Discussion - March 19th. [Archive] - Page 2

Sunday Moon

03-19-2008, 08:34 PM

Checking in after reading the thread and catching up!

I was all over this case when it first started but now I think something stinks to high heaven. I waffled between a million scenarios but now AGAIN I think he walked. I think he walked and I think Christine either knows or she suspects it. I think his family knows where he is as well. Why else wouldn't they be out and about? I don't mean they need to be on national TV but why not local media? I just. don't. get. it. The only thing that makes me think he didn't walk are the kids. Even if his family knows where he is I would think they would tell Christine for the kids' sakes, right? No one has been able to give an answer about this but I got the feeling from the mom's interview that she isn't close with Christine. She called her "the wife" during her interview and that just seemed weird to me. Not that it is sinister in any way but just that I wonder if Nicholas were to tell his family where he was and then tell them not to say anything to Christine....would they do that? Would they withhold that info if they had it? I don't know. I am just having a hard time making sense of anything.
:shrug:

field of snow

03-19-2008, 08:35 PM

Well, no matter what she meant or didn't mean, according to TES they haven't been contacted according to Cheryl at TES.

What is the logical reason for not contacting them? She knew about them. Why would someone with a missing spouse not want them involved?

I am not bashing her when I ask this. It's a legitimate question to ask of anyone.

Let's see those logical reasons...?

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

While I appreciated the other point of view because I hadnt thought of it - I have to agree I still very much feel the way that you do n/t - get the pictures out there as many as possible.

eta: & also – if Christine was feeling protective of her memories or her families reputation, would it not be logical that she would remove ALL the pictures? Why still leave ones up of her & her daughter. & again I am sure there is a reason & NOT BASHING – but imo it just doesn’t seem to fit. [/*]

Replying to your ETA. I honestly don't know why she would remove all pictures except those but I guess it's just like with everything else about this case. We're left scratching our heads.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by field of snow
Well, no matter what she meant or didn't mean, according to TES they haven't been contacted according to Cheryl at TES.

What is the logical reason for not contacting them? She knew about them. Why would someone with a missing spouse not want them involved?

I am not bashing her when I ask this. It's a legitimate question to ask of anyone.

Let's see those logical reasons...? [/*]

Who knows FoS. Maybe because someone also posted this on the same thread:

When asked what criteria he uses to decide whether to devote resources to a case, Miller responds that Amber Alerts come first: missing children may be found alive, rescued, and returned to their rightful families. After that, the priority goes to Alzheimer's patients or people who need medication who have wandered away. They're often found within hours. Then TES will investigate other missing people, but in the case of apparent runaways, they will generally advise parents on the work they must do, and will distribute fliers and place notices on the TES Web site, www.Texasequusearch.org."

Maybe she did not think he meets the criteria. Since we are not her, its hard to tell.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by decor
no matter how many times you say or how many ways you spin the words, CF never said exactly who she had contacted. It may not have been TES [/*]

decor, I am not trying to spin anything.
Someone wanted to know where she ever said anything about contacting them and I posted those links. People can read and decide what they want about them. I personally DO believe she was speaking of Texas Equisearch, as I don't know of any other professional searching group in Texas. Do you? Maybe there is....but I certainly don't know about them. Furthermore, right above the comment about emailing the director, there are two posts (one is rather lengthy) about Equisearch, so I do believe that's who she is talking about.

Now, I did not know why people wanted to know what she said about it.....hadn't caught up with everything going on concerning Equisearch. So I wasn't looking for a "lie"....I was looking to see if she had contacted them because someone asked.

I have tried to stay "open" concerning Christine and will still try to do that. But I will also be "open" to question some things that may raise red flags for me. I will not have tunnel vision either way. Just because I believe she is speaking of Equisearch in those posts does not mean I'm out to hang her. I'm not trying to spin anything! You can believe what you want about those posts....and I'll draw my own conclusions by what I have read for myself. Anyone else can draw their own conclusions.

desmom

03-19-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Right before she said she emailed the director, this was said:

just did an online search for PI question asked about earlier in the thread...Christine, this is a PI firm in New Mexico...but may be able to refer you to a firm in Washington
http://www.universalinvestigation.com/ [/*]

At the exact same time, someone posted info about Equusearch from crimelibrary.com. Another post 6 minutes later states they know Equusearch works out of state.

Four minutes later CF posted she emailed the director.

IMO, when she posted she emailed the director she was not responding to the universalinvestigation link because their website does not list anyone's names or titles.

jmo

kpb

03-19-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Decor, Just think about it ... of CF was speaking of AMW, she wouldn't have said they only do 'texas', because they do NOT only do Texas.

And she also said she asked them about other companies that do missing searches professionally. If she did ask them that, they would have told her of TES I'm sure.

It's just common sense here ...

JMO and MOO, but it looks like somebody isn't telling the truth, for some reason. [/*]

Perhaps CF doesn't WANT him found, possibly because she knows he walked (as that is what he told her) and it already had gotten so big with the media that others contacted for her OR CF and NF are in this together and they don't want that to be discovered OR CF did something to him and doesn't want to get caught. Just 3 possible scenarios.

If you love your husband, he is missing and you don't know where or how he is, WHY on earth would you not contact at least one of these organizations to help find your husband... unless you were trying to hide something.

Is there a logical reason not to contact them that I don't understand?? :shrug:

IMO, MOO, etc...

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:42 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Who knows FoS. Maybe because someone also posted this on the same thread:

When asked what criteria he uses to decide whether to devote resources to a case, Miller responds that Amber Alerts come first: missing children may be found alive, rescued, and returned to their rightful families. After that, the priority goes to Alzheimer's patients or people who need medication who have wandered away. They're often found within hours. Then TES will investigate other missing people, but in the case of apparent runaways, they will generally advise parents on the work they must do, and will distribute fliers and place notices on the TES Web site, www.Texasequusearch.org."

Maybe she did not think he meets the criteria. Since we are not her, its hard to tell. [/*]

Her friends on that thread tried to explain it to her several times. And she has been reading this board and we have all referenced the other cases they have helped, including Nicholas Garza, an adult who went missing a week before NF.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by desmom

At the exact same time, someone posted info about Equusearch from crimelibrary.com. Another post 6 minutes later states they know Equusearch works out of state.

Four minutes later CF posted she emailed the director.

IMO, when she posted she emailed the director she was not responding to the universalinvestigation link because their website does not list anyone's names or titles.

jmo [/*]

Well if she was talking about TES, then I still have no reason to doubt what she says. She said Director. DE contacted Cheryl. The director is Tim Miller. Plus, everyone here is quick to question other second hand info, even questioning Harlett, but none of you question that.

Not saying DE is lying, but it IS second hand info to me and I will take that at face value.

field of snow

03-19-2008, 08:44 PM

Andover -- Someone posted a link at 8:44PM in that thread and there was also a link to the crime library details about TES.

Originally posted by andover

From what I remember several people suggested multiple times that CF might want to contact TES. It looks to me that she might have made an error and contacted another company in TX that does not do national searches. I have checked and can't find a listing at all for any other company in Texas that does this type of thing. Does anyone else know what company she might have contacted? Maybe someone needs to give her the contact information for getting ahold of TES. [/*]

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by andover

From what I remember several people suggested multiple times that CF might want to contact TES. It looks to me that she might have made an error and contacted another company in TX that does not do national searches. I have checked and can't find a listing at all for any other company in Texas that does this type of thing. Does anyone else know what company she might have contacted? Maybe someone needs to give her the contact information for getting ahold of TES. [/*]

It was done on this board, the other board she frequents and I would venture to guess many others close to her have done so too.

She has the information.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Right before she said she emailed the director, this was said:

just did an online search for PI question asked about earlier in the thread...Christine, this is a PI firm in New Mexico...but may be able to refer you to a firm in Washington
http://www.universalinvestigation.com/ [/*]

And right below that is a lengthy post about Equisearch, followed by a shorter post about Equisearch and then another post and then Christine's! So, I guess she COULD have been referring to Equisearch as well.

But, regardless, back on page 35 she speaks directly about "Texas" in the post about them only doing Texas and that she asked them if they knew of any other professional search organizations. Now, I think she surely was talking about Equisearch there. Do you?

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well if she was talking about TES, then I still have no reason to doubt what she says. She said Director. DE contacted Cheryl. The director is Tim Miller. Plus, everyone here is quick to question other second hand info, even questioning Harlett, but none of you question that.

Not saying DE is lying, but it IS second hand info to me and I will take that at face value. [/*]

Who is "none of you"? And "everyone"?

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

And right below that is a lengthy post about Equisearch, followed by a shorter post about Equisearch and then another post and then Christine's! So, I guess she COULD have been referring to Equisearch as well.

But, regardless, back on page 35 she speaks directly about "Texas" in the post about them only doing Texas and that she asked them if they knew of any other professional search organizations. Now, I think she surely was talking about Equisearch there. Do you? [/*]

Hi Nellie. No I dont. I dont know who she was referencing because there was mention of what I quoted, TES and AMS. Either way as I said in my previous post, I have no reason to doubt it just because a poster here says. And I have no reason to speculate when it may not be the truth.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Who is "none of you"? And "everyone"? [/*]

You know what I mean Nellie. None of you meaning the only ones that have not taken this info for what its worth is me and Decor and maybe a few lurkers. lol

Sorry to lump everyone into that. You understand my general statement though.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hi Nellie. No I dont. I dont know who she was referencing because there was mention of what I quoted, TES and AMS. Either way as I said in my previous post, I have no reason to doubt it just because a poster here says. And I have no reason to speculate when it may not be the truth. [/*]

And that's certainly ok. But I guess others feel they have reasons to speculate. :shrug: No one on here knows the truth.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

No one on here knows the truth. [/*]

Exactly Nellie.

field of snow

03-19-2008, 08:54 PM

Yes, I agree with your last sentence regarding the picture on the website at the very least.

Originally posted by andover

Yes, I have seen multiple references on TES to Christine on multiple boards. I cannot understand why she would NOT contact them. My guess is that she already knows where he is. I cannot believe that she thinks TES works only in Texas or that she has even called them. At the very least they would put his picture of their website, but she doesn't seem to want his pictures out there either. [/*]

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

You know what I mean Nellie. None of you meaning the only ones that have not taken this info for what its worth is me and Decor and maybe a few lurkers. lol

Sorry to lump everyone into that. You understand my general statement though. [/*]

Well, I'm trying to figure out which group I fit into. LOL!
I definately have some questions about some things seeming to be hinky. But I'm not ready to jump on everything evil about Christine and I'm also not ready to totally clear her of knowing nothing. I just don't see this as an "us against them" case. It's a case about a missing man and just like a husband would be looked at if his wife went missing...I think the woman needs to be looked at too if things seems suspicious in some minds.

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Exactly Nellie. [/*]

she might get the truth if she contacted TES, especially if she thinks her husband is murdered and in/near water. That INVReporter person said Christine said Panther Lake should be searched but LE has done nothing about it.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Well, I'm trying to figure out which group I fit into. LOL!
I definately have some questions about some things seeming to be hinky. But I'm not ready to jump on everything evil about Christine and I'm also not ready to totally clear her of knowing nothing. I just don't see this as an "us against them" case. It's a case about a missing man and just like a husband would be looked at if his wife went missing...I think the woman needs to be looked at too if things seems suspicious in some minds. [/*]

Nothing wrong with that Nellie. I think you and Mystry do a great job of being in the middle. Thats not a bad thing.

LilOsmommy

03-19-2008, 08:56 PM

On the Texas Equusearch site Tim Miller is listed as "Founder/ Director", just an FYI so it seems likely she was referring to TES, JMO

I was thinking though that LE might very well have advised not bringing TES in at this point as it seems most of the evidence is pointing to him walking away. Which could also be a viable reason to keep things quiet and remove some of his photos and tracks online - perhaps they recommend taking the spotlight off for a bit in hopes that he will be more likely to come back? Perhaps they felt that he may have been reading sites about himself and/or looking at photos - if all of that wasn't there maybe it would increase the likelihood of him making contact or signing into Flickr for example to see his kid's photos? Just a thought and only MOO! Trying to make sense of the sudden quiet :confused:

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 08:57 PM

Nellie

03-19-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Exactly Nellie. [/*]

Exacty!

So, like all other threads on this board...people speculate and look for clues. Why should this case be different? Might as well close this whole board up if speculation is not allowed. :shrug:

field of snow

03-19-2008, 08:57 PM

Maybe we all should call Cheryl and Tim ourselves and ask so we can have our own truths. :)

(just kidding of course)

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

she might get the truth if she contacted TES, especially if she thinks her husband is murdered and in/near water. That INVReporter person said Christine said Panther Lake should be searched but LE has done nothing about it. [/*]

I agree with you Rainy. I certainly think TES should be contacted if they have not already. Their equipment and expertise are unmatched. It could only go for the good for sure. Hopefully if she has not done so, she will.

n/t

03-19-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

And that's certainly ok. But I guess others feel they have reasons to speculate. :shrug: No one on here knows the truth. [/*]

That's for sure.

If we believe Christine lied about such a trivial thing about contacting TES, how can we believe what else she says about this case? Could she have lied about other things?

I think that's my biggest struggle and frustration is not knowing the truth. How can the public help if we can't trust the person closest to the missing person?

This is my opinion only and I don't want to lump everyone else in the way I feel about her credibility.

decor

03-19-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by kpb

Uh huh, the same way she never asked for donations. :rolleyes: [/*]

can you prove that she did? there is a reason that a person has to be proved guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

just because a person wants something to be true does not make it true.

even if people can "see" that is what it is if there is no proof, there is no proof.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by andover

Thank you Beth, no I do not know either CF or NF, have been reading for a few weeks on a couple of boards, have not posted anything until today. [/*]

Well welcome andover! :seeya:

Nellie

03-19-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Nothing wrong with that Nellie. I think you and Mystry do a great job of being in the middle. Thats not a bad thing. [/*]

I'll be honest Kindra. I know it's easy to get caught up in all of the speculation and I did that on a board once and when the person was found dead....I felt horrible. So, I try my best to be more careful now. But I will still look at what people say and their body language and such and form an opinion. Some I will post....some I keep to myself.

In this case, I go back and forth so much that I honestly don't know what I think! I still keep thinking he'll be found...alive....just like Beth Smith. But as time goes on, I get to wondering. And then when I hear comments about "looking around water", or "I believe he was murdered"....it makes me wonder all the more. I know if Drew Peterson said such a thing....well....let's just say "Can you imagine!".

But I am trying to remember that I don't know Christine personally and can only go on the snippets of her life I've seen so far. But this case definately has left me with lots of questions that aren't getting answered. That's why I stepped away from this case for a bit. We basically keep beating a dead horse, but I check in to see if there's anything new being discussed and today when I did I saw the new poster who supposedly went to school with Christine (I don't necessarily believe everything one says)...and then I saw the discussion about Texas Equisearch, so I got interested in what was going on.

I hope we know the truth soon about what has happened to Nicholas. I pray he's safe. If he's walked away, I pray he'll come home to his family and they decide from there what they will do with their marriage.

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

yeppers - now I'm off for some other drama - Survivor!
I just went to the TV and my husband said its not THURSDAY LOL [/*]

Have a good night Rainy. :seeya:

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by andover

From what I remember several people suggested multiple times that CF might want to contact TES. It looks to me that she might have made an error and contacted another company in TX that does not do national searches. I have checked and can't find a listing at all for any other company in Texas that does this type of thing. Does anyone else know what company she might have contacted? Maybe someone needs to give her the contact information for getting ahold of TES. [/*]

San Antonio Texas search group
http://www.heidisearchcenter.com/aboutus.html
:shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

03-19-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Have a good night Rainy. :seeya: [/*]

I was right the first time - it is on tonight - pfft what do husbands know? :seeya:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'll be honest Kindra. I know it's easy to get caught up in all of the speculation and I did that on a board once and when the person was found dead....I felt horrible. So, I try my best to be more careful now. But I will still look at what people say and their body language and such and form an opinion. Some I will post....some I keep to myself.

In this case, I go back and forth so much that I honestly don't know what I think! I still keep thinking he'll be found...alive....just like Beth Smith. But as time goes on, I get to wondering. And then when I hear comments about "looking around water", or "I believe he was murdered"....it makes me wonder all the more. I know if Drew Peterson said such a thing....well....let's just say "Can you imagine!".

But I am trying to remember that I don't know Christine personally and can only go on the snippets of her life I've seen so far. But this case definately has left me with lots of quesitons that aren't getting answered. That's why I stepped away from this case for a bit. We basically keep beating a dead horse, but I check in to see if there's anything new bein discussed and today when I did I saw the new poster who supposedly went to school with Christine (I don't necessarily believe everything one says)...and then I saw the discussion about Texas Equisearch, so I got interested in what was going on.

I hope we know the truth soon about what has happened to Nicholas. I pray he's safe. If he's walked away, I pray he'll come home to his family and they decide from there what they will do with their marriage. [/*]

That was an awesome post Nellie and I completely agree with you for the most part.

No matter what the case is as far as what happened to Nick, I do hope they find him. I cannot imagine being his mother, his sister, his wife or his children and never knowing.

Thanks for your insight. I like reading it.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

can you prove that she did? there is a reason that a person has to be proved guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

just because a person wants something to be true does not make it true.

even if people can "see" that is what it is if there is no proof, there is no proof. [/*]

So if someone says to you "I'm hungry", do you not insinuate that they want food, or do they have to say "I want food" for you to understand? I just think you don't have to come out and say something to get your point across... she didn't have to say "give me money", she said that she is broke, that she might lose her house... what else was she trying to do by saying things like that? That isn't helping find NF, so what is the reason? Sympathy? the links are around here and I don't have time to find them but there are a lot.

I am sorry I am just a little riled up

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:17 PM

o/t The 3 Georgia Children are dead. :( I can't believe he went through with it.

:rose:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by n/t
o/t The 3 Georgia Children are dead. :( I can't believe he went through with it.

:rose: [/*]

OMG N/T. That is completely awful! I cannot believe that either! Has he been found??

KKKKKKatie

03-19-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by n/t
o/t The 3 Georgia Children are dead. :( I can't believe he went through with it.

:rose: [/*]

OMG!!! :(

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

OMG N/T. That is completely awful! I cannot believe that either! Has he been found?? [/*]

He commit suicide just like he said he would. He killed the kids and then himself. I can't believe it. :(

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Ooooh Pepsi - my drink of choice. Thank you.

Taking his pictures down does not make sense.

I would have pics of my husband lounging in his recliner > playing on the computer > standing > all dressed up > all dressed down > walking videos > talking videos...... anything that I could think of that would show him from every angle and all type of scenarios..hoping someone would recognize him.

jmo [/*]

:beer: More Pepsi for ya darlin!!!

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I totally agree. I don't remember who posted above (Musterion or Mystry) sorry was speed reading so I don't remember who it was commenting on some posters here suggesting Nicholas is homosexual.

IMO, if I was the wife and I knew he wasn't, I wouldn't care one iota what others thought of him. I would want as many pictures of him out there as possible.

We've seen parents of missing children posting pictures of them playing or riding their bikes or eating their favourite foods, etc. Anything that may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen the person eating a food at a restaurant or walking in a park. Pictures of their favourite hangouts, etc etc etc.

It only takes one person to say "hey, wait a sec, I think I recognize him. He was at the park" [/*]

:beer: Pepsi for you too n/t!!!

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 09:28 PM

Just so you all know ... I was putting something out there for you to draw your own conclusions.

I waver about this all the time too.

But common sense does go a long way.

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.wsha#F

I've checked the courthouses, and jails to see if he was perhaps in custody for some reason, nothing hit on his name. I've also checked here on endangered ppl in Health Facilities, nothing.

CT [/*]

In one of the articles, I remember reading that LE checked the courthouse and hospitals.

You're awesome CT for all the work you do. :rose:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Just so you all know ... I was putting something out there for you to draw your own conclusions.

I waver about this all the time too.

But common sense does go a long way. [/*]

Thank you DE. I am not saying you are lying.

As far as your last comment, assumptions can be dangerous. That to me is common sense.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

So if someone says to you "I'm hungry", do you not insinuate that they want food, or do they have to say "I want food" for you to understand? I just think you don't have to come out and say something to get your point across... she didn't have to say "give me money", she said that she is broke, that she might lose her house... what else was she trying to do by saying things like that? That isn't helping find NF, so what is the reason? Sympathy? the links are around here and I don't have time to find them but there are a lot.

I am sorry I am just a little riled up [/*]

And I agree with you Shimz. I keep reading that she never asked for money, but I've always seen it differently. If someone asks, "What can we do for you/her"...."What does she/do you need"......and the answer is "money" then she has asked for money. Now it may have been other people who passed that information along, but Christine had to have indicated the desperate need for money to SOMEONE for them to pass that word along. So, yes, she asked for money without coming right out and saying "Give me money, money, money". And to do a news article on losing the house and filing bankruptcy....when she was ahead on the mortgage and has money in the bank from the fundraising....is premature, imo and could definately sound like yet another plea for money to help her save her house.....without her coming right out and saying "Give me money to save my house".

It's always been the money that has bothered me from the get-go. Even today when her "classmate" came on and said she was scared because who ever has Nicholas knows about the funds.....once again the focus was on money! Money is just too much of a focus to me. How about just being scared of anyone you think might have kidnapped or murdered your husband......without the funds! Is the money hidden under her mattress? :shrug:

Nellie

03-19-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

That was an awesome post Nellie and I completely agree with you for the most part.

No matter what the case is as far as what happened to Nick, I do hope they find him. I cannot imagine being his mother, his sister, his wife or his children and never knowing.

Thanks for your insight. I like reading it. [/*]

Thanks for understanding where I'm coming from Kindra. :rose:

carterkatt

03-19-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful
Okay – I have a question for the boards…

Without bashing, being negative, or appearing as though one has a hidden agenda – if you had the chance to ask Christine a question that she would answer & then you would take that answer at face value (not to start a debate about) what would like to ask her? [/*]

I would ask her.. if you feel N is near water, and you feel Panther Lake needs to be investigated, will you use some donation money and hire some divers to check it out?

Shimz

03-19-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you DE. I am not saying you are lying.

As far as your last comment, assumptions can be dangerous. That to me is common sense. [/*]

Today it was raining in NYC and on my commute home there was a big puddle between me and the sidewalk.

I ASSUMED that i could hop over but COMMON SENSE told me that I should just walk around it.

there is a difference

:biggrin:

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt

I would ask her.. if you feel N is near water, and you feel Panther Lake needs to be investigated, will you use some donation money and hire some divers to check it out? [/*]

A poster here did say Christine told him/her that she was going to get scuba divers to search Panther Lake. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

I hope it's true and they can rule out the Lake and move on to the next search. I would hope they get a volunteer search team together to search the park as well.

n/t

03-19-2008, 09:48 PM

Well, I'm off to bed folks. Hope tomorrow brings good news.

Nite!:seeya:

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 09:48 PM

decor

03-19-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

So if someone says to you "I'm hungry", do you not insinuate that they want food, or do they have to say "I want food" for you to understand? I just think you don't have to come out and say something to get your point across... she didn't have to say "give me money", she said that she is broke, that she might lose her house... what else was she trying to do by saying things like that? That isn't helping find NF, so what is the reason? Sympathy? the links are around here and I don't have time to find them but there are a lot.

I am sorry I am just a little riled up [/*]

this isn't about food. It is about bashing Christine. I think everyone keeps forgetting that this will be out there for anyone to see for who knows how long.

if you need to tear Christine apart then at least prove that she is guilty of something.

So far everyone has come up with nothing except, they don't like the way she talks, the way she posts, the way she doesn't post, what she says, how she says it, what her psychological profile is, why Nick would have left her, why Nick should have left her.

How will you feel if Nick shows up nad says he just needed a break or he had to leave to avoid trouble. Will everything be okay then? Nick will be home but it was okay to bash Christine the whole time he was gone?

What if he doesn't show up? what if he was murdered by someone other than her? how will you feel about bashing Christine then?

this entire thread is so personal. It has been mostly focused on one person to try and prove how much she is disliked and she must have done something but I haven't seen anyone prove anything.

And if she lied so what. who hasn't? and if you say you never lied then you're lying.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Are his family not being let in the home? And.. who would know better what he had then Christine. His family most likely wouldn't know.. unless there was a substantial amount of his things missing. [/*]

We posted at the same time..lol

kpb

03-19-2008, 09:51 PM

Shimz

03-19-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

That is so cute Shimz. Especially with the little jester ecomotion at the end! lol

There was no clarity in those posts for me. It left the door open for questions for me.

Also, we are not talking about a puddle or something trivial. We are talking about a missing man and his family.

There is a difference.

:D [/*]

I see, but also just speaking of the ideas of assumptions and common sense, it applies for everything....

and you know what, if i had try to hop over it, I could have missed the sidewalk and ended up all wet not to mention look like a fool in front of a lot of people...

but I do not think that any "assumption" if you want to call it that are without merit, I see them more as insightful opinions by people with good intentions.

I don't think anyone is "out to get" CF, I think there are certain things that are a little odd about the situation though.

Since the kids in Georgia were brought up, did you see what the mother said? I will find the link if you want. It was appalling imo, and gave me a sick feeling.

People react to what other people do and say. It is human nature.

I think i am rambling now... I'll stop

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I would ask her to let his family in her home to verify all his belongings are there. From the garage to his closet. From his shoes to his cologne. Esp; his art work, and data drives. Where are they? Anyone usually involved with online graphics has all their stuff on a data stick; I have lots of data sticks. I'm sure he did too....are they gone?

I think in CFs head the I love you bella comment was what she wished were the last words nf said to her, I'm sorry I'm just not sure I believe it. Like I've said before, all too saccharine for me.
From the sugar to the cookies to the i love you bella *hand on forehead* DRAMA can anyone see the DRAMA in these three stories? Because I do see it; I heard it on the tapes.

And, why did you pull the you tube video down? You Tube Video cannot be accessed, I thought you all put that together to help search for Nick, does he really not need to be looked for? Or; as you stated does he need to be "uncovered"

I have so many questions, but his families silence really says a lot to me; this happened in Beth Smiths case as well. They knew she just up and left. Does Christine know the same thing, and yet still milked the public for HELP? Because if she did; anyone that knows me from the Madel forum will know; I may have to hop a flight out there lol. That really makes me mad. The focus is on the Money, and CF and NOT Nicholas. Her anger, instead of grief also is suspect.
CT [/*]
CT, if you have to hop on a plane and come out here, I will pick u up at the airport. Because this makes me mad too.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Checking in after reading the thread and catching up!

I was all over this case when it first started but now I think something stinks to high heaven. I waffled between a million scenarios but now AGAIN I think he walked. I think he walked and I think Christine either knows or she suspects it. I think his family knows where he is as well. Why else wouldn't they be out and about? I don't mean they need to be on national TV but why not local media? I just. don't. get. it. The only thing that makes me think he didn't walk are the kids. Even if his family knows where he is I would think they would tell Christine for the kids' sakes, right? No one has been able to give an answer about this but I got the feeling from the mom's interview that she isn't close with Christine. She called her "the wife" during her interview and that just seemed weird to me. Not that it is sinister in any way but just that I wonder if Nicholas were to tell his family where he was and then tell them not to say anything to Christine....would they do that? Would they withhold that info if they had it? I don't know. I am just having a hard time making sense of anything.
:shrug: [/*]

As I was reading your post a thought came to mind and first I'd like to say...I'm not CF bashing here.
Could it be that he did tell CF he was leaving and she didn't believe, or want to believe? She reports him missing and if iirc friends arranged for the news appearances, she went with it thinking, he'll see this and come back to me. Of course, the whole thing snowballs and we are to this point. Maybe NF has been in touch with his family to let them know he is alive and well and to let them know his reasons for leaving. It could be that he is working with them and possibly a divorce attorney to work out negotiations for the support of the children. Maybe that's why they are silent, maybe their marriage was one where he wants nothing to do with her except between third parties. We don't know. The 'the wife' comment makes me think that there may not have been a good relationship between her and his family...for whatever reason. She's all over the internet and news telling people how good he was, father, husband, thinking this may make him feel guilty, or trying to assuage her guilt in her part in a marriage that may have made it impossible for NF to go thru with a divorce and/or separation amicably. I know from my own experience, I want nothing to do with my ex. The only communication I have had with him has been thru my attorney or thru email. And while going thru the divorce my attorney advised me not to contact him in any way other than thru my attorney.
Just an idea and of course....JMO< MOO<IMO

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That's just the point, LE doesnt even feel it's a "missing person" case....

And no; I dont know if LE had searched her house, they would need a warrant to do so. We never saw any footage of LE coming out of her house with their PC in a bag, or anything like that. There is part of me that seriously doubts all his shoes are there, as well as his data sticks, overnite bag...things like that.

How do I know he didnt leave his wedding ring on the dresser?
I dont. If I see it I usually believe it. A "look see" would never ever be enough for me if my husband were "missing"
I guess to protect myself, I'd want a thourough search of my home by LE; just to clear myself. What if he comes up dead in the next few weeks, who will be LEs lead suspect?
Always, the spouse.
CT [/*]

Well I do follow plenty of missing persons cases and again no one listens to me, but this is not out of the ordinary for a missing adult male. So when you are assuming LE doesn't believe that its a missing person's case, that is a big assumption. Most of the time with adult males when there is no evidence, this is where it stands. Just like Nick's case. Where they wait for a lead. Where sometimes not alot of investigating is even done. Missing male adults are not a priority in a lot of cases. I have read on many cases where the family remains frustrated with LE involvement because of it.

Leaving the wedding ring is a stretch. Why would she even call LE then? I think logically I guess.

MystryPhobia

03-19-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

We posted at the same time..lol [/*]

LOL you know what they say about great minds..

Pam

03-19-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I was just sick sick sick when I read that thread today; Ive not been right since. shocking. What a *******. Louse, ignorant louse. He had no right to take their little lives.

CT [/*]

I just had a couple of minutes to check in and read the few pieces that was posted about this. Not sure exactly what happened, it hasn't been on our news, and I haven't read anything online...but it sounds horrible and heartbreaking!! My heart just breaks when it involves kids :(

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Pam

I just had a couple of minutes to check in and read the few pieces that was posted about this. Not sure exactly what happened, it hasn't been on our news, and I haven't read anything online...but it sounds horrible and heartbreaking!! My heart just breaks when it involves kids :( [/*]

Here (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jSi6gINnpHaGc2pqeXpDLZ2dt3SwD8VGP4J80) You go Pam. Very sad and tragic.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by decor

this isn't about food. It is about bashing Christine. I think everyone keeps forgetting that this will be out there for anyone to see for who knows how long.

if you need to tear Christine apart then at least prove that she is guilty of something.

So far everyone has come up with nothing except, they don't like the way she talks, the way she posts, the way she doesn't post, what she says, how she says it, what her psychological profile is, why Nick would have left her, why Nick should have left her.

How will you feel if Nick shows up nad says he just needed a break or he had to leave to avoid trouble. Will everything be okay then? Nick will be home but it was okay to bash Christine the whole time he was gone?

What if he doesn't show up? what if he was murdered by someone other than her? how will you feel about bashing Christine then?

this entire thread is so personal. It has been mostly focused on one person to try and prove how much she is disliked and she must have done something but I haven't seen anyone prove anything.

And if she lied so what. who hasn't? and if you say you never lied then you're lying. [/*]

That is not true that noone came up here with anything except bad thing about CF. I think there have been theory after theory about what could have happened to NF.

She is his wife, do you suggest she is completely left out of the equation?

I don't think I would differently about CF no matter the outcome.. as it is, I don't feel much for her good or bad. If he shows up, I would be happy NF is alive, and then I don't think CF should give any thought to what anyone has said about her, she has her husband back, end of story.

If he was murdered, I would feel sad for NF, for his family, and yes for CF, but i wouldn't say something like, oh well now i DONT think she was indirectly asking for money.

But sometimes i get the feeling you just want to counter anything anyone says...

decor

03-19-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

That is not true that noone came up here with anything except bad thing about CF. I think there have been theory after theory about what could have happened to NF.

She is his wife, do you suggest she is completely left out of the equation?

I don't think I would differently about CF no matter the outcome.. as it is, I don't feel much for her good or bad. If he shows up, I would be happy NF is alive, and then I don't think CF should give any thought to what anyone has said about her, she has her husband back, end of story.

If he was murdered, I would feel sad for NF, for his family, and yes for CF, but i wouldn't say something like, oh well now i DONT think she was indirectly asking for money.

But sometimes i get the feeling you just want to counter anything anyone says... [/*]

it isn't a matter of what people THINK about her it is a matter of what people post about her.

how would you feel if Nick doesn't come back and she has to get a job. her potential employer googles her and comes up with this and decids not to hire her based on everyone's opinion of her. They may assume she may be too much trouble.

is that okay with you too?

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by decor

it isn't a matter of what people THINK about her it is a matter of what people post about her.

how would you feel if Nick doesn't come back and she has to get a job. her potential employer googles her and comes up with this and decids not to hire her based on everyone's opinion of her. They may assume she may be too much trouble.

is that okay with you too? [/*]

Well that doesn't sound like an employer that I would want to work for. One that bases his decision on what strangers online say about me rather than my credentials and their OWN opinion.

For an employer to want to hire her, they must have liked her... so he is just going to google her name and say... oh wow... these people never even met her or talked to her personally, but I bet they're opinion is better than mine? I really don't think so

decor

03-19-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That's absurd. Someone needs to get offline if they are that deep in the web.....of online life.

Paranoia? [/*]

what is absurd? employers google potential epmloyees all the time.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by andover

Thank you Beth, no I do not know either CF or NF, have been reading for a few weeks on a couple of boards, have not posted anything until today. [/*]

:seeya:
Welcome andover!!!
Always nice to have someone new join our board and in this case it's nice to know you are from Seattle.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 10:13 PM

Well, I'll tell ya from my point of view:

I tried several times to post over at the biz site, on their 'donations & prayers' thread, with suggestions and ideas, that would be helpful ... and was told to go away.

I started my own thread and was closed down. Now maturity and life experience AND common sense, tell me that if you really wanted to find somebody, you'd not shut down somebody trying to help.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
One word
DRAMA?

Waiting for a lead, precious time to me; time wasted to me. If they are not even willing to put up his name on their site, then they know something we dont. They must not believe he was harmed. But for me; it's ignorant to assume that LE is just sitting on their hands doing nothing. I'm sure that once they dig into finances and band records they will find something. But I also understand how time consuming that is.....at first glance LE said nothing looked "suspicious" but upon closer inspection.....who knows? I would think he left a paper trail. IT's really hard not to do that now days....you know? I'd say start with that paypal acct....when did he make a withdrawl last, how much was missing; as CF said there was less in there than she thought there would be, so to me that right there would be my first acct I would go over.
CT [/*]

Ok, here are just one case where the family thinks LE is at a stand still:

Family of Student Frustrated with Search (http://www.wptz.com/news/15409287/detail.html)

Another would be John Delatte. I cannot find the link at the moment but I know for a fact the family is frustrated as I have spoken with one of them.

These are just two. There are plenty. Some never even get news media at all.

decor

03-19-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

Well that doesn't sound like an employer that I would want to work for. One that bases his decision on what strangers online say about me rather than my credentials and their OWN opinion.

For an employer to want to hire her, they must have liked her... so he is just going to google her name and say... oh wow... these people never even met her or talked to her personally, but I bet they're opinion is better than mine? I really don't think so [/*]

no. you don't get it.
if they see this and read maybe half they will see that she caused controversy. people criticized every single she did in a catastrophic time in her life. This may cause them to think that she may not be worth the trouble if they hire her.

DO you really think all of this would be dismissed?

kpb

03-19-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

It has been mostly focused on one person to try and prove how much she is disliked and she must have done something but I haven't seen anyone prove anything.

And if she lied so what. who hasn't? and if you say you never lied then you're lying. [/*]

You haven't seen because you apparently have closed eyes and mind towards ANYTHING AT ALL that may suggest that the wife may not be above board.

And now that it seems she has been caught in a lie, the proof has been given, you're come back is, "And if she lied, so what, who hasn't? And if you say you never lied then you're lying."

"Yes I weigh 105" (but you really weight 125) DOES NOT = "Yes I tried to get this organization that you all told me about to help search for my beloved husband, but they don't search outside of their state."

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Right before she said she emailed the director, this was said:

just did an online search for PI question asked about earlier in the thread...Christine, this is a PI firm in New Mexico...but may be able to refer you to a firm in Washington
http://www.universalinvestigation.com/ [/*]

Hi Kindra,

I haven't read the entire thread yet for the context yet but am going to try tonight. Thank you for this, though.

Another thought.

Maybe she did email Equisearch. Maybe she emailed under an email account that did not have her name on it. As instead of Christine Francisco it was Bella something or other. Equisearch would not know that was Christine.

Maybe the question/s she asked weren't clear to Equisearch and they answered accordingly. Or maybe she did a quick read of the answer and thought it said 'just Texas'. We don't know if she specifically mentioned Nicholas or emailed a general question about a missing adult.

Just another possibility.

decor

03-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Oh Wait. Wait a minute.

God Forbid she should have to:

GET A JOB.......

RIght>>???? Thanks Decor, sometimes words really hang ya up.
:D [/*]

I hope that no one ever talks about any of your loved ones the way you talk about others.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by decor

what is absurd? employers google potential epmloyees all the time. [/*]

quite possible, but a good company will do a thorough background (criminal, education, employment, even credit) search in lieu of just "googling" you to find out their information. Because really, if it isn't documented then how can you for certain absolutely no doubt in your mind believe it.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by n/t
o/t The 3 Georgia Children are dead. :( I can't believe he went through with it.

:rose: [/*]

OMG! I feel sooo bad for the mom. My prayers will be with her as she has to deal with this horrible time in her life.
:rose:

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by decor

if you need to tear Christine apart then at least prove that she is guilty of something.
[/*]

Guilty is the wrong word.
But I, like Christine, think Nicholas was hurt.
And I am perplexed why she is not doing more to find him.
At a minimum: Physically searching; not allowing LE to back-burner the case; hiring a PI; bringing in professional searchers.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by decor

no. you don't get it.
if they see this and read maybe half they will see that she caused controversy. people criticized every single she did in a catastrophic time in her life. This may cause them to think that she may not be worth the trouble if they hire her.

DO you really think all of this would be dismissed? [/*]

-------------------------------------------

I owned my own business awhile back.

When I interviewed and hired people, I never looked them up on the internet, I judged by what I say, what I heard and their experience towards what they would be doing for me and my company.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:21 PM

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Cinderella. Fairytale. TIme to log off. Sounds very much like what her personality told us in her interviews, and postings online. Bella cares way too much about online life, instead of the real world. Now; she will have to get offline and leave that world, and step into the Real World. OUCH.

But; true to form, this isnt about BELLA this is about NICK.
Maybe THIS is why HE LEFT???
CT [/*]

CT:

I usually just browse over your posts for the most part. BUT, sometimes empathy for others can go along way. Some posters here have made it about Christine. She certainly isnt here egging people on to do so. Her whole life has been completely dissected and I am sorry but I would care too! She has stuff all over the internet saying so many bad and hurtful things about her (not speculation that Im talking about. I am talking about down right hatefulness) that will be online for years to come. It just ads fuel to her fire in my opinion about what all she has to endure.

And that is MOO.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 10:22 PM

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

-------------------------------------------

I owned my own business awhile back.

When I interviewed and hired people, I never looked them up on the internet, I judged by what I say, what I heard and their experience towards what they would be doing for me and my company. [/*]

TY... i have never met an employer with years of experience hiring people say that they thought they "weren't a good judge of character"...

decor

03-19-2008, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by kpb

You haven't seen because you apparently have closed eyes and mind towards ANYTHING AT ALL that may suggest that the wife may not be above board.

And now that it seems she has been caught in a lie, the proof has been given, you're come back is, "And if she lied, so what, who hasn't? And if you say you never lied then you're lying."

"Yes I weigh 105" (but you really weight 125) DOES NOT = "Yes I tried to get this organization that you all told me about to help search for my beloved husband, but they don't search outside of their state." [/*]

you are so wrong.

I never said I didn't think she lied. As a matter of fact I had a lot of some of the same opinions as most on this board but I am not into ripping a person apart without proof. I am not into posting horrible stuff about them because I didn't like the way they acted.

I have said this before but I came here because I thought this was a place that actually looked at all sides of a situation, try to come up with possible scenarios, does not get emotionally involved and looks at everything objectively.

What I have seen is occasional posts about what could have happened to Nick in between the pages of what kind of a person Christine is.

I have seen anger and hatred directed at Christine and sympathy and caring for Nick. EVEN if he walked out on his wife and kids and left them high and dry.

Because of this I decided to stand up for CF as I was not going to join the bashing party.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Tonite when I was searching the online court records, I had this eerie feeling I was doing something his own wife hadn't even bothered to do.
It's all the blogging online, and emailing, instead of getting out there and finding your husband that really sets ppls teeth on edge. IT's the way your kid squirmed around on the couch while you were inappropriate in front of her and the camera as a parent that really set some ppl on edge. Its the fact that not everyone believes this story of cookies, sugar and fairytale love.
Not everyone is believeable, some ppl you can read them like a book.
There have been so many ppl here that have worried for Nicholas. Worried for his LIFE. At times, more than his own wife.
Her real concern was that baby, her kids not having a daddy, her anger, and MONEY.
All mis placed priorites in my opinion. Considering the circumstances :shrug: [/*]

In the grand scheme of this whole case, what is the deal with the cookies? What in the world is the big deal with the cookies??

How do you know what her real concerns are and why should her unborn baby and their future (as far as how they are going to live without his income) misplaces priorities??

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by decor

I have seen anger and hatred directed at Christine and sympathy and caring for Nick. EVEN if he walked out on his wife and kids and left them high and dry.

[/*]

This is what I never understood either. :shrug:

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you DE. I am not saying you are lying.

As far as your last comment, assumptions can be dangerous. That to me is common sense. [/*]

I agree, Kindra.

Most anyone, under these circumstances, would want everyone to try to understand the context of events before they made assumptions.

If we want the real truth then we have to do the painstaking work of reviewing pages and pages of articles, blogs, newspapers, etc. to make sure we understand what was said and how and why. I would want that done for me. Wouldn't all of you want that done for you?

We have a right to our opinions. That is true. But, IMO, we have an obligation to state those opinions fairly. Not flippantly and with underlying innuendos or malice. Real people's lives and characters have been ruined because of the wrecklessness of words. JMO.

kpb

03-19-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by decor

no. you don't get it.
if they see this and read maybe half they will see that she caused controversy. people criticized every single she did in a catastrophic time in her life. This may cause them to think that she may not be worth the trouble if they hire her.

DO you really think all of this would be dismissed? [/*]

And you've appointed yourself the task of cleaning the internet of anything said uncomplimentary about Christine?

Ok, now you are grasping at straws. It's kinda comical if it weren't so sad. :(

Frankly if my husband was missing, what was said about ME would the the absolute LAST THING on my mind. I know what my priority would be, but obviously you think Christine's are the same as yours.

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'll be honest Kindra. I know it's easy to get caught up in all of the speculation and I did that on a board once and when the person was found dead....I felt horrible. So, I try my best to be more careful now. But I will still look at what people say and their body language and such and form an opinion. Some I will post....some I keep to myself.

In this case, I go back and forth so much that I honestly don't know what I think! I still keep thinking he'll be found...alive....just like Beth Smith. But as time goes on, I get to wondering. And then when I hear comments about "looking around water", or "I believe he was murdered"....it makes me wonder all the more. I know if Drew Peterson said such a thing....well....let's just say "Can you imagine!".

But I am trying to remember that I don't know Christine personally and can only go on the snippets of her life I've seen so far. But this case definately has left me with lots of questions that aren't getting answered. That's why I stepped away from this case for a bit. We basically keep beating a dead horse, but I check in to see if there's anything new being discussed and today when I did I saw the new poster who supposedly went to school with Christine (I don't necessarily believe everything one says)...and then I saw the discussion about Texas Equisearch, so I got interested in what was going on.

I hope we know the truth soon about what has happened to Nicholas. I pray he's safe. If he's walked away, I pray he'll come home to his family and they decide from there what they will do with their marriage. [/*]

That is an awesome post, Nellie. Thank you for that. Alot of wisdom and alot of good heart.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:31 PM

IMO it has been CF that has made this all about her. Look back at the interviews and the articles, every single one of them, and then tell me that she talks about NF more then she talks about herself.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OK! SLeep well, I'm off to a hot shower in a few, somehow I have to get my arm up to wash my hair :cuss: Its gonna hurt. PT starts tomorrow, pray for me :lol: [/*]

My prayers are continual for you Cat...as well as for NF.
:rose:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Or maybe CF misspelled Nicholas's name, or maybe the email did not successfully arrive at TES, or maybe she thought she sent the email and really just forgot, or maybe TES accidentally deleted the email before ever reading it, or maybe gremlins intercepted the email or maybe the email went to an incorrect email addy and some mystery person responded that TES did not search out-of-state. Lots of maybes.

If the activity was captured on video, would you think the film was altered? TIA [/*]

Good post and yes some would (or some would comment on why she wasnt crying, or if she was crying too much. She was wearing too much makeup when doing it or she has a new hairstyle and shouldn't have her hair cut.) The possibilities are endless.

kpb

03-19-2008, 10:32 PM

Good night, praying tomorrow brings good news about Nicholas. :rose:

decor

03-19-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by kpb

And you've appointed yourself the task of cleaning the internet of anything said uncomplimentary about Christine?

Ok, now you are grasping at straws. It's kinda comical if it weren't so sad. :(

Frankly if my husband was missing, what was said about ME would the the absolute LAST THING on my mind. I know what my priority would be, but obviously you think Christine's are the same as yours. [/*]

no, I appointed myself to be a voice for her.

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03-19-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
IMO it has been CF that has made this all about her. Look back at the interviews and the articles, every single one of them, and then tell me that she talks about NF more then she talks about herself. [/*]

she may have made some of it about herself but most of the people here made it more about her than she ever did. and they made his disappearance more about CF than they have about Nick.

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:36 PM

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03-19-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
He didnt leave his friends, or his job or his parents, he left his HOME, his ART his LIFE. That in most cases, IS the Spouse, ergo
His Life. His Wife. :shrug:

This isnt the sugar forum this is a crime forum; where we get down and dirty into humane behavior and why ppl commit crimes, usually MURDER.

Nicholas is GONE; his WIFE claims she is certain he is DEAD....
Murdered in fact. And the things that she has stated publicly are up for grabs; we are going to analyze all of it here like we always do; to get to the bottom of this "case" as CF so callously referred to Nicolas as; just days after he went "missing".
Like I said,
Your words will always hang you. Always.
CT [/*]

oh please. plenty of selfish men just leave because they only think about what they want.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:37 PM

ok, so we know that we are "30 steps behind LE", does anyone have any ideas on what that might be? what they may know? Do you think it has anything to do with something that may have found at the car?

**lost focus and now trying to get back on track**

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Last night I went back to the original articles, where her sister Janna or Jenna something like that had said they needed money; if anyone wanted to help to donate money to the acct. It was on one of the links from the beginning...I always go back to the beg on these cases. Start all over and look back at who said what when. :D [/*]

I wish everyone did that Cat! You're a good researcher!!!

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03-19-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
He didnt leave his friends, or his job or his parents, he left his HOME, his ART his LIFE. That in most cases, IS the Spouse, ergo
His Life. His Wife. :shrug:

This isnt the sugar forum this is a crime forum; where we get down and dirty into humane behavior and why ppl commit crimes, usually MURDER.

Nicholas is GONE; his WIFE claims she is certain he is DEAD....
Murdered in fact. And the things that she has stated publicly are up for grabs; we are going to analyze all of it here like we always do; to get to the bottom of this "case" as CF so callously referred to Nicolas as; just days after he went "missing".
Like I said,
Your words will always hang you. Always.
CT [/*]

I said this before and will say it again.

there is difference between analyzing and being just downright nasty.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

**lost focus and now trying to get back on track** [/*]

Good idea Shimz! See, sometimes I WILL agree with some of you guys sometimes! lol

desmom

03-19-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by decor

it isn't a matter of what people THINK about her it is a matter of what people post about her.

how would you feel if Nick doesn't come back and she has to get a job. her potential employer googles her and comes up with this and decids not to hire her based on everyone's opinion of her. They may assume she may be too much trouble.

is that okay with you too? [/*]

This is a crime board. IMO, we have discussed the same scenarios LE have also considered. We have asked the same questions LE have asked.

I also believe anyone that saw her interviews on tv or read media reports, would have also asked some questions. Her history of changing facts speaks for itself.

I think an employer with any type of common sense would be able to consider CF on her own merit and not from a bunch of things posted on a crime sleuthing board.

jmo

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by decor

what is absurd? employers google potential epmloyees all the time. [/*]

I'm also sure they would see the rest of the references to 'Fransico' and realize the circumstances at which these references were made. I may be wrong, but I'm sorry, I don't think a potential employer is going to wade thru hundreds of pages of a message board checking CF out. If they do, they will see what it's all about. Her missing husband.
I also think she would have explained something to them about it. Don't they usually ask something about why they are applying?

Musterion

03-19-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by kpb

Right Shimz, it was done in such a way that they didn't have to ask. I was telling someone at work about this case and immediately they said that it was done this way by CF so she could always throw "I never asked for donations" out there. I hadn't even gotten into that part of the story and they beat me to it. :shrug: [/*]

LOL! Well, that doesn't surprise me! Most people by nature are very suspicious and cynical. We come from a society that is very money oriented. We watch crime shows that are mostly about people killing other people for money. Many of us feed our minds with media that portray people favourably who speak in irreverent and cutting and disrespectful ways, i.e. cynical. Sitcoms are full of that!!! Suspicion and cynicism seems to be prevalent in our society.

What surprises me is when people listen, don't respond immediately, think things over and then give an opinion. JMO.

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03-19-2008, 10:47 PM

Shimz

03-19-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by decor

she may have made some of it about herself but most of the people here made it more about her than she ever did. and they made his disappearance more about CF than they have about Nick. [/*]

Well that is your opinion but I will have to disagree with you. If you look at other boards and other websites (i was looking last night) you will find there are a lot more people who also share the same opinions that have been posted here... so imo, that says something...

Do you believe that you can tell a lot about a person by statements that they make?

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

CT:

sometimes empathy for others can go along way.
[/*]

I had empathy for my friend when she lost her job. I didn't have empathy when she sat on the couch for months, instead of doing something about it.

We're all worried about Nicholas. But Christine is the one in a position to get things done. We need her to step forward. NICHOLAS needs her. Now is no time to be a coward. It's time to get up off the couch.

decor

03-19-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I'm also sure they would see the rest of the references to 'Fransico' and realize the circumstances at which these references were made. I may be wrong, but I'm sorry, I don't think a potential employer is going to wade thru hundreds of pages of a message board checking CF out. If they do, they will see what it's all about. Her missing husband.
I also think she would have explained something to them about it. Don't they usually ask something about why they are applying? [/*]

I don't think they will wade thru even 10 pages but they can just pick one and it will be mostly about Christine and I think they will get the gist of it.

You may think that employers are not using the internet to look people up but if you are in the younger generation you know that they are.

This is not the way it was in the 60's,70's,80's or 90's. things have changed big time.

and she lives in a relatively large city. I think I read somewhere the population is 2 million.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by desmom

This is a crime board. IMO, we have discussed the same scenarios LE have also considered. We have asked the same questions LE have asked.

I also believe anyone that saw her interviews on tv or read media reports, would have also asked some questions. Her history of changing facts speaks for itself.

I think an employer with any type of common sense would be able to consider CF on her own merit and not from a bunch of things posted on a crime sleuthing board.

jmo [/*]

Whether or not LE has made the same assumptions and scenarios, they have 1) not considered Christine as suspect as far as we know
and
2) Do not proceed to drag her through the proverbial mud online for the whole world to see.

We as a board have been through this argument so many times that horse has been dead 100 times over BUT the fact remains. Speculating on certain things are not a problem for me personally. Nitpicking at the wife of a missing person on trivial things that mean nothing to this case is a different story. Everyone throws "This is a crime board" excuse out there every time one does it.

Hopefully many of you will not be eating crow one day. And if you are, hopefully you will at least be big enough to apologize. However, all the hateful statements are still left out there. Cant change that.

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03-19-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

Well that is your opinion but I will have to disagree with you. If you look at other boards and other websites (i was looking last night) you will find there are a lot more people who also share the same opinions that have been posted here... so imo, that says something...

Do you believe that you can tell a lot about a person by statements that they make? [/*]

I think you can make some generalizations about people from what you read but I also know that you may meet them and see that they are actually quite different than you thought they were.

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03-19-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by frznwsalt

I had empathy for my friend when she lost her job. I didn't have empathy when she sat on the couch for months, instead of doing something about it.

We're all worried about Nicholas. But Christine is the one in a position to get things done. We need her to step forward. NICHOLAS needs her. Now is no time to be a coward. It's time to get up off the couch. [/*]

who told you she was sitting on the couch? how do you know what she is doing?

PerneciaJane

03-19-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Oh Wait. Wait a minute.

God Forbid she should have to:

GET A JOB.......

RIght>>???? Thanks Decor, sometimes words really hang ya up.
:D [/*]

Personally, I hope Social services gives her insurance for herself and the babies, support her until after the new baby arrives and is at an age she could feasibly get a job that will support all of them well. Then all the naysayers that are so worried about the donations can actually support her through your taxes.

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03-19-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Personally, I hope Social services gives her insurance for herself and the babies, support her until after the new baby arrives and is at an age she could feasibly get a job that will support all of them well. Then all the naysayers that are so worried about the donations can actually support her through your taxes. [/*]

:beer:

PerneciaJane

03-19-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Ok, here are just one case where the family thinks LE is at a stand still:

Family of Student Frustrated with Search (http://www.wptz.com/news/15409287/detail.html)

Another would be John Delatte. I cannot find the link at the moment but I know for a fact the family is frustrated as I have spoken with one of them.

These are just two. There are plenty. Some never even get news media at all. [/*]

Yes and Brad Hensley from IN, supposedly walked but was just found after what 2 years, in a pond only four miles from his home. Was it two years it for LE to search these ponds? He was found with his Jeep and all right there in his own back yard so to speak.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Most Important of all, this isnt about her. IF; you feel your husband is dead; then why did you continue to erase his presence online? Leave his things alone. There is a boundry issue there. I would never touch my husbands online accts, erase his photos and artwork. Smacks more of anger to me; to want to erase him and whatever he did online....

The most loving thing to do would be to reserach DH online tracks, see where that take you but to erase his pages? Take down his art?

Need I remind EVERYONE that just DAYS after NF left, CF changed her online profile photo, as this was top on her list a few days after. There is more here than just sugar cookies, IMO. And that's a fact.

Highly disturbing. Even to me. :eek: [/*]

I would do it too. Even Harlett recommended it and I guess Christine took her up on that advice. Again, some people here have dissected every aspect of every detail they have online. Its her husband. She has the right to take it all down and it was a smart move in my opinion.

PS - Still dont get the sugar cookie deal.

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03-19-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Amaryllis

So you are related to Christine? Since you say loved one.... I've always said that Nicholas was dead and that he was killed by someone he knew and trusted.....Not meaning her exactly...But she could know about it......When a woman disappears we always look at the husband/boyfriend and we disect him Christine should be no different.......I do agree with her that he is dead......But she should still be out looking and helping keep his picture up to keep Nicholas's picture in peoples mind.......

If he has walked away keeping him outthere in peoples mind might also help bring him home or alert LE to his where abouts.

MOO! [/*]

I never even heard of Christine or her family until the day she posted on the other site that her husband was missing. I watched that thread for days thinking a lot of the same things that people have thought. I looked at all of the links posted, started to form some opinions and then found this site.

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by decor

who told you she was sitting on the couch? how do you know what she is doing? [/*]

Initially? She did, in her postings / interviews. Now it is a metaphor for not taking action.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Whether or not LE has made the same assumptions and scenarios, they have 1) not considered Christine as suspect as far as we know
and
2) Do not proceed to drag her through the proverbial mud online for the whole world to see.

We as a board have been through this argument so many times that horse has been dead 100 times over BUT the fact remains. Speculating on certain things are not a problem for me personally. Nitpicking at the wife of a missing person on trivial things that mean nothing to this case is a different story. Everyone throws "This is a crime board" excuse out there every time one does it.

Hopefully many of you will not be eating crow one day. And if you are, hopefully you will at least be big enough to apologize. However, all the hateful statements are still left out there. Cant change that. [/*]

my opinions:

I agree with you Kindra that nitpicking on trivial things is unnecessary... but looking at her and her actions imo are necessary to understand what this man's life was like, considering that he did leave on his own.

The thing about foul play that bothers me, is that the person would have to be able to overtake a 6' athletic young man. So, IMO, his attacker had to be of sound mind (not drunk or high), bigger than him, stronger than him... which I kind of think rules out most bums that may have been around there...

that of course is assuming that the attacker did not use a weapon... now if a weapon was used, there should be some blood around where his car was parked...

ok so hear me out ---

Scenario 1.. attacker used a gun to lure him into the car: why would NF get into that car, why not just give him the keys, wallet, anything... unless it was personal, someone looking for a car isn't going to care if the owner goes with him, if his intentions are just needing to get away... if he wanted NF to go with him, i think his intentions would be to "not leave a witness"...

Also, in Brooklyn the other day, a politicians wife was attacked, he grabbed her and forced her back into her car, so she started honking the horn, and he ran away... so I think NF would have been aware of his options...

Scenario 2.. a knife (same thing i would think he would have to have been stabbed first, blood would be in the car)

Scenario 3... hit over the head with something, i think he would be more likely to be left unconcious on the side walk...

So these are my problems with foul play.. and even if this things happened in the car, there would be evidence... i can't see someone "keeping him somewhere" because what would be the point? it would be easier to be caught than to just leave him wherever the crime happened...

I don't know.. I have a hard time thinking he just up and left as well

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Yes and Brad Hensley from IN, supposedly walked but was just found after what 2 years, in a pond only four miles from his home. Was it two years it for LE to search these ponds? He was found with his Jeep and all right there in his own back yard so to speak. [/*]

Well at least you read that post PJ. lol. Thats another thing I dont get is google, search, find other male adult cases that are missing. You guys will see this is not unusual.

decor

03-19-2008, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Most Important of all, this isnt about her. IF; you feel your husband is dead; then why did you continue to erase his presence online? Leave his things alone. There is a boundry issue there. I would never touch my husbands online accts, erase his photos and artwork. Smacks more of anger to me; to want to erase him and whatever he did online....

The most loving thing to do would be to reserach DH online tracks, see where that take you but to erase his pages? Take down his art?

Need I remind EVERYONE that just DAYS after NF left, CF changed her online profile photo, as this was top on her list a few days after. There is more here than just sugar cookies, IMO. And that's a fact.

Highly disturbing. Even to me. :eek: [/*]

ahhh. but see if that had been done in the beginning none of those things would have disappeared. I think CF would have been as, or more, interested as everyone else to see what people came up with by checking his internet life. But instead all of the focus was put on Christine. I am sure she was hurt, angry and disappointed so she started removing stuff. I would have done the same thing. Now I wouldn't have stopped looking but would have done in a different way. Not mucsh gets accomplished when done in a negative manner.

PerneciaJane

03-19-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by decor

I hope that no one ever talks about any of your loved ones the way you talk about others. [/*]

Maybe the daughter in WV thing iIRC.

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Yes and Brad Hensley from IN, supposedly walked but was just found after what 2 years, in a pond only four miles from his home. Was it two years it for LE to search these ponds? He was found with his Jeep and all right there in his own back yard so to speak. [/*]

That's exactly why the family needs to take it on themselves to make things happen.

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03-19-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by frznwsalt

Initially? She did, in her postings / interviews. Now it is a metaphor for not taking action. [/*]

I'm sure she was depressed. what she not allowed to be?

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

my opinions:

I agree with you Kindra that nitpicking on trivial things is unnecessary... but looking at her and her actions imo are necessary to understand what this man's life was like, considering that he did leave on his own.

The thing about foul play that bothers me, is that the person would have to be able to overtake a 6' athletic young man. So, IMO, his attacker had to be of sound mind (not drunk or high), bigger than him, weaker than him... which I kind of think rules out most bums that may have been around there...

that of course is assuming that the attacker did not use a weapon... now if a weapon was used, there should be some blood around where his car was parked...

ok so hear me out ---

Scenario 1.. attacker used a gun to lure him into the car: why would NF get into that car, why not just give him the keys, wallet, anything... unless it was personal, someone looking for a car isn't going to care if the owner goes with him, if his intentions are just needing to get away... if he wanted NF to go with him, i think his intentions would be to "not leave a witness"...

Also, in Brooklyn the other day, a politicians wife was attacked, he grabbed her and forced her back into her car, so she started blowing the horn, and he ran away... so I think NF would have been aware of his options...

Scenario 2.. a knife (same thing i would think he would have to have been stabbed first, blood would be in the car)

Scenario 3... hit over the head with something, i think he would be more likely to be left unconcious on the side walk...

So these are my problems with foul play.. and even if this things happened in the car, there would be evidence... i can't see someone "keeping him somewhere" because what would be the point? it would be easier to be caught than to just leave him wherever the crime happened...

I don't know.. I have a hard time thinking he just up and left as well [/*]

Thank you Shimz for at least being a little open minded.

With the foul play thing.. since there is no evidence at all, its hard to say. However there could be a carjacking where your doors are unlocked and you are taken by surprise. When criminals do this, they are usually unpredictable so who knows what would happen next , nor their motive.

It could be that wherever they were at they just needed to get the heck out of dodge fast. So they jacked. Nick could identify them so he would have to go.

Just because there is no evidence in the car to me does not mean anything. They could have taken him somewhere secluded and gotten him out of the car and then killed him.

Also, yes, when someone is pointing a gun at you, people usually (not in all cases but usually) will do what they are told. That is how you overpower a fit and young man. There are so many things that could have happened if it were foul play, its hard to even tell what could have happened.

Nellie

03-19-2008, 11:10 PM

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by decor

she may have made some of it about herself but most of the people here made it more about her than she ever did. and they made his disappearance more about CF than they have about Nick. [/*]

Sorry decor....but are you kidding???
SHE made this all about her from the very beginning. Go back to the very first. The NG interview, the Greta appearance. Then everything that came after.
We, collectively here have tried and tried to keep the focus on Nicholas. And personally I resent you saying that 'we' have made it about her. :flamemad:
JMO<IMO<MOO!!!!!!

decor

03-19-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

my opinions:

I agree with you Kindra that nitpicking on trivial things is unnecessary... but looking at her and her actions imo are necessary to understand what this man's life was like, considering that he did leave on his own.

The thing about foul play that bothers me, is that the person would have to be able to overtake a 6' athletic young man. So, IMO, his attacker had to be of sound mind (not drunk or high), bigger than him, stronger than him... which I kind of think rules out most bums that may have been around there...

that of course is assuming that the attacker did not use a weapon... now if a weapon was used, there should be some blood around where his car was parked...

ok so hear me out ---

Scenario 1.. attacker used a gun to lure him into the car: why would NF get into that car, why not just give him the keys, wallet, anything... unless it was personal, someone looking for a car isn't going to care if the owner goes with him, if his intentions are just needing to get away... if he wanted NF to go with him, i think his intentions would be to "not leave a witness"...

Also, in Brooklyn the other day, a politicians wife was attacked, he grabbed her and forced her back into her car, so she started honking the horn, and he ran away... so I think NF would have been aware of his options...

Scenario 2.. a knife (same thing i would think he would have to have been stabbed first, blood would be in the car)

Scenario 3... hit over the head with something, i think he would be more likely to be left unconcious on the side walk...

So these are my problems with foul play.. and even if this things happened in the car, there would be evidence... i can't see someone "keeping him somewhere" because what would be the point? it would be easier to be caught than to just leave him wherever the crime happened...

I don't know.. I have a hard time thinking he just up and left as well [/*]

I agree with you. It is all too neat. I think he left too. And unless it was to protect his family then I think he is at fault completely. It doesn't matter if he left because of Christine. that would be their personal business. He had the choice to walk out and file for divorce. He really left her in a he** of a mess.

what part of Brooklyn did that happen in and was it day or night? I am always telling my daughter she should not be out by herself at night but she never listens and she is creeping towards 40. :(

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I think it would make a future employer feel sorry for her and hire her to help her out! :D [/*]

Usually though now days people wont hire you on the merit of empathy. If there is controversy and much of it, no matter what your skills are, they are likely to pass you up for another that will not bring unwanted attention to their firm. Just sayin.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

I think that is a good question, Cat. Really good.

LOL! Well, if you hop a flight out here to Seattle you just let me know. I'll meet you at the airport and take you to Starbucks! [/*]

And if you have the time, come to Oregon, or better yet, I'll come to Seattle, love the city.

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by decor

I'm sure she was depressed. what she not allowed to be? [/*]

Absolutely, but time's a'wastin'.
There was a case where a man disappeared, and his wife kind of let others do the searching. Eventually she went back to work. When the man was found, he WAS dead, but he hadn't been all along; he had been wandering around disoriented, and could have been saved.

decor

03-19-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Usually though now days people wont hire you on the merit of empathy. If there is controversy and much of it, no matter what your skills are, they are likely to pass you up for another that will not bring unwanted attention to their firm. Just sayin. [/*]

thank you kindra. you said it better than the way I was trying to say it.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you Shimz for at least being a little open minded.

With the foul play thing.. since there is no evidence at all, its hard to say. However there could be a carjacking where your doors are unlocked and you are taken by surprise. When criminals do this, they are usually unpredictable so who knows what would happen next , nor their motive.

It could be that wherever they were at they just needed to get the heck out of dodge fast. So they jacked. Nick could identify them so he would have to go.

Just because there is no evidence in the car to me does not mean anything. They could have taken him somewhere secluded and gotten him out of the car and then killed him.

Also, yes, when someone is pointing a gun at you, people usually (not in all cases but usually) will do what they are told. That is how you overpower a fit and young man. There are so many things that could have happened if it were foul play, its hard to even tell what could have happened. [/*]

OK so say NF gets in his car and leaves his door unlocked, i would think that the passenger door is still locked, because and I could be wrong, but i dont think there would be keyless entry, so he would manually unlock his car door... The person would have to either make NF slide over to the other seat (which I think the middle console or the dashboard would have some evidence of dirt or footprints because he was 6' and that was a tiny little car, not much space for that type of maneuvering...

or he unlocked the door for this person, why not speed off?

Maybe he was in a tight parking spot and he could not speed off, but then start honking your horn no? it would be very unfortunate luck for your cell phone to go dead. or when the guy walked around to the other side to be let in, get out yourself throw the keys, and run like he**...

I am sure there are so many more possibilities of what could have happened if it was foul play, but I am just saying things are a lot harder when it is aguy..

And that brings me to another point. Seattle is a busy place, why target a big guy, why not go for a petite woman, couldn't have been one far off...

JMO

Musterion

03-19-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That's just the point, LE doesnt even feel it's a "missing person" case....
[/*]

I don't know, Cat. The email you received yesterday didn't say that they didn't feel it wasn't a missing person's case. It said:

"At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco's disappearance was a result of foul play. So that's why he is not on the web site." from King County Sheriff’s Office.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news...issing_persons/

It seems, to my understanding, that they haven't decided yet if it is or is not foul play. JMO.

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 11:17 PM

Oh, for heaven's sake.

Not nearly this much attention would have been focused on wife if she didn't obsessively respond and chastise everyone who dared to have a thought about her and send her minions and sycophants to monitor her image throughout the web, to the point that people are even apologizing for suggesting any theories that may not conform to her version of reality.

There is some interesting psychological contruct related to people who assign themselves the job of purifying the name of someone absolutely unknown to them; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they identify absolutely and without question, and passionately.

decor

03-19-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by frznwsalt

Absolutely, but time's a'wastin'.
There was a case where a man disappeared, and his wife kind of let others do the searching. Eventually she went back to work. When the man was found, he WAS dead, but he hadn't been all along; he had been wandering around disoriented, and could have been saved. [/*]

but you don't know that the wife could have saved him. do you know whether the wife did the best she could? maybe that was all she was capable of. Maybe he was an awful husband and abused her and didn't want to find him.

this is my point, unless we are know everything, it s all assumption which I know is the way it works here. But because of that no one should be tried and judged because no one has all the facts. heck we don't even have half of the facts.

Musterion

03-19-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well I do follow plenty of missing persons cases and again no one listens to me, but this is not out of the ordinary for a missing adult male. So when you are assuming LE doesn't believe that its a missing person's case, that is a big assumption. Most of the time with adult males when there is no evidence, this is where it stands. Just like Nick's case. Where they wait for a lead. Where sometimes not alot of investigating is even done. Missing male adults are not a priority in a lot of cases. I have read on many cases where the family remains frustrated with LE involvement because of it.

Leaving the wedding ring is a stretch. Why would she even call LE then? I think logically I guess. [/*]

LOL! I listen! And I follow them, too. And it is not unusual. At all. I think Harlot says the same thing as well and doesn't seem to be listened to much!

Pam

03-19-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Sorry decor....but are you kidding???
SHE made this all about her from the very beginning. Go back to the very first. The NG interview, the Greta appearance. Then everything that came after.
We, collectively here have tried and tried to keep the focus on Nicholas. And personally I resent you saying that 'we' have made it about her. :flamemad:
JMO<IMO<MOO!!!!!! [/*]

:beer:

CF made this all about CF, not us! I never once heard her say in the first few interviews....she loved her husband.... not once heard a plea for him to call.... or if he's being held to let him call, etc.

It's all been her and what she's going through, and her finances and lack of.

It's also been asked if we were in her shoes would we want to be discussed the way she has been? If my husband was missing, tear me to shreds.... right down to the bone if it will help find him. I of course doubt very much I would be online reading it, as I would be doing everything I could to find him...or pushing people into helping me look.

IMO, MOO, JMO

Cury-us Coyote

03-19-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
ok, so we know that we are "30 steps behind LE", does anyone have any ideas on what that might be? what they may know? Do you think it has anything to do with something that may have found at the car?

**lost focus and now trying to get back on track** [/*]

Apparently LE learnings resulted in scaled back searches and no evidence of foul play to warrant/qualify listing Nicholas as missing on King Co website, imo.

IIRC allegedly LE
1) interviewed family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, apartment dwellers (where NF's car was found)
2) subpoened telephone records
3) examined financial activity
4) followed up on tips received - ie Enchanted Parkway Shell station night employee
5) likely reviewed videos from Costco, Safeway, airport, bus station, banks and other sources of video along anticipated routes
6) forenically examined interior and exterior of NF's car for seat and radio settings, evidence of where car had been, mileage since last maintenance etc.
7) perhaps reviewed criminal history of apartment residents
8) maybe contacted cab companies for service records near apartment building
9) likely faxed pictures of laptop, carrying case, and serial number to pawn shops
10) etc.
jmho

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

OK so say NF gets in his car and leaves his door unlocked, i would think that the passenger door is still locked, because and I could be wrong, but i dont think there would be keyless entry, so he would manually unlock his car door... The person would have to either make NF slide over to the other seat (which I think the middle console or the dashboard would have some evidence of dirt or footprints because he was 6' and that was a tiny little car, not much space for that type of maneuvering...

or he unlocked the door for this person, why not speed off?

Maybe he was in a tight parking spot and he could not speed off, but then start honking your horn no? it would be very unfortunate luck for your cell phone to go dead. or when the guy walked around to the other side to be let in, get out yourself throw the keys, and run like he**...

I am sure there are so many more possibilities of what could have happened if it was foul play, but I am just saying things are a lot harder when it is aguy..

And that brings me to another point. Seattle is a busy place, why target a big guy, why not go for a petite woman, couldn't have been one far off...

JMO [/*]

People get carjacked all the time. They dont have to come out with guns blaring. They could have taken him by surprise with a discreet gun in his side before he even got in the car. Things like this happen all the time.

I cant speculate as to the detail of how it happened, but yes, I do believe it was foul play. NO ONE has reported seeing him in over a month. There is no money trail. No anything. To me, that seems harder to believe than an instance of foul play in which LE has just not discovered what happened.

Unfortunately in my senario, Nick would not be alive. I do not wish that. I do hope I am wrong. It just seems more logical to me. Again, I could be wrong.

I do listen to all of your theories on him running away. For me, it just doesn't fit.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by decor

I agree with you. It is all too neat. I think he left too. And unless it was to protect his family then I think he is at fault completely. It doesn't matter if he left because of Christine. that would be their personal business. He had the choice to walk out and file for divorce. He really left her in a he** of a mess.

what part of Brooklyn did that happen in and was it day or night? I am always telling my daughter she should not be out by herself at night but she never listens and she is creeping towards 40. :( [/*]

It happened in Fort Greene and I was looking for a link for you but i can't find ANYTHING... i swear i JUST READ IT the other day... ARRGHH now its bothering me

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by decor

but you don't know that the wife could have saved him. do you know whether the wife did the best she could? maybe that was all she was capable of. Maybe he was an awful husband and abused her and didn't want to find him.

[/*]

No, she loved him very much. I'm just frustrated, because there are things I want to do for Nicholas, and I can't (search; light a fire under LE; hire a PI; call in TES), but Christine can, and I wish she would.

Miss Behavin

03-19-2008, 11:23 PM

Hi guys -

I've been lurking off and on :eek:

I've been hoping and praying for positive news along with everyone else.

I'm not as up-to-date as many of you are and I should probably go back and review this case from the beginning myself as I heard several of you discussing.

I do have a comment about the Texas Equasearch though. I read a previous post about them apparently telling Christine they don't search outside of Texas, did I interpret that correctly? It's my understanding that they go anywhere they're needed. I live in Ohio and I know firsthand they came here last summer to help in the search for Jessie Davis. They were still here when Bobby Cutts was backed into a corner and finally told the truth about where her body was.

Also, outside of this message board and her blog, there really hasn't been anything new in the news about this case that I'm aware of. I'm having a real problem with Christine's statements about Nicholas being dead. For some reason, she is convinced. I don't get that! How can she be so sure that he is dead? As a wife, that is the LAST thing I would want to think.

Anyway, it's probably my cynical nature and I apologize in advance, but if I were LE and knew she was convinced her husband was dead, I think I'd be investigating her. Does anybody know if she has been investigated by the Seattle Police Department? Have her phone records been checked to make sure she actually talked to Nicholas the day he disappeared? Anybody talk to the neighbors to find out if he came home at some point that evening? Has LE talked to their mutual friends? Family? Have bank records been looked at? His cell phone records? I remember hearing his cell phone was dead that day he disappeared, but since then - has LE checked to see if any activity has been logged on that phone? Has LE searched their home and made an inventory of what is there and what could possibly be missing?

Another thing I was kinda wondering about is this: IF Nicholas did just decide to walk away and leave his wife, I would think he would have to know by now that he is considered a missing person. So, if he was able to do so, why wouldn't he just come forward, at least to notify LE? That puzzles me.

Well, thanks alot for allowing me to vent. I'm sure I'll be back around with more thoughts and questions for ya! :seeya:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Coldwater
The above name is WHO THIS FORUM IS ABOUT.

Not Christine (only as is relative to the subject), so stop discussing HER. And it's not about a "Bella" so don't send me PM's asking why your posts are gone.

If there is nothing more about NICHOLAS why don't we close the whole till breaking news like we do with others. [/*]

Thank you CW. Point taken.

Maranatha

03-19-2008, 11:24 PM

Let's see, from what I've read:

The man is missing, that's a given.

LE is rude in not informing everyone of what they are doing. (Like you all have some right to know.)

The wife is not acting up to your standards and in others' opinions is devious if not outright lying.

She must be guilty of:

a) killing him
*) driving him off and knowing he's gone but not telling anyone
c) scamming people for some unknown financial gain

Has anyone called CPS? Obviously she's not capable of caring for her children. They should be taken away from her too!

Is that your next step?

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by decor

I don't think they will wade thru even 10 pages but they can just pick one and it will be mostly about Christine and I think they will get the gist of it.

You may think that employers are not using the internet to look people up but if you are in the younger generation you know that they are.

This is not the way it was in the 60's,70's,80's or 90's. things have changed big time.

and she lives in a relatively large city. I think I read somewhere the population is 2 million. [/*]

You quoted me and I see from your comment you either didn't read my whole post, or as usual, you are picking and choosing what to comment on. I don't know why, but please don't quote me anymore unless you read the whole context of my post and quote me accordingly.
And by the way, I'm not in the younger generation, but am intelligent and knowledgable about the way things things have changed. MOO<IMO<JMO

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

It happened in Fort Greene and I was looking for a link for you but i can't find ANYTHING... i swear i JUST READ IT the other day... ARRGHH now its bothering me [/*]

found something

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=79539

I swear unless I am dreaming, i read the other day that it was a politician's wife (like the mayor of some town in brooklyn) and that it was in fort greene... not too familiar with brooklyn since i live on the other side of the bridge, not sure how close fort greene and new utrecht are to each other

Maranatha

03-19-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Oh, for heaven's sake.

There is some interesting psychological contruct related to people who assign themselves the job of purifying the name of someone absolutely unknown to them; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they identify absolutely and without question, and passionately. [/*]

Indeed, for heaven's sake!

Lol, the same could be said about persecuting the name of someone absolutely unknown to them; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they identify absolutely and without question and passionately.

Gee, where did you C&P that? :seeya:

Musterion

03-19-2008, 11:32 PM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by decor

I have seen anger and hatred directed at Christine and sympathy and caring for Nick. EVEN if he walked out on his wife and kids and left them high and dry.
[/*]
Originally posted by KindraLore

This is what I never understood either. :shrug: [/*]

Me either.

desmom

03-19-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Coldwater

Obviously you are the only one! [/*]

I am reading, but I saw. Thanks for the reminder.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 11:36 PM

So let's say he DID walk away Decor ...

Why is CF saying he's dead, murdered and thinks they should check the water/lake?

Why isn't she doing whatever she can to locate him, so she can file for child support, alimony, etc.?

If she thinks he's dead, as she's claimed from the beginning, then used the word murdered, why wouldn't she put EVERY effort she can, into finding his body?

If he's walked away .. and she really knows it, why is she allowing the public to think she doesn't know?

If she's not SURE he walked away, she STILL should be finding him, for the kids, for support, etc. ...

What say you?

Musterion

03-19-2008, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.texasequusearch.org/contact_us.html

Maybe NF had tons of reasons to walk away. We've already in the past few weeks listed at least 50.
[/*]

Cat,

Is there one good reason. One, good or not, for Nicholas to have left his children? Without his love? Without his nurturing? Without his support emotionally, spiritually, mentally, physically and financially? I can't think of one. IMO.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:41 PM

Just an FYI. Some of yall are walking a fine line of getting the forum shut down. Just sayin.

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

People get carjacked all the time. They dont have to come out with guns blaring. They could have taken him by surprise with a discreet gun in his side before he even got in the car. Things like this happen all the time.

I cant speculate as to the detail of how it happened, but yes, I do believe it was foul play. NO ONE has reported seeing him in over a month. There is no money trail. No anything. To me, that seems harder to believe than an instance of foul play in which LE has just not discovered what happened.

Unfortunately in my senario, Nick would not be alive. I do not wish that. I do hope I am wrong. It just seems more logical to me. Again, I could be wrong.

I do listen to all of your theories on him running away. For me, it just doesn't fit. [/*]

A discreet gun in his side, he would have been alive and contacted police about it.
If the discreet gun was used there would be evidence, blood, a body. This doesn't make any sense to me whatever.
JMO

PerneciaJane

03-19-2008, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Sorry decor....but are you kidding???
SHE made this all about her from the very beginning. Go back to the very first. The NG interview, the Greta appearance. Then everything that came after.
We, collectively here have tried and tried to keep the focus on Nicholas. And personally I resent you saying that 'we' have made it about her. :flamemad:
JMO<IMO<MOO!!!!!! [/*]

I just watched those Video's of Nancy and Greta last night. CF simply answered the questions they ask her. That was my opinion and that is what most normal people do, just answer the questions.

As for the deal about the hair style the only difference I saw was the part was different , No big deal as the make up and hair are done by the Studio not the person. So the questions should be ask of the studio hairstylist WHY they changed the part in her hair.

Ask Nancy and Greta WHY THEY ask her those questions that she answered. All just my opinion and not an attack on anyone.

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

A discreet gun in his side, he would have been alive and contacted police about it.
If the discreet gun was used there would be evidence, blood, a body. This doesn't make any sense to me whatever.
JMO [/*]

I see what KL is saying, if he had a gun to his side, could have been pointing at him the whole ride, then made NF get out, walk into the woods (panther park) and .. well.. u know.. i don't like to think about that though...

I just think that I would start with panther park, panther lake, and move out... start from where the car was found.

Pam

03-19-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Cat,

Is there one good reason. One, good or not, for Nicholas to have left his children? Without his love? Without his nurturing? Without his support emotionally, spiritually, mentally, physically and financially? I can't think of one. IMO. [/*]

Sadly, fathers and mothers leave not only their spouses, but their children all the time....it's not unheard of. JMO

decor

03-19-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
Just an FYI. Some of yall are walking a fine line of getting the forum shut down. Just sayin. [/*]

and that is why I am not responding. everyone keeps asking me questions and want answers to what we were just told not to talk about.

Hedda Lettis

03-19-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I am reading, but I saw. Thanks for the reminder. [/*]

You aren't the only one who saw! All the sparring between posters gets really boring. I keep thinking, well, I'll just log off, but I hope that some little ray of new information or perspective will break through the clouds and give everyone something to think about constructively.

What I'd like to know is this: Why doesn't the public hear from Nick's family? His parents, I mean. Why aren't they pleading for information, or for him to return, just anything, so they can try to find their son?

If blood is thicker than water, what could be the reason for their silence?

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Musterion
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by decor

I have seen anger and hatred directed at Christine and sympathy and caring for Nick. EVEN if he walked out on his wife and kids and left them high and dry.
[/*]

Me either. [/*]

Because no one is here to speak for Nick. He is MISSING.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

A discreet gun in his side, he would have been alive and contacted police about it.
If the discreet gun was used there would be evidence, blood, a body. This doesn't make any sense to me whatever.
JMO [/*]

Maybe you dont understand what Im saying. You come out of work. You are walking to your car. At the same time Joe Criminal just robbed Jack Criminal (just a hypothetical scene so you understand what I'm saying). Joe is trying to get away . He walks up behind Nick and sticks a gun at his side right as he is about to get into his car. "Don't make a sound. Do what you are told or you are dead."

That is what I mean about someone sticking a gun in someone's side. Sometimes even criminals are discreet. Again, he didnt have to be killed in the car. He could have been taken to another location and out of the car.

The perp then uses his car for awhile. Maybe he knows someone in the condos. Does his errands here and there (maybe drug related). Then he leaves the car and goes on his way. Having experience in this sort of shady behavior, he wipes down the car and goes on his way.

Not that far fetched.

desmom

03-19-2008, 11:49 PM

Car jacking...

My problem with the car jacking is NF's size and the make and model of his car. I would think there would be newer cars on the street or parking lot and a woman would be a easier target than a 6' man.

jmo

ETA ~ Also why would a carjacker take NF with him? Wouldn't that be kidnapping?

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:51 PM

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Car jacking...

My problem with the car jacking is NF's size and the make and model of his car. I would think there would be newer cars on the street or parking lot and a woman would be a easier target than a 6' man.

jmo [/*]

You cannot put logic to criminal actions. There could have been many scenarios and his car may not have been the reason. With a gun, these people sometimes think they are powerful. No matter man or woman. And depending on their situation, they may not have time to pick and chose or dont want to.

If Nick wore a suit, maybe he looked well off to them. Maybe they were gonna rob him to start with and it went wrong. Vast theories on what could have happened that way.

dianaelaine

03-19-2008, 11:54 PM

Coldwater:

I was posting when you posted, so I missed what you said, until I refreshed.

I do have a question though:

How can we discuss the case without talking of his wife?

If we are to discuss a missing person case, she has much to do with it, especially when she DOES have so many inconsistencies, etc.

If it were a wife missing, we would be discussing the husband's character, inconsistencies, etc.

Just trying to understand just what we're to discuss and what we're not to discuss, and how we can separate one thing from another.

Thank you

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Why the massive out pouring and search by the community in OH for JEssie Davis, and this case nothing like that. Why? Why hasnt someone organized that at that park? That would have been the first thing I did to be honest. Most of the companies gave water and food for free when they searched for Jessie. We all called and emailed for their support for the search. :shrug:
CT [/*]

There was a list of searches that were going to be held.. iirc it was on the mars hill site, link

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/?s=nicholas+francisco

It says something about meeting at the costco in federal way... which brings it to costco again...

I had mentioned, maybe he could have made it to the costco in tukwila, maybe they didn't have the sugar so he went to another one, the one in federal way... and something happened there? I don'think that is totally off base? no?

Miss Behavin

03-19-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Why the massive out pouring and search by the community in OH for JEssie Davis, and this case nothing like that. Why? Why hasnt someone organized that at that park? That would have been the first thing I did to be honest. Most of the companies gave water and food for free when they searched for Jessie. We all called and emailed for their support for the search. :shrug:
CT [/*]

You're right, Cat! There was a massive outpouring for Jessie that started as a result of THE FAMILY banning together, getting her picture out, pleading for her return on the news every opportunity they had. That's the difference here, the family is not as involved.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:56 PM

Nellie

03-19-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

You cannot put logic to criminal actions. There could have been many scenarios and his car may not have been the reason. With a gun, these people sometimes think they are powerful. No matter man or woman. And depending on their situation, they may not have time to pick and chose or dont want to.

If Nick wore a suit, maybe he looked well off to them. Maybe they were gonna rob him to start with and it went wrong. Vast theories on what could have happened that way. [/*]

He was wearing jeans and tennis shoes when he dissappeared. Not a suit. That's what his "missing poster" says. Just trying to stay with the facts that we DO know! No need to speculate about what he was wearing....unless he changed clothes after work!

Shimz

03-19-2008, 11:57 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KindraLore

You cannot put logic to criminal actions. There could have been many scenarios and his car may not have been the reason. With a gun, these people sometimes think they are powerful. No matter man or woman. And depending on their situation, they may not have time to pick and chose or dont want to.

If Nick wore a suit, maybe he looked well off to them. Maybe they were gonna rob him to start with and it went wrong. Vast theories on what could have happened that way. [/*][/QUOTE

well one thing we do know is that he wasn't wearing a suit lol he was wearing a button down, jeans, and sneakers. :cool:

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

He was wearing jeans and tennis shoes when he dissappeared. Not a suit. That's what his "missing poster" says. Just trying to stay with the facts that we DO! [/*]

Thank you Nellie. I had forgotten what he was wearing. :)

Oregongal

03-19-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Maybe you dont understand what Im saying. You come out of work. You are walking to your car. At the same time Joe Criminal just robbed Jack Criminal (just a hypothetical scene so you understand what I'm saying). Joe is trying to get away . He walks up behind Nick and sticks a gun at his side right as he is about to get into his car. "Don't make a sound. Do what you are told or you are dead."

That is what I mean about someone sticking a gun in someone's side. Sometimes even criminals are discreet. Again, he didnt have to be killed in the car. He could have been taken to another location and out of the car.

The perp then uses his car for awhile. Maybe he knows someone in the condos. Does his errands here and there (maybe drug related). Then he leaves the car and goes on his way. Having experience in this sort of shady behavior, he wipes down the car and goes on his way.

Not that far fetched. [/*]

Thank you, when you explain it that way, I understand it much better than your previous post.
;)

SeattleEddie

03-19-2008, 11:58 PM

I watched the two interviews with Nicholas' mother last night. Her focus was entirely on Nick. She didn't say anything at all about her own problems, or her own agony, or her own feelings. She said several times, "he's in god's hands" and about praying for "the lord's will..." she told a story about him during his childhood. The interviewer asked what his home life was like. Her first words were: "My son is a very selfless individual." IMO, that's a clue.

KindraLore

03-19-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KindraLore

You cannot put logic to criminal actions. There could have been many scenarios and his car may not have been the reason. With a gun, these people sometimes think they are powerful. No matter man or woman. And depending on their situation, they may not have time to pick and chose or dont want to.

If Nick wore a suit, maybe he looked well off to them. Maybe they were gonna rob him to start with and it went wrong. Vast theories on what could have happened that way. [/*][/QUOTE

well one thing we do know is that he wasn't wearing a suit lol he was wearing a button down, jeans, and sneakers. :cool: [/*]

Thanks to you to Shimz. Nellie owes you a coke or however that goes. lol

PerneciaJane

03-19-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Coldwater

Obviously you are the only one! [/*]

Thank you Coldwater, I understand.

frznwsalt

03-19-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
in one interview I found the way that CF said "oh no he wouldnt go THERE" so my question from the get go was go there where at that condo, why did she say it like that anyway? CT [/*]
From what I can gather, Sanjaya, the American Idol contestant, is from there. :D

Shimz

03-20-2008, 12:00 AM

can i ask a question o/t

how come people type * instead of the letter.. i had seen birthday as *'day, and from A to * (a few posts ago)... i don't understand.. i am sorry

Musterion

03-20-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

There is some interesting psychological contruct related to people who assign themselves the job of purifying the name of someone absolutely unknown to them; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they identify absolutely and without question, and passionately. [/*]

Hm...Eddie.....

There is, also, some interesting psychological construct related to people who assign themselves the job of building a case against 'the wife' of a man who has gone missing; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they vehemently seem to abhor, condemn, ridicule and passionately look for ways to cast her in a bad light. JMO.

Come on now.....LOL!

Nellie

03-20-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you Nellie. I had forgotten what he was wearing. :) [/*]

YW!:)

KindraLore

03-20-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
If I were CF; I would network to a friend who had access to Equifax and running bureau's and I would run his weekly. If she cant afford a PI, then use ppl she does know in the financial circle downtown to run a check ev single week. Eventually his name is going to come up.

Unless of course he changed his name or is in fact
Dead.

Or has someone helping him $$ and if he has $$ from someone else, then he can stay away for awhile.

CT

We are concerned for Nicholas's welfare because of humanbehavior; because we know how ugly it can really be. Less than two weeks before he was "no more" he found out his 3rd child was on the way....they had one income.
One Income. Pressure right there. A reason for flight, for a fight too. [/*]

Actually you can do that online. I have credit monitoring myself. I suspect LE is keeping track of the financial though. MOO

KindraLore

03-20-2008, 12:03 AM

Well I'm off to bed. Later.

dianaelaine

03-20-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Yikes. You got big ones DE. I give you that. lol [/*]

---------------------------------------------

Just one adult asking another adult a simple question ... so we all can understand how to proceed.

:)

Musterion

03-20-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

People get carjacked all the time. They dont have to come out with guns blaring. They could have taken him by surprise with a discreet gun in his side before he even got in the car. Things like this happen all the time.

I cant speculate as to the detail of how it happened, but yes, I do believe it was foul play. NO ONE has reported seeing him in over a month. There is no money trail. No anything. To me, that seems harder to believe than an instance of foul play in which LE has just not discovered what happened.

Unfortunately in my senario, Nick would not be alive. I do not wish that. I do hope I am wrong. It just seems more logical to me. Again, I could be wrong.

I do listen to all of your theories on him running away. For me, it just doesn't fit. [/*]

I hope you're wrong, too. That is my scenario as well.

A person will most likely go along with anything if their family is being threatened. We don't know that he wasn't held up and went with them because they told him his family would be in danger if he did not. It has happened. JMO.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:10 AM

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Musterion

Hm...Eddie.....

There is, also, some interesting psychological construct related to people who assign themselves the job of building a case against 'the wife' of a man who has gone missing; someone whose habits and character they do not know, but with whom they vehemently seem to abhor, condemn, ridicule and passionately look for ways to cast her in a bad light. JMO.

Come on now.....LOL! [/*]

You are wrong Muster. I do not have feelings for anyone; as I explained a few days ago, I am not in relationship with these people, so it's quite absurd to assume that I "abhor" or "ridicule" or have "passion" about them.

I do however feel passionately that those without a voice should have advocates.

I don't understand the passion of the sycophants. But then, I don't understand diehard Republicans either. I don't have to understand everything.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Cat toy. I sent you a pm. :) [/*]

Totally O/T, and please forgive. But I have to ask -- what is up with all the posts about sending PM's? :shrug:

There is a notification system in place.

Just being helpful. :D

PerneciaJane

03-20-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by desmom
Car jacking...

My problem with the car jacking is NF's size and the make and model of his car. I would think there would be newer cars on the street or parking lot and a woman would be a easier target than a 6' man.

jmo

ETA ~ Also why would a carjacker take NF with him? Wouldn't that be kidnapping? [/*]

But that does happen over and over again. The college girls from NC, GA . But the one I am so angry about is Channon Christian and Chris Newsom. Carjacking robbery crime , you never know what a criminal may do. There is also the Gary Hiltons. There is no set standard on crime and NO way to know at this time what exactly happened to Nicholas. In my opinion nothing can be ruled out.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

You are wrong Muster. I do not have feelings for anyone; as I explained a few days ago, I am not in relationship with these people, so it's quite absurd to assume that I "abhor" or "ridicule" or have "passion" about them.

I do however feel passionately that those without a voice should have advocates.

I don't understand the passion of the sycophants. But then, I don't understand diehard Republicans either. I don't have to understand everything. [/*]

Oh. So sorry.

As a reader, I would have thought very much the otherwise.

You posted it, I just thought you bought it. Not thinking of the contrary of course.

Lol, are you are trying to turn this into your own personal soapbox?

Is CF a republican?

Danette44

03-20-2008, 12:19 AM

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Hey SeattleEddie, was that a new interview or were you watching the original one from weeks ago? If it's new, do you have a link?

TIA [/*]

NO, those were the old ones. One on Feb. 16 on KING 5 News and the other on Feb 20 on FOX.

Looking for the one short interview with the father. Already seen it a couple times, but, want to see if again.........

I have a theory he is with his dad in Vancouver. My opinion strictly.

need2no

03-20-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Ok I'll go first, I was writing when y'all were yakkin :D

I believe that NF DID come home that night. I believe there was a fight. I believe something happened, and he was harmed. That's what I've thought from the get go. I waffle, I'd like to believe he just walked away. But there is a lot of disturbing things that his spouse has said in her interviews that contradict what we DO know of NF, their finances and their marriage.

When you have a spouse going online and covering her tracks erasing her posts his posts and doing nothing but worrying about what ppl are writing about his case; not about him but about her, that's suspect. You cant just eliminate that aspect of a case of a missing person. We would have to delete the whole peterson thread if that were the case..................

CT [/*]

Just logging in and saw your post. Glad your surgery is behind you and you feel up to posting. :)

I've also considered NF went home on the 13th after work but it does seem like someone in the neighborhood would have seen his car and come forward to say so by now. Also I can't imagine petite CF being able to personally do anything physical to NF, especially with the kids around to witness it, and how would his body have been disposed of and the car taken away and hidden. This couldn't be accomplished alone and with 2 kids in tow, and the necessity of 2 vehicles. And CF surely wouldn't pile the kids in NF's car, drive it away and park it somewhere, then catch a ride home. Zea strikes me as a precocious child, why risk her seeing something and talking at some point? It's hard to hold onto a secret for very long at her age.

So I had to consider did he come home and meet up with foul play under the cover and in the privacy of his garage before he made it in the house? Or was he kidnapped in his garage? With either scenario, again, it seems like someone in the neighborhood would have witnessed something, or the kids would have heard daddy arrive home, or someone would have witnessed someone driving NF's car. Also if a perp wiped his fingerprints from the car he would have also wiped away NF's. The same holds true if he was nabbed before he left the street where he parked for work. Surely that is a busy street at that time of the day. It would seem if he did come home, some time would be needed to commit the crime and take care of all the coverup necessary in either of the above scenarios. Was 4 hours enough time to accomplish everything? Was the 10pm phone call to LE a cover to make it appear how worried she was she couldn't wait any longer to seek help?

I still don't believe the cell phone not working that day is a mere coincidence, nor is the fact that NF told co-workers his battery was dead. If this was a coincidence, what a streak of bad luck for NF and good luck for those involved in foul play....if this was what happened.

As for erasing/deleting...I think that might just be our, (the public's), punishment for the suspicion and the posts that have been less than 'supportive'. Could also be a way to discourage further interest in the case.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
LOL !!!
:beer:

I like you Seattle Eddie :D [/*]

Why yes! I'm sure you do! And I'll just stop there. :D

So ... what have you two posted that have to do with Nic?

desmom

03-20-2008, 12:24 AM

field of snow

03-20-2008, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Mine doesn't work. [/*]

Mine doesn't work either. :( People have to remind me to look when I haven't checked for awhile. I tend to only check when signing in, but during the day I've been just leaving the window open. I have the same issue with another website msg board.

Oregongal

03-20-2008, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Oh. So sorry.

As a reader, I would have thought very much the otherwise.

You posted it, I just thought you bought it. Not thinking of the contrary of course.

Lol, are you are trying to turn this into your own personal soapbox?

Is CF a republican? [/*]

I think you missed SE's point, point being he/she cares about NF and that NF has no voice. He/she has no hidden agenda here at all. Only agenda is finding Nicholas.
That's how I took the post.
JMO

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Mine doesn't work. [/*]

If you go into user cp, you can check a box to be notified with a popup of a pm. Its pretty easy actually.

I'm sure it works for everyone. :)

Good luck to ya! :seeya: Now ... back on topic!

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Oh. So sorry.

As a reader, I would have thought very much the otherwise.

You posted it, I just thought you bought it. Not thinking of the contrary of course.

Lol, are you are trying to turn this into your own personal soapbox?

Is CF a republican? [/*]

I don't understand your point.

but like I said.............

Shimz

03-20-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

If you go into user cp, you can check a box to be notified with a popup of a pm. Its pretty easy actually.

I'm sure it works for everyone. :)

Good luck to ya! :seeya: Now ... back on topic! [/*]

yes back on topic, i just want to point out that you have not mentioned NF in any of your posts today...

field of snow

03-20-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

NO, those were the old ones. One on Feb. 16 on KING 5 News and the other on Feb 20 on FOX.

Looking for the one short interview with the father. Already seen it a couple times, but, want to see if again.........

I have a theory he is with his dad in Vancouver. My opinion strictly. [/*]

You know...i've wondered this sooo many times. I've asked a few times about the efforts in Vancouver/Portland to locate him. As far as I know, TTT was the only one to post on craigslist for the area.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

If you go into user cp, you can check a box to be notified with a popup of a pm. Its pretty easy actually.

I'm sure it works for everyone. :)

Good luck to ya! :seeya: Now ... back on topic! [/*]

Some browsers/OS don't let this work with vBulletin.

But yes, let's get back to topic and see what you think about Nicholas. I am not sure I have had a chance to read that.

Pam

03-20-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Yes, and what are usually the reasons?

Their love has died
They have financial woes and they cant hack it
They want a different life
They are unhappy and dont have the mature tools to cope
On top of that; they find out another child is on the way.
They also are afraid so instead of doing things on the up and up
They Leave, silently.
It's easier. It's quieter. Its the easier softer way, for that party.
On the flip side of that; it's truly very painful to be on the receiving end of knowing that someone you thought you knew so well, could do such a thing. :shrug:

Maybe there was another lifestyle that NF wanted. I've known a few ppl in my lifetime where they surprised me too after 10 yrs...
I dont think you can ever really know a person; fully. That's what I took away from my exp.

I keep going back to the one income in this case.....and two weeks before finding out a third child is coming. Lay offs at his POE, possibly NF having to lay off his co workers, or a lay off of his own, we DO NOT KNOW....but those are two financial pressures right there; that are extremely intense, and reasons for leaving. Too bad there isnt the money there to have businesses along his route that night to look at their CCTVs....

:rose: [/*]

A lot of the reasons you listed are the reason's people leave. My aunt's best friend that walked away from her husband and children, just thought she wanted something else. She never said what....just something else. I guess the grass wasn't greener on the other side, because she did come back and expected her husband to welcome her back with open arms and forget what she did. That didn't happen, he ended up divorcing her after she returned. My aunt had a very hard time forgiving her for what she put her family through.

The second woman that I personally know that left her husband and children did so because she wanted someone else. She ended up marrying the second guy, had more kids with him and is now divorced from him. Go figure.

My husband's father left with no warning and was missing for 3 years before anyone finally heard from him (hubby remembers the night his dad left). Nobody really knows why he left, and he never told anyone from what I understand. That was back in the day when it was common for the woman to stay home with the kids and the man to support the family. He left a woman with 5 kids, no money and she didn't have a job.

You are so right that we never "really" know anyone. I've been married for over 20 years, but I don't even pretend to know every single thing, and thought my husband has....nor him with me. Who really knows what will be the final straw that makes any of us snap??

tulipmom

03-20-2008, 12:33 AM

http://tv.yahoo.com/the-familiar-stranger/show/9207/castcrew

" The Familiar Stranger " based on actual events. I have seen it several times now and still fail to understand how this man simply let his wife and children think he was dead. He walked away due to embezzlement charges. He let them suffer for years. Only by chance was he found all those years later by some fluke with social security I believe. So they were trying to take back the wife's benefits since he was still alive. He walked away and never looked back. His sons grew up without him and he began a new life with a new name. Pat Welsh ( but was found living under the name Tim Kingsbury )

So for all that think it can't be done or that NF would not do it. There are tons of people that can and do. Plus I think if they don't want to be found they might not ever be! Unless a ss# glitch happens.

Now with all of that said, I still am not convinced... yet. I have a problem with the four hours that evening before she contacted LE.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I think you missed SE's point, point being he/she cares about NF and that NF has no voice. He/she has no hidden agenda here at all. Only agenda is finding Nicholas.
That's how I took the post.
JMO [/*]

Thanks for your concern, but I have yet to miss SE's point. SE has an agenda that is VERY open ... and that agenda is for some reason to throw suspicion at CF. Actually, IMO, its more than that. SE accuses her of killing him or being such a shrew he left.

Then SE puts up psychobabble and gets offended when the meaning is turned around.

Its a crime board after all ... we all have opinions. And sometimes the posters have to be called out, lest the minions take things as fact.

That's all. No harm intended. But please never think that I miss a point. :)

Silver_Dove

03-20-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Coldwater:

I was posting when you posted, so I missed what you said, until I refreshed.

I do have a question though:

How can we discuss the case without talking of his wife?

If we are to discuss a missing person case, she has much to do with it, especially when she DOES have so many inconsistencies, etc.

If it were a wife missing, we would be discussing the husband's character, inconsistencies, etc.

Just trying to understand just what we're to discuss and what we're not to discuss, and how we can separate one thing from another.

Thank you [/*]

Personally I think she means all the posts about what will happen to CF if she tries to find a job and they see all the posts here about her, not the ones that speculate that she might know something, had an involvement or been the reason.

This is only my opinion and noticing that she posts right after all the "defense of CF" posts.

need2no

03-20-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

I don't understand your point.

but like I said............. [/*]

SE..when do you think NF showed up in Vancouver? Was his Dad just playing along when he showed for the search, or do you think NF just appeared there a few days or so later, with his walking away previously being unbeknowest to his father?

Shimz

03-20-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Thanks for your concern, but I have yet to miss SE's point. SE has an agenda that is VERY open ... and that agenda is for some reason to throw suspicion at CF. Actually, IMO, its more than that. SE accuses her of killing him or being such a shrew he left.

Then SE puts up psychobabble and gets offended when the meaning is turned around.

Its a crime board after all ... we all have opinions. And sometimes the posters have to be called out, lest the minions take things as fact.

That's all. No harm intended. But please never think that I miss a point. :) [/*]

Not one of your posts today mention NF.. yet you say to stay on the topic, tell me is your topic NF or criticizing other posters?

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Thanks for your concern, but I have yet to miss SE's point. SE has an agenda that is VERY open ... and that agenda is for some reason to throw suspicion at CF. Actually, IMO, its more than that. SE accuses her of killing him or being such a shrew he left.

Then SE puts up psychobabble and gets offended when the meaning is turned around.

Its a crime board after all ... we all have opinions. And sometimes the posters have to be called out, lest the minions take things as fact.

That's all. No harm intended. But please never think that I miss a point. :) [/*]

I think you haven't read my posts. I have never once suggested that wife killed him. I have not even thought that. and p.s. I am not offended by you. I just don't understand your point. There's a difference.

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

I don't understand your point.

but like I said............. [/*]

LOL!

"Like I said ....." Oh for crying out loud ... you just don't get it. :punch:

Like getting pm notifications, nothing that has been posted is complicated, unless your eyes or so blinded.

Now ... enough sniping. :) Y'all go find Nic.

Cury-us Coyote

03-20-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
I watched the two interviews with Nicholas' mother last night. Her focus was entirely on Nick. She didn't say anything at all about her own problems, or her own agony, or her own feelings. She said several times, "he's in god's hands" and about praying for "the lord's will..." she told a story about him during his childhood. The interviewer asked what his home life was like. Her first words were: "My son is a very selfless individual." IMO, that's a clue. [/*]

My impression of Nicholas, from his mother's perspective and very few words, is someone who is non-confrontation (based upon the bully marshmellow story). Perhaps NF avoids verbal disagreements or stressful situations and tries hard to please everyone with little regard for his personal needs. Does anyone know if the core values or behavior patterns of either NF or CF have changed drastically from what friends and family observed during teen years to becoming a young married couple? TIA

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Shimz

yes back on topic, i just want to point out that you have not mentioned NF in any of your posts today... [/*]

You're absolutely right!

That's because the only posts have been about Christine!

Oh ... and pm's. :)

Oregongal

03-20-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Just logging in and saw your post. Glad your surgery is behind you and you feel up to posting. :)

I've also considered NF went home on the 13th after work but it does seem like someone in the neighborhood would have seen his car and come forward to say so by now. Also I can't imagine petite CF being able to personally do anything physical to NF, especially with the kids around to witness it, and how would his body have been disposed of and the car taken away and hidden. This couldn't be accomplished alone and with 2 kids in tow, and the necessity of 2 vehicles. And CF surely wouldn't pile the kids in NF's car, drive it away and park it somewhere, then catch a ride home. Zea strikes me as a precocious child, why risk her seeing something and talking at some point? It's hard to hold onto a secret for very long at her age.

So I had to consider did he come home and meet up with foul play under the cover and in the privacy of his garage before he made it in the house? Or was he kidnapped in his garage? With either scenario, again, it seems like someone in the neighborhood would have witnessed something, or the kids would have heard daddy arrive home, or someone would have witnessed someone driving NF's car. Also if a perp wiped his fingerprints from the car he would have also wiped away NF's. The same holds true if he was nabbed before he left the street where he parked for work. Surely that is a busy street at that time of the day. It would seem if he did come home, some time would be needed to commit the crime and take care of all the coverup necessary in either of the above scenarios. Was 4 hours enough time to accomplish everything? Was the 10pm phone call to LE a cover to make it appear how worried she was she couldn't wait any longer to seek help?

I still don't believe the cell phone not working that day is a mere coincidence, nor is the fact that NF told co-workers his battery was dead. If this was a coincidence, what a streak of bad luck for NF and good luck for those involved in foul play....if this was what happened.

As for erasing/deleting...I think that might just be our, (the public's), punishment for the suspicion and the posts that have been less than 'supportive'. Could also be a way to discourage further interest in the case. [/*]

All you said are good points need, but I can't help but think of the Maria Laugterbach case and all that happened with that happened right under the nose of the neighbors and they had not a clue.
JMO

need2no

03-20-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Pam

A lot of the reasons you listed are the reason's people leave. My aunt's best friend that walked away from her husband and children, just thought she wanted something else. She never said what....just something else. I guess the grass wasn't greener on the other side, because she did come back and expected her husband to welcome her back with open arms and forget what she did. That didn't happen, he ended up divorcing her after she returned. My aunt had a very hard time forgiving her for what she put her family through.

The second woman that I personally know that left her husband and children did so because she wanted someone else. She ended up marrying the second guy, had more kids with him and is now divorced from him. Go figure.

My husband's father left with no warning and was missing for 3 years before anyone finally heard from him (hubby remembers the night his dad left). Nobody really knows why he left, and he never told anyone from what I understand. That was back in the day when it was common for the woman to stay home with the kids and the man to support the family. He left a woman with 5 kids, no money and she didn't have a job.

You are so right that we never "really" know anyone. I've been married for over 20 years, but I don't even pretend to know every single thing, and thought my husband has....nor him with me. Who really knows what will be the final straw that makes any of us snap?? [/*]

I agree, and another factor is we change as we age and what we wanted at 20 is not necessarily what we still want at 30.

Shimz

03-20-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

You're absolutely right!

That's because the only posts have been about Christine!

Oh ... and pm's. :) [/*]

That is not true, and you are contributing to reasons that some of the posts have not been on the topic.

I don't see you posting any helpful ideas or discussion about the matter of NF missing.

need2no

03-20-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

All you said are good points need, but I can't help but think of the Maria Laugterbach case and all that happened with that happened right under the nose of the neighbors and they had not a clue.
JMO [/*]

Hmm, good point, hadn't thought of that weird case when considering this scenario. BTW-where were their children when she shot him, I can't recall right now?

Pam

03-20-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

All you said are good points need, but I can't help but think of the Maria Laugterbach case and all that happened with that happened right under the nose of the neighbors and they had not a clue.
JMO [/*]

And there is the Nancy Kissel case. She killed her husband in the home with her kids and nanny in just the other room.

Sometimes fact is very much stranger than fiction :(

JMO

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by need2no

SE..when do you think NF showed up in Vancouver? Was his Dad just playing along when he showed for the search, or do you think NF just appeared there a few days or so later, with his walking away previously being unbeknowest to his father? [/*]

Good questions. That's why I want to take a look at the interview again. I don't know.

Yesterday at a Starbucks in downtown Seattle, I scrutinized a poor man sitting in a corner by himself, minding his own business, drinking a coffee. He looked like NF from the side. When he finally turned around to look in my direction, I saw he didn't look like him at all.

I really don't know why this disappearance is so compelling. Maybe because there are so many missing pieces. So many inconsistencies. Even, it appears, lies and deceptions. Too many protestations. Too much sugar (as CT would say).

frznwsalt

03-20-2008, 12:53 AM

I hope this isn't a case where we're missing the obvious because no one has asked the right question. Like, is anything of his missing from home; did he own a gun; did he leave a note.

I seem to remember some case was a big mystery, until the body was found; then it turned out the family had a suicide note all along.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 12:55 AM

Eddie -- Did you happen to see that photo on Nick's Flickr of the google earth/satellite image of his old neighborhood in Vancouver? He lived in the Minnehaha area. He "noted" several locations that meant something to him.

One thing I know is that I get homesick a lot down here in Florida (it's really not all that it is cracked to be living in tropical paradise year around) and want to just go home up north. Especially when I am stressed about things.

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

Good questions. That's why I want to take a look at the interview again. I don't know.

Yesterday at a Starbucks in downtown Seattle, I scrutinized a poor man sitting in a corner by himself, minding his own business, drinking a coffee. He looked like NF from the side. When he finally turned around to look in my direction, I saw he didn't look like him at all.

I really don't know why this disappearance is so compelling. Maybe because there are so many missing pieces. So many inconsistencies. Even, it appears, lies and deceptions. Too many protestations. Too much sugar (as CT would say). [/*]

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

Some browsers/OS don't let this work with vBulletin.

But yes, let's get back to topic and see what you think about Nicholas. I am not sure I have had a chance to read that. [/*]

Nah ... you like the secret society thing -- IMO.

I believe he was murdered. I've lived on QA/Mag 25+ years. When I think I've seen it all, I realize I haven't.

Lots of gangs here. Some of the most dangerous are the gangster wannabes. Some teens grab him. Show him to the "leader" and get "made". Hold him, dump his body. Drive the car around and dump it.

There's bodies out here that have been missing for decades that turn up.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by frznwsalt
I hope this isn't a case where we're missing the obvious because no one has asked the right question. Like, is anything of his missing from home; did he own a gun; did he leave a note.

I seem to remember some case was a big mystery, until the body was found; then it turned out the family had a suicide note all along. [/*]

I speculated that he left/sent a note that got misplaced. Not Delivered. Or ignored.

Not sure if it would be a Goodbye Note, an I Need a Break Note or a Suicide Note....

frznwsalt

03-20-2008, 12:59 AM

That's a good thought.

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 01:00 AM

Maranatha

03-20-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Beth

I repeat. Mine doesn't work. It freezes my screen and I've heard others say the same thing. Thanks anyway. [/*]

Maybe you should reinstall your browser. :)

Can you see my point about all the posts saying "I sent you a pm" and "Hoover your box"?

As you've said yourself, this is a crime board! :eek: Not a pm notification board.

need2no

03-20-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

Good questions. That's why I want to take a look at the interview again. I don't know.

Yesterday at a Starbucks in downtown Seattle, I scrutinized a poor man sitting in a corner by himself, minding his own business, drinking a coffee. He looked like NF from the side. When he finally turned around to look in my direction, I saw he didn't look like him at all.

I really don't know why this disappearance is so compelling. Maybe because there are so many missing pieces. So many inconsistencies. Even, it appears, lies and deceptions. Too many protestations. Too much sugar (as CT would say). [/*]

OK thanks for responding, I was just curious about your complete thoughts on NF going to Vancouver, and his Dad's knowledge in all this.

I understand about thinking the man looked like NF. My son plays baseball and I find myself scanning the crowd for NF at every game, even though I've never heard he had any interest in baseball, nor do I think he would come HERE to hide. :)

I do believe you have summed up the why regarding interest in this case. It seems that many MP cases sorta lean one way or the other and offer a few more clues. At the very least, a few credible people with some kind of last convo, sighting, or knowledge of depression, or some other recent 'life' problem, problematic background, some kind of helpful info, or LE and/or media updates....but not this case. Maybe we all enjoy a good challenge in our lives.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Nah ... you like the secret society thing -- IMO.

[/*]

Will someone please send poor Marantha a PM so she doesn't feel left out?

Shimz

03-20-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Nah ... you like the secret society thing -- IMO.

I believe he was murdered. I've lived on QA/Mag 25+ years. When I think I've seen it all, I realize I haven't.

Lots of gangs here. Some of the most dangerous are the gangster wannabes. Some teens grab him. Show him to the "leader" and get "made". Hold him, dump his body. Drive the car around and dump it.

There's bodies out here that have been missing for decades that turn up. [/*]

say it was a group of teens, if there was more than one of them in his car, it would seem that there would be SOME kind of evidence...

a shoe print, some kind of evidence that someone was in the back seat, or there was a struggle... fingerprints on the inside windows... just SOMETHING..

I am not saying that I don't think that is what happened, I really don't know, I just think that unless you are some kind of professional, a random crime is going to leave some evidence. fingerprints underneath the passenger door handle? just something. it is too clean imo.

If he was murdered, i am inclined to believe that it was something planned. who knows but People who are random tend to be more careless imo.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie

didn't see that. is it still up?

(OT - my dad lived in Clearwater, I thought it was beautiful!) [/*]

No, it was one of the pictures removed.

It's beautiful on vacation. I miss coming here on vacation!

PerneciaJane

03-20-2008, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by field of snow
Eddie -- Did you happen to see that photo on Nick's Flickr of the google earth/satellite image of his old neighborhood in Vancouver? He lived in the Minnehaha area. He "noted" several locations that meant something to him.

One thing I know is that I get homesick a lot down here in Florida (it's really not all that it is cracked to be living in tropical paradise year around) and want to just go home up north. Especially when I am stressed about things.
[/*]

I actually agree with the need to go home, old neighborhoods and can really see him with a family member. And yes FOS, I too get that feeling as I live in a big city and sometimes just have to go home. I actually have a need to feel Southern hospitality, to just talk with someone with a good ole southern accent, get a friendly hug.

So yes I can definitely see NF with a family member, but what I don't understand is why he would allow his wife to be accused and bashed the way he is allowing. To allow all those funds to be spent looking for him. To not even care that his babies are crying to see and talk to their Daddy. Only MOO

Shimz

03-20-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Maybe you should reinstall your browser. :)

Can you see my point about all the posts saying "I sent you a pm" and "Hoover your box"?

As you've said yourself, this is a crime board! :eek: Not a pm notification board. [/*]

maybe if you want to scold everyone you should PM them instead of taking focus of the whole board off of NF

Oregongal

03-20-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

Will someone please send poor Marantha a PM so she doesn't feel left out? [/*]

Go for it snow. :lol:

need2no

03-20-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by frznwsalt
I hope this isn't a case where we're missing the obvious because no one has asked the right question. Like, is anything of his missing from home; did he own a gun; did he leave a note.

I seem to remember some case was a big mystery, until the body was found; then it turned out the family had a suicide note all along. [/*]

Interesting thought about a suicide note perhaps not being mentioned, (or asked about). I recall a case where the man tried to set up his suicide where it would appear to be an accident so his wife and children could receive his life insurance benefits. He left his wife a goodbye note and told her to destroy it before calling LE.

Oregongal

03-20-2008, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Interesting thought about a suicide note perhaps not being mentioned, (or asked about). I recall a case where the man tried to set up his suicide where it would appear to be an accident so his wife and children could receive his life insurance benefits. He left his wife a goodbye note and told her to destroy it before calling LE. [/*]

Ahhh, now there's another thing to think about.
Except wouldn't he want his body found so CF and kids would get the benefits right away?
:shrug:

need2no

03-20-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Ahhh, now there's another thing to think about.
Except wouldn't he want his body found so CF and kids would get the benefits right away?
:shrug: [/*]

True, but maybe he thought it would be found quickly.

field of snow

03-20-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I actually agree with the need to go home, old neighborhoods and can really see him with a family member. And yes FOS, I too get that feeling as I live in a big city and sometimes just have to go home. I actually have a need to feel Southern hospitality, to just talk with someone with a good ole southern accent, get a friendly hug.

So yes I can definitely see NF with a family member, but what I don't understand is why he would allow his wife to be accused and bashed the way he is allowing. To allow all those funds to be spent looking for him. To not even care that his babies are crying to see and talk to their Daddy. Only MOO [/*]

Well it's been my thought/opinion that he is mentally screwed up one way or another. He snapped and cannot take the pressure of being perfect and happy anymore and the workload and financial issues finally just broke him. Maybe whatever family member he is with (if any) feels they are helping and protecting him by keeping him from others right now.

I also brought up fugue states the other day. I read some about how there have been people who have gone back to an earlier time in their lives while in this fugue. Maybe like a happier no-responsibility time?

Or he could just be one of those guys who went back to hook up with his high school sweetheart. He did leave Vancouver to go to college right and met CF there almost right away? Not sure of that timeline?

PerneciaJane

03-20-2008, 01:21 AM

I have been reading the online articles that have been posted including some of the newspaper and blog comments.

There is a lot of controversy about Mars Hill members and their teachings . I hope this is not against TOS and maybe that is why it has not been investigated here. I hope this is not a bannable post because I do not mean it that way.

Mars Hill is noted by Seattleites as being against Homosexual behavior.
Someone posted that the Art trades are very well known to be very pro Homosexual traits.

It is possible Nicholas was a victim of a hate crime simply because he was a known Mars Hill member.

need2no

03-20-2008, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

Well it's been my thought/opinion that he is mentally screwed up one way or another. He snapped and cannot take the pressure of being perfect and happy anymore and the workload and financial issues finally just broke him. Maybe whatever family member he is with (if any) feels they are helping and protecting him by keeping him from others right now.

I also brought up fugue states the other day. I read some about how there have been people who have gone back to an earlier time in their lives while in this fugue. Maybe like a happier no-responsibility time?

Or he could just be one of those guys who went back to hook up with his high school sweetheart. He did leave Vancouver to go to college right and met CF there almost right away? Not sure of that timeline? [/*]

But if a person 'snaps' like that are they mentally capable of planning and pulling off a getaway without a mere clue left behind?

invreporter1105

03-20-2008, 01:26 AM

I absolutely hate getting involved in board disputes. However, it is obvious to me that the posters complaining about what other posters say/do should stay on topic. I am sure there is a place here under a different category where you can discuss things that are off topic.

Who cares who pm's who, or who dismisses other people's thoughts, or what people's opinions are?

I think the focus should be on finding Nicholas Francisco. Why are 85% of you discussing everything but him?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am looking for facts rather than opinions anyway. Someone's opinion really amounts to nothing at all.

It is very frustrating for me to try and sift through all of the posts while having to read things that are way o/t. What should take a little while to read turns into hours because of the o/t posts.

:no:

field of snow

03-20-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by need2no

But if a person 'snaps' like that are they mentally capable of planning and pulling off a getaway without a mere clue left behind? [/*]

I wouldn't think so, but reading up on the Fugues, it has been very possible for many people. It was said that it is a survival type instinct or something.

:shrug:

Edited to add that whenever I type fugue I feel like I am discussing music. :-D

mc528

03-20-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by invreporter1105
I absolutely hate getting involved in board disputes. However, it is obvious to me that the posters complaining about what other posters say/do should stay on topic. I am sure there is a place here under a different category where you can discuss things that are off topic.

Who cares who pm's who, or who dismisses other people's thoughts, or what people's opinions are?

I think the focus should be on finding Nicholas Francisco. Why are 85% of you discussing everything but him?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am looking for facts rather than opinions anyway. Someone's opinion really amounts to nothing at all.

It is very frustrating for me to try and sift through all of the posts while having to read things that are way o/t. What should take a little while to read turns into hours because of the o/t posts.:no: [/*]

I think, IMO, one of the main reasons that the threads here seem to venture off of the sole topic of NF and his disappearance alone, is because there are so few known and corraborated facts that have been made public. I truly believe everyone is indeed concerned about finding Nic, but with literally only a handful of real facts (that have been verified by multiple sources) there is bound to be a lot of speculation in order to try and fill in the missing pieces to this puzzle. MOO/JMO

Nellie

03-20-2008, 01:40 AM

Oregongal

03-20-2008, 02:34 AM

SeattleEddie, you box is full.

SeattleEddie

03-20-2008, 03:07 AM

done, thx

GrlRusty

03-20-2008, 03:37 AM

I have been lurking here for sometime now, and just trying to keep up with any new info. I am wondering if anyone knows if it has been confirmed if NF was to be a part of the "layoffs"?

I also searched the John Delatte website and found this info

"The Chastant family is hosting a garage sale for the Delatte family.

John Delatte has been missing since Mardi Gras night. His wife, Melissa, is six months pregnant and has three children. She is a stay-at-home mother whose only source of income was from her husband's job.

Melissa's family is hosting a garage sale to raise money to help with any expenses she has at this time.

Also, any monetary donations will be appreciated.

FRIDAY 2/29 AND SATURDAY 3/1
OAK COVE ESTATES
3117 MARY DRIVE
MARRERO, LA 70073

Doesn't seem too different than CF getting donations and yes they even have where you can donate online to a PayPal account. Don't mistake this for defending CF, but I'm just saying.........

starling

03-20-2008, 04:48 AM

Is this the same Federal Way ?
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_031908WAB_trunk_body_federal_way_KC.956fef5.htm l
Woman found dead in trunk of her own car
Death being investigated as a homicide

faraway

03-20-2008, 05:02 AM

Something just struck me : (true story)

I used to have a neighbor, a cheerfull lady, she had 4 small children from three different men. She did everything for her kids and in my eyes did a wonderful job.
She just couldn't settle down with one man in her life.
The last man she was with , proposed , she accepted and a wedding was planned.

She seemed very happy to me and so were the children. Honestly, I saw her everyday and all was well....she never complained and seemed excited about the wedding.

Then one day she went out for a drink with a few girlfriends, met a young guy...fell head over heels for him...and 2 ( yes ! two) days later she left her house, her children ( the youngest was 6 months!!!) her fiance....and moved in with her new younger version.

A week later her mother who had taken care of her children for a week , got a letter in the mailbox that she now had full responsibility for the children .
She signed them over to her !!!
we were all stunned, no one saw it coming..... for a mother to leave her 4 kids !!! I still can't believe it.

The grandmother still has the children now, but the respective fathers are all helping out as well....and the mother is gone ( but not missing in this case)

what I was thinking is : if a mother can do it ..so can a father ! [/*]

the family is angry but get on with life , friends are no longer friends and the children are very loved and taken care of.

In the case of Nicholas :
they have the internet , a way for them to communicate.
Perhaps a way to be angry ? by taking down pictures, by not posting picturs of your husband, by surfing the boards and leaving comments ..hoping that the "missing" husband reads them ???

I might be way off ...but then I'm no expert... I was just thinking of possible scenarios....

If he just gets in "another car" then there would be no evidence in his....he kept his own laptop... gets a new online identity ....
????????