Discussion - March 18th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace? The last person to have seen him was the coworker. Was there nobody on the streets that evening? Nobody saw him get in his car? I guess I just can't understand the lack of tips and/or leads in this case.

In one of the links, I believe it was the agencyspy one, someone mentioned he may have hopped on a bus. Were the bus stations checked? Train Stations? Airport?

Today my plea goes out to whomever may think they have seen him. Even if you're unsure it was Nicholas. Please come forward with any information you may have. Thank you.

Continued prayers for Nicholas. :rose:

[n/t]

Another plea to anybody in SeaTac area to please post flyers at bus stations, train stations and airport. If he left, it may be too late, however it may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen him.

Thank you.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by n/t
Another plea to anybody in SeaTac area to please post flyers at bus stations, train stations and airport. If he left, it may be too late, however it may trigger someone's memory. Someone who may have seen him.

Thank you. [/*]

Good Morning n/t :seeya:

Threads are getting smaller and smaller, very sad. I wonder if they will search the Lake that Christine ask them to?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Danette44


Good Morning n/t :seeya:

Threads are getting smaller and smaller, very sad. I wonder if they will search the Lake that Christine ask them to? [/*]

Hi Danette,

I read the post. If true, I hope they can rule out the Lake. I believe it was Lake Panther. Is that close to where he was last seen?

As for the threads getting smaller and smaller, the lack of information from LE is not helping. We have no updates whatsoever about the fingerprint analysis. And those two positive leads??? Hello? Was it Nicholas on the camera videos or not?

Very frustrating but we shouldn't give up. :rose:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by n/t


Hi Danette,

I read the post. If true, I hope they can rule out the Lake. I believe it was Lake Panther. Is that close to where he was last seen?

As for the threads getting smaller and smaller, the lack of information from LE is not helping. We have no updates whatsoever about the fingerprint analysis. And those two positive leads??? Hello? Was it Nicholas on the camera videos or not?

Very frustrating but we shouldn't give up. :rose: [/*]

Thats my understanding Lake Panther and Christine said it was close to his work, I pray she is upfront with Harlett, and none of this changing stories otherwise no one will get anywhere trying to locate Nicholas. I'm off to work, will check in later have a great day!

[carterkatt]

A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know?

[SeattleEddie]

Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found.

[n/t]

Originally posted by carterkatt
A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know? [/*]

Hi caterkatt,

I don't have the answers to your questions but wanted to add one more. Did Nicholas have a direct line at work or did his calls go through a main line (receptionist or automated)?

I guess the only people who can answer those questions would be his boss and coworkers.

IIRC, Christine mentioned calling him or they spoke several times that day. Not sure if that's unusual or not. I would think during a morning or afternoon or lunch break would be more than enough but I don't know. IMO, unless there is something serious going on, I don't understand the need to talk that often. I could understand if one of the children was sick or Christine was not well, etc. but that's just my opinion.

[n/t]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found. [/*]

Thanks for clarifying that. In your opinion, would there be another place (land or water) that should be searched? I know we've suggested so many but what would be the next obvious place to check.

TIA!

[n/t]

SeattleEddie,

How far/close is the bus station or train station from his workplace?

TIA!

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by carterkatt
A lot of theories where suggested last night (catching up on my reading!) and many of them suggest that N and C had a fight and she may have been calling/nagging him at work, thus the cell phone "went dead".

Do we have any way of knowing what their ususal phone patterns were during a work day? Did they talk often? On cell or land line? Was she the type to call him at work often, or even not at all? Anyone know? [/*]

Yeah we were talking about that last night.
Also i asked have all the local bars been checked to see if anyone had seen him that night?
I can't remember.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace? The last person to have seen him was the coworker. Was there nobody on the streets that evening? Nobody saw him get in his car? I guess I just can't understand the lack of tips and/or leads in this case.

In one of the links, I believe it was the agencyspy one, someone mentioned he may have hopped on a bus. Were the bus stations checked? Train Stations? Airport?

Today my plea goes out to whomever may think they have seen him. Even if you're unsure it was Nicholas. Please come forward with any information you may have. Thank you.

Continued prayers for Nicholas. :rose: [/*]


The lack of information from LE is frustrating.
They asked for our help, but we don't get any more info from them at all?
I really hope if they know something and don't need our help that they will tell us!

[n/t]

Originally posted by soyesterday



The lack of information from LE is frustrating.
They asked for our help, but we don't get any more info from them at all?
I really hope if they know something and don't need our help that they will tell us! [/*]

So true.

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning all,

How can anyone just disappear without a trace?

--snipped--


Continued prayers for Nicholas. :rose: [/*]


It has been happening for years.....

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-missing0309.artmar09,0,7670137.story

[desmom]

Originally posted by soyesterday


Yeah we were talking about that last night.
Also i asked have all the local bars been checked to see if anyone had seen him that night?
I can't remember. [/*]

Oops forgot....

Good Morning All!

One of NF's coworkers stated he never stopped off to see friends or to hang out.

Never?

Everyone needs a break...some type of hobby or sport....or just a little bit of me time. A couple of hours of hanging out with friends to chew the fat, boating, fishing, golf, camping, penny ante neighborhood card game....

All work and no play can lead to a very stressful life.


jmo

[Shelby1]

Good morning everyone :seeya:

I, too, have a hard time getting my head around the fact that someone can just disappear without a trace!

I hope some new information from LE is released soon--if they have any, that is.

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom



It has been happening for years.....

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-missing0309.artmar09,0,7670137.story [/*]

Thanks for the link desmom.

This is what stood out at me:

The article stated: "Detective Lt. Julian P. Darman said Saturday that young MacDonald had been somewhat despondent recently. He was described as a retiring type of individual who took solitary walks and visited libraries, museums and art galleries."

====

To me that's something. It may not have lead them to the missing person but it's a sign that something was wrong. Something was bothering him.

With Nicholas, from all we've read and heard about him, he was a happy guy. Very excited about having a new baby. No unusual behaviour per wife, coworkers.

I'm stumped. :shrug:

[mc528]

I'd like to answer a question posed on yesterday's thread last night after I signed off. Oregaongal posted this:

I'm just back after watching a movie with my DD and I see the discussion about the PI, hiring, positng about, is there, isn't there one is still being discussed. Forgive my ignorance about this, but as I posted earlier, what is the big deal about this? Is it because there is nothing else to discuss? Is it because I've missed some importance in the whole thing? What?

IMO, if Publicis had indeed hired a PI, yet neither CF or LE know anything of it (and then Harlett not either), wouldn't this be a significant person who should be found and contacted by LE and/or CF? They could have information as to NF's disappearance that they are not under any obligation to disclose to anyone except the entity that hired them.

Also, WHY WOULD Publicis hire a PI, and then that PI not contact CF or LE? Knowing that could be a significant lead as to why NF is missing. NF was not high up in the corporate ladder at Publicis...just the fact that such a large cmpany would even bother to hire a PI in this type of case is in itself very, very atypical.

And then there is the possibility that CF did indeed know about the PI (which would likely be the case if it was the mailpen site that the information was relayed to the biz site community on - which is looking to be the case). The fact that there was a PI investigating seems like a pretty significant thing to omit telling Harlett, or omit in any further discussions/blog posts. With all of the other questions/speculation that had been answered on the *facts* list, it already is a little strange that the PI issue hadn't already been confirmed or clarified....since it has been asked/questions multiple times in the various threads here and elsewhere. Wasn't it the questions on the crime boards that prompted the creation of that blog *facts* entry?

MOO/JMO/IMO

[desmom]

What we do know:

NF and CF have been married 7 years, have 2 children + one on the way.

He went to work at Publicis on 2/13.

He spoke to his wife several times through the day and at the end of the day.

His coworkers reported NF said his cell phone battery was dying (or dead).

He was going to sign off on something at work and stop at Costco for organic sugar.

A coworker saw him leave the building at approx. 6:10 p.m.

He had his laptop in an orange and grey messenger bag, cell phone and ipod.

His Costco card was not used.

A coworker reported he is not one to hang out with friends or stop somewhere after work.

Their financial situation is iffy.

Per AMW, his car was seen in the Heritage Condos on 2/15 and reported on 2/18. The doors were unlocked, no sign of foul play and his laptop, ipod or cell phone were in the car.

He has not made any transactions on credit cards or bank accounts.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports his hobbies are Screen printing, Fonts, Type setting, Old fashion print pressing, mechanically inclined. His passion is fonts.

Anything else?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528
I'd like to answer a question posed on yesterday's thread last night after I signed off. Oregaongal posted this:



IMO, if Publicis had indeed hired a PI, yet neither CF or LE know anything of it (and then Harlett not either), wouldn't this be a significant person who should be found and contacted by LE and/or CF? They could have information as to NF's disappearance that they are not under any obligation to disclose to anyone except the entity that hired them.

Also, WHY WOULD Publicis hire a PI, and then that PI not contact CF or LE? Knowing that could be a significant lead as to why NF is missing. NF was not high up in the corporate ladder at Publicis...just the fact that such a large cmpany would even bother to hire a PI in this type of case is in itself very, very atypical.

And then there is the possibility that CF did indeed know about the PI (which would likely be the case if it was the mailpen site that the information was relayed to the biz site community on - which is looking to be the case). The fact that there was a PI investigating seems like a pretty significant thing to omit telling Harlett, or omit in any further discussions/blog posts. With all of the other questions/speculation that had been answered on the *facts* list, it already is a little strange that the PI issue hadn't already been confirmed or clarified....since it has been asked/questions multiple times in the various threads here and elsewhere. Wasn't it the questions on the crime boards that prompted the creation of that blog *facts* entry?

MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

Hi mc :seeya:

IMO JMO MOO ...someone isn't telling the truth.

[decor]

There were two West Seattle Blogs both have been removed and replaced with one but all of the old info is gone. I believe the info about the PI was there and if I remember correctly Christine had nothing to do with that blog.

She may have read about it like everyone else but if she was never contacted then she would know nothing about a PI except what she read like everyone else.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here :) The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.


I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom
What we do know:

NF and CF have been married 7 years, have 2 children + one on the way.

He went to work at Publicis on 2/13.

He spoke to his wife several times through the day and at the end of the day.

His coworkers reported NF said his cell phone battery was dying (or dead).

He was going to sign off on something at work and stop at Costco for organic sugar.

A coworker saw him leave the building at approx. 6:10 p.m.

He had his laptop in an orange and grey messenger bag, cell phone and ipod.

His Costco card was not used.

A coworker reported he is not one to hang out with friends or stop somewhere after work.

Their financial situation is iffy.

Per AMW, his car was seen in the Heritage Condos on 2/15 and reported on 2/18. The doors were unlocked, no sign of foul play and his laptop, ipod or cell phone were in the car.

He has not made any transactions on credit cards or bank accounts.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports his hobbies are Screen printing, Fonts, Type setting, Old fashion print pressing, mechanically inclined. His passion is fonts.

Anything else? [/*]


IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car.

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi mc :seeya:

IMO JMO MOO ...someone isn't telling the truth. [/*]

Or hiding something. :seeya:

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t



IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car. [/*]

I knew that LOL! ..... poor proofreading on my part. Thanks.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here :) The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.


I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

Welcome Back Rainy :seeya:

IF there is a PI, I do not see how they can effectively do their job if they do not interview Christine. She is the person closest to him. Maybe the PI hired by Public's, IF a PI was hired, was hired for other reasons.

This case is like an onion.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here :) The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.


I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

Hi Rainy, glad you're back!

I totally agree with you about the PI.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here :) The frustration with Christine refusing to do even simple things to help find Nicholas is puzzling, but I do not have the power to change that. Hopefully someone in Nick's family can influence her to contact TES and do simple things such as adding his pic to her blog and her MySpace.


I did some reading last night and I do believe the issue of the PI (her knowing/not knowing) is important. The blog that reported the information about the PI calls itself "Agency Spy - lurking around the watercooler". So either we believe they have inside information or it is just a rumor.

IF there is really a PI, I would think Christine would be the first one they contacted. I would think they would try to get a picture of how Nick's mind frame was. Had he been sleeping? Had he given away anything of value? Had he detached somewhat with his best friends? Then they would move on to talk to other family members, friends, co-workers, employees at Costco, the storage place, etc.

On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]


So happy you're back. You made my day. As usual, excellent thought out post.

I would lean to the PI story being true. Now whether Christine knew or not remains a mystery. If she didn't, then there may be other reasons for them to not get the family involved.

:seeya:

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom


I knew that LOL! ..... poor proofreading on my part. Thanks. [/*]

NP. It happens. :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Thanks everybody :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t



IIRC, his laptop, cellphone and ipod were NOT in the car. [/*]

The ignition was intact

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t



So happy you're back. You made my day. As usual, excellent thought out post.

I would lean to the PI story being true. Now whether Christine knew or not remains a mystery. If she didn't, then there may be other reasons for them to not get the family involved.

:seeya: [/*]

Maybe CF is aware of the PI. Because of what the PI is looking for, Christine does not want to acknowledge the fact a PI is investigating NF.

jmo


:seeya: Rainy

[Shelby1]

Just did a quick google search to see if any new articles were written and came up with zilch.

[Shelby1]

Were the keys in the car?

[mc528]

Originally posted by decor
There were two West Seattle Blogs both have been removed and replaced with one but all of the old info is gone. I believe the info about the PI was there and if I remember correctly Christine had nothing to do with that blog.

She may have read about it like everyone else but if she was never contacted then she would know nothing about a PI except what she read like everyone else. [/*]


I've got both of those, as well as the ABC news story bookmarked. Going to read all of the comments on all of them today to see if, and also WHEN, any information on a PI was mentioned. I don't think, IMO, if my memory serves me correctly, that the general biz community forum participants were even aware of those sites (and to thus have gleened the PI knowledge from there) until after the evening of 2/18 when it was first acknowledged in the E*** threads. But, definitely worth checking out - I'll do that while at work today.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Panther Lake, and Panther Lake Park are just behind the complex where his car was found.

Mornin' All!

Question for Eddie (or any others from that area)

- is the lake/park one that can be driven to and have water access within just a few feet of walking from where you park?

I've read that early on that family/friends did do searches and was this area canvassed before?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Were the keys in the car? [/*]

No, it was reported by LE shorty after the car was found that the keys were not in it, it was unlocked when found, and the ignition showed no signs of being tampered with (so whomever drove the car to the condo complex did so with the keys in the ignition)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


Maybe CF is aware of the PI. Because of what the PI is looking for, Christine does not want to acknowledge the fact a PI is investigating NF.

jmo


:seeya: Rainy [/*]

Hi Desmom :seeya:
That would be understandable, but I don't know why she would deny it to Harlett. If Harlett is going to be able to help her, she needs the truth.

[n/t]

Originally posted by mc528



I've got both of those, as well as the ABC news story bookmarked. Going to read all of the comments on all of them today to see if, and also WHEN, any information on a PI was mentioned. I don't think, IMO, if my memory serves me correctly, that the general biz community forum participants were even aware of those sites (and to thus have gleened the PI knowledge from there) until after the evening of 2/18 when it was first acknowledged in the E*** threads. But, definitely worth checking out - I'll do that while at work today. [/*]

Thanks for doing this, mc!

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by mc528


No, it was reported by LE shorty after the car was found that the keys were not in it, it was unlocked when found, and the ignition showed no signs of being tampered with (so whomever drove the car to the condo complex did so with the keys in the ignition) [/*]

Thank you, mc. I need to make myself a chart so I can keep all of the detail straight.

[decor]

Originally posted by mc528



I've got both of those, as well as the ABC news story bookmarked. Going to read all of the comments on all of them today to see if, and also WHEN, any information on a PI was mentioned. I don't think, IMO, if my memory serves me correctly, that the general biz community forum participants were even aware of those sites (and to thus have gleened the PI knowledge from there) until after the evening of 2/18 when it was first acknowledged in the E*** threads. But, definitely worth checking out - I'll do that while at work today. [/*]

they were aware of them because that was how I found them. I hadn't found this board yet. at that point I hadn't googled anything and was just following the the original thread.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by desmom

<snip>

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports his hobbies are Screen printing, Fonts, Type setting, Old fashion print pressing, mechanically inclined. His passion is fonts.

Anything else?

Mornin' desmom- IRRC in the link thread, (maybe it was a daily thread?) someone had found a site that had several pics posted with Nick being in some sort of marathon/race with a group of people (maybe coworkers). He seemed very happy and very fit.

I'd consider running/jogging a hobby or an interest and wondered if he was one to do a daily jog?

In another case still unresolved, the family had neighbors that were outspoken and pretty much knew the family's routine of outside activities and even noticed when different vehicles were on the property.

Any local news reporters on this case that have spoken with neighbors?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528
I'd like to answer a question posed on yesterday's thread last night after I signed off. Oregaongal posted this:



IMO, if Publicis had indeed hired a PI, yet neither CF or LE know anything of it (and then Harlett not either), wouldn't this be a significant person who should be found and contacted by LE and/or CF? They could have information as to NF's disappearance that they are not under any obligation to disclose to anyone except the entity that hired them.

Also, WHY WOULD Publicis hire a PI, and then that PI not contact CF or LE? Knowing that could be a significant lead as to why NF is missing. NF was not high up in the corporate ladder at Publicis...just the fact that such a large cmpany would even bother to hire a PI in this type of case is in itself very, very atypical.

And then there is the possibility that CF did indeed know about the PI (which would likely be the case if it was the mailpen site that the information was relayed to the biz site community on - which is looking to be the case). The fact that there was a PI investigating seems like a pretty significant thing to omit telling Harlett, or omit in any further discussions/blog posts. With all of the other questions/speculation that had been answered on the *facts* list, it already is a little strange that the PI issue hadn't already been confirmed or clarified....since it has been asked/questions multiple times in the various threads here and elsewhere. Wasn't it the questions on the crime boards that prompted the creation of that blog *facts* entry?

MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

If this PI exists, I strongly agree with you - LE should have at least verified whether this was true or not and talked to this person.

[Shelby1]

For what it's worth, I just used Google earth and looked up their house. Looks like a nice neighborhood......

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by desmom



It has been happening for years.....

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-missing0309.artmar09,0,7670137.story

One page 2 of your link it mentions the Charley Project, one that I will post the link frequently on missing people.

<snip from your link>

In January, Meaghan Good, who operates The Charley Project missing-persons website where MacDonald's past and present lives were knitted together, received an e-mail from MacDonald's nephew, Kevin MacDonald. He wanted her to know that David *. MacDonald was no longer "missing."

"Through your site, I was contacted by a person who discovered that my uncle, missing for more than 50 years, had been alive and well, living in Seattle.

.... Without the listing of the missing person information on your website, my aunts and uncles would have never learned the fate of their brother."

[mc528]

Originally posted by decor


they were aware of them because that was how I found them. I hadn't found this board yet. at that point I hadn't googled anything and was just following the the original thread. [/*]


I know there was awareness....I remember there was a big hupla about them when they were first mentioned in the threads. My question is WHEN that awareness started. I re-read every one of those threads last night up until the posting times of about midnight on 2/18, and saw no mention of any of those sites/articles.....yet did see several posters referencing the PI being hired (and not questioned by any other poster as to the source of the information....which to me meant it was *public* knowledge that all following the saga would have known)

[isitme]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hi Desmom :seeya:
That would be understandable, but I don't know why she would deny it to Harlett. If Harlett is going to be able to help her, she needs the truth. [/*]

I suppose it depends on exactly what CF reported to Harlett.

Did she say "I have not been contacted by a PI"

OR

Did she say " I don't know anything about Publicis hiring a PI"

OR

Did she say "There is no PI working on this case"


IIRC Harlett said that she was told CF had not been contacted by a PI. (too bleary eyed and low on caffine to go look for her exact statement). Which sounds to me like she may have known that there was one on the case but that she had had no contact him/her. However, like some of the rest of you, I wonder how can a PI do a proper job, regardless of who is paying and why they were hired (just to find him because he is missing, or there is a business issue that Pubicis is concerned with) if they don't talk to the spouse. Surely at some point she read the same information that we did, so if it were not true why wouldn't she correct that fact in her blog? And why after all this time would she not contact Publicis and ask about it as in . . .
- did you guys hire a PI
- Why did you hire one
- Why have I not been contacted by the PI
- What have they learned from their investigation
- Why did you not tell me you had hired one before now

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by isitme


I suppose it depends on exactly what CF reported to Harlett.

Did she say "I have not been contacted by a PI"

OR

Did she say " I don't know anything about Publicis hiring a PI"

OR

Did she say "There is no PI working on this case"


IIRC Harlett said that she was told CF had not been contacted by a PI. (too bleary eyed and low on caffine to go look for her exact statement). Which sounds to me like she may have known that there was one on the case but that she had had no contact him/her. However, like some of the rest of you, I wonder how can a PI do a proper job, regardless of who is paying and why they were hired (just to find him because he is missing, or there is a business issue that Pubicis is concerned with) if they don't talk to the spouse. Surely at some point she read the same information that we did, so if it were not true why wouldn't she correct that fact in her blog? And why after all this time would she not contact Publicis and ask about it as in . . .
- did you guys hire a PI
- Why did you hire one
- Why have I not been contacted by the PI
- What have they learned from their investigation
- Why did you not tell me you had hired one before now [/*]

Exactly.

[saydeezmom]

Originally posted by Postergeist


Mornin' desmom- IRRC in the link thread, (maybe it was a daily thread?) someone had found a site that had several pics posted with Nick being in some sort of marathon/race with a group of people (maybe coworkers). He seemed very happy and very fit.

I'd consider running/jogging a hobby or an interest and wondered if he was one to do a daily jog?

In another case still unresolved, the family had neighbors that were outspoken and pretty much knew the family's routine of outside activities and even noticed when different vehicles were on the property.

Any local news reporters on this case that have spoken with neighbors? [/*]

I still think it is weird that many photos were taken of him. He was usually right in the center of the photo. Who took the photos? A guy or girl co-worker? It could have been put out there on Flickr (i think) tagged with his name; so "someone" could acquire those pics without being noticed. Were that many photos taken of other coworkers in the race? Especially one that was tagged with their name?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Postergeist


Mornin' desmom- IRRC in the link thread, (maybe it was a daily thread?) someone had found a site that had several pics posted with Nick being in some sort of marathon/race with a group of people (maybe coworkers). He seemed very happy and very fit.

I'd consider running/jogging a hobby or an interest and wondered if he was one to do a daily jog?

In another case still unresolved, the family had neighbors that were outspoken and pretty much knew the family's routine of outside activities and even noticed when different vehicles were on the property.

Any local news reporters on this case that have spoken with neighbors? [/*]

:seeya: I would consider running/jogging a hobby also. I wonder why it is not listed on the flyer.

There are a lot of joggers/walkers in our little farming community. I would think there would be quite a few in Seattle also.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports he was wearing Asics Tennis shoes. I do not know anything about brand name tennis shoes LOL! Are these considered a running shoe?

Maybe he had a stressful day and decided to take a short run. Is there a jogging path near where his car was found?

[LilOsmommy]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
On the flip side IF there is really a PI hired by Publicis and Christine has not been notified, it does not seem as though this would be a humanitarian effort (trying to locate a husband/father/brother/son/provider) but rather something much bigger. JMO [/*]

Morning everyone! I'm questioning the whole PI thing now - according to google there is only one site that mentions Publicis hiring a PI - actually two links but it seems to be the same site with different names:

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/art-director-missing-nicholas-francisco/

http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/art_director_missing_nicholas_francisco_77713.asp

So that, combined with the fact that CF was never contacted by a PI for Publicis leads me to think the author of above blogs had some misinformation. On the other hand if his info is correct then Publicis might be trying to keep their investigator very, very private! I'm getting the sinking feeling that we're never going to get any answers to any of our questions :confused: I just wish LE would come forward with something, anything at this rate - fingerprint results, just a word that he's even still missing at all! No one is saying a word, it's strange.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by saydeezmom


I still think it is weird that many photos were taken of him. He was usually right in the center of the photo. Who took the photos? A guy or girl co-worker? It could have been put out there on Flickr (i think) tagged with his name; so "someone" could acquire those pics without being noticed. Were that many photos taken of other coworkers in the race? Especially one that was tagged with their name?

First I was thinking it might've been CF taking the pics as a wife would usually showcase their hubby in the frame;

but I've been googling this a.m. and only looking up links with CF's name & came across her jpgmag site where no photos of her hubby are posted.

IRRC, it seemed whoever posted that orig. link to the pics it was from some guy's photoblog thingy, however, he may have uploaded pics that others took and it may contain photos from several people's cameras.

:shrug:

[Shelby1]

Gosh, there are a lot of private investigators in the Seattle area!

[huskiki]

There is mention of Nicholas' employer hiring a PI on the West Seattle Blog.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments

See comment by Michelle on Feb 27th. That's the first one I found but I just started looking.

EDIT: I cannot search any further because comments over 3 weeks are not retained.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by desmom


:seeya: I would consider running/jogging a hobby also. I wonder why it is not listed on the flyer.

There are a lot of joggers/walkers in our little farming community. I would think there would be quite a few in Seattle also.

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/ reports he was wearing Asics Tennis shoes. I do not know anything about brand name tennis shoes LOL! Are these considered a running shoe?

Maybe he had a stressful day and decided to take a short run. Is there a jogging path near where his car was found?

ah, but somewhere the toast is mentioned! :tongue:

Yes, I'd think Asics would be a nice all-around shoe for running, tho so many styles out there- thinner types for sprinting, sturdier for walking- then the all-terrain.

(I'm not brand specific on most stuff except for daily needs/food items)

Being close to a lake would be a perfect place to go to after a stressful day- wonder if he or his family ever did frequent Panther Lake at all?

[Shelby1]

Here is a site that tells in great detail "how to disappear from society".

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/vanish.htm

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Here is a site that tells in great detail "how to disappear from society".

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/vanish.htm [/*]

:eek: Wow

[Mrs.Butterworth]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Here is a site that tells in great detail "how to disappear from society".

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/vanish.htm [/*]


Oh my!!!!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Here is a site that tells in great detail "how to disappear from society".

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/vanish.htm [/*]

:eek:

[KKKKKKatie]

Not easy to leave us all speechless but Shelby managed to do it LOL

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by huskiki
There is mention of Nicholas' employer hiring a PI on the West Seattle Blog.
<snip>

hammer argh huskiki! Well, I just burned 25 calories scrolling thru that, but did see that post (among some others that made my jaw drop!)

It is puzzling that with all the many, many newsblogs, community blogs, family blogs, religious blogs, et al that none have put up any more updates, bumped for prayers...I can't find a speck of chatter or posts from March on (and these are sites that say they know CF or NF, went to school with them, worked with them, graduated with them, attended church with them, nada!)

I can't figure if it's become taboo or gauche or what? All the fervor initially in so many corners and then....

nothing.

Odd indeed.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
Not easy to leave us all speechless but Shelby managed to do it LOL [/*]

LOL!

I am still reading through it--lots of good tips if you want to go into hiding......

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Shelby1


LOL!

I am still reading through it--lots of good tips if you want to go into hiding...... [/*]

Katie chains Shelby to her chair :( Your not going anywhere chicky...unless I can go to :D

Back on topic I find it fascinating that so many people would be interested in this that an entire book (website) is dedicated to it

[tulipmom]

because the West Seattle blog is the one where she tried to quiet stuff and the mod told her people could post what they wanted. As we said last night Harlett said " They have not been contacted and know nothing about a PI " But CF did know since she posted on that West Seattle blog. She also totally knew about the Agency Spy site early on where it was mentioned. That agency site is the Publicis site, right? They were the ones also trying to figure out how to track his computer which I believe has been said belongs to Publicis? Also, his car keys. This has been brought up before but since they were not with the car, and most likely had their house keys on it too, wouldn't LE have told CF to change her locks immediately? Yet she never addressed this on her blog when people kept asking if she changed her locks. Anyone would want to do this. Unless you know who has your keys and you are not afraid?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Postergeist


hammer argh huskiki! Well, I just burned 25 calories scrolling thru that, but did see that post (among some others that made my jaw drop!)

It is puzzling that with all the many, many newsblogs, community blogs, family blogs, religious blogs, et al that none have put up any more updates, bumped for prayers...I can't find a speck of chatter or posts from March on (and these are sites that say they know CF or NF, went to school with them, worked with them, graduated with them, attended church with them, nada!)

I can't figure if it's become taboo or gauche or what? All the fervor initially in so many corners and then....

nothing.

Odd indeed. [/*]

Looks like even his newest find Nicholas website has not been updated since March 12th.

Poor Nicholas :rose:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Postergeist


hammer argh huskiki! Well, I just burned 25 calories scrolling thru that, but did see that post (among some others that made my jaw drop!)

It is puzzling that with all the many, many newsblogs, community blogs, family blogs, religious blogs, et al that none have put up any more updates, bumped for prayers...I can't find a speck of chatter or posts from March on (and these are sites that say they know CF or NF, went to school with them, worked with them, graduated with them, attended church with them, nada!)

I can't figure if it's become taboo or gauche or what? All the fervor initially in so many corners and then....

nothing.

Odd indeed. [/*]

At least you burned some calories. LOL

It is strange. You would think that if a person went as far as to create a website or blog for Nicholas then they would maintain it. Otherwise, what's the point? I guess it would appear in a google search and you would be able to get Nicholas' picture and stroy but people want updates. I want updates. :cuss:

Nicholas could have disappeared without any of us knowing. I'm sure people do every day and we don't hear about it. This case was brought to the media, local and national, and the public was asked to help find a missing man. Why shouldn't we be informed now? :patriot:

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by huskiki
<snip>

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments

EDIT: I cannot search any further because comments over 3 weeks are not retained.

Okay, can someone tell me then where the Sea/Tac community is also discussing this locally? As I just saw the bottom of the page where the WSB Editor basically says move along to either WS or to IS (here) to discuss Nick's disappearance.

Wow, here's the door, topic is verboten.

imo

[n/t]

Originally posted by tulipmom
because the West Seattle blog is the one where she tried to quiet stuff and the mod told her people could post what they wanted. As we said last night Harlett said " They have not been contacted and know nothing about a PI " But CF did know since she posted on that West Seattle blog. She also totally knew about the Agency Spy site early on where it was mentioned. That agency site is the Publicis site, right? They were the ones also trying to figure out how to track his computer which I believe has been said belongs to Publicis? Also, his car keys. This has been brought up before but since they were not with the car, and most likely had their house keys on it too, wouldn't LE have told CF to change her locks immediately? Yet she never addressed this on her blog when people kept asking if she changed her locks. Anyone would want to do this. Unless you know who has your keys and you are not afraid? [/*]

Great points about the house keys. If Christine believes he was murdered, wouldn't she be afraid someone wanted to do harm to her family? I know if my husband went missing without a trace, I'd be terrified of the unknowns and definitely get my house locks changed! Even if he left voluntarily, I'd get them changed!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by tulipmom
because the West Seattle blog is the one where she tried to quiet stuff and the mod told her people could post what they wanted. As we said last night Harlett said " They have not been contacted and know nothing about a PI " But CF did know since she posted on that West Seattle blog. She also totally knew about the Agency Spy site early on where it was mentioned. That agency site is the Publicis site, right? They were the ones also trying to figure out how to track his computer which I believe has been said belongs to Publicis? Also, his car keys. This has been brought up before but since they were not with the car, and most likely had their house keys on it too, wouldn't LE have told CF to change her locks immediately? Yet she never addressed this on her blog when people kept asking if she changed her locks. Anyone would want to do this. Unless you know who has your keys and you are not afraid? [/*]

In addition, Christine mentioned reading here and the PI was brought up several times on different days and different times, so its not like it could have been missed in one post that flew by.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t


Great points about the house keys. If Christine believes he was murdered, wouldn't she be afraid someone wanted to do harm to her family? I know if my husband went missing without a trace, I'd be terrified of the unknowns and definitely get my house locks changed! Even if he left voluntarily, I'd get them changed! [/*]

Especially if he left voluntarily. He can ring the door bell if he returns.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Looks like even his newest find Nicholas website has not been updated since March 12th.

Poor Nicholas :rose:

:( Yes, even one of the sites in support of CF hasn't had any new postings since 2/28 IRRC - ah ha...they have done some March postings good!

...did find a mention posted on 3/11 from a blogger that mentions she's an online friend of Nick's http://mihow.com/

with the last comments being on 3/13

I'm sure this has been posted before tho since it's the one of the few online recent entries concerning his disappearance.

I do hope that anyone out there with info will decide now is the time to come forward and notify the authorities of what they know/have seen this week.

It's been more than a month now, his kids won't have him home for Easter celebrations and the authorities need to know where he can be found.

imo

[tulipmom]

on her last post on that thread. I totally agree after just reading that. I have narrowed it down to that actually. We only have CF's words that state she called LE around 10:00 p.m. Nobody can say if NF actually came home prior to that time. That is several hours! Yes, if it had been reversed the hubby would have been raked over coals by now and investigating his every step that evening for those several hours.

[Shelby1]

http://www.nampn.org/updates.html

There are SO MANY missing people out there!!!

[Postergeist]

I agree, I read her post and see those scenarios as well.

I also agree with you that if the man had been the one at home to report his wife missing, that he would be under the microscope.

(I've got to run off and do my daughterly duties for the day)

:seeya:


Anyone that is reading that has any info on Nicholas'

disappearance please do the right thing and contact the


King County Sheriff’s Office tip line: 206-296-3311

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Shelby1
http://www.nampn.org/updates.html

There are SO MANY missing people out there!!! [/*]

That sure puts things in perspective. Looking at all those names makes me wonder the percentage that we've heard about. My guess is that it's a very small percent.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by huskiki


That sure puts things in perspective. Looking at all those names makes me wonder the percentage that we've heard about. My guess is that it's a very small percent. [/*]

I agree.

I don't see Nicholas on there......

[Mrs.Butterworth]

I just read a comment on this site

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/art-director-missing-nicholas-francisco/

and it strikes me as weird....I'm not sure if it was ever discussed or not...if so, I apologize.

suggest2watchBusTrainLineStops Says:
February 21, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I would suggest you watch the Grey Hound Bus line or any other Bus service or train service stop areas. It only costs $92 to get to Los Angeles CA and then again you should watch the Airlines: ie: Seattle airport to Honolulu.
My prayers with you.

***********************************

Why would someone specifically mention a flight to Honolulu?? I know he is of some Filipino decent, but this specific flight (even though it's listed as just an example) stands out as strange.

[Leanne Weich]

I just got an email from my DD who lives in South Africa and got involved with missing people cases when Maddie McCann went missing. This is what it says:

"Hi Mom

Have you been following this missing person case? (attached a poster of NF - my insert here). I showed it to S and M and they both think he looks decidedly gay. As you know, M's gaydar is usually pretty much on track. Can you send me any links you may have about this guy if you are following it?

Thanks
Love you lots
T".

The S referred to is her husband and the M is her gay sister-in-law. I must be honest, when I saw the slide show of NF with all the marathon pictures, that was my first thought too. I had an uncle who was gay who just left his wife and kids to go off with a chap 29 years his junior. Nobody heard from him for 7 years until he resurfaced because the youngster had been through his money and he had Aids and could not afford treatment.

I'm not sure what I think happened in this case but this isn't something I'm totally disregarding. I'm not talking about the Aids aspect at all though. JMVHO

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by huskiki


That sure puts things in perspective. Looking at all those names makes me wonder the percentage that we've heard about. My guess is that it's a very small percent. [/*]

NCIC Statistics - provided by the FBI-NCIC for media relations -- USA & Canada

~ UPDATED ~
Current as of the October 31, 2007 indexing
~
According to the FBI-NCIC there are (approximately)
106, 062
Missing Persons listed in their system. Children and adult.

There are (approximately)
6,862
Unidentified Persons listed in their system.
Children and adult.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/index.html

[saydeezmom]

Sas LE checked that place he and his friends went camping and fishing. You know the place where they were trying to fix a car? Iwonder if it has crossed his friends, CF or anyone's mind. It looked like a private location. Just a thought. Oh and by the way...my DH thought NF was gay the first time he saw his pic. Just throwing that out there! He also thinks he walked.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by saydeezmom
Sas LE checked that place he and his friends went camping and fishing. You know the place where they were trying to fix a car? Iwonder if it has crossed his friends, CF or anyone's mind. It looked like a private location. Just a thought. Oh and by the way...my DH thought NF was gay the first time he saw his pic. Just throwing that out there! He also thinks he walked. [/*]

I have other friends that live elsewhere that felt the same. I wonder if it has to do with where you live? Here where I am is So. Cal he looks just like my son and most of his friends.

Well groomed and well dressed......Not the rugged look like you might see elsewhere in the country??? I don't know...just throwing that out there.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi mc :seeya:

IMO JMO MOO ...someone isn't telling the truth. [/*]

I seem to remember "some" folks on here being furious because CF did NOT even mention the PI on her fact list. If Ya'll just check this forum and your past posts you will see you have already criticized her because she did not address the issue. Now it seems to me you can't have it both ways so now just who isn't telling the truth or just has selective memory.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I seem to remember "some" folks on here being furious because CF did NOT even mention the PI on her fact list. If Ya'll just check this forum and your past posts you will see you have already criticized her because she did not address the issue. Now it seems to me you can't have it both ways so now just who isn't telling the truth or just has selective memory. [/*]

"some" of us weren't here from the begining....so you are wrong.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Just my thoughts on this..... I do not think anyone can tell for sure by just looking at a photo that someone is Gay. While it might be obvious in some cases, it may not be true in others. [/*]

ITA...it is very subjective. He does not "look" gay to me at all :shrug:

[isitme]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I seem to remember "some" folks on here being furious because CF did NOT even mention the PI on her fact list. If Ya'll just check this forum and your past posts you will see you have already criticized her because she did not address the issue. Now it seems to me you can't have it both ways so now just who isn't telling the truth or just has selective memory. [/*]

Her not mentioning the PI was an issue because it was published that one had been hired by the employer. Now we are told that she has not had any contact with a PI. So the concern (not criticism) is that if there is a PI on the case why haven't they talked to CF, if in fact they haven't. And if she knows that there isn't a PI involved why did she not correct that misinformation?

Not everything that is posted is a criticism of CF in spite of what some want to think!!hammer

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


"some" of us weren't here from the begining....so you are wrong. [/*]

All you need to do is search your own posts, if I read it it there.

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme


Her not mentioning the PI was an issue because it was published that one had been hired by the employer. Now we are told that she has not had any contact with a PI. So the concern (not criticism) is that if there is a PI on the case why haven't they talked to CF, if in fact they haven't. And if she knows that there isn't a PI involved why did she not correct that misinformation?

Not everything that is posted is a criticism of CF in spite of what some want to think!!hammer [/*]

Harlett posted Twice that there is none that CF KNOWS of. which means there may be one but no one ever confirmed it for her. so she didn't say anything because she didn't know.

[saydeezmom]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I have other friends that live elsewhere that felt the same. I wonder if it has to do with where you live? Here where I am is So. Cal he looks just like my son and most of his friends.

Well groomed and well dressed......Not the rugged look like you might see elsewhere in the country??? I don't know...just throwing that out there. [/*]

Are your other friends that live elsewhere male? My DH is very well groomed and well dressed. He has a very good job. We live in TX. I "threw that out there" because it was from a male's point of view. That's all. Sorry if I offended your son KKKKKKatie!

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by isitme


Her not mentioning the PI was an issue because it was published that one had been hired by the employer. Now we are told that she has not had any contact with a PI. So the concern (not criticism) is that if there is a PI on the case why haven't they talked to CF, if in fact they haven't. And if she knows that there isn't a PI involved why did she not correct that misinformation?

Not everything that is posted is a criticism of CF in spite of what some want to think!!hammer [/*]

Seems no matter what happens it is a concern that CF is wrong and it just leads to pg after pg of trying to find anything to be "concerned" about. I have read ALL the threads from the beginning that is why I had to reply to that other post insinuating CF was lying. All last night and so far this morning ya'll have been searching to prove it was a web site somewhere that CF made the announcement. I am simply informing you "some' already know she did not mention it because it is on THIS forum .

[n/t]

Originally posted by saydeezmom
Sas LE checked that place he and his friends went camping and fishing. You know the place where they were trying to fix a car? Iwonder if it has crossed his friends, CF or anyone's mind. It looked like a private location. Just a thought. Oh and by the way...my DH thought NF was gay the first time he saw his pic. Just throwing that out there! He also thinks he walked. [/*]

saydeezmom, I don't recall camping being discussed here but I work and sometimes miss posts. Do you happen to have a link that I can take a look at?

TIA!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Hi Danette,

I read the post. If true, I hope they can rule out the Lake. I believe it was Lake Panther. Is that close to where he was last seen?

As for the threads getting smaller and smaller, the lack of information from LE is not helping. We have no updates whatsoever about the fingerprint analysis. And those two positive leads??? Hello? Was it Nicholas on the camera videos or not?

Very frustrating but we shouldn't give up. :rose: [/*]

sorry to drag this over from page 1, but did Christine mention Lake Panther? I know a poster by the name of INVReporter(some numbers) mentioned it around March 14th that it would be a good place to start. Why does this particular lake keep coming up?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


saydeezmom, I don't recall camping being discussed here but I work and sometimes miss posts. Do you happen to have a link that I can take a look at?

TIA! [/*]

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


sorry to drag this over from page 1, but did Christine mention Lake Panther? I know a poster by the name of INVReporter(some numbers) mentioned it around March 14th that it would be a good place to start. Why does this particular lake keep coming up? [/*]

Invreporter is the one who posted it on last night's thread. Not sure where he/she got this information from. IIRC, an online chat with Christine????

SeattleEddie confirmed that Lake Panther is behind the complex where his car was found and there's a Lake Panther Park. Page 1 of this thread.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html [/*]

Thanks Rainy!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Invreporter is the one who posted it on last night's thread. Not sure where he/she got this information from. IIRC, an online chat with Christine????

SeattleEddie confirmed that Lake Panther is behind the complex where his car was found and there's a Lake Panther Park. Page 1 of this thread. [/*]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=326506&pagenumber=1

he/she also posted it as far back as 3-14 - maybe someone should listen to them

[isitme]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Seems no matter what happens it is a concern that CF is wrong and it just leads to pg after pg of trying to find anything to be "concerned" about. I have read ALL the threads from the beginning that is why I had to reply to that other post insinuating CF was lying. All last night and so far this morning ya'll have been searching to prove it was a web site somewhere that CF made the announcement. I am simply informing you "some' already know she did not mention it because it is on THIS forum . [/*]

Perhaps it is because some of us perceive that there have been quite a few inconsistancies in what CF has posted around the internet. And some of us want to know 1) if there is in fact a PI on the case 2) if so have they talked to CF (Harlett has stated that they have not so on to #3) 3) If a PI is investigating and has not spoken to CF (again Harlett has stated they haven't and I believe her) why haven't they, 4) if CF knew that no PI was on the case why didn't correct that information that was all over the internet when she gave the "facts" on her blog 4) If she believed that a PI was on the case based on what she learned from the internet why has she apparently not asked Publicis about it:confused:

Some of us are just looking for ANY information that could help solve the numerous unanswered questions that plague this case.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=326506&pagenumber=1

he/she also posted it as far back as 3-14 - maybe someone should listen to them [/*]

Hopefully someone already did. Here's the post from last night.

invreporter1105
Member

Registered: Jan 2007
Location: KY, on Y! Messenger
Posts: 334

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by n/t


Maybe he just needed a break from all the stresses in his life and couldn't do it if he would tell Christine. Maybe Christine would get too upset and then he'd have no choice but to stay.

Also, another thing I thought of last night and that was Christine's reference to some dream she had of Nicholas being near water.

Could that be another clue? Maybe some of us think the worse but what if it really meant, he's vacationing somewhere on a beach. Yes, maybe even sipping Margueritas in Mexico as she pointed out in one of the interviews.

Who knows. [/*]
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Christine said she wanted LE scuba divers to dive Panther Lake. I assume she is thinking that his body may be found there. I hope you are right, though.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by saydeezmom


Are your other friends that live elsewhere male? My DH is very well groomed and well dressed. He has a very good job. We live in TX. I "threw that out there" because it was from a male's point of view. That's all. Sorry if I offended your son KKKKKKatie! [/*]

no..it was a woman and I'm not offended at all. I just find it funny how we each "see" things differently....that is all :seeya:

[isitme]

Originally posted by Beth
In my opinion, Isitme, you're beating a dead horse. I'm convinced there are people here who are intent on just riling people who really do care, up.

Nobody needs to explain why they are or are not searching for something. Some people add nothing to the conversation, other than negative questions and/or sarcastic comments.

I wonder if these same people have posted on Nick's new page. As always, just my little ol' opinion. :) [/*]


You are right Beth. I lost sight of the fact that what is logical to some is not logical to others. and that open mindedness is not a trait that everyone has.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Beth
In my opinion, Isitme, you're beating a dead horse. I'm convinced there are people here who are intent on just riling people who really do care, up.

Nobody needs to explain why they are or are not searching for something. Some people add nothing to the conversation, other than negative questions and/or sarcastic comments.

I wonder if these same people have posted on Nick's new page. As always, just my little ol' opinion. :) [/*]

I am sure I have done as many internet searches as any here. I have taken the time to read ALL the threads here many at the biz site. I have all the snide remarks, been accuses of being CF, laughed at, mocked plus other things on this forum. I have heard of others getting threating pm's.

There is something wrong when that happens on a forum where everyone should have an opinion. Those actions do not come from concerned people. All I am doing is stating my opinion which does not suit some. But it is still my opinion.

If LE does read here what do you believe they think about all the veiled posts about the victims wife? Do ya'll think you have convinced them of her guilt , conviction and now all they have to do is give her a sentence?

I am also very interested in just what LE think.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
OK, After having my fanny spanked quite soundly by Musterion last nite (and without cause, I might add), I had determined to lurk only and not post for a while.
Alas, I can't help myself! But just as an alert---my guards are up! (and I'm sitting on a cushion to ease the stinging pain)...

My parents had a man in their church who was married but one day just up and left his wife. He went on a business trip and didn't come home. I'm not sure if the wife called police....she knew what was up. He had been struggling, since their early marriage, with homosexual attractions.
He did finally call home and told his wife he had found a lover and was filing for divorce. It was all so cut and dried for him but she was devastated. Fortunately, they had no children.
I'm not so sure she ever got over it but she had a lot of support. I remember feeling so angry on her behalf. Sure, he had a right to his life, but I felt the way he went about it was crushing.
Could this be the case with Nicholas?

It would explain a lot....like why they left their church, why Christine would say "he's no coward," why she would be so angry at the world, why she feels "dumped on" by their financial responsibilities......why she would respond "these kids have no daddy." [/*]

as likely as any sherry :shrug:

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Beth
In my opinion, Isitme, you're beating a dead horse. I'm convinced there are people here who are intent on just riling people who really do care, up.

Nobody needs to explain why they are or are not searching for something. Some people add nothing to the conversation, other than negative questions and/or sarcastic comments.

I wonder if these same people have posted on Nick's new page. As always, just my little ol' opinion. :) [/*]

I really wish we could just "ignore" certain types of posters on this forum.
If we don't feed them, maybe they'll stop coming.
Every single day, we have to go through this. :(
Just my thoughts.....
also, i'm sorry if i missed the answer to my question somewhere, but have all the local bars been checked to see if he was there at all that night?

[n/t]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I am sure I have done as many internet searches as any here. I have taken the time to read ALL the threads here many at the biz site. I have all the snide remarks, been accuses of being CF, laughed at, mocked plus other things on this forum. I have heard of others getting threating pm's.

There is something wrong when that happens on a forum where everyone should have an opinion. Those actions do not come from concerned people. All I am doing is stating my opinion which does not suit some. But it is still my opinion.

If LE does read here what do you believe they think about all the veiled posts about the victims wife? Do ya'll think you have convinced them of her guilt , conviction and now all they have to do is give her a sentence?

I am also very interested in just what LE think. [/*]

Please stay on topic. If something posted bothers you, use the ignore feature and move on. I don't want this board shut down. CW has posted it many times about staying on topic!!! TIA!

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t


Please stay on topic. If something posted bothers you, use the ignore feature and move on. I don't want this board shut down. CW has posted it many times about staying on topic!!! TIA! [/*]

I was on topic as I stated all you have to do is search this forum to find the PI answers.

[n/t]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I really wish we could just "ignore" certain types of posters on this forum.
If we don't feed them, maybe they'll stop coming.
Every single day, we have to go through this. :(
Just my thoughts.....
also, i'm sorry if i missed the answer to my question somewhere, but have all the local bars been checked to see if he was there at all that night? [/*]

I agree. Ignore is our best friend from now on. If all of you feel like I do about Nicholas and this case, please don't let one or 2 posters have this forum shut down.

TIA!

[isitme]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
OK, After having my fanny spanked quite soundly by Musterion last nite (and without cause, I might add), I had determined to lurk only and not post for a while.
Alas, I can't help myself! But just as an alert---my guards are up! (and I'm sitting on a cushion to ease the stinging pain)...

My parents had a man in their church who was married but one day just up and left his wife. He went on a business trip and didn't come home. I'm not sure if the wife called police....she knew what was up. He had been struggling, since their early marriage, with homosexual attractions.
He did finally call home and told his wife he had found a lover and was filing for divorce. It was all so cut and dried for him but she was devastated. Fortunately, they had no children.
I'm not so sure she ever got over it but she had a lot of support. I remember feeling so angry on her behalf. Sure, he had a right to his life, but I felt the way he went about it was crushing.
Could this be the case with Nicholas?
It would explain a lot....like why they left their church, why Christine would say "he's no coward," why she would be so angry at the world, why she feels "dumped on" by their financial responsibilities......why she would respond "these kids have no daddy." [/*]


I think this idea was brought up a while back and may have been the reason that CF stated that NF was not gay.

It seems like a reasonable scenario to me and one that some may not have considered. Thanks for mentioning it.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I really wish we could just "ignore" certain types of posters on this forum.
If we don't feed them, maybe they'll stop coming.
Every single day, we have to go through this. :(
Just my thoughts.....
also, i'm sorry if i missed the answer to my question somewhere, but have all the local bars been checked to see if he was there at all that night? [/*]
I might be misunderstanding your post. Are you saying those of us, that don't completely agree with the majority.. you wish would just stop coming here and posting?

Opposing views is what makes this site great... well.. that and that we can do it without it turning ugly. (most of the time)

And.. for the record.. nobody has fed me and I am starving.:D

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree. Ignore is our best friend from now on. If all of you feel like I do about Nicholas and this case, please don't let one or 2 posters have this forum shut down.

TIA! [/*]

I'm with you all the way.
Hope others will do the same. :)
All i want is for Nicholas to be found safe and be able to come home.
I was out running errands today and i saw this man over by a car. I looked really carefully, cuz at first i thought, "Nicholas????" I have a hard time thinking he would be this far away from home though.
The closer i looked it definately wasn't him.
And then i thought i was just seeing things....... *sigh*

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


sorry to drag this over from page 1, but did Christine mention Lake Panther? I know a poster by the name of INVReporter(some numbers) mentioned it around March 14th that it would be a good place to start. Why does this particular lake keep coming up? [/*]

Hi. Rainy. The reason I mentioned that Panther Lake would be a good place to start is because CF told me she was trying to get a dive team there to search. I also think this would be a good place to search because it is so close to Heritage Condos.

[murdershewrote]

I don't think I can rule out the gay theory here...I mean, it's possible...happens alot more than we think and. you're right, it would explain alot of CF's reactions. I'd put it somehwere below foul play and above alien abduction.

[isitme]

Originally posted by soyesterday


(*SNIPPED*)


also, i'm sorry if i missed the answer to my question somewhere, but have all the local bars been checked to see if he was there at all that night? [/*]

I do not recall seeing anything that said they had. I remember reading last night, while researching the PI issue, in some articles that LE said that local jails, the morgue and hospitals had been checked out but I don't remember bars being mentioned.

[n/t]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi. Randy. The reason I mentioned that Panther Lake would be a good place to start is because CF told me she was trying to get a dive team there to search. I also think this would be a good place to search because it is so close to Heritage Condos. [/*]

Did Christine say why? Was it because it was suggested to her or does she believe that's where he is?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I might be misunderstanding your post. Are you saying those of us, that don't completely agree with the majority.. you wish would just stop coming here and posting?

Opposing views is what makes this site great... well.. that and that we can do it without it turning ugly. (most of the time)

And.. for the record.. nobody has fed me and I am starving.:D [/*]

I have no problem for those of you that don't agree w/ the majority.
We're all adults here i think and i wish we could have different opinions w/out causing trouble.
Some can do it.
A select few cannot seem to do it.
I'm tired of getting "attacked" everytime we say something negative about Christine.
All we want is to find Nicholas.
She is is his wife.
She is in the whole picture.
And it's been said sooooooo many times.....if Christine was the one missing, Nicholas would be looked at bigtime.
I wonder if some of these people do the same thing when Drew or Scott Peterson is being looked at???
Probably not.....
just saying.......

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I might be misunderstanding your post. Are you saying those of us, that don't completely agree with the majority.. you wish would just stop coming here and posting?

Opposing views is what makes this site great... well.. that and that we can do it without it turning ugly. (most of the time)

And.. for the record.. nobody has fed me and I am starving.:D [/*]

pilfering through my desk - heres a couple of saltines :D

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by isitme



I think this idea was brought up a while back and may have been the reason that CF stated that NF was not gay.

It seems like a reasonable scenario to me and one that some may not have considered. Thanks for mentioning it. [/*]

I think this is a valid point being made. This does happen and could be a reason for him wanting to leave and not shame his family but still be true to himself.

I, personally don't think that is the case. As another poster pointed out... I think this might be a question of where you are from and what you are used to seeing. He looks very yuppyish (not in a bad way).. very metrosexual and would fit right in here in Seattle. No body would question that.

I also am always amazed when people say they can tell by a photo if someone is gay or not. I have seen men that I NEVER would have thought were gay.. that are. Ones that seem like they would be more inclinded to be and are not. Anymore it is so hard to tell just by looking at someone unless they are the extremely feminine type.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi. Rainy. The reason I mentioned that Panther Lake would be a good place to start is because CF told me she was trying to get a dive team there to search. I also think this would be a good place to search because it is so close to Heritage Condos. [/*]

Thank you - I know you mentioned it as far back as 3-14 - maybe even sooner (not sure).

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


pilfering through my desk - heres a couple of saltines :D [/*]

There hopefully that will satisfy your hunger for now. :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
BEcause imo she LIKES to be a SAHM, she likes to watch TV and she likes not having to work, otherwise she wouldn't have put it all on poor husband; all that financial resp on his shoulders, no input from her at all; I think the not wanting to work was a huge bone of contention in this relationship and that's what my radar has picked up on from the get go. She liked the gravy train. Now; it's gone.
CT [/*]

Glad you're back Cat Toy and I'm assuming your surgery went well.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi. Rainy. The reason I mentioned that Panther Lake would be a good place to start is because CF told me she was trying to get a dive team there to search. I also think this would be a good place to search because it is so close to Heritage Condos. [/*]

I think that is a great place to start. I have never been there. Wonder how big it is. Gonna have to go check it out on mapquest. It does seem logical to look around there since his car was found there. I know they searched some woods or some such thing that was around the complex.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by soyesterday


There hopefully that will satisfy your hunger for now. :) [/*]

No.. I have been eating cabbage soup for a week. Couple saltines won't even touch it but thanks Rainy. A big ol pile of pasta sounds SOOO GOOD tho.

I digress..

Back to my cabbage soup.. barf

BTW Has there been any talk of any other organized searches. Maybe the lake would be a good place to start.. even without divers in the water. There is a laptop, phone and ipod missing too.

[n/t]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I think that is a great place to start. I have never been there. Wonder how big it is. Gonna have to go check it out on mapquest. It does seem logical to look around there since his car was found there. I know they searched some woods or some such thing that was around the complex. [/*]

SeattleEddie mentioned a park. Lake Panther Park. Do you know if that was searched?

[PerneciaJane]

I believe and it is only my opinion that something happened to throw NF's world into a spin. I believe on top of the normal woes of everyday life, long work hours, not a lot of sleep, money tight that something happened to push him over the limit of endurance.

I firmly feel again, my opinion, someone who simply disliked CF saved copies of those chat logs, after goating her into saying something perhaps she shouldn't and probably would have never said if not for being manipulated by those good at the type of game.

Christians are not taught or prepared to deal with those in this world that get a big thrill out of playing with innocent people's lives. I have experienced this in my life.

It would have been a very simple matter to get NF's e-mail by anyone on that Biz site. I firmly believe in my opinion that those saved chats were given to NF at a time when it was simply too much for him to deal with. The hurt on top of all the other every day stresses were just more than he could deal with and he had to get away and deal with all this in a peaceful environment.

I also think God will deal with all involved, in the end his will and his word will be heard.

Prayers for the entire Francisco Family :rose:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
BEcause imo she LIKES to be a SAHM, she likes to watch TV and she likes not having to work, otherwise she wouldn't have put it all on poor husband; all that financial resp on his shoulders, no input from her at all; I think the not wanting to work was a huge bone of contention in this relationship and that's what my radar has picked up on from the get go. She liked the gravy train. Now; it's gone.
CT [/*]

Don't :punch: me...but maybe he wanted his wife to stay at home...didn't want her to work and was embarrassed that he couldn't make it work? Maybe it wasn't Christine at all?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Beth


Add to that, the "Sexual Sin" sermon on February 3rd (which coincidentally was his last sermon at the church) and the fact that if you listen to the sermon, it speaks directly about homosexuality and the "sinners" that lead this lifestyle. Coincidence? Maybe.

JMO [/*]
I thought their last sermon was on the 10th? They didn't go on the 10th at all?

Plus with Nicholas being a christian. If he is out there.. I wonder what is going through his head and heart with Easter approaching. He has small children and Easter is such an important day for christians. I find it hard that he would or could easily miss that day with his family or children at the very least.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I seem to remember "some" folks on here being furious because CF did NOT even mention the PI on her fact list. If Ya'll just check this forum and your past posts you will see you have already criticized her because she did not address the issue. Now it seems to me you can't have it both ways so now just who isn't telling the truth or just has selective memory. [/*]

I don't know who's telling the truth or who has selective memory. All I know is that there are a lot of inconsistencies surrounding this case.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by n/t


Did Christine say why? Was it because it was suggested to her or does she believe that's where he is? [/*]

She didn't give a reason why, but I assume she thinks that is a logical place to search?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


Don't :punch: me...but maybe he wanted his wife to stay at home...didn't want her to work and was embarrassed that he couldn't make it work? Maybe it wasn't Christine at all? [/*]

I agree with you KKKK on this one. Their are many men who do not want their wives to work.

[tulipmom]

If I * knew * as Christine knew ( and she did since it was on that agency site early) that Publicis had hired a PI, then I would be asking them why and to keep me updated. Unless of course I already knew why ( as I think CF does ) therefore there would be no need to ask my hubby's former employer why. Probably Publicis knows why too. Also the mom & sisters. As we all know their silence is telling. I think NF has probably contacted them. Otherwise they would still be VERY much in the media and begging for help searching etc. They grew silent at the same time as Greta and Nancy. I think some inside knowledge surfaced around that time. There is also the Catholic angle. He was raised very Catholic from all we have heard. His sisters are still very involved in the Catholic church. Maybe CF convinced him to change against his wishes. I had no idea until last year how deeply some of this Catholic stuff goes. Not always but sometimes and some of them cannot leave it behind so he might would walk away from his current life and back to his roots.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane
I believe and it is only my opinion that something happened to throw NF's world into a spin. I believe on top of the normal woes of everyday life, long work hours, not a lot of sleep, money tight that something happened to push him over the limit of endurance.

I firmly feel again, my opinion, someone who simply disliked CF saved copies of those chat logs, after goating her into saying something perhaps she shouldn't and probably would have never said if not for being manipulated by those good at the type of game.

Christians are not taught or prepared to deal with those in this world that get a big thrill out of playing with innocent people's lives. I have experienced this in my life.

It would have been a very simple matter to get NF's e-mail by anyone on that Biz site. I firmly believe in my opinion that those saved chats were given to NF at a time when it was simply too much for him to deal with. The hurt on top of all the other every day stresses were just more than he could deal with and he had to get away and deal with all this in a peaceful environment.

I also think God will deal with all involved, in the end his will and his word will be heard.

Prayers for the entire Francisco Family :rose: [/*]

I think you could very well be right...he could have been angry with CF on top of everything else....it was just to much

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Lol oh no; the watching tv didnt have anything to do with being a SAHM it was in reference to her shows on her facebook acct; what her interests were.......her photography etc and her favorite shows, like CSI etc. I'm just putting it out there, she liked staying home, had no desire to work in the work force, and most couples dont make that decision, unless their spouse makes enough money so they can be totally comfortable, without worries you know what I mean? Spending money on the material as well; would have been another thing that maybe could have been spent on a new toy for the kids or clothing for the kids.....
It could have been just too much for him. I can really see that....

We also do not know if HE was actually given a pink slip that week at work OR if he was going to have to lay off others, that also could have been a huge rock on his shoulders....if true.
Cat [/*]


hmmm CT, after reading your post, I just thought of something. He was promoted to Art Director in the summer. Did he fill an empty position within the company or was someone fired and he was chosen to replace the person? I wonder.

o/t Glad you're surgery went well and you're back to posting with us.

[decor]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I have no problem for those of you that don't agree w/ the majority.
We're all adults here i think and i wish we could have different opinions w/out causing trouble.
Some can do it.
A select few cannot seem to do it.
I'm tired of getting "attacked" everytime we say something negative about Christine.
All we want is to find Nicholas.
She is is his wife.
She is in the whole picture.
And it's been said sooooooo many times.....if Christine was the one missing, Nicholas would be looked at bigtime.
I wonder if some of these people do the same thing when Drew or Scott Peterson is being looked at???
Probably not.....
just saying....... [/*]

I'm sorry but I don't believe "you" are being attacked but Christine is being defended.


I know it would be nice for some to have a place where you can criticize and destroy a persons reputation because you don't like them but it isn't going to be here I am afraid. There may only be a few of us that are willing to stand up for her but we are still here.
You can call us any names you want and ignore our posts but we will still defend her because she needs a voice here since she shouldn't come here herself.

[saydeezmom]

Originally posted by n/t



hmmm CT, after reading your post, I just thought of something. He was promoted to Art Director in the summer. Did he fill an empty position within the company or was someone fired and he was chosen to replace the person? I wonder.

o/t Glad you're surgery went well and you're back to posting with us. [/*]

Is the owner of Pulicis, Michael Donovan...related to Matt Donovan, NF's friend? Sorry if this has been discussed.

[n/t]

Originally posted by saydeezmom


Is the owner of Pulicis, Michael Donovan...related to Matt Donovan, NF's friend? Sorry if this has been discussed. [/*]

I don't know. Maybe someone else does. :shrug:

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by decor


I'm sorry but I don't believe "you" are being attacked but Christine is being defended.


I know it would be nice for some to have a place where you can criticize and destroy a persons reputation because you don't like them but it isn't going to be here I am afraid. There may only be a few of us that are willing to stand up for her but we are still here.
You can call us any names you want and ignore our posts but we will still defend her because she needs a voice here since she shouldn't come here herself. [/*]

:beer: <--------- Sweet Tea

[decor]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


:beer: <--------- Sweet Tea [/*]

good, because I don't drink LOL

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Yeah, I see what ya mean....and also, those problems with his company. Much of that was publicized on the 14th, the day after his disappearance. That bothers me, too. [/*]

He could have been told the day he left of the upcoming layoffs.

[saydeezmom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PerneciaJane
.

I firmly feel again, my opinion, someone who simply disliked CF saved copies of those chat logs, after goating her into saying something perhaps she shouldn't and probably would have never said if not for being manipulated by those good at the type of game.

It would have been a very simple matter to get NF's e-mail by anyone on that Biz site. I firmly believe in my opinion that those saved chats were given to NF at a time when it was simply too much for him to deal with. The hurt on top of all the other every day stresses were just more than he could deal with and he had to get away and deal with all this in a peaceful environment.


I missed this. What was this about? Or if someone could tell me date and page I can look it up myself. Totally missed this.

thanks
saydeezmom

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


SeattleEddie mentioned a park. Lake Panther Park. Do you know if that was searched? [/*]

I'm on google earth trying to find this place so I can see how far away the water is from their house.

[mc528]

Originally posted by mc528



I know there was awareness....I remember there was a big hupla about them when they were first mentioned in the threads. My question is WHEN that awareness started. I re-read every one of those threads last night up until the posting times of about midnight on 2/18, and saw no mention of any of those sites/articles.....yet did see several posters referencing the PI being hired (and not questioned by any other poster as to the source of the information....which to me meant it was *public* knowledge that all following the saga would have known) [/*]


Here is what I have found in my hours of reading past articles, comments and threads this morning:

The first mention on the E*** thread about a PI being hired was in this thread http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232 which was started at 6:21pm EST on 2/18. The PI reference is first mentioned on the post on the bottom of page 22. The only outside E*** links in that thread, or the other threads started before then were to the couple of news articles that had been written at that time, the link to the church blog http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/ and the (at the time) official site for information: http://mailpen.net There were no links or reference to the agensyspy blog, WSB, WS or this site as of the time of the post mentioning the PI....8:07pm EST 2/18. I have not yet finished re-reading all of the remaining E*** threads/posts that were written after 10:00pm EST on 2/18 (got through some, but not all yet)

There is no mention of a PI being hired in the article or comments on the church blog.....but there is a link to the mailpen site. The entry on AgensySpy was posted on 2/18....but a direct link to direct the E*** was not, up until the evening of 2/18, made known. It, or a synopsis of that article, was likely what was put up on the official info site http://mailpen.net and is the only logical source for the E*** to have known about it, at that point in time.

The next (in time sequence) reference I could find was in the comments on the ABC News story that was published on 2/21. There is a comment regarding the PI being hired posted on 2/22 (comment by 693mik). http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/US/comments?type=story&id=4325797

I read all of the almost 400 comments on the West Seattle Blog entries, including the one with over 350 which CF and many E*** posted to. There is NO mention of a PI in any of those comments. This blog entry was posted on 2/19 @ 12:10pm (I'm assuming that is PDT) http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#postcomment

I also re-read all of the initial threads both here and on WS. The first mention of a Publicis hired PI on WS was on 2/25 @ 1:18pm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60495&page=11 (referencing information that had previousy been read about) The first appearance that I could find here in the IS boards was also on 2/25 @ 3:21pm EST, also referencing information previously read about http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=11

If anyone else has been able to find either a source that was made known to the E*** community that was following the story there, or can find earlier references on any other of the sites I looked at, let me know. From what I can surmise, and this is JMO....the hiring of a PI was made known to E*** through the mailpen.net site......and if that is indeed the case then CF would likely have known about it. MOO/IMO/JMO

[decor]

Originally posted by mc528



Here is what I have found in my hours of reading past articles, comments and threads this morning:

The first mention on the E*** thread about a PI being hired was in this thread http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232 which was started at 6:21pm EST on 2/18. The PI reference is first mentioned on the post on the bottom of page 22. The only outside E*** links in that thread, or the other threads started before then were to the couple of news articles that had been written at that time, the link to the church blog http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/ and the (at the time) official site for information: http://mailpen.net There were no links or reference to the agensyspy blog, WSB, WS or this site as of the time of the post mentioning the PI....8:07pm EST 2/18. I have not yet finished re-reading all of the remaining E*** threads/posts that were written after 10:00pm EST on 2/18 (got through some, but not all yet)

There is no mention of a PI being hired in the article or comments on the church blog.....but there is a link to the mailpen site. The entry on AgensySpy was posted on 2/18....but a direct link to direct the E*** was not, up until the evening of 2/18, made known. It, or a synopsis of that article, was likely what was put up on the official info site http://mailpen.net and is the only logical source for the E*** to have known about it, at that point in time.

The next (in time sequence) reference I could find was in the comments on the ABC News story that was published on 2/21. There is a comment regarding the PI being hired posted on 2/22 (comment by 693mik). http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/US/comments?type=story&id=4325797

I read all of the almost 400 comments on the West Seattle Blog entries, including the one with over 350 which CF and many E*** posted to. There is NO mention of a PI in any of those comments. This blog entry was posted on 2/19 @ 12:10pm (I'm assuming that is PDT) http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#postcomment

I also re-read all of the initial threads both here and on WS. The first mention of a Publicis hired PI on WS was on 2/25 @ 1:18pm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60495&page=11 (referencing information that had previousy been read about) The first appearance that I could find here in the IS boards was also on 2/25 @ 3:21pm EST, also referencing information previously read about http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=11

If anyone else has been able to find either a source that was made known to the E*** community that was following the story there, or can find earlier references on any other of the sites I looked at, let me know. From what I can surmise, and this is JMO....the hiring of a PI was made known to E*** through the mailpen.net site......and if that is indeed the case then CF would likely have known about it. MOO/IMO/JMO [/*]

I have no doubt that Christine knew it had been posted. Heck we all know it had been posted. But if she was never contacted and no one told her officially that there was a PI on the case then she wouldn't be aware of one working the case which is exactly what Harlett stated..

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



Here is what I have found in my hours of reading past articles, comments and threads this morning:

The first mention on the E*** thread about a PI being hired was in this thread http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232 which was started at 6:21pm EST on 2/18. The PI reference is first mentioned on the post on the bottom of page 22. The only outside E*** links in that thread, or the other threads started before then were to the couple of news articles that had been written at that time, the link to the church blog http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/ and the (at the time) official site for information: http://mailpen.net There were no links or reference to the agensyspy blog, WSB, WS or this site as of the time of the post mentioning the PI....8:07pm EST 2/18. I have not yet finished re-reading all of the remaining E*** threads/posts that were written after 10:00pm EST on 2/18 (got through some, but not all yet)

There is no mention of a PI being hired in the article or comments on the church blog.....but there is a link to the mailpen site. The entry on AgensySpy was posted on 2/18....but a direct link to direct the E*** was not, up until the evening of 2/18, made known. It, or a synopsis of that article, was likely what was put up on the official info site http://mailpen.net and is the only logical source for the E*** to have known about it, at that point in time.

The next (in time sequence) reference I could find was in the comments on the ABC News story that was published on 2/21. There is a comment regarding the PI being hired posted on 2/22 (comment by 693mik). http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/US/comments?type=story&id=4325797

I read all of the almost 400 comments on the West Seattle Blog entries, including the one with over 350 which CF and many E*** posted to. There is NO mention of a PI in any of those comments. This blog entry was posted on 2/19 @ 12:10pm (I'm assuming that is PDT) http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#postcomment

I also re-read all of the initial threads both here and on WS. The first mention of a Publicis hired PI on WS was on 2/25 @ 1:18pm http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60495&page=11 (referencing information that had previousy been read about) The first appearance that I could find here in the IS boards was also on 2/25 @ 3:21pm EST, also referencing information previously read about http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=11

If anyone else has been able to find either a source that was made known to the E*** community that was following the story there, or can find earlier references on any other of the sites I looked at, let me know. From what I can surmise, and this is JMO....the hiring of a PI was made known to E*** through the mailpen.net site......and if that is indeed the case then CF would likely have known about it. MOO/IMO/JMO [/*]

Thats a lot of work MC - been there, done that. I know she had to be reading the posts because she would comment on things members were saying. I know she told people to shut up when they were concerned there was a virus link. She also commented that Nick's phone did not have GPS and all of that was because she was responding to the dialogue between the members in previous pages. I wonder why she didn't correct them or ask them where they got the idea there was a PI.

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528


(*SNIPPED*)

*************WOW what fortitude you have to read all of that. I admire your dedication*********


From what I can surmise, and this is JMO....the hiring of a PI was made known to E*** through the mailpen.net site......and if that is indeed the case then CF would likely have known about it. MOO/IMO/JMO [/*]


So one would think she would have at least inquired about it right? As in call Publcis and ask and get straight if there was one or not?

[mc528]

Originally posted by MissyJayne
Did anyone figure out the meaning of April 9? :shrug: [/*]


I've been wondering this too.....I don't even know any of the background as to the date....I just saw it mentioned on a thread yesterday. Perhaps someone can PM me and let me know what I obviously missed. TIA :shrug:

[huskiki]

My 2 cents ...I don't think Nicholas is gay. He does however fall into the metrosexual category.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
After this weekend and lots of thought; I also agree, this lake needs to be dredged. Pronto. They sure looked hard for STacy in freezing temps, no reason that LE shouldnt be dragging this lake for signs of foul play, esp since his wifes statements have practically led them to "a body of water" and she also stated that he needed to be "uncovered" which I found to be chilling to say the least. Point Blank, that really bothered me.
:read: [/*]

Morning, Cat Toy

I think the " uncovered " in my opinion relates to a few Bible verses that say " Nothing is covered that shall not be Uncovered". I could probably look up some verses and put them here but might be against TOS or considered O/T. My intention is not to attack you but just think this is the explanation for that phrase.

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme



So one would think she would have at least inquired about it right? As in call Publcis and ask and get straight if there was one or not? [/*]

I'm thinking more along the lines that LE would want to know if Publicis did indeed hire a PI....and if so contact that PI and Publici to find out WHY and what this PI found (if anything), and why the PI had not reached out to LE or CF. That, to me is a big concern.

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528


I'm thinking more along the lines that LE would want to know if Publicis did indeed hire a PI....and if so contact that PI and Publici to find out WHY and what this PI found (if anything), and why the PI had not reached out to LE or CF. That, to me is a big concern. [/*]

Ahh, yes very true.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Beth


You are right, MystryPhobia, I just looked at my Feb. calendar and the 10th was their last sermon. I apologize but I still question that sermon on the 3rd and wonder if it had any significance. [/*]

Actually...do we know that they went to church that weekend (10th)? I thought the Donovan's website said that NF and family was sick with the flu that his sisters and others subsequently caught? (not that being sick stops people being sick and coming to church/dropping kids off in nursery puking and oozing poo..)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528


I'm thinking more along the lines that LE would want to know if Publicis did indeed hire a PI....and if so contact that PI and Publici to find out WHY and what this PI found (if anything), and why the PI had not reached out to LE or CF. That, to me is a big concern. [/*]

Even though it may have been rumor that a PI was hired, it was stated in enough places that I would think CF would want to know any information the PI might have or to confirm if one was hired. Of course if Publicis is paying the bill, the PI reports to Publicis. IMO

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528


I'm thinking more along the lines that LE would want to know if Publicis did indeed hire a PI....and if so contact that PI and Publici to find out WHY and what this PI found (if anything), and why the PI had not reached out to LE or CF. That, to me is a big concern. [/*]

Big concern indeed. Perhaps their (Publics') vested interest is not Nicholas personally but instead professionally. If the laptop belonged to the company (I'm still unsure of this) or if Nicholas was found to have compromised the companies trust in some way. He did a lot of freelance work, maybe Public's caught on to that and maybe it was against company policy. We don't know the reason why Public's hired a PI, IF they did.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by saydeezmom
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PerneciaJane
.

I firmly feel again, my opinion, someone who simply disliked CF saved copies of those chat logs, after goating her into saying something perhaps she shouldn't and probably would have never said if not for being manipulated by those good at the type of game.

It would have been a very simple matter to get NF's e-mail by anyone on that Biz site. I firmly believe in my opinion that those saved chats were given to NF at a time when it was simply too much for him to deal with. The hurt on top of all the other every day stresses were just more than he could deal with and he had to get away and deal with all this in a peaceful environment.


I missed this. What was this about? Or if someone could tell me date and page I can look it up myself. Totally missed this.

thanks
saydeezmom [/*]


Saydeezmom -- it's so hard to explain to someone who has never been in chat at E***. The regular rooms are run by crappy homemade chat client and there is no way to log it as a regular user. I can barely keep up when it's busy because as people "chat", what was said at the top disappears and you cannot scroll back to see what was said.

I won't discount that someone could have been so annoyed by her, that they snipped a few things to Notepad, but you cannot log the regular chat rooms. Also, to be honest, she is not who I would say is an E*** personality. Yes, her sales were on the high end, but there are many others who are more prominent and vocal who would be more of a target (so to speak).

That said, since NF was starting up a store on his own, maybe he stumbled into a chat and saw for himself. I don't always notice who has come into a chat there unless they speak. You can just lurk.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Even though it may have been rumor that a PI was hired, it was stated in enough places that I would think CF would want to know any information the PI might have or to confirm if one was hired. Of course if Publicis is paying the bill, the PI reports to Publicis. IMO [/*]

maybe she did ask them and they told they hadn't. maybe they lied. maybe they told her the truth.

why was she obligated to report it to anyone after she found out?

[field of snow]

Originally posted by decor


I have no doubt that Christine knew it had been posted. Heck we all know it had been posted. But if she was never contacted and no one told her officially that there was a PI on the case then she wouldn't be aware of one working the case which is exactly what Harlett stated.. [/*]

I don't think CF knew much of what Publicis was doing to help find Nick.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by field of snow



Saydeezmom -- it's so hard to explain to someone who has never been in chat at E***. The regular rooms are run by crappy homemade chat client and there is no way to log it as a regular user. I can barely keep up when it's busy because as people "chat", what was said at the top disappears and you cannot scroll back to see what was said.

I won't discount that someone could have been so annoyed by her, that they snipped a few things to Notepad, but you cannot log the regular chat rooms. Also, to be honest, she is not who I would say is an E*** personality. Yes, her sales were on the high end, but there are many others who are more prominent and vocal who would be more of a target (so to speak).

That said, since NF was starting up a store on his own, maybe he stumbled into a chat and saw for himself. I don't always notice who has come into a chat there unless they speak. You can just lurk. [/*]

Sounds like he had a pretty full day with his second job - I don't see how he would have time to chat or why he would want to.

[decor]

Originally posted by field of snow


I don't think CF knew much of what Publicis was doing to help find Nick. [/*]

could be. since they would have been paying maybe they felt they didn't owe her anything.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Sounds like he had a pretty full day with his second job - I don't see how he would have time to chat or why he would want to. [/*]

Maybe he suspected something ?

[field of snow]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Sounds like he had a pretty full day with his second job - I don't see how he would have time to chat or why he would want to. [/*]

I agree with that and I also wondered if CF was managing his E store for him and just gave him the jobs. I am sure he didn't need another thing to keep track of.

It was just an idea :)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


maybe she did ask them and they told they hadn't. maybe they lied. maybe they told her the truth.

why was she obligated to report it to anyone after she found out? [/*]

So if she knew a PI had been hired, you don't think she should tell someone like Harlett who is a PI and is trying to help her, the truth?

[decor]

and if the company did hire a PI and it was only to help find Nick then I would think the company would let CF know what was going on.
If they did hire a PI and didn't let her know then I would say it was for more than just finding Nick.

[SHinS]

Originally posted by desmom


Oops forgot....

Good Morning All!

One of NF's coworkers stated he never stopped off to see friends or to hang out.

Never?

Everyone needs a break...some type of hobby or sport....or just a little bit of me time. A couple of hours of hanging out with friends to chew the fat, boating, fishing, golf, camping, penny ante neighborhood card game....

All work and no play can lead to a very stressful life.


jmo [/*]


I'm with you on that.


Maybe it all became too much for him.
From things I've read, he sure seemed like the perfect dad & husband. Not only did he have a regular job outside the home but he also had to prep kid's breakfast in the morning as well bring CF her a.m. coffee, run errands and make cookies with his kids after work. Talk about a busy day!
As I said before, maybe he didn't feel appreciated, perhaps he even felt 'used' and decided he wouldn't put up w/it anymore and walked... MOO

IMO:
NF: Realistic, independent, dependable, submissed?(type)
CF: Irrealistic, dependent, overbearing, controling?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Could have been as simple as taking the designs he did at work home to sell as free lance work. Any design work done at work is the property of the company even if they don't use them. [/*]

That's a good example Beth :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Maybe he suspected something ? [/*]

That could be.

[saydeezmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Sounds like he had a pretty full day with his second job - I don't see how he would have time to chat or why he would want to. [/*]

You are right RainyNiteNTx: (by the way it is pouring here in Dallas) But then you can find all sorts of stuff about them on the internet. Until his disappearance; it seemed that so much of their and their children's lives were displayed to the world. From both him and her. Looks like they made time for that.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


So if she knew a PI had been hired, you don't think she should tell someone like Harlett who is a PI and is trying to help her, the truth? [/*]

I forgot about that so I will go with that she just didn't know if they did or not. I do not believe she lied to Harlett

[decor]

I wanted to bring something else up because everyone seem to just gloss over this.

the reporter stated that Christine was trying to arrange to have the lake dragged, which means that she is actually doing something for all those that think she sits at home doing nothing.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor
I wanted to bring something else up because everyone seem to just gloss over this.

the reporter stated that Christine was trying to arrange to have the lake dragged, which means that she is actually doing something for all those that think she sits at home doing nothing. [/*]

Really? The reporter she talked to on the one month follow-up story?
ETA - Panther Lake?

[isitme]

Originally posted by decor


I forgot about that so I will go with that she just didn't know if they did or not. I do not believe she lied to Harlett [/*]

Wasn't Harlett's statement that CF told her that she had not talked to a PI? It wasn't (as I recall) that she did or did not know if one was on the case.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by isitme


Wasn't Harlett's statement that CF told her that she had not talked to a PI? It wasn't (as I recall) that she did or did not know if one was on the case. [/*]

That is correct.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Hi guys - after stepping back and chanting the Serenity Prayer several dozen times, I'm here :) [/*]

I'm glad you're back, Rainy, my friend! Making me laugh as usual! Thank you for that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


I'm glad you're back, Rainy, my friend! Making me laugh as usual! Thank you for that. [/*]

Hi Musterion :seeya:

[soyesterday]

Rainy and n/t......
i sent you both a pm......

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by saydeezmom


You are right RainyNiteNTx: (by the way it is pouring here in Dallas) [/*]

shhhhh o/t - but yes bad weather here also
my nic fits perfect right now

[Jazmine203]

From the little bit I have heard about Mars Hill Church someone had said that they believe the woman should have many children. I would guess along with that the wife would probably stay at home to take care of them as well. This church has the mystique like Scientology does, I would be interested in knowing more about it.

[soyesterday]

Does anyone know if the lake is being drained or whatever the word is?
If it isn't, is there a reason why not?

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by decor
I wanted to bring something else up because everyone seem to just gloss over this.

the reporter stated that Christine was trying to arrange to have the lake dragged, which means that she is actually doing something for all those that think she sits at home doing nothing. [/*]

A good place for CF to start.....
http://www.texasequusearch.org/about_us.html

You will find our organization to be compassionate, dedicated and professional. We believe that we can better ourselves by working together to help the community and people in need. Many of our members are trained in various rescue and life saving skills such as CPR, advanced lifesaving skills and field craft. Our members come from all walks of life. We have business owners, medics, firefighters, housewives, electricians and students on our team. Our resources range from horse and rider teams to foot searchers, water (divers, boats) air (planes, helicopters), dog teams (air scent, cadaver and tracking) and 4x4's. We have also utilized infared cameras in some of our searches.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by n/t

...snip....
Very excited about having a new baby. No unusual behaviour per wife, coworkers.

I'm stumped. :shrug: [/*]

the only one to say this is wife. On one interview, she even said he was "very excited" to be coming home (that evening) so I don't put very much stock in what she says.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor
I wanted to bring something else up because everyone seem to just gloss over this.

the reporter stated that Christine was trying to arrange to have the lake dragged, which means that she is actually doing something for all those that think she sits at home doing nothing. [/*]

Which reporter are you referring to? Was it from an interview?

[n/t]

Originally posted by soyesterday
Does anyone know if the lake is being drained or whatever the word is?
If it isn't, is there a reason why not? [/*]

We only know (from a poster here) that Christine told him/her that she wanted scuba divers to search the lake.

I didn't hear anything being reported.

[n/t]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


the only one to say this is wife. On one interview, she even said he was "very excited" to be coming home (that evening) so I don't put very much stock in what she says. [/*]

I don't either, SE. I wish we would hear more from his friends, his coworkers, his family.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by n/t


We only know (from a poster here) that Christine told him/her that she wanted scuba divers to search the lake.

I didn't hear anything being reported. [/*]

lol....k thanks n/t

:beer:

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Really? The reporter she talked to on the one month follow-up story?
ETA - Panther Lake? [/*]


Originally posted by huskiki


Which reporter are you referring to? Was it from an interview? [/*]

do people actually read the posts here?

the reporter that posted on this thread today.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor





do people actually read the posts here?

the reporter that posted on this thread today. [/*]

Yes I read the posts. How do we know that that person is an actual reporter?

[mc528]

Originally posted by decor


maybe she did ask them and they told they hadn't. maybe they lied. maybe they told her the truth.

why was she obligated to report it to anyone after she found out? [/*]


She wasn't. I guess I'm looking at it more for trying to determine a reason for NF disappearing, and finding him. (which is what I thought we were all here to try and do) If his company, Publicis, or a PI knows something, it is reaaly horrible, IMO, of them to not share this information with LE and NF's family (including CF). If there were another *known* possible reason for NF's leaving, then possible the focus of all of the discussions could shift to that instead of always coming back to CF being behind whatever happened. If CF did know about the PI, and even the reason why they were hired and what they found and has chosen not to reveal those things.....then that opens up a whole other series of questions and concerns. MOO

[n/t]

Originally posted by Jazmine203
From the little bit I have heard about Mars Hill Church someone had said that they believe the woman should have many children. I would guess along with that the wife would probably stay at home to take care of them as well. This church has the mystique like Scientology does, I would be interested in knowing more about it. [/*]

Hi Jazmine,

I know there were a few links about the church posted. There should be some in the Links thread or maybe someone else can help provide you with one.

Unfortunately, I'm at work so I can't save links here.

:)

[decor]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


the only one to say this is wife. On one interview, she even said he was "very excited" to be coming home (that evening) so I don't put very much stock in what she says. [/*]

the wife was not the only one to say this.
one of his friends or co-workers said that he was very excited but I couldn't remember which one or where because at the time I had read so many links they had become a blur.
I don't care if you believe me or not but I did read it from someone who was not related and it had actually come from Nick.

[SeattleEddie]

The bus station and train station are not close to his work, i.e. not within within walking distance. But they are very close on a bus. It's like, his work would be on the outer outer edges of one end of downtown Seattle and the bus and train station would be on the outer outer edge of the other end.

His work isn't technically downtown, it's in a district that skirts downtown. The bus station is close to downtown proper, and the train station is right next to the baseball and football stadiums (which are on the south end of the business district).

I will try to get a map to highllight all three.

Someone mentioned earlier there was a game at Safeco field (the baseball stadium) that night, as rationale for why he wouldn't drive on a certain street, I think. It was one of the fan club who mentioned that. I am going to look in to that. I don't think baseball has started yet.

I haven't caught up yet, so maybe all these points have been covered.....

[decor]

Originally posted by huskiki


Yes I read the posts. How do we know that that person is an actual reporter? [/*]

you can scroll back to their posts and ask them. if that is not enough ask for credentials. they stated they were a reporter, I had no reason to doubt them as they seemed to have no agenda.

[soyesterday]

I think that Christine should tell LE everything she knows so we can get to finding out what happened to Nicholas.
I'm still waiting......

[decor]

Originally posted by mc528



She wasn't. I guess I'm looking at it more for trying to determine a reason for NF disappearing, and finding him. (which is what I thought we were all here to try and do) If his company, Publicis, or a PI knows something, it is reaaly horrible, IMO, of them to not share this information with LE and NF's family (including CF). If there were another *known* possible reason for NF's leaving, then possible the focus of all of the discussions could shift to that instead of always coming back to CF being behind whatever happened. If CF did know about the PI, and even the reason why they were hired and what they found and has chosen not to reveal those things.....then that opens up a whole other series of questions and concerns. MOO [/*]

I agree that it would not be nice if the company found something out and did not tell his wife. But companies don't seem to care much about people anymore, only their reputations and how much money they can make so nothing surprises me.

[decor]

Originally posted by soyesterday
I think that Christine should tell LE everything she knows so we can get to finding out what happened to Nicholas.
I'm still waiting...... [/*]

and you have proof that she hasn't?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


you can scroll back to their posts and ask them. if that is not enough ask for credentials. they stated they were a reporter, I had no reason to doubt them as they seemed to have no agenda. [/*]

I don't know who anyone is on the other end so I take it for what it's worth. I don't doubt that Christine asked to have the lake looked into though. But the question is, why hasn't LE done anything about it?

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by n/t

....
In your opinion, would there be another place (land or water) that should be searched? ...
TIA! [/*]

IMO, definitely Panther Lake. I would have had somebody in there the same night the car was found, but then...........We know so little. In my mind, LE or paid private I are not searching for a reason..........

[n/t]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
The bus station and train station are not close to his work, i.e. not within within walking distance. But they are very close on a bus. It's like, his work would be on the outer outer edges of one end of downtown Seattle and the bus and train station would be on the outer outer edge of the other end.

His work isn't technically downtown, it's in a district that skirts downtown. The bus station is close to downtown proper, and the train station is right next to the baseball and football stadiums (which are on the south end of the business district).

I will try to get a map to highllight all three.

Someone mentioned earlier there was a game at Safeco field (the baseball stadium) that night, as rationale for why he wouldn't drive on a certain street, I think. It was one of the fan club who mentioned that. I am going to look in to that. I don't think baseball has started yet.

I haven't caught up yet, so maybe all these points have been covered..... [/*]

No they weren't covered. Thanks SE! The map would be great, if you have the time.

So he could've hopped on a public bus to get to whatever destination he was headed to. Maybe get to a Greyhound bus terminal or train station or even the airport? Or someone could've given him a ride.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor





do people actually read the posts here?

the reporter that posted on this thread today. [/*]

Oh I thought you meant a reporter from a paper or a television station. I didn't know you were referring to a poster with reporter in their ID. So in answer to your question, yes I read.

[saydeezmom]

On one of the written transcripts of an interview, CF uses NF in the past tense. She says Nicholas loved us...loves us. I am going to go back and find it. I think it was the one that SeattleMatt transcribed.

In that instant a red flag should have been thrown. In the case of Scott Peterson, the Diane Sawyer interview, he did the same thing. All sorts of flags went up then. He even tried to squeeze out some tears...just like CF. IN MY OPINION ONLY!

BE BACK WITH THE QUOTE

[decor]

Originally posted by huskiki


I don't know who anyone is on the other end so I take it for what it's worth. I don't doubt that Christine asked to have the lake looked into though. But the question is, why hasn't LE done anything about it? [/*]




Here I looked it up for you but you will have to ask yourself. It was posted at 10:28 eastern time this morning








Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi. Rainy. The reason I mentioned that Panther Lake would be a good place to start is because CF told me she was trying to get a dive team there to search. I also think this would be a good place to search because it is so close to Heritage Condos. [/*]

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by huskiki


I don't know who anyone is on the other end so I take it for what it's worth. I don't doubt that Christine asked to have the lake looked into though. But the question is, why hasn't LE done anything about it? [/*]

If she wants anywhere searched, all she has to do is contact TES. :shrug:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh I thought you meant a reporter from a paper or a television station. I didn't know you were referring to a poster with reporter in their ID. So in answer to your question, yes I read. [/*]

and why would a reporter use this forum to report what Christine told her? Have we seen it anywhere else?

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh I thought you meant a reporter from a paper or a television station. I didn't know you were referring to a poster with reporter in their ID. So in answer to your question, yes I read. [/*]

does it matter if the reporter is here or on tv or from a paper? I thought mostly reporters were the same. :)

The reporter with the reporterID in their name stated when they first came to this forum that they were a reporter.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


I don't know who anyone is on the other end so I take it for what it's worth. I don't doubt that Christine asked to have the lake looked into though. But the question is, why hasn't LE done anything about it? [/*]

It should have already been done IMO.

[decor]

Originally posted by JustFacts


and why would a reporter use this forum to report what Christine told her? Have we seen it anywhere else? [/*]

why are you asking me? I can't speak for him/her. Ask them

[huskiki]

Originally posted by JustFacts


If she wants anywhere searched, all she has to do is contact TES. :shrug: [/*]

This is true and I thought I read somewhere, early on, that she did email them. Maybe TES didn't have enough to go on, maybe they didn't get the email (I'm sure they get a lot). IMO JMO Christine or Nicholas' parents should follow up with them, they are a great organization.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I might be misunderstanding your post. Are you saying those of us, that don't completely agree with the majority.. you wish would just stop coming here and posting?

Opposing views is what makes this site great... well.. that and that we can do it without it turning ugly. (most of the time)

And.. for the record.. nobody has fed me and I am starving.:D [/*]

LOL! I agree Mystry.

I'll say this again. It is not that questions should NOT be asked. They may very well should be asked. But, when they are asked and assumptions are stated without the context being included, that is where I feel something needs to be said. And should be said. It does not necessarily mean it is supporting Christine.

JMO.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by decor


why are you asking me? I can't speak for him/her. Ask them [/*]

pay attention. My posting wasn't directed at you.:rolleyes:

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by decor
There were two West Seattle Blogs both have been removed and replaced with one but all of the old info is gone. I believe the info about the PI was there and if I remember correctly Christine had nothing to do with that blog.

She may have read about it like everyone else but if she was never contacted then she would know nothing about a PI except what she read like everyone else. [/*]

None of the West Seattle blog entries have been removed.

Here is only one of wife comments in one of the threads:
http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments


#

credmond
are you a detective by profession? do you have information about this case? do you know our family? If you answered no to any or all the questions then please quit posting about my husband. Your speculation is not welcome or is it needed. the police are doing their job. If you think you can do it better than them then give them a call. Otherwise please just keep your OPINION to yourself as you do not have all the facts and you are not working on this case.

Comment by Christine Francisco — February 21, 08 9:05 pm #
[

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


It should have already been done IMO. [/*]

Rainy
If i said i was Nick's girlfriend, would you believe me just cuz i say i am?
Just wonderin........

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


does it matter if the reporter is here or on tv or from a paper? I thought mostly reporters were the same. :)

The reporter with the reporterID in their name stated when they first came to this forum that they were a reporter. [/*]

Okay but my point is I could say I was a reporter also - this person may very well be and hopefully they are because they are the only one who seems to know what is going on lol.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by huskiki


This is true and I thought I read somewhere, early on, that she did email them. Maybe TES didn't have enough to go on, maybe they didn't get the email (I'm sure they get a lot). IMO JMO Christine or Nicholas' parents should follow up with them, they are a great organization. [/*]

An excellent organization. I can't imagine TES saying no to such a request. Must not be too interested in Tim's help.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor





Here I looked it up for you but you will have to ask yourself. It was posted at 10:28 eastern time this morning








[/*]

I know all about it, I didn't need it to be re-posted but thank you :seeya:

All I wanted to know was who the reporter was that you were referring to. Maybe you were referring to an article, if so I didn't know what one. And just because a person states who they are doesn't mean it's true. No disrespect to invreporter1105. You could be a reporter or LE for all I know.

[decor]

Originally posted by JustFacts


pay attention. My posting wasn't directed at you.:rolleyes: [/*]

Oh Sorry LOL

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay but my point is I could say I was a reporter also - this person may very well be and hopefully they are because they are the only one who seems to know what is going on lol. [/*]


Pm'd you again Rainy.......
not sure what i can post publicly or not....

[SeattleEddie]

There are four or five or six update threads on the West Seattle blog. The one with wife comments has many hundreds of comments, including a number from her. At one point, she was chastised by the administrator.

I will have to finish catching up later this evening, only got to page 2....lots of comments today......

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soyesterday


Rainy
If i said i was Nick's girlfriend, would you believe me just cuz i say i am?
Just wonderin........ [/*]

Well thats what I was thinking also - I mean someone could come here with "NicksMom" as an ID - would that mean it was Nick's mom?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


None of the West Seattle blog entries have been removed.

Here is only one of wife comments in one of the threads:
http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments


#

credmond
are you a detective by profession? do you have information about this case? do you know our family? If you answered no to any or all the questions then please quit posting about my husband. Your speculation is not welcome or is it needed. the police are doing their job. If you think you can do it better than them then give them a call. Otherwise please just keep your OPINION to yourself as you do not have all the facts and you are not working on this case.

Comment by Christine Francisco — February 21, 08 9:05 pm #
[ [/*]

Hi Eddie :seeya:

I saw that this morning, that all the articles were still there. But on the one that has over 300 comments it says something like all comments older than 3 weeks are removed. Are you able to see all comments?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Well thats what I was thinking also - I mean someone could come here with "NicksMom" as an ID - would that mean it was Nick's mom? [/*]

Right....or "Nicksgirl" or "Nickshot!!!"
lol....
ok....but really he is pretty cute isn't he?

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay but my point is I could say I was a reporter also - this person may very well be and hopefully they are because they are the only one who seems to know what is going on lol. [/*]

I understand that but when the person first came they stated they were a reporter. I thought nothing of it. They only asked one or two questions and then were gone. They have made several posts after that,
some stating or insinuating that they had spoken to Christine.
and the reason I BELIEVE them is because they come here and do not have an agenda and do not seem to be on one side or the other. They are objective strictly looking for answers and have not some to any conclusions that have come across in their posts.

I don't care if they are a reporter or not. If anyone else cares they will have to ask them.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by soyesterday



Pm'd you again Rainy.......
not sure what i can post publicly or not.... [/*]

never mind.....
i must of missed this part somehow....
ignore my pm :)

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay but my point is I could say I was a reporter also - this person may very well be and hopefully they are because they are the only one who seems to know what is going on lol. [/*]

Hey guys. I just dropped in for a sec and havent read today's threads but I did see mention of "invreporter1105".

You can read about him here. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/michaeldevlin.nsf/story/DF2EFA0C50C6EA3986257287007A2C10?OpenDocument)

As for me, Im off for some shut eye. My Godson and his wife just welcomed a beautiful baby boy into the world this morning and after being at the hospital for what seems eternity, I am spent.

Later!

[decor]

Originally posted by Beth
Guess that means my name must really be Beth. [/*]

why? I didn't see any post that stated that your name was Beth

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
The bus station and train station are not close to his work, i.e. not within within walking distance. But they are very close on a bus. It's like, his work would be on the outer outer edges of one end of downtown Seattle and the bus and train station would be on the outer outer edge of the other end.

His work isn't technically downtown, it's in a district that skirts downtown. The bus station is close to downtown proper, and the train station is right next to the baseball and football stadiums (which are on the south end of the business district).

I will try to get a map to highllight all three.

Someone mentioned earlier there was a game at Safeco field (the baseball stadium) that night, as rationale for why he wouldn't drive on a certain street, I think. It was one of the fan club who mentioned that. I am going to look in to that. I don't think baseball has started yet.

I haven't caught up yet, so maybe all these points have been covered..... [/*]

Seattle Mariners spring training schedule in Peoria Arizona
http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=sea&m=2&y=2008

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


I understand that but when the person first came they stated they were a reporter. I thought nothing of it. They only asked one or two questions and then were gone. They have made several posts after that,
some stating or insinuating that they had spoken to Christine.
and the reason I BELIEVE them is because they come here and do not have an agenda and do not seem to be on one side or the other. They are objective strictly looking for answers and have not some to any conclusions that have come across in their posts.

I don't care if they are a reporter or not. If anyone else cares they will have to ask them. [/*]

I understand Decor and IMO there is only one side - finding Nicholas.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by soyesterday
I think that Christine should tell LE everything she knows so we can get to finding out what happened to Nicholas.
I'm still waiting...... [/*]

What makes you think she hasn't? Is that a fact or just an opinion?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by decor


I understand that but when the person first came they stated they were a reporter. I thought nothing of it. They only asked one or two questions and then were gone. They have made several posts after that,
some stating or insinuating that they had spoken to Christine.
and the reason I BELIEVE them is because they come here and do not have an agenda and do not seem to be on one side or the other. They are objective strictly looking for answers and have not some to any conclusions that have come across in their posts.

I don't care if they are a reporter or not. If anyone else cares they will have to ask them. [/*]

I do agree, they do not seem to have an agenda and I do believe that they are helping Christine in some way. Whoever it is wants to find Nicholas.

[decor]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Hey guys. I just dropped in for a sec and havent read today's threads but I did see mention of "invreporter1105".

You can read about him here. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/michaeldevlin.nsf/story/DF2EFA0C50C6EA3986257287007A2C10?OpenDocument)

As for me, Im off for some shut eye. My Godson and his wife just welcomed a beautiful baby boy into the world this morning and after being at the hospital for what seems eternity, I am spent.

Later! [/*]


THANK YOU KINDRA!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Hey guys. I just dropped in for a sec and havent read today's threads but I did see mention of "invreporter1105".

You can read about him here. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/michaeldevlin.nsf/story/DF2EFA0C50C6EA3986257287007A2C10?OpenDocument)

As for me, Im off for some shut eye. My Godson and his wife just welcomed a beautiful baby boy into the world this morning and after being at the hospital for what seems eternity, I am spent.

Later! [/*]

Congrats on the baby boy! :rose:

And thanks for the link.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Hey guys. I just dropped in for a sec and havent read today's threads but I did see mention of "invreporter1105".

You can read about him here. (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/michaeldevlin.nsf/story/DF2EFA0C50C6EA3986257287007A2C10?OpenDocument)

As for me, Im off for some shut eye. My Godson and his wife just welcomed a beautiful baby boy into the world this morning and after being at the hospital for what seems eternity, I am spent.

Later! [/*]

Congrats!!!! See this is all we needed - one itsy bitsy link - thanks Kindra.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t


No they weren't covered. Thanks SE! The map would be great, if you have the time.

So he could've hopped on a public bus to get to whatever destination he was headed to. Maybe get to a Greyhound bus terminal or train station or even the airport? Or someone could've given him a ride. [/*]

Aren't there Cabs in Seattle?

[SeattleEddie]

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/ This is my favorite Mars Hill piece.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


the only one to say this is wife. On one interview, she even said he was "very excited" to be coming home (that evening) so I don't put very much stock in what she says. [/*]

Hi Eddie,

I believe that his friend, Matt, said that he had talked to Nicholas and Nicholas was excited about the new baby.

It was in one of the interviews Matt did on tv. I tried to access the interview from the Donovan site and wasn't successful.

If someone has those interviews, then correct me if I am wrong, please.

[soyesterday]

Is there any proof from phone records that Christine actually talked to Nick before he left?

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Congrats!!!! See this is all we needed - one itsy bitsy link - thanks Kindra. [/*]

I didn't. because I read his posts. I analyzed what his questions were and what they were asking. At that point I believed him because of what I stated.


Last week Harlett made a post and I knew by the post that she was helping Christine. Two days later someone announced it and everyone was surprised.

instead of trying to think about your next attack on me, if you looked at the posts I reference maybe you would find some answers too.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Beth
Guess that means my name must really be Beth. [/*]

*gasp!* lol

and I live in a field of snow...

Now I wish that when CW made me change my name to avoid confusion with the departed bird, that I changed it to Love Doctor. :D

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


I didn't. because I read his posts. I analyzed what his questions were and what they were asking. At that point I believed him because of what I stated.


Last week Harlett made a post and I knew by the post that she was helping Christine. Two days later someone announced it and everyone was surprised.

instead of trying to think about your next attack on me, if you looked at the posts I reference maybe you would find some answers too. [/*]

Decor - I don't believe I have posted anything to you today to warrant this, certainly no attacks.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by decor



THANK YOU KINDRA! [/*]

Did you read it first, Decor? Or did the reporter writing that story not report correctly?

"
But even invreporter1105 said Friday he couldn't be sure the photos he released were undoctored. He said he put them out to illustrate the pain that Shawn might have suffered at Devlin's hand. He's not a reporter or a cop. He's just a guy in Kentucky with a computer. And now he's a little famous."

[soyesterday]

And if there's no proof that she actually talked to him, then why are we believing that?
There's simple stuff like caller id and stuff right?
Maybe she never even talked to him......
and
maybe he just left w/ his gf....
maybe......

[soyesterday]

it's time to figure this out....

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Aren't there Cabs in Seattle? [/*]

LOL. Comedy is a good thing.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Decor - I don't believe I have posted anything to you today to warrant this, certainly no attacks. [/*]

rainey
after a while combined attacks all become a blur as to who is making them. I don't even look to see who is posting half of the time, I just read the posts.
the comment said, meant that no one wanted to be bothered asking, no one wanted to be bothered to look up the posts, I did found the post and posted it and then the response is ,
see, all we needed was a link.

I thought the idea was to figure what happened or at least help to figure it out. If no one can be bothered to actually look at things because they want all of the blame to go to Christine then they aren't going to come up with very much in my opinion..

[decor]

Originally posted by field of snow


Did you read it first, Decor? Or did the reporter writing that story not report correctly?

"
But even invreporter1105 said Friday he couldn't be sure the photos he released were undoctored. He said he put them out to illustrate the pain that Shawn might have suffered at Devlin's hand. He's not a reporter or a cop. He's just a guy in Kentucky with a computer. And now he's a little famous." [/*]

have you been reading? this whole thing was about whether he was an actual reporter, not what he reported.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor


rainey
after a while combined attacks all become a blur as to who is making them. I don't even look to see who is posting half of the time, I just read the posts.
the comment said, meant that no one wanted to be bothered asking, no one wanted to be bothered to look up the posts, I did found the post and posted it and then the response is ,
see, all we needed was a link.

I thought the idea was to figure what happened or at least help to figure it out. If no one can be bothered to actually look at things because they want all of the blame to go to Christine then they aren't going to come up with very much in my opinion.. [/*]

To be honest it never entered my mind to google a screen name. I've googled all day so if I had thought it might lead somewhere I would have.

[mc528]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Eddie :seeya:

I saw that this morning, that all the articles were still there. But on the one that has over 300 comments it says something like all comments older than 3 weeks are removed. Are you able to see all comments? [/*]


I read that notation (which is on all of the entries) to mean that it had been three weeks without any comments, so the ability to comment had been closed. There are definitely older comments there......they start from as soon as the entry was posted.....but there weren't any after the end of Feb, early March (guess folks stopped commenting there and had moved on)

[Musterion]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
OK, After having my fanny spanked quite soundly by Musterion last nite (and without cause, I might add), I had determined to lurk only and not post for a while.
Alas, I can't help myself! But just as an alert---my guards are up! (and I'm sitting on a cushion to ease the stinging pain)...

My parents had a man in their church who was married but one day just up and left his wife. He went on a business trip and didn't come home. I'm not sure if the wife called police....she knew what was up. He had been struggling, since their early marriage, with homosexual attractions.
He did finally call home and told his wife he had found a lover and was filing for divorce. It was all so cut and dried for him but she was devastated. Fortunately, they had no children.
I'm not so sure she ever got over it but she had a lot of support. I remember feeling so angry on her behalf. Sure, he had a right to his life, but I felt the way he went about it was crushing.
Could this be the case with Nicholas?

It would explain a lot....like why they left their church, why Christine would say "he's no coward," why she would be so angry at the world, why she feels "dumped on" by their financial responsibilities......why she would respond "these kids have no daddy." [/*]

LOL! I don't believe in spanking!

And, as you said last night, you were just trying to be funny. If that is the case then I do give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize!

What I do believe in, though, is trying to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt to most everyone. Including Christine in these circumstances. JMO.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by decor


have you been reading? this whole thing was about whether he was an actual reporter, not what he reported. [/*]

I just PMed you to keep it on topic on the board. But yes I have been reading and that bit I just quoted from the article Kindra linked to says he is not a reporter.

Or am I totally misunderstanding something?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



I read that notation (which is on all of the entries) to mean that it had been three weeks without any comments, so the ability to comment had been closed. There are definitely older comments there......they start from as soon as the entry was posted.....but there weren't any after the end of Feb, early March (guess folks stopped commenting there and had moved on) [/*]

This was a note by the editor...
Comment by WSB Editor — February 28, 08 10:48 am #

Sorry, after 3 weeks of commentlessness, comment time is over.

[soyesterday]

Words mean alot....
names, titles, music, poetry, etc...
when you "google" something, you can find out alot about a word or about something or about someone.....
i don't know if i'm making sense, but sometimes people leave "clues" or "hints' about themselves that you might not think mean anything, but when you look deeper, you find out more than you thought you would....
maybe Nicholas was trying to do this...
he wanted to be heard???
when you google "so yesterday"....there are the lyrics to that song.....

If it's over, let it go and
Come tomorrow it will seem
So yesterday, so yesterday
I'm just a bird that's already flown away

Thank you... you made my mind up for me
When you started to ignore me
Do you see a single tear
It isn't gonna happen here
At least not today

i dunno.....i guess i'm rambling....
but sometimes we all just want to be heard....
think....what was going through his head????

[desmom]

King County 4X4 S & R
http://www.kc4x4sar.org/

King County Explorer S & R
http://www.kcesar.org/

Northwest Horseback S & R
http://www.nwhsar.org/

Pacific Northwest Trackers
http://www.pacificnwtrackers.com/

The Port of Seattle Police Dive and Boat Teams
http://www.portseattle.org/about/organization/portpolice/diveteam.shtml

ETA ~ I volunteered with an area S & R team many moons ago. A local physician worked very closely with us on drownings. He was quite good at looking at water temp, weather conditions, body weight and current to determine a time frame when and where a body would surface. He was always within a couple of hours and 50 yards. I am sure with all the water in the Seattle area, there would be someone that could also provide the same information.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom
King County 4X4 S & R
http://www.kc4x4sar.org/

King County Explorer S & R
http://www.kcesar.org/

Northwest Horseback S & R
http://www.nwhsar.org/

Pacific Northwest Trackers
http://www.pacificnwtrackers.com/

The Port of Seattle Police Dive and Boat Teams
http://www.portseattle.org/about/organization/portpolice/diveteam.shtml [/*]

Thanks Desmom - I was going to try and look that up earlier to see what resources they had available.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Envision


Music is a HUGE part of my life and words to songs I, myself quote mean more than just what the writer/artist sang about. Anyone who knows me well knows to look into my passages and/or CD player to learn my feelings.

Nicholas did not just quote passages to impress anyone, he was making a statement. [/*]

:)

[soyesterday]

ok seriously
did i scare everyone away?

why did everyone stop posting all at once????

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth
he is NOT a reporter. Just a guy from KY. You were right, Field of Snow. [/*]

Sounds like he did get some information others were not able to get - perhaps he can do that with this case. Anything to help find Nicholas.