Discuss the Maria Lauterbach case, Part 2

[crymeariver2006]

Okay, continue on....

[GentleBreeze]

I am bring sexxy post and mine over.


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Originally posted by sexxytazz


The thing that keeps throwing me off that theory is Marys statement about the "heated discussion" she had with Maria about the adoption. I keep going back to Maria having a change of heart about giving the baby up, which in turn started the whole chain of events. [/*]
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I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo [/*]


Being adopted myself, I can understand what Maria may have been feeling.

I agree she may have been "going along" with the adoption suggestion to not rock the boat, while she was deciding what she needed to do. I firmly believe the adoption plan was more the families suggestion than Marias wish. Having a seperate casket for Gabriel pretty much confirmed to me the family felt he was not a treasured member of the family, but something to be dealt with. But that is just a personal feeling for me and others may not feel the same way.

But, I also feel the adoption plan was something she may have had with CL and went along with it until Dec. She finally gathered the courage to tell them all she was keeping the baby and, like was posted on the other thread, CL seen child support payments going out for the next 18+ years. And *IF* they had recieved any money for the adoption, for living expenses, that would have needed to have been paid back as well.

[crymeariver2006]

I'm bringing over my last post too. IMO, Anne's baby was very relevant to Maria's thought process.


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Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo [/*]
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Add to that Anne's (her younger sister) having a baby in March '07 when she was still in high school. IMO, Maria already knew what the reaction from the parents was going to be.[/*]

[crymeariver2006]

Geez, we can't even bold anymore on account of the second letter of the alphabet?

:shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Geez, we can't even bold anymore on account of the second letter of the alphabet?

:shrug: [/*]

Psst, just change the size...

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Psst, just change the size... [/*]

;)

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
I'm bringing over my last post too. IMO, Anne's baby was very relevant to Maria's thought process.


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Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo [/*]
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Add to that Anne's (her younger sister) having a baby in March '07 when she was still in high school. IMO, Maria already knew what the reaction from the parents was going to be.[/*] [/*]

That is a good point, and one I had not thought of. Do we know what the reaction was?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


That is a good point, and one I had not thought of. Do we know what the reaction was? [/*]

Okay, looking at the myspace pics, it would appear the pics stopped after about one month of age. Then you have Annie with a motorcycle. I don't think she would be riding a bike with a new baby. The title of the myspace reads something like "I love him so".

Mrs. Renner thought Anne was going to keep the baby, but it was shortly after that the story about ex-bf and adoption surfaced in the conversations with Maria according to Mrs. Renner.

I would say judging by Maria's obit and no more pics on Anne's site, he is gone from their family. JMO tho. :( If he was still with the Lauterbach family, I truly believe he would have been listed as a surviving relative. AGAIN, JMO.

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Okay, looking at the myspace pics, it would appear the pics stopped after about one month of age. Then you have Annie with a motorcycle. I don't think she would be riding a bike with a new baby. The title of the myspace reads something like "I love him so".

Mrs. Renner thought Anne was going to keep the baby, but it was shortly after that the story about ex-bf and adoption surfaced in the conversations with Maria according to Mrs. Renner.

I would say judging by Maria's obit and no more pics on Anne's site, he is gone from their family. JMO tho. :( If he was still with the Lauterbach family, I truly believe he would have been listed as a surviving relative. AGAIN, JMO. [/*]

:(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by old_lady


NO we don't. If Annie gave her baby up it would have been her decision. It would have been for a better life for her child. I just don't see the family as a controlling bunch of people.

JMO [/*]

If you don't see anyone controlling anything here, then what was the meaning of the stern conversation with Maria about having to give her baby up? :confused:

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by old_lady



I guess I don't see the conversation as "stern" and that Maria "had to give the baby up".

Suggestions and guidance is more what I see. How could the mother order her to give a baby up? Maria was an adult after all. There was no reason to have to follow her mother's suggestions. She was out on her own taking care of herself.

This is a family, not a cult.

JMO [/*]

:beer:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by old_lady



I guess I don't see the conversation as "stern" and that Maria "had to give the baby up".

Suggestions and guidance is more what I see. How could the mother order her to give a baby up? Maria was an adult after all. There was no reason to have to follow her mother's suggestions. She was out on her own taking care of herself.

This is a family, not a cult.

JMO [/*]

IIRC Mary herself used that word. :shrug:

I don't think cult activity is required for a mother to have a controlling hand in things myself.

I also don't see an adult having to call home several times a day even before the rape allegations when they are in the military. I think Maria was trying hard to please her mother and live a little at the same time and it all got to be too much for her when she found out she was pregnant.

I have speculated on why I believe the rape allegations came about and nothing new has come to light, so I will stand on Mary and Peter's early thoughts about Maria and possibly being bipolar as being probable and it could very well be at the root of the rape allegations.

None of us know and I think we're all caught up in theorizing and fitting the puzzle pieces in as we know them.


JMO tho. :patriot:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


IIRC Mary herself used that word. :shrug:

I don't think cult activity is required for a mother to have a controlling hand in things myself.

I also don't see an adult having to call home several times a day even before the rape allegations when they are in the military. I think Maria was trying hard to please her mother and live a little at the same time and it all got to be too much for her when she found out she was pregnant.

I have speculated on why I believe the rape allegations came about and nothing new has come to light, so I will stand on Mary and Peter's early thoughts about Maria and possibly being bipolar as being probable and it could very well be at the root of the rape allegations.

None of us know and I think we're all caught up in theorizing and fitting the puzzle pieces in as we know them.

JMO tho. :patriot: [/*]
I agree with you post CK.

I personally think Maria was not equipped emotionally, or mature enough to take on raising a child on her own, and her mother knew it.

I think Maria had hoped for a life with Cesar and keeping her child toward the end, but prior had agreed with her mother and uncle about adoption.

I have always thought, and have posted before that I think Mary and Uncle Peter were coming out not for a family visit, but rather to make sure the adoption paperwork was in order.

My Opinion/View

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
I am bring sexxy post and mine over.


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Originally posted by sexxytazz


The thing that keeps throwing me off that theory is Marys statement about the "heated discussion" she had with Maria about the adoption. I keep going back to Maria having a change of heart about giving the baby up, which in turn started the whole chain of events. [/*]
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I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo [/*]

Or, it could have gone the opposite way.

We adopted our youngest daughter, who is 13 now, at birth. We were in the room when she was born and I got to know her birth mother very well. She had been adopted at birth and so the decision for her had been not between raising the child or making an adoption placement, but between an abortion and an adoption placement. And she knew, she says, instantly, that she would choose an adoption placement as well as choose the family. And she did.

So I don't think that ML being adopted herself is a negative thing as in "I would never do that to my child," but a positive thing, as in "I would want the same for my child."

That being said, I have no idea if ML had planned on an adoption placement, as there seems to be nothing available to us at this time, to make that kind of assumption.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I agree with you post CK.

I personally think Maria was not equipped emotionally, or mature enough to take on raising a child on her own, and her mother knew it.

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My Opinion/View [/*]

ITA

Especially if, as her mother believed, the child was a product of rape.

But, certainly, given the fact that she had no partner, was not settled down, was so young, and had been troubled (as per her mother) all her life, she certainly was not equipped emotionally or in terms of maturity--or even financially--to raise a child.

That is all IMO too.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Okay, looking at the myspace pics, it would appear the pics stopped after about one month of age. Then you have Annie with a motorcycle. I don't think she would be riding a bike with a new baby. The title of the myspace reads something like "I love him so".

Mrs. Renner thought Anne was going to keep the baby, but it was shortly after that the story about ex-bf and adoption surfaced in the conversations with Maria according to Mrs. Renner.

I would say judging by Maria's obit and no more pics on Anne's site, he is gone from their family. JMO tho. :( If he was still with the Lauterbach family, I truly believe he would have been listed as a surviving relative. AGAIN, JMO. [/*]

VERY interesting, CK. Very interesting.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by daniel green


Or, it could have gone the opposite way.

We adopted our youngest daughter, who is 13 now, at birth. We were in the room when she was born and I got to know her birth mother very well. She had been adopted at birth and so the decision for her had been not between raising the child or making an adoption placement, but between an abortion and an adoption placement. And she knew, she says, instantly, that she would choose an adoption placement as well as choose the family. And she did.

So I don't think that ML being adopted herself is a negative thing as in "I would never do that to my child," but a positive thing, as in "I would want the same for my child."

That being said, I have no idea if ML had planned on an adoption placement, as there seems to be nothing available to us at this time, to make that kind of assumption. [/*]

I think every adoption is different and where one adopted child may feel totally secure another one may not and struggle with it. From what Mary said Maria had struggled for several years and was a loner somewhat. Maybe she felt she just did not fit in and felt it had a lot to do with her being adopted into the family.

So imo something was lacking in Maria's life. I do believe she loved Mary and her family but may have felt she had to only act according to what she knew they would accept.

Maria did not look through the eyes of Mary and I think giving Gabriel away for adoption just was unacceptable for her to do.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


That is a good point, and one I had not thought of. Do we know what the reaction was? [/*]

No we don't. However when the family is described as "deeply religious" and "devout Catholic" and you have not one, but both unmarried daughters being pregnant within a year of each other, you can pretty much do the math.

IMO only.

ETA and the two caskets bothered me tremendously. I had forgotten about it until old lady brought it up. But IMMHO, that spoke volumes about what the "family's" intentions were toward this child.

Again, JMO.

[henry]

Originally posted by daniel green


Or, it could have gone the opposite way.

We adopted our youngest daughter, who is 13 now, at birth. We were in the room when she was born and I got to know her birth mother very well. She had been adopted at birth and so the decision for her had been not between raising the child or making an adoption placement, but between an abortion and an adoption placement. And she knew, she says, instantly, that she would choose an adoption placement as well as choose the family. And she did.

So I don't think that ML being adopted herself is a negative thing as in "I would never do that to my child," but a positive thing, as in "I would want the same for my child."

That being said, I have no idea if ML had planned on an adoption placement, as there seems to be nothing available to us at this time, to make that kind of assumption. [/*]

clap hands . . . clap hands . . . and perhaps annie's baby is being raised and/or adopted by relatives . . . jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I agree with you post CK.

I personally think Maria was not equipped emotionally, or mature enough to take on raising a child on her own, and her mother knew it.

I think Maria had hoped for a life with Cesar and keeping her child toward the end, but prior had agreed with her mother and uncle about adoption.

I have always thought, and have posted before that I think Mary and Uncle Peter were coming out not for a family visit, but rather to make sure the adoption paperwork was in order.

My Opinion/View [/*]

Yes you did Ivy, and I can remember telling you then that I hadn't thought about it much, but your theory seemed to be a strong possibility. I believe if Maria was calling her mother several times a day, there was some planning going on and just perhaps Mary and Peter were going to handle that part thus her impending visit.

Then if the date we have of February was a true due date and Maria had admitted to the USMC the baby would not be a product of rape on November 5th, well that would add tremendous stress for Maria and perhaps fuel the need to get away.

ALL JMOO. :(

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by daniel green


ITA

Especially if, as her mother believed, the child was a product of rape.

But, certainly, given the fact that she had no partner, was not settled down, was so young, and had been troubled (as per her mother) all her life, she certainly was not equipped emotionally or in terms of maturity--or even financially--to raise a child.

That is all IMO too. [/*]

I would have to agree with that Daniel, and from having experience dealing with children who are adopted within the family, I can tell you I have yet to see the harmonious fit we see when they are adopted from outside the family.

I used to follow the adoption thread in OC and it was very revealing about how adoptees felt and it seemed with the adoptees who came from within the family, it was a struggle.

It may be brought on by the adoptee themselves feeling they don't measure up or that they think they have to go the extra mile and fear being judged and compared to the other biological children IMO. I simply know those situations seemed to have turmoil and trauma.

I know you are a loving parent and were eager to have your children, but we can't forget some inter-family adoptions take place for very different reasons and it shows up later in a most painful manner. I married into that situation and the differences were very obvious and the pain felt is still present after all these years at times.

JMO based on life experience and nothing more. :seeya:

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think every adoption is different and where one adopted child may feel totally secure another one may not and struggle with it. From what Mary said Maria had struggled for several years and was a loner somewhat. Maybe she felt she just did not fit in and felt it had a lot to do with her being adopted into the family.

So imo something was lacking in Maria's life. I do believe she loved Mary and her family but may have felt she had to only act according to what she knew they would accept.

Maria did not look through the eyes of Mary and I think giving Gabriel away for adoption just was unacceptable for her to do.

imoo [/*]

Like Maria I was adopted from within the family. My bio father was my adopted mothers brother. So my bio Aunt and Uncle became Mom and dad while my bio parents became Aunt and Uncle.
Because we do not know Marias bio family, I am not sure how much of my story comes into play with my theory, but here goes.
My bio parents had 7 children. I was the forth one born and the only one placed up for adoption. I had an "sister" 10 months older than me and a "brother" 7 months younger which is why I was placed for adoption (could not handle three kids so close in age or so I have always been told)
However when I was younger, I always believed that something "must" be wrong with me, why else would they keep the rest and not me? This lead to a very lonely life as I never felt like I belonged anywhere. Never made friends because I felt they would never stick around because something was wrong with me, so why bother. This was something inside of me and could not change, to this day I still have these feelings from time to time and find it difficult to have friendships and relationships outside my children and husband.
My children were the only thing that ever made these feelings lessen. So I can understand why Maria may have felt so strongly about keeping the baby. For some adopted children, they bring back the feeling of true family. And I had wonderful adoptive parents who loved and supported me, but it could not change what I felt on the inside.
I had my first child @19, but I can tell you I relied on my adopted moms advice. I was worried someday she may not want me anymore and many times I did as she asked, even though I may not agree with her just out of that fear. Now, she never asked me to give my child up for adoption but I could see myself telling her I would, just to keep her close out of the irrational fear that she would leave me if I didn't. I could also see my mom getting upset with me if I suddenly told her I changed my mind. Simply by talking to me about it, I would have felt I had disappointed her and been afraid she was going to desert me. At that age, I would have left and went away to have my baby. To me it would have been easier to leave than it would be to disappoint my mom and face her possibly "leaving me".

Now I do not know if Maria and Mary had the same relationship I had with my mom, nor do I claim to know Marias thoughts. But I wanted to share what my thought process would have been if I had been in Marias shoes. Just some food for thought.

[Mimi428]

Very early on, just after Maria's body was found in Cesar's back yard, a CNN broadcast made a reference to the possibility that Maria felt that she (& maybe Anne) were not treated the same as the biological children. I really can't find much more about it, other than it shows up in a transcript - here...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/12/cnr.07.html

HARRIS: Jennifer, we're learning more about Maria as well. She was adopted.

LADD: Yes. I'm sorry?

HARRIS: She was adopted.

LADD: Yes, she was adopted.

HARRIS: And this is a story where you're getting some details I know, Jennifer, where there was a history of some issues, perhaps related to that adoption, and how she felt about her family, related to her position in the family vis-a-vis the other children.

LADD: Yes, sir. Well, I talked to one of Maria's friends from when she was a young child. His name is Sean Gardner. He was talking about the fact that Maria may have felt at certain times that she wasn't exactly -- as an adopted child she wasn't treated necessarily the same as maybe a biological child. And she also had apparently a lot of emotional issues. A lot of trouble in her life.

In fact, Gardner said that when she joined the Marine Corps he hoped that it would give her a little discipline in her life, which she may really have needed. So, you know, with the different emotional issues, things that were going on, it's possible that if she was told she should give up the baby that that was a very difficult decision for her, since she was in fact adopted and maybe had problems with that herself.

That is all I can specifically find about it & I do take into account that Gardner may have made those remarks BEFORE it became obvious that Maria did not, in fact, take off & leave but was murdered.

I don't claim to know how either of the Lauterbach parents raised the children. I have known adoptees who always felt on the outside, who struggled with persistent doubts about their worth, etc. Much the same as stepchildren whose bio parent & step-parent have a child together - the child(ren) who are half-siblings to the bio child believe that person is treated better than they are.

OTOH, I have seen parents be fair & even-handed to all the children. IOW, the doubts in the mind of the person who feels slighted seem not to be based on any real or intended slight, but on perceived slights.

Since Maria & Anne are blood-related to Mary Lauterbach, I do wonder how much they ever heard about their bio parents AFTER they were adopted. I think it fairly unlikely that they never heard one bit of news or updates about how their bio mom & dad were - whether their problems continued, got worse, got better, etc.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Mimi428
Very early on, just after Maria's body was found in Cesar's back yard, a CNN broadcast made a reference to the possibility that Maria felt that she (& maybe Anne) were not treated the same as the biological children. I really can't find much more about it, other than it shows up in a transcript - here...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/12/cnr.07.html

HARRIS: Jennifer, we're learning more about Maria as well. She was adopted.

LADD: Yes. I'm sorry?

HARRIS: She was adopted.

LADD: Yes, she was adopted.

HARRIS: And this is a story where you're getting some details I know, Jennifer, where there was a history of some issues, perhaps related to that adoption, and how she felt about her family, related to her position in the family vis-a-vis the other children.

LADD: Yes, sir. Well, I talked to one of Maria's friends from when she was a young child. His name is Sean Gardner. He was talking about the fact that Maria may have felt at certain times that she wasn't exactly -- as an adopted child she wasn't treated necessarily the same as maybe a biological child. And she also had apparently a lot of emotional issues. A lot of trouble in her life.

In fact, Gardner said that when she joined the Marine Corps he hoped that it would give her a little discipline in her life, which she may really have needed. So, you know, with the different emotional issues, things that were going on, it's possible that if she was told she should give up the baby that that was a very difficult decision for her, since she was in fact adopted and maybe had problems with that herself.

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JMO [/*]

Now that you mention it, I remember something addressing how she felt as a member of the family during her growing years too.

But, I don't understand why what Gardner said might change. Could you explain? :confused:

If you asked outsiders about my in-laws they would tell you they were the pillars of the church and what a wonderful thing they did adopting so the child could stay in the family.

With regard to whether children are told about their biological parents in those situations,sometimes they are told when they make the same mistakes the biological parent did, and then some families choose to have open communication. I perceive those opting for open communication are the families who adopted with love in their hearts and not guilt or being put in a difficult situation of being the only couple who could afford it or had the resources IMOO.

I feel after listening to Mary and Peter talk about Maria's early years and the subsequent attempt to gloss over them thinking she was bipolar and the move to attachment disorder, I don't have much to say in favor of them adopting the girls. Yes, it was a kind and giving gesture. But, it seems that if there is a negative aspect, they want to go back to 19 months of age and I can't go there if you have a solid family foundation in all those years afterward. JMO tho and nothing more. :shrug:

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Now that you mention it, I remember something addressing how she felt as a member of the family during her growing years too.

But, I don't understand why what Gardner said might change. Could you explain? :confused:
[/*]

I just can't think of any particularly good reason Gardner would have remarked about Maria feeling she had not being treated as fairly as the bio children had he been thinking at that same time that she was facing danger - as in murder.

No reason to bring up that subject when you are fearing that the person who disappeared could be in danger. Not saying he didn't know that info, just that it would not have been remotely relevant to remark about that subject IF he thought her disappearance meant she may have been a crime victim.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


See, now I saw that 2nd casket as something differently entirely, I saw it as family affirmation that Gabriel did exist.
Had Gabriel been buried inside her, it woud have erupted into convo about how they wanted to hid the :"shame of the pregnancy" and some such rot..:rolleyes: [/*]

I guess it is all to do with individual perception, Annie. I had assumed (I know) that since Maria and Gabriel died as one they would be buried together. I saw the two caskets as a separation from mother and child. IMO even Gabriel's casket was not right along side of his mother's.

One of the most heartbreaking funerals I have attended was a young woman and her little 2 year old son. They were killed by a drunk driver. They both rested together in one casket and they had the adult casket spray draped in the middle for her and a small casket spray for him closer to the end where their heads' lay.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


Like Maria I was adopted from within the family. My bio father was my adopted mothers brother. So my bio Aunt and Uncle became Mom and dad while my bio parents became Aunt and Uncle.
Because we do not know Marias bio family, I am not sure how much of my story comes into play with my theory, but here goes.
My bio parents had 7 children. I was the forth one born and the only one placed up for adoption. I had an "sister" 10 months older than me and a "brother" 7 months younger which is why I was placed for adoption (could not handle three kids so close in age or so I have always been told)
However when I was younger, I always believed that something "must" be wrong with me, why else would they keep the rest and not me? This lead to a very lonely life as I never felt like I belonged anywhere. Never made friends because I felt they would never stick around because something was wrong with me, so why bother. This was something inside of me and could not change, to this day I still have these feelings from time to time and find it difficult to have friendships and relationships outside my children and husband.
My children were the only thing that ever made these feelings lessen. So I can understand why Maria may have felt so strongly about keeping the baby. For some adopted children, they bring back the feeling of true family. And I had wonderful adoptive parents who loved and supported me, but it could not change what I felt on the inside.
I had my first child @19, but I can tell you I relied on my adopted moms advice. I was worried someday she may not want me anymore and many times I did as she asked, even though I may not agree with her just out of that fear. Now, she never asked me to give my child up for adoption but I could see myself telling her I would, just to keep her close out of the irrational fear that she would leave me if I didn't. I could also see my mom getting upset with me if I suddenly told her I changed my mind. Simply by talking to me about it, I would have felt I had disappointed her and been afraid she was going to desert me. At that age, I would have left and went away to have my baby. To me it would have been easier to leave than it would be to disappoint my mom and face her possibly "leaving me".

Now I do not know if Maria and Mary had the same relationship I had with my mom, nor do I claim to know Marias thoughts. But I wanted to share what my thought process would have been if I had been in Marias shoes. Just some food for thought. [/*]

Thank you so much Sexxy for sharing your very poignant story.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


See, now I saw that 2nd casket as something differently entirely, I saw it as famnily affirmation that gabriel did exist.
Had Gabriel been buried inside her, it woud have erupted into convo about how they wanted to hid the :"shame of the pregnancy" and some such rot..:rolleyes: [/*]
The other day when I received an update, in the article it said "The fetus was buried with Lauterbach."

To someone who didn't know different they would think they had been buried in the same casket, but maybe that's just my take on how it was worded :shrug:
http://tinyurl.com/2xcza5:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


See, now I saw that 2nd casket as something differently entirely, I saw it as famnily affirmation that gabriel did exist.
Had Gabriel been buried inside her, it woud have erupted into convo about how they wanted to hid the :"shame of the pregnancy" and some such rot..:rolleyes: [/*]

I saw it as you saw it, Annie.

[baywench]

I'm not sure I will be able to express this correctly but here goes...I feel Maria was almost in denial (at least emotionally) regarding the baby and just beginning to realize she was going to have to do something. IMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I saw it as you saw it, Annie. [/*]

What an absolutely horrible decision to have to make. A child that is as far as you knew the child of rape. Now the child of your daughter's killer, but yet still your daughter's baby. Awful.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


What an absolutely horrible decision to have to make. A child that is as far as you knew the child of rape. Now the child of your daughter's killer, but yet still your daughter's baby. Awful. [/*]

I agree... whatever her family decided is fine with me.

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree... whatever her family decided is fine with me. [/*]

ITA and I am so glad I never have had to make such a decision.

[baywench]

Where did everyone go? Hello....Hello.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench
Where did everyone go? Hello....Hello. [/*]

I'm here... I do get upset, though, when folks question the Lauterbach decision to have two caskets. I thought it was a wonderful, life-affirming decision for baby Gabriel.

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by baywench
Where did everyone go? Hello....Hello. [/*]
:D I'm here, may be the only one. I'm doing stuff around the house and didn't hear post pop up, sorry bay.

oops, just saw gp ansered you

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I'm here... I do get upset, though, when folks question the Lauterbach decision to have two caskets. I thought it was a wonderful, life-affirming decision for baby Gabriel.

JMO [/*]

Well GP, I'm working. How come we are the only ones that apparently don't have a life?

[baywench]

Originally posted by IvySterling

:D I'm here, may be the only one. I'm doing stuff around the house and didn't hear post pop up, sorry bay. [/*]

Oh Thank Goodness, I get very bored with my own company!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by baywench


Oh Thank Goodness, I get very bored with my own company! [/*]
Wish I could come up with an article about something in this case we haven't read but nothing...........always nothing on the weekends :mad:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


Well GP, I'm working. How come we are the only ones that apparently don't have a life? [/*]

lol... I dunno. I am having a very relaxed day doing basically nothing. I think because it is a holiday weekend that people are probably off doing things.

I thought mw5 brought up an interesting point last night about child support being possibly the motive for ML's murder. I had not really considered that, I guess.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I'm here... I do get upset, though, when folks question the Lauterbach decision to have two caskets. I thought it was a wonderful, life-affirming decision for baby Gabriel.

JMO [/*]

I feel the same as you but heck if we get upset over others' opinions, well there's not much left.

Personally I get upset because people can't seem to grasp the shock value of what CL told CSL and expected her to walk out THAT second and run to LE. But hey that's my opinion, my take on it, and I can understand other people's opinions as well. Plus, I know I'm in the great minority on that.

Seems the casket thing has been running 50-50 as far as what people think.

There's no way in the world I can see it as distancing themselves from a "child of rape" or however some see it. As you state so eloquently, it seems to me more of a life-affirming decision.

But hey...different strokes.......

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I feel the same as you but heck if we get upset over others' opinions, well there's not much left.

Personally I get upset because people can't seem to grasp the shock value of what CL told CSL and expected her to walk out THAT second and run to LE. But hey that's my opinion, my take on it, and I can understand other people's opinions as well. Plus, I know I'm in the great minority on that.

Seems the casket thing has been running 50-50 as far as what people think.

There's no way in the world I can see it as distancing themselves from a "child of rape" or however some see it. As you state so eloquently, it seems to me more of a life-affirming decision.

But hey...different strokes....... [/*]

I try to be tolerant of other people's opinions, but I guess the casket issue just really gets to me. I feel like screaming let this family rest in peace!

Okay, I will shut up about that now. And yes, I am sure what CL told CSL was a total shock if she had no clue what was going on. And you have been very consistent in your support of her as long as no charges are leveled against her.

JMO

[caejde]

Hey everyone! Sorry I haven't been around much yesterday or today. We went to dinner last night and did our Easter egg hunt today. Probably wont' be around too much tomorrow either. But I'll try to check in. I haven't even caught up with yesterday's posts yet but I guess nothing new is happening.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by caejde
Hey everyone! Sorry I haven't been around much yesterday or today. We went to dinner last night and did our Easter egg hunt today. Probably wont' be around too much tomorrow either. But I'll try to check in. I haven't even caught up with yesterday's posts yet but I guess nothing new is happening. [/*]
Hey back caejde.

Only a few in here today, no new news.

Have a good weekend and enjoy yourself!

[caejde]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Hey back caejde.

Only a few in here today, no new news.

Have a good weekend and enjoy yourself! [/*]

I've always heard "no news is good news"....wonder if this applies here?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by caejde


I've always heard "no news is good news"....wonder if this applies here? [/*]

Hi Caejde - hope so!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by caejde
Hey everyone! Sorry I haven't been around much yesterday or today. We went to dinner last night and did our Easter egg hunt today. Probably wont' be around too much tomorrow either. But I'll try to check in. I haven't even caught up with yesterday's posts yet but I guess nothing new is happening. [/*]

:seeya: Have a blessed Easter!

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench


What an absolutely horrible decision to have to make. A child that is as far as you knew the child of rape. Now the child of your daughter's killer, but yet still your daughter's baby. Awful. [/*]

i was going to respond to your post on page 2 and say i think they have a big heart, but couldn't paraphrase your post . . . so i went back & got it . . .

edit: & gpeas . . . yes, let maria's family rest . . . and let cesar's family come out of hiding

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry


i was going to respond to your post on page 2 and say i think they have a big heart, but couldn't paraphrase your post . . . so i went back & got it . . .

edit: & gpeas . . . yes, let maria's family rest . . . and let cesar's family come out of hiding [/*]

Hi Henry :seeya:

I wonder if they are still watching CSL's mail. IIRC, the early letters from CL to her were intercepted by LE, right?

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol... I dunno. I am having a very relaxed day doing basically nothing. I think because it is a holiday weekend that people are probably off doing things.

I thought mw5 brought up an interesting point last night about child support being possibly the motive for ML's murder. I had not really considered that, I guess. [/*]

I had considered it yes because as you know my views ad nauseum by now I can't get why he killed her if he did not rape her to fit my scenario. I know that the military does take adultery and fraternizing with an inferior officer very seriously. Child support is unfortunately why some men kill. IMO

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Hi Henry :seeya:

I wonder if they are still watching CSL's mail. IIRC, the early letters from CL to her were intercepted by LE, right? [/*]

they better . . . cause that's when i think cesar will slip . . . when he thinks the heat is off . . . i'd like to know if cesar's parents came to NC for the holidays . . . and what they were told by cesar & xtina . . . now wouldn't that add to the confusion!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


I had considered it yes because as you know my views ad nauseum by now I can't get why he killed her if he did not rape her to fit my scenario. I know that the military does take adultery and fraternizing with an inferior officer very seriously. Child support is unfortunately why some men kill. IMO [/*]

Yeah... I know some do kill over child support, but IMO that was not the reason. But who knows?

I mean... loss of some pay and some child support... surely that is better than being a fugitive the rest of your life - or behind bars for life!

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry


they better . . . cause that's when i think cesar will slip . . . when he thinks the heat is off . . . i'd like to know if cesar's parents came to NC for the holidays . . . and what they were told by cesar & xtina . . . now wouldn't that add to the confusion! [/*]

yep...

maybe CL will try to send his daughter something for Easter. I doubt it, but I can always hope...

[baywench]

Originally posted by henry


i was going to respond to your post on page 2 and say i think they have a big heart, but couldn't paraphrase your post . . . so i went back & got it . . .

edit: & gpeas . . . yes, let maria's family rest . . . and let cesar's family come out of hiding [/*]

The unfortunate circumstances of his conception, whichever theory you bellieve, IMO never gave anyone the chance to embrace him as a real being. As a grandmother I know each time I thought of them as babies right away, in the womb, we talked about them and anticipated them and bought things for them. In this case it was so different. IMo

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench


I had considered it yes because as you know my views ad nauseum by now I can't get why he killed her if he did not rape her to fit my scenario. I know that the military does take adultery and fraternizing with an inferior officer very seriously. Child support is unfortunately why some men kill. IMO [/*]

I think it's because he knew that child was his regarless of when the baby was born. NCIS could've dropped the case when the Naval Hospital issued a mid Feb due date due to no proof of any sexual misconduct in Mar and Apr. I believe they were waiting for the Feb birth so that they could still nail CAL w/ whatever they could find due to his words of no sex. IMO I think they had a physical encounter in May right before she reported the rape.

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Yeah... I know some do kill over child support, but IMO that was not the reason. But who knows?

I mean... loss of some pay and some child support... surely that is better than being a fugitive the rest of your life - or behind bars for life!

JMO [/*]

That's what I thought with the Bobby Cutts case, and he killed the mother of both his children. Why don't think about this before it's too late? These men do not see them as human, as babies. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Posted this last night.... [/*]

lol, I saw that. I still watch for CL every day at lunch...

[gaelicpeas]

Nelkirk, btw, I thought that was a great "story" you told about CL's escape. You should put it in the theory thread (once it re-opens).

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by baywench


That's what I thought with the Bobby Cutts case, and he killed the mother of both his children. Why don't think about this before it's too late? These men do not see them as human, as babies. IMO [/*]

I just don't see it. Bobby Cutts had a very good salary so his child support would have been much greater.

From the information put up on child support for military personnel Laurean would only have to pay about 1/5 of his monthly income which would be low.

IMOO I don't think the actual murder had anything to do with Gabriel per se.....but the entire situation that had been simmering right under the surface for months may have. I dont think he gave Gabriel one thought if he did this. To me it was directed toward Maria.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by caejde
Hey everyone! Sorry I haven't been around much yesterday or today. We went to dinner last night and did our Easter egg hunt today. Probably wont' be around too much tomorrow either. But I'll try to check in. I haven't even caught up with yesterday's posts yet but I guess nothing new is happening. [/*]

I went on an Easter egg hunt today and found one of the prize eggs and my son and daughter in law made me put it back.:( :D

imo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I went on an Easter egg hunt today and found one of the prize eggs and my son and daughter in law made me put it back.:( :D

imo [/*]
Aww, what would the prize have been if they would have let you keep it?

[strick10]

I'm off to bed. If I don't catch y'all tomorrow.....have a wonderful Easter Sunday.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I just don't see it. Bobby Cutts had a very good salary so his child support would have been much greater.

From the information put up on child support for military personnel Laurean would only have to pay about 1/5 of his monthly income which would be low.

IMOO I don't think the actual murder had anything to do with Gabriel per se.....but the entire situation that had been simmering right under the surface for months may have. I dont think he gave Gabriel one thought if he did this. To me it was directed toward Maria.

imoo [/*]

ITA, GB. Gosh there is a lot we agree on and a lot we disagree on in this case! Isn't that funny? Such a strange case. I was thinking about that the other night....hardly any posters agree/disagree on everything. Some posters I agree about "X" fact; others I agree about "Y" fact, and some of the posters I agree about "X" fact, I disagree about "Y" fact. I think this doesn't happen so often in other cases! Verrrrrrrrrry weird!

Hope your daughter is still improving, GB. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and your whole family. Have a blessed Easter.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm off to bed. If I don't catch y'all tomorrow.....have a wonderful Easter Sunday. [/*]


:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10
I'm off to bed. If I don't catch y'all tomorrow.....have a wonderful Easter Sunday. [/*]
Bed??? Holy Mole strick.

You have a nice Easter also.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Aww, what would the prize have been if they would have let you keep it? [/*]

$10.00:tongue:

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I went on an Easter egg hunt today and found one of the prize eggs and my son and daughter in law made me put it back.:( :D

imo [/*]

Oh now that's just wrong:cuss:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Bed??? Holy Mole strick.

You have a nice Easter also. [/*]

lol, Ivy... well, it is a little later over here....

(is it even dark there yet?)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


ITA, GB. Gosh there is a lot we agree on and a lot we disagree on in this case! Isn't that funny? Such a strange case. I was thinking about that the other night....hardly any posters agree/disagree on everything. Some posters I agree about "X" fact; others I agree about "Y" fact, and some of the posters I agree about "X" fact, I disagree about "Y" fact. I think this doesn't happen so often in other cases! Verrrrrrrrrry weird!

Hope your daughter is still improving, GB. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and your whole family. Have a blessed Easter. [/*]

I agree, Savannah.... I just hope it will all make a little more sense once we see the evidence (if we ever do :eek: ).

[gaelicpeas]

So.. what does everyone think? Will the DA never release the evidence if CL is not found?

That just gives me angina to think about ....

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


ITA, GB. Gosh there is a lot we agree on and a lot we disagree on in this case! Isn't that funny? Such a strange case. I was thinking about that the other night....hardly any posters agree/disagree on everything. Some posters I agree about "X" fact; others I agree about "Y" fact, and some of the posters I agree about "X" fact, I disagree about "Y" fact. I think this doesn't happen so often in other cases! Verrrrrrrrrry weird!

Hope your daughter is still improving, GB. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and your whole family. Have a blessed Easter. [/*]

Thank you Savannah. Yes she is feeling much better. They let her come home from the hospital yesterday and she is walking on crutches. They reopened the wounds and are letting them drain and that has helped the swelling and infection. We just talked with her and she sounds a lot better.

You have a blessed day tomorrow too. We are going to my mother in law's for another big Easter egg hunt and scrumptious lunch.;)

I agree. This case has been unique imo. So many things the same posters agree on and then do not agree on other facets of the case. But I like hearing all sides, interpretations and theories........it immensely improves the dialog when all feel they can express their own opinions without fearing repercussions.

imoo :seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol, Ivy... well, it is a little later over here....

(is it even dark there yet?) [/*]
But even three hours it would only be 9:00 p.m........just saying :D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
So.. what does everyone think? Will the DA never release the evidence if CL is not found?

That just gives me angina to think about .... [/*]
Dunno gp, just dunno :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you Savannah. Yes she is feeling much better. They let her come home from the hospital yesterday and she is walking on crutches. They reopened the wounds and are letting them drain and that has helped the swelling and infection. We just talked with her and she sounds a lot better.

You have a blessed day tomorrow too. We are going to my mother in law's for another big Easter egg hunt and scrumptious lunch.;)

I agree. This case has been unique imo. So many things the same posters agree on and then do not agree on other facets of the case. But I like hearing all sides, interpretations and theories........it immensely improves the dialog when all feel they can express their own opinions without fearing repercussions.

imoo :stolen seeya: [/*]

So good to hear a positive report on your DD! Now listen up Grandma, the egg hunt is off limits for you tomorrow! :tongue:

I hope everyone has a blessed day tomorrow and maybe there will be some news on a capture if possible. It's time for Cesar to come home and face his demons and tell his side of the story.

JMO.:patriot:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by baywench


Oh now that's just wrong:cuss: [/*]

I know.......meanies.

If I would have found the one with $25.00 in it .......they would have had to catch me to get it away from me. LMAO! J/K

I know they wanted the kids to find it not the "kids" at heart.

We were all laughing so hard about it. lol I did it just to pick at our son and d-i-l.:tongue:

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


So good to hear a positive report on your DD! Now listen up Grandma, the egg hunt is off limits for you tomorrow! :tongue:

I hope everyone has a blessed day tomorrow and maybe there will be some news on a capture if possible. It's time for Cesar to come home and face his demons and tell his side of the story.

JMO.:patriot: [/*]

Yes ma'am (Ocean hanging head in shame)

I hope that all here and their families have a wonderful blessed day tomorrow.

I agree.........like SB said "Corporal Laurean come back and tell us your story."

And it will happen I believe when we least expect it.

Happy Easter Candy!

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you Savannah. Yes she is feeling much better. They let her come home from the hospital yesterday and she is walking on crutches. They reopened the wounds and are letting them drain and that has helped the swelling and infection. We just talked with her and she sounds a lot better.

You have a blessed day tomorrow too. We are going to my mother in law's for another big Easter egg hunt and scrumptious lunch.;)

I agree. This case has been unique imo. So many things the same posters agree on and then do not agree on other facets of the case. But I like hearing all sides, interpretations and theories........it immensely improves the dialog when all feel they can express their own opinions without fearing repercussions.

imoo :seeya: [/*]

Glad to hear your daughter is doing better, Gentle. Lots of folks on this board have been worried about her.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Dunno gp, just dunno :shrug: [/*]

Well, I hope he releases a few things... I will go nuts if we are still debating the same stuff in 10 years!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
So.. what does everyone think? Will the DA never release the evidence if CL is not found?

That just gives me angina to think about .... [/*]

Sadly gp, it will be like any case that becomes cold. We didn't learn all the evidence until James Sullivan was finally brought to trial 19 years after he paid to have his wife murdered.

The evidence will remain unknown and the case in stalemate until and if there is a trial.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Well, I hope he releases a few things... I will go nuts if we are still debating the same stuff in 10 years! [/*]
I know, we just may be. I'm waiting for them to catch the killing perv out West here in Reno.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Sadly gp, it will be like any case that becomes cold. We didn't learn all the evidence until James Sullivan was finally brought to trial 19 years after he paid to have his wife murdered.

The evidence will remain unknown and the case in stalemate until and if there is a trial.

imoo [/*]

oh lordy... I don't know if I can take that!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I know, we just may be. I'm waiting for them to catch the killing perv out West here in Reno. [/*]

On one hand, I think there is a good chance he is out there somewhere in Nevada... or southern Cali.

On the other hand, I think he may be in NC somewhere.

And on my third hand (:D ), I think he is right here in New Jersey.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Glad to hear your daughter is doing better, Gentle. Lots of folks on this board have been worried about her. [/*]

Thank you and yes I have told her about the many wonderful caring people here. She said to tell all of you...... thank you very much and she does know that the power of thought and prayer does work.

I am so relieved to see her doing better....it has been a very tough time for her.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


On one hand, I think there is a good chance he is out there somewhere in Nevada... or southern Cali.

On the other hand, I think he may be in NC somewhere.

And on my third hand (:D ), I think he is right here in New Jersey. [/*]
No, I meant in the Brianna Denison case in Reno.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

No, I meant in the Brianna Denison case in Reno. [/*]

oh, that wacko. yes, I hope they catch that guy soon.

Anyway, I don't have a fourth hand for Mexico. But with what Captain Sutherland has been saying, I just get the feeling they think he is in the US somewhere.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


oh, that wacko. yes, I hope they catch that guy soon.

Anyway, I don't have a fourth hand for Mexico. But with what Captain Sutherland has been saying, I just get the feeling they think he is in the US somewhere. [/*]

I have never believed he was in Mexico. I DO think he left bread crumbs so that it would look like that is where he is but it is still strange that the only sighting of him just happened to be none other than his own family.:cool:

I think that is why he dropped the hints to his comrades knowing they would tell LE that.

I think it was all a ruse. No telling where he is and the world is as SB would say "earth-wide"

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never believed he was in Mexico. I DO think he left bread crumbs so that it would look like that is where he is but it is still strange that the only sighting of him just happened to be none other than his own family.:cool:

I think that is why he dropped the hints to his comrades knowing they would tell LE that.

I think it was all a ruse. No telling where he is and the world is as SB would say "earth-wide"

imoo [/*]

I agree... two different family members have seen him. No one else has. Makes no sense to me...

It is very frustrating that this guy managed to escape. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree... two different family members have seen him. No one else has. Makes no sense to me...

It is very frustrating that this guy managed to escape. JMO [/*]

(quoting myself) Although I do think Captain Sutherland's recent comments are encouraging.

[gaelicpeas]

This is one reason why I have a difficult time posting a theory. So many of my theories are laced with screw-ups by LE, NCIS, etc... and I don't want to p*ss them off!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never believed he was in Mexico. I DO think he left bread crumbs so that it would look like that is where he is but it is still strange that the only sighting of him just happened to be none other than his own family.:cool:

I think that is why he dropped the hints to his comrades knowing they would tell LE that.

I think it was all a ruse. No telling where he is and the world is as SB would say "earth-wide"

imoo [/*]
Unless someone supports him he'll have to work somewhere. I think someone who befriends him will be the one to give him up!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Unless someone supports him he'll have to work somewhere. I think someone who befriends him will be the one to give him up! [/*]

I don't really know what will happen. It would be according to what the people believe I would think. If they believe his spill then I think they will continue to protect him. It also could make a difference if the people that are protecting him like Americans or not.

So many just go away even with manhunts and aren't found for years and when found everyone around them had no clue they had done anything wrong or that the police was looking for them.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


(quoting myself) Although I do think Captain Sutherland's recent comments are encouraging. [/*]

I think he was successful because he had put much thought into his plan on leaving. I don't think he was staying around for the Article 32 or to see if there was a court martial. I think he was like Maria and felt his days in the Corps and his label of "stellar" was most likely down the tubes.

So he had months to fine tune the escape and when this happened he immediately initiated his plan once the notes were written........he was ready to go.

Like "Never let your enemy know your game plan"

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think he was successful because he had put much thought into his plan on leaving. I don't think he was staying around for the Article 32 or to see if there was a court martial. I think he was like Maria and felt his days in the Corps and his label of "stellar" was most likely down the tubes.

So he had months to fine tune the escape and when this happened he immediately initiated his plan once the notes were written........he was ready to go.

Like "Never let your enemy know your game plan"

imoo [/*]

I agree that his escape was well-planned.

Of course, I think all of it was planned.. but I know others disagree.

[daniel green]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


No we don't. However when the family is described as "deeply religious" and "devout Catholic" and you have not one, but both unmarried daughters being pregnant within a year of each other, you can pretty much do the math.

IMO only.

ETA and the two caskets bothered me tremendously. I had forgotten about it until old lady brought it up. But IMMHO, that spoke volumes about what the "family's" intentions were toward this child.

Again, JMO. [/*]

Yes. The two casket thing bothered me a whole lote. And I do agree with you that it said everything you needed to know about the "family's" intentions.

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have never believed he was in Mexico. I DO think he left bread crumbs so that it would look like that is where he is but it is still strange that the only sighting of him just happened to be none other than his own family.:cool:

I think that is why he dropped the hints to his comrades knowing they would tell LE that.

I think it was all a ruse. No telling where he is and the world is as SB would say "earth-wide"

imoo [/*]
ITA GB...it's so pat, so perfect, the perfect trail but no one sees him that he doesn't want to (bus driver, family) way to convenient. JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think he was successful because he had put much thought into his plan on leaving. I don't think he was staying around for the Article 32 or to see if there was a court martial. I think he was like Maria and felt his days in the Corps and his label of "stellar" was most likely down the tubes.

So he had months to fine tune the escape and when this happened he immediately initiated his plan once the notes were written........he was ready to go.

Like "Never let your enemy know your game plan"

imoo [/*]

I can see him planning to run away but I don't see the murder as planned. Looks VERY much like a passion killing. JMO

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


oh lordy... I don't know if I can take that! [/*]

I had a vision of us ten years older, still posting (albeit with stiffer fingers) crankier, snarkier and more set in our ways but still keeping the flame alive!!

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
This is one reason why I have a difficult time posting a theory. So many of my theories are laced with screw-ups by LE, NCIS, etc... and I don't want to p*ss them off! [/*]

Come on GP, you have to quit being so shy and demure....just let them know what you really think!:cool:

[daniel green]

Originally posted by baywench
I'm not sure I will be able to express this correctly but here goes...I feel Maria was almost in denial (at least emotionally) regarding the baby and just beginning to realize she was going to have to do something. IMO [/*]

I think that hits it right on the head.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


Come on GP, you have to quit being so shy and demure....just let them know what you really think!:cool: [/*]

lol.. me shy and demure? I must be doing a good job covering my true nature :D

:cool:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


I had a vision of us ten years older, still posting (albeit with stiffer fingers) crankier, snarkier and more set in our ways but still keeping the flame alive!! [/*]

lol.. and I imagine we will still be fighting the same battles... the same posters that keep getting banned will keep reappearing... the thread will still be getting closed at least every few days..

:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


I think that hits it right on the head. [/*]

Hey good to see ya. I'm back on Tuesday. Happy Easter everyone.

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol.. and I imagine we will still be fighting the same battles... the same posters that keep getting banned will keep reappearing... the thread will still be getting closed at least every few days..

:D [/*]

Probably so....we are a stubborn bunch. Though I must admit after being banned I've learned the ropes better about what will draw CW ire. I bite my tongue alot, and PMing is a saving grace for venting!

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol.. me shy and demure? I must be doing a good job covering my true nature :D

:cool: [/*]

You do! REally! You're such a shrinking violet LOL

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


Probably so....we are a stubborn bunch. Though I must admit after being banned I've learned the ropes better about what will draw CW ire. I bite my tongue alot, and PMing is a saving grace for venting! [/*]

I had to sit in the corner once for half of a day, but I think I got grouped in with the "wrong bunch" :D

There are some obvious no-no's... don't attack a poster personally. Say something in your post that is on-topic. Don't post private information about people, etc, etc.

Anyway.. if we are still here in 10 years, hopefully I will have all my theories about this case nicely written out! I am still trying to get something in to the theory thread before Henry and Nuttin's deadline on Monday.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by baywench


I can see him planning to run away but I don't see the murder as planned. Looks VERY much like a passion killing. JMO [/*]

Exactly, bay. He had already put much thought in what he would do if he decided to leave so therefore it was much more succinct.

The murder however was totally unplanned filled with nothing but disorganization and chaos.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


You do! REally! You're such a shrinking violet LOL [/*]

lol at me being a shrinking violet.. I am so not that!

Hinman had an interesting thought the other day - that maybe somebody set ML up to go to CL's. Basically made a call about her car for sale which sent her over there. Now everybody went into an uproar because they all thought ML knew his address.

But maybe the staged call sent her elsewhere - and they nabbed her there?

Just a thought...

[baywench]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Exactly, bay. He had already put much thought in what he would do if he decided to leave so therefore it was much more succinct.

The murder however was totally unplanned filled with nothing but disorganization and chaos.

imoo [/*]

Good point GB I have never thought about the escape being planned seperate from the murder. WHat a coward either way...unless he's in the rug.:tongue:

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol at me being a shrinking violet.. I am so not that!

Hinman had an interesting thought the other day - that maybe somebody set ML up to go to CL's. Basically made a call about her car for sale which sent her over there. Now everybody went into an uproar because they all thought ML knew his address.

But maybe the staged call sent her elsewhere - and they nabbed her there?

Just a thought... [/*]

but what about the note? Unless you think they are seperate?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
So.. what does everyone think? Will the DA never release the evidence if CL is not found?

That just gives me angina to think about .... [/*]

I really don't see him revealing it if there no trial.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


but what about the note? Unless you think they are seperate? [/*]

Whose note? ML or CL's?

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol at me being a shrinking violet.. I am so not that!

Hinman had an interesting thought the other day - that maybe somebody set ML up to go to CL's. Basically made a call about her car for sale which sent her over there. Now everybody went into an uproar because they all thought ML knew his address.

But maybe the staged call sent her elsewhere - and they nabbed her there?

Just a thought... [/*]

Trust me GP I KNOW you are not a shrinking violet !

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by daniel green


I really don't see him revealing it if there no trial. [/*]

Even in 10 or 20 years?

[daniel green]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thank you Savannah. Yes she is feeling much better. They let her come home from the hospital yesterday and she is walking on crutches. They reopened the wounds and are letting them drain and that has helped the swelling and infection. We just talked with her and she sounds a lot better.
snipped: [/*]

This is great news, GB! Glad to hear this.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


Trust me GP I KNOW you are not a shrinking violet ! [/*]

:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Whose note? ML or CL's? [/*]

MLs

[daniel green]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Even in 10 or 20 years? [/*]

I don't think so.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


MLs [/*]

well.. if we go with Hinman's idea, then all of it was "forced"... ML was forced to write the note, forced to withdraw money, forced to buy the ticket, etc, etc

(I know you live near me - do you know me???? :D )

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


well.. if we go with Hinman's idea, then all of it was "forced"... ML was forced to write the note, forced to withdraw money, forced to buy the ticket, etc, etc

(I know you live near me - do you know me???? :D ) [/*]


No LOL but we had one hell of a knock down/drag out when this board first started. Don't you remember?

[baywench]

Originally posted by daniel green


I don't think so. [/*]

I agree DG, there would no reason and always the possiblity that he would be caught and they wouldn't want to compromise the case. JMO


/edited beccause I am too tired to type

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench



No LOL but we had one hell of a knock down/drag out when this board first started. Don't you remember? [/*]

lol, no... I am not really into carrying grudges... :D

(what were we debating?)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by old_lady
Good Morning and Happy Easter everyone!:seeya: [/*]

Happy Easter to you as well, old lady. I will be going to church soon and BBL!

:seeya:

[Regina.Lampert]

ÿHappy Easter Everyone!ÿ

[gaelicpeas]

Guess everybody's out hunting eggs... hope somebody is hunting for CL.

[donna]

Just popping in to wish everyone and their families a nice, safe, and peaceful Easter!

:rose:

[caejde]

Happy Easter everyone! Just wanted to pop in and say 'hello'.

[CANDYKISSES]

Happy Easter everyone!

For Maria and Gabriel.:rose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rRea9qnjK4&feature=related

[txfemale45]

I have not posted on this thread.. and I have not read all the things being discussed...

1. I think the wife should be in a jail cell she either helped after the murder or she is the one that hit her first.

2. Maria had a order of protection and she would not have went to their house..

3. I can't believe the mother did not want her and her baby in the same casket.

4. I think she was killed because the DNA after the baby was born would prove he is the father and he would have to pay child support and it would prove she was raped by him.

sorry I have trouble seeing and can't see my dictionary and since I am retired I can't type or spell....

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by txfemale45
I have not posted on this thread.. and I have not read all the things being discussed...

1. I think the wife should be in a jail cell she either helped after the murder or she is the one that hit her first.

2. Maria had a order of protection and she would not have went to their house..

3. I can't believe the mother did not want her and her baby in the same casket.

4. I think she was killed because the DNA after the baby was born would prove he is the father and he would have to pay child support and it would prove she was raped by him.

sorry I have trouble seeing and can't see my dictionary and since I am retired I can't type or spell.... [/*]
Welcome to this thread txfemale.

1. I think the wife should be in a jail cell she either helped after the murder or she is the one that hit her first.
Many feel she was involved, however this will have to be proven

2. Maria had a order of protection and she would not have went to their house..
We don't know for a fact that she would never go to the Laurean home

3. I can't believe the mother did not want her and her baby in the same casket.
Many have different takes on this, however, in the end it was not our decision to make

4. I think she was killed because the DNA after the baby was born would prove he is the father and he would have to pay child support and it would prove she was raped by him.
Even if the DNA matched, that would not prove rape

[strick10]

Happy Easter all!!! It happened again, I was here talking to myself. Then.......posters started posting and I forgot what I was talking about. JK Hope everyone had a chance to spend time w/ those that are close to their hearts.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Welcome to this thread txfemale.

1. I think the wife should be in a jail cell she either helped after the murder or she is the one that hit her first.
Many feel she was involved, however this will have to be proven

2. Maria had a order of protection and she would not have went to their house..
We don't know for a fact that she would never go to the Laurean home

3. I can't believe the mother did not want her and her baby in the same casket.
Many have different takes on this, however, in the end it was not our decision to make

4. I think she was killed because the DNA after the baby was born would prove he is the father and he would have to pay child support and it would prove she was raped by him.
Even if the DNA matched, that would not prove rape [/*]

Excellent response, Ivy.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10
Happy Easter all!!! It happened again, I was here talking to myself. Then.......posters started posting and I forgot what I was talking about. JK Hope everyone had a chance to spend time w/ those that are close to their hearts. [/*]

Hi, strick!

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


Hi, strick! [/*]

Hey caejde! Hope your kiddos had a fun day. Any new news in J'ville regarding the case?

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Hey caejde! Hope your kiddos had a fun day. Any new news in J'ville regarding the case? [/*]

Easter egg hunt was fun! But the baby was more intersted in just playing with the grass and leaves. So daddy hunted his eggs. Crazy me forgot where I hid a couple of them!:D

I haven't heard anything really about the case. When it all first came out, it was mentioned at the gym a couple of times but that was about the last time I heard people mention it.

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


Easter egg hunt was fun! But the baby was more intersted in just playing with the grass and leaves. So daddy hunted his eggs. Crazy me forgot where I hid a couple of them!:D

I haven't heard anything really about the case. When it all first came out, it was mentioned at the gym a couple of times but that was about the last time I heard people mention it. [/*]

Guess the media interest dwindled once Maria and her son were laid to rest.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Guess the media interest dwindled once Maria and her son were laid to rest. [/*]

I think until there is a break in the case, that's how it will be....unfortunately. I mean if Capt. Sutherland says he updates the media at least a couple times a week, chances are there's not much new stuff to report so it gets canked.

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


I think until there is a break in the case, that's how it will be....unfortunately. I mean if Capt. Sutherland says he updates the media at least a couple times a week, chances are there's not much new stuff to report so it gets canked. [/*]

Wonder if Sutherland is looking for a specifice piece of information (in reference to the 5 theories he wanted this board to send him). There are many pieces that somehow fit loosly but I think there is one thing that everyone is missing. May even be right in front of us. Can't believe no one has seen CAL or that the positive leads Sutherland said they had received (the last time the media came out with anything) hasn't lead CAL.

[Lyn_T]

Happy Easter everyone.

Had to work today and since I got home and no one was here, I started cruising the internet.

I didn't know the Laurean house was for sale until a little while ago. Wonder if they are going to have an open house?
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=51551324

I for one would like to tour it. Forgive me if this was already posted, I had not seen or known.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Happy Easter everyone.

Had to work today and since I got home and no one was here, I started cruising the internet.

I didn't know the Laurean house was for sale until a little while ago. Wonder if they are going to have an open house?
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=51551324

I for one would like to tour it. Forgive me if this was already posted, I had not seen or known. [/*]

:eek: What's the deal here? Thought she couldn't sell w/out CAL's signature?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Happy Easter everyone.

Had to work today and since I got home and no one was here, I started cruising the internet.

I didn't know the Laurean house was for sale until a little while ago. Wonder if they are going to have an open house?
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=51551324

I for one would like to tour it. Forgive me if this was already posted, I had not seen or known. [/*]

OMG... $427 property tax? I am moving to NC!! (but not that house)

[chance]

Originally posted by strick10


:eek: What's the deal here? Thought she couldn't sell w/out CAL's signature? [/*]


Maybe the bank took it back and is selling it.
BTW hey all, Happy Easter.

[strick10]

Originally posted by chance



Maybe the bank took it back and is selling it.
BTW hey all, Happy Easter. [/*]

Would they do that so soon? Looks like it's been on the market for about 19 days.

[chance]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


OMG... $427 property tax? I am moving to NC!! (but not that house) [/*]


I'm moving to J,ville! I am in NC and mine is more than four times that!

moo
chance

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by strick10


:eek: What's the deal here? Thought she couldn't sell w/out CAL's signature? [/*]

I clicked on the Century 21 website and it doesn't come up there at all. Interesting though.

Thought for the bank to take it back they would have to be arrears more than 3 months for a foreclosure. Maybe not, don't know.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
Happy Easter everyone.

Had to work today and since I got home and no one was here, I started cruising the internet.

I didn't know the Laurean house was for sale until a little while ago. Wonder if they are going to have an open house?
http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=51551324

I for one would like to tour it. Forgive me if this was already posted, I had not seen or known. [/*]
That address is for 113, not 103 which is the Laurean home

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by chance



I'm moving to J,ville! I am in NC and mine is more than four times that!

moo
chance [/*]

I think I am behind you, ours is double and no city ammenities.....like water, sewer or trash pick up.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


I clicked on the Century 21 website and it doesn't come up there at all. Interesting though.

Thought for the bank to take it back they would have to be arrears more than 3 months for a foreclosure. Maybe not, don't know. [/*]

No pics available either. I don't know a thing about foreclosures but I suppose it could happen pretty quickly.

[chance]

Originally posted by strick10


Would they do that so soon? Looks like it's been on the market for about 19 days. [/*]

Maybe? I don't know but I am sure the mortgage has not been paid.

It may be allowed with out his signature considering the situation.

moo
chance

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by IvySterling

That address is for 113, not 103 which is the Laurean home [/*]

Glad you noticed that sorry....I typed in 103 and that one popped up. MY mistake, I assumed it gave me 103.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

That address is for 113, not 103 which is the Laurean home [/*]

:lol: Good catch Ivy! I didn't even notice it.

[chance]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


I think I am behind you, ours is double and no city ammenities.....like water, sewer or trash pick up. [/*]

We get trash pick up but thats it!

chance

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Glad you noticed that sorry....I typed in 103 and that one popped up. MY mistake, I assumed it gave me 103. [/*]
No biggie :) , glad there's only a few of us here!

ETA: Wonder if it's the Lavender house next door :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


:lol: Good catch Ivy! I didn't even notice it. [/*]

Yes, Yay Ivy!!!!!!!!

Now puhleeze don't anyone start posting tomorrow, "well Laureans' house is up for sale, huh? How about that!"

:cuss:

:D

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yes, Yay Ivy!!!!!!!!

Now puhleeze don't anyone start posting tomorrow, "well Laureans' house is up for sale, huh? How about that!"

:cuss:

:D [/*]

Sorry, I tried to edit but it was too late. Time to duck tape the fingers.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by chance



I'm moving to J,ville! I am in NC and mine is more than four times that!

moo
chance [/*]

lol... I am in NJ and mine is 20 times that! I wonder if she will have any luck selling it? Looks like she is taking a loss on it...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol... I am in NJ and mine is 20 times that! I wonder if she will have any luck selling it? Looks like she is taking a loss on it... [/*]

oops, never mind - just saw it's the wrong house...

[chance]

Originally posted by IvySterling

That address is for 113, not 103 which is the Laurean home [/*]

Yep your right.
What was the address of the marriage license witness/ neighbor?

chance

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by chance


Yep your right.
What was the address of the marriage license witness/ neighbor?

chance [/*]

112 is that house number.

[marinewife5]

Hello everyone...i hope everyone had a nice easter!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


112 is that house number. [/*]
Thanks nuttin, I have it noted somewhere, but couldn't come up with in time.

If the Alanders lived at 101, then 113 would be approx. 5 houses from CAL's house.:shrug:

At first I thought of the Lavender house, but the numbers didn't fit.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5
Hello everyone...i hope everyone had a nice easter! [/*]
Hi mw5, hope you did too!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yes, Yay Ivy!!!!!!!!

Now puhleeze don't anyone start posting tomorrow, "well Laureans' house is up for sale, huh? How about that!"

:cuss:

:D [/*]

Oh heck.......we have to have something to say ya know. lol

By tomorrow we will be saying the Laurean property has been sold and Marinewife5 was the real estate agent who got the deal.:lol:

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5
Hello everyone...i hope everyone had a nice easter! [/*]

I am so tuckered out. Our grand babies wore us out today. I feel I am going to turn into an egg and I will be hiding Easter eggs in my dreams tonight. lol

And the food was enough to feed 50 tree loggers I think lol, so I am overstuffed too but all of it was absolutely scrumptious.

I hope everyone had a wonderful Easter weekend.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh heck.......we have to have something to say ya know. lol

By tomorrow we will be saying the Laurean property has been sold and Marinewife5 was the real estate agent who got the deal.:lol:

imoo [/*]

LOL...the worst part would be no pay for mw5.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am so tuckered out. Our grand babies wore us out today. I feel I am going to turn into an egg and I will be hiding Easter eggs in my dreams tonight. lol

And the food was enough to feed 50 tree loggers I think lol, so I am overstuffed too but all of it was absolutely scrumptious.

I hope everyone had a wonderful Easter weekend.

imoo [/*]

I read on the board last night about the easter egg thief among us...we put an ipod in one of ours for dd, i was on the porch with binoculars looking for the egg thief in question, standing guard:patriot:

[chance]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


112 is that house number. [/*]

Thanks nuttin.


chance

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Thanks nuttin, I have it noted somewhere, but couldn't come up with in time.

If the Alanders lived at 101, then 113 would be approx. 5 houses from CAL's house.:shrug:

At first I thought of the Lavender house, but the numbers didn't fit. [/*]

Starting from 101, it's the 7th house on the same side of the street. The purple house is 105.

In checking with the RoD's office 113 sold on 2/22/08 and was recorded at the RoD's office on 3/5/2008.

http://deeds.onslowcountync.gov/indexing/idx_subdivision_search.asp (type in Mill Pond Meadows and then check Lot 6; Purple house is Lot 3)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I read on the board last night about the easter egg thief among us...we put an ipod in one of ours for dd, i was on the porch with binoculars looking for the egg thief in question, standing guard:patriot: [/*]

Oh I stopped all of that foolishness yesterday. I have repented and turned over a new leaf and uh found no egg under it.:D

The granddaughter who found that prize egg after my son made me put it back was still trying to get me to take the prize today. She wuvs her Nannie. lol

At my mother in laws house today we had 31 children hunting eggs.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


LOL...the worst part would be no pay for mw5. [/*]

Absolutely. I mean really she is in a pickle. She has a very limited income yet she cant even try to sell it because it is joint ownership.

imoo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh I stopped all of that foolishness yesterday. I have repented and turned over a new leaf and uh found no egg under it.:D

The granddaughter who found that prize egg after my son made me put it back was still trying to get me to take the prize today. She wuvs her Nannie. lol

At my mother in laws house today we had 31 children hunting eggs.

imoo [/*]

i wasn't taking chances...i don't know what you look like, but i know your "type"...get it? type? we "type" posts? okay, i'll stop the schtick now LOL

It sounds like you had a great easter!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Absolutely. I mean really she is in a pickle. She has a very limited income yet she cant even try to sell it because it is joint ownership.

imoo [/*]

he wasn't worried about forclosure, but was worried about the truck? doesn't make sense to me!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i wasn't taking chances...i don't know what you look like, but i know your "type"...get it? type? we "type" posts? okay, i'll stop the schtick now LOL

It sounds like you had a great easter! [/*]

:lol:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Absolutely. I mean really she is in a pickle. She has a very limited income yet she cant even try to sell it because it is joint ownership.

imoo [/*]

And CAL won't show up for the closing either. At this point he could probably care less whether or not the house if foreclosed on.

After all he's on the Seashores of Old Mexico, supposedly that is.

If that was indeed him who chatted it up with the bus driver, he did that to show he did make into Mexico, but I have a feeling he's back across into the USA now just laying low.

JMO

Glad you had fun today! The grands wore us out today too, but it was all FUN. :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


he wasn't worried about forclosure, but was worried about the truck? doesn't make sense to me! [/*]

Different strokes for different folks, evidently! It's those priorities ya know! ;)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
[/*]

It's Spring cleaning time!

No mail can be stuffed in that full mailbox of yours, LOL.

Clean the tracking and sent items too.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Different strokes for different folks, evidently! It's those priorities ya know! ;) [/*]
I think he wanted the truck to be found so it could eventually go back to whoever legally owns it.............brother, father :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I think he wanted the truck to be found so it could eventually go back to whoever legally owns it.............brother, father :shrug: [/*]

That's definitely a possibility.

JMO

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


It's Spring cleaning time!

No mail can be stuffed in that full mailbox of yours, LOL.

Clean the tracking and sent items too. [/*]

Cleaned

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And CAL won't show up for the closing either. At this point he could probably care less whether or not the house if foreclosed on.

After all he's on the Seashores of Old Mexico, supposedly that is.

If that was indeed him who chatted it up with the bus driver, he did that to show he did make into Mexico, but I have a feeling he's back across into the USA now just laying low.

JMO

Glad you had fun today! The grands wore us out today too, but it was all FUN. :seeya: [/*]

Yes, so he wants everyone to think.;)

He is "somewhere" I wonder if she really knows and he told her the real place he was going hoping the heat would be off one day.

I have swung on swings and climbed monkey bars today and probably tomorrow I wont even be able to move. But I played as hard as they did. I bet they are worn out too! LOL

I am very glad you had a fun filled day with your adorable grands.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by FoxySly


We have a lot of illegals here who work at the milk factory, they all drive brand new souped up trucks.
They live 20 or more in trashy little single wides nice new trucks all around with their septic pouring out on open land.
These very nice new trucks are lined up once a month at a big church here getting boxes of free food that they load up in these very nice new expensive trucks.
Just saying...

Sly [/*]

But what does that have to do with Laurean though?:shrug: He wasn't an illegal. He did have a very nice truck that he seemed to keep very clean and he was a homeowner and purchased the home in 2006 iirc..:shrug:

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Lyn_T, I'll trying posting the link here, hopefully it will work for you. If it doesn't change to bitrate to 300 instead of 700 (at the end of the link).

http://www.rootv.com/?vxSiteId=e256f482-95*0-490e-9*24-1fd64e416c56&vxChannel=Fox%20National%20News&vxClipId=2176_080122-093134_012108_greta_crimescene_F1200&vxBitrate=700

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


But what does that have to do with Laurean though?:shrug: He wasn't an illegal. He did have a very nice truck that he seemed to keep very clean and he was a homeowner and purchased the home in 2006 iirc..:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Yes all that you have posted is true. I still do not see what that comment had to do with Laurean. :shrug:

[Lyn_T]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Lyn_T, I'll trying posting the link here, hopefully it will work for you. If it doesn't change to bitrate to 300 instead of 700 (at the end of the link).

http://www.rootv.com/?vxSiteId=e256f482-95*0-490e-9*24-1fd64e416c56&vxChannel=Fox%20National%20News&vxClipId=2176_080122-093134_012108_greta_crimescene_F1200&vxBitrate=700 [/*]

Thanks - got it by doing a search at rootv. But it cut off the office part of that iinterview. Dang it...

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes all that you have posted is true. I still do not see what that comment had to do with Laurean. :shrug: [/*]

:shrug: Me either. Since he was not an illegal living in a trailer with many others.:shrug:

imo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:shrug: Me either. Since he was not an illegal living in a trailer with many others.:shrug:

imo [/*]

and if he valued that truck to that extent, why not take it the rest of the way? or hide it until the heat went down?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and if he valued that truck to that extent, why not take it the rest of the way? or hide it until the heat went down? [/*]

Dang if I can figure it out but I bet Christina has a good idea why.

imo

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Dang if I can figure it out but I bet Christina has a good idea why.

imo [/*]

and i cannot figure out going on the lam, but taking the time to see to it his truck is located by christina. it seems beyond odd to me.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and i cannot figure out going on the lam, but taking the time to see to it his truck is located by christina. it seems beyond odd to me. [/*]

So... his truck.. does LE still have it? I mean, even DP got his vehicles back. Maybe it is just a source of cash?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


So... his truck.. does LE still have it? I mean, even DP got his vehicles back. Maybe it is just a source of cash? [/*]

last i knew it was still with le. and christina cant sell it if it's in someone elses name. she couldn't sign the title. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


last i knew it was still with le. and christina cant sell it if it's in someone elses name. she couldn't sign the title. jmo [/*]

hmm, ok...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


hmm, ok... [/*]

perhaps, since it was possibly in his fathers name, he had made those arrangements with his family? jmo

[daniel green]

Originally posted by FoxySly


We have a lot of illegals here who work at the milk factory, they all drive brand new souped up trucks.
They live 20 or more in trashy little single wides nice new trucks all around with their septic pouring out on open land.
These very nice new trucks are lined up once a month at a big church here getting boxes of free food that they load up in these very nice new expencive trucks.
Just saying...

Sly [/*]

Wow.

Wow. Yikes.

And this has what to do with the Laurean case, please?

Thank you.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


perhaps, since it was possibly in his fathers name, he had made those arrangements with his family? jmo [/*]

I dunno.. but it seems like it was important to CL for CSL to get the truck...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I dunno.. but it seems like it was important to CL for CSL to get the truck... [/*]

it does seem that way. but why?

[marinewife5]

All of the candy is finally out of my system. see you all tomorrow:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it does seem that way. but why? [/*]

All I can figure is so CSL could sell the truck.. I dunno...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it does seem that way. but why? [/*]

umm.. for cash? seems the house was not going to be able to be paid for.. so I guess CL was trying to give his wife some cash flow?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Unless CSL can get her in-laws would transfer the title of the truck into her name so that she can have a clear title, she can not sell the truck.

Maybe it was a message to his parents...that if LE had the truck it meant that he had left the area.

Or maybe he had a reason for LLE to look for evidence in his truck...

Maybe he left something for LE to find... [/*]

Whoever the title-holder of the truck is could sell it, right? that would be either CL's father or brother - we haven't determined that, as far as I know.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Person whose name is on the title can sell the truck and Salvator Laurean is the title holder. Well, it could be his father or his brother. [/*]

right.. so I am thinking CL thought he would let them know where his truck is so that they can sell it and get some cash... JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


and i cannot figure out going on the lam, but taking the time to see to it his truck is located by christina. it seems beyond odd to me. [/*]

If I was reading a mystery, I'd say it's because the mastermind of the getaway plan TOLD HIM TO MW!

But then again, I'm not reading a mystery....see my signature line. :cool:

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


If I was reading a mystery, I'd say it's because the mastermind of the getaway plan TOLD HIM TO MW!

But then again, I'm not reading a mystery....see my signature line. :cool:

jmo [/*]

Actually this case IS a mystery, Candy. Otherwise the forum wouldn't be so active. ;) Not one of us has a theory that is complete fact. I truly believe that. It's all guesswork, totally. Hence: mystery.

[Fallen Angel]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Actually this case IS a mystery, Candy. Otherwise the forum wouldn't be so active. ;) Not one of us has a theory that is complete fact. I truly believe that. It's all guesswork, totally. Hence: mystery. [/*]

ITA Savannah

[CANDYKISSES]

:confused: Who said anything about getting rich? I must have missed that one.

I'd say we are talking about survival and not being left holding the bag.

JMO tho.

I also hold the belief the letters were probably dictated ahead of time and signal certain points he had made it to, so she would know where to find him at some point. JMO tho and nothing more. :shrug: