Discuss the Maria Lauterbach case

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


I agree there is domestic violence in all walks of life, strick10. Rich, poor, all colors, and both genders.

It is just my personal opinion that with what little we know about her that she would seem to have been mentally strong. [/*]

Yup.....

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Let's not forget Wanda---even her husband basically said she nosy. Richard also said Wanda was always eavesdropping on the Laurean's outside conversations.

So I feel that if anything out of ordinary happened, Wanda would have seen it...she was the be all, know all, see all, but report none kind of neighbor. You know the johnny on the spot person. :D

I do, however, think Maria was taken out of the garage and buried late at night so no prying eyes would see.

JMO [/*]
How could I forget Wanda :D

I agree about Maria being buried at night, in fact, the digging may have begun at night a day before she actually was buried there.

JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by strick10


no you're not the only one. that is very weird imo. [/*]

it has raised eyebrows from marines i've asked about it. implies a little impropriety. i don't know him, and i'm not going to say he's done anything wrong. after all, he didn't seek her out. jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by old_lady


And a lawyer. Maybe her snco told her to get one. If the snco is a man maybe she did know him quite well. I hope so, because being married to the cheating Cesar was probably less then nice. jmo [/*]

And yes a lawyer. A SNCO and an enlisted knowing each other quite well is not a good thing. Not a good thing at all. It's one thing to know your Marines for mission purposes but another thing to know each other quite well outside of that.

[baywench]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it has raised eyebrows from marines i've asked about it. implies a little impropriety. i don't know him, and i'm not going to say he's done anything wrong. after all, he didn't seek her out. jmo [/*]

It gets curiousier and curiousier...

[donna]

Originally posted by baywench


What do you think boot camp is...some sort of finishing school? They put the female marines through basically the same training as the men. THey scream at them, gas them, exhaust them, belittle them ie they tear them down to build them up. THe ones that wash out are the ones that are not mentally or physically tough enough to make it. My daughter was in the Coast Guard and I NEVER EVER though she would go active after boot camp. She is no wimp but she said it was really tough. JMO [/*]

LOL, great post, bay!

I know that when my granddaughter got through her basic training with the military, then went through her Security Forces training, she became a strong young woman with a healthy morale. She has great confidence in herself. She is strong mentally and physically.

[henry]

Originally posted by marinewife5


so i'm not the only one getting a strange vibe about her going to her former snco before the police or ncis??? [/*]

similiar sentiment expressed in the comments section of the jd news:

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html

[baywench]

Originally posted by donna


LOL, great post, bay!

I know that when my granddaughter got through her basic training with the military, then went through her Security Forces training, she became a strong young woman with a healthy morale. She has great confidence in herself. She is strong mentally and physically. [/*]

It is an amazing process isn't it. She was so gung ho and dedicated and grown up and focused. That training has worked for a long time, although in the beginning she would send me letters asking me to pray for her everyday. She got really, really sick but would not go to sick call because she wanted to stay with her unit and not go back. Having survived that I don't see a man on earth that is going to intimidate her LOL

edited cos my fingers are faster than brain!!!!

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench


It is an amazing process isn't it. She was so gung ho and dedicated and grown up and focused. That training has worked for a long time, although in the beginning she would send me letters asking me to pray for her everyday. She got really, really sick but go to sick call because she wanted to stay with her unit and not go back. Having survived that I don't see a man on earth that is going to intimidate her LOL [/*]

:patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by baywench


It is an amazing process isn't it. She was so gung ho and dedicated and grown up and focused. That training has worked for a long time, although in the beginning she would send me letters asking me to pray for her everyday. She got really, really sick but go to sick call because she wanted to stay with her unit and not go back. Having survived that I don't see a man on earth that is going to intimidate her LOL [/*]

That is great, bay! Good for her, and it also helps for you to know that. I know you are proud of her!

:patriot: ... thank her for her service for me, please!

And thank you to all on this board who are former military, as well as those whose family now serves!

[strick10]

Originally posted by old_lady



We don't know she knew him more then having a respect for him and feeling she could go to him for help. I'm sure he wouldn't like speculation about that on a message board. There is no proof of anything going on between them.

IMO [/*]

Didn't mean to make my post sound like speculation. And I didn't mean to have anyone think there was anything going on between them. Just stating what the fine line of a relationship of any type between and enlisted and a SNCO is in the MC.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by henry


similiar sentiment expressed in the comments section of the jd news:

http://www.jdnews.com/news/baby_55479___article.html/autopsy_clothing.html [/*]

According to that one comment, she called the SNCO at 6:30 and showed up at OCSD at 8:10.

jmo

[IvySterling]

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Originally posted by old_lady


Well none of us know her to determine either way, but I know what Cesar is and he has no respect for women. If he would rape Maria and kill her, I am sure he is not that nice with his wife.

JMO [/*]
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Right, none of us know know her/CSL, but you know what Cesar is?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5


ITA...i have been a "victim" of abuse, but i chose the high road and removed the "victim' status my dang self. christina has shown no signs of abuse...tells off maria, demands cl turn himself in, stays at a marine party without the marine. she definately has backbone. imo [/*]

:beer: Well stated MW5 and my hat's off :hat: to you and baywench for speaking out for survivors!

We are living a new life and the future is promising for women of today. If you can't empower yourself, then maybe you just don't have the drive to succeed.

I am not saying we don't still have issues with DV and women who grew up seeing it while turning around and marrying into it themselves. Abuse and control go hand in hand. I've seen it with women as well as men.

JMO.

No, if Christina was woman enough to go to her husband's party without him, got front and center with Maria and SPENT ONE SECOND in that house with CL if she didn't commit the act after finding out a woman was buried at the hands of her hubby on her property; well NUFF SAID.

JMO again.

:patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


:beer: Well stated MW5 and my hat's off :hat: to you and baywench for speaking out for survivors!

We are living a new life and the future is promising for women of today. If you can't empower yourself, then maybe you just don't have the drive to succeed.

I am not saying we don't still have issues with DV and women who grew up seeing it while turning around and marrying into it themselves. Abuse and control go hand in hand. I've seen it with women as well as men.

JMO.

No, if Christina was woman enough to go to her husband's party without him, got front and center with Maria and SPENT ONE SECOND in that house with CL if she didn't commit the act after finding out a woman was buried at the hands of her hubby on her property; well NUFF SAID.

JMO again.

:patriot: [/*]

ITA, CANDYKISSES! Good post!

[gaelicpeas]

Again... CL supposedly told CSL that ML was buried in the woods, not on their property.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


ITA, CANDYKISSES! Good post! [/*]

Double ditto!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Again... CL supposedly told CSL that ML was buried in the woods, not on their property.

JMO [/*]

But the fact is he told her he BURIED her. It doesn't matter where. He told his wife that he had buried another woman. As in dead. With his own two hands.

Now, why wasn't she creeped out enough to get the h#ll out of there that day?

[donna]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Again... CL supposedly told CSL that ML was buried in the woods, not on their property.


Yes, but CSL came back from the lawyers office with CAL, then spent that night with him, let him flee, then took the notes to the base. All of this after he was told by his civillian attorney that he could face the DP.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


But the fact is he told her he BURIED her. It doesn't matter where. He told his wife that he had buried another woman. As in dead. With his own two hands.

Now, why wasn't she creeped out enough to get the h#ll out of there that day? [/*]

I agree with you, Cryme... I was just pointing that out again to Candy.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady
From Henry's link


"Lauterbach's body was wrapped in a partially burned comforter, according to the autopsy, which was conducted Jan. 14. Clothing found on Lauterbach's body consisted of a sports bra and a green knit shirt. The report does not list any other clothing as being with her body when it was examined."

Only Cesar would have done something with her regarding no clothes from the waist down. Not Christina.

How much more obvious can it be that Cesar was the only one involved in the murder and cover up.

Amazing.

JMO and good nite. :seeya: [/*]

I'll agree with you that only Cesar would have something to do with her having no clothes from the waist down.

But that doesn't tell me much of anything about murder.

[CANDYKISSES]

Nobody here knows if they were still carrying on a relationship, or whether they had resumed a relatinship after he found out she was pregnant.

We don't know what they were doing at the house, BUT WE DO KNOW THERE WAS CONTACT before they came together that day.

Nobody knows if Christina walked in and completely came unglued, especially after waiting hours for hubby to show up at his own dang party. JMOOC:patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I'll agree with you that only Cesar would have something to do with her having no clothes from the waist down.

But that doesn't tell me much of anything about murder. [/*]

Exactly Cryme, and surely the idea of the comforter coupled with such is enough to pause, no?

I would love to see the credit card receipts for the following weeks and know if new bed linens were purchased by Christina. JMOOC. ;)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Again... CL supposedly told CSL that ML was buried in the woods, not on their property.


Yes, but CSL came back from the lawyers office with CAL, then spent that night with him, let him flee, then took the notes to the base. All of this after he was told by his civillian attorney that he could face the DP. [/*]

I wasn't arguing with that... I encourage everybody to express their own opinions, and I completely agree that CSL should have notified the authorities at her first opportunity. I was just pointing out that CL supposedly said he buried ML in the woods, not in their backyard.

(obviously he was lying)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


According to that one comment, she called the SNCO at 6:30 and showed up at OCSD at 8:10.

jmo [/*]

If he picked her up (in his "marine outfit"), then that's probably an unquestionable timeline.

Unless I'm missing something here.

:shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Exactly Cryme, and surely the idea of the comforter coupled with such is enough to pause, no?

I would love to see the credit card receipts for the following weeks and know if new bed linens were purchased by Christina. JMOOC. ;) [/*]

Yes!

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


If he picked her up (in his "marine outfit"), then that's probably an unquestionable timeline.

Unless I'm missing something here.

:shrug: [/*]

Thought they showed up at NCIS at 0810 and then went to OCSD.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Exactly Cryme, and surely the idea of the comforter coupled with such is enough to pause, no?

I would love to see the credit card receipts for the following weeks and know if new bed linens were purchased by Christina. JMOOC. ;) [/*]
There's the possibility that the comforter was already in the garage, maybe for the dog :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

How could I forget Wanda :D

I agree about Maria being buried at night, in fact, the digging may have begun at night a day before she actually was buried there.

JMO [/*]

I miss Wanda!

:(

[donna]

Got to go.

Easter is a time of miracles and awe. All things are possible.

As all things are possible, I also pray that CAL will be captured and returned to Jacksonville, N. C. so that justice can begin for Maria and Gabriel.

:seeya:

Good night, all!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

There's the possibility that the comforter was already in the garage, maybe for the dog :shrug: [/*]

ugh.... that gave me the creeps thinking about being wrapped in my dog's comforter.

(although I guess if you are dead, it couldn't get much creepier)

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I miss Wanda!

:( [/*]

It'll be okay cryme. Maybe you'll see her again when this case goes to trial.

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Again... CL supposedly told CSL that ML was buried in the woods, not on their property.

JMO [/*]

imo that was to get her off the hook . . . too bad it didn't work.

edit :seeya: donna

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna
Got to go.

Easter is a time of miracles and awe. All things are possible.

As all things are possible, I also pray that CAL will be captured and returned to Jacksonville, N. C. so that justice can begin for Maria and Gabriel.

:seeya:

Good night, all! [/*]

:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna
Got to go.

Easter is a time of miracles and awe. All things are possible.

As all things are possible, I also pray that CAL will be captured and returned to Jacksonville, N. C. so that justice can begin for Maria and Gabriel.

:seeya:

Good night, all! [/*]

G'night, Donna :seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Thought they showed up at NCIS at 0810 and then went to OCSD. [/*]

You may be right. And since her car was in the driveway on 1/11 I'm thinking she didn't drive herself there.

(The car being visible on the photos nuttin posted when we were discussing what kind of car she drove).

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Okay, I can see the fight starting right away and possibility that the murder weapon used most probable readily available in the garage vice inside the house. Won't comment on the rape portion. [/*]

I am still thinking about the superficial knife wound. Now I don't think that Maria would be powerful enough to get away from his grasp if he had the knife at her throat but I do think she may have been able to wrestle herself free if it was Christina and would try to escape out of the garage. If she knocked the knife out of CSLs hand then in a murderous frenzy I do think CSL would pick up whatever was close by to strike her with.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

There's the possibility that the comforter was already in the garage, maybe for the dog :shrug: [/*]

Even if it were for the dog, does Christina not even notice that it's gone?

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


You may be right. And since her car was in the driveway on 1/11 I'm thinking she didn't drive herself there.

(The car being visible on the photos nuttin posted when we were discussing what kind of car she drove). [/*]

You're probably right. She was probably a h3ellava nervous to drive anywhere.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am still thinking about the superficial knife wound. Now I don't think that Maria would be powerful enough to get away from his grasp if he had the knife at her throat but I do think she may have been able to wrestle herself free if it was Christina and would try to escape out of the garage. If she knocked the knife out of CSLs hand then in a murderous frenzy I do think CSL would pick up whatever was close by to strike her with.

JMO [/*]

that's an interesting idea, Gentle....

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna
Got to go.

Easter is a time of miracles and awe. All things are possible.

As all things are possible, I also pray that CAL will be captured and returned to Jacksonville, N. C. so that justice can begin for Maria and Gabriel.

:seeya:

Good night, all! [/*]

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


It'll be okay cryme. Maybe you'll see her again when this case goes to trial. [/*]

Oh please let that be true!

:beer:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I miss Wanda!

:( [/*]
Me too! I had some Rit Dye and a bundle of rubber bands to give her.

Okay, back O/T, but still about Wanda. I would assume the LE knows where they've moved wouldn't they since all three of them gave statements :shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I miss Wanda!

:( [/*]

It gives me comfort to think how nerve racking it must have been to commit any kind of crime with Wanda next door. Hell, I wouldn't have hung any of my less than perfect panties on a clothes line in case she watching!!!

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I am still thinking about the superficial knife wound. Now I don't think that Maria would be powerful enough to get away from his grasp if he had the knife at her throat but I do think she may have been able to wrestle herself free if it was Christina and would try to escape out of the garage. If she knocked the knife out of CSLs hand then in a murderous frenzy I do think CSL would pick up whatever was close by to strike her with.

JMO [/*]

IMO I think that the cut on her throat was kinda whimpy, no disrespect intended please. I would think a man would've created a longer cut maybe running from ear to ear.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Even if it were for the dog, does Christina not even notice that it's gone? [/*]
Oh sure, I'm sure she would. I just meant that maybe no new comforter was purchased.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Me too! I had some Rit Dye and a bundle of rubber bands to give her.

Okay, back O/T, but still about Wanda. I would assume the LE knows where they've moved wouldn't they since all three of them gave statements :shrug: [/*]

Yeah, do you think Rick would tell us though? I mean, he has to know she's our hero.

:shrug:

(I still don't think that was Wanda in the jammies though. The Wanda that talked to Shep that day was ANYTHING but the crossed arm, mumbling little thing we saw on the porch with Menard. She talked to Shep like they went way back!).

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench


It gives me comfort to think how nerve racking it must have been to commit any kind of crime with Wanda next door. Hell, I wouldn't have hung any of my less than perfect panties on a clothes line in case she watching!!! [/*]

ita . . . and too many punchlines i can think of as a comback . . . so i'll leave it as :D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


It gives me comfort to think how nerve racking it must have been to commit any kind of crime with Wanda next door. Hell, I wouldn't have hung any of my less than perfect panties on a clothes line in case she watching!!! [/*]

:eek:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


IMO I think that the cut on her throat was kinda whimpy, no disrespect intended please. I would think a man would've created a longer cut maybe running from ear to ear. [/*]

My thoughts exactly.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


My thoughts exactly.

imoo [/*]

To me it says woman or a very squirmish dude.

[BarbraAllen]

Hi everyone, I'm only up to page 14 but wanted to ask this question before I forget it. And I apologise if it has been asked and discussed already.

For anyone who saw Christina's parents on the CBS interview: Did the parents know about the rape allegation before the murder? Or did they find out all this at the same time?

I don't even know if this was brought up in the interview, I don't remember. And thank you to anyone who might happen to know!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Hi everyone, I'm only up to page 14 but wanted to ask this question before I forget it. And I apologise if it has been asked and discussed already.

For anyone who saw Christina's parents on the CBS interview: Did the parents know about the rape allegation before the murder? Or did they find out all this at the same time?

I don't even know if this was brought up in the interview, I don't remember. And thank you to anyone who might happen to know! [/*]

Not sure, Barbra. I actually tried to watch that video on my lunch hour today, but I couldn't get it to pull up....

I wanted to watch it again because I had remembered CSL's mother as not exactly being the toughest woman I have ever seen. And, IIRC, it is her step-dad, not her bio-dad.

Anyway, if CSL is anything like her mother, well then I could believe she had no clue about the murder! JMO. Maybe she takes after her bio-dad?

[gaelicpeas]

Barbra... also... like I said, I can't remember if the rape was brought up during CSL's parents' interview. But I do remember her step-dad saying something like at first he wanted to believe CL's story, but that now he thinks he is just a coward. IOW, he implied, IMO, that he thinks CL murdered her.

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Hi everyone, I'm only up to page 14 but wanted to ask this question before I forget it. And I apologise if it has been asked and discussed already.

For anyone who saw Christina's parents on the CBS interview: Did the parents know about the rape allegation before the murder? Or did they find out all this at the same time?

I don't even know if this was brought up in the interview, I don't remember. And thank you to anyone who might happen to know! [/*]
The rape allegations were never mentioned Barbra.
http://tinyurl.com/336t37

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
quote:


There is no way that CSL only discussed this case with her husband every couple of months. I feel sure this was a hot topic and was high on her list of discussions. For her to only discuss it every couple of months goes way past absurd in my book. The hinky meter went way off the chart on that one.
[/*]

My impression of that was that CESAR was given updates by NCIS and/or USMC about the case every month or so - & after HE was given an update, he discussed the update with Christina.

IOW, if he had gotten an update every week, they would have discussed the update every week. Or every day, if updates were given to Cesar every day.

I never interpreted her to be saying they never discussed anything about the case inbetween the times the NCIS/USMC was giving Cesar status updates. I understood her to be referring only to the length of time that passed between CASE UPDATES.



JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The rape allegations were never mentioned Barbra.
http://tinyurl.com/336t37 [/*]

Thanks, Ivy... now Monday I can watch it again at work on my lunch hour!

[gaelicpeas]

Ivy.... what were your impressions of CSL's mother from that interview?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Mimi428


My impression of that was that CESAR was given updates by NCIS and/or USMC about the case every month or so - & after HE was given an update, he discussed the update with Christina.

IOW, if he had gotten an update every week, they would have discussed the update every week. Or every day, if updates were given to Cesar every day.

I never interpreted her to be saying they never discussed anything about the case inbetween the times the NCIS/USMC was giving Cesar status updates. I understood her to be referring only to the length of time that passed between CASE UPDATES.



JMO [/*]

Hi, Mimi... I think that is a distinct possibility, and the timing is probably right as far as CL getting updates.

But who knows...

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Ivy... now Monday I can watch it again at work on my lunch hour! [/*]
To me she looked scared to death, in a state of shock, and sick to her stomach.

When asked by Julie Chen if she thought Cesar was guilty she said "I don't want to comment".

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by strick10


IMO I think that the cut on her throat was kinda whimpy, no disrespect intended please. I would think a man would've created a longer cut maybe running from ear to ear. [/*]

Could be that whoever cut her throat was not nearly as bold when it came time to inflict an injury that 'up close & personal'.

It's one thing to smash a person upside the head with an object like a crowbar or bat, etc. There is distance, you don't have to touch them with your own hands, etc.

Look at the number of people who can easily slap a bug with a flyswatter or rolled up newspaper, but would NEVER use their bare hand to slap the same bug.

Big 'ick' factor to holding someone's head & slicing their throat. I think whoever did it didn't have the stomach for it - couldn't hold up to being in 'flesh to flesh' contact while commiting violence.


JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Mimi428


Could be that whoever cut her throat was not nearly as bold when it came time to inflict an injury that 'up close & personal'.

It's one thing to smash a person upside the head with an object like a crowbar or bat, etc. There is distance, you don't have to touch them with your own hands, etc.

Look at the number of people who can easily slap a bug with a flyswatter or rolled up newspaper, but would NEVER use their bare hand to slap the same bug.

Big 'ick' factor to holding someone's head & slicing their throat. I think whoever did it didn't have the stomach for it - couldn't hold up to being in 'flesh to flesh' contact while commiting violence.

JMO [/*]
Well, since we don't know how the blade was slanted, or if it was it could have been done from the front standing back a bit and swinging the knife at her.

Just an opinion...........

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

To me she looked scared to death, in a state of shock, and sick to her stomach.

When asked by Julie Chen if she thought Cesar was guilty she said "I don't want to comment". [/*]

okay...

I had a different take... but we each have our own opinions!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Mimi428


Could be that whoever cut her throat was not nearly as bold when it came time to inflict an injury that 'up close & personal'.

It's one thing to smash a person upside the head with an object like a crowbar or bat, etc. There is distance, you don't have to touch them with your own hands, etc.

Look at the number of people who can easily slap a bug with a flyswatter or rolled up newspaper, but would NEVER use their bare hand to slap the same bug.

Big 'ick' factor to holding someone's head & slicing their throat. I think whoever did it didn't have the stomach for it - couldn't hold up to being in 'flesh to flesh' contact while commiting violence.


JMO [/*]

Interesting thoughts, Mimi....

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Well, since we don't know how the blade was slanted, or if it was it could have been done from the front standing back a bit and swinging the knife at her.

Just an opinion........... [/*]

Could have been.

I wish the autopsy was a little more detailed. Hopefully LE has more details, but IMO it left out a lot of stuff....

[gaelicpeas]

I should add, though, to my comment about the autopsy... from its description of the body, there wasn't a whole lot to work with. Hopefully the samples sent off to the lab will show more.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


okay...

I had a different take... but we each have our own opinions! [/*]
To be truthful, the first time I saw it live I thought 'where are the real tears'?. But, after viewing it more I realized not everyone shows emotion the way I do and blubbers all over the place when it involves my daughter :)

I think they both were very nervous, he/Bruce had to stop and recall what Christina had said to them. I thought he was dismayed and angry at what had happened saying at one point. "I thougt he was a man of character".

It's a lot for parents to take in, and why some agree to appear on Nat'l T.V. so soon after something like this happens is beyond me :shrug:

[sexxytazz]

Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands?

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Not sure, Barbra. I actually tried to watch that video on my lunch hour today, but I couldn't get it to pull up....

I wanted to watch it again because I had remembered CSL's mother as not exactly being the toughest woman I have ever seen. And, IIRC, it is her step-dad, not her bio-dad.

Anyway, if CSL is anything like her mother, well then I could believe she had no clue about the murder! JMO. Maybe she takes after her bio-dad? [/*]

Thank you gaelicpeas. The mother seemed very stiff to me and very nervous but then it could be that she is just terrified of being on camera, especially under those horrible circumstances.

I'd like to see it again too. It has been a while and I did not watch it very carefully, had too much going on at the time.

I'd also like to see the video of Shep Smith and Wanda, I wonder if that is online anywhere!

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

Hi sexytazz, I have wondered that.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428


Could be that whoever cut her throat was not nearly as bold when it came time to inflict an injury that 'up close & personal'.

It's one thing to smash a person upside the head with an object like a crowbar or bat, etc. There is distance, you don't have to touch them with your own hands, etc.

Look at the number of people who can easily slap a bug with a flyswatter or rolled up newspaper, but would NEVER use their bare hand to slap the same bug.

Big 'ick' factor to holding someone's head & slicing their throat. I think whoever did it didn't have the stomach for it - couldn't hold up to being in 'flesh to flesh' contact while committing violence.


JMO [/*]

Hi Mimi!

I have always thought bludgeoning someone to death is one of the most brutal methods. They certainly couldn't be squeamish about blood as this a very bloody way to kill someone.

I doubt if someone was squeamish about using a knife they would have picked that weapon to start with.

The superficial wound leaves many questions for me. I do think because it is just on one side and not life threatening it makes me think it was done by a female and with Maria being strong and athletic she may have been able to break the grasp of the person........trying to flee for her life only to be bludgeoned by the weapon that was most likely laying there in plain sight.

imoo

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The rape allegations were never mentioned Barbra.
http://tinyurl.com/336t37 [/*]

Thanks, IvySterling!

If these parents didn't know about the rape allegation, I'm sure that was a bitter pill to swallow as well.

I cannot help but speculate, wondering if her mother and stepfather believe Christina.

[baywench]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Hi sexytazz, I have wondered that. [/*]

I have always believed the clothing was completely burned off as where her legs for the most part. IMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

Hi Sexxy!

I have never thought that. I think Gabriel died inside of Maria shortly after she died.

imoo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

Until you brought it up the other day, it had never crossed my mind. However, that said, your post that day definitely got me thinking on another theory.

I'm not sold on that one, but I do believe you could be right Tazz.

JMO.:eek:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thanks, IvySterling!

If these parents didn't know about the rape allegation, I'm sure that was a bitter pill to swallow as well.

I cannot help but speculate, wondering if her mother and stepfather believe Christina. [/*]
They knew of the allegations, it just wasn't discussed during the interview. Julie Chen states the allegation at the beginning of the video.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by baywench


I have always believed the clothing was completely burned off as where her legs for the most part. IMO [/*]

Yes I think so too. I imagine the ME will clear that up when and if there is ever a trial.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thank you gaelicpeas. The mother seemed very stiff to me and very nervous but then it could be that she is just terrified of being on camera, especially under those horrible circumstances.

I'd like to see it again too. It has been a while and I did not watch it very carefully, had too much going on at the time.

I'd also like to see the video of Shep Smith and Wanda, I wonder if that is online anywhere! [/*]

I would love to see Wanda's interview with Shep as I have never seen it!

Anyway... yes, I want to watch her parents' interview again. She basically came across to me as a blubbering idiot, to put it gently. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

I dunno, Sexy.. could have been, although the autopsy doesn't mention any cuts to her abdomen. But then again, her body may have been too decomposed to see any cuts.

JMO

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

it has crossed my mind. only because he was telling people his wife was pregnant. jmo

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Until you brought it up the other day, it had never crossed my mind. However, that said, your post that day definitely got me thinking on another theory.

I'm not sold on that one, but I do believe you could be right Tazz.

JMO.:eek: [/*]

Thanks everybody.

I'm not 100% on this CANDY, but I have thought all along that the baby was the key. I feel there was a plan that involved Cesar and Christina, either adoption by them or a family member. I think Maria was pulling out of that plan, which is what caused her murder.

BUT, if this is the way it went down, they would not have wanted the baby dead...which leads me back to them attempting to take the baby after Marias death.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


I have always believed the clothing was completely burned off as where her legs for the most part. IMO [/*]

I dunno. Looking at the autopsy drawings, it appears that her right front thigh was not charred. That thigh, if I am understanding correctly, was the furthest away from the fire - basically on the bottom. I would think that some type of clothing would be there, especially if there were shirt and bra fragments.

But JMO.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Sexxy!

I have never thought that. I think Gabriel died inside of Maria shortly after she died.

imoo [/*]

forgive me for being graphic, but could the stress of the attack forced labor or at least fooled the laureans into thinking she went into labor, and maybe the pants were removed in case? just pondering.

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by marinewife5


forgive me for being graphic, but could the stress of the attack forced labor or at least fooled the laureans into thinking she went into labor, and maybe the pants were removed in case? just pondering. [/*]

I would say that is a possibility as well.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


Thanks everybody.

I'm not 100% on this CANDY, but I have thought all along that the baby was the key. I feel there was a plan that involved Cesar and Christina, either adoption by them or a family member. I think Maria was pulling out of that plan, which is what caused her murder.

BUT, if this is the way it went down, they would not have wanted the baby dead...which leads me back to them attempting to take the baby after Marias death. [/*]

Interesting theory, Sexxy.

But how could they pull off a brand new baby unless CSL was obviously looking pregnant?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


forgive me for being graphic, but could the stress of the attack forced labor or at least fooled the laureans into thinking she went into labor, and maybe the pants were removed in case? just pondering. [/*]

Could be...

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Interesting theory, Sexxy.

But how could they pull off a brand new baby unless CSL was obvioulsy looking pregnant? [/*]

We don't know that she didn't. Of course we don't know that she did either. I am leaning toward an adoption from somebody other than them, maybe a family member or friend who wanted a child.

Way back in the beginning of this case, we heard about some money transfers to Cesars account. Was this money from adoptive parents? Some do pay the pregnant mothers living expenses while she is pregnant.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Could be... [/*]

methinks the autopsy report raised more questions than it answered. jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by marinewife5


forgive me for being graphic, but could the stress of the attack forced labor or at least fooled the laureans into thinking she went into labor, and maybe the pants were removed in case? just pondering. [/*]

Could be.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


Thanks everybody.

I'm not 100% on this CANDY, but I have thought all along that the baby was the key. I feel there was a plan that involved Cesar and Christina, either adoption by them or a family member. I think Maria was pulling out of that plan, which is what caused her murder.

BUT, if this is the way it went down, they would not have wanted the baby dead...which leads me back to them attempting to take the baby after Marias death. [/*]

But if she had backed out why would she come by his home? She could have just called him or not called him at all.:shrug:

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


We don't know that she didn't. Of course we don't know that she did either. I am leaning toward an adoption from somebody other than them, maybe a family member or friend who wanted a child.

Way back in the beginning of this case, we heard about some money transfers to Cesars account. Was this money from adoptive parents? Some do pay the pregnant mothers living expenses while she is pregnant. [/*]

interesting thoughts. I am not real familiar with adoption. do the bio-parents pay, or do the adoptive parents pay? (or is any money exchanged at all?)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


We don't know that she didn't. Of course we don't know that she did either. I am leaning toward an adoption from somebody other than them, maybe a family member or friend who wanted a child.

Way back in the beginning of this case, we heard about some money transfers to Cesars account. Was this money from adoptive parents? Some do pay the pregnant mothers living expenses while she is pregnant. [/*]

So.. in this theory then, ML's murder would have been planned?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


So.. in this theory then, ML's murder would have been planned? [/*]

hmmm...maybe maria talked about the adoption option to cl. when she changed her mind, they saw the solution to child support disappear. just a theory.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


hmmm...maybe maria talked about the adoption option to cl. when she changed her mind, they saw the solution to child support disappear. just a theory. [/*]

ok.. gotcha.

So.. . how would that work? If CL was the father... and ML was discharged for false rape allegations... would he still be responsible for child support? Just wondering...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


ok.. gotcha.

So.. . how would that work? If CL was the father... and ML was discharged for false rape allegations... would he still be responsible for child support? Just wondering... [/*]

if he was the father, he was the father. rape or no rape. there is a marine corps order determining the exact amount of the child support due to her (provided there is proof of paternity) until a court order for child support is in place. i have the link saved on my old laptop. i'll try to retrieve it tomorrow.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


if he was the father, he was the father. rape or no rape. there is a marine corps order determining the exact amount of the child support due to her (provided there is proof of paternity) until a court order for child support is in place. i have the link saved on my old laptop. i'll try to retrieve it tomorrow. [/*]

Interesting...

How much is child support anyway these days?

[gaelicpeas]

oops.. just saw that you said you would retrieve the document tomorrow...

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Interesting...

How much is child support anyway these days? [/*]

in the mc it varies by rank as it is a percentage of your pay. rough guestimate without the link...he would have paid about 250 to 300 per month. in my opinion, child support was the motive in the murder. jmo

[marinewife5]

i am off to bed. i will try my hardest to remember to post the dependent support order tomorrow. have a great night everyone!:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5
i am off to bed. i will try my hardest to remember to post the dependent support order tomorrow. have a great night everyone!:seeya: [/*]

g'night :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

If any one wants to try and find the interview that Shep did with Wanda, it occurred on 1/17 during the 3:00pm hour.

I'm off to bed.

:seeya:

[baywench]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


ok.. gotcha.

So.. . how would that work? If CL was the father... and ML was discharged for false rape allegations... would he still be responsible for child support? Just wondering... [/*]

Yes. Anytime that DNA proves who is the father he must pay child support.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by marinewife5


in the mc it varies by rank as it is a percentage of your pay. rough guestimate without the link...he would have paid about 250 to 300 per month. in my opinion, child support was the motive in the murder. jmo [/*]
ACCORDING TO THIS:

Under no circumstances shall the total amount of support required exceed 1/3 of the Marine’s gross military pay, per month. For purposes of this order, gross military pay is defined as the total of all military pay and allowances before taxes or any other deductions. The amount calculated under the chart below is presumed to be the correct amount of support to be paid to a family member. A Support Calculation Worksheet is provided at Figure 15-1.

Total Number of
Family Members
Entitled to Support Minimum Amount
Of Monthly Support per Requesting Family Member Share of Monthly BAH/OHA per Requesting Family Member
1 $350 1/2
2 $286 1/3
3 $233 1/4
4 $200 1/5
5 $174 1/6
6 or more $152 1/7 or etc.

pdf:http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/legal/Domestic_Relationship/Information/LegAdminMan.doc

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
If any one wants to try and find the interview that Shep did with Wanda, it occurred on 1/17 during the 3:00pm hour.

I'm off to bed.

:seeya: [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin, and g'night :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

ACCORDING TO THIS:

Under no circumstances shall the total amount of support required exceed 1/3 of the Marine’s gross military pay, per month. For purposes of this order, gross military pay is defined as the total of all military pay and allowances before taxes or any other deductions. The amount calculated under the chart below is presumed to be the correct amount of support to be paid to a family member. A Support Calculation Worksheet is provided at Figure 15-1.

Total Number of
Family Members
Entitled to Support Minimum Amount
Of Monthly Support per Requesting Family Member Share of Monthly BAH/OHA per Requesting Family Member
1 $350 1/2
2 $286 1/3
3 $233 1/4
4 $200 1/5
5 $174 1/6
6 or more $152 1/7 or etc.

pdf:http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/legal/Domestic_Relationship/Information/LegAdminMan.doc [/*]

Thanks, Ivy.. so he would have to pay $350 a month, or 1/2 of $350 ($175)?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
If any one wants to try and find the interview that Shep did with Wanda, it occurred on 1/17 during the 3:00pm hour.

I'm off to bed.

:seeya: [/*]
I've found nothing, did some screen caps I think of that day, dunno??

I'm outta here too, nite all :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


in the mc it varies by rank as it is a percentage of your pay. rough guestimate without the link...he would have paid about 250 to 300 per month. in my opinion, child support was the motive in the murder. jmo [/*]

I know you've gone to bed, but now I am confused. You said you think child support was the motive. Was that CL or CSL's motive?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I've found nothing, did some screen caps I think of that day, dunno??

I'm outta here too, nite all :seeya: [/*]

g'night, Ivy.

Sheesh.. so it is 12:15 on a Friday night and everyone has gone to bed?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


g'night, Ivy.

Sheesh.. so it is 12:15 on a Friday night and everyone has gone to bed? [/*]
LOL, it's three hours earlier for me here. Not going to bed, just shutting down the puter for the nite.

Now, I'm really leaving............real fast before I hear another reply pop up in my email :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

LOL, it's three hours earlier for me here. Not going to bed, just shutting down the puter for the nite.

Now, I'm really leaving............real fast before I hear another reply pop up in my email :D [/*]

well no wonder you always show up late at night... you are a Cali gal (well, I am assuming you are female with that nic, but who knows!).

[gaelicpeas]

So... I have been thinking about mw5's thought that child support was the motive. In my mind, I had always thought the rape allegation was the motive... so this is an interesting thought...

[chance]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


Thanks everybody.

I'm not 100% on this CANDY, but I have thought all along that the baby was the key. I feel there was a plan that involved Cesar and Christina, either adoption by them or a family member. I think Maria was pulling out of that plan, which is what caused her murder.

BUT, if this is the way it went down, they would not have wanted the baby dead...which leads me back to them attempting to take the baby after Marias death. [/*]

There is absolutely no way this could happen. IMO

The rape allegations are still there.

A pregnant girl is missing and the guy who happens to be accused of raping her and getting her pregnant. Suddenly Mr. and Mrs. Laurean have a brand new baby.

I can't even believe they planned on taking her baby.

moo
chance

[CanCan]

:seeya: Just jumping on to wish everyone a BLESSED EASTER!!!

We got 9 inches of snow today, so traveling to Austria will be like going to the tropics, relatively speaking.

Take care, all. And if CL is caught while I'm gone, give him a good kick in the keister for me!! :D

[henry]

:patriot: nelkirk . . . magnificent post, with the exception of NYC (j/k - too close to home . . . but could blend in quite well in the city) - can this be copied over to the "theory" site when it opens on monday?

crap . . . wasn't around for sexytagg's post which ITA - no way cesar had sex/rape on his mind with an 8 mo. pregnant woman carrying his child, with the looming article 32 and a ticked off wife who was already probably threatening to leave him & spill the beans . . . jmo.

oops . . . one more thing - i am shocked that greta hasn't had an update since the latest autopsy report(s) came out . . . i've never seen her not follow up on something like this . . . and can't figure it out . . . i'd really like to hear baden's evaluation of this (i tend to believe/like him more when he's not testifying :) )

edit: i can't find crap in my bookmarks anymore . . . thinking of, in my spare time, to organize them in an excel worksheet . . . . still trying to figure out lg's system

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


But if she had backed out why would she come by his home? She could have just called him or not called him at all.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

We don't know that she didn't call him. She very well may have called him and told him she could not go through wih it, and he talked her into coming over so they could discuss it. Or maybe he even asked her to come over and pick him up so he could leave with her.:shrug:

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


interesting thoughts. I am not real familiar with adoption. do the bio-parents pay, or do the adoptive parents pay? (or is any money exchanged at all?) [/*]

The adopitive parents pay for the pregnant mothers living expenses, medical bills ect. Since Maria did not need the medical money, I think it may have been funneled elsewhere.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Mimi428


My impression of that was that CESAR was given updates by NCIS and/or USMC about the case every month or so - & after HE was given an update, he discussed the update with Christina.

IOW, if he had gotten an update every week, they would have discussed the update every week. Or every day, if updates were given to Cesar every day.

I never interpreted her to be saying they never discussed anything about the case inbetween the times the NCIS/USMC was giving Cesar status updates. I understood her to be referring only to the length of time that passed between CASE UPDATES.



JMO [/*]

Yes! Thank you.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Just curious, does anybody other than me think her clothing might have been removed so the baby could be taken?

Show of hands? [/*]

No.

[henry]

Originally posted by old_lady
Snipped from Henry's post

Quote:

"no way cesar had sex/rape on his mind with an 8 mo. pregnant woman carrying his child, with the looming article 32 and a ticked off wife who was already probably threatening to leave him & spill the beans . . . jmo."
_________________________________
I'm not sure I follow you. I don't think he had sex on his mind either. Rape, however, is a violent act and that he had on his mind.

JMO [/*]

thank you . . . yes, i do know rape is a violent act . . . i only mentioned it 'cause it had been brought up before as a possible explanation. did he have rape on his mind? i don't think so . . . did he commit a violent act? yes . . . jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


We don't know that she didn't call him. She very well may have called him and told him she could not go through wih it, and he talked her into coming over so they could discuss it. Or maybe he even asked her to come over and pick him up so he could leave with her.:shrug: [/*]

Maybe he had already bought his ticket way before this and they picked the 14th so it would give them more cash since it would be payday for both of them.

Maybe they really were both planning to leave on the 14th and their plans fell through or something very unexpected happened right out of the blue that changed all that.:shrug:

imoo

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Maybe he had already bought his ticket way before this and they picked the 14th so it would give them more cash since it would be payday for both of them.

Maybe they really were both planning to leave on the 14th and their plans fell through or something very unexpected happened right out of the blue that changed all that.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Anything is possible I think. I haven't ruled out to many possibilities simply because we just have not been given much to work with.

My gut feeling is the baby was supposed to go up for adoption and for some reason, that was changed at the last minute and that was the thing that pushed the murderer over the edge.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by nelkirk
CALs truck was left at the Microtel Inn @ 104 Factory Shops Road Morrisville, NC 27560 which is .5 mile from the Raleigh-Durham Airport.

According to the USPS there is a mail box for outgoing mail just outside Terminal A which is just .5 mile from where CAL left his truck. Not a far walk. A letter deposited in that box would be worked at the RDA Mail Facility at the Airport, so it would be canceled there with that postmark.

So CAL leaves 103 Meadow Trail Jacksonville, NC between 0430 and 0500 and heads toward RDA which is 126 miles away. Under normal conditions the trip will take approximately 2 hours and 15 minutes. It will be close to 0645 when he reaches Morrisville, the street lights are still on as sunrise is still twenty to twenty five minutes away.

A maximum of twenty five minutes in which to hide a truck in plain sight. CAL cruises the motel parking lots close to the airport until he finds the one with plenty of vehicles parked close together. He wedges his truck into a space, opens the door and exits the truck dragging his duffle bag out behind him. He reaches back into the truck to snatch a letter off the dash. He slams the door and locks the truck before he steps off toward the lights of the airport. It will be a short walk to reach those lights .5 mile away.

7-10 minutes later CAL finds the mail box outside Terminal A and heads for it. He drops his letter into the box as he looks at his watch. It is now 0715. A plane roars as it soars over his head, off to it's destination. Perhaps, he thinks about taking a plane in order to quickly put the distance between himself and those who will soon be searching for him. But no, he needs to be extra cautious now at the beginning of the chase. Making a mistake now would only get himself trapped and caught.

The Triangle Transit Authority Bus Stop is right there in front of the Terminal. CAL looks at the schedule ...his bus will arrive at 0725, but he misses that one another one is scheduled to arrive at 0755. No worries he has plenty of time. And just as expected Bus TTA 747 pulls up at Terminal A right on time.. The doors open and he acts natural as he climbs aboard, pays his $2.00 fee and steps toward the back, away from any prying eyes. The traffic is still light and it is easy to make his transfer to bus TTA 412 and it pulls away toward his stop. He glances at his watch when the bus arrives at the Amtrak Station in Durham.

Traffic has begun to pick up now that is after 0800. In the early morning light he can see the hours sign and reads that the station has only been open for a little over an hour. He notes that it is not crowded, but no one really seems to notice him. He enters the station hoping to get his ticket without any problems . He believes that he has the situation well in hand, no one is looking for a Hispanic male named Armando Rameriz, at least not yet. He looks up into the eyes of the sleepy ticket clerk and asks him how to buy an Amtrak ticket. It is easier when they think that you do not understand English. He discusses several destinations with the clerk, finally settling on one that seems to offer him the most protection.

He begins to sweat when the clerk asks him for his ID, but after one cursory look, the clerk writes down the number and CAL puts it away. He reaches into this jacket pocket and removes a rolled up wad of bills and proceeds to lay the bills on to counter top. The clerk counts then and puts them in the till before finishing the ticket sales. As he hands CAL the ticket he wishes him a safe and happy trip. CAL thanks the man, wondering if there can really be any safety or happiness in his future. The clock on the wall of the station reads 0830. He still has things to do.

The sunlight is bright as CAL leaves the Amtrak Station. He looks around to see where his next stop must be. The Amtrak Station is at 412 W. Chapel Hill St., if he walks just thirty six feet east he will enter the Greyhound Bus Station. Once again CAL approaches the ticket counter. One again the clerk takes pity on his limited understanding of English. The clerk doesn't even blink when CAL asks for a ticket from Durham to El Paso. The clerk tells him that Greyhound has a Mexican connection that allows him to buy a ticket to transfer onto an Americanos USA bus to continue into Mexico. Sounds like it will be easy to travel over the border into Mexico without any problems. Just a Mexican returning home from work in the United States. Wondering if he is making another mistake, he tells the clerk that he needs a few minutes to decide if this is what he wants to do.

He heads toward the restroom. He wastes some time in there but it clears his head. As he leaves the restroom he turns back toward the ticket counter . He reaches into his jacket pocket and removes a rolled up wad of bills . Once again he unrolls the bills and lays them on the counter. Still El Paso seems a million miles and a border away. The transaction complete, ticket in hand CAL glances at the departure time of 1010 and realizes that he still has 40 minutes before the bus takes him away from his little girl. Slowly he puts his bus ticket into his pocket. (Now if he didn't drop the letter into the mail box at the Raleigh-Durham Airport this is when he would walk an additional .4 mile to the Durham Main Post Office and drop it in the box, but IMO he has already mailed his letter at the airport).

<snipped>

[/*]

Great post Nelkirk!

The Microtel motel is across Interstate 40, not on the same side as the airport. He would have had to cross all the lanes of I-40 to get to RDU airport. That may or may not add time to his jaunt across a major highway.

IIRC the desk clerk (Sherrie Joyner, I think is her name) said there was an unmanned bus stop located very near the Microtel so I'm inclined to think he chose that one over jaunting across I-40 to catch one to the Durham bus station from the terminal at RDU.

As to me questioning the postmark on the envelope, all I was trying to say that with all the mail that I have ever received from the Raleigh-Durham area, I have never seen a postmark of Raleigh-Durham, that's all.

I am curious as to why he chose the bus terminal in Durham over the one in Raleigh. The exit to the Raleigh terminal at exit 298 and the one to Microtel is at exit 284. So perhaps cryme's speculation that his leaving his truck at exit 284 was a pre-determined destination since he may have been more familiar with that area than the area at or around exit 298.

Regardless of the means, how or why, it's apparent that CAL strolled right on to the bus and headed to Houston and then onto Mexico.

Unless he's in a rolled up rug somewhere. ;)

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


Anything is possible I think. I haven't ruled out to many possibilities simply because we just have not been given much to work with.

My gut feeling is the baby was supposed to go up for adoption and for some reason, that was changed at the last minute and that was the thing that pushed the murderer over the edge. [/*]

I have mentioned more than once the statement made to the media when they contacted someone in the Laurean home right after Maria was found and Cesar gone. That person said "you do not know the entire story" or something very similar. I do think the Laureans know much more about this entire situation that we think. Mexicans are well known for taking care of their own... .even extended family members. Many of them too are devout Catholics.

I don't think Gabriel was going to be adopted by anyone but I do feel he and Maria were going to be taken care of by CLs family members. I think this is what CS means when he said they have found the connection between Maria and the El Paso ticket. They may even have emails on DDs computer.

JMO tho

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

ACCORDING TO THIS:

Under no circumstances shall the total amount of support required exceed 1/3 of the Marine’s gross military pay, per month. For purposes of this order, gross military pay is defined as the total of all military pay and allowances before taxes or any other deductions. The amount calculated under the chart below is presumed to be the correct amount of support to be paid to a family member. A Support Calculation Worksheet is provided at Figure 15-1.

Total Number of
Family Members
Entitled to Support Minimum Amount
Of Monthly Support per Requesting Family Member Share of Monthly BAH/OHA per Requesting Family Member
1 $350 1/2
2 $286 1/3
3 $233 1/4
4 $200 1/5
5 $174 1/6
6 or more $152 1/7 or etc.

pdf:http://www.lejeune.usmc.mil/legal/Domestic_Relationship/Information/LegAdminMan.doc [/*]

Thanks Ivy.

So Gabriel would bring him up to having 4 family members to share his income and that would mean he only had to pay for 1/5 each month?

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Thanks Ivy.

So Gabriel would bring him up to having 4 family members to share his income and that would mean he only had to pay for 1/5 each month?

imoo [/*]

Would that include the mothers of the children or just the children?

:shrug:

[sexxytazz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I have mentioned more than once the statement made to the media when they contacted someone in the Laurean home right after Maria was found and Cesar gone. That person said "you do not know the entire story" or something very similar. I do think the Laureans know much more about this entire situation that we think. Mexicans are well known for taking care of their own... .even extended family members. Many of them too are devout Catholics.

I don't think Gabriel was going to be adopted by anyone but I do feel he and Maria were going to be taken care of by CLs family members. I think this is what CS means when he said they have found the connection between Maria and the El Paso ticket. They may even have emails on DDs computer.

JMO tho [/*]

The thing that keeps throwing me off that theory is Marys statement about the "heated discussion" she had with Maria about the adoption. I keep going back to Maria having a change of heart about giving the baby up, which in turn started the whole chain of events.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Would that include the mothers of the children or just the children?

:shrug: [/*]

I would think it would be all that relies on his income.

Himself
Christina
His daughter
Gabriel

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sexxytazz


The thing that keeps throwing me off that theory is Marys statement about the "heated discussion" she had with Maria about the adoption. I keep going back to Maria having a change of heart about giving the baby up, which in turn started the whole chain of events. [/*]

I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I truly understand Sexxy.........this is a case with so many twists and turns.

But see this is how I feel about that. I think Maria was telling her family one thing while planning to do something else entirely. Something she knew they would not understand.

I think for quite awhile she had no intentions of giving Gabriel up. Being adopted herself, Maria may have felt the sadness at times from that and was never going to let Gabriel go through the same struggles.

imoo [/*]

Add to that Anne's (her younger sister) having a baby in March '07 when she was still in high school. IMO, Maria already knew what the reaction from the parents was going to be.