Monday 03-17-08 a.m.

[donna]

GB, so glad you are back with us!
Prayers are going your way for your daughter and all of you.

:rose:

[martha]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
I can't get over the difference between the home prior to sale and when the Laureans had it. Difference like night and day, IMO. [/*] ITA it did not look like the same house. GB I am so sorry to hear about your daughter and I will pray for her and you too. I know how hard it is on the mother to have her daughter so very sick. She is so very blessed to have you for a mother. Wish this sick guy was caught by now. I think I want to read the at but can;t find it.:rose:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling
quote:
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Originally posted by nuttintodo
Here is the links to the pictures:

~snipped[/*]
Absolutely great nuttin, thanks so much. From looking at the house diagrams on the property records, the garage is only 12 ft. wide. [/*]

Ivy, can you break out the picture of those chairs when they were sitting in the driveway?

I would love to see if they are the same too.

[donna]

Standing ovation for nuttin! Thank you for the links to the house pics!

You have brought a wealth of information to this board! Also thanks for the local pics you took!


:rose:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


YEAH Ocean is back with us!!

Please keep us updated as to your daughter's progress. I certainly hope she doesn't get MRSA from those dog bites!! Is the hospital doing any better about see her or is it about the same?

And where is the offending dog?

I sympathize with you on the keyboard! I remember when I got my new 'puter, it took me a while to get use to the smaller keyboard too. [/*]

We had her there at 7am this morning and they finally got to her about noon.:(

But it took them about 8 hours before they closed her leg wounds up Saturday. That is why we are sort of worried about infection because the gaping wounds were exposed for so long before they worked on her to even clean them up.

And oh yeah...........they had her on "Fast Track"......I guess it would have taken twice as long on the "regular track."

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Ivy, can you break out the picture of those chairs when they were sitting in the driveway?

I would love to see if they are the same too. [/*]
They're different one's from the photo which had heart shaped backs.

Here's what was at Laurean home.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2lwrhn4.jpg

[martha]

Thanks Sami I am going to try to read it may not make it all :rose:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Sami

Thank you, nuttin!

So, ceramic tile everywhere but the bedroom and master bath, perhaps?

Even if she fell in the living room, that floor would really be hard, imo. [/*]

Yes a fall on ceramic would be hard! I have fallen several times on my tiled floor and it hurt like heck and for a while I toted the bruises from hitting the floor. OUCH.

Now I can't tell about the transistion from the BR to the Bath room but it appears to be carpeting.

And I agree with everyone, the house LOOKED so much better before the Laurean's bought it. The grass was green and lush and just overall the house looks as though it was better maintained by the previous owners.

I got a chill when I saw the picture of the backyard too!

JMO

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


You have the house diagrams? Will you share? [/*]
Sure will
http://i30.tinypic.com/e9vzae.jpg

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
I can't get over the difference between the home prior to sale and when the Laureans had it. Difference like night and day, IMO. [/*]

I thought the same thing. And that's even taking into account that the police had been through the house before those pictures were taken that we saw.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by martha
ITA it did not look like the same house. GB I am so sorry to hear about your daughter and I will pray for her and you too. I know how hard it is on the mother to have her daughter so very sick. She is so very blessed to have you for a mother. Wish this sick guy was caught by now. I think I want to read the at but can;t find it.:rose: [/*]

Thank you, Martha.

Well she has a wonderful, caring father too. He was right by our sides every step of the way. He loves his children deeply and sometimes daddies can convince everyone that things are going to be okay. He is our rock and we lean on him at times like this.

I wish Laurean was caught too Martha but I have no doubt justice will come for Maria and Gabriel. We must hold onto that belief.

imoo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes a fall on ceramic would be hard! I have fallen several times on my tiled floor and it hurt like heck and for a while I toted the bruises from hitting the floor. OUCH.

Now I can't tell about the transistion from the BR to the Bath room but it appears to be carpeting.

And I agree with everyone, the house LOOKED so much better before the Laurean's bought it. The grass was green and lush and just overall the house looks as though it was better maintained by the previous owners.

I got a chill when I saw the picture of the backyard too!

JMO [/*]
The pror owners didn't had a rug either :)

In this shot nuttin marked fireplace, there isn't one. Such an odd photo huh?
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a...defireplace.jpg

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by IvySterling

They're different one's from the photo which had heart shaped backs.

Here's what was at Laurean home.
http://i30.tinypic.com/2lwrhn4.jpg [/*]

Oh, ok, thank you!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


We had her there at 7am this morning and they finally got to her about noon.:(

But it took them about 8 hours before they closed her leg wounds up Saturday. That is why we are sort of worried about infection because the gaping wounds were exposed for so long before they worked on her to even clean them up.

And oh yeah...........they had her on "Fast Track"......I guess it would have taken twice as long on the "regular track."

imoo [/*]

That sounds like our local hospital too! Fast track my $$$!

No other medical facility she can go to?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I think GB will be making a GRAND entrance shortly. She ended up getting a new computer.

Now who would like to see pictures of the inside of the Laurean home prior to their purchase? I acquired these pictures and I will not reveal my source as I promised I wouldn't jeopardize their license.

JMO

PS I got an email from Rick Sutherland today. I'll go make a new thread with his response. I think you all will be tickled at one thing he said.

JMO [/*]

Me, me, me....<raises hand frantically> I wanna see the photos before they bought the house. Want me to pm you an email address of can you send the link.

(Noting that I just saw this post, I haven't had time to read thru the thread to see if you've already posted them).

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Me, me, me....<raises hand frantically> I wanna see the photos before they bought the house. Want me to pm you an email address of can you send the link.

(Noting that I just saw this post, I haven't had time to read thru the thread to see if you've already posted them). [/*]

It's upthread Cryme! But if you want, I can send you the link to my photobucket.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Silly me, that isn't a fireplace. I was hurriedly trying to get the pics uploaded and just assumed it was! Know what happens when we assume!

TY Ivy and the house does have one, it's in the listing. [/*]
LOL, no biggie, I thought someone else had labeled the pics.

I'm guessing someone alot older than the Laurean's owned that house when the photos were taken. Most couples in the their early 20's especially in the Military would not be able to furnish it as such due to income/other.

I'm also thinking those photos of the yard where taken during the good months, not the dormant months when I look at the lawn.

The layout of the inside of house looks much like some in a track not far from me.

[donna]

I think the real truth is going to be bits and pieces of all of the theories posted. All of the theories are good.
I have a theory that I am not ready to post on the board yet.

The landline and cell phone records are something we are not privy to and will play a tremendous part in this. The computer findings with the directions are also something that we will not know. Maria had looked up directions on Durham's computer, IIRC.

The last time CAL went home on leave, he could have had a talk with his family concerning the situation he was in. He had already made remarks to his buds that he would go to Mexico if it seemed as if he would be convicted of rape. Maybe contingency plans were discussed while he was on leave? CAL's parents seem to have separated at some point. I wonder when that was and if CAL's Dad went back to Mexico? I see from the board here that the Dad has not paid his ticket yet. When a ticket comes up in traffic court and the person is not there, depending on the severity of the ticket, the judge can issue a bench warrant for that person. I wonder if there is a warrant out for the Dad.

All in all, I honestly believe that it is a part of CAL's family helping him.

[IvySterling]

Do we know the Salvador Laurean ticket was in fact his dad?

Sorry if I missed it donna. Sometimes I think I've read each post and must not have :(

[donna]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Do we know the Salvador Laurean ticket was in fact his dad?

Sorry if I missed it donna. Sometimes I think I've read each post and must not have :( [/*]

I thought it was shown by a link that it was him and in Las Vegas!

[donna]

Originally posted by Sami


Well, the truck was in the Dad's name. . . .

Not that I'm hoping this would happen, since I do feel sorry for the parents, but if LE arrested Cesar's Dad on a Bench Warrant, I wonder if that would flush out Cesar. Or maybe make some of the family talk. [/*]

:shrug:

I wish something would happen that would flush him out!

LE would have to maybe stop his Dad on a routine traffic stop first or he committ some other offense in order for LE to find out that there may be a traffic bench warrant out for him. LE is so busy that traffic warrants are not high on their priority list.

IIRC, I had read here on the board that CAL's Dad had an unpaid ticket. I will just have to MOO all of this as I do not have a link but will go back and look for the post.

:)

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by Sami


Well, the truck was in the Dad's name. . . .

Not that I'm hoping this would happen, since I do feel sorry for the parents, but if LE arrested Cesar's Dad on a Bench Warrant, I wonder if that would flush out Cesar. Or maybe make some of the family talk. [/*]

Sami...I read here every day and still managed to miss that CL's parents are no longer together! Do you know if the split is recent?
TIA

[Janz]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


We had her there at 7am this morning and they finally got to her about noon.:(

But it took them about 8 hours before they closed her leg wounds up Saturday. That is why we are sort of worried about infection because the gaping wounds were exposed for so long before they worked on her to even clean them up.

And oh yeah...........they had her on "Fast Track"......I guess it would have taken twice as long on the "regular track."

imoo [/*]

GB, So very sorry about your daughter. I am sending prayers and good vibes your way. :)

[donna]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Sami...I read here every day and still managed to miss that CL's parents are no longer together! Do you know if the split is recent?
TIA [/*]

I am not Sami, but I had posted it about CAL's parents not being together any longer. Please disregard that because I do believe that was speculation in a post. Sorry for my error.

:)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna


:shrug:

I wish something would happen that would flush him out!

LE would have to maybe stop his Dad on a routine traffic stop first or he committ some other offense in order for LE to find out that there may be a traffic bench warrant out for him. LE is so busy that traffic warrants are not high on their priority list.

IIRC, I had read here on the board that CAL's Dad had an unpaid ticket. I will just have to MOO all of this as I do not have a link but will go back and look for the post.

:) [/*]

Donna, I remember way back at the beginning, people were doing searches of CL's family, and there were two Salvador Laureans.... one was apparently his father, and the other seemed to be about the right age for a brother. So it is not clear to me which one has the unpaid ticket as there isn't a date of birth listed.

JMO and no link.

Gentle - my thoughts are with you and your family and hope your daughter has a quick recovery. It is horrifying sometimes how long you have to wait at an ER!

[henry]

Originally posted by donna


I am not Sami, but I had posted it about CAL's parents not being together any longer. Please disregard that because I do believe that was speculation in a post. Sorry for my error.

:) [/*]

iirc from the las vegas documents, their house was sold and another one was bought just in elvira's name . . . jmo . . . no link

[nuttintodo]

quote:
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Originally posted by Sami


Well, the truck was in the Dad's name. . . .

Not that I'm hoping this would happen, since I do feel sorry for the parents, but if LE arrested Cesar's Dad on a Bench Warrant, I wonder if that would flush out Cesar. Or maybe make some of the family talk. [/*]
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I think the truck being in S. Laurean's name is simply because CAL didn't have his credit established enough to finance the truck solely in his name. Besides we don't know when he purchased the truck. I would tend to think the truck purchase was well before their home was purchased.

The truck was probably one of the first things soon after his arrival in Jacksonville. Car dealers around here LOVE it when Marines come in wanting to buy a vehicle!

And perhaps if a bench warrant is posted for his father, that might indeed flush CAL out, but I think it would be unlikely as it seems CAL only cares about himself.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


I am not Sami, but I had posted it about CAL's parents not being together any longer. Please disregard that because I do believe that was speculation in a post. Sorry for my error.

:) [/*]

But they could be separated or whatnot. They sold their home in LV in 2006 and Elizia Laurean purchased a home thereafter in her name only. No links to provide and JMO.

[strick10]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Donna, I remember way back at the beginning, people were doing searches of CL's family, and there were two Salvador Laureans.... one was apparently his father, and the other seemed to be about the right age for a brother. So it is not clear to me which one has the unpaid ticket as there isn't a date of birth listed.

JMO and no link.

Gentle - my thoughts are with you and your family and hope your daughter has a quick recovery. It is horrifying sometimes how long you have to wait at an ER! [/*]

You remember right gpeas. There is/was a Salvador Laurean on one of those high school reunion web sites that lists the age as 31 having attended Palo Alto and the other Salvador listed in people finders is 50 and does not have another Salvador listed as possible relative. There is a Javier S. Laurean, age 41, listed as being a possible relative.

[Maka]

Originally posted by donna


:shrug:

I wish something would happen that would flush him out!

LE would have to maybe stop his Dad on a routine traffic stop first or he committ some other offense in order for LE to find out that there may be a traffic bench warrant out for him. LE is so busy that traffic warrants are not high on their priority list.

IIRC, I had read here on the board that CAL's Dad had an unpaid ticket. I will just have to MOO all of this as I do not have a link but will go back and look for the post.

:) [/*]

Swiffer please...

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


I am not Sami, but I had posted it about CAL's parents not being together any longer. Please disregard that because I do believe that was speculation in a post. Sorry for my error.

:) [/*]

So donna, do you happen to know if there are links to any of this as far as the truck and the "ticket" that would yield a bench warrant or the parents no longer being together?

I haven't seen any of it, but might have missed it.

TIA. :seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


So donna, do you happen to know if there are links to any of this as far as the truck and the "ticket" that would yield a bench warrant or the parents no longer being together?

I haven't seen any of it, but might have missed it.

TIA. :seeya: [/*]

I have a copy of Elvias' purchase of her "sole and seperated property" in adobe on my computer, but, I don't know how to post on here or if posting such will be against TOS.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10


You remember right gpeas. There is/was a Salvador Laurean on one of those high school reunion web sites that lists the age as 31 having attended Palo Alto and the other Salvador listed in people finders is 50 and does not have another Salvador listed as possible relative. There is a Javier S. Laurean, age 41, listed as being a possible relative. [/*]

Thanks, Strick!

[strick10]

Originally posted by Sami


The verbiage sounds like a split to me, Strick.

Or for some reason, it was necessary to not have his name on the house. Was there a mortgage? If so, then she must have a pretty good job to be sole buyer. JMO [/*]

Well the agreements lists her as a married woman and at the bottom it lists her address as being on Newton Dr. She paid $215,000.00 and it is dated 7 Nov 2005. The date is confusing to me. Don't know why Salvador wouldn't be on there.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


I have a copy of Elvias' purchase of her "sole and seperated property" in adobe on my computer, but, I don't know how to post on here or if posting such will be against TOS. [/*]

Did you get the download from a website anyone can get to strick?

[Maka]

Originally posted by strick10


I have a copy of Elvias' purchase of her "sole and seperated property" in adobe on my computer, but, I don't know how to post on here or if posting such will be against TOS. [/*]

I remember that too...but what's odd is how the paperwork has Elvia typed out even though the county entered it in the index as Elvira. I didn't bother to look and see if there was a corrected form filed in case that was a mistake on the paperwork...

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Did you get the download from a website anyone can get to strick? [/*]

I got the website from someones link on this board a bit back and just saved the doc. Let me see if I can find the link to clark co.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


Well the agreements lists her as a married woman and at the bottom it lists her address as being on Newton Dr. She paid $215,000.00 and it is dated 7 Nov 2005. The date is confusing to me. Don't know why Salvador wouldn't be on there. [/*]

It could have to do with a husband or wife starting a business and there are also advantages in certain tax filing situations. I don't take anything like that to mean a husband and wife are no longer together myself.

Is that really what people were relying on to infer they are no longer living together or married?

TIA.

:) JMO

[henry]

here's the 2 links i have for public records

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=16120812035

ot . . . edit: AB - if you're out there . . . reading, of course, please stand up . . . really want to post my st. patrick's day song.

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


It could have to do with a husband or wife starting a business and there are also advantages in certain tax filing situations. I don't take anything like that to mean a husband and wife are no longer together myself.

Is that really what people were relying on to infer they are no longer living together or married?

TIA.

:) JMO [/*]
That's true CK, there could be another reason why. I think that may be what some posters, to include myself, were thinking of a possible separation of the parents.

[strick10]

Originally posted by henry
here's the 2 links i have for public records

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=16120812035

ot . . . edit: AB - if you're out there . . . reading, of course, please stand up . . . really want to post my st. patrick's day song. [/*]

Thanks Henry!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by henry
here's the 2 links i have for public records

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=16120812035

ot . . . edit: AB - if you're out there . . . reading, of course, please stand up . . . really want to post my st. patrick's day song. [/*]

All I see here is JOINT TENANCY. On top of that, I do see that his mother has and alias that matches Cesar's so that may be where that came from and it may be normal which has been suggested here before IIRC.

So, I don't know where the idea of the housing info suggesting a split marriage is really coming from.

The names are Elvira Sanchez Laurean aka Elvira S. Ramirez De Laurean and Salvador Sanches Laurean and this was dated 2005.

So is there something later that I am missing?

Thanks again.
JMO:patriot:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


It could have to do with a husband or wife starting a business and there are also advantages in certain tax filing situations. I don't take anything like that to mean a husband and wife are no longer together myself.

Is that really what people were relying on to infer they are no longer living together or married?

TIA.

:) JMO [/*]

Agree. I'm also wondering exactly what the relevance is.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


All I see here is JOINT TENANCY. On top of that, I do see that his mother has and alias that matches Cesar's so that may be where that came from and it may be normal which has been suggested here before IIRC.

So, I don't know where the idea of the housing info suggesting a split marriage is really coming from.

The names are Elvira Sanchez Laurean aka Elvira S. Ramirez De Laurean and Salvador Sanches Laurean and this was dated 2005.

So is there something later that I am missing?

Thanks again.
JMO:patriot: [/*]

I think the house was just bought in CL's mother's name. There could be lots of reasons for that (e.g., his father may have bad credit or any other number of reasons).

From what we have heard from LLE, I have seen no evidence of his parents being separated.. but who knows! Everything in this case could be one way or the other, it seems to me!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Agree. I'm also wondering exactly what the relevance is. [/*]

At this point, we don't know what the relevance is of anything, Savannah... but maybe, just maybe, some minor detail will enlighten us...

JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by Maka


Swiffer please... [/*]

Just got back to the board!

Going to swiffer now!

[strick10]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


All I see here is JOINT TENANCY. On top of that, I do see that his mother has and alias that matches Cesar's so that may be where that came from and it may be normal which has been suggested here before IIRC.

So, I don't know where the idea of the housing info suggesting a split marriage is really coming from.

The names are Elvira Sanchez Laurean aka Elvira S. Ramirez De Laurean and Salvador Sanches Laurean and this was dated 2005.

So is there something later that I am missing?

Thanks again.
JMO:patriot: [/*]

You're probably not missing anything CK. I really haven't put much thought into this area as I don't see where it would fit into this case. So maybe the parents bought a house together and sold it in 2006. Mom bought one in her name only in 2005. No telling why that is.

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10

That's true CK, there could be another reason why. I think that may be what some posters, to include myself, were thinking of a possible separation of the parents. [/*]

Thank you, strick10! I was just getting back to the board here! I certainly did not mean for my post to mean I knew that CAL's parents were no longer together. It was an impression I had is all.

:( ....very sorry for my post!

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


Thank you, strick10! I was just getting back to the board here! I certainly did not mean for my post to mean I knew that CAL's parents were no longer together. It was an impression I had is all.

:( ....very sorry for my post! [/*]

No need to apologize. I thought the same due to the fact that the Mrs. bought property in her name in 2005 on Newton Dr. and the home both Mr. and Mrs. sold in 2006 is on Coconut Grove or something like that. :D

[marinewife5]

evening all! thanks nuttin for the correspondence with rs. ready with those theories gaelic??? happy to see you here, gentle, and your daughter is in my thoughts.

[Maka]

Who is Elvia

[strick10]

Originally posted by strick10


No need to apologize. I thought the same due to the fact that the Mrs. bought property in her name in 2005 on Newton Dr. and the home both Mr. and Mrs. sold in 2006 is on Coconut Grove or something like that. :D [/*]

And to add to my curiosity is that Salvador is not listed as a possible relative when you search the address.

http://www.peoplefinders.com/summary.asp?addr=4687+newton+drive&city=las+vegas&state=NV&zip=&vw=people&Search=People&Input=address&image.x=35&image.y=6

On the Coconut address both are listed.

[donna]

Thanks, strick10 and Sami!

:)

[crymeariver2006]

Thanks for the pictures nuttin!

:seeya:

For some reason I thought the tile in the living room looked whiter in the Greta pics than it does in the former owner pics. But it's most likely because the walls were painted a darker color.

BTW, what room is that where you have labed "fireplace"?

Geez, can you imagine the former owners thinking they had sold their home to this nice young couple, only to learn that it became the horror house from h#ll.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by strick10


You're probably not missing anything CK. I really haven't put much thought into this area as I don't see where it would fit into this case. So maybe the parents bought a house together and sold it in 2006. Mom bought one in her name only in 2005. No telling why that is. [/*]

Yes, I think babes was just positing about picking up an investment property. I don't really see that as a tie-in to not living together and many times LEGAL DOCUMENTS will have errors even the people themselves don't catch as far as Elvia.

JMO tho. :shrug:

I've seen more than a few clerical errors in legal paperwork. It was a daily discussion when motions were filed in the last case I followed.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Thanks for the pictures nuttin!

:seeya:

For some reason I thought the tile in the living room looked whiter in the Greta pics than it does in the former owner pics. But it's most likely because the walls were painted a darker color.

BTW, what room is that where you have labed "fireplace"?

Geez, can you imagine the former owners thinking they had sold their home to this nice young couple, only to learn that it became the horror house from h#ll. [/*]

:chicken:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5
evening all! thanks nuttin for the correspondence with rs. ready with those theories gaelic??? happy to see you here, gentle, and your daughter is in my thoughts. [/*]

Well, I am already thinking about taking a vacation day tomorrow to work on my theory (theories)... LOL

[strick10]

Originally posted by Lyn_T


Oh my, I am totally confused here.

On the Laurean link above, they list a name change for Elvira. From Elvira Sanchez Laurean to Elvira Ramirez DE Laurean. (this family has way to many aka's for me to track....IMO)

The other link to Elvia Ramirez they look like 2 different signatures completely.....are we sure this is the same Elvira? [/*]

Got to remember that Mexican/Latino/Hispanic females often keep their maiden names. A poster that isn't here anymore posted a really good explanation about the sequence. I can't do better. I think the first name may be typos. Ramirez is CALs mothers maiden name. Laurean is CALs fathers fathers last name and the Sanchez is CALs fathers mothers last name. Oh boy, I just confused myself............hope you get the gist of it.

ETA that males also use both maternal and paternal last names.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

(snipped)

I've seen more than a few clerical errors in legal paperwork. It was a daily discussion when motions were filed in the last case I followed. [/*]

... and more than a few medical errors... :D

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


Got to remember that Mexican/Latino/Hispanic females often keep their maiden names. A poster that isn't here anymore posted a really good explanation about the sequence. I can't do better. I think the first name may be typos. Ramirez is CALs mothers maiden name. Laurean is CALs fathers fathers last name and the Sanchez is CALs fathers mothers last name. Oh boy, I just confused myself............hope you get the gist of it.

ETA that males also use both maternal and paternal last names. [/*]

Yes, strick, that was a great lesson in Hispanic names and how they are used. Very confusing to most of us!

[Jan Powell]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Her daughter was trying to break up a dog fight and was mauled as a result. She took 53 stitches in the leg and is on crutches. The family is okay after the storm. :rose: [/*]

TY for responding to that question, I hadn't read what had happened and I wondered too.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


The landline and cell phone records are something we are not privy to and will play a tremendous part in this. The computer findings with the directions are also something that we will not know. Maria had looked up directions on Durham's computer, IIRC.

*snipped*


[/*]

Meant to reply to this earlier, Donna, glad I remembered. Did we find that out to be true? That she looked up directions to CL's house? I thought that was just one of our guesses/theories? Can you refresh my memory of that? (Or anyone else.)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


Got to remember that Mexican/Latino/Hispanic females often keep their maiden names.
~snipped [/*]
That's also the case among those from the Philippines.

[strick10]

Originally posted by IvySterling

That's also the case among those from the Philippines. [/*]

Wow, I didn't know that. Good to know though.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Meant to reply to this earlier, Donna, glad I remembered. Did we find that out to be true? That she looked up directions to CL's house? I thought that was just one of our guesses/theories? Can you refresh my memory of that? (Or anyone else.) [/*]

My memory of this, Savannah, FWIW, is that LE was checking Durham's computer to see if ML looked up directions. I don't remember any confirmation that this happened...

But JMO and no link, sorry.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


My memory of this, Savannah, FWIW, is that LE was checking Durham's computer to see if ML looked up directions. I don't remember any confirmation that this happened...

But JMO and no link, sorry. [/*]


Yep thats what I recall too Ms. Peas. They did not say directions to "where" nor have they commented any further on what they found or did not find.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


Wow, I didn't know that. Good to know though. [/*]
Not all do however, or do all Hispanics, or other.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Meant to reply to this earlier, Donna, glad I remembered. Did we find that out to be true? That she looked up directions to CL's house? I thought that was just one of our guesses/theories? Can you refresh my memory of that? (Or anyone else.) [/*]

Hi, SavannahStar!

Well, CAL's Dad does have an unpaid traffic ticket.

I did not say that Maria looked up directions to CAL's house. Look again. We do not know where the directions were to.
That's it - guesses! I have MOO'd it!

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Hey. I got stuck working a 7.5 hr shift this morning and I am just now getting home.
I take it nothing happened today. :rolleyes: Haven't even turned on the news.

AB [/*]No new news.
RS responded to out email, he is wanting our theories, Nuttin provided us with pics of the laureans home before they bought it.

[Sherlocksmom]

Just wanted to say thank you to nuttin for the pictures and the email from RS. Very much appreciate the time you took to get the info and share it with the board!

GentleBreeze:

So sorry to hear about your daughter. I am saying a prayer for her to get better soon. :rose:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Hey. I got stuck working a 7.5 hr shift this morning and I am just now getting home.
I take it nothing happened today. :rolleyes: Haven't even turned on the news.

AB [/*]

Well, Captain Sutherland wants us to submit "4-5 theories".. so that is new...

But he isn't going to answer any more of our questions, dangit.

[donna]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, SavannahStar!

Well, CAL's Dad does have an unpaid traffic ticket.

I did not say that Maria looked up directions to CAL's house. Look again. We do not know where the directions were to.
That's it - guesses! I have MOO'd it! [/*]

Quoting my own post, LOL!

SavannaStar, my post was at 4:48 central time. I stated that we do not know where the directions were to that Maria had looked up!

[alter ego]

Originally posted by strick10


Got to remember that Mexican/Latino/Hispanic females often keep their maiden names. A poster that isn't here anymore posted a really good explanation about the sequence. I can't do better. I think the first name may be typos. Ramirez is CALs mothers maiden name. Laurean is CALs fathers fathers last name and the Sanchez is CALs fathers mothers last name. Oh boy, I just confused myself............hope you get the gist of it.

ETA that males also use both maternal and paternal last names. [/*]

Like this?

Hispanic Surnames
Most Hispanic countries, including Spain, have a unique naming system in which children are commonly given two surnames, one from each parent.

The middle name (1st surname) comes from the father's name (apellido paterno), and the last name (2nd surname) is the mother's maiden name (apellido materno).

Sometimes, these two surnames may be found separated by y (meaning "and"), although this is no longer as common as it once was. Recent changes to laws in Spain mean that you may also find the two surnames reversed - first the mother's surname, and then the father's surname. Women also retain their maiden name when they get married, making it much easier to track families through multiple generations.
http://genealogy.about.com/cs/hispanic/a/ancestry.htm

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


REALLY? He asked for our theories? wow thats pretty cool.
Could some poor kind soul give me link to RS's comments ro whatever he responded- thanks so much- [/*]

There is a separate thread for it, Annie.. just check the lobby.. :D

[hinman]

Just wanted to say we have some great posters on here. Thank you all for all the links and info today.

Alter ego thank you for finding that link on Mexican names.

:beer: To all.

[gaelicpeas]

here is the link:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=326733&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
here is the link:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=326733&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 [/*]


LMAO Is that incase she drank too much green beer and gets lots in the lobby? :D

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


was the yard sporting some bushes and trees then? or flowers? [/*]Annie here is where the pics are. Just scroll down to nuttins post.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=326696&perpage=40&pagenumber=7

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



LMAO Is that incase she drank too much green beer and gets lots in the lobby? :D [/*]

:D well, they were serving green beer in here about 8 or 9 am this morning...

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
Just wanted to say we have some great posters on here. Thank you all for all the links and info today.

Alter ego thank you for finding that link on Mexican names.

:beer: To all. [/*]

i double cheer to that also . . .

[donna]

Originally posted by henry


i double cheer to that also . . . [/*]

Add me to that list also! I did not know that!

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


:D well, they were serving green beer in here about 8 or 9 am this morning... [/*]


I might have had one too many myself after rereading my post! I said lots instead of lost. :beer:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


Quoting my own post, LOL!

SavannaStar, my post was at 4:48 central time. I stated that we do not know where the directions were to that Maria had looked up! [/*]

I didn't see that in your first post........but I remember someone bringing up a Mapquest to CL's house, I thought that was just something pulled out of nowhere, and then seeing your post...I thought it was related. I'm going blind going back and forth between threads and pages, sorry.

I don't even remember reading she looked up directions to anywhere. :shrug:

[hinman]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
In looking at pics and refreshing my memory on timelines, I found info at AMW as to charges against CL I hadn't read or seen before. (bottom of page)
1st degree Car Theft
Attempted Car fraud
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

Is this a typo and should have read card instead of car? I know ML had a for sale sign in the rear window of her car, but also wondered if CL or CSL had put that sign there. [/*]Lyn_T
I believe it is a typo but that is JMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
In looking at pics and refreshing my memory on timelines, I found info at AMW as to charges against CL I hadn't read or seen before. (bottom of page)
1st degree Car Theft
Attempted Car fraud
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

Is this a typo and should have read card instead of car? I know ML had a for sale sign in the rear window of her car, but also wondered if CL or CSL had put that sign there. [/*]

We discussed this once before and most of us concluded that it was a typo and should read card, not car. But who knows...

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Lyn_T
In looking at pics and refreshing my memory on timelines, I found info at AMW as to charges against CL I hadn't read or seen before. (bottom of page)
1st degree Car Theft
Attempted Car fraud
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=52333

Is this a typo and should have read card instead of car? I know ML had a for sale sign in the rear window of her car, but also wondered if CL or CSL had put that sign there. [/*]

IIRC that was discussed a lot on some earlier threads....car vs. card.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



I might have had one too many myself after rereading my post! I said lots instead of lost. :beer: [/*]

lol.. I saw that, but decided not to comment.. :D

Okay.. pretty soon I am going to have to hunker down and start writing out my theory (ies).

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I didn't see that in your first post........but I remember someone bringing up a Mapquest to CL's house, I thought that was just something pulled out of nowhere, and then seeing your post...I thought it was related. I'm going blind going back and forth between threads and pages, sorry.

I don't even remember reading she looked up directions to anywhere. :shrug: [/*]

Hi, SS!

She had. It was in a PC or an article, can't remember which!

NP - :)

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol.. I saw that, but decided not to comment.. :D

Okay.. pretty soon I am going to have to hunker down and start writing out my theory (ies). [/*]


Yes! You better get some of them down....I have money on you getting the theory right. :tongue:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, SS!

She had. It was in a PC or an article, can't remember which!

NP - :) [/*]

Okay, thanks, I did miss that. Whoever brought up the Mapquest may have gotten the idea for that.

I never figured she probably needed directions to his house, personally.......

Sorry again, Donna. Misunderstood your post.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by hinman
Just wanted to say we have some great posters on here. Thank you all for all the links and info today.

Alter ego thank you for finding that link on Mexican names.

:beer: To all. [/*]

:beer:

and to think an investigator has actually asked for input from posters on THIS board.


:patriot:

[strick10]

Originally posted by alter ego


Like this?

Hispanic Surnames
Most Hispanic countries, including Spain, have a unique naming system in which children are commonly given two surnames, one from each parent.

The middle name (1st surname) comes from the father's name (apellido paterno), and the last name (2nd surname) is the mother's maiden name (apellido materno).

Sometimes, these two surnames may be found separated by y (meaning "and"), although this is no longer as common as it once was. Recent changes to laws in Spain mean that you may also find the two surnames reversed - first the mother's surname, and then the father's surname. Women also retain their maiden name when they get married, making it much easier to track families through multiple generations.
http://genealogy.about.com/cs/hispanic/a/ancestry.htm [/*]

Yes. Mexicans also use "de" meaning of/from

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


don't serve henry any- shes boycotting all things irish today-
which means, henry, you can't speak to me because I am IRISH and to prove it, I have three L's in my last name. If that ain't irish, nuttin' is....t [/*]

:lol:

(part Irish here too)

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol.. I saw that, but decided not to comment.. :D

Okay.. pretty soon I am going to have to hunker down and start writing out my theory (ies). [/*]I can't wait to read them.

I enjoy reading every ones theories because I really don't have one well I guess I could look at it as I have so many but none really add up.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


don't serve henry any- shes boycotting all things irish today-
which means, henry, you can't speak to me because I am IRISH and to prove it, I have three L's in my last name. If that ain't irish, nuttin' is....t [/*]

hah . . . you can't even get your green right!!!!! [/*]

edit . . . your's is seagreen . . . mine is green

[strick10]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



LMAO Is that incase she drank too much green beer and gets lots in the lobby? :D [/*]

Some of these folks on here began the morning talking about and toasting w/ green beer. Laughter in the a.m. is the best.

[hinman]

Originally posted by alter ego


:beer:

and to think an investigator has actually asked for input from posters on THIS board.


:patriot: [/*]I know, right. We are a great group.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I didn't see that in your first post........but I remember someone bringing up a Mapquest to CL's house, I thought that was just something pulled out of nowhere, and then seeing your post...I thought it was related. I'm going blind going back and forth between threads and pages, sorry.

I don't even remember reading she looked up directions to anywhere. :shrug: [/*]


Nothing was ever reported about Mapquest. That was a posters "idea". I don't believe they ever even verified Maria looked up directions at all actually.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Well, I am already thinking about taking a vacation day tomorrow to work on my theory (theories)... LOL [/*]

I hope you do!

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Okay, thanks, I did miss that. Whoever brought up the Mapquest may have gotten the idea for that.

I never figured she probably needed directions to his house, personally.......

Sorry again, Donna. Misunderstood your post. [/*]

:) ... again - no problem!

I did not think Maria would need directions to CAL's house either!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Yes! You better get some of them down....I have money on you getting the theory right. [/*]

egads.. I hope you didn't bet your farm on me... :D

Seriously, though, I am going to try to frame my thoughts in maybe 3 basic theories, with some alternatives at every step...

Sorta like 9 permutations of 3 theories... :D

:eek:

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Nothing was ever reported about Mapquest. That was a posters "idea". I don't believe they ever even verified Maria looked up directions at all actually. [/*]I don't remember seeing anything reported on it either.

As everyone knows my memory is not the best so there could be a link.:D

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by strick10


Some of these folks on here began the morning talking about and toasting w/ green beer. Laughter in the a.m. is the best. [/*]


Laughter anytime is wonderful! Not sure about green beer but I will try anything once. :biggrin:

[donna]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Nothing was ever reported about Mapquest. That was a posters "idea". I don't believe they ever even verified Maria looked up directions at all actually. [/*]

Hi, Sherlocksmom!

I do think it was referred to. I will try to find it and meantime - Lynn Gweeny, can you help me with this?
Thanks!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Nothing was ever reported about Mapquest. That was a posters "idea". I don't believe they ever even verified Maria looked up directions at all actually. [/*]

Oh that's exactly how I remember it also....just as a poster's speculation.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Thanks hinman. Boy the Laurens really trashed the place IMO.
The pool liner was all ripped and half off the rim of the pool- wonder what the condition of the inside of the house was? Were they slobs? Just curious.
:shrug: [/*]


:lol: I noticed the "down grades" too.

[strick10]

Night all :seeya: You fine folks have a wonderful evening.

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Thanks hinman. Boy the Laurens really trashed the place IMO.
The pool liner was all ripped and half off the rim of the pool- wonder what the condition of the inside of the house was? Were they slobs? Just curious.
:shrug: [/*]Well I don't really know if they were slobs or not but if the looks of the garage is any indication of what the inside looks like............

of course the living room pics were not that bad besides the awful paint color.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, Sherlocksmom!

I do think it was referred to. I will try to find it and meantime - Lynn Gweeny, can you help me with this?
Thanks! [/*]

Donna.. .I have some vague memory of LE saying they wanted to search Durham's computer to see if there were directions on it.... but since I haven't seen anything since, I was sort of assuming they didn't find anything..

But who knows, and just my vague memory, and JMO!

(and if it's there, Lynn will find it, that's for sure!)

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by donna


Hi, Sherlocksmom!

I do think it was referred to. I will try to find it and meantime - Lynn Gweeny, can you help me with this?
Thanks! [/*]


LOL Hey donna.

Yes it was refered to by a poster here (mapquest I mean). I am sure Lynn will swoop in soon but IIRC LE just said they were checking her roomates computer to see if Maria ever looked up directions to anywhere. I think it was before they discovered she was buried in the backyard and they thought she was "missing".

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by strick10
Night all :seeya: You fine folks have a wonderful evening. [/*]


Night strick :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



LOL Hey donna.

Yes it was refered to by a poster here (mapquest I mean). I am sure Lynn will swoop in soon but IIRC LE just said they were checking her roomates computer to see if Maria ever looked up directions to anywhere. I think it was before they discovered she was buried in the backyard and they thought she was "missing". [/*]

That is exactly my memory, too, Sherlock...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10
Night all :seeya: You fine folks have a wonderful evening. [/*]

g'night, Strick.. see ya tomorrow! :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Donna.. .I have some vague memory of LE saying they wanted to search Durham's computer to see if there were directions on it.... but since I haven't seen anything since, I was sort of assuming they didn't find anything..

But who knows, and just my vague memory, and JMO!

(and if it's there, Lynn will find it, that's for sure!) [/*]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1943156&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

This is a search of the forum for "mapquest." If you go back you'll see that it was originally Candy's idea that ML's car was found with a mapquest print-out to CL's house. She said it was strickly IN HER OPINION though. That is as I recalled it.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


That is exactly my memory, too, Sherlock... [/*]

Well if you, hinman and Savanna all recall it too I may have recalled something correctly for a change. :tongue:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1943156&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

This is a search of the forum for "mapquest." If you go back you'll see that it was originally Candy's idea that ML's car was found with a mapquest print-out to CL's house. She said it was strickly IN HER OPINION though. That is as I recalled it. [/*]

Thanks, Savannah!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
Annie here is where the pics are. Just scroll down to nuttins post.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=326696&perpage=40&pagenumber=7 [/*]

AB better be quick if she wants to see them. Apparently someone didn't like my posting of them as I got word from about it directly from CW. I decided to forego causing any problems with them being posted and simply asked CW to delete them.

So really nothing has changed around here.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom


Well if you, hinman and Savanna all recall it too I may have recalled something correctly for a change. :tongue: [/*]

I think you have a great memory, Sherlock... :) (hence your name)

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1943156&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

This is a search of the forum for "mapquest." If you go back you'll see that it was originally Candy's idea that ML's car was found with a mapquest print-out to CL's house. She said it was strickly IN HER OPINION though. That is as I recalled it. [/*]


TY Savannah. I thought it was Candy but didn't want to say that incase it wasn't. I have been following too many boards here and mixing up the posters happens to me all the time.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


AB better be quick if she wants to see them. Apparently someone didn't like my posting of them as I got word from about it directly from CW. I decided to forego causing any problems with them being posted and simply asked CW to delete them.

So really nothing has changed around here.

JMO [/*]

wow! that is really odd!

hmmm... maybe we have some defense team posters here?

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


AB better be quick if she wants to see them. Apparently someone didn't like my posting of them as I got word from about it directly from CW. I decided to forego causing any problems with them being posted and simply asked CW to delete them.

So really nothing has changed around here.

JMO [/*]


What?? Thats kind of silly imo. it's just pictures. :confused:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1943156&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

This is a search of the forum for "mapquest." If you go back you'll see that it was originally Candy's idea that ML's car was found with a mapquest print-out to CL's house. She said it was strickly IN HER OPINION though. That is as I recalled it. [/*]

I would like to interject this---this was also something that has been talked about locally too. An 'inside source' has apparently said that there was a mapquest for directions to CAL's house done on DD's computer.

Just wanted to add what the locals were saying so take it for what it's worth, which at this point is probably a big fat zero.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


AB better be quick if she wants to see them. Apparently someone didn't like my posting of them as I got word from about it directly from CW. I decided to forego causing any problems with them being posted and simply asked CW to delete them.

So really nothing has changed around here.

JMO [/*]

Nothing EVER changes around here.

I found that out today! :lol:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I looked.
I saw.
I noted.
Thanks!:D [/*]

good job, Annie! veni, vici, vidi.... :D

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I would like to interject this---this was also something that has been talked about locally too. An 'inside source' has apparently said that there was a mapquest for directions to CAL's house done on DD's computer.

Just wanted to add what the locals were saying so take it for what it's worth, which at this point is probably a big fat zero.

JMO [/*]

Thanks, nuttin. Yes, I'll take it for what it's worth. :D

(It seems unlikely to me.....as I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure she would not need computer directions to his house.)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Bet its hard or impossible to get blood evidence from the grout between those ceramic tiles, huh? [/*]

Actually, I would think the grout would be the primary place to look... hard to clean in those cracks... JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



What?? Thats kind of silly imo. it's just pictures. :confused: [/*]

I know, it's kinda like a slap in the face. But oh well, life goes on.

JMO

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Thanks, nuttin. Yes, I'll take it for what it's worth. :D

(It seems unlikely to me.....as I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure she would not need computer directions to his house.) [/*]

ITA Especially if they were involved. She would know where he lived......thats a woman thing. JMO :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Look, girls, how many of you think that Maria didn't know EXACTLY where Cesar lived? [/*]

That's exactly what I said, AB. NO WAY would she need directions. :rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Look, girls, how many of you think that Maria didn't know EXACTLY where Cesar lived? [/*]

I agree... I mean, Jacksonville is not that big of a place.. .IMO (saying that from having lived in South Carolina and now living in New Jersey, FWIW.)

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know, it's kinda like a slap in the face. But oh well, life goes on.

JMO [/*]


Well thanks for getting them and I am glad I checked in today so I could see them.:seeya:

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by alter ego


:beer:

and to think an investigator has actually asked for input from posters on THIS board.


:patriot: [/*]

I am a new poster and can't take any credit but I am very impressed that R.Southerland asked for theories from these posters!

I have always thought this is the best forum I ever read, lots of smart people posting here!

[gaelicpeas]

so.. we still don't confirmation whether CL's fireplace was gas or just a regular fireplace, right?

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


IIRC that was discussed a lot on some earlier threads....car vs. card. [/*]

I don't remember much about those threads, but it would seem like if it were referring to "Car" they would have said "vehicle"

[mini-me]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


egads.. I hope you didn't bet your farm on me... :D

Seriously, though, I am going to try to frame my thoughts in maybe 3 basic theories, with some alternatives at every step...

Sorta like 9 permutations of 3 theories... :D

:eek: [/*]Is one of your theories abduction? Just wondering.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Thats why I said girls . We would know because we would have driven by his place a loooong time ago, just to check out what it looked like, see how he kept the "wife", home-wise. Its just natural female curiosity. Might not board a plane to fly to some unknown place to check it out, but if its in the same town, what the hay? I woulda. [/*]

I agree with this, Annie.. and I am not even a girly-girl :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


I don't remember much about those threads, but it would seem like if it were referring to "Car" they would have said "vehicle" [/*]

I agree... I think it was an error. Odd though, that they haven't corrected it.

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



What?? Thats kind of silly imo. it's just pictures. :confused: [/*]kinda what I was thinking.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by mini-me
Is one of your theories abduction? Just wondering. [/*]

That is my main theory, Mini.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Thanks, nuttin. Yes, I'll take it for what it's worth. :D

(It seems unlikely to me.....as I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure she would not need computer directions to his house.) [/*]

SanannahStar and others - second time today I did not mean to start a big deal about this! Sorry!

OK, it was question #6 in the first set of questions to Captain Sutherland. It was wanting to know if there had been a Mapquest directions found to CAL's house.

It was answered that they knew the answer to this. It was not shared.

Guess I will just read! Can't seem to get anything right today!

:shrug:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


AB better be quick if she wants to see them. Apparently someone didn't like my posting of them as I got word from about it directly from CW. I decided to forego causing any problems with them being posted and simply asked CW to delete them.

So really nothing has changed around here.

JMO [/*]
What :confused:

FTLOP, why? :cuss:

I've got them saved, but really, how petty can some get ?

[henry]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree with this, Annie.. and I am not even a girly-girl :D [/*]

ita . . . and i'm not even going to comment on the gender equality thingie . . . gnite all . . . good day today! :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

I have been saying for a long time that CL and CSL ran into ML in the parking lot on their way into the party... and that CSL was horrified that ML would be showing her face... and told CL to "take care of that woman!".

JMO, and obviously speculation.

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Look, girls, how many of you think that Maria didn't know EXACTLY where Cesar lived?
ETA : WITHOUT a mapquest. [/*]I think you are right on with this.

Curiosity is our nature:D

[donna]

:seeya:

Good night, all. See you tomorrow!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Thanks, nuttin. Yes, I'll take it for what it's worth. :D

(It seems unlikely to me.....as I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure she would not need computer directions to his house.) [/*]

Of course she didn't need directions to his house, and I say that because it's a woman thang you know!

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


That house looks so small. How did it pack 2 bedrooms (or was there only 1 plus a den?) a den, LR, DR, and kitchen in one house that size, if it had no basement. Take off the garage and you have a short little place IMO. [/*]3 bedrooms and 2 baths Annie.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by henry


ita . . . and i'm not even going to comment on the gender equality thingie . . . gnite all . . . good day today! :seeya: [/*]

lol.. g'night, Henry :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, all. See you tomorrow! [/*]

g'night, Donna :seeya: and don't worry about the mapquest thing... there are so many things that are not confirmed that who knows what actually happened!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, all. See you tomorrow! [/*]

Night donna, but before you go, you have incoming! LOL

:seeya:

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Gads! You don't say!
I woulda checked his place out, and have NEVER been confused as being a girly girl. party Girl, yes. Silly Girl, frequently. Naughty girl, as we speak. (:D ) In fact, frequent drive-bys may have been in order for ole Cesar, had I been in Marias shoes I think. [/*]


You must be my long lost sista AB! It's like you read my mind!:D

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


SanannahStar and others - second time today I did not mean to start a big deal about this! Sorry!

OK, it was question #6 in the first set of questions to Captain Sutherland. It was wanting to know if there had been a Mapquest directions found to CAL's house.

It was answered that they knew the answer to this. It was not shared.

Guess I will just read! Can't seem to get anything right today!

:shrug: [/*]donna I hope I didn't offend you.

From his answer it seems that it could go either way. :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Gads! You don't say!
I woulda checked his place out, and have NEVER been confused as being a girly girl. party Girl, yes. Silly Girl, frequently. Naughty girl, as we speak. (:D ) In fact, frequent drive-bys may have been in order for ole Cesar, had I been in Marias shoes I think. [/*]

LOL! (it must be a SC thangy)

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by donna
:seeya:

Good night, all. See you tomorrow! [/*]


Night Donna. Don't worry about anything either. So many things are conflicted, unanswered and unknown in this case it's no big deal! :seeya:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
so.. we still don't confirmation whether CL's fireplace was gas or just a regular fireplace, right? [/*]tax records show it to have a heatpump and electric heat.

Prolly a regular ole fireplace :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=1943156&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending

This is a search of the forum for "mapquest." If you go back you'll see that it was originally Candy's idea that ML's car was found with a mapquest print-out to CL's house. She said it was strickly IN HER OPINION though. That is as I recalled it. [/*]


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/0...comment-page-4/

"... state authorities searched Durham’s laptop because they believe the woman may have used it to search for directions on the Internet, ... ."

I didn't pull it out of my hat Savannah! Also I checked with Lindell Kay from JDN and he confirmed he interviewed four sets of neighbors who had never seen her care there before. We shall see what comes of that. :hat:

JMO and all that jazz. The link is cached now IIRC, but the quote is accurate.

[gaelicpeas]

Okay.. so these are my basic 3 theories:

1. ML was raped and eventually abducted and forced to do everything (note, ATM, bus ticket, etc)

(but why the baby clothing?)

2. ML had consensual sex, then filed a false rape allegation because she was upset CL was married.

3. ML was raped (or not), then there was some ensuing discussion between ML and CL.. and somehow she went to his house willingly and then there are multiple possibilities.

Can anyone think of any possible other scenarios other than these 3 basic ones? I realize each one can have multiple spin-offs, but are these the basic three?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


NO!

Where, geez the BR had to be small. Seriously how many SQ Feet was this place?

That backyard is soooo beautiful and big. They just dont build houses with nice big yards like that anymore.:mad: [/*]1095sq ft according to the tax records

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Well I hope it is a SC thangy, because thats where I would much rather be than the state I am in/ for the rest of my life/ bummer. [/*]

aww...

Carolina in your mind, eh? Me too... one day I will go back.

But for now, I am thinking about what theory to post with regards to this murder... egads, I have so many.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


NO!

Where, geez the BR had to be small. Seriously how many SQ Feet was this place?

That backyard is soooo beautiful and big. They just dont build houses with nice big yards like that anymore.:mad: [/*]

Living Room Size13X17

Dining Room Size12X9

Kitchen Size12X9

Master Bedroom Size12X14

Bedroom 2 Size10X13

Bedroom 3 Size10X13

Other Room 1 Size 6X10

Other Room 1 is Laundry Room

Total heated space is 1105 sq. ft.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES



http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/0...comment-page-4/

"... state authorities searched Durham’s laptop because they believe the woman may have used it to search for directions on the Internet, ... ."

I didn't pull it out of my hat Savannah! Also I checked with Lindell Kay from JDN and he confirmed he interviewed four sets of neighbors who had never seen her care there before. We shall see what comes of that. :hat:

JMO and all that jazz. The link is cached now IIRC, but the quote is accurate. [/*]

Well you did say in your opinion, her car had a mapquest map found in it, with directions to his house......right? So you got that from the above? To me, it's a stretch. But we all have our own speculation, so that's okay.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well you did say in your opinion, her car had a mapquest map found in it, with directions to his house......right? So you got that from the above? To me, it's a stretch. But we all have our own speculation, so that's okay. [/*]

oh yeah.. I vaguely remember something about a mapquest map being found in the car, too. not sure where that came from, though...

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


no comment [/*]

No comment to your no comment. :D

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


This house HAS to have a basement. [/*]

no basement...and my house isn't much bigger. that's the typical house here, imo

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by hinman
Just wanted to say we have some great posters on here. Thank you all for all the links and info today.

Alter ego thank you for finding that link on Mexican names.

:beer: To all. [/*]
:) Not Mexican surnames hinman, Hispanic. Many countries have Hispanic surnames.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Well you did say in your opinion, her car had a mapquest map found in it, with directions to his house......right? So you got that from the above? To me, it's a stretch. But we all have our own speculation, so that's okay. [/*]

Well, thanks for your blessing Ms. Savannah! I might have used that as a basis for my opinion. Directions as linked + car or female never seen there before by four sets of neighbors = the opinion that those directions could have been to his house.

It's as good as somebody allegedly putting trash on a myspace and maybe that was a friend of Cesar Laurean, no?

It's as good as the deeds to properties being a bit convoluted and some thinking it might represent the dissolution of a marriage, no?

:) JMO

It's all good in the world of speculation. :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


no basement...and my house isn't much bigger. that's the typical house here, imo [/*]

Yes, most are no larger than 1500 sq. ft. total, including the porches, etc.

I guess I'm out of the ordinary then, LOL.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Well, thanks for your blessing Ms. Savannah! I might have used that as a basis for my opinion. Directions as linked + car or female never seen there before by four sets of neighbors = the opinion that those directions could have been to his house.

It's as good as somebody allegedly putting trash on a myspace and maybe that was a friend of Cesar Laurean, no?

It's as good as the deeds to properties being a bit convoluted and some thinking it might represent the dissolution of a marriage, no?

:) JMO

It's all good in the world of speculation. :seeya: [/*]

Candy, her neighbors never having seen her there doesn't mean much, does it? A girly girl can drive around looking (lurking) for her beau's home, huh? :cool:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Yes, most are no larger than 1500 sq. ft. total, including the porches, etc.

I guess I'm out of the ordinary then, LOL.

JMO [/*]

we're going from 1400 to 3500...sometimes i think the small houses are the reason for the high divorce rate here. we're all on top of each other. small house is another reason i think csl knew more long before she went to le. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Please can we stop the darts being thrown at one another? I do not feel like seeing the board shut down.

Feel the love! ;)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Please can we stop the darts being thrown at one another? I do not feel like seeing the board shut down.

Feel the love! ;) [/*]

Thank you! Words to be heeded! :rose:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


we're going from 1400 to 3500...sometimes i think the small houses are the reason for the high divorce rate here. we're all on top of each other. small house is another reason i think csl knew more long before she went to le. jmo [/*]

lol at the divorce rate link.... :D

So.. I had one response to my "basic 3" theory post.. any more input on that? I really only have one part day this week that I can work on this, so any input is appreciated!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


we're going from 1400 to 3500...sometimes i think the small houses are the reason for the high divorce rate here. we're all on top of each other. small house is another reason i think csl knew more long before she went to le. jmo [/*]

Probably so! I just couldn't stand being on top of each other!

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol at the divorce rate link.... :D

So.. I had one response to my "basic 3" theory post.. any more input on that? I really only have one part day this week that I can work on this, so any input is appreciated! [/*]

Hey do them all! The more the merrier, gp. :)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by AnnieBean



I just have smaller bedrooms and NO den on my upstairs level,
Just 3 bedrooms, 1 bath, LR, very large eat in "country" kitchen
thats it. But I have a whole downstairs too. I just think that house looked very small from the outside but what do I know?
also- was the garage the whole front to back of the end of the house or was the laundry room and possibly an 2nd toilet/sink in between the wall where your car would pull up to and the back of the house? Does that even make sense? [/*]

it is a small house. chances are the laundry was in the garage. imo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean



I just have smaller bedrooms and NO den on my upstairs level,
Just 3 bedrooms, 1 bath, LR, very large eat in "country" kitchen
thats it. But I have a whole downstairs too. I just think that house looked very small from the outside but what do I know?
also- was the garage the whole front to back of the end of the house or was the laundry room and possibly an 2nd toilet/sink in between the wall where your car would pull up to and the back of the house? Does that even make sense? [/*]

I am thinking that, from the crime scene photos, there is a small room, probably the laundry room, in the back of the garage, Annie.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES



http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/0...comment-page-4/

"... state authorities searched Durham’s laptop because they believe the woman may have used it to search for directions on the Internet, ... ."

I didn't pull it out of my hat Savannah! Also I checked with Lindell Kay from JDN and he confirmed he interviewed four sets of neighbors who had never seen her care there before. We shall see what comes of that. :hat:

JMO and all that jazz. The link is cached now IIRC, but the quote is accurate. [/*]
Yes, the quote is accurate CK and it's still available all over the Net, including this one.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/1/11/316325.html

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol at the divorce rate link.... :D

So.. I had one response to my "basic 3" theory post.. any more input on that? I really only have one part day this week that I can work on this, so any input is appreciated! [/*]

i like number 3.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Candy, her neighbors never having seen her there doesn't mean much, does it? A girly girl can drive around looking (lurking) for her beau's home, huh? :cool: [/*]


Uh yep! Been there....done that. :cool:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hey do them all! The more the merrier, gp. :) [/*]

lol... true.. but it takes time to compose all of them. I think I am going to go with the basic three, and then include some things in question like abortion vs adoption, CL vs CSL as the murderer, etc.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yes, the quote is accurate CK and it's still available all over the Net, including this one.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/1/11/316325.html [/*]

I don't doubt the accuracy of the quote (notice it says "MAY have" though). What I question is how that translates into her car was found with a mapquest to CL's house.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Uh yep! Been there....done that. :cool: [/*]

Heck yeh. Me too. About a bazillion times. Back in the day, LOL.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it is a small house. chances are the laundry was in the garage. imo [/*]

I believe the laundry area is in there too. IIRC there was a picture and I thought I saw either the washer or the dryer.

But how can it be posted there's an 'other room', give it's dimensions, etc.?

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yes, the quote is accurate CK and it's still available all over the Net, including this one.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/1/11/316325.html [/*]

yes, the quote is accurate. However, we have had no confirmation that a map was, in fact, found.. JMO and IIRC.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


i like number 3. [/*]

cripes.. which one was number 3? LOL.. I need to go paste my post to a word document...

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


yes, the quote is accurate. However, we have had no confirmation that a map was, in fact, found.. JMO and IIRC. [/*]

Exactly.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


cripes.. which one was number 3? LOL.. I need to go paste my post to a word document... [/*]

you know...number three...a double cheeseburger with fries. j/k...a little lightness to keep the bad vibes away

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yes, the quote is accurate CK and it's still available all over the Net, including this one.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2008/1/11/316325.html [/*]

Thank you Ivy. :)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Well I am glad to hear others think its small too, and thats important to ME because in many of my revolving evolving theories I have Christina knowing a-plenty, as someone would if in a small house. Even to the point of being able to hear others phone conversations if in another room. IMO [/*]

AB, I have been thinking about the smallness of the areas involved.

If CAL struck Maria in the garage by the house door which leads out into the backyard, wouldn't it seem feasible that a strike mark could or would be on the wall or on the boards around the window area? That really wasn't that big of an area, even taking into consideration the tubs weren't present on 12/14/07.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


you know...number three...a double cheeseburger with fries. j/k...a little lightness to keep the bad vibes away [/*]

lol, cheeseburger, cheeseburger (dating myself here to old SNL lines).

Well, I have now saved my 3 "basic" theories to a word document.. so now I see which one you favor... :)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Would "other" room be for Hot water heater and that other machinery that keeps the house chugging along, whatever it is...?? [/*]

From the crime scene photos, the hot water heater wasn't in a room per se, it was over in a corner to itself.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't doubt the accuracy of the quote (notice it says "MAY have" though). What I question is how that translates into her car was found with a mapquest to CL's house. [/*]

How do the other things I offered to compare it with translate? I believe we call it speculation and I certainly didn't mislead anyone by saying that it was a fact. :shrug:

Are you looking for blood tonite? ;)
jmo

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol... true.. but it takes time to compose all of them. I think I am going to go with the basic three, and then include some things in question like abortion vs adoption, CL vs CSL as the murderer, etc. [/*]


You go girl! I like all 3 of your theories. :beer:

[gaelicpeas]

From the crime scene pics we saw, it appears as if there was a small room in the back of the garage, which IMO was probably the laundry room.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean



I just have smaller bedrooms and NO den on my upstairs level,
Just 3 bedrooms, 1 bath, LR, very large eat in "country" kitchen
thats it. But I have a whole downstairs too. I just think that house looked very small from the outside but what do I know?
also- was the garage the whole front to back of the end of the house or was the laundry room and possibly an 2nd toilet/sink in between the wall where your car would pull up to and the back of the house? Does that even make sense? [/*]
IF, and I'm saying IF, it's like the track homes I mentioned earlier that are in my area one bathroom is off the hall, the other in the MB.

The laundry room is a very small area off the kitchen, recessed with folding doors.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


The checked his laptop for a few "may have's" and IMO it was speculation on the person who was quoted as saying that to the press lo so many months ago, then after that came more speculation and so on and so on JMO [/*]

Yes. I took it to mean they were checking to see if she looked up directions to anywhere because she was still missing and they were trying to find her. More of a "let's see if she left any clues" kind of thing. :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I have already had bloodwork done today. [/*]

And I have to have mine done on Wed-nes-day, LOL.

You gotta a stick, I gotta stick.

So there. :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom


Yes. I took it to mean they were checking to see if she looked up directions to anywhere because she was still missing and they were trying to find her. More of a "let's see if she left any clues" kind of thing. :shrug: [/*]

I agree.. this investigation took a 180 degree turn when Christina turned in CL's 'novella'.

It is very interesting to look at the news articles immediately before and after this.

And then to look at the articles a week later. A lot of supposed "facts" changed.. and the oddest thing is that we still don't have clarification on some of the most basic things!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


How do the other things I offered to compare it with translate? I believe we call it speculation and I certainly didn't mislead anyone by saying that it was a fact. :shrug:

Are you looking for blood tonite? ;)
jmo [/*]

Absolutely not. :)

No, you didn't mislead anyone. But......when things come up WAY later, people remember "mapquest in the car" and sometimes forget it was just one poster's IMO.

[gaelicpeas]

I have decided that I am going to preface my 3 plus theory outline.. LOL.. to Captain Sutherland with a major disclaimer. That being, that we don't have basic communications evidence, etc, to determine some of the crucial events in this case.

Otherwise I will look like an idiot. How do they expect us to theorize without access to this data?

I think I need that banging head icon.. hammer

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree.. this investigation took a 180 degree turn when Christina turned in CL's 'novella'.

It is very interesting to look at the news articles immediately before and after this.

And then to look at the articles a week later. A lot of supposed "facts" changed.. and the oddest thing is that we still don't have clarification on some of the most basic things! [/*]

We sure don't have clarification to this day, do we?

CSL and those novellas---they sure packed a whallop. Sure knocked the wind out of a lot of sails, mine included. I honestly had hoped Maria had simply gone away to think, never dreaming of the possibility CAL would allegedly kill her, bury her and then have bonfires over her body.

I think whenever the trial begins, if we have one, we are going to be in for a show.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


We sure don't have clarification to this day, do we?

CSL and those novellas---they sure packed a whallop. Sure knocked the wind out of a lot of sails, mine included. I honestly had hoped Maria had simply gone away to think, never dreaming of the possibility CAL would allegedly kill her, bury her and then have bonfires over her body.

I think whenever the trial begins, if we have one, we are going to be in for a show.

JMO [/*]

Lots of people felt that way, Nuttin.

I must be weird, though, because I immediately thought something is not right here...

But I never imagined he would bury and barbeque her in his own backyard. :eek:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Living Room Size13X17

Dining Room Size12X9

Kitchen Size12X9

Master Bedroom Size12X14

Bedroom 2 Size10X13

Bedroom 3 Size10X13

Other Room 1 Size 6X10

Other Room 1 is Laundry Room

Total heated space is 1105 sq. ft. [/*]
:) And the Property Tax records say 1095 sq.ft. Notice it says:

DWELLING RANCH C *1984 AVERAGE CONDITION
============================================


OWNERSHIP 12012007 193243 998 |PROPERTY DESCRIPTION |TAX SUBDIVISIONS |MAP NUMBER CARD NO
___________________________________ ______________________________ ____________________ __________________ __
LAUREAN CESAR A & CHRISTINA S |MILL POND MEA 1 L2 |JACKSONVILLE TWP | 327A 36, 1
| | |RECORD NUMBER:. 42982
103 MEADOW TRAIL |S/F 327 25 | |ROUTE 22320023
JACKSONVILLE NC 28546 | |TEMP-436901 21 |LISTER:KT080904 - 1
DEED:2761 183Q10312006 113000- 7|103 MEADOW TRL | |REVIEW:VL090905
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________
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0 A- :ATUNFGAR:|
: SNG FAML : :|
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__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________
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#|STRUCTURE|SKTCH-SF*STHT= AREA RATE*GRDF+HEAT+EXWL*WLHT=ADJRAT* AREA= RPCN* DEPF*CNDF=STR-VALUE
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A| 1CSNG FAML| 1095|1.00| 1095| 59.02| |3.00| | | 62.02| 1095| 67912| 0.78| | 52971
| 2.00 BATHS| | | | | | | | 2850.00| | 5700| 0.78| | 4446
| 1 FIREPLACE | | | | | | | 1150.00| | 1150| 0.78| | 897
| 1 CHIMNEYS| | | | | | | | 1150.00| | 1150| 0.78| | 897
*|89 COVPATIO| 20|1.00| 20| 10.30| | | | | 10.30| 20| 206| 0.78| | 161
C|84 PATIO | 144|1.00| 144| 2.89| | | | | 2.89| 144| 416| 0.78| | 324
D|77 ATUNFGAR| 324|1.00| 324| 18.68| | |0.00| | 18.68| 324| 6052| 0.78| | 4721
________ ______ ________ ________
1095HSF, 1583TSF RPCN- 75.42/HSF 82586 VALU- 58.83/HSF 64417
STRUCTURE VALUE: 64417
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________
VALUATION| VALUE|PREV-VAL.|P-N%| SALE|S-N%| TOTAL VALUE 86107
_______________________________________ _________ ____ ________ ____
LAND | | | 20000| 7000|285%|QUALFIED| | 42007LV/AC
OTHERFEAT| | | 1690| 1749| 96%|10312006| |
STRUCTURE| | | 64417| 57107|112%|2761-183| | 78TV/HSF
TOTAL | | | 86107| 65856|130%| 113000| 76%| 103SP/HSF
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________
APPRAISED-VALUE: 86107
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

:) Not Mexican surnames hinman, Hispanic. Many countries have Hispanic surnames. [/*]oops sorry Ivy thanks for the correction.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Yeah, starting today I have to do the bloodsugars 3 x a day.
Got that new meter. no blood in my arm, who knew? New meter: use on arms- "less painless!"- so I have to stick my finger. Seriously, could get no blood from arm!!!!:rolleyes: [/*]

How about the other thing in your arm?

Are you sticking your fingers on the side and not directly in the middle? When I had to do that, I found my fingers didn't hurt as bad when done on the sides.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I have decided that I am going to preface my 3 plus theory outline.. LOL.. to Captain Sutherland with a major disclaimer. That being, that we don't have basic communications evidence, etc, to determine some of the crucial events in this case.

Otherwise I will look like an idiot. How do they expect us to theorize without access to this data?

I think I need that banging head icon.. hammer [/*]

I don't think you'll look like an idiot.

Hey I've read COUNTLESS theories on this forum already, and not just on the "Theories" thread, and NO ONE has access to communications evidence. And RS knows we don't.

Lack of access hasn't stifled the theories thus far.....:o

I never made one because I'm just not comfortable in not any one (or even a few) without more info. There are certain things I BELIEVE, but not enough to make a complete theory. So I just pass on that.....

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by hinman
oops sorry Ivy thanks for the correction. [/*]
YW, and NP hinman.........

Hugs

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

:) And the Property Tax records say 1095 sq.ft. Notice it says:

DWELLING RANCH C *1984 AVERAGE CONDITION
============================================

<snipped>

[/*]

So much for our apprasial team! They aren't very observant or can't figure well. :D

MW, what is considered Average Condition? Is that for the condition now as the house was built in 1984? I just wondering how they come up with that.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


So much for our apprasial team! They aren't very observant or can't figure well. :D

MW, what is considered Average Condition? Is that for the condition now as the house was built in 1984? I just wondering how they come up with that. [/*]
I THINK (notice I said I THINK) that was the condition upon sale to the Laurean's.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I don't think you'll look like an idiot.

Hey I've read COUNTLESS theories on this forum already, and not just on the "Theories" thread, and NO ONE has access to communications evidence. And RS knows we don't.

Lack of access hasn't stifled the theories thus far.....:o

I never made one because I'm just not comfortable in not any one (or even a few) without more info. There are certain things I BELIEVE, but not enough to make a complete theory. So I just pass on that..... [/*]

I agree, Savannah.. which is why I have never posted a theory on the theories thread. However, given this opportunity to send something to Captain Sutherland, I feel obligated to formulate my thoughts into some sort of cohesive pattern.

But, I say pattern because there is no way we can eliminate certain variables. So, my theories will be a lot of if-then-therefore kind of statements....

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


<snipped>
Wilford Brimley won't let me in the club, boo hoo

SORRY EVERYONE OT won't happen again [/*]

Need help getting into the club? It might be worked out that he will give you a key personally. :eek:

I also apologize for the O/T.

Now back to the same bat channel, same bat time.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


SORRY EVERYONE OT won't happen again
~snipped[/*]
No need to apologize, I was very interested for personal reasons.

Excuse my cont'd O/T everyone :)

[gaelicpeas]

I would like to try to come up with a 3-theory outline that encompasses all of our thoughts.... rape, no rape, friendly relations, no relations, CL as murderer, CSL as murderer, CSL not involved at all, CSL only involved in escape and or cover-up.. hitmen/others... adoption/keep baby.. etc, etc..

lol.. I think I have my day off tomorrow filled!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


So much for our apprasial team! They aren't very observant or can't figure well. :D

MW, what is considered Average Condition? Is that for the condition now as the house was built in 1984? I just wondering how they come up with that. [/*]

it's just a typical house here. not fancy, not upgraded, not falling apart. it really is the average home here. it was the condition when the new tax record was filed. jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I THINK (notice I said I THINK) that was the condition upon sale to the Laurean's. [/*]

And that's because the way the previous owner's maintained the house. It was obvious from those rut-roh pictures.

I know when I was researching all the previous owners, there was a few. I couldn't go all the way back, because the R of D's office only goes so far back.

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I would like to try to come up with a 3-theory outline that encompasses all of our thoughts.... rape, no rape, friendly relations, no relations, CL as murderer, CSL as murderer, CSL not involved at all, CSL only involved in escape and or cover-up.. hitmen/others... adoption/keep baby.. etc, etc..

lol.. I think I have my day off tomorrow filled! [/*]Wonderful idea gaelic. I am like SS I don't have a specific theory or enough info to really have a definite theory though I lean towards a few things.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


well apparently there went the neighborhood then, because looks like the neighbors (which one should I pick- the ones on one side with the PURPLE house or Wanda next door with...well, just Wanda next door, and her hubby who is just goin' in the house now while national TV is on the front lawn, so he can wait for his supper...come on now, girl! Git on in here now, and get supper goin'! :D

Love them good old boys got one of them myself.

But the home values in that area of the n'hood couldn't have been that great if the house in its good looking condition was in the 90k range (a little below) or is that what the average price is for a house in that neighborhood, if so I might be moving afterall... [/*]
Okay, now you've got me laughing. Still have that video in my head and he wasn't even HER MR, but man she keep looking at him for approval didn't she :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
Wonderful idea gaelic. I am like SS I don't have a specific theory or enough info to really have a definite theory though I lean towards a few things. [/*]

yeah... I am thinking I don't want to present my theory as an "agenda" as such.. rather, I would like to represent all of our thoughts and possibilities...

The only way I can see to do that is to present a few, maybe 3, "basic" theories, with spin-offs as possibilities...

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by marinewife5


it's just a typical house here. not fancy, not upgraded, not falling apart. it really is the average home here. it was the condition when the new tax record was filed. jmo [/*]

And too they probably considered the area where the house is located.

Luckily they didn't get zapped like a lot of us did when they re-evaluated! I know our property values went up over 200%! It was a good thing I was sitting down when I opened that envelope, LOL.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And that's because the way the previous owner's maintained the house. It was obvious from those rut-roh pictures.

I know when I was researching all the previous owners, there was a few. I couldn't go all the way back, because the R of D's office only goes so far back.

JMO [/*]

Yes, it was well maintained.

Donna, if you're reading, get to cleaning. You're a gem and have a good night.

I'm out peeps. :seeya:

JMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
watch this- its like frygatin' magic I tell you-

LYNN GWEENY- do you have the link to the video of Wanda being interviewed where the guy with her says I'm going back in the house now...in the early days of the case- [/*]

LOL! I know, Annie, sometimes I feel like Lynn is like the magic genie.. just rub the vase and she appears!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


OT Plea: If anyone sees that commercial where he says get your diabetic testing supplies if you have medicare...could you please get the 800# for me? $99 for 100 strips ain't cuttin' it here. TIA. [/*]
Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zkwg5WpS9Q

[Maka]

I checked the family court (divorce) records
(Lost Wages - Clark county) and found nothing for the parents under all the maternal and paternal last names that might list both first names in common...but didn't see any. moo

If they live in another county now, I don't know...but that's the deal for now.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


OT Plea: If anyone sees that commercial where he says get your diabetic testing supplies if you have medicare...could you please get the 800# for me? $99 for 100 strips ain't cuttin' it here. TIA. [/*]

1-800-963-6508

And

https://www.diabetic-testing-supplies.com/default.jsp?media=overture&keyword=NEW_-_Liberty_Branded--Liberty_-_Performance--liberty_medical_supplies--A&pn=1-800-963-6508

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zkwg5WpS9Q [/*]

(and you also will receive votes for the magic genie!)

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
watch this- its like frygatin' magic I tell you-

LYNN GWEENY- do you have the link to the video of Wanda being interviewed where the guy with her says I'm going back in the house now...in the early days of the case- [/*]

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/22/what-did-cesar-laureans-neighbor-see/comment-page-2/

[mini-me]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Okay.. so these are my basic 3 theories:

1. ML was raped and eventually abducted and forced to do everything (note, ATM, bus ticket, etc)

(but why the baby clothing?)

2. ML had consensual sex, then filed a false rape allegation because she was upset CL was married.

3. ML was raped (or not), then there was some ensuing discussion between ML and CL.. and somehow she went to his house willingly and then there are multiple possibilities.

Can anyone think of any possible other scenarios other than these 3 basic ones? I realize each one can have multiple spin-offs, but are these the basic three? [/*]I Like no. 1 and I will think on it tonight and tomorrow I will let you what I have. I believe she was abducted.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
watch this- its like frygatin' magic I tell you-

LYNN GWEENY- do you have the link to the video of Wanda being interviewed where the guy with her says I'm going back in the house now...in the early days of the case- [/*]
I'm not Lynn, but here it is...........two videos
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/22/what-did-cesar-laureans-neighbor-see/

oops, sorry, see Lynn got it *4 me :)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka
I checked the family court (divorce) records
(Lost Wages - Clark county) and found nothing for the parents under all the maternal and paternal last names that might list both first names in common...but didn't see any. moo

If they live in another county now, I don't know...but that's the deal for now. [/*]

thanks, Maka...

my inclination, and it is pure speculation, is that they (CL's parents) are still together, but for some reason the house purchases are in her name. JMO

(also given what LLE said about his family)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


1-800-963-6508

And

https://www.diabetic-testing-supplies.com/default.jsp?media=overture&keyword=NEW_-_Liberty_Branded--Liberty_-_Performance--liberty_medical_supplies--A&pn=1-800-963-6508 [/*]

(dang, how many magic genies do we have here? LOL... good job, Nuttin)

on a side note, I have no links, so I will never be confused with the magic genie.. :D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/22/what-did-cesar-laureans-neighbor-see/comment-page-2/ [/*]

yee haw.. thanks, Lynn!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by mini-me
I Like no. 1 and I will think on it tonight and tomorrow I will let you what I have. I believe she was abducted. [/*]

thanks, Mini.. the baby clothing is the only thing that has me wondering on this theory..

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


OH YOU SO ROCK!!!!!

Couldn't think of the dang name Liberty Medical- thanks so much- [/*]

YW AB.

Brimley is always on my tv when I watch Judge Judy! :tongue:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


I picture her with about 5 computer screens, and a bell tied on a string on each one, and everytime we type in LYNN, LYNN GWEENY or GWEENY it rings one of the little bells and she ssssllllliiiiddddeeeesss her chair across the rooms and ZAP provides the link, and on to the next bell.....LOL [/*]

LOL! We love ya, Lynn!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


:D x100,000 to Lynn- you go, girl and thanks!! [/*]
Well gosh, I even looked up the Wilford Brimley video link for ya...............feeling like chopped liver here :(

:D

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


thanks, Maka...

my inclination, and it is pure speculation, is that they (CL's parents) are still together, but for some reason the house purchases are in her name. JMO

(also given what LLE said about his family) [/*]

I wonder who the female was that answered the phone at their house and said we aren't being told the whole story (paraphrased of course)?

1-Elvira or ever how you spell her name (and when I see her name I always think of the Oak Ridge Boys singing Elvira!)
2-Blanca
3-Who knows?
4-Who cares?

[gaelicpeas]

Kudos to all of our queens!

Lynn, the link queen.

Ivy, the pic queen.

Nuttin, the local queen.

Thank you all so much for your input.. it has been invaluable, IMO.

Oh yeah, and to mw5, caejde, and strick.. the Marine connection!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I wonder who the female was that answered the phone at their house and said we aren't being told the whole story (paraphrased of course)?

1-Elvira or ever how you spell her name (and when I see her name I always think of the Oak Ridge Boys singing Elvira!)
2-Blanca
3-Who knows?
4-Who cares? [/*]
Or maybe a sister inlaw :shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Well gosh, I even looked up the Wilford Brimley video link for ya...............feeling like chopped liver here :(

:D [/*]

So if you are chopped liver then that makes me the chicken gizzards! :eek:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I wonder who the female was that answered the phone at their house and said we aren't being told the whole story (paraphrased of course)?

1-Elvira or ever how you spell her name (and when I see her name I always think of the Oak Ridge Boys singing Elvira!)
2-Blanca
3-Who knows?
4-Who cares? [/*]

I have a vague recollection of an early article saying it was Elvira that answered the phone.. JMO, no link.. :D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


So if you are chopped liver then that makes me the chicken gizzards! :eek: [/*]
I love chicken gizzards myself. Wish I was still able to eat them :)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I have a vague recollection of an early article saying it was Elvira that answered the phone.. JMO, no link.. :D [/*]
IIRC it said an unknown female.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

IITRC it said an unknown female. [/*]

recent articles I have seen said it was an unknown female.. but I have this vague memory from way back that the first reference said it was his mother.

JMO.. and of course no link :D

<--- no link queen

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


thanks, Mini.. the baby clothing is the only thing that has me wondering on this theory.. [/*]I was leaning towards that theory and then the baby clothing kinda through a kink in it.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


OT Plea: If anyone sees that commercial where he says get your diabetic testing supplies if you have medicare...could you please get the 800# for me? $99 for 100 strips ain't cuttin' it here. TIA. [/*]

I have seen that commercial several times, AnnieBean; I will keep an eye out for that # for you!

eta: Now I see Ivy Sterling already got it for you! That was fast!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
I was leaning towards that theory and then the baby clothing kinda through a kink in it. [/*]

yeah.. I agree.. that really has me reconsidering a few things..

I posted the other day whether there was monogramming on the baby clothing that said "Daddy's little boy" and got no response. Maybe that was offensive? I dunno. I was just trying to think of reasons why that baby clothing would be there.....

(I wasn't trying to be offensive)

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Well gosh, I even looked up the Wilford Brimley video link for ya...............feeling like chopped liver here

:D [/*]Don't let em fool ya your the bestest:rose:









along with all our link queens

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/22/what-did-cesar-laureans-neighbor-see/comment-page-2/ [/*]

That WAS magic!

[Jan Powell]

IMO, the girly thing of finding out where he lived happened way back when Maria had her first inklings he was married. I think she went to his house ONE last time; whether to tell him she was leaving town and keeping her child or that she tried to drop the allegations and couldn't, I'm not sure.

I also think any association between the two stopped on May 12th when he was told of her allegations. (I can't get past having a relationship of any type with someone that accused and filed assault allegations against another person. I also know that could be the bizarre twist in this saga too.)

IMO, it ended in her death because of youth, rage, jealousy and the wrath of a wife. If only the ME had been able to determine that the throat cut was post mortem (other than MAY have been post mortem) I could probably eliminate half of my theory.

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


yeah.. I agree.. that really has me reconsidering a few things..

I posted the other day whether there was monogramming on the baby clothing that said "Daddy's little boy" and got no response. Maybe that was offensive? I dunno. I was just trying to think of reasons why that baby clothing would be there.....

(I wasn't trying to be offensive)

JMO [/*]I didn't take offense to it. Pretty good question.

I am usually not offended unless someone gets personal.