3/20 to 3/21

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


that only works if it is available to here where she lives. she isn't in Seattle so it may not be that easy. [/*]

Her children are not in school yet so moving to a place where there is public transportation and other conveniences close to home shouldn't be that difficult.

When I looked for my condo, I made sure there was public transit close by because I knew my son would have to take the bus to school. These are things to consider when moving!

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm gonna disagree with both of you on this - the kids are already having to adjust to losing their dad (hopefully only for a short time), possibly moving out of their familiar surroundings - I think whatever she can do to make their life as normal as possible - she should do. [/*]

yes, I can see that too. hard call.

everyone loses in this except Nick if all he did was leave on his own.

[MoonFlwr]

Yeah, RainyNite, I was thinking along those lines, too, regarding the pets.
It'd probably be good for the kids to have them around, still.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by decor


that only works if it is available to here where she lives. she isn't in Seattle so it may not be that easy. [/*]

Actually WA is big on public transportation. I lived in a small town there and we had it. People would be walking to the bus stop all of the time. Even in cold rain. It was incredible to watch them. Something that stood out in my mind about that state.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


Her children are not in school yet so moving to a place where there is public transportation and other conveniences close to home shouldn't be that difficult.

When I looked for my condo, I made sure there was public transit close by because I knew my son would have to take the bus to school. These are things to consider when moving! [/*]

I just figured if housing was more expensive in the city then rent would be too and might be out of reach for her.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


yes, I can see that too. hard call.

everyone loses in this except Nick if all he did was leave on his own. [/*]

Speaking of...

I looked for that "calendar of events" on one of the websites I had and can't find it, but the last time I looked, the last search was the last part of February. Obviously there have been more so maybe the website just isn't being kept up to date?

I wish we could help out in some way even if it would be to help with some type of grid.

[decor]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Actually WA is big on public transportation. I lived in a small town there and we had it. People would be walking to the bus stop all of the time. Even in cold rain. It was incredible to watch them. Something that stood out in my mind about that state. [/*]

okay. I know nothing about that area, only about my own so that is all I can relate it too. I had to live without a car for 6 years, which also meant I could only get a job within walking distance since I am in a rural area and all cities are at least 120 miles away.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm gonna disagree with both of you on this - the kids are already having to adjust to losing their dad (hopefully only for a short time), possibly moving out of their familiar surroundings - I think whatever she can do to make their life as normal as possible - she should do. [/*]

Rainy, owning pets is not cheap and I'm not just talking food, litter, etc. What if one gets sick. Vet bills are very expensive.

Another reason is if she rents a place, not all accept pets so she may have a difficult time finding a home with 2 children, another on the way, a dog and a cat.

And the other thing is, I don't know if she can handle a household like that on her own. Her priority should be her children. 3 kids is a lot of responsibility!

I agree that it will be very difficult on them but sometimes there is no choice.

[isitme]

It is always a good idea to keep the children from experiencing upheavel in their little worlds if possible. Unfortunately that is not always possible. If faced with having a roof over their head and food to eat over having their pets around them then perhaps the pets should be adopted out. Those kids need food and shelter and that will mean that their mom will have to get a job and if CF's sister isn't available for their care while she works then they will have to go somewhere else during those working hours. Who is going to walk the dog while she is working? And when she is dealing with 2 toddlers and a newborn and a job does she need the added stress of taking care of a cat and a dog?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by decor


okay. I know nothing about that area, only about my own so that is all I can relate it too. I had to live without a car for 6 years, which also meant I could only get a job within walking distance since I am in a rural area and all cities are at least 120 miles away. [/*]

I know what you mean. I spent many a years w/out a vehicle myself and had to walk to work. Back in those days. It would have been nice to have had the public transportation. Perhaps that was one of the things that made me really think having public transportation out where we were was an awesome thing. When I first went out to Wa, I went there from Tx. It was so funny cause up there was cold and wet to me. Here these people were always walking down the street. I was like are they crazy. What the heck are they doing. Turned out they were going to the bus stop.

[n/t]

bumping for Beth E so she sees us!

[n/t]

Originally posted by isitme
It is always a good idea to keep the children from experiencing upheavel in their little worlds if possible. Unfortunately that is not always possible. If faced with having a roof over their head and food to eat over having their pets around them then perhaps the pets should be adopted out. Those kids need food and shelter and that will mean that their mom will have to get a job and if CF's sister isn't available for their care while she works then they will have to go somewhere else during those working hours. Who is going to walk the dog while she is working? And when she is dealing with 2 toddlers and a newborn and a job does she need the added stress of taking care of a cat and a dog? [/*]

Exactly. You said it better than I ever could. Sad but it's reality.

[n/t]

Originally posted by AJandTam


I know what you mean. I spent many a years w/out a vehicle myself and had to walk to work. Back in those days. It would have been nice to have had the public transportation. Perhaps that was one of the things that made me really think having public transportation out where we were was an awesome thing. When I first went out to Wa, I went there from Tx. It was so funny cause up there was cold and wet to me. Here these people were always walking down the street. I was like are they crazy. What the heck are they doing. Turned out they were going to the bus stop. [/*]

:lol:

Heck people here take buses in snowstorms. 20 inches of snow and they're out there. You've been too spoiled Tam. :tongue:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by isitme
It is always a good idea to keep the children from experiencing upheavel in their little worlds if possible. Unfortunately that is not always possible. If faced with having a roof over their head and food to eat over having their pets around them then perhaps the pets should be adopted out. Those kids need food and shelter and that will mean that their mom will have to get a job and if CF's sister isn't available for their care while she works then they will have to go somewhere else during those working hours. Who is going to walk the dog while she is working? And when she is dealing with 2 toddlers and a newborn and a job does she need the added stress of taking care of a cat and a dog? [/*]

Life has a way of knocking you way down sometimes. That's just how it goes. I had lots of hard times along the way. Unfortunately, there wasn't anyone around to pick me up by my boot straps. You find out real quick. Woes is me, everyones got problems. Some worse than your own. All you can do is put one foot in front of the other and do the best you can when LIFE happens.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t


:lol:

Heck people here take buses in snowstorms. 20 inches of snow and they're out there. You've been too spoiled Tam. :tongue: [/*]

LOL, not really. Oh the stories, I can tell. Walking 5 miles to work two jobs in 115 degrees isn't fun either. I know what' it's like to sing. "I will survive" in your head.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t


Exactly. You said it better than I ever could. Sad but it's reality. [/*]

Yes, and unfortunately, the world isn't always up for your pity party. We got an old guy around here w/no legs, runs around in an electric wheel chair, picking up cans that we all save for him. He sells the cans for extra money. I really respect that guy, and he gets every can I have.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by appledipper
Aren't renters going to run a credit check and therefore it would be next to impossible to rent if you are filing for bankruptcy? Not sure how that works. I wonder if she has family that could help her for a while...

If she files for bankruptcy does that affect his credit since they are married? Is that possible to file without your spouse?

I was surprised, but not surprised to read the "home" posts today...

jmo. [/*]

Good Questions. Don't know the answers to any of them, but I do agree that if she has family to move in w/. It might be best to do that and rent the house til she can figure everything out. No one wants to do that, but you do what you have to do. Sad but life happens. Sometimes it's illness, sometimes it's divorce, death ect. Can happen to any of us.

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t


Rainy, owning pets is not cheap and I'm not just talking food, litter, etc. What if one gets sick. Vet bills are very expensive.

Another reason is if she rents a place, not all accept pets so she may have a difficult time finding a home with 2 children, another on the way, a dog and a cat.

And the other thing is, I don't know if she can handle a household like that on her own. Her priority should be her children. 3 kids is a lot of responsibility!

I agree that it will be very difficult on them but sometimes there is no choice. [/*]

Don't know about WA, but where I live you have to pay a steep price for a pet deposit, it's about the same amount as the rental deposit, or more if you own multiple pets.

In addition to the dog and cat, they also have a bunny.

Perhaps a family member could take the pets so the children could still visit them.

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no


Don't know about WA, but where I live you have to pay a steep price for a pet deposit, it's about the same amount as the rental deposit, or more if you own multiple pets.

In addition to the dog and cat, they also have a bunny.

Perhaps a family member could take the pets so the children could still visit them. [/*]

What a great idea or maybe even a friend.

[ThruTheTrees]

There is a front page story in the Seattle Times today about a man who is being held by police for identity theft, who has used 32 different aliases, but authorities still don't know his real identity -- in part because he apparently tried to burn off his fingerprints in the 1990s.

I doubt it has a connection to Nicholas's disappearance, but the lack of fingerprints and also the fact that he lived on Queen Anne, which is where Nicholas was last seen, is at least coincidental.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004296459_johndoe21m.html

With regard to the woman who was found dead in her trunk in the parking lot of an Alzheimers care facility (she didn't live there but was visiting her husband who does) in Federal Way, not far from where Nicholas's car was found, LE is looking for a homeless person who was seen on a gas station security video.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_032108WAB_trunk_body_federal_way_LJ.10*58ea7.ht ml

Although this was close to where Nick's car was found, there is still the issue of why he was in Federal Way in the first place, and could a limping suspect overpower a young, healthy man like Nick in comparison to a 75-year-old woman. So MOO, it doesn't seem related to me.

[abstr]

Did she post this somewhere ? Can I ask the title?
Originally posted by soyesterday


I don't know if this is ok to post or not, but i saw the lyrics to a song today...the whole song is pretty intense and sad and talks about standing over his grave and how much she missing him and stuff, but this part stuck out at me and made me cry...

I just don't know what to do with myself
I cant stand looking at those pictures on my shelf
Knowing it was just one week ago, i stood there and took that picture
There just one thing that I wanna know
Why would God want to hurt me so bad,
Does He know how much it hurts to be missing you
Baby Im missing you
Baby Im missing you
I love you


I'm just so sad for Nick........and his family.... [/*]

[huskiki]

Originally posted by appledipper
Aren't renters going to run a credit check and therefore it would be next to impossible to rent if you are filing for bankruptcy? Not sure how that works. I wonder if she has family that could help her for a while...

If she files for bankruptcy does that affect his credit since they are married? Is that possible to file without your spouse?

I was surprised, but not surprised to read the "home" posts today...

jmo. [/*]

You would be surprised. Someone I worked with filed for bankruptcy and then bought a new car! Yes, you heard it right. And she has an apartment. Some people file just so because they don't want to take responsibility for the debt that they accumulated. Then they usually run up more debt. UGH! Not saying that's what Christine is planning but they are out there.

[abstr]

I think I would try to keep the animals, my children don't see them as pets...they are part of our family.
They have had their lives disrupted....maybe the pets are something she can hang onto for them JMOOriginally posted by n/t


Exactly. You said it better than I ever could. Sad but it's reality. [/*]

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Good Questions. Don't know the answers to any of them, but I do agree that if she has family to move in w/. It might be best to do that and rent the house til she can figure everything out. No one wants to do that, but you do what you have to do. Sad but life happens. Sometimes it's illness, sometimes it's divorce, death ect. Can happen to any of us.

Hey woman, look what the cat drug in! :tongue:

I've been reading up on the thread and the latest posts on the other sites and couldn't help but think of SP talking with a realtor when his spouse was "missing".

I had discussed a few days ago w/ my hub if I could access his 401K if he went missing. He does have ins. if he is injured and he did think that it'd be about 6 months on non-payment on the house before it would go into foreclosure. He also thought his co. would still be sending checks tho, until something could be legally determined.

I'm confused about this case tho. Instead of the usual "we need to find him, find his body, find who's responsible and bring them to justice" scenario it's more about financial hardships.

Many of us already have that with a spouse still intact with the family and bringing income in. imo

I'd think I'd consider interviewing a boarder before uprooting my family and without resolution as to the whereabouts of my spouse first.

Many folks posted tho about how large her network of support from her online and offline community and a few mentioned the help she's receiving from even posters from here, so IMO it's a blessing how many she can turn to.

That's way more than most that I can recall.

:rose: Hope for Nicholas

[need2no]

Originally posted by andover


The Federal Government has a program called Section 8 housing (or something like that). IMO she would be a perfect candidate. It needs to be applied for and is based on need, I would think a pregnant female with 2 toddlers and a husband that is missing would be given priority. It is a program that you pay a small percentage of the rent and the government pays the rest. I hope someone lets her know about this wonderful program. [/*]

You are correct, she would definitely qualify for subsidized housing as well as welfare, food stamps, and free medical care for her and the children, even job placement assistance. Heck I saw on TV where the government now has a reduced price cell phone program! As you stated the housing would require some payment, and the other programs require a healthy able bodied person to seek employment, and some of the programs provide benefits based on amount of income. With Christine's education I would think she could land a job. Perhaps someone who is aware of her situation would be generous, compassionate and understanding enough to hire her even knowing she is under stress and will need to be off for maternity leave in the fall.

[abstr]

but they don't have to pay you.....
Originally posted by Shelby1


Yeah, it's 6 weeks in the States. [/*]

[dianaelaine]

Well I'll be a DING DONG!

I posted a message to CF on her support blog with some supportive suggestions, and a few questions I guess she didn't like, because it took her all of 2 minutes to delete it.

Hmmm??? I was quite easy on what I said, at least I think so .... yet she never responded just took it down.

[desmom]

Pregnancy/Maternity Leave Questions for State of Washington

http://www.hum.wa.gov/generalInfo/faq_preg_matern_leave.htm

There are a lot of programs that can help CF, but she will have to apply.

[AMS]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Well I'll be a DING DONG!

I posted a message to CF on her support blog with some supportive suggestions, and a few questions I guess she didn't like, because it took her all of 2 minutes to delete it.

Hmmm??? I was quite easy on what I said, at least I think so .... yet she never responded just took it down. [/*]


What did you post? Do you mind sharing?

AMS

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Well I'll be a DING DONG!

I posted a message to CF on her support blog with some supportive suggestions, and a few questions I guess she didn't like, because it took her all of 2 minutes to delete it.

Hmmm??? I was quite easy on what I said, at least I think so .... yet she never responded just took it down.

:lol: Were you the "April" post? I saw that one...did you save what you posted to the site?

If she doesn't have admin access there, she may have requested the admin take it down.

Nothing to prevent you from posting at other blogs/forums or starting one that won't delete as long as it's not against their TOS.

[Musterion]

I'm here Rainy!

Much to some posters delight I'm sure! LOL!

I did read on the MHC site where Christine posted about the home. It is really sad.

I, also, noticed the comment right below it. Very harsh.

I've been reading the thread and the posts of the last month or so and I see where so many have had to be single mother's. Not of their own choice. I can't even imagine that. I think it has to be the hardest job in the world. My own mom, in her first marriage, was married to a drunk who ran out on her and four kids. In those days women sometimes weren't able to find jobs. In the fifties. In a small small Idaho town. She took in laundry and the neighbours helped out, too. My mom was the strongest woman I've ever known.

I understand that some might feel that they did not get help when they needed it and were alone to raise their children and why should someone else get help when they did not. Fair thoughts.

I only admire and empathize with each single mom. You are all brave and I pray I don't have to ever be in that position.

I'm also hoping for Christine that Nicholas would be found alive first. Although, I do not think he is alive. JMO. At least she may be able to have life insurance and whatever else he had to cover his family in case of his death. Just like John Delatte's wife who can now, instead of worrying about finding an income source, she can plan with the money she has, hopefully, coming to her and her children. It will give her time to be able to pray and assess what she has to do.

In Christine's case, sadly, the church should step up and help her. This is a crisis. Much like a death. Only worse, IMO. Maybe they are helping her. I don't know. I do know, that biblically, the church is bound to help the widows, which, IMO, includes single mothers. It, to me, is a tragedy that they do not come forward (as an entity) to any mother who has gone through a divorce or loss of a spouse and help her to stay home with her children until she can get on her feet emotionally, spiritually, financially. In any way that she needs. That is what the church is supposed to do. IMO.

I wish all of you single mothers had that. Christian or not. We, as a society, don't seem to make it easy for moms. IMO.

I do pray that she does not lose the house. Or the pets. I think Christine is smart and very talented. I think that, when she is able to, she will pull together in God and do what it is that He has for her. IMO she would do great with all of her talents and her love for children by taking care of little ones at her home. She would be able to stay home with her children, utilize her talents with art, etc. and make an income that could help her to move ahead into more lucrative areas with her talents. IMO.

Thanks for bearing with me through this long post.

I really just meant to show my respect for those of you who are single moms!!

Have a peaceful Good Friday and Happy Easter.

Musterion

[SeattleEddie]

I asked the question yesterday, where is her family? Does she have a family?

The board has spent all morning discussing wife. These are the types of issues her family should be helping with.

If she has a suspicion, or proof, that Nicholas has left, how about sharing?

Also, we do not know what really happened. Maybe Nicholas spoke for months about leaving. Maybe he has been in contact with her. Maybe he has sent money.

I don't think we can make any assumptions.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by n/t


If she's thinking donations are going to support her, she's got a thing coming, imo. Donations don't last forever.

I don't know if that's what you were thinking but that's what I'm thinking.

She would be naive to think it. [/*]

It did in the begining for her - and I didn't read her paying rent on that site - it said - please pray for a HOME for US......lol I'm with Nellie - but godforbid if we think that away - donations must be slacking off some for a new post to appear......JMOO Where is Nicholas we miss you, love you, need you, home safe and sound. What happens if Nicholas finds his way home - there won't be anyone there, and geezzzzzz it's only been 5 wks. I guess it's not for us to understand it or not..........Just My Opinion Only

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi Musterion :seeya:

I didn't see a post below Christines - maybe it was removed.

Beautiful post as always :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


(snipped)

What happens if Nicholas finds his way home - there won't be anyone there,.........Just My Opinion Only [/*]

:( sad to think about

[isitme]

My husband and I were just wondering - if NF is alive and has been reading everything that has been posted by his Bella, what would he be thinking??????

[RainyNiteNTx]

Is there anything we can do as a collective group to help find NF? I know only a few are from Seattle so what can we do?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


:( sad to think about [/*]

What is sad and we take the bait is - when it starts slowing down on post, she makes one of her appearances complaining and it turns it away from Nicholas and focus's on her once again.......ugh! jmoo

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Well I'll be a DING DONG!

I posted a message to CF on her support blog with some supportive suggestions, and a few questions I guess she didn't like, because it took her all of 2 minutes to delete it.

Hmmm??? I was quite easy on what I said, at least I think so .... yet she never responded just took it down. [/*]

Yep, I saw it and yep it's gone now...faster than a speeding bullet. Either she's sitting on that board waiting for posts or sitting here and clicked on the link when it came up.
Or, benefit of a doubt...someone is monitoring and deleting anything negative.
What ever, it just solidifies with me that she cares more for herself than finding her husband. I also wonder what message she is sending her children day in and day out. Is it poor me, poor me?
Children tend to take on guilt in bad family situations. If I was only better they/he/she (parents) wouldn't have yelled, died, left etc. First their daddy is gone, then they see mommy 'crying' about herself.
:flamemad:
I pray that those little ones are getting some sort of support for themselves other than CF. THEY have alot on THEIR plate too!
JMO>MOO>IMO

[isitme]

And then I have also been wondering why she hasn't posted anything to the Support & Prayers for Nicholas blog?

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7151117513766531856&postID=8581164426112581948&page=1


Don't you think it is likely that she has found it, in a google search or reading abut it here? So why would she not post somethig there if for no other reason than to add her name to something positive for her dear husband?

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by Beth

<snip>

April, if you are here and one of us and still have it... maybe you can do a better job at reiterating the post. :)

I saved it, as I thought it said what many have thought/posted but I'm not April.

But since I am a Whosoever, one verse that has meant a lot to me over the years is Matthew 6: 25-29.

Kudos for looking into finding a local PI Beth.

:beer:


:rose: Hope for Nicholas

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Is there anything we can do as a collective group to help find NF? I know only a few are from Seattle so what can we do? [/*]

How about Dr. Phil?
Just a thought I'd throw out there.

[wondering?]

In this area it would be less expensive to rent and not have the expense of high home insurance, taxes, upkeep etc. That is what I would consider if I ever have to leave our home.

It seems that she must have someone advising her that this is the best option for her at this time, not to stick it out, but to make sensible plans for herself and her children.

Even if her mortgage is paid up until April, that is just a few days away. The one drawback I can see is that if he is, God Forbid, dead, and they had mortgage insurance, her house would be paid for int the event of his death. Or at least that is how ours is written, the spouse with the largest income is the one insured. I am sure that you can insure both owners, but for us that cost was too much!

Rentals that accept animals is a problem here also, but in a large area such as Seattle, there may be someone who owns a house, not being used and may just rent it to her at a low cost.
This is what happened to my niece and family, someone heard of their need and came up with a nice home, rent free,for them. This helped them concentrate on their 8 yr. old with Lymphoma.

Christine has to think now about the family that she has left and hope for a good outcome with Nicholas.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
I asked the question yesterday, where is her family? Does she have a family?

<respectfully snipped for focus only>

I don't think we can make any assumptions. [/*]

Reportedly CF has a sister in Seattle.

The missing man's family has set up the Nicholas Francisco Family Fund at Washington Mutual to assist his wife, who is pregnant, and their children, 4-year-old Zea and 2-year-old Noah, said his sister-in-law, Janel Fox, of Seattle.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004195177_dige22m.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

OT - another missing young man found dead :rose:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/21/body-missing-engineer-found-girlfriend-charged/?news-breaking

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Postergeist


I saved it, as I thought it said what many have thought/posted but I'm not April.

But since I am a Whosoever, one verse that has meant a lot to me over the years is Matthew 6: 25-29.

Kudos for looking into finding a local PI Beth.

:beer:


:rose: Hope for Nicholas [/*]

Was it you or Katie that mentioned a reporter who was covering this case and gave the email address?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
There is a front page story in the Seattle Times today about a man who is being held by police for identity theft, who has used 32 different aliases, but authorities still don't know his real identity -- in part because he apparently tried to burn off his fingerprints in the 1990s.

I doubt it has a connection to Nicholas's disappearance, but the lack of fingerprints and also the fact that he lived on Queen Anne, which is where Nicholas was last seen, is at least coincidental.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004296459_johndoe21m.html

With regard to the woman who was found dead in her trunk in the parking lot of an Alzheimers care facility (she didn't live there but was visiting her husband who does) in Federal Way, not far from where Nicholas's car was found, LE is looking for a homeless person who was seen on a gas station security video.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_032108WAB_trunk_body_federal_way_LJ.10*58ea7.ht ml

Although this was close to where Nick's car was found, there is still the issue of why he was in Federal Way in the first place, and could a limping suspect overpower a young, healthy man like Nick in comparison to a 75-year-old woman. So MOO, it doesn't seem related to me. [/*]

Another unsolved case I came across from almost two years ago. Maybe someone has already posted this.

Totally unrelated to Nicholas as the above two cases probably are. But, this man was 27 and was a graphic artist, too.

From downtown Auburn to Panther Lake Park, or around where the condos are it is about six miles.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

http://www.speedpromotion.ro/presa_en/44id

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Beth
well, for what it's worth, I'm tired of seeing nothing getting done. I emailed half of seattle today and about 30 other organizations that are out there. Certainly somebody will take this case on. I am relentless and the silence regarding this case IS deafening.

I'll get answers and I have connections too. :) [/*]

What a great thing to do! I was thinking about that the last couple of days. There are some really good investigative reporters out there - I'm sure Seattle has a few. I wondered why noone from that area is calling Christine and other members of his family - every single day if need be - to get some answers!

The court records that are public knowledge should be checked- just to see what's there and if it could help figure out what is going on.

The old adage that "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" may work!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


I too am concern what the children have been told........ especially now that it is Easter. Children love to participate with family during this time and these memories can stay for a lifetime. Not only do they not have their father with them, they don't have a church to be a part of.

Whatever the problems Christine and Nicholas have, I pray most for the children, they are innocent victims here. [/*]

I know what you mean. The poor kids :(

I hope Christine takes this weekend to focus on her kids. I hope they spend time coloring eggs and waking up to big baskets full of goodies. Regardless of what needs to be paid, bills will always be there, kids don't stay little for long. Nothing will replace the fact that daddy isn't there but it will lift their spirits for a while. I'm sure Christine will make this happen for them.

[decor]

Originally posted by Danette44


What is sad and we take the bait is - when it starts slowing down on post, she makes one of her appearances complaining and it turns it away from Nicholas and focus's on her once again.......ugh! jmoo [/*]

then why does everyone take the bait? want it to stop? don't respond anywhere to what she posts.

[huskiki]

OT but to me there are similarities with Nicholas' case.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/21/body-missing-engineer-found-girlfriend-charged/?news-breaking

LE in this case were on the ball. Sadly the man was found dead.

[dianaelaine]

Hi all,

I'm April .. it's one of my e-mails I use, and I go by April in a few other forums.

The comment was a very nice one I thought, encouraging her to work with the banks, trust God to help, and be thankful that she is paid up as much as she is.

I asked her why her or his family isn't involved more, if she knew if he left her, and encouraged her to share what she knows with the authorities.

I also told her that it saddened me that she hasn't mentioned Nicholas very much, and seems more concerned with money, etc. I can't remember everything.

I don't get it, if somebody wrote that to me, there would be no reason to take it down??? :shrug:

Ah well, I tried.

[Jazmine203]

Originally posted by wondering?


Go to 3/20 message from Christine and it looks like she is looking to rent a home. [/*]

Sorry if this has been covered. Im playing catchup as I didnt know about the holiday threads.. Didnt she already say she had paid through April?

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme
And then I have also been wondering why she hasn't posted anything to the Support & Prayers for Nicholas blog?

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7151117513766531856&postID=8581164426112581948&page=1


Don't you think it is likely that she has found it, in a google search or reading abut it here? So why would she not post somethig there if for no other reason than to add her name to something positive for her dear husband? [/*]

forgive me but I truly do not understand why people cannot see this.

The NF thread is not a supportive thread for Christine and her family who seem to be the ones suffering right now. it was put up by a group of people that don't like Christine, have made sure they posted every negative thing that they could think of about her so why would she post to it?

this is like me saying I am going to criticize every single thing about you until there is nothing left to criticize but then I am going to post a nice blog about you husband so come on over and say something nice on it because it is my blog but it is about your husband.

she is still posting and every single word is still being criticized. every single word.

how obsessive the people that sit here constantly looking to see if anything new has been posted so they can come over here to say LOOK!!!! she posted again!!!!!!!!

the people on this board are spending way more time on here than she is yet everyone complains about how much time she is spending on here. LOL

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi all,

I'm April .. it's one of my e-mails I use, and I go by April in a few other forums.

The comment was a very nice one I thought, encouraging her to work with the banks, trust God to help, and be thankful that she is paid up as much as she is.

I asked her why her or his family isn't involved more, if she knew if he left her, and encouraged her to share what she knows with the authorities.

I also told her that it saddened me that she hasn't mentioned Nicholas very much, and seems more concerned with money, etc. I can't remember everything.

I don't get it, if somebody wrote that to me, there would be no reason to take it down??? :shrug:

Ah well, I tried. [/*]

you really haven't said anything nice about CF here and you may think that what you said to her there was nice but it really wasn't and you wonder why it was taken down?
what part surprises you? why did you even do it? if you felt the need why didn't send a private email?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


forgive me but I truly do not understand why people cannot see this.

The NF thread is not a supportive thread for Christine and her family who seem to be the ones suffering right now. it was put up by a group of people that don't like Christine, have made sure they posted every negative thing that they could think of about her so why would she post to it?

this is like me saying I am going to criticize every single thing about you until there is nothing left to criticize but then I am going to post a nice blog about you husband so come on over and say something nice on it because it is my blog but it is about your husband.

she is still posting and every single word is still being criticized. every single word.

how obsessive the people that sit here constantly looking to see if anything new has been posted so they can come over here to say LOOK!!!! she posted again!!!!!!!!

the people on this board are spending way more time on here than she is yet everyone complains about how much time she is spending on here. LOL [/*]

Hi decor :seeya:

The reason people write about her is becuase she is a piece of the puzzle. In any missing person case the spouse is under a microscope, whether they are a POI or not. If you do not have all the pieces of the puzzle then it cannot be completed. Unfortunatelly, this case is missing many pieces.

People are here because they like to discuss missing person cases, this isn't a support group. I don't mean for that to sound sarcastic but it will probably read that way.

Anyway, I hope you and your family have a Happy Easter!

[SeattleEddie]

Probably OT....but here is a guy who went missing in 2005 from that area near Panther Lake:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

It seem to be an area to stay away from.

[filesmanwife]

Wow!!!!

Cf is great to have a friend like you to defend her. the last thing I would do if my spouse was missing would be to move!!!! Unless I knew beyond a doubt that he/she would not be coming home.


I am so surprised that le hasn't taken her computer equipment just like they did to drew peterson. how about searching the house the cars - has any of that been done?????

I believe that cf is playing the victim.... where is nf - where is his family and why aren't they hounding le - I believe they know where he is..

[SeattleEddie]

Decor, with all due respect. You are the one who is keeping the discussion about wife going. You are the one who tells us what her thoughts and feelings are, what her housing situation is, what her options are, what her various and sundry difficulties are.

And you want to chastise us for speaking about wife??????

[decor]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi decor :seeya:

The reason people write about her is becuase she is a piece of the puzzle. In any missing person case the spouse is under a microscope, whether they are a POI or not. If you do not have all the pieces of the puzzle then it cannot be completed. Unfortunatelly, this case is missing many pieces.

People are here because they like to discuss missing person cases, this isn't a support group. I don't mean for that to sound sarcastic but it will probably read that way.

Anyway, I hope you and your family have a Happy Easter! [/*]

hi huskiki

I understand the scrutinizing everything but you don't out someone under a microscope that you don't think really did anything. If everyone thought she murdered him or if everyone (or most) thought she hired someone to kill him I could understand. But this constant attacking. And I could understand it if it got people closer to the answers.

Is anyone closer to the answer today than they were 5 weeks ago? has all of this bashing brought any results? with no more facts but more bashing will that bring us any closer to the answers?

[figritout]

Been going on a long time...

[SeattleEddie]

Ahhh ignore. IT's a wonderful thing.

[figritout]

Seatle Eddie... Hey my thumbs up post was for your post but forgot to hit quote!

[decor]

Originally posted by filesmanwife
Wow!!!!

Cf is great to have a friend like you to defend her. the last thing I would do if my spouse was missing would be to move!!!! Unless I knew beyond a doubt that he/she would not be coming home.


I am so surprised that le hasn't taken her computer equipment just like they did to drew peterson. how about searching the house the cars - has any of that been done?????

I believe that cf is playing the victim.... where is nf - where is his family and why aren't they hounding le - I believe they know where he is.. [/*]

if the family knows where Nick is why would be Christine be guilty of anything that they would need to take her computer and stuff? If he left and deserted her and his kids doesn't that make her the victim?

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Decor, with all due respect. You are the one who is keeping the discussion about wife going. You are the one who tells us what her thoughts and feelings are, what her housing situation is, what her options are, what her various and sundry difficulties are.

And you want to chastise us for speaking about wife?????? [/*]

with all due respect I think all of my posts have been responses to others who are talking about CF first.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by decor


you really haven't said anything nice about CF here and you may think that what you said to her there was nice but it really wasn't and you wonder why it was taken down?
what part surprises you? why did you even do it? if you felt the need why didn't send a private email? [/*]

-------------------------------------------

I said what HAD to be said ... and I said it all in a very polite way. I make no apologies, I said what "I" said.

I'm 55 years old, when I was 30, my husband left me with 2 small sons, alone.

I had no family to help me .. I lived far from any relatives. I was suffering horribly, because my husband left me, then proceeded to screw every topless dancer he could ... when he had my sons for visitation, I found out later that he had these 'girls' there. They would come home crying and I didn't know until they told me. Of course, things changed then.

I had NO money, no job, no help!
My heart was tearing in two, but I HAD to find an inexpensive babysitter, find a job and had a second job at home, while the kids slept.

I'm a truly good person, I feel CF needs to realize, that even though this is a horrible time for her, there are things that have to be done, while she waits. She can't go on feeling sorry for herself, because there are children depending on her.

Life has a way of growing us up, real fast sometimes ... there are things we have to do, even though we're dying inside. If I were to sit down her CF, I'd tell her these same things, along with helping her help herself.

I didn't e-mail, because I don't know her e-mail address, if I can find it, I surely will.

You spend WAY too much time and energy feeling bad for her .. tough love is sometimes very painful, and even if NF met with foul play, she has to be strong for herself and her children.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


forgive me but I truly do not understand why people cannot see this.

The NF thread is not a supportive thread for Christine and her family who seem to be the ones suffering right now. it was put up by a group of people that don't like Christine, have made sure they posted every negative thing that they could think of about her so why would she post to it?

this is like me saying I am going to criticize every single thing about you until there is nothing left to criticize but then I am going to post a nice blog about you husband so come on over and say something nice on it because it is my blog but it is about your husband.

she is still posting and every single word is still being criticized. every single word.

how obsessive the people that sit here constantly looking to see if anything new has been posted so they can come over here to say LOOK!!!! she posted again!!!!!!!!

the people on this board are spending way more time on here than she is yet everyone complains about how much time she is spending on here. LOL [/*]

CF and family seem to be the only ones suffering? Uhhhh what about NF - you know the one missing? And that support thread was put up because there was not another one out there for the VICTIM.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi all,

I'm April .. it's one of my e-mails I use, and I go by April in a few other forums.

The comment was a very nice one I thought, encouraging her to work with the banks, trust God to help, and be thankful that she is paid up as much as she is.

I asked her why her or his family isn't involved more, if she knew if he left her, and encouraged her to share what she knows with the authorities.

I also told her that it saddened me that she hasn't mentioned Nicholas very much, and seems more concerned with money, etc. I can't remember everything.

I don't get it, if somebody wrote that to me, there would be no reason to take it down??? :shrug:

Ah well, I tried. [/*]

I must have read it right before it was deleted. I thought it was the perfect thing to say.

[dianaelaine]

And only ONE person responded to my post on the Biz site, when I put up the link to the 'Support Nicholas' blog.

How sad ...

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


CF and family seem to be the only ones suffering? Uhhhh what about NF - you know the one missing? And that support thread was put up because there was not another one out there for the VICTIM. [/*]

Rainey

if he left out of choice why does he need support?
if he didn't leave and met with violence and is dead then he doesn't need support.

If something did happen to him because of a mental disorder or such and he doesn't know who he is he really doesn't need support blog because he wouldn't even know it was there.

People are praying and they are praying for either Nick or his family or both but they don't have to post on a blog to do it. I never understood why it was done except to show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Shelby1


I must have read it right before it was deleted. I thought it was the perfect thing to say. [/*]

Thank you Shelby ...

It was deleted before I posted here, so she or somebody, deleted it before anybody could have read it here.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


hi huskiki

I understand the scrutinizing everything but you don't out someone under a microscope that you don't think really did anything. If everyone thought she murdered him or if everyone (or most) thought she hired someone to kill him I could understand. But this constant attacking. And I could understand it if it got people closer to the answers.

Is anyone closer to the answer today than they were 5 weeks ago? has all of this bashing brought any results? with no more facts but more bashing will that bring us any closer to the answers? [/*]

Nope, we're not any closer now to knowing what happened to Nicholas then we were on the first post. I don't think Christine did anything to Nicholas ie: killed him or had him killed. She might have contributed to him leaving which is the main scenario in this case.

Many people here have offered suggestions for Christine. Those suggestions might get lost in the shuffle or be taken the wrong way but people are trying to help. Some people are willing to help that live in the area, others are emailing people they know in the area. You know I have said that I would help if I lived closer. I'm in NY, I'm not even in a neighboring state where I could make a road trip.

If you step back and take a look at this case from an outsiders point of view you would see that her actions are strange. I know people react differently but some things are just off.

Everyone here wants Nicholas to return safely, for himself, for his kids and for Christine.

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


-------------------------------------------

I said what HAD to be said ... and I said it all in a very polite way. I make no apologies, I said what "I" said.

I'm 55 years old, when I was 30, my husband left me with 2 small sons, alone.

I had no family to help me .. I lived far from any relatives. I was suffering horribly, because my husband left me, then proceeded to screw every topless dancer he could ... when he had my sons for visitation, I found out later that he had these 'girls' there. They would come home crying and I didn't know until they told me. Of course, things changed then.

I had NO money, no job, no help!
My heart was tearing in two, but I HAD to find an inexpensive babysitter, find a job and had a second job at home, while the kids slept.

I'm a truly good person, I feel CF needs to realize, that even though this is a horrible time for her, there are things that have to be done, while she waits. She can't go on feeling sorry for herself, because there are children depending on her.

Life has a way of growing us up, real fast sometimes ... there are things we have to do, even though we're dying inside. If I were to sit down her CF, I'd tell her these same things, along with helping her help herself.

I didn't e-mail, because I don't know her e-mail address, if I can find it, I surely will.

You spend WAY too much time and energy feeling bad for her .. tough love is sometimes very painful, and even if NF met with foul play, she has to be strong for herself and her children. [/*]

I understand your pain but you are not alone in things you have gone thru. My ex gave me cancer, I got trapped in a burning house because of his negligence. I lived with a drug addict for 23 years, and my ex had hundreds of other women when we were married. Life stinks. what can I tell you. Each of us has problems and we do the best we can with them.

But what gives us the right to tell someone else how they should handle their life if we aren't asked?

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor


with all due respect I think all of my posts have been responses to others who are talking about CF first. [/*]

If you would spend your considerable passion, talent and energy helping wife with her many life challenges at this time, I think you would have far more success. To defend her on blogs, to strangers is a losing battle. And I have to wonder: WHY?

[filesmanwife]

Ok Decor in a respectful manner could you answer this question.

why is cf, when she posts not asking for help in finding nf. She is asking for help in finding a new house??

This to me is unusual behavior. As is the behaviour of nf family in their silence.

This board as far as I can tell has not been "bashing" cf. Just asking questions for which the standard answer is "quit bashing cf".

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


If you would spend your considerable passion, talent and energy helping wife with her many life challenges at this time, I think you would have far more success. To defend her on blogs, to strangers is a losing battle. And I have to wonder: WHY? [/*]

I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


Rainey

if he left out of choice why does he need support?
if he didn't leave and met with violence and is dead then he doesn't need support.

If something did happen to him because of a mental disorder or such and he doesn't know who he is he really doesn't need support blog because he wouldn't even know it was there.

People are praying and they are praying for either Nick or his family or both but they don't have to post on a blog to do it. I never understood why it was done except to show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was. [/*]

WOW - if he is dead and his body is rotting somewhere,yes he needs support - support of his family and LE to try and find him and bring him to a proper burial.

I will continue to support the victim in this case which to my understanding is a young man who LE feels may have met with foul play.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard. [/*]

IMO JMO MOO She shouldn't even come here and read what is being posted. Even if we weren't discussing her. A person would need to have a strong stomach to read the possibilites of what could have happened to a loved one who's gone missing. Not everyone can do that and I think Christine falls into that category.

[SeattleEddie]

Unrelenting defense flames suspicion. It has the opposite consequence than what's intended. FWIW

[decor]

Originally posted by filesmanwife
Ok Decor in a respectful manner could you answer this question.

why is cf, when she posts not asking for help in finding nf. She is asking for help in finding a new house??

This to me is unusual behavior. As is the behaviour of nf family in their silence.

This board as far as I can tell has not been "bashing" cf. Just asking questions for which the standard answer is "quit bashing cf". [/*]

I can't answer that because I don't know if she assumes her husband chose to leave, if she was convinced by someone that he chose to leave, if she still believes that he is dead but knows that she has 2 kids to take care of and one on the way nad has to do what she can to take care of them.

would you rather she spent every waking hour on Nick and in 6 months end up living under a bridge with her kids because she didn't take responsibility for them and plan ahead of time?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard. [/*]

She has a voice - Nicholas does not.

[Miss Behavin]

I don't post here too often but I do check the boards on a fairly regular basis. Yesterday morning I went back through from the very beginning and re-read every single article about NF missing and I re-watched every single interview CF has given.

Sorry guys - don't mean to offend anyone here, but I can't help but go back to my initial gut feeling about this case from the very first moment I heard a pregnant woman "pleading" for info about her missing husband.

My first instinct was, "yeah, right!" To me it sounded like she knew he left, probably with another woman, and she made it out to be a missing person's case to (1) make him feel guilty for leaving her right before valentine's day (2) make him feel guilty for leavng his kids (using the cookie story) and (3) gain public sympathy.

Public sympathy goes a long way for a woman who is pregnant and raising two small kids.

Since LE investigated and found nothing and scaled back their investigation, NF's family hasn't said anything about him missing, iirc. To me, that says they know he is safe and alive and doesn't want to be "found" at this time. She probably knows too. Maybe LE knows - maybe they don't. They already made the statement that it's not illegal to disappear.

The thing that bothers me the most about nobody speaking out is that the public seems to care more and is more involved than she is OR his family is. At times I get so angry and throw my hands up because I feel like if none of them care about it then why should the rest of us devote so much time and energy when his own family IS NOT?!? I have a real problem with that! To me, that is taking advantage of good-hearted people who genuinely care - while the money continues to roll in that direction!

I was extremely put off at the last interview CF gave at her home. That margarita comment and rolling of the eyes spoke volumes to me. She is so convinced he is near water? WTH is up with that. She seems to want to believe the worst and that also speaks volumes to me. Or, it could be that's just what she wants the public to think. For all we know this whole thing could be a ruse because of financial problems!

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


WOW - if he is dead and his body is rotting somewhere,yes he needs support - support of his family and LE to try and find him and bring him to a proper burial.

I will continue to support the victim in this case which to my understanding is a young man who LE feels may have met with foul play. [/*]

rainey
of course he would need that. I was strictly referring to the blog.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor


I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard. [/*]

and p.s. Wife voice is certainly not unheard.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by decor


I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard. [/*]

Thanks so much for defending Christine. Words hurt and I worry about her and all the negative stuff going around may be really damaging her. Thanks so much.

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Unrelenting defense flames suspicion. It has the opposite consequence than what's intended. FWIW [/*]

suspicion of what? I live in PA on the other side of the country. I never heard of this family until this happened.
I came here because I couldn't stand all of the yes, yes, yes on the thread for on the other site.
I sell over there so couldn't post anything if it wasn't 100% positive, and I couldn't question anything. I saw no reason to get banned from selling on that site.

I didn't want to read something that was 100% positive, but I didn't want to read something that was 100% negative either.

I have explained this at least four times already so I this is the last time I am explaining myself.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


<snip>

At times I get so angry and throw my hands up because I feel like if none of them care about it then why should the rest of us devote so much time and energy when his own family IS NOT?!? I have a real problem with that! To me, that is taking advantage of good-hearted people who genuinely care - while the money continues to roll in that direction!

<snip>
[/*]

This bears repeating!

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


This bears repeating! [/*]

and I think Harlett said that they do care and have been doing things even though no one here knows about it.

[desmom]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


-------------------------------------------

I said what HAD to be said ... and I said it all in a very polite way. I make no apologies, I said what "I" said.

I'm 55 years old, when I was 30, my husband left me with 2 small sons, alone.

I had no family to help me .. I lived far from any relatives. I was suffering horribly, because my husband left me, then proceeded to screw every topless dancer he could ... when he had my sons for visitation, I found out later that he had these 'girls' there. They would come home crying and I didn't know until they told me. Of course, things changed then.

I had NO money, no job, no help!
My heart was tearing in two, but I HAD to find an inexpensive babysitter, find a job and had a second job at home, while the kids slept.

I'm a truly good person, I feel CF needs to realize, that even though this is a horrible time for her, there are things that have to be done, while she waits. She can't go on feeling sorry for herself, because there are children depending on her.

Life has a way of growing us up, real fast sometimes ... there are things we have to do, even though we're dying inside. If I were to sit down her CF, I'd tell her these same things, along with helping her help herself.

I didn't e-mail, because I don't know her e-mail address, if I can find it, I surely will.

You spend WAY too much time and energy feeling bad for her .. tough love is sometimes very painful, and even if NF met with foul play, she has to be strong for herself and her children. [/*]

{{{{{Diane}}}}}}

You survived because you knew those 2 little boys were depending on you. You go girl!

:patriot:

jmo

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


and p.s. Wife voice is certainly not unheard. [/*]

sure it is. I think very few have really listened because they are so busy trying to figure out what she REALLY means.

[SeattleEddie]

On a public board, there's no credibility without evidence.

IMO

<going on ignore mode now, time to get off the merry-go-round and stop feeding the trolls>

[decor]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Thanks so much for defending Christine. Words hurt and I worry about her and all the negative stuff going around may be really damaging her. Thanks so much. [/*]

I know they hurt. I also know she is young and all of this is going to stay with her for the rest of her life no matter what. I also know that unless she has done something horrible she didn't deserve this.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by desmom


{{{{{Diane}}}}}}

You survived because you knew those 2 little boys were depending on you. You go girl!

:patriot:

jmo [/*]

Ditto, Diane. You go, girl!

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
On a public board, there's no credibility without evidence.

IMO

<going on ignore mode now, time to get off the merry-go-round and stop feeding the trolls> [/*]

why? just because I don't agree with you? it is only okay if people are on "your" side?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by appledipper
The whole praying for a 2-3 bdr. home with den post is really tacky IMO. [/*]

Where do you see that at apple???

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by decor


I know they hurt. I also know she is young and all of this is going to stay with her for the rest of her life no matter what. I also know that unless she has done something horrible she didn't deserve this. [/*]

No, she does'nt deserve this. I wonder why this thread is titled Nicholas Francisco. I think a more appropriate title should have something with Christine's name in it since I see very little discussion of Nicholas, and page after page of Christine.

JMO

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
On a public board, there's no credibility without evidence.

IMO

<going on ignore mode now, time to get off the merry-go-round and stop feeding the trolls> [/*]:rolleyes:

[decor]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie


No, she does'nt deserve this. I wonder why this thread is titled Nicholas Francisco. I think a more appropriate title should have something with Christine's name in it since I see very little discussion of Nicholas, and page after page of Christine.

JMO [/*]

I said the same thing several threads ago.

[AMS]

Originally posted by decor


forgive me but I truly do not understand why people cannot see this.

The NF thread is not a supportive thread for Christine and her family who seem to be the ones suffering right now. it was put up by a group of people that don't like Christine, have made sure they posted every negative thing that they could think of about her so why would she post to it?

this is like me saying I am going to criticize every single thing about you until there is nothing left to criticize but then I am going to post a nice blog about you husband so come on over and say something nice on it because it is my blog but it is about your husband.

she is still posting and every single word is still being criticized. every single word.

how obsessive the people that sit here constantly looking to see if anything new has been posted so they can come over here to say LOOK!!!! she posted again!!!!!!!!

the people on this board are spending way more time on here than she is yet everyone complains about how much time she is spending on here. LOL [/*]


I posted on the Support NF site for one reason only....to show support for Nicholas. He is in my thoughts and prayers. I believe that is why it is called "Supporting Nicholas Francisco". By posting on this site, does NOT mean that I am not concerned about Christine or the children.

Also, I am a public official. I get talked about quite often on talk radio and on the blogs. There are some sites/shows that don't agree with me and my decisions. Sometimes it is painful to listen to/read. So, you know what I do (or don't do)? I don't listen to the shows or read the blogs. They have a right to state their opinions/thoughts. The information is important for me to hear so I have friends read/listen for me. I would suggest to Christine that she do the same. Don't bring on additional anguish.

FWIW.

AMS

[SeattleEddie]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

I am posting this again, because this guy....same age, disappeared from that area near Panther Lake in 2005. I mean, can there really be this many crimes in that five-block area? (including yesterday's body in trunk)

I don't know Federal Way well (it's so far away) but it's curious that so many crimes taking place in that distinct region.

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by decor


I said the same thing several threads ago. [/*]I have been reading for a few day's now, and am completely appalled at the many posts bashing this woman who's husband is missing!. If they put half as much energy into looking for ways to help find Nicholas as they do for bashing his wife, no telling what they might be able to accomplish!

JMO

[desmom]

The other day I was reading at WS. One of their members posted a statement from http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html This member's post made me look at this article again.

King County sheriff's investigators say there was nothing inside the car to indicate foul play or to point to the SeaTac man's whereabouts. As a result, investigators have scaled back their search for him.
Nothing inside the car to indicate foul play - IMO, they are saying no blood evidence, the ignition had not been popped, car had not been hot wired, windows were not broke out, glove compartment had not been rifled, the driver's seat and mirrors were in the correct position for someone NF's height, everything in the trunk was intact.

Nothing to point to the SeaTac man's whereabouts - This is kind of an open ended sentence. I get the impression they did find something, but it does not help in locating NF's location. Could LE have found a "I am leaving" or "I need a break" note? Has LE scaled back because they believe he walked, but they need to confirm he is safe? Is this why the investigators are checking the internet for sightings?

Detectives and Francisco are relying heavily on the Internet with the hope of finding Nicholas. While Laing said investigators are checking the Internet for possible sightings..

jmo

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by decor


I understand your pain but you are not alone in things you have gone thru. My ex gave me cancer, I got trapped in a burning house because of his negligence. I lived with a drug addict for 23 years, and my ex had hundreds of other women when we were married. Life stinks. what can I tell you. Each of us has problems and we do the best we can with them.

But what gives us the right to tell someone else how they should handle their life if we aren't asked? [/*]

Because I'm a mover and a shaker, and I'm very good at getting things done.

I've helped many people who couldn't seem to 'move' or were 'frozen' with pain, fear, etc. .. to learn how to do what they had to do ... to get on.

But alas, I think CF doesn't want to hear anything other than what she wants to hear ... there are some who you just can't help.

If I could take her under my wing, and she would allow it, I would. My heart IS in the right place, God knows that.

Anyway .. moving along

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by decor


I do not know Christine so it would be a little silly to assume that I could help her.

You wonder why I defend her? I have said this several times. She could not possibly come here and post to defend herself because she would be dissected so I chose to be a voice her for because everyone is entitled to have their voice heard. [/*]

How do YOU know, she WANTS you to be her voice? :rolleyes:

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


How do YOU know, she WANTS you to be her voice? :rolleyes: [/*]

somehow I really think she doesn't mind.

if strangers were riping you apart how would you feel about another stranger standing up for you?

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Because I'm a mover and a shaker, and I'm very good at getting things done.

I've helped many people who couldn't seem to 'move' or were 'frozen' with pain, fear, etc. .. to learn how to do what they had to do ... to get on.

But alas, I think CF doesn't want to hear anything other than what she wants to hear ... there are some who you just can't help.

If I could take her under my wing, and she would allow it, I would. My heart IS in the right place, God knows that.

Anyway .. moving along [/*]

if you had been supportive of her I'm sure she may have considered being taken under your wing. on the other hand maybe not because posting on the internet does not mean we really know someone.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


If you would spend your considerable passion, talent and energy helping wife with her many life challenges at this time, I think you would have far more success. To defend her on blogs, to strangers is a losing battle. And I have to wonder: WHY? [/*]

As a Woman, wife, mother, Christian and human being I feel she needs a voice here. NO one has the right to try and take over her life with accusations that you know nothing about. If she chooses to remain silent and if his family chooses to remain silent except for talking to LE so be it. That is simply there decision to make.

Nicholas is their family member and it is their decision. All the speculation and "If it was me" dialog has not helped anything but turn this into a gossip session board rather than a crime board. But regardless WE ALL have the same right to an opinion and should all be respected when stating that opinion.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


Thanks so much for defending Christine. Words hurt and I worry about her and all the negative stuff going around may be really damaging her. Thanks so much. [/*]

Let's see now, how many times was this said?

THIS IS A MISSING PERSONS BOARD!

This is NOT a support CF board ...

Holy Moly!!!

Anybody got any chocolate ?????

HURRY!

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


As a Woman, wife, mother, Christian and human being I feel she needs a voice here. NO one has the right to try and take over her life with accusations that you know nothing about. If she chooses to remain silent and if his family chooses to remain silent except for talking to LE so be it. That is simply there decision to make.

Nicholas is their family member and it is their decision. All the speculation and "If it was me" dialog has not helped anything but turn this into a gossip session board rather than a crime board. But regardless WE ALL have the same right to an opinion and should all be respected when stating that opinion. [/*]:beer:

I think this is worth repeating!

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by desmom


{{{{{Diane}}}}}}

You survived because you knew those 2 little boys were depending on you. You go girl!

:patriot:

jmo [/*]

Thanks Desmom, man .. when I think back now, sometimes I wonder how I did it.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


Ditto, Diane. You go, girl! [/*]

Thanks Eddie, I'm kinda glad it happened, it 'grew me up' fast .. and taught me to be strong.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

I am posting this again, because this guy....same age, disappeared from that area near Panther Lake in 2005. I mean, can there really be this many crimes in that five-block area? (including yesterday's body in trunk)

I don't know Federal Way well (it's so far away) but it's curious that so many crimes taking place in that distinct region. [/*]

put a letterb where the * is in the link. I must be doing something wrong, I can't get it to display properly.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

I am posting this again, because this guy....same age, disappeared from that area near Panther Lake in 2005. I mean, can there really be this many crimes in that five-block area? (including yesterday's body in trunk)

I don't know Federal Way well (it's so far away) but it's curious that so many crimes taking place in that distinct region. [/*]

Gosh Eddie, I just e-mailed my son about going down and looking around, but maybe you two should go together!

Now I'm not so sure I want him down there!

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by decor


somehow I really think she doesn't mind.

if strangers were riping you apart how would you feel about another stranger standing up for you? [/*]

Soryy, Decor. I would have been with you on this yesterday, but today I'm not. It is my opinion that Christine does not want to be bothered with anyone discussing her, defending her, or even speaking of her in any way. It is very confusing. I just don't understand it.

[Track292003]

Just a question:

Do the same divisions of LE (city or county) work on the missing/homicide cases from Queen Anne AND from Federal Way? If not, do the the various agencies confer on the cases?

TIA.

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


put a letterb where the * is in the link. I must be doing something wrong, I can't get it to display properly. [/*]

I think it is interesting too especially this part:
Caucasian/Pacific Islander

[isitme]

If reading what is being said around the internet about this case and about her is painful to her, it's going to be a real shocker to her down the road when she has to be both mom and dad and sole provider to her family if NF does not come home.

And I find it a bit selfish of her and the family members to remain silent for the sole reason that they don't want to be talked about, questioned or put in the hot seat. Of course they are in pain. But they aren't the first ones to be in this painful situation, and unfortunately won't be the last, so why are they so much more special that they won't take on the public if that public may be able to help?

Every day we here have to hear why aren't we doing anything to find him instead of beating up on CF - we are. This isn't entertainment - at least not for me. But we could probably do so much more if we had honest, straight forward answers. Not illusions of answers, but some honest facts from some reputable people. If those answers lead any one of us to question the actions or motives of anyone close to NF then I say it is a small price to pay if it brings NF home in any fashion.


The above is not meant to bash or hurt anyone. They are my feelings and my feelings and opinions only.

[decor]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Soryy, Decor. I would have been with you on this yesterday, but today I'm not. It is my opinion that Christine does not want to be bothered with anyone discussing her, defending her, or even speaking of her in any way. It is very confusing. I just don't understand it. [/*]

has she said so? if so then I will stop if that is what she wants.

don't forget she's pregnant which wreaks havoc on a woman's hormones :)

[desmom]

Originally posted by Track292003
Just a question:

Do the same divisions of LE (city or county) work on the missing/homicide cases from Queen Anne AND from Federal Way? If not, do the the various agencies confer on the cases?

TIA. [/*]

From other cases I have followed, a missing person case can involve several LE agencies from the area. i.e. the Trenton Duckett case had 9-10 local, county and state level agencies involved in the investigation at one time. They met weekly. Because it was in Leesburg PD's jurisdiction, they were the lead agency.

jmo

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by desmom


From other cases I have followed, a missing person case can involve several LE agencies from the area. i.e. the Trenton Duckett case had 9-10 local, county and state level agencies involved in the investigation at one time. They met weekly. Because it was in Leesburg PD's jurisdiction, they were the lead agency.

jmo [/*]
I think there is a big difference when it involves a child. Unfortunately when an adult and especially a male really little is done because LE just don't want to "waste" their time.

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme
If reading what is being said around the internet about this case and about her is painful to her, it's going to be a real shocker to her down the road when she has to be both mom and dad and sole provider to her family if NF does not come home.

And I find it a bit selfish of her and the family members to remain silent for the sole reason that they don't want to be talked about, questioned or put in the hot seat. Of course they are in pain. But they aren't the first ones to be in this painful situation, and unfortunately won't be the last, so why are they so much more special that they won't take on the public if that public may be able to help?

Every day we here have to hear why aren't we doing anything to find him instead of beating up on CF - we are. This isn't entertainment - at least not for me. But we could probably do so much more if we had honest, straight forward answers. Not illusions of answers, but some honest facts from some reputable people. If those answers lead any one of us to question the actions or motives of anyone close to NF then I say it is a small price to pay if it brings NF home in any fashion.


The above is not meant to bash or hurt anyone. They are my feelings and my feelings and opinions only. [/*]

for me personally, I find this whole thing rather overwhelming.

I often think about past President's and how they got elected. There was no mass media so how did they get the word out enough to be elected? All they had were newspapers.

then radio came along and far more people heard from the candidates themselves. Then tv came along and they heard them and saw them (which I a still not sure is such a good thing since we tend to base things on a person's looks to some degree)

now the internet. being on this forum has made me so aware to be so careful what I put out there. I have warned my kids about what they put out there. And I will do the same for my grandkids.

Whole lives are out on display for people to see and criticize. There is no such thing as privacy and it is frightening.

[Miss Behavin]

Does anybody know how long a person has to be missing before they are presumed dead?

And, in a case such as that, is a death certificate issued?

Spouse can't get ss survivor benefits without death certificate, right?

TIA

[desmom]

CW has warned us several times about attacking other posters. We may be on a weekend/holiday forum, but the rules still apply and posters can be banned.

If you don't like a post, we have an ignore button under user cp. Please use it.

There are ways of pointing out why you disagree with a post without attacking the poster.

This is a crime message board. People use the imo, jmo, moo because it is an opinion. CF is part of the big picture. She is going to be discussed. Scenarios/opinions are going to be posted.

jmo :biggrin:

[decor]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Does anybody know how long a person has to be missing before they are presumed dead?

And, in a case such as that, is a death certificate issued?

Spouse can't get ss survivor benefits without death certificate, right?

TIA [/*]

some have said 7 years but I saw where that guy that flew the hot air balloons and went missing in his plane, his wife, filed after less than a year so I don't know.

yes death cert, would be issued once declared dead.

NO SS without a death certificate for sure.

[zenharmony19]

Hi, I have been lurking for a long time but today just wanted to post a couple of thoughts, and see if anybody has any theories about them...

The battery on Nicholas's cell phone was dead when he left work around 6 pm on the night he disappeared. This was stated by Christine and verified by at least one co-worker, if I remember correctly (saw this info on these boards a while back). Does anyone know if he let his cell phone go dead on a regular basis?
This is indeed an interesting coincidence, that this happened on the night he goes missing. Hmmm. Yes, this might lead some people to believe he took off, intentionally letting his cell phone battery run down so that he could less suspiciously make his getaway. But there are also other possibilities, what if he had a special (secret) meeting with someone that night and didn't want to be disturbed? That would be just as good of a reason for purposely letting the battery die down.
Also, I can't help suspect if he went missing and it was foul play, that it was somebody he knew, either well, or had known briefly. That night, he could have been going to:
1) Meet a lover for a quickie
2) Pick up some kind of drugs (illegal)
3) Buy a bracelet for Christine for Valentine's Day from a fence
4) Pick up some freelance graphic work from a new client
5) Etc..

In any of these cases, something might have gone terribly wrong. They hid the body, took his belongings, and dumped the car.

Just my thoughts and JMO

[decor]

his name was Steve Fossett and he went missing in Sept.2007. His wife petitioned to have him declared dead the next month! I think it was 6 months before the court agreed.
strange. I thought you had to wait longer than that.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


Rainey

if he left out of choice why does he need support?
if he didn't leave and met with violence and is dead then he doesn't need support.

If something did happen to him because of a mental disorder or such and he doesn't know who he is he really doesn't need support blog because he wouldn't even know it was there.

People are praying and they are praying for either Nick or his family or both but they don't have to post on a blog to do it. I never understood why it was done except to show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was. [/*]

As far as why the blog for supporting Nicholas was set up, I explained that when I set it up earlier this week, but maybe you missed it. It definitely wasn't done to "show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was." Quite the opposite. In fact the blog includes a link to the blog at supportingchristine.wordpress.com where there are dozens of messages of support for Christine. What I noticed though is that there are very few messages there of support or prayers for Nicholas, his parents, or his sisters. It really is about "supporting Christine."

The blog for Nicholas wasn't to "show Christine" anything. It was set up on the off-chance that maybe Nicholas is out there somewhere in a situation where some support and caring words would help him. To "show Nicholas" that people care.

Christine has loads of support -- from the prayers and good wishes and donations of people at E*** to the group of you that come on here and defend her good name every day against any comments or questions that you consider "bashing".

I wouldn't expect Christine to post anything on a "supporting Nicholas" blog. Considering she hasn't made any comments that I would consider "supportive" of her husband in any of her posts or interviews, it doesn't seem to be a priority to her to do so.

Of course, I'll understand if you still don't understand the purpose of the supporting Nicholas blog, or wish to believe in the negative intentions that you've accused me of having when I set it up.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by decor


some have said 7 years but I saw where that guy that flew the hot air balloons and went missing in his plane, his wife, filed after less than a year so I don't know.

yes death cert, would be issued once declared dead.

NO SS without a death certificate for sure. [/*]

:seeya: Thanks!

So, what would happen then if all that was done and then after a year - or several years - the "dead" person reappeared?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by desmom


From other cases I have followed, a missing person case can involve several LE agencies from the area. i.e. the Trenton Duckett case had 9-10 local, county and state level agencies involved in the investigation at one time. They met weekly. Because it was in Leesburg PD's jurisdiction, they were the lead agency.

jmo [/*]

Hey demom O/T here - I seen Trentons face on a flyer the other day here in florida, one of them Buddy Rent To Own places......almost 2 yrs and his face is still popping up......:) Nicholas 5 weeks and what can I say. moo

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


As far as why the blog for supporting Nicholas was set up, I explained that when I set it up earlier this week, but maybe you missed it. It definitely wasn't done to "show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was." Quite the opposite. In fact the blog includes a link to the blog at supportingchristine.wordpress.com where there are dozens of messages of support for Christine. What I noticed though is that there are very few messages there of support or prayers for Nicholas, his parents, or his sisters. It really is about "supporting Christine."

The blog for Nicholas wasn't to "show Christine" anything. It was set up on the off-chance that maybe Nicholas is out there somewhere in a situation where some support and caring words would help him. To "show Nicholas" that people care.

Christine has loads of support -- from the prayers and good wishes and donations of people at E*** to the group of you that come on here and defend her good name every day against any comments or questions that you consider "bashing".

I wouldn't expect Christine to post anything on a "supporting Nicholas" blog. Considering she hasn't made any comments that I would consider "supportive" of her husband in any of her posts or interviews, it doesn't seem to be a priority to her to do so.

Of course, I'll understand if you still don't understand the purpose of the supporting Nicholas blog, or wish to believe in the negative intentions that you've accused me of having when I set it up. [/*]

I completely understand your intentions. I just don't see others that are not from this board viewing it that way.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by zenharmony19
Hi, I have been lurking for a long time but today just wanted to post a couple of thoughts, and see if anybody has any theories about them...

The battery on Nicholas's cell phone was dead when he left work around 6 pm on the night he disappeared. This was stated by Christine and verified by at least one co-worker, if I remember correctly (saw this info on these boards a while back). Does anyone know if he let his cell phone go dead on a regular basis?
This is indeed an interesting coincidence, that this happened on the night he goes missing. Hmmm. Yes, this might lead some people to believe he took off, intentionally letting his cell phone battery run down so that he could less suspiciously make his getaway. But there are also other possibilities, what if he had a special (secret) meeting with someone that night and didn't want to be disturbed? That would be just as good of a reason for purposely letting the battery die down.
Also, I can't help suspect if he went missing and it was foul play, that it was somebody he knew, either well, or had known briefly. That night, he could have been going to:
1) Meet a lover for a quickie
2) Pick up some kind of drugs (illegal)
3) Buy a bracelet for Christine for Valentine's Day from a fence
4) Pick up some freelance graphic work from a new client
5) Etc..

In any of these cases, something might have gone terribly wrong. They hid the body, took his belongings, and dumped the car.

Just my thoughts and JMO [/*]

good ideas on the above post.

[decor]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


:seeya: Thanks!

So, what would happen then if all that was done and then after a year - or several years - the "dead" person reappeared? [/*]

this has happened and if I remember correctly every one tried to get their money back insurance co., SS, but that is all I remember about it. I don't if they succeeded or not.

[desmom]

Originally posted by decor
his name was Steve Fossett and he went missing in Sept.2007. His wife petitioned to have him declared dead the next month! I think it was 6 months before the court agreed.
strange. I thought you had to wait longer than that. [/*]

She did not petition the courts until the end of November.

jmo

[desmom]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hey demom O/T here - I seen Trentons face on a flyer the other day here in florida, one of them Buddy Rent To Own places......almost 2 yrs and his face is still popping up......:) Nicholas 5 weeks and what can I say. moo [/*]

Thanks.

:rose: Trenton


:rose: Nicholas

[decor]

Originally posted by desmom


She did not petition the courts until the end of November.

jmo [/*]

I'm sorry, you are are correct, it was two months not one. I knew it was Nov. I just forget to count Oct. :)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor
his name was Steve Fossett and he went missing in Sept.2007. His wife petitioned to have him declared dead the next month! I think it was 6 months before the court agreed.
strange. I thought you had to wait longer than that. [/*]

The fact that he was in a plane and there was a good chance that it had crashed, even though it hasn't been found yet, may be why the judge granted the petition without a longer wait.

Here is a story about him that some might find interesting to read:

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/March-2008/Without-a-Trace/

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by zenharmony19
Hi, I have been lurking for a long time but today just wanted to post a couple of thoughts, and see if anybody has any theories about them...

The battery on Nicholas's cell phone was dead when he left work around 6 pm on the night he disappeared. This was stated by Christine and verified by at least one co-worker, if I remember correctly (saw this info on these boards a while back). Does anyone know if he let his cell phone go dead on a regular basis?
This is indeed an interesting coincidence, that this happened on the night he goes missing. Hmmm. Yes, this might lead some people to believe he took off, intentionally letting his cell phone battery run down so that he could less suspiciously make his getaway. But there are also other possibilities, what if he had a special (secret) meeting with someone that night and didn't want to be disturbed? That would be just as good of a reason for purposely letting the battery die down.
Also, I can't help suspect if he went missing and it was foul play, that it was somebody he knew, either well, or had known briefly. That night, he could have been going to:
1) Meet a lover for a quickie
2) Pick up some kind of drugs (illegal)
3) Buy a bracelet for Christine for Valentine's Day from a fence
4) Pick up some freelance graphic work from a new client
5) Etc..

In any of these cases, something might have gone terribly wrong. They hid the body, took his belongings, and dumped the car.

Just my thoughts and JMO [/*]

------------------------------------------

All possibilities ...

Also, if he removed the battery, the phone wouldn't work at all either, right?

I mean, we don't know if he removed it himself or not.

From the very beginning, my sixth sense told me that was strange too, about the phone. Especially since he made it a point to tell coworkers.

But then I think, would he leave those precious babies, and CF to have to take care of the house payments, etc.? Maybe things were so bad at home, he lost it and really needed to leave. Maybe/hopefully, he intends to contact them SOON.

Did anybody find any chocolate yet???

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


As far as why the blog for supporting Nicholas was set up, I explained that when I set it up earlier this week, but maybe you missed it. It definitely wasn't done to "show Christine that she wasn't being supported but her husband was." Quite the opposite. In fact the blog includes a link to the blog at supportingchristine.wordpress.com where there are dozens of messages of support for Christine. What I noticed though is that there are very few messages there of support or prayers for Nicholas, his parents, or his sisters. It really is about "supporting Christine."

The blog for Nicholas wasn't to "show Christine" anything. It was set up on the off-chance that maybe Nicholas is out there somewhere in a situation where some support and caring words would help him. To "show Nicholas" that people care.

Christine has loads of support -- from the prayers and good wishes and donations of people at E*** to the group of you that come on here and defend her good name every day against any comments or questions that you consider "bashing".

I wouldn't expect Christine to post anything on a "supporting Nicholas" blog. Considering she hasn't made any comments that I would consider "supportive" of her husband in any of her posts or interviews, it doesn't seem to be a priority to her to do so.

Of course, I'll understand if you still don't understand the purpose of the supporting Nicholas blog, or wish to believe in the negative intentions that you've accused me of having when I set it up. [/*]

TTT - thank you again for doing all of that. Your blog was made with the best of intentions and with the purest of heart. I signed it with that spirit in mind - having great sympathy for someone who may be lost, hurt, injured or deceased. Its a shame that his site has less than 20 comments but there are hundreds for someone that we know is not missing and is safe.

:rose: For Nicholas - May you find your way home on your own

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


TTT - thank you again for doing all of that. Your blog was made with the best of intentions and with the purest of heart. I signed it with that spirit in mind - having great sympathy for someone who may be lost, hurt, injured or deceased. Its a shame that his site has less than 20 comments but there are hundreds for someone that we know is not missing and is safe.

:rose: For Nicholas - May you find your way home on your own [/*]

Ditto!

[Musterion]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

I am posting this again, because this guy....same age, disappeared from that area near Panther Lake in 2005. I mean, can there really be this many crimes in that five-block area? (including yesterday's body in trunk)

I don't know Federal Way well (it's so far away) but it's curious that so many crimes taking place in that distinct region. [/*]

That is interesting, Eddie. I didn't know about that.

I posted this earlier, about a young man around Nicholas' age, graphic artist, that disappeared around six miles from Panther Lake Park. In Auburn.

"Another unsolved case I came across from almost two years ago. Maybe someone has already posted this.

Totally unrelated to Nicholas as the above two cases probably are. But, this man was 27 and was a graphic artist, too.

From downtown Auburn to Panther Lake Park, or around where the condos are it is about six miles.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/was...iuly-florin.htm

http://www.speedpromotion.ro/presa_en/44id"

[dianaelaine]

Just a quick post to apologize for losing my temper.

This case has really gotten to me, and I think that because from the first moment I tried to help on the Biz site, I was shut up and closed down.

It all felt surreal to me, from the very beginning. It was as if, everybody was in a hypnotized state, and you couldn't say anything other than what they wanted you to say.

I wasn't alone over 'there' either, I've noticed several people get upset about the same thing.

And so ... there are so many things that don't make sense .. that I'm deeply involved, as many of us here are.

Again, I apologize ... and I'm serious, I DO need some chocolate! :D

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
I have been reading for a few day's now, and am completely appalled at the many posts bashing this woman who's husband is missing!. If they put half as much energy into looking for ways to help find Nicholas as they do for bashing his wife, no telling what they might be able to accomplish!

JMO [/*]

Sorry LiLMaggie, but you need to read for a few more days, or go to the very beginning of this whole thread.
Nobody is bashing CF, they are puzzled, confused and yes at times angry at her reactions, her behavior in and during the whole time Nic has been missing. She is the spouse, the one that is supposed to be the closest to him and she has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children. She has come off as angry, defensive and selfish. She is part of the whole puzzle of what happened to Nic, whether she likes it or not.
The greatest majority of the people posting here have put much energy into this thread. Suggestions, links for her to go to to get help, get suggestions on how to handle her situation. She asks for prayers for money, for a home, she cries about the situation she is in.
Those here pray also for the safety and well being of Nicholas, for the children.
I have not seen that from her. We know her situation, some of us more than she seems to know. God knows her situation. We have all brainstormed ideas on what to do to help find him, she ignores those suggestions. We even have a PI who is on the other side of the states and her partner trying to help her. Pro bono I'm sure. I don't know how to bring links over but I am sure someone soon will put up HarlettOHara's links to show you that she is legit and cares very much.
As someone says above, we here, complete strangers seem to care more about Nicholas than his own wife does.
And there are more new ones that come everyday feeling the same.
Bashing this wife, no, just questioning. Something we are all entitled to do without being bashed ourselves.
If she was the one missing, I can guarantee he would be under the same scrutiny.
JMOO

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


The fact that he was in a plane and there was a good chance that it had crashed, even though it hasn't been found yet, may be why the judge granted the petition without a longer wait.

Here is a story about him that some might find interesting to read:

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/March-2008/Without-a-Trace/ [/*]

I am sure that is why he did do it and the fact that he wouldn't have left all of those millions behind.
But it also means that it is not set in stone how long one has to wait for someone to be declared dead.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Does anybody know how long a person has to be missing before they are presumed dead?

And, in a case such as that, is a death certificate issued?

Spouse can't get ss survivor benefits without death certificate, right?

TIA [/*]

7 years is what I've always thought. And I don't believe you can collect any benefits unitl the person is declared dead.

[zenharmony19]

Just another thought on the cell phone going dead. Maybe Christine called Nicholas often on his way home from work, and he wanted to do something in total privacy for some reason, and didn't want to make waves, didn't want her questioning him if he didn't answer the phone. My husband is the same way, he doesn't like to make waves. And I remember (somewhere) reading that Nicholas's family said he was kinda laid back? I'm not sure about that... but my husband is kinda laid back too.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


for me personally, I find this whole thing rather overwhelming.

I often think about past President's and how they got elected. There was no mass media so how did they get the word out enough to be elected? All they had were newspapers.

then radio came along and far more people heard from the candidates themselves. Then tv came along and they heard them and saw them (which I a still not sure is such a good thing since we tend to base things on a person's looks to some degree)

now the internet. being on this forum has made me so aware to be so careful what I put out there. I have warned my kids about what they put out there. And I will do the same for my grandkids.

Whole lives are out on display for people to see and criticize. There is no such thing as privacy and it is frightening. [/*]

So true decor. The only way to have privacy is to not put your info out there to be seen. So many people put so much out there that it can put them in danger without them realizing it. In this day and age people need to play it safe.

[decor]

I was not aware that there were so many sites on the internet for missing people. Every time someone posts a link on here and I scroll thru those faces thinking about how horrid this must be for the families, it almost makes you afraid to go anywhere alone.
Here on day and gone the next. :(

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


------------------------------------------

All possibilities ...

Also, if he removed the battery, the phone wouldn't work at all either, right?

I mean, we don't know if he removed it himself or not.

From the very beginning, my sixth sense told me that was strange too, about the phone. Especially since he made it a point to tell coworkers.

But then I think, would he leave those precious babies, and CF to have to take care of the house payments, etc.? Maybe things were so bad at home, he lost it and really needed to leave. Maybe/hopefully, he intends to contact them SOON.

Did anybody find any chocolate yet??? [/*]

I do hope that if Nicholas is out there and left freely and intentionally, that he gets his act together and calls home.

I still think from everything that has been said about him, that he cannot be in his "right mind" to have been gone this long without contacting anyone. It just doesn't make sense. I can only think that he had some sort of breakdown, or is under some kind of threat or duress -- perceived or real. I really don't picture him in Mexico drinking margaritas unless there are things that Christine is not sharing about their relationship, or unless he has amnesia or has been brainwashed or has some sort of mental illness. Or, there are things about him that the people closest to him didn't know, and the picture that has been painted of him is not accurate at all.

I sometimes think about what his mother said, when she thought that someone was persecuting him. I wonder what would have inspired her to say that.

I pray for him, Christine, his children, his parents and sisters, and all of his friends and co-workers.

And chocolate -- oh my goodness, I've got loads of chocolate! (I'm an addict to chocolate, the Internet, and ice cream).

My son gave me a bar of "Emergency Chocolate" for Christmas and while that is certainly not the only chocolate in my house, I think perhaps it is just the one to share with all of you caring and considerate people here. Although if anyone prefers dark chocolate (that's the kind that's really good for you!), I'll be happy to break into the "Pound Plus" bar that I got at Trader Joe's last week. Now the bag of Cadbury mini eggs... well, unfortunately those are just about gone. But I'll be getting more on Monday when the Easter candy is half-price at Target!

[decor]

Originally posted by huskiki


So true decor. The only way to have privacy is to not put your info out there to be seen. So many people put so much out there that it can put them in danger without them realizing it. In this day and age people need to play it safe. [/*]

yes, and especially young people who are more trusting than those that have had some experience knowing you cannot trust everyone.

in ten years I imagine the internet will be clogged with peoples lives. too bad you can't make a lot of of young people understand. :(

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I can only think that he had some sort of breakdown, or is under some kind of threat or duress -- perceived or real. [/*]

this triggered something that I don't think has been discussed. Nick is young enough to have this happen too, but there is the possibility that he has become Schizophrenic and took off thinking someone was after him and is hiding because of this.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by huskiki


So true decor. The only way to have privacy is to not put your info out there to be seen. So many people put so much out there that it can put them in danger without them realizing it. In this day and age people need to play it safe. [/*]

yes, and even without putting stuff about there about yourself, there is so much in the public record now that can easily be found about people. In Washington, if you're a registered voter, your name, date of birth, address, and even a list of all of the other registered voters at your address can be seen in one simple search. And then there are the county records, property records, court records... there is just not much privacy with the Internet.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Sorry LiLMaggie, but you need to read for a few more days, or go to the very beginning of this whole thread.
Nobody is bashing CF, they are puzzled, confused and yes at times angry at her reactions, her behavior in and during the whole time Nic has been missing. She is the spouse, the one that is supposed to be the closest to him and she has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children. She has come off as angry, defensive and selfish. She is part of the whole puzzle of what happened to Nic, whether she likes it or not.
The greatest majority of the people posting here have put much energy into this thread. Suggestions, links for her to go to to get help, get suggestions on how to handle her situation. She asks for prayers for money, for a home, she cries about the situation she is in.
Those here pray also for the safety and well being of Nicholas, for the children.
I have not seen that from her. We know her situation, some of us more than she seems to know. God knows her situation. We have all brainstormed ideas on what to do to help find him, she ignores those suggestions. We even have a PI who is on the other side of the states and her partner trying to help her. Pro bono I'm sure. I don't know how to bring links over but I am sure someone soon will put up HarlettOHara's links to show you that she is legit and cares very much.
As someone says above, we here, complete strangers seem to care more about Nicholas than his own wife does.
And there are more new ones that come everyday feeling the same.
Bashing this wife, no, just questioning. Something we are all entitled to do without being bashed ourselves.
If she was the one missing, I can guarantee he would be under the same scrutiny.
JMOO [/*]

:hat: BEAUTIFULLY said!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


this triggered something that I don't think has been discussed. Nick is young enough to have this happen too, but there is the possibility that he has become Schizophrenic and took off thinking someone was after him and is hiding because of this. [/*]

I have thought about this possibility too. Schizophrenia usually shows up at a younger age, late teens or early 20s, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. I have 2 siblings that are diagnosed schizophrenic, one when he was about 21 and the other somewhat later, maybe around 25. Usually there are some signs earlier though, and from how everyone has described him, Nicholas sounded like a very laidback, happy, well-adjusted young man.

OTOH, studies have shown that the incidence of mental illness trends higher with highly creative people.

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Sorry LiLMaggie, but you need to read for a few more days, or go to the very beginning of this whole thread.
Nobody is bashing CF, they are puzzled, confused and yes at times angry at her reactions, her behavior in and during the whole time Nic has been missing. She is the spouse, the one that is supposed to be the closest to him and she has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children. She has come off as angry, defensive and selfish. She is part of the whole puzzle of what happened to Nic, whether she likes it or not.
The greatest majority of the people posting here have put much energy into this thread. Suggestions, links for her to go to to get help, get suggestions on how to handle her situation. She asks for prayers for money, for a home, she cries about the situation she is in.
Those here pray also for the safety and well being of Nicholas, for the children.
I have not seen that from her. We know her situation, some of us more than she seems to know. God knows her situation. We have all brainstormed ideas on what to do to help find him, she ignores those suggestions. We even have a PI who is on the other side of the states and her partner trying to help her. Pro bono I'm sure. I don't know how to bring links over but I am sure someone soon will put up HarlettOHara's links to show you that she is legit and cares very much.
As someone says above, we here, complete strangers seem to care more about Nicholas than his own wife does.
And there are more new ones that come everyday feeling the same.
Bashing this wife, no, just questioning. Something we are all entitled to do without being bashed ourselves.
If she was the one missing, I can guarantee he would be under the same scrutiny.
JMOO [/*]I've read enough. How do you know what she has, or has not done?. Unless you have walked in her shoes, who are any of you to judge her? I have read that NF is gay and he left her. CF is pregnant with another man's baby, and so NF left her. Lets see, oh yes the she knows where he is, and is'nt telling anyone. She only wants the money, and on and on. Shes damned if she does, and damned if she does'nt. I've read enough, thanks.
:seeya:

JMO

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Just a quick post to apologize for losing my temper.

This case has really gotten to me, and I think that because from the first moment I tried to help on the Biz site, I was shut up and closed down.

It all felt surreal to me, from the very beginning. It was as if, everybody was in a hypnotized state, and you couldn't say anything other than what they wanted you to say.

I wasn't alone over 'there' either, I've noticed several people get upset about the same thing.

And so ... there are so many things that don't make sense .. that I'm deeply involved, as many of us here are.

Again, I apologize ... and I'm serious, I DO need some chocolate! :D [/*]

It is very hard to make sense of all of this.

Oh, I can only send you the virtual kind, but here's that bar of "Emergency Chocolate" that I mentioned in my previous post! Enjoy! :)

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I have thought about this possibility too. Schizophrenia usually shows up at a younger age, late teens or early 20s, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. I have 2 siblings that are diagnosed schizophrenic, one when he was about 21 and the other somewhat later, maybe around 25. Usually there are some signs earlier though, and from how everyone has described him, Nicholas sounded like a very laidback, happy, well-adjusted young man.

OTOH, studies have shown that the incidence of mental illness trends higher with highly creative people. [/*]

do you know if when Schizophrenia rears it's ugly head does it just come on fully developed or does it develop over time?
I thought of this because at the same time there was something said about his mother saying he was persecuted. Since we do not know who she meant was it someone she knew or someone that Nick told her about that was imaginary.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Soryy, Decor. I would have been with you on this yesterday, but today I'm not. It is my opinion that Christine does not want to be bothered with anyone discussing her, defending her, or even speaking of her in any way. It is very confusing. I just don't understand it. [/*]


Thank you to those on Web Sleuths and In Session that see things differently than those with a slandering tunnel vision

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/09/why-should-i/#comments

I see this statement as saying Thank You.

[decor]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hiding where, and with what resources? No car; no money; nothing. He is not in any mental health facility; lets explore the fact that maybe he is in rehab next :shrug:
GMAB.
OTOH on a daily basis; I think he met w/foul play too; because his wife insisted he did.
CT [/*]

If I could answer those questions I could probably tell you where he is and in what condition and solve the whole thing. :)

[Musterion]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Decor, with all due respect. You are the one who is keeping the discussion about wife going. You are the one who tells us what her thoughts and feelings are, what her housing situation is, what her options are, what her various and sundry difficulties are.

And you want to chastise us for speaking about wife?????? [/*]

The first post that I see today was by Silver Dove. About the wife. Next came Invreporter. With a comment about something CF allegedly posted or said. No, Decor did not start it and if you read the thread she did not keep it going. IMO.

For the millionth time. This is a missing person's case. Of course NF's wife is going to be scrutinized. But scrutinizing is not just being done. It is the spirit in HOW that is being done.

And you, yourself, Eddie, said in a post just the other day (I'm paraphrasing based on memory and if you'd like I can retrieve your post and quote it) you felt that you needed to be a voice for someone that doesn't have one. I believe you were referring to Nicholas. Many on here feel CF does not have a BALANCED voice here and are just trying to keep that perspective when she is being analyzed. I would think that is fair and that everyone would want this case done with balance and fairness. Maybe not.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
I've read enough. How do you know what she has, or has not done?. Unless you have walked in her shoes, who are any of you to judge her? I have read that NF is gay and he left her. CF is pregnant with another man's baby, and so NF left her. Lets see, oh yes the she knows where he is, and is'nt telling anyone. She only wants the money, and on and on. Shes damned if she does, and damned if she does'nt. I've read enough, thanks.
:seeya:

JMO [/*]

I'm not sure if you read Christine's blog that she was keeping up for a week or so, where she listed "the facts". I think anyone questioning Christine and her actions, are doing it based on the things she has posted online and said in interviews. Of course no one here has walked in her shoes. As far as what you've read, everything you've listed are ideas that people have had -- possibilities. Not statements of fact. People here are trying to figure out what might have happened. With no clues, no info from LE, little visibility of Nicholas's family, friends, or co-workers anymore, we are only trying to think of possibilities. Maybe LE or even Christine herself will see something here that they'll be able to check on and it will lead to something. Who knows.

[Track292003]

Decor, what are you referring to in this post? And how can I access the info?

TIA.

Originally posted by decor


I think it is interesting too especially this part:
Caucasian/Pacific Islander [/*]

[Nellie]

I'm trying to figure out....
why does she need a den?

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Sorry LiLMaggie, but you need to read for a few more days, or go to the very beginning of this whole thread.
Nobody is bashing CF, they are puzzled, confused and yes at times angry at her reactions, her behavior in and during the whole time Nic has been missing. She is the spouse, the one that is supposed to be the closest to him and she has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children. She has come off as angry, defensive and selfish. She is part of the whole puzzle of what happened to Nic, whether she likes it or not.
The greatest majority of the people posting here have put much energy into this thread. Suggestions, links for her to go to to get help, get suggestions on how to handle her situation. She asks for prayers for money, for a home, she cries about the situation she is in.
Those here pray also for the safety and well being of Nicholas, for the children.
I have not seen that from her. We know her situation, some of us more than she seems to know. God knows her situation. We have all brainstormed ideas on what to do to help find him, she ignores those suggestions. We even have a PI who is on the other side of the states and her partner trying to help her. Pro bono I'm sure. I don't know how to bring links over but I am sure someone soon will put up HarlettOHara's links to show you that she is legit and cares very much.
As someone says above, we here, complete strangers seem to care more about Nicholas than his own wife does.
And there are more new ones that come everyday feeling the same.
Bashing this wife, no, just questioning. Something we are all entitled to do without being bashed ourselves.
If she was the one missing, I can guarantee he would be under the same scrutiny.
JMOO [/*]

I don't know Christine personally, so can't speak for her.
But I do think it's bashing when you say Christine "has very little concern for her husband and the father of her children". I just don't think we can know that. I also have seen some reasons for her being angry and defensive, and I don't think she's selfish because she is worrying about the welfare of herself, her unborn baby, and her children. I think she's very worried and scared.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hiding where, and with what resources? No car; no money; nothing. He is not in any mental health facility; lets explore the fact that maybe he is in rehab next :shrug:
GMAB.
OTOH on a daily basis; I think he met w/foul play too; because his wife insisted he did.
CT [/*]

Actually I've thought of rehab too but he didn't appear to have any addictions that anyone knew of. It might explain the long absence, but to go under an assumed name seems odd.

[decor]

Originally posted by Track292003
Decor, what are you referring to in this post? And how can I access the info?

TIA.

[/*]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/*/barton_brian.html

[decor]

Originally posted by Track292003
Decor, what are you referring to in this post? And how can I access the info?

TIA.

[/*]

for some reason that URL posts okay in the box but when put on here it changes. You need to change the * to a lower case *

[decor]

Originally posted by decor


for some reason that URL posts okay in the box but when put on here it changes. You need to change the * to a lower case * [/*]

LOL okay. you need to change it to the 2nd letter of the alphabet

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Wow, I hope she doesnt end up cuffed and in prison for hurting her husband; would you all still support her then? hammer
She had better hope that NF surfaces, ALIVE.
CT [/*]And if he is'nt alive, and she had NOTHING to do with it, what then? You are ridicilous, and thats MOO!

:no:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Wow, I hope she doesnt end up cuffed and in prison for hurting her husband; would you all still support her then? hammer
She had better hope that NF surfaces, ALIVE.
CT [/*]

Hi Cat!

LOL! Oh, I bet she does hope he is alive. More than you are I do!

See, the assumption is that just because someone may give a counter suggestion or opinion to CF that we are supporting her. That is not true, in every case, when someone gives a different insight. JMO.

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm trying to figure out....
why does she need a den? [/*]

maybe she needs it for her sewing. being a professional sewer myself it takes a lot of space to make things and set up a machine or two, or in my case, 5 of them.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by appledipper


TACKY.

jmo [/*]

No, I was really curious about it. It's not something I'd look for when house hunting and am curious what she would need a den for. Would that be the same as a "family room"? And if I'm looking for a CHEAP home to keep a roof over my head and my children's head, I wouldn't be real picky. But that's me.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
And if he is'nt alive, and she had NOTHING to do with it, what then? You are ridicilous, and thats MOO!

:no: [/*]

In all fairness, Maggie, CF kinda sticks her own foot in her mouth! Right off the bat she was telling Greta "it's just a wife's intuition" saying he met with foul play. And, she's so convinced he IS dead and now saying near water - how would she know that? Did she put him there?:confused:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


do you know if when Schizophrenia rears it's ugly head does it just come on fully developed or does it develop over time?
I thought of this because at the same time there was something said about his mother saying he was persecuted. Since we do not know who she meant was it someone she knew or someone that Nick told her about that was imaginary. [/*]

I think there are usually signs for awhile, not a sudden onset. However there are medical conditions that can cause similar symptoms. Does anyone watch "House M.D"? They are often trying to figure out what strange illness is causing someone's sudden change in behavior.

If there had been changes in Nicholas's behavior in recent months, I think Christine or his co-workers would have noticed something... or might remember something if they reflect back now.

FWIW, both of my siblings had "episodes" at the beginning of their illness, where they took off (one on foot, and he ended up hitching a ride on the back of a truck and was found in a town about 100 miles away the next morning; the other in her car, where she heard angels talking to her through the radio). So the taking off part definitely could fit... but being gone this long is unusual.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


maybe she needs it for her sewing. being a professional sewer myself it takes a lot of space to make things and set up a machine or two, or in my case, 5 of them. [/*]

Maybe....if she plans to continue her business. I could see that and was curious if that was what she'd want it for. I was just curious about the "den part", as I'd just say 3-4 bedrooms and turn a spare bedroom into a sewing room. So I wouldn't necessarily specify a den. Actually, her children are small enough to share a room too. Just a curiosity of mine.....

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


In all fairness, Maggie, CF kinda sticks her own foot in her mouth! Right off the bat she was telling Greta "it's just a wife's intuition" saying he met with foul play. And, she's so convinced he IS dead and now saying near water - how would she know that? Did she put him there?:confused: [/*]I don't know, but I'm quite sure that LE will should that be the case.

JMO

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Musterion


The first post that I see today was by Silver Dove. About the wife. Next came Invreporter. With a comment about something CF allegedly posted or said. No, Decor did not start it and if you read the thread she did not keep it going. IMO.
[/*]

My post was defending CF's right to privacy with her private communications. It went back to a post by Invreporter's post of a quote for her that since no link was given I can only assume was a private communication. You don't publish what is told you in private unless that person asks you to. You have no right to decide for them.

If you publish then it is no longer private.

Personally I think NF met someone and took off with her/him because of home pressures. This makes him a jerk and not deserving of support but it also takes two to tango so CF may have had a part in his deciding to leave the way he did and may even suspect that that is what happened.

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


FWIW, both of my siblings had "episodes" at the beginning of their illness, where they took off (one on foot, and he ended up hitching a ride on the back of a truck and was found in a town about 100 miles away the next morning; the other in her car, where she heard angels talking to her through the radio). So the taking off part definitely could fit... but being gone this long is unusual. [/*]

I also remember a case years ago where a guy disappeared and they said it had to do with the exhaust coming into his car and poisoning him. They felt that it made him disoriented and forgetful. IIRC he was positively id'd and spotted in different places but they never found him. :(

[desmom]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


In all fairness, Maggie, CF kinda sticks her own foot in her mouth! Right off the bat she was telling Greta "it's just a wife's intuition" saying he met with foul play. And, she's so convinced he IS dead and now saying near water - how would she know that? Did she put him there?:confused: [/*]

IMO, LE has looked at every video and every statment CF has made to the media and on the internet.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by appledipper
Oh I wasn't saying you're questioning was tacky. sorry...

I completely agree with you. I just felt it was inappropriate of her to post her housing requirements in a blog about finding him.

jmo.

[/*]

OH...LOL...gotcha! I did misunderstood what you were saying.

I hope she's telling local people of her needs for a new home.
I personally don't understand it, but she needs to get ahold of a realtor and look in the want ads. I just know rent is very, very high and don't understand how she will pay it without a job.

I'm just dumbfounded that she doesn't appear to have any family help.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


Maybe....if she plans to continue her business. I could see that and was curious if that was what she'd want it for. I was just curious about the "den part", as I'd just say 3-4 bedrooms and turn a spare bedroom into a sewing room. So I wouldn't necessarily specify a den. Actually, her children are small enough to share a room too. Just a curiosity of mine..... [/*]

When I was young and looking for an apartment, if I remember correctly, a 2 bedroom w/den was usually cheaper than a 3 bedroom. Maybe because the *den* often turned out to be very small, or no more than an alcove.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by desmom


IMO, LE has looked at every video and every statment CF has made to the media and on the internet. [/*]

Yeah, you're probably right! Maybe that's why everyone IS being so hush hush about the case now. All some people need is enough rope.............................................. .............................

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


I also remember a case years ago where a guy disappeared and they said it had to do with the exhaust coming into his car and poisoning him. They felt that it made him disoriented and forgetful. IIRC he was positively id'd and spotted in different places but they never found him. :( [/*]

decor, you said you came over from that other board because you had questions and were not allowed to ask them over there.

So I'm curious....what questions do YOU have about this case?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by LiLMaggie
I've read enough. How do you know what she has, or has not done?. Unless you have walked in her shoes, who are any of you to judge her? I have read that NF is gay and he left her. CF is pregnant with another man's baby, and so NF left her. Lets see, oh yes the she knows where he is, and is'nt telling anyone. She only wants the money, and on and on. Shes damned if she does, and damned if she does'nt. I've read enough, thanks.
:seeya:

JMO [/*]

:beer:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Yeah, you're probably right! Maybe that's why everyone IS being so hush hush about the case now. All some people need is enough rope.............................................. ............................. [/*]

At this point LE doesn't know if a crime has been committed.
Just like in the Stacy Peterson dissappearance. They can't prove a crime has taken place and that's why Drew is still free. But the minute they ever find Stacy's body, they will most definately put the heat on Drew. Same as with Scott......they had to wait for a body to prove a crime had been committed. Once they found Laci's body, they went into action. Now if Nicholas' body is found and it's ruled to be "foul play", then LE will most definately have to look at some things that have been said and probably take some actions to clear Christine of anything.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


The first post that I see today was by Silver Dove. About the wife. Next came Invreporter. With a comment about something CF allegedly posted or said. No, Decor did not start it and if you read the thread she did not keep it going. IMO.

For the millionth time. This is a missing person's case. Of course NF's wife is going to be scrutinized. But scrutinizing is not just being done. It is the spirit in HOW that is being done.

And you, yourself, Eddie, said in a post just the other day (I'm paraphrasing based on memory and if you'd like I can retrieve your post and quote it) you felt that you needed to be a voice for someone that doesn't have one. I believe you were referring to Nicholas. Many on here feel CF does not have a BALANCED voice here and are just trying to keep that perspective when she is being analyzed. I would think that is fair and that everyone would want this case done with balance and fairness. Maybe not. [/*]

Musterion - I just love you! I wish you would consider being an American diplomat and I say that with the utmost respect :D

[Miss Behavin]

Does anybody know what the relationship is like between NF's family and CF?

Why aren't they taking her and the kids in? I'm sure they don't want to see their grandchildren suffer without a home to live in. From the prayer requests it seems like it could be getting close to that.

TIA

[LiLMaggie]

Originally posted by Beth


You know isitme, this got me thinking. If their family did make a statement saying that NF is fine and wants to be left alone, there would be nothing more for us to talk about. Seems to me it would benefit them greatly by making such a statement (being it is true, of course).

If CF really wants the discussion of her marriage and her husband and yes, even her to stop, maybe those who have chosen to stay quiet should come out and say something. I'm sure if his mother or his sisters made the statement that he was fine, everybody would believe them and nobody would have any reason to question them. [/*]And maybe, just maybe they don't know anything. I personally think that's a possibilty!

JMO

[decor]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie


decor, you said you came over from that other board because you had questions and were not allowed to ask them over there.

So I'm curious....what questions do YOU have about this case? [/*][/QUOTE


My questions in the beginning were the same as most.
I posted my thoughts and ideas threads ago.

I was more interested in being somewhere were everything wasn't so one sided. I guess I just like equality, instead of just one side where I think a person learns very little.

[decor]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
decor, I think you asked about Schizophrenia. I am no expert but I do have a degree in Psychology and studied many disorders. Schizophrenia could come on suddenly, it's called Reactive or Acute Schizophrenia and it's usually a reaction to some crisis. However, there are usually some signs before this and I don't think the person would be able to disappear as well as it seems Nicholas has. Another issue could be Dissociative Fugue in which the person ends up somewhere with no knowledge of who they are and how they got there. This is triggered by a crisis as well. I can't imagine either of these would be the case because the only "crisis" in Nicholas' life is being told his wife was pregnant and by all accounts, he loved being a father. I wish one of these would be the case because then it would mean Nicholas was out there alive. [/*]

okay thanks. I guess we can pretty much rule it out.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
regarding the blog about the housing request, it's never been about NF has it? Not when you read her online actiivity from Feb 15 onward. Or the interviews.....it's about the baby; it's about her lifestyle it's about her her her and no daddy for the kids...lots of kids dont have daddy's. It's the me me me attitude that Pi$$ed off so many from the getgo with this case. Talk about lack of concern for a spouse. Sheeeesh.
And it's about what photo is up on her blog, and it's about her stores, and it's about who is saying things about her online and it's about money.
Talk about misplaced Priorities, it's just nonstop in this case.
for me? It's about body language again, and dry crying.
Can't tolerate it, and I always spot it.

:read: [/*]

I have wondered what would have happened if Nicholas did have some sort of illness -- mental or otherwise -- that made it so he couldn't work, even for a short time. How would Christine have handled that...

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin
Does anybody know what the relationship is like between NF's family and CF?

Why aren't they taking her and the kids in? I'm sure they don't want to see their grandchildren suffer without a home to live in. From the prayer requests it seems like it could be getting close to that.

TIA [/*]

I can't see how it could be "that close". Her next mortgage isn't due until May and with funds left over she may even have enough for it already. Or with funds still coming in....she may be able to make May's. I don't understand the immediate cry for a new home, I really don't Heck my neighbors didn't pay their mortgage for an entire year before foreclosure efforts began and they STILL worked it out somehow and live there. I had a friend who did the same thing. She told me her mortgage was a year behind and they worked with her and she didn't even have to catch up the past mortgage but had to be ON TIME for any future payments or they could take it.

She's got time......

Has anyone ever thought of this? The house ties her down to that area. Renting would be easier to walk away from in a few months after "things die down". Maybe she wants to relocate to another part of the country eventually and doesn't want to be tied to a house with a mortgage.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Wow, I hope she doesnt end up cuffed and in prison for hurting her husband; would you all still support her then? hammer
She had better hope that NF surfaces, ALIVE.
CT [/*]

No, not if that is a PROVEN fact. So far we only have speculation and gossip. Most refuse to even read anything that states otherwise. A good detective does not get locked in on one person and make the puzzle fit.

They put the puzzle together first then get the perp.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie


decor, you said you came over from that other board because you had questions and were not allowed to ask them over there.

So I'm curious....what questions do YOU have about this case? [/*][/QUOTE


My questions in the beginning were the same as most.
I posted my thoughts and ideas threads ago.

I was more interested in being somewhere were everything wasn't so one sided. I guess I just like equality, instead of just one side where I think a person learns very little. [/*]

So, am I understanding correctly that you had some discernment in the beginning about some of Christine's actions but now have become her advocate to give some balance to the conversation?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I do hope that if Nicholas is out there and left freely and intentionally, that he gets his act together and calls home.

I still think from everything that has been said about him, that he cannot be in his "right mind" to have been gone this long without contacting anyone. It just doesn't make sense. I can only think that he had some sort of breakdown, or is under some kind of threat or duress -- perceived or real. I really don't picture him in Mexico drinking margaritas unless there are things that Christine is not sharing about their relationship, or unless he has amnesia or has been brainwashed or has some sort of mental illness. Or, there are things about him that the people closest to him didn't know, and the picture that has been painted of him is not accurate at all.

I sometimes think about what his mother said, when she thought that someone was persecuting him. I wonder what would have inspired her to say that.

I pray for him, Christine, his children, his parents and sisters, and all of his friends and co-workers.

And chocolate -- oh my goodness, I've got loads of chocolate! (I'm an addict to chocolate, the Internet, and ice cream).

My son gave me a bar of "Emergency Chocolate" for Christmas and while that is certainly not the only chocolate in my house, I think perhaps it is just the one to share with all of you caring and considerate people here. Although if anyone prefers dark chocolate (that's the kind that's really good for you!), I'll be happy to break into the "Pound Plus" bar that I got at Trader Joe's last week. Now the bag of Cadbury mini eggs... well, unfortunately those are just about gone. But I'll be getting more on Monday when the Easter candy is half-price at Target! [/*]

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I'll take some of that Emergency Chocolate!!! :hat:

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


I can't see how it could be "that close". Her next mortgage isn't due until May and with funds left over she may even have enough for it already. Or with funds still coming in....she may be able to make May's. I don't understand the immediate cry for a new home, I really don't Heck my neighbors didn't pay their mortgage for an entire year before foreclosure efforts began and they STILL worked it out somehow and live there. I had a friend who did the same thing. She told me her mortgage was a year behind and they worked with her and she didn't even have to catch up the past mortgage but had to be ON TIME for any future payments or they could take it.
I would think
She's got time......

Has anyone ever thought of this? The house ties her down to that area. Renting would be easier to walk away from in a few months after "things die down". Maybe she wants to relocate to another part of the country eventually and doesn't want to be tied to a house with a mortgage. [/*]

to rent a new place she will need a few months rent deposit won't she? she is not going to be able to wait until the last minute to find housing or there is a good chance she will end up with none I would think.

[mc528]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
regarding the blog about the housing request, it's never been about NF has it? Not when you read her online actiivity from Feb 15 onward. Or the interviews.....it's about the baby; it's about her lifestyle it's about her her her and no daddy for the kids...lots of kids dont have daddy's. It's the me me me attitude that Pi$$ed off so many from the getgo with this case. Talk about lack of concern for a spouse. Sheeeesh.
And it's about what photo is up on her blog, and it's about her stores, and it's about who is saying things about her online and it's about money.
Talk about misplaced Priorities, it's just nonstop in this case.
for me? It's about body language again, and dry crying.
Can't tolerate it, and I always spot it.

:read: [/*]


My thoughts exactly.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


In all fairness, Maggie, CF kinda sticks her own foot in her mouth! Right off the bat she was telling Greta "it's just a wife's intuition" saying he met with foul play. And, she's so convinced he IS dead and now saying near water - how would she know that? Did she put him there?:confused: [/*]

Panther Lake was talked about for DAYS before she said that. Now wonder where that came from, you think someone on this forum maybe put him there. Might be interesting to check back and see just who came up with this idea first. Maybe LE will just do that.

[zenharmony19]

Originally posted by Nellie


I can't see how it could be "that close". Her next mortgage isn't due until May and with funds left over she may even have enough for it already. Or with funds still coming in....she may be able to make May's. I don't understand the immediate cry for a new home, I really don't Heck my neighbors didn't pay their mortgage for an entire year before foreclosure efforts began and they STILL worked it out somehow and live there. I had a friend who did the same thing. She told me her mortgage was a year behind and they worked with her and she didn't even have to catch up the past mortgage but had to be ON TIME for any future payments or they could take it.

She's got time......

Has anyone ever thought of this? The house ties her down to that area. Renting would be easier to walk away from in a few months after "things die down". Maybe she wants to relocate to another part of the country eventually and doesn't want to be tied to a house with a mortgage. [/*]

I'm sorry, I don't have a link, but several weeks ago, somebody posted (either here or on another blog or support board) that Christine was thinking of *walking away* from her house, instead of letting it go into foreclosure. They stated that Christine was considering doing that because it would leave her credit in better shape then letting her house go into foreclosure. If so, it may be the reason she wants to leave the house ASAP, for her credit. IMO

[mc528]

Originally posted by Nellie


I can't see how it could be "that close". Her next mortgage isn't due until May and with funds left over she may even have enough for it already. Or with funds still coming in....she may be able to make May's. I don't understand the immediate cry for a new home, I really don't Heck my neighbors didn't pay their mortgage for an entire year before foreclosure efforts began and they STILL worked it out somehow and live there. I had a friend who did the same thing. She told me her mortgage was a year behind and they worked with her and she didn't even have to catch up the past mortgage but had to be ON TIME for any future payments or they could take it.

She's got time......

Has anyone ever thought of this? The house ties her down to that area. Renting would be easier to walk away from in a few months after "things die down". Maybe she wants to relocate to another part of the country eventually and doesn't want to be tied to a house with a mortgage. [/*]


I've thought about the ease of relocating aspect too, it makes sense.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I've got reeses bits and dove dark or dove bits w.carmel. My appetite is way off since monday; so I'll dole them out here!! :seeya: [/*]

YUM! I'll take some Reeses bits!!

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


So, am I understanding correctly that you had some discernment in the beginning about some of Christine's actions but now have become her advocate to give some balance to the conversation? [/*]

that is correct. I have no more answers than anyone else here.
I had questions like everyone else. I was interested if others saw some things the same way I did or if I was just seeing things that weren't there.

This was in the beginning. Some of my questions have been answered by her age, some in the fact that after seeing her post enough that I feel that this is who she is and not putting on a false front.

Some of my questions now seem irrelevant.

but yes, I decided to try and help create some balance and help to not destroy her entire life with words.

I can't even imagine what it would have been like for her if everyone had turned on her.

[Track292003]

Although I was not able to get to that site via the link, I just entered "www.charleyproject.org" and searched for "Pacific Islander," which is part of the racial profile for Brian Barton (who disappeared from Federal Way three years ago and has not been found). Not only is his racial profile the same as Nicholas's. It also APPEARS to me, from looking at Mapquest, that he was last seen in the 1300 block of SW Campus Drive, which APPEARS to be on the edge of Panther Lake Park, less than two miles from the Heritage Condos, where Nicholas's car was found.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the map, and/or perhaps this has been discussed. But it certainly bears looking into any other similarities that might exist between the two cases.

Brian was about 6' 4" and was last seen about 5 p.m. in early March 2005.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


to rent a new place she will need a few months rent deposit won't she? she is not going to be able to wait until the last minute to find housing or there is a good chance she will end up with none I would think. [/*]

I think it would all depend. Some good hearted person may waive any rental deposit....may even waive any rent for a few months. I could see someone even giving her a house to live in until she gets on her feet. So, I won't assume that she is going to have to pay a deposit right off the bat. I'll actually be surprised if she does. But if it comes down to having to come up with rent and a deposit, I wonder how willing her family or his family or friends will be to help her out with all of that. I guess that part really, really confuses me. It's not like Christine and Nicholas lived in a bubble. They attended a huge church. Granted, they had resigned but that was just two days before he went missing. I'm not sure how long they were there, but as members I truly would have expected that church family to surround them and help her out. But the picture we are getting is that she is doing this all alone. That was the picture given in the beginning when the fundraising started....that she had no income and was in desperate need of money. Then it's found out that the income from Nicholas' employment had not ended.

I still think searching for a new home is early....just like the early need for cash. Foreclosure is not on the horizon yet. Did you just read me tell about two people I know who didn't pay for a solid year! I was shocked that it could go that long myself! I'd be opening up my online business and try to generate enough money from it to help with the mortgage.....just offering things made with fabric I already had on hand.

I'm sorry...but I have never once heard Christine say she loves Nicholas. I've only heard that "she was HIS world". It bothers me....

[Nellie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Sunday, March 9th, 2008 in Family by Christine

Nicholas did not run out on us. I know that even if you all don’t.

Thank you to those one Web Sleuths and In Session that see things differently than those with a slandering tunnel vision. And have/are really trying to seriously solve this case. If i could give info to just you i would but that isn’t possible.
****
Again, NF is just a "case" to his spouse. Unusual wording; and that's just for starters at this stage in the game. :( [/*]

OOOOOH...that gives me chills! I never gave it a thought before, but you're right. It's not "thank you for trying to help me find my husband".

Of course you do know...you're dissecting her again! And there will be a way to explain it away. It truly does sound cold though.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


that is correct. I have no more answers than anyone else here.
I had questions like everyone else. I was interested if others saw some things the same way I did or if I was just seeing things that weren't there.

This was in the beginning. Some of my questions have been answered by her age, some in the fact that after seeing her post enough that I feel that this is who she is and not putting on a false front.

Some of my questions now seem irrelevant.

but yes, I decided to try and help create some balance and help to not destroy her entire life with words.

I can't even imagine what it would have been like for her if everyone had turned on her. [/*]

Oh I certainly agree with you. I don't think she's putting on a false front and this is who she is.

Do you also feel the same toward Drew Peterson? He's pretty well picked apart too and maybe he's not guilty of Stacy's dissappearance. Just curious......

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Track292003
Although I was not able to get to that site via the link, I just entered "www.charleyproject.org" and searched for "Pacific Islander," which is part of the racial profile for Brian Barton (who disappeared from Federal Way three years ago and has not been found). Not only is his racial profile the same as Nicholas's. It also APPEARS to me, from looking at Mapquest, that he was last seen in the 1300 block of SW Campus Drive, which APPEARS to be on the edge of Panther Lake Park, less than two miles from the Heritage Condos, where Nicholas's car was found.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the map, and/or perhaps this has been discussed. But it certainly bears looking into any other similarities that might exist between the two cases.

Brian was about 6' 4" and was last seen about 5 p.m. in early March 2005. [/*]

Makes you wonder if they sent divers down just exactly how many people they might find.

[decor]

Originally posted by Track292003
Although I was not able to get to that site via the link, I just entered "www.charleyproject.org" and searched for "Pacific Islander," which is part of the racial profile for Brian Barton (who disappeared from Federal Way three years ago and has not been found). Not only is his racial profile the same as Nicholas's. It also APPEARS to me, from looking at Mapquest, that he was last seen in the 1300 block of SW Campus Drive, which APPEARS to be on the edge of Panther Lake Park, less than two miles from the Heritage Condos, where Nicholas's car was found.

Perhaps I misinterpreted the map, and/or perhaps this has been discussed. But it certainly bears looking into any other similarities that might exist between the two cases.

Brian was about 6' 4" and was last seen about 5 p.m. in early March 2005. [/*]

I thought it deserved to be looked into too. Odd about all of the coincidences.
Wasn't the guy that disappeared the next day listed as a Pacific Islander too?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by zenharmony19


I'm sorry, I don't have a link, but several weeks ago, somebody posted (either here or on another blog or support board) that Christine was thinking of *walking away* from her house, instead of letting it go into foreclosure. They stated that Christine was considering doing that because it would leave her credit in better shape then letting her house go into foreclosure. If so, it may be the reason she wants to leave the house ASAP, for her credit. IMO [/*]

Could be that...or could be that she plans to relocate someplace else eventually. We just don't know, do we?

[Track292003]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Makes you wonder if they sent divers down just exactly how many people they might find. [/*]
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Right on! Maybe your lottery money could be spent to hire divers to search the lake.

And, yes, Decor, you are right about Mr. Fale, who disappeared from the same area February 14, being of the same racial origins.

I don't understand why they haven't searched the lake for Nicholas -- and I wonder if they DID search the lake for Brian. Does anyone know?

[decor]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
So that makes three men of pacific island decent; missing without a trace from the same area.....Thats what I was asking about earlier....maybe a serial killer who has a preference? That sounds so awful and so far fetched; but thats what interesting about crime; it's never far fetched and with true crime; you just cant make this stuff up....
Remeber that one serial killer who was after men that had a preference for autoerotisism? He was one piece of work. He killed so many gay men and left them to rot in his own backyard. His own children found the bodies/bones.
I've thought about that case a few times during blogging about NF and what could have happened to him........
All it takes is one stranger who stops you and says "hey do you know directions to "here"? And that could be the last thing you know.
We've seen women abducted from parking lots; why not men too?
Is it really that far fetched? [/*]


don't all serial killers focus on one type of victim?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Track292003

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Right on! Maybe your lottery money could be spent to hire divers to search the lake.

And, yes, Decor, you are right about Mr. Fale, who disappeared from the same area February 14, being of the same racial origins.

I don't understand why they haven't searched the lake for Nicholas -- and I wonder if they DID search the lake for Brian. Does anyone know? [/*]

Very good question

[decor]

Originally posted by Track292003

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Right on! Maybe your lottery money could be spent to hire divers to search the lake.

And, yes, Decor, you are right about Mr. Fale, who disappeared from the same area February 14, being of the same racial origins.

I don't understand why they haven't searched the lake for Nicholas -- and I wonder if they DID search the lake for Brian. Does anyone know? [/*]

also, both seem to be thought to maybe have not met with foul play by LE which would sure make it easier for a killer

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by decor


also, both seem to be thought to maybe have not met with foul play by LE which would sure make it easier for a killer [/*]

Is it possible NF and this other guy could have known each other?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Is it possible NF and this other guy could have known each other? [/*]

what is the guy's name again? Brian Barton?
when I google, I get pages of a pro baseball player

[AMS]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Makes you wonder if they sent divers down just exactly how many people they might find. [/*]


Hi - I looked up info on Panther Lake. It's big. 45 acres. Up to 11 meters deep. Boy, it would be a lage area to search.

AMS

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OK you've got it; Im sending you the purple wrapped one the green wrapped one and the pink wrapped one :seeya:
CT [/*]



*settles down with her candy shared by friends here, with a cold glass of milk*

Ahhhhhhhh I can feel the calming effect all ready. :)

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


what is the guy's name again? Brian Barton?
when I google, I get pages of a pro baseball player [/*]

No, not Brian Barton. The other guy they were talking about that went missing the day after NF - I don't recall his name

[K Anne]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


There was one brief interview with his father. Very brief. I gather he lives in Vancouver, WA and appears to be an amateur wine maker.

I thought we determined a few days ago that NF parents are divorced, and his father recently filed for separation from a different person.

Speculation strictly MO [/*]

Trying to catch up here, sorry if this has been covered -- I've only seen the one snippet of dad, at scene of early search, and ;) didn't get any wine impressions from that! Can you post link? TIA

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AMS



Hi - I looked up info on Panther Lake. It's big. 45 acres. Up to 11 meters deep. Boy, it would be a lage area to search.

AMS [/*]

Thats why IMO it would be good for the family to contact TES. They have equipment where they can detect certain things.

[decor]

Originally posted by Miss Behavin


Is it possible NF and this other guy could have known each other? [/*]

anything is possible. I can't believe it took all the people on this board 5 weeks to discover this even if turns out to be nothing.
thanks would go to eddie on this one.

I hope LE looks into this. Certainly seems odd to me. All in the same age group. All with the same ethnic background. All in the same tiny area.

[AMS]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thats why IMO it would be good for the family to contact TES. They have equipment where they can detect certain things. [/*]


Yes Yes Yes!

[dianaelaine]

UGH!!!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/109337_serial20.shtml

[Musterion]

Originally posted by decor


anything is possible. I can't believe it took all the people on this board 5 weeks to discover this even if turns out to be nothing.
thanks would go to eddie on this one.

I hope LE looks into this. Certainly seems odd to me. All in the same age group. All with the same ethnic background. All in the same tiny area. [/*]

It is odd. And, this one: Duna Iulian Florin. He is just six miles from Panther Lake. Not Pacific Islander but a foreigner and graphic artist. Dark hair, good looking, tall, 27 at time of disappearance. Missing two years ago in May.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

http://www.speedpromotion.ro/presa_en/44id

[decor]

I knew that WA and FL are known for their serial killers.

I also know that on any day there are approx. 100 serial killers roaming free.

[decor]

Originally posted by Musterion


It is odd. And, this one: Duna Iulian Florin. He is just six miles from Panther Lake. Not Pacific Islander but a foreigner and graphic artist. Dark hair, good looking, tall, 27 at time of disappearance. Missing two years ago in May.

http://www.someoneismissing.com/washington/duna-iuly-florin.htm

http://www.speedpromotion.ro/presa_en/44id [/*]

but he is dark like the others and strange that they are all over 6' tall.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Nellie


Do you also feel the same toward Drew Peterson? He's pretty well picked apart too and maybe he's not guilty of Stacy's dissappearance. Just curious...... [/*]

Although I don't follow that case I have read about it in Newspaper, and on the News. That case is completely different.

previous wife suspicious death
History of previous abuse with other wifes and females
Wife told people she was afraid of him.

As someone stated earlier you have too look at the BIG , whole picture. I am sure LE does.

These two cases can not be compared as they are totally different.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by AMS



Yes Yes Yes! [/*]

AND, Christine should contact the Carol Sund Foundation. Laci's mom benefited greatly from this wonderful group.

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/

[dianaelaine]

Some things I've been thinking about, and they ARE facts:

1. Before she erased it, this is something CF said on her My Space.
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"I haven't felt safe in my home since 2/13. who ever has nicholas has my address, knows i have kids and knows that donations have come in. my locks are changed though."

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And then her mom saying the she hopes they're not "persecuting" her son.

Taking those 2 things together, could they suspect who has/had him? Could this person pose a threat to CF and the family?

[decor]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


I thought this from Day 1 but I think it was Harlett that said it was ruled out. HOWEVER, my previous post explains why I wonder how it could be ruled out for sure. No one could know there is a link except for Nick and Viliamu. IMO [/*]

HArlett left a door open. I believe she stated that they didn't know each other that anyone knew of.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


Priorities, you know :shrug: [/*]

You are cracking me up out here.. LOL>.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


Trying to catch up here, sorry if this has been covered -- I've only seen the one snippet of dad, at scene of early search, and ;) didn't get any wine impressions from that! Can you post link? TIA [/*]

http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/
(click on personal)

Wine Label

Designed this label for my father's handcrafted wines

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Some things I've been thinking about, and they ARE facts:

1. Before she erased it, this is something CF said on her My Space.
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"I haven't felt safe in my home since 2/13. who ever has nicholas has my address, knows i have kids and knows that donations have come in. my locks are changed though."

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And then her mom saying the she hopes they're not "persecuting" her son.

Taking those 2 things together, could they suspect who has/had him? Could this person pose a threat to CF and the family? [/*]

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Quoting my own post ... why DO you think CF wrote that???

[Nellie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Although I don't follow that case I have read about it in Newspaper, and on the News. That case is completely different.

previous wife suspicious death
History of previous abuse with other wifes and females
Wife told people she was afraid of him.

As someone stated earlier you have too look at the BIG , whole picture. I am sure LE does.

These two cases can not be compared as they are totally different. [/*]

I understand what you are saying, but my point is still the same.

Drew has not been charged of any crime.....not even in the death of his previous wife. So far there is no evidence of a crime with Stacy missing. Suspicions, but not evidence. But people are still ripping him apart and dissecting his every word or movement. Why? Because he acts like a heal and acts suspicous and is a creep. But...but...but....what if he isn't guilty of anything? Why is it ok to do this to him just because people don't like him?

That's the comparison I was making.....

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/
(click on personal)

Wine Label

Designed this label for my father's handcrafted wines [/*]

Thanks Rainy!

[KindraLore]

Whew. Having a full time job sux sometimes. I had to read like 7 pages to finally catch up. Waded through a zillion posts of the whole Christine did this didnt do that normal dilemma that seems to come with this case, lots of chocolate attacks.. and then finally some pretty weird info on other men missing in that area with the same stats as Nicholas.

Good work to those that have dived into a different aspect of the case that I dont think has been addressed yet (as far as serial killer).

[decor]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
OT...decor.....where in PA are you if you don't mind my asking? I am in the Northeast, right outside the Poconos. [/*]


clear on the other side by OH

[Nellie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I would have to say; that annalyzing someones body language; behavior and actions, doesnt have anything to do with whether or not we like the person, and that's true for me. I dont like or dislike DP I dont know him; I dont like or dislike CF I dont know her; but from what I've seen; both have behaviors in their interviews that raise red flags. For DP, that's why there is a grand jury invst right now; his mother was "dragged into" the jury just last night....of course DP said this was just to "aggravate him"......

PPl who are keen on behavior, just pick up on things that are said that are un natural. Even gestures that are un natrual. Even things as slight as a grimace or a nod of the head; contradicitons in the spoken word, and the body. It's an art in iteself I think. and not everyone sees it. I'm a ppl person, I like to watch behavior. I dont look for weird behavior but when ppl act un natural in these cases or interviews, I'm going to write about it. Even if it's something as slight as tanning whilst your baby is missing or saying you know your husband is dead in a body of water and "needs to be uncovered"......

For me this has nothing to do with like or dislike.....it has only to do w. behavior. Period
GMAB!

National Center for Missing Adults 1-800-690-FIND, www.nmco.org. [/*]

Oh I agree Cat! I was just responding that way because people think when we have "red flags" by some of Christine's words or actions or body language.....we just don't like her. I sooo agree with you....I don't know her!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore
Whew. Having a full time job sux sometimes. I had to read like 7 pages to finally catch up. Waded through a zillion posts of the whole Christine did this didnt do that normal dilemma that seems to come with this case, lots of chocolate attacks.. and then finally some pretty weird info on other men missing in that area with the same stats as Nicholas.

Good work to those that have dived into a different aspect of the case that I dont think has been addressed yet (as far as serial killer). [/*]

this one is spooky - backpack - ipod -

Duna Florin Iulian has been missing since May 3, 2006 from Seattle, WA. He left riding a bike, with a backpack, an ipod and some cash less than 100$

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Nellie


I understand what you are saying, but my point is still the same.

Drew has not been charged of any crime.....not even in the death of his previous wife. So far there is no evidence of a crime with Stacy missing. Suspicions, but not evidence. But people are still ripping him apart and dissecting his every word or movement. Why? Because he acts like a heal and acts suspicous and is a creep. But...but...but....what if he isn't guilty of anything? Why is it ok to do this to him just because people don't like him?

That's the comparison I was making..... [/*]

IF I was following that thread I might have the same opinion. I don't know as I do not know what is being said. I HAVE not followed that thread so in other words can not answer your question.

[decor]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


Yeah, I think you're right. So, then, there is still the chance they did know each other or come in contact with each other. The thing that gives me pause is that it's been said that Viliamu's wife is considering his disappearance a "family matter". this makes me think she knows where he is and that he is not totally missing. I just wonder if maybe he could have helped Nick disappear somehow. *sigh* I don't know. [/*]

I heard two sides to that too.
The first was right after he disappeared someone said his wife was posting on Facebk. or one of those the next day like nothing happened. I am beginning to wonder though if maybe this is the new norm because I THOUGHT Harlett said that his wife was sick with worry and he is still missing.

this was my point. people seem to think these guys probably walked which would make it very easy for a killer.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


this one is spooky - backpack - ipod -

Duna Florin Iulian has been missing since May 3, 2006 from Seattle, WA. He left riding a bike, with a backpack, an ipod and some cash less than 100$ [/*]

I saw that too. Didn't it say Backpack Mac? Is that a laptop then?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


IF I was following that thread I might have the same opinion. I don't know as I do not know what is being said. I HAVE not followed that thread so in other words can not answer your question. [/*]

That's ok...never mind! :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


I saw that too. Didn't it say Backpack Mac? Is that a laptop then? [/*]

Black Back Pack Mac
just went and looked again

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Black Back Pack Mac
just went and looked again [/*]

I dont know anything about MACs so I had to google it..lol. It is a laptop.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor


<snip>You need to change the * to a lower case * [/*]

:)

[KindraLore]

Strangeness. I never could get the link to work for the other young man. Sorry guys but what was his name again?

[AMS]

Originally posted by KindraLore


I saw that too. Didn't it say Backpack Mac? Is that a laptop then? [/*]


Backpack Mac - As high-tech as a backpack can get. Massive capacity, amazing organization, and serious protection. The laptop or any gear near the left or right side can be grabbed easily through a Quick Access Port. Straps for a tripod are mounted to the bottom of the backpack. Available in 2 sizes, for 15- and 17-inch laptops.

Didn't NF have a 15 inch Mac?

AMS

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


I hadn't heard that about Viliamu's wife. Interesting. However, a poster here had contacted her and she replied about the same...that it was a private matter. So now I don't know WHAT to think! And the fact that there are three men missing in this area makes me wonder. I doubt Nicholas knew the man from Romania but it's possible he knew Viliamu. It's also possible there is a serial killer. I know it's definitely not common but other than the Atlanta Child Murders and Jeffrey Dahmer are there other documented serial killers that target males? [/*]

Yes the Clown guy from Chicago. I foget his name maybe Gary something.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by decor


I heard two sides to that too.
The first was right after he disappeared someone said his wife was posting on Facebk. or one of those the next day like nothing happened. I am beginning to wonder though if maybe this is the new norm because I THOUGHT Harlett said that his wife was sick with worry and he is still missing.

this was my point. people seem to think these guys probably walked which would make it very easy for a killer. [/*]

I wish the police would release information about the fingerprints found in the car.

If it is a "serial killer" he/she is one smart cookie if they don't leave a trace.

I go back to the theory that if you look at what is not being said, the silence of the police and family and friends, you will see a lot.

[Miss Behavin]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Being a missing person is not a crime. Adults can be missing if they choose to. They can choose to leave work, ignore friends and even family. Because of this, law enforcement is quite limited in what they can do. Even if law enforcement does locate the person, they can not divulge any private information about that person without specific permission from that person.
[/*]

I snipped part of your quote, Cat, because this is the part I wanted to address. That's the point I was trying to make in an earlier post as to why everyone is now hush-hush. Maybe LE knows he is alive and I wondered if they could reveal that to the public or not if he asked to be left alone.

Another point, or rather a question, about such an idea. Suppose NF is alive and they know it but can't tell anyone. Isn't there something illegal then with regard to his family asking for financial help from the public?