Discussion - March 18th.

[tulipmom]

I just know many times on here stuff gets questioned after the fact and it's best to nip it in the bud since Harlett actually did say CF told her not only had they not been contacted but that she knew nothing about a PI. Now, since Harlett has not really addressed the fine points, this is not a nit-picky issue. Either Harlett got it wrong or CF was not being honest. There is no way she did not know and it was posted early enough on several boards so she could have requested it to be corrected by the Publicis site if it were not true.

This is one strange case but I know many of us have our gut instincts.

[decor]

Originally posted by Beth
No, not a bit. After reading that article, I'm even more convinced that the internet and these chat rooms/crime forums can be very instrumental in helping to find missing people. I actually read that article to myself (twice) and then sent it to my husband.

It's an amazing story and I certainly would have never found it. [/*]

it is also over a year old. did you notice that. have you done anything to see if this is still true or if things have changed?

[desmom]

OMG! This is absolutely ridiculous!

If you disagree with a post, ignore it or explain why you disagree with the post. There is absolutely no reason to attack the poster.

If a post has "imo" or "jmo" or "moo" it is an opinion and not fact.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by decor


that is quite okay.
I just worry since I was online once on a board on Ebay when a regular had a heart attack and it was by the way they were posting that people could tell. She didn't realize what was happening but people kept posting to her to dial 911 which she was able to do. [/*]

Oh wow....Thank you for asking then! I hope the person was ok...

[decor]

Originally posted by Musterion


Oh wow....Thank you for asking then! I hope the person was ok... [/*]

actually she survived because she did dial 911. others wondered if she would have died if she hadn't been posting as there was no one home with her at the time.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi SHins,

This kind of post is what I was talking about earlier. Where is the context? I'm not picking on you, SHins. I'm just pointing out that reading this post the assumption could be exactly what you summed up C and F to be. Based on your wording and lack of context.

But, what you are stating is not in context. Not with the whole of their lives. CF did say that he would bring her coffee. She did say that he got up with the children before work. But did he 'have' to as you stated?

Running errands? We just know that he was asked to stop for sugar, one time. We don't know about every night or every day. We don't know if making cookies was a nightly event or just for Valentine's Day.

From the facts we have it appears that Nicholas was a great guy. A good husband and dad. I've not heard one person come forward and say that Nick wasn't happy. Unless you have something that I have missed that says someone specifically stated that he was unhappy.

The context of CF and NF's life, to me, seems much like many couples that I know. Two people married, having children, working together to build a life. He brings in the income, she is home with the children. It can be tiring and draining on both parents.

I'm basing this on the facts of what we know, in the context of what is known. It does not mean, as more facts are revealed that what you are saying is not accurate. But, I do not see where what you are saying can be validated with facts at this time. JMO. [/*]

Most of the "facts" we know have come straight from his wife. We still don't know if he did the things he did because he wanted to do them or she expected him to do them. Once in awhile is one thing but from reading and hearing her own words, it sounds to me as though CF is very high maintenence.

[Shimz]

rainy i sent u a PM... i have never done this before sooo.. hope i did it right

[soyesterday]

appledipper....
pm...
check it......
lol....
no really, i just pm'd you back k? :)

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by desmom
OMG! This is absolutely ridiculous!

If you disagree with a post, ignore it or explain why you disagree with the post. There is absolutely no reason to attack the poster.

If a post has "imo" or "jmo" or "moo" it is an opinion and not fact. [/*]

:beer:

[n/t]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Aren't there Cabs in Seattle? [/*]

Why yes of course. Hopping on a bus probably would've been cheaper and quicker than flagging down a cab. Not to mention less noticeable. Maybe. Not sure how much money he had on him but according to the article I mentioned earlier, a trip to Los Angeles from Seattle by Greyhound bus is approx $92.00.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Most of the "facts" we know have come straight from his wife. We still don't know if he did the things he did because he wanted to do them or she expected him to do them. Once in awhile is one thing but from reading and hearing her own words, it sounds to me as though CF is very high maintenence. [/*]

A couple of questions on your post, JustFacts.

If we take what Christine says as having any bearing toward a fact out of the equation then shouldn't we take everything out? That would include that Nicholas brought her coffee in the morning/s and got up and fed the children every day.

Could you define high maintenance?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme


Exactly. If his help leads to finding NF should we care what, if any, credentials he has?

If only those that have some "official" invetigative powers were beneficial to any case then I suppose there would be no need for all of the boards out there like this one. [/*]

I don't care if Lassie finds him as long as he is found, but I think I speak for both of us when I say that the victim should not be hurt in this quest.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t


Why yes of course. Hopping on a bus probably would've been cheaper and quicker than flagging down a cab. Not to mention less noticeable. Maybe. Not sure how much money he had on him but according to the article I mentioned earlier, a trip to Los Angeles from Seattle by Greyhound bus is approx $92.00. [/*]

I think someone would have at least checked if a cab picked up someone in the condo area in those few days timespan and where they were dropped off.

[desmom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Most of the "facts" we know have come straight from his wife. We still don't know if he did the things he did because he wanted to do them or she expected him to do them. Once in awhile is one thing but from reading and hearing her own words, it sounds to me as though CF is very high maintenence. [/*]

I agree (and so does my husband).

jmo

[decor]

Originally posted by Musterion


A couple of questions on your post, JustFacts.

If we take what Christine says as having any bearing toward a fact out of the equation then shouldn't we take everything out? That would include that Nicholas brought her coffee in the morning/s and got up and fed the children every day.

Could you define high maintenance? [/*]

good point.

[n/t]

Originally posted by soyesterday
Words mean alot....
names, titles, music, poetry, etc...
when you "google" something, you can find out alot about a word or about something or about someone.....
i don't know if i'm making sense, but sometimes people leave "clues" or "hints' about themselves that you might not think mean anything, but when you look deeper, you find out more than you thought you would....
maybe Nicholas was trying to do this...
he wanted to be heard???
when you google "so yesterday"....there are the lyrics to that song.....

If it's over, let it go and
Come tomorrow it will seem
So yesterday, so yesterday
I'm just a bird that's already flown away

Thank you... you made my mind up for me
When you started to ignore me
Do you see a single tear
It isn't gonna happen here
At least not today

i dunno.....i guess i'm rambling....
but sometimes we all just want to be heard....
think....what was going through his head???? [/*]

Was that a song he posted somewhere? Sorry still trying to catch up.

[isitme]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I don't care if Lassie finds him as long as he is found, but I think I speak for both of us when I say that the victim should not be hurt in this quest. [/*]

Yes, you are absolutely correct.

Thank you.

[Shimz]

SO I googled NF's sisters name, and the "pamela francisco" has a myspace (24 from oregon, i am assuming is her?) but it is private...

I googled the other name and got this link

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~dfrancis/

Seems like it could be his sister? artistic (also mentions playing around on photoshop), considering studying religion... looks like she could be related... i don't know... i think there was a picture with his sisters on flikr but they are gone now

earlier today on the thread, someone mentioned they should be checking flights to honolulu.. and someone else mentioned that it was odd to specify that...

and the college this girl goes to is in hawaii... sooo.. i kind of thought there could possibly be some connection...

imo

[n/t]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I think someone would have at least checked if a cab picked up someone in the condo area in those few days timespan and where they were dropped off. [/*]

The condo area wasn't what I was referring to in my posts.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by n/t


Was that a song he posted somewhere? Sorry still trying to catch up. [/*]

no i was just trying to make a point
i kinda went on and on i guess
i was talking about the meaning behind words or names, etc....
and i was just saying what comes up when i googled my screen name
don't know if i made much sense though lol

[kpb]

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Originally posted by desmom
OMG! This is absolutely ridiculous!

If you disagree with a post, ignore it or explain why you disagree with the post. There is absolutely no reason to attack the poster.

If a post has "imo" or "jmo" or "moo" it is an opinion and not fact. [/*]
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Originally posted by soyesterday


:beer: [/*]

Double :beer: :beer: Remember people what has been discussed, just take a deep breath and ignore......

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shimz
SO I googled NF's sisters name, and the "pamela francisco" has a myspace (24 from oregon, i am assuming is her?) but it is private...

I googled the other name and got this link

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~dfrancis/

Seems like it could be his sister? artistic (also mentions playing around on photoshop), considering studying religion... looks like she could be related... i don't know... i think there was a picture with his sisters on flikr but they are gone now

earlier today on the thread, someone mentioned they should be checking flights to honolulu.. and someone else mentioned that it was odd to specify that...

and the college this girl goes to is in hawaii... sooo.. i kind of thought there could possibly be some connection...

imo [/*]

Interesting. Good find. Maybe it is his sister, if not could be related. Remember the detective said he has a big family!!

[n/t]

Originally posted by soyesterday


no i was just trying to make a point
i kinda went on and on i guess
i was talking about the meaning behind words or names, etc....
and i was just saying what comes up when i googled my screen name
don't know if i made much sense though lol [/*]

NP. Thanks for clarifying. :)

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by kpb


Double :beer: :beer: Remember people what has been discussed, just take a deep breath and ignore...... [/*]

That's what i'm doing.....
:eek:

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I receieved a reply from KC Sherrifs office on why NF is not listed on their site as a missing person:


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.


The reason given is they are not sure that any foul play has occurred in this case. It was just a one line reply to an email I sent asking why he wasnt listed.....we were talking about the listings of missing ppl last week as i remember.
I just wanted to post this all for you; as we are all wondering why and what LE is thinking......I guess they believe he walked away. :shrug: [/*]

Wow. I don't know what to say. Even if they don't think it was foul play, he's still missing.

I'm with you CT. Maybe they think he left voluntarily and he doesn't want to be found. I wish they would make that public though so people will stop searching.

Any other thoughts?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I receieved a reply from KC Sherrifs office on why NF is not listed on their site as a missing person:


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.


The reason given is they are not sure that any foul play has occurred in this case. It was just a one line reply to an email I sent asking why he wasnt listed.....we were talking about the listings of missing ppl last week as i remember.
I just wanted to post this all for you; as we are all wondering why and what LE is thinking......I guess they believe he walked away. :shrug: [/*]

So does this indicate that no fingerprints were found in the car and no other forensic evidence? I would think a car parked in the wrong part of town might indicate SOMETHING suspicious at least enough to put him on their website.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Envision
Seems odd they wouldn't put his pic up anyway, being he is in fact missing. Evidently to get on their site, you have to also be a victim of foul play? [/*]

That's what I was going to say (except you are faster).

Although I can see why they might want to have that policy to keep the list size down. A lot of people go missing, unfortunately.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Musterion


A couple of questions on your post, JustFacts.

If we take what Christine says as having any bearing toward a fact out of the equation then shouldn't we take everything out? That would include that Nicholas brought her coffee in the morning/s and got up and fed the children every day.

Could you define high maintenance? [/*]

I have no reason to disbelieve Christine's comments about coffee and breakfast. Whether true or not, it won't help find him any more than knowing he forgot toast in the toaster.

high maintenance= requiring an excessive amount of attention.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


So does this indicate that no fingerprints were found in the car and no other forensic evidence? I would think a car parked in the wrong part of town might indicate SOMETHING suspicious at least enough to put him on their website. [/*]

It sure sounds like they found nothing. They probably came to the conclusion that he drove the car there. I keep going back to those 2 positive sightings. Was it him???

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth
It would also explain why they would be in no big hurry to "drag" the lake. Seems like a lot of resources would be needed to do something of that magnitude and if they're not inclined to believe he was a victim of foul play, I guess I can understand their reluctance. :shrug: [/*]

True. Also, Greta and Nancy not answering requests for follow up on the case. His family not saying anything. Maybe there really is nothing and he just took off.

[desmom]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I receieved a reply from KC Sherrifs office on why NF is not listed on their site as a missing person:


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.


The reason given is they are not sure that any foul play has occurred in this case. It was just a one line reply to an email I sent asking why he wasnt listed.....we were talking about the listings of missing ppl last week as i remember.
I just wanted to post this all for you; as we are all wondering why and what LE is thinking......I guess they believe he walked away. :shrug: [/*]

Thanks!

It sounds like LE is leaning toward the "he walked" scenario.

It has been over a month since he disappeared. They found his car one month ago today. I would think they have had time to go over his car and check prints in a month.

Wouldn't LE need more than a lack of foul play in his car to lean toward "he walked"? I wonder what LE uncovered when they interviewed NF's coworkers and friends.

jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth
He still needs to be found. If nothing more than for his children and his financial obligation to them. JMO [/*]

I agree but that wouldn't be considered a missing person case, right? I don't know how they deal with these types of situations.

Would it be considered a crime?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


Thanks!

It sounds like LE is leaning toward the "he walked" scenario.

It has been over a month since he disappeared. They found his car one month ago today. I would think they have had time to go over his car and check prints in a month.

Wouldn't LE need more than a lack of foul play in his car to lean toward "he walked"? I wonder what LE uncovered when they interviewed NF's coworkers and friends.

jmo [/*]

This may be the reason his picture is not on her MySpace or blog; why his picture is not on the TES website, and why she is erasing him across the internet. If he did walk out and leave, I think that is wrong wrong wrong and he should contact her to at least make arrangements to see and support the kids.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by desmom


Thanks!

It sounds like LE is leaning toward the "he walked" scenario.

It has been over a month since he disappeared. They found his car one month ago today. I would think they have had time to go over his car and check prints in a month.

Wouldn't LE need more than a lack of foul play in his car to lean toward "he walked"? I wonder what LE uncovered when they interviewed NF's coworkers and friends.

jmo [/*]

They may have uncovered his plans to divorce.

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree but that wouldn't be considered a missing person case, right? I don't know how they deal with these types of situations.

Would it be considered a crime? [/*]

Without a court order for child support, so I don't think there would be any crime.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth


Let's not forget that anger that so many of us have seen too. Would surely explain that! Moo [/*]

Oh yeah

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This may be the reason his picture is not on her MySpace or blog; why his picture is not on the TES website, and why she is erasing him across the internet. If he did walk out and leave, I think that is wrong wrong wrong and he should contact her to at least make arrangements to see and support the kids. [/*]

You know, I wonder if he told her he was leaving and she's doing this to get back at him and it just snow balled into this drama and he freaked and is now in hiding. Maybe he thinks he's in trouble??

Gosh, I don't know what to think. I hope he didn't leave without thinking of his children. I'm still hoping this is some sort of misunderstanding and he'll come home.

I know. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by tulipmom
I just know many times on here stuff gets questioned after the fact and it's best to nip it in the bud since Harlett actually did say CF told her not only had they not been contacted but that she knew nothing about a PI. Now, since Harlett has not really addressed the fine points, this is not a nit-picky issue. Either Harlett got it wrong or CF was not being honest. There is no way she did not know and it was posted early enough on several boards so she could have requested it to be corrected by the Publicis site if it were not true.

This is one strange case but I know many of us have our gut instincts. [/*]

LOL Are you figritout?

How can a person know about a PI being hired if one never was:shrug: Could it possibly be that some co-workers made the comment "we should hire a PI" and as it was 'maybe' said by others about hiring one it was assumed as fact... as so many things are. Could it be that it was an idea that Publicis had and never followed through on...

And no, Harlett did not get it wrong and I don't remember posting where my information came from. So I guess you are assuming it came from CF. If you want to keep checking for the PI go for it.. and let me know what you come up with if you would please :D

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


LOL Are you figritout?

How can a person know about a PI being hired if one never was:shrug: Could it possibly be that some co-workers made the comment "we should hire a PI" and as it was 'maybe' said by others about hiring one it was assumed as fact... as so many things are. Could it be that it was an idea that Publicis had and never followed through on...

And no, Harlett did not get it wrong and I don't remember posting where my information came from. So I guess you are assuming it came from CF. If you want to keep checking for the PI go for it.. and let me know what you come up with if you would please :D [/*]

LOL, Thank you Harlette :biggrin:

[n/t]

I think the pieces are finally coming together now.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I receieved a reply from KC Sherrifs office on why NF is not listed on their site as a missing person:


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.


The reason given is they are not sure that any foul play has occurred in this case. It was just a one line reply to an email I sent asking why he wasnt listed.....we were talking about the listings of missing ppl last week as i remember.
I just wanted to post this all for you; as we are all wondering why and what LE is thinking......I guess they believe he walked away. :shrug: [/*]

Wow.

If they really think he just walked away, then my gut feelings are WAY off here.

[tulipmom]

did you or did you not say you had spoken with her? Now you say you don't remember where your info came from?

Also, as to the other points, it does seem LE thinks he walked away. CF probably knows this but it's rather horrible how from the beginning she used the entire internet to do her work in trying to get back at him. Maybe she thought that would bring him back? Change his mind? I agree that maybe he did file for divorce and they uncovered it.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by babygraceful


& why on the main "FRANCISCO" website - is there a picture of the dog - but not Nicholas?? [/*]

Probably because CF saw how much was being made of the fact and saw how many pages it was generating and kept it up. It has kept this thread going for a month and has kept NF in the spotlight at least here on this forum.

[Shimz]

Sorry to quote myself, I just wanted to clarify... the college is NOT in hawaii it is in Spokane Washington (more convinced now that it could be his sister)





Originally posted by Shimz
SO I googled NF's sisters name, and the "pamela francisco" has a myspace (24 from oregon, i am assuming is her?) but it is private...

I googled the other name and got this link

http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~dfrancis/

Seems like it could be his sister? artistic (also mentions playing around on photoshop), considering studying religion... looks like she could be related... i don't know... i think there was a picture with his sisters on flikr but they are gone now

earlier today on the thread, someone mentioned they should be checking flights to honolulu.. and someone else mentioned that it was odd to specify that...

and the college this girl goes to is in hawaii... sooo.. i kind of thought there could possibly be some connection...

imo [/*]

[tulipmom]

it seems we are all pretty much thinking he walked away? Just as many thought in those first few days due to her responses ( and most of them angry ) and the sudden silence by the media? Wow. Wonder what CF's next move will be? The blogs are silent, even his friend rarely mentions him.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1


Wow.

If they really think he just walked away, then my gut feelings are WAY off here. [/*]

In my opinion, she knew all along. This is a marital separation gone bad.

If we take all the weird coincidences, inconsistencies and statements the pieces come together.

- several phone calls that day

- dead cell phone

- Resigning from church 2 days before

- Costco vs Safeway

- debts vs no debts

- no photos on her myspace

- anger vs distraught

- lack of heartfelt pleas to Nicholas.

- toast in toaster

- not attending vigils

and so on and so on.


He may be in a state of panic for all we know.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by tulipmom
did you or did you not say you had spoken with her? Now you say you don't remember where your info came from?

Also, as to the other points, it does seem LE thinks he walked away. CF probably knows this but it's rather horrible how from the beginning she used the entire internet to do her work in trying to get back at him. Maybe she thought that would bring him back? Change his mind? I agree that maybe he did file for divorce and they uncovered it. [/*]

You need to re-read my post... where did I say I don't remember where my info came from.. I said I don't remember posting where it came from.. big difference In other words, I did not post where the information came from.

see, that's where things get twisted around here, when you don't comprehend what's posted.

and yes, we are doing some things for Christine to try and help find Nicholas.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Shimz
Sorry to quote myself, I just wanted to clarify... the college is NOT in hawaii it is in Spokane Washington (more convinced now that it could be his sister)
[/*]

I think it might be also and did notice she has taken down almost all her pages, removed her Live Journal and purged. She was probably scared to death of being persecuted if we found her pages. After seeing what has happened to CF, she is taking no chances on the same happening to her.

[tulipmom]

He had no idea he would have to deal with a crazed wife going on national tv to get back at him. Then when she allowed the children to be exposed to it also, when most people would be shielding the children from it. Maybe she thought surely that would get him. I think leaving the church only a few days before was also part of this larger picture. He knew it and she knew it. He was walking away.

[tulipmom]

if you did not get the info directly from CF, then there is no way you could know for a fact if CF knew or not if a PI was hired.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by tulipmom
He had no idea he would have to deal with a crazed wife going on national tv to get back at him. Then when she allowed the children to be exposed to it also, when most people would be shielding the children from it. Maybe she thought surely that would get him. I think leaving the church only a few days before was also part of this larger picture. He knew it and she knew it. He was walking away. [/*]

Figritout,
Are these facts you know for sure? Is this only your opinion? If it is fact could you please post a link.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by n/t


In my opinion, she knew all along. This is a marital separation gone bad.

If we take all the weird coincidences, inconsistencies and statements the pieces come together.

- several phone calls that day

- dead cell phone

- Resigning from church 2 days before

- Costco vs Safeway

- debts vs no debts

- no photos on her myspace

- anger vs distraught

- lack of heartfelt pleas to Nicholas.

- toast in toaster

- not attending vigils

and so on and so on.


He may be in a state of panic for all we know. [/*]

but why would he not let his family(parents) know that he was alive and safe?

[Shimz]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I think it might be also and did notice she has taken down almost all her pages, removed her Live Journal and purged. She was probably scared to death of being persecuted if we found her pages. After seeing what has happened to CF, she is taking no chances on the same happening to her. [/*]

No it says the pictures cannot be viewed on this server.... i made my myspace private only to my friends, and not for fear of being persecuted... it was still easy enough to find her no? and there is still info and some pictures...

I just thought it supported the theory that his family may know something about where he is, being that there is no link or any info at all about NF..

Perhaps she doesn't have anything on there because she doesnt want herself to be found when people google his name..

but if it were my brother i would want all the exposure it could get.. but that is JMO

and i am not saying anything bad about his family, i don't think anyone here has said anything bad about his family... my only thought was that MAYBE.. JUST MAYBE.. his family does know where he is.. do u think that could be a possibility?

[tulipmom]

not sure why you are calling me that but my IP can be traced ( as any of ours ) to prove I am not this person. I also don't feed trolls! : )

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by tulipmom
if you did not get the info directly from CF, then there is no way you could know for a fact if CF knew or not if a PI was hired. [/*]

Whatever you say :D but yes, there are other ways of knowing.. and I did not say I didn't get any info from Christine.. I did not say where it came from.. It may have come from several different sources... see that's what happens when you 'assume' things.

[Pam]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


but why would he not let his family(parents) know that he was alive and safe? [/*]

Maybe he has let his parents and sisters know, and that's why they've been so silent lately??

JMO, MOO, IMO and so on and so on.:shrug:

[tulipmom]

Katie, I am thinking he probably did let the family know. That must be why the mom & sisters never did another interview nor contacted any media again! Adding we must all be thinking the same thing about the family and their silence!

[kpb]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You need to re-read my post... where did I say I don't remember where my info came from.. I said I don't remember posting where it came from.. big difference In other words, I did not post where the information came from.

see, that's where things get twisted around here, when you don't comprehend what's posted.

[/*]

Your quote from yesterday::

Neither Christine or the Detectives have been contacted by any PI.. They don't know anything about one being hired.


__________________

So you may or may not of heard this directly from Christine (and we don't know because you're not saying). Then one would wonder why you would bring it up on the board at all if Christine didn't tell you.... but I guess you got your reasons.

[n/t]

Originally posted by tulipmom
it seems we are all pretty much thinking he walked away? Just as many thought in those first few days due to her responses ( and most of them angry ) and the sudden silence by the media? Wow. Wonder what CF's next move will be? The blogs are silent, even his friend rarely mentions him. [/*]

I don't know what to think. I don't tolerate dead beat dads!! But on the other hand, if he told her he was leaving and she decided to this, then it's just wrong. This is not the way to go about it. IMO!

For some reason, I don't see Nicholas as being a dead beat dad who would just pick up and leave his children and not tell anyone.

I believe he wanted to do this amicably but she probably wouldn't have it. Maybe she kept calling him that day begging him not to but he told her that it was over. Maybe she thought he would reconsider and go home that night but when he didn't that's when she called police to report him missing.

Maybe he panicked when he saw the news and that's when he dumped his car and took off?????

[kpb]

Originally posted by tulipmom
if you did not get the info directly from CF, then there is no way you could know for a fact if CF knew or not if a PI was hired. [/*]

Yep, exactly.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't know what to think. I don't tolerate dead beat dads!! But on the other hand, if he told her he was leaving and she decided to this, then it's just wrong. This is not the way to go about it. IMO!

For some reason, I don't see Nicholas as being a dead beat dad who would just pick up and leave his children and not tell anyone.

I believe he wanted to do this amicably but she probably wouldn't have it. Maybe she kept calling him that day begging him not to but he told her that it was over. Maybe she thought he would reconsider and go home that night but when he didn't that's when she called police to report him missing.

Maybe he panicked when he saw the news and that's when he dumped his car and took off????? [/*]


I think that is a very feasable theory and makes a lot of sense... but i dont understand, she doesnt know where he is... why wouldn't he just call her, block the number, and say.. look.. im fine.. and hang up... just to end this madness!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth
Remember, LE does not have to tell anybody where NF is if NF wishes to remain "away". NF could have called LE by now and said "i'm fine and I'm not missing".

Would it then be case closed? [/*]

Maybe that's why they haven't listed him as missing???? I wonder what AMW is going to do. Are they aware??

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shimz



I think that is a very feasable theory and makes a lot of sense... but i dont understand, she doesnt know where he is... why wouldn't he just call her, block the number, and say.. look.. im fine.. and hang up... just to end this madness! [/*]

For all we know, maybe he did!

[Shelby1]

So, if we go with the theory that Nicholas walked away and Christine knew it, we have a whole big scenario going on here.

1. Nicholas is hiding somewhere.

Why? Why doesn't he come forward and tell everyone that he left and she knew he was going to? Because he's scared that he'll be in trouble or look bad?

2. His parents could know where he is, which could explain why they aren't actively searching.

3. Christine accepted money, food and gifts from people wanting to help her. If she knew all along that he was going to leave, then that's just wrong.

4. Why would Nicholas have ditched the car? Why not just keep it and leave in it? Why hide?

5. Could his job be connected with wanting to hide?

6. The children. Why do this to the kids? Why not get divorced like people do all the time and share custody?

These are just my random questions that I'm thinking as I'm making spaghetti sauce in my kitchen. Forgive me if you guys think they don't make sense.

[tulipmom]

I was about to say the same thing. I mean would she really let anyone know if he had? Her funds would start to dry up.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by n/t


For all we know, maybe he did! [/*]

very true!

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Shimz


No it says the pictures cannot be viewed on this server.... i made my myspace private only to my friends, and not for fear of being persecuted... it was still easy enough to find her no? and there is still info and some pictures...

I just thought it supported the theory that his family may know something about where he is, being that there is no link or any info at all about NF..

Perhaps she doesn't have anything on there because she doesnt want herself to be found when people google his name..

but if it were my brother i would want all the exposure it could get.. but that is JMO

and i am not saying anything bad about his family, i don't think anyone here has said anything bad about his family... my only thought was that MAYBE.. JUST MAYBE.. his family does know where he is.. do u think that could be a possibility? [/*]

I could view the friends photos but all other pages were blank . I think if the family knows, they are doing CF a great injustice by not telling her the truth.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by kpb


Your quote from yesterday::

Neither Christine or the Detectives have been contacted by any PI.. They don't know anything about one being hired.


__________________

So you may or may not of heard this directly from Christine (and we don't know because you're not saying). Then one would wonder why you would bring it up on the board at all if Christine didn't tell you.... but I guess you got your reasons. [/*]

My original reason for bringing it up was because so many were fixated on the PI when there wasn't one. Nothing more, nothing less... but you can see where it escalated to. Some do not care about hearing facts..

I wonder, does anyone think I would jeopardize what we do by coming here and giving false information. What I was doing was trying to let posters know to not waste their time on the PI angle.... it wouldn't lead them anywhere. Believe me, I will never put myself in this position again...

[tulipmom]

you could always go back to square one and the theory that was suggested in the beginning about them being in on it together. Maybe they did not know it would snowball to this degree and now he can't come back? Maybe it was due to financial problems ? Publicis problems? They never imagined this would happen?

[isitme]

First I think he walked off too. Have felt that stronger than any of the other possible reasons I have come up with. However I don’t see this brief statement by LE in an email to be the final word on what has happened to NF. They say that they cannot find anything to rule that NF was a victim of foul play.


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.

I don’t see that that statement changes what we learned from LE weeks ago. Sure it may indicate that the forensics came back with not evidence of a crime being committed in the car. And the finances and other investigations may not provided proof of a foul play but does that mean there is no possible way NF didn’t meet with foul play?

I will wait for a final decision to be made public before I discount any possible for the why/how/ when and where of this matter.



Am I missing something. Please be kind when you :punch: me remember I have a BAAAAD sinus headache today.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by tulipmom
I was about to say the same thing. I mean would she really let anyone know if he had? Her funds would start to dry up. [/*]

probably not, but for him to be vindictive enough to just leave her and the kids like that, why wouldn't he say something to anyone.. ANYONE.. even his best friend to post on his blog or something (and didn't care that CF knew he was safe -- assuming he called her).. word would spread like wild fire

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by tulipmom
Katie, I am thinking he probably did let the family know. That must be why the mom & sisters never did another interview nor contacted any media again! Adding we must all be thinking the same thing about the family and their silence! [/*]

thanks all of you! But someone in the family must have contacted LE and let them know that he is ok? I mean,,,yikes....how could you let people continue to search for him if he isn't missing :shrug:

[kpb]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


My original reason for bringing it up was because so many were fixated on the PI when there wasn't one. Nothing more, nothing less... but you can see where it escalated to. Some do not care about hearing facts..

I wonder, does anyone think I would jeopardize what we do by coming here and giving false information. What I was doing was trying to let posters know to not waste their time on the PI angle.... it wouldn't lead them anywhere. Believe me, I will never put myself in this position again... [/*]

Do you know for a fact that Publicis does not have a PI looking for Nicholas?

[tulipmom]

Has anyone contacted them yet regarding the PI info on their site? I thought it was mentioned earlier today. Because since Harlett seems to know for certain that there never was a PI, it would be interesting to have one of them from that site answer as to where that info was from and why CF or anyone else never directed them to take it off that site as false.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
You're not the only one :D :patriot: [/*]

Thanks, Cat! I hope you are getting better--I read that you were in a lot of pain and I hate that for you.

It's good to know that you had guts like mine lol.

[tulipmom]

are your gut feelings about the several hours that first evening prior to her contacting LE? If so, I have not ruled that out either.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by kpb


Do you know for a fact that Publicis does not have a PI looking for Nicholas? [/*]

Yes I do.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by isitme
First I think he walked off too. Have felt that stronger than any of the other possible reasons I have come up with. However I don’t see this brief statement by LE in an email to be the final word on what has happened to NF. They say that they cannot find anything to rule that NF was a victim of foul play.



I don’t see that that statement changes what we learned from LE weeks ago. Sure it may indicate that the forensics came back with not evidence of a crime being committed in the car. And the finances and other investigations may not provided proof of a foul play but does that mean there is no possible way NF didn’t meet with foul play?

I will wait for a final decision to be made public before I discount any possible for the why/how/ when and where of this matter.



Am I missing something. Please be kind when you :punch: me remember I have a BAAAAD sinus headache today. [/*]

What you said makes perfect sense.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1
So, if we go with the theory that Nicholas walked away and Christine knew it, we have a whole big scenario going on here.

1. Nicholas is hiding somewhere.

Why? Why doesn't he come forward and tell everyone that he left and she knew he was going to? Because he's scared that he'll be in trouble or look bad?

2. His parents could know where he is, which could explain why they aren't actively searching.

3. Christine accepted money, food and gifts from people wanting to help her. If she knew all along that he was going to leave, then that's just wrong.

4. Why would Nicholas have ditched the car? Why not just keep it and leave in it? Why hide?

5. Could his job be connected with wanting to hide?

6. The children. Why do this to the kids? Why not get divorced like people do all the time and share custody?

These are just my random questions that I'm thinking as I'm making spaghetti sauce in my kitchen. Forgive me if you guys think they don't make sense. [/*]



mmmmm spaghetti sauce.

Very valid questions Shelby. My gut tells me he panicked or is ashamed by all the attention and focus on him. He probably never imagined he would be talked about on National Television.

I think his family was probably aware of the marital problems and maybe Nicholas did tell them about a divorce but when Christine called them in a panic with her "sugar" story, they probably believed her. Who knows what she told them. She could've told them they were working things out and he was going to bake cookies with his daughter. As a parent, the first reaction would be OMG, where is he? What's going on?

But then, I think they started to realize the truth.

I never understood his family not helping her out or not that we're aware of. I feel so so sad for the children. They don't deserve any of this.

[n/t]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


thanks all of you! But someone in the family must have contacted LE and let them know that he is ok? I mean,,,yikes....how could you let people continue to search for him if he isn't missing :shrug: [/*]

Katie, they haven't listed him as missing so imo, they know he left voluntarily. The "missing" stuff comes from the wife.

[kpb]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by kpb


Do you know for a fact that Publicis does not have a PI looking for Nicholas? [/*]

Yes I do. [/*]

Thank you.

[n/t]

Originally posted by isitme
First I think he walked off too. Have felt that stronger than any of the other possible reasons I have come up with. However I don’t see this brief statement by LE in an email to be the final word on what has happened to NF. They say that they cannot find anything to rule that NF was a victim of foul play.



I don’t see that that statement changes what we learned from LE weeks ago. Sure it may indicate that the forensics came back with not evidence of a crime being committed in the car. And the finances and other investigations may not provided proof of a foul play but does that mean there is no possible way NF didn’t meet with foul play?

I will wait for a final decision to be made public before I discount any possible for the why/how/ when and where of this matter.



Am I missing something. Please be kind when you :punch: me remember I have a BAAAAD sinus headache today. [/*]

The fact,as I understand it is that they have not listed him as missing. I understand what you're saying and I agree that we should get something in public but will they do that? They haven't said peep about anything.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by n/t


Katie, they haven't listed him as missing so imo, they know he left voluntarily. The "missing" stuff comes from the wife. [/*]

but how could they stand by and let all of this go on? I just don't get it. There has to be SO much more that we don't know!

[decor]

wow. leave for an hour and all he** breaks loose.

one sentence and almost the entire board swings the other way.

[PerneciaJane]

Regardless of what they said he is still listed as Missing on the King County Web Site.

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t




mmmmm spaghetti sauce.

Very valid questions Shelby. My gut tells me he panicked or is ashamed by all the attention and focus on him. He probably never imagined he would be talked about on National Television.

I think his family was probably aware of the marital problems and maybe Nicholas did tell them about a divorce but when Christine called them in a panic with her "sugar" story, they probably believed her. Who knows what she told them. She could've told them they were working things out and he was going to bake cookies with his daughter. As a parent, the first reaction would be OMG, where is he? What's going on?

But then, I think they started to realize the truth.

I never understood his family not helping her out or not that we're aware of. I feel so so sad for the children. They don't deserve any of this. [/*]

Thanks, n/t. I wondered if I was the only one thinking all of this.

*sigh*

This whole thing is really confusing.

[n/t]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


but how could they stand by and let all of this go on? I just don't get it. There has to be SO much more that we don't know! [/*]

There's not much going on really or not that we know of. Christine is the only one still claiming he's missing. There have been no searches in almost a month. I think the first few days is when they were actively searching and then it stopped.

As far as I can tell, LE is not doing much. This is all Christine's doing and it's all being done over the internet and message boards. Nobody is physically searching for him!

No searches that I'm aware of

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by n/t


There's not much going on really or not that we know of. Christine is the only one still claiming he's missing. There have been no searches in almost a month. I think the first few days is when they were actively searching and then it stopped.

As far as I can tell, LE is not doing much. This is all Christine's doing and it's all being done over the internet and message boards. Nobody is physically searching for him!

No searches that I'm aware of [/*]

I know *sigh* But people DO care.....as this board is testament to. If the truth is out....LE and the rest of the people (us) should be told :mad:

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I receieved a reply from KC Sherrifs office on why NF is not listed on their site as a missing person:


At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.


The reason given is they are not sure that any foul play has occurred in this case. It was just a one line reply to an email I sent asking why he wasnt listed.....we were talking about the listings of missing ppl last week as i remember.
I just wanted to post this all for you; as we are all wondering why and what LE is thinking......I guess they believe he walked away. :shrug: [/*]

Cat Toy,

Is that the exact quote from the Sheriff's office "At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco's disappearance was a result of foul play. So that's why he is not on the web site." ?

And, also, what was your exact question to them?

TIA!

[KKKKKKatie]

o/t but Cat Toy I hope you are recovering well!

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I know *sigh* But people DO care.....as this board is testament to. If the truth is out....LE and the rest of the people (us) should be told :mad: [/*]

I agree, Katie.

[n/t]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane
Regardless of what they said he is still listed as Missing on the King County Web Site.

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895 [/*]

Does anyone have the official website??

What's this?

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528



I read that notation (which is on all of the entries) to mean that it had been three weeks without any comments, so the ability to comment had been closed. There are definitely older comments there......they start from as soon as the entry was posted.....but there weren't any after the end of Feb, early March (guess folks stopped commenting there and had moved on) [/*]

Thanks mc, I guess I read it wrong. I believe people were basicly told not to comment any more. The writer of the West Seattle Blog said something like if you live in Seattle you can post. Don't quote me on that. LOL I will have to go back to find that.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I just dont think thats true, unless all his clothes ARE gone from her house and we dont know that.....now that would be NO TRACE left of him......

His Ipod is with him so is his laptop; which means, he most likely is online as well. Since his wife said "there is no trace of him left" than I'd have to be inclined to believe, that his closet may be empty; his shoes, all gone.

CT [/*]

IMO Christine was vaguley quoting LE when she made that statement. If someone has handy when she made the statement I believe it was after this:

Literally there is no place to search," said King County sheriff's spokesman John Urquhart. http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

John Urquhart, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff's Office, told ABC News one week after 28-year-old Nicholas Francisco vanished after what seemed like a typical day of work at a downtown Seattle design company. "It's most clearly a disappearance into thin air."

[n/t]

I just thought of something. Could Christine be saying that she believes he was murdered so LE would start looking for him eventhough there is nothing that would suggest foul play?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t
I just thought of something. Could Christine be saying that she believes he was murdered so LE would start looking for him eventhough there is nothing that would suggest foul play? [/*]
Could she be saying it because she believes it?

[n/t]

CT or anyone, is the link I posted for the website the correct one?

I did a search on their website. I typed in Nicholas Francisco and nothing about Nicholas shows up. Not even the news about his disappearance.

:confused:

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I"m not sure; I'm not sure if that is the sheriff's dept...they are usually seperate from the city police, state troopers, etc. they are all seperate. The link showed some info but no photo at all......not a very good way to search for a missing person, at the very least ya need a photo huh n/t!! Its really sad, makes me think that CF thinks she is inept, cant take care of her own kids, needs public donations....etc. Not very humbling, imo. Now, that's just my opinion....

LE must have more evidence than they released that he walked...that's my guess on this. To NOT list him; means they dont think he is missing, or endangered missing....

If I were his mother, I'd have him listed as such, so they must know where he is, they have been silent since Feb...they may even know where he is; someone may even file for divorce at some point or file for custody as well as child support.....
CT [/*]

Not the one jane posted. The one I posted. This one. http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

[Shimz]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
(snipped)

At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.

King County Sheriffs Office

[/*]

I know some may disagree... but to me it sounds like they think he left on his own... it sounds like they are going to assume that he walked unless something arises that says otherwise...

now.. unless they knew something, why wouldn't they assume that it was foul play until told otherwise...

that says to me that they know something they aren't teling...

JMO MOO

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That is the exact quote my question was why wasnt he listed as missing, on their site; because at that point he still was not listed and still isnt that I can tell.....

Could you please let me know why Nicolas Franciscos case is not listed on your site? I thought he was a missing person.

Thank you,

Answer:

At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.

King County Sheriffs Office

I'm not going to post the name of the contact that I contacted there; but I'm not shy and If I have a question, I write, and ask..
They answered and I wanted to share that with you all....the email came whilst I was at hosp; I hadnt checked my email....not in a totally straight frame of mind lol. BUT anyway; I thought more about what happened with the board, at insession when MaryBeth was gone, and how we all continued to keep her story and her case alive; and while we did so; her family refused to address the media or the public, it only caused more speculation and made things worse imo. All they had to say was clearly, she left, she walked away, ran away. So many of us didnt want to believe that; and for MONTHS we posted about her; thought of her; hoped for her, but more and more we looked toward her husband, of course because PPL dont just walk away.....BUT THEY DO. They do; and more often than most ppl realize.
CT [/*]

Thank you for answering, Cat Toy. You have a huge heart for the missing. And thank you for emailing and asking the Sheriff's Department. I'm glad they answered.

People do just walk away, that is true. Unbelievable but true.

I'm wondering if you emailed to this site? http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

I was trying to see all of the missing people listed but I can only see two. I find that odd.

If that is the site I do see where they say:

"Missing person cases are uniquely complicated. First, detectives must determine if a person is missing against their will. Another complication is that there is frequently a lack of evidence that points to a specific suspect. The Major Crimes Unit analyzes all missing persons and runaway reports. If the reviewer suspects foul play, the case is immediately assigned to a Major Crimes detective."

Based on this, maybe they don't have all of the evidence in that they need to make a determination that foul play was involved. I.E. the car. Have the forensics come back from that?

Just thoughts.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t
CT or anyone, is the link I posted for the website the correct one?

I did a search on their website. I typed in Nicholas Francisco and nothing about Nicholas shows up. Not even the news about his disappearance.

:confused: [/*]

The link I posted was to Washington State Missing Persons. Why is he on the State web site and not the county? Does not make sense. If King County does not believe he is missing then they should notify the State Site and have it removed.

Does King County ever take a missing person case seriously?

[n/t]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
YEs that's it; that is who I wrote to; several ppl handled my email req and then one of the answered, it was fwd thru a few hands first.

That's it n/t sorry. Hey NT you know what, that is a very good question I asked, what about all his ARTWORK, all his work? I'm sure as an artist he had books; sketches, etc....things like that that I know I have that I would never part with....:read:
What about all his artwork??? [/*]

I wanna know why the news of his disappearance doesn't appear anywhere on that site. I typed in Nicholas Francisco in the search and the news about his disappearance didn't even show up.

Very bizarre. Unless I did it wrong but I tried twice.

:shrug:

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by JustFacts


........... high maintenence. [/*]

My thoughts exactly.

[n/t]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


The link I posted was to Washington State Missing Persons. Why is he on the State web site and not the county? Does not make sense. If King County does not believe he is missing then they should notify the State Site and have it removed.

Does King County ever take a missing person case seriously? [/*]

I can't answer that. I don't work for them but like I said, I find it very bizarre that there is nothing on their website about Nicholas Francisco's disappearance. No news story. Nothing.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


........... If he did walk out and leave, I think that is wrong wrong wrong and he should contact her to at least make arrangements to see and support the kids. [/*]

maybe he has........

[n/t]

Another sleepless night thinking about this case. *sigh*

Nite all!

[Shelby1]

I'm off for tonight.

Thanks, everyone for your hard work today!


See you tomorrow. Maybe we'll have more answers.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by tulipmom
He had no idea he would have to deal with a crazed wife going on national tv to get back at him. Then when she allowed the children to be exposed to it also, when most people would be shielding the children from it. Maybe she thought surely that would get him. I think leaving the church only a few days before was also part of this larger picture. He knew it and she knew it. He was walking away. [/*]

I wonder if they did both know it....
if he was even sleeping at home at that point.
Maybe she said something like "If you don't come home tonight, i'm going to make your life miserable" and he was like "I'm so outta here!!!"
And if he was planning on leaving, then the whole sugar and cookie story was probably made up?
Or maybe he was going to come home and do that one last thing, but she made him so miserable or upset, that he didn't even come home for that?
Either way, i feel sooooo bad for his kids. :(
They don't deserve any of this.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by n/t


I can't answer that. I don't work for them but like I said, I find it very bizarre that there is nothing on their website about Nicholas Francisco's disappearance. No news story. Nothing. [/*]

I seem to remember reading about King County not taking adult missing persons seriously. Maybe they need to have a better system for finding people or even looking .

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by n/t


In my opinion, she knew all along. This is a marital separation gone bad.

If we take all the weird coincidences, inconsistencies and statements the pieces come together.

- several phone calls that day

- dead cell phone

- Resigning from church 2 days before

- Costco vs Safeway

- debts vs no debts

- no photos on her myspace

- anger vs distraught

- lack of heartfelt pleas to Nicholas.

- toast in toaster

- not attending vigils

and so on and so on.


He may be in a state of panic for all we know. [/*]

N/T ITA Now we're getting somewhere.

[moonlessnite]

I haven't posted in a while - been busy and not much new to say. But thanks for this info Cat. It really makes me think LE has contacted NF and NF has requested to stay missing. That is legal and LE cannot tell anyone if NF doesn't want them to.

I was also thinking about a post the other day I read. It was a link to a woman's blog, milnow? milhow?

anyway, she said that NF had been invited to an invitation only forum. that just reinforced the level of his online presence in my mind, and the level of privacy he had in that world. he had so many opportunities to meet someone that nobody else would have realized he would have known.

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That is the exact quote my question was why wasnt he listed as missing, on their site; because at that point he still was not listed and still isnt that I can tell.....

Could you please let me know why Nicolas Franciscos case is not listed on your site? I thought he was a missing person.

Thank you,

Answer:

At this point we have not determined that Nicholas Francisco’s disappearance was a result of foul play. So that’s why he is not on the web site.

King County Sheriffs Office

I'm not going to post the name of the contact that I contacted there; but I'm not shy and If I have a question, I write, and ask..
They answered and I wanted to share that with you all....the email came whilst I was at hosp; I hadnt checked my email....not in a totally straight frame of mind lol. BUT anyway; I thought more about what happened with the board, at insession when MaryBeth was gone, and how we all continued to keep her story and her case alive; and while we did so; her family refused to address the media or the public, it only caused more speculation and made things worse imo. All they had to say was clearly, she left, she walked away, ran away. So many of us didnt want to believe that; and for MONTHS we posted about her; thought of her; hoped for her, but more and more we looked toward her husband, of course because PPL dont just walk away.....BUT THEY DO. They do; and more often than most ppl realize.
CT [/*]

[mc528]

Originally posted by n/t
I just thought of something. Could Christine be saying that she believes he was murdered so LE would start looking for him eventhough there is nothing that would suggest foul play? [/*]


That fits with the theory of what I believe happened.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I wonder if they did both know it....
if he was even sleeping at home at that point.
Maybe she said something like "If you don't come home tonight, i'm going to make your life miserable" and he was like "I'm so outta here!!!"
And if he was planning on leaving, then the whole sugar and cookie story was probably made up?
Or maybe he was going to come home and do that one last thing, but she made him so miserable or upset, that he didn't even come home for that?
Either way, i feel sooooo bad for his kids. :(
They don't deserve any of this. [/*]

It seems we always have to go the it must be all Christine's fault.

I don't buy that one bit, it always take two. In my opinion if he just walked and left her and HIS babies to deal with all this confusion and let her be totally shredded like has happened he does not deserve forgiveness.

Plus by abandoning his family it will hard for him to get custody but maybe he is one of those that just does not care about the babies he caused to be brought into this world.

[moonlessnite]

that's the Washington state site, not King County's.

Originally posted by PerneciaJane
Regardless of what they said he is still listed as Missing on the King County Web Site.

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895 [/*]

[Musterion]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


My thoughts exactly. [/*]

Re: High Maintenance.

I'm wondering, Eddie and JustFacts, why you say that. Can either of you give me some tangible evidence that Christine is high maintenance, to use your words?

Trying hard to understand how you came to that conclusion.

And, no Eddie, regardless of how you view people who don't support all of your views, asking a question like this does not necessarily mean one is a member of any fan club. Assumptions are dangerous things sometimes. IMO.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Musterion


Re: High Maintenance.

I'm wondering, Eddie and JustFacts, why you say that. Can either of you give me some tangible evidence that Christine is high maintenance, to use your words?

Trying hard to understand how you came to that conclusion.

And, no Eddie, regardless of how you view people who don't support all of your views, asking a question like this does not necessarily mean one is a member of any fan club. Assumptions are dangerous things sometimes. IMO. [/*]

I would rather be a member of a fan club than a "bashers" club any day.

[figritout]

Cat Toy,
At this point do you think NF walked? I have always been leaning towards foul play. I am sorry If I am jumping in the end, or even middle here... I read the posts and don't reply much any more often as they cover the same ground, so I did not read the last pages on this post. Just wondering what your thoughts are?

[moonlessnite]

yah, I'm kinda at the point where I don't feel like this is any of my business anymore and he probably wants to be left alone. that would suck for the kids, but it happens. I probably wouldn't bother checking in if I didn't feel that something is wrong here. If he isn't missing, in the sense, MIA - no trace- there would be a lot to answer for if I was the wife...

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, I totally agree! His online activity as well as CFs really came into question for me; and I thought about this all weekend, as I prepared for this surgery and tried to think of other things...so I thought about this case, and this sad situation instead. And I thought long and hard...and then a few mintues ago when I check on my email I saw the response from LE, and had to share it. I would not ever post anything that is a lie, or a gaff, I've been here awhile too; and truly just want to know the truth in cases of truecrime. It's a very old passion of mine. That's what justice is all about, right? The Truth, and CF is going to have to search her heart long and hard for the answers, the Whys incredible as it seems.
Maybe NF will return to his home, there is always that small chance. From exp I will say, fight for what you love. :shrug: [/*]

[figritout]

I have one thought that bothers me.. If we are to trust LE that their is no sign of foul play, have we gotten any results from finger prints in a timely manner... Were we not told that, that was pending, waiting for the detective to get back from vacation? Did they check out CF and everything in her neighborhood when she called it in?

[moonlessnite]

i missed that. she said she didn't want to work on her site? which one? that's poignant if you ask me...

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I called it mamma drama I thnk, she was very dramatic, her personality. That can be; high maintenence. She seemed to come off as needy and demanding, to me in a sense. She took money from the public. We sympathized with her, that her husband met with foul play and was harmed, and she was the victim here. Marital discord is a whole other ball of wax, and an honest person would not askt the public for help; she isnt helpless is she? She doesnt appear to be; but maybe the SAHM wasnt an agreed upon arrangement, maybe the $$ pressure and reality of a third child were just too much to bear? Was this child planned? Who knows, that is a lot for a young couple with one income, and a faling online endevor....and that is a fact. One we have all verified online; that she didnt want to work. she said so on her site.
So there are a few high maintenance issues right there.....lots of
"drama" I say....
Very High Key.. High strung however you want to put it? I'm trying to be nice here, help me out Eddie. :D [/*]

[Musterion]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


:seeya: Hi there Must; thank you I have read your responses here on this thread....and yes i think the key word here is "against their will" and when that cannot be established, they are not determined to be in fact "missing" in the eyes of LE?
That's what I get anyway. Yes, I will write to LE, I've done this in a few cases and usually they answer quite honestly. I keep it short and simple. I remember that I wrote to the lead Inv in the baby grace case because they were so frustrated....he sent me a heartfelt reply.
I do have a soft spot for the missing. I've gone missing, in life, and I've had someone I love "go missing" as well. But upon closer inspection, it was clear, that this person actually up and left. It was very sad, but I must say I didnt sit back on my laurels like helpless person and ask for donations....I paid up my rent and searched and searched until all of the leads thru friends who helped panned out. Well, that's the gist of it, it hurts to have someone leave you. Sometimes ppl go about this in the most hurtful way, and for them, it's the easy way out. It appears that NF may have taken the easy way out. I've given much thought to this, and hopefully his wife isnt like Mel McGuire and my instincts about her are wrong. I'm sad to write that there is some reason that NF left her; then. And maybe some of those reasons are what we've been writing about these past few weeks, painful as that reality may be.

I say to CF, suck it up, pound the pavement, find your spouse by getting in everyone's face at work that he was involved with......and that will most likely lead you to your husband. dont use the pity potty and ask the public for money, take care of your kids, the way most of us do, on our own. File for welfare if you have to; you're resourceful and educated. That may sound harsh, but someone has to say it........... [/*]

Cat,

Your experiences make me want to cry. I'm so sorry. You're a survivor and you should be proud of that.

I think you are a good advocate for the missing and I would want you on my team if something happened to someone in my family.

Hugs,
Musterion

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by n/t
I just thought of something. Could Christine be saying that she believes he was murdered so LE would start looking for him eventhough there is nothing that would suggest foul play? [/*]

Or could he have really planned on leaving and all signs pointed to that....
then "something happened" cuz there is no way she would let people believe her husband would have left her?
I have no idea why she would make the comments she has made about him being "murdered", there being "no trace of him left" or him being "near water" if it's true that she does know he actually left?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by soyesterday


Or could he have really planned on leaving and all signs pointed to that....
then "something happened" cuz there is no way she would let people believe her husband would have left her?
I have no idea why she would make the comments she has made about him being "murdered", there being "no trace of him left" or him being "near water" if it's true that she does know he actually left? [/*]

I just don't believe she knew. No one in their right mind would have put up with being criticized the way she has been on these boards. If she knew I really believe she would have dropped the whole matter weeks ago.

[kpb]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I'm sorry and I'm not being cruel but that's what I saw after reading all the posts online, watching the interviews and her behavior with her kid rolling around on the couch. Well, for me that was just sad...:shrug:
But also disturbing. [/*]

No you're not being cruel!

The wife's actions raise red flags for a lot of people. Most of us don't actually know her, so this behavior could very well be just be how she is.

I have a distant friend from high school that I can totally see acting just like this if her husband was missing. Even though she would miss her husband, I guarantee you ALL THE FOCUS would still be on her. It's really perplexing!

But then again... she may just know something others don't know and she is just angry. If I knew my husband left me I would first be crushed, but then I imagine the anger would kick in.

Obviously I've not made up my mind about anything! :D
I don't even know what to think anymore! I hope NF is safe and I really do hope that he ends back with his wife and kids. Problems can be worked out. :rose:

ALL MOO and MHO and all that jazz!

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, after the email from LE and thinking long and hard about his car keys being gone and his car being found....at first I really had some hardcore gut level feelings that he met with harm but at home; and I mean that.
But the more I look at the whole situation, the preganancy, her behavior, the asking for money, even from his employer, still paying his wages while he was gone? wow. Nice employer.
I did not believe her story of the cookies, etc....but I'm leaning more towards him walking away. No body or sign has surfaced of foul play. He hasnt been found, dead or alive. His family is silent.
His wife is not; and claims he would never walk away. Yet, there is no weekly vigil no search ongoing for him; nothing. We are seeing nothing happening at all, on all fronts. I think he walked.
Maybe I would hope that he walked, instead of thinking that his spouse killed him. For me maybe that is the kinder, easier way? [/*]

Yes, I have admitted myself, to waffling.. Is she involved etc. The thing about LE though is that every morning I get up listen to the news and there is so much going on in this area, that have tangible leads. Gun fights, deaths.. I wonder if they are just dropping it without enough investigation.. Then I vascillate to the other side.. CF, she may be a great person? I don't know? I do know that what I have seen of her does not give me the warm fuzzies.. I actually want to run at times.. I asked my mom what she thought, realize she doesn't usually really pay attention. But she surprised me and said in my words translated from hers that CF is high maintenance.. It's just so hard to figure out.. My husband would never have the option to "shield me from our debt" as we are a team.. So I can't explore that angle.
I appreciate your work to continue to explore this, I myself have become really disouraged, and I feel, unfortulately sometimes I take my emotions out on folks here.. So I am staying towards the background.

[tulipmom]

I realize there is no defined way to act during tragedy but most of us have seen enough examples to know CF is way out there. As I said prior... those that bark the loudest. You know when you were young and your mom would ask a who dunnit type of question? Or the school teacher would? They then automatically assumed the first one to say " I didn't " was the guilty one. CF has just been far too outspoken and angry even though she opened the can of worms. It is all sad. Yet I think she knew weeks ago that he left her. I just wish his mom & sisters would make it known if he has contacted them. They might be too embarrased though. Or protecting him from her!

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, on her Etsy site it was the first line in her personal profile, "I like to be a stay at home mom" She liked to be home. That line can be entp many different ways, but I took it to mean, this one doesnt wanna work. And she didnt. she wanted to be a SAHM, but really in actuality could they afford to do that??? IT appears no; and could you imagine the pressure, to pay for everything INCLUDING her online hobby that wasnt bringing in much income at all. :shrug: That to me speaks volumes; hey everyone would like to stay home at some point in life, right? I stay hm now because I'm ill, not because I want to for sure, but it has it's advantages, never having to set an alarm...not having to work....being able to live and be comfortable...I dont have kids to support am past that..so I can
DO THAT.
But with THREE KIDS; how could you really, usually today, it takes two incomes and I keep coming back to how important that really is, I mean, did they have family help with money? How did they survive on his income alone? Must have been tight. Had to have been, and maybe that was the issue. Maybe NF didnt want to have a SAHM, we dont know. All I know is what I read on her facebook and etsy sites, some of it was copied and pasted and saved. Because if he turns up dead at some point, what she wrote could be important. For her sake lets hope he walked.
I noticed one thing, that I thought was telling as well. She was often online late into the night 1 am 2am etc. Those were the times on some of her posts. With two kids? Up online at that hour, when your husband works all day? WHY?
CT [/*]

OK had to add this.. She is a SAHM who is online what appears to be 24/7? And what's worse, even after her husband went missing?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
And him needing to be "uncovered" lets not forget that.
I will call them Freudian slips. I hope I'm wrong, because a lot of her statements were what really bothered me.
Anyone here that knows me knows, I will tear apart words on an interview, subtle clues and patterns that just dont seem "right" and body language. And she had my hinky meter up. And I mean that; she really did. Those are disturbing things to say about your loved one, and in most aspects, they are inappropriate as well, if he is in fact just "missing"
There is no trace of him left.......well are his clothes gone or not and why hasnt his family been to that flat and verified, yes there are his shoes, and clothes, or YEP everything is gone and she is lying and something isnt right here.....etc
We just dont know. I want to reiterate that I caught all of those, because I do believe that your words will hang you if you are lying. Period, no matter what the issue is, your words, will hang you up at some point if you are lying.
CT [/*]

I agree!
He better be ok!!!!
I would rather be able to be mad at him for leaving then mad at her for killing him!

[tulipmom]

CF has had many Freudian slips!

[kpb]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, on her Etsy site it was the first line in her personal profile, "I like to be a stay at home mom" She liked to be home. That line can be entp many different ways, but I took it to mean, this one doesnt wanna work. And she didnt. she wanted to be a SAHM, but really in actuality could they afford to do that??? IT appears no; and could you imagine the pressure, to pay for everything INCLUDING her online hobby that wasnt bringing in much income at all. :shrug: That to me speaks volumes; hey everyone would like to stay home at some point in life, right? I stay hm now because I'm ill, not because I want to for sure, but it has it's advantages, never having to set an alarm...not having to work....being able to live and be comfortable...I dont have kids to support am past that..so I can
DO THAT.
But with THREE KIDS; how could you really, usually today, it takes two incomes and I keep coming back to how important that really is, I mean, did they have family help with money? How did they survive on his income alone? Must have been tight. Had to have been, and maybe that was the issue. Maybe NF didnt want to have a SAHM, we dont know. All I know is what I read on her facebook and etsy sites, some of it was copied and pasted and saved. Because if he turns up dead at some point, what she wrote could be important. For her sake lets hope he walked.
I noticed one thing, that I thought was telling as well. She was often online late into the night 1 am 2am etc. Those were the times on some of her posts. With two kids? Up online at that hour, when your husband works all day? WHY?
CT [/*]

You sure do bring up a lot of interesting points! Really makes you say hmmmm! :beer:

A few days back you mentioned something about poking handsome men... could these be possibly friends she was telling her husband was missing? Or could you see what was written?

I've never been on Facebook, so not sure.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hey dont do that you should write what you thnk, without quesiton always! This is the first time in this case that I've been willing to go there and hope that she isnt involved, there is something about her that really made me think that he did come home that night....and considering how most spousal murders happen, a fight takes place, and it gets ugly and someone hurts someone...and then WHAM they are "missing"
We see it all so much; on tv, in the news, usually with women.....
not with men. Except for Bill McGuire; and had he not washed up Mel would have most likely gotten away with her dirty deed. Ppl can be so ugly. I dont want to think the worst of someone....I dont but I cant help it when I watch an interview and I see things that make my hair rise on my arms....it's instinct.

I hope that LE isnt just dropping the ball on his case, I really hope that's not the case. I know how often it seems that years later, it takes years for some of these cases to come to fruition, esp murder cases. But along the way these spouses that take this route, always screw up at some point. They talk too much, or they protest too much or they draw attention to themselves, in a way that a good investigator might notice and say Hmmmm
That's just not "right" and there you have it.

We do not know if he came home from work that night. And that will always bother me. But because of the familys silence and lack of vigils and constant media attention, or questions or demanding that something be "done".........I have to believe they know something that I dont. [/*]

Well said.. Thank you..

Things that I have thought at times but let go by the wayside.. I've said before I thought the church or work had something to do with this. But truly if I factor in CFs behavior, that is when I think, he walked. I just could, myself, not deal with her based on what I have seen in interviews, on websites.. I just couldn't. I would not want to go home and I actually have a hard time watching the interviews and reading her comments.. Which I have mentioned before.. Just blows my mind..

[Pam]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I agree!
He better be ok!!!!
I would rather be able to be mad at him for leaving then mad at her for killing him! [/*]

I am so with you on this!! I don't like where my imagination takes me at times on this case!

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


I totally agree, that we all noticed some disturbing things in her videos. Add that up with asking for money from the public....and his employer, the facts painted a totally different picture than she did.

See you soon, I'll hope each day that he contacts someone to say he's alive and just couldnt take the pressures of life......
:rose: [/*]

Me too my friend, take care out there, and again thank you for the insight.. I hope to have the experience one day, to say it like it is, to say it right (so I don't get banned).. LOL Hopefully tomorrow will bring some answers..

[Pam]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Just popping by to share why I suspect Christine....something I haven't really delved into before.

Several years ago my 18 year old son left home to wash his car one morning and never came back. He had told me his plan was to wash his car, come home and change clothes to go to work. He had worked at the same place for about a year and was very reliable. He had just graduated high school and had a bright future. He had been through some challening times and we knew things weren't perfect but when his work called later that day to say he hadn't come in, I was terrified. He had never done anything like this before.

We (his dad and I) retraced all his steps, called every friend we knew, drove his route to work several times....nothing, nada.
Finally we contacted the police. For a smaller town, they were awesome. Immediately they went to work....we worked together, the investigators and us. We traced every call he had made, they tracked places he had been before, bank records, debit cards, everything. They had detectives here several times a day and they called continuously, back and forth, with us calling them too....giving them anything at all we thought might be something they could use. We found some scary connections and the cops were honest....he might be in some serious trouble.
I asked them, "Do you think he's alive?" They said they really didn't know but things were not looking so good for him.

Several days later, they found him. In a very undesirable and dangerous place but alive (not well, but alive). They went in with tasers and guns loaded and got him home to us. It was a miracle for us. Of course, he was never really the same after this event--neither were we but just so happy that he was found and we have a chance to keep on living.

I'm saying all this to share that Christine knows much more than she is alluding to, my friends. Every piece of her life should have been sifted through...interviews done, over and over with any and all facts and ideas. Bank records, phone records, family and friend interviews, work interviews, home computers checked and rechecked, web sites checked, his work path to and from driven over several times.....these detectives are pretty amazing. If they had any clue that foul play was involved, we'd probably know it.

I think he walked, and I think they think he walked, and I think Christine knows he walked.....
and that's about it. My prayers are with them....been there, done that.:( [/*]

Wow, Sherry, what a scary thing to go through! I'm so glad that your son was found and is now safe and sound!

I think that CF knows a lot more than she's saying. CT pretty much sums up a lot of what I'd like to say, but get too distracted, as far as spoken words and actions. She really raised my 'suspicious meter' alot with the interviews and online postings.

JMO, IMO, MOO, etc, etc.....

[desmom]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


The link I posted was to Washington State Missing Persons. Why is he on the State web site and not the county? Does not make sense. If King County does not believe he is missing then they should notify the State Site and have it removed.

Does King County ever take a missing person case seriously? [/*]

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895 is part of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs website. Here is their home page http://www.waspc.org/index.php

From the Help Button @ http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0002895

"This page shows information about a missing person in our database.

The report type shows what type of police report was filed on this person....."

In the FAQ on the same page it says to contact the agency listed to add photos and/or correct info.

IMO, this is not an official "missing person" site, but a service the WASPC offers as part of their site.

jmo

[Oregongal]

Cat Toy,
Bring out your hoover and clean your box out.
:seeya:

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Could she be saying it because she believes it? [/*]

Or could she be saying it so every one else believes it? Or does she KNOW that there was foul play?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Pam


Wow, Sherry, what a scary thing to go through! I'm so glad that your son was found and is now safe and sound!

I think that CF knows a lot more than she's saying. CT pretty much sums up a lot of what I'd like to say, but get too distracted, as far as spoken words and actions. She really raised my 'suspicious meter' alot with the interviews and online postings.

JMO, IMO, MOO, etc, etc..... [/*]

Something came to mind when I was playing catch up tonight...

What if they had been having marital problems for sometime? Maybe even talk of a separation. Maybe NF told CF he would give her time to find a job before he left. Then she surprised NF on his 28th birthday with 'we are pregnant'.

NF maybe stewed about the entire situation for a couple of weeks. Maybe he told her he had 2 paychecks coming and he would leave her his car to sell. That would get her through 6-8 weeks if she budgeted.

If his family are strict Catholics, a divorce would not set well. Could explain why he did not contact his family when he left.

CF would not be the first woman to try to hold on to a man with a surprise pregnancy.


I know a lot of maybes........

jmo

[mc528]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
LOL OK, I'm trying to post the facebook links on the links page......and some info and answer all these PMs lol
This is on her facebook about herself:

those who say i talk to much usually aren't listening to what I am really saying" - Christine Francisco
About Me: well one person summed it up quite well "you don't meet Christine, you experience her". I now also use that to describe my daughter!

"those who say i talk to much usually aren't listening to what I am really saying"

Nicolas's seems to be locked, you can send him a message and I did on March 13. He has not logged in to receive it per the facebook auto message.....tonight. I posted it also. [/*]

Thanks CAT. When did CF join FaceBook and add that information about herself? Was it recently created, or has it been up for awhile?

[Pam]

Originally posted by desmom


Something came to mind when I was playing catch up tonight...

What if they had been having marital problems for sometime? Maybe even talk of a separation. Maybe NF told CF he would give her time to find a job before he left. Then she surprised NF on his 28th birthday with 'we are pregnant'.

NF maybe stewed about the entire situation for a couple of weeks. Maybe he told her he had 2 paychecks coming and he would leave her his car to sell. That would get her through 6-8 weeks if she budgeted.

If his family are strict Catholics, a divorce would not set well. Could explain why he did not contact his family when he left.

CF would not be the first woman to try to hold on to a man with a surprise pregnancy.


I know a lot of maybes........

jmo [/*]

I think I mentioned something like this...about the "surprise" pregnancy awhile back. As you said...it wouldn't be the first time that a woman had used this to try to hold a man or a relationship.

Or maybe she isn't really pregnant, just saying she is, to hold him. (hence, the felt the baby move at 7 weeks....)

Just an off the wall thought :shrug:

[greeneyez78]

The missing persons link on the sisters church website is now gone as well. Here is the link to his page that her church posted.

http://www.stanthonysforestgrove.org/nicholas_francisco.htm

if you look at a cached version of the church's homepage the photo and link show up but if you click on it, it goes to page not found.

Also the sisters homepage her fav links and and photos are private, also if you try to go to her livejournal blog, it has now been deleted. I am thinking IMOO....that quite a few people in his life probably know where he is and don't want some other people to know............

[desmom]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Oh, BTW desmom....congrats on being a Senior Member!!:beer: [/*]

Thank you. I didn't even notice. :beer:

[desmom]

Originally posted by greeneyez78
The missing persons link on the sisters church website is now gone as well. Here is the link to his page that her church posted.

http://www.stanthonysforestgrove.org/nicholas_francisco.htm

if you look at a cached version of the church's homepage the photo and link show up but if you click on it, it goes to page not found.

Also the sisters homepage her fav links and and photos are private, also if you try to go to her livejournal blog, it has now been deleted. I am thinking IMOO....that quite a few people in his life probably know where he is and don't want some other people to know............ [/*]

Thanks.

Google's cache was retrieved on Mar 12, 2008 has NF's photo, but link doesn't work. March 12 was a week ago tomorrow (Wednesday).

[tulipmom]

It has been posted many places that she is due in Oct. ( the reporter recently got the date wrong when it was stated Aug. ) since she is due in Oct. - SO- she would NOT have been even 7 weeks when she said she felt the baby move, correct? Wouldn't she just now be approaching 7-8 weeks if due in Oct.? She first made that statement a month ago?

[desmom]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
This has probably been addressed already and I missed it but if Nic's mom and sisters find out where he is....or if LE finds him safe and sound, do they have to release that info to the public? I don't think they do but I was just wondering.

If LE found Nicholas and he asked not to have it revealed, then they might just let it go....would they tell Christine? [/*]

I think LE would tell the family he is safe, but he does not want his whereabouts revealed. As for the public, I don't think LE has to tell the public anything.

jmo

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


wow, greeneyez, that pretty amazing info. I think you're right...if the sisters didn't know if Nic was a victim of foul play or not, I think the church link would have remained in place-at least for a while longer. [/*]

He is still on the prayer page with a link to the findnicholasfrancisco.com

[tulipmom]

Now that it has been removed from the sister's church site. You know how it is. There have to be tons of people that actually know this family and extended family in real life. So someone asks the sister about her brother and she quietly explains that actually... this is how it is. So then that person tells another or someone goes online on some site and posts stuff.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
This has probably been addressed already and I missed it but if Nic's mom and sisters find out where he is....or if LE finds him safe and sound, do they have to release that info to the public? I don't think they do but I was just wondering.

If LE found Nicholas and he asked not to have it revealed, then they might just let it go....would they tell Christine? [/*]

Sherry, they do not have to tell anyone if he has asked them not to. Which to me says they don't even have to tell Christine.

[desmom]

Originally posted by tulipmom
It has been posted many places that she is due in Oct. ( the reporter recently got the date wrong when it was stated Aug. ) since she is due in Oct. - SO- she would NOT have been even 7 weeks when she said she felt the baby move, correct? Wouldn't she just now be approaching 7-8 weeks if due in Oct.? She first made that statement a month ago? [/*]

On March 8, Seattle Times reported she was 2 months pregnant
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

[tulipmom]

Wasn't it NF's mom that referred to CF as " the wife " and did not call her by her name? Guess that was in the one and only interview his mom did?

[tulipmom]

That's why it would have been next to impossible for her to feel her baby move in early Feb. if she was not even 2 months pregnant until March!

[desmom]

Originally posted by tulipmom
That's why it would have been next to impossible for her to feel her baby move in early Feb. if she was not even 2 months pregnant until March! [/*]

Bingo!

To answer your other post...I do believe it was NF's mother that called CF "the wife".


Night All! Hope tomorrow brings good news....

:rose:

[greeneyez78]

Yes there is still 2 sentences about him missing on the prayer request page, and it was posted on Feb 25th, could be one they forgot to take down, considering someone emailed and requested it to be put on there.

I think it is very telling the page they had made for him is gone, his photo and stuff that was at the top of every one of their pages is gone.

JMO, OMO

[greeneyez78]

IMO yes I believe someone would just leave it all behind if they were fed up with enough. Sometimes people will leave everything behind just to get out without confrontation.

IMO again, If he will leave without his kids, he wouldn't have a problem leaving without his art.

[isitme]

Here is something I have been wondering. I don't have the answer. Maybe it is nothing but what if CF was advised to take the pictures of NF down and close some of the web sites? Perhaps advised by LE as it related some how to the investigation????

:shrug: :confused:

[Pam]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Ack is right, hey did anyone notice that on Kaunos favorites, Nicholas's online store, all his favorites were women in the seattle area, some other states, but all women. That speaks loudly to me as a wife.
No other art listed as favorites, no guys just women.

CT

http://www.etsy.com/favorite_sellers_public.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]

Sorry CT, but on page 2 of his faves is a shop that is "guy" owned ;)

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
This has probably been addressed already and I missed it but if Nic's mom and sisters find out where he is....or if LE finds him safe and sound, do they have to release that info to the public? I don't think they do but I was just wondering.

If LE found Nicholas and he asked not to have it revealed, then they might just let it go....would they tell Christine? [/*]

This is a general FYI, I'm just using your post to quote....

According to LE they are still looking for Nicholas, the case is not over. They have not been able to determine if his missing is due to foul play or other circumstances. The case will remain open for as long as it takes. If they find that he has indeed walked away they will tell Christine, but if he doesn't want her to know where he is they will not give her that information. They will also release a statement to the press if that is the case.

So I don't get blasted again for providing information..

Yes this is fact and yes it has been verified.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


This is a general FYI, I'm just using your post to quote....

According to LE they are still looking for Nicholas, the case is not over. They have not been able to determine if his missing is due to foul play or other circumstances. The case will remain open for as long as it takes. If they find that he has indeed walked away they will tell Christine, but if he doesn't want her to know where he is they will not give her that information. They will also release a statement to the press if that is the case.

So I don't get blasted again for providing information..

Yes this is fact and yes it has been verified. [/*]

Thank You, Harlett

[invreporter1105]

Well, it took me an hour and a half to catch up after arriving home from work. I do feel that I need to clarify some things about myself, so here goes...

I registered my screen name last year when I first came to this site. I work in healthcare, but in my spare time I do research and investigations. This is the third case I have worked on. First there was the Michael Devlin kidnapping case, then came the Arlin Henderson kidnapping case, and now the Nicholas Francisco case.

Although I have received many requests for public media interviews, including Court TV and 48 Hours Investigates, I choose to do this annonymously.

My goal in working on these cases is to find things that LE or other investigators may be missing. In no way do I receive any financial compensation for this.

I did agree to one media interview last year which appeared in the Sunday edition of many newspapers around the US.

I hope this clarifies everything.

Thanks.

[BobbisAngel]

Thanks Harlett....it is good to know that LE haven't just written Nick off. Just because LE hasn't found any sign of foul play doesn't really mean a thing. There are tons of missing people that LE didn't find any trace of foul play yet they have never shown up anywhere. Maybe some walked but I doubt that they all did. He is still missing...without a trace.

I'm just not into putting the blame on Christine in any way. Until LE has proof that she has done something wrong I will support her. I'm sure that she has been checked out in every way by LE. Isn't it the spouse that they look at first.

I have a hard time believing that Nick walked out on his family. It doesn't make sense that he would just leave his car parked somewhere. Why would he get rid of his car? Even if he knew that LE was looking for him and he got stopped he would only have to show them his license and say that he left on his own.

If he did walk out then in my book he isn't much of a man. He is a coward. A coward runs instead of doing it the right way. A man lets his wife know what is happening. He takes his belongings with him and doesn't leave them at home for her to deal with. A coward leaves his children without a backward glance. I agree with Christine. I don't think Nick is a coward.

[filesmanwife]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, on her Etsy site it was the first line in her personal profile, "I like to be a stay at home mom" She liked to be home. That line can be entp many different ways, but I took it to mean, this one doesnt wanna work. And she didnt. she wanted to be a SAHM, but really in actuality could they afford to do that??? IT appears no; and could you imagine the pressure, to pay for everything INCLUDING her online hobby that wasnt bringing in much income at all. :shrug: That to me speaks volumes; hey everyone would like to stay home at some point in life, right? I stay hm now because I'm ill, not because I want to for sure, but it has it's advantages, never having to set an alarm...not having to work....being able to live and be comfortable...I dont have kids to support am past that..so I can
DO THAT.
But with THREE KIDS; how could you really, usually today, it takes two incomes and I keep coming back to how important that really is, I mean, did they have family help with money? How did they survive on his income alone? Must have been tight. Had to have been, and maybe that was the issue. Maybe NF didnt want to have a SAHM, we dont know. All I know is what I read on her facebook and etsy sites, some of it was copied and pasted and saved. Because if he turns up dead at some point, what she wrote could be important. For her sake lets hope he walked.
I noticed one thing, that I thought was telling as well. She was often online late into the night 1 am 2am etc. Those were the times on some of her posts. With two kids? Up online at that hour, when your husband works all day? WHY?

CT [/*]



I have lurking quit a while and I go back and forth between the the two ideas that he left and that something happened. When the posters started to work the SAHM angle and saying it was "not woking'. Let me clue you in on my and (many of my frieds situation) my dh met in college, I had all intents and purposes of being a career women and mom "having it all as they say. first child and 2 jobs transfers later - still working and happy..... Paying big bucks for day care - (at this point and time me and dh still earning same pay) 2nd child and another job transfer (we agreed that 1. I really couldn't further my career by continually quitting jobs everytime hubby transferred and most of my salary now would go to day care.. ff to 4 kids and more transfers, my hubby has more than doubled our salary when we started. In my taking care of homefront he has been able to focus on work... It has not been easy for either and was at first very hard financially (we lost 1/2 income). I also have a job at home which brings in $500 a month with little overhead (webconsultant).

I guess the point being is focusing on her being a sahm, takes away from look for nf.

It also concerns me that neither one of their families seems to be rallying around her. I know in that situation. My house would be full of people to help me and watch my kids while I pounded on every door I could..

I would also want to be pounding the pavement and getting his family involved because if that sob left me, he would be paying support. Pride is nothing compared to the welfare of my kids.....

jmho