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[n/t]

Carrying this post over.

n/t
Senior Member

Registered: Jan 2007
Location: "Trust is earned by many deeds, and lost by only one."
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It's Been 37 Days since Nicholas Went Missing

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Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I was talking about asking for help from people posting on the boards.. only a couple seemed interested. Mainly people want to say they wish they could do something, but when asked

Searches have been done by family and friends. Just because there is not a news crew reporting on it does not mean it hasn't been going on. [/*]
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Can you tell us where they've searched? Did they search Lake Panther Park? What about the lake? I know there was talk about sending in scuba divers. Has Christine or a family member contacted TES?

On my way home from work, I thought about what I posted earlier and the community awareness. Placing an ad in the paper. If there is anything I can do to help, I will. I am in Canada so I'm limited to what I can do but if you tell me an ad will be placed, I will gladly chip in. I was thinking maybe something with his picture, with a few lines asking for people to volunteer for a search on a specific date, etc.

Just a reminder though that I am here to support Nicholas and I want him found. I am doing it for him and for the sake of his children. He needs them and they need him.

[n/t]

Harlett, please don't take this the wrong way.

You posted that there have been searches eventhough we haven't seen or heard of them. Some people like to be appreciated especially in public. Christine has a myspace, she's a member on Etsy, friends have put up pages for Nicholas, etc.

A simple thank you for all their effort would make such a big difference. She doesn't have to say who they are but a general note saying how much she appreciates everyone's time and effort to search for her beloved husband on such and such a day. I'm sure it would really mean a lot to those who did help in the search and again it would encourage others to help out.

Just a thought.


Edited for typo. :o

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Thanks for starting the thread n/t I was over on open court? And my post would not go thru and I was totally beside myself trying to figure out what was going on lol.
I forgot that it's a Holiday Weekend. :o [/*]

I didn't forget cuz I'm off tomorrow. I couldn't wait to get home lol.

You and many here have done so much research and given so many good suggestions. I know we all want him found. I know that if we were in Seattle we would all be there looking for him. Every bit counts.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I didn't forget cuz I'm off tomorrow. I couldn't wait to get home lol.

You and many here have done so much research and given so many good suggestions. I know we all want him found. I know that if we were in Seattle we would all be there looking for him. Every bit counts. [/*]

It said the forum was not accepting new posts, but when I tried to post on another missing thread I didn't get that message. I thought forums under amber alerts/missing people were left open.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


It said the forum was not accepting new posts, but when I tried to post on another missing thread I didn't get that message. I thought forums under amber alerts/missing people were left open. [/*]

Nicholas has a separate forum so I guess it got closed. Amber Alerts stay open.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
This one is "high maintenance" :lol: [/*]

ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by andover
Phewww, found everyone...lol. [/*]

good grief - I was sending up smoke signals - your box was full

do you remember my email address? if so, could you send me an email?

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

n/t I hope you have a lovely holiday weekend. If I were there; even with my arm on ice, I would go out for a day and search; physically. I'd bring my medicine and be off; I can still walk. I think that a large search should be done; and it shouldnt be that hard to coordinate for his family.
I have a problem a tiny problem with one little thing. If I were the spouse, and my husbands car was found abandoned and his accts and family and friends had not heard from him in a week, I would have to insist to LE that this WAS foul play. So why arn't they n/t!?? i know I would have to insist......his coworkers said; he didnt even go out; he went home every night.......he wasn't that kind of guy from what his co workers said. It looks to me like he did go home at night and work on logos and online graphic art, at $50.00 a pop for an Etsy banner/logo. Too bad he wasnt around long enough to get it off the ground.
So how could it NOT be foul play........he is GONE. Our laptops and Ipods do not have any time of ping system or gps? OR, has he in fact logged into his online accts.....his email via webmail by now? That's one thing I'd like to know....has he logged into his acct his main pers email acct; via web mail.
:shrug: [/*]


I know. I don't understand it either CT. I guess we just have to go with the assumption that there was nothing found in his car to indicate foul play. No fingerprints, no blood, nothing. I think they just feel he took off.

What bothers me the most is there have been no tips, no leads either except for the 2 or 3 sightings mentioned earlier in the case. And we don't even know if those sightings were dismissed or did they actually see Nicholas at the gas station and convenience store. From what I understand they were going to check the videos. WTH? Did they or not?

[n/t]

We would also have to assume based on Christine's comment that we are 30 steps behind LE, that everything we've suggested was already looked at. :shrug:

Personally, I don't believe they had the time and resources to do all that was suggested.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't have the money to fly to Seattle to search so there is very little I can do from where I sit. I will however do whatever I can but the forum got closed before Harlett could answer any of us.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth
Maybe there is a way to direct harlett to this forum and she can answer that question? :shrug: [/*]

She's been a member here for a long time. She knows about the Holiday Forums. :)

[carterkatt]

Catching up.. and thanks to Rainy.. found you all..

Ok... what do we need to pack for the weather in Seattle? Locals?

Which day will we all be flying in? Rainy, you WILL be winning the lottery, RIGHT???? :D

[carterkatt]

Totally OT, and I apologize.. just this once...

I need to find something on the net that was posted and taken down about 2 wks ago (nothing to do with NF). I know it's "out there" - cached - is that the term???

How do I find it??? I've googled, etc.. no luck.

Please PM me if you can help.

TIA!!! :rose:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth
Yep, you're gonna have to hide in a better spot than this.
Let me ask you something though. Do we have a little more latitude here, than we do over there?

I want the rules up front please!
TIA [/*]

Same rules apply. If we go off topic or it gets out of hand, CW will shut it down.


ETA: Will shut down this thread and not the entire forum. lol

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Catching up.. and thanks to Rainy.. found you all..

Ok... what do we need to pack for the weather in Seattle? Locals?

Which day will we all be flying in? Rainy, you WILL be winning the lottery, RIGHT???? :D [/*]

I'm winning and we are all going to search :D

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by babygraceful


I can not understand that either. [/*]

oh good glad you found this - I've tried to PM people if I saw them up in the forum

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


oh good glad you found this - I've tried to PM people if I saw them up in the forum [/*]

Thank u Rainy for the pm!
I'm here! :seeya:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm winning and we are all going to search :D [/*]

I want to win too! If I win then I will fly out too! :beer:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soyesterday


Thank u Rainy for the pm!
I'm here! :seeya: [/*]

you're welcome :seeya:

[KindraLore]

Man, yall were trying to hide from me weren't you? lol

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

Main site last updated March 13

http://www.komotv.com/news/15739362.html


Her comments went from he told me he loved me to I love you bella on cnn.

[/*]

Hi posters :)

Been following this case, but not posting.

CATTOY I just snipped your post to comment on the one point.

Don't you think it could've just been paraphrasing, that caused Christine to slightly alter the comment?
Those 2 comments mean the same thing.
I noticed the discrepancy, too, but I'm not sure that it points to anything of importance.

[n/t]

Originally posted by KindraLore
Man, yall were trying to hide from me weren't you? lol [/*]

:tongue:

I sent you a letter. It's in the mail.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by n/t


:tongue:

I sent you a letter. It's in the mail. [/*]

LOL N/T! :lol:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


:tongue:

I sent you a letter. It's in the mail. [/*]

yeah me too - even sent money :eek:

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by andover
Will probably be somewhat quiet for the next few days. Not too many people can find us. [/*]

Well if you guys sent letters and money to them all like yall did me, they will come. (of course it may take some time..lol)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Well if you guys sent letters and money to them all like yall did me, they will come. (of course it may take some time..lol) [/*]

LOLOL

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by andover
Will probably be somewhat quiet for the next few days. Not too many people can find us. [/*]

Gee, I was under the impression that you were all "sleuths". Now you say that others can't find a thread? And you think you can find Nic?

Allow me the :rolleyes: that you all use so many times when others don't walk in lock step with your party line.

BTW, I researched gangs a bit. To keep O/T... long shot. I still believe he met with a random crime. Not "bang, bang", some crazed person that happens all to often here.

Someone who wanted to relish in NF's terror. And that happens too.

I pray I'm wrong ... and that Nic comes home.

[dianaelaine]

HEY! I wanna come to Seattle! I have 2 sons there, and haven't seen them in a LONG time!

Can I .. huh? please? can I?

I'll go door to door at those condos AND the apartments across the street! :flamemad:

[decor]

Originally posted by Maranantha


Gee, I was under the impression that you were all "sleuths". Now you say that others can't find a thread? And you think you can find Nic?

Allow me the :rolleyes: that you all use so many times when others don't walk in lock step with your party line.

BTW, I researched gangs a bit. To keep O/T... long shot. I still believe he met with a random crime. Not "bang, bang", some crazed person that happens all to often here.

Someone who wanted to relish in NF's terror. And that happens too.

I pray I'm wrong ... and that Nic comes home. [/*]

I don't think it so much that they can't find the thread, but don't know that the thread exists.
I don't think all of the newer people know that the threads get moved during holidays. I didn't until earlier when I asked someone why the other thread was closed.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


oh good glad you found this - I've tried to PM people if I saw them up in the forum [/*]

I would be interested to know who you did PM so I can PM all the rest that you didn't. thanks

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by decor


I would be interested to know who you did PM so I can PM all the rest that you didn't. thanks [/*]

I PM'd PJ, Harlett, BobbisAngel, Musterion, Mystry and Maranantha (even though Maranantha found it herself cuz she still hasn't read my PM. lol)

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor


I would be interested to know who you did PM so I can PM all the rest that you didn't. thanks [/*]

I dropped Dianaelaine and ThruTheTrees pms when I saw them lurking on the daily thread.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Catching up.. and thanks to Rainy.. found you all..

Ok... what do we need to pack for the weather in Seattle? Locals?

Which day will we all be flying in? Rainy, you WILL be winning the lottery, RIGHT???? :D [/*]

Put me on that list too! I sooo wish I was closer or could afford to drive up, would have done it weeks ago.
Thanks so much Rainy for getting me here, I'm new enough would never have found you all.
:seeya:

[figritout]

OK Everyone, knowing that I am fairly new. Is this now the new post thread? Oh, so confused out here. Read the posts on the other thread and had "oh such a brief and simple comment" and it said the post was closed? Please enlighten me.
Thanks

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by figritout
OK Everyone, knowing that I am fairly new. Is this now the new post thread? Oh, so confused out here. Read the posts on the other thread and had "oh such a brief and simple comment" and it said the post was closed? Please enlighten me.
Thanks [/*]

On holidays they close most of the forums because CW needs a holiday too. They make weekend threads that will be moved over once the Nick forum is open again.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by figritout
OK Everyone, knowing that I am fairly new. Is this now the new post thread? Oh, so confused out here. Read the posts on the other thread and had "oh such a brief and simple comment" and it said the post was closed? Please enlighten me.
Thanks [/*]

yes...during a Holiday all threads are closed (for the most part) and we are all herded into one room to battle it out :D

Once the holiday is over we will go back home

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


yes...during a Holiday all threads are closed (for the most part) and we are all herded into one room to battle it out :D

Once the holiday is over we will go back home [/*]

haha. Great way of describing it Katie!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by andover
Will probably be somewhat quiet for the next few days. Not too many people can find us. [/*]

Thanks to Rainy & Desmom for PMing me so I could find the holiday hang-out. ;)

I wonder why there can't be a link added to the earlier thread that says it's been moved here?

Well I don't have much to add about where Nicholas might be. Ever since his car was found, I've leaned more to the idea that he left on his own, partly just because I'd rather think he is still alive. But also because I don't think it's very likely he met up with random violence with no evidence of that. Intentional violence... maybe... but there are no leads to follow on that either.

OTOH, it is hard for me to believe that he has contacted no one in the past 5+ weeks, if that's really true. I'm left wondering what state of mind someone would be in to stay out of touch for that long intentionally. I know people do it but still it's hard to understand why.

I'm holding out the same hope I did a couple weeks ago when I suggested that maybe he will reappear on Easter Sunday -- a symbolic "resurrection," perhaps?

Someone posted a very touching message today to Nicholas on the supportingnicholas.blogspot.com (since I set up the blog, I'm giving myself permission to quote from it here!):

Nicholas, I have a feeling you left to search for something within you that you do not understand. You dont seem to be the type of person that would ever hurt anyone intentionally. Please let your wife and children know where you are as soon as possible. If something happened to you and you have already crossed over, please help to guide those who are searching for you, they will be waiting for signs of your guidance. We will not forget you and will search for you till we have closure. Love and light will always surround you.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by figritout
OK Everyone, knowing that I am fairly new. Is this now the new post thread? Oh, so confused out here. Read the posts on the other thread and had "oh such a brief and simple comment" and it said the post was closed? Please enlighten me.
Thanks [/*]

So what was your comment that you were going to make fig?

[figritout]

Originally posted by KindraLore


So what was your comment that you were going to make fig? [/*]

Every morning and every evening I listen to the news and if I hear "Tukwilla" or "Federal Way" I get excited.. All for naught.. I am still wondering and "praying" for an answer.. I think with the pages and pages of posts that we are all quite baffled here.. Nothing new has come up, just the speculation, that actaully plays over and over again.. I appreciate all of you, though, for diligently, sticking to the search.. What is next I wonder.. Trying to move outside my box, but with so little information, nothing new.. What to do?

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by figritout


Every morning and every evening I listen to the news and if I hear "Tukwilla" or "Federal Way" I get excited.. All for naught.. I am still wondering and "praying" for an answer.. I think with the pages and pages of posts that we are all quite baffled here.. Nothing new has come up, just the speculation, that actaully plays over and over again.. I appreciate all of you, though, for diligently, sticking to the search.. What is next I wonder.. Trying to move outside my box, but with so little information, nothing new.. What to do? [/*]

I completely agree. I did research the gang angle earlier too. There seems to be an increase of it in that area. I had some links but they are at work.

I hope that there are answers soon, no matter what they may be.

[decor]

I hope I got everyone. I emailed all those that posted today that registered this year and aren't posting here yet and aren't on those two lists posted above. :)

[figritout]

Originally posted by KindraLore


I completely agree. I did research the gang angle earlier too. There seems to be an increase of it in that area. I had some links but they are at work.

I hope that there are answers soon, no matter what they may be. [/*]

I don't know about gang initiations and such. I do know I am disturbed everytime I turn on the news around here. It is very grim.. But the difference with this case is there is nothing.. I just can't digest that..
And I look at the whole picture.. interviews, family, friends, things that happened just prior to his disappearance.. Work, Church.. So many loose ends.. This really isn't about a personality contest.. It's about an all around, balanced look at what is going on.. Leaves me baffled..
But I still go back to Jessie Davis's family and the young man missing in New Orleans, and something doesn't add up here.. It just doesn't... In both cases, female and pregnant, and a husband and family man.. They put it out there and still do.. No hiding it, they want to find them..
If it were my "cat".. Sorry.. you may not have read my post several, several posts ago.. I would search from high and low.. I would want to know answers.. Be me a family member, a friend.. Even if there were not enough clues I would be persistant.. Just me.. Not making judgements here.. Just saying how it would be for me..

[decor]

Originally posted by appledipper
Thanks decor :)

My inbox was full but i figured it out. :read: [/*]

yes, you were the only one I couldn't get to because of the full box but I tried :)

[mc528]

Thanks, decor, for letting me know about this thread....now I'm off to catch up. :read:

[decor]

Originally posted by Beth
Did anybody let SeattleEddie know we were over here? :) [/*]

I just did.
I thought he had already posted on here but I see that he hasn't.

[decor]

Originally posted by mc528
Thanks, decor, for letting me know about this thread....now I'm off to catch up. :read: [/*]

you're welcome :)

[decor]

Originally posted by Beth
PM andover. :) [/*]

andover already posted on the first page :)

[decor]

Originally posted by andover


Yep, I am here....roll call?? [/*]

yes! because if we don't this thread will lag for three days. seeing posts posted only every 45 minutes isn't much fun :)

[abstr]

I haven't posted for a bit...and am a fairly new poster but really long lurker....
I am discouraged. They really are a beautiful family.
I have read a lot of post about the gang activity. I live between Baltimore and DC so I might be jaded but here, where gang activity is high, the gangs do kill people to be initiated but they don't hide the bodies.
Someone from Seattle, Is Seattle in the midst of a gang crisis California style? and would that mean that they might hide a body? I am still new to the gangland life. ...Here we have had horrible crime and murder rates for years but the crip/blood type gangs are newish, within the last 15 years.
I am so discouraged. Over the past few years I have had several cases that have really gotten to me...and none have been solved.
May God bless Nicholas and his family.

IMO, I don't think it's gang activity...I am not sure what the heck happened though.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Thanks to Rainy & Desmom for PMing me so I could find the holiday hang-out. ;)

I wonder why there can't be a link added to the earlier thread that says it's been moved here?

Well I don't have much to add about where Nicholas might be. Ever since his car was found, I've leaned more to the idea that he left on his own, partly just because I'd rather think he is still alive. But also because I don't think it's very likely he met up with random violence with no evidence of that. Intentional violence... maybe... but there are no leads to follow on that either.

OTOH, it is hard for me to believe that he has contacted no one in the past 5+ weeks, if that's really true. I'm left wondering what state of mind someone would be in to stay out of touch for that long intentionally. I know people do it but still it's hard to understand why.

I'm holding out the same hope I did a couple weeks ago when I suggested that maybe he will reappear on Easter Sunday -- a symbolic "resurrection," perhaps?

Someone posted a very touching message today to Nicholas on the supportingnicholas.blogspot.com (since I set up the blog, I'm giving myself permission to quote from it here!):

Nicholas, I have a feeling you left to search for something within you that you do not understand. You dont seem to be the type of person that would ever hurt anyone intentionally. Please let your wife and children know where you are as soon as possible. If something happened to you and you have already crossed over, please help to guide those who are searching for you, they will be waiting for signs of your guidance. We will not forget you and will search for you till we have closure. Love and light will always surround you. [/*]

That message just made me really sad all of a sudden.
I mean i was already sad for him and his family....
but it really hit me hard reading that.....
it also seems like everyone is getting along here lately?
It's nice not to be fighting and stuff. :)
I think i realized that we're all here to find Nicholas, not argue about little things.
Anyway, just wanted to say that.
This case is making me really emotional lately. :(

[figritout]

OK.. After roll call.. Where are we here? I am so anxious to figure this out.. No punn intended.. With all of the previous posts and the information.. What is the consensus?

[abstr]

I am here....LOL...Sure you've all been holding your breathe waiting for me :)

Originally posted by decor


yes! because if we don't this thread will lag for three days. seeing posts posted only every 45 minutes isn't much fun :) [/*]

[decor]

Originally posted by abstr
I am here....LOL...Sure you've all been holding your breathe waiting for me :)

[/*]

I don't think you posted this morning did you? I don't remember seeing your name when I went thru PMing people. :)

[abstr]

I want to believe that he walked but I don't....
We have nothing new and that saddens me.....what if it were my loved one and I had not a clue...
I hope to hell he lost it and walked away...because the alternatives are all so sad

Originally posted by figritout
OK.. After roll call.. Where are we here? I am so anxious to figure this out.. No punn intended.. With all of the previous posts and the information.. What is the consensus? [/*]

[figritout]

Originally posted by abstr
I want to believe that he walked but I don't....
We have nothing new and that saddens me.....what if it were my loved one and I had not a clue...
I hope to hell he lost it and walked away...because the alternatives are all so sad

[/*]
Yeah, I am with you.. It is all so confusing.. I keep thinking why do I keep coming and looking? There just isn't anything to guide us here..

[abstr]

No, It has been a few days. Work has been so busy I have just tried to keep up posting.
I was being a little faciscious (sp?) ...I am newish and haven't posted a lot....didn't mean I was offended.
Also, I hate any arguing, so I am a bit careful about my posts.
I keep reading all the old stuff waiting for the one clue...

Originally posted by decor


I don't think you posted this morning did you? I don't remember seeing your name when I went thru PMing people. :) [/*]

[figritout]

Originally posted by Beth
well, for what it's worth, I'm tired of seeing nothing getting done. I emailed half of seattle today and about 30 other organizations that are out there. Certainly somebody will take this case on. I am relentless and the silence regarding this case IS deafening.

I'll get answers and I have connections too. :) [/*]
Beth, I sent out letters, had friends post flyers, have emailed anyone I can think of, and nothing. Nothing.. It is amazing to me.. In this forum I feel like I have spent a huge amount reading of CF and what she is posting or not.. But in the real world.. This forum isn't known.. In the real world there is very little going on.. I get lost sometimes confusing the two.. I have not heard a word about NF in weeks.. With the exception of interviews, not in my opinon about him really, but other stuff.. staying vague here, don't want to start anything.. Oh and I live in the area where he went missing.. So when I say there is nothing, I really can say there is nothing.. Nothing.. And that bothers me..

[mc528]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


snipped.....

Is it common place for spouses to give each other kudos on that site, the etsy; as if or posing as a customer that was highly satisfied? Is that how that group works? Because I dont think it is. CF posted on NFs site, as if she were a satisfied customer....is that how it works? [/*]


No, IMO, it is not commonplace, nor how it is supposed to work.

[abstr]

keep up reading i meant....should have just edited...damn, sorry...later here and college bb is on!

Originally posted by abstr
No, It has been a few days. Work has been so busy I have just tried to keep up posting.
I was being a little faciscious (sp?) ...I am newish and haven't posted a lot....didn't mean I was offended.
Also, I hate any arguing, so I am a bit careful about my posts.
I keep reading all the old stuff waiting for the one clue...

[/*]

[isitme]

Thanks Decor and Rainy for the Pm's.

Sorry I have been busy reading another case that Grande and Harlett are working on


My feeling is that LE is on to something, don't know what, and that is why nothing more has been said to the public. I think they are still invetigating the case and are looking a missing piece or a slip up by someone before they take further action or make a public statement.

If I'm right, let's all just hope that the missing piece lands in their soon, or the slip up happens quickly.

[field of snow]

I'm here! Thanks for the PM!

It's amazing how affected I am by this story -- I am in Orlando for today and tomorrow and spent the evening at Downtown Disney (shopping/dining/entertainment complex within Disney World Resort). Instead of fully enjoying my time there I am thinking about the case and looking closer at every guy who could have been Nick. There was even someone who looked like CF's doppelgänger.

Of course, then I thought of what i'd do if I actually did see Nick. Assuming he looks okay and not hurt....
* Should you go up to someone in a case like this?
* Confront them?
* Take pictures as proof for CF and LE?
* Follow them?
* Lose him and run to your hotel room to get the number of the sheriff dept in Seattle?

I couldn't bring myself to call 911 if he was safe and sane in appearance. I've been taught to only use that number for true emergencies. Should I just go ahead and plug that # in my cell now in case I see Mr Fransisco rambling around Fantasy World tomorrow?

I know it is not likely to happen, but as I said, i'm always thinking about this.

[abstr]

btw...thank you, i think, if my memory serves correctly, and i might very well be wrong, i disagree with you often, but i like that you are dedicated and we all just want nicholas to be ok and home!
Originally posted by decor


I don't think you posted this morning did you? I don't remember seeing your name when I went thru PMing people. :) [/*]

[figritout]

Originally posted by andover


This is strictly my opinion, I believe it is more than symbolic that he disappeared the evening before Valentine's Day. I also find it very odd that it doesn't appear that there is much activity to try to locate him. His extended family is being extremely quiet given the situation, LE is being very quiet. Many suggestions have been made that the family should at least contact TES. As of mid week TES had not been contacted.

This leaves me thinking one thing only. Again, this is strictly my opinion. I believe he left on his own and his family knows where he is. I also believe he attempting to start a new life....but all this is my opinion only. [/*]
Thanks for seeing me out here.. Ok I have told this to many people in my life.. In this day and age when a wife does not work and the husband wants out, it is a nightmare(also true if the wife works). That is just the facts. Add a wife that doesn't work and two plus one on the way children.. The courts don't say, hey you both need to work and support this family when there is a divorce, they look at alimony, child support etc. I have never agreed with this, personally.. Not open to arguement on this.. I could see the easier way is to walk.. Often times the wife makes it impossible for the husband to see the chidren in a divorce situation, and life is hell for the duration.

[abstr]

Thank God I never had this happen in my family...but we have had other issues and I am just in aww of the just giving up, at least that is my perception. We had a serious issue and had to decide that people could gossip but we needed to get the info out there and reputation be damned....of course it was not like we had someone missing.
I don't really know what I think......I just hope Nicholas is ok....and his children will be ok. ( nothing against Christine....just those kids are so helpless due to age)
Originally posted by figritout

Yeah, I am with you.. It is all so confusing.. I keep thinking why do I keep coming and looking? There just isn't anything to guide us here.. [/*]

[abstr]

IMO...and I have only ever sold on EBay....it is a bit unethical....esp. when worded as if she didn't know him.
I feel the need to add....I don't think it means Christine did anything or knows anything about his disappearance.
Originally posted by mc528



No, IMO, it is not commonplace, nor how it is supposed to work. [/*]

[decor]

Originally posted by abstr
btw...thank you, i think, if my memory serves correctly, and i might very well be wrong, i disagree with you often, but i like that you are dedicated and we all just want nicholas to be ok and home!
[/*]

thank you.

it would be easy to inform only those that agreed with you. But everyone's voice is entitled to be heard and especially after all of this time and all those that have persevered thru it.. :)

[need2no]

Originally posted by field of snow
I'm here! Thanks for the PM!

It's amazing how affected I am by this story -- I am in Orlando for today and tomorrow and spent the evening at Downtown Disney (shopping/dining/entertainment complex within Disney World Resort). Instead of fully enjoying my time there I am thinking about the case and looking closer at every guy who could have been Nick. There was even someone who looked like CF's doppelgänger.

Of course, then I thought of what i'd do if I actually did see Nick. Assuming he looks okay and not hurt....
* Should you go up to someone in a case like this?
* Confront them?
* Take pictures as proof for CF and LE?
* Follow them?
* Lose him and run to your hotel room to get the number of the sheriff dept in Seattle?

I couldn't bring myself to call 911 if he was safe and sane in appearance. I've been taught to only use that number for true emergencies. Should I just go ahead and plug that # in my cell now in case I see Mr Fransisco rambling around Fantasy World tomorrow?

I know it is not likely to happen, but as I said, i'm always thinking about this. [/*]


You could start by approaching and shouting "hey Nicholas, I'm glad to see you are alive" and see if the man ignores you, turns your way, or runs like h*ll...that could be your 1st clue to determine if it's Nicholas. :biggrin:

[mc528]

Originally posted by abstr
IMO...and I have only ever sold on EBay....it is a bit unethical....esp. when worded as if she didn't know him.
I feel the need to add....I don't think it means Christine did anything or knows anything about his disappearance.
[/*]


I agree with you....I don't believe that biz site, in any way, has anything to do with NF leaving on 2/13. It contributed to many facets of this case after 2/16, IMO,.....but not in the act of, or cause of, his leaving.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I didnt thnk so. I like the honesty factor. If I were to open a shop; I wouldnt need a fake kudo from anyone. Even if I didnt sell a thing. :shrug:
It's that honesty factor AGAIN.
CT [/*]

Hey Cat Toy, I always smile when I see you out there.. Just had to say so. and by the by I sent you a pm earlier. I think you will understand when you read when now I say just ignore it..LOL

[abstr]

Truly not to make fun...and I hope I won't offend...but I want to move to Fantasy Land ...and my life isn't so bad!
You never know andover...and I have used 911 a couple times...where I thought it out but felt I didn't have the judgement to decide if it was critical or not....use your head and heart and you will know....I have read your post you won't call for the first guy who has black hair!

Originally posted by andover


You are probably closer to the truth than any other scenarios. What if he is rambling around Fantasy World and we are all losing sleep? Go figure, keep you eyes open snow! [/*]

[abstr]

You could be correct. I have always said that as a rule women do not leave as often because they would have to pack up the kids....:)
Originally posted by andover


Again, strictly my opinion, I don't believe he wants to be found. [/*]

[field of snow]

Originally posted by need2no



You could start by approaching and shouting "hey Nicholas, I'm glad to see you are alive" and see if the man ignores you, turns your way, or runs like h*ll...that could be your 1st clue to determine if it's Nicholas. :biggrin: [/*]

:lol:

Hehe! But if my feet hurt like they did today, I don't think I want to run after someone, so I think i'll just play it coy and follow.

Of course, if he's with some chick and lovey dovey (not my theory, but..), I will just do what i've done for my friends when I found their husbands: read him the riot act in front of everyone within shouting distance.

[abstr]

take pictures and the fbi can do the ray gricar, is this him thing
sorry to make light....why do i feel like i must always apologize here>
Originally posted by field of snow


:lol:

Hehe! But if my feet hurt like they did today, I don't think I want to run after someone, so I think i'll just play it coy and follow.

Of course, if he's with some chick and lovey dovey (not my theory, but..), I will just do what i've done for my friends when I found their husbands: read him the riot act in front of everyone within shouting distance. [/*]

[desmom]

Originally posted by field of snow


:lol:

Hehe! But if my feet hurt like they did today, I don't think I want to run after someone, so I think i'll just play it coy and follow.

Of course, if he's with some chick and lovey dovey (not my theory, but..), I will just do what i've done for my friends when I found their husbands: read him the riot act in front of everyone within shouting distance. [/*]

Do you have a cell phone with a camera? Take pics.

[desmom]

Does Greyhound or Amtrak keep records of their passenger's names?

[decor]

Originally posted by desmom
Does Greyhound or Amtrak keep records of their passenger's names? [/*]

they don't give their names that I know of.

[mc528]

Originally posted by desmom
Does Greyhound or Amtrak keep records of their passenger's names? [/*]


It's been awhile since I took Amtrak, since the summer of 2001, pre-9/11, and pre-Patriot Act.....but when I was traveling down to NYC weekly I never even gave my name when I got my tickets. I'm sure things have probably changed since then.

[need2no]

Originally posted by field of snow


:lol:

Hehe! But if my feet hurt like they did today, I don't think I want to run after someone, so I think i'll just play it coy and follow.

Of course, if he's with some chick and lovey dovey (not my theory, but..), I will just do what i've done for my friends when I found their husbands: read him the riot act in front of everyone within shouting distance. [/*]



:lol: I'm just picturing a woman snatching off her shoes, tossing them aside and suddenly running through the park after a man screaming Nic you come back here I know it's you, while onlookers are starring with curiosity and amazement.

The FBI would be so proud of you! :patriot:

[need2no]

Originally posted by andover


Sheeesh, maybe some poor naive person bought the car and was using it and parking it at the condos, and moving it around as he came and went. One day he went to get his car and it was gone! LOL [/*]


But that person's finger prints would be in the car.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by desmom
Does Greyhound or Amtrak keep records of their passenger's names? [/*]

I'm pretty sure they do keep track of passengers by name, but not sure if they check ID or anything when someone gets on board.

I just wonder to what extend LE would go to try and found out if he left town. Would they check Greyhound, Amtrak, all of the many airlines that fly out of SeaTac, etc, just to rule out "foul play"? Or, is their main focus just to try and find out if something happened to him in their jurisdiction?

I remember reading that they had checked local hospitals and something else (homeless shelters? jails?). But I would think to get a manifest of passengers on a flight or bus or train trip, they might need to have a search warrant for that? Does anyone know?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by decor


they don't give their names that I know of. [/*]

I had to show my ticket and ID getting on Amtrak.. but I don't know about Greyhound.

Actually just went and read about what their policies regarding identification and it says anyone purchasing tickets by an agent or onboard must show ID.

I would think for security reasons they would want to know how many people are on board but they really aren't that strict about it once your are on the train. I take a train to my parents house in Montana. I buy the tickets for a destination further than where I need to go because it is cheaper than buying one directly to where I am going. I just get off early and nobody ever says anything about it.

[decor]

Originally posted by mc528



It's been awhile since I took Amtrak, since the summer of 2001, pre-9/11, and pre-Patriot Act.....but when I was traveling down to NYC weekly I never even gave my name when I got my tickets. I'm sure things have probably changed since then. [/*]


they haven't. my daughters and niece take the buses and trains all of the time and don't give their name. you just buy a ticket.

[figritout]

Originally posted by desmom
Does Greyhound or Amtrak keep records of their passenger's names? [/*]

If I had planned to leave, none of this would matter..I would already have fake id. and I would have the mental attitude of this is it.. I would miss my children, but in this case if it were me.... I would beleive they are better off not in the middle of the courts and what may ensue.. It would in my mind to be a no win situation. i.e. I pay child support but fight toothe and nail to keep my reputation in tact with my children and the visitation rights, and try to stay afloat and make ends meet financially. Alot of reasons to just walk. These days it is really hard to split up and if things aren't ammicable, UGH! imo..

[abstr]

i have only done the online tickets to new york....done that since you could online....but i would be curious if you just show up at penn station and buy a ticket......
Originally posted by mc528



It's been awhile since I took Amtrak, since the summer of 2001, pre-9/11, and pre-Patriot Act.....but when I was traveling down to NYC weekly I never even gave my name when I got my tickets. I'm sure things have probably changed since then. [/*]

[decor]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I had to show my ticket and ID getting on Amtrak.. but I don't know about Greyhound. [/*]

wow. my niece takes the train from DC to PA and doesn't have to do that.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no



But that person's finger prints would be in the car. [/*]

Yes, and there still hasn't been any official word on what was or wasn't found in the car, right? It was a week ago that Christine said on her blog that they were finished with the car and would be returning it to her after the detective returned from vacation on March 13. I wonder what happened... if she has the car back now or what.

We need a reporter who can call LE and get an update!

[abstr]

I agree in that here on the East coast....going from DC to NY is an everyday thing. The public transportation is tied in from city to city, train to subway, etc.....
I would like to think since I am so close to so many potential targets for terroist....that it is well monitored...but the subway and trains are a bit intertwined. I do not ride them daily but do the va to ny route for work on occassion and have never been searched at a train or subway station....i wonder what the west coast is like.
The airports are different...they want you to strip
Originally posted by decor


wow. my niece takes the train from DC to PA and doesn't have to do that. [/*]

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by andover


I would think they would need a search warrant to get passengers names. But, if they are not suspecting foul play do they have a reason to do that. In other words, if Nic got on a plane and flew somewhere did he break the law? [/*]

Yes, that's what I am wondering. Someone who is able to get on a plane is not someone who is likely to be "endangered" in any criminal way. And getting on a plane to go somewhere is certainly not against the law. So I'm having trouble seeing how LE would be able to ask for that kind of information without "probable cause".

The same with finding out if he has a passport and whether he used it if he did -- on what grounds can they even be asking that question? Unless they either suspect him of a crime or think he is being held against his will. But I can't see how someone could be forced to get on a plane against his will. I suppose if it was psychological, like a threat against his family or something. But no one could have been holding a gun to him through airport security and on to the plane.

Maybe someone who works for LE or knows someone who does, would know what level of information LE would be able to request from airlines and other transportation providers in a scenario like this. I just remember that TMobile wasn't going to release his cell phone records w/out a search warrant, and LE wasn't able to get one, and this seems similar.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by decor


wow. my niece takes the train from DC to PA and doesn't have to do that. [/*]

I always have to where I get on.. even my son that is 16 is required to show ID... my younger ones don't. Is it Amtrak?

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Yes, and there still hasn't been any official word on what was or wasn't found in the car, right? It was a week ago that Christine said on her blog that they were finished with the car and would be returning it to her after the detective returned from vacation on March 13. I wonder what happened... if she has the car back now or what.

We need a reporter who can call LE and get an update! [/*]

I guess I've just assumed they found nothing because if they had it could indicate foul play. Of course since we've heard nothing from LE in so long I suppose it is possible they picked up prints they have yet to identify, but for some reason I doubt it.

Yeah, where are all the curious reporters who usually want to get a scoop on these mysterious cases? Heck they could just ride by the house and see if his car is there, and then see if LE would divulge if any prints other than Nic's were found. If media isn't asking, LE probably want volunteer this limited info to the public.

[abstr]

I think, and it is an educated guess..but all I can say, that it is still a little hard for some people to get info, for others you can get what you shouldn't legally be able to.
Nicholas is clearly, IMO...gotta add that, NOT a threat to national security so it has to go by the book
SORRY huge typo...just saying national security breaks rules when really neccesary but one missing guy they wont break a rule at all
Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Yes, that's what I am wondering. Someone who is able to get on a plane is not someone who is likely to be "endangered" in any criminal way. And getting on a plane to go somewhere is certainly not against the law. So I'm having trouble seeing how LE would be able to ask for that kind of information without "probable cause".

The same with finding out if he has a passport and whether he used it if he did -- on what grounds can they even be asking that question? Unless they either suspect him of a crime or think he is being held against his will. But I can't see how someone could be forced to get on a plane against his will. I suppose if it was psychological, like a threat against his family or something. But no one could have been holding a gun to him through airport security and on to the plane.

Maybe someone who works for LE or knows someone who does, would know what level of information LE would be able to request from airlines and other transportation providers in a scenario like this. I just remember that TMobile wasn't going to release his cell phone records w/out a search warrant, and LE wasn't able to get one, and this seems similar. [/*]

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by abstr
I agree in that here on the East coast....going from DC to NY is an everyday thing. The public transportation is tied in from city to city, train to subway, etc.....
I would like to think since I am so close to so many potential targets for terroist....that it is well monitored...but the subway and trains are a bit intertwined. I do not ride them daily but do the va to ny route for work on occassion and have never been searched at a train or subway station....i wonder what the west coast is like.
The airports are different...they want you to strip
[/*]

Going through the airport is a nightmare anymore too. I haven't been stripped searched yet tho. (knock on wood) I would think that there are universal codes for that tho with the FAA.. right?

[abstr]

Really, where is it...I am between DC/BALTIMORE and it is a bit lax....I like it for me, but I wonder how safe.....Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I always have to where I get on.. even my son that is 16 is required to show ID... my younger ones don't. Is it Amtrak? [/*]

[desmom]

Thanks to all for responding to the Greyhound/Amtrak question.

It looks like it is 6 of one, half dozen of another.

For those that had to show ID, did they record your name or address at anytime?

[abstr]

There are universal rules but there are also humans running it....
and there are daily briefings of security risks
Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Going through the airport is a nightmare anymore too. I haven't been stripped searched yet tho. (knock on wood) I would think that there are universal codes for that tho with the FAA.. right? [/*]

[abstr]

LMAO...i grew up privelaged and i still know that isn't the answer..but totally made me smile

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Post Bond?? :lol: [/*]

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by abstr
Really, where is it...I am between DC/BALTIMORE and it is a bit lax....I like it for me, but I wonder how safe..... [/*]

I board in Everett... which is north of Seattle. I get off in West Glacier, MT. Both places I have to show ID.. but like I said.. they also don't care that I get off there and not my stop. They occasionally walk the train asking for tickets and ID also.

[abstr]

I have some inside info...very limited...but am quite sure that it is airport to airport how well the directives are carried out.

Originally posted by andover


Naw, the airports are the same all over the country. I fly over 100,000 miles a year and have been in MANY airports. The procedure is the same....is federal government laws at all airports so it is the same boring routine. [/*]

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by desmom
Thanks to all for responding to the Greyhound/Amtrak question.

It looks like it is 6 of one, half dozen of another.

For those that had to show ID, did they record your name or address at anytime? [/*]

I always buy online so they have all that information. I am not sure how it works to purchase the tickets at the station or onboard.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes ugh.
I do know how ugly that can be; I walked away from support I found it to be less than desirable to depnd on someone so undependable, and even tho the courts ordered it; I walked away from it...but I had sole custody. I have pride, I didnt want or need this persons support. So for me that worked. I do understand that.
What I dont understand is men who want to play but dont want to pay. He brought children into the world. Until they are 18 and move out; they should be your top priority. Always. Maybe that is what's wrong today.......parenthood seems to be thought of so nonchanlantly to me at times... :shrug:
We see ppl kill; because they dont want to have to pay that support; we see ppl kill because that situation you just described is just too much; ppl dont want to go thru it; so it's easier to just walk away or kill? I think that this behavior is so selfish. So very very selfish......when did the kids stop being top priority in couples lives? And for me again that goes back to 3 kids; one income and the pressure of that reality. thats a lot for anyone.
When we put into perspective that each child cost 250,000.00 to raise and put thru college?
I guess I can also hope that in a few months or so he sends her a check if he is alive. Or a Money Order.....to at least clothe his kids. [/*]

But again. It's not about paying the money, it's about the emotional pay out of the kids and yes the husband.. I as a husband would be willing to pay the money..but if I thought that the divorce would lay a head trip on my kids whether I paid or not. I might consider just leaving, yeah, without a trace.. I have seen children pay in a way that should never be imagined (I work in this field) and where the best option would have been for someone to just go away.. If the other party in a divorce is so angry and unstable and that their interest would not be to keep the children out of it. then yeah I would look at it as a no win situation.. does anyone here think that would be how this would play out if there was a divorce on the horizon? just wondering.. trying to figritout..

[abstr]

Also the behind the scenes is a bit scary...




I have seen it from a few sides....never worked in airlines or homeland security but just got to see it from a few sides thru close people.....
i go back and forth from they don't do enough to they get too much in my business.....
Originally posted by andover


Naw, the airports are the same all over the country. I fly over 100,000 miles a year and have been in MANY airports. The procedure is the same....is federal government laws at all airports so it is the same boring routine. [/*]

[desmom]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I board in Everett... which is north of Seattle. I get off in West Glacier, MT. Both places I have to show ID.. but like I said.. they also don't care that I get off there and not my stop. They occasionally walk the train asking for tickets and ID also. [/*]

Do they record your info off your ID?

I am trying to figure out if NF could board a bus or train with out his name being on some type of manifest.

What about the ferries? Do they record names of their passengers?

TIA

[invreporter1105]

n/t,

I received a reply from Federal Way Police today regarding any possible search of Panther Lake.

Brian J. Wilson, the Chief of Police there said, "The lead agency in this investigation is the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle."

He said to contact them, but I think he may have already done so becuase the message I received from him was sent in 'Forwarded' format.

[desmom]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
n/t,

I received a reply from Federal Way Police today regarding any possible search of Panther Lake.

Brian J. Wilson, the Chief of Police there said, "The lead agency in this investigation is the King County Sheriff's Office in Seattle."

He said to contact them, but I think he may have already done so becuase the message I received from him was sent in 'Forwarded' format. [/*]

Thanks for the update.

[abstr]

i think divorced but both on the west coast...no links.
you apparently are out east? MARC isn't west coast is it? are we neighbors?

Originally posted by CAT TOY
YEs and that's new too.....because for a long time they never did once you had your ticket that was it. One day I bawled out a passenger for leaving his bags abandoned because we went into DC everyday.....and well, ya just dont do that!! Everyone was nervous, everyone was LOOKING at that black bag....staring at it; shaking their heads, finally I said WHos Bag??
Who's is it? But they only want to see your ticket usually not ID once you are on....very lax. And then the drnking on friday nights.
The Marc train is part of Amtrk over here....
Party Train
:chicken:

does anyone know if NFs parents are together or is his dad living in the phillipines? We never heard from his father...I only know about the wine label; and a reference to his home made wine...but I have no idea where he fits into this picture. I had the sense that he was in another state. Does anyone know? [/*]

[figritout]

OK last comment of the evening.. maybe..
It is not "ROCKET SCIENCE" to come in and out of this country unknown. let alone a small town. Yes in the big scheme Seattle is small peanuts.. We have terrists coming in under the wire, we have people assuming the names of dead people and collecting their social security.. Do you not think it is possible of someone as internet knowledgable as NF to accomplish this.. I could leave today.. and take a train, a bus or hitchhike and it would take awhile for anyone to track that.. and they only could if I wasn't trying to hide.. what about the child that boarded a plane (don't remember his name) and ended up states away and no one on the airline figured it out.. It is about motive here, not means..

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

does anyone know if NFs parents are together or is his dad living in the phillipines? We never heard from his father...I only know about the wine label; and a reference to his home made wine...but I have no idea where he fits into this picture. I had the sense that he was in another state. Does anyone know? [/*]

His parents both live in Vancouver, WA. They divorced in the late 1990s. Father remarried, not sure about his mother.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by desmom


Do they record your info off your ID?

I am trying to figure out if NF could board a bus or train with out his name being on some type of manifest.

What about the ferries? Do they record names of their passengers?

TIA [/*]

No.. I don't remember them ever recording my info. They check it against the ticket.. that is it.

I have never been on a ferry around here where they checked any ID... EVER.

[figritout]

Originally posted by figritout
OK last comment of the evening.. maybe..
It is not "ROCKET SCIENCE" to come in and out of this country unknown. let alone a small town. Yes in the big scheme Seattle is small peanuts.. We have terrists coming in under the wire, we have people assuming the names of dead people and collecting their social security.. Do you not think it is possible of someone as internet knowledgable as NF to accomplish this.. I could leave today.. and take a train, a bus or hitchhike and it would take awhile for anyone to track that.. and they only could if I wasn't trying to hide.. what about the child that boarded a plane (don't remember his name) and ended up states away and no one on the airline figured it out.. It is about motive here, not means.. [/*]
just so I don't get lost on the other page..

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
<snip>

does anyone know if NFs parents are together or is his dad living in the phillipines? We never heard from his father...I only know about the wine label; and a reference to his home made wine...but I have no idea where he fits into this picture. I had the sense that he was in another state. Does anyone know? [/*]

There was one brief interview with his father. Very brief. I gather he lives in Vancouver, WA and appears to be an amateur wine maker.

I thought we determined a few days ago that NF parents are divorced, and his father recently filed for separation from a different person.

Speculation strictly MO

[need2no]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


There was one brief interview with his father. Very brief. I gather he lives in Vancouver, WA and appears to be an amateur wine maker.

I thought we determined a few days ago that NF parents are divorced, and his father recently filed for separation from a different person.

Speculation strictly MO [/*]

You're right, someone explained this and provided links to the court docs. TTT maybe?

[Shimz]

ok i have a new theory... and i skimmed to see if it had already been mentioned, and it seems n/t is kind of thinking on the same path as i am...

Suppose the fingerprint analysis (or any other evidence from the car) did turn up something.. LE could very well have a poi in mind...

Maybe they are not divulging this information to the public for fear that person will go into hiding, and they are trying to find them themselves or they are building a case against them or watching them...

Then I could see why they would not let the public know anything bc it could ruin their whole investigation.. also kind of goes along with the statement that we are 30 steps behind LE...

and maybe LE saw that comment from CF's blog and had her take everything down and told her to stay low on the internet bc they don't want anything getting out that may jeopardize their investigation...

maybe i am just hopeful that they are really onto something and that this case will be resolved one way or another...

also CF's statement that she thinks he was murdered, she could very well be aware of evidence that suggests that that we are not privy to.

and also there would seem to be little reason to post fliers and do searches if they are close to solving it on their own...

JMO of course.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Envision


He would need to hide if he did not want to be found. [/*]

That's correct, but suppose he took public transportation using his own ID to go to point A, then someone picked him up at point A and drove him to point * where he is now.

[figritout]

Originally posted by andover


But I don't think he would need to "hide" to take any form of transportation, he is not doing anything illegal to travel to most any place he would like. I don't see LE trying to track him since he hasn't broken any laws if he did travel. He could simply use his own ID and go wherever he wants. Now, if the family chose to hire a PI to find out where he is that is a different story. [/*]

If he was trying to disappear he would go under the wire.. He would want to vanish. It's alot easier than people might think. Look at what we are facing here in America.. people are going under the wire right and left. hence the hightened? security. If you are already in the country do you think that are paying alot of attention? and if you are leaving, fake id is being used all the time.. and again look at motive. If I were NF and facing what to me IMO might be impossible. perhaps a divorce.. where things were not going to be nice.. that is my word..where the children would suffer whether I paid child support or not. where for them the better scenario would be if I was just gone.. rather than put them through what would be the most damaging thing in their lives.. You know.. Money isn't everything..

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz
ok i have a new theory... and i skimmed to see if it had already been mentioned, and it seems n/t is kind of thinking on the same path as i am...

Suppose the fingerprint analysis (or any other evidence from the car) did turn up something.. LE could very well have a poi in mind...

Maybe they are not divulging this information to the public for fear that person will go into hiding, and they are trying to find them themselves or they are building a case against them or watching them...

Then I could see why they would not let the public know anything bc it could ruin their whole investigation.. also kind of goes along with the statement that we are 30 steps behind LE...

and maybe LE saw that comment from CF's blog and had her take everything down and told her to stay low on the internet bc they don't want anything getting out that may jeopardize their investigation...

maybe i am just hopeful that they are really onto something and that this case will be resolved one way or another...

also CF's statement that she thinks he was murdered, she could very well be aware of evidence that suggests that that we are not privy to.

and also there would seem to be little reason to post fliers and do searches if they are close to solving it on their own...

JMO of course. [/*]


Small point but...the public already knows LE has/had the car and was checking it for prints, no secret there.

If LE has a POI in mind based on finger prints found in the car the person would have to be a criminal to have their prints on file. If there is someone involved and they have previously been arrested they are probably already being cautious, or have taken off since it's been over a month.

I believe Harlett stated LE advised CF to take down everything.

CF said from the very beginning she suspected foul play, long before LE had time to investigate. I doubt LE would tell CF they believed NF has been murdered unless they have a real good basis for which to draw that conclusion, like finding a body.

Unless LE has some concrete evidence and has solved the crime but not made an arrest it would be foolish to take down the missing person flyers...what if they are wrong?

I do agree LE will hold things close to the vest as they should in order to protect the investigation. Meanwhile the public incorrectly believes they are doing nothing. For all we know they could be days away from resolving this case. I sure hope so!

[need2no]

Originally posted by Envision


He went to art school and was a designer...I am almost positive he could make his own pretty authentic looking fake ID without a problem. [/*]

Yep, and add to that he is computer savvy.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Shimz
ok i have a new theory... and i skimmed to see if it had already been mentioned, and it seems n/t is kind of thinking on the same path as i am...

Suppose the fingerprint analysis (or any other evidence from the car) did turn up something.. LE could very well have a poi in mind...

Maybe they are not divulging this information to the public for fear that person will go into hiding, and they are trying to find them themselves or they are building a case against them or watching them...

Then I could see why they would not let the public know anything bc it could ruin their whole investigation.. also kind of goes along with the statement that we are 30 steps behind LE...

and maybe LE saw that comment from CF's blog and had her take everything down and told her to stay low on the internet bc they don't want anything getting out that may jeopardize their investigation...

maybe i am just hopeful that they are really onto something and that this case will be resolved one way or another...

also CF's statement that she thinks he was murdered, she could very well be aware of evidence that suggests that that we are not privy to.

and also there would seem to be little reason to post fliers and do searches if they are close to solving it on their own...

JMO of course. [/*]

Definitely something to think about.... IIRC wife mentioned murder theory right at the beginning, with conviction, even before the car was found. But later, remember, she changed to "if he's out there, he needs to call home," or some such terminology.

It would be great to know LE has reasonable speculation about what may have happened, but I'm not too confident.

[figritout]

Well it is sad to see the posts here are twindling.. Only a few are posting to each other and replying. I guess it is going to go the way of many of the sessions I have seen.. I hope to hear NF has been found..

[SeattleEddie]

Also, it seems there would be more active searching if there's even the slightest suspicion of a crime.

On another topic, where are wife parents? Does she have parents? There was some mention of a sister. But about any family on her side, the silence is deafening.

Speculation strictly MO.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


OH Ty TTT; I did have that partly right thanks. I wish that we would hear from him..TT did you go thru the whole mos of waiting to hear from MaryBS with us here?
CT [/*]

No, I just joined the board last month because I've been following Nicholas's case. Honestly I don't know how you all do it, hanging in there for weeks and months trying to figure out or find out what happened to people who've gone missing. I can tell there is a lot of sincere caring here. But gosh what an emotional roller coaster some of these cases must be! Kudos to you and everyone who is so committed to caring here. :rose:

[SeattleEddie]

good night CT. I'm going that way too.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by Envision
I don't think Harlett said it was LE who advised CF to take down pics and such. I think she just said CF was advised. I really doubt LE would tell her to do so as they would want to track traffic through those websites for any activity that could be NF. [/*]

True! Good thinking, Envision.

[invreporter1105]

I just wanted to post a little quote from CF. She made this statement tonight. I am not a spokesperson for her, and I remain objective in this case, but I just wanted to throw this out there for anyone who might be interestd. I hope CF doesn't mind for me posting this.



"Night is the worst time .... I went to bed with my husband every night for 7 years and now, I am alone, I wake up alone and it looks like I will be raising my children alone. I never signed up for "alone". -Christine Francisco

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Envision


Where did she do this? [/*]

I was wondering this, too. Also if she is talking to him why he would betray her by posting what she had said after she had deleted so much. Private discussion should remain private.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


I was wondering this, too. Also if she is talking to him why he would betray her by posting what she had said after she had deleted so much. Private discussion should remain private. [/*]

Because this statement is reletive to what she is feeling at the moment. Unless you have been following this story, you wouldn't know why I posted this.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~


Sorry, I am admittedly coming in a bit late but trying to read up on this case.

Is the wife a suspect? [/*]

No, she is not. Not up to this point.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~


Sorry, I am admittedly coming in a bit late but trying to read up on this case.

Is the wife a suspect? [/*]

No, just I don't feel private communication should be posted. If she had wanted this to be public she would have posted it in her blog.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


No, just I don't feel private communication should be posted. If she had wanted this to be public she would have posted it in her blog. [/*]

I only post on this board when I beleive it is something of importance. I apologize if it has caused a controversy.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


I only post on this board when I beleive it is something of importance. I apologize if it has caused a controversy. [/*]

Hi invreporter

Where did Christine state this? Not sure if you answered this. I may have missed it.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Maranantha


Gee, I was under the impression that you were all "sleuths". Now you say that others can't find a thread? And you think you can find Nic?

Allow me the :rolleyes: that you all use so many times when others don't walk in lock step with your party line.

[/*]

LOL, that was a good one, Maranantha, Thank you for saying that. :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


I only post on this board when I beleive it is something of importance. I apologize if it has caused a controversy. [/*]

Don't worry about it - seems every thing causes a controversy on this board. I however did see a post that is quite different in nature. She has asked for prayers for a home.

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

Where is Musterion when I need her? :)

[carterkatt]

Go Rainy! Be ready to tuck into your turtle shell! LOL!

Will check in later.

Happy "Good Friday" all - perhaps the Easter weekend will answer prayers for many of us, for many different things!

Be safe if " you all" travel this weekend!!!

TTYL!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Go Rainy! Be ready to tuck into your turtle shell! LOL!

[/*]

LOL flame suit is on....
Somewhere along the way it seems that Nicholas has become forgotten - he is the one missing - not Christine.

When CF asked for people to spread the word through their MySpace and blogs, people responded. However, she has not done what she asked of others.

There are numerous support blogs set up for her and only one set up for Nicholas and that was done by a member here.

From the quote INVReporter sent she talks of being alone. I hate that for her and her children; however I wonder if Nicholas is alone somewhere - lost and confused. Or did he die alone at the hands of a criminal? or is he floating in a lake somewhere - alone?

For Nicholas wherever you are - hoping you are not alone and in need....

:rose:

[abstr]

I do understand that but that doesn't reassure me so much. The government trips over itself sometimes.
Originally posted by andover


To a certain extent yes, but all airports in the country are governed by TSA and all the people in the security areas are TSA employees. They do not use any contract people or non TSA employees in any secure positions. [/*]

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Don't worry about it - seems every thing causes a controversy on this board. I however did see a post that is quite different in nature. She has asked for prayers for a home.

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

Where is Musterion when I need her? :) [/*]

Good Morning Rainy :seeya:
Good Morning Everyone :)

She just can't stop can she??? It's always about her - poor Nicholas, he's invisiable in her posts. JMOO

[abstr]

We like it old school here ...ok, just amusing myself. Please do not complain, it's already soooo darn expensive to live here!
Hang on tight to the straps :)
I read the crime statistics in Seattle and it still shocks me that Nick could just disappear. I guess I am jaded by our murder a day lifestyle here......

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Ah we might be. Yes I'm a CA Transplant, east coast west coaster hehe. Marc trains are OLD arnt they?? I was a straphanger for a good while.
CT [/*]

[abstr]

just thinking..and i hope i dont get in trouble for being a bit off topic....but God forbid my family ever is examined, a chart would be needed but no one would hurt a fly....
I understand we are trying to figure it out, just saying if marriage and divorce is taken in consideration many of my family members would be suspects :)
Originally posted by SeattleEddie


There was one brief interview with his father. Very brief. I gather he lives in Vancouver, WA and appears to be an amateur wine maker.

I thought we determined a few days ago that NF parents are divorced, and his father recently filed for separation from a different person.

Speculation strictly MO [/*]

[abstr]

but....if i wanted to disappear, i would think that my family and friends would be looking for me....
they would hunt for ages...........
wouldn't they?
and.....i guess i have an issue that his family and friends arent going insane getting the word out.....i wish they would explain.

Originally posted by andover


But I don't think he would need to "hide" to take any form of transportation, he is not doing anything illegal to travel to most any place he would like. I don't see LE trying to track him since he hasn't broken any laws if he did travel. He could simply use his own ID and go wherever he wants. Now, if the family chose to hire a PI to find out where he is that is a different story. [/*]

[abstr]

All Abstr....All the time :)
Sorry to make light.
Let's find Nicholas.....someone, somewhere must know something!

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

Speed reading again this morning. I was hoping Harlett would answer my questions on page 1 of this thread but I guess she hasn't had the time. If anyone from her board who is following this case has the answer, it would be greatly appreciated. I think knowing where the searches were already done is a key element in finding out what may have happened to Nicholas.
invreporter, maybe you would know??

Rainy, thank for the link. I must say I'm shocked that she would pray for a house. Isn't that bizarre when you're husband is missing?

Beth, thanks so much for getting a hold of all your contacts. I agree, something needs to be done because it looks like nothing is. Well none that the public is aware of. Maybe the locals can fill us in. I would think if there was anything done, it would be posted on her blog(s).

Still hoping and praying Nicholas is safe. Today is Good Friday, Nick, please find it in your heart to call someone.

Easter is a time for Peace. :rose:

[isitme]

I understand that housing is a big issue for her now. She should be concerned with that and looking into a solutions. If her mortgage is paid for April she probably has another 90 days after that before the bank forecloses, maybe more depending on the states laws. And while asking for prayer for that situation is not in and of itself a bad thing it just seems to me that all of the posts made by her are self serving. Where is her declaration of love for NF? Where are the pleas for him to come? Where are her pleas to help find him and anyone that may have harmed him?

Sad, very sad.


JMHO and MOO folks.

[decor]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I always have to where I get on.. even my son that is 16 is required to show ID... my younger ones don't. Is it Amtrak? [/*]

not sure. will have to ask her.

[soyesterday]

I'm so sad for Nick today.
I really really really want him to be ok.
I know we all do.
I wish someone from his family would tell him publicly how much they love him and need him to be home.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by soyesterday
I'm so sad for Nick today.
I really really really want him to be ok.
I know we all do.
I wish someone from his family would tell him publicly how much they love him and need him to be home. [/*]

I don't know if this is ok to post or not, but i saw the lyrics to a song today...the whole song is pretty intense and sad and talks about standing over his grave and how much she missing him and stuff, but this part stuck out at me and made me cry...

I just don't know what to do with myself
I cant stand looking at those pictures on my shelf
Knowing it was just one week ago, i stood there and took that picture
There just one thing that I wanna know
Why would God want to hurt me so bad,
Does He know how much it hurts to be missing you
Baby Im missing you
Baby Im missing you
I love you


I'm just so sad for Nick........and his family....

[soyesterday]

I also saw this poem and made me think of his poor kids....
what it will be like to live a lifetime w/out their daddy.....i so hope he comes home safe and sound soon, so they don't have to know what this feels like for the rest of their lives.....

I Miss You Daddy
by Dana Marie

Daddy come back.
I want you back.
Why did you have to go.
It's just not the same without you.
We still get mail with your name on it.
It makes me sad every time i see the envelopes.
Mommy's always crying.
She's always yelling too.
She makes me cry a lot but not as much as you.
I'm always thinking about you.
Your always making me teary-eyed.
I love you daddy why did you have to go.
I miss you a lot but you obviously don't know.
Otherwise you wouldn't have had to go.
God makes me mad because he took you away.
It's hard not to cry in church but i go anyway.
Sometimes when I'm all alone and i have time to think.
I think about you and i cry and cry and cry.
Some people think "oh you should be over this"
But then i think to myself you don't know how it feels to be in this pain
or to how hard it is to make it go away.
Councilors try to help me but they don't help at all.
My head hurts all the time, especially when I'm about to cry.
Its hard to type down these words as tears blur up my eyes.
When i try to speak about you i choke and then i start to cry
I miss you daddy why did you have to go.

[RainyNiteNTx]

In the John DeLatte case it seems some people tried to point out where his car could have gone into the canal, but it was ignored.

Since CF has said she feels NF was murdered and feels Panther Lake should be searched, I would hope they would take that to heart and search that lake.

This will be their first real holiday without him and I so hope and pray there will be an Easter miracle.

[n/t]

Originally posted by andover


hmmmmm, what's wrong with the home she has? It's paid up through April.....has she already listed the home she is in for sale? She would probably want to sell that home before moving into a new home. [/*]

I agree. What is wrong with the home she already has?

What if Nicholas is still alive? He's only been missing for 5 weeks!

I don't know about housing prices in that area but I would guess buying a home is really expensive. Not sure what she's thinking. I hope she consulted that financial adviser she said she would.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning all,

Speed reading again this morning. I was hoping Harlett would answer my questions on page 1 of this thread but I guess she hasn't had the time. If anyone from her board who is following this case has the answer, it would be greatly appreciated. I think knowing where the searches were already done is a key element in finding out what may have happened to Nicholas.
invreporter, maybe you would know??

Rainy, thank for the link. I must say I'm shocked that she would pray for a house. Isn't that bizarre when you're husband is missing?

Beth, thanks so much for getting a hold of all your contacts. I agree, something needs to be done because it looks like nothing is. Well none that the public is aware of. Maybe the locals can fill us in. I would think if there was anything done, it would be posted on her blog(s).

Still hoping and praying Nicholas is safe. Today is Good Friday, Nick, please find it in your heart to call someone.

Easter is a time for Peace. :rose: [/*]

she asked for a home which to me is different than a house. A home would be anyplace that they could live whether it belonged to them or not. A house would belong to them.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
In the John DeLatte case it seems some people tried to point out where his car could have gone into the canal, but it was ignored.

Since CF has said she feels NF was murdered and feels Panther Lake should be searched, I would hope they would take that to heart and search that lake.

This will be their first real holiday without him and I so hope and pray there will be an Easter miracle. [/*]

I didn't follow that case but when you say "it was ignored", do you mean LE didn't bother checking there eventhough it was the most obvious place to look?

Is that what is happening with Nicholas? How do we convince LE that they should search the lake? Or even the park? Can we write them? Maybe the people can sign a petition? I don't know. Just thinking of ways to get them to start looking for him.

[decor]

I'm sure she goes back and forth on this, believing that he was murdered and then maybe he did leave, just like the rest of us.

If at some point she switched over and decided that maybe he did actually leave her, but has no proof to inform others, but suspects, she wouldn't mention him at all anywhere. Why would she?

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


she asked for a home which to me is different than a house. A home would be anyplace that they could live whether it belonged to them or not. A house would belong to them. [/*]

She has a home!

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor
I'm sure she goes back and forth on this, believing that he was murdered and then maybe he did leave, just like the rest of us.

If at some point she switched over and decided that maybe he did actually leave her, but has no proof to inform others, but suspects, she wouldn't mention him at all anywhere. Why would she? [/*]

I don't get what you're saying.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


She has a home! [/*]

didn't someone just post that she is probably going to lose it?

she can't sell it without his signature so she will have to let the bank take it over.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't get what you're saying. [/*]

If she has decided that he did desert them, even if there is no proof, she would be hurt, angry, etc.
Why would she want to post his picture and do anything for him if she feels he did this to her.

[isitme]

Originally posted by andover


hmmmmm, what's wrong with the home she has? It's paid up through April.....has she already listed the home she is in for sale? She would probably want to sell that home before moving into a new home. [/*]

Listing the house for sale may not be an option since NF's name is probably on the deed and he is not around to sign off on it. And she can't havedeclared legally deceased for 7 years. So sadly it appears IMHO that she will have to let it be foreclosed.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


didn't someone just post that she is probably going to lose it?

she can't sell it without his signature so she will have to let the bank take it over. [/*]

I didn't see that posted anywhere. From what I remember, the mortgage is paid for April. She was going to consult with a financial adviser. Whether she did or not, I don't know. In my opinion, I do not believe a bank would throw a pregnant woman and her two kids out on the street. I'm sure they would do whatever possible to help her with the payments. However, she will have to get a job! If she wants to keep the home, she will have to make sacrifices. Nothing is for free.

JMO!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I didn't follow that case but when you say "it was ignored", do you mean LE didn't bother checking there eventhough it was the most obvious place to look?

Is that what is happening with Nicholas? How do we convince LE that they should search the lake? Or even the park? Can we write them? Maybe the people can sign a petition? I don't know. Just thinking of ways to get them to start looking for him. [/*]

I didn't follow it either but was reading some articles and comments last night. Evidently there was a place in the road where some barricade type poles were knocked down going into the canal. A couple of people reported it and it was only after the second person reported it that LE sent divers down. They saw nothing, so drained the canal and saw the top of his explorer. Again, this is what I have read.

[Shelby1]

OMG I've been wandering around the Nicholas forum lost and lonely for 2 hours.

I forgot there was a holiday board :o

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


I didn't see that posted anywhere. From what I remember, the mortgage is paid for April. She was going to consult with a financial adviser. Whether she did or not, I don't know. In my opinion, I do not believe a bank would throw a pregnant woman and her two kids out on the street. I'm sure they would do whatever possible to help her with the payments. However, she will have to get a job! If she wants to keep the home, she will have to make sacrifices. Nothing is for free.

JMO! [/*]

she has a financial adviser that I assume the bank helped her with because of the donations.
maybe he told her to start making plans.
she has Apr. paid but that only lasts until the end of April. I think it takes 6 months to get someone out but who wants that hanging over their head if they can get out sooner. It might also take that much time to just find somewhere to live that she can afford. No matter what kind of job she gets, I doubt she is going to have a starting salary that is compared to what Nick was getting
Even Nick's salary wasn't enough for them to make it, so she would have to have several jobs to bring in what Nick brought in and enough money for day care which she didn't need before and enough time to take care of her kids.

[decor]

Originally posted by Shelby1
OMG I've been wandering around the Nicholas forum lost and lonely for 2 hours.

I forgot there was a holiday board :o [/*]

okay I only emailed those that were newly registered this year assuming that older participants would know. maybe I should go back later today and email anyone who has been a regular and hasn't shown up :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


okay I only emailed those that were newly registered this year assuming that older participants would know. maybe I should go back later today and email anyone who has been a regular and hasn't shown up :) [/*]

I was not nearly as organized as you - between laundry and supper if I saw someone sitting in the treetops or if someone PMed me I let them know.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


If she has decided that he did desert them, even if there is no proof, she would be hurt, angry, etc.
Why would she want to post his picture and do anything for him if she feels he did this to her. [/*]

Why have people search for him then? If she feels he took off on her and she's not willing to cooperate by posting pictures or helping with searches, then she should be upfront and advise LE and the public not to waste time and resources in looking for him. I'm basing my reply on your post. I have no idea what she thinks or believes but I must say one thing, if one of my loved ones was missing and there was no proof whatsoever that he left me, I would NOT give up. Even if I thought it was foul play, I'd want him found and the perps who could've done this to him rotting in jail.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


okay I only emailed those that were newly registered this year assuming that older participants would know. maybe I should go back later today and email anyone who has been a regular and hasn't shown up :) [/*]

Hey, no sweat!

I wasn't thinking this morning and I kept wondering why n/t or someone hadn't started a thread for today lol.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


she asked for a home which to me is different than a house. A home would be anyplace that they could live whether it belonged to them or not. A house would belong to them. [/*]

Oh brother!

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I didn't follow it either but was reading some articles and comments last night. Evidently there was a place in the road where some barricade type poles were knocked down going into the canal. A couple of people reported it and it was only after the second person reported it that LE sent divers down. They saw nothing, so drained the canal and saw the top of his explorer. Again, this is what I have read. [/*]

Thanks Rainy. That's the problem with this case, there is nothing at this time to indicate foul play so I could understand why perhaps nothing is being done in regards to searching the lake.

Sad but reality. I don't know if they would just go by someone's instinct. I doubt it. Unless someone saw something suspicious.

There are no tips, no leads in this case or none that we are aware of. :(

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Hey, no sweat!

I wasn't thinking this morning and I kept wondering why n/t or someone hadn't started a thread for today lol. [/*]

lol Shelby - yeah n/t was being very lazy this am huh?

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Why have people search for him then? If she feels he took off on her and she's not willing to cooperate by posting pictures or helping with searches, then she should be upfront and advise LE and the public not to waste time and resources in looking for him. I'm basing my reply on your post. I have no idea what she thinks or believes but I must say one thing, if one of my loved ones was missing and there was no proof whatsoever that he left me, I would NOT give up. Even if I thought it was foul play, I'd want him found and the perps who could've done this to him rotting in jail. [/*]

because somewhere inside there is still hope. but if she has been pretty much convinced that he left her then I would think that she would pretty much give up.

as far as letting others search, I would think she would still want him found so she could at least file for child support. and as I said there is always that little flame of hope.

I don't think we can begin to imagine the emotions she has been put thru in 5 weeks, husband gone, murdered, hurt, deserted. not knowing. an entire lifestyle change for her from a SAHM to having to support a family of 4 by herself. Being pregnant which ravages your moods anyway. I'm sure, eventually losing her home.

This is a LOT for anyone one person to have to go thru.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Hey, no sweat!

I wasn't thinking this morning and I kept wondering why n/t or someone hadn't started a thread for today lol. [/*]

Oh you found us. :tongue:

[decor]

Originally posted by andover


So true, is so hard to make it on one salary these days. I am also a single female and sole provider for my household, definitely not an easy job. And....not an option for her to try to hold down multiple jobs with a young family at home....sad, so sad. Maybe she could stay with family or friends until she is able to figure everything out. [/*]

not sure what kind of support system she has and whether a lot of the support in the beginning was because of Nicholas and not her. she may not have the option of moving in with family.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Thanks Rainy. That's the problem with this case, there is nothing at this time to indicate foul play so I could understand why perhaps nothing is being done in regards to searching the lake.

Sad but reality. I don't know if they would just go by someone's instinct. I doubt it. Unless someone saw something suspicious.

There are no tips, no leads in this case or none that we are aware of. :( [/*]

Okay question for anyone in LE - past LE - whatever.

If a family had the money, could they get authorization from the city or county or governing body to orchestrate a search like this themselves? I'm talking about with professional divers.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


because somewhere inside there is still hope. but if she has been pretty much convinced that he left her then I would think that she would pretty much give up.

as far as letting others search, I would think she would still want him found so she could at least file for child support. and as I said there is always that little flame of hope.

I don't think we can begin to imagine the emotions she has been put thru in 5 weeks, husband gone, murdered, hurt, deserted. not knowing. an entire lifestyle change for her from a SAHM to having to support a family of 4 by herself. Being pregnant which ravages your moods anyway. I'm sure, eventually losing her home.

This is a LOT for anyone one person to have to go thru. [/*]


I would have to agree with you that it would take a great toll on someone IF they didn't know. I guess that's where you and I differ in this case.

I believe Christine knew he was leaving. I think they had problems in their marriage. Maybe Nicholas even threatened to leave her in the past but she never thought he'd do it. I think his family knows too.

Again, all my opinion.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


Oh you found us. :tongue: [/*]


:punch: You were hiding from me


:D

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


not sure what kind of support system she has and whether a lot of the support in the beginning was because of Nicholas and not her. she may not have the option of moving in with family. [/*]

Well, from what we've seen, it seems to me that both families are not that close. Just basing my opinion on his mom calling her "the wife" and no involvement by them. But who knows, maybe they're supporting her behind the scenes. :shrug:

[isitme]

Originally posted by n/t



I would have to agree with you that it would take a great toll on someone IF they didn't know. I guess that's where you and I differ in this case.

I believe Christine knew he was leaving. I think they had problems in their marriage. Maybe Nicholas even threatened to leave her in the past but she never thought he'd do it. I think his family knows too.

Again, all my opinion. [/*]

Ditto.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t



I would have to agree with you that it would take a great toll on someone IF they didn't know. I guess that's where you and I differ in this case.

I believe Christine knew he was leaving. I think they had problems in their marriage. Maybe Nicholas even threatened to leave her in the past but she never thought he'd do it. I think his family knows too.

Again, all my opinion. [/*]

and you could be right. but if she hasn't accepted that she is still putting herself thru an emotional roller coaster and I am not sure she could control that if that is her personality. maybe it has just taken this much time to accept it.

[n/t]

Originally posted by andover


The Federal Government has a program called Section 8 housing (or something like that). IMO she would be a perfect candidate. It needs to be applied for and is based on need, I would think a pregnant female with 2 toddlers and a husband that is missing would be given priority. It is a program that you pay a small percentage of the rent and the government pays the rest. I hope someone lets her know about this wonderful program. [/*]

Thanks for that info, andover. Hope someone told her. :)

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay question for anyone in LE - past LE - whatever.

If a family had the money, could they get authorization from the city or county or governing body to orchestrate a search like this themselves? I'm talking about with professional divers. [/*]

My nephew is a police officer. He's here right now, so when he gets a break, I'll ask him.

I, too, wonder if Christine has family she could stay with?

Also, how would a bank or mortgage company react if they were told the circumstances? Would they give a grace period, or are the rules set in stone that the minute a payment is missed the house is foreclosed on?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1


My nephew is a police officer. He's here right now, so when he gets a break, I'll ask him.

I, too, wonder if Christine has family she could stay with?

Also, how would a bank or mortgage company react if they were told the circumstances? Would they give a grace period, or are the rules set in stone that the minute a payment is missed the house is foreclosed on? [/*]

Thanks Shelby :seeya:

[n/t]

o/t going to make pancakes for my son. BBL.

Keep the ideas rolling. :seeya:

[decor]

Originally posted by Shelby1


My nephew is a police officer. He's here right now, so when he gets a break, I'll ask him.

I, too, wonder if Christine has family she could stay with?

Also, how would a bank or mortgage company react if they were told the circumstances? Would they give a grace period, or are the rules set in stone that the minute a payment is missed the house is foreclosed on? [/*]

I am sure they would feel really bad but if they see she has no income or there won't be any until after she has the baby or she cannot find a job with a large enough income they will go thru like any other case. they are in the business for the money and you know how that goes.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by andover


The Federal Government has a program called Section 8 housing (or something like that). IMO she would be a perfect candidate. It needs to be applied for and is based on need, I would think a pregnant female with 2 toddlers and a husband that is missing would be given priority. It is a program that you pay a small percentage of the rent and the government pays the rest. I hope someone lets her know about this wonderful program. [/*]

You bring up a good point. I wonder if there are advocates to help guide people in this type of situation. Even though she is not THE victim, she is A victim if he met with foul play.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


You bring up a good point. I wonder if there are advocates to help guide people in this type of situation. Even though she is not THE victim, she is A victim if he met with foul play. [/*]

there is an organization...I can't think of the name right now. Laci's mom used them...darn it is to early for me LOL

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


You bring up a good point. I wonder if there are advocates to help guide people in this type of situation. Even though she is not THE victim, she is A victim if he met with foul play. [/*]

I think he is a victim only if he met with foul play.

I think she is a victim no matter what. if he met with foul play she will be better off because her kids can get SS. but if he just deserted she is a victim because he left everything up to her to take care of.

If they had separated and then divorced then I wouldn't see them either of them as victims.

[desmom]

I am not familiar with WA foreclosure laws. Locally, a missed house payment will bring a letter, 2nd missed payment brings a nasty letter and 3rd missed payment is usually notice of foreclosure proceedings. The foreclosure usually takes about 5-6 months and sometimes longer.

If it works the same way in WA, CF could probably stay in the house until the end of the year. That would give her time to find a full time position and save a little for a new home.

IMO, if she is planning on moving, she should use this time to declutter her home and look for anything out of the norm - items missing or items she has never seen before. They could be clues to what has happened to NF.

jmo

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I was not nearly as organized as you - between laundry and supper if I saw someone sitting in the treetops or if someone PMed me I let them know. [/*]

okay. I thought maybe you had PM'd most of them :)

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


there is an organization...I can't think of the name right now. Laci's mom used them...darn it is to early for me LOL [/*]

Is it the Carol Sund foundation or something like that?

[Shelby1]

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Is it the Carol Sund foundation or something like that? [/*]

Yes...thank you Shelby! I knew one of you young ones would remember :D

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/ [/*]

I remember Sharon talking about how wonderful they were to her. They were her spokespeople at the begining of Laci's disappearance

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I remember Sharon talking about how wonderful they were to her. They were her spokespeople at the begining of Laci's disappearance [/*]

I do, too.

I think she could guide Christine in many beneficial ways.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


okay. I thought maybe you had PM'd most of them :) [/*]

no sorry :o

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/ [/*]

Hopefully if she is still reading, she will see this link and contact them.

Thanks Shelby

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay question for anyone in LE - past LE - whatever.

If a family had the money, could they get authorization from the city or county or governing body to orchestrate a search like this themselves? I'm talking about with professional divers. [/*]

Rainy - are you talking about Lake Panther? And if it's a public lake anyone could dive there for her - she could get on a radio station and ask for any certified diver if they would like to help out. We did that in Calif, searching for a loved one in a Lake. I bet there are alot of divers there with it being surrounded by water. jmoo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Rainy - are you talking about Lake Panther? And if it's a public lake anyone could dive there for her - she could get on a radio station and ask for any certified diver if they would like to help out. We did that in Calif, searching for a loved one in a Lake. I bet there are alot of divers there with it being surrounded by water. jmoo [/*]

I bet she would get a lot of responses from that Danette.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hopefully if she is still reading, she will see this link and contact them.

Thanks Shelby [/*]

That was a sad case - they took all thier donations and built that in honor of his wife daughter and her friend. Gary Stayner ( Stevens brother) did that horrible crime. Hope she contacts them - Nicholas has been gone way to long.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Danette44


That was a sad case - they took all thier donations and built that in honor of his wife daughter and her friend. Gary Stayner ( Stevens brother) did that horrible crime. Hope she contacts them - Nicholas has been gone way to long. [/*]

yes it was...one of the saddest. :(

[Danette44]

Originally posted by decor


and you could be right. but if she hasn't accepted that she is still putting herself thru an emotional roller coaster and I am not sure she could control that if that is her personality. maybe it has just taken this much time to accept it. [/*]

decor- she has so much help around her now that if she knew anything it's time to fess up - people are spending $'s that they probably don't have either but want to help - you have Harlett and Grande giving her all the support and resources would it be fair to waste people that are so involved in missing person (s) cases? jmoo

[desmom]

Originally posted by andover


The Federal Government has a program called Section 8 housing (or something like that). IMO she would be a perfect candidate. It needs to be applied for and is based on need, I would think a pregnant female with 2 toddlers and a husband that is missing would be given priority. It is a program that you pay a small percentage of the rent and the government pays the rest. I hope someone lets her know about this wonderful program. [/*]

http://www.seattlehousing.org/Housing/downloads.html#listings

She should also qualify for WIC
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/wicsites.htm

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree. What is wrong with the home she already has?

What if Nicholas is still alive? He's only been missing for 5 weeks!

I don't know about housing prices in that area but I would guess buying a home is really expensive. Not sure what she's thinking. I hope she consulted that financial adviser she said she would. [/*]

Do you REALLY think she's thinking of BUYING a home????
I don't......

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


Do you REALLY think she's thinking of BUYING a home????
I don't...... [/*]

I don't know for sure. But in my opinion, she's once again sending a message to Nicholas.

These kids will have no daddy.

God help us find a new home.

And other statements.

Maybe she's trying to make him feel guilty for what he's done, if he took off on them.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Danette44


decor- she has so much help around her now that if she knew anything it's time to fess up - people are spending $'s that they probably don't have either but want to help - you have Harlett and Grande giving her all the support and resources would it be fair to waste people that are so involved in missing person (s) cases? jmoo [/*]

If she thinks he took off on her, then he's a deadbeat dad. Finding him shouldn't be a Nation wide search for a missing man, right?:shrug:

[figritout]

Originally posted by n/t



I would have to agree with you that it would take a great toll on someone IF they didn't know. I guess that's where you and I differ in this case.

I believe Christine knew he was leaving. I think they had problems in their marriage. Maybe Nicholas even threatened to leave her in the past but she never thought he'd do it. I think his family knows too.

Again, all my opinion. [/*]

Ditto, jmo..

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't know for sure. But in my opinion, she's once again sending a message to Nicholas.

These kids will have no daddy.

God help us find a new home.

And other statements.

Maybe she's trying to make him feel guilty for what he's done, if he took off on them. [/*]

I was thinking of more of a message to the public.
You know...like...."give me a free home"..... :chicken:

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t


If she thinks he took off on her, then he's a deadbeat dad. Finding him shouldn't be a Nation wide search for a missing man, right?:shrug: [/*]

I am not sure he would be considered a deadbeat dad YET.
Publicis did pay him after he disappeared. The checks were probably for hours already worked.

The pay that was deposited into their account is probably a lot more than she would get in court order child support.

jmo

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by desmom
I am not familiar with WA foreclosure laws. Locally, a missed house payment will bring a letter, 2nd missed payment brings a nasty letter and 3rd missed payment is usually notice of foreclosure proceedings. The foreclosure usually takes about 5-6 months and sometimes longer.

If it works the same way in WA, CF could probably stay in the house until the end of the year. That would give her time to find a full time position and save a little for a new home.

IMO, if she is planning on moving, she should use this time to declutter her home and look for anything out of the norm - items missing or items she has never seen before. They could be clues to what has happened to NF.

jmo [/*]

I don't know whether Christine would have any money left to save, if she got a job, because she has 2 children to be taken care of if she goes out to work.
I also wonder what her chances of getting a job are, given that she is pregnant.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Don't worry about it - seems every thing causes a controversy on this board. I however did see a post that is quite different in nature. She has asked for prayers for a home.

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

Where is Musterion when I need her? :) [/*]


What is wrong with the home you're in now? God has already provided you with a home and it's paid up through April, isn't it? I just don't understand. Do you need a cheaper home? Is your family helping you? Are funds still coming in? Have you talked with your bank about your present mortgage? Are you wanting another home to buy? How would you pay for it without a job? Wouldn't you be in the same boat....just a different house? What? I just don't understand.

[desmom]

On the http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ site it says his hobbies are Type setting, Old fashion print pressing and mechanically inclined.

We have a 3rd generation family owned printing company in our little community. They often hire temps when they have big jobs. A lot of their equipment is quite old, but it keeps chugging away and is still in operation.

Could NF be working for a Mom & Pop printing company in some little burg?

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Nellie



What is wrong with the home you're in now? God has already provided you with a home and it's paid up through April, isn't it? I just don't understand. Do you need a cheaper home? Is your family helping you? Are funds still coming in? Have you talked with your bank about your present mortgage? Are you wanting another home to buy? How would you pay for it without a job? Wouldn't you be in the same boat....just a different house? What? I just don't understand. [/*]

I have all the same questions that you do, Nellie.

[desmom]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


I don't know whether Christine would have any money left to save, if she got a job, because she has 2 children to be taken care of if she goes out to work.
I also wonder what her chances of getting a job are, given that she is pregnant. [/*]

If she is living in the house during the foreclosure, why couldn't she save money?

She can't work because she is pregnant? IMO, her pregnancy may be an asset in job hunting. An employer might see how dedicated she is to provide for her children and give her a chance.

We have agencies that help single mothers with daycare expenses. I am sure they have the same programs in WA.

jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom


I am not sure he would be considered a deadbeat dad YET.
Publicis did pay him after he disappeared. The checks were probably for hours already worked.

The pay that was deposited into their account is probably a lot more than she would get in court order child support.

jmo [/*]

True. I hadn't thought of that. I guess I was more thinking about future payments if he doesn't show up, if leaving is what he did.

Again, I still believe Christine knows something. I don't believe Nicholas just upped and left his family. For all we know, he may have had a bag with personal belongings in the trunk of his car.

I go back to those several calls that day that Christine mentioned. Like I said, one or two calls makes sense. All spouses call each other during a lunch break. There must've been a good reason for her to call him several times. Maybe begging him to come home and not go through with it??? Dead cell phone. He may have wanted it dead so she wouldn't constantly be calling him?

[wondering?]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

The Mars Hills Release.... [/*]

Go to 3/20 message from Christine and it looks like she is looking to rent a home.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by desmom


If she is living in the house during the foreclosure, why couldn't she save money?

She can't work because she is pregnant? IMO, her pregnancy may be an asset in job hunting. An employer might see how dedicated she is to provide for her children and give her a chance.

We have agencies that help single mothers with daycare expenses. I am sure they have the same programs in WA.

jmo [/*]

I figured her salary, if she found a job, would cover their practical daily expenses, such as food, utilites, daycare etc.

Good to hear that there may be support for single moms needing to utilise daycare.

Of course she can work if she is pregnant, but, in my experience, businesses don't take on people and teach them all the ropes of the new job etc, knowing that they will be taking maternity leave in the near-future, thus having to find a replacement again.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by wondering?


Go to 3/20 message from Christine and it looks like she is looking to rent a home. [/*]

okay someone please help me out - she already has a home right? she will have to pay rent wherever she goes - why not stay where she is at least to see if NF comes home?

[n/t]

Originally posted by wondering?


Go to 3/20 message from Christine and it looks like she is looking to rent a home. [/*]

Hi wondering,

Where do you see that on the link CT posted? I must not be looking at the right place.

She said she was looking to "rent" a home?

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by Nellie


Do you REALLY think she's thinking of BUYING a home????
I don't...... [/*]

To buy a home, you have to have a job to qualify for financing. Just sayin.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


okay someone please help me out - she already has a home right? she will have to pay rent wherever she goes - why not stay where she is at least to see if NF comes home? [/*]

LOL I think I may need more coffee cuz I don't see where she said "rent". Help!

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


Hi wondering,

Where do you see that on the link CT posted? I must not be looking at the right place.

She said she was looking to "rent" a home? [/*]

It's post #34 at the very bottom of the page.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


True. I hadn't thought of that. I guess I was more thinking about future payments if he doesn't show up, if leaving is what he did.

Again, I still believe Christine knows something. I don't believe Nicholas just upped and left his family. For all we know, he may have had a bag with personal belongings in the trunk of his car.

I go back to those several calls that day that Christine mentioned. Like I said, one or two calls makes sense. All spouses call each other during a lunch break. There must've been a good reason for her to call him several times. Maybe begging him to come home and not go through with it??? Dead cell phone. He may have wanted it dead so she wouldn't constantly be calling him? [/*]

if we only knew what the neighbors know.....I've always wondered if he told her the same day he resigned from the church that his life wasn't working for him any longer.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


I figured her salary, if she found a job, would cover their practical daily expenses, such as food, utilites, daycare etc.

Good to hear that there may be support for single moms needing to utilise daycare.

Of course she can work if she is pregnant, but, in my experience, businesses don't take on people and teach them all the ropes of the new job etc, knowing that they will be taking maternity leave in the near-future, thus having to find a replacement again. [/*]

Hey Moon,

Good to see you here! :seeya:

Maternity leave is 6 weeks in the US, is that correct? That's not a long time. A temp replacement shouldn't be a problem. Heck, it's one year here in Canada.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1


It's post #34 at the very bottom of the page. [/*]

but that will take monthly money also - same as a monthly mortgage or close -

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


if we only knew what the neighbors know.....I've always wondered if he told her the same day he resigned from the church that his life wasn't working for him any longer. [/*]

I think that's what may have happened.

[Sunday Moon]

Found you all!! Since I have been posting on CTV boards since 2002 I am quite familiar with the Holiday Boards. Some like them, some don't. Quite frankly, I like having everything all in one spot!! I figured you would all be here.

I know I really started off posting a lot about Nick and dwindled in my posts. Not because I am not intersted but because I just can't make sense of anything. Seriously, nothing. I go back and forth and back and forth on what happened. First I thought it was random crime. Then I thought suicide. Then I thought it was someone connected to work or church and that Nick knew something shady about either place and was being "silenced". Then I thought intentional disappearance. But I can't find anything that fully supports any theory! How on Earth does a young man with 2 children and a full time job have the time to plan a disappearance? And if he did disappear, he did a dam* good job of it! He's literally gone without a trace. Could he really have taken the time to research everything and plan so well that he is just erased from society? If so then he could work with the Witness Protection Program. He would have needed money to do this....he'd have to bank up a good amount of money, right? Where was the money hidden? How did he get the money?
Someone would have had to help him, right? Who? And why? Is there anyone else missing related to Nick (and I have batted around the Viliamu Fale connection but have been told there is no connection)? Have ALL of his extended family members been contacted? Aunts, uncles, relatives in other states? Did any of them seem like they were hiding something? Could he be hiding out with one of them? And if so...why? As much as I do want to believe the intentional disappearance there is just too much that doesn't fit with that. I am sure I don't know info LE may have so I might totally be off my rocker here but I just don't know what to think.

I hope you guys haven't forgotten me and will keep me in the loop!!

:seeya:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by wondering?


Go to 3/20 message from Christine and it looks like she is looking to rent a home. [/*]

How will she pay rent without a job? :shrug:
Many times rent can be as much or even more than a mortgage payment. Of course there wouldn't be upkee expenses or taxes.
But how will she pay the rent if she can't pay the mortgage?
I guess I'm just not understanding....

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Found you all!! Since I have been posting on CTV boards since 2002 I am quite familiar with the Holiday Boards. Some like them, some don't. Quite frankly, I like having everything all in one spot!! I figured you would all be here.

I know I really started off posting a lot about Nick and dwindled in my posts. Not because I am not intersted but because I just can't make sense of anything. Seriously, nothing. I go back and forth and back and forth on what happened. First I thought it was random crime. Then I thought suicide. Then I thought it was someone connected to work or church and that Nick knew something shady about either place and was being "silenced". Then I thought intentional disappearance. But I can't find anything that fully supports any theory! How on Earth does a young man with 2 children and a full time job have the time to plan a disappearance? And if he did disappear, he did a dam* good job of it! He's literally gone without a trace. Could he really have taken the time to research everything and plan so well that he is just erased from society? If so then he could work with the Witness Protection Program. He would have needed money to do this....he'd have to bank up a good amount of money, right? Where was the money hidden? How did he get the money?
Someone would have had to help him, right? Who? And why? Is there anyone else missing related to Nick (and I have batted around the Viliamu Fale connection but have been told there is no connection)? Have ALL of his extended family members been contacted? Aunts, uncles, relatives in other states? Did any of them seem like they were hiding something? Could he be hiding out with one of them? And if so...why? As much as I do want to believe the intentional disappearance there is just too much that doesn't fit with that. I am sure I don't know info LE may have so I might totally be off my rocker here but I just don't know what to think.

I hope you guys haven't forgotten me and will keep me in the loop!!

:seeya: [/*]:seeya:

I'm back and forth a lot, too.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


How will she pay rent without a job? :shrug:
Many times rent can be as much or even more than a mortgage payment. Of course there wouldn't be upkee expenses or taxes.
But how will she pay the rent if she can't pay the mortgage?
I guess I'm just not understanding.... [/*]

Thank goodness for your post - I don't understand either - its six of one - half a dozen of another. It takes MONEY.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Found you all!! Since I have been posting on CTV boards since 2002 I am quite familiar with the Holiday Boards. Some like them, some don't. Quite frankly, I like having everything all in one spot!! I figured you would all be here.

I know I really started off posting a lot about Nick and dwindled in my posts. Not because I am not intersted but because I just can't make sense of anything. Seriously, nothing. I go back and forth and back and forth on what happened. First I thought it was random crime. Then I thought suicide. Then I thought it was someone connected to work or church and that Nick knew something shady about either place and was being "silenced". Then I thought intentional disappearance. But I can't find anything that fully supports any theory! How on Earth does a young man with 2 children and a full time job have the time to plan a disappearance? And if he did disappear, he did a dam* good job of it! He's literally gone without a trace. Could he really have taken the time to research everything and plan so well that he is just erased from society? If so then he could work with the Witness Protection Program. He would have needed money to do this....he'd have to bank up a good amount of money, right? Where was the money hidden? How did he get the money?
Someone would have had to help him, right? Who? And why? Is there anyone else missing related to Nick (and I have batted around the Viliamu Fale connection but have been told there is no connection)? Have ALL of his extended family members been contacted? Aunts, uncles, relatives in other states? Did any of them seem like they were hiding something? Could he be hiding out with one of them? And if so...why? As much as I do want to believe the intentional disappearance there is just too much that doesn't fit with that. I am sure I don't know info LE may have so I might totally be off my rocker here but I just don't know what to think.

I hope you guys haven't forgotten me and will keep me in the loop!!

:seeya: [/*]

We're blaming any people left out on Decor :D
just kidding Decor - glad you found us

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by n/t


Hey Moon,

Good to see you here! :seeya:

Maternity leave is 6 weeks in the US, is that correct? That's not a long time. A temp replacement shouldn't be a problem. Heck, it's one year here in Canada. [/*]

Hi n/t :seeya:

Oh, I am not sure how the maternity leave is handled in the States. It is a year in Australia, too.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thank goodness for your post - I don't understand either - its six of one - half a dozen of another. It takes MONEY. [/*]

Actually....I think I do understand....but I ain't saying what I'm thinking HERE!

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Hi n/t :seeya:

Oh, I am not sure how the maternity leave is handled in the States. It is a year in Australia, too. [/*]

Yeah, it's 6 weeks in the States.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


Actually....I think I do understand....but I ain't saying what I'm thinking HERE! [/*]

I hate when my brain freezes - help me out please lol

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


It's post #34 at the very bottom of the page. [/*]

Thanks. I think she should think about placing the dog and cat. I know it's tough but, imo, she has enough on her plate with 2 children and another on the way.

A lot of places don't allow pets. I know it's terrible but it's reality.

I don't understand why she's choosing to rent a place. Fortunately, I've never been in a bankruptcy situation but my gosh, how much debt did they have and WHY????

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


decor- she has so much help around her now that if she knew anything it's time to fess up - people are spending $'s that they probably don't have either but want to help - you have Harlett and Grande giving her all the support and resources would it be fair to waste people that are so involved in missing person (s) cases? jmoo [/*]

danette
I look at it this way.
In this life it is not my job to judge, only to give. I do not have to answer for what people do with what I give them. I only have to answer as to whether I gave or not.
many people do not see it this way and that is fine for them. this is the way I see it for me.

we know Harlett and Grande are helping her. we do not know what kind of support she has locally. whether she has someone to share when she is at her lowest or someone to help with her with trivial things. we don't know if she has family support.

I do know that people will support someone in the beginning ,even if it is a death but I also know that after a few weeks they go back to their own lives and move on without worrying about the person that they had given their support to. This is human nature.


When I was in my 20's I had a friend, also in her 20's lose her husband. He had been a cop. People were all over her for about 5-6 weeks and then everyone just kind of disappeared. I stayed with her for years and she eventually healed but I was amazed how people just figured they had moved so the person suffering must have moved on too.

we really know so little about her support system so I can't make any judgments.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Nellie


How will she pay rent without a job? :shrug:
Many times rent can be as much or even more than a mortgage payment. Of course there wouldn't be upkee expenses or taxes.
But how will she pay the rent if she can't pay the mortgage?
I guess I'm just not understanding.... [/*]

Hi Nellie and Everyone :seeya:

No matter where she lives she's going to need to pay for it. Unless she lives in a shelter and I REALLY don't see that happening, plus I don't think they will take in the family pets. Rent would be the better option, I was thinking about it myself when I got my tax bills this year. I pay over $5k in taxes alone so yeah it would be good for her to get out of that if she could.

With that being said, I can't imagine a bank running her out of her house under the circumstances. She's paid up through April, if she takes her donations and saves them she probably could pay May's mortgage, late if she has to. I don't know what her mortgage payment is but if it's more than $1500/mo then they were over their head to begin with. IMO JMO Anyway, banks have been working with people who are having trouble paying their mortgage. They would rather work with you than have you foreclose.

If he's not back or found by the end of June, it's time for her to face reality and get a jobby job like the rest of us. There are many women who have to work full time and if that's not enough, then a part time job on top of that to support their family. She's not the first woman to go through this. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I've been supporting a house and kids for years while paying for daycare. You do what you have to do for your family.

IMO JMO MOO

[Nellie]

Ways to cut costs of living....

*Get rid of internet service
*Get rid of either landline phone or cell phone (not sure if she has both)
*Get rid of Cable TV or Satellite service (not saying she has it....just a suggestion for anyone in financial difficulities
*Sell some things....we all have stuff we need to get rid of

[Nellie]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Nellie and Everyone :seeya:

No matter where she lives she's going to need to pay for it. Unless she lives in a shelter and I REALLY don't see that happening, plus I don't think they will take in the family pets. Rent would be the better option, I was thinking about it myself when I got my tax bills this year. I pay over $5k in taxes alone so yeah it would be good for her to get out of that if she could.

With that being said, I can't imagine a bank running her out of her house under the circumstances. She's paid up through April, if she takes her donations and saves them she probably could pay May's mortgage, late if she has to. I don't know what her mortgage payment is but if it's more than $1500/mo then they were over their head to begin with. IMO JMO Anyway, banks have been working with people who are having trouble paying their mortgage. They would rather work with you than have you foreclose.

If he's not back or found by the end of June, it's time for her to face reality and get a jobby job like the rest of us. There are many women who have to work full time and if that's not enough, then a part time job on top of that to support their family. She's not the first woman to go through this. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I've been supporting a house and kids for years while paying for daycare. You do what you have to do for your family.

IMO JMO MOO [/*]

I can understand what you're saying about the property taxes.
But to be honest, rent is NOT CHEAP!
How will she even pay rent without a job? :shrug:
Maybe God will provide her with a rent-free home for at least a year.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


Actually....I think I do understand....but I ain't saying what I'm thinking HERE! [/*]

If she's thinking donations are going to support her, she's got a thing coming, imo. Donations don't last forever.

I don't know if that's what you were thinking but that's what I'm thinking.

She would be naive to think it.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ways to cut costs of living....

*Get rid of internet service
*Get rid of either landline phone or cell phone (not sure if she has both)
*Get rid of Cable TV or Satellite service (not saying she has it....just a suggestion for anyone in financial difficulities
*Sell some things....we all have stuff we need to get rid of [/*]

True. We need a lot less than we think! :)

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Nellie and Everyone :seeya:

No matter where she lives she's going to need to pay for it. Unless she lives in a shelter and I REALLY don't see that happening, plus I don't think they will take in the family pets. Rent would be the better option, I was thinking about it myself when I got my tax bills this year. I pay over $5k in taxes alone so yeah it would be good for her to get out of that if she could.

With that being said, I can't imagine a bank running her out of her house under the circumstances. She's paid up through April, if she takes her donations and saves them she probably could pay May's mortgage, late if she has to. I don't know what her mortgage payment is but if it's more than $1500/mo then they were over their head to begin with. IMO JMO Anyway, banks have been working with people who are having trouble paying their mortgage. They would rather work with you than have you foreclose.

If he's not back or found by the end of June, it's time for her to face reality and get a jobby job like the rest of us. There are many women who have to work full time and if that's not enough, then a part time job on top of that to support their family. She's not the first woman to go through this. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I've been supporting a house and kids for years while paying for daycare. You do what you have to do for your family.

IMO JMO MOO [/*]

Hi huskiki,

Ditto! I'm a single mom and have worked since the boys were babies. You do what you gotta do.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


We're blaming any people left out on Decor :D
just kidding Decor - glad you found us [/*]

LOL thanks ;)

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ways to cut costs of living....

*Get rid of internet service
*Get rid of either landline phone or cell phone (not sure if she has both)
*Get rid of Cable TV or Satellite service (not saying she has it....just a suggestion for anyone in financial difficulities
*Sell some things....we all have stuff we need to get rid of [/*]

Car would be another one to add to the list. Not sure if her car is paid off or not but if she has montly payments plus insurance and gas, it's very expensive. Use public transportation.

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


How will she pay rent without a job? :shrug:
Many times rent can be as much or even more than a mortgage payment. Of course there wouldn't be upkee expenses or taxes.
But how will she pay the rent if she can't pay the mortgage?
I guess I'm just not understanding.... [/*]
If she has to go on welfare they will pay her rent. they will not pay her mortgage.

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ways to cut costs of living....

*Get rid of internet service
*Get rid of either landline phone or cell phone (not sure if she has both)
*Get rid of Cable TV or Satellite service (not saying she has it....just a suggestion for anyone in financial difficulities
*Sell some things....we all have stuff we need to get rid of [/*]

not sure getting rid of her phone is a good idea with small children.

internet service: she may be able to make extra that would cover her service and more to help out with other bills with her stores.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Car would be another one to add to the list. Not sure if her car is paid off or not but if she has montly payments plus insurance and gas, it's very expensive. Use public transportation. [/*]

that only works if it is available to here where she lives. she isn't in Seattle so it may not be that easy.

[decor]

quote: Originally posted by n/t


Thanks. I think she should think about placing the dog and cat. I know it's tough but, imo, she has enough on her plate with 2 children and another on the way. [/*]

I totally agree with this because they can be expensive.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


not sure getting rid of her phone is a good idea with small children.

internet service: she may be able to make extra that would cover her service and more to help out with other bills with her stores. [/*]

I did NOT say to get rid of her phones. I said...or anyway meant to say to get rid of either the landline or cell, in case she has both.
I also would not recommend getting rid of the only phone she has. But if she has both she wouldn't need both.

Internet Service....she has closed her stores.....they were not making a profit......she could get rid of the internet service. Although lately her internet service has been profitable for her, I'll admit.

Just saying....
Sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


:chicken: because I keep telling ya; there was only one income and it's gone. :seeya:
CT [/*]

for only a short while hopefully but will be back

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


I did NOT say to get rid of her phones. I said...or anyway meant to say to get rid of either the landline or cell, in case she has both.
I also would not recommend getting rid of the only phone she has. But if she has both she wouldn't need both.

Internet Service....she has closed her stores.....they were not making a profit......she could get rid of the internet service. Although lately her internet service has been profitable for her, I'll admit.

Just saying....
Sometimes you've gotta do what you've gotta do. [/*]

sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant she should get rid of all her phones.

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


:chicken: because I keep telling ya; there was only one income and it's gone. :seeya:
CT [/*]

I know. I should listen to you more. :D

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor
quote: Originally posted by n/t


Thanks. I think she should think about placing the dog and cat. I know it's tough but, imo, she has enough on her plate with 2 children and another on the way. [/*]

I totally agree with this because they can be expensive. [/*]

I'm gonna disagree with both of you on this - the kids are already having to adjust to losing their dad (hopefully only for a short time), possibly moving out of their familiar surroundings - I think whatever she can do to make their life as normal as possible - she should do.