
You won't clear him, you won't arrest him....
and then,
you order new s/w's for things that you may have missed..

Like what?
The rings?

Kat [/*]

Rings, no doubt. Especially if they were uninsured. I think somebody staging a theft of his own stuff isn't going to make uninsured valuables disappear. That's a huge clue that points to someone other than Jason, imo.

alter ego

04-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Geez, where have you been ? "All of her moms' family was ripped from her life" when her mother was brutally murdered, and her dad moved her immediately 5 hours from her home in Raleigh and her Aunt Meredith. And even further from New York where her grandmother and grandfather lived. and stopped visitation with Linda and Cassidy. Did you not see the televised interview where Linda Fisher states that she hopes Cassidy can be back in her life soimeday, soon ? I won't be searching out the links for you because IIFC you've already analyzed this to the bone back when the interview was given. And "school, what school ?", boy you really do have short term memory huh ? She had been attending pre-school up to the time of her moms death in Raleigh for quite some time, duh ?? And a little girl of nearly 3, is IMO very attached to her parents, grandparents, her home, her bedroom, her dog, her toys, her EVERYDAY life, her preschool and I don't feel I'm one bit over dramatic about it. You seem under the norm for human compassion, and motherly love to me.

justice for michelle :rose: [/*]
Oh the drama :rolleyes:

Cassidy's well being is being looked after by her father. If you have a problem with that, and her being moved out of the house her mother was murdered in, call Social Services and see if they care.

If Jason had not moved out of the house, the tirade by the Jason Haters would be how awful of him to keep Cassidy in the house her mommy was murdered in.

None of the Fisher's have said they have no visitation with Cassidy. Just more drama for the sake of drama. :rolleyes:

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Not only to put pressure on Jason, but to make him look bad.
And, they haven't made any corrections or adjustments to anything they released.

Did they expect a confession from someone?

What if somewhere in the investigation, it became apparent that it was random, or an entry was overlooked, that did prove that was the way the killer entered?

When I arrived at the Board, I thought it was just another Scott and Laci Peterson, here we go again, case.

Not now, though...

Kat [/*]

Difficult if not impossible to extract a confession from someone who is lawyered up. The intent was to make Jason look bad publicly. Sour grapes. I bet if someone else was arrested today, there will be at least one cop who will still insist he is guilty. The guy who was just released from prison in Colorado was railroaded by a single cop who still believes he's guilty.

One similarity is that the Peterson investigation was bungled badly.

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 02:12 PM

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 03:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JustFacts

Difficult if not impossible to extract a confession from someone who is lawyered up. The intent was to make Jason look bad publicly. Sour grapes.

<respectfully snipped>
_______________________________________
Scare tactics then, maybe............

Besides, look at this.
Look at the timing.
Why that nite?
The watching of Gray's Anatomy was a weekly get~to ~gether, not a one time thing.
And, I am sure this was not the only meeting Jason had, it has been pointed out about all his business and pleasure trips.
And, a big weekend coming up, they were both looking forward to,.anyone who follows sports, knows how big homecoming weekend is.....
Why kill her when C is home?
And, why the need for overkill?
The guy works with drugs, he could have easily knocked her out first, even a sleeping pill would have made it easier to overpower her.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You raise an excellent point.

All the drama can't be a healthy environment for a child. [/*]

Arguing, or throwing around accusations about what happened would not be healthy for C either.

Maybe there was bad blood before all this happened, and steps were taken to make sure C is spared from any more of that.

I am curious about the family dynamics between Jason and the Fishers, before and after Michelle's death.

Kat

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by JustFacts

Difficult if not impossible to extract a confession from someone who is lawyered up. The intent was to make Jason look bad publicly. Sour grapes.

<respectfully snipped>
_______________________________________
Scare tactics then, maybe............

Besides, look at this.
Look at the timing.
Why that nite?
The watching of Gray's Anatomy was a weekly get~to ~gether, not a one time thing.
And, I am sure this was not the only meeting Jason had, it has been pointed out about all his business and pleasure trips.
And, a big weekend coming up, they were both looking forward to,.anyone who follows sports, knows how big homecoming weekend is.....
Why kill her when C is home?
And, why the need for overkill?
The guy works with drugs, he could have easily knocked her out first, even a sleeping pill would have made it easier to overpower her.

Kat [/*]

Why that nite? Because the killer knew Jason wasn't going to be home is my best guess.

I seriously doubt the Grey's Anatomy viewing was a weekly gathering. I think it was an impromptu get together. Truly amazing how quickly LE found out about it and also the identity of the friend.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why that nite? Because the killer knew Jason wasn't going to be home is my best guess.

I seriously doubt the Grey's Anatomy viewing was a weekly gathering. I think it was an impromptu get together. Truly amazing how quickly LE found out about it and also the identity of the friend.

jmo [/*]

I think it was established that Jason's car was kept in the driveway, as Michelle's car and the boat occupied the garage.

Anyone driving by, could see that he was not home.

It was posted that a group of Michelle and her friends watched GA weekly, so, that's where I got that from.
But that only ____------- showed up that nite.

How do you think L E found out about it so soon?

Kat

Danica

04-02-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Oh the drama :rolleyes:

Cassidy's well being is being looked after by her father. If you have a problem with that, and her being moved out of the house her mother was murdered in, call Social Services and see if they care.

If Jason had not moved out of the house, the tirade by the Jason Haters would be how awful of him to keep Cassidy in the house her mommy was murdered in.

None of the Fisher's have said they have no visitation with Cassidy. Just more drama for the sake of drama. :rolleyes: [/*]

Since you went to the trouble of going to yesterdays posts to repost mine, why didn't you click on the links I provided ?
The ones which show Linda Fisher on a televised program being interviewed about her daughter and grand daughter ? Oh, is it because my links DO show LF saying she hopes to be back in Cassidys' life sometime in the near future ? Saying she hopes to be back in her gr.daughters life soon SAYS she is NOT in her life now. As for your idiotic suggestion that i contact Childrens Services well thats just a lame response to Nothing I had posted. Why don't you take your baited hook down to the local lake and fish there ? good luck

Danica

04-02-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
According to who? [/*]

According to the fact that LE drove 5 hours to search both homes Jason Young has been living in since the murder. Why do YOU think they would search the homes he lives in ? So, they could investigate someone else that doesn't live there and never has . Yea, thats what I figured LOL

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Danica

According to the fact that LE drove 5 hours to search both homes Jason Young has been living in since the murder. Why do YOU think they would search the homes he lives in ? So, they could investigate someone else that doesn't live there and never has . Yea, thats what I figured LOL [/*]

But, we don't know what they were looking for, and if they found it.
How could you expect something to just still be around 16 months after a murder?
And, why did it take 16 months to go searching for it?

Kat

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I think it was established that Jason's car was kept in the driveway, as Michelle's car and the boat occupied the garage.

Anyone driving by, could see that he was not home.

It was posted that a group of Michelle and her friends watched GA weekly, so, that's where I got that from.
But that only ____------- showed up that nite.

How do you think L E found out about it so soon?

Kat [/*]

I think LE was told by the person who watched from the back yard. Couldn't exactly fess up and tell the cops the real reason this was known thus a mythical weekly event was created in order to shine a light on the GA friend as a possible suspect.

jmo.

JustFacts

04-02-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Danica

According to the fact that LE drove 5 hours to search both homes Jason Young has been living in since the murder. Why do YOU think they would search the homes he lives in ? So, they could investigate someone else that doesn't live there and never has . Yea, thats what I figured LOL [/*]

You don't seem to understand that LE didn't search through homes belonging to someone else, they searched through possessions owned by Jason and Michelle Young that had been relocated to that area, including the couple's vehicles. You can spin it all you like but there is simply no way a re-examination of Michelle's car and other belongings points to Jason as the suspect.

jmo

alter ego

04-02-2008, 05:37 PM

alter ego

04-02-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Since you went to the trouble of going to yesterdays posts to repost mine, why didn't you click on the links I provided ?
The ones which show Linda Fisher on a televised program being interviewed about her daughter and grand daughter ? Oh, is it because my links DO show LF saying she hopes to be back in Cassidys' life sometime in the near future ? Saying she hopes to be back in her gr.daughters life soon SAYS she is NOT in her life now. As for your idiotic suggestion that i contact Childrens Services well thats just a lame response to Nothing I had posted. Why don't you take your baited hook down to the local lake and fish there ? good luck [/*]
Nowhere does Linda Fisher say she is being denied visitation.

You are the one tossing bait with your continual personal attacks :no:

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

You don't seem to understand that LE didn't search through homes belonging to someone else, they searched through possessions owned by Jason and Michelle Young that had been relocated to that area, including the couple's vehicles. You can spin it all you like but there is simply no way a re-examination of Michelle's car and other belongings points to Jason as the suspect.

jmo [/*]

I've not seen any information published on the contents of the 2/14 SWs. Do you have a link to this information, or is it just more rumor? :no:

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

According to who did LE do this? [/*]

According to the news media and the WCSO:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/951291.html

"Sheriff's department spokeswoman Phyllis Stephens said the department would not disclose where Jason Young is living. But the department confirmed searches of the residences in Western North Carolina counties on Thursday."

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 06:57 PM

BTW, from the same link:

In addition, investigators have said that Jason Young had a romantic relationship with a Florida woman who attended N.C. State University at the same time as the couple."

:eek:

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by TwoFour

She's lucky because I believe JY should cease her visitations. JMO [/*]

It's impossible to cease something which never started. Try to keep up.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

It's impossible to cease something which never started. Try to keep up.

JMO [/*]

So if someone has proof LF saw C, then what?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I've not seen any information published on the contents of the 2/14 SWs. Do you have a link to this information, or is it just more rumor? :no: [/*]

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Kat

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

So if someone has proof LF saw C, then what?

Kat [/*]

Do you? By all means, post verification of it. I'd be pleased to see it.

Kat4Eagles

04-02-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Do you? By all means, post verification of it. I'd be pleased to see it. [/*]

Didn't she just make an appearance at C's day care center?

The rest is not my story to tell.
Kat

Cardinal

04-02-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Didn't she just make an appearance at C's day care center?

The rest is not my story to tell.
Kat [/*]

I've not seen that reported anywhere. Do you have a link?

alter ego

04-03-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal
BTW, from the same link:

In addition, investigators have said that Jason Young had a romantic relationship with a Florida woman who attended N.C. State University at the same time as the couple."

:eek: [/*]
Also from the same link:

Jason Young has said he was on a business trip when his wife was killed and has not been named a suspect in her death.

(thanks for the link, Cardinal - did you put it in the Links thread?)

alter ego

04-03-2008, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Cardinal

It's impossible to cease something which never started. Try to keep up.

JMO [/*]There is no proof that Michelle's mom has not seen Cassidy since Michelle was murdered.

awareness

04-03-2008, 12:37 PM

JMO but JY continues to run from a real interview regarding the murder of his pregnant wife MY. It would help alleviate the cloud of suspicion that many (including myself) feel is over JY's head. JMO that JY had the motive to do this.

In terms of this folder being re-opened, is there any real additional news? Because IMO this is starting to deteriorate again and will eventually be locked.

JMO/IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by awareness
JMO but JY continues to run from a real interview regarding the murder of his pregnant wife MY. It would help alleviate the cloud of suspicion that many (including myself) feel is over JY's head. JMO that JY had the motive to do this.

In terms of this folder being re-opened, is there any real additional news? Because IMO this is starting to deteriorate again and will eventually be locked.

JMO/IMO [/*]

What was his motive?

I stated there was not any breaking news when I re~opened the thread, but CW said we could discuss aspects of the case.. and this being the week of C's birthday, we addressed that.

Do you have any ideas why there is not much news in this brutal unsolved homicide?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

ITA.
The bickering is starting again. If you look closely, you will see that everytime someone comes on and doesn't agree with Kat, JF, or AE, they are attacked.

It seems only certain opinions and posters are tolerated here which is why most of the posters who are truly seeking the truth and justice for Michelle have left here. [/*]

We all seek truth and justice for Michelle, although slow as it is..
The Board is to try and be objective enough to look at the whole picture, and if something does happen, we will have a place to discuss it.

Was there something you wanted to discuss?

:)

Kat

Danica

04-03-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Now, now, now.......
Remember Donnie said this was a very complicated case.
Nothing about a husband killing a wife in their own home is complicated , should have been an arrest in the first 24-48-72 hours if that was the case.

Tomorrow will be 17 months, 500+ days later, or if you are good @ math, 12,000 hours .

Too long for anyone to still be walking free.

Kat [/*]

If a husband kills his wife in their own home it is very complicated. The husbands DNA is already everywhere in that home, so it must be difficult to determine what exactly is evidence and what isn't. If there is no other DNA in the murder scene, what does that tell you ? No evidence IS evidence. If someone else had committed this murder, where is their DNA ? Since no s/w have been issued in anyone else's direction, that leaves "Mr Wonderful"
JMO
Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-03-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no proof that Michelle's mom has not seen Cassidy since Michelle was murdered. [/*]

Do you consider the Amanda Lamb interview proof ? Have you even watched it ?

Danica

04-03-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Don't you think it'd odd then that after the search warrant to get the size of the tiles, the next search warrants were aimed at JY? [/*]

Not odd at all. LE already knows the size of Jason's feet so apparently they were looking for something else. I really don't believe ALL the search warrants have been aimed at Jason Young as a suspect. I think several of the ones we heard were executed--but have yet to see--are aimed at someone else.

jmo [/*][/QUOTE]

The search warrants for Birchleaf were to get measurements to use as a scale for the photos they already took of the bathroom tiles. It's really all there for the reading. The S/W's on Feb 14 08 were to search the residences of JY s mother and sister, the two homes he has lived in since Michelles murder. That has been stated in several reports, no s/w for "someone else" just residences. Then they were sealed.

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Danica

If a husband kills his wife in their own home it is very complicated. The husbands DNA is already everywhere in that home, so it must be difficult to determine what exactly is evidence and what isn't. If there is no other DNA in the murder scene, what does that tell you ? No evidence IS evidence. If someone else had committed this murder, where is their DNA ? Since no s/w have been issued in anyone else's direction, that leaves "Mr Wonderful"
JMO
Justice for Michelle :rose: [/*]

LE has never stated there is no other DNA at the murder scene. The NTIO makes it pretty clear just the opposite is true. LE must still find the owner of any DNA.

And we also know there are s/w that have not been returned and made public.

jmo

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Danica

Not odd at all. LE already knows the size of Jason's feet so apparently they were looking for something else. I really don't believe ALL the search warrants have been aimed at Jason Young as a suspect. I think several of the ones we heard were executed--but have yet to see--are aimed at someone else.

jmo [/*]

The search warrants for Birchleaf were to get measurements to use as a scale for the photos they already took of the bathroom tiles. It's really all there for the reading. The S/W's on Feb 14 08 were to search the residences of JY s mother and sister, the two homes he has lived in since Michelles murder. That has been stated in several reports, no s/w for "someone else" just residences. Then they were sealed. [/*][/QUOTE]

not any media reports that have specified the total number of the search warrants, exactly what was searched or why.

I believe s/w that have been "sealed" focus on someone else.

jmo

Danica

04-03-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

A lot of your list are tactics designed to put pressure on Jason and they failed. It does surprise me that similar tactics aren't being used on other suspects but it's possible the DA might feel it would be too prejudicial to release all s/w at this point because an arrest is near.

Why is nothing being said? My best guess is because the Sheriff is an elected official and he's worried about public opinion. [/*]

IMO alot of the things on Kats list explain exactly why this case is still being investigated after 17 months. Because it is complicated, there is alot of evidence to go through. It doesnt surprise you that "tactics" aren't being used on other suspects ? Well, maybe thats because none of the things listed have anything to do with anyone else. Just Jason Young...maybe there are no other suspects, lol...I can't understand what you are trying to say about the sheriff either...You think that LE isn't saying anything because he is an elected official and worried about public opinion ? If that were the case, he would be making statements. The fact that he isn't should tell you its because he is keeping the investigation secured so it won't be jeopardized and justice will then be served. To let everyone know all the facts they have discovered would jeopardize their case. duh...

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Danica

IMO alot of the things on Kats list explain exactly why this case is still being investigated after 17 months. Because it is complicated, there is alot of evidence to go through. It doesnt surprise you that "tactics" aren't being used on other suspects ? Well, maybe thats because none of the things listed have anything to do with anyone else. Just Jason Young...maybe there are no other suspects, lol...I can't understand what you are trying to say about the sheriff either...You think that LE isn't saying anything because he is an elected official and worried about public opinion ? If that were the case, he would be making statements. The fact that he isn't should tell you its because he is keeping the investigation secured so it won't be jeopardized and justice will then be served. To let everyone know all the facts they have discovered would jeopardize their case. duh... [/*]

You misunderstood my posting to Kat. My reference was to "similar tactics."

I have no doubt that tactics such as wire taps have been or are being used and of course the sheriff isn't going to talk about such things publicly. He's limited his comments to placing blame on Jason's silence and on slow lab results. Neither comment is going to jeopardize a trial if Jason isn't the defendant. duh........

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no proof that Michelle's mom has not seen Cassidy since Michelle was murdered. [/*]

If I were in her shoes, I'd resent the internet campaign making such claims because it gives the impression she is behind it. Certainly not fair to her if she isn't.

jmo

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by scout

I'm sure Michelle's mother has bigger concerns than what people like you might think of her. [/*]

People like me? Whatever is that supposed to mean? I'm not CY's parent making visitation decisions.

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
There is no proof that Michelle's mom has not seen Cassidy since Michelle was murdered. [/*]

Hard to prove a negative. There's no proof that she has seen her, either.

JMO

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

~snip~

I believe s/w that have been "sealed" focus on someone else.

jmo [/*]

The only SWs whose existence has been reported and which have been sealed, IIRC, are those executed in Brevard and Etowah on 2/14.

So you think they focus on someone in one of those towns, other than JY?

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

The only SWs whose existence has been reported and which have been sealed, IIRC, are those executed in Brevard and Etowah on 2/14.

So you think they focus on someone in one of those towns, other than JY? [/*]

I have yet to see LE confirm the search warrants have been sealed nor have the media been able to track down such a court record. I think the reason is that those search warrants won't be sealed until a suspect is indicted. In the meantime, the DA is sitting on them as he is allowed to do in an ongoing criminal investigation.

All LE confirmed was the searches of residences that reporters asked about. Nearly two more months have passed and still no arrest of Jason Young is an indication the focus was not on Jason as a suspect. The fact is, Jason and his family know what was listed as probable cause in the warrants and they can share that information with whomever they like.

No, I don't believe the focus is on someone who lives in one of the towns where Jason's stuff is located. The murder did not take place in either town.

jmo

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

Hard to prove a negative. There's no proof that she has seen her, either.

JMO [/*]

So, the story of her arriving uninivited and unannounced at C's daycare with balloons and presents is not true?

Kat

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I have yet to see LE confirm the search warrants have been sealed nor have the media been able to track down such a court record. I think the reason is that those search warrants won't be sealed until a suspect is indicted. In the meantime, the DA is sitting on them as he is allowed to do in an ongoing criminal investigation.

~snip~

jmo [/*]

In that case, there seems to be no evidence that ANY SWs have been sealed.

JMO

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

So, the story of her arriving uninivited and unannounced at C's daycare with balloons and presents is not true?

Kat [/*]

What story? More rumors? :no:

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

The only SWs whose existence has been reported and which have been sealed, IIRC, are those executed in Brevard and Etowah on 2/14.

So you think they focus on someone in one of those towns, other than JY? [/*]

And, now here we are, a month and a 1/2 later ,what do you think they were looking for?,
Did they find it?
Besides the death certificate that was rumored to be taken.
Think maybe they are mad at Jason for not cooperating, and decided to go out there and shake things up a bit?
Without knowing what items were listed in the s/w, we are still in the dark.
You think they were hoping he would be home?

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

What story? More rumors? :no: [/*]

I never stated that as fact...

:)

Kat

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I never stated that as fact...

:)

Kat [/*]

I know. You stated it as a story/rumor.

To answer your other question, I have no idea what they were looking for with the 2/14 SWs. But I do know that the law doesn't allow LE to obtain a SW because they're "mad at" somebody. For a judge to sign a SW after all this time, there has to be a convincing reason.

And I doubt they cared whether or not he was at home.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I know. You stated it as a story/rumor.

To answer your other question, I have no idea what they were looking for with the 2/14 SWs. But I do know that the law doesn't allow LE to obtain a SW because they're "mad at" somebody. For a judge to sign a SW after all this time, there has to be a convincing reason.

And I doubt they cared whether or not he was at home.

JMO [/*]

And , what was the convincing reason that was used to persuade the Judge that after all that time (15-16 months)
((I feel like the official score and time keeper in this case)) that there might just be in Jason's possession something that still held some evidentiary value?

Come on, I mean,we are not talking serial killer who saves items from their victims here.

More measurements to go with the s/w's issued last Dec for the bathroom floor?
Shoes, socks, clothes, baseball hat?

:shrug:

Kat

awareness

04-03-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Sundog

ITA.
The bickering is starting again. If you look closely, you will see that everytime someone comes on and doesn't agree with Kat, JF, or AE, they are attacked.

It seems only certain opinions and posters are tolerated here which is why most of the posters who are truly seeking the truth and justice for Michelle have left here. [/*]

Its unfortunate that sarcasm is slowly leaking its way back in MY's forum. Sooner or later, CW will see this or someone will contact CW and this thread will be locked again. Seeing that some of the posters who continue to come back to the MY forum can't discuss it calmly and rationally, JMO but the forum should really stay locked until there truly is NEWS about the case.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE

Jason, cat still got your tongue?

JMO/IMO

Cardinal

04-03-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Would you have known about those if someone on a message board hadn't told you? [/*]

Excuse me? You must have missed the link I posted last night. It was reported in the media.

awareness

04-03-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

What was his motive?

I stated there was not any breaking news when I re~opened the thread, but CW said we could discuss aspects of the case.. and this being the week of C's birthday, we addressed that.

Do you have any ideas why there is not much news in this brutal unsolved homicide?

Kat [/*]

My suspicions as to Jason's possible motive are my OPINIONS only, which have already been discussed at length in past (now locked) folders. No need to rehash IMO.

As to why there's no new news, its my OPINION that law enforcement is still working on the case.

JMO/IMO

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by awareness

Its unfortunate that sarcasm is slowly leaking its way back in MY's forum. Sooner or later, CW will see this or someone will contact CW and this thread will be locked again. Seeing that some of the posters who continue to come back to the MY forum can't discuss it calmly and rationally, JMO but the forum should really stay locked until there truly is NEWS about the case.

JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE

Jason, cat still got your tongue?

JMO/IMO [/*]

I think we are doing just fine........Not too many people are posting, but they are reading.
All websites on this case are slow, maybe some insiders will come back and give us news.
I want to be here when something happens.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

04-03-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by awareness

My suspicions as to Jason's possible motive are my OPINIONS only, which have already been discussed at length in past (now locked) folders. No need to rehash IMO.

As to why there's no new news, its my OPINION that law enforcement is still working on the case.

JMO/IMO [/*]

Of course, they are still working on this case , they better be.
I have no doubt that someday it will be solved.

Re~hashing does get old, but even L E had to bring in a new team with fresh eyes to see what they missed.

Maybe thats what we need here.
:)

Kat

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Of course, they are still working on this case , they better be.
I have no doubt that someday it will be solved.

Re~hashing does get old, but even L E had to bring in a new team with fresh eyes to see what they missed.

Maybe thats what we need here.
:)

Kat [/*]

ITA re~hashing gets old. Fresh eyes are needed. Too bad you and your posse won't allow any new thoughts.

Y'all carry on now ... make sure to continue to ignore common sense and dignity.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ that's just me ~~~~~~~~

~~~~~SHRUG~~~~~~~~~.

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by june1943

This is the only really good forum left on this case. The other forums have gone to name calling and drawing pictures to get at posters. I think this forum is doing just fine. I don't post much but I do read and I have seen no discussion of the actual case except here in the last few days. I also saw on another forum the same thing kat saw. That Cassie's grandmother and Aunt visited her. That could have been a rumor but it was brought to the discussion by someone that said they were an insider. [/*]

Yes, and if we choose to believe that rumor ... you might as well put the rest of that rumor out here.

That the Youngs were extremely upset about that visitation and immediately went to the Day Care to scold them about a "security breach".

With that said, why would they want to hold Cassie hostage from her own Mom's Mom?

That tells me that they had NOT seen Cassie up until they planned a "sneak attack" to bring her balloons and a birthday present. IF these rumors are true.

I don't blame them at all.

IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO JMO JMO JMO and That's all folks.

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Kat , speaking of re hashing. I would like to re hash the old posts from JYs sister. Are they stored anywhere? I was reading on another forum where she told of different stories that was told regarding Cassie. We were told if we revisited these posts we might learn something. Thanks [/*]

Get in touch with Belinda. She claims she has 7 differrent forums saved on flash disks. She should be able to find what you're looking for.

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by june1943

I haven't seen a new thought. Do you have one ? [/*]

Thanks for proving my point!

JustFacts

04-03-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by june1943

Kat , speaking of re hashing. I would like to re hash the old posts from JYs sister. Are they stored anywhere? I was reading on another forum where she told of different stories that was told regarding Cassie. We were told if we revisited these posts we might learn something. Thanks [/*]

have you noticed that LE has never told the media what story MF gave to them about what room she found CY and what CY was doing when found?

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

have you noticed that LE has never told the media what story MF gave to them about what room she found CY and what CY was doing when found? [/*]

Do you know what MF story MF has told LE when or where she found CY and what she was doing?

Link please.

Please stop putting your innuendo out when you have nothing to back it up with. If you do have something to back it up, please share your reliable source. Otherwise... please state that it is RUMOR or INNUENDO.

Thanks in Advance.

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by june1943
That's because the story changed each time they talked to her. They couldn't decide which one to give to the media. [/*]

Link Please. You are attempting to smear an innocent VICTIM of this horrendous crime.

Thanks in Advance.

oakayfine

04-03-2008, 11:57 PM

This board really does need to be SHUT DOWN.

The posts on this forum are not rendering a true discussion nor are they re~hashing old news.

They are attempts to smear the VICTIM'S family and are simply WRONG. IMO.

this has turned into a "polite bashing" by using innuendo with no valid links. JMO If you have the links to prove the innuendo by all means please post them or if you don't then state it is YOUR opinion. what a FIASCO you people have made of this tragedy.

this is absolutely ridiculous. I would like to ask that this board be closed using the past few pages as a prime example as to why it should be. IMO

Take your slander to other boards, please. JMO

No, the VICTIM's family is not afraid nor do they have anything to hide. They have ALL been forthcoming and have NOT impeded in this investigation whatsoever. IMO JMO.

Either post valid links or state it as OPINION.
I can't believe what I have been reading. You might feel better posting your crap but it is in no way helping this situation.

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

JMO JMO IMO IMO JMO

Hopefully I will not see any more of the crap that I have read this evening.

oakayfine

04-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Do you mean you can't tell who is who? Why did you say retired teacher? I see everyone saying that. How can you be sure? Maybe it isn't . [/*]

Quit playing STUPID. Take your foot out of your mouth and you might not be stuck on stupid.

Quit bringing things up here and then pretending you did not.

Maybe this will help you remeber. ...

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1966406&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

oakayfine

04-04-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Blaze

The victim's family has spoken publicly and attended memorials. They have nothing to hide and haven't hidden.
ITA.
This is a complete waste. It has become nothing but a forum for two lone posters to smear the victims family.
Its just not right. [/*]

This is truly a fiasco. A Sandbox for the little people who have nothing better than to throw out innuendo and rumor about the VICTIM's family.

It is almost ... not quite there yet ... almost as bad as REFUGEES UNLEASHED.

Yeah. that one is a real litter box. I'm sick of seeing the crap posted and am amazed it is allowed to continue here.

oakayfine

04-04-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by june1943

I don't understand what you want me to look at. All I see when I check this link is what we have talked about tonight. What did I bring up? [/*]

You really are stuck on stupid. There are 10 pages of your past posts ... not just tonight but many previous. Quit playing stupid. I know you are smarter than what you are portraying.

I will not respond to your previous post since you are stuck on stupid and no matter what is linked here or typed here; you will not or refuse to comprehend. It's a waste of time.

If you choose to live with your blinders on ... well, then so be it. I wish you luck with all of your future endeavors. You will certainly need it.

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by june1943
That's because the story changed each time they talked to her. They couldn't decide which one to give to the media. [/*]

If the last few months are any indication, they've decided to not give much detail about anything to the media so maybe they are at a point of an indictment and don't want to try it in the press?

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by june1943

I don't understand what you want me to look at. All I see when I check this link is what we have talked about tonight. What did I bring up? [/*]

please ignore the baiting. Thanks.

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Blaze

So? [/*]

I just find it unusual that LE hasn't ever mentioned it. The Sheriff expressed concern at not knowing what the child witnessed which evidently is because LE didn't interview her right away or call in social services as was done in the Worthington and Davis murders.

jmo

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Blaze

Yeah, but think about who has been served with the warrants.

Not the Fishers, thats for sure. [/*]

are you assuming warrants are evidence? I sure don't agree. I think warrants are intended to gain information and evidence and we know Jason immediately lawyered up so warrants for his property shouldn't be a surprise. It's also true that killers often cooperate totally and warrants aren't needed. Evidence is evidence whether obtained by warrant or cooperation. It can all be used against the defendant at trial.

jmo

Danica

04-04-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

have you noticed that LE has never told the media what story MF gave to them about what room she found CY and what CY was doing when found? [/*]

I have noticed that LE has stated in several interviews that Meredith told them she received a voice mail/phone message from Jason asking her to retrieve a document from his home. Other than that, LE really hasn't told the media any facts about this case at all. Oh, they do keep stating that the husband of the murder victim is not cooperating in any way with their investigation. That is very suspicious don't you think ? I believe Meredith has been cooperating with their investigation from the very beginning. She most definitely wants her sisters murder solved. Seems as tho JY is hiding something imo
Just wondering what you meant by "what story MF gave to them". I would imagine it would be the truth, since she isn't named on any search warrants, she must not be a suspect, right ? She must be cooperating and she also must have been honest in what she told them. JMO

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Cardinal

04-04-2008, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by june1943

Well that could just be somebody wanting to pretend like they know. That's why we are a discussion forum. There has been so little information released that its hard to tell what is rumor and what isn't. Cardinal is just as sure that it never happened. So who is telling the truth. I don't know. [/*]

This makes 2 posts in which you have presumed to know what I think. You have no idea what I think.

Do NOT misrepresent my posts again, or I will report you to CW.

MyThoughts

04-04-2008, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by oakayfine
This board really does need to be SHUT DOWN.

The posts on this forum are not rendering a true discussion nor are they re~hashing old news.

They are attempts to smear the VICTIM'S family and are simply WRONG. IMO.

this has turned into a "polite bashing" by using innuendo with no valid links. JMO If you have the links to prove the innuendo by all means please post them or if you don't then state it is YOUR opinion. what a FIASCO you people have made of this tragedy.

this is absolutely ridiculous. I would like to ask that this board be closed using the past few pages as a prime example as to why it should be. IMO

Take your slander to other boards, please. JMO

No, the VICTIM's family is not afraid nor do they have anything to hide. They have ALL been forthcoming and have NOT impeded in this investigation whatsoever. IMO JMO.

Either post valid links or state it as OPINION.
I can't believe what I have been reading. You might feel better posting your crap but it is in no way helping this situation.

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.

JMO JMO IMO IMO JMO

Hopefully I will not see any more of the crap that I have read this evening. [/*]

:beer: :beer: :beer:

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Blaze

Yes, I agree. That is odd. Do we know for sure they didn't do those things? [/*]

No. In other cases, LE has made it public that they did interview the children right away. In the Young case, all the sheriff's office expressed was wonder at what CY witnessed. Sounded to me that there was no interview of the child right away.

Kat4Eagles

04-04-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by oakayfine

This is truly a fiasco. A Sandbox for the little people who have nothing better than to throw out innuendo and rumor about the VICTIM's family.

It is almost ... not quite there yet ... almost as bad as REFUGEES UNLEASHED.

Yeah. that one is a real litter box. I'm sick of seeing the crap posted and am amazed it is allowed to continue here. [/*]

All apsects of the crime and all the people involved should be allowed to be discussed.

This is one case that has not involved any victim bashing .
I have seen that happen and it is horrible.

If you feel like Michelle's family is getting bashed, Jason is also Michelle's family. Pat, Kim and Heather are Michelle's family too.

Did you feel the same when people came to the Board with stories about Jason?

If you don't want to read or post here, that is your option.

CW gave us the option of keeping it open, and we are doing a good job of not arguing.

Not everyone is going to agree with what is posted.

To say there are problems getting this case solved, is an understatement.

The time element alone speaks for itself.

Just trying to find out what those problems are.

:shrug:
Kat

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Danica

I have noticed that LE has stated in several interviews that Meredith told them she received a voice mail/phone message from Jason asking her to retrieve a document from his home. Other than that, LE really hasn't told the media any facts about this case at all. Oh, they do keep stating that the husband of the murder victim is not cooperating in any way with their investigation. That is very suspicious don't you think ? I believe Meredith has been cooperating with their investigation from the very beginning. She most definitely wants her sisters murder solved. Seems as tho JY is hiding something imo
Just wondering what you meant by "what story MF gave to them". I would imagine it would be the truth, since she isn't named on any search warrants, she must not be a suspect, right ? She must be cooperating and she also must have been honest in what she told them. JMO

Justice for Michelle :rose: [/*]

Why do you imagine someone who cooperates with police must be telling the truth? Scott Peterson cooperated with police and allowed searches of his property without search warrants. They proved he's a liar and it took them months of wire taps to do so.

jmo

Danica

04-04-2008, 02:29 PM

Jason Young has been the subject of most if not all of the search warrants, he also refuses to cooperate in the investigation.
Meredith and Linda Fisher have never been the subject of any search warrrants.
Jason Young also has not let Michelle Youngs' mother see Michelles' daughter.
These are the reasons Jason is spoken of like he is, and also the reasons why no one has the right to bash the victims mother and sister. They are the innocent victims of a brutal crime that looks more and more like it was committed by Jason Young. How can you compare the two ?

Danica

04-04-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why do you imagine someone who cooperates with police must be telling the truth? Scott Peterson cooperated with police and allowed searches of his property without search warrants. They proved he's a liar and it took them months of wire taps to do so.

jmo [/*]

I am weighing the facts in THIS case, I don't see what Scott Peterson has to do with it.

Danica

04-04-2008, 02:35 PM

Snipped from KAT4EAGLES post:
"This is one case that has not involved any victim bashing .
I have seen that happen and it is horrible."
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Surely you jest, this case has had non-stop victims family bashing, IIRC you were a fixture for most of it. jmo

Justice for Michelle :rose:

Danica

04-04-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Plain and simple....If the alibi fits you must acquit............A lot of us are reading,hope the board will continue to stay open. Have a good day E1. [/*]

According to NCWanted the alibi doesn't quite fit. They reported that the time frame leaves unaccounted for time. No acquittal, sorry. jmo

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Danica
Jason Young has been the subject of most if not all of the search warrants, he also refuses to cooperate in the investigation.
Meredith and Linda Fisher have never been the subject of any search warrrants.
Jason Young also has not let Michelle Youngs' mother see Michelles' daughter.
These are the reasons Jason is spoken of like he is, and also the reasons why no one has the right to bash the victims mother and sister. They are the innocent victims of a brutal crime that looks more and more like it was committed by Jason Young. How can you compare the two ? [/*]

The discussions about everyone, including Jason and Meredith are discussions about the murder, which is the topic of the forum. Meredith did make the 911 call and she did find the body. She hasn't been named a suspect but neither has Jason. LE have not ruled out her or anyone else as a suspect. Discussing her as a potential suspect isn't "bashing," imo.

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Plain and simple....If the alibi fits you must acquit............A lot of us are reading,hope the board will continue to stay open. Have a good day E1. [/*]

Have a good day, Hi!

If Jason's alibi fits, there won't be an arrest of Jason Young and there hasn't been.

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Danica

I am weighing the facts in THIS case, I don't see what Scott Peterson has to do with it. [/*]

Then what "facts" are you using to support your opinion that cooperation equals honesty? I gave you an example of someone who cooperated and was proved by LE to be a liar.

JustFacts

04-04-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

All apsects of the crime and all the people involved should be allowed to be discussed.

This is one case that has not involved any victim bashing .
I have seen that happen and it is horrible.

If you feel like Michelle's family is getting bashed, Jason is also Michelle's family. Pat, Kim and Heather are Michelle's family too.

Did you feel the same when people came to the Board with stories about Jason?

If you don't want to read or post here, that is your option.

CW gave us the option of keeping it open, and we are doing a good job of not arguing.

Not everyone is going to agree with what is posted.

To say there are problems getting this case solved, is an understatement.

The time element alone speaks for itself.

Just trying to find out what those problems are.

:shrug:
Kat [/*]

Sometimes the passage of time produces new evidence. If the focus shifted from Jason to someone else--and I think it did--it still requires the tedious task of collecting evidence, including wiretaps, surveillance, re-interviews, reviews of crime scene photos, statements.

Jason has steadfastly been silent and apparently he isn't doing anything suspicious, such as dying his hair orange or buying vehicles under assumed names.

jmo

Cardinal

04-04-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

The discussions about everyone, including Jason and Meredith are discussions about the murder, which is the topic of the forum. Meredith did make the 911 call and she did find the body. She hasn't been named a suspect but neither has Jason. LE have not ruled out her or anyone else as a suspect. Discussing her as a potential suspect isn't "bashing," imo. [/*]

MF did find her sister's body and make the 911 call........because, according to published reports, JY asked her to pick up a fax/printout from the house. Otherwise, imo, she wouldn't have been there, and wouldn't be a subject of discussion.

JMO