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decor

03-27-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by boo

interesting how, decor? Interesting like it's an obligatory interview or interesting like he's concerned for his missing son? [/*]

did you see my post above where I thought he was trying not to laugh.

he also said, it hasn't sunk in. How long does it take for one to compute that your child is missing?

I understand for it to take time if the person has died, but missing? people usually go off the deep end when that happens and they do it right away. heck look at the posters here.
they are more emotional than his father.

Maranatha

03-27-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by decor

wonder if nick had already arranged to disappear with his father. [/*]

What motive would his dad have to disappear? What do we know about the dad?

need2no

03-27-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Haven't read the rest of the responses, but Sgt. John's role is the spokesman for the KCSO. I've watched him for years.

There's something more afoot! IMO. He doesn't fib, nor is he ignorant that message boards are talking about this.

Is he toying with y'all, or sending a message to someone else? [/*]

Could be killing 2 birds with one stone...who knows.

decor

03-27-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

What motive would his dad have to disappear? What do we know about the dad? [/*]

he may not have had one except to hide his son which can be motive enough if he feels it needed to be done.

Curiouser

03-27-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Isn't it also interesting that neither of CF parents or sister appeared on camera? TIA [/*]

Yes, that is interesting too. The only thing I ever heard about any of them was that someone on Etsy supposedly talked to her sister and she's the one who suggested that they needed money so desperately. (Sorry I don't have a link but it was on the early forums on etsy.com).

Of course even NF's own mother and sisters (and father) were only on once each that I'm aware of. I believe the sisters who are Catholic had a vigil but that seems to have been the only one, at least the only one announced publicly. You would think they might have had something on the 30-day anniversary.

CF did mention on Etsy though when some local person asked if they could help or babysit or something that the house was full and they didn't need anymore help there.

need2no

03-27-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by decor

wonder if nick had already arranged to disappear with his father. [/*]

Do you know the date the dad was interviewed? I just wondered how that corresponded with the date the car was discovered.

decor

03-27-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Do you know the date the dad was interviewed? I just wondered how that corresponded with the date the car was discovered. [/*]

I thought that was all done on the same day since it was the same video of finding the car and interviewing the father.

Curiouser

03-27-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Do you know the date the dad was interviewed? I just wondered how that corresponded with the date the car was discovered. [/*]

Wasn't it like the next day when they had a new lead from the car and went there to search? The video looked like it was dark out so maybe the night the car was found or really early the next morning before daylight??

Curiouser

03-27-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by decor

he may not have had one except to hide his son which can be motive enough if he feels it needed to be done. [/*]

I wonder if the father works or is retired or between jobs or something. If he's not working, they could've just decided to go off together. Maybe the father has a hunting cabin in the northwoods or Canada or a house in the Philipines or something. Or at least a good idea of which Philipine relatives would keep them for awhile or where would be a good place to hide.

need2no

03-27-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by decor

he may not have had one except to hide his son which can be motive enough if he feels it needed to be done. [/*]

Someone had posted about his dad having an upcoming court date involving another woman and that it "appeared' it might be for another divorce, (I think and IIRC). Maybe he was ready to hit the road to avoid paying alimony, or some of his own past due debts, or maybe he just was ready for a new beginning for himself, and the timing was right for both father and son to hit the road. :shrug:

MOO

Maranatha

03-27-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by decor

he may not have had one except to hide his son which can be motive enough if he feels it needed to be done. [/*]

Yeah, a parent will do anything to protect the child (insert snide parental reference to criminals here).

I can't wrap my head about what Nic would be in a position to do. He has no money, no power, no influence. No one connect to him is murdered or missing, except his own.

The secret life thing ... yikes, where has Christine stated this "publicly"?

Lot's of intrepid interweb searchers here! Lol, I'm not in that sisterhood.

decor

03-27-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Do you know the date the dad was interviewed? I just wondered how that corresponded with the date the car was discovered. [/*]

okay. I think the father was interviewed the night before the car was found because they said the father had come in the night before and it was dark during the interview but it was light when they were towing the car.
Your son is missing and people are searching everywhere and you live in the same state and wait almost a week before you go to help search for your son?

need2no

03-27-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by decor

I thought that was all done on the same day since it was the same video of finding the car and interviewing the father. [/*]

I think you're right...didn't the father show up to help search after the car was discovered?

Well that would work out just right then. Leave the car in plain site, car is discovered, dad shows up, NF meets up with dad later that night away from the condos while everyone is there searching, and leaves town with dad.

decor

03-27-2008, 11:28 PM

Nellie

03-27-2008, 11:28 PM

I've been away all day and am trying to catch up now.

So, it seems we've gone from dissecting the wife's interview appearances, body language, etc. to dissecting the father's? Is that right? Which I find funny to find those who were against people drawing conclusions from the wife's appearances and are now jumping in on reading the father's body language. Oh well!

I read the new letter from the Sheriff and am just not sure what to make of it or whether to even believe it. First of all, where is she publically saying this about Nicholas having a "secret life"?
And why would he tell that to strangers? And even if she is saying that, could it be to throw off any investigation to see if Nicholas was murdered, as she said he was?

I gotta give this some thought before I jump on the bandwagon that he is living a "secret life" and she knows it and is telling others.

decor

03-27-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I think you're right...didn't the father show up to help search after the car was discovered?

Well that would work out just right then. Leave the car in plain site, car is discovered, dad shows up, NF meets up with dad later that night away from the condos while everyone is there searching, and leaves town with dad. [/*]

I had stated this early on that I thought the car was being moved around so someone would report it. I wonder if the father was down there most of the time helping.
And between the two of them if they had been saving to do this, it would have been easier with two.

A lot of people have felt there was an accomplice but I don't think anyone thought it might have been the father.

ThruTheTrees

03-27-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by decor

okay. I think the father was interviewed the night before the car was found because they said the father had come in the night before and it was dark during the interview but it was light when they were towing the car.
Your son is missing and people are searching everywhere and you live in the same state and wait almost a week before you go to help search for your son? [/*]

The TV news show was the day after the car was found -- a Tuesday. So when they said he had come in "the night before", they meant the Monday night. (The car was found Monday morning.)

decor

03-27-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

The TV news show was the day after the car was found -- a Tuesday. So when they said he had come in "the night before", they meant the Monday night. (The car was found Monday morning.) [/*]

so he didn't come in until after the car was found which means he waited an entire week before he went to look for his son. I find that more than a little strange.

Silver_Dove

03-27-2008, 11:36 PM

Publicly doesn't have to be on the internet or in print. She may have said something to people who call the police to let them know.

Cury-us Coyote

03-27-2008, 11:37 PM

Why would an approx 22-yr old male legally change his surname to that of his guardian-ad-litem? Why does someone of legal age need a guardian? TIA

decor

03-27-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Why would an approx 22-yr old male legally change his surname to that of his guardian-ad-litem? Why does someone of legal age need a guardian? TIA [/*]

because of his mental capacity?

decor

03-27-2008, 11:41 PM

Curiouser

03-27-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by decor

so he didn't come in until after the car was found which means he waited an entire week before he went to look for his son. I find that more than a little strange. [/*]

Maybe none of the family had contacted him to even let him know Nick was missing.

Some other thoughts on this:
Maybe Nick and his dad had already made it up to go off together but Nick hadn't really "set a date" to leave. So a chance presented itself and he left. He or someone he knows in the condos that he's staying with till his dad gets there, move the car around a bit in an effort to keep it from being noticed. But before his dad could get there and they could leave as planned, the car was found so they had to modify their plans. That could account for the father almost seeming to be hiding laughter.

Curiouser

03-27-2008, 11:46 PM

Cury-us Coyote

03-27-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by decor

or because it was someone who he trusted or felt saved him or helped him and wanted his name? [/*]

Even if the hypothetical guardian is female? TIA

decor

03-27-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Even if the hypothetical guardian is female? TIA [/*]

why not?

if you felt that a female had "saved" you or was there when you needed her when no one else was would you want to be associated with her last name? would you feel it was tribute to her?

Maranatha

03-27-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I've been away all day and am trying to catch up now.

So, it seems we've gone from dissecting the wife's interview appearances, body language, etc. to dissecting the father's? Is that right? Which I find funny to find those who were against people drawing conclusions from the wife's appearances and are now jumping in on reading the father's body language. Oh well!

I read the new letter from the Sheriff and am just not sure what to make of it or whether to even believe it. First of all, where is she publically saying this about Nicholas having a "secret life"?
And why would he tell that to strangers? And even if she is saying that, could it be to throw off any investigation to see if Nicholas was murdered, as she said he was?

I gotta give this some thought before I jump on the bandwagon that he is living a "secret life" and she knows it and is telling others. [/*]

I asked the same thing about where did Christine say "secret life" publicly.

But ... the spokesman for the KCSO would not say that in an email. IMO, but "knowing" him so to speak. He's a very honest man, forthcoming if he can, but never compromising an investigation.

Unless an anonymous poster at WS made it all up and there is no such email.

Just a thought. :)

Cury-us Coyote

03-28-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by decor

why not?

if you felt that a female had "saved" you or was there when you needed her when no one else was would you want to be associated with her last name? would you feel it was tribute to her? [/*]

Well, IMO maybe if the tribute was a scholarship created in that name but not IF it was a criminal record in her name.
jmo

field of snow

03-28-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Well, IMO maybe if the tribute was a scholarship created in that name but not IF it was a criminal record in her name.
jmo [/*]

I am so confused!

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

I am so confused! [/*]

Me too! But I guess this somehow relates to Nicholas's disappearance, otherwise it would be deleted like the roses.. right?:shrug:

decor

03-28-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Well, IMO maybe if the tribute was a scholarship created in that name but not IF it was a criminal record in her name.
jmo [/*]

what would be the purpose? they would have to change the name back again but the record would still be with them.
I can't imagine that this woman is the only person on earth with this name so if it was for criminal purposes it doesn't necessarily mean her name would be associated with it.

boo

03-28-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

I am so confused! [/*]

Thank you! I thought it was me. What are they talking about? I thought i stumbled into a different forum.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by decor

what would be the purpose? they would have to change the name back again but the record would still be with them.
I can't imagine that this woman is the only person on earth with this name so if it was for criminal purposes it doesn't necessarily mean her name would be associated with it. [/*]

OK, enough already!! Let the rest of us in on the big secret. Pllleeeeassse...

decor

03-28-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by boo

Thank you! I thought it was me. What are they talking about? I thought i stumbled into a different forum. [/*]

LOL I have no idea. I am just responding :)

boo

03-28-2008, 12:14 AM

now i'm even more confused. :tongue:

Cury-us Coyote

03-28-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

I am so confused! [/*]

http://www.veromi.net/Search/People/Default.htm

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:17 AM

I guess Cury-Us Cyote has finally slipped over the edge...

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

http://www.veromi.net/Search/People/Default.htm

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/ [/*]

What exactly are we supposed to search for??

shelkobe

03-28-2008, 12:26 AM

Today's thread is more confusing than an episode of Lost.

kpb

03-28-2008, 12:26 AM

What do these codes mean?

2 02-26-2008 CMDWP
ACTION Clks Mot For Dismiss Fr Wnt Of Pros
#2 Clerk's Motion For Dismissal 04-18-2008D2

Cury-us Coyote

03-28-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

What exactly are we supposed to search for?? [/*]

"Nicholas is a family man; he is really committed to all of his family," his sister-in-law, Janel Fox of Seattle, said Tuesday. "We're still maintaining hope. We're waiting to bring him home."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004191118_missingman20m.html

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by kpb
What do these codes mean?

2 02-26-2008 CMDWP
ACTION Clks Mot For Dismiss Fr Wnt Of Pros
#2 Clerk's Motion For Dismissal 04-18-2008D2 [/*]

Looks to me like the case was dismissed because of the time that had elapsed. She first filed the separation petition in 2004. After a certain amount of time and no further action, the cases get dismissed and then have to be refiled.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

"Nicholas is a family man; he is really committed to all of his family," his sister-in-law, Janel Fox of Seattle, said Tuesday. "We're still maintaining hope. We're waiting to bring him home."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004191118_missingman20m.html [/*]

This is from Tuesday, Feb. 20th. Its really too late at night for me to try to figure out what you're trying to say. Please just come out with it!!!

decor

03-28-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

"Nicholas is a family man; he is really committed to all of his family," his sister-in-law, Janel Fox of Seattle, said Tuesday. "We're still maintaining hope. We're waiting to bring him home."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004191118_missingman20m.html [/*]

now I am confused. why are we searching her sister? what are we looking for? what does this have to do with Nick changing his name?

field of snow

03-28-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by kpb
What do these codes mean?

2 02-26-2008 CMDWP
ACTION Clks Mot For Dismiss Fr Wnt Of Pros
#2 Clerk's Motion For Dismissal 04-18-2008D2 [/*]

Clerks Motion for Dismissal For...and I didn't get the rest. I tried looking up codes for court records,but no luck.

FR could also = financial records
Wnt = want? Warrant?
Pros = Process? Prosecute?

Warrant and Prosecute don't make sense in a domestic court issue though.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by decor

now I am confused. why are we searching her sister? what are we looking for? what does this have to do with Nick changing his name? [/*]

Nick changed his name? Where did you see that?

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Looks to me like the case was dismissed because of the time that had elapsed. She first filed the separation petition in 2004. After a certain amount of time and no further action, the cases get dismissed and then have to be refiled. [/*]

Where on earth do you get a separation petition out of this and where does it say anything about 2004???

shelkobe

03-28-2008, 12:35 AM

Is everyone speaking in code?

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

did someone file for divorce??
CT [/*]

This is from the court case in which Nick's dad (Noel Francisco) was the respondent in a legal separation action initiated by his wife in 2004. (Not Nick's mom, his next wife). If you look at the full case, it was filed in 2004 and is set to be dismissed next month. There were a couple of summons sent to him regarding the case in early March and they came back as undeliverable.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Where on earth do you get a separation petition out of this and where does it say anything about 2004??? [/*]

See my other message above. If you go to the Washington courts website -- http://dw.courts.wa.gov

and search by the name of "Noel Francisco", that is where this info is coming from. It's been reported on these boards at least a couple times before.

decor

03-28-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Nick changed his name? Where did you see that? [/*]

The question asked was why would a 22 year old male change his name to that of his guardian-ad-litem.. I was assuming that we were talking about Nick.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by decor

The question asked was why would a 22 year old male change his name to that of his guardian-ad-litem.. I was assuming that we were talking about Nick. [/*]

Wouldn't he and CF have been married by the time he was 22? That's only 6 years ago and I thought they'd been married 7.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by decor

The question asked was why would a 22 year old male change his name to that of his guardian-ad-litem.. I was assuming that we were talking about Nick. [/*]

Please, Cury-Us, why don't you just explain yourself. What is all this you're aluding to?

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by decor

The question asked was why would a 22 year old male change his name to that of his guardian-ad-litem.. I was assuming that we were talking about Nick. [/*]

Guess I'm not following then. Since he's gone by the same name since he was born.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Guess I'm not following then. Since he's gone by the same name since he was born. [/*]

Join the crowd, I don't think anyone else is either!

decor

03-28-2008, 12:46 AM

I have no idea then.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

TTT that's right I remember now; we heard about the return addresses in the beg, the no service....someone here had done extensive searching online...I gotcha now. I had no idea who that case belonged to :D [/*]

But what does this have to do with a 22-year-old male changing his name??

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

But what does this have to do with a 22-year-old male changing his name?? [/*]

I don't think it has anything to do with it.

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I don't think it has anything to do with it. [/*]

So does it have something to do with something else or was I right in my earlier post that Cury-Us Coyote has just slipped over the edge???

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

So does it have something to do with something else or was I right in my earlier post that Cury-Us Coyote has just slipped over the edge??? [/*]

I would say one of those 2 possibilities! And has flown the coop as well...

Cury-us Coyote

03-28-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I dont know: I dont see anywhere where he has gone by another name or had a name change. But Cury is a mega SUPER researcher!!! Enlighten us via pm CC will ya?
I've looked up everyones names in King co and I just dont get any hits. Not in the court system for NF or anyone besides his father. :shrug:

What county is vancouver in?? [/*]

FWIW -
Clark Co includes Vancouver
Skagit Co includes Burlington, Concrete, Mount Vernon, Sedro Woolley
King Co includes Seattle
Pierce Co includes Tacoma
Kitsap Co includes Port Orchard
jmo [/*]

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

FWIW -
Clark Co includes Vancouver
Skagit Co includes Burlington, Concrete, Mount Vernon, Sedro Woolley
King Co includes Seattle
Pierce Co includes Tacoma
Kitsap Co includes Port Orchard
jmo [/*] [/*]

I must say, as far as I'm concerned its not worth much!!

isitme

03-28-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Guess I'm not following then. Since he's gone by the same name since he was born. [/*]

If a person changes their name do all of the birth records change to reflect that change just as they do when a person is adopted?

And aren't most adoption files sealed?

Just thinking out loud on what this mystery is all about and what, if anything, it has to do NF.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

FWIW -
Clark Co includes Vancouver
Skagit Co includes Burlington, Concrete, Mount Vernon, Sedro Woolley
King Co includes Seattle
Pierce Co includes Tacoma
Kitsap Co includes Port Orchard
jmo [/*] [/*]

oh, you're back! How about filling in the blanks for us now?

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

oh, you're back! How about filling in the blanks for us now? [/*]

Yes, PLEASE!

Cury-us Coyote

03-28-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

oh, you're back! How about filling in the blanks for us now? [/*]

In general terms, there appears to be several separations in both CF and NF's biological families. It is NOT Nicholas who changed his name.
jmo

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 01:24 AM

isitme

03-28-2008, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

In general terms, there appears to be several separations in both CF and NF's biological families. It is NOT Nicholas who changed his name.
jmo [/*]

okay so let me see if I understand the facts of your hypothetical

person changes name at the age of 22

some records somewhere indicate that there was a guardian ad litem appointed for this person at, or around, the age of 22

the name change indicates that the 22 year old took the name of the guardian ad litem

My questions are - did this person still have the advocacy of the guardian ad litem at the time of the name change?

how old was this person when the guardian ad litem was appointed to represent this person?

Nellie

03-28-2008, 01:34 AM

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Long day. Tired brain. Could you PM the specifics? TIA! [/*]

My brain too is tired so if you're not going to tell all on the board, I would appreciate a PM as well. TIA!!!

Curiouser

03-28-2008, 01:36 AM

K Anne

03-28-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Long day. Tired brain. Could you PM the specifics? TIA! [/*]

:confused: Wow folks... I am completely confused. Can you PM me as well, TIA...

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Ok,so what other name did Christine go by?

I'm confused by all of this. [/*]

I don't think it's Christine. She said 22 year old male changed his name.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:42 AM

sadiemay:

ketchup - we are discussing NEW news

field of snow

03-28-2008, 01:43 AM

At least the thread isn't 18 pages long so we shouldn't have to suffer too much..

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by field of snow
At least the thread isn't 18 pages long so we shouldn't have to suffer too much.. [/*]

Hahaha....geesh!!

field of snow

03-28-2008, 01:45 AM

Well I think it's time to go to bed. Obviously it's going to be a solo show for someone now.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Manatoc

I don't think it's Christine. She said 22 year old male changed his name. [/*]

Oh ok...that shows how lost I am!
I hate it when people talk in mysteries. Just spill it!

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:48 AM

Hope CW takes notes on THIS one...

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Oh ok...that shows how lost I am!
I hate it when people talk in mysteries. Just spill it! [/*]

I'm lost too...sorry

But CT's stalker is somewhat entertaining...

boo

03-28-2008, 01:50 AM

G'nite snow. I'm off too. As entertaining as "this" one is, I'd rather go watch my grass grow.

I believe Nicholas will appear in the next 3 days. Just my guess.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Oh ok...that shows how lost I am!
I hate it when people talk in mysteries. Just spill it! [/*]

I'm with you. Why play games? I thought we were all here to try and solve mysteries, not create new ones... Well that's why I'm here, and I intend to share any info I find straight up, without leaving cryptic clues.

But hey, different strokes for different folks!

kpb

03-28-2008, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Manatoc

But CT's stalker is somewhat entertaining... [/*]

Yeah, seems there's always one in the crowd. :rolleyes: As much fun as it is sitting here watching this one dissect today's posts one by one, I think I'm off to bed too.

Great discussion tonight everyone, but still confused about who in the heck changed their name! :confused:

If someone knows, please PM me! :)

boo

03-28-2008, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

None of us knows, Daddy. Just because he reacts differently than some of us might, doesn't mean a thing. Let's not read too much into our perception of how he SHOULD BEHAVE. moo [/*]

LMAOAY!

kpb

03-28-2008, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

What is the point of this post? If you "know" something, post it. If not, please don't play games. moo [/*]

As someone stated previously, you might want to "ketchup" first as your post makes no sense.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:01 AM

goodnight...hope we figure out the name change mystery tomorrow.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

What county is Vancouver in? You must be kidding? :lol: [/*]

I believe this is against TOS

Nellie

03-28-2008, 02:03 AM

I'm heading out too. Seems all conversation is being picked apart by a certain poster. I'll go read elsewhere.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

I've read it all, and it isn't really news. Lots of speculation and far out theories. jmo [/*]

if you didn't see "new" news, you didn't read it all. Goodnight.

boo

03-28-2008, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

Who are you referring to possibly having mental illness? jmo [/*]

Yeah, that's a tough one.

kpb

03-28-2008, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Manatoc

if you didn't see "new" news, you didn't read it all. Goodnight. [/*]

Exactly Manatoc, someone either "skimmed" or doesn't comprehend what they read. :shrug:

Goodnight! :rose:

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:43 AM

Let's start with Thursday's mystery:

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

In general terms, there appears to be several separations in both CF and NF's biological families. It is NOT Nicholas who changed his name.
jmo [/*]

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:44 AM

from Thursday:

Originally posted by isitme

okay so let me see if I understand the facts of your hypothetical

person changes name at the age of 22

some records somewhere indicate that there was a guardian ad litem appointed for this person at, or around, the age of 22

the name change indicates that the 22 year old took the name of the guardian ad litem

My questions are - did this person still have the advocacy of the guardian ad litem at the time of the name change?

how old was this person when the guardian ad litem was appointed to represent this person? [/*]

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:47 AM

Cury-us Coyote,

Come fill in the blanks for us.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

What county is Vancouver in? You must be kidding? :lol: [/*]

Golly you guys, *everyone* knows Vancouver is in the "county" of CANADA! :rolleyes:

O/T: Winter Olympics 2010 -- woo hoo! Hope our $ is worth more by then...

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:54 AM

And just in case anyone missed the "new" news on Thursday, here's the link:

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Well folks, you may want to go and take a look on Web Sleuths regarding an email received by a WS member today from Sgt Urquhart. It seems Christine is saying something new.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476 [/*]

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

My post makes no sense? I'm sorry, but I think it makes perfect sense. There is absolutely no facts in this case that are new. I would love for there to be though. I don't care about gossip, or theories.

jmo [/*]

hi ***** -- the main thing that was new today -- in case you missed it -- is that the Sheriff's office stated in an email to a member of the Web Sleuths board that they are leaning more towards the belief that Nicholas left on his own rather than met up with foul play. They are basing that on statements that they say Christine has made publicly, that Nicholas had a "secret life".

Most of us think that's pretty significant in terms of the investigation -- it also brings up questions regarding possible issues of fraud -- or at least dishonesty, depending on how long there was awareness of this "secret life" and the likelihood that Nicholas left on his own and wasn't "murdered" etc.

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

I did read that, ThrueThe Trees, but I'm not sure it factual. Are you? I question the "fact" that the "Sheriff" sent an e-mail to anyone. jmo [/*]

I've received 2 emails from the Sheriff's office myself, so I don't have any reason to doubt the validity of the email that was shared earlier today on Web Sleuths.

You could certainly contact them yourself and then post any reply that you receive, especially if you find that it contradicts the other one.

The email address is sheriff@kingcounty.gov

LilOsmommy

03-28-2008, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

What county is Vancouver in? You must be kidding? :lol: [/*]

Umm, yeah unless they're talking about Vancover, WA...ya think? I guess you're so keen on baiting and trolling here you don't take the time to do your research.

*now, where's that ignore button?....*

Shelby1

03-28-2008, 07:24 AM

I have a feeling that today is going to be an interesting one.

I have to go read back on yesterday's thread.

sarahhod

03-28-2008, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Shelby1
I have a feeling that today is going to be an interesting one.

I have to go read back on yesterday's thread. [/*]

ITA agree Shelby although im totally confused about the name changes:shrug:

Maybe if Cury is around to explain or expand on this more it would be great or maybe a PM if ya dont wanna publicly say.

TIA

SeattleEddie

03-28-2008, 07:48 AM

My guess is it involves someone related to the wife maiden name. But I haven't found it.

decor

03-28-2008, 09:32 AM

cury-us

you asked why someone would change to the surname, which I took to be the last name.
But I wondered what difference it made if the person was female.

Did you mean literally a female name like "Mary"?

bitsy555

03-28-2008, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Manatoc
And just in case anyone missed the "new" news on Thursday, here's the link:

[/*]

This will mean he is alive!! And that is wonderful news! But it still leaves so many questions of why....

I think within the next few days we will have some news.

imo

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by bitsy555

This will mean he is alive!! And that is wonderful news! But it still leaves so many questions of why....

I think within the next few days we will have some news.

imo [/*]

I hope you're right. Personally, I'd like to see some proof that he is alive and the only word I'll take would be from LE. If and when they close his file and they know he's safe, I'll feel better about it.

Right now, I'm still having a difficult time accepting the latest news as fact. Not that I don't believe LE in what they stated but their source of this information.

Nick, praying you're safe and well. Please contact someone. :rose:

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2008, 09:58 AM

I love posters who talk to themselves :D

Nellie

03-28-2008, 10:03 AM

I'm kinda with you n/t. I'm not convinced by just that letter from the Sheriff. I've always thought it was a possibility that he walked....a BIG one, but this letter does not prove it for me. The wife putting the word out that he had a "secret life" does NOT mean it's true. It could be that she has been reading the boards and got scared that there is so much effort going into writing to the media and other places, that she wants it all to go away and maybe she thinks putting that word out will make everyone go away because they will figure he ran off and it's a private matter.

I just don't know...I'm not convinced. And it doesn't sound like LE has totally closed the case, which I would expect if they totally believed he took off.

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 10:05 AM

She hasn't updated her blog to reflect his "secret life"

Nicholas did not run out on us. I know that even if you all don’t

http://thefranciscos.com/

IF he did have a secret life, he may never return home or contact anyone.

Shelby1

03-28-2008, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
I love posters who talk to themselves :D [/*]

I actually was going to put a person on ignore last night for the first time ever.

I couldn't figure out how to do it :o

n/t

03-28-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm kinda with you n/t. I'm not convinced by just that letter from the Sheriff. I've always thought it was a possibility that he walked....a BIG one, but this letter does not prove it for me. The wife putting the word out that he had a "secret life" does NOT mean it's true. It could be that she has been reading the boards and got scared that there is so much effort going into writing to the media and other places, that she wants it all to go away and maybe she thinks putting that word out will make everyone go away because they will figure he ran off and it's a private matter.

I just don't know...I'm not convinced. And it doesn't sound like LE has totally closed the case, which I would expect if they totally believed he took off. [/*]

Exactly, Nellie. The fact that they haven't closed the case tells me that they're still looking at other possibilities including foul play.

Yes, this latest information may be a piece of the puzzle but there is still a lot of investigative work to do, imo. Until Nicholas calls LE himself, we don't know if he's dead or alive.

bitsy555

03-28-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by n/t

I hope you're right. Personally, I'd like to see some proof that he is alive and the only word I'll take would be from LE. If and when they close his file and they know he's safe, I'll feel better about it.

Right now, I'm still having a difficult time accepting the latest news as fact. Not that I don't believe LE in what they stated but their source of this information.

Nick, praying you're safe and well. Please contact someone. :rose: [/*]

Oh I would like to see some proof too....more than what was presented to us. And I'm concerned also about the sourse of this information. This was just my first thought that this would mean he was alive.

Just hoping and praying Nicholas is alive.

imo

field of snow

03-28-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by EG~Lives

What does Vancouver WASHINGTON have to do with Canada?

:read: [/*]

That is what I was wondering. Thank you! I went to bed with a headache thanks to these posts.

It has been well known that Nick's father lives in Vancouver, Washington, USA and he also lived there once upon a time himself. We've talked about this many times. It doesn't help the conversation when one doesn't first invest in really understanding the details, as well as keeping up with the current conversation. It seems the most trouble on these boards are when someone posts out of context. There is a certain responsibility as a message board poster to pay attention to an extent.

Unless one is baiting of course...

Thank you and good day.

field of snow

03-28-2008, 12:05 PM

One more thing before I tackle my big To Do list for the day...

I don't think R Knowley, who has been a regular member at WS for awhile and not a troll or a "back up name" for a trouble maker who just popped up for the NF case, would make up an email from the Sgt. It would take a really stupid person to libel the police on a message board. It's one thing to think you can get away with faking an email from a private citizen without resources to go after you, but the police? Come on! Most people know it's not difficult to be traced.

Really gone this time! Bye!

MystryPhobia

03-28-2008, 12:44 PM

Here are my problems with the Sheriffs email to the poster on WS.

I am disturbed by the fact that it says that now Christine is stating that Nic had a "secret life" publically. I have not heard or seen anything like that from Christine publically. She has been very adamant that he would not leave her and the children. Perhaps she just couldn't wrap her mind around the fact that he would.. which is understandable.. who of us could think that of our loved one. But.. even if he is leading a "secret life" then why wasn't it stated that the police have learned that he may have had some "secret life"? Why is it stated nonchalantly, in an email to a unknown person, that she is saying it? He did not say that there is "indication" of this and they are looking in to it. They aren't saying that through their investigation that THEY have reason to believe he was doing that. Nothing like that.. just since she is now stating publically that he was leading a "secret life". Almost like.. they aren't investigating it at all.

I would really think that the KCSO is going to have ANOTHER huge problem on their hands IF.. God forbid.. Nicholas is found to be harmed. There are these emails floating around that have them acting fippant about the investigation into a missing person case. They are taking the words of WHO to confirm that Christine has said this publically? Doesn't sound like she is communicating that with them or they would have said so.

I have no problem with them answering emails and whatever but I think that.. coming from the spokesperson for the KCSO.. this could have been handled a little better. I have to wonder what the point is in saying what he said in that email and if they aren't trying to save their own behinds, once again, because they aren't doing their jobs in a missing person case.

K Anne

03-28-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Here are my problems with the Sheriffs email to the poster on WS.

I am disturbed by the fact that it says that now Christine is stating that Nic had a "secret life" publically. I have not heard or seen anything like that from Christine publically. She has been very adamant that he would not leave her and the children. Perhaps she just couldn't wrap her mind around the fact that he would.. which is understandable.. who of us could think that of our loved one. But.. even if he is leading a "secret life" then why wasn't it stated that the police have learned that he may have had some "secret life"? Why is it stated nonchalantly, in an email to a unknown person, that she is saying it? He did not say that there is "indication" of this and they are looking in to it. They aren't saying that through their investigation that THEY have reason to believe he was doing that. Nothing like that.. just since she is now stating publically that he was leading a "secret life". Almost like.. they aren't investigating it at all.

I would really think that the KCSO is going to have ANOTHER huge problem on their hands IF.. God forbid.. Nicholas is found to be harmed. There are these emails floating around that have them acting fippant about the investigation into a missing person case. They are taking the words of WHO to confirm that Christine has said this publically? Doesn't sound like she is communicating that with them or they would have said so.

I have no problem with them answering emails and whatever but I think that.. coming from the spokesperson for the KCSO.. this could have been handled a little better. I have to wonder what the point is in saying what he said in that email and if they aren't trying to save their own behinds, once again, because they aren't doing their jobs in a missing person case. [/*]

Good morning folks, just in here for a second today... If you've ever been involved in something that resulted in a police report, and then obtained a copy of that report, unless it is transcribed from actual audio, the text is never *ever* exactly what was said or what happened. I doubt Sgt. Urquhart or anyone else involved in this is reporting exactly what CF said: they are paraphrasing.

I would say, unless we hear it in interview, straight from horses mouth, "secret life" statement is something someone else misremembers.

Anyone sort out the name change story yet? Would love to hear more about that...

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
She hasn't updated her blog to reflect his "secret life"

Nicholas did not run out on us. I know that even if you all don’t

http://thefranciscos.com/

IF he did have a secret life, he may never return home or contact anyone. [/*]

Well, for some reason, I don't think we'll get that update LOL.

IMO, indications of this "secret life" surfaced around February 24 or 25. That's when searches stopped, blog updates stopped, posters taken down and never replaced, etc. Also, all suggestions of TES were ignored and family and friends just disappeared. Opinions started shifting by the end of February...money for Christine became the focus rather than finding Nicholas.

This clears up some questions...why did everyone give up so soon!!

MystryPhobia

03-28-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Manatoc

Well, for some reason, I don't think we'll get that update LOL.

IMO, indications of this "secret life" surfaced around February 24 or 25. That's when searches stopped, blog updates stopped, posters taken down and never replaced, etc. Also, all suggestions of TES were ignored and family and friends just disappeared. Opinions started shifting by the end of February...money for Christine became the focus rather than finding Nicholas.

This clears up some questions...why did everyone give up so soon!! [/*]

She posted on her blog well after those dates that she didn't believe that he had left them... no matter what everyone else thought.

n/t

03-28-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Good morning folks, just in here for a second today... If you've ever been involved in something that resulted in a police report, and then obtained a copy of that report, unless it is transcribed from actual audio, the text is never *ever* exactly what was said or what happened. I doubt Sgt. Urquhart or anyone else involved in this is reporting exactly what CF said: they are paraphrasing.

I would say, unless we hear it in interview, straight from horses mouth, "secret life" statement is something someone else misremembers.

Anyone sort out the name change story yet? Would love to hear more about that... [/*]

He could've said secret life because he didn't want to give out all the details. That's not paraphrasing in my opinion.

I don't understand your "something someone else misremembers"? What does that mean?

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

She posted on her blog well after those dates that she didn't believe that he had left them... no matter what everyone else thought. [/*]

Of course she did...I think it took her a few weeks to accept the facts. I questioned why she was moving on after 4-5 weeks...she KNEW he wasn't coming back and IMO, has an idea where he is. Alive.

boo

03-28-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Manatoc

Of course she did...I think it took her a few weeks to accept the facts. I questioned why she was moving on after 4-5 weeks...she KNEW he wasn't coming back and IMO, has an idea where he is. Alive. [/*]

I 100% agree, Manatoc.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 02:04 PM

This is Christine's last interview published on March 8:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

"Christine Francisco has gone on searches, prayed and even asked for help on national television, but after 3 ½ weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home."

"There's a point you have to face the facts," Francisco said on Friday."

If, in fact, Nicholas does have a secret life, I understand why she lost hope after 3.5 weeks.

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Manatoc
This is Christine's last interview published on March 8:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

"Christine Francisco has gone on searches, prayed and even asked for help on national television, but after 3 ½ weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home."

"There's a point you have to face the facts," Francisco said on Friday."

If, in fact, Nicholas does have a secret life, I understand why she lost hope after 3.5 weeks. [/*]

While others searching for their loved ones are spending money out of their own pocket, leaving the light on the porch on, leaving their rooms the same, staying in the same house, not changing telephone numbers, etc. she feels she has to move on. That would make sense why, if she did find something out about NF or suspected it when he didn't come home.

bitsy555

03-28-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

While others searching for their loved ones are spending money out of their own pocket, leaving the light on the porch on, leaving their rooms the same, staying in the same house, not changing telephone numbers, etc. she feels she has to move on. That would make sense why, if she did find something out about NF or suspected it when he didn't come home. [/*]

Yes, all of those things some of us were having a hard time understanding make a lot more sense now.....IF this is the case.

Musterion

03-28-2008, 02:49 PM

murdershewrote

03-28-2008, 02:52 PM

that just seems unbelievable...knowing that so many families, many on these missing boards, will go years and not give up hope of finding their loved ones (Jennifer Kesse's family, Holloways, for example). They want to find them, alive or dead.

What if one of her children were missing for a month...would she give up? I doubt it.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Manatoc
This is Christine's last interview published on March 8:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

"Christine Francisco has gone on searches, prayed and even asked for help on national television, but after 3 ½ weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home."

"There's a point you have to face the facts," Francisco said on Friday."

If, in fact, Nicholas does have a secret life, I understand why she lost hope after 3.5 weeks. [/*]

I have always thought she was ready to move on too fast, which indicated to me that she knew he wasn't coming home. As a matter of fact, she never acted like he was coming home from the get-go. So, I've always figured she either knew he was dead or he took off.

The key to that statement to me is "lost hope her husband will come home". Look at the wording. "come home"...NOT "be found". This tells me she knows more.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by EG~Lives

IMO, she knew he left her from day one. [/*]

And that's why all of the fund raising has always bothered me.

bitsy555

03-28-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by EG~Lives

IMO, she knew he left her from day one. [/*]

I think so too. Rewatching that last interview reinforced that.

jmo.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Here is an interview on 13 March.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15589884/index.html [/*]

Interesting...thanks. IMO, she definitely knew something when she gave that interview.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I have always thought she was ready to move on too fast, which indicated to me that she knew he wasn't coming home. As a matter of fact, she never acted like he was coming home from the get-go. So, I've always figured she either knew he was dead or he took off.

The key to that statement to me is "lost hope her husband will come home". Look at the wording. "come home"...NOT "be found". This tells me she knows more. [/*]

Yep, I agree. Watching that last interview with "secret life" as a possibility sure changes ALOT.

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Here is an interview on 13 March.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/15589884/index.html [/*]

Musterion :seeya:

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 03:36 PM

I don't have the exact date, but on or about March 3, Christine posted that the message boards were 30 steps BEHIND the police investigation...did she know something when she posted that?

isitme

03-28-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Manatoc
I don't have the exact date, but on or about March 3, Christine posted that the message boards were 30 steps BEHIND the police investigation...did she know something when she posted that? [/*]

Hmmmm, now that makes sense.

soyesterday

03-28-2008, 05:01 PM

Hey guys
I have to admit i have alot of catching up to do on Nicholas.
I thought the forum was closed lately, so i haven't been checking in.
I just wanted to show you a link to a story that i just found.
It's not related to Nick, but it's interesting....
and just a "see this stuff really happens" kind of thing.....
so maybe it did for Nick....
not sure...
again, i haven't caught up on reading yet so i'm sorry if i'm way out there right now.
K going to catch up now.
Here's the link:

Missing New York Pastor Found Disoriented at Ohio Strip Club
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342870,00.html

murdershewrote

03-28-2008, 05:13 PM

It's posted on another board that from emails with LE, they are saying CF is openly stating her husband had a secret life and that because of those statements they are not taking any action right now as to foul play (not exact quote).

Can't verify to the accuracy but thought I'd pass it along...

If he has a secret life, maybe we should all just leave him and his family alone.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 05:46 PM

jace

03-28-2008, 05:47 PM

I haven't posted on this thread before but I have been following along.

I think it's very possible that he was leading a secret life. It might account for why he decided to leave the church. Maybe his secret life involved something that the church didn't approve of. It would also account for why the church immediately stepped up to help CF. They knew he left and that he wasn't coming back to her.

I have an idea what that life might have been and I'm sure most of you do too but I don't want to post it because I don't want to disrespect NF if it isn't the case.

I just wish if his family knows where he is they would just come right out and say he's okay. So many of us have been worried about him.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
It's posted on another board that from emails with LE, they are saying CF is openly stating her husband had a secret life and that because of those statements they are not taking any action right now as to foul play (not exact quote).

Can't verify to the accuracy but thought I'd pass it along...

If he has a secret life, maybe we should all just leave him and his family alone. [/*]

IF it's true and this is a private matter, I agree.
But I would hope LE would verify this first before closing any investigation.
What if Drew Peterson says Stacy has a "secret life". Does that mean everything should be dropped?
Nicholas needs to come forward if he's alive and put an end to all of this.
Otherwise, there still remains the possibilty that he met with foul play.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by jace
I haven't posted on this thread before but I have been following along.

I think it's very possible that he was leading a secret life. It might account for why he decided to leave the church. Maybe his secret life involved something that the church didn't approve of. It would also account for why the church immediately stepped up to help CF. They knew he left and that he wasn't coming back to her.

I have an idea what that life might have been and I'm sure most of you do too but I don't want to post it because I don't want to disrespect NF if it isn't the case.

I just wish if his family knows where he is they would just come right out and say he's okay. So many of us have been worried about him. [/*]

The theories of him taking off have been posted since day 1...much to the disapproval of other posters and even Christine.
Why is it so easily accepted now? :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The theories of him taking off have been posted since day 1...much to the disapproval of other posters and even Christine.
Why is it so easily accepted now? :shrug: [/*]

Good question - I've always said Nicholas did not have a voice on here and he still doesn't until someone like LE or Nicholas tell us he is safe.

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The theories of him taking off have been posted since day 1...much to the disapproval of other posters and even Christine.
Why is it so easily accepted now? :shrug: [/*]

because if what has been posted about C saying that NF had a secret life...then it all makes sense

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

because if what has been posted about C saying that NF had a secret life...then it all makes sense [/*]

She has also always said he would never leave them. There have been several inconsistencies with what she has said.

Nellie

03-28-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

because if what has been posted about C saying that NF had a secret life...then it all makes sense [/*]

It made sense from the beginning.
But some didn't want to hear it, including Christine.

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

It made sense from the beginning.
But some didn't want to hear it, including Christine. [/*]

you're right Nellie - the beatings we took over even trying to explore the possibility existed

abstr

03-28-2008, 06:16 PM

Could someone PM me about the name change thing? I have tried to figure it out on my own but I am soooo lost. Thank you!

abstr

03-28-2008, 06:18 PM

Can anyone PM me about the name change thing? I am lost!

SeattleEddie

03-28-2008, 06:29 PM

murdershewrote

03-28-2008, 06:29 PM

I have to agree...seems if a woman goes missing that is not as accepted as "voluntary" than if a man does. Even though both have children left at home. Don't know why but seems to be some hypocracy there. I admit I'm guilty of it, I can more readily accept that Stacey was murdered but I'm much more inclined to think NF left of his own accord. Courses in these two cases, there are alot of apples and oranges.

n/t

03-28-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
I have to agree...seems if a woman goes missing that is not as accepted as "voluntary" than if a man does. Even though both have children left at home. Don't know why but seems to be some hypocracy there. I admit I'm guilty of it, I can more readily accept that Stacey was murdered but I'm much more inclined to think NF left of his own accord. Courses in these two cases, there are alot of apples and oranges. [/*]

Mothers are considered the nurturers. I believe that is why it's more frowned upon when a mom leaves her children behind. There's the shock factor. How could she? etc.

JustFacts

03-28-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by field of snow
One more thing before I tackle my big To Do list for the day...

I don't think R Knowley, who has been a regular member at WS for awhile and not a troll or a "back up name" for a trouble maker who just popped up for the NF case, would make up an email from the Sgt. It would take a really stupid person to libel the police on a message board. It's one thing to think you can get away with faking an email from a private citizen without resources to go after you, but the police? Come on! Most people know it's not difficult to be traced.

Really gone this time! Bye! [/*]

I can't find any link to CF saying "publicly" that Nicholas led a secret life. That's news to me. Very unusual case, this one.

jmo

decor

03-28-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by EG~Lives

:lol:

I'm not buying this one either! Of course he was emotional and distraught...they caught him in a STIP CLUB~! [/*]

I thought the same thing!

n/t

03-28-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

It made sense from the beginning.
But some didn't want to hear it, including Christine. [/*]

Exactly. I still wonder why it was such a big no no to mention he left voluntarily when from the very beginning it was the most logical explanation considering no evidence was found pointing towards foul play.

decor

03-28-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Exactly. I still wonder why it was such a big no no to mention he left voluntarily when from the very beginning it was the most logical explanation considering no evidence was found pointing towards foul play. [/*]

do you have kids? it would be the same thing as someone telling you that your child did something outrageous that you know they would never do.

we see parents do this all the time because they cannot face the reality. some might eventually admit their kids did it some never will.

RainyNiteNTx

03-28-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by decor

do you have kids? it would be the same thing as someone telling you that your child did something outrageous that you know they would never do.

we see parents do this all the time because they cannot face the reality. some might eventually admit their kids did it some never will. [/*]

I understand Christine thinking that way, but I think n/t is talking about the people here on the crime board. The possibility could hardly be talked about without people getting upset and getting the board shut down. IMO

Sooner_Fan97

03-28-2008, 08:20 PM

Hey guys, I'm formally Sooner Fan and I never posted much, but had a major hard drive crash this week and I'M trying to replace my LIFE! Neway, my son and DIL live in Quezon City, Phillipines. In an effort to try and speak with them on a common basis, I get daily updates from the city newspaper that anyone can sign up for about the news. My son designs websites, so does his wife. His MIL owns "The Wave Ballroom" and has many contacts. I usually don't post but just felt compelled to today. I talk/type with my DIL every day and I will send her the news links. I know for a fact that it's cheap to live there. I sent them $500.00 for Christmas and my son said "MOM!!!! A PERSON CAN LIVE HERE A YEAR ON THAT" Just hoping I can help.

decor

03-28-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I understand Christine thinking that way, but I think n/t is talking about the people here on the crime board. The possibility could hardly be talked about without people getting upset and getting the board shut down. IMO [/*]

oh. I misunderstood. I see now. :)

HarlettOhara

03-28-2008, 08:33 PM

Some have been wondering... I haven't left, I'm still around :seeya:

n/t

03-28-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Sooner_Fan97
Hey guys, I'm formally Sooner Fan and I never posted much, but had a major hard drive crash this week and I'M trying to replace my LIFE! Neway, my son and DIL live in Quezon City, Phillipines. In an effort to try and speak with them on a common basis, I get daily updates from the city newspaper that anyone can sign up for about the news. My son designs websites, so does his wife. His MIL owns "The Wave Ballroom" and has many contacts. I usually don't post but just felt compelled to today. I talk/type with my DIL every day and I will send her the news links. I know for a fact that it's cheap to live there. I sent them $500.00 for Christmas and my son said "MOM!!!! A PERSON CAN LIVE HERE A YEAR ON THAT" Just hoping I can help. [/*]

Hi and welcome! :seeya:

Thanks for the information. Personally, I don't think he's in the Phillipines. What's the economy like over there? Specifically the job market? Art Directors? Is that a popular career?

Any information would be great.

n/t

03-28-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Some have been wondering... I haven't left, I'm still around :seeya: [/*]

Hey Harlett! I knew you were still around. Any news? :seeya:

HarlettOhara

03-28-2008, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Hey Harlett! I knew you were still around. Any news? :seeya: [/*]

Nothing new that I know of... I heard the phone ringing so I thought I would check in :D

ThruTheTrees

03-28-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Some have been wondering... I haven't left, I'm still around :seeya: [/*]

HI -- I wondered what your take is on the latest development regarding the Sheriff's comment that Christine has publicly stated about Nicholas and a "secret life"? I imagine you have also been in touch with the Sheriff -- is this consistent with what you have been told too?

I saw on your website that you were asking for volunteers a couple days ago for people to put out more posters. Is that effort still under way?

HarlettOhara

03-28-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

HI -- I wondered what your take is on the latest development regarding the Sheriff's comment that Christine has publicly stated about Nicholas and a "secret life"? I imagine you have also been in touch with the Sheriff -- is this consistent with what you have been told too?

I saw on your website that you were asking for volunteers a couple days ago for people to put out more posters. Is that effort still under way? [/*]

As for it being publicly stated, I haven't seen Christine say it on any boards anywhere, but I would think the Sheriff wouldn't make a comment like that unless he was sure of his facts.

Yes, we are still wanting to put fliers up in the Federal Way area, hopefully someone will have seen something and give LE new information on Nicholas.

Sorry it took me a bit to answer your questions, I was on the phone.

n/t

03-28-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

As for it being publicly stated, I haven't seen Christine say it on any boards anywhere, but I would think the Sheriff wouldn't make a comment like that unless he was sure of his facts.

Yes, we are still wanting to put fliers up in the Federal Way area, hopefully someone will have seen something and give LE new information on Nicholas. [/*]

Have you had any offers at all?

I can't believe there aren't any volunteers that can put up a few flyers over there. Sheeeesh. How sad is that?

KKKKKKatie

03-28-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

As for it being publicly stated, I haven't seen Christine say it on any boards anywhere, but I would think the Sheriff wouldn't make a comment like that unless he was sure of his facts.

Yes, we are still wanting to put fliers up in the Federal Way area, hopefully someone will have seen something and give LE new information on Nicholas.

Sorry it took me a bit to answer your questions, I was on the phone. [/*]

I wonder if "publicly stated" could mean that she has said it to close friends or family? Not necessarily posted somewhere or stated in a newscast :shrug:

Musterion

03-28-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Mothers are considered the nurturers. I believe that is why it's more frowned upon when a mom leaves her children behind. There's the shock factor. How could she? etc. [/*]

That is so true, n/t. Really well said.

Sooner_Fan97

03-28-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Hi and welcome! :seeya:

Thanks for the information. Personally, I don't think he's in the Phillipines. What's the economy like over there? Specifically the job market? Art Directors? Is that a popular career?

Any information would be great. [/*]I don't know about the economy. He is still in the early stages of building his business. He has been there 2 years. If you go to The Wave Ballroom in Quezon, he designed that website. From what he tells me $1,500 a month is a pretty good living. *sigh* I have one kid in Phillipines and one in Pa. think they wanted to get away from me??? lol

HarlettOhara

03-28-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Have you had any offers at all?

I can't believe there aren't any volunteers that can put up a few flyers over there. Sheeeesh. How sad is that? [/*]

We have had several people say that they would put them out. It would be a lot easier to get more volunteers if I wasn't on the opposite side of the country.

boo

03-28-2008, 09:07 PM

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Sooner_Fan97
I don't know about the economy. He is still in the early stages of building his business. He has been there 2 years. If you go to The Wave Ballroom in Quezon, he designed that website. From what he tells me $1,500 a month is a pretty good living. *sigh* I have one kid in Phillipines and one in Pa. think they wanted to get away from me??? lol [/*]

LOL. Well if you get lonely, I can send you my kids for a few weeks if you like. :D

I wondered if there was a big demand for that line of work over there. If Nicholas decided to go to the Phillipines with $500.00 in his pocket, he could be living fairly well for a while until he got a job.

I still don't think he's there though. I think he's closer to home than we think.

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

We have had several people say that they would put them out. It would be a lot easier to get more volunteers if I wasn't on the opposite side of the country. [/*]

Have you tried placing an ad in the paper? I'm sure people would respond to that. Or what about contacting his employer and asking them if they can get volunteers to help put flyers up? Does Christine have friends or family that can help out?

Musterion

03-28-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Musterion :seeya: [/*]

Hi Rainy! How are you?!

Secret life doesn't always have to mean something huge. You know, it might have been something unfortunately common. Like porno. That can be shocking for any wife to find (or husband) especially in a strong faith based life. JMO.

Sooner_Fan97

03-28-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by boo

Oh sooner Fan... how sad to be so far from your cubs. [/*]web cam is my friend!!! Going to visit late May...hubby's *-day

Sooner_Fan97

03-28-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by n/t

LOL. Well if you get lonely, I can send you my kids for a few weeks if you like. :D

I wondered if there was a big demand for that line of work over there. If Nicholas decided to go to the Phillipines with $500.00 in his pocket, he could be living fairly well for a while until he got a job.

I still don't think he's there though. I think he's closer to home than we think. [/*]thas ok n/t .....I've dun my time...just us and 3 labs.

HarlettOhara

03-28-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Have you tried placing an ad in the paper? I'm sure people would respond to that. Or what about contacting his employer and asking them if they can get volunteers to help put flyers up? Does Christine have friends or family that can help out? [/*]

We have tried to contact Publicis' several times about helping with some advertising and do not get any answer from them. One of the people that volunteered to help is going to get some others to help them in posting fliers.

Musterion

03-28-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

IF it's true and this is a private matter, I agree.
But I would hope LE would verify this first before closing any investigation.
What if Drew Peterson says Stacy has a "secret life". Does that mean everything should be dropped?
Nicholas needs to come forward if he's alive and put an end to all of this.
Otherwise, there still remains the possibilty that he met with foul play. [/*]

Good thoughts, Nellie.

A public statement by LE could put alot to rest. IMO.

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

We have tried to contact Publicis' several times about helping with some advertising and do not get any answer from them. One of the people that volunteered to help is going to get some others to help them in posting fliers. [/*]

Do you get the feeling that people have just given up? I don't know but that's the sense I'm getting. Maybe some have started to hear what's going on and the latest news has made its rounds and they just don't want to get involved in personal matters.

Just thinking out loud.....

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Good thoughts, Nellie.

A public statement by LE could put alot to rest. IMO. [/*]

I agree.

n/t

03-28-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi Rainy! How are you?!

Secret life doesn't always have to mean something huge. You know, it might have been something unfortunately common. Like porno. That can be shocking for any wife to find (or husband) especially in a strong faith based life. JMO. [/*]

That's why LE needs to come out and tell people what they know, imo.

If it's porn on their home computer or something of that nature, I wouldn't necessarily just give up and say well he took off. Heck, it better be something more concrete than that.

Shelby1

03-28-2008, 09:41 PM

I can see where the statement about Nicholas having a "secret life" would discourage some from continuing to search, but I hope people don't give up.

I will not quit searching until I know that Nicholas is alive and well.

Manatoc

03-28-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

We have tried to contact Publicis' several times about helping with some advertising and do not get any answer from them. One of the people that volunteered to help is going to get some others to help them in posting fliers. [/*]

I can't imagine his employer being very accommodating if he bolted from his job without any notice.

I'm wondering if he's still in the area...hiding and laying low.

Musterion

03-28-2008, 09:54 PM

Shelby1

03-28-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by n/t

That's why LE needs to come out and tell people what they know, imo.

If it's porn on their home computer or something of that nature, I wouldn't necessarily just give up and say well he took off. Heck, it better be something more concrete than that. [/*]

Heck, I would say that a TON of people have porn on their 'puters AND might flirt online--doesn't mean they up and flew the coop on their own.....

IMO

BobbisAngel

03-28-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

you're right Nellie - the beatings we took over even trying to explore the possibility existed [/*]

That wasn't why some people got upset with others. It didn't have a thing to do with whether he took off or something happened to him. I won't spell out the reason because if I do this thread will close faster then you could answer.

ThruTheTrees

03-29-2008, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That would depend on the type of porn found,
wouldnt it?

CT [/*]

There's a lot of money in the kind of business too. Especially the Internet variety. Career change maybe? That would be some secret life for sure...

MoonFlwr

03-29-2008, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Amaryllis
Still no news on poor Nicholas........I hope he just ran off,,,,,,,,,,But I think he is gone forever...........

NICHOLAS WHERE ARE YOU?:( [/*]

Yes, I get the same feeling as you!

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2008, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi Rainy! How are you?!

Secret life doesn't always have to mean something huge. You know, it might have been something unfortunately common. Like porno. That can be shocking for any wife to find (or husband) especially in a strong faith based life. JMO. [/*]

Hi Musterion :) still scratching my head over this one.
My hope is that LE is still looking for Nicholas. Anybody could go missing and their spouse/family say they found out they had a secret life. I would think the possibility of a "secret life" would make them search harder because he could have run into foul play with unknown people or in unknown places.

n/t

03-29-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Hi Musterion :) still scratching my head over this one.
My hope is that LE is still looking for Nicholas. Anybody could go missing and their spouse/family say they found out they had a secret life. I would think the possibility of a "secret life" would make them search harder because he could have run into foul play with unknown people or in unknown places. [/*]

So true Rainy. Secret life doesn't necessarily mean an affair and Nicholas ran off with a lover. Of course, that's the first thing we think of but maybe he had a gambling problem. Who knows. I wish someone from his family or LE would let the public know what it is they found.

Praying you're safe Nicholas. :rose:

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by n/t

So true Rainy. Secret life doesn't necessarily mean an affair and Nicholas ran off with a lover. Of course, that's the first thing we think of but maybe he had a gambling problem. Who knows. I wish someone from his family or LE would let the public know what it is they found.

Praying you're safe Nicholas. :rose: [/*]

Exactly n/t! It could be a host of things that need to be checked out.

n/t

03-29-2008, 09:47 AM

What I'd like to know is where this evidence of a "secret life" came from.

Was it on their home computer? Cell phone? Did LE spot him somewhere? Did someone other than LE see him with someone? Who's to say whoever gave this information to LE is credible? I hope they're checking out their sources.

Still so many questions and until LE states that Nicholas is alive and well, we have to assume he's still missing and may have met with possible foul play.

I continue to pray he's safe and this mess will be straightened out but until then, people should continue to keep their eyes and ears open.

n/t

03-29-2008, 10:01 AM

Also, suicide can't be ruled out either. That's why I think it's important that the information given to LE should be investigated. I would hope they know what they're doing.

Shelby1

03-29-2008, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by n/t
What I'd like to know is where this evidence of a "secret life" came from.

Was it on their home computer? Cell phone? Did LE spot him somewhere? Did someone other than LE see him with someone? Who's to say whoever gave this information to LE is credible? I hope they're checking out their sources.

Still so many questions and until LE states that Nicholas is alive and well, we have to assume he's still missing and may have met with possible foul play.

I continue to pray he's safe and this mess will be straightened out but until then, people should continue to keep their eyes and ears open. [/*]

I hope they are not just going on someone's verbal comments. Hopefully LE had solid proof to back up the "secret life" statement.

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

You're right. IMO

A secret life to a deserted wife might simply mean Nicholas may have been setting aside extra money to leave with......

Maybe gathering new business contacts online or even stealing old ones from his employer......

Perhaps changing all of his passwords and closing sites so his wife could no longer access his things......

It can be done...

I once "went missing" in the same town my dad lived in. I dropped out of sight for a year and he never knew where I was....so it can be done. [/*]

wow - of course I'm absolutely intrigued now. Without going into personal details, would you at least mind sharing how you made it financially? Was someone helping you? I'm trying to relate this to how NF could possibly be doing this.

Nellie

03-29-2008, 12:19 PM

Heck, he could be living right there in those condos with someone else for all we know. So what if they took his car! He'll use hers!
Or maybe she runs all the errands and they go together to get "out" for awhile. It wouldn't surprise me!

Sooner_Fan97

03-29-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Hey sooner it's good to see you again. That is very interesting.
Please have them put the url to Americas Most Wanted, I think that it will garner a lot of attention, to use their name in his search. Maybe they can do print story in the actual papers too that would really help. I sent emails to all the papers last night trying to do something; this would be truly horrible if it turned out to be; just another marriage gone horribly wrong.
Ppl do up and leave their lives. And their famliy and their friends all say the same thing. "they would never do that"
And yet, they do.
CT [/*]Hey CAT TOY, good to you all of you too again. I recovered from my broken arm and had to go back to work so I'm not on as much. I will follow thru on the Phillipines and since my son is in the "business" who knows what will turn up. If you would like to go to his site it is http://www.dcgwebdesign.com/web-development-online-portfolio.html.

Sooner_Fan97

03-29-2008, 12:59 PM

That link didn't work...I'll work on it.sorry

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
Heck, he could be living right there in those condos with someone else for all we know. So what if they took his car! He'll use hers!
Or maybe she runs all the errands and they go together to get "out" for awhile. It wouldn't surprise me! [/*]

Well exactly - I've often wondered if he watched LE tow it away.

Cury-us Coyote

03-29-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Sooner_Fan97
Hey CAT TOY, good to you all of you too again. I recovered from my broken arm and had to go back to work so I'm not on as much. I will follow thru on the Phillipines and since my son is in the "business" who knows what will turn up. If you would like to go to his site it is http://www.dcgwebdesign.com/web-development-online-portfolio.html. [/*]

Is this it?
http://www.dcgwebdesign.com/about-dcgws-internet-solutions.html

Sooner_Fan97

03-29-2008, 01:08 PM

Don't mean to post and run but tons of errands today. I'll be back. Don't anyone get the board closed down this weekend! lol

Sooner_Fan97

03-29-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Is this it?
http://www.dcgwebdesign.com/about-dcgws-internet-solutions.html [/*]Yes, that's it.

Cury-us Coyote

03-29-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Sooner_Fan97
Don't mean to post and run but tons of errands today. I'll be back. Don't anyone get the board closed down this weekend! lol [/*]

Trying not to. Thanks.

Cury-us Coyote

03-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

Thank you. It's helpful to remember this timeline. [/*]

Is WaMu still accepting donations? TIA

Cury-us Coyote

03-29-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I do not know; there are absolutely no updates, anywhere on Nick. I do not understand. Unless of course they all know he left.

I hope everyday that I will log in here and see the words located, or found alive...I check each morning. I think the family really should issue a statement to the public. Are they looking for him; or not?

Great question, about the donations.

CT [/*]

Mary Byrne Smith Returns Home
(includes video)
http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/mary_byrne_smith_returns_home/4153/

Postergeist

03-29-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Mary Byrne Smith Returns Home
(includes video)
http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/mary_byrne_smith_returns_home/4153/

It's always good to know that some are found safe (I just posted an update on a missing woman that it seems was a domestic dispute) ~ I was looking at the doe network and they had cases where people had been missing for as long as 8 years and they were found safe. (might have some gone longer and found alive, but it's a long list)

http://www.nampn.org/locateda_m.html

~Hope for Nicholas

decor

03-29-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I do not know; there are absolutely no updates, anywhere on Nick. I do not understand. Unless of course they all know he left.

I hope everyday that I will log in here and see the words located, or found alive...I check each morning. I think the family really should issue a statement to the public. Are they looking for him; or not?

Great question, about the donations.

CT [/*]

I think we can assume they are still looking for him since Harlett was looking for volunteers to put up posters

Hedda Lettis

03-29-2008, 06:25 PM

Mary Byrne Smith came home because/after she was caught/located. If no one is looking for Nicholas, then, what? Family is waiting to see if he will decide on his own to return?

This situation is a real mess. Very sad about the children.

I have some ideas about it, but I'm not exactly pc, so I just read. :no:

Cury-us Coyote

03-29-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

It's always good to know that some are found safe (I just posted an update on a missing woman that it seems was a domestic dispute) ~ I was looking at the doe network and they had cases where people had been missing for as long as 8 years and they were found safe. (might have some gone longer and found alive, but it's a long list)

http://www.nampn.org/locateda_m.html

~Hope for Nicholas [/*]

Amateurs solve mysteries of the unnamed dead
Volunteers use modern technology to put names to unidentified bodies
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23858151

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

She has also always said he would never leave them. There have been several inconsistencies with what she has said. [/*]

Just a thought but maybe that is why cops put "secret life" out there in cyberspace? Maybe she's telling cops that and then saying just the opposite in interviews.

I don't know how or where Nicholas found the time to have a secret life. We know he had a full-time job, a couple more businesses on the 'net and baked cookies with his kids. I'm having a hard time believing he managed a secret life on top of all that.

jmo

JustFacts

03-29-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

You're right. IMO

A secret life to a deserted wife might simply mean Nicholas may have been setting aside extra money to leave with......

Maybe gathering new business contacts online or even stealing old ones from his employer......

Perhaps changing all of his passwords and closing sites so his wife could no longer access his things......

It can be done...

I once "went missing" in the same town my dad lived in. I dropped out of sight for a year and he never knew where I was....so it can be done. [/*]

He can't "steal" clients from his employer. They would be under retainer agreements. If he was doing things such as setting aside money, there still would be a transaction trail. And there would be a trail to changing passwords and closing sites. The thing is, LE needs a subpoena to get at all of that stuff and analyzing it takes time. I think that's why things are so quiet right now.

JMO

MoonFlwr

03-29-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Mary Byrne Smith Returns Home
(includes video)
http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/mary_byrne_smith_returns_home/4153/ [/*]

Thanks for the link, Cury-us! :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-29-2008, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

:D

Not so intriguing I assure you.

This was before I realized my parents 'knew' what they were talking about. I was very young and sure I knew it all. lol

I shared an apartment with someone and got a job waiting tables and serving drinks in a club to make ends meet..A year later I went home. See? Dullsville...

IMHO Nicholas realized/thought he was too young for fatherhood and a wife.

Not an excuse, but maybe a reason.

IMO he just started making plans, hoarding cash and lined himself up some work. Then walked.

If that IS what happened, I hope he comes back and at least supports his children.

Some men never do return. Time will tell. [/*]

But you did "go missing" with relative ease - I guess it is done quite often and succesfully at times. ::sigh::

n/t

03-29-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

I think we can assume they are still looking for him since Harlett was looking for volunteers to put up posters [/*]

His family is? That's not the impression I got. Harlett is still looking for volunteers to put up posters. Read back. She said she would get more if she wasn't on the opposite side of the country. His family, IIRC, is right there in Washington and Oregon. Why aren't they putting up posters or planning searches? I wonder. Kinda sad if you ask me.

HarlettOhara
Member

Registered: Dec 2006
Location: looking for the missing
Posts: 912

quote:
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Originally posted by n/t

Have you had any offers at all?

I can't believe there aren't any volunteers that can put up a few flyers over there. Sheeeesh. How sad is that? [/*]
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We have had several people say that they would put them out. It would be a lot easier to get more volunteers if I wasn't on the opposite side of the country.

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by sadiemay62

No updates, because there is nothing "new" to update anyone about?? Just a thought. :rolleyes:

jmo [/*]

:rose: Waiting for a Big Miracle for Nicholas

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

:rose: Waiting for a Big Miracle for Nicholas [/*]

Hopefully Harlett will let us know how the search/putting up posters went this week-end.

n/t

03-30-2008, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Hopefully Harlett will let us know how the search/putting up posters went this week-end. [/*]

Nick's wife posted <paraphrasing> that she doesn't know if he's alive or not and that she will never stop searching.

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/christine-were-thinking-of-you-and-your-family/#respond

I wonder if she took part in the search this weekend and also if his family helped out.

I guess her statement confirms that Nick is still missing. To me, it sounds like she has no clue where he is or if he's even alive.

What does this all mean? Did she find evidence of a "secret life" or not? If so, there must be some clue as to where he may be. I hope LE is checking out those clues.

Nicholas, continued prayers for your safety. Please call someone. :rose:

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 09:39 AM

If you read through the Amber Alerts & Missing People threads on this board, you will see where it is common place for people to lean heavily on the SO. Has their home computer been searched - has the home been searched? Normal questions asked on every case except this one. :confused:

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 09:42 AM

Well I certainly hope if Harlett is going to all the trouble of arranging a search and putting up flyers that Nick's family, including Christine helped out.

desmom

03-30-2008, 09:47 AM

Any ideas what Whipmaster is talking about http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/update-nicholas-franciscos-car-has-been-found/#comments

The comment was posted at March 30, 2008 at 5:40 am.

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by desmom
Any ideas what Whipmaster is talking about http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/update-nicholas-franciscos-car-has-been-found/#comments

The comment was posted at March 30, 2008 at 5:40 am. [/*]

Have we ever known the hours NF worked? Was it 8 - 5, 9 - 6, 10 -7?

Was he leaving early that day or was he leaving late?

Does Publicis have staggered work hours?

n/t

03-30-2008, 10:21 AM

What time does Costco and Safeway close on Wednesdays?

n/t

03-30-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by n/t
What time does Costco and Safeway close on Wednesdays? [/*]

Just checked Costco in Tukwila and it closes at 8:30 pm from Monday - Friday.

So that can't be part of the clue.

http://www.priceviewer.com/costco_locations/6-Washington.html

AMS

03-30-2008, 10:35 AM

Christine updated the Mars Hill blog last night stating that she does not know if NF is alive or not.

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

Post #45

n/t

03-30-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Isn't Wednesday the 12th not the 13th? [/*]

Valentine's Day was on the Thursday the 14th, so Wednesday would've been the 13th.

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Sorry, I was on wrong calendar. You're too fast for me. :seeya: [/*]

No problem. It happens. :)

desmom

03-30-2008, 11:13 AM

What happens on Wednesday nights?

Many moons ago when I tended bar part time, Wednesdays were always busy. Fast forward many moons, and church fellowship is big on Wednesday evenings.

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by n/t

No problem. It happens. :) [/*]

Mars Hill Youth
Meets at the Eastside Campus Wednesday Nights at 7:00 PM. Open for 5th-12th graders........ http://rss.marshillchurch.org/eastsidecampus

What else happens every Wednesday? TIA

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:16 AM

Without knowing what Nicholas work schedule was like, it would be hard to understand what that poster meant.

Was there anything else going on that day or evening? I know early on it was mentioned that there was a baseball game, I believe.

Any other activities? Was there a party maybe at one of his hang outs?

*sigh* I wish we knew more. :(

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Without knowing what Nicholas work schedule was like, it would be hard to understand what that poster meant.

Was there anything else going on that day or evening? I know early on it was mentioned that there was a baseball game, I believe.

Any other activities? Was there a party maybe at one of his hang outs?

*sigh* I wish we knew more. :( [/*]

IIRC the baseball game was a pre-season game in Arizona.
jmo

ETA maybe a company or church league.

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Mars Hill Youth
Meets at the Eastside Campus Wednesday Nights at 7:00 PM. Open for 5th-12th graders........ http://rss.marshillchurch.org/eastsidecampus

What else happens every Wednesday? TIA [/*]

I don't think it would have to do with MHC related activities like bible studies or whatever considering he resigned 2 days before.:shrug:

Is there like a happy hour on Wednesday at 6? Just thowing that out there. He may have gone for drinks and something happened.

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

IIRC the baseball game was a pre-season game in Arizona.
jmo [/*]

Oh. LOL. So why was it mentioned? I can't remember. :o

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:24 AM

Good grief. Why don't these people just say what they mean when they post things like that instead of leaving clues.hammer

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Oh. LOL. So why was it mentioned? I can't remember. :o [/*]

IIRC due to the stadium location - traffic and other routes home or to stores was under consideration.
jmo

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:30 AM

Is it too late to check flights out of Seattle Airport on the 13th. online?

Maybe I'll do that. See if there were any flights around 7 or so. :read:

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Good grief. Why don't these people just say what they mean when they post things like that instead of leaving clues.hammer [/*]

Who selects the nic Whipmaster? Maybe the boss or teamleader or lion tamer, or fill-in-the-blank.
jmo

KKKKKKatie

03-30-2008, 11:34 AM

Maybe Wed. night was a work late night and that is what the poster meant? 6pm was an unusual time to leave on a Wed?

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Who selects the nic Whipmaster? Maybe the boss or teamleader or lion tamer, or fill-in the blank.
jmo [/*]

I thought the same thing, Cury and posted it on another board. The name sounds creepy. :eek:

n/t

03-30-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
Maybe Wed. night was a work late night and that is what the poster meant? 6pm was an unusual time to leave on a Wed? [/*]

I think it's the opposite Katie. Maybe it was too late to leave. Remember Christine said he was going to make cookies with his daughter. Maybe he was supposed to leave at 5 and ended up leaving later for whatever reason???

I want to know more about that coworker who left with him. Was it a female or male?

KKKKKKatie

03-30-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by n/t

I think it's the opposite Katie. Maybe it was too late to leave. Remember Christine said he was going to make cookies with his daughter. Maybe he was supposed to leave at 5 and ended up leaving later for whatever reason???

I want to know more about that coworker who left with him. Was it a female or male? [/*]

Maybe Wed are 1/2 days there??? Or maybe someone is just stirring the pot :cuss:

I wish ppl would just say what they mean!!

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

Maybe Wed are 1/2 days there??? Or maybe someone is just stirring the pot :cuss:

I wish ppl would just say what they mean!! [/*]

Thats what I wondered - did Publicis have some type of staggered hours where they worked later on some days and got half a day off during the week? Or is "Whipmaster" yanking our chain?

KKKKKKatie

03-30-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thats what I wondered - did Publicis have some type of staggered hours where they worked later on some days and got half a day off during the week? Or is "Whipmaster" yanking our chain? [/*]

the way he/she worded it leads me to believe that 6 is an unusual time.

"left at 6 on A Wed."

Early or late...wish we knew

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by n/t
Is it too late to check flights out of Seattle Airport on the 13th. online?

Maybe I'll do that. See if there were any flights around 7 or so. :read: [/*]

In 1983 (25 years ago) during a marital separation, apparently an attempt to garnish wages from Golden Rule Travel occurred.
See Kitsap Superior Court Records case number 83-9-00642-0.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&casenumber=83-9-00642-0&searchtype=sNumber&crt_itl_nu=S18&cc=GAR&fd=1983-05-06&token=3AB0EF4A1491820F

Does someone continue employment in the same field for two decades? Does the same Golden Rule Travel still exist? A speciality travel agency with the same name is based in Ohio - no connection implied.
http://goldenruletravel.com/

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 12:34 PM

Golden Rule began in 1985 as a part time hobby around our kitchen table and has since grown to 4 locations and 18 full time employees. Our Christian travel agents are our most valuable asset!

http://goldenruletravel.com/about_us.asp

Hedda Lettis

03-30-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

In 1983 (25 years ago) during a marital separation, apparently an attempt to garnish wages from Golden Rule Travel occurred.
See Kitsap Superior Court Records case number 83-9-00642-0.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&casenumber=83-9-00642-0&searchtype=sNumber&crt_itl_nu=S18&cc=GAR&fd=1983-05-06&token=3AB0EF4A1491820F

Does someone continue employment in the same field for two decades? Does the same Golden Rule Travel still exist? A speciality travel agency with the same name is based in Ohio - no connection implied.
http://goldenruletravel.com/ [/*]

Court date 1983? According to RainyNite's link, GRT didn't start til 1985.

http://goldenruletravel.com/about_us.asp

How'd they work that? :confused: :confused:

Cury-us Coyote

03-30-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis

Court date 1983? According to RainyNite's link, GRT didn't start til 1985.

http://goldenruletravel.com/about_us.asp

How'd they work that? :confused: :confused: [/*]

IMO, no apparent connection between the two (Tacoma? & Ohio) unusually named Travel Agencies. Just putting it out there for others to suffer along.
jmo

Hedda Lettis

03-30-2008, 01:17 PM

< sigh >

:o

AMS

03-30-2008, 01:39 PM

A number of people have posted and asked Whipmaster what he/she meant.

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/update-nicholas-franciscos-car-has-been-found/#comments

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis
< sigh >

:o [/*]

LOL the old misery loves company :tongue:

Hedda Lettis

03-30-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

LOL the old misery loves company :tongue: [/*]

:D Sometimes I think ole curry just baits traps and waits for someone to bite!

It's pathetic that we are all so eager for news .....

RainyNite, do you think that a marriage can get to the point that one partner takes off for parts unknown, leaving everyone and everything, without a sign of trouble brewing that would at least cause a thought to pass through the other partner's mind? No trouble at home? Not a clue before the event?

RainyNiteNTx

03-30-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis

:D Sometimes I think ole curry just baits traps and waits for someone to bite!

It's pathetic that we are all so eager for news .....

RainyNite, do you think that a marriage can get to the point that one partner takes off for parts unknown, leaving everyone and everything, without a sign of trouble brewing that would at least cause a thought to pass through the other partner's mind? No trouble at home? Not a clue before the event? [/*]

No I don't, but I don't think the people involved in the situation realize things are as they are when it is happening. I think looking back people can see signs of trouble or different habits, but when it is happening, I think we justify, turn a blind eye and make excuses. Life is busy and hectic with work, kids, car problems, holidays, taxes, etc., so we tend to tune out possibly important changes in someone's attitude.

need2no

03-30-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

No I don't, but I don't think the people involved in the situation realize things are as they are when it is happening. I think looking back people can see signs of trouble or different habits, but when it is happening, I think we justify, turn a blind eye and make excuses. Life is busy and hectic with work, kids, car problems, holidays, taxes, etc., so we tend to tune out possibly important changes in someone's attitude. [/*]

Sometimes people see clues, they just chose to ignore them because it's easier to do so..kinda like sticking your head in the sand.

I recall my NOW X brother in law saying he just thought my sister was angry and hormonal at times and she would get over it. He never thought she truly meant it when she repeatedly said " I think our time together has come to a close." She meant it.