Sunday .. 03-16-08 .. a.m.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Babes



FYI: The interest to see Christina's picture is not only expressed in CTV's board but in many boards like websleuths and etc
:D [/*]

This is true and I certainly hope the poster who said it was a "prurient" interest simply didn't know the definition of that word, because that would be very insulting and offensive to many people on many boards to be described in that fashion.

[Babes]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Babes and I mean this as no disrespect---MW5's husband is very good friends with CSL's recruiter. IIRC that's how MW5 saw the picture of CSL. MW5 also said the recruiter wouldn't let her take the picture and scan it for us to see.

I also know who MW5 is in RL, not that makes any difference here and now but if she said she saw a picture, I tend to believe her.

JMO FWIW [/*]

Hi Nuttintodo

I am not saying MW5 is wrong or any of you guys are totally wrong - but just like some posters here - I just want to see the link to the picture to totally agree

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Babes



FYI: The interest to see Christina's picture is not only expressed in CTV's board but in many boards like websleuths and etc
:D [/*]

Ask me what I think of websleuths.

No.......don't.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Babes



FYI: The interest to see Christina's picture is not only expressed in CTV's board but in many boards like websleuths and etc
:D [/*]I understand why they don't post it. But I will admit that if it ever was posted I would be the first to look:D

No shame here.

[donna]

I was one of the ones that wanted to see Christina's pic out of sheer curiousity as well as nosiness! Gotta tell the truth about it!

I have not actually cared for some time now whether or not I see a pic of her, and I do not even know why I no longer care!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Sami


ITA.

SS has evidently forgotten how badly she wanted to see a picture of Christina at one time.

And I agree, the word is incorrect for the interest we have shown, or are still showing.

I doubt SS would admit to ever being sexually interested in Christina's pic -- but I hope she remembers she was, at one time, interested in seeing what she looked like. IMO [/*]

Sami I don't honestly remember ever being "badly" interested in seeing a pic of Christina. :confused:

Far as I know, I was always on the defensive of LE etc. NOT showing her pic anywhere.

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by Sami


ITA.

SS has evidently forgotten how badly she wanted to see a picture of Christina at one time.

And I agree, the word is incorrect for the interest we have shown, or are still showing.

I doubt SS would admit to ever being sexually interested in Christina's pic -- but I hope she remembers she was, at one time, interested in seeing what she looked like. IMO [/*]

I'd like to see a picture of CSL, Sami...just to "put a face to the name."
I fail to see how that could be any more prurient than discussing the possible reasons for ML's pants being missing. Sheesh! imo

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by alter ego


Thanks for the updates CandyKisses [/*]

Ditto on that. Please give GB my regards. Her daughter is in my thoughts and prayers! :rose:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by hinman
SS you and Chicky both have stood up for Christina for as long as I have been here.

Well I mean stood up for her rights. In case any one takes offensive or reads something into that. [/*]

Well I not only stick up for her rights, but also believe she is absolutely innocent in all this mess. And....far as I can recall, I've NEVER been eager to see her photo. I think Sami's dreamin.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn



I fail to see how that could be any more prurient than discussing the possible reasons for ML's pants being missing. Sheesh! imo [/*]



Good Afternoon Ion,

Maybe her pants is missing because she's not wearin her own pants that time and the owner took it back IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Sami


You definitely did want to see a picture for yourself, though. Not sure about the quantity of interest or how much interest equals 'badly', but the posts are still there if anyone has enough prurient interest to look them up.

(I hope you'll also admit the adjective was a wrong one to use, SS ).:chicken: [/*]

No I don't admit it.

I get THIS definition:

marked by or arousing an immoderate or unwholesome interest or desire

I see those who wanted to see her pic as having an "unwholesome" interest, yes.

And I was never one of them. YOU can look up the posts and share them if you wish. You won't find any.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by alter ego


Thanks for the updates CandyKisses [/*]

You're welcome.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Yes, I most certainly do.

How did you get involved in this?

Because I do not even remember you being in my thoughts when I posted about wanting to see the picture.:( [/*]

:biggrin:

I bet yah - if her picture will be released the number 1 source of click are from CTV :biggrin:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes



FYI: The interest to see Christina's picture is not only expressed in CTV's board but in many boards like websleuths and etc
:D [/*]

Babes, while we are talking about each other, how do you keep sliding in and out of here then going missing for weeks on end?

'hammer

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Yes, I most certainly do.

How did you get involved in this?

Because I do not even remember you being in my thoughts when I posted about wanting to see the picture.:( [/*]

You responded to my post, that's how I got involved.

Furthermore, as has been pointed out many times here, anyone may respond to any post.

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Babes, while we are talking about each other, how do you keep sliding in and out of here then going missing for weeks on end?

'hammer [/*]

Hey

I spent couple weeks in the Philippines last February and when i came back to work i got bombarded by too much pending jobs while currently trying to take advantage of the house bubble and looking for another house for investments - I am leaving again for Europe this 2nd week of april so am trying to beat all my deadlines while i post here from time to time :)

Nice to see you again Candy :seeya:

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Jas.S
Wait.

Wait a second.

Who is saying that prurient has anything to do with sexual?

http://www.yourdictionary.com/prurient
prurient Usage Examples Modifies a noun

interest: Blood and gore sells, arousing an almost prurient interest in casual readers.
curiosity: A delightfully sticky pudding of fear, fun, voyeurism, prurient curiosity and downright bad taste.
nature: First of all, they both got rich from never underestimating the prurient nature of the average punter.
news: Ron Davies, my friend, was now an item of prurient international news.

I completletely stand by the use of the word. [/*]

The definition I posted was from American Heritage dictionary; link is in my post upthread.

[hinman]

So did the autopsy sway anyone to a certain theory or confirm anyone's theory?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Babes


Hey

I spent couple weeks in the Philippines last February and when i came back to work i got bombarded by too much pending jobs while currently trying to take advantage of the house bubble and looking for another house for investments - I am leaving again for Europe this 2nd week of april so am trying to beat all my deadlines while i post here from time to time :)

Nice to see you again Candy :seeya: [/*]

Be safe Babes. I miss all your great links and hope you'll be around for trial time in this case.

Kel65 is a little research demon now too! :seeya:

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Jas.S
Wait.

Wait a second.

Who is saying that prurient has anything to do with sexual?

http://www.yourdictionary.com/prurient
prurient Usage Examples Modifies a noun

interest: Blood and gore sells, arousing an almost prurient interest in casual readers.
curiosity: A delightfully sticky pudding of fear, fun, voyeurism, prurient curiosity and downright bad taste.
nature: First of all, they both got rich from never underestimating the prurient nature of the average punter.
news: Ron Davies, my friend, was now an item of prurient international news.

I completletely stand by the use of the word. [/*]

You didn't post the definition from your link. You only showed the part where they explain how it may be used in language.

prurient Definition pru¡¤ri¡¤ent (pro̵or¡ä¨¥ ənt)

adjective

having or expressing lustful ideas or desires
tending to excite lust; lascivious; lewd
Rare: itching

http://www.yourdictionary.com/prurient

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
So did the autopsy sway anyone to a certain theory or confirm anyone's theory? [/*]

Didn't sway nor confirm any of mine, all 3. But it has allowed me to think a bit more about my theories. How 'bout yourself hinman?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
So did the autopsy sway anyone to a certain theory or confirm anyone's theory? [/*]

It didn't per se sway me or change my mind about anything, but it certainly brought a harsh reality to a heinous crime for me.

It gave me a few more questions and I was so taken back reading it, I didn't even think about certain articles of clothing missing at first until another poster brought it up.

I am right where I was wondering if there was someone else involved as it seems like an awful lot of horror for a short period of time.

JMO tho. :(

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


Didn't sway nor confirm any of mine, all 3. But it has allowed me to think a bit more about my theories. How 'bout yourself hinman? [/*] Nah it didn't sway me one way or the other on my theories. Though the baby clothing article did get me thinking.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
Nah it didn't sway me one way or the other on my theories. Though the baby clothing article did get me thinking. [/*]

YES, I forgot, the baby clothing brought me back full circle in one of my past theories. But then I realized it was a bit irrational....and when nothing makes sense, there is something that does make sense. ;) JMO tho.

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


YES, I forgot, the baby clothing brought me back full circle in one of my past theories. But then I realized it was a bit irrational....and when nothing makes sense, there is something that does make sense. ;) JMO tho. [/*]Very true CK. I have been trying to apply that to my theories but none of them make sense no matter which way I put it.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Jas.S
I think the fact that the neck wound was superficial did sway me a bit on my theory. [/*]I forgot about that Jas.

I don't know if it swayed me but that also got me thinking.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
So did the autopsy sway anyone to a certain theory or confirm anyone's theory? [/*]

Hasn't swayed me one way or the other.

I am still astounded as to how one human being can desecrate another human being's body like this.

The fool (allegedly) simply rolled Maria's body in a shallow grave, put dirt over her and then proceeded to have bonfires and/or cookouts over her body is waaaay out there for me.

And I'm still stuck on the fact that no one even smelled Maria and her unborn baby burning and if they did notice it, why wasn't anything said?

Can you imagine the horror of the people, who attended and the neighbor's, when they found out that Maria's body was there and how the attendees must feel now since they were served food that was cooked over her body?

Oh my I can't even begin to imagine!

ETA: I do think the presence of the baby clothes was making a point---like to heck with you and your baby!

JMO

And thanks hinman!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Jas.S
I think the fact that the neck wound was superficial did sway me a bit on my theory. [/*]

How so, if you don't mind sharing?

That did intrigue me too, but I am too torn about when a second party might have been involved and how.

jmo

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Be safe Babes. I miss all your great links and hope you'll be around for trial time in this case.

Kel65 is a little research demon now too! :seeya: [/*]


Thanks Candykisses

There is no doubt that Cesar is a Guilty Party here - but i am interested to really know if Christina is part of this or not . Part of me says, she's lying and that's why my curiosity is on her - because i do believe that she knows more than what she's talking and doing.

I do believe that the letters that was sent from Houston Texas to Christina that was stopped by LE was letters they ( cesar and Christina ) pre-made to stage their story and keep Christina out of the scene. These people are not stupid. Cesar knew that LE will investigate everything - and he has to send her a letter couple days after he disappeared? Yaiks - these stuff are more like 'staging " for me IMO

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Jas.S


I know. I saw that.

But it is certainly not the entire meaning and not as it was used. [/*]

That's the exact point. However WE as individual posters MEANT "prurient" is how we wanted our posts to be understood. In no way was I meaning that anyone interested in seeing Christina's photo was interested in a sexual way. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by hinman
So did the autopsy sway anyone to a certain theory or confirm anyone's theory? [/*]

I don't have a theory per se, although there are certain things I believe.

The autopsy did nothing for me......the only thing that surprised me and had me curious was the item of baby clothing. That's it. That's all.

[hinman]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Hasn't swayed me one way or the other.

I am still astounded as to how one human being can desecrate another human being's body like this.

The fool (allegedly) simply rolled Maria's body in a shallow grave, put dirt over her and then proceeded to have bonfires and/or cookouts over her body is waaaay out there for me.

And I'm still stuck on the fact that no one even smelled Maria and her unborn baby burning and if they did notice it, why wasn't anything said?

Can you imagine the horror of the people, who attended and the neighbor's, when they found out that Maria's body was there and how the attendees must feel now since they were served food that was cooked over her body?

Oh my I can't even begin to imagine!

ETA: I do think the presence of the baby clothes was making a point---like to heck with you and your baby!

JMO

And thanks hinman! [/*]Nuttin everything you said I feel to. Just sickening to think about the people who attended that bonfire I bet they have a few choice words for CL.

I have never understood how no one smelled that. I have asked that since the article first appeared. I am not sure how they can notice vultures flying over but not the smell.


I think if this ever goes to trial Mary better have some close friends by her side because the things done to her daughter were absolutely horrible. I just can't imagine having to sit and listen to it.

[Babes]

Originally posted by old_lady



Not really. I never thought Maria was sexually assaulted again. It never entered my mind. The fact she had no clothes from her waist down including shoes and they weren't even thrown in the pit is the most shocking thing to me in the report.

jmoo [/*]


Good Point.

[hinman]

Originally posted by old_lady



Not really. I never thought Maria was sexually assaulted again. It never entered my mind. The fact she had no clothes from her waist down including shoes and they weren't even thrown in the pit is the most shocking thing to me in the report.

jmoo [/*]another shocking thing for me to.
Were you surprised about the baby clothing?

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by hinman
Nuttin everything you said I feel to. Just sickening to think about the people who attended that bonfire I bet they have a few choice words for CL.

I have never understood how no one smelled that. I have asked that since the article first appeared. I am not sure how they can notice vultures flying over but not the smell.


I think if this ever goes to trial Mary better have some close friends by her side because the things done to her daughter were absolutely horrible. I just can't imagine having to sit and listen to it. [/*]

I always thought what the lady said about vultures was one of those dramatic comments people sometimes make in the aftermath of an incident. I think she said that after having heard what went on in that pit and maybe her mind went in all sorts of directions, I know mine would.

But somehow I just don't think there were vultures circling there; if that had happened then surely neighbors would have smelled an odor, I would think. (I remember in the first of the case people on the boards were talking about a report of someone having smelled something, but I never saw a link on that.)

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady



Not really as far as my theory except I never thought Maria was sexually assaulted again the day of her death. It never entered my mind. The fact she had no clothes from her waist down including shoes and they weren't even thrown in the pit is the most shocking thing to me in the report.

jmoo [/*]

Odd you should say this, old_lady, because in your post of 03/16/2008 (this morning), you state that: "these clothes were gone and that points to another sexual assualt to me"

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


I always thought what the lady said about vultures was one of those dramatic comments people sometimes make in the aftermath of an incident. I think she said that after having heard what went on in that pit and maybe her mind went in all sorts of directions, I know mine would.

But somehow I just don't think there were vultures circling there; if that had happened then surely neighbors would have smelled an odor, I would think. (I remember in the first of the case people on the boards were talking about a report of someone having smelled something, but I never saw a link on that.) [/*]

You know Barbra, I had the same thought when the neighbor made that comment too. Our minds do have a tendency to race when you are faced with the fact that a neighbor murdered, buried and burned a body in their backyard.

But then someone else that lives in that area (I can't remember who, so I said someone) said it wasn't uncommon to see vultures flying around to begin with. I know where I live it's not uncommon to see vultures flying overhead but my area is over run with deer, foxes, stray dogs/cats, etc., and that's probably why the other person made their comment about the vultures not being uncommon in the Half Moon area. And Gum Branch Road is a heavily traveled road so it wouldn't be uncommon for a dog or cat, possum, etc. to get run over on that road.

JMO

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by donna
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by old_lady



Not really as far as my theory except I never thought Maria was sexually assaulted again the day of her death. It never entered my mind. The fact she had no clothes from her waist down including shoes and they weren't even thrown in the pit is the most shocking thing to me in the report.

jmoo [/*]
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Odd you should say this, old_lady, because in your post of 03/16/2008 (this morning), you state that: "these clothes were gone and that points to another sexual assualt to me" [/*]

That's the same thing she's saying now, IMO.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Jas.S
http://health.howstuffworks.com/autopsy4.htm

When the body is received in a body bag, the seals of the bag are broken and the body is photographed inside the bag. In a forensic autopsy, it is important at this stage for the medical examiner to note the clothing of the deceased and the position of the clothing. This is because once the clothing is removed for the examination, any evidence pertaining to the position of the clothing cannot be documented.
=========

Which is why the ME saying that the clothes were on top of the body means just that. [/*]Thanks for that.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Jas.S
I am going to have to ask someone who knows more about forensic autopsies in general, and this one in particular.

But as to questions upthread about the ME sending out the melted bag for "forensics." I don't think that would ever happen.

That is not the ME's job.

http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/ocme/

snipped[/*]
What does Maryland's rules have to do with the ME in this case?

The Chief Medical Examiner or the county medical examiner is
authorized to inspect and copy the medical records of the
decedent whose death is under investigation. In addition, in an
investigation conducted pursuant to this Article, the Chief
Medical Examiner or the county medical examiner is authorized to
inspect all physical evidence and documents which may be relevant
to determining the cause and manner of death of the person whose
death is under investigation, including decedent's personal
possessions associated with the death, clothing, weapons, tissue
and blood samples, cultures, medical equipment, X rays and other
medical images. The Chief Medical Examiner or county medical
examiner is further authorized to seek an administrative search
warrant pursuant to G.S. 15-27.2 for the purpose of carrying out
the duties imposed under this Article

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/rules/chp130a.html#PID

[donna]

Originally posted by Charlotte


That's the same thing she's saying now, IMO. [/*]

Not the way I read the first sentence. IMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by Charlotte


That's the same thing she's saying now, IMO. [/*]Yes it is I think donna interpreted it wrong. She is saying that the thought never enter her mind until the autopsy.

[hinman]

Originally posted by alter ego

What does Maryland's rules have to do with the ME in this case?

snipped;

http://www.ocme.unc.edu/rules/chp130a.html#PID [/*]

Thanks alter ego. I didn't even notice the other link was from Maryland.

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami


donna, with all due respect, I think Old-Lady meant she was shocked -- but I can see where you misread that. [/*]I miss read it to at first until Charollette pointed it out. :cool:

[donna]

Ok, if I misread your post, old_lady, I apologize. And I am sincere when I say that.

I just cannot believe that Maria was sexually assualted on the day of the murder. Just last week a coed was murdered and left in the road. She was nude from the waist down, but it was determined that there was no sexual assault.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
I miss read it to at first until Charollette pointed it out. :cool: [/*]

Thank you, hinman.

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Thanks. Except for the fact that my back is "out"...quite well!

It just seems to me that everything Mrs. Lauterbach said was after Maria was dead. I, for one, see no need to excoriate her now. Nothing to do with "rewriting history" either. Mary and Maria's history came to an end on Dec. 14th. :( [/*]
Isn't that the truth..

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


Thank you, hinman. [/*]donna you are the sweetest. I am sure the poster knows your apology is sincere.

My old eyes play tricks on me. I never would of caught it if the poster did not point it out.

[CanCan]

Originally posted by Maka


I think you're absolutely right!

(I know I've done my share of "fuming" over this. :flamemad: ) [/*]

:lol: Good one, Maka!

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami
Hinman -- I continue to say that the autopsy report left me saddened that the decomposition was such, that paternity, sex of the Baby couldn't be easily determined.

Also, I was hoping that more might have been said to ensure that the death was from bludgeoning, since I think Cesar's defense will be the death was from suicide.

I did not find the clothes disturbing. Since she weighed only 95 pounds and was barely four feet tall (the results of burning and decomposition), I certainly didn't expect her to be fully clothed as if her body hadn't been through a fiery he** of its own.

It left me sad and sickened by 'man's inhumanity to man'. . . . [/*]Sami it did me to. It really made it a reality for me and some of the details were pretty sickening. It is sad that we will never really know the true sex of Maria's baby ( I should say her family).


Quick question, were they not able to get DNA from the baby? Does that mean the question will never be answered?

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by donna
Ok, if I misread your post, old_lady, I apologize. And I am sincere when I say that.

I just cannot believe that Maria was sexually assualted on the day of the murder. Just last week a coed was murdered and left in the road. She was nude from the waist down, but it was determined that there was no sexual assault. [/*]

No sexual assault, or no rape? There's a distinction.
I'd say that rendering her nude from the waist down is in itself a sexual assault, just not one that leaves forensic evidence. IMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by Sami


I just assumed they got DNA, since there was a hand intact, I believe :( . I assumed the M.E. sent it to the MC for matching with Cesar's DNA that they have on file, but I could be wrong.

The question will be answered, imo, as to whether or not the Baby is Cesar's. He wasn't able to totally get rid of all the Baby's DNA, imo, and from reading the autopsy report. [/*]Good Just making sure. I really didn't know if the baby was to burned to get a DNA sample.

[donna]

Originally posted by Charlotte


No sexual assault, or no rape? There's a distinction.
I'd say that rendering her nude from the waist down is in itself a sexual assault, just not one that leaves forensic evidence. IMO [/*]

It is just my opinion that there was no sexual assault on the day of Maria and Gabriels murder.

I misread a post and got the board off track. I have apologized for that. I do not, however, apologize for my opinion.

:) ... no offense meant to anyone!

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Charlotte


No sexual assault, or no rape? There's a distinction.
I'd say that rendering her nude from the waist down is in itself a sexual assault, just not one that leaves forensic evidence. IMO [/*]

Good point and welcome to the board Charlotte. :seeya:

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by donna


It is just my opinion that there was no sexual assault on the day of Maria and Gabriels murder.

I misread a post and got the board off track. I have apologized for that. I do not, however, apologize for my opinion.

:) ... no offense meant to anyone! [/*]

I didn't ask you to apologize for your opinon. ;)

I posted my opinion on what you posted about the coed.

No offense meant. :)

[donna]

Originally posted by Charlotte


I didn't ask you to apologize for your opinon. ;)

I posted my opinion on what you posted about the coed.

No offense meant. :) [/*]

OK. Peace

:)

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert


Good point and welcome to the board Charlotte. :seeya: [/*]

Thanks, Regina! :seeya:

[hinman]

Oops sorry Charlotte. I forgot to welcome you.:seeya:

[Maka]

Just wanted to point out CL & CSL's house has a fireplace (as an alternative to tossing things in the trash).

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


I always thought what the lady said about vultures was one of those dramatic comments people sometimes make in the aftermath of an incident. I think she said that after having heard what went on in that pit and maybe her mind went in all sorts of directions, I know mine would.

But somehow I just don't think there were vultures circling there; if that had happened then surely neighbors would have smelled an odor, I would think. (I remember in the first of the case people on the boards were talking about a report of someone having smelled something, but I never saw a link on that.) [/*]
The woman who mentioned the Vultures lived near a wooded area, not one of the Laurean neighbors. Remember in the beginning they were seaching wooded areas, on foot, and ATV's.

As news helicopters buzzed overhead, police kept reporters at a far distance from the search area. Megan Melton, who lives about 100 yards from a wooded area where detectives appeared to be focusing their search, said dozens of vultures had infested the area in the past few weeks
http://tinyurl.com/ywahd6

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by hinman
Oops sorry Charlotte. I forgot to welcome you.:seeya: [/*]

No problem, hinman -- and thanks! :)

[hinman]

Originally posted by Maka
Just wanted to point out CL & CSL's house has a fireplace (as an alternative to tossing things in the trash). [/*]I didn't know that. Hmm thank you Maka.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by hinman
Oops sorry Charlotte. I forgot to welcome you.:seeya: [/*]
Ditto here Charlotte.

I should have done so a week and a half ago when you were posting here with us.

Sorry!

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by donna


Odd you should say this, old_lady, because in your post of 03/16/2008 (this morning), you state that: "these clothes were gone and that points to another sexual assualt to me" [/*]
funny I thought I had read the same thing this morning by the same poster

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The woman who mentioned the Vultures lived near a wooded area, not one of the Laurean neighbors. Remember in the beginning they were seaching wooded areas, on foot, and ATV's.

As news helicopters buzzed overhead, police kept reporters at a far distance from the search area. Megan Melton, who lives about 100 yards from a wooded area where detectives appeared to be focusing their search, said dozens of vultures had infested the area in the past few weeks
http://tinyurl.com/ywahd6 [/*]

Thank you Ivy, I only had a vague memory of that.

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Ditto here Charlotte.

I should have done so a week and a half ago when you were posting here with us.

Sorry! [/*]

Quite all right, Ivy, and thanks for the welcome now! :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


It is just my opinion that there was no sexual assault on the day of Maria and Gabriels murder.

I misread a post and got the board off track. I have apologized for that. I do not, however, apologize for my opinion.

:) ... no offense meant to anyone! [/*]

I thought the same thing from the way it was worded Donna, and was :confused: too.

I don't believe a sexual assault took place December 14th either. I think something went wrong in the heat of the moment and we are still trying to figure out who lost their cool and why from my POV.

Tho I must say, today's post by RS leads me to believe he's thinking a bit like some of us are too. I certainly wouldn't be feeling free as a bird if I read it and was CSL.

JMO tho. ;)

[Charlotte]

Originally posted by Howiefan

funny I thought I had read the same thing this morning by the same poster [/*]

Howiefan,
You did read that post by old lady this morning.
She's saying the same thing now -- her latest post was misinterpreted, is all.
She hasn't changed her stance from this morning. IMO

[Howiefan]

Originally posted by Charlotte


Howiefan,
You did read that post by old lady this morning.
She's saying the same thing now -- her latest post was misinterpreted, is all.
She hasn't changed her stance from this morning. IMO [/*]
thank you Charlotte.. I was going to excuse my last post as I could not find it ..lol... cross eyed I guess

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I thought the same thing from the way it was worded Donna, and was :confused: too.

I don't believe a sexual assault took place December 14th either. I think something went wrong in the heat of the moment and we are still trying to figure out who lost their cool and why from my POV.

Tho I must say, today's post by RS leads me to believe he's thinking a bit like some of us are too. I certainly wouldn't be feeling free as a bird if I read it and was CSL.

JMO tho. ;) [/*]

Yes, it was the way it was worded, CANDY.

I got exactly the same impression you did from what RS said in his message on the newspaper site. The release of the autopsy report has fueled even more disdain from readers on the site toward Christina.

Also, I hope that CAL is somewhere where he can access the exact same page and read it all. I want him to know that everyone thinks he is a depraved monster. He can also see that Christina is not too well thought of.

If anything, I think that CAL is in even deeper hiding now.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by old_lady


This is all to funny. Am I not allowed to post the same opinion on two different threads or two different posts in one day?

Donna, I was about to accept your sincere apology, but now I don't know since you have mentioned your misunderstanding yet again.

jmoo [/*]

It was confusing and has been clarified. There's no harm, no foul IMO. :shrug:

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady


This is all to funny. Am I not allowed to post the same opinion on two different threads or two different posts in one day?

Donna, I was about to accept your sincere apology, but now I don't know since you have mentioned your misunderstanding yet again.

jmoo [/*]

I was merely answering a post!

:seeya:

[IvySterling]

COMPLETELY O/T, but interesting :D

I found some information regarding one MM at:
Hit backpage when you get there, and then type in his name

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/search2

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling
COMPLETELY O/T, but interesting :D

I found some information regarding one MM at:
Hit backpage when you get there, and then type in his name

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/search2 [/*]

Who is MM?

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Who is MM? [/*]
Think neighbor ;)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Do you know if it is gas logs or fire, Maka?

Thx. [/*]
The Property records don't say anthing about the fireplace, but the the "Heatfuel" is listed as electric so wouldn't think it was a gas log FP.

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady


No problem. Even this old lady couldn't get confused that much, but I guess some may confuse easily. :D [/*]

:)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


Yes, it was the way it was worded, CANDY.

I got exactly the same impression you did from what RS said in his message on the newspaper site. The release of the autopsy report has fueled even more disdain from readers on the site toward Christina.

Also, I hope that CAL is somewhere where he can access the exact same page and read it all. I want him to know that everyone thinks he is a depraved monster. He can also see that Christina is not too well thought of.

If anything, I think that CAL is in even deeper hiding now. [/*]

I hope it fuels anger in whoever has been helping him stay afloat as well as anyone who has connections to his family/friends in Mexico.

Just a hope for now, but you never know. It was pretty horrible and someone should want him TURNED IN NOW IMO. :patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Who is MM? [/*]

Found what you were pointing out, gaelicpeas! Been you know where TWO times! Do you know why?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Think neighbor ;) [/*]

oh ok, thanks...

[donna]

Originally posted by donna


Found what you were pointing out, gaelicpeas! Been you know where TWO times! Do you know why? [/*]

I mean IVY!!! - Thanks!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by donna


Found what you were pointing out, gaelicpeas! Been you know where TWO times! Do you know why? [/*]

lol.... I don't know what you are asking??

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Jas.S


I have electric everything except gas heating and gas logs.

It's pretty typical in NC to have gas logs. In some places, it is required by law. [/*]
But it doesn't state Electric and Gas Jas :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by old_lady



Can't sex be determined by DNA? [/*]

Yes, and I read somewhere today or yesterday that some fetal remains were sent off by the ME for DNA testing . (But I don't have a link, so JMO)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by donna


I mean IVY!!! - Thanks! [/*]
LOL, I guess I should have posted the long link
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0768656&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1

[donna]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


lol.... I don't know what you are asking?? [/*]

I meant the post to IVY, but quoted yours! I need to turn the lamp on so I can see what I am doing! I will clean my glasses while I am at it.

I see MM has been incarcerated two times. I was wondering what charges he served time on!

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Think neighbor ;) [/*]Ivy I can't think of his name I thought it was RM.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by IvySterling

LOL, I guess I should have posted the long link
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0768656&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1 [/*]

:eek:

He done stole Wanda's heart!

[donna]

Originally posted by IvySterling

LOL, I guess I should have posted the long link
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0768656&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1 [/*]

Thanks, Ivy!

:eek:

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


:eek:

He done stole Wanda's heart! [/*]

:lol:

[crymeariver2006]

Well add that to the dissection,

Cesar chose to live in a neighborhood surrounded by criminals.

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

LOL, I guess I should have posted the long link
http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/offend1?DOCNUM=0768656&SENTENCEINFO=yes&SHOWPHOTO=no&numtimesin=1 [/*]Thanks Ivy.

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Well add that to the dissection,

Cesar chose to live in a neighborhood surrounded by criminals. [/*]

I wonder how 'helpful' they might have been?

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


I wonder how 'helpful' they might have been? [/*]They did lend him a shovel. :eek:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by hinman
They did lend him a shovel. :eek: [/*]

Reckon it was stolen?

[hinman]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Reckon it was stolen? [/*]Maybe from the home depot:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by donna


I wonder how 'helpful' they might have been? [/*]

Oh no, missy. You get that idea out of your head right this minute.

:punch:

You are just one neighbor away from saying Wanda was involved.

I'm not having it, I tell you!

:D

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by IvySterling

But it doesn't state Electric and Gas Jas :shrug: [/*]

Maybe they used one of those gel fire things if they used the fireplace. (I have never seen one in person, only on HGTV, I've wondered how realistic they look. Sorry for the o/t.)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling
COMPLETELY O/T, but interesting :D

I found some information regarding one MM at:
Hit backpage when you get there, and then type in his name

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/apps/offender/search2 [/*]

Larceny, shoplifting, Larceny (over $200), Manufacture schedule VI (narcotics).

Sounds like he's been a little busy.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna


Thanks, Ivy!

:eek: [/*]

No picture Donna. Can you clean your PM box please?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Larceny, shoplifting, Larceny (over $200), Manufacture schedule VI (narcotics).

Sounds like he's been a little busy.

JMO [/*]

Over $200? That was SOME shovel!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


:eek:

He done stole Wanda's heart! [/*]

Oh my! :eek:

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Oh no, missy. You get that idea out of your head right this minute.

:punch:

You are just one neighbor away from saying Wanda was involved.

I'm not having it, I tell you!

:D [/*]

:biggrin:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
Ivy I can't think of his name I thought it was RM. [/*]

Try Malo instead.

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


No picture Donna. Can you clean your PM box please? [/*]

Cleaning now!

[hinman]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Try Malo instead. [/*]Thanks nuttin. I drew a blank I keep getting him and the other fellow mixed up:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady


I don't understand what this has to do with Maria's murder. [/*]

Nothing right now, but if and when there's a trial the defense is going to make hay with his criminal record.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Yes, and I read somewhere today or yesterday that some fetal remains were sent off by the ME for DNA testing . (But I don't have a link, so JMO) [/*]

You read right gp.

A portion of umbilical cord, a fetal long bone, and two vertebral bodies are removed and preserved as evidence.

...a sample of head hair, fetal material for DNA analysis, and a segment of femur for maternal DNA analysis.

So yes they were collected and sent off for DNA testing (wonder if the Armed Forces Pathology place got some of these or was it all sent to them for testing?).

And here's the link: http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/jxqt6p-lauterbachautopsy1.pdf

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


You read right gp.

A portion of umbilical cord, a fetal long bone, and two vertebral bodies are removed and preserved as evidence.

...a sample of head hair, fetal material for DNA analysis, and a segment of femur for maternal DNA analysis.

So yes they were collected and sent off for DNA testing (wonder if the Armed Forces Pathology place got some of these or was it all sent to them for testing?).

And here's the link: http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/jxqt6p-lauterbachautopsy1.pdf

JMO [/*]

Thanks, Nuttin! I read somewhere else, also, that it was sent to the military for testing.... but as usual, I don't have the link, so JMO!

[nuttintodo]

We can start another thread BUT WE MUST REMAIN ON TOPIC ER CW!

I will try not to go O/T.

GP was right, DNA samples were acquired and sent out for testing.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I hope by now the family has the answers as to paternity and gender.

I still believe Cesar is the father of the child, but would be stunned and even more saddened if he wasn't.

JMO tho.

[Maka]

Here's that article peas

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23...rine/index.html

"The military is performing further tests on a lung tissue sample to determine whether the fetus' lungs contained oxygen, he said."

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Maka
Here's that article peas

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23...rine/index.html

"The military is performing further tests on a lung tissue sample to determine whether the fetus' lungs contained oxygen, he said." [/*]

That sounds as though the MC is leaving the door open to charge CAL with murder in Gabriel's case since the State can't.

Thanks Maka for posting the link.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
I hope by now the family has the answers as to paternity and gender.

I still believe Cesar is the father of the child, but would be stunned and even more saddened if he wasn't.

JMO tho. [/*]

I've already stated that I will literally pass out after my jaw gets up of the floor if CAL isn't the father.

JMO

ETC is to if!

[Maka]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


That sounds as though the MC is leaving the door open to charge CAL with murder in Gabriel's case since the State can't.

Thanks Maka for posting the link.

JMO [/*]

YW I hope with all my heart they can and will prosecute him for Gabriel's death.

btw there's still no pmt shown on S Laurean's ticket since the hearing on 2/26 ... wish we could find out if he's just not paying or if he's "indisposed" due to the investigation.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
We can start another thread BUT WE MUST REMAIN ON TOPIC ER CW!

I will try not to go O/T.[/*]
~above snipped
I also will try not to go O/T, and TY nuttin for starting a new thread!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka
Here's that article peas

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23...rine/index.html

"The military is performing further tests on a lung tissue sample to determine whether the fetus' lungs contained oxygen, he said." [/*]

Oh here is where everybody is!

Thanks, Maka, but for some reason I can't open that link. But from your quote, it sounds like an older article, and IIRC, they determined that the fetal lungs did not contain oxygen.

The article I remember from either today or yesterday was discussing the autopsy report and said that fetal tissue or something was sent to the military for gender and paternity testing. (as usual, I don't have the link, so JMO)

[hinman]

Thanks all for the articles on DNA testing being done. I am pretty positive the baby was CL's. It would just be nice to put that to rest.

Thanks nuttin for starting a new thread. I did not realize the other one got closed.

I will stay on topic.:patriot:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Jas.S
Nuttin--I think that if the fetus's lungs contained oxygen, that would make it a person, legally, under NC law.

Nuttin--did you hear from the reporter, yet?

The more I read about the sheet, the more I think he was right.

Thank you!

from the report:

The following materials are preserved as evidence: all of the clothing, preserved in nylon bags for volatile analysis, the
comforter and sheet, preserved for volatile analysis, [/*]

According to Dewey, if the baby breathed, it is no longer a fetus but a person, under NC Law.

Nope haven't heard back from Allegood so I'll fire off another one to him tomorrow.

I think the autopsy report is open for interpretation as WITN reported the way in which I think....only the comforter, baby clothes recovered. The sheet was placed over Maria as they took her out of the shallow grave. That sheet was too white to have been in the ground since mid-December.

JMO

Still want those apple fritters from Yanna's? LOL

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by nelkirk


http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/14162707.html

{QUOTE]Lauterbach's body is currently at Dover Air Force base where a second autopsy was performed by Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

CNN reports the military autopsy determined Lauterbach's fetus was not born alive, but further tests are being conducted on a lung tissue sample to determine whether the fetus' lungs contained oxygen.
If oxygen is found, it would mean the baby took a breath and could mean an additional murder charge.

Additional tests are being conducted to determine if Laurean was the fetus' father.

When the bodies were sent to Dover Air Force Base the military pathologists did the second autopsy that the MC had requested of her family...then the bodies were released to the family and escorted home home. [/*][/QUOTE]

Thanks, Nelkirk.

I am hoping that the release of the autopsy report will cause some movement in this case. Either from CSL or CL's family. I realize it is probably wishful thinking, but maybe, just maybe, one or the other will speak up, or tell LE where he is... or something!

I wonder how CSL feels about the baby clothing found with ML's body?

JMO

[Maka]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Oh here is where everybody is!

Thanks, Maka, but for some reason I can't open that link. But from your quote, it sounds like an older article, and IIRC, they determined that the fetal lungs did not contain oxygen.

The article I remember from either today or yesterday was discussing the autopsy report and said that fetal tissue or something was sent to the military for gender and paternity testing. (as usual, I don't have the link, so JMO) [/*]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23/

missing.marine/index.html

I hate when links smush up and don't resolve...you can copy and paste both lines and take out the gap

it talks about the paternity testing too per Dewey.

I remember one article that said he wasn't born... hmmmm

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Maka


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23/

missing.marine/index.html

I hate when links smush up and don't resolve...you can copy and paste both lines and take out the gap

it talks about the paternity testing too per Dewey.

I remember one article that said he wasn't born... hmmmm [/*]
Try this CNN link http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23/missing.marine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/23/

missing.marine/index.html

I hate when links smush up and don't resolve...you can copy and paste both lines and take out the gap

it talks about the paternity testing too per Dewey.

I remember one article that said he wasn't born... hmmmm [/*]

Thanks, Maka, I finally got this one to open with some copying and pasting.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Maka


YW I hope with all my heart they can and will prosecute him for Gabriel's death.

btw there's still no pmt shown on S Laurean's ticket since the hearing on 2/26 ... wish we could find out if he's just not paying or if he's "indisposed" due to the investigation. [/*]

What ticket, please refresh my memory. Or is this his truck payment?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by nelkirk


http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/14162707.html



When the bodies were sent to Dover Air Force Base the military pathologists did the second autopsy that the MC had requested of her family...then the bodies were released to the family and escorted home home. [/*]

Yes nelkirk and TY for the link. That does answer the question about whether the baby was a fetus or a person for NC.

I was mainly asking if the NC ME who collected the samples, did they send them on to AFIP or did AFIP collect their own samples?

Again thanks nelkirk.

[Maka]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Too late to edit:
Dusting is needed maka! [/*]

Done did.

----

I'm just not betting on the mil releasing any results until trial...I hope they do before. I know people are curious about whether or not CL attempted 'surgery' of some kind ...

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Maka


Done did.

----

I'm just not betting on the mil releasing any results until trial...I hope they do before. I know people are curious about whether or not CL attempted 'surgery' of some kind ... [/*]

TY for the information Maka. That was interesting to say the least.

And I did notice a closed case on CAL too.

Have a great night all! :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
:confused: [/*]

Not sure what the closed case on CAL means, Hinman...

[gaelicpeas]

G'night, rj... I just don't know what to think of the baby clothing...

[Babes]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES
I hope by now the family has the answers as to paternity and gender.

I still believe Cesar is the father of the child, but would be stunned and even more saddened if he wasn't.

JMO tho. [/*]


ITA

I also think Military didnt do much about the "rape" allegations as they knew that these two have an illicit affair. They will definitely ask people around them for opinions.

[SavannahStar]

Oh ITA....he could have easily done it alone.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady


I think he drug her out on an old comforter. Either a comforter in one of the boxes in the garage, or used as a drop cloth while painting the house.

He then rolled her into the shallow pit and packed on the dirt. She ended up in the pit as she fell in. He did no arranging of her body. He could easily do this alone.

imoo [/*]

Just out of curiousity....have you ever used a comforter as a drop cloth?

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by old_lady



Yes, I have. I use anything old I am going to throw out. Sheets, bedspreads, whatever. As a matter of fact, I used an old comforter over my piano when painting. [/*]

Okay, as in covering a piece of furniture. But you wouldn't use one to stand a ladder on, correct?

So are you thinking that the painting began before 12/14?