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n/t

03-19-2008, 07:20 AM

Good Morning Everyone,

The fact remains that Nicholas is not listed on the King County website as a missing person because there is no evidence of foul play at this time. We would assume that by now they would've received the results from fingerprint analysis and/or and other forensic evidence that may have suggested foul play. Also, we could also assume that financial and / or any other records were checked. Sightings? Probably checked and verified.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

So here we are left with the why?

Why would a handsome young man with 2 children and another on the way leave his family voluntarily supposedly without telling his wife? Or did he?

Why do we have this deafening silence from his family?

Why have there not been anymore searches in over a month?

Why does the wife continue to believe he was murdered and did not run off on them?

These are just a few.

Nicholas, if you did walk away, please please call someone to let them know you are safe. Seek legal advice if need be. Please think of your children. Remember they're only children. They don't understand and they don't deserve this.

Praying today is the day you will feel it in your heart to call someone. :rose:

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 07:37 AM

Good morning everyone!

N/T, you summed it up beautifully.

I guess now, we sit and wait.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 07:48 AM

Morning everyone

Reading posts from last night it looks like it has been confirmed there is no PI. So that throws out any possible security or ethical breach or any other problems posed with Publicis that would make him walk off from his job. IMO

AJandTam

03-19-2008, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning Everyone,

The fact remains that Nicholas is not listed on the King County website as a missing person because there is no evidence of foul play at this time. We would assume that by now they would've received the results from fingerprint analysis and/or and other forensic evidence that may have suggested foul play. Also, we could also assume that financial and / or any other records were checked. Sightings? Probably checked and verified.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

So here we are left with the why?

Why would a handsome young man with 2 children and another on the way leave his family voluntarily supposedly without telling his wife? Or did he?

Why do we have this deafening silence from his family?

Why have there not been anymore searches in over a month?

Why does the wife continue to believe he was murdered and did not run off on them?

These are just a few.

Nicholas, if you did walk away, please please call someone to let them know you are safe. Seek legal advice if need be. Please think of your children. Remember they're only children. They don't understand and they don't deserve this.

Praying today is the day you will feel it in your heart to call someone. :rose: [/*]

Good Morning n/t

Why O Why is right. Why leave on the 13th, a wednesday, after working half the week for a job/career you are going to just ditch. Why bother to battle the traffic on a wed morning, to and from work. Then ditch the car in Federal Way??? Why not just call from home. Claim you have an ER or a flat tire or whatever, and just head straight down to Federal Way, ditch the car and take off???

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Good Morning n/t

Why O Why is right. Why leave on the 13th, a wednesday, after working half the week for a job/career you are going to just ditch. Why bother to battle the traffic on a wed morning, to and from work. Then ditch the car in Federal Way??? Why not just call from home. Claim you have an ER or a flat tire or whatever, and just head straight down to Federal Way, ditch the car and take off??? [/*]

Good points.

Just when I convince myself that he left on his own, I think about all the other things that don't add up.

AJandTam

03-19-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Shelby1

Good points.

Just when I convince myself that he left on his own, I think about all the other things that don't add up. [/*]

Morning Shelby. Being right is not always what it's cracked up to be. This is one of those times. I'd love to be wrong, I just have a hard time believing Nick left on his own. Doesn't make sense to me w/what little bit we know. More things could come to light later that make it all fit, but for now. I'm not buying it.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Shelby1

Good points.

Just when I convince myself that he left on his own, I think about all the other things that don't add up. [/*]

same here Shelby - like a pendulum swing

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Morning Shelby. Being right is not always what it's cracked up to be. This is one of those times. I'd love to be wrong, I just have a hard time believing Nick left on his own. Doesn't make sense to me w/what little bit we know. More things could come to light later that make it all fit, but for now. I'm not buying it. [/*]

Good morning!

I hope he's safe and sound, too.

The thing that makes me lean towards him leaving on his own is the complete silence of his family and friends, now. But, all the other pieces don't fit in with that scenario, so *sigh*.

desmom

03-19-2008, 09:35 AM

I think it is easier for many of us to believe he walked because we don't want to believe he was injured due to foul play.

I really believe there is a lot more to the story. I would be interested in his activities 7-10 days before 2/13. I know they resigned from the church two days before he disappeared. What else?

Did he have any business appointments? Dr. appointments? Meet anyone new? Go out for dinner or to meet friends? Who did he talk to during that time? Did he have his car serviced? Did his spending habits change? Did he make any changes to insurance policies recently? Did he give away any prized possessions?

Has LE ran a credit report? Are there any new credit cards? New loans or application for loans?

jmo

decor

03-19-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by filesmanwife

I have lurking quit a while and I go back and forth between the the two ideas that he left and that something happened. When the posters started to work the SAHM angle and saying it was "not woking'. Let me clue you in on my and (many of my frieds situation) my dh met in college, I had all intents and purposes of being a career women and mom "having it all as they say. first child and 2 jobs transfers later - still working and happy..... Paying big bucks for day care - (at this point and time me and dh still earning same pay) 2nd child and another job transfer (we agreed that 1. I really couldn't further my career by continually quitting jobs everytime hubby transferred and most of my salary now would go to day care.. ff to 4 kids and more transfers, my hubby has more than doubled our salary when we started. In my taking care of homefront he has been able to focus on work... It has not been easy for either and was at first very hard financially (we lost 1/2 income). I also have a job at home which brings in $500 a month with little overhead (webconsultant).

I guess the point being is focusing on her being a sahm, takes away from look for nf.

It also concerns me that neither one of their families seems to be rallying around her. I know in that situation. My house would be full of people to help me and watch my kids while I pounded on every door I could..

I would also want to be pounding the pavement and getting his family involved because if that sob left me, he would be paying support. Pride is nothing compared to the welfare of my kids.....

jmho [/*]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel
Thanks Harlett....it is good to know that LE haven't just written Nick off. Just because LE hasn't found any sign of foul play doesn't really mean a thing. There are tons of missing people that LE didn't find any trace of foul play yet they have never shown up anywhere. Maybe some walked but I doubt that they all did. He is still missing...without a trace.

I'm just not into putting the blame on Christine in any way. Until LE has proof that she has done something wrong I will support her. I'm sure that she has been checked out in every way by LE. Isn't it the spouse that they look at first.

I have a hard time believing that Nick walked out on his family. It doesn't make sense that he would just leave his car parked somewhere. Why would he get rid of his car? Even if he knew that LE was looking for him and he got stopped he would only have to show them his license and say that he left on his own.

If he did walk out then in my book he isn't much of a man. He is a coward. A coward runs instead of doing it the right way. A man lets his wife know what is happening. He takes his belongings with him and doesn't leave them at home for her to deal with. A coward leaves his children without a backward glance. I agree with Christine. I don't think Nick is a coward. [/*]

BobbisAngel & filesmanwife

unfortunately your's were the last two posts but I thought they were excellent so I have quoted them here.

AJandTam

03-19-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Shelby1

Good morning!

I hope he's safe and sound, too.

The thing that makes me lean towards him leaving on his own is the complete silence of his family and friends, now. But, all the other pieces don't fit in with that scenario, so *sigh*. [/*]

In some cases, I think it can be sticky for families if babies are involved.

Shelby, I know in a few other cases, we've gotten word that the person ran off on there own. If Postie is on, she can remind us of the man in Alabama a few mos back who staged his own disappearance and left his wife of 38 years. It happens. In other cases, we never know what happened, only that the person is alive and well.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 10:06 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-spirafeb24,1,2626358.story

Here is an article about another missing man.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 10:10 AM

Harlett: Are you able to tell us, why the family is so quiet? Why there doesn't seem to be any activity with any of his friends, coworkers or family?

Thanks

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-spirafeb24,1,2626358.story

Here is an article about another missing man. [/*]

I was just on the TES website and I'm not sure what I can link over here. But if you go to missing, then found, there is a 26 year old man who disappeared much like NF did. A few weeks later he notified his family - it was described as a "meltdown". The guy just walked off.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by desmom
I think it is easier for many of us to believe he walked because we don't want to believe he was injured due to foul play.

I really believe there is a lot more to the story. I would be interested in his activities 7-10 days before 2/13. I know they resigned from the church two days before he disappeared. What else?

Did he have any business appointments? Dr. appointments? Meet anyone new? Go out for dinner or to meet friends? Who did he talk to during that time? Did he have his car serviced? Did his spending habits change? Did he make any changes to insurance policies recently? Did he give away any prized possessions?

Has LE ran a credit report? Are there any new credit cards? New loans or application for loans?

jmo [/*]

I think things like this need to be checked as well. It seems like these types of inquiries could help LE in determining whether it points more to foul play or walking away.

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Has anyone truly verified that Harlett speaks with CF? She will not give the exact details of how she knows for sure that Publicis did not hire a PI nor would she admit to actually speaking to CF- is that correct? So other than Harlett's words, I don't think that has truly been verified yet. It can probably be done with a few phone calls though. I'm not into vague details- but facts and justification of those facts. Otherwise it's just another member on a message board talking with the group and pondering the possibilities.

truecrimejunkie

03-19-2008, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by tulipmom
Has anyone truly verified that Harlett speaks with CF? She will not give the exact details of how she knows for sure that Publicis did not hire a PI nor would she admit to actually speaking to CF- is that correct? So other than Harlett's words, I don't think that has truly been verified yet. It can probably be done with a few phone calls though. I'm not into vague details- but facts and justification of those facts. Otherwise it's just another member on a message board talking with the group and pondering the possibilities. [/*]

You all are amazing - you question EVERYTHING - (did the reporter get it right, is Harlett who she claims to be, etc) EXCEPT your OWN OPINIONS - "Christine is High maintenance and responsible for this somehow"

I am so tired of reading you all slandering someone you don't know. I have a feeling you would be doing no better in her shoes!

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 10:39 AM

You are missing the point. I could say that I had spoken with CF or I could make another point about knowing that LE said this or that there was never a PI hired but without links or something credible to back it up, who would believe it? So just because someone posts it, why believe it? There are many oddities in this case. They all need to be picked apart and each part of the whole puzzle matters.

saydeezmom

03-19-2008, 10:54 AM

Last night I was thinking. Why would she take most all pics down except the one of her smiling directly at the photographer and the one of Zea turning 4?

Guilt! Just in case he walked. She know that if he checks it 1) he will see her face and know he did wrong 2) poor Zea was probably a daddy's girl and 3) no pics of Noah; leaving him to wonder and want to call/come home.

jmo

field of snow

03-19-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

You all are amazing - you question EVERYTHING - (did the reporter get it right, is Harlett who she claims to be, etc) EXCEPT your OWN OPINIONS - "Christine is High maintenance and responsible for this somehow"

I am so tired of reading you all slandering someone you don't know. I have a feeling you would be doing no better in her shoes! [/*]

I have a request. Is it possible for you to say something like: "I believe Christine is not that way and here is why: ________" and I will listen. The power of persuasion is to not argue and get nasty, but to share your side and opinion in a manner so that others may be more open to listening to what you have to say and maybe even change their minds. I honestly have to say I cannot begin to listen to those who come in here and do hit and runs every other day just yelling at everyone. You know what I mean? I say this with all due respect and to keep the board open and free to exchange ALL of our thoughts.

BTW, I think it's libel you were looking to use. Slander is spoken. As this place by definition is an opinion and ideas board and none of us know Christine or have the ability to know the truth (but lie about it), I think we're okay. CW will tell us though.

Also, and i'm not saying this is true in Harlett's case, as I think she has enough to back her up -- but it wouldn't be the first time on one of these crime boards for someone to come on and pretend or portray themselves as somebody they are not. I will admit that I wish there was a rule on this message board that if someone claims they are a licensed PI, that they use their real name and have their license details in their sig. I am on another board that has a requirement like this for professionals (it's not a crime board, however).

That's all. Have a good day and hopefully we can keep on chatting and giving opinions

truecrimejunkie

03-19-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by tulipmom
You are missing the point. I could say that I had spoken with CF or I could make another point about knowing that LE said this or that there was never a PI hired but without links or something credible to back it up, who would believe it? So just because someone posts it, why believe it? There are many oddities in this case. They all need to be picked apart and each part of the whole puzzle matters. [/*]

I made my OWN point

truecrimejunkie

03-19-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

I have a request. Is it possible for you to say something like: "I believe Christine is not that way and here is why: ________" and I will listen. The power of persuasion is to not argue and get nasty, but to share your side and opinion in a manner so that others may be more open to listening to what you have to say and maybe even change their minds. I honestly have to say I cannot begin to listen to those who come in here and do hit and runs every other day just yelling at everyone. You know what I mean? I say this with all due respect and to keep the board open and free to exchange ALL of our thoughts.

BTW, I think it's libel you were looking to use. Slander is spoken. As this place by definition is an opinion and ideas board and none of us know Christine or have the ability to know the truth (but lie about it), I think we're okay. CW will tell us though.

Also, and i'm not saying this is true in Harlett's case, as I think she has enough to back her up -- but it wouldn't be the first time on one of these crime boards for someone to come on and pretend or portray themselves as somebody they are not. I will admit that I wish there was a rule on this message board that if someone claims they are a licensed PI, that they use their real name and have their license details in their sig. I am on another board that has a requirement like this for professionals (it's not a crime board, however).

That's all. Have a good day and hopefully we can keep on chatting and giving opinions [/*]

Yes - when you all get on and have your "trash Christine" club - everything goes fine until someone with a different opinion speaks up.

mc528

03-19-2008, 11:19 AM

IMO, we should all remember to be sure to distinguish in all of our posts if something we are stating with regards to the curcumstaces on this case, or in our interpretation of other posts/posters, whether our words are facts or opinions. I believe, we have been reminded of that on a couple of occasions. IMO, these *rules* should apply, regardless of what theory of the events of NF's disappearace we ourselves subscribe to believing. Since this seems to have turned into a "For or Against CF" issue, which it really isn't at all (IMO), the same general guidelines should apply, regardless of which *side* we are on.

IMO, *Facts* should be stated as such, with the substantiation and/or corraborating evidence or source. And *opinions* should also be clearly identified as such. Everyone should keep in mind that all posters here are entitled to their opinions, even if we do not necessarily share them. If someone states an opinion, they should not be condemed or chastised for doing so. By the same token, if something is presented as a fact, it should be presenting with supporting information so that it can be confirmed by the audience.

From an on-line dictionary:

FACT
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/fact;_ylt=Ao.ebDjt_dMqCOGlE.C1gpqsgMMF
fact ?? (fkt) KEY ?

NOUN:

Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.

Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact

OPINION
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/opinion;_ylt=AqAzrO6UoSUYL.cwLi9D1T.sgMMF
o?pin?ion ?? (-pnyn) KEY ?

NOUN:

A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.
Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

All of the above is MOO

field of snow

03-19-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

Yes - when you all get on and have your "trash Christine" club - everything goes fine until someone with a different opinion speaks up. [/*]

But the problem is, your opinions are not about Christine, but about those who you consider are in the "Trash Christine Club". My point was to suggest sharing your opinion about the case and even CF and why she isn't the way some have an opinion of her. Instead of calling other board members names and having hissing fits...These are the attitudes that get everything riled up around here and supposive "sides" being taken.

I hope you can calm down and share.

huskiki

03-19-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by All4Nic
Yay, I finally was able to register! I've been reading all of the posts for the last few days and I think it's pretty cool that there are so many minds working together to solve this!

I wanted to throw this out there, because I do live in the Seattle area and it was on the news...

Mars Hill just opened a new location- they bought out an old night club after it was shut down due to violence. I guess members of the church have been working on the remodel for months and have found drug parafanailia (spelling?) and such.

Does anyone think he could have been helping with the remodel and someone upset that the club shut-down could have "targeted" him? It might be something, IMO.

Here's the link to the news story:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/355251_marshill17.html?source=mypi [/*]

Welcome aboard All4Nic :seeya:

Anything is possible at this point.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by All4Nic
Also, does anyone know if there is a link or special place to go to get copies of his missing persons flyer? I could post some down in the Tacoma-Olympia area. [/*]

Welcome :seeya:

I'm sure someone will come along that can tell you where to get some posters, and what a nice thing to do!

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 11:36 AM

mc528 said:

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if something is presented as a fact, it should be presenting with supporting information so that it can be confirmed by the audience.

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ABSOLUTELY!!!

mc528 said:

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If someone states an opinion, they should not be condemed or chastised for doing so.

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That's the way they do things over at the BIZ site, and is exactly why I came over here.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

But the problem is, your opinions are not about Christine, but about those who you consider are in the "Trash Christine Club". My point was to suggest sharing your opinion about the case and even CF and why she isn't the way some have an opinion of her. Instead of calling other board members names and having hissing fits...These are the attitudes that get everything riled up around here and supposive "sides" being taken.

I hope you can calm down and share. [/*]

Absolutely!!!

n/t

03-19-2008, 11:39 AM

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 11:39 AM

desmom

03-19-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by EG~Lives

Harlett is the cream of the crop. If she said she did... she did.

IMO

:read: [/*]

ITA! Harlett is one heck of an advocate for the missing.

isitme

03-19-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by All4Nic
Also, does anyone know if there is a link or special place to go to get copies of his missing persons flyer? I could post some down in the Tacoma-Olympia area. [/*]

Here is one that can be downloaded. There may be others out there. This is one that was quickest for me to find.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/reward-increased-to-15000.html

decor

03-19-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by All4Nic
Also, does anyone know if there is a link or special place to go to get copies of his missing persons flyer? I could post some down in the Tacoma-Olympia area. [/*]

also contact Harlett as she was looking for volunteers in your area and I think you are the only one that has said they were willing to help.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by decor

also contact Harlett as she was looking for volunteers in your area and I think you are the only one that has said they were willing to help. [/*]

I contacted Harlett quite awhile ago, to tell her my sons would help, but never heard back from her.

isitme

03-19-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by All4Nic

This one will work, the one from his website doesn't have the large "missing" at the top like this one. I think it will catch more eyes! Thank you. [/*]

Your welcome. And thanks for doing whatever you can to help find him.

filesmanwife

03-19-2008, 12:00 PM

I have debating whether to post this. It has been mentioned that his car was parked in proximity to a park. In one of the areas we lived in there was a park which was nortorius for being a "hook-up" sight for married gay men. could it be that this park was one of those parks and nick went there and either.

1. met with someone who harmed him

2. met with someone with whom he ran off with??

it is very curious the case of the other man who disappeared at the same time as nf.

I wish his family would speak on the subject. To me their silence is very curious....

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:02 PM

Mornin' all!

I was catching up with yesterday's thread and noticed this link being bandied about again-

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895

Since it's been over a month and this site STILL hasn’t been updated with a photo or description of clothing, location of where he was last seen either and wondered why NF's family haven't tried to correct that, or others that are in the "industry" (if you will) of listing and finding missing people?

(granted, I had to notify my local FBI twice to say please update your site that the child's remains { Heaven LaShae Ross} had finally been recovered, as they still had her listed as missing)

Since most postings on family and friends of NF/CF blogs/mbs/ et al have stopped cold since last month other than "we're still praying for you" type posts and from reading some posts last night it really does seem he may have walked away.

I do recall reading somewhere that when CF was asked if her hubby had a passport, she wasn't certain.

Anyone know if they had any friends/business dealings with anyone in Canada?

If he indeed walked, IMO he must've thought his wife as a stable enough person to continue to provide a healthy environment for their safety and wellbeing.

decor

03-19-2008, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

I contacted Harlett quite awhile ago, to tell her my sons would help, but never heard back from her. [/*]

maybe she wanted to hear from your sons who be the ones volunteering. I would think it would be a little difficult to have to go thru you to communicate with them since they are there and you are on this side of the country.

huskiki

03-19-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by filesmanwife
I have debating whether to post this. It has been mentioned that his car was parked in proximity to a park. In one of the areas we lived in there was a park which was nortorius for being a "hook-up" sight for married gay men. could it be that this park was one of those parks and nick went there and either.

1. met with someone who harmed him

2. met with someone with whom he ran off with??

it is very curious the case of the other man who disappeared at the same time as nf.

I wish his family would speak on the subject. To me their silence is very curious.... [/*]

That is a very good possiblity, especially if he met someone online and decided to meet up.

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 12:11 PM

I think most cities must have a park known for this!

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by filesmanwife
<snip>

it is very curious the case of the other man who disappeared at the same time as nf.

Refresh my memory of the other man that is missing- is he also from that area?

filesmanwife

03-19-2008, 12:18 PM

In my search for the name and story of man who went missing same time as nf. I came across this..

http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html

Wow it seems interesting that when I googled "seattle man missing" I get loads of hits with different names.

Has this been brought up and does anyone else find it interesting?

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 12:25 PM

"According to LE they are still looking for Nicholas, the case is not over. They have not been able to determine if his missing is due to foul play or other circumstances. The case will remain open for as long as it takes. "

Harlett--in your honest opinion--are they ACTIVELY looking for Nicholas?

I'm not getting the impression ANYONE is, and that makes me sick. I thought at least there was a P.I. taking up some of the slack, but there's not, and the family KNEW that!!

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

His name is Fale Viliamu and disappeared on Feb 14. His wife works at Costco where Nicolas was to stop to pick up sugar.

Oh right thanks! Yet another case where it's gotten more chatter on blogs than on news sites. Wow, didn't know the connection tho the Francisco family being customers at the same location the wife worked at.

Any word if the couples knew of each other?

Seems this is another one that LE believe just walked away.

From internet searches it doesn't appear that he has the same interest by others doing searches or putting up missing posters.

:(

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

The pictures are very interesting to me.
Imo – having the pictures up of her daughter do not fit into the theory that Christine feels that Nicolas has been murdered or met with foul play. I am not trying to place blame or judge Christine & yes it has been said many times that we do not know her/what she is going through etc.. but throw the idea out there logically. Am I very far off in thinking that wanting to protect my children would be a very high priority given the circumstances? (imo) [/*]

ITA -- If my husband was missing and I had no knowledge of if he met with foul play or just walked away, I would not have any pictures posted anywhere of my children for fear of their safety. (JMO)

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by tulipmom
Has anyone truly verified that Harlett speaks with CF? She will not give the exact details of how she knows for sure that Publicis did not hire a PI nor would she admit to actually speaking to CF- is that correct? So other than Harlett's words, I don't think that has truly been verified yet. It can probably be done with a few phone calls though. I'm not into vague details- but facts and justification of those facts. Otherwise it's just another member on a message board talking with the group and pondering the possibilities. [/*]

It's very easy to verify, you can always send Christine a message and ask her. I do believe I have admitted several times that I talk to her. I have said we are working with her to help find Nicholas.. it would be hard to work with her and not talk to her dontcha think

You are right about one thing, I will not give exact details about information.. it would be unethical on my part. If you don't want to believe the information I give that is fine.. it's your right. When we see some information being put out we have the right to say 'hey, that's not quite what it is'

huskiki

03-19-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

Oh right thanks! Yet another case where it's gotten more chatter on blogs than on news sites. Wow, didn't know the connection tho the Francisco family being customers at the same location the wife worked at.

Any word if the couples knew of each other?

Seems this is another one that LE believe just walked away.

From internet searches it doesn't appear that he has the same interest by others doing searches or putting up missing posters.

:( [/*]

She is keeping this a private matter and neither she nor her husband knew the Francisco's.

desmom

03-19-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by filesmanwife
In my search for the name and story of man who went missing same time as nf. I came across this..

http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html

Wow it seems interesting that when I googled "seattle man missing" I get loads of hits with different names.

Has this been brought up and does anyone else find it interesting? [/*]

Thanks for the link.

I did a little research on the young man. There were rumors that he died of head and truama injury. Two weeks later, the medical examiner's office stated he did not die of physical truama and were awaiting toxicology reports. I could not find any news reports re the tox reports.

jmo

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

<snipped for space>

I actually emailed (through MySpace) Viliamu Fale's wife. I was pretty direct in asking her to tell me if she thought the two cases were related. I'm not saying this is *the truth* but this is what she *told* me, exactly:

"Trust me when I say that "I KNOW NOTHING!" You are not the first to inquire where my husband is. There have been so many and I have answered so many questions. My situation is very different from the Nicholas's. I have no idea how my information got out when all I did was file a police report. I would appreciate if everyone would please stop asking me questions. This is a very hard time in my life. My situation is private for now to both our families which is why I have not alerted the media. And these personal and private reasons have nothing to do with Nicholas Francisco.

Was posting and didn't see that this does answer some questions on if they knew each other.

But this is curious as to how it's "different" than her missing spouse, it seems then she and their families know Fale is not hurt or deceased and apparently have proof that he is alive?

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 12:34 PM

You would also probably change your locks- correct? As most of us would if our spouse vanished and his keys vanished with him and those keys had our house key on it. Unless you knew who had the keys.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

I contacted Harlett quite awhile ago, to tell her my sons would help, but never heard back from her. [/*]

dianaelaine, I'm sorry.. did you pm me or contact me at my site? I did not get a message from you so can you contact me again....

The main thing we need right now is people to put flyers wherever they can.. especially in the FederalWay area. We think someone there has information...

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.c...d-to-15000.html

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

His name is Fale Viliamu and disappeared on Feb 14. His wife works at Costco where Nicolas was to stop to pick up sugar. [/*]

name is Viliamu Fale.. no connection to Nicholas' disappearance...

desmom

03-19-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

..... at least none that is known of. [/*]

I pmed you. :biggrin:

soyesterday

03-19-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Morning Shelby. Being right is not always what it's cracked up to be. This is one of those times. I'd love to be wrong, I just have a hard time believing Nick left on his own. Doesn't make sense to me w/what little bit we know. More things could come to light later that make it all fit, but for now. I'm not buying it. [/*]

I agree w/ you.
I came up w/ some theories that could have happened if he left, but i don't really think he did.
I think he could have been thinking about it and they could have been talking about it.
But i'm not sure he actually did it.
I think something happened to him before he did try to leave or divorce CF.
Whether or not, it had to do w/ her or not, i'm not sure either.
There are too many unanswered questions for us.

n/t

03-19-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

ITA -- If my husband was missing and I had no knowledge of if he met with foul play or just walked away, I would not have any pictures posted anywhere of my children for fear of their safety. (JMO) [/*]

Just common sense. And have locks changed.

n/t

03-19-2008, 12:48 PM

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by filesmanwife
In my search for the name and story of man who went missing same time as nf. I came across this..

http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html

Wow it seems interesting that when I googled "seattle man missing" I get loads of hits with different names.

Has this been brought up and does anyone else find it interesting?

It can be confusing if it's not listed as recent dates, as this poor fella's body was recovered a year ago when he went missing.

(I'm having probs with my internet connection so I can't reply as quickly as I'd like)

saydeezmom

03-19-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

I actually emailed (through MySpace) Viliamu Fale's wife. I was pretty direct in asking her to tell me if she thought the two cases were related. I'm not saying this is *the truth* but this is what she *told* me, exactly:

"Trust me when I say that "I KNOW NOTHING!" You are not the first to inquire where my husband is. There have been so many and I have answered so many questions. My situation is very different from the Nicholas's. I have no idea how my information got out when all I did was file a police report. I would appreciate if everyone would please stop asking me questions. This is a very hard time in my life. My situation is private for now to both our families which is why I have not alerted the media. And these personal and private reasons have nothing to do with Nicholas Francisco.

I pray that Nicholas is found for the sake of his family. If I had one single clue that my husbands disappearance would tie in with Nicholas's disappearance, trust that I would definitely let the police know. However, I know that they are not for reasons that again, are private. If I wanted this exposed in the media I would have but since I have not I would appreciate if everyone could please respect my privacy with this situation.

I have no idea why my husband would be discussed in such a horrible way when he's missing or why all of a sudden I am considered a bad person. My friends and everyone on my friends list privacy is being toyed with because of this situation that has nothing to do with Nicholas.

Well I wish you all well and pray that Nicholas is found. God Bless all of you and especially the Francisco

By the way I never went to any Art Institute school and I dont know and never met Christine. " [/*]

O/T: what would be the big deal in telling what happened with her husband. he left her for another woman? doubt it! he left her for another man? sounds more like it.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by n/t

No? Really? [/*]

No and Really :shrug:

desmom

03-19-2008, 12:58 PM

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11399863#post11399863

Originally posted by All4Nic
*Fact* The locks were changed!!! [/*]

Thanks

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

At the bottom of Fale's missing person's report was a phone number and it said something like- to request a photo call this number- so I did.

The woman that answered told me that all that they knew was that he was "apparently headed to Alaska to see his mother." She said that it's not technically a crime for an adult to leave, unless foul play is determined/suspected.

I don't know what Viliamu's wife meant by "different" but I'm assuming she might also think he's on his way to Alaska but since he hasn't been found, he's still "missing." :shrug:

Oh my...well I know it's considered verboten to discuss other cases - this scenario just rings of what LE and the Marine Corps told Maria Lauterbach's family as well, they *thought* she was headed to Ohio to visit them and we all know how that ended.

I do hope that Fale's mother will hear/see her son soon and that his wife can have the info to be definite as to his well-being.

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

dianaelaine, I'm sorry.. did you pm me or contact me at my site? I did not get a message from you so can you contact me again....

The main thing we need right now is people to put flyers wherever they can.. especially in the FederalWay area. We think someone there has information...

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.c...d-to-15000.html

This link is broken for me, so I pulled up a different one that I can view

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/missing-nicholas-francisco.html

Since the car has been recovered, does your group plan to change the posters with only photos of him on there, or do you feel that the vehicle will help to jog people's memory from a month ago as to where else they might've seen it in the 5 days or so before it was found?

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 01:03 PM

Wow, first time I've seen that the locks were changed and we have discussed this in depth at times. How do you know this all4nic?

soyesterday

03-19-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

Yes - when you all get on and have your "trash Christine" club - everything goes fine until someone with a different opinion speaks up. [/*]

I have a question.
Do you go on the boards where wives are missing and the husbands look suspicioius and get all over their case for doubting the husbands?
Just wonderin......
why should it be different????

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

This link is broken for me, so I pulled up a different one that I can view

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/missing-nicholas-francisco.html

Since the car has been recovered, does your group plan to change the posters with only photos of him on there, or do you feel that the vehicle will help to jog people's memory from a month ago as to where else they might've seen it in the 5 days or so before it was found? [/*]

The vehicle needs to be left on in case someone remembers seeing it somewhere else.

n/t

03-19-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

No and Really :shrug: [/*]

I guess I'm just surprised the obvious hasn't been done yet. We've been saying where to search and put flyers up for weeks now.

Federal way is where his car was found, right? Isn't that the most logical place to put flyers up?

No need to answer. Like I said I'm just surprised that it hadn't already been done.

desmom

03-19-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

The vehicle needs to be left on in case someone remembers seeing it somewhere else. [/*]

My husband has a close cut beard. When he decides to shave it off, a lot of people do not recognize him at first. Since NF has been gone 5 weeks, he may have grown a moustache or beard to alter his appearance.

Has the family considered adding a photo of NF with facial hair?

TIA

ETA ~ All4Nic check your pms. TIA

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 01:17 PM

and I'm not sure the answer has been posted yet. But Harlett if you are speaking directly with CF, can you state why NF's mom & sisters and other family have grown silent? Why media dropped the case? Nancy & Greta never drop cases unless they have very good reasons. They also both know you can't force an adult to be found.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I guess I'm just surprised the obvious hasn't been done yet. We've been saying where to search and put flyers up for weeks now.

Federal way is where his car was found, right? Isn't that the most logical place to put flyers up?

No need to answer. Like I said I'm just surprised that it hadn't already been done. [/*]

n/t it has been done, but for one reason or another flyers get taken down. They need to be put up again... and yes, that is the most logical place for them.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

Anyone can say they are anything on this board and no one would be the wiser. If they aren't stopped and questioned it goes unchecked.

BTW, I'm a Psychic Medium who solves missing person cases worldwide. :lol: [/*]

Hartlett has proven herself time and again.

What is funny to me is that all these new posters are coming on and not researching ones that have been here for a long time and then stating that they aren't who they say they are. I know.. cause I was accused of being Christine as well. Do your research people.. many of us have hundreds and hundreds of posts that you can go through and read.

All4Nic.. do you know Christine or Nicholas?

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

The vehicle needs to be left on in case someone remembers seeing it somewhere else.

Thanks, that makes sense but I'd think it'd be hard for the average person to recall a particular vehicle from over a month ago, unless there was something to draw their interest to it.

(like yesterday, my dad & noticed a huge parking lot light that had fallen on a woman's van, the metal pole at the base looked like it'd had just disingrated...but in a month, I might not recall the color of the lady's van)

Was wondering if you were working closely with another family of a missing person that may need the public's attention to their family member that hasn't had as much support from their local or online or church community as Christine has?

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by desmom

My husband has a close cut beard. When he decides to shave it off, a lot of people do not recognize him at first. Since NF has been gone 5 weeks, he may have grown a moustache or beard to alter his appearance.

Has the family considered adding a photo of NF with facial hair?

<snip>

I did that in another case and put it in the links thread, I photoshopped Cesar Laurean (wanted by the FBI) and added different facial hair looks and also different lengths of hair on his head, I didn't do a bald one tho, as IMO he sorta had a chameleon look about him.

I don't see why it couldn't easily be done for Nicholas as well, imo.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by tulipmom
and I'm not sure the answer has been posted yet. But Harlett if you are speaking directly with CF, can you state why NF's mom & sisters and other family have grown silent? Why media dropped the case? Nancy & Greta never drop cases unless they have very good reasons. They also both know you can't force an adult to be found. [/*]

1.... the family does not want to be attacked the way Christine has been.

2... it is normal for the media to not stay on top of a missing person case when there is no new information to report. When there is information they will report it. I can give you name after name of persons that went missing and had one little blurb in a paper about them.

3... How many shows have you seen Greta and Nancy do where they report a missing person just one time and that's it. Actually quite a few.. one case was a missing mother of 7, she got a whole 10 minutes and that was the end of it. So this is nothing new either..

huskiki

03-19-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

n/t it has been done, but for one reason or another flyers get taken down. They need to be put up again... and yes, that is the most logical place for them. [/*]

I will never understand why posters for missing people are taken down. It's hard enough to get them up in most places, chain stores won't hang them. Then you post them in public places and they're taken down within days, sometimes hours. Not referring to you directly, in general when people hang posters. It's frustrating. :flamemad:

tulipmom

03-19-2008, 01:30 PM

where they drop it like this. The ones they have done this to, have underlying reasons. Also many people have emailed them to ask why and they have not answered. They would love to keep on top of something like this if for no other reason than intrigue. But as for the family, I understand yet a very high percentage of families would be out in the media making pleas so Nicholas could at least hear them. Yet they have not. I do hope that CF is being honest with you Harlett. As well as NF's family if you have definitely spoken with them too.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

1.... the family does not want to be attacked the way Christine has been.

2... it is normal for the media to not stay on top of a missing person case when there is no new information to report. When there is information they will report it. I can give you name after name of persons that went missing and had one little blurb in a paper about them.

3... How many shows have you seen Greta and Nancy do where they report a missing person just one time and that's it. Actually quite a few.. one case was a missing mother of 7, she got a whole 10 minutes and that was the end of it. So this is nothing new either.. [/*]

ITA there are many.. many cases were Greta nor Nancy give it any airtime.

I would bet if everyone showed up on Gretawire and started talking about Nicholas' disappearance.. then she would report on it. She and Nancy go where the ratings go. IMO I have seen it several times with missing person cases. Some create a media stir and some do not. All you have to do it is check the ones listed on this site... most you will have not heard about except maybe through local media. Even children.. I have never seen Greta or Nancy do a story about Reachelle Smith and she was only 3 years old when she went missing. There are too many to count that get the same media response.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

Thanks, that makes sense but I'd think it'd be hard for the average person to recall a particular vehicle from over a month ago, unless there was something to draw their interest to it.

(like yesterday, my dad & noticed a huge parking lot light that had fallen on a woman's van, the metal pole at the base looked like it'd had just disingrated...but in a month, I might not recall the color of the lady's van)

Was wondering if you were working closely with another family of a missing person that may need the public's attention to their family member that hasn't had as much support from their local or online or church community as Christine has? [/*]

We did a lot of work on Naomi Arnette's case.. Grande is my partner and he is the one that got the information that put Naomi's husband in jail waiting trial for her murder. We are working on another case now where we have the prime suspect posting on board with us. I think we will have some results from this case shortly.

We have quite a few that we are working on that have received very little attention from media and from LE.

carterkatt

03-19-2008, 01:33 PM

I wonder if NF CAN even grow a beard, etc. You know how some men can't?

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

1.... the family does not want to be attacked the way Christine has been.

2... it is normal for the media to not stay on top of a missing person case when there is no new information to report. When there is information they will report it. I can give you name after name of persons that went missing and had one little blurb in a paper about them.

3... How many shows have you seen Greta and Nancy do where they report a missing person just one time and that's it. Actually quite a few.. one case was a missing mother of 7, she got a whole 10 minutes and that was the end of it. So this is nothing new either..

Any plans for billboards to be put up in the area?

Plans to have posters/banners made to put on the sides of 18 wheelers?

I have a friend whose hub is a LD truck driver, I can find out if it would be allowed to be applied to his truck.

(I've asked her before about fliers being put up at truckstops)

I guess the attention of the media is a fine-edged sword...I'd think there are families that would welcome any and all media reporting and be willing to be interviewed to keep their loved one's story in the forefront and then those that have had it backfire on them.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

I knew Christine in school and have recently offered my support to her. [/*]

No offense intended by this at all but then I have to wonder what your intentions are posting here?

What do you think happened?

Have you offered support to get info so that you can share it here?

Have you offered support and came here so that the truth is being told?

Does she know that you are posting here?

Only asking to clarify.
TIA

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

Any plans for billboards to be put up in the area?

Plans to have posters/banners made to put on the sides of 18 wheelers?

I have a friend whose hub is a LD truck driver, I can find out if it would be allowed to be applied to his truck.

(I've asked her before about fliers being put up at truckstops)

I guess the attention of the media is a fine-edged sword...I'd think there are families that would welcome any and all media reporting and be willing to be interviewed to keep their loved one's story in the forefront and then those that have had it backfire on them. [/*]

Absolutely - I'm thankful that people like Ed Smart, Beth Holloway, and the Akers fought the good fight to get some kind of answers. I'm also impressed with the Garza family contacting TES and having them come in to look for their son.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by tulipmom
where they drop it like this. The ones they have done this to, have underlying reasons. Also many people have emailed them to ask why and they have not answered. They would love to keep on top of something like this if for no other reason than intrigue. But as for the family, I understand yet a very high percentage of families would be out in the media making pleas so Nicholas could at least hear them. Yet they have not. I do hope that CF is being honest with you Harlett. As well as NF's family if you have definitely spoken with them too. [/*]

Where is the intrigue other than on the crime boards...When you look at it as a whole you have a handful of posters that are keeping the story alive here and at a few other boards... there is no new information or nothing sensational about this case as far as they can see.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 01:39 PM

http://www.pantherlake.net/

Is this the lake that is close to where the car was found?

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://www.pantherlake.net/

Is this the lake that is close to where the car was found? [/*]
No.. that is in Snohomish.. not Federal Way.

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

We did a lot of work on Naomi Arnette's case.. Grande is my partner and he is the one that got the information that put Naomi's husband in jail waiting trial for her murder. We are working on another case now where we have the prime suspect posting on board with us. I think we will have some results from this case shortly.

We have quite a few that we are working on that have received very little attention from media and from LE.

Wonderful news, I do recall the mom of seven's case here and her spouse posting on this board along with other family members posting.

That may be more common than we know, that the POI are in fact following online and posting about the very people they had a hand in their disappearance.

Best of luck in your endeavors on bringing Nicholas home to his wife and children!

:beer:

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

Any plans for billboards to be put up in the area?

Plans to have posters/banners made to put on the sides of 18 wheelers?

I have a friend whose hub is a LD truck driver, I can find out if it would be allowed to be applied to his truck.

(I've asked her before about fliers being put up at truckstops)

I guess the attention of the media is a fine-edged sword...I'd think there are families that would welcome any and all media reporting and be willing to be interviewed to keep their loved one's story in the forefront and then those that have had it backfire on them. [/*]

Yes, we have been working to get billboards, park benches, mass transit advertising. It's very expensive and we are hoping some will donate space for Nicholas.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

No.. that is in Snohomish.. not Federal Way. [/*]

Ah. Ok. Thanks.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

And that is why I feel it is important for anyone who is friends with Christine or with Nicholas, to talk about it.

It does no good to have information and not say something!!! Obviously some people in here are professionals and could really help find Nicholas!

Don't just think, act! Call people, email people, get some answers and put them out here. Please!!!

I email the news stations EVERY day and pressure them to run a story. No new info= no air time!!!!!!!!! [/*]

I totally agree. Nice to know I am not the only one sending emails daily. Have become quite fond of the person that answers for KING5. Nobody else ever responds tho.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 01:49 PM

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by All4Nic

I could care less if she know's I'm posting here. I have nothing "bad" to say. Isn't the purpose to FIND NICHOLAS???

I was apparently the only one told she had changed the locks- don't you think that's something worth adding to this discussion? Who are you? [/*]

Seems like the logical thing to do in this instance. Her husband is missing and so are his keys to their home. Not sure what it adds other than maybe that she doesn't know what happened to him if she is doing that sort of thing. Could be twisted another way too tho.

And.. I am a concerned citizen and know one of Nicholas' friends.

You could care less if she knows you are posting here? You know that she does not want any information being given to most of the people on this board.. right? Since it has been twisted and turned to make her look bad. She has gone as far as to say she would talk about the case with anyone not associated with this site.

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Yes, we have been working to get billboards, park benches, mass transit advertising. It's very expensive and we are hoping some will donate space for Nicholas.

Some of the cases I've put threads up on missing persons have been able to get the billboards donated within a week of their disappearance, just depends on the connections the family has as well.

That's why it's imperative for families of missing people to be aware of all the available help out there from the Klaas Foundation to NCFMA but most people with access to the internet can find so many of the organizations online to seek out the resources available to them.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 01:55 PM

http://tinyurl.com/2bbjfl

Ok, this is the Panther Lake then?

On Google earth it looks bigger than I thought it was.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://tinyurl.com/2bbjfl

Ok, this is the Panther Lake then?

On Google earth it looks bigger than I thought it was. [/*]

I think that is it Shelby.

I don't think the lake is that big... the park seems to be large but the lake itself didn't look that substantial. I was trying to see it on mapquest yesterday and didn't look anything like other lakes.

From your picture it looks like the park is large but the lake is the little blue park in the middle?

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

Some of the cases I've put threads up on missing persons have been able to get the billboards donated within a week of their disappearance, just depends on the connections the family has as well.

That's why it's imperative for families of missing people to be aware of all the available help out there from the Klaas Foundation to NCFMA but most people with access to the internet can find so many of the organizations online to seek out the resources available to them. [/*]

I wish the family would put aside their feeling that they would be "attacked like Christina" and take steps such as this to find Nicholas.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would put up with being raked over the coals over and over in order to find a loved one that was missing.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Has anyone thought this through? It could have been as simple as this.

Nicholas could have made it to Costco's and met Viliamu in the parking lot by chance. He might have known him or not before that meeting.

Viliamu could have told him that he was thinking of leaving to go home to Alaska to find work and see his family.

Nicholas on the spur of the moment could have asked, "can I come along?" and Viliamu said yes, we can split expenses and they then both left town together.

Why they left town is not an issue in this theory. [/*]
Beth Engleman.. I saw the post earlier where someone said something about calling about VF and them saying he was going to Alaska.. I nearly fell out of my chair. Could it be the Alaska thing was connected to him instead of Nicholas, that you saw?

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I think that is it Shelby.

I don't think the lake is that big... the park seems to be large but the lake itself didn't look that substantial. I was trying to see it on mapquest yesterday and didn't look anything like other lakes.

From your picture it looks like the park is large but the lake is the little blue park in the middle? [/*]

That's the way I see it. I zeroed in on it using my Google earth and it looks bigger there for some reason.

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 02:03 PM

NF was reported gone on 2/13 and VF reported gone on 2/14.

If VF ever makes it to Alaska, hopefully LE can then ask if he ever spoke to or had any association even if by chance with NF.

It's unknown if any activity has since been reported on VF's accounts since the wife appears to want to stay mum on his disappearance/runaway ??? situation.

imo

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 02:03 PM

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Is that a man made lake? How deep is it? [/*]

I don't know.

Thought about driving down there.. just so I can see what type of lake it is. It just doesn't look that big but the park seems pretty large.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I don't know.

Thought about driving down there.. just so I can see what type of lake it is. It just doesn't look that big but the park seems pretty large. [/*]

The lake is kind of oblong shaped and it has a LOT of trees around it. The park looks very dense with trees. I can see a few little paths through the trees, but it's mostly trees.

Shelby1

03-19-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Envision
This may sound gross but at this point, if he was in that lake, his body would have floated to the top and most likely been found already. [/*]

When I look at it on Google earth, it doesn't look like the kind of park that would be heavily visited :shrug: I don't know.

Or, he could be weighted down with something.

Just thinking off the cuff, here.

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I can't imagine a family not actively looking or speaking out for their missing son based on some idea they might be "attacked". To me that's ludicrous. [/*]

Things are not always as they appear... just because you don't see his family in the news does not mean they are not doing anything to find him. No one ever said they weren't actively looking for Nicholas.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Envision
This may sound gross but at this point, if he was in that lake, his body would have floated to the top and most likely been found already. [/*]

Yeah.. I thought that too. Unless is has alot of undergrowth.. which lakes around here tend to get.. especially the smaller ones that dont have alot of water flow. You get those thick lilly pads that seem to take over a lake.

That park is big tho and like Shelby said.. it looks pretty dense. I wonder if it was THOROUGHLY searched. I know they went through it but I didn't realize it wasn't just a regular park.

desmom

03-19-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Envision
This may sound gross but at this point, if he was in that lake, his body would have floated to the top and most likely been found already. [/*]

Maybe. There are a lot of factors on when a victim will surface.

jmo

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Yes, we have been working to get billboards, park benches, mass transit advertising. It's very expensive and we are hoping some will donate space for Nicholas. [/*]

If you aren't already, work through the media buyers (that's the job title) at Publicis. The ad-space owners will HAP-pily donate to them, because that is who gives them their business.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I can't imagine a family not actively looking or speaking out for their missing son based on some idea they might be "attacked". To me that's ludicrous. [/*]

Actually I think it is sad - very sad. NF could be walking around with a head injury not knowing who he is; he could be being mistreated every day by a captor; or he could be dead floating in the lake.

For Nicholas - may you find your way home on your own
:rose:

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Shelby1

I wish the family would put aside their feeling that they would be "attacked like Christina" and take steps such as this to find Nicholas.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I would put up with being raked over the coals over and over in order to find a loved one that was missing.

You know the lake still seems like a very valid place to search if indeed the LE and family still consider him missing ....guess it's not been upgraded to endangered. However, even with a walk-away that doesn't mean he didn't meet up with foul play or act of Nature.

This poor man was finally found 4 blocks away from his home - he AND his vehicle were submerged and he was missing 2 years.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=254399

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/15622442/detail.html

I understand Shelby, as each of us has our own fortitude when things happen that may not be what others do, I know the lengths and breadths I went to when my dogs were missing and then when my dad was missing for 2 hours.

Praying that Nicholas is safe and healthy and if he doesn't want to come forward, that someone he has befriended will and do the right thing and notify the King County Sheriff’s Office tip line: 206-296-3311 or even the reporter that has done some coverage of this at the Seattle Times - Jennifer Sullivan
jensullivan@seattletimes.com or any of your local news media.

imo

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Beth

I for one, applaud what you're doing and yes, it is about finding Nicholas. Whoever it is that said they'd be raked over the coals as long as it brought their loved one home, surmised it beautifully (in my opionion.). Who the heck cares what people say about me? Just help me bring my missing husband home so that my children can "have a daddy".

Unless of course I were hiding something and wanted it all to go away now. That would be quite a different story. JMOO [/*]

I agree - somehow this has gotten to be about Christine's feelings rather than the plight of a missing man.

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Envision
This may sound gross but at this point, if he was in that lake, his body would have floated to the top and most likely been found already. [/*]

Has anyone been back there lately to check?

huskiki

03-19-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I agree - somehow this has gotten to be about Christine's feelings rather than the plight of a missing man. [/*]

:beer:

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I agree - somehow this has gotten to be about Christine's feelings rather than the plight of a missing man.

I've never really seen anything like this before myself but I've tried to keep up with info that helps inform the public of the missing person until there is some resolution of either recovery or contact.

It's hard in many cases when there are no legit news sources to find updates for and sometimes missing persons threads do get deleted.

I also find it odd that in the missing posters and the family/friends sites set up and on the You Tube (which is still up despite other reports that it wasn't) why is the only contact # given is 911???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIudFJWUvNI

IMO there should be local LE #'s listed, county, state and then one set up for anonymous tips.

But since the wife is being guided/helped by people that have helped with other missing person cases, I guess they'd know best on the ways to get the info out there and what contact info to use.

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by frznwsalt

If you aren't already, work through the media buyers (that's the job title) at Publicis. The ad-space owners will HAP-pily donate to them, because that is who gives them their business. [/*]

What a great idea to pass along!

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

:beer:

I've never been a fan of the perpetuate-the-hate (my term for some) off- shoot sites that crop up when some cases catch on like wildfire but I'm not keen on mollycoddling either.

imo

desmom

03-19-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I agree - somehow this has gotten to be about Christine's feelings rather than the plight of a missing man. [/*]

ITA!

So much about this entire investigation does not make any sense.

mc528

03-19-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by desmom

ITA!

So much about this entire investigation does not make any sense. [/*]

ITA.
But, IMO, some of it does make perfect sense, but definitely frustrating.

huskiki

03-19-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

I've never been a fan of the perpetuate-the-hate (my term for some) off- shoot sites that crop up when some cases catch on like wildfire but I'm not keen on mollycoddling either.

imo [/*]

I really think it's come to a dead end. Nicholas is missing, he's not listed as missing, nobody is speaking for him, no one is looking for him, LE doesn't appear to be looking at Lake Panther and they had the attention of national press and now it's gone. What more is there to do?

Christine appears to be spending a lot of her time defending herself which, IMO JMO MOO, shouldn't be her concern right now. Who cares what people think of her, Nicholas is what matters here.

And what if he doesn't want to be found? If that's the case then I'm sure he has it all planned out.

This is a very strange case.

soyesterday

03-19-2008, 03:18 PM

decor

03-19-2008, 03:27 PM

Postergeist

03-19-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I really think it's come to a dead end. Nicholas is missing, he's not listed as missing, nobody is speaking for him, no one is looking for him, LE doesn't appear to be looking at Lake Panther and they had the attention of national press and now it's gone. What more is there to do?

Christine appears to be spending a lot of her time defending herself which, IMO JMO MOO, shouldn't be her concern right now. Who cares what people think of her, Nicholas is what matters here.

And what if he doesn't want to be found? If that's the case then I'm sure he has it all planned out.

This is a very strange case.

I agree this is a strange case as well and that for all intents and purposes it has come to a dead end, however, we do know that what Harlett has posted she is actively working with Christine on this case and in the search for locating/finding Nicholas.

I did get a chance to check her own board about NF, and it doesn't have the interest/posts of their members like on WS and IS, but she is actively posting here about the case.

Maybe this is the rare case that strength in numbers aren't needed or warranted as it seems there are those close to this that are no longer specifically seeking the help of every day people.

(by that I mean in active searches, I'm staying out of the $ aspect and donation requests)

I've got some things to do, at some point maybe our board will get the memo (that others seem to have gotten) that this is no longer an unsolved missing persons case. imo

:seeya:

soyesterday

03-19-2008, 03:29 PM

OK, so i was googling stuff again about nicholas....
and i saw this link...
i know it is of a different missing man...
and i know it was like in may of last year i think....
but this happened in the same neighborhood that nicholas went missing from (I think).
I'm not from there, so i might be confused.
Also, this man was planning on going to Alaska too.
He hasn't been heard from since either.
Is this weird????
http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html

huskiki

03-19-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

If Nicholas doesn't want to be found, i think he should just let someone know that he is ok and does NOT want to be found.
I just don't think he's ok......:( [/*]

I agree 100%. IF he left then he sould have the decency to contact someone, anyone, to let them know that he's ok. IF he's not ok and turns up dead, in that lake, then someone has some explaining to do. We don't know what LE is doing or not doing about Christine's feeling on the lake. But if he is found there, after Christine asking for it to be searched, then someone dropped the ball.

n/t

03-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Postergeist

I agree this is a strange case as well and that for all intents and purposes it has come to a dead end, however, we do know that what Harlett has posted she is actively working with Christine on this case and in the search for locating/finding Nicholas.

I did get a chance to check her own board about NF, and it doesn't have the interest/posts of their members like on WS and IS, but she is actively posting here about the case.

Maybe this is the rare case that strength in numbers aren't needed or warranted as it seems there are those close to this that are no longer specifically seeking the help of every day people.

(by that I mean in active searches, I'm staying out of the $ aspect and donation requests)

I've got some things to do, at some point maybe our board will get the memo (that others seem to have gotten) that this is no longer an unsolved missing persons case. imo

:seeya: [/*]

Hi Postie :seeya:

What memo?? :confused:

n/t

03-19-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I've got some things to do, at some point maybe our board will get the memo (that others seem to have gotten) that this is no longer an unsolved missing persons case. imo

:seeya: [/*]
------------------------------------------

Postergeist - I like how you think. :) [/*][/QUOTE]

lol I guess I must be the only one not getting it.:D

n/t

03-19-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I have another question about TES. (Yes, I know!). Why did CF ask herself what the name of this organization was if she had no intentions of following through?

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=32

Not even a mention on their website? How hard would that be to do? [/*]

She mentioned emailing the director. I wonder if she got a response.

figritout

03-19-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I can't imagine a family not actively looking or speaking out for their missing son based on some idea they might be "attacked". To me that's ludicrous. [/*]

I don't get the feeling that the other members of NFs family are hanging out on the internet reading to see who is saying what about them...

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by n/t

She mentioned emailing the director. I wonder if she got a response. [/*]

I know that Nicholas Garza went missing 2-6 and a volunteer from TES is already helping them so I would assume they respond rather quickly either way - whether they can help or not.

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I know that Nicholas Garza went missing 2-6 and a volunteer from TES is already helping them so I would assume they respond rather quickly either way - whether they can help or not. [/*]

I think if TES had been contacted in this case, they'd make it known and we wouldn't be wondering about it.

huskiki

03-19-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I think if TES had been contacted in this case, they'd make it known and we wouldn't be wondering about it. [/*]

Christine herself said that she contacted the director.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

and I'm sure he is enjoying all of this. [/*]

what do you mean?

saydeezmom

03-19-2008, 04:17 PM

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

I wonder where he was an equipment operator at? At a lumber yard/warehouse? hmmmmm....maybe so; maybe no; maybe could be! [/*]

Warehouse stores like Costco use them...

saydeezmom

03-19-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

Warehouse stores like Costco use them... [/*]

Exactly that or maybe like the kind that FV worked at?

wondering?

03-19-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

and I'm sure he is enjoying all of this. [/*]

Kind of a strange thing to say, whatever you mean!

We are here to try to help find Nicholas and to discuss the case. What ever would make you say this?

bitsy555

03-19-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

I wonder where he was an equipment operator at? At a lumber yard/warehouse? hmmmmm....maybe so; maybe no; maybe could be! [/*]

I did some digging because I was interested. I was going to try to post the link but it was to long. It said he was a union construction worker and made $27 an hour. Don't know if that helps.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

I wonder where he was an equipment operator at? At a lumber yard/warehouse? hmmmmm....maybe so; maybe no; maybe could be! [/*]

It was some kind of lumber place.. not Costco.

I have to find what the name was again tho.

ETA: Lumber Products in Kent

bitsy555

03-19-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

I wonder where he was an equipment operator at? At a lumber yard/warehouse? hmmmmm....maybe so; maybe no; maybe could be! [/*]

I did some reading on that case and found it interesting. They still don't know if foul play was involved. Sounds to me like it was....But it shows how someone can disappear within seconds, Even men.

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 04:47 PM

HarlettOhara

03-19-2008, 04:47 PM

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://tinyurl.com/2bbjfl

Ok, this is the Panther Lake then?

On Google earth it looks bigger than I thought it was. [/*]

yeah, that's it.

saydeezmom

03-19-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I think she was pointing out this man went missing from the same area where NF went missing and possibly there could be something with the area and/or a coincidence that Alaska was the same destination VF was allegedly heading when he went missing as well. [/*]

that's what i thought too

Jazmine203

03-19-2008, 04:56 PM

So if in fact NF is alive and CF has always known this is there anyway she could be in trouble for all the money she has received? I would think that would be illegal but I dont know what you would call it.

faraway

03-19-2008, 04:56 PM

I don't have the time to read much here , although I'd like to :)
But I noticed that on flickr Nicholas' pictures have been taken off, all except for 4.
It might have been mentioned here before, I apologize in that case, but he had lovely pictures on there...I wonder why they are gone.
On Christines site everything is still up?
Did Christine take them down or did Nicholas or the police ???

I check my flickr account every day and took a look at Nicholas' account to see if anything had been added for the search but instead photo's had been removed .

ThruTheTrees

03-19-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by faraway
I don't have the time to read much here , although I'd like to :)
But I noticed that on flickr Nicholas' pictures have been taken off, all except for 4.
It might have been mentioned here before, I apologize in that case, but he had lovely pictures on there...I wonder why they are gone.
On Christines site everything is still up?
Did Christine take them down or did Nicholas or the police ???

I check my flickr account every day and took a look at Nicholas' account to see if anything had been added for the search but instead photo's had been removed . [/*]

Christine stated on her blog a week or so ago that she had taken down the photos. She also stated she is "the photographer of the family", but I agree, he did have some lovely pictures on there. :)

Musterion

03-19-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Jazmine203
So if in fact NF is alive and CF has always known this is there anyway she could be in trouble for all the money she has received? I would think that would be illegal but I dont know what you would call it. [/*]

A person could be in legal trouble for gaining money through knowingly deceptive means.

It is commonly called Fraud. JMO.

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 05:09 PM

Nellie

03-19-2008, 05:15 PM

desmom

03-19-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday
OK, so i was googling stuff again about nicholas....
and i saw this link...
i know it is of a different missing man...
and i know it was like in may of last year i think....
but this happened in the same neighborhood that nicholas went missing from (I think).
I'm not from there, so i might be confused.
Also, this man was planning on going to Alaska too.
He hasn't been heard from since either.
Is this weird????
http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html [/*]

From page 2 of today's thread:

Originally posted by filesmanwife

In my search for the name and story of man who went missing same time as nf. I came across this..

http://www.komotv.com/news/7586427.html

Wow it seems interesting that when I googled "seattle man missing" I get loads of hits with different names.

Has this been brought up and does anyone else find it interesting? [/*]

Originally posted by desmom

Thanks for the link.

I did a little research on the young man. There were rumors that he died of head and truama injury. Two weeks later, the medical examiner's office stated he did not die of physical truama and were awaiting toxicology reports. I could not find any news reports re the tox reports.

jmo [/*]

faraway

03-19-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Christine stated on her blog a week or so ago that she had taken down the photos. She also stated she is "the photographer of the family", but I agree, he did have some lovely pictures on there. :) [/*]

Why take away those photo's ...why claim you are the photographer of the family...????
Leaving lovely family photo's on there would only encourage people to help wouldn't it ??

I don't understand this action at all.

or am I missing something ?

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

So, does she have his password for everything? [/*]

Well, if he's like my husband, he might only use one or two different passwords for everything so he doesn't forget it. :shrug:

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by faraway

Why take away those photo's ...why claim you are the photographer of the family...????
Leaving lovely family photo's on there would only encourage people to help wouldn't it ??

I don't understand this action at all.

or am I missing something ? [/*]

Like I said before, if my husband was missing and I knew he didn't "walk away" I wouldn't keep pictures of my children on any boards or sites for fear of their safety. But I would keep on any pictures of him that I had.

desmom

03-19-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

Like I said before, if my husband was missing and I knew he didn't "walk away" I wouldn't keep pictures of my children on any boards or sites for fear of their safety. But I would keep on any pictures of him that I had. [/*]

Exactly!

IMO, children's pictures have no business on a public family site! Call me paranoid, but there are too many whack jobs out there and I would not want to advertise my children's faces on any public board at any time.

If my husband was missing, I darn sure would not make his face disappear off the internet. I would add in big bold red letters MISSING under every one of his photos and plaster them on every message board I could find.

jmo

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Exactly!

IMO, children's pictures have no business on a public family site! Call me paranoid, but there are too many whack jobs out there and I would not want to advertise my children's faces on any public board at any time.

If my husband was missing, I darn sure would not make his face disappear off the internet. I would add in big bold red letters MISSING under every one of his photos and plaster them on every message board I could find.

jmo [/*]

The only conclusion I can come to is that they (Christine) has been told that NF contacted someone and is ok. To me...it is the only thing that makes any sense :shrug:

Maybe LE will keep him on the books as missing until they can verify it?

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Exactly!

IMO, children's pictures have no business on a public family site! Call me paranoid, but there are too many whack jobs out there and I would not want to advertise my children's faces on any public board at any time.

If my husband was missing, I darn sure would not make his face disappear off the internet. I would add in big bold red letters MISSING under every one of his photos and plaster them on every message board I could find.

jmo [/*]

Me too Desmom - this is something I've never understood but one of those things I've come to accept I can't change :(

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 05:34 PM

REWARD MONEY TO BE RETURNED.(METRO)
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-167017860.html

Francine Tate's Family Speaks About Disappearance
The Dane County Sheriff's office says no crime was committed in this case and no charges will be filed.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13511

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

The only conclusion I can come to is that they (Christine) has been told that NF contacted someone and is ok. To me...it is the only thing that makes any sense :shrug:

[/*]

I've thought all along that she knows he's "ok" why else would she call him a coward? (IMO)

Was it every discussed or does anyone know if his employer is still paying his salary? (just curiousity on my part)

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
REWARD MONEY TO BE RETURNED.(METRO)
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-167017860.html

Francine Tate's Family Speaks About Disappearance
The Dane County Sheriff's office says no crime was committed in this case and no charges will be filed.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13511 [/*]

so, so interesting how people can do this

Musterion

03-19-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

What an awesome statement !! Her anger is very much apparent..... not grief. [/*]

In all fairness, though, Beth E. The police were in contact with Christine during the time she made that statement. They were saying similar things.

"John Urquhart, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff's Office, told ABC News one week after 28-year-old Nicholas Francisco vanished after what seemed like a typical day of work at a downtown Seattle design company. "It's most clearly a disappearance into thin air."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Christine's quote: ""He is gone. That's all I know. He just vanished. There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is," she said. "There is no trace of him left."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351639...ing17__web.html

Giving the benefit of the doubt. JMO.

Mrs.Butterworth

03-19-2008, 05:40 PM

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

Wow, she wasn't ready to come home when she was found. :eek: [/*]

yes...and she knew people were looking for her. I just can't imagine putting my family thru that :(

Nellie

03-19-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

Well, if he's like my husband, he might only use one or two different passwords for everything so he doesn't forget it. :shrug: [/*]

So do I! But my husband couldn't begin to tell you what they are!

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

In all fairness, though, Beth E. The police were in contact with Christine during the time she made that statement. They were saying similar things.

"John Urquhart, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff's Office, told ABC News one week after 28-year-old Nicholas Francisco vanished after what seemed like a typical day of work at a downtown Seattle design company. "It's most clearly a disappearance into thin air."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Christine's quote: ""He is gone. That's all I know. He just vanished. There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is," she said. "There is no trace of him left."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351639...ing17__web.html

Giving the benefit of the doubt. JMO. [/*]

My thought on where she got that was the TV show "Without A Trace".

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

yes...and she knew people were looking for her. I just can't imagine putting my family thru that :( [/*]

IIRC, at the same time another Madison WI college student (KN) was also missing or her remains had just been found and this occupied LE resources for seven days and has yet to be solved.
jmo

faraway

03-19-2008, 05:50 PM

I agree with taking the children's photo's off...but all of Nicholas' photo's are gone as well????
even the nature ones ..I don't see the point ...
he's being erased ....

Musterion

03-19-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Mrs.Butterworth

I've thought all along that she knows he's "ok" why else would she call him a coward? (IMO)

Was it every discussed or does anyone know if his employer is still paying his salary? (just curiousity on my part) [/*]

Hi Mrs. Butterworth!

Just putting her comment in context:

"He's an amazing man, an amazing father and he's so devoted to all of us," she told 710 KIRO. " He's not a coward - he would not run out of us."

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560

She didn't call him a coward. She said he isn't a coward.

IMO and just as valid a point may be that Christine had people around her upset and saying that Nicholas might have left willingly and that that would make him a coward. Maybe she was reacting to that. Also, I read she came from a divorced home. I could be wrong. But, if that is the case, many men who leave their families through divorce have a spouse left behind who may say that the children's father was a coward. Maybe she was reacting from past pain?

Just thoughts.

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

IIRC, at the same time another Madison WI college student (KN) was also missing or her remains had just been found and this occupied LE resources for seven days and has yet to be solved.
jmo [/*]

I know Curry but she could have contacted someone to let them know she was ok.

*sigh* I am so hung up on this...I know....I just can't understand the mindset. Just ignore me LOL

Musterion

03-19-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Envision

It genuinely appears she is making sure of it. [/*]

Hi Envision,

Can you list how you feel or know she is doing that?

TIA.

LiLMaggie

03-19-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

and I'm sure he is enjoying all of this. [/*]I would like to know what you meant by this statement. Do you have some insider info?

TIA

Musterion

03-19-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

My thought on where she got that was the TV show "Without A Trace". [/*]

Hi Rainy!!!

If that is true then it would be innocent enough. IMO.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi Rainy!!!

If that is true then it would be innocent enough. IMO. [/*]

Hi Musterion :seeya:
oops almost clicked on the two little guys slapping each other lol

yeah I think that comment was taken from the missing show on TV jmo

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi Mrs. Butterworth!

Just putting her comment in context:

"He's an amazing man, an amazing father and he's so devoted to all of us," she told 710 KIRO. " He's not a coward - he would not run out of us."

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560

She didn't call him a coward. She said he isn't a coward.

IMO and just as valid a point may be that Christine had people around her upset and saying that Nicholas might have left willingly and that that would make him a coward. Maybe she was reacting to that. Also, I read she came from a divorced home. I could be wrong. But, if that is the case, many men who leave their families through divorce have a spouse left behind who may say that the children's father was a coward. Maybe she was reacting from past pain?

Just thoughts. [/*]

ITA Musterion.. I never took the coward comment the same way that many here do. I tend to think that she was sticking up for him.. not calling him that. Just as I didn't see her saying that the car was nothing special as a way to put him down.. but as a way to point out.. what would be the point to do something to him for that car. JMO of course...

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 06:07 PM

I have permission from the person who wrote to TES to place this here.

I think you will all find this VERY interesting!

----------------------------------------------
Original e-mail sent:

Have you been contacted by anyone regarding Nicholas Francisco in the Seattle area?

He has been missing since 2/13, he has a wife, 2 young children and his wife is pregnant.

Thank you for everything you do!

Response from TES:

Subject:
Re: Question
From:tim.miller@texasequusearch.org
Date:Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:30:53 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, thanks for writing and your kind words.
No, we have not been contacted.

Our protocol is that we must be contacted by family or law
enforcement before becoming involved.

Thank you.

Cheryl

-----------------------------------------

I'm not sure if it's permitted to post them here, but I have quotes from CF stating on the Biz site, that she contacted the director at TES.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

IMO .. and MOOOOOOOOO!!

Musterion

03-19-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Hi Musterion :seeya:
oops almost clicked on the two little guys slapping each other lol

yeah I think that comment was taken from the missing show on TV jmo [/*]

LOL! Well, if you had I would have just taken it, being from you, as a very kind reminder for me to keep awake!

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Envision

By removing pictures and websites of his. [/*]
If my "family" portraits were being analyzed and scrutinized. My husband being called gay by people that don't know him. My son's paternity being questioned using those same photos. I would take them all down too. There are missing person pictures of him on the sites. Why give everyone every part of him that you have left so that they can pick your family apart with them?

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

If my "family" portraits were being analyzed and scrutinized. My husband being called gay by people that don't know him. My son's paternity being questioned using those same photos. I would take them all down too. There are missing person pictures of him on the sites. Why give everyone every part of him that you have left so that they can pick your family apart with them? [/*]

my response to that is that I wouldn't care what anyone said and I probably wouldn't know it was being said because I wouldn't be reading here IMO

Musterion

03-19-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Envision

By removing pictures and websites of his. [/*]

Envision,

How do we know that she took down his websites?

Also, if you have the time and since you've made this statement, it would be really helpful to have a list of the sites that his pictures were on and then deleted. As well as the websites that were up and now are down. Might be good info for this investigation. JMO.

I wouldn't be able to absolutely form an opinion until I could see all of what you are saying in context of the events that have happened.

TIA.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Thanks Dianaelaine.

Fact - I already knew she hadn't contacted them.

Thank you for the confirmation though. I didn't want to even go there, but I'm glad you did.

Thanks again. :) [/*]

::shaking head::

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

my response to that is that I wouldn't care what anyone said and I probably wouldn't know it was being said because I wouldn't be reading here IMO [/*]
I understand that. Just giving another perspective. Everyone is different and reacts different to things. I, personally would not leave them up for the people that I feel are only out to hurt my missing loved one and myself.

decor

03-19-2008, 06:19 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

LOL! Well, if you had I would have just taken it, being from you, as a very kind reminder for me to keep awake! [/*]

:) yep nobody gets to sleep around here

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I understand that. Just giving another perspective. Everyone is different and reacts different to things. I, personally would not leave them up for the people that I feel are only out to hurt my missing loved one and myself. [/*]

I can see both perspectives, but who is out to hurt her missing loved one?

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:21 PM

Musterion

03-19-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
I have permission from the person who wrote to TES to place this here.

I think you will all find this VERY interesting!

----------------------------------------------
Original e-mail sent:

Have you been contacted by anyone regarding Nicholas Francisco in the Seattle area?

He has been missing since 2/13, he has a wife, 2 young children and his wife is pregnant.

Thank you for everything you do!

Response from TES:

Subject:
Re: Question
From:tim.miller@texasequusearch.org
Date:Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:30:53 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, thanks for writing and your kind words.
No, we have not been contacted.

Our protocol is that we must be contacted by family or law
enforcement before becoming involved.

Thank you.

Cheryl

-----------------------------------------

I'm not sure if it's permitted to post them here, but I have quotes from CF stating on the Biz site, that she contacted the director at TES.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

IMO .. and MOOOOOOOOO!! [/*]

Hi dianeaelaine,

Just for clarity...you said you have quotes from the biz site. Could you post those? With the time and date? TIA.

isitme

03-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi dianeaelaine,

Just for clarity...you said you have quotes from the biz site. Could you post those? With the time and date? TIA. [/*]

I thought we were told not to post forum quotes. We can post links but not the quote itself. Am I wrong on that?

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

Hmm, well I certainly didn’t think of it that way. I can see your point on that.
But for the sake of discussion – I don’t think that if my husband was missing I would be spending my time reading about what people thought of him or my family on a message board. imo [/*]

But.. we are talking about someone who is internet savy.. posts blogs.. etc. I don't find it odd that she would go to the internet. It seemed to be a very large part of her life.. as well as her husbands. Some people are able to take criticism more than others. I think she has shown great restraint in not joining here and posting herself to answer some that has been said. Especially the part about her son. I would be livid.

I always chuckle at myself when someone says that they wouldn't be on the interent if their loved one was missing. I must be out there cause this would be one of the first places I would go if my loved one was missing. I have met such amazing people here with incredible resources and have seen a few cases where people here were part of the resolution of a case.

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:26 PM

not sure we are allowed to post links to that site? Anybody???

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hi dianeaelaine,

Just for clarity...you said you have quotes from the biz site. Could you post those? With the time and date? TIA. [/*]

Musterion - it is on Page 4 of this thread

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 06:28 PM

OK let me get this straight:

Wife says she contacted TES

Hubbard (sp?) PI who volunteers to help wife, says TES has been contacted

TES says no-one contacted them.

Is that what we're seeing?

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
OK let me get this straight:

Wife says she contacted TES

Hubbard (sp?) PI who volunteers to help wife, says TES has been contacted

TES says no-one contacted them.

Is that what we're seeing? [/*]

That is what has been posted here anyway.

The person at TEC could have been mistaken. Perhaps isn't the one that talked to Christine or whatever. There could be a very simple explanation for this.. if it is true.

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 06:32 PM

What is the POINT of lying and deceiving?

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

But.. we are talking about someone who is internet savy.. posts blogs.. etc. I don't find it odd that she would go to the internet. It seemed to be a very large part of her life.. as well as her husbands. Some people are able to take criticism more than others. I think she has shown great restraint in not joining here and posting herself to answer some that has been said. Especially the part about her son. I would be livid.

I always chuckle at myself when someone says that they wouldn't be on the interent if their loved one was missing. I must be out there cause this would be one of the first places I would go if my loved one was missing. I have met such amazing people here with incredible resources and have seen a few cases where people here were part of the resolution of a case. [/*]

that is because you were already a part of this community. If sonething were to happen I too would come here but I can guarantee you that no one I know would come here...they just wouldn't even think of it IMO

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

that is because you were already a part of this community. If sonething were to happen I too would come here but I can guarantee you that no one I know would come here...they just wouldn't even think of it IMO [/*]

You are right about that. My family wouldn't even think about it either. They might if I came up missing cause they know I am true crime freak and would probably assume it had something to do with a case I was following. For the record.. I would NEVER leave my kids and family. So, if I go missing that isn't why.

This doesn't seem like the kind of place that Christine would frequent.. good point.

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

snip.....

I think she has shown great restraint in not joining here and posting herself to answer some that has been said.

...snip....
[/*]

we don't know that she hasn't[/*] been here, or is here now, posting.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

That is what has been posted here anyway.

The person at TEC could have been mistaken. Perhaps isn't the one that talked to Christine or whatever. There could be a very simple explanation for this.. if it is true. [/*]

As you can see Mystry, I included the person's name and e-mail information, so you can see where the 'source' came from.

I'm sure TES would KNOW if somebody contacted them!

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

we don't know that she hasn't[/*] been here, or is here now, posting. [/*]

No.. but I don't think she has.

It is obvious she has been here. She does know what is talked about.

For the record.. I will state again.. I am NOT Christine.:D

wondering?

03-19-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

If my "family" portraits were being analyzed and scrutinized. My husband being called gay by people that don't know him. My son's paternity being questioned using those same photos. I would take them all down too. There are missing person pictures of him on the sites. Why give everyone every part of him that you have left so that they can pick your family apart with them? [/*]

Wow, you have really explained this so well! I have been thinking the same thing, have typed several responses, none of which were worthy of posting!
Along comes Mystry and says it perfectly.

AMEN!

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

As you can see Mystry, I included the person's name and e-mail information, so you can see where the 'source' came from.

I'm sure TES would KNOW if somebody contacted them! [/*]

I can't remember if it was Cheryl who posted with us during the height of the Natalee case.....anybody? She worked in the office there answering the phones IIRC????

snowshuze

03-19-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

As you can see Mystry, I included the person's name and e-mail information, so you can see where the 'source' came from.

I'm sure TES would KNOW if somebody contacted them! [/*]

I feel the biggest clue that TES has NOT been contacted, is the fact that Nicholas Franciscos picture and information is NOT THERE after 30 plus days missing.
MOO and stuff.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

As you can see Mystry, I included the person's name and e-mail information, so you can see where the 'source' came from.

I'm sure TES would KNOW if somebody contacted them! [/*]
I guess I misread your post. I thought that you had gotten that from someone else.. that had emailed TES? Are you saying that you emailed them and the person you emailed gave you permission to post that email here? I'm confused, I guess. Sorry.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Musterion - it is on Page 4 of this thread [/*]

Hey Rainy! Hey yall!

That quote from page 4 was this quote from Beth:

I have another question about TES. (Yes, I know!). Why did CF ask herself what the name of this organization was if she had no intentions of following through?

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5484821&page=32

Not even a mention on their website? How hard would that be to do?

I went to that link. All it is is Christine ASKING about TES. It does not say she contacted them. Does anyone have a link where it does say she did?

Anyway, Im at work and I have been trying to get outta here for an hour. Catch you guys later when I get home.

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

I know Curry but she could have contacted someone to let them know she was ok.

*sigh* I am so hung up on this...I know....I just can't understand the mindset. Just ignore me LOL [/*]

Not disagreeing or ignoring. :D

In runaway situations, it is difficult to understand someone else's mindset for what appears like selfish behavior, IMO. I've wondered about a pre-notification process (like a safe house drop-off) as the preventative solution coupled with monetary fines (like AZ stupid driver laws for crossing flooded washes) as the punitive solution to cover unnecessary search costs.

IMO, LE must walk a tightrope to balance the appropriate effort to extend and amount of information to disclose.
jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hey Rainy! Hey yall!

That quote from page 4 was this quote from Beth:

I went to that link. All it is is Christine ASKING about TES. It does not say she contacted them. Does anyone have a link where it does say she did?

Anyway, Im at work and I have been trying to get outta here for an hour. Catch you guys later when I get home. [/*]

on page 37 of that thread

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I guess I misread your post. I thought that you had gotten that from someone else.. that had emailed TES? Are you saying that you emailed them and the person you emailed gave you permission to post that email here? I'm confused, I guess. Sorry. [/*]

Somebody else e-mailed TES and gave me permission to post it here.

But the e-mail and name of the contact is right there ... on my post, so why don't you contact them yourself?

I'm not going to get in trouble here, if I"m not suppose to put up links ... but if I can safely, then I will .. but it IS on page 4 I believe, somebody else posted it earlier.

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

As you can see Mystry, I included the person's name and e-mail information, so you can see where the 'source' came from.

I'm sure TES would KNOW if somebody contacted them! [/*]

This is starting to remind me of the Duckett case. They never contacted TES. Never have found Trenton. Raised a buncha money, though.

jmo

zenharmony19

03-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

that is because you were already a part of this community. If sonething were to happen I too would come here but I can guarantee you that no one I know would come here...they just wouldn't even think of it IMO [/*]

It's quite probable the people you know would come here too. Links to WS and Insessiontrials come up in a search for "Nicholas Francisco" within the first few pages of Google, I just tried it. Christine could have stumbled upon these boards quickly and easily while doing searches for his husband.

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

This is starting to remind me of the Duckett case. They never contacted TES. Never have found Trenton. Raised a buncha money, though.

jmo [/*]

but they did conduct many, many searches...put up billboards and signs on the side of trucks etc

Nellie

03-19-2008, 06:49 PM

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 06:50 PM

Nellie

03-19-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by zenharmony19

It's quite probable the people you know would come here too. Links to WS and Insessiontrials come up in a search for "Nicholas Francisco" within the first few pages of Google, I just tried it. Christine could have stumbled upon these boards quickly and easily while doing searches for his husband. [/*]

Absolutely! I'm sure she did, along with the West Seattle blog.

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

but they did conduct many, many searches...put up billboards and signs on the side of trucks etc [/*]

I don't recall any searches by TES.

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I don't recall any searches by TES. [/*]

no Trentons dad and family did...with the donations collected

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Somebody else e-mailed TES and gave me permission to post it here.

But the e-mail and name of the contact is right there ... on my post, so why don't you contact them yourself?

I'm not going to get in trouble here, if I"m not suppose to put up links ... but if I can safely, then I will .. but it IS on page 4 I believe, somebody else posted it earlier. [/*]
The email address is Tim Millers.. that is available on their site... as is Cheryl's information.

I take back them not knowing tho. Cheryl is pretty up on what is going on.

Sorry.. I am skeptical about second hand emails. Very easy to make up an email. Not saying you did or it was done.. just explaining my apprehension.

Musterion

03-19-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Well, for you, no, I do not have time but if you had read correctly, I said it APPEARS...I didn't say it was fact. And since you missed it, in CF's fact list (:rolleyes: ) she claims she is the one doing the removing or having things removed. Try mustering your trouble up somewhere else. [/*]

Wow. I'm not sure what trouble you are accusing me of trying to 'muster' up. But if trying to keep things in perspective and in context is trying to cause trouble, then I stand guilty! You do want fairness and truth, is that not right?

Thank you, though, and Rainy for pointing me in the right direction. I will go read.

One other thing, Envision, haven't you yourself said that Christine should not be believed? I find it curious, then, if I am remembering correctly that you would believe what she said in regard to having pictures and web sites removed. Or are you saying we should have 'selective' belief in Christine? I'm confused on that and maybe you can clarify? JMO.

decor

03-19-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

on page 37 of that thread [/*]

in all fairness if you read the previous page and page 37 you will see that people asked her if she contacted AMW and TES and they talked about other places. All CF said was that she contacted the director but she didn't say the director of what or which place.

soyesterday

03-19-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

we don't know that she hasn't[/*] been here, or is here now, posting. [/*]

exactly
there are a couple people that i think could be her or a close friend....
i think others agree w/ me

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

The email address is Tim Millers.. that is available on their site... as is Cheryl's information.

I take back them not knowing tho. Cheryl is pretty up on what is going on.

Sorry.. I am skeptical about second hand emails. Very easy to make up an email. Not saying you did or it was done.. just explaining my apprehension. [/*]

what makes me apprehensive is a spouse of a missing person claiming she's asked for search help but in reality has not. :shrug:

decor

03-19-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

exactly
there are a couple people that i think could be her or a close friend....
i think others agree w/ me [/*]

LOL I hate to say this but I really don't believe she is posting here.

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by decor

LOL I hate to say this but I really don't believe she is posting here. [/*]

I hope she isn't! all her time needs to be spent serching for Nic and taking care of her kids. IMO they must really need her right now :(

field of snow

03-19-2008, 07:06 PM

I can see that going either way, although a majority of the posts seemed to be about TES.
ETA: I just reread and I am going to lean to the direction she was replying about TES. IMO

The question still remains: Why not ever contact an organization such as TES when you've been made aware of it? Several people in that same thread shared details from TES. Is there a logical reason not to? What would it hurt? That's what i'm wondering.

Originally posted by decor

in all fairness if you read the previous page and page 37 you will see that people asked her if she contacted AMW and TES and they talked about other places. All CF said was that she contacted the director but she didn't say the director of what or which place. [/*]

JustFacts

03-19-2008, 07:10 PM

decor

03-19-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by field of snow
I can see that going either way, although a majority of the posts seemed to be about TES.

The question still remains: Why not ever contact an organization such as TES when you've been made aware of it? Several people in that same thread shared details from TES. Is there a logical reason not to? What would it hurt? That's what i'm wondering.

[/*]

yes but she could have read the AWM post and was responding to that. we respond all the time to posts here before we go on to read others so she could have read that and responded. without saying the director of which place doesn't really give us proof of anything.

decor

03-19-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Envision

UGH something we finally agree on. I don't believe she is posting here either but I can almost bet my life she is reading every last word. [/*]

yes, I believe she is reading too,just not posting.

Musterion

03-19-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Never said she should not be believed...wrong again, Muster. [/*]

Oh, my mistake and I apologize, Envi.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by desmom

snip*

If my husband was missing, I darn sure would not make his face disappear off the internet. I would add in big bold red letters MISSING under every one of his photos and plaster them on every message board I could find.

jmo [/*]

That's a fantastic idea desmom, I myself hadn't thought about adding MISSING to the pic's, I only thought as far as keeping his pic's up there and adding any more that may show him in different settings, clothing, etc.
And I'm assuming that if you have the access to remove the pic's, you have the access to add something to those pic's.
:beer: Pepsi

Nellie

03-19-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by decor

yes, I believe she is reading too,just not posting. [/*]

Well, maybe she will tell us if she has contacted TES or not. I'm confused myself.

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

There's another question that looms large: why lie about it? [/*]

That's the BIG question. Why the lies and deceptions?

One gets the sense the public is being played.

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
What is the POINT of lying and deceiving? [/*]

Maybe - Money, protection of or improvement upon of self-image or loved-one's image, redirect blame elsewhere, the truth is perceived as ugly?
jmo

desmom

03-19-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

But.. we are talking about someone who is internet savy.. posts blogs.. etc. I don't find it odd that she would go to the internet. It seemed to be a very large part of her life.. as well as her husbands. Some people are able to take criticism more than others. I think she has shown great restraint in not joining here and posting herself to answer some that has been said. Especially the part about her son. I would be livid.

I always chuckle at myself when someone says that they wouldn't be on the interent if their loved one was missing. I must be out there cause this would be one of the first places I would go if my loved one was missing. I have met such amazing people here with incredible resources and have seen a few cases where people here were part of the resolution of a case. [/*]

You and me both MystryPhobia! I don't know that I would be posting on crime boards, but I would definitely be looking for ideas/scenarios on those crime boards.

Some of the scenarios that have been posted could be upsetting. I would just skip over those and keep on reading.

I have seen things uncovered by crime board members LE had no idea even existed.

jmo

n/t

03-19-2008, 07:34 PM

Nellie

03-19-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by desmom

You and me both MystryPhobia! I don't know that I would be posting on crime boards, but I would definitely be looking for ideas/scenarios on those crime boards.

Some of the scenarios that have been posted could be upsetting. I would just skip over those and keep on reading.

I have seen things uncovered by crime board members LE had no idea even existed.

jmo [/*]

How would you know which ones to skip over? What if you skip it and it's just the scenario you need to consider? :shrug:

greeneyez78

03-19-2008, 07:36 PM

There is also a 34 year old woman who went missing 3 weeks before NF did and she left her car behind, all her belongings, and her 2 kids. She went missing from Lacey Washington, but she has since called her dad and said she was ok, but no details besides that.

She messaged her son from a computer somewhere and told him she was ok as well. She still has not returned for her belongings or her car....according to the news reports. So not every case is foul play, so IMO, I bet it is hard for Law Enforcement everywhere to figure out which cases have a high chance of being foul play and which ones don't.

This woman was just walking to the store or something and was gone....left her car, id's, personal items, children. I would have thought they would have thought foul play in that case, but they didn't.

So in this case I am pretty confused, it is all so strange. Not sure what to think anymore.

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I just wish we knew the truth. I have printed posters ready to go (a lot) and am giving half to my husband to post in downtown Los Angeles.

If he is alive and somebody knows it, I wish they'd just say so. There really are people investing time, money and emotions into this case and deserve some sort of truthful answer if they know.

It is so frustrating and I don't know if I go ahead and hang these or what. [/*]

Since they are already printed, I vote for hanging the posters. You never know where Nicholas might be or someone who has seen him. IMO, NF seeing his own poster and knowing that someone cares may be the needed nudge to make that phone call, if he disappeared on his own accord.
jmo

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by desmom

You and me both MystryPhobia! I don't know that I would be posting on crime boards, but I would definitely be looking for ideas/scenarios on those crime boards.

Some of the scenarios that have been posted could be upsetting. I would just skip over those and keep on reading.

I have seen things uncovered by crime board members LE had no idea even existed.

jmo [/*]

And LE does read these message boards, probably not constantly as some of us too, but they do look in to see what the public and possibly someone involved in the case may be posting, if they are.
JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I just wish we knew the truth. I have printed posters ready to go (a lot) and am giving half to my husband to post in downtown Los Angeles.

If he is alive and somebody knows it, I wish they'd just say so. There really are people investing time, money and emotions into this case and deserve some sort of truthful answer if they know.

It is so frustrating and I don't know if I go ahead and hang these or what. [/*]

We don't know the truth Beth and if there are others who are trying to cloud the truth or trying to reshape the truth, it really isn't important. What is YOUR truth is that you are here because you care about Nicholas. Hang the flyers :)

n/t

03-19-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Thanks n/t and cury-us,
Of course you are right and I will hang them. I do hope you see and understand the frustration of it all though.

Sometimes I feel as if CF is just playing a big old game with everybody. Even if the game is as simple as not divulging the truth of the situation.

I wish I could say I don't understand why I'm so connected to NF and this case. Unfortunately, been there done that and in NF's case, I think the end result will be better than mine was. I do believe he is alive and well and even worse, I believe CF knows it.

Yes, I will hang the flyers. Thanks guys. :) [/*]

:beer: The important thing is to keep the awareness going. From what we can tell, there is not much going on as far as anyone looking for him. The only exposure is posting flyers.

Even if Nicholas left voluntarily, it may make him realize what the right thing to do is. Call someone and tell them he's ok.

I totally understand your frustration but we shouldn't give up until we know he's ok.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by decor

in all fairness if you read the previous page and page 37 you will see that people asked her if she contacted AMW and TES and they talked about other places. All CF said was that she contacted the director but she didn't say the director of what or which place. [/*]

The post that says they only do searches in Texas most definately insinuated that she has talked with them. So, just taking that one, it sounds like she has talked with them.

Now I've been away.....trying to walk away from this case for awhile. So I might have missed the point of all of this. Did she say she didn't talk with them at some point? How do we know she said that? I think I've missed something. But I will say this. It seems evident to me that she has talked with them just by the post that they told her they only search Texas. What other organization could she be talking about? Plus it followed suggestions to get ahold of them.

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The post that says they only do searches in Texas most definately insinuated that she has talked with them. So, just taking that one, it sounds like she has talked with them.

Now I've been away.....trying to walk away from this case for awhile. So I might have missed the point of all of this. Did she say she didn't talk with them at some point? How do we know she said that? I think I've missed something. But I will say this. It seems evident to me that she has talked with them just by the post that they told her they only search Texas. What other organization could she be talking about? Plus it followed suggestions to get ahold of them. [/*]

Why would someone from TES tell her they only do Texas when we all know that's not true?

Nellie, you may have missed it and I understand how that happens because it's happened to me. I'm not here 24/7 so I sometimes miss posts.

From what I understand, Christine was given contact information for TES. She posted on that other site that she was told they only do Texas. 1 or 2 pages later, there is another post saying she emailed the director. The 2 or 3 posts above hers were discussions on TES.

A poster sent TES an email inquiring whether or not they were contacted by anyone regarding the Nicholas Francisco case and they replied by saying they were NOT contacted by anyone and they ended the email by saying that it needed to be done by a family member or Law Enforcement. <paraphrasing>.

So the questions remain. Why would Christine ask for information and has not contacted them based on the response in that email? And why is Nicholas not listed on their website?

If Christine believes he was murdered and is near water then I would think contacting TES would the obvious way to go.

JMO!

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:05 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:07 PM

sorry n/t - we were posting at the same time

desmom

03-19-2008, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

That's a fantastic idea desmom, I myself hadn't thought about adding MISSING to the pic's, I only thought as far as keeping his pic's up there and adding any more that may show him in different settings, clothing, etc.
And I'm assuming that if you have the access to remove the pic's, you have the access to add something to those pic's.
:beer: Pepsi [/*]

Ooooh Pepsi - my drink of choice. Thank you.

Taking his pictures down does not make sense.

I would have pics of my husband lounging in his recliner > playing on the computer > standing > all dressed up > all dressed down > walking videos > talking videos...... anything that I could think of that would show him from every angle and all type of scenarios..hoping someone would recognize him.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:10 PM

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Ooooh Pepsi - my drink of choice. Thank you.

Taking his pictures down does not make sense.

I would have pics of my husband lounging in his recliner > playing on the computer > standing > all dressed up > all dressed down > walking videos > talking videos...... anything that I could think of that would show him from every angle and all type of scenarios..hoping someone would recognize him.

jmo [/*]

I totally agree. I don't remember who posted above (Musterion or Mystry) sorry was speed reading so I don't remember who it was commenting on some posters here suggesting Nicholas is homosexual.

IMO, if I was the wife and I knew he wasn't, I wouldn't care one iota what others thought of him. I would want as many pictures of him out there as possible.

We've seen parents of missing children posting pictures of them playing or riding their bikes or eating their favourite foods, etc. Anything that may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen the person eating a food at a restaurant or walking in a park. Pictures of their favourite hangouts, etc etc etc.

It only takes one person to say "hey, wait a sec, I think I recognize him. He was at the park"

decor

03-19-2008, 08:17 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie

The post that says they only do searches in Texas most definately insinuated that she has talked with them. So, just taking that one, it sounds like she has talked with them.

Now I've been away.....trying to walk away from this case for awhile. So I might have missed the point of all of this. Did she say she didn't talk with them at some point? How do we know she said that? I think I've missed something. But I will say this. It seems evident to me that she has talked with them just by the post that they told her they only search Texas. What other organization could she be talking about? Plus it followed suggestions to get ahold of them. [/*][/QUOTE

BUT Christine did not say WHICH organization she contacted even though there are some here that will insist it was TES even though there is no proof because that is what they want it to be so they can bash her for it..

desmom

03-19-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

...."they only do Texas"
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=35

...."emailed director"

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=37 [/*]

I remember the "they only do Texas" post because when I read it I was curious as to how hard it was to find Equusearch's site.

I typed Texas Search in my google search bar and the first one is http://www.texasequusearch.org/

The contact page lists a toll free number for their office and email addresses for the director, office administrator, TES case manager and the training and recruiting coordinator.

IMO, "they only do Texas" is another one of those odd things that have been said that does not make sense.

jmo

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

something I've been intending to ask but I doubt anyone knows, but how recent are those pics of NF that they have on his flyer? [/*]

Good question Rainy. We know there was the family Christmas pic we could assume was taken this last Christmas. Is that picture still around??

decor

03-19-2008, 08:21 PM

no matter how many times you say or how many ways you spin the words, CF never said exactly who she had contacted. It may not have been TES

kpb

03-19-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by decor
no matter how many times you say or how many ways you spin the words, CF never said exactly who she had contacted. It may not have been TES [/*]

Uh huh, the same way she never asked for donations. :rolleyes:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by decor
no matter how many times you say or how many ways you spin the words, CF never said exactly who she had contacted. It may not have been TES [/*]

I agree decor. How many ways can some things be dissected and put back together to suit one's point of view?

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by decor
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie

The post that says they only do searches in Texas most definately insinuated that she has talked with them. So, just taking that one, it sounds like she has talked with them.

Now I've been away.....trying to walk away from this case for awhile. So I might have missed the point of all of this. Did she say she didn't talk with them at some point? How do we know she said that? I think I've missed something. But I will say this. It seems evident to me that she has talked with them just by the post that they told her they only search Texas. What other organization could she be talking about? Plus it followed suggestions to get ahold of them. [/*][/QUOTE

BUT Christine did not say WHICH organization she contacted even though there are some here that will insist it was TES even though there is no proof because that is what they want it to be so they can bash her for it.. [/*]

Decor, Just think about it ... of CF was speaking of AMW, she wouldn't have said they only do 'texas', because they do NOT only do Texas.

And she also said she asked them about other companies that do missing searches professionally. If she did ask them that, they would have told her of TES I'm sure.

It's just common sense here ...

JMO and MOO, but it looks like somebody isn't telling the truth, for some reason.