March 24th. - 3/31

[n/t]

Carrying this over because I thought it was good post.

marshmallow
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Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Rochester, NY
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My opinion is that they believe he pulled his own disappearing act and while they're not in contact with him they aren't too sure foul play happened, they would like him to speak up.
After wading through this thread and putting aside the static of religious choices and artistic talents, I really think his family is reacting this way because they love him and want him back safely but they believe he has the power to return on his own.
I wonder if this isn't a case of run-away-bride-ism and he's gotten himself in so deep that it's harder and harder for him to just pop up and say "I'm over here...gotcha"


I don't like judging religions, God told me not to, to each their own unless they want to replace my own with their own. God is God to me. But because it might have some bearing on his possible frame of mind:
Another angle for him resigning from his church is that may have been his only way of heading toward divorce. How does his church feel about divorce? We know how they feel about rapid procreation ..
My next break I'll read up on their divorce stance but I'm guessing I already know.

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Hi Marshmallow and welcome. Don't think I've seen you post here before.

I believe he did take off and I also believe he told his wife he was going to. I agree with you that perhaps he may not have expected all this media attention and is in somewhat of a panic or very confused about what his next step would be. I hope he has contacted a lawyer.

Continued prayers for Nicholas. I still believe you are alive. Please do the right thing. If you haven't contacted a lawyer, do so or help line that may give you advice but please let someone know you are alive!:rose:

[Shelby1]

:rose: I hope Nicholas is found today.

[need2no]

I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.

:rose: For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere.

[Miss Behavin]

So I take it there is no new news today?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t
Continued prayers for Nicholas. I still believe you are alive. Please do the right thing. If you haven't contacted a lawyer, do so or help line that may give you advice but please let someone know you are alive!:rose: [/*]

Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so. :rose:

[isitme]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so. :rose: [/*]

For what purpose?????

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Prayers for the Francisco Family.
I do so hope Nicholas, Christine and many of their acquaintances seek an attorney or have already done so. :rose: [/*]

Wow, what an EXCELLENT idea Pernecia. If some sort of scam <financial or otherwise> is being perpetrated, legal advice is certainly the best remedy.

MOO and stuff.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no
I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.

:rose: For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere. [/*]

Excellent need2no!!!

[figritout]

Originally posted by need2no
I am of the opinion that NF walked and have wondered about how all this might have taken a different turn.

Suppose NF was concerned about the new addition to the already financially strapped family and in part blamed the church teachings and beliefs for this. They had argued. Why did she stop the birth control and keep it a secret. He doesn't know how he can take on anymore. They had agreed to resign from the church, but NF still feels betrayed by his wife. Then NF hears rumors of pending layoffs at work. It's all too much for him and he decides he must get away, needs to clear his head, AND do it before Valentine's day. He doesn't like confrontational situations and knows he can't face just going through the motions on Valentine's day.

When he doesn't arrive home on the 13th, CF wonders if he has split, wonders if this is why he told her his cell phone battery was dead. Remembers he was angry when she asked him to stop for sugar after work. Yet she isn't sure what's going on, maybe he had a wreck or something... she is fearful (on both levels) and impatient so she calls LE and reports him missing.

CF thinks LE will track him down and she'll find out why NF didn't make it home, or this would "force" him to return and explain.

LE conducts interviews and starts searching but they don't find NF or any clues as to what happened.

CF doesn't feel like working, closes her shops and mentions her DH is missing... she needs to explain the closure and a little sympathy can't hurt. Meanwhile she is looking through the house and realizes some of his 'prized possessions' appear to be missing...she wonders. She checks out stuff on the computer and wonders even more.

Then family, neighbors, church members and friends start dropping by with kind words and sympathy, calling, bringing food, playing with the children, and asking if there is anything they can do to help. The attention feels pretty good. She deserves it, especially if that *******walked out on her and the children. She's still confused, not sure if she should share her suspicions or keep them to herself. Either way she wants him to be found. She's upset, angry and confused.

Meanwhile the E group decides to solicit donations for her and the children.

At some point NF contacts her and advises he had to get away for a while to sort through things and make some decisions and he will be in contact with her again when he can, or when he has decided what to do. He will send money as soon as he gets back on his feet, and he is glad to hear Publicis is continuing his salary. CF advises him she called LE and they are searching for him. Missing posters are being hung and are on the internet. NF panics and is angry she called LE in the 1st place and hangs the phone up on her before she even has a chance to ask where he is at.

CF figures what the heck she will just continue to leave things as is. After all her DH IS in fact gone and she could use the funds to catch up their bills, and the children would enjoy and be preoccupied with some new toys...no harm in that. When DH returns she can just thank everyone for their prayers and "gifts of love" which helped her and her family pull through until they reunited.

What she doesn't expect is for this to go nationwide and for the public to become somewhat obsessed with the case of her missing hubby, and tear apart her every word and their marriage. But when the E group thoughtfully set up interviews with Greta and Nancy what could she do, how would it look if she refused, or didn't make pleas for the safe return of her hubby. She finds herself in a quandary and knows to admit the truth would not only humiliate her but many would be angry she accepted the financial assistance wondering if she had known all along. The fairy tale would be questioned and this would be impossible for her to handle. In her state of anger she thinks of him as a dead man, decides to plan her life without him after weeks pass and he has not called her back.

At some point NF realizes this has all gotten terribly out of hand. His face and description is being plastered everywhere. He doesn't know where to turn or what to do. He feels forced into hiding now that he knows he is being searched for by LE and possibly many citizens. How could this have happened. How can he seek and land employment. Now he has to come up with a plan 2 to survive. Maybe CF meant it when she said she never wanted to see him again, and she'd never forgive him for deserting her and the children.

The problem with the above theory is if he just walked away wouldn't he expect CF to contact LE and report him missing, or did he assume she would assume he had left her and therefore there was no reason to get LE involved in the marital issues. But then why come up with the story of the non working cell phone. IF he walked and CF called him he didn't have to answer her call. So why tell co-workers his battery was dead? Did he want people to question whether he walked or met with foul play? Surely he would realize if people thought he met with foul play they would be looking for him. This cell phone situation is really a puzzling aspect of this case, unless it was a mere coincidence, or NF just failed to think it through thoroughly.

If CF had only called LE and left it at that none of this would have been mentioned after a few days. LE would have reported they had no leads and no evidence to lead them to believe foul play was involved. Granted, his co-workers and family might still be wondering and looking, but that's all, and it would have been kept as a local matter only.

Sorry, just thinking and speculating out loud. I really want to believe Nicholas is safe. I really want to believe he left because he was overwhelmed, or to protect his family (from something). I really want to believe NF will be a father to his 3 children again one day. I really want to believe CF was blindsided and backed herself into this situation with the donations and it snowballed. I really want to believe neither of them could have ever imagined things would turn out the way they have, and that they are both uncertain how to get out of this mess they are in. I continually remind myself that they are still relatively young and still have much to learn about life.

I like fairy tales myself...and happy endings.


:rose: For Nicholas, hoping you are safe somewhere. [/*]

Awesome post!!!

[SeattleEddie]

N2N, I agree with your theory. I think also she knew he would be leaving and was probably calling and calling trying to get him to come home. He said his phone was dead to avoid all the calls. But what I don't get is the sugar/Costco story.

[LiLMaggie]

I think he met with foul play. After looking at all those missing men last night. :(

I hope I'm wrong.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
N2N, I agree with your theory. I think also she knew he would be leaving and was probably calling and calling trying to get him to come home. He said his phone was dead to avoid all the calls. But what I don't get is the sugar/Costco story. [/*]

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Eddie, I think I've read that you believe Nicholas walked away ... which I understand is JUST your OPINION I might add.

Anyway ... if so, from a man's perspective, wouldn't he be missing his kids horribly right now?
His son looks so much like him, wouldn't his heart be aching to hold him?

Just some random thoughts ... but it just hurts allot, to think how he must be hurting, if he did walk away .. for his kids.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


......good advice, I think they will need one. [/*]

I believe you are correct alone with a "few" others.


Bring Nicholas Home :rose:

[MoonFlwr]

Didn't expect you guys to be *back on the other side* already, today!

Isn't Easter Monday a holiday in the States, Canada etc?

Anyway, there have been so many theories bandied around.
I am so hoping not to hear bad news in the case!
:(
I guess, the chances 'feel' slim, to me.

[wondering?]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
I think he met with foul play. After looking at all those missing men last night. :(

I hope I'm wrong. [/*]

I was shocked when I went down the list of missing people in Washington! And so many just since Nicholas went missing. What is going on?
Is this usual and what is being done about it?

I keep checking in, hoping that our prayers are answered and he has been found!

Where are u Nicholas?

[need2no]

Originally posted by andover


Oh SB, one would hope that they already have.....but sadly I would take a guess that they have not yet. But in keeping with the subject of finding Nicholas my hope is that someone from the family would contact TES to see if they can help with the effort in any way. If they were unable to dedicate any resources to the search effort right away I would think they would be willing to put his picture on the website. [/*]


Here is another great missing person site where sadly Nicholas and his pic are not listed.
:mad: :confused:

http://www.nampn.org/hot.html

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


This goes right along with the belief by the Francisco family that he is not missing but is deceased. [/*]

The wife has stated that belief. Have others in his family said that as well?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


This goes right along with the belief by the Francisco family that he is not missing but is deceased. [/*]

Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


I do not know if they have stated that belief, they have been way too quiet. [/*]

Maybe they have heard from him... I'd like to think that's the case. It seems so strange that they are not out in the public trying to find him if they still haven't been contacted by him.

I know someone posted here that they thought the family has been quiet because they don't want to be "attacked" like some say his wife has been. But that doesn't make sense to me -- if their son and brother is missing, some ideas/speculation etc posted on the Internet should be the least of their worries. And with LE saying there is no evidence of foul play and none of him leaving on his own, I don't understand why anyone would choose to think the worse and then just give up. IMO.

[need2no]

I thought this was an interesting article and hadn't noticed it previously posted. I added a snippet of the article.

THE MAN WHO HELPS PEOPLE DISAPPEAR

Success is dependent on following a strict set of rules and, despite increasing technology storing huge amounts of personal information, he insists it is actually now easier for people to reinvent themselves than ever before.

"It definitely seems like more people are wanting to disappear," he says. "A lot of people just reach a time in their life when enough is enough and for those that take that big step, technology is much more of a friend than a foe.

"There's pay as you go phones, even pay as you go credit cards. The days when you had to go into a bank with an account book to withdraw money are long gone.

"My job is basically to go through a checklist with the client and ensure that all lose ends are tied up. The other thing I do is to create false leads, so if someone does come looking for them they will be faced with numerous options, all of them leading to a dead end."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/features/The-man-who-helps-people.3878817.jp?articlepage=2

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no


Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

This has always puzzled me -- why think the worse, unless you know something? I wonder what LE thinks about all that too. OTOH, they have probably talked to her a lot by this time and may have a better or different overall sense of what she means than we can get from news interview sound bites and article quotes. And her blog posts and comments.

I think it is relevant to the case and what might have happened to him, to look at the fact that his wife has not made any public personal appeals to *him* to please call or return home and that whatever has happened, they can work things out. The lack of that kind of communication could be stress or embarrassment, or it could be something else. But it doesnt' come across as hope to me. [/*]

[need2no]

Originally posted by All4Nic


I think that's a good idea, I just submitted his info/picture to the website listed above. [/*]

:patriot: way to go All4Nic!!

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


This has always puzzled me -- why think the worse, unless you know something? I wonder what LE thinks about all that too.

I think it is relevant to the case and what might have happened to him, to look at the fact that his wife has not made any public personal appeals to *him* to please call or return home and that whatever has happened, they can work things out. The lack of that kind of communication could be stress or pride, or it could be something else. But it doesnt' come across as hope to me. [/*]

I know what you're saying, but I couldn't think of a better time to toss out your pride, and to do something should lessen your stress a tad. Sitting on your hands doing nothing would seem more stressful, and certainly counterproductive to me.

[Shimz]

So I always thought that logical place to search for NF was near where his car was found....

Yesterday here on staten island, remains were found and are believed to be that of Amy Giordano who went missing last year.

From what I remember, a car was found... can't remember now if it was his car or hers... but the location of the car and where the bones were found are on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sides of the island...

So now I am thinking.. what if NF's car was driven to the condos as a diversion (as some have already said)... it could really throw people off.. then they really would have no idea where to search...

They would just have to wait for a tip like they did here on s.i.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz
So I always thought that logical place to search for NF was near where his car was found....

Yesterday here on staten island, remains were found and are believed to be that of Amy Giordano who went missing last year.

From what I remember, a car was found... can't remember now if it was his car or hers... but the location of the car and where the bones were found are on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sides of the island...

So now I am thinking.. what if NF's car was driven to the condos as a diversion (as some have already said)... it could really throw people off.. then they really would have no idea where to search...

They would just have to wait for a tip like they did here on s.i. [/*]

That's exactly what I am thinking...send LE and searchers on a wild goose chase. At the very least it is a great way to buy time. Whoever put the car in the condo parking lot hid it in plain sight. Everyone knows how coveted parking is at apartments and condos, and everyone knows the person assigned to the parking spot will complain if someone else dares to park in their spot. Might as well park that red car in the middle of the highway and post a banner on it saying NICHOLAS FRANCISCO'S CAR!!

[Shimz]

Originally posted by need2no


That's exactly what I am thinking...send LE and searchers on a wild goose chase. At the very least it is a great way to buy time. Whoever put the car in the condo parking lot hid it in plain sight. Everyone knows how coveted parking is at apartments and condos, and everyone knows the person assigned to the parking spot will complain if someone else dares to park in their spot. Might as well park that red car in the middle of the highway and post a banner on it saying NICHOLAS FRANCISCO'S CAR!! [/*]

ITA!! If they didn't want it to be found the are definitely a lot of better places to hide it than someones parking spot for their house!

OTOH.. i have a friend who lives in a condo complex like that, and i was there last week and i looked at the parking spots... there is no differentiation between reserved spots and visitor spots... i mean, there are no numbers on them or anything... If I wasn't familiar with the complex, I would definitely not be able to tell for sure which ones were visitor and which were assigned...

So if the person wasn't that familiar with the complex, they may not have known it was an assigned space... (I don't know if there were numbers on them or something telling visitors they were assigned)

I think the chances of that are slim, but possible... either way it seems like the car was meant to be found

[Shimz]

Originally posted by andover
I fully understand that each person reacts different to any given situation, some are pessimists and some are optimists. I can respect the fact that some people when faced with a difficult and stressful situation will always think the worst. We must though always leave our mind and more importantly our hearts open to any possibility when dealing with someone important in our lives. I can guarantee everyone this, Nic is not gone "without a trace". Contrary to what some believe, this would only be possible if an alien took him, we all know that is ridiculous. Nic does in fact exist somewhere either dead or alive. I would think, but this is strictly my opinion that his friends and family would want to know where he is; if he is laying dead somewhere to give him a proper burial and if he is alive to make sure he is okay and his basic needs are being taken care of.

I can't understand why there are few posters of Nic up in the Seattle area (a few forum members from the area have reported this), why his employer took down the posters in the lobby (also reported by someone on this forum), why TES has not (at least as of approximately a week ago) been contacted, why he is not listed on many websites dedicated for missing persons.

I know posters end up getting taken down, but can we get a crew together to repost them once a week at least in the immediate area where he lives? Can we get a list together of several websites where he can be listed? Does anyone have any connections with the media? The more his picture and name are "out there" the bigger chance that he will be found.

My heart breaks for this family, I cannot imagine the pain of having someone in my family missing. Instead of fighting amongst each other about what may or may not have happened can we ban together in unity toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? Can we come up with ideas of how to get his name and picture in as many places as possible? Can we use TODAY to remain positive toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? We have the power to help this family, let's come up with some ideas my friends. [/*]

very well said :patriot:

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Shimz


ITA!! If they didn't want it to be found the are definitely a lot of better places to hide it than someones parking spot for their house!

OTOH.. i have a friend who lives in a condo complex like that, and i was there last week and i looked at the parking spots... there is no differentiation between reserved spots and visitor spots... i mean, there are no numbers on them or anything... If I wasn't familiar with the complex, I would definitely not be able to tell for sure which ones were visitor and which were assigned...

So if the person wasn't that familiar with the complex, they may not have known it was an assigned space... (I don't know if there were numbers on them or something telling visitors they were assigned)

I think the chances of that are slim, but possible... either way it seems like the car was meant to be found [/*]

sorry to quote myself but I just wanted to clarify (and wasn't able to edit my post) that I thought the chances were slim that whoever parked the car there did not know that it was an assigned space, and that it was more likely they were familiar with the area.

[need2no]

Originally posted by All4Nic


I don't know, but I just called Publicis and the "temp" at the main phone number said she hadn't seen anything about him!!! Ugh! [/*]




WTH?? Has she been in a cave lately?

[MrsHadman]

Originally posted by need2no


Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

I'm not going to speculate about what happened (plenty of people already taking care of that); but if my husband went missing I would immediately assume foul play. There is no way that he would leave voluntarily, so I would be devastated and I would probably say things on TV that I regretted later.

~~~JMO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Envision


That's plain disgusting. Are we the only ones who want NF found? [/*]

Seems that way Envision - did you check out the new info on .........the franciscos - our family...........site?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by need2no


Even if in my heart of hearts I believed deep down that my DH had met with foul play I just don't believe I could give up and move on until this was a proven fact, or at least until there was strong evidence pointing to foul play. Heck I would have him listed everywhere I could think of and any place someone recommended, even if I suspected or believed he was dead. Even if he is dead if his body is found having his missing info out there everywhere could help to identify him sooner and track down his family to advise them.

If LE has no clues to suspect foul play...why would his wife suspect foul play? Surely LE would know more than the average citizen, and they have a lot of experience in these matters to back up there beliefs. I wonder if LE finds it weird that she thinks he is dead, and that she has mentioned water. IF he is found in water wouldn't that look kinda strange and suspicious. [/*]

Hrm. LE hasn't slept in the same bed with this guy for however many years. Come on, ppl, the folks you're sleeping with have intuitive knowledge and connection to you and if you upped and disappeared suddenly, particularly if there were foul play, they'd KNOW!

If you *don't* suspect foul play, where do you think NF *is*??

[K Anne]

Originally posted by andover
I fully understand that each person reacts different to any given situation, some are pessimists and some are optimists. I can respect the fact that some people when faced with a difficult and stressful situation will always think the worst. We must though always leave our mind and more importantly our hearts open to any possibility when dealing with someone important in our lives. I can guarantee everyone this, Nic is not gone "without a trace". Contrary to what some believe, this would only be possible if an alien took him, we all know that is ridiculous. Nic does in fact exist somewhere either dead or alive. I would think, but this is strictly my opinion that his friends and family would want to know where he is; if he is laying dead somewhere to give him a proper burial and if he is alive to make sure he is okay and his basic needs are being taken care of.

I can't understand why there are few posters of Nic up in the Seattle area (a few forum members from the area have reported this), why his employer took down the posters in the lobby (also reported by someone on this forum), why TES has not (at least as of approximately a week ago) been contacted, why he is not listed on many websites dedicated for missing persons.

I know posters end up getting taken down, but can we get a crew together to repost them once a week at least in the immediate area where he lives? Can we get a list together of several websites where he can be listed? Does anyone have any connections with the media? The more his picture and name are "out there" the bigger chance that he will be found.

My heart breaks for this family, I cannot imagine the pain of having someone in my family missing. Instead of fighting amongst each other about what may or may not have happened can we ban together in unity toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? Can we come up with ideas of how to get his name and picture in as many places as possible? Can we use TODAY to remain positive toward the common goal of finding Nicholas? We have the power to help this family, let's come up with some ideas my friends. [/*]

This is probably not a wildly popular idea but if Publicis has taken down their flyers, it's probably because NF's colleagues have already given all the information they can -- and it is time for everyone to get back to work. If I had to walk past a missing colleague's picture every day to get to my office, I would be totally depressed and wouldn't want to go in.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by andover


Again my friends, none of this matters in the big picture of finding Nic. Some may tell us "no, you can't post that here", that's fine just let it go. Let's stay focused in a positive manner of what we can do as a team to find Nicholas. all4nic has already posted his information on a website for the missing.

I know together we can do it, we just need to stay focused on our objective. We can stay strong, we can be there for his family to help out as much as possible behind the scenes. [/*]

Hi, I posted an ad on craigslist a couple weeks ago -- I can re-post that on the various craigslist sites throughout the country, FWIW. I'll try and do it tonight or tomorrow for sure.

I really appreciate your positive and proactive approach, and staying focused on the positive no matter what anyone comes on here and says. It is strange to me that people who are supposedly so in support of Nick's wife are not wanting to get involved in finding him through such efforts as you are suggesting. It makes me wonder about motives, but that's just a distraction I guess.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Harlett had posted that it takes lots of letter (50 - 100) to news agencies to regenerate interest. Should we try that? If so, should it say the same thing in each letter? Should someone compose it and then we all email (whoever wants to) under our respective names?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon



Wow, I wouldn't want to work in a place that was that cold and uncaring. I guess I could give up "my" feelings and think about the missing person until he is found, especially if that person is my co-worker. There is no acceptable reason for the flyers to be taken down at his work, IMO. None.

I just don't get it. If anyone connected to Nicholas knows his whereabouts I wish they would say something. And if they don't.......why wouldn't they call TES to help search? If I was missing a loved one I would want Tim Miller on the case ASAP. I don't understand, really I don't. [/*]

Where I used to work, we had a young man (early 20s) who worked for his dad part time at night at a service station. He was robbed, shot and killed over $20.00 worth of gas one Friday night. His picture hung on the wall for I know ten years.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by All4Nic


I'm home all day. I'm totally willing to take this on, anyone who wants to work on gathering email lists for major newpapers in the states can PM me and I'll keep a list.

MISSION ONE:
PM me with the names of the states you'll work on. I'd say 3-5 per person so you can really focus!

I'm working with ThruTheTrees (I think that's how it's spelled.) to make an awesome press release. I'm hoping to post it here tomorrow. You should be able to copy/paste it using your own email program and hopefully we'll make an impact!

Regardless of whether or not Nicholas is alive, this could make a HUGE impact. Either find him, or scare the cr** out of someone who knows where he is!!!

Everyone can help, that's why were here!! [/*]

My work load changes from day to day, but barring any heavy stuff, I'm game!

I can definitely find all the news links in Kansas!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Maybe they have heard from him... I'd like to think that's the case. It seems so strange that they are not out in the public trying to find him if they still haven't been contacted by him.

I know someone posted here that they thought the family has been quiet because they don't want to be "attacked" like some say his wife has been. But that doesn't make sense to me -- if their son and brother is missing, some ideas/speculation etc posted on the Internet should be the least of their worries. And with LE saying there is no evidence of foul play and none of him leaving on his own, I don't understand why anyone would choose to think the worse and then just give up. IMO. [/*]

Is there a link to a news article stating his family is quiet for this reason? If not, then I take it with a grain of salt. Without a news article on that, then I just see it as a poster coming up with their own idea of things....speculation.

I don't understand thinking the worst either without any evidence of it. That kind of erases any hope that he's alive and from what I've seen...most loved ones of missing people hold on to any string of hope they can find....even when things point otherwise. They still hold out that hope until their loved one is found.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by K Anne


This is probably not a wildly popular idea but if Publicis has taken down their flyers, it's probably because NF's colleagues have already given all the information they can -- and it is time for everyone to get back to work. If I had to walk past a missing colleague's picture every day to get to my office, I would be totally depressed and wouldn't want to go in. [/*]

I honestlly don't think seeing my missing co-worker would keep me depressed and away from the office. It would depress me more to act like this man never existed. JMO

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MrsHadman


I'm not going to speculate about what happened (plenty of people already taking care of that); but if my husband went missing I would immediately assume foul play. There is no way that he would leave voluntarily, so I would be devastated and I would probably say things on TV that I regretted later.

~~~JMO [/*]

Well....as people like to point out....we don't really know what we'd do unless we're in those shoes. But, going on the theory that you'd immediately think he was dead (I have to wonder why...if there was no evidence)....would you want his body found? Would you do everything you could to keep people searching for him? Would you move away from the home you shared together so soon? It's not just ONE thing....it's a lot of things that add up. JMO

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Nellie


I honestlly don't think seeing my missing co-worker would keep me depressed and away from the office. It would depress me more to act like this man never existed. JMO [/*]

Hm. Well, I'm sitting here at my day job and reading you all, all day long. It's not exactly upping my corporate productivity.

After a corporate layoff, the colleagues that remain can sometimes go through a deep bereavement period just as they would after the sudden death of a family member. In this case, for all anyone knows, it WAS a sudden death.

Seems reasonable that the company he worked for -- and the last people to see him -- would want to climb out of any confusions, misgivings, mourning, anger, um: endless circular speculations??, and get back to business by now.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by All4Nic


I'm home all day. I'm totally willing to take this on, anyone who wants to work on gathering email lists for major newpapers in the states can PM me and I'll keep a list.

MISSION ONE:
PM me with the names of the states you'll work on. I'd say 3-5 per person so you can really focus!

I'm working with ThruTheTrees (I think that's how it's spelled.) to make an awesome press release. I'm hoping to post it here tomorrow. You should be able to copy/paste it using your own email program and hopefully we'll make an impact!

Regardless of whether or not Nicholas is alive, this could make a HUGE impact. Either find him, or scare the cr** out of someone who knows where he is!!!

Everyone can help, that's why were here!! [/*]

I did a similar mailing once and found the smaller hometown newspapers to be very receptive. They often wrote human interest front page stories for free. Sometimes one publisher produces several newspapers for the immediate area.
jmo

[n/t]

I'll do whatever I can from Canada. I offered to contribute to maybe placing an ad to keep the awareness going. Whatever y'all decide is good with me.

Do you think contacting papers in British Columbia, Canada will help? I have a few contacts in Kelowna, Victoria and Vancouver.

[n/t]

Originally posted by andover


n/t, I would think it would be great to get some publicity in Canada, we just don't have any idea where poor Nic could be. I know I heard a few people say that he could end up there...I think we need to get the word out anywhere we can. [/*]

Will do. There's nothing whatsover up here about him. I did email my colleagues on the West Coast a few weeks ago but contacting news agencies is a good idea. Seattle is just a ferry ride away from Victoria.

[n/t]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


I think you should have given the family and LE the option of submitting that info to any website. It really isn't the function of a message board or the posters to do that. There may be a reason they have not done it. Just my thoughts. I know I would be very angry if someone did that without talking to me or my family first., and even the LE in charge of the case. Often there are things the public have no knowledge of for a very good reason.

I know you meant well.

moo [/*]

I don't understand your post. I am not aware of any restrictions. He's missing and the more awareness the better. There's a missing flyer posted for all to print and use. It's public and available online. He's also listed as Missing on America's Most Wanted and they need the public's help in locating him.

[Shelby1]

If the publics help wasn't wanted, then it shouldn't have been asked for.

Since it was asked for, we will do everything we can to find Nicholas.

[n/t]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


:rolleyes: Perhaps you should check with the family, and even the LE first. They may not want poster's on a message board getting involved. Just a suggestion.

moo [/*]

If you're not here to help find Nicholas, why are you here then? Just curious.

[Melly53]

I was searching the Seattle newspaper for any article that I thought might tie in to this case. I came across this one and wondered if they ever identified the man killed. I imagine that getting hit by a train could make identifying the body difficult if there was no wallet or some form of identification on him.

http://tinyurl.com/2bh6gr

The park is only a few miles north from where NF worked (about 20 minutes according to mapquest) and the accident, which was later ruled a suicide, happened on Wednesday, Feb 13 at 6:47pm. I might be totally off the wall on this but it did seem to be a bit of a strange coincidence.

JMO, IMO, MOO

[n/t]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


Let me address your concerns. This is a message board. We are anonymous posters. It is not our job to investigate the case, or issue media press releases. In fact, the media already has the story, but since there is nothing going on, they are not going to bother with it. It's not news worthy, and will not generate $$ for them. That's unfortunate, but that's bottom line.

Nicholas has a family, and the LE is investigating the case. I don't believe it's the job or place of anonymous individuals to INJECT themselves into a case when no one has asked them. In fact, it could jeopardize the investigation; who knows???

I know you mean well, but if other's do not wish to join you, you should not judge them. moo [/*]

Sounds like you haven't been following too many cases on this board. You may want to do a little research and find out what posters on this board have done in the past and continue to do daily. Many just don't sit behind a computer. They actually go out and volunteer to search for the missing. They attend vigils, they comfort and pray along with family members.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


Let me address your concerns. This is a message board. We are anonymous posters. It is not our job to investigate the case, or issue media press releases. In fact, the media already has the story, but since there is nothing going on, they are not going to bother with it. It's not news worthy, and will not generate $$ for them. That's unfortunate, but that's bottom line.

Nicholas has a family, and the LE is investigating the case. I don't believe it's the job or place of anonymous individuals to INJECT themselves into a case when no one has asked them. In fact, it could jeopardize the investigation; who knows???

I know you mean well, but if other's do not wish to join you, you should not judge them. moo [/*]

With all due respect, then, Christine should not have put public notice up that her husband was missing that that she needed help and prayers to bring him home. Also, the fact that she accepted monetary donations tells me that she really needs the publics help.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Melly53
I was searching the Seattle newspaper for any article that I thought might tie in to this case. I came across this one and wondered if they ever identified the man killed. I imagine that getting hit by a train could make identifying the body difficult if there was no wallet or some form of identification on him.

http://tinyurl.com/2bh6gr

The park is only a few miles north from where NF worked (about 20 minutes according to mapquest) and the accident, which was later ruled a suicide, happened on Wednesday, Feb 13 at 6:47pm. I might be totally off the wall on this but it did seem to be a bit of a strange coincidence.

JMO, IMO, MOO [/*]

He was identified as Mike E Harp.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by andover


We appreciate your input sadiemay, have a nice evening. [/*]

Let's move ahead. So we're waiting for the press release wording. Who is the contact person for organizing states?

[Melly53]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


He was identified as Mike E Harp. [/*]

Thanks, I had looked but could never find if they had identified him. So sad and he was an artist too.

IMO, JMO, MOO

[HarlettOhara]

SeattleEddie.... where is Lynwood in relation to FederalWay and SeaTac?


http://dhimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pb...W=328&MaxH=235

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
SeattleEddie.... where is Lynwood in relation to FederalWay and SeaTac?


http://dhimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pb...W=328&MaxH=235 [/*]

This is the link I should have put in, not the other one

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/200...6091/-1/news01

OK.. I'm having a bad night with links... here is the story

Scott Alan Flin, 50, moved out of his Lynnwood home in early February and told relatives he was going to check in to a local motel, Snohomish County sheriff's spokeswoman Rebecca Hover.

On Feb. 11, Flin moved his belongings into a storage unit, and there's no evidence he's been back since. There has been no activity on his bank account or his cell phone. His family reported him missing on Feb. 29, Hover said. There's also no record of Flin at local motels.

Detectives said there's no sign of foul play. Flin has medical issues and may need to refill his prescriptions, she said.

Flin is described as white, 5 feet, 10 inches tall and 125 pounds with blue eyes and brown, graying hair. He drives a tan 2003 Toyota truck with Washington license plate A83985R.

[field of snow]

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Lynnwood,+WA,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


Are you speaking of poster's here? If you are, let me state to you that I doubt anyone, anywhere in the world, does not want Nicholas to be found and found alive, and well. However, most of us don't know him, or his family. He is one of 1,000's that are missing in this country. While I do hope he is found, I have no personal connection to him, or his family, and therefore, am not going to make Nicholas, or any of the missing 1,000's a personal crusade.

There are agencies and organizations that people can join if they want to be involved in finding missing individuals Of course, that involves a bit of "real" hands-on action every now and then. I'm sure they would love to have as many volunteers as they can possibly get.

jmo [/*]

Yes, and it was someone from one of the missing organizations that said a letter writing campaign might be helpful when we all asked what we could do.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by andover


Are you thinking this could be related to NF? Do tell harlett.... [/*]

I don't think so, I was curious at first.. but really don't think so. Quite a few men have gone missing in a short time it seems..

[K Anne]

Harlett it looks like Lynnwood is about 33 miles N of Seattle...

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I don't think so, I was curious at first.. but really don't think so. Quite a few men have gone missing in a short time it seems.. [/*]

Is the storage unit referenced with this man's disappearance the same one that has been referenced with a possible sighting of Nicholas' car?

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Is the storage unit referenced with this man's disappearance the same one that has been referenced with a possible sighting of Nicholas' car? [/*]

I don't think so Rainy...

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by andover
rainy, harlett just got here and we were hoping she might have some ideas to help us. We need to get the word out there to as many places as possible. I know we can make a difference, there are people working right now on their computers. Is nice to know that there is something we can do to help find nic. [/*]

You can get links to all the WA newspapers here

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/wa_newspapers.aspx

[K Anne]

About those flyers no longer up at his office location -- it occurred to me that, say some of you here are right and NF just walked of his own accord -- or say some of you are right and he is wandering around in a fugue state. If he suddenly got a conscience and meant to go home, or remembered who he was and went to his former place of business, what do you suppose he would do if he walked into the building and saw his face all over the place? I'm not sure but if it were me I'd turn around and walk right back out.

Also I admire the get-up-and-go here but would recommend inquiring with someone in the family (Harlett?), out of politeness, before doing fax blasts or huge email campaigns on their behalf. Even if you're acting out of kindness it's still a little weird for a bunch of strangers to take someone else's personal details and run with them. Just saying.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by K Anne
About those flyers no longer up at his office location -- it occurred to me that, say some of you here are right and NF just walked of his own accord -- or say some of you are right and he is wandering around in a fugue state. If he suddenly got a conscience and meant to go home, or remembered who he was and went to his former place of business, what do you suppose he would do if he walked into the building and saw his face all over the place? I'm not sure but if it were me I'd turn around and walk right back out.

Also I admire the get-up-and-go here but would recommend inquiring with someone in the family (Harlett?), out of politeness, before doing fax blasts or huge email campaigns on their behalf. Even if you're acting out of kindness it's still a little weird for a bunch of strangers to take someone else's personal details and run with them. Just saying. [/*]

So, with that theory, I guess his face shouldn't be plastered anywhere....just in case he'd see it, ya know?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Nellie


So, with that theory, I guess his face shouldn't be plastered anywhere....just in case he'd see it, ya know? [/*]

*sigh*

I can see several legitimate reasons for pulling flyers from the corporate building; that one might have been far out but I posted it anyway.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Harlett had posted that it takes lots of letter (50 - 100) to news agencies to regenerate interest. Should we try that? If so, should it say the same thing in each letter? Should someone compose it and then we all email (whoever wants to) under our respective names? [/*]

If someone composes, I will send, in my name. I'm not good at composing, but very good at sending.
;)

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth
I can't figure out where all this resistance is coming from. I'm fairly certain his family wants him found, either dead or alive. Unless they know where he is, I can't imagine they would care how he was found, just as long as he was found.

I have personally met with families of the Hillside Strangler (Lauren Wagner's parents come to mind), parents and siblings of the Freeway Killer, and several others. When their loved ones were missing, I don't remember anybody ever saying "oh no, don't do that", to somebody's idea. They were thankful for any help they got in finding their children, sisters, brothers, etc. I can't imagine NF's family is any different.

Just my own opinion. [/*]

I agree Beth. In any other missing person case, especially those featured on the national news circuit, the more publicity the better and it's welcomed! And getting the word out isn't exactly easy. I've attempted to hang posters in retail stores (not this case) and at the train station and it wasn't allowed. It's discouraging to say the least but I came up with a solution. I took a nice color poster that I had and put it in the back window of my car. By doing this the amount of ground covered will reach far more people than if I were to hang posters around town, only to have them taken down.

So to those in Seattle, print a copy of Nicholas' missing poster and put it in a window in your car. I don't know why I didn't think to share that earlier. And belive me, it gets noticed.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


I can't believe you actually called the Company, much less HR. The lady you talked to is absolutely right not giving you information. I also believe she is right when she said, "I doubt you'll ever stop talking about it,.........."

BTW, are we a blog, or a Message Board. I think a blog is something different. No really important. Just curious.

I know you meant well, but I think sometimes things go way too far. moo [/*]

Oh, for God's sake. Someone does something postitive and proactive and gets slammed by you for doing it.
MOO!!!!!!!!!

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
SeattleEddie.... where is Lynwood in relation to FederalWay and SeaTac?


http://dhimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pb...W=328&MaxH=235 [/*]

Federal Way is far south of the city, closer to Tacoma. Sea Tac is south of the city, but not as far as Federal Way. Lynnwood is far north of the city, almost as far north as Federal Way is south.

[Manatoc]

IMO, I think there was a misunderstanding about the e-mail campaign...the posters here are NOT doing a press release for a story "Online bloggers network to find missing man!" I'm sure the person who reported that post to CW wanted CW to believe that something nasty was being planned against CF and CW didn't have time to read all of the posts in the thread.

Coldwater...andover, all4Nic and others were following Harlett O’Hara’s advice. As you know, Harlett is a PI and is very active on this board. Harlett posted these suggestions on March 10:

“Send emails, letters etc to media.. especially local media in the Seattle area. The more they receive about this, the more likely they are to do something if they see a huge interest.

I have links for all the tv media if anyone needs or wants them. I also have links for all the newspapers in WA state.”

And Harlett followed up with this:

“Here are the links for the newspapers

Washington State
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/wa_newspapers.aspx

and the links for all the other media both email and address

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6 ”

[Manatoc]

All4Nic,

IMO, your post last night

Okay, this is almost a news story in itself, we could title it "Online bloggers network to find missing man!" We could do an all-out media release to every major newspaper in the US, Canada and Mexico

was confusing. Plans were being made for an e-mail campaign to various media regarding NF's disappearance and SOMEONE twisted things around to imply you were sending Press Releases about "online bloggers."

It will all come together...be patient.

[Manatoc]

All4Nic...your pm is full

[Manatoc]

organizing an e-mail campaign for media attention has been done many, many times on this site. And I'll bet most families appreciate the help and support.

"I thought to take it to another "angle" like how were teaming up to find Nicholas, would make it more of a story"....great idea to get more attention, but how much attention is really wanted?

[Manatoc]

good idea on the laptop serial number.

Latest flyer for NF from Harlett's site:

Here is the link to a flier for Nicholas... it's in a pdf file so you can download it

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/Nicflyer%5*2%5d.pdf

I had a problem with this link working from here the other day, if it doesn't work you can go here and it does work...
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum...p?t=2562&page=2

[Wrenn]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Since there is no foul play suspected by LE, Nicholas may have walked away to sort out his life. This might be considered a very private matter by the family.

I would think that if this was the reason, such a letter writing campaign would embarrass the family since they have never asked for help with this case. Out of respect shouldn't you ask them first for their approval on this before you proceed? After all it is their son, brother and husband.... not yours. [/*]

Christine does ask for our help on her myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=156925559

"MY HUSBAND IS MISSING. PLEASE HELP FIND HIM.

[Manatoc]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Since there is no foul play suspected by LE, Nicholas may have walked away to sort out his life. This might be considered a very private matter by the family.

I would think that if this was the reason, such a letter writing campaign would embarrass the family since they have never asked for help with this case. Out of respect shouldn't you ask them first for their approval on this before you proceed? After all it is their son, brother and husband.... not yours. [/*]

:confused: this was posted by CF yesterday on the supportingchristine site:

"....we need to know where nicholas is and what happened. I still do not believe for one moment that he would leave on his own accord"

"It does seem that many of our problems would be solved if we knew what had happened and if nicholas were to come home. But the fact is we don’t know where he is and he is not at home."

I thought additional searches were being planned...wouldn't the media attention help get more volunteers?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Manatoc
organizing an e-mail campaign for media attention has been done many, many times on this site. And I'll bet most families appreciate the help and support.

"I thought to take it to another "angle" like how were teaming up to find Nicholas, would make it more of a story"....great idea to get more attention, but how much attention is really wanted? [/*]

From the perspective of professional writer and editor, I do recommend that any letter circulated to the press leaves out mention of InSessions or "we", and keep your message short and to the point. Less is more. I understand the possible news interest in the team angle but it distracts from the main issue, which is what happened to NF.

Please don't mistake lack of team involvement for lack of action. Some people are proactive daily, writing email and making phone calls, outside of any team effort.

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by K Anne


<snip>

Please don't mistake lack of team involvement for lack of action. Some people are proactive daily, writing email and making phone calls, outside of any team effort. [/*]
SOME PEOPLE.
Boy Howdy. You got that right. :D

[bitsy555]

I was just thinking the same thing.

For Nic........wherever you might be :rose:

[K Anne]

;) Me too. "Hm. I guess I didn't get that memo?"

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by K Anne


From the perspective of professional writer and editor, I do recommend that any letter circulated to the press leaves out mention of InSessions or "we", and keep your message short and to the point. Less is more. I understand the possible news interest in the team angle but it distracts from the main issue, which is what happened to NF.

Please don't mistake lack of team involvement for lack of action. Some people are proactive daily, writing email and making phone calls, outside of any team effort. [/*]

Thank you very much for saying this K Anne! (and good to see you posting again)

I totally agree. Just because alot of us aren't on here telling what we are doing daily does not mean that it isn't being done. I don't think it takes an organized effort by a few members of the board telling people how they should help. The truth is that there just isn't much to report on.. no matter how much we email them.. unless there is new information then there is nothing to report on for the local or national news. I think using InSessions to try and get his name in the news again would actually take the focus off of Nicholas and put it on to the board.. which is not what the board is intended for. IMO since Hartlett is the one that has been communicating with Christine about what she needs.. she is the authority on what needs to be done.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Since there is no foul play suspected by LE, Nicholas may have walked away to sort out his life. This might be considered a very private matter by the family.

I would think that if this was the reason, such a letter writing campaign would embarrass the family since they have never asked for help with this case. Out of respect shouldn't you ask them first for their approval on this before you proceed? After all it is their son, brother and husband.... not yours. [/*]

Is there a link to where LE has said that foul play is not suspected. I was away for Easter and may have missed something.

Last I heard they couldn't rule out foul play just as they couldn't rule out him walking away..

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Envision
Seems there are a minority of people here who would like this forum shut down altogether rather than help in any way possible to find Nicholas. [/*]
Or some that have seen and been involved in many missing people cases and have seen this happen several times before?

Just because we aren't reporting to someone who was asked not to post things here.. does not mean that we aren't doing things to help.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Thank you very much for saying this K Anne! (and good to see you posting again)

I totally agree. Just because alot of us aren't on here telling what we are doing daily does not mean that it isn't being done. I don't think it takes an organized effort by a few members of the board telling people how they should help. The truth is that there just isn't much to report on.. no matter how much we email them.. unless there is new information then there is nothing to report on for the local or national news. I think using InSessions to try and get his name in the news again would actually take the focus off of Nicholas and put it on to the board.. which is not what the board is intended for. IMO since Hartlett is the one that has been communicating with Christine about what she needs.. she is the authority on what needs to be done. [/*]

Yes, and if you reference Manatoc's post you will see what Harlett suggested.

[Curiouser]

Let's talk about TES. Check out comments 46, 48 and 49 I believe it is, here: http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/christine-were-thinking-of-you-and-your-family/#comments

I also looked back at the Etsy comments about this way back when (there's a link to them in the above comments) and CF did ask how to contact TES, comes back on and says they only do searches in their state. So another poster says that's not right because they were just in their state searching for someone. They then ask CF if she'd like them to help in contacting TES and she comes back that she had e-mailed TES. That's pretty much the last it was heard of I think. Any thoughts??

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Thank you very much for saying this K Anne! (and good to see you posting again)

I totally agree. Just because alot of us aren't on here telling what we are doing daily does not mean that it isn't being done. I don't think it takes an organized effort by a few members of the board telling people how they should help. The truth is that there just isn't much to report on.. no matter how much we email them.. unless there is new information then there is nothing to report on for the local or national news. I think using InSessions to try and get his name in the news again would actually take the focus off of Nicholas and put it on to the board.. which is not what the board is intended for. IMO since Hartlett is the one that has been communicating with Christine about what she needs.. she is the authority on what needs to be done. [/*]

I guess it is all in the "eye of the reader". I haven't taken any of the posts on this board to mean that certain posters are telling other what to do. I have read the posts to mean "if you want to join in". Nothing more, nothing less.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision
Seems there are a minority of people here who would like this forum shut down altogether rather than help in any way possible to find Nicholas. [/*]

Meh. How does disagreeing with the majority equate to wanting the forum shut down altogether -- or with not wanting to help in anyway possible to find NF? That is silliness.

About fugue state, which someone mentioned yesterday or over the weekend, I inquired with local mental health professionals who opined that a fugue state is *seriously* rare, and that the way fugue state is portrayed by novelists and the media -- as lasting weeks -- is even rarer than that. 3 out of 3 opined that it is far more likely that NF either left of his own accord and very consciously, or met with completely random foul play and body will turn up within a few months. FWTW.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Curiouser
Let's talk about TES. Check out comments 46, 48 and 49 I believe it is, here: http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/christine-were-thinking-of-you-and-your-family/#comments

I also looked back at the Etsy comments about this way back when (there's a link to them in the above comments) and CF did ask how to contact TES, comes back on and says they only do searches in their state. So another poster says that's not right because they were just in their state searching for someone. They then ask CF if she'd like them to help in contacting TES and she comes back that she had e-mailed TES. That's pretty much the last it was heard of I think. Any thoughts?? [/*]

Since no one seems interested enough in this to look at it, I'll paraphrase it for you:

A poster explains what TES is and suggests that CF contact them. The Moderator comes on and says CF knows all about it & has contacted them. Then the poster comes back saying that she actually spoke with TES and they have no record of CF contacting them. Moderator again says CF e-mailed them and here's the Etsy post where all this was talked about. So the poster says OK, I'll let other family members know about TES.

This seems a bit odd, assuming she did contact them in February, if they have no record of it, might it not be a good idea to contact them again, in case her e-mail was just lost in the shuffle somehow? HMMM...

[field of snow]

It is very odd. Clearly TES staff are just confused. The wife doesn't lie.

Originally posted by Curiouser


Since no one seems interested enough in this to look at it, I'll paraphrase it for you:

A poster explains what TES is and suggests that CF contact them. The Moderator comes on and says CF knows all about it & has contacted them. Then the poster comes back saying that she actually spoke with TES and they have no record of CF contacting them. Moderator again says CF e-mailed them and here's the Etsy post where all this was talked about. So the poster says OK, I'll let other family members know about TES.

This seems a bit odd, assuming she did contact them in February, if they have no record of it, might it not be a good idea to contact them again, in case her e-mail was just lost in the shuffle somehow? HMMM... [/*]

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Envision


One would think she would. I certainly would if I had not heard back from them after a day or so. [/*]

OR, maybe they were never contacted in the first place??

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision


You've obviously not been following the threads the past few days. :punch: [/*]

Envision, I've been watching every day, and night, and you seem as much an unproductive troll as anyone else here.

On topic: If I were handling TES and really wanted a family in contact with them, I'd chat with TES by phone for a while, then contact the family directly (i.e. privately) about it. (And this is not disagreement, for anyone who takes it as such; it is simply to suggest a different and possibly more effective approach.)

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by K Anne


Envision, I've been watching every day, and night, and you seem as much an unproductive troll as anyone else here.

[/*]

Was this comment really called for? Quite mean and nasty.

People tend to offer opinions on message boards. It's fine to disagree with some posts. No one has to agree with all as there are many opinions offered.

If you disagree, state it as such. It is not necessary to throw your insults out here.

Are you including yourself in your list of "unproductive trolls"?



IMO

[decor]

I see we are still in the attack Christine mode. Post after post about what she did about TES. any provable conclusions yet?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Beth


Most certainly not. [/*]

Ok. So how many people here have contacted TES and asked about this?

Also, is it fair or ethical for TES to release that information to non-family?

[K Anne]

From TES website:
"Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case."

So it sounds like LE could request this too, and hasn't. If NF's family hasn't, and LE hasn't, maybe there is good reason for that, no matter how much anyone here feels TES could bring NF home.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


You owe Envision an apology for this comment..... I hope you consider doing so. [/*]

Fair enough: :rose: :rose: :rose:

Personally I would like an apology for the animated violence.

[decor]

Originally posted by All4Nic


Sorry, but I don't agree K Anne- Envision is doing AWESOME things for this case and I've yet to see YOU make a good point or comment about anything. IMO

Why don't you leave us alone?! [/*]

were you appointed to take over this board? I have been watching you tell everyone what they should be doing and whether they should even be here or not.

Correct me if I am mistaken but aren't you new to this board this month?

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by decor
I see we are still in the attack Christine mode. Post after post about what she did about TES. any provable conclusions yet? [/*]It gets tiresome. There were almost 0 posts about what to do to find Nicholas, but as soon as Christine and TES are mentioned. BOOM!. There were searches done whether anyone believes it or not.

JMO

[decor]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
It gets tiresome. There were almost 0 posts about what to do to find Nicholas, but as soon as Christine and TES are mentioned. BOOM!. There were searches done whether anyone believes it or not.

JMO [/*]


the heck with TES all anyone has to do is mention CF

[K Anne]

I phoned TES and they clarified that yes, LE can request TES services regardless of what the family wants. LE can request it even against the family's wishes. In this case LE has not requested TES services.

I'm trusting that LE -- and CF, and NF's sisters, father, and mother -- have good reason for not asking TES to help. If you disagree, and feel TES involvement is crucial to finding NF, and I ask this sincerely, please find a way to let LE know.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by K Anne
I phoned TES and they clarified that yes, LE can request TES services regardless of what the family wants. LE can request it even against the family's wishes. In this case LE has not requested TES services.

I'm trusting that LE -- and CF, and NF's sisters, father, and mother -- have good reason for not asking TES to help. If you disagree, and feel TES involvement is crucial to finding NF, and I ask this sincerely, please find a way to let LE know. [/*]

Last time I checked about this case, Nicholas' wife said she believed he is dead which means she'd be asking TES to look for a dead body. But LE has to have an idea of WHERE to search for his body. It is a waste of time and TES' resources to ask volunteers to come in from out of state unless they have a specific area to search.

Is LE still searching specific locations on land, sea, air? I have no idea. There seems to be no media interest in this case. If they were doing searches, there would be, imo.

I sure don't understand the effort to contact media out of state if his own wife believes he is dead. I doubt his killer crossed the state line and then killed him.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by K Anne
I phoned TES and they clarified that yes, LE can request TES services regardless of what the family wants. LE can request it even against the family's wishes. In this case LE has not requested TES services.

I'm trusting that LE -- and CF, and NF's sisters, father, and mother -- have good reason for not asking TES to help. If you disagree, and feel TES involvement is crucial to finding NF, and I ask this sincerely, please find a way to let LE know. [/*]


I agree we should trust LE and CF and the extended family that they may have good reason for NOT asking TES to help. And what might that good reason be? The only good reason I can see is that they have info as to his whereabouts or at least the knowledge that he isn't lying dead somewhere.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Last time I checked about this case, Nicholas' wife said she believed he is dead which means she'd be asking TES to look for a dead body. But LE has to have an idea of WHERE to search for his body. It is a waste of time and TES' resources to ask volunteers to come in from out of state unless they have a specific area to search.

Is LE still searching specific locations on land, sea, air? I have no idea. There seems to be no media interest in this case. If they were doing searches, there would be, imo.

I sure don't understand the effort to contact media out of state if his own wife believes he is dead. I doubt his killer crossed the state line and then killed him. [/*]

Even if they believe he is dead, he still needs to be found not only for them to have closure but for his wife and kids to be able to get financial help, insurance benefits, etc.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by K Anne
I phoned TES and they clarified that yes, LE can request TES services regardless of what the family wants. LE can request it even against the family's wishes. In this case LE has not requested TES services.

I'm trusting that LE -- and CF, and NF's sisters, father, and mother -- have good reason for not asking TES to help. If you disagree, and feel TES involvement is crucial to finding NF, and I ask this sincerely, please find a way to let LE know. [/*]

:/ Sorry (seriously, sorry). I should further clarify: I did not mention NF at all in my conversation with TES. TES did not say to me that LE had not requested TES services.

It can be inferred from NF's absence on the TES site that no request for TES services has been asked for this case. TES did not give info about the NF case, as I didn't even mention his name.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by andover


Oh WOW, I am just getting caught up for the day and was hoping we would have an answer, finally closure for all of us at long last. Positive confirmation that LE has not requested TES and the family also agrees and has good reasons not to contact TES. I knew our answer would be subtle, but there it is my friends at long last. How many reasons would there be that neither LE or a family would want help from TES in locating a "missing" loved one? [/*]

andover, have you contacted LE about TES?

Has anyone here contacted LE about TES?

Because unless someone has it from LE that LE *knows* about TES, we don't have confirmation that LE has chosen not to request TES services.

We have confirmation that they have not requested services; we do not have confirmation that they have *chosen* not to request services.

[Curiouser]

Did I read on here somewhere that Nicholas' father is also missing or unavailable or something??

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
It gets tiresome. There were almost 0 posts about what to do to find Nicholas, but as soon as Christine and TES are mentioned. BOOM!. There were searches done whether anyone believes it or not.

JMO [/*]

Can you be more specific regarding searches? Are you aware of volunteer physical searches after February 19th? Are you aware of recent searches by LE and types of searches performed? TIA

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Even if they believe he is dead, he still needs to be found not only for them to have closure but for his wife and kids to be able to get financial help, insurance benefits, etc. [/*]

Not all missing people can be found. His body could be just about anywhere. That's a pretty big body of water to the west.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by andover


and....some "missing people" don't want to be found. [/*]

ITA.

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Can you be more specific regarding searches? Are you aware of volunteer physical searches after February 19th? Are you aware of recent searches by LE and types of searches performed? TIA [/*]No I'm not aware of any recent searches. I only of know what was posted on the link provided. I guess I was refering to the fact there searches done, since it seems like some are under the impression none were done. Sorry for any confusion.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/canvased-areas-as-of-218-410pm.html

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Curiouser
Did I read on here somewhere that Nicholas' father is also missing or unavailable or something?? [/*]

Somewhere here it's been said that NF's dad is uncontactable, but I don't know where that info originated...

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
No I'm not aware of any recent searches. I only of know what was posted on the link provided. I guess I was refering to the fact there searches done, since it seems like some are under the impression none were done. Sorry for any confusion.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/canvased-areas-as-of-218-410pm.html [/*]

Oh I think everyone who has been following this from day one knows there have been searches. We just haven't known if there have been any since around 2-19/2-20. Maybe NF's friend has just been busy and hasn't had time to update his blog.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh I think everyone who has been following this from day one knows there have been searches. We just haven't known if there have been any since around 2-19/2-20. Maybe NF's friend has just been busy and hasn't had time to update his blog. [/*]

What about checking on credit cards and cell phone use and such? Do they just do it once and then never again or do they shut off the cell phone and cancel the credit cards?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Curiouser


What about checking on credit cards and cell phone use and such? Do they just do it once and then never again or do they shut off the cell phone and cancel the credit cards? [/*]

lo and behold, his cell phone went dead just before he went missing and he was not carrying any credit cards, according to his wife.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by JustFacts


lo and behold, his cell phone went dead just before he went missing and he was not carrying any credit cards, according to his wife. [/*]

JustFacts, can you post the link to wherever that information originated? TIA

ETA ok, cell phone here http://www.komoradio.com/news/15682797.html

"Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work."

But the credit cards?

ETA ok found that too http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=325748

Nevermind!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh I think everyone who has been following this from day one knows there have been searches. We just haven't known if there have been any since around 2-19/2-20. Maybe NF's friend has just been busy and hasn't had time to update his blog. [/*]

OK, so the NFblog hasn't been updated since February, the Donovan blog hasn't said anything for quite awhile, nobody apparently has contacted TES, Dad has not been able to be served with court papers, nothing new on Etsy that I can find, LE has put it on the back burner, nothing new on CF's MySpace although she is checking in, Bible verses on thefranciscofamily site, moving info on the supportingchristine site.

I can't believe they don't know something! Maybe not WHERE he is but at least that he's OK and please quit looking for me, I'll come back when I'm good and ready.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by JustFacts


lo and behold, his cell phone went dead just before he went missing and he was not carrying any credit cards, according to his wife. [/*]

But a "dead" cell phone isn't REALLY dead, just sort of sleeping! It can be used again with just a simple charging. And if you don't have your charger, its easy to go buy another one and they're not even that expensive (using cash of course).

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


JustFacts, can you post the link to wherever that information originated? TIA

ETA ok, cell phone here http://www.komoradio.com/news/15682797.html

"Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work."

But the credit cards? [/*]

On the links thread you will find one of Christine's blogs - she stated he did not have any credit cards.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


On the links thread you will find one of Christine's blogs - she stated he did not have any credit cards. [/*]

Thanks Rainy, I just found it there! :o

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by andover


hmmmm, ya think? [/*]

Yup, I'm thinking him and his dad are somewhere together, dad probably met him somewhere and they left the car at the condos, maybe drove into Canada and took a flight to the Philipines. Then maybe one of them got to feeling a bit guilty and let one of Nick's sisters or maybe his mother know where they are or at least that they're OK so they'd quit looking so hard.

In the last interview that CF did, she kept saying "somebody out there knows something and needs to tell." Of course, I was thinking she met some sort of bad guy or hit man or robber or murderer but maybe she was meaning her in-laws if they know where he is and won't say.

[kpb]

Haven't had time to be online lately... did anything happen to Nicholas? (afraid to ask)

[WootieTizz]

http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/

[n/t]

Originally posted by kpb
Haven't had time to be online lately... did anything happen to Nicholas? (afraid to ask) [/*]

No. He's still missing.

Nicholas, if you're reading this please call someone. Or post something here, if you can, or PM somebody. Just let us know you're ok. If you need legal help, again please let one of us know and we will do everything in our power to get you the legal advice you need.

Remember, there are people who care about you and won't stop looking for you. We know if you left, you left for a good reason. Don't give up. There are solutions. Just seek them.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by kpb
Haven't had time to be online lately... did anything happen to Nicholas? (afraid to ask) [/*]

No updates. Today marks 6 weeks since he disappeared.

I did post some correspondence I had with the Sheriff's office today -- I put it on the "Links" thread of this forum. LE continues to welcome the online discussions happening on boards like this one and say these discussions could prove to be helpful in their investigation.

They also stated that their would be no problem on their end, if people here want to contact the media around the country to drum up more interest in this case again.

[need2no]

T-Rex @ WS just posted he/she did a search on Google
and discovered that there have been two million, seven-hundred-forty-six-thousand searches for "Nicholas Francisco update/s."
As he/she said, if those numbers aren't enough to convince the media the public is interested, I don't know what is.

Of course if no one is talking to the media and providing info to report on, there isn't much they can write about to update the public.

[figritout]

Originally posted by WootieTizz
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/ [/*]

Thank you for posting this... My prayers are with Nicholas and Christine...

[field of snow]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


There's nothing new to tell the media. moo [/*]:rose:

[need2no]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


There's nothing new to tell the media. moo [/*]


Oh, thank-you.


:rose: FOR NICHOLAS

[mc528]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


There's nothing new to tell the media. moo [/*]


:rose:

[desmom]

Originally posted by WootieTizz
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/ [/*]

Interesting Reading. Thanks for the link

:rose: Nicholas Francisco

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by sadiemay62
The roses are a very nice gesture. [/*]

Thanks -- every little bit helps, you know?

:rose:

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by sadiemay62


That isn't what you would call a respected, reliable news source. There are many better sources that print "facts". moo [/*]

That may be, but at least they've remembered he's still missing!

[figritout]

Originally posted by Curiouser


That may be, but at least they've remembered he's still missing! [/*]

Ditto!

[Shelby1]

Thank you mediabistro.com for keeping Nicholas in the news. I hope other media outlets follow your lead.

Nicholas, if you're out there please tell someone that you're ok.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Curiouser


That may be, but at least they've remembered he's still missing! [/*]

Well said Curiouser

Peace for Nicholas wherever he may be
:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Thank you mediabistro.com for keeping Nicholas in the news. I hope other media outlets follow your lead.

Nicholas, if you're out there please tell someone that you're ok. [/*]

Hopefully other media outlets will do just that Shelby. On the links thread, TTT posted an email from the Sheriff. It looks like he has no problem with contacting media outlets in order to keep this case from going cold.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hopefully other media outlets will do just that Shelby. On the links thread, TTT posted an email from the Sheriff. It looks like he has no problem with contacting media outlets in order to keep this case from going cold. [/*]

I was SO happy to read that.

Just like I thought, the more coverage Nicholas gets, the better.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hopefully other media outlets will do just that Shelby. On the links thread, TTT posted an email from the Sheriff. It looks like he has no problem with contacting media outlets in order to keep this case from going cold. [/*]

That is excellent news! I'm hoping Nicholas will start getting some media attention again.

Praying for you today and everyday, Nicholas.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[esbee]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


No updates. Today marks 6 weeks since he disappeared.

I did post some correspondence I had with the Sheriff's office today -- I put it on the "Links" thread of this forum. LE continues to welcome the online discussions happening on boards like this one and say these discussions could prove to be helpful in their investigation.

They also stated that their would be no problem on their end, if people here want to contact the media around the country to drum up more interest in this case again. [/*]

thank you for taking the initiative to do this TTT. and thank you for sharing the response.


:rose:

[desmom]

Originally posted by Shelby1


I was SO happy to read that.

Just like I thought, the more coverage Nicholas gets, the better. [/*]

Ditto!

Someone out there knows something. If they don't see Nicholas' name in the media, he/she may think no one cares and keep quiet.

jmo

:rose: Nicholas Francisco

[desmom]

http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/nick_francisco_42_days_later_80826.asp

:rose: Nicholas Francisco

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Coldwater
I'd suggest you make informative posts today as opposed to just a rose. If you 'haven't gotten the memo' as one poster put it, ask your board buddies.

This is a warning. [/*]

Coldwater,

May I ask what type of information we're allowed to talk about here?

Oh, and I've never gotten a memo, could you tell me what you're referring to?

Thank You

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by desmom
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/nick_francisco_42_days_later_80826.asp

:rose: Nicholas Francisco [/*]

Interesting article,
I do think that people that Nick knew may start to come forward now with information, and it seems that a few of them have questioned if he did actually walk out.

Any thoughts (apart from you don't like the source of the article)

ETA it seems as thought they were in financial diffuculty before NF went missing, I guess this is why the cry for money went out only 2 days after he was gone and is now why SWMRN is ? declaring bankruptcy and giving up the marital home.

[isitme]

Originally posted by flyingfox


Interesting article,
I do think that people that Nick knew may start to come forward now with information, and it seems that a few of them have questioned if he did actually walk out.

Any thoughts (apart from you don't like the source of the article) [/*]

I wonder if LE has seen this article? Do you think they may consider doing more interviews with the staff now in light of this information?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Slowly it seems the picture has changed from the original interviews done by family and coworkers. Seems statements went from NEVER to "maybe" now.

[desmom]

Originally posted by isitme


I wonder if LE has seen this article? Do you think they may consider doing more interviews with the staff now in light of this information? [/*]

I think that would be a good idea. Six weeks have passed, coworkers may have discussed different things NF confided in them about personal issues going on his life.

jmo

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by isitme


I wonder if LE has seen this article? Do you think they may consider doing more interviews with the staff now in light of this information? [/*]

I would hope that in part of an ongoing investigation the LE would revisit his work collegues to verify their opinion on what happened to him. He was there and in their company for about 1/3 of his life, so they would have as good an idea as anyone as to what they think happened.

Time tends to help people see things clearly, and now they may be more willing to talk. There must have been someone who over heard a phone conversation that may shed some light on what happened to him.:shrug:

:rose:

[field of snow]

Originally posted by flyingfox


I would hope that in part of an ongoing investigation the LE would revisit his work collegues to verify their opinion on what happened to him. He was there and in their company for about 1/3 of his life, so they would have as good an idea as anyone as to what they think happened.

Time tends to help people see things clearly, and now they may be more willing to talk. There must have been someone who over heard a phone conversation that may shed some light on what happened to him.:shrug:

:rose: [/*]

I totally agree. I've had that happen many times -- sort of like a late "ah ha!" moment.

I wonder who he may have worked with when he had to work weekends (per his Twitter)?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by field of snow


I totally agree. I've had that happen many times -- sort of like a late "ah ha!" moment.

I wonder who he may have worked with when he had to work weekends (per his Twitter)? [/*]

I missed that - did he have to occasionally work week-ends at Publicis? What about evenings?

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by field of snow


I totally agree. I've had that happen many times -- sort of like a late "ah ha!" moment.

I wonder who he may have worked with when he had to work weekends (per his Twitter)? [/*]

good point field of snow, I had forgotten he worked w/e. he must have had a good buddy at work, we all do. It would be great if his best buddy at work and the people who sat near him could be reinterviewed, now that time has passed and they have had time to sit and think and digest what has happened, especially when they look at SWMRN behaviour these last weeks.

[field of snow]

I wonder when those crazy parties referenced on some website happened at Publicis happened? Afterwork? Weekends? (I think it was another Agency Spy article about Publicis, right?)

I think I missed this: http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/storytime-inter-office-sex-for-ceos-2/

Definition of awkward!

[Miss Behavin]

Thanks for the link - interesting article.

I still stand with my original gut feeling that he left on his own, and that feeling has been reinforced more than once.

I still check the boards for news frequently and I see there is nothing new reported today.

[MystryPhobia]

Anyone from the area that wants to help put fliers up around the condos and in the Federal Way area where the car was found.. this is really needed. Someone saw something down there and we need to find that person or persons. I'll be going down there this w/e to do that but the more fliers around that area.. the better.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by flyingfox


good point field of snow, I had forgotten he worked w/e. he must have had a good buddy at work, we all do. It would be great if his best buddy at work and the people who sat near him could be reinterviewed, now that time has passed and they have had time to sit and think and digest what has happened, especially when they look at SWMRN behaviour these last weeks. [/*]

What is SWMRN?

TIA

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Slowly it seems the picture has changed from the original interviews done by family and coworkers. Seems statements went from NEVER to "maybe" now. [/*]

That article made it sound like they all think he walked and that isn't exactly true. Just as people are torn here about what they think happened.. they are torn at Publicis too. Many still believe that he wouldn't leave on his own tho.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Anyone from the area that wants to help put fliers up around the condos and in the Federal Way area where the car was found.. this is really needed. Someone saw something down there and we need to find that person or persons. I'll be going down there this w/e to do that but the more fliers around that area.. the better. [/*]

Is it possible to confirm if the alleged 'sign off' was Publicis work related? TIA

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That article made it sound like they all think he walked and that isn't exactly true. Just as people are torn here about what they think happened.. they are torn at Publicis too. Many still believe that he wouldn't leave on his own tho. [/*]

The article stated "some of his co-workers tend to think he just cut and run". It didn't make it sound to me like they "all" think he walked. JMO.

Hopefully if anyone at Publicis remembers even the smallest detail that might be helpful to the case -- an overheard phone conversation, an offhand comment by Nicholas, etc. -- they will share what they know with LE. I am surprised that it's been reported that he left work with his iPod that day yet no one has yet reported which style of iPod, color, etc. Surely someone at work would have noticed that detail and reported it to LE.

Since you have a friend at Publicis, have you heard for sure whether they hired a PI? The original blog that reported they did, has emailed an IS member here to say that they got the info on the PI from staff and directors there. However Harlett has reported previously here that Christine was never contacted by a PI, which seems strange if Publicis hired one.

:rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

IIRC, a male identified by media sources as Nicholas' father appeared very briefly in a locally televised interview. Unfortunately the link is no longer available unless someone else can locate it.
jmo

[deek]

I'd like to know, if anyone has an "in" at Publicis, whether Nicholas' job was one of the ones due to fall under the hatchet during their very recent layoffs?

If not, was he was responsible for informing people working under him that their jobs were being eliminated?

Either way, I would think it could be one more straw added to the camel's back....

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That article made it sound like they all think he walked and that isn't exactly true. Just as people are torn here about what they think happened.. they are torn at Publicis too. Many still believe that he wouldn't leave on his own tho. [/*]

How do you know that "many still believe that he wouldn't leave on his own?" Was this said to you or is it your opinion?

Just curious.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That article made it sound like they all think he walked and that isn't exactly true. Just as people are torn here about what they think happened.. they are torn at Publicis too. Many still believe that he wouldn't leave on his own tho. [/*]

I didn't get that from reading the article. It stated "some", not all.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
IIRC, a male identified by media sources as Nicholas' father appeared very briefly in a locally televised interview. Unfortunately the link is no longer available unless someone else can locate it.
jmo [/*]

I remember that interview too. The father was interviewed in Federal Way the day after the car was found and they were going to do more searching. I can't find the link anymore either, I think it was on Q13 TV and they may only keep stories for 30 days. I tried searching there. Maybe someone else will have better luck finding it if it's still out there.

[n/t]

TTT, I also wonder if any of his coworkers overheard Nicholas say something over the phone or if Nicholas exhibited any signs of stress. Maybe not on that same day but days or weeks before his disappearance. I know at the very beginning they said they didn't notice anything unusual about Nicholas on 02.13 but maybe now after 6 weeks, some may have remembered something he may have said at the office or at a party, etc.

I hope they come forward with any information. Even the smallest detail can add a piece to solving this puzzle.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


The article stated "some of his co-workers tend to think he just cut and run". It didn't make it sound to me like they "all" think he walked. JMO.

Hopefully if anyone at Publicis remembers even the smallest detail that might be helpful to the case -- an overheard phone conversation, an offhand comment by Nicholas, etc. -- they will share what they know with LE. I am surprised that it's been reported that he left work with his iPod that day yet no one has yet reported which style of iPod, color, etc. Surely someone at work would have noticed that detail and reported it to LE.

Since you have a friend at Publicis, have you heard for sure whether they hired a PI? The original blog that reported they did, has emailed an IS member here to say that they got the info on the PI from staff and directors there. However Harlett has reported previously here that Christine was never contacted by a PI, which seems strange if Publicis hired one.

:rose: [/*]

By "coworkers" that doesn't necessarily mean those that were closest to him at his job... which is how I took the article.

I was just pointing out that I think it is split there.. just as it is here.. as to what may have happened to him. I do think that many that knew him best don't think that he would just have walked.

I was glad that the church was mentioned and found the writers take on the resignation interesting. I never thought of him leaving the church because he knew he wouldn't be around any longer. Seems hard to believe that he felt he owed an explanation to the church but not his family, friends or coworkers... but I still found that idea as possibly plausibe. For some reason.. I still feel that the resignation at the church has something to do with what happened.. I am just not sure how.

As far as the PI.. I do believe that one was hired in the beginning when they were looking for him. I have no information about whether that person is still hired or if it was just for the initial searches.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Is it possible to confirm if the alleged 'sign off' was Publicis work related? TIA [/*]

I have no idea. I am sure those that work with him would know what that might have been by now. I thought that there have been others that have posted that this is not an odd statement for someone in his field to make tho. Could be so many things he could have to sign off on.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I have no idea. I am sure those that work with him would know what that might have been by now. I thought that there have been others that have posted that this is not an odd statement for someone in his field to make tho. Could be so many things he could have to sign off on. [/*]

Good morning Mystry, your PM box is full...

Signing off on something due for print, signing off to show that you approve of changes made or of final presentation, signing off to close a project and move it to its next phase. It is not an odd statement in many fields, anything from graphic design to building construction...

My first thought/hope on signoff is that whatever he signed off on (if he did) is probably one of the first things that went into evidence.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by deek
I'd like to know, if anyone has an "in" at Publicis, whether Nicholas' job was one of the ones due to fall under the hatchet during their very recent layoffs?

If not, was he was responsible for informing people working under him that their jobs were being eliminated?

Either way, I would think it could be one more straw added to the camel's back.... [/*]

Hi deek and welcome to the board.

I have wondered this too and thought about it alot. IIRC it was said that they were going to be laying off 8-10 people and it wasn't a specific dept. that was targeted but several and based on specifics areas that are no longer being implemented in their field... not because they didn't have work. For this reason.. I don't think that he would have been one of the ones effected by those lay offs... but you are right.. new baby.. money problems already.. that might just be the straw that would send someone running away.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by K Anne


Good morning Mystry, your PM box is full...

Signing off on something due for print, signing off to show that you approve of changes made or of final presentation, signing off to close a project and move it to its next phase. It is not an odd statement in many fields, anything from graphic design to building construction...

My first thought/hope on signoff is that whatever he signed off on (if he did) is probably one of the first things that went into evidence. [/*]

oops I will have to fix that..

I don't know alot about that line but have heard that it isn't an odd statement for them to make. Coming from my line of work.. I would think that if his company paid for his internet or some other expense of his that he would have to submit those and sign off on them to get paid. So, IMO it really could have been anything. I have a feeling,, you are right and the police know what that was by now.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I have no idea. I am sure those that work with him would know what that might have been by now. I thought that there have been others that have posted that this is not an odd statement for someone in his field to make tho. Could be so many things he could have to sign off on. [/*]

Search Dogs Look For Missing Man
According to his wife, Francisco spoke to her on the evening of Feb. 13 and told her he was headed home but was going to stop off to “sign off on something” before arriving home.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html

IMO interesting phrasing - 'stop off' is unnecessary words if going to a co-worker's cubicle or boss' office. 'before arriving" is used instead of 'before leaving' for home. Confirmation would rule out other possibilities, IMO.
jmo

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by n/t
TTT, I also wonder if any of his coworkers overheard Nicholas say something over the phone or if Nicholas exhibited any signs of stress. Maybe not on that same day but days or weeks before his disappearance. I know at the very beginning they said they didn't notice anything unusual about Nicholas on 02.13 but maybe now after 6 weeks, some may have remembered something he may have said at the office or at a party, etc.

I hope they come forward with any information. Even the smallest detail can add a piece to solving this puzzle. [/*]

I think sometimes when we are under stress, once we make a decision about what to do about it, we can relax. Maybe this is what happened with Nick. He may have been acting stressed earlier and then decided to leave, possibly days before he actually did leave, so by the day he left he was more relaxed. I hope these co-workers are looking back in time and not just focusing on the last day he worked.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Search Dogs Look For Missing Man
According to his wife, Francisco spoke to her on the evening of Feb. 13 and told her he was headed home but was going to stop off to “sign off on something” before arriving home.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html

IMO interesting phrasing - 'stop off' is unnecessary words if going to a co-worker's cubicle or boss' office. 'before arriving" is used instead of 'before leaving' for home. Confirmation would rule out other possibilities, IMO.
jmo [/*]

Very interesting. So maybe the "signing off" wasn't necessarily at the office. He may have had to "sign off" at some other location.

Good catch!

[isitme]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Search Dogs Look For Missing Man
According to his wife, Francisco spoke to her on the evening of Feb. 13 and told her he was headed home but was going to stop off to “sign off on something” before arriving home.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html

IMO interesting phrasing - 'stop off' is unnecessary words if going to a co-worker's cubicle or boss' office. 'before arriving" is used instead of 'before leaving' for home. Confirmation would rule out other possibilities, IMO.
jmo [/*]

I too think clarification of the statement would be beneficial for LE.

One version seems to imply that it was a normal event in his work day and would have happened at the office before he left for home.

The other version states that the signing off would take place outside the office after he left around 6:00PM.

It is one or the other and could be quite significant.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by K Anne


Good morning Mystry, your PM box is full...

Signing off on something due for print, signing off to show that you approve of changes made or of final presentation, signing off to close a project and move it to its next phase. It is not an odd statement in many fields, anything from graphic design to building construction...

My first thought/hope on signoff is that whatever he signed off on (if he did) is probably one of the first things that went into evidence. [/*]

I can't find the list now, but I seem to remember on the list of facts that CF put up on the francisco website a few weeks back, she mentioned that he was signing off on something "at work" or words to that effect. I really don't think this has anything to do with his disappearance, just something to do with his normal job. The only link I could see might be if he made a special effort to sign off on it that night because he knew he wasn't going to be there to do it later.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Search Dogs Look For Missing Man
According to his wife, Francisco spoke to her on the evening of Feb. 13 and told her he was headed home but was going to stop off to “sign off on something” before arriving home.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/15348012/detail.html

IMO interesting phrasing - 'stop off' is unnecessary words if going to a co-worker's cubicle or boss' office. 'before arriving" is used instead of 'before leaving' for home. Confirmation would rule out other possibilities, IMO.
jmo [/*]

That is an interesting point.

But.. they did only quote the "sign off on something", so that could have been the reporters wording and not what was actually said.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I can't find the list now, but I seem to remember on the list of facts that CF put up on the francisco website a few weeks back, she mentioned that he was signing off on something "at work" or words to that effect. I really don't think this has anything to do with his disappearance, just something to do with his normal job. The only link I could see might be if he made a special effort to sign off on it that night because he knew he wasn't going to be there to do it later. [/*]

The list:

http://subparspokane.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/nicholas-francisco-update-2/

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by desmom


The list:

http://subparspokane.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/nicholas-francisco-update-2/ [/*]

Thanks, desmom. The third entry on this list made up by CF, says he had to sign off on something at work.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Thanks, desmom. The third entry on this list made up by CF, says he had to sign off on something at work. [/*]

Probably a poor choice of words! I don't mean CF "made it up" as in just put stuff down out of the blue, but rather that she prepared the list.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I think sometimes when we are under stress, once we make a decision about what to do about it, we can relax. Maybe this is what happened with Nick. He may have been acting stressed earlier and then decided to leave, possibly days before he actually did leave, so by the day he left he was more relaxed. I hope these co-workers are looking back in time and not just focusing on the last day he worked. [/*]

Other signs that may have been noticeable like:

Staying late at the office

Working on weekends

Weight loss

Isolation

etc


I'm sure there may be more signs that the employer or his coworkers may have noticed the days or weeks leading up to his disappearance.

[isitme]

But the fact that it was reported in two very sifferent ways warrent a further look to determine which statement is what NF said?

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by n/t


Other signs that may have been noticeable like:

Staying late at the office

Working on weekends

Weight loss

Isolation

etc


I'm sure there may be more signs that the employer or his coworkers may have noticed the days or weeks leading up to his disappearance. [/*]

Signs though that it sometimes takes a few days to realize are signs. So I would think it would be a good idea to re-interview these people if they haven't done so already. I hope they are still pinging or whatever they do his computer and cellphone to see if they are in use.

[carterkatt]

Do we know for a fact that people did get laid off from P's where NF worked? If so, do we have any way of knowing if he would have been included in that group?

and, if people were laid off, any idea if severance packages were offered?

[deek]

carterkatt,
According to the fourth article down on this site, 8-10 people were laid off by Publicis West:
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Is there a craigslist link to this, was he going somewhere that had to do with craiglist? I saw it mentioned in some of the blogs of NFs friends. HAs ANYONE heard ANYTHING about a craigslist link to this whole story?
Could he have gone somewhere to get his wife something? VD an all........the craigslist ref really bothered me and I've been thinking about it all night.
CT [/*]

I missed this Cat Toy. The only craigslist side that I have heard of is them looking to see if his laptop shows up on there for sale.

Was he searching on craigslist for something?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Anyone from the area that wants to help put fliers up around the condos and in the Federal Way area where the car was found.. this is really needed. Someone saw something down there and we need to find that person or persons. I'll be going down there this w/e to do that but the more fliers around that area.. the better. [/*]

Bumping

[Track292003]

Originally posted by isitme


I too think clarification of the statement would be beneficial for LE.

One version seems to imply that it was a normal event in his work day and would have happened at the office before he left for home.

The other version states that the signing off would take place outside the office after he left around 6:00PM.

It is one or the other and could be quite significant. [/*]
------------------
My hunch is that the reporter got it wrong, as all the other mentions of the signing off imply it was to happen at his office (which, as posters have said, would be a routine occurrence).

But I fully agree that, if the reporter is correct, it would be very significant and wonder if we could ask the reporter or find out in some other way what exactly CF said NF said about it.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
i'm still wondering if there is a suicide aspect to this case....and his body hasnt surfaced. :shrug:
How sad :rose: [/*]

When I first learned of this case I wondered if it was a suicide. The very first news articles mentioned financial difficulties, a new baby on the way. But the discovery of the car--and the fact that several witnesses told police the car had been moved around--pretty much indicates he's not a suicide. I would think if it was a suicide, his body would have surfaced by now. He disappeared and his car surfaced in very populated areas.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Anyone from the area that wants to help put fliers up around the condos and in the Federal Way area where the car was found.. this is really needed. Someone saw something down there and we need to find that person or persons. I'll be going down there this w/e to do that but the more fliers around that area.. the better. [/*]

What did they see? :confused:

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

<snip>

I missed this Cat Toy. The only craigslist side that I have heard of is them looking to see if his laptop shows up on there for sale.


Not sure if this is allowed to be discussed here but LE is supposed to give a list of things that are stolen to area pawn shops and pawn shops are to notify LE in their county when an item comes in that matches that serial #. (or at least that is how it's supposed to be done here).

My dad happened to purchase a stolen laptop from a pawn shop and the only way he discovered it had been stolen was by going into files and folders and then contacted the orig. owner to see if she wanted some of her pictures. She told him it was stolen from her home several months prior. IRRC, it was pawned the same day it was stolen.

(o/t- one of my cases I posted on has been resolved this wk, body found)

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by gln
"Coldwater - You are here to discuss the missing person and any news connected with it to HELP FIND the person. Not to gang up and post roses to make a joke of it or cause problems for me which is basically what it amounts to because I have closed them. In fact so many times & warnings ignored. I will watch today and if nothing informative or adult discussion I will archive the forum until such time as there is.
If there is no updated news, then we close the boards until such time as I am notified there is."

By far, the stupidest post of the year. How do you figure posting roses on the 6 week anniversary of Nicholas Francisco's disappearance, equates to making a joke of the situation?

Have you ever moderated a discussion board before? Because there is no "new" news there is nothing to discuss? Are you delusional or is the person that thought you would be good at moderating this board delusional? No wonder this board is the joke of the crime discussion boards. [/*]:eek:

[RainyNiteNTx]

gln - Coldwater has moderated this board for years. While this has been most frustrating understanding what we can and cannot discuss, posts like yours will close this forum.

I think some people have been wanting to get this closed for a few weeks now, so "mission accomplished".

You were correct though in stating that the roses were a tribute to Nicholas.

[Manatoc]

brought this over from another missing person thread:

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
New video of the search efforts.. they are basically going to plaster Bolingbrook with Stacy's missing posters, bumper stickers, and Stacy t-shirts. There will also be another fund raiser for money for it all in May. YAY for them~ Hopefully Stacy is brought home soon.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

You might have to search on the little tab on the bottom of the videos for it but it is there. [/*]

Nicholas' family and friends need to team up together and get something going. Stacy's friends have no clue where to start searching, but they're planning more searches. Is anybody local helping Christine?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Manatoc
brought this over from another missing person thread:



Nicholas' family and friends need to team up together and get something going. Stacy's friends have no clue where to start searching, but they're planning more searches. Is anybody local helping Christine? [/*]

Project Jason Contest Aims to Help Find More Missing People

"it's a fact that one out of every six missing person cases is solved by some kind of visual awareness," Kelly Jolkowski, founder of Project Jason and mother of a missing man says.
http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7989743&nav=menu550_2

http://www.projectjason.org/

[Curiouser]

I'm still wondering if Nick's father is also missing? I hear today that he did an interview at the Federal Way parking lot early on, but I've also heard that they were not able to do service on him of some court papers and also that his phone has been disconnected. If this is true, my thinking is that he and Nick may be together somewhere, maybe the Philipines, maybe Canada, maybe in the US somewhere. Maybe also they've contacted Nick's mom or sisters and they know he's OK although they may not know where he's at. This would make the lack of searches by the family make more sense. Also in CF's last interview she kept saying someone knows something and they need to tell me. I at the time thought she was referring to some "bad guy" that had taken Nick but maybe she's referring to her in-laws???

[esbee]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

I think it's very rare that an aritst would leave behind all he loved, his kids, his art work, his clothes, his "stuff" unless he had someome to lean on who could absolutely provide him with every need.
And that means an associate that was rich, and very well off imo.
:shrug: [/*]

hi cat. i'm not so sure about this. he may indeed have all he needs with him to create his art (laptop). i also have a coworker who states that it is extremely inexpensive to live in the phillipines (extended family?)

i wonder if a blitz of placing reward posters in the phillipines would net some results?

IMO

[esbee]

Originally posted by Curiouser
I'm still wondering if Nick's father is also missing? I hear today that he did an interview at the Federal Way parking lot early on, but I've also heard that they were not able to do service on him of some court papers and also that his phone has been disconnected. If this is true, my thinking is that he and Nick may be together somewhere, maybe the Philipines, maybe Canada, maybe in the US somewhere. [/*]Maybe also they've contacted Nick's mom or sisters and they know he's OK although they may not know where he's at. This would make the lack of searches by the family make more sense. Also in CF's last interview she kept saying someone knows something and they need to tell me. I at the time thought she was referring to some "bad guy" that had taken Nick but maybe she's referring to her in-laws???

this makes a lot of sense to me IMO.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by esbee


hi cat. i'm not so sure about this. he may indeed have all he needs with him to create his art (laptop). i also have a coworker who states that it is extremely inexpensive to live in the phillipines (extended family?)

i wonder if a blitz of placing reward posters in the phillipines would net some results?

IMO [/*]

Posters in the Philipines is an interesting thought! I wonder too if they (family or LE) have contacted family members there to see if they know anything.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Manatoc
brought this over from another missing person thread:



Nicholas' family and friends need to team up together and get something going. Stacy's friends have no clue where to start searching, but they're planning more searches. Is anybody local helping Christine? [/*]

That's what we've been trying to find out for weeks. If there are no searches planned, why??

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by n/t


What did they see? :confused: [/*]

A car doesn't just show up and get moved around without someone seeing something. If Nic drove the car there and then went somewhere else.. a hotel.. a car rental place.. whatever.. from there, most likely, someone saw something. If someone else drove the car there and continued to drive it til it was found then most likely someone saw them pulling in or out of the area.

I guess I am a little confused by your question?

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


A car doesn't just show up and get moved around without someone seeing something. If Nic drove the car there and then went somewhere else.. a hotel.. a car rental place.. whatever.. from there, most likely, someone saw something. If someone else drove the car there and continued to drive it til it was found then most likely someone saw them pulling in or out of the area.

I guess I am a little confused by your question? [/*]

Your post wasn't clear. I didn't realize you were referring to the possibility of someone seeing the car being moved around. I thought you were referring to someone seeing something else.

[esbee]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
K here is the deal, I'm going to write to the newspapers there, and include the info from AMW. It doesnt have that toast crock on it; and looks more official. So I'm going to direct them all that it is a case being profiled on AMW, for exposure I will use their name in the email w nicks. :shrug:
CT [/*]

thank you for doing this. i think it might work!

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Curiouser
I'm still wondering if Nick's father is also missing? I hear today that he did an interview at the Federal Way parking lot early on, but I've also heard that they were not able to do service on him of some court papers and also that his phone has been disconnected. If this is true, my thinking is that he and Nick may be together somewhere, maybe the Philipines, maybe Canada, maybe in the US somewhere. Maybe also they've contacted Nick's mom or sisters and they know he's OK although they may not know where he's at. This would make the lack of searches by the family make more sense. Also in CF's last interview she kept saying someone knows something and they need to tell me. I at the time thought she was referring to some "bad guy" that had taken Nick but maybe she's referring to her in-laws??? [/*]

:eek:

Are there any links for this???

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
n/t always pulls cat back to reality :D
Because like with the MaryBethSmith case, she wasnt missing she took off. And this was the reason for their silence, I went thru it day in day out posting there. We all thought she was dead.
Well, some of us are sure NF is dead, the wife is sure he is dead, but now seems to be waffling somewhat, on that issue from what I've seen online. Asking ppl for online info about her husband says to me; that she thinks he also had another life, one sadly, that she knew nothing about. It's very awful and hard whn you find out someone you love, isnt who you thought they were. I've been there. I find the actions in this case, and the lack of actions on the part of his family really baffling. They dont answer email; the sisters. I wish they did. I will send another facebook message, and plead to help us end speculation, have they heard anything....can they say anything to me so that speculation on Nick will end....if they would like it to.
CT [/*]

I still believe he's alive but even if the family thinks he's dead, that shouldn't stop them from planning searches. Now, I just want to make it clear that I do NOT know if they have planned searches or not. If they have, then great. Hopefully someone will let the concerned public know that they're searching. If not, I think the public needs to know why. If they want our help in finding Nicholas then they have to tell us what they need.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser
I'm still wondering if Nick's father is also missing? I hear today that he did an interview at the Federal Way parking lot early on, but I've also heard that they were not able to do service on him of some court papers and also that his phone has been disconnected. If this is true, my thinking is that he and Nick may be together somewhere, maybe the Philipines, maybe Canada, maybe in the US somewhere. Maybe also they've contacted Nick's mom or sisters and they know he's OK although they may not know where he's at. This would make the lack of searches by the family make more sense. Also in CF's last interview she kept saying someone knows something and they need to tell me. I at the time thought she was referring to some "bad guy" that had taken Nick but maybe she's referring to her in-laws??? [/*]

Why would him and his dad want to go to the Philipines specifically?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I still believe he's alive but even if the family thinks he's dead, that shouldn't stop them from planning searches. Now, I just want to make it clear that I do NOT know if they have planned searches or not. If they have, then great. Hopefully someone will let the concerned public know that they're searching. If not, I think the public needs to know why. If they want our help in finding Nicholas then they have to tell us what they need. [/*]

According to the information I can find, there have been no searches in over a month. Mystry says one is planned this week-end (or at least to put out flyers), so maybe this will refresh some memories.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Why would him and his dad want to go to the Philipines specifically? [/*]

IIRC that is where his Dad is from and they probably have family there

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


IIRC that is where his Dad is from and they probably have family there [/*]

Oh okay. I figured that was the angle but wasn't sure if I had missed something about him wanting to go there or something.

Thanks

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.balitapinoy.net/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=326&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=13655&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1696&hn=balitapinoy&he=.net

All I know is that early on they did place his info on this site.....
But the photo above his info is really caca. I'll drop them a line and ask to re list with his photo UNDER that guys photo....
:shrug: [/*]

Cat Toy - is this an ad in the Philipines newspaper? Were ads placed in other countries as well?

[Manatoc]

"he's got a hell of a big family"....some people interpreted that to mean "extended" family...I think LE was talking about their children. Two plus one on the way IS a big family for a 28 year old in 2008. IMO

[ThruTheTrees]

Well folks, you may want to go and take a look on Web Sleuths regarding an email received by a WS member today from Sgt Urquhart. It seems Christine is saying something new.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Manatoc
"he's got a hell of a big family"....some people interpreted that to mean "extended" family...I think LE was talking about their children. Two plus one on the way IS a big family for a 28 year old in 2008. IMO [/*]

I always thought that's what he meant to, especially since he said it right after mentioning "financial problems."

[mc528]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Well folks, you may want to go and take a look on Web Sleuths regarding an email received by a WS member today from Sgt Urquhart. It seems Christine is saying something new.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476 [/*]

Very interesting.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Well folks, you may want to go and take a look on Web Sleuths regarding an email received by a WS member today from Sgt Urquhart. It seems Christine is saying something new.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476 [/*]

I just read this post on there too, TTT. This is a radical change for CF from what she's been saying all along. WOW!

[carterkatt]

Secret Life??? WOW! :eek:

Wonder what led CF to that conclusion and where/when, to whom did she say this???

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Secret Life??? WOW! :eek:

Wonder what led CF to that conclusion and where/when, to whom did she say this??? [/*]

The sheriff says she's saying it "publically". I checked thefrancisco blog and supportingchristine and there's nothing new on either of those from her.

Saw the Proverbs 3 verses on the family blog. Sounds like a message to the missing hubby, telling him all the ways God wants him to behave to have such and such happen for him.

[carterkatt]

Maybe this is very naive - but I've always thought (hoped?) NF was reading here and other places right along with us!

[field of snow]

I know that we're all internet freaks, and CF and NF both had a hefty online life, but publicly doesn't always mean online. :)

Could = at the sheriff HQ, in her circle of supporters, at the grocery store, etc. In other words, around Seattle.

Originally posted by Curiouser


The sheriff says she's saying it "publically". I checked thefrancisco blog and supportingchristine and there's nothing new on either of those from her.

Saw the Proverbs 3 verses on the family blog. Sounds like a message to the missing hubby, telling him all the ways God wants him to behave to have such and such happen for him. [/*]

[boo]

I wonder how he could have got to the Phillipines without being detected if he did fly out.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by boo
I wonder how he could have got to the Phillipines without being detected if he did fly out. [/*]

If you fly out of PDX (Portland), would Seattle police be looking for you?

Do we even know if they checked the flights for his name? He's not wanted for a crime. Do they do that for a missing adult?

[mc528]

Originally posted by boo
I wonder how he could have got to the Phillipines without being detected if he did fly out. [/*]

Since, per LE, no crime has apparently been committed, NF wouldn't have been on any "do not fly" list, or likely even stopped at an airport. If he paid cash, or someone purchased the ticket, without a warrant for flight manifests, LE might not even know if he flew somewhere. IMO/JMO/MOO

[boo]

Originally posted by field of snow


If you fly out of PDX (Portland), would Seattle police be looking for you?

Do we even know if they checked the flights for his name? He's not wanted for a crime. Do they do that for a missing adult? [/*]

I suppose if he did it the night of the 13th, they wouldn't have been looking for him then. Was it ever confirmed whether or not he had a password?

[Manatoc]

did he leave with someone? I'd still like answers to the car mystery...car at condo, moved several times, abandoned.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by boo


I suppose if he did it the night of the 13th, they wouldn't have been looking for him then. Was it ever confirmed whether or not he had a password? [/*]

BTW, welcome Boo! I am suddenly hungry for Boo Berry Cereal.

I am guessing you mean passport? Hehe.. CF said she didn't know. Who knows if that was checked. Is that something LE would check with the State Department?Just like with the flight manifests/records, at what point in a simple missing person's case (no sign of foul play) does LE check that far? Maybe someone needs to write the Good Sgt another email?

Maybe when they were supposed to be looking up NF's passport is when they looked up the presidential candidates instead? :cool:

[boo]

Originally posted by field of snow


BTW, welcome Boo! I am suddenly hungry for Boo Berry Cereal.

I am guessing you mean passport? Hehe.. CF said she didn't know. Who knows if that was checked. Is that something LE would check with the State Department?Just like with the flight manifests/records, at what point in a simple missing person's case (no sign of foul play) does LE check that far? Maybe someone needs to write the Good Sgt another email?

Maybe when they were supposed to be looking up NF's passport is when they looked up the presidential candidates instead? :cool: [/*]

Yeah, passport, that's what I meant. Sounds like the sgt. likes to talk. I guess if he's willing to talk, we could write?

:shrug:

[decor]

what are the opinions of those that saw the interview with NF's father?

I only caught a small bit of it but remember thinking he didn't seem upset or surprised.

[need2no]

Originally posted by field of snow


BTW, welcome Boo! I am suddenly hungry for Boo Berry Cereal.

I am guessing you mean passport? Hehe.. CF said she didn't know. Who knows if that was checked. Is that something LE would check with the State Department?Just like with the flight manifests/records, at what point in a simple missing person's case (no sign of foul play) does LE check that far? Maybe someone needs to write the Good Sgt another email?

Maybe when they were supposed to be looking up NF's passport is when they looked up the presidential candidates instead? :cool: [/*]

If LE boarded an airplane to whereever wouldn't this just mean he walked away, and if so no crime, so I doubt LE would even check into this or whether or not he had a passport. Right?
Wouldn't they only check into things which implied foul play?
Does seem like it would be easy enough for LE to check on whether he had a current passport, but I wonder if they'd bother.

[decor]

I also think that if he was leading a secret life it had to be online because when the heck would he have had time in RL?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Manatoc
did he leave with someone? I'd still like answers to the car mystery...car at condo, moved several times, abandoned. [/*]

There is a link, "Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview,"to the Greta interview with this story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Greta asks about the car.

[need2no]

Originally posted by boo


Yeah, passport, that's what I meant. Sounds like the sgt. likes to talk. I guess if he's willing to talk, we could write?

:shrug: [/*]

I've seen so many posts questioning why LE isn't, or hasn't done this that and the other. Perhaps this Sargent is annoyed the public doesn't think they are doing their job and wants the public to understand the reason they aren't currently doing anything. Maybe this is why he shared her belief about NF leading a "secret life". Who knows what else he might be willing to respond to.

Sounds to me like a press conference would be in order, especially if he is receiving a lot of emails with questions or suggestions.

[boo]

Originally posted by decor
what are the opinions of those that saw the interview with NF's father?

I only caught a small bit of it but remember thinking he didn't seem upset or surprised. [/*]

That's what I remember about his father. He didn't seemed at all surprised by the circumstances.

[boo]

Originally posted by desmom


There is a link, "Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview,"to the Greta interview with this story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Greta asks about the car. [/*]

Thank you, desmom. I never did see this interview and always wanted to.

[decor]

Originally posted by boo


That's what I remember about his father. He didn't seemed at all surprised by the circumstances. [/*]

I just watched it. His father made a face and said well you know my son is missing. seems weird. okay. this man was not distraught, not upset, not surprised.
did he even have a relationship with his son?

[n/t]

Originally posted by boo
I wonder how he could have got to the Phillipines without being detected if he did fly out. [/*]

From what I understand, if he left voluntarily, he did not commit a crime.

My guess and this is only a guess is that LE knows more than they're letting on. They may have proof of some sort that he did leave voluntarily but until he is found or a family member comes forward, they can't close the file which may be the reason there are no planned searches that we know of.

He could be anywhere.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by decor


I just watched it. His father made a face and said well you know my son is missing. seems weird. okay. this man was not distraught, not upset, not surprised.
did he even have a relationship with his son? [/*]

Do you have a link to his father's interview? I would love to see it. I've been thinking for awhile now that the two of them may be off somewhere. There was some mention that his father hadn't been served with some court papers and his phone was disconnected so he seems to be sort of missing too???

[field of snow]

Originally posted by decor
what are the opinions of those that saw the interview with NF's father?

I only caught a small bit of it but remember thinking he didn't seem upset or surprised. [/*]

I agree. And I think he's a key in this.

[decor]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Do you have a link to his father's interview? I would love to see it. I've been thinking for awhile now that the two of them may be off somewhere. There was some mention that his father hadn't been served with some court papers and his phone was disconnected so he seems to be sort of missing too??? [/*]

here it is
http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html

he is only on VERY briefly probably because he didn't act like his son was missing. let me know what you think.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html

[Manatoc]

Originally posted by desmom


There is a link, "Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview,"to the Greta interview with this story:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Greta asks about the car. [/*]

Seems the video was removed. I was just wondering if he met someone at the condo parking lot, did he leave immediately and abandon his car or was he staying with someone nearby. If the car was moved, was HE driving it. He must have some connection to that area IMO.

[need2no]

Here's a link to a Phillipines newspaper with NF's missing person flyer:



http://www.balitapinoy.net/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=326&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=13655&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1696&hn=balitapinoy&he=.net

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by decor


here it is
http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html

he is only on VERY briefly probably because he didn't act like his son was missing. let me know what you think.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html [/*]

Oh, my!! The little faces he makes doesn't seem like he's very worked up over this does it. Does he actually say, that's weird, that's all I can tell you?? I thought before he might know something, now I think so even more. He doesn't act like he's trying to just be non-emotional for the camera but rather that he really doesn't think much of the whole thing.

[boo]

Originally posted by Manatoc


Seems the video was removed. I was just wondering if he met someone at the condo parking lot, did he leave immediately and abandon his car or was he staying with someone nearby. If the car was moved, was HE driving it. He must have some connection to that area IMO. [/*]

If he was staying nearby and using it, he must have been tres bummed when he walked out and it was gone one day. Wonder if he reported it stolen?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Oh, my!! The little faces he makes doesn't seem like he's very worked up over this does it. Does he actually say, that's weird, that's all I can tell you?? I thought before he might know something, now I think so even more. He doesn't act like he's trying to just be non-emotional for the camera but rather that he really doesn't think much of the whole thing. [/*]

Yes, when I saw that, my sense was that he wasn't taking it all too seriously... that he didn't seem really worried that something bad had happened to Nick. OTOH, people who suddenly find themselves speaking into a camera don't always come across the way we might expect. He could have just been nervous about the whole thing.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by boo


If he was staying nearby and using it, he must have been tres bummed when he walked out and it was gone one day. Wonder if he reported it stolen? [/*]

What a shocker, eh??

Anyway, maybe he did go there to "be with" someone, just for a quickie Valentine moment, fell asleep or something, then CF reports him missing, the car gets hauled away and the stuff hits the fan so to speak. What to do now? Maybe hide in the back room while someone else answer's the door and tells the police they never heard of him and THEN run off somewhere else. Dad seems to be a pretty laid-back guy so we'll let him know that all is well and he can tell whoever else in the family he wants (ex-wife, daughters). Eventually CF sort of figures out things or some relative can't keep a secret any longer and now the hunting comes to a stop, take all his pix down, who really wants the bum to come back now anyway. Just go to Mexico and drink your Margaritas, see who cares!!!

[decor]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Oh, my!! The little faces he makes doesn't seem like he's very worked up over this does it. Does he actually say, that's weird, that's all I can tell you?? I thought before he might know something, now I think so even more. He doesn't act like he's trying to just be non-emotional for the camera but rather that he really doesn't think much of the whole thing. [/*]

I thought his facial expressions were interesting.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by decor


I thought his facial expressions were interesting. [/*]

Isn't it also interesting that neither of CF parents or sister appeared on camera? TIA

[decor]

Originally posted by decor


I thought his facial expressions were interesting. [/*]

almost like he was trying not to laugh and I didn't think he seemed nervous at all being interviewed.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Yes, when I saw that, my sense was that he wasn't taking it all too seriously... that he didn't seem really worried that something bad had happened to Nick. OTOH, people who suddenly find themselves speaking into a camera don't always come across the way we might expect. He could have just been nervous about the whole thing. [/*]


Wonder if Dad already knew Nick was thinking about leaving so he's not surprised when he finally does go. Or if he knew something about Nick's "secret life" maybe he knows why Nick would leave and so isn't surprised that he has.

[boo]

Originally posted by decor


I thought his facial expressions were interesting. [/*]

interesting how, decor? Interesting like it's an obligatory interview or interesting like he's concerned for his missing son?

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by need2no


I've seen so many posts questioning why LE isn't, or hasn't done this that and the other. Perhaps this Sargent is annoyed the public doesn't think they are doing their job and wants the public to understand the reason they aren't currently doing anything. Maybe this is why he shared her belief about NF leading a "secret life". Who knows what else he might be willing to respond to.

Sounds to me like a press conference would be in order, especially if he is receiving a lot of emails with questions or suggestions. [/*]

Haven't read the rest of the responses, but Sgt. John's role is the spokesman for the KCSO. I've watched him for years.

There's something more afoot! IMO. He doesn't fib, nor is he ignorant that message boards are talking about this.

Is he toying with y'all, or sending a message to someone else?

[decor]

Originally posted by Curiouser



Wonder if Dad already knew Nick was thinking about leaving so he's not surprised when he finally does go. Or if he knew something about Nick's "secret life" maybe he knows why Nick would leave and so isn't surprised that he has. [/*]

wonder if nick had already arranged to disappear with his father.

[boo]

Originally posted by decor


wonder if nick had already arranged to disappear with his father. [/*]
That's what i'm thinking. Daddy didn't look at all surprised by the news.

[decor]

Originally posted by boo


interesting how, decor? Interesting like it's an obligatory interview or interesting like he's concerned for his missing son? [/*]

did you see my post above where I thought he was trying not to laugh.

he also said, it hasn't sunk in. How long does it take for one to compute that your child is missing?

I understand for it to take time if the person has died, but missing? people usually go off the deep end when that happens and they do it right away. heck look at the posters here.
they are more emotional than his father.