John List died in jail

[clannad]

NJ man who killed his family and hid for 17 years dies in custody.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080324/NEWS/80324043

[wandering]

Thank you. I have always been interested in this case because he grew up in my hometown. Pneumonia. Hmmmm...wonder if he suffered like he made his son suffer.

[wandering]

Here's a link, in case anyone's interested in the whole story.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/list/1.html

[BobbysGirl]

WOW I remember the name and can see his face but forgot the case. Now I know who he is. Many crime shows about him.

BG

[clannad]

Thanks for the link, wandering. I remember reading about the murders in 71 and I also remember when he was caught right after being profiled on AMW. I remember the house being creepy looking and he had left music playing in the background after he took off. The hair on my neck still stands up thinking about it.

[wandering]

Originally posted by clannad
Thanks for the link, wandering. I remember reading about the murders in 71 and I also remember when he was caught right after being profiled on AMW. I remember the house being creepy looking and he had left music playing in the background after he took off. The hair on my neck still stands up thinking about it. [/*]YW, and TY, too. Yes, and did you see that he filed an appeal based on PTSD? What nerve!

Fairly interesting childhood. When a kid, he had to disappear from the home during the day because his mother rented the top floor to a married couple, and his mother must have thought that couple needed peace and quiet. He used to go sit in the library and other places. All day. He slept on the couch, and had to make his bedding "disappear" after he woke up so the couple wouldn't know he was there.

When married and he lost his job, he went to the train station every day, and read the paper, etc., so his family would think he was working still.

Totally weird, don't think PTSD had anything to do with the murders. His mother kept him in suits, and wouldn't let him play with the other kids, he might get dirty. His neighbors in adulthood said he even cut the grass in a suit and tie.

Wonder where he'll be buried...His mother is buried in Frankenmuth, MI, her childhood home.

It's my opinon that he was a very weird duck, maybe because of his childhood.

I'm writing an article about him, for our local historical site. This death will be the final paragraph.

Thanks so much. :seeya:

[BobbysGirl]

Yes, I remember how creepy the house was when I saw it on TV/ He lined the bodies up in a huge room (?). Kept the heat off. IIRC wasn't there a ceiling, fresco or chandaliers that were worth a million or more dollars? He was a frugal man and simple life style if IRC.

So creepy

BG

[wandering]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl
Yes, I remember how creepy the house was when I saw it on TV/ He lined the bodies up in a huge room (?). Kept the heat off. IIRC wasn't there a ceiling, fresco or chandaliers that were worth a million or more dollars? He was a frugal man and simple life style if IRC.

So creepy

BG [/*]Yes, there was a Tiffany glass ceiling in that room, signed by Tiffany! Almost priceless. Wonder what he said when they told him that? I haven't been able to find anything about who told him he would have been rich!

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl
Yes, I remember how creepy the house was when I saw it on TV/ He lined the bodies up in a huge room (?). Kept the heat off. IIRC wasn't there a ceiling, fresco or chandaliers that were worth a million or more dollars? He was a frugal man and simple life style if IRC.

So creepy

BG [/*]

I would hardly consider an accountant who supported his elderly mother, and had a wife disabled by tertiary syphilis, who purchased a 19-room mansion to be living a frugal lifestyle.

I had no idea he was still alive.

[wandering]

Originally posted by sardoodledom


I would hardly consider an accountant who supported his elderly mother, and had a wife disabled by tertiary syphilis, who purchased a 19-room mansion to be living a frugal lifestyle.

I had no idea he was still alive. [/*]He didn't support his mother, she had money from her dead husband, John's father, so he got I think, $10,000.00 from her, to buy the house. That was with the suggestion that she move from MI to the new house. She did, and had her own apartment upstairs.

In the link it says she had $200,000.00, and John had been stealing it (he was in charge of her finances), so he had to kill her before she found out they were all going down the drain.

We have a historic library here, and John worked there in high school. He told people there that he hoped one day to have a house like that. The library is fabulous, donated by a lumber baron.

That's why he bought the grand house.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by wandering
Here's a link, in case anyone's interested in the whole story.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/list/1.html [/*]

Thanks I'll read that later. So the POS murderer got to live all these years in prison. If this didn't call for the death penalty then what does?

[wandering]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I remember his case very well; I'll never forget it. He left them behind like chit on your shoe. It's true, he really did. And then went on to be an acct somewhere else, and was right back in the same situation, low paying job a mortgage, a wife.....she was lucky that JW aired his case.....she could have been next.
CT [/*]Yep, but if you notice, he quit wearing suits, and spiffing up. It was as though since his mother was dead, he finally got to relax. :chicken:

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by clannad
NJ man who killed his family and hid for 17 years dies in custody.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080324/NEWS/80324043 [/*]

Bizarre. I am with the other posters, I had no clue he was still alive. He lived to be 82 years old and his youngest child only got to experience life until he was 13 -- when List snuffed out his life.

Life is so unfair sometimes. I can't say that I am upset about his death because I certainly am NOT.

[duncan]

I remember this case too, I watched a crime show and he recounted the murders, he was so calm as he talked about killing his family.

I did not know about his childhood, mowing the grass in a suit??? That is sad too.

[clannad]

YW wandering! Yes, I noticed his PTSD appeal. What nerve is right!

2 more links with info on the crime. One from AMW, and the other from the Star Ledger newspaper. The link from the Star Ledger
has a picture of the house, which doesn't look too creepy in daylight. I still can't look at it without my hair standing up though.

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=2613


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/notorious_killer_john_list_dea.html

[wandering]

Here's another link.

http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/crime/list.html

[wandering]

Originally posted by clannad
YW wandering! Yes, I noticed his PTSD appeal. What nerve is right!

2 more links with info on the crime. One from AMW, and the other from the Star Ledger newspaper. The link from the Star Ledger
has a picture of the house, which doesn't look too creepy in daylight. I still can't look at it without my hair standing up though.

http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=2613


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/notorious_killer_john_list_dea.html [/*]TY. Better it burned, it must have been a terrible sight/smell inside. :chicken:

[Amy S.]

Thanks for this news. Hadn't he called the kid's school and said they were taking a vacation for awhile?

[Roux]

One of my most vivid memories of the List case was the age-progressed model done by the forensic artist (can't remember his name, Frank ???, but he's very well known) for AMW. It looked EXACTLY like List when he was arrested. In fact, wasn't it a neighbor who saw the show and recognized him?

[clannad]

Amy- YW. I've read that he had informed "people" that the family was either on, or going on vacation. IMO, He really planned his getaway to give him plenty of time to disappear, notifying the school would have been right there at the top of his list I would imagine.

Roux- Yup a neighbor did call AMW. She had been his neighbor when he lived in Colorado.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE5DA1F30F931A35755C0A96F9482 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

[monica]

Have y'all read Righteous Carnage? It's very good!

[wandering]

Originally posted by monica
Have y'all read Righteous Carnage? It's very good! [/*]Yes, I did, and it's the best book about the case. It even has the address of his childhood home, and I went by there to look at it. It's still in great shape.

[wandering]

Originally posted by packy
After reading about him, I seem to remember he never quite made it to where he wanted to be in life. He was a very detailed but also very intense person I believe because of the impression I got, and somehow always seems to fail.

If I remember right there was something about he had been very active in the church or community back in his home town or some place he and his mom had lived for awhile, and yet when someone went back to interview people who would have known him it seemed they hardly remembered him. [/*]He wasn't "active" in the community. People hardly remember him because he had no personality, and because no one wants to admit they knew him. It's not a discussed subject round here. Pretend he's not one of us type of thing. :rolleyes:

[Cat Lady]

Robert Blake played List in a TV movie. His performance was very eerie!

[wandering]

Originally posted by Cat Lady
Robert Blake played List in a TV movie. His performance was very eerie! [/*]yep. The title is "Judgment Day," the John List Story.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by wandering
He wasn't "active" in the community. People hardly remember him because he had no personality, and because no one wants to admit they knew him. It's not a discussed subject round here. Pretend he's not one of us type of thing. :rolleyes: [/*]

Yeah, kind of like how Cincinnati natives feel about the fact that Charles Manson was born there! Not exactly something you would ever put in a brochure for tourism!

Such a sad and heartbreaking chapter of life. I remember reading about the priceless Tiffany glasswork that was discovered in the List house after the murders. If he had only known about it, it might have made the literal difference between life and death for his family. Or maybe not...seems to me that List was "off" by more than a button or two...JMO though.

[MyThoughts]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Thanks I'll read that later. So the POS murderer got to live all these years in prison. If this didn't call for the death penalty then what does? [/*]

There was no death penalty when this happen I think

[Adalena935]

He had 82 years and condemned his children so few. He hid out and changed his identity to afford himself all those years that he never deserved.

He was obsessive compulsive. Probably part of his personality was his weirdo relationship with his Mother and part genetic. That's my guess.

He was a cruel and evil man. Don't let his quiet demeanor fool you. May god have mercy on his soul.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Cat Lady
Robert Blake played List in a TV movie. His performance was very eerie! [/*]

Robert Blake is such a fantastic actor. One of the best in my opinion. He could really make you believe he was the character he portrayed.

[sardoodledom]

Originally posted by OverItAll
There's no mention of Helen's daughter from her previous marriage in those articles. Anyone know what happened to her? [/*]

I wasn't aware there was one. I thought Helen's first husband was killed in the Korean conflict and they had no children.

[Katt2]

Originally posted by sardoodledom


I wasn't aware there was one. I thought Helen's first husband was killed in the Korean conflict and they had no children. [/*]

Helen had a 9 year old daughter named Brenda when she met John. I cannot find what happend to her other than at the age of 16 she became rebellious and wanted to leave home.

[clannad]

Originally posted by Katt2


Helen had a 9 year old daughter named Brenda when she met John. I cannot find what happend to her other than at the age of 16 she became rebellious and wanted to leave home. [/*]

WOW! Thanks for the info Katt2. I didn't know that Helen had a daughter from a previous marriage either.

[texski]

i read an old paperback on this case a fe
w years ago.
the author blamed the wife for wanting an upscale lifestyle and spending more money than he could earn. not a reason for murder, especially the children.
but she was supposed to be the one who insisted on the big house, etc. and he felt he had failed to give her what she wanted.

[islandgirl36542]

did this POS ever show any sort of remorse for what he did.

RIP.....Helen, daughter, Patricia, 16; his sons John, 15, and Frederick, 13, and his mother, Alma, 85.....:rose: :rose: :rose:

[monica]

I'd like to know what happened to Helen's daughter as well and what about John's second wife?

[wandering]

List's daughter had told a teacher List was going to kill them all.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE7D81430F934A15750C0A9669582 60

[wandering]

Here's some interesting comments, one from his brother, and descriptions of him from one of the extradition officers. A "strange man, with a superior attitude..."


http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080325/NEWS/803250327/1001

[wandering]

No one has claimed his body.


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/no_one_has_stepped_forward.html

[wandering]

The bogeyman of Westfield. About the house, and when the family moved in. "We don't socialize," he told a neighbor...


http://blog.nj.com/njv_mark_diionno/2008/03/the_bogeyman_of_westfield_a_gh.html

[wandering]

Excerpts from the book, "Righteous Carnage." Includes remarks from his last wife, "Mrs. Bob Clark," when they came to arrest List. Lots of pictures.


http://books.google.com/books?id=krisGVvCBbEC&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=john+list+murder&source=web&ots=n8pyWrBJmC&sig=XEOx8avHak3r7hcL9OWccXdwHak&hl=en#PPA242,M1

[awareness]

Originally posted by wandering
No one has claimed his body.


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/no_one_has_stepped_forward.html [/*]

In this article it said:
Attempts to reach List's former wife, Delores, whom he married in Denver while a fugitive and later moved with to Richmond, Va., where he was apprehended, have been unsuccessful. During his years on the run, List went by the name Robert Clark.

I assume she would have filed for divorce?

I also wonder what happened to Helen's oldest daughter.

I wonder if that Tiffany glass fixture was destroyed when the house was burned down? Hopefully someone got it out before the kids started going in there to conduct seances.

Glad this creep is dead, what a whack job.

JMO/IMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by awareness


In this article it said:
Attempts to reach List's former wife, Delores, whom he married in Denver while a fugitive and later moved with to Richmond, Va., where he was apprehended, have been unsuccessful. During his years on the run, List went by the name Robert Clark.

I assume she would have filed for divorce?

I also wonder what happened to Helen's oldest daughter.

I wonder if that Tiffany glass fixture was destroyed when the house was burned down? Hopefully someone got it out before the kids started going in there to conduct seances.

Glad this creep is dead, what a whack job.

JMO/IMO [/*]No, the Tiffany ceiling was destroyed in the fire. :(

[Mamie]

Originally posted by BobbysGirl
WOW I remember the name and can see his face but forgot the case. Now I know who he is. Many crime shows about him.

BG [/*]


Robert Blake played him in the movie and the wife was Beverly De Angelo.

[shelkobe]

Oh wow, I did not read this before now. Glad he at least served some jail time for those crimes. And to die in jail, how humiliating.

I remember nearly every year after the crime, usually around the anniversary of their killings, my former local paper, the now defunct Elizabeth Daily Journal, always did a big story on the crime and the fact that List was still missing. Was always glad he was finally caught.

Eh, good riddance.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Aame
i say plant him in the mud face down, doesn't deserve any more. [/*]It says in the article that they are going to hold him for awhile, and if no one claims him, they'll return him to the Dept. of Corrections and they will send him to a funeral director, who will cremate him and the remains (in a concrete vault) will be buried.


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/03/no_one_has_stepped_forward.html

May the fires of hell burn him forever.

For the family and victims of John List. :rose:

[wandering]

Originally posted by monica
I'd like to know what happened to Helen's daughter as well and what about John's second wife? [/*]I don't know where his second wife is, and I'll bet she's going to stay "lost." She won't want his body, after the trial and everything. :chicken:

I guess you'll have to read the book "Righteous Carnage" to find out what happened to Helen's daughter. IIRC, she disappeared.

[aubrey04]

Originally posted by wandering
I don't know where his second wife is, and I'll bet she's going to stay "lost." She won't want his body, after the trial and everything. :chicken:

I guess you'll have to read the book "Righteous Carnage" to find out what happened to Helen's daughter. IIRC, she disappeared. [/*]

I bet you are right. I bet the second wife will not resurface to claim the body... and if I was married to or the child of someone like this monster, I'd change my name, move away and rescript my life and background. Who would want to be associated w/this creep in any way?

[monica]

Originally posted by wandering
I don't know where his second wife is, and I'll bet she's going to stay "lost." She won't want his body, after the trial and everything. :chicken:

I guess you'll have to read the book "Righteous Carnage" to find out what happened to Helen's daughter. IIRC, she disappeared. [/*]

I'm going to have to re-read Righteous Carnage. I borrowed it from someone but I can't remember some of the details...Helen's daughter being one of them.

I have to go to *&N to pick up a book for our daughter and while I'm in there I'm going to look for it.

[awareness]

Interesting that the daughter disappeared... wonder if List had to do with that OR maybe she wanted to vanish after her mom/sibs were murdered in case he came after her too. Her dad had died, so wonder if she went to live with paternal family at all.

Yeah no doubt the second wife would stay FAR away... I would too if I were her. My ex and I had a not-great falling out, however, I think he'd come claim my body if no one else would.

wandering - that's a bummer re Tiffany ceiling! thanks for the answer!

JMO/IMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by monica


I'm going to have to re-read Righteous Carnage. I borrowed it from someone but I can't remember some of the details...Helen's daughter being one of them.

I have to go to *&N to pick up a book for our daughter and while I'm in there I'm going to look for it. [/*]Yep, it's a good book. Wish I still had it.

[wandering]

Originally posted by awareness
Interesting that the daughter disappeared... wonder if List had to do with that OR maybe she wanted to vanish after her mom/sibs were murdered in case he came after her too. Her dad had died, so wonder if she went to live with paternal family at all.

Yeah no doubt the second wife would stay FAR away... I would too if I were her. My ex and I had a not-great falling out, however, I think he'd come claim my body if no one else would.

wandering - that's a bummer re Tiffany ceiling! thanks for the answer!

JMO/IMO [/*]YW, awareness.

[wandering]

Originally posted by aubrey04


I bet you are right. I bet the second wife will not resurface to claim the body... and if I was married to or the child of someone like this monster, I'd change my name, move away and rescript my life and background. Who would want to be associated w/this creep in any way? [/*]Poor woman. Imagine finding out the husband you spent years with was a killer? And he might have killed her, too. They were in a financial mess, nothing new for him. :chicken:

[wandering]

Here's an interesting link about Connie Chung's interview with him. There's an inner link to List's 5 page confession letter.


http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/crime/john_list_update.html

[wandering]

Originally posted by awareness
Interesting that the daughter disappeared... wonder if List had to do with that OR maybe she wanted to vanish after her mom/sibs were murdered in case he came after her too. Her dad had died, so wonder if she went to live with paternal family at all.

Yeah no doubt the second wife would stay FAR away... I would too if I were her. My ex and I had a not-great falling out, however, I think he'd come claim my body if no one else would.

wandering - that's a bummer re Tiffany ceiling! thanks for the answer!

JMO/IMO [/*]It says here that Helen's first child died at 6 months, and then she had a miscarriage. So, apparently there is no older daughter. We can put that one to rest...


http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/crime/list.html

[monica]

Tried to find Righteous Carnage but it's not in stock at any of our *&N's or library but I did find an inexpensive copy on line so I've ordered it.

wandering, good link you posted there.

[awareness]

Originally posted by wandering
It says here that Helen's first child died at 6 months, and then she had a miscarriage. So, apparently there is no older daughter. We can put that one to rest...


http://www.jesus21.com/poppydixon/crime/list.html [/*]

Thanks for the link... I read the passage that talks about Helen:

====
Helen List, John's wife, had been abused as a child. She first married at 16, bore two children - one of which died at six months, and suffered a miscarriage.
====

IMO it says one of them died at six months, but the other child? IMO they're talking about a child that was born and not the miscarriage.

Here at Crime Library it talks that Helen had a daughter:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/list/9.html

====
Helen was a recent military widow with a nine-year-old daughter. John courted her enthusiastically, and she was eager to find a new husband.
.......
Brenda, Helen's first child, was growing estranged. Now 16, she wanted to get out of the house and she was causing trouble.
====

The article doesn't follow up on Brenda at all though, those are the only mentions of her.

edit - her name may be Brenda Taylor since Helen's last name was Taylor when she met John (according to Crime Library). I tried to google some general terms but no good hits came up.

JMO/IMO

[awareness]

There’s also quotes from Righteous Carnage : The List murders in Westfield about Brenda… you can read some of it under “google book search”. Among the bits I can gather from the book:
====

Helen left her with the Morrises of Newport News when her and John got married.

Helen left her with her grandmother when the List’s went to California.

Over time Helen was asking Brenda to do more work around the house that John felt was Helen’s work.

After John Frederick was born, Helen became depressed and often held Brenda back from school to watch Patty and baby John.

Possibly in 1958? States Brenda at age 16 came home and revealed she was pregnant. So was Helen at the time. Helen wouldn’t talk to Brenda about the pregnancy but John, as a role of her protector and step-father did and together they decided Brenda would go to the Florence Critenden Home for Unwed Mothers & give the baby up for adoption (which she did do). Brenda is quoted on this page of the book as saying John was always there for her and never cut her down.

Brenda remembers her mother drinking & taking tranquilizers.

John took Brenda to church every Sunday.

In August of 1960, Brenda got married to Richard Wayne Herndon and was pregnant again at the time. Helen and John felt Richard had limited opportunities for work. Brenda was 18. Brenda and Helen would continue to grow estranged. Brenda was divorced by 1968. Brenda then soon married Daniel Lee Olvitt, whom she would divorce shortly after. Brenda got married for a third time in 1974 to Thomas Nelson DeYoung.
====

So she must have been well out of the house by the time the murders took place. There's no mention of her whereabouts after that.

JMO/IMO

[wandering]

Originally posted by awareness
There’s also quotes from Righteous Carnage : The List murders in Westfield about Brenda… you can read some of it under “google book search”. Among the bits I can gather from the book:
====

Helen left her with the Morrises of Newport News when her and John got married.

Helen left her with her grandmother when the List’s went to California.

Over time Helen was asking Brenda to do more work around the house that John felt was Helen’s work.

After John Frederick was born, Helen became depressed and often held Brenda back from school to watch Patty and baby John.

Possibly in 1958? States Brenda at age 16 came home and revealed she was pregnant. So was Helen at the time. Helen wouldn’t talk to Brenda about the pregnancy but John, as a role of her protector and step-father did and together they decided Brenda would go to the Florence Critenden Home for Unwed Mothers & give the baby up for adoption (which she did do). Brenda is quoted on this page of the book as saying John was always there for her and never cut her down.

Brenda remembers her mother drinking & taking tranquilizers.

John took Brenda to church every Sunday.

In August of 1960, Brenda got married to Richard Wayne Herndon and was pregnant again at the time. Helen and John felt Richard had limited opportunities for work. Brenda was 18. Brenda and Helen would continue to grow estranged. Brenda was divorced by 1968. Brenda then soon married Daniel Lee Olvitt, whom she would divorce shortly after. Brenda got married for a third time in 1974 to Nelson DeYoung.
====

So she must have been well out of the house by the time the murders took place. There's no mention of her whereabouts after that.

JMO/IMO [/*]Thanks, awareness. That's some great research! I think she's hiding, and I don't blame her.

[awareness]

Im still poking around the web for Brenda... found this interesting blurb:

http://www.fcrosby.com/gedhtml/wga33.html

DeYoung, Thomas Nelson (private) - male
spouse: Taylor, Brenda (private)

then when I click on Brenda's name it says this:
Taylor, Brenda (private) - female
father: Taylor, Marvin (? - ~1951)
mother: Morris, Helen (1924 - 1971)
spouse: DeYoung, Thomas Nelson (private)
spouse: Herndon, Richard Wayne (private)
spouse: Olveet, Daniel Lee (private)

====

some geneology search, but that's it I think?

JMO/IMO

[monica]

Gosh, y'all are GOOD!!!

[wandering]

Finally, a story posted on our local information site. Some interesting facts here about List's military career. He was, apparently, somewhat of a hero.

The Salzburg area mentioned in this article is/was a German enclave, established early in Bay City's history, during the settlement years. The church mentioned is still there, and in fine shape.

The brick business building mentioned in the article is still there, too, and now houses, in part, a rowdy bar, reminiscent of the lumbering days, when men quenched their thirst after a hard days work. It's now a very old, gray crumbling structure, and in fact, the whole Salzburg area is rather in need of repair. The railroad tracks still dominate the area.


http://www.mybaycity.com/scripts/Article_View.cfm?ArticleID=2465&NewspaperID=449

[wandering]

Here's a fabulous link of newspaper archives since 1971, the year of the crime.


http://www.goleader.com/list/

[wandering]

It says in this link that Helen's daughter Brenda was somewhere in Michigan at the time of the discovery of the bodies, and had not yet been notified. (right-hand column, in the survivors info)


http://www.goleader.com/list/list.pdf

Oh, sorry, there's a clearer version of that on page 3.

[wandering]

There's an interview of Helen's daughter Brenda, on page 22.


http://www.goleader.com/list/list.pdf

[wandering]

Pictures. The house, before and after the fire, John's childhood home (it still looks like that), a beautiful picture of Helen...


http://www.goleader.com/list/list03.pdf

[awareness]

Originally posted by wandering
It says in this link that Helen's daughter Brenda was somewhere in Michigan at the time of the discovery of the bodies, and had not yet been notified. (right-hand column, in the survivors info)

http://www.goleader.com/list/list.pdf

Oh, sorry, there's a clearer version of that on page 3. [/*]

Great finds wandering!

In that first mention, it shows Brenda's name as List-Herndon, I think that's her 2nd husband's name. spouse: Herndon, Richard Wayne (private)

Great photo link too, you can see List's second wife.

In that interview on page 22, it lists Brenda's third husband's last name DeYoung (maybe they were still married at that time). Brenda must be 60-65 around now? The article states she had 5 children. Crazy the semi-indifference she seems to have about John killing her mother & siblings... all seemingly based on how he raised/treated her and she knew her mother had a drinking problem. I wonder what his reaction was at seeing her at trial and what her reaction was when he was found guilty.

JMO/IMO

[gamergirl]

Originally posted by wandering
Here's a link, in case anyone's interested in the whole story.


http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/list/1.html [/*]

Thanks for the link. A very interesting story. Very disturbing as well.

[wandering]

Originally posted by txfemale45
When American Justice (A&E) interviewed him in prison one thing bothered me he said while on the run he had his parole already and knew he would die in prison very errie...... [/*]What a slime! I'll always wonder if he would have murdered his present wife too. I'll bet she is wondering, too. :chicken:

No one has claimed the body yet.