3/20 to 3/21

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


I saw that too. Didn't it say Backpack Mac? Is that a laptop then? [/*]

Black Back Pack Mac
just went and looked again

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Black Back Pack Mac
just went and looked again [/*]

I dont know anything about MACs so I had to google it..lol. It is a laptop.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor


<snip>You need to change the * to a lower case * [/*]

:)

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by decor


I heard two sides to that too.
The first was right after he disappeared someone said his wife was posting on Facebk. or one of those the next day like nothing happened. I am beginning to wonder though if maybe this is the new norm because I THOUGHT Harlett said that his wife was sick with worry and he is still missing.

this was my point. people seem to think these guys probably walked which would make it very easy for a killer. [/*]

I hadn't heard that about Viliamu's wife. Interesting. However, a poster here had contacted her and she replied about the same...that it was a private matter. So now I don't know WHAT to think! And the fact that there are three men missing in this area makes me wonder. I doubt Nicholas knew the man from Romania but it's possible he knew Viliamu. It's also possible there is a serial killer. I know it's definitely not common but other than the Atlanta Child Murders and Jeffrey Dahmer are there other documented serial killers that target males?

ETA...John Wayne Gacy targeted males.

[KindraLore]

Strangeness. I never could get the link to work for the other young man. Sorry guys but what was his name again?

[AMS]

Originally posted by KindraLore


I saw that too. Didn't it say Backpack Mac? Is that a laptop then? [/*]


Backpack Mac - As high-tech as a backpack can get. Massive capacity, amazing organization, and serious protection. The laptop or any gear near the left or right side can be grabbed easily through a Quick Access Port. Straps for a tripod are mounted to the bottom of the backpack. Available in 2 sizes, for 15- and 17-inch laptops.

Didn't NF have a 15 inch Mac?

AMS

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


I hadn't heard that about Viliamu's wife. Interesting. However, a poster here had contacted her and she replied about the same...that it was a private matter. So now I don't know WHAT to think! And the fact that there are three men missing in this area makes me wonder. I doubt Nicholas knew the man from Romania but it's possible he knew Viliamu. It's also possible there is a serial killer. I know it's definitely not common but other than the Atlanta Child Murders and Jeffrey Dahmer are there other documented serial killers that target males? [/*]

Yes the Clown guy from Chicago. I foget his name maybe Gary something.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


I heard two sides to that too.
The first was right after he disappeared someone said his wife was posting on Facebk. or one of those the next day like nothing happened. I am beginning to wonder though if maybe this is the new norm because I THOUGHT Harlett said that his wife was sick with worry and he is still missing.

this was my point. people seem to think these guys probably walked which would make it very easy for a killer. [/*]

I wish the police would release information about the fingerprints found in the car.

If it is a "serial killer" he/she is one smart cookie if they don't leave a trace.

I go back to the theory that if you look at what is not being said, the silence of the police and family and friends, you will see a lot.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Being a missing person is not a crime. Adults can be missing if they choose to. They can choose to leave work, ignore friends and even family. Because of this, law enforcement is quite limited in what they can do. Even if law enforcement does locate the person, they can not divulge any private information about that person without specific permission from that person.
[/*]

I snipped part of your quote, Cat, because this is the part I wanted to address. That's the point I was trying to make in an earlier post as to why everyone is now hush-hush. Maybe LE knows he is alive and I wondered if they could reveal that to the public or not if he asked to be left alone.

Another point, or rather a question, about such an idea. Suppose NF is alive and they know it but can't tell anyone. Isn't there something illegal then with regard to his family asking for financial help from the public?

[isitme]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Yes the Clown guy from Chicago. I foget his name maybe Gary something. [/*]

John Wayne Gacy

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Yes the Clown guy from Chicago. I foget his name maybe Gary something. [/*]

LOL, just edited my post to add that and saw your post right afterwards. It was John Wayne Gacy.

[Sunday Moon]

Gosh, if someone has info that Nicholas is alive I would hope they would reveal it. Would there be a reason not to, though? Not being sarcastic, I am truly wondering if there would be a reason for them to withhold that info to the public if that were the case.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by isitme


John Wayne Gacy [/*]

Yes, Thank You, and I wasn't even close.

[AMS]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


I hadn't heard that about Viliamu's wife. Interesting. However, a poster here had contacted her and she replied about the same...that it was a private matter. So now I don't know WHAT to think! And the fact that there are three men missing in this area makes me wonder. I doubt Nicholas knew the man from Romania but it's possible he knew Viliamu. It's also possible there is a serial killer. I know it's definitely not common but other than the Atlanta Child Murders and Jeffrey Dahmer are there other documented serial killers that target males?

ETA...John Wayne Gacy targeted males. [/*]


Here's something about a serial killer targeting gay men.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-187.html

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Gosh, if someone has info that Nicholas is alive I would hope they would reveal it. Would there be a reason not to, though? Not being sarcastic, I am truly wondering if there would be a reason for them to withhold that info to the public if that were the case. [/*]

If LE knew he was alive they would HAVE to announce the case was Officially closed. They would not have to give any information, but the case would be closed and that would be a big hint.

[Nellie]

In the beginning I strongly believed he just walked away.
I'm feeling more and more like he's been murdered.....sadly.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I don't know Christine personally, so can't speak for her.
But I do think it's bashing when you say Christine "has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children". I just don't think we can know that. I also have seen some reasons for her being angry and defensive, and I don't think she's selfish because she is worrying about the welfare of herself, her unborn baby, and her children. I think she's very worried and scared. [/*]

Well, I guess I'm the list of CF bashers now according the couple that have quoted me. Altho that was not my intent or purpose...excuse me I should have said...she has SHOWN little concern for her husband. Angry and defesive because people have stated they've seen the same and she has come to crime boards and read things that she has taken and twisted and bashed the people who were discussing the case, not her. That is until she put herself out there. Angry and defensive because maybe she has lied, maybe she did something to him, maybe he did leave her and she knows but, doesn't want anyone else to know. Selfish because she speaks of no one but herself and her needs. She had her children on live tv, there was no need for that except to gain sympathy. She prays for money, a house...not a job, not the psychological health of her children.
She has mentioned them very little in this whole 5 weeks.
Not for the return of her husband. No words of love to her husband if he's listening, no. Pleas for him to come home if able or at least contact her and let her know he's ok, no.
Worried and scared? Yes, she should be, she has a long road ahead of her. I don't know her personally, I only know the CF that she has put out there, in the public eye. She put herself there and then gets angry when she hears or reads what she does not want to hear or read. I wish I did know her, I would be there right next to her to help guide her down the path of single motherhood. It's a hard and scary path as so many have spoken of here and I know myself.
As a mother I put children before myself in every circumstance, if my husband had been 'missing', I would have been speaking kind and loving words. Asking for prayers for him.
If she doesn't like what she reads or hears, let her put out a statement to try and reconcile the way she behaves with the way she's been interpreted. One statement explaining how everyone is interpreting her wrongly. Not join this board or another, just one statement. Maybe we have gotten her all wrong, but, she is the one who keeps adding the fuel.
My prayers still are with her, her children, but most of for Nicholas.
All of this is my opinion and not intended to bash or crucify Christine Francisco.

[Sunday Moon]

Someone on the WS board posted something along these lines and I thought it was interesting. I also looked at his Linkedln site and it made me think this as well. What if he was meeting someone after work who wanted some freelance stuff done? What if someone looked him up and targeted him? His Linkedln site has him listed as a "Freelance Graphic Designer". Could someone have contacted him requesting work? He could have gone to meet them and then met with foul play. Maybe he didn't tell Christine about it */c she would worry. I know I would if my husband was going to meet a stranger. Just another theory worth investigating, IMO.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
His Linkedln site has him listed as a "Freelance Graphic Designer". Could someone have contacted him requesting work? He could have gone to meet them and then met with foul play. Maybe he didn't tell Christine about it */c she would worry. I know I would if my husband was going to meet a stranger. Just another theory worth investigating, IMO. [/*]

Very interesting points Sunday. What if that was what he had to sign off on?

[Nellie]

Ok I'll start a new thread. If I understood CW correctly, we can still discuss this case....we just can't discuss "the spouse". So, let's carry on but NO DISCUSSION that involves his spouse, ok?

Now, carry on.....

[KKKKKKatie]

now everyone is afraid to post.....again :(

[KindraLore]

Hey Nellie!

I guess we are moving here. lol

Sorry for the confusion in the other one. I was multitasking (on the phone) if thats any excuse. lol

[AMS]

I thought the recent thread about the other 2 missing men in the same area of the lake was interesting (one was a graphic designer). One disappeared in March 05. One in May 06. Nicholas in 08. How can we find out if a man of a similar profile went missing in 07? Is this a pattern or a strange coincidence?

Thanks for starting the new thread Nellie.

AMS

[RainyNiteNTx]

What was the part though about CW's message about no new thread til Monday?

[Caje]

I found this article researching what this case is about.

Is this police sergeant saying that it is not illegal to abandon your family, what am I missing here?

”… (Sgt. James) Laing said that if Nicholas Francisco did disappear on his own, there is nothing illegal about it…”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by AMS
I thought the recent thread about the other 2 missing men in the same area of the lake was interesting (one was a graphic designer). One disappeared in March 05. One in May 06. Nicholas in 08. How can we find out if a man of a similar profile went missing in 07? Is this a pattern or a strange coincidence?

Thanks for starting the new thread Nellie.

AMS [/*]

Here is one. Duna Florin.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

Who was the other guy?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
What was the part though about CW's message about no new thread til Monday? [/*]

IF we discuss "her" we will be shut down and there will be no new thread allowed until Monday! So, no talking about you know who or we're shut down for the weekend!

Any new thread started containing any discussion about his wife and no thread will be permitted until Monday

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


IF we discuss "her" we will be shut down and there will be no new thread allowed until Monday! So, no talking about you know who or we're shut down for the weekend!

[/*]

Thanks Nellie - I misread it

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Caje
I found this article researching what this case is about.

Is this police sergeant saying that it is not illegal to abandon your family, what am I missing here?

”… (Sgt. James) Laing said that if Nicholas Francisco did disappear on his own, there is nothing illegal about it…”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html [/*]

Cat posted something about that on the other thread this evening. Something to the affect that if a person disappears on their own it is not a crime, and should they find the person and the person says not to tell anyone then LE has to abide by that.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by AMS
I thought the recent thread about the other 2 missing men in the same area of the lake was interesting (one was a graphic designer). One disappeared in March 05. One in May 06. Nicholas in 08. How can we find out if a man of a similar profile went missing in 07? Is this a pattern or a strange coincidence?

Thanks for starting the new thread Nellie.

AMS [/*]

So many odd coinky dinks in this case aren't there.....if that is what they are :shrug: I just hope that LE has looked into it...I'm sure they probably have

[Sunday Moon]

Well, hello again!

I was all set to send a post and then the other thread was closed and I lost it....grrr...

The gist of it was that maybe Nick was meeting someone after work who contacted him about doing some freelance design. On Nick's Linkdln site it lists him as a "Freelance Graphic Designer". Could someone have contacted him under that guise? Maybe he was targeted and that was a good way to meet up with him. I am thinking he didn't tell Christine */c he didn't want to worry her, if my husband was meeting with a stranger I would be a nervous wreck! Kindra mentioned the "signing off" and I thought that could have been his way to buy time while he was meeting with a potential client. Maybe this is out there but a plausible scenario, I think.

[AMS]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Here is one. Duna Florin.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

Who was the other guy? [/*]


Ahhhhh - can't remember his name and can't into the old thread. Seattle Eddie had posted the link. He was 27 years old and was part caucasian/part Pacific Islander, like NF. I'll keep looking.

AMS

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Cat posted something about that on the other thread this evening. Something to the affect that if a person disappears on their own it is not a crime, and should they find the person and the person says not to tell anyone then LE has to abide by that. [/*]

I would assume tho that a wife could file for a seperation and get child support. Them if he doesn't pay he would be in trouble with the law??? Or is a poor wife and children just stranded in limbo with everything?

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by AMS



Ahhhhh - can't remember his name and can't into the old thread. Seattle Eddie had posted the link. He was 27 years old and was part caucasian/part Pacific Islander, like NF. I'll keep looking.

AMS [/*]
Do you mean Viliamu Fale?

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon

Do you mean Viliamu Fale? [/*]

No (I dont..lol) what is the other guy that was listed on Projectjason with the asterisk issues on the url?

[Miss Behavin]

It happens! Sometimes people get fed up with all the mundane duties and responsibilities and become overwhelmed - want a way out - need to escape it all, so they just runaway.

Not the most responsible thing to do when you're married with kids but it does happen a lot more than we hear about.

I was in Cabo for two weeks on vacation and they are always recruiting people from the US to work for the condo corps and sell time-shares. I seriously checked into it once and thought it would be difficult, but it's really not! They file all the paperwork for you, put you up in a condo, pay you commission...and you only have to work a few hours each morning.....

They have lots of timeshares in the US as well.... probably wouldn't be that difficult to be paid under the table either.

[Caje]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Cat posted something about that on the other thread this evening. Something to the affect that if a person disappears on their own it is not a crime, and should they find the person and the person says not to tell anyone then LE has to abide by that. [/*]Well his children need to get a support order against Francisco now so he can be served when and if he is ever found alive.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Well, hello again!

I was all set to send a post and then the other thread was closed and I lost it....grrr...

The gist of it was that maybe Nick was meeting someone after work who contacted him about doing some freelance design. On Nick's Linkdln site it lists him as a "Freelance Graphic Designer". Could someone have contacted him under that guise? Maybe he was targeted and that was a good way to meet up with him. I am thinking he didn't tell Christine */c he didn't want to worry her, if my husband was meeting with a stranger I would be a nervous wreck! Kindra mentioned the "signing off" and I thought that could have been his way to buy time while he was meeting with a potential client. Maybe this is out there but a plausible scenario, I think. [/*]

Okay headed to the couch but before I go I wanted to add to this....if Nick said "I've got to go up here" which is what I think he said to the coworker - that could mean he was going to meet someone in the parking lot of Safeway to get his money and give him the artwork.

[AMS]

On the last thread I asked Harlett what people who do not live in the Seattle area can do to help. Here is her reply.

"Basically when people don't live in an area where someone is missing we ask them to email media outlets.. it has to be a group effort for it to have a chance of doing any good tho... just one or two emails here and there get ignored."

I know people have been emailing individually but maybe we should make a concerted effort. I bet we can all get behind this effort and make things happen. Harlett, can you give us tips about the types of things we should say?

At one point a number of days ago, someone had listed the media contacts. Does anyone still have that list?

AMS

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by KindraLore


No (I dont..lol) what is the other guy that was listed on Projectjason with the asterisk issues on the url? [/*]

Brian?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Here is one. Duna Florin.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

Who was the other guy? [/*]

Brian Roy Barton? That is who Eddie listed, I think.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by AMS
On the last thread I asked Harlett what people who do not live in the Seattle area can do to help. Here is her reply.

"Basically when people don't live in an area where someone is missing we ask them to email media outlets.. it has to be a group effort for it to have a chance of doing any good tho... just one or two emails here and there get ignored."

I know people have been emailing individually but maybe we should make a concerted effort. I bet we can all get behind this effort and make things happen. Harlett, can you give us tips about the types of things we should say?

At one point a number of days ago, someone had listed the media contacts. Does anyone still have that list?

AMS [/*]

Rainy has the right idea about the couch thing so Im headed that way too, but I am in for emailing or whatever. If someone could organize something so we know who to contact, maybe loose wording and such that would be great.

Night all!

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Musterion


Brian Roy Barton? That is who Eddie listed, I think.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html [/*]

YES! Thank you Musterion! That was driving me crazy. I need to look into that. I still havent seen his info.

[AMS]

Originally posted by KindraLore


No (I dont..lol) what is the other guy that was listed on Projectjason with the asterisk issues on the url? [/*]


I found it. Here's the link from Seattle Eddie.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

AMS

[AMS]

Originally posted by AMS



I found it. Here's the link from Seattle Eddie.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

AMS [/*]


Instead of the * in the link, replace it with the lower case *

[AMS]

Originally posted by AMS



Instead of the * in the link, replace it with the lower case * [/*]


Geez - this is not working. Instead of the * in the link, replace it with the lower case second letter of the alphabet.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Musterion


Brian Roy Barton? That is who Eddie listed, I think.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html [/*]

From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
It happens! Sometimes people get fed up with all the mundane duties and responsibilities and become overwhelmed - want a way out - need to escape it all, so they just runaway.

Not the most responsible thing to do when you're married with kids but it does happen a lot more than we hear about.

I was in Cabo for two weeks on vacation and they are always recruiting people from the US to work for the condo corps and sell time-shares. I seriously checked into it once and thought it would be difficult, but it's really not! They file all the paperwork for you, put you up in a condo, pay you commission...and you only have to work a few hours each morning.....

They have lots of timeshares in the US as well.... probably wouldn't be that difficult to be paid under the table either. [/*]

So...all these men who don't want to pay their child support should have just taken off and dissappeared? :confused: Poor saps didn't know that, I guess!

[KindraLore]

Here is the myspace for him too.

http://www.myspace.com/brianbartonmissing

[Nellie]

Originally posted by KindraLore


From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved. [/*]

Maybe he just ran away from home?????

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Nellie


Maybe he just ran away from home????? [/*]

Maybe he did Nellie. I thought we were discussing the other men that were missing in that small vicinity with similarities to Nick?

[KindraLore]

Im off to bed. Later.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by AMS



Geez - this is not working. Instead of the * in the link, replace it with the lower case second letter of the alphabet. [/*]

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604127S

[Nellie]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Maybe he did Nellie. I thought we were discussing the other men that were missing in that small vicinity with similarities to Nick? [/*]

Oh sorry, I thought we were discussing men from that area similar to Nick that met with foul play. Gotcha!

I think I'll go to the couch too! Not much to discuss right now!
Goodnight Everyone!

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Nellie


So...all these men who don't want to pay their child support should have just taken off and dissappeared? :confused: Poor saps didn't know that, I guess! [/*]

Not all of them do, of course not! That's not what I'm saying! Just a thought that some do run off and that could be a possible destination because it would be so easy to start over. I guess I'd rather see a spouse run off than kill his wife over the stress!

[Caje]

Here in Texas we had the case of Patrick Welsh, CBS’ 48 Hours did a story on him, he was charged with abandonment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/08/27/home/main308260.shtml

Declared dead radio executive charged with abandonment

http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/020198/pagea6.pdf

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Not all of them do, of course not! That's not what I'm saying! Just a thought that some do run off and that could be a possible destination because it would be so easy to start over. I guess I'd rather see a spouse run off than kill his wife over the stress! [/*]

Sorry...I may have quoted you in accident. I was referring to it not being a crime to abandon your child and not support them.

[AMS]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
So what is WA state law, do they have an abadonment law? Am lazy right now; dont feel like googling cant someone else for a change?
CT [/*]

Here's what I have found CT. This is how Washington State defines abandonment. Still looking for the info on penalty for doing so.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=388-15-011

AMS

[Nellie]

Does anyone else see what I see????? :D

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by KindraLore


From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved. [/*]

It is eerily similar to Nic's story! :eek:

Just reposting the link without the * in it.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

[dkny]

sure does sound similiar ! So does the other missing man. And their physical descriptions are similiar as well. IMO

[Musterion]

We were wondering about serial killers earlier.

I haven't had time to read many of these to find out how many in the US have been just serial killers who targeted men. There are alot of sk's in the US, moreso than the other countries.

List of serial killers by country with links for info on each:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

[invreporter1105]

quote:
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Originally posted by KindraLore


From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved. [/*]


And, for those who don't know, Campus Drive runs beside Panther Lake, IIRC. Heritage Condos are just around the corner. Just thought I would throw that in there.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Nellie
Does anyone else see what I see????? :D [/*]


Sure do. :D

[dkny]

Okay what am I missing ? I am not seeing it ! Help !

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by Nellie
Does anyone else see what I see????? :D [/*]

I don't see it. What?

[mc528]

Originally posted by KindraLore
Here is the myspace for him too.

http://www.myspace.com/brianbartonmissing [/*]


It's so touching that Brian's mom has been maintaining that MySpace page. It was also sad to read all of the comments, and look at all the "friends" missing persons profile pages

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Envision
Oh I saw now....:rolleyes: [/*]

Oh, I think maybe I know what you all are talking about. Some kind of "miracle" perhaps?

[Sunday Moon]

:confused:

Please tell me what you see! I now have 20/20 vision thanks to Lasik but I still can't see this!!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
:confused:

Please tell me what you see! I now have 20/20 vision thanks to Lasik but I still can't see this!! [/*]

that Lasik is something else, isn't it? :)

Check some of the blogs related to this case & I think you'll see what I saw (and what is probably what Beth & Nellie & Envision saw?)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by mc528



It's so touching that Brian's mom has been maintaining that MySpace page. It was also sad to read all of the comments, and look at all the "friends" missing persons profile pages [/*]

That is touching... and so sad. 3 years. :(

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


that Lasik is something else, isn't it? :)

Check some of the blogs related to this case & I think you'll see what I saw (and what is probably what Beth & Nellie & Envision saw?) [/*]


Lasik is the best. thing. ever!!!

I got it, thanks TTT! And I am thoroughly amazed.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon



Lasik is the best. thing. ever!!!

I got it, thanks TTT! And I am thoroughly amazed. [/*]



Definitely a *miracle*. ;)

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by mc528




Definitely a *miracle*. ;) [/*]

could I get a pm please???? I am clueless and very tired *sigh*

[mc528]

Originally posted by Envision


Sì, è un miracolo! Qualcosa puzza in Washington. [/*]



Definitivamente. Ci non è abbastanza bevanda rinfrescante dell'aria nel dichiarare di WA per quello.

[AMS]

Originally posted by Envision
Did anyone go run off to translate what I wrote? It's Italian if it makes it easier....:tongue: [/*]

Ha! P.U.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by AMS


Ha! P.U. [/*]

Ah, my thoughts exactly.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Envision
Did anyone go run off to translate what I wrote? It's Italian if it makes it easier....:tongue: [/*]


Yes I did.

I guess it best if I not comment on it - even in Italian

[mc528]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


could I get a pm please???? I am clueless and very tired *sigh* [/*]


Check your box

[KKKKKKatie]

thank you to all who pm'd me...I appreciate it. And TTT I tried to send you a thank you in a pm but your box is full

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~
Anyone willing to answer a few questions about this case, please PM me?

I'm very much interested, but can't seem to glean a lot of information from this thread, maybe that's hard for some to understand, but you have to realize that most of you have followed this case since its onset. I haven't, but the case seem extremely interesting to me.

I have specific questions as well, but don't want to post them here after Coldwater's warning (that I totally don't understand :confused: ) about not discussing the wife's involvement.

I don't want to get the thread closed, so anyone willing to fill me in on a few things, please feel free.

Much appreciated. :seeya: [/*]

hey barefoot...I will help you out. pm me your questions if you want

[Danette44]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
quote:
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Originally posted by KindraLore


From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved. [/*]


And, for those who don't know, Campus Drive runs beside Panther Lake, IIRC. Heritage Condos are just around the corner. Just thought I would throw that in there. [/*]

Could anyone call the radio stations and ask for any certified divers to help look in the Lake? I would call LE and let them know just what they are doing, geezzzzz with all these missing men in that area doesn;t hurt to try?

[mc528]

I have a question for those of you in the Seattle area. Was there, or has there been, a lot of coverage of Brian Barton's disappearance? I know the MySpace page that appears to be maintained by his mother looks to have been up for quite a while, just wondering what else is being done in the area to keep his case in the public eye? How else would people know about, or could have learned about, the circumstances of his disappearance? Many of the details are very similar to NF's, maybe even too coincidental for comfort, IMO.

[invreporter1105]

Someone, please pm me with the 'do you see what I see' answer.

TIA

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by gln
What a BIG MIRACLE it will be when Nicholas finally returns home from whatever trials and tribulations he has encountered in these 5+ weeks. Prayers always for Nicholas and his well-being.

Well it seems others also don't believe he's met with foul play. [/*]

Well that is what *I* would like to believe too. And that miracles can happen on many different levels, not just the level we've seen the most of.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Envision


I wonder what the cost is to get certified divers or if LE has to hire them or if someone who is certified can just go in and do it on their own time and contribution? We don't have any bodies of water where I was LE so I am unsure of that regulation. [/*]

If it's a public lake I wouldn't see where there is any harm - and LE can stand by........just a thought with 3 men missing from same area.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by mc528
I have a question for those of you in the Seattle area. Was there, or has there been, a lot of coverage of Brian Barton's disappearance? I know the MySpace page that appears to be maintained by his mother looks to have been up for quite a while, just wondering what else is being done in the area to keep his case in the public eye? How else would people know about, or could have learned about, the circumstances of his disappearance? Many of the details are very similar to NF's, maybe even too coincidental for comfort, IMO. [/*]

I hadn't heard of it until it was mentioned here.

[decor]

maybe it would be good to do a poster of all of those men on the same poster.

The guy from Romania took his mac with him at 8:00 at night on a bike. sounds like he was going somewhere where he would need to use it, like an appointment maybe.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I hadn't heard of it until it was mentioned here. [/*]

I hadn't heard of Brian Barton until now, either. That I remember. And, I agree, his myspace page was beautiful and very sad.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor
maybe it would be good to do a poster of all of those men on the same poster.

The guy from Romania took his mac with him at 8:00 at night on a bike. sounds like he was going somewhere where he would need to use it, like an appointment maybe. [/*]

I thought it said he left after an argument with his girlfriend? I will have to read the article again.

[mc528]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I hadn't heard of it until it was mentioned here. [/*]


Thanks

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth
Did you get your answer invreporter? I'll gladly pm you the answer and I hope you break this case wide open. Diligence is what we need and I hope you're up to the challenge. [/*]


I sent invreporter a PM.

[invreporter1105]

:)

Thank you to all who pm'd me.

:read:

Everyday that goes by, I become more and more suspicious and less sympathetic.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth


Thank you, mc, so did I. I'm on a whole new mission now. :) [/*]


YW, and me too.

[shelkobe]

Ask and ye shall receive.

[Silver_Dove]

I may have to drive down and double check out that lake but from what I'm seeing on satellite picture it looks like dozens of other ponds in the area. A body would float and to get it out far enough would take a boat of some kind which would be a whole other problem. Also it would have a high chance of being noticed. Much easier to dump it in the bushes some where.

Also why in the world leave the car so close?

[Nellie]

cat and need2know... clean your pm boxes! :D

[Nellie]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
:)

Thank you to all who pm'd me.

:read:

Everyday that goes by, I become more and more suspicious and less sympathetic. [/*]

At least you don't have tunnel vison and can look at things objectively! It's an unusual case, isn't it?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Envision
Was that ever determined to be a natural or manmade lake? I know the "lake" in the city a few miles up the road is manmade and can be drained if need be. I'd sure hate to see what they'd find even though it is much smaller than this Panther Lake. [/*]

If you are talking Green Lake in Seattle I can't imagine them ever draining it for any reason. I've never hear of such a thing in this area.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I may have to drive down and double check out that lake but from what I'm seeing on satellite picture it looks like dozens of other ponds in the area. A body would float and to get it out far enough would take a boat of some kind which would be a whole other problem. Also it would have a high chance of being noticed. Much easier to dump it in the bushes some where.

Also why in the world leave the car so close? [/*]

I think it's an interesting coincidence that these guys all went missing in such a close area. But the issue of the car is important and different than the other guys (well, we don't know about Viliamu Fale, if he had a car, do we?).

LE said there was no sign of foul play from the car (unless they found out more in their forensics testing and just have not released that info). So that would mean that Nicholas drove it there willingly, it would seem. So, why was he there then?

[SeattleEddie]

I haven't caught up yet (still on page 1) but if someone hasn't found it, it's:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html Remember to change the * to lower caseb. For some reason, in this program, any stand alone letter bee is changed to a *.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I think it's an interesting coincidence that these guys all went missing in such a close area. But the issue of the car is important and different than the other guys (well, we don't know about Viliamu Fale, if he had a car, do we?).

LE said there was no sign of foul play from the car (unless they found out more in their forensics testing and just have not released that info). So that would mean that Nicholas drove it there willingly, it would seem. So, why was he there then? [/*]
Might have met someone there or stayed with them. He might still be there, since there is no way to search the condos.

Could have been someone he met on one of the forums he posted on. They might have felt he had a good reason to leave and offered him a place.

It is amazing what goes on in pm on forums.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
Someone, please pm me with the 'do you see what I see' answer.

TIA [/*]

I did read towards the bottom

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~


Wow, that's cold, considering there's a man's life at stake here, as well as innocent children that he left behind. :( [/*]

I am sorry. I should have clarified to whom the comment was directed, but I can't or CW will close the thread.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
quote:
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Originally posted by KindraLore


From the site:

Barton was last known to be at his residence in the vicinity of the 1300 block of southwest Campus Drive in Federal Way, Washington sometime after 5:00 p.m. on March 10, 2005. He has never been heard from again. All of his personal belongings were left behind. Few details are available in Barton's case and it remains unsolved. [/*]


And, for those who don't know, Campus Drive runs beside Panther Lake, IIRC. Heritage Condos are just around the corner. Just thought I would throw that in there. [/*]

that's what I said when I posted his info. He disappeared from less than half a mile from where Nicholas' car was found, also where the body in trunk was found yesterday.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by mc528
I have a question for those of you in the Seattle area. Was there, or has there been, a lot of coverage of Brian Barton's disappearance? I know the MySpace page that appears to be maintained by his mother looks to have been up for quite a while, just wondering what else is being done in the area to keep his case in the public eye? How else would people know about, or could have learned about, the circumstances of his disappearance? Many of the details are very similar to NF's, maybe even too coincidental for comfort, IMO. [/*]

I never heard this case in the news here in Seattle.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


that's what I said when I posted his info. He disappeared from less than half a mile from where Nicholas' car was found, also where the body in trunk was found yesterday. [/*]

Thats true but if something did happen to him I would say it would have started in the lower Queen Anne area or the Southcenter area. So would have been very different.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie
cat and need2know... clean your pm boxes! :D [/*]


Sorry...I was catching up on the thread. All clean now!

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Envision


I should have been more clear...I meant the lake up the road near where I live. [/*]

Ah okay, most of ours are drainage, wet land types of ponds. I'm not even sure if it would be legal to drain one without years of studies.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
So what is WA state law, do they have an abadonment law? Am lazy right now; dont feel like googling cant someone else for a change?
CT [/*]

Cat, your box is full. Need to hoover it out.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


I am sorry. I should have clarified to whom the comment was directed, but I can't or CW will close the thread. [/*]

She probably will anyway. Or ban some posters. IMO.

Do you all think CW won't understand what you are talking about? Truly? I think you just might be insulting her intelligence thinking you can craftily veil what you are saying.

Is it so hard to show some restraint? Or at least PM this kind of stuff?

Just asking.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


Thats true but if something did happen to him I would say it would have started in the lower Queen Anne area or the Southcenter area. So would have been very different. [/*]

It just seems odd to me that this two or three block area in Federal Way, close to Panther Lake, is associated with (in some way) at least two disappearances and one murder.

I can't think of any other restricted physical location in this city with so many unsolved associations.

Maybe coincidence. ?

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


It just seems odd to me that this two or three block area in Federal Way, close to Panther Lake, is associated with (in some way) at least two disappearances and one murder.

I can't think of any other restricted physical location in this city with so many unsolved associations.

Maybe coincidence. ? [/*]

It seems too unlikey to be a coincidence, seeing as Brian also disappeared with absolutely no trace. His ethnicity, too.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


It seems too unlikey to be a coincidence, seeing as Brian also disappeared with absolutely no trace. His ethnicity, too. [/*]

So we have a guy who goes missing in 2005 in the area and we have another guy who if he went missing it would have happened in 2008 and started either in Queen Anne or Southcenter and his car was found in the area and we have a woman who was killed a couple of days ago and was stuffed in her trunk and you think they are all connected?

Do we know anything about Brian? Could he have used drugs? Drank to much? Been going to a party where he got killed? I would have to know a lot more before I would connect these 3.

[need2no]

Did anybody click on the links provided earlier by Caje? I remember watching this fascinating case on 48 Hours. Just in case you didn't read about this supposedly happily married man who left his wife and 2 sons leaving a suicide note behind saying they would be better off without him, at least read this tid bit from the article:

On top of this, it turns out that many people in Galveston knew that "Tim Kingsbury" was leading a double life. In 1996, Patrick Welsh was arrested in Galveston and convicted on a felony charge of forgery. ***The District Attorney discovered his previous identity, but did not reveal it publicly. In fact, Kinsgbury's assimilation into he town's hierarchy was apparently so complete that he was allowed to continue his masquerade.*** This poses the disturbing question: is a community responsible only to itself, or to outsiders as well?



If you are interested in reading about this case, here are the links. (Thanks Caje!)


Here in Texas we had the case of Patrick Welsh, CBS’ 48 Hours did a story on him, he was charged with abandonment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001...ain308260.shtml

Declared dead radio executive charged with abandonment

http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/020198/pagea6.pdf

[Oregongal]

I went to the link that listed all the men who were missing from the 'Northwest', on the thread that was shut down. I was totally blown away with how many from WA there were. WTH is up with that. Could it be Nic is now part of this list? Not officially of course, just my thoughts.
Is there a serial killer the midst. OMG, how horrible that would be!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
Someone, please pm me with the 'do you see what I see' answer.

TIA [/*]

I don't see it either.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~


Remember Jeffery Dahmer?

He had a penchant for Pacific Islanders, and of course, I'm praying that nothing like this comes to fruition with this case, but the mysterious car left at such an odd location, etc.....

It's a shame that they can't check those Condos. [/*]

Yes, Barefootin, I must admit that Jeffery Dahmer sprang to my mind immediately, too! Didn't want to put it into words, either, because it is too horrendous to contemplate.

[Amy]

Originally posted by Caje
I found this article researching what this case is about.

Is this police sergeant saying that it is not illegal to abandon your family, what am I missing here?

”… (Sgt. James) Laing said that if Nicholas Francisco did disappear on his own, there is nothing illegal about it…”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html [/*]

I don't think it is a crime, unless the disappearer is running out on a criminal investigation. In the not-so-distant pass, when adults disappeared, LE didn't even look into the situation for several days unless there were obvious signs of foul play, because an adult has the right to go off anytime s/he wants.

[Amy]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Cat posted something about that on the other thread this evening. Something to the affect that if a person disappears on their own it is not a crime, and should they find the person and the person says not to tell anyone then LE has to abide by that. [/*]

I think that is what happened in the Beth Smith case. If I understood correctly, LE knew where she was, and had been in contact with her, and only after talking to one of the detectives for a while, did she agree to make her whereabouts known.

[LilOsmommy]

Here are two more men listed on www.waspc.org , both under Federal Way P.D. - unfortunately I can't find anything else about them via google! Then again it is past my bedtime here (at least for my eyes ) , so maybe someone else will have some luck. How big is Federal Way? I don't know the circumstances of these two men, other than that they are listed as missing but it seems like an awful amount of crime happens there in general :(

Jerry Richard Mireles, age 36 - last seen Feb 29, 2008

Nicholas James Jones, age 24 - last seen March 20, 2008

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by ~Barefootin~


I know it is, but, we're supposed to 'learn' from history, and before scads more men are missing, maybe someone should contemplate this notion?

What do I know - I'm just learning about this case. [/*]

I think it's a necessity that it be contemplated by LE!

What would they need to search the condos? Something suspicious first - is that how it works?

[Nellie]

Is this new? I don't remember ever reading that the dogs tracked his smell at all and now I read this from a friend of his!
I never ever heard he was tracked into the woods. Have you???

Sniffing dogs have been used to track him down in the near by woods along with the help of volunteers who when door to door of the huge condo complex looking for clues.

http://events.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&eventID=407096.68824

[Amy]

Originally posted by Caje
Here in Texas we had the case of Patrick Welsh, CBS’ 48 Hours did a story on him, he was charged with abandonment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/08/27/home/main308260.shtml

Declared dead radio executive charged with abandonment

http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/020198/pagea6.pdf [/*]

The authorities in Galveston did not notify his family that he was still alive, so guess that part might be true--that if the person requests not to be outed, they don't? They didn't charge him with anything related to abandonment @ that time, either.

Of course, they did out him, in a round about way, demanding that he return to the SSN of Patrick Welch, which was ultimately how his family found he was still alive.

I guess that would be the problem with leaving. You would have to get a new SSN or working under the table.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie
Is this new? I don't remember ever reading that the dogs tracked his smell at all and now I read this from a friend of his!
I never ever heard he was tracked into the woods. Have you???



http://events.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&eventID=407096.68824 [/*]

I read that as if dogs were used in the woods to try and track him. Not that they actually picked up any sign of him, just that was where they took the dogs to try. All the reports I've read have said the dogs didn't pick up his scent anywhere. If they had, I'm sure LE would have done an intensive search there.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I read that as if dogs were used in the woods to try and track him. Not that they actually picked up any sign of him, just that was where they took the dogs to try. All the reports I've read have said the dogs didn't pick up his scent anywhere. If they had, I'm sure LE would have done an intensive search there. [/*]

Oh, maybe I misunderstood what he was saying then.....
I knew about the dogs, but he made it sound like they tracked him into the woods. I was like ...what????? :eek:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


I think it's a necessity that it be contemplated by LE!

What would they need to search the condos? Something suspicious first - is that how it works? [/*]

To be honest...I would NOT want them to search MY home if I lived in a condo there! I mean they're not even searching his own home....don't think they're gonna search MINE! :eek:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Nope I read that it ended at his car. Nothing further than his car. Which would suggest he went from one car to another...Possibly. Hopefully. The stories of someone using the car I think was the most disturbing thing I've read in this case besides the interviews and what they revealed. I'd like to know if it was wiped clean. no prints or just his prints? His families prints should have been all over the car. So should Nicks; I'm remembering something about no prints at all but that may have been just speculation. Were only his prints found in the car? Or was it wiped down?
CT [/*]

Nothing has been reported still on the fingerprints. The car was reportedly going to be released last week; not sure if that has happened. Maybe they are doing further testing.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Nope I read that it ended at his car. Nothing further than his car. Which would suggest he went from one car to anotherCT [/*]

This could also indicate that he wasn't in the car when it was driven to the condo, imo.

[Amy]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Isnt it awful? For me I say probable cause; a man is gone; never seen again and that's not enough probable cause to do a walk through of apts in the area? I know the friends went door to door; but why didnt LE?
Did LE go door to door at the other apt complex? Is NF living in one of those Apts?
could you imagine; running away from everything; staying with someone and then they tow away your wheels? Would you give up at that point and say now wait a Minute I have to have my wheels.....I would. Wouldnt you??
CT [/*]

If I were running away from whatever--no, I would not want my wheels. I would be looking for new wheels, if I continued to use my present ones, it would be easier for LE to track me down. Just like leaving licenses and other ID's behind. Not cleaning out the bank account, taking what is needed to get out of Dodge, but not enough to alert authorities to the fact that I was leaving alive.

IMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


This could also indicate that he wasn't in the car when it was driven to the condo, imo. [/*]

A parking lot at a condo has people coming and going full time. I'm sure in the day or two that the car sat people came and went on both sides. Not finding something wouldn't be impossible. It would also depend on which kind of dogs they used. Were they the ones that would follow a scent any scent from that car or were they being given something that had NF's scent on it?

Maybe they should take a corpse dog down there especially by the lake much cheaper then divers or draining it.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


A parking lot at a condo has people coming and going full time. I'm sure in the day or two that the car sat people came and went on both sides. Not finding something wouldn't be impossible. It would also depend on which kind of dogs they used. Were they the ones that would follow a scent any scent from that car or were they being given something that had NF's scent on it?

Maybe they should take a corpse dog down there especially by the lake much cheaper then divers or draining it. [/*]

That is a really good idea. Is that something just LE could do?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by Amy


If I were running away from whatever--no, I would not want my wheels. I would be looking for new wheels, if I continued to use my present ones, it would be easier for LE to track me down. Just like leaving licenses and other ID's behind. Not cleaning out the bank account, taking what is needed to get out of Dodge, but not enough to alert authorities to the fact that I was leaving alive.

IMO [/*]

Hi, Amy.

So, are you suggesting that NF would have purchased another vehicle with no money or at least a credit check which could be traced?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by Envision


He could have purchased one through a private party. Who knows if he had cash on him or not? [/*]

True. But, considering he did purchase another vehicle, don't you think the former owner would want that vehicle out of their name in case he were in an accident or something? I am just trying to understand.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Envision
I suspect they didn't send a corpse dog in because the scent dogs didn't pick him up. [/*]

Corpse dogs are different they don't go after a personal scent they go after any dead person scent. I'm guessing they didn't send one in because they don't believe he is dead in the area.

[Amy]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi, Amy.

So, are you suggesting that NF would have purchased another vehicle with no money or at least a credit check which could be traced? [/*]

He might not have purchased any vehicle. If you are running away, you would not do anything that would leave tracks to find you, I think.

Maybe he left town completely. Had enough cash for a bus ticket or something. Plenty of people in big cities and little towns don't have vehicles.

One thing about someone who plans to walk away (as opposed to just ups and walks away on a whim) would be to stashing cash for some time--maybe little bits that wouldn't be noticed. I don't know that the person would use that for a vehicle right away, unless he has figured out a new identity--otherwise he would have to get license, insurance, tags under his present identity--and could be traced.

[Jazmine203]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I don't see it either. [/*]

Me either...

[SeattleEddie]

Here's an excerpt from an article in the Seattle Times, October 14, 2007:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/southeastkingcountynews/2003947584_lakes14s0.html

Valarie Matinjussi, a homeowner in the Panther Lake area, says she is frustrated by the county's lack of oversite of Panther Lake, which has not been monitored for several years.

Copyright © 2007 The Seattle Times Company

[SeattleEddie]

n/m this looks to be the wrong Panther Lake. So far, I've found three Panther Lakes in Western Washington. Whodathunkit?

[SeattleEddie]

The Panther Lake in Federal Way looks to be less than 800 ft. across in one direction, and less than 500 ft. long the other way. It's a tiny lake.

[Miss Behavin]

Jeez... don't you guys ever sleep? :D

I left ya'll at 11:00 last night and wake up this morning to all sorts of code talk.......... somebody mind filling me in please?

TIA and Good Morning :seeya:

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Beth
Did you get your answer invreporter? I'll gladly pm you the answer and I hope you break this case wide open. Diligence is what we need and I hope you're up to the challenge. [/*]

Yeah, maybe he can break this case... at least this time he wont' be able to get humiliating photos of a fifteen-year-old kidnapping victim and pass them to the press to publish. It wasn't as if Shawn Hornbeck had been through enough already without this being done.. Real stand up guy this invreporter that's not a reporter at all..

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
:)

Thank you to all who pm'd me.

:read:

Everyday that goes by, I become more and more suspicious and less sympathetic. [/*]

and could that be because you got busted for claiming to just wanting to be a friend while instead trying to get personal information told to you as a friend and then you post it on a message board... or could it be the fact that you were more than willing to trade information you got in confidence to someone else :shrug: Real stand up guy you are...

[Miss Behavin]

:confused: I must've missed something...............

[decor]

Here is another guy that went missing in 2002. He is listed as Caucasian but looks a lot like the others. He is also over 6' and his car was found abandoned.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/t/tew_dixon.html


and yes there are a LOT of missing people in the state of WA