Wednesday-03/19/08

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


I use several, one is above the screen while another machine has it in the screen area.

Some of these cameras use a convex lens which would give a distorted view from the side..(rounded view)..kind of like the side convex mirrors on a car door do. [/*]
I noticed that the BofA ATM that Maria used had only one machine where she stood, and the angle of the shots seemed to be taken from below looking upward.

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


Yes, and depends on the camera. When Eve Carson's ATM card was used at her bank at a drive through, it showed enough depth to reveal a shadow in the back seat of the SUV.

The important part of the camera is to show a straight on shot of the person using the ATM.

As I said, someone could stand by me and cover the lens at my Atm. [/*]My ATM also donna. It would be easy for someone to cover the lens.

Interesting thinking going on with the ATM. What was the date of this ATM video was it Christmas Eve? I can't remember.

[baywench]

With the Christmas party being on the 14th and Maria deciding not to attend is it possible that someone in her office (maybe as Secret Santa thing) gave her something for the baby? It would have probably been still in the car.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
My ATM also donna. It would be easy for someone to cover the lens.

Interesting thinking going on with the ATM. What was the date of this ATM video was it Christmas Eve? I can't remember. [/*]

Hi, hinman!

Yes, Christmas Eve, IIRC.

:(

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, nuttin!

Yes, those pictures were sharp.
I wish the pics at the MFCU were sharper! Not trying to put you on the spot, but since you have seen the ATM in question in person, do you think someone could have been facing the wall on the side of the ATM and reached in to cover the camera lens?

BTW - thank you for all of the pics!

:) [/*]

Hey donna!

Yes, that one is large enough for someone to stand to the side and put a rag over the lens.

The other one at PG shopping center isn't since there's a Cash Point's ATM adjoining the MFCU one.

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by baywench
With the Christmas party being on the 14th and Maria deciding not to attend is it possible that someone in her office (maybe as Secret Santa thing) gave her something for the baby? It would have probably been still in the car. [/*]I would say it is possible. With Christmas just about a week away, I wonder if it was a Christmas gift?/

Of course then I wonder why CL went through the trouble of taking that out of her car.

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hey donna!

Yes, that one is large enough for someone to stand to the side and put a rag over the lens.

TY, nuttin! Then my theory goes back to 2 people at the ATM!

The other one at PG shopping center isn't since there's a Cash Point's ATM adjoining the MFCU one.

JMO [/*]

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, hinman!

Yes, Christmas Eve, IIRC.

:( [/*]Do you remember if he had his bonfire Christmas eve I thought he did?

I wonder if it was someone who attended that bonfire also.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I noticed that the BofA ATM that Maria used had only one machine where she stood, and the angle of the shots seemed to be taken from below looking upward. [/*]

I'm thinking it's not the BoA ATM she used. In the background of the BoA, you should have seen at least part of the pawn shop that's there.

When I went to the MFCU one, the stores that were in the background were the same as the ones we saw in the video version, plus the same truck was present in both Maria's usage of the ATM and in the one I took from the angle the camera saw.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hey donna!

Yes, that one is large enough for someone to stand to the side and put a rag over the lens.

The other one at PG shopping center isn't since there's a Cash Point's ATM adjoining the MFCU one.

JMO [/*]


But could they tell from the side exactly where the lens is?

I mean, were they just lucky they hit right on it the first time?

[henry]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, hinman!

Yes, Christmas Eve, IIRC.

:( [/*]

and that nite the bonfires started . . . :flamemad:

edit - hinman - just saw your question!

edit edit - nuttintodo - just saw your answer!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
Do you remember if he had his bonfire Christmas eve I thought he did?

I wonder if it was someone who attended that bonfire also. [/*]

Wasn't there a total of three? Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve or am I thinking wrong?

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by old_lady


I know. ATMs scare me. I really feel vulnerable. I race back to my car, lock the doors, and start to breath again. [/*]

Oh me too! Now I'm not so embarrassed that somebody else feels that way! :lol:

[strick10]

Originally posted by baywench
With the Christmas party being on the 14th and Maria deciding not to attend is it possible that someone in her office (maybe as Secret Santa thing) gave her something for the baby? It would have probably been still in the car. [/*]

I don't think so. I personally have never been to a unit party that does the secret santa thing. I've been to a unit xmas party where the parents bought a gift for their kid(s) and brought it in the day of the party so santa could give it the the child. She left work at about noon and spoke to her mom about 2:30. Maybe she went to the BX after work . Maybe she went to a store after her convo w/ her mom and before she went to the teller. :shrug:

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry


and that nite the bonfires started . . . :flamemad: [/*]Thanks henry:seeya:
I thought the bonfires started that night. So could the mystery person been at that bonfire, something tells me yes.

Does anyone know if you can see anyone in the truck when it is driving away? Can you even see the truck driving away?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm thinking it's not the BoA ATM she used. In the background of the BoA, you should have seen at least part of the pawn shop that's there.

When I went to the MFCU one, the stores that were in the background were the same as the ones we saw in the video version, plus the same truck was present in both Maria's usage of the ATM and in the one I took from the angle the camera saw.

JMO [/*]
This was the screen cap I got when they were reporting that this was where Maria had last been seen, as captured on video.
http://i30.tinypic.com/28le5qv.jpg

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006



But could they tell from the side exactly where the lens is?

I mean, were they just lucky they hit right on it the first time? [/*]

I'm thinking it's obvious that CAL has used that particular ATM on numerous occasions, IMO. Who knows, he may have walked up to the ATM and looked at the camera, etc. and took his best shot and apparently it worked. :shrug:

I know when I walk up to any ATM, I can always see where the camera is.

[baywench]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't think so. I personally have never been to a unit party that does the secret santa thing. I've been to a unit xmas party where the parents bought a gift for their kid(s) and brought it in the day of the party so santa could give it the the child. She left work at about noon and spoke to her mom about 2:30. Maybe she went to the BX after work . Maybe she went to a store after her convo w/ her mom and before she went to the teller. :shrug: [/*]

Yes could be. The thought came to me because of the fact that no baby items were mentioned before this. But of course, that doesn't mean there weren't any. Just that we don't know for sure. Drat....I hate being amateur sleuths with no authority!

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
Thanks henry:seeya:
I thought the bonfires started that night. So could the mystery person been at that bonfire, something tells me yes.

Does anyone know if you can see anyone in the truck when it is driving away? Can you even see the truck driving away? [/*]

:seeya: it's a riot everyone trying to "confirm" facts! i'm asking for a whiteboard for the next holiday . . . didn't lle say somewhere that the person with cesar at lowe's was interviewed and not involved . . . iirc?

[crymeariver2006]

Remembering RS also said they had not found all of Maria's belongings (i.e. her glasses, the Dayton sweatshirt?).

If this card got discarded somewhere, who's to say this guy didn't just find the card and attempt to use it?

I'm not saying the guy at the ATM is Cesar and I'm not saying it's not. All I'm saying is why wait until the 24th to try and use the card?

[hinman]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm thinking it's obvious that CAL has used that particular ATM on numerous occasions, IMO. Who knows, he may have walked up to the ATM and looked at the camera, etc. and took his best shot and apparently it worked. :shrug:

I know when I walk up to any ATM, I can always see where the camera is. [/*]Is the pic where you can see him and the one where he is covering the lens the same day and same time?

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
I would say it is possible. With Christmas just about a week away, I wonder if it was a Christmas gift?/

Of course then I wonder why CL went through the trouble of taking that out of her car. [/*]

If it was a gift given to her that day or if she purchased it I can see her wanting to show it to people. She may have wanted to show CAL. You're right, why bother taking it from the car. Why not take the baby item and the bear too.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
Do you remember if he had his bonfire Christmas eve I thought he did?

I wonder if it was someone who attended that bonfire also. [/*]

:eek:

I don't know. It is certainly possible! (maybe Mrs. L?)

What a great deal of money the Laureans spent in December! They had people over for a bonfire on IIRC, Christmas Eve or thereabouts, then another one at New Years. I suppose it would be a BYOB or bring your own beer, but I would think there would be snacks and/or food! I think the bonfires covered two purposes - 1.) To make the fire pit appear to have been used as just a firepit, and for CAL to have all his best buds over because he was going away and would not be seeing them again!

The items CAL bought at Lowe's were not cheap either. Plus they would spend money on gifts for their respective families, for each other, and for Abrianna.

I would like to know where MRS. Laurean thought all of this money was coming from!!!!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

This was the screen cap I got when they were reporting that this was where Maria had last been seen, as captured on video.
http://i30.tinypic.com/28le5qv.jpg [/*]

And look! There's a black truck in the background!

:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by henry


:seeya: it's a riot everyone trying to "confirm" facts! i'm asking for a whiteboard for the next holiday . . . didn't lle say somewhere that the person with cesar at lowe's was interviewed and not involved . . . iirc? [/*]

Yes I recall that too Henry.

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry


:seeya: it's a riot everyone trying to "confirm" facts! i'm asking for a whiteboard for the next holiday . . . didn't lle say somewhere that the person with cesar at lowe's was interviewed and not involved . . . iirc? [/*]yup, I think they said said they had interviewed him several times. Now the Lowe's video I think was taken at a different time then the ATM video but I could be wrong.

I don't know why I bother trying to confirm facts because they change daily:D

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
I would say it is possible. With Christmas just about a week away, I wonder if it was a Christmas gift?/

Of course then I wonder why CL went through the trouble of taking that out of her car. [/*]

remember captain rsutherland said there are still items of maria's they can't locate . . . he probably went thru the car with a fine tooth comb but also tried to make it look "normal" . . . isn't cesar also being charged for trying to sell the car?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


Yes could be. The thought came to me because of the fact that no baby items were mentioned before this. But of course, that doesn't mean there weren't any. Just that we don't know for sure. Drat....I hate being amateur sleuths with no authority! [/*]

I know! We shoudda got badges or sumptin!

:cuss:

[baywench]

Originally posted by henry


remember captain rsutherland said there are still items of maria's they can't locate . . . he probably went thru the car with a fine tooth comb but also tried to make it look "normal" . . . isn't cesar also being charged for trying to sell the car? [/*]

Henry you are so smart. Of course, he wouldn't leave the baby clothes in there because he would know Maria wouldn't! I remember RS saying they knew whether or not she had baby items but of course that tells us nothing. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Wasn't there a total of three? Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and New Year's Eve or am I thinking wrong?

jmo [/*]

Yes, there were three, and I think those days are correct.

Reason I remember it so well is because of Nancy Grace ranting and raving about CL's "three day barbecue"....:cuss: (just another of her incorrect facts.....three different days of having a bonfire translated to her as a three day barbecue :rolleyes: ).

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry


remember captain rsutherland said there are still items of maria's they can't locate . . . he probably went thru the car with a fine tooth comb but also tried to make it look "normal" . . . isn't cesar also being charged for trying to sell the car? [/*]

No, he isn't being charged with trying to sell the car.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

This was the screen cap I got when they were reporting that this was where Maria had last been seen, as captured on video.
http://i30.tinypic.com/28le5qv.jpg [/*]

Yes I have the same picture, but compare that one to these: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_03jan2313102.gif

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_02jan2419002.gif

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/MariaATM121407-1.jpg

And if you want to, please put them all side by side, Ivy. TIA

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


Henry you are so smart. Of course, he wouldn't leave the baby clothes in there because he would know Maria wouldn't! I remember RS saying they knew whether or not she had baby items but of course that tells us nothing. IMO [/*]

I'm not understanding....."he wouldn't leave the baby clothes in there because he would know Maria wouldn't"???

Also, he is not charged with trying to sell the car.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Same day, time is off by about 1m 20 sec. Appeared as if 1st time something didn't go right then he appeared full front for another transaction on original videos.

IIRC they said "he attempted to use it the 24th" and it didn't work for some reason. no link sorry. [/*]Thanks Lyn_T I remember them saying that.

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Yes, there were three, and I think those days are correct.

Reason I remember it so well is because of Nancy Grace ranting and raving about CL's "three day barbecue"....:cuss: (just another of her incorrect facts.....three different days of having a bonfire translated to her as a three day barbecue :rolleyes: ). [/*]

I can't even watch NG anymore. She's so into proving to everyone she's a raving **tch that she has lost all objectivity. And her facts are wrong so much of the time. She drove me crazy with the Mccann case. IMO

[henry]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I know! We shoudda got badges or sumptin!

:cuss: [/*]

i found the pajama ones a long time ago (maybe 4 weeks ago) for opening remarks . . . do you want the link?

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by hinman
I would say it is possible. With Christmas just about a week away, I wonder if it was a Christmas gift?/

Of course then I wonder why CL went through the trouble of taking that out of her car. [/*]



If it was a gift given to her that day or if she purchased it I can see her wanting to show it to people. She may have wanted to show CAL. You're right, why bother taking it from the car. Why not take the baby item and the bear too.

__________________
IMOO

In my opinion anything that had to do with the word baby or thoughts of baby he wanted to get rid of.. I indeed think she got that baby outfit or whatever as a gift and it was in the car.. I do not think she went to CL's with it at all
of course jmo..

[henry]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


No, he isn't being charged with trying to sell the car. [/*]

hmmm - let me go back & see where i remember that from - i may not be back for an hour! (is that good or bad:) )

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


And look! There's a black truck in the background!

:D [/*]

Hehehe, that's Ford Ranger/Mazda (that look like the Ranger's) and the one in the background of Maria's transaction is a Blue Chevrolet.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/DV126.jpg

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I'm not understanding....."he wouldn't leave the baby clothes in there because he would know Maria wouldn't"???

Also, he is not charged with trying to sell the car. [/*]

If he took evidence out of Maria's car and was trying to make it look like it was being sold he would have taken the baby clothes. If Maria was selling it and had cleaned it out to sell she would have taken the baby clothes. ie it would look strange for her to run off and not take them with her. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


I can't even watch NG anymore. She's so into proving to everyone she's a raving **tch that she has lost all objectivity. And her facts are wrong so much of the time. She drove me crazy with the Mccann case. IMO [/*]

I know. It's really disgusting. Her "rage" is bad enough, but it's getting those facts wrong that is unforgiveable, really. I often think about people who watch her show who may someday be on someone's jury.....:o It's really a shame.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


If he took evidence out of Maria's car and was trying to make it look like it was being sold he would have taken the baby clothes. If Maria was selling it and had cleaned it out to sell she would have taken the baby clothes. ie it would look strange for her to run off and not take them with her. IMO [/*]

TY, okay I gottcha. I didn't understand henry's post. Well that's based on the premise that HE was the one trying to sell her car, though, right? And we don't know that for a fact?

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't know. It gives me a weird feeling for us on here to publicly sorta "investigate" someone who may be totally innocent of anything at all related to this case. :shrug:

But like I said I haven't read all posts from today yet, especially this morning. Will read back. I don't know how better to explain what I mean, just a strange feeling about it. [/*]

I'm with you, SS. I've signed a few marriage licenses in my time as a witness for friends...maid of honor kind of stuff. I would hate to think that if something happened that I could be identified and checked out by posters on a MB. Especially if LE hadn't named me as a suspect...murky waters here for me.

It's all speculation, I understand that, but it still bothers me. JMO.

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


TY, okay I gottcha. I didn't understand henry's post. Well that's based on the premise that HE was the one trying to sell her car, though, right? And we don't know that for a fact? [/*]

IIRC someone in LE talked about that. But I can never profess to remember like some of you so don't hold me to it. I can tell you everything that happened 10 years ago and pretty much nothing about what I did five minutes ago. And so....I continue to turn into my mother. Sigh

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes I have the same picture, but compare that one to these: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_03jan2313102.gif

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_02jan2419002.gif

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/MariaATM121407-1.jpg

And if you want to, please put them all side by side, Ivy. TIA [/*]
I guess I'm missing the point, do you think it isn't the same ATM? The one clearly shows the rail behind her :confused:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/...ATM121407-1.jpg

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Same day, time is off by about 1m 20 sec. Appeared as if 1st time something didn't go right then he appeared full front for another transaction on original videos.

IIRC they said "he attempted to use it the 24th" and it didn't work for some reason. no link sorry. [/*]

Is it possible that it didn't work on the 24th because LE may have had the bank freeze her account in hopes of cutting off her cash flow and possibly forcing Maria to contact her family? Just askin'

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm with you, SS. I've signed a few marriage licenses in my time as a witness for friends...maid of honor kind of stuff. I would hate to think that if something happened that I could be identified and checked out by posters on a MB. Especially if LE hadn't named me as a suspect...murky waters here for me.

It's all speculation, I understand that, but it still bothers me. JMO. [/*]

Well TY (and old_lady). I hesitated posting that, but.....it's how I feel. Glad to know I'm not alone in that train of thought.

[baywench]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


You know whats laughable tho. the way she goes from total beotch to"thank you, thank you so much. whats your question, dear?" in a nanosecond. Its like watching the Two Faces of Eve sometimes I swear to God.......... [/*]

OMG you are so right. She'll be spewing hemlock all over the place and the next minute "and now pause to hail a hero" in the sweetest voice ever. SHe must be really fun to live with....although I suspect most of it is just an act. IMO

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


You know whats laughable tho. the way she goes from total beotch to"thank you, thank you so much. whats your question, dear?" in a nanosecond. Its like watching the Two Faces of Eve sometimes I swear to God.......... [/*]

:lol:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by baywench


IIRC someone in LE talked about that. But I can never profess to remember like some of you so don't hold me to it. I can tell you everything that happened 10 years ago and pretty much nothing about what I did five minutes ago. And so....I continue to turn into my mother. Sigh [/*]

I hear ya. I almost think it might be a good idea to start a Sticky on here with what we know as FACT vs. fiction.

I know just earlier this afternoon something was talked about again (DARN can't remember what it was) and people were speculating, then we were graciously reminded that we already knew what the fact was.....NOT what some people were guessing again today.

I know I made a mess of explaining that. It wasn't that long ago on here.....but I forget what it was.

for me -----hammer

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well TY (and old_lady). I hesitated posting that, but.....it's how I feel. Glad to know I'm not alone in that train of thought. [/*]

So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it.

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]

I agree with you, cryme!
As for fact from fiction, this is a message/discussion board. Quite a few of us speculate on aspects of this case. If everything we stated had to be fact, we would all be looking back at articles/video's. That is why I use the 'IIRC'.

[henry]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm with you, SS. I've signed a few marriage licenses in my time as a witness for friends...maid of honor kind of stuff. I would hate to think that if something happened that I could be identified and checked out by posters on a MB. Especially if LE hadn't named me as a suspect...murky waters here for me.

It's all speculation, I understand that, but it still bothers me. JMO. [/*]

not to worry marcia3 - just give us all the word & we'll send out tons of false leads - we're getting really good at confusion and misstatements - they won't dare get near you! :cool: my protector's glasses on

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]
I agree with all of the above.

We've also brought up everyone's MySpace page we knew of on both sides of this case including blogs by family members.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]

I think this situation with Jose was a little different.

As far as CW goes, she reads here, if she finds it objectionable she will take action. I DON'T "report"......anyone or anything.....just not in my nature. Which is probably why it irritates me to see people banned, anyone at all.....I can handle anyone's opinion no matter how it differs with mine. I don't do the childish games of running to CW if I don't like something on here.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I guess I'm missing the point, do you think it isn't the same ATM? The one clearly shows the rail behind her :confused:
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/MariaATM121407-1.jpg [/*]

The rail at the BoA is grey and the one at MFCU is black. I'm leaning towards the MFCU since the black is very predominant in the pic from the ATM.

If'n I could do a side by side, we could compare. :(

[scillak]

Amazing you guys! That has to be a second person with the rag at the atm. It doesn't prove it was an accomplice, but whoever it is had to have known he/she was helping to use a stolen card. And, what are the odds that you'd agree to hold the rag and not want to know who the card belonged to and what was going on? Maybe Christina really doesn't know what went on since Cesar may have had this person's help to pull this thing off. How can this person not be under arrest? Immunity for testifying? Now, what ever made them decide that burying Maria in the backyard was a good idea... For goodness sake, Cesar was accused of rape and would be the main suspect. You'd think he'd want the body as far away as possible - and not in a grave-sized pit in the back yard. The rag person's hand looked darker skinned to me - the fingernails look lighter than the skin tone.
(I lurk and then pop in once in a while when I just have to say something, LOL).

[henry]

Originally posted by Howiefan
Originally posted by hinman
I would say it is possible. With Christmas just about a week away, I wonder if it was a Christmas gift?/

Of course then I wonder why CL went through the trouble of taking that out of her car. [/*]



If it was a gift given to her that day or if she purchased it I can see her wanting to show it to people. She may have wanted to show CAL. You're right, why bother taking it from the car. Why not take the baby item and the bear too.

__________________
IMOO

In my opinion anything that had to do with the word baby or thoughts of baby he wanted to get rid of.. I indeed think she got that baby outfit or whatever as a gift and it was in the car.. I do not think she went to CL's with it at all
of course jmo.. [/*]

mimi has a good theory that regina.lampert copied over to the theories thread . . . mimi posted/wrote it yesterday and it tracks so well with what's been discussed today :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


I agree with you, cryme!
As for fact from fiction, this is a message/discussion board. Quite a few of us speculate on aspects of this case. If everything we stated had to be fact, we would all be looking back at articles/video's. That is why I use the 'IIRC'. [/*]

Re fact vs. fiction......I was talking about stuff that could actually be verified, as opposed to someone's speculation.

I did find what I was thinking about and couldn't remember. There was a lot of discussion on here earlier about CSL being out of town prior to the murder. Then cryme posted that SB had stated she was in town. So......we probably all knew that weeks ago but had forgotten....therefore, MORE needless discussion on here about it.

The idea about a Sticky is just to avoid discussing some stuff that we do know for certain vs. what we don't know and CAN make guesses on.

Another example was the Mapquest. Some were vaguely remembering talk about a Mapquest and it turned out that it was just a poster's "IMO" that it was found in her car. So, speculation...not fact, in that instance.

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry


mimi has a good theory that regina.lampert copied over to the theories thread . . . mimi posted/wrote it yesterday and it tracks so well with what's been discussed today :seeya: [/*]I thought her theory was good to.

[hinman]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Re fact vs. fiction......I was talking about stuff that could actually be verified, as opposed to someone's speculation.

I did find what I was thinking about and couldn't remember. There was a lot of discussion on here earlier about CSL being out of town prior to the murder. Then cryme posted that SB had stated she was in town. So......we probably all knew that weeks ago but had forgotten....therefore, MORE needless discussion on here about it.

The idea about a Sticky is just to avoid discussing some stuff that we do know for certain vs. what we don't know and CAN make guesses on.

Another example was the Mapquest. Some were vaguely remembering talk about a Mapquest and it turned out that it was just a poster's "IMO" that it was found in her car. So, speculation...not fact, in that instance. [/*]I agree but the problem is there is not much fact in this case, what we think is fact sometimes turns out not to be.

I get confused all the time on was that fact or speculation. I sticky has been mentioned before and might not be a bad idea if anyone will use it.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by hinman
I agree but the problem is there is not much fact in this case, what we think is fact sometimes turns out not to be.

I get confused all the time on was that fact or speculation. I sticky has been mentioned before and might not be a bad idea if anyone will use it. [/*]

The case is just SO frustrating, with so little facts. I sometimes think we're all sitting around working on a novel, pulling things out of our heads willy nilly.

I wish he'd be caught and we could get on with a trial.

I wish there was SOME new news.

:mad:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Just IMO it won't get used consistently and for long enough for us to be able to use it as a real good reference tool. Facts are all mixed up in speculations at this point and thank God for the posters w/ memories who pull links from thin air-:beer: jmo [/*]

Yes! We'd be in sad shape without Lynn, and some others. I know my memory is NOT good in this case at all.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Re fact vs. fiction......I was talking about stuff that could actually be verified, as opposed to someone's speculation.

I did find what I was thinking about and couldn't remember. There was a lot of discussion on here earlier about CSL being out of town prior to the murder. Then cryme posted that SB had stated she was in town. So......we probably all knew that weeks ago but had forgotten....therefore, MORE needless discussion on here about it.

The idea about a Sticky is just to avoid discussing some stuff that we do know for certain vs. what we don't know and CAN make guesses on.

Another example was the Mapquest. Some were vaguely remembering talk about a Mapquest and it turned out that it was just a poster's "IMO" that it was found in her car. So, speculation...not fact, in that instance. [/*]

I understand what you are talking about, SS. In my original post the other night, I did not say anything about mapquest. I was stating in my post about directions looked up on Sgt. Durham's computer. Then CANDY came back with the article that mentioned looking at his computer for directions Maria MAY have looked up. Then also, Captain Sutherland stated in the questions that had been sent to him that he could not answer that question.
For me, it may OR may not be that Maria had looked up any directions.

At any rate, I am like you, SS. I like to read all comments.

:)

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
I agree but the problem is there is not much fact in this case, what we think is fact sometimes turns out not to be.

I get confused all the time on was that fact or speculation. I sticky has been mentioned before and might not be a bad idea if anyone will use it. [/*]

okay . . . out of my area of questions . . . but what's a sticky? being serious here.

EDIT - forget this post please . . . now i know - you're talking about a "facts" sticky - right?

[Kel65]

Originally posted by strick10


-snipped-

I agree Cryme. Maybe drop Jose M. Delgados' name, whom lives(ed) on Meadow Drive whom was CALs best man, on the Sutherland and see if that takes them anywhere. You know just in case that name hasn't come up already. [/*]

Don't forget whom seems to like the same color paint.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]

I have no idea who you are referring to, but I haven't been posting here frequently as of late, so I've missed a few things.

For me, it's the general speculating about Jose's potential involvement when he has not been named a suspect and he has not been mentioned in any media coverage, so far as I know. Kind of like because he was a witness to the Lauren's marriage, he gets plucked out of the sky and information is flying around about where he lives etc. It would make me uncomfortable if I were in his shoes, that's all I'm saying.

JMO, and also not trying to start an argument.

[nuttintodo]

quote:
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Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]
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That's the best way to handle the situations as they arise.

Lord knows someone here has been working their fingers overtime on a few of us posters.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


I understand what you are talking about, SS. In my original post the other night, I did not say anything about mapquest. I was stating in my post about directions looked up on Sgt. Durham's computer. Then CANDY came back with the article that mentioned looking at his computer for directions Maria MAY have looked up. Then also, Captain Sutherland stated in the questions that had been sent to him that he could not answer that question.
For me, it may OR may not be that Maria had looked up any directions.

At any rate, I am like you, SS. I like to read all comments.

:) [/*]

Okay, well I wasn't talking specifically about any of your posts.

I agree, Maria MAY have looked up directions. However, far as we know, a Mapquest was NOT found in her car. Right? And I think whatever I was reading, some people were like, "Oh didn't we hear there was a mapquest found in her car??" And I think that just took on a life of its own after Candy's original post. Which as she said, was strickly her opinion......but see it stayed in some people's mind as a possible fact.....

:shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
quote:
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Originally posted by crymeariver2006


So when somebody posted Malo Menard's criminal record the other night, did you have any objections to that?

Any objections to Salvador and Elvira's property tax records?

Any objections to Salvador's traffic ticket?

I'm just saying that in just about every case that I've either posted on or read about, people are looking up the neighbors, friends, relatives and posting information.

Nobody's accusing this guy of anything. Lots of speculation though, same as with Christina.

Not trying to start an argument, but if you find the posts objectionable, then you should report them to CW and let her handle it. [/*]
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That's the best way to handle the situations as they arise.

Lord knows someone here has been working their fingers overtime on a few of us posters.

JMO [/*]


I agree.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I have no idea who you are referring to, but I haven't been posting here frequently as of late, so I've missed a few things.

For me, it's the general speculating about Jose's potential involvement when he has not been named a suspect and he has not been mentioned in any media coverage, so far as I know. Kind of like because he was a witness to the Lauren's marriage, he gets plucked out of the sky and information is flying around about where he lives etc. It would make me uncomfortable if I were in his shoes, that's all I'm saying.

JMO, and also not trying to start an argument. [/*]

Yes. Well stated, Marcia.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay, well I wasn't talking specifically about any of your posts.

I agree, Maria MAY have looked up directions. However, far as we know, a Mapquest was NOT found in her car. Right? And I think whatever I was reading, some people were like, "Oh didn't we hear there was a mapquest found in her car??" And I think that just took on a life of its own after Candy's original post. Which as she said, was strickly her opinion......but see it stayed in some people's mind as a possible fact.....

:shrug: [/*]

:shrug:

[baywench]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I have no idea who you are referring to, but I haven't been posting here frequently as of late, so I've missed a few things.

For me, it's the general speculating about Jose's potential involvement when he has not been named a suspect and he has not been mentioned in any media coverage, so far as I know. Kind of like because he was a witness to the Lauren's marriage, he gets plucked out of the sky and information is flying around about where he lives etc. It would make me uncomfortable if I were in his shoes, that's all I'm saying.

JMO, and also not trying to start an argument. [/*]

I can understand your point, however, it is a time of myspace, youtube, craigs list, it just amazes me how open people are and the amount of information they will give out about themselves. I really don't think that speculation on a message board about him is a big deal. No one here can hurt him, nothing is legal and it is written on every post that it is opinion only. Everything written about MM was public record. Some are just better at others than research. IMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry


okay . . . out of my area of questions . . . but what's a sticky? being serious here.

EDIT - forget this post please . . . now i know - you're talking about a "facts" sticky - right? [/*]CW makes a thread sticky meaning it stays at the top of the threads. So when you go to the Maria Lauterbach forum that would be one of the first threads you would see.

I hope I explained that OK. Let me know.

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Thanks for the answers. At least I know I am not senile yet because I knew I had seen those fine Marines, both men and women, in their dress attire. I have always admired their impeccable presentation.

imoo [/*]

Me too, GB. It creates a lump in my throat to see the full attire.

But, after all this discussion on uniforms, cammies, etc. I'm thinking I'm not sure I would recognize a MC uniform from an Army uniform because I've seen them on TV at schools too.

Hope your DD heals quickly and fully.

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
CW makes a thread sticky meaning it stays at the top of the threads. So when you go to the Maria Lauterbach forum that would be one of the first threads you would see.

I hope I explained that OK. Let me know. [/*]

that's a good idea but we'd have to have it broken down by facts according to xtina, marine spokesperson, cesar, etcetera etcetera . . . that's, imo, where the confusion comes in . . . oh, forgot to add facts according to the media also.

[baywench]

I think a "Fact" sticky would be a great idea. I can't tell you how many times I could swear something was a fact but you keep reading and all of a sudden I don't trust my memory. If the only person that would read it is me....it would be so greatly appreciated. Twice in the last couple of days I've had to back off a point. Thanks JMO

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by baywench


I can understand your point, however, it is a time of myspace, youtube, craigs list, it just amazes me how open people are and the amount of information they will give out about themselves. I really don't think that speculation on a message board about him is a big deal. No one here can hurt him, nothing is legal and it is written on every post that it is opinion only. Everything written about MM was public record. Some are just better at others than research. IMO [/*]

I guess I'm seeing it from an "old lady's" POV. :D

I have nothing out there on my space or facebook. I don't get the whole concept of putting everything out there for the whole world to see...one click and it's there forever for anyone who wants to look.

I am personalizing it, which I probably shouldn't do. As I read through today's thread, I just kept thinking about how I would feel in his shoes. He probably doesn't care what a bunch of folks here say about him.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, heh?

Now I've forgotten what the subject is...darn, it's tough getting old. Definitely not for wimps.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I guess I'm seeing it from an "old lady's" POV. :D

I have nothing out there on my space or facebook. I don't get the whole concept of putting everything out there for the whole world to see...one click and it's there forever for anyone who wants to look.

I am personalizing it, which I probably shouldn't do. As I read through today's thread, I just kept thinking about how I would feel in his shoes. He probably doesn't care what a bunch of folks here say about him.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand, heh?

Now I've forgotten what the subject is...darn, it's tough getting old. Definitely not for wimps. [/*]

And as you mentioned earlier, the guy isn't even mentioned at all in relation to this case, as a witness, suspect or anything. It's like he's just honed in on because of being in the wedding and living close by.....yeh, imagine if this guy is the nicest guy in the world, HATES CL for what he did, and maybe never even had much to do with him even after the wedding. Maybe he's not even a friend anymore. I can imagine how he'd feel.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


The rail at the BoA is grey and the one at MFCU is black. I'm leaning towards the MFCU since the black is very predominant in the pic from the ATM.

If'n I could do a side by side, we could compare. :( [/*]

According to the indictment, the ATM that Cesar "attempted" to use on 12/24 was the MCFU at Williamsburg Crossing.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/24/marine.indictment.pdf

(Is that what we were even talking about?)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


I can understand your point, however, it is a time of myspace, youtube, craigs list, it just amazes me how open people are and the amount of information they will give out about themselves. I really don't think that speculation on a message board about him is a big deal. No one here can hurt him, nothing is legal and it is written on every post that it is opinion only. Everything written about MM was public record. Some are just better at others than research. IMO [/*]

No it's not a big deal and if it weren't for posters on a message board, the tatoo issue wouldn't have been corrected on the FBI wanted poster.

[donna]

I promise not to keep beating the proverbial dead horse, but:

Question 6 on the question and answers thread that Captain Sutherland answered:

Question: Is there any evidence on Daniel Durham's computer that Maria did a mapquest search for directions to the Laurean home?

Answer: We know the answers to these questions but cannot release the info at this time.

That was a great question. Captain Sutherland had a 'no' answer on another question on the question and answers. Why not just say 'no'? There was something, IMO.

OK! I am done now! I will be good!

:)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay, well I wasn't talking specifically about any of your posts.

I agree, Maria MAY have looked up directions. However, far as we know, a Mapquest was NOT found in her car. Right? And I think whatever I was reading, some people were like, "Oh didn't we hear there was a mapquest found in her car??" And I think that just took on a life of its own after Candy's original post. Which as she said, was strickly her opinion......but see it stayed in some people's mind as a possible fact.....

:shrug: [/*]

The only thing that we KNOW was found in her car was the expired MPO. No list of items recovered from the car has been publicized. (Which is not to say that someone, somewhere is not privy to it, but we can only state as fact the MPO.)

[strick10]

Found something intersting today. This pertains to a case involving an Airman that I won't go into. Anyhow, in the state of Texas state law prohibits the active coordination of military and civilian investigations. Wonder what the NC state law is regarding this area.

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna
I promise not to keep beating the proverbial dead horse, but:

Question 6 on the question and answers thread that Captain Sutherland answered:

Question: Is there any evidence on Daniel Durham's computer that Maria did a mapquest search for directions to the Laurean home?

Answer: We know the answers to these questions but cannot release the info at this time.

That was a great question. Captain Sutherland had a 'no' answer on another question on the question and answers. Why not just say 'no'? There was something, IMO.

OK! I am done now! I will be good!

:) [/*]When I see this it makes me wonder if she got a call about her car being for sale and they gave her an address to meet her about the car.

She map quested it and it took her to caesars.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by old_lady


I don't think the paint was brown. I think it was more of a burgundy. People will do an accent wall. I love color. My house is jam packed full of color. I don' see anything unusual about that color. I used it also.

jmo [/*]

LOL, I thought it was a rusty brown! IMO color is very popular these days. My house too is full of color, deep saturated colors, and I see those kinds of colors in parade homes and such.

But the colors in the side by side pics looked like the same palette, one just a bit darker than the other, but it could have been from the same can of paint. JMO.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by old_lady


I don't think the paint was brown. I think it was more of a burgundy. People will do an accent wall. I love color. My house is jam packed full of color. I don' see anything unusual about that color. I used it also.

jmo [/*]


Sorry, I don't see burgundy in that color. JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


According to the indictment, the ATM that Cesar "attempted" to use on 12/24 was the MCFU at Williamsburg Crossing.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/24/marine.indictment.pdf

(Is that what we were even talking about?) [/*]

No, cryme, we were discussing whether Maria used the BoA ATM versus the MFCU ATM on 12/14/07.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by hinman
When I see this it makes me wonder if she got a call about her car being for sale and they gave her an address to meet her about the car.

She map quested it and it took her to caesars. [/*]

I don't think that's ever been brought up before.

:eek:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna
I promise not to keep beating the proverbial dead horse, but:

Question 6 on the question and answers thread that Captain Sutherland answered:

Question: Is there any evidence on Daniel Durham's computer that Maria did a mapquest search for directions to the Laurean home?

Answer: We know the answers to these questions but cannot release the info at this time.

That was a great question. Captain Sutherland had a 'no' answer on another question on the question and answers. Why not just say 'no'? There was something, IMO.

OK! I am done now! I will be good!

:) [/*]

Okay how does that translate to a Mapquest found in her car??

Let me reiterate, I don't have a problem at all with the possibility she MAY have looked up directions on a computer. Does everyone who looks up directions print a copy of them and put them in their car?

I'm done too. :D

[strick10]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Nite guys:seeya: AB [/*]

:seeya: Nite AB and thanks again.

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Burgundy? I thought it was a dark pumpkin color!!

(ETA: Wish I had more color in my house. Pale walls w/ bright accents, only :mad: ) [/*]

Looks pumpkin or 'brunt' orange on my computer.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Marcia3


LOL, I thought it was a rusty brown! IMO color is very popular these days. My house too is full of color, deep saturated colors, and I see those kinds of colors in parade homes and such.

But the colors in the side by side pics looked like the same palette, one just a bit darker than the other, but it could have been from the same can of paint. JMO. [/*]

And the picture could have been taken in the Laureans' hallway.

:shrug:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Nite guys:seeya: AB [/*]

Nite Annie.

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Nite guys:seeya: AB [/*]

:seeya: .... G'Night, Annie!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


Looks pumpkin or 'brunt' orange on my computer. [/*]

Same here.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65



Sorry, I don't see burgundy in that color. JMO [/*]

Neither do I. Not even when I squint.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
When I see this it makes me wonder if she got a call about her car being for sale and they gave her an address to meet her about the car.

She map quested it and it took her to caesars. [/*]

Or there's another possibility, she could have done a mapquest to find the bus station. Maybe she wasn't familiar as to that location in Jacksonville.

Since they have put in the bypass, added Western Blvd. extension and a lot of the businesses that once were out on Hwy. 17 have now moved to Western Blvd. extension, there's not a lot of traffic that uses Hwy. 17 in the area of Checker's/Bus Station, etc.

JMO

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay how does that translate to a Mapquest found in her car??

Let me reiterate, I don't have a problem at all with the possibility she MAY have looked up directions on a computer. Does everyone who looks up directions print a copy of them and put them in their car?

I'm done too. :D [/*]

Nah, not mapquest but yes I take Yahoo directions with me. I don't want to get lost! You 'spect me to memorize those things before I leave the house?

:cool: Or I could just give them to my seeing eye dog.

:D

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami


Geez, hinman. I had never thought of that aspect. :eek: [/*]Just a thought that keeps crossing my mind.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by strick10


Neither do I. Not even when I squint. [/*]

Not even after two Coronas.

Maybe I'll try a third....

:D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Nah, not mapquest but yes I take Yahoo directions with me. I don't want to get lost! You 'spect me to memorize those things before I leave the house?

:cool: Or I could just give them to my seeing eye dog.

:D [/*]

I just think it's a HUGE stretch from "she MAY have looked up some directions on Durham's computer" to "we found a Mapquest in her car when it was recovered."

That's all. :D

[strick10]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Not even after two Coronas.

Maybe I'll try a third....

:D [/*]
:lol:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10

:lol: [/*]

Dustbuster is in order there strick! The lint filter is full completely! TIA LOL

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


oops back to add- we have 2 paneled walls in living room and paneling all the way down to the basement-:cuss: which I hate- thats why I did the opposing walls in light color. My husband doesn't beleive me that painted paneling looks great if you use kilz first.

now going to bed........ [/*]

We did ours! Looks great. I would use the oil based Kilz though.


:punch: We better shut up about decorating tips.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady


I think it is next to impossible to tell a color in a photo, but really you missed the point.
Nothing unusual with using a deep color on an accent wall. Any color paint is going to cover blood. Especially with a primer.

jmo [/*]

But it's not just on an accent wall. If you look at the photo, behind the couch in the foreground, the same color is on that wall too.

Hey....how do you know any color paint will cover blood? :eek:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Not even after two Coronas.

Maybe I'll try a third....

:D [/*]

Gonna share one of those with the seeing eye dog?

:biggrin:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
When I see this it makes me wonder if she got a call about her car being for sale and they gave her an address to meet her about the car.

She map quested it and it took her to caesars. [/*]

Interesting idea...

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Gonna share one of those with the seeing eye dog?

:biggrin: [/*]

Do you know how long it took me to train him to open them?

:biggrin:

He did okay with an opener, but that little lime wedge still gives him trouble.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


:lol: I know! I have heard she is just the sweetest thing ever. She does alot for other people and is a real advocate for many different kinds of victims. I think its a little bit of theatrics too, ("show biz" and ratings doncha know) at least I hope for the sake of her husband and two kids it is! Yikes! Like living w/ Mommy Dearest all over again...... jmo [/*]

Imo she is the equivalent of Bill O' Reilly. Full of vinegar.

I use to love Nancy and I use to be proud she is from my home state but I can assure you most Southern ladies sure don't act like Nancy has done in the last few years. Her behavior and crassness is appalling and I don't dare turn her own if my hubby is here because he absolutely can't tolerate her rants.

It is like she has split personalities but the thing is you never know which one you are going to get. I have seen defense attorneys AGREE with her but NG is too busy hearing her own voice and tears into them tooth and nail and makes herself look like a pure a**.

Her show should be named "Nancy Grace-Misinformation":D

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Interesting idea... [/*]
are you going to add it to one of your theory's..:D

I have been looking for you to post your theories I haven't seen it yet:(

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady


Why wouldn't it? I suppose you think only red will.:D [/*]

Don't know. Never had the problem of painting over blood before.

:shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Or there's another possibility, she could have done a mapquest to find the bus station. Maybe she wasn't familiar as to that location in Jacksonville.

Since they have put in the bypass, added Western Blvd. extension and a lot of the businesses that once were out on Hwy. 17 have now moved to Western Blvd. extension, there's not a lot of traffic that uses Hwy. 17 in the area of Checker's/Bus Station, etc.

JMO [/*]

I have leather 'notebook' with pockets in my car. I still have the computerer generated directions to Lackland AFB in San Antonio and to the motel in it. I also have directions printed to my daughters house in Va..

Maria probably did get directions to somewhere, tho, or I think that Captain Sutherland could have just answered 'no'. Could have been directions to the bus station as you said, nuttin!

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Dustbuster is in order there strick! The lint filter is full completely! TIA LOL [/*]

All done.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by old_lady


I think it is next to impossible to tell a color in a photo, but really you missed the point.
Nothing unusual with using a deep color on an accent wall. Any color paint is going to cover blood. Especially with a primer.

jmo [/*]

Bingo! On BOTH points.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


I have leather 'notebook' with pockets in my car. I still have the computerer generated directions to Lackland AFB in San Antonio and to the motel in it. I also have directions printed to my daughters house in Va..

Maria probably did get directions to somewhere, tho, or I think that Captain Sutherland could have just answered 'no'. Could have been directions to the bus station as you said, nuttin! [/*]

Do you think all of the questions he answered by saying they know but they can't say, cannot be "no"?

[hinman]

I mean no disrespect, just want to know why we are trying to figure out the exact color of that wall??

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Sami


A lighter color would have needed a primer, like you posted upthread. Since you don't think Christina was aware of anything, that doesn't give Cesar much time to prime the walls, let them dry, then cover with the top coat, does it?

JMO [/*]

And that's what we call a "quandry".

:D

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by henry


mimi has a good theory that regina.lampert copied over to the theories thread . . . mimi posted/wrote it yesterday and it tracks so well with what's been discussed today :seeya: [/*]
thanks henry :)

[donna]

Originally posted by Sami


Does it look this color, donna? It doesn't on my computer.

http://www.paint-colors.net/store/catalog/BENJAMIN-MOORE-PAINT-COLOR-SAMPLE-Soft-Pumpkin-2166-40-SIZE2-OZ-p-11919.html [/*]

Hi, Sami!

No, that does not look like the color to me. In the pic on my computer, that color would have to be mixed with tan.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


No, cryme, we were discussing whether Maria used the BoA ATM versus the MFCU ATM on 12/14/07. [/*]
:) You're still confusing me.

Maria and Cesar used different ATM's.

The photo I posted was the BofA ATM that Maria used which has a rail, and a rail is visable in her ATM transaction photo.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by donna


I have leather 'notebook' with pockets in my car. I still have the computerer generated directions to Lackland AFB in San Antonio and to the motel in it. I also have directions printed to my daughters house in Va..

Maria probably did get directions to somewhere, tho, or I think that Captain Sutherland could have just answered 'no'. Could have been directions to the bus station as you said, nuttin! [/*]

Girl, do me a favor and get those directions out of your car. When I bought a car for one of my DD's, we found all kinds of receipts with credit card #'s on them, a bank deposit slip with an account # on it, and directions to somebody's house. (And this was a car from a dealership).

Why, if I were a person with evil intentions......

Lucky for them, I shredded all that stuff. But had that car been stolen......

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Do you know how long it took me to train him to open them?

:biggrin:

He did okay with an opener, but that little lime wedge still gives him trouble. [/*]

LOL, LOL, LOL

:beer:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman

are you going to add it to one of your theory's..:D

I have been looking for you to post your theories I haven't seen it yet:( [/*]

I just might! I am still working on my theory document - I actually stayed home the last two days, but my sinuses were driving me crazy so I didn't get much written down.

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Do you know how long it took me to train him to open them?

:biggrin:

He did okay with an opener, but that little lime wedge still gives him trouble. [/*]

:lol:

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami


Some of us thought the walls in the pic of Jose looked the same color as the paint used to cover the blood at Cesar's -- some thought it was a different color.

But since we don't know for sure where the Jose pic was taken, I guess you're right -- why are we discussing it? :D [/*]Thanks Sami, I missed that I had a busy day.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay how does that translate to a Mapquest found in her car??

Let me reiterate, I don't have a problem at all with the possibility she MAY have looked up directions on a computer. Does everyone who looks up directions print a copy of them and put them in their car?

I'm done too. :D [/*]

All the people I know do.

But wouldn't they? I mean if they were going by car someplace then they would have the map in the car so that it would show them how to go.

LOL Maybe I am just not understanding.

imoo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady
This one.


http://www.paint-colors.net/store/catalog/BENJAMIN-MOORE-PAINT-COLOR-SAMPLE-Audubon-Russet-HC-51-SIZE2-OZ-p-11718.html [/*]

Very good!

Now what are you going to say when it comes out at trial that the color was indeed Benjamin Moore Audubon Russett?

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady


:shrug: :( [/*]

:chicken:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Sami


Some of us thought the walls in the pic of Jose looked the same color as the paint used to cover the blood at Cesar's -- some thought it was a different color.

But since we don't know for sure where the Jose pic was taken, I guess you're right -- why are we discussing it? :D [/*]
I don't think it was taken at the Laurean home. There's a white spindle in the background of one of the photos that's NOT in the Laurean's home photos.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


All the people I know do.

But wouldn't they? I mean if they were going by car someplace then they would have the map in the car so that it would show them how to go.

LOL Maybe I am just not understanding.

imoo [/*]

Hey, GB, hugs for you and DD. Hope she's on the mend. Prayers going up for her and your family tonight!

Before I had a GPS (which I love like nothing else I've ever owned), I always printed out directions from mapquest or randmcnally and put them in my car when I drove somewhere for the first time.

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Girl, do me a favor and get those directions out of your car. When I bought a car for one of my DD's, we found all kinds of receipts with credit card #'s on them, a bank deposit slip with an account # on it, and directions to somebody's house. (And this was a car from a dealership).

Why, if I were a person with evil intentions......

Lucky for them, I shredded all that stuff. But had that car been stolen...... [/*]

:eek:

[nuttintodo]

Not meaning to change the subject but I wanted to share this with you all. I had to make a trip out of town today so on the way home, it was decided that oldest DD and I would make a side trip to Meadow Trail.

Here is the pictures I took (these are mine as I personally took them today!):

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=BackviewofLaureanhouse31908.jpg

The above is the back view of the Laurean house. Note the Alander's LIVED in the first house in the picture.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/sideoflaureanhouse31908.jpg

This is from the purple colored house side. There was people outside so we couldn't stop. And notice the garage window is open.

Now as I alluded to about the Alander's. They are NO LONGER living in the house at 101 Meadow Trail. No swing set in the front yard, no cars, no nothing except for the hearts on the front window.

I do not know if they moved because living there creeped them out and there is the possibility the lease on the house (they were renting) expired and they chose not to renew their lease.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

http://www.myperfectcolor.com/Match-of-Devoe-Fuller-4W11-6-Adobe-Brick-p/mpc0009239.htm

I think it is this color :D

Seriously, though, from the first time I saw that wall, I thought of adobe brick (the name of the paint above) - I would imagine a lot of adobe brick is used in Mexico, too. JMO

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay how does that translate to a Mapquest found in her car??

Let me reiterate, I don't have a problem at all with the possibility she MAY have looked up directions on a computer. Does everyone who looks up directions print a copy of them and put them in their car?

I'm done too. :D [/*]

I did until I got my GPS system. Geez the glove compartmetn is much cleaner now. .:)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Very good!

Now what are you going to say when it comes out at trial that the color was indeed Benjamin Moore Audubon Russett?

:D [/*]

On my monitor it looks more like a Santa Fe brown or something like that.

lol

imoo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


On my monitor it looks more like a Santa Fe brown or something like that.

lol

imoo [/*]

This discussion reminds me of "way back when" and we all couldn't agree on which guy was CAL in the Lowes video!

:D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://www.myperfectcolor.com/Match-of-Devoe-Fuller-4W11-6-Adobe-Brick-p/mpc0009239.htm

I think it is this color :D

Seriously, though, from the first time I saw that wall, I thought of adobe brick (the name of the paint above) - I would imagine a lot of adobe brick is used in Mexico, too. JMO [/*]

It does look a lot like it, gaelic.

imoo

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Not meaning to change the subject but I wanted to share this with you all. I had to make a trip out of town today so on the way home, it was decided that oldest DD and I would make a side trip to Meadow Trail.

Here is the pictures I took (these are mine as I personally took them today!):

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=BackviewofLaureanhouse31908.jpg

The above is the back view of the Laurean house. Note the Alander's LIVED in the first house in the picture.

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/sideoflaureanhouse31908.jpg

This is from the purple colored house side. There was people outside so we couldn't stop. And notice the garage window is open.

Now as I alluded to about the Alander's. They are NO LONGER living in the house at 101 Meadow Trail. No swing set in the front yard, no cars, no nothing except for the hearts on the front window.

I do not know if they moved because living there creeped them out and there is the possibility the lease on the house (they were renting) expired and they chose not to renew their lease.

JMO [/*]

Very nice. Good pics. My eyesight ain't what it used to be, but has the fence been repaired?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

:) You're still confusing me.

Maria and Cesar used different ATM's.

The photo I posted was the BofA ATM that Maria used which has a rail, and a rail is visable in her ATM transaction photo. [/*]

The rails at both ATM's are visible.

First is MFCU:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_02jan2419002.gif

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/screenhunter_03jan2313102.gif

This is the one I took that's in color: http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/DV126.jpg

And the one at BoA with Trace Gallagher:

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/BoAATM.jpg

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami


Here's the link, Hinman.

The picture of the couple is Jose and his wife, who live right down the street from Cesar and Jose was the witness at Cesar's wedding.

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/tay972/Paintcomparison.jpg [/*]oh wow it does look like it could be the same color.

Did anyone look at the layout that nuttin provided to see if that is how the Laurean house it laid out?

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Not meaning to change the subject but I wanted to share this with you all. I had to make a trip out of town today so on the way home, it was decided that oldest DD and I would make a side trip to Meadow Trail.

-snipped-

Now as I alluded to about the Alander's. They are NO LONGER living in the house at 101 Meadow Trail. No swing set in the front yard, no cars, no nothing except for the hearts on the front window.

I do not know if they moved because living there creeped them out and there is the possibility the lease on the house (they were renting) expired and they chose not to renew their lease.

JMO [/*]

Thanks nuttin! Wonder if the Alanders got tired of the media or if they were being hounded by the media.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Very nice. Good pics. My eyesight ain't what it used to be, but has the fence been repaired? [/*]

Nope the sections are still down.

And there are not any No Tresspassing signs up either.

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://www.myperfectcolor.com/Match-of-Devoe-Fuller-4W11-6-Adobe-Brick-p/mpc0009239.htm

I think it is this color :D

Seriously, though, from the first time I saw that wall, I thought of adobe brick (the name of the paint above) - I would imagine a lot of adobe brick is used in Mexico, too. JMO [/*]

okay . . . now give it to mw5 and have her visit wanda posing as an interior decorator . . . and see if that color looks familiar :cool:

[donna]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
http://www.myperfectcolor.com/Match-of-Devoe-Fuller-4W11-6-Adobe-Brick-p/mpc0009239.htm

I think it is this color :D

Seriously, though, from the first time I saw that wall, I thought of adobe brick (the name of the paint above) - I would imagine a lot of adobe brick is used in Mexico, too. JMO [/*]

By George, I think you've got it, gaelicpeas!
There is a large stucco apartment complex here painted in just that color!
That appears to be the color!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Marcia3


This discussion reminds me of "way back when" and we all couldn't agree on which guy was CAL in the Lowes video!

:D [/*]

Well we turned out to be right........the media had the wrong guy circled. lol Remember that happening?

Now we are back to deciding who was in the ATM video...Laurean or Jose.:D

So we do come full circle sometimes or shall I say......go around in circles. LMBO!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by old_lady



OK, I think you're right. It is a dark pumpkin. Aren't they at Cesar's house in this picture? [/*]
MY OPINION is "no" from viewing another photo.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Nope the sections are still down.

And there are not any No Tresspassing signs up either. [/*]

Any other signs of life?

Now that spring is coming, I wonder if anyone will take care of the yard at the Laurean's house. At the very least won't the lawn have to be mowed occasionally? In my area, the city comes and mows your yard if you don't do it, and then they send you a huge whopping bill for their time and trouble.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well we turned out to be right........the media had the wrong guy circled. lol Remember that happening?

Now we are back to deciding who was in the ATM video...Laurean or Jose.:D

So we do come full circle sometimes or shall I say......go around in circles. LMBO! [/*]

LOL, I sure do remember that!

Sometimes it's like one of our feet is nailed to the floor...:D

[scillak]

Originally posted by hinman
oh wow it does look like it could be the same color.

Did anyone look at the layout that nuttin provided to see if that is how the Laurean house it laid out? [/*]


In the pic with the Laurean livingroom - looking to the right looks like it's a hallway and it doesn't look like it was painted.

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Nope the sections are still down.

And there are not any No Tresspassing signs up either. [/*]

:eek:

And thanks for the pics, nuttin!

Wonder why the garage window is open? Maybe the house has been repainted. I would think repainting would be in order.

Still, I wonder if anyone could even live there if they know someone was killed in that house. I know I would not.

[hinman]

Originally posted by scillak



In the pic with the Laurean livingroom - looking to the right looks like it's a hallway and it doesn't look like it was painted. [/*]I seen that the wall looked white. So probably not their home.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by donna


:eek:

And thanks for the pics, nuttin!

Wonder why the garage window is open? Maybe the house has been repainted. I would think repainting would be in order.

Still, I wonder if anyone could even live there if they know someone was killed in that house. I know I would not. [/*]

You know, I feel the same way, but houses are houses to some folks. This topic came up with my parents not long ago, of course I was the one who mentioned it about a particular house where a murder had occured. I said I would never live in a house where someone was killed, and they both said, "why not?" To them it seemed illogical to dismiss a house because of a murder.

Still, it gives me the creeps to think about.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by strick10


Thanks nuttin! Wonder if the Alanders got tired of the media or if they were being hounded by the media. [/*]

Could have.

The street is a cul de sac, so it's one way in and one way out.

Lynn_T is correct, the wooded area directly behind the Laurean's is only one tree deep (and it looked like they were mostly cedars).

Or Wanda got tired everyone seeing her in her tye-dyed outfit! :eek:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Hey, GB, hugs for you and DD. Hope she's on the mend. Prayers going up for her and your family tonight!

Before I had a GPS (which I love like nothing else I've ever owned), I always printed out directions from mapquest or randmcnally and put them in my car when I drove somewhere for the first time. [/*]

Thank you Marcia.

Yes, I have always done that too until I got GPS. My hubby's truck probably has old mapquests we have used in the last couple of years when we have gone in his truck. Somehow they always wind up in the glove box or over the visor.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Nah, not mapquest but yes I take Yahoo directions with me. I don't want to get lost! You 'spect me to memorize those things before I leave the house?

:cool: Or I could just give them to my seeing eye dog.

:D [/*]
The leather pouches I have behind my two front seats are full of MapQuest maps. I leave them in there in case I intend to go somewhere, or have been there :D

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


:eek:

And thanks for the pics, nuttin!

Wonder why the garage window is open? Maybe the house has been repainted. I would think repainting would be in order.

Still, I wonder if anyone could even live there if they know someone was killed in that house. I know I would not. [/*]

I think I could live in it. I'm not a weirdo or anything, but, knowing what happened there I would respect the home where Maria left this world. Probably put up some kind of gazebo/garden in the area where the pit was. Kind of a small house though.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by old_lady
How do we know the room wasn't painted the adobe brick color and Cesar was painting it white? [/*]

Are you just trying to confuse me? :D

I'll leave it to someone else with a better memory to answer your question...

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Marcia3


Any other signs of life?

Now that spring is coming, I wonder if anyone will take care of the yard at the Laurean's house. At the very least won't the lawn have to be mowed occasionally? In my area, the city comes and mows your yard if you don't do it, and then they send you a huge whopping bill for their time and trouble. [/*]

At other houses along the street, yes. But at the Laurean's and Alander's it's a big fat NO.

The grass at the Laurean's hasn't been mowed and there was a bag of charcoal and flower watering bucket sitting on the front porch/stoop.

As an aside, the purple sided house, well it has a purple mailbox post too!

As to how I felt being there, I really didn't feel anything, except wanting to get in and get out because there were people out in their yards.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by hinman
I mean no disrespect, just want to know why we are trying to figure out the exact color of that wall?? [/*]

:beer: It's gonna prove something or other, just watch. :lol:

[strick10]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Could have.

The street is a cul de sac, so it's one way in and one way out.

Lynn_T is correct, the wooded area directly behind the Laurean's is only one tree deep (and it looked like they were mostly cedars).

Or Wanda got tired everyone seeing her in her tye-dyed outfit! :eek: [/*]

I would've thought that MW5 would have hooked up Wanda w/ some dressing tips by now.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by old_lady


I wonder how we got that picture? [/*]
Easily!!!!!!!

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady
How do we know the room wasn't painted the adobe brick color and Cesar was painting it white? [/*]

IIRC, old_lady, remember in one pic of the garage where it shows a paint roller in a tray and the paint looks white? IMO, he WAS painitng something white! Dunno what it was, tho!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


All the people I know do.

But wouldn't they? I mean if they were going by car someplace then they would have the map in the car so that it would show them how to go.

LOL Maybe I am just not understanding.

imoo [/*]

"May have" looked up directions on a computer does not necessarily mean Mapquest nor does it mean ANY map necessarily, might be just jotting notes down. And it certainly does NOT mean a mapquest map was found in her car.

That's what I don't understand.

But I'm pretty much done with the subject. That's Candy's baby. I was just trying to show that the Mapquest "found in her car" was not fact that we know.

Hi GB, here's a hug for your dear {{daughter}}. :rose:

[scillak]

Originally posted by old_lady
How do we know the room wasn't painted the adobe brick color and Cesar was painting it white? [/*]

I guess we're believing Wanda when she said that they had painted the living room. There's also the spot in the garage that looks like a sample spot (although probably is an "evidence hider" spot).

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


IIRC, old_lady, remember in one pic of the garage where it shows a paint roller in a tray and the paint looks white? IMO, he WAS painitng something white! Dunno what it was, tho! [/*]

Ceiling maybe.

[caejde]

I guess. What happened? I was reading trying to catch up and then it tells me I don't have access.

[SavannahStar]

All of a sudden we went into the Twilight Zone there.

Hiya Sami. :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

I was floating in the nether-regions there for a minute.

I thought Hinman had a great thought about somebody staging a call to Maria about buying her car and sending her to CL's house.

[henry]

also i posted earlier today that i thought the garage was painted white recently . . . and i think the brown square was a test sample . . . the white is tooo white to have been there long . . . and i saw a video of their garage with the sheetrock and white dots/lines . . . jmo . . . no links . . . going off to talk with the dogs for a while . . . see you tomorrow!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry
also i posted earlier today that i thought the garage was painted white recently . . . and i think the brown square was a test sample . . . the white is tooo white to have been there long . . . and i saw a video of their garage with the sheetrock and white dots/lines . . . jmo . . . no links . . . going off to talk with the dogs for a while . . . see you tomorrow! [/*]

IMO, they were getting ready to paint that sheetrock in the garage white, too (plus cover the "color test" square where IMO he painted over blood).

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I was floating in the nether-regions there for a minute.

I thought Hinman had a great thought about somebody staging a call to Maria about buying her car and sending her to CL's house. [/*]

I don't recall the exact post.....I know she mentioned that....but, would that mean that Maria could NOT have previously known where CL lived? See, I think she did. (Unless I'm misunderstanding Hinman.)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't recall the exact post.....I know she mentioned that....but, would that mean that Maria could NOT have previously known where CL lived? See, I think she did. (Unless I'm misunderstanding Hinman.) [/*]

I gather that is what Hinman meant, or rather that is the way I took her statement.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I gather that is what Hinman meant, or rather that is the way I took her statement. [/*]

Okay so the theory is predicated on the idea that Maria didn't know where CL lived.

TY!

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't recall the exact post.....I know she mentioned that....but, would that mean that Maria could NOT have previously known where CL lived? See, I think she did. (Unless I'm misunderstanding Hinman.) [/*]

I would think she would recognize CALs voice or would've hesitated to stop at his house when she saw his truck out front.

[caejde]

Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081831.jpg

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


I would think she would recognize CALs voice or would've hesitated to stop at his house when she saw his truck out front. [/*]

Maybe his car was sitting at the bus station? Maybe a friend/wife made the call?

[strick10]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by caejde
Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.


Great job caejde. They turned out well.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


I would think she would recognize CALs voice or would've hesitated to stop at his house when she saw his truck out front. [/*]

But did Hinman think it was someone ELSE that called her ("in on it" with CL)? Also, maybe in Hinman's theory Maria didn't even know what CL's truck looked like?

:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Maybe his car was sitting at the bus station? Maybe a friend/wife made the call? [/*]

Maybe. If so this was pre-planned.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Maybe his car was sitting at the bus station? Maybe a friend/wife made the call? [/*]

Well Hinman's idea is based on the theory that the murder was planned, and she was lured over there, I guess. I don't buy that. But....it's something no one has thought of yet, so it's interesting.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by caejde
Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081831.jpg [/*]

Thanks, Caejde!

From that first pic, it certainly looks to me like a second person could stand off to the side (inside the glass partition).

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


Maybe. If so this was pre-planned. [/*]

GMTA. LOL.

[strick10]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


But did Hinman think it was someone ELSE that called her ("in on it" with CL)? Also, maybe in Hinman's theory Maria didn't even know what CL's truck looked like?

:shrug: [/*]

I don't know.....I think she may have known what his truck looked like. Working in the same shop as CAL from Dec - mid May, she must've at some time seen him arriving/leaving work.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well Hinman's idea is based on the theory that the murder was planned, and she was lured over there, I guess. I don't buy that. But....it's something no one has thought of yet, so it's interesting. [/*]

I agree it's interesting... AND that call could have been made from... say, Camp Lejeune!

[caejde]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Caejde!

From that first pic, it certainly looks to me like a second person could stand off to the side (inside the glass partition).

JMO [/*]

I am not sure. Those yellow things are there and they both wouldn't be able to squeeze through at the same time.

[Marcia3]

Ah ha! I found you guys! Thought you could hide, huh? :D

Hate when we get sent to outer space all of a sudden.

[caejde]

At what point does the ATM start recording?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by caejde


I am not sure. Those yellow things are there and they both wouldn't be able to squeeze through at the same time. [/*]

Couldn't one go in between the yellow things and one go in from the side? Those things look several feet away from the partition IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3
Ah ha! I found you guys! Thought you could hide, huh? :D

Hate when we get sent to outer space all of a sudden. [/*]

Did everybody think they were banned? :eek: :D

[donna]

Originally posted by caejde
Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081831.jpg [/*]

Good job, caejde! Thank you!

[gaelicpeas]

And if the call was made from Camp Lejeune - a trace on it would mean nothing, IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't know.....I think she may have known what his truck looked like. Working in the same shop as CAL from Dec - mid May, she must've at some time seen him arriving/leaving work. [/*]

Well......I believe she knew what his truck looked like (may have been in it) and knew where he lived.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Did everybody think they were banned? :eek: :D [/*]

:D ... I did, SavannahStar!

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Did everybody think they were banned? :eek: :D [/*]

I'm kinda paranoid that way. And just becuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get me!

Took our "time out" to check out the theories thread. Some veerry interesting ideas over there. I posted mine a long time ago, but it's gone now. Did we do some spring cleaning on that thread?

[caejde]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Couldn't one go in between the yellow things and one go in from the side? Those things look several feet away from the partition IMO. [/*]

I'm not sure how far apart they are since I didn't get out of the truck. One could use the side and the front...which is why I was asking when did the ATM start recording.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm kinda paranoid that way. And just becuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get me!

Took our "time out" to check out the theories thread. Some veerry interesting ideas over there. I posted mine a long time ago, but it's gone now. Did we do some spring cleaning on that thread? [/*]

That's odd, that it's not there. :confused:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Marcia3


I'm kinda paranoid that way. And just becuz I'm paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't out to get me!

Took our "time out" to check out the theories thread. Some veerry interesting ideas over there. I posted mine a long time ago, but it's gone now. Did we do some spring cleaning on that thread? [/*]

Wonder why it would be gone? I dunno.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by strick10


Wonder why it would be gone? I dunno. [/*]

I know! Sutherland read it and had it removed 'cuz I got too close to the truth!

Nothing wrong with my ego...healthy as a horse!

I dunno, I know it was there and now it's gone. :shrug:

[xray ra]

sorry about the o/t

You guys seem the most active tonight!
Anyone know why all the forums are closing for 4 WHOLE days?


CW has posted on the top of each board that everything will be closed!????:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by xray ra
sorry about the o/t

You guys seem the most active tonight!
Anyone know why all the forums are closing for 4 WHOLE days?


CW has posted on the top of each board that everything will be closed!????:shrug: [/*]

I haven't a clue. Maintenance maybe?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by xray ra
sorry about the o/t

You guys seem the most active tonight!
Anyone know why all the forums are closing for 4 WHOLE days?


CW has posted on the top of each board that everything will be closed!????:shrug: [/*]

Maybe for Easter? If so, there is usually a holiday board with a separate thread for each case....

[xray ra]

Originally posted by strick10


I haven't a clue. Maintenance maybe? [/*]

YIKES Now I know I need to go into rehab!!!!
Do they have a 12 step program for message board addicts?
LOL:lol:

[strick10]

Originally posted by xray ra


YIKES Now I know I need to go into rehab!!!!
Do they have a 12 step program for message board addicts?
LOL:lol: [/*]

That's funny. :lol:

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by xray ra


YIKES Now I know I need to go into rehab!!!!
Do they have a 12 step program for message board addicts?
LOL:lol: [/*]

LOL, hopefully it's just the Easter holiday and we'll have our holiday board. Those can be fun...but if we don't have the board for four days, holy cow!!!

[baywench]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well......I believe she knew what his truck looked like (may have been in it) and knew where he lived. [/*]

OK now I don't want any crying but this is my last post tonight! and it is.l...ITA SS

[strick10]

Originally posted by Marcia3


LOL, hopefully it's just the Easter holiday and we'll have our holiday board. Those can be fun...but if we don't have the board for four days, holy cow!!! [/*]

Guess that means I'll actually have to work non-stop the entire time.....bummer.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well......I believe she knew what his truck looked like (may have been in it) and knew where he lived. [/*]

IMO, ML knew what his truck looked like but I think it is a good possibility she did not know where he lived.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


IMO, ML knew what his truck looked like but I think it is a good possibility she did not know where he lived. [/*]

I think she knew both things.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by xray ra


YIKES Now I know I need to go into rehab!!!!
Do they have a 12 step program for message board addicts?
LOL:lol: [/*]

If not, there needs to be! I read every post on this thread every day!

:D

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


IMO, ML knew what his truck looked like but I think it is a good possibility she did not know where he lived. [/*]

Remember when it was being discussed about how some women check/drive by to see where their boyfriends etc. live. Maria may have never been to CALs house or passed by there but she was working in the personnel admin shop and she did have access to his record book. I'm sure the folks that work there are bound by using information in those records other than for updateing etc, but, she may have peeked at some point.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


Remember when it was being discussed about how some women check/drive by to see where their boyfriends etc. live. Maria may have never been to CALs house or passed by there but she was working in the personnel admin shop and she did have access to his record book. I'm sure the folks that work there are bound by using information in those records other than for updateing etc, but, she may have peeked at some point. [/*]

Could be...

As far as her driving by his house, that would be kind of risky, though, given it is on a cul-de-sac, IMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Could be...

As far as her driving by his house, that would be kind of risky, though, given it is on a cul-de-sac, IMO. [/*]

I agree w/ that. But I think she had an address for him.

[strick10]

Gotta run to the airport. Catch you all tomorrow. Have a great one!:seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


IIRC, old_lady, remember in one pic of the garage where it shows a paint roller in a tray and the paint looks white? IMO, he WAS painitng something white! Dunno what it was, tho! [/*]

Jes getting back.

The baseboards in their house are white. We know this because of the picture in their living room.

Now there could be other rooms that are white, because surely it wouldn't have taken a whole 5 gallon bucket of paint just to do the baseboards in the living room! (If that was white paint in the 5 gallon bucket)

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by henry
also i posted earlier today that i thought the garage was painted white recently . . . and i think the brown square was a test sample . . . the white is tooo white to have been there long . . . and i saw a video of their garage with the sheetrock and white dots/lines . . . jmo . . . no links . . . going off to talk with the dogs for a while . . . see you tomorrow! [/*]

I agree Henry. It was way too white to need redoing. I think they may have used a part of the garage wall to do a test color for their living room walls. I noticed in the garage photo that a paint tray had white paint in it. I think he used that white to cover up the blood he saw. I think it will become known that no painting of the ceiling was done. The blood spray would have been a fine mist and I don't think he ever thought to even check the ceiling.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


I agree w/ that. But I think she had an address for him. [/*]

Or, maybe she just knew the general area where he lived - as in "oh, I live over off Gumbranch". I can see him not telling her his exact address given that his wife lived there. JMO, and I can also see her looking up his address - could even be in the phone book, for all I know!

(our posts keep appearing on different pages - first page 4, then 16, then 15! must have to do with the cleaning)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Or, maybe she just knew the general area where he lived - as in "oh, I live over off Gumbranch". I can see him not telling her his exact address given that his wife lived there. JMO, and I can also see her looking up his address - could even be in the phone book, for all I know!

(our posts keep appearing on different pages - first page 4, then 16, then 15! must have to do with the cleaning) [/*]

And yes they had a land-line so she would know the address just by looking in the phone book.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by xray ra
sorry about the o/t

You guys seem the most active tonight!
Anyone know why all the forums are closing for 4 WHOLE days?


CW has posted on the top of each board that everything will be closed!????:shrug: [/*]

It's so we can all go Easter egg hunting!

Seriously it is because of the Easter holiday.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I think she knew both things.

imoo [/*]

Definitely---that's a woman thang to know where the man in her life lives!

But I agree with whoever it was that said something about the cul-de-sac, that could be a problem with easing in and easing out without being seen.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde
Ok, I took a couple pictures of the ATM that Cesar used as well. I forgot my camera but I took these with my cell phone. I didn't get out of the truck and I was on my home from the gym. Sorry if they didn't turn out well.

This one is a head on shot of the ATM.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081830.jpg

This is a side shot.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/caejde/0319081831.jpg [/*]

TY caejde! You did good!

Now there's Wendy's, Bojangles, the convenience store, Michaelangelo's there. What other stores are there?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Definitely---that's a woman thang to know where the man in her life lives!

But I agree with whoever it was that said something about the cul-de-sac, that could be a problem with easing in and easing out without being seen.

jmo [/*]

We don't know for sure whether CL was the man in her life. We have heard that they dated about a month before the rape allegation - and we don't really know that for sure (although I tend to believe it). And if that is true, we also heard they went places in ML's car, not CL's. Either way, a month isn't very long.

We have also heard that ML is not real "girly-girl". I tend to agree that a lot of women would find out an address, but I am not sure all would. But JMO (and who knows!)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by caejde
At what point does the ATM start recording? [/*]

I think once you insert your card and that reminds me of something!

I was supposed to contact the person who works at MFCU and ask her that question and I had completely forgot about it.

Calling donna, Calling donna---add that on to your question to the bank man tomorrow.

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


We don't know for sure whether CL was the man in her life. We have heard that they dated about a month before the rape allegation - and we don't really know that for sure (although I tend to believe it). And if that is true, we also heard they went places in ML's car, not CL's. Either way, a month isn't very long.

We have also heard that ML is not real "girly-girl". I tend to agree that a lot of women would find out an address, but I am not sure all would. But JMO (and who knows!) [/*]Hi gaelic I had to get some stuff done and am just getting back.
I tend to agree. She might have known the vicinity of Cl's house but I don't think she had ever been there.

I just can't see Cl letting her know where he lives. He is married and I think he would view it as a risk.

Now his address might of been on the MPO but I don't know since it was off base.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


We don't know for sure whether CL was the man in her life. We have heard that they dated about a month before the rape allegation - and we don't really know that for sure (although I tend to believe it). And if that is true, we also heard they went places in ML's car, not CL's. Either way, a month isn't very long.

We have also heard that ML is not real "girly-girl". I tend to agree that a lot of women would find out an address, but I am not sure all would. But JMO (and who knows!) [/*]

But if they went places in her car like out to shoot pool and drink some beers his truck would be there from wherever they left from to go.

Just because she was athletic doesn't mean she wasn't very interested in guys that were in her life at the time.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


We don't know for sure whether CL was the man in her life. We have heard that they dated about a month before the rape allegation - and we don't really know that for sure (although I tend to believe it). And if that is true, we also heard they went places in ML's car, not CL's. Either way, a month isn't very long.

We have also heard that ML is not real "girly-girl". I tend to agree that a lot of women would find out an address, but I am not sure all would. But JMO (and who knows!) [/*]

I know Ms. GP! I was generalizing woman, sorry about that.

We don't know for sure if he was the man in her life.

I still think Maria knew where CAL lived.

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
Hi gaelic I had to get some stuff done and am just getting back.
I tend to agree. She might have known the vicinity of Cl's house but I don't think she had ever been there.

I just can't see Cl letting her know where he lives. He is married and I think he would view it as a risk.

Now his address might of been on the MPO but I don't know since it was off base. [/*]

His name and I believe Christina's too is listed in the regular phone book along with their address.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


His name and I believe Christina's too is listed in the regular phone book along with their address.

imoo [/*]That is true. She could of looked it up. So what is your theory on the mapquest?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


But if they went places in her car like out to shoot pool and drink some beers his truck would be there from wherever they left from to go.

Just because she was athletic doesn't mean she wasn't very interested in guys that were in her life at the time.

imoo [/*]

Oh I just had another thought----I remember doing a yahoo or mapquest search early on in this case and when the result was returned it actually showed me the Alander's house, not the Laurean's as being 103.

JMO

PS: Thanks to Lynn_T who has solved the mystery as to one possibility as to why the Alander's are no longer living next door. The house at 101 went into foreclosure(s) as of January 7, 2008 and February 4, 2008. The Alander's were not the owner's either. :eek:

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Jes getting back.

The baseboards in their house are white. We know this because of the picture in their living room.

Now there could be other rooms that are white, because surely it wouldn't have taken a whole 5 gallon bucket of paint just to do the baseboards in the living room! (If that was white paint in the 5 gallon bucket)

JMO [/*]

Got to be it, nuttin! Why paint a room and not paint the baseboards?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
Hi gaelic I had to get some stuff done and am just getting back.
I tend to agree. She might have known the vicinity of Cl's house but I don't think she had ever been there.

I just can't see Cl letting her know where he lives. He is married and I think he would view it as a risk.

Now his address might of been on the MPO but I don't know since it was off base. [/*]

I don't know if CAL's off base address was listed but in this picture of the MPO (found in Maria's car) the address listed is his on base work address:

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=AnothercopyofMPO-1.gif

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I think once you insert your card and that reminds me of something!

I was supposed to contact the person who works at MFCU and ask her that question and I had completely forgot about it.

Calling donna, Calling donna---add that on to your question to the bank man tomorrow. [/*]

LOL, I am just now getting back and reading backwards! I will ask that question as well, nuttin, and will post it!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
Hi gaelic I had to get some stuff done and am just getting back.
I tend to agree. She might have known the vicinity of Cl's house but I don't think she had ever been there.

I just can't see Cl letting her know where he lives. He is married and I think he would view it as a risk.

Now his address might of been on the MPO but I don't know since it was off base. [/*]

It may have been on the MPO, Hinman - I can't remember.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know Ms. GP! I was generalizing woman, sorry about that.

We don't know for sure if he was the man in her life.

I still think Maria knew where CAL lived.

JMO [/*]

no problem, Nuttin! And she may have known his address - I was just saying that it is possible that she didn't.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


But if they went places in her car like out to shoot pool and drink some beers his truck would be there from wherever they left from to go.

Just because she was athletic doesn't mean she wasn't very interested in guys that were in her life at the time.

imoo [/*]

I didn't mean that she wasn't interested in guys in her life. I just meant that not all women look up addresses, drive by bf's house, etc.

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know Ms. GP! I was generalizing woman, sorry about that.

We don't know for sure if he was the man in her life.

I still think Maria knew where CAL lived.

JMO [/*]
IMO, I definately believe Maria knew where the Laurean's lived. I would guess it wouldn't be hard to access his address from the Base records.

Another thought, maybe somewhere along the line she learned of his address via the allegation report she filed :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I don't know if CAL's off base address was listed but in this picture of the MPO (found in Maria's car) the address listed is his on base work address:

http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn213/Nuttins198/?action=view&current=AnothercopyofMPO-1.gif [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin...

[CanCan]

Originally posted by donna


If not, there needs to be! I read every post on this thread every day!

:D [/*]

I'm leaving on Saturday for a week in Prague and Vienna with NO internet access.........I'm getting the Delirium Tremens (sp) just thinking about it! :eek:

I'll keep my eyes peeled for CL while I'm over there - ya never know!:cool:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


But if they went places in her car like out to shoot pool and drink some beers his truck would be there from wherever they left from to go.

Just because she was athletic doesn't mean she wasn't very interested in guys that were in her life at the time.

imoo [/*]

It was alleged by Ms. Renner they went to Sharpshooters. Sharpshooters is over by Office Max (by Wallworld) on Hwy. 17. It used to be the old Scholsky's sub shop.

jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by CanCan


I'm leaving on Saturday for a week in Prague and Vienna with NO internet access.........I'm getting the Delirium Tremens (sp) just thinking about it! :eek:

I'll keep my eyes peeled for CL while I'm over there - ya never know!:cool: [/*]

Hi, CanCan!

:tongue: - Yes, that is indeed a tongue stuck out! Prague and Vienna? Smarty Pants!

No, I do hope your trip is great! Take care, and YES keep your eyes peeled for CAL - anything is possible (as we know)!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Oh I just had another thought----I remember doing a yahoo or mapquest search early on in this case and when the result was returned it actually showed me the Alander's house, not the Laurean's as being 103.

JMO

PS: Thanks to Lynn_T who has solved the mystery as to one possibility as to why the Alander's are no longer living next door. The house at 101 went into foreclosure(s) as of January 7, 2008 and February 4, 2008. The Alander's were not the owner's either. :eek: [/*]
Were you able to read who the owner was/is?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


It was alleged by Ms. Renner they went to Sharpshooters. Sharpshooters is over by Office Max (by Wallworld) on Hwy. 17. It used to be the old Scholsky's sub shop.

jmo [/*]

Not sure where that is as I am not real familiar with Jacksonville (other than from this case!). Is that closer to where ML lived or closer to where CL lived?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Were you able to read who the owner was/is? [/*]

Yes m'am I was. I'll pm you with the name and link.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
That is true. She could of looked it up. So what is your theory on the mapquest? [/*]

Geeze. I just answered you and then hit the wrong key somehow on my new computer and it went poof!:( Grrrr I still don't like this darn keyboard. lol

Anywho........I think there was most likely a map of sorts found in her vehicle. She may have had his physical address but didn't know exactly how to get there from her own home. I also think searches on DDs computer will be very important in this case.

Or the map may have nothing to do with Jacksonville at all but maybe a map of the El Paso area showing a certain part of town with the street names on it.

I do think CS and team have found the connection to El Paso concerning Maria but as he stated in his answers to Nuttin he is not going to disclose what that connection is at this time.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes m'am I was. I'll pm you with the name and link. [/*]
TY, meant to add that I didn't want you to post any personal info. here..............

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Not sure where that is as I am not real familiar with Jacksonville (other than from this case!). Is that closer to where ML lived or closer to where CL lived? [/*]

By far it's closer to CAL than to Maria's.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


By far it's closer to CAL than to Maria's. [/*]

Ok, thanks...

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


By far it's closer to CAL than to Maria's. [/*]
Of course we don't know where Maria was living at that point in time since she only started living at DD's place in Nov. IIRC

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Of course we don't know where Maria was living at that point in time since she only started living at DD's place in Nov. IIRC [/*]

She would be living in the barracks on base.

imoo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Of course we don't know where Maria was living at that point in time since she only started living at DD's place in Nov. IIRC [/*]

Checking on that now. ;)