Discussion - March 15th.

[n/t]

Good Morning Everyone,

A lot of reading to do from last night's thread. Great discussions. Let's keep it going.

I sometimes go back to earlier articles on the net about Nicholas disappearance just to see if there is anything we've missed.

I came across this one from Feb 22 - Fox News interview with Mr. Lieberman from AMW and Christine.

Quote from Mr. Lieberman:

LEIBERMAN: Yes, here's what's going on right now. They look at the cellphone, the cellphone has been turned off or it's gone dead. They're still going through that car that they've found at the condo complex to see if there's just any forensics that look like anything. There's nothing. The main thing they're doing now though and they have a lot of detectives on this, is going through tips from the public. They do believe there were two positive sightings of Nicholas on that Wednesday night. One was at a gas station, another at a convenience store. These are all things police are following up and on, looking for any surveillance tape so that they can confirm that he was OK, so, they can make a time line.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html

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I couldn't help but notice the word "positive sighting" and the that they would look at surveillance tape to confirm he was ok?

My questions are: Were these tapes ever checked to confirm it was Nicholas? Did the police ever come out and say NO it wasn't him?

I found it quite interesting that we discussed gas stations and that's one of the sightings and another sighting was a convenience store??? If it was Nicholas, could he have decided to get the sugar there instead.

I hope we get confirmation from LE on the sightings, the cellphone and car fingerprints.

Continued prayers for Nicholas. :rose:

[n/t]

And the scaling back is also very odd. I don't get it. :(

[dianaelaine]

I can't for the life of me ... think of WHY C would say N was near water. :shrug:

WHAT would make her say that? HOW would she even know or suspect?

I was sitting in bed this morning and thinking of that ... the way she said it was like she KNEW ... it was presented as a fact. I know I wouldn't even think of water ... unless I knew something, or knew for a fact he was near/in water.

Don't you think that LE is looking at her statement as suspicious?

Oh, and by the way ... I agree with those who have said that this is a CRIME board/forum. The E site was where I was shut down when I tried to HELP, so I came here to openly discuss what I wanted to, and unless we break the TOS, you can't tell us what to say and what not to say.

[n/t]

OMG, sherry. I forgot about LE making that statement about Nicholas having a big family. It makes it even more bizarre that nobody from his side is coming forward. I've seen one interview with his mom. That's it. She really didn't say much except that Nicholas is in God's hands wherever he is or something like that and that he was like a big kid. Very involved with his children, etc.

I believe the link is on the LINKS thread. IIRC, Cat Toy posted it. That's the one that she refers to Christine as "the wife".

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by n/t


OMG, sherry. I forgot about LE making that statement about Nicholas having a big family. It makes it even more bizarre that nobody from his side is coming forward. I've seen one interview with his mom. That's it. She really didn't say much except that Nicholas is in God's hands wherever he is or something like that and that he was like a big kid. Very involved with his children, etc.

I believe the link is on the LINKS thread. IIRC, Cat Toy posted it. That's the one that she refers to Christine as "the wife". [/*]

Right ... and I've seen so many times, the extended family standing by the spouse, supporting them. It's just not right that NOBODY seems to be supporting C ... at least what we can see.

[n/t]

The money issue doesn't jive with what the police said about not finding anything about a huge debt. And how would they (friends) know this within hours?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by cteall
By this time (over a month) LE must have their own thoughts on what happened. If they thought (along with CF) that he was dead wouldn't they be searching for his body? Isn't it unusual that we would even hear that the LE assigned to the case was on vacation? Shouldn't everything continue when someone goes on vacation? To me it seems like a business that is 24/7, doesn't just stop when someone has vacation time. [/*]

Oh I KNOW! I wouldn't LET it stop, if he went on vacation, IF indeed he DID go on vacation.

That's just crazy! Gosh, what if he were being held somewhere against his will, just what IF he were?

I would be going crazy with worry, and not let ANYTHING stop.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by n/t
The money issue doesn't jive with what the police said about not finding anything about a huge debt. And how would they (friends) know this within hours? [/*]

EXACTLY! I can say for myself, there is NO way in H E double L, that I would be thinking of my money situation, HOURS after my husband went missing!:rolleyes:

[dianaelaine]

OH, wanted to say ... I don't think the body that was found could be N, cause it says this:

The man's children had asked the family friend to stop by when they could not reach him by phone.

That sound to me, like his ADULT children asked a friend to stop and check on him.

We know N doesn't have adult children, so that would make the man allot older than N.

[n/t]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OH, wanted to say ... I don't think the body that was found could be N, cause it says this:

The man's children had asked the family friend to stop by when they could not reach him by phone.

That sound to me, like his ADULT children asked a friend to stop and check on him.

We know N doesn't have adult children, so that would make the man allot older than N. [/*]

What body? :confused:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by cteall
By this time (over a month) LE must have their own thoughts on what happened. If they thought (along with CF) that he was dead wouldn't they be searching for his body? Isn't it unusual that we would even hear that the LE assigned to the case was on vacation? Shouldn't everything continue when someone goes on vacation? To me it seems like a business that is 24/7, doesn't just stop when someone has vacation time. [/*]

My brother is a detective in california and actually helped in the Laci Peterson case.......I asked him to read up on this case, and also asked about someone being on vacation how would the case be handle........he says when he goes on vacation and he is working on a case, someone takes over, but he says on cases like this they usually don't just assign one detective, it would be a group of people working on, so it's never laid on the "back burner", . but thats california, don't know how it's in Wa, but after reading how peoples homes were being broke into and LE not even taking reports and finger prints makes me wonder. jmoo

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
So much bothers me about this case, so much just doesn't add up. But, the part about wearing his laptop like a wedding ring. I know she just meant it "figuratively" but I find that wording a little odd. To me a wedding ring is somewhat sacred, a laptop is easily replaced. My laptop is extremely important to me also, but not important enough to be compared to my ring. I know I am being a bit "nit picky" here....am just trying to find answers and feel we are being given constant "hints" by CF. Why is she the only one talking on "his" behalf (that is also meant figuritively), why isn't LE or his family talking? [/*]

The missing poster, although very helpful has some bizarre stuff on there. Like, the toast in toaster. Why would that be important unless someone is living with him? The other thing was about cavities. Again, why would that be on a missing poster?

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
A body was found last night in a home in Bellevue WA [/*]

Thanks. I missed the story.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Danette44


My brother is a detective in california and actually helped in the Laci Peterson case.......I asked him to read up on this case, and also asked about someone being on vacation how would the case be handle........he says when he goes on vacation and he is working on a case, someone takes over, but he says on cases like this they usually don't just assign one detective, it would be a group of people working on, so it's never laid on the "back burner", . but thats california, don't know how it's in Wa, but after reading how peoples homes were being broke into and LE not even taking reports and finger prints makes me wonder. jmoo [/*]

I don't believe it was just one guy. Mr. Lieberman: "they have a lot of detectives on this".

If the reports are true about the scaling back then there's more to this story than is being said.

Do you think you can ask your brother what would be a reason for Law Enforcement to scale back on an investigation? I'd be very interested to hear it from someone in LE! TIA!:)

[mc528]

Originally posted by n/t


If it was Nicholas, could he have decided to get the sugar there instead.


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I've only quoted a piece of n/t's post.....

Was the information that NF was stopping after work specifically for sugar ever confirmed by anyone other than CF? Has anyone else come forward to say that they were given that information directly from NF?

I know it's been mentioned before, and my point to the two questions is, much of what we are all assuming to be the true facts in this case, like NF stopping specifically for sugar, are simply what CF has told us to be the *facts*. How many of these puzzle pieces have actually been corraborated (sp?) by a second source?

I'm not, at this point, insinuating that CF is necessarily lying, but it does appear - from the outside looking in - that she has tried pretty hard to paint a fairy-tale picture of her marriage - so maybe a fairy-tale last day of having seen NF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

If we take the pieces of this puzzle, and remove the parts that have only been supported by CF's word alone, how much are we left with?

All of the above is MOO/JMO....and rambled pre-coffee.

[Shelby1]

Good morning!

N/T, I about fell off my chair when I read that Nick "leaves his toast in the toaster" . What the heck does that even mean?

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528



I've only quoted a piece of n/t's post.....

Was the information that NF was stopping after work specifically for sugar ever confirmed by anyone other than CF? Has anyone else come forward to say that they were given that information directly from NF?

I know it's been mentioned before, and my point to the two questions is, much of what we are all assuming to be the true facts in this case, like NF stopping specifically for sugar, are simply what CF has told us to be the *facts*. How many of these puzzle pieces have actually been corraborated (sp?) by a second source?

I'm not, at this point, insinuating that CF is necessarily lying, but it does appear - from the outside looking in - that she has tried pretty hard to paint a fairy-tale picture of her marriage - so maybe a fairy-tale last day of having seen NF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

If we take the pieces of this puzzle, and remove the parts that have only been supported by CF's word alone, how much are we left with?

All of the above is MOO/JMO....and rambled pre-coffee. [/*]

I have been thinking this as well. Do we know for sure that he was going to Cosco? Has anyone told LE that other than CF? Even if that is a FACT that he was going to Cosco, he was going there because he was told him where to go. Is it possible that there is a reason for her to want him to be at Cosco that evening, around a certain time? He thought he was going there to buy sugar but what if it was a set up?


Just some ideas and MHO and MOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't believe it was just one guy. Mr. Lieberman: "they have a lot of detectives on this".

If the reports are true about the scaling back then there's more to this story than is being said.

Do you think you can ask your brother what would be a reason for Law Enforcement to scale back on an investigation? I'd be very interested to hear it from someone in LE! TIA!:) [/*]

I sure will, it's only 5:45am there so I'll try later this morning.......

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by cteall
When I first read this it sounded more like some kind of "message" then something someone would really do, more like a game of "Clue" then anything else. Could leaving toast in a toaster be related in any way to leaving someone that has a baby due?? JMO

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I wondered that too........

[n/t]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Good morning!

N/T, I about fell off my chair when I read that Nick "leaves his toast in the toaster" . What the heck does that even mean? [/*]

Hiya!:seeya:

No idea why that would be something to put on a Missing Person poster. Like I said, unless someone lives with him, it's not something that anyone can visibly notice on the streets. Same with cavities. Unless they were noticeable if he smiled, why would that be something to put on a flyer?

The only thing I can think of is if Nicholas started a new life and got a new ID and he hooks up with someone and the person would notice these things? :shrug:

[n/t]

Originally posted by Danette44


I sure will, it's only 5:45am there so I'll try later this morning....... [/*]

Thanks so much!!! :seeya:

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I didn't hear about a body being found either. Do they know who's body it is? These crimes have to stop!

Off to do my Saturday morning cleaning, I'll be back :D

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by n/t


Hiya!:seeya:

No idea why that would be something to put on a Missing Person poster. Like I said, unless someone lives with him, it's not something that anyone can visibly notice on the streets. Same with cavities. Unless they were noticeable if he smiled, why would that be something to put on a flyer?

The only thing I can think of is if Nicholas started a new life and got a new ID and he hooks up with someone and the person would notice these things? :shrug: [/*]

:seeya: Exactly. Or, like the above poster mentioned, maybe it's got a hidden meaning??

[n/t]

Originally posted by isitme


I have been thinking this as well. Do we know for sure that he was going to Cosco? Has anyone told LE that other than CF? Even if that is a FACT that he was going to Cosco, he was going there because he was told him where to go. Is it possible that there is a reason for her to want him to be at Cosco that evening, around a certain time? He thought he was going there to buy sugar but what if it was a set up?


Just some ideas and MHO and MOO [/*]

Good point. As far as I know, we only got that from Christine. There was the coworker who supposedly assumed he was going to safeway but again, Christine said the coworker misunderstood or assumed.

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme


I have been thinking this as well. Do we know for sure that he was going to Cosco? Has anyone told LE that other than CF? Even if that is a FACT that he was going to Cosco, he was going there because he was told him where to go. Is it possible that there is a reason for her to want him to be at Cosco that evening, around a certain time? He thought he was going there to buy sugar but what if it was a set up?


Just some ideas and MHO and MOO [/*]


I'm still not even convinced that it was Costco that he was going to. Then mention of that store specifically seemed to evolve as the case progressed. In the original blog entry by the family friends in CO, the Donovans, posted the evening of 2/14 after Mrs Donovan had spoken to CF, it references - when they learned of NF's disappearance, they were told he was headed to Safeway. I have seen where it was rebutted that the co-worker that also mentioned the same thing was "making an assumption", but IMO, someone told the Donovans the same thing - less than 24 hours after NF hadn't returned home, and the entry specifically says that the *someone* that they spoke to was CF. Why the change later to Costco being the destination?
http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shelby1
Good morning!

N/T, I about fell off my chair when I read that Nick "leaves his toast in the toaster" . What the heck does that even mean? [/*]

Morning All :)

When I first saw that, I thought it might be a message to Nick - something only he would understand. It wouldn't do anybody any good to know that unless it was in a home, in an office (they have little toasters in some offices), or in a church kitchen. It certainly would not help the average Joe on the street recognize him.

Things that could have been put on there such as "athletic - enjoys participating in local runs" was not put on there. I think the guy doing the flyer is trying hard - updating late in the evenings, so I'm not discrediting him at all.

Again, I think it could be some type of message only Nick would understand if he is reading.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Morning All :)

When I first saw that, I thought it might be a message to Nick - something only he would understand. It wouldn't do anybody any good to know that unless it was in a home, in an office (they have little toasters in some offices), or in a church kitchen. It certainly would not help the average Joe on the street recognize him.

Things that could have been put on there such as "athletic - enjoys participating in local runs" was not put on there. I think the guy doing the flyer is trying hard - updating late in the evenings, so I'm not discrediting him at all.

Again, I think it could be some type of message only Nick would understand if he is reading. [/*]


Hi Rainy,

Good point about putting the atheltic information. In my opinion, the toaster thing and cavities is all negative information about him. Well, that's the impression I got anyway.

I agree with you on the guy doing the flyer and updating it. He's doing the best he can. This is information given to him by Christine, obviously.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki
Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I didn't hear about a body being found either. Do they know who's body it is? These crimes have to stop!

Off to do my Saturday morning cleaning, I'll be back :D [/*]

I linked it last night - couldn't go to bed until I knew for sure...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004283662_webbody14m.html

[mc528]

Originally posted by cteall
Thanks for posting that link mc....not sure that I had seen that specifically. So it really appears that the very next day CF told her friends that he was going to SAFEWAY. How did Safeway change to Costco....and why??

[/*]


I wonder what the original police report, filed on the night of 2/13, says as NF's apparent destinations once leaving his office?

I know that sometimes things/memories can become clearer with time, but also, and likely quite often, the memories and information relayed while it is freshest is closer to actuality. MOO

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528



I'm still not even convinced that it was Costco that he was going to. Then mention of that store specifically seemed to evolve as the case progressed. In the original blog entry by the family friends in CO, the Donovans, posted the evening of 2/14 after Mrs Donovan had spoken to CF, it references - when they learned of NF's disappearance, they were told he was headed to Safeway. I have seen where it was rebutted that the co-worker that also mentioned the same thing was "making an assumption", but IMO, someone told the Donovans the same thing - less than 24 hours after NF hadn't returned home, and the entry specifically says that the *someone* that they spoke to was CF. Why the change later to Costco being the destination?
http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html [/*]

True, he could have even been told to go to a drug store for something. And once he is reported missing the logical thing to do would be to report that he was going to Safeway/Cosco to through off the search.


Exploring this idea further we would need to know the forensics findings on the car.

If he were sent to some location other than what was reported to LE, and he met with foul play, the car would have someone elses prints on it, or be clean of prints.

[mc528]

Originally posted by cteall
From everything I remember CF was quite adamant to say it was Costco and NOT Safeway. I always thought it was so odd that someone would go to Costco to buy sugar (even if it was organic sugar). Just seems that after a long day at work and being in a hurry to get home to make cookies with your young daughter that it would be so much quicker to just run into Safeway. Costco is typically very busy, have to look for a parking place and stand in a long line to check out. So when you have a little kid waiting for daddy to come home to make cookies with you who cares if the sugar is organic or not??

[/*]


The only reason that even comes to my mind, and it's a little farfetched - is to add more to the appearance of a supportive, devoted, husband. CF uses sugar in her new line of bath and beauty products, and apparently uses only organic sugar in the scrubs she makes. It was inferred that the sugar he was apparently on his way to Costco to purchase was not just for cookie baking, but also for other uses (the exact wording of this was in the *facts* blog entry that CF has now removed). By saying that NF was going to get her the organic sugar that she used for her business, she was indicating how supportive he was of her newest business venture. I'm not doubting that he likely was supportive, but it just (IMO/MOO, etc) seems like another statement to add to the fairy-tale life of hers that she was trying very hard to portray. Now why organic sugar specifically from Costco....not sure, except maybe to also reiterate that they were wise with their $ (since Costco likely has the best bulk price)....which would also have fit with what was being portrayed by her at the time that there wasn't any significant debt/money issue as a cause for his disappearance. That part of the story has also evolved over time. JMO/IMO/MOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Morning All :)

When I first saw that, I thought it might be a message to Nick - something only he would understand. It wouldn't do anybody any good to know that unless it was in a home, in an office (they have little toasters in some offices), or in a church kitchen. It certainly would not help the average Joe on the street recognize him.

Things that could have been put on there such as "athletic - enjoys participating in local runs" was not put on there. I think the guy doing the flyer is trying hard - updating late in the evenings, so I'm not discrediting him at all.

Again, I think it could be some type of message only Nick would understand if he is reading. [/*]

Good Morning Rainy :seeya:

Her wording is unbelieveable - just like the word "coward", I feel she was saying it right to Nicholas, actually alot of her TV appearance seem (IMO) that she is talking directly to Nicholas, and it seems that it always ends up about HER. jmoo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Good Morning Rainy :seeya:

Her wording is unbelieveable - just like the word "coward", I feel she was saying it right to Nicholas, actually alot of her TV appearance seem (IMO) that she is talking directly to Nicholas, and it seems that it always ends up about HER. jmoo [/*]

Morning Danette :) - maybe we are just a suspicious group but I've always felt she was talking to him. That of course could be considered a good thing because that would mean deep down she believes he is alive or knows he is alive.

[mc528]

Originally posted by cteall
Yep, talking in "codes" like all couples lovingly do. So, I am thinking "leaving toast in the toaster" could possibly mean leaving a pregnant wife.....what could the "cavity" thing mean? If we could "crack" some of the codes we might get closer to solving this mystery.

[/*]


In keeping with your codes theme....cavities can also be interpretted as flaws. Just an idea, not sure yet that I believe that there are indeed coded messages in the statements. IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



In keeping with your codes theme....cavities can also be interpretted as flaws. Just an idea, not sure yet that I believe that there are indeed coded messages in the statements. IMO [/*]

Do you think they were trying to find some humor by stating one of his flaws? I leave the cap off the toothpaste which drives hubby crazy but I doubt my family/friends would put that on a missing person flyer.

[mc528]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Do you think they were trying to find some humor by stating one of his flaws? I leave the cap off the toothpaste which drives hubby crazy but I doubt my family/friends would put that on a missing person flyer. [/*]


Yes, actually, I really think that's what the *toast* statement was.

[Old Timer]

The King County Sheriff's Office (KCSO) employs 1,110 people who provide law enforcement services to people in King County.

Org Chart: http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/what/organization/

Investigations: http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/what/investigations/

Fingerprint ID System: http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/partners/regional_afis/

K-9 Unit: http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/what/specialized_services/canine.aspx

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Do you think they were trying to find some humor by stating one of his flaws? I leave the cap off the toothpaste which drives hubby crazy but I doubt my family/friends would put that on a missing person flyer. [/*]

I do the same thing - it's sad to think if he left on his own that he would leave 2 beautiful children behind like that - I was wondering, since others brought up her working - her kids are 2 and 4 they were together for alomost 10yrs - married for 7 yrs, wonder what kind of work she did before she became a SAHM? I assume she has some kind of degree since they met at college? just curious as to your thoughts on this?

[Old Timer]

Regarding the possibility of someone "logging" and sending NF a chat session, since he was an Etsy member himself, could he have viewed a chat first-hand? Or he would have to be logged in to do so and his name (Kauno) could be viewed in chat room?

He (Kauno) joined Etsy Feb. 3rd. His bio is sweet about sometimes having time to draw or make things out of wood and ink in the garage...

Bio
Kauno is a late 20's graphic designer working in Seattle. No I don't actually drink coffee, but I wouldn't be opposed to designing for coffee companies :)

Most of my work is either designing for large corporations by day or logos for small companies by night. Sometimes I actually have time to draw for myself or make weird things out of wood and ink in the garage.

Current favorite font: Omnes by Joshua Darden
Current favorite band: Helio Sequence

http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


I do the same thing - it's sad to think if he left on his own that he would leave 2 beautiful children behind like that - I was wondering, since others brought up her working - her kids are 2 and 4 they were together for alomost 10yrs - married for 7 yrs, wonder what kind of work she did before she became a SAHM? I assume she has some kind of degree since they met at college? just curious as to your thoughts on this? [/*]

You know I've never thought about that. She certainly is talented. Good question.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Old Timer
Regarding the possibility of someone "logging" and sending NF a chat session, since he was an Etsy member himself, could he have viewed a chat first-hand? Or he would have to be logged in to do so and his name (Kauno) could be viewed in chat room?

He (Kauno) joined Etsy Feb. 3rd. His bio is sweet about sometimes having time to draw or make things out of wood and ink in the garage...

Bio
Kauno is a late 20's graphic designer working in Seattle. No I don't actually drink coffee, but I wouldn't be opposed to designing for coffee companies :)

Most of my work is either designing for large corporations by day or logos for small companies by night. Sometimes I actually have time to draw for myself or make weird things out of wood and ink in the garage.

Current favorite font: Omnes by Joshua Darden
Current favorite band: Helio Sequence

http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]

See this is what hurts me - he seems so earnest and sweet. From my vantage point it just seems like he did more than his fair share and was overworked. I wish his family would go on TV and plead for his safe return.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



Yes, actually, I really think that's what the *toast* statement was. [/*]

mc - I have a question - I know on AOL that you can log chats, but if you don't want to log it, you can copy and paste it into a document. Is that possible on that "site"?

[Old Timer]

Helio Sequence
http://www.myspace.com/theheliosequence

[Nellie]

Originally posted by cteall
Is just somewhat odd to me that both LE and Nics family have gotten so quiet about everything. I also found it odd that the LE assigned to the case took off on vacation. Now that he is finally back from"vacation" still not a single word. Something just doesn't add up here, someboady "knows" something....IMO [/*]

Who scaled back on the investigation before the detective came back from vacation? :shrug:

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


See this is what hurts me - he seems so earnest and sweet. From my vantage point it just seems like he did more than his fair share and was overworked. I wish his family would go on TV and plead for his safe return. [/*]

ITA

[carterkatt]

A couple of things I have questions on and am not clear about:

1. The possible sighting of NF at a "convenience" store and gas station. Can they be one and the same? A gas station that has a store? If he truly did need to get some sugar, perhaps he ran into the convenience store to grab some? (and, a store like that would have CCTV, right??)

I know the "younger generation" thinks nothing of spending $1.00+ for bottled water, etc.. expensive coffees, etc... I wonder if he would grab a small bag of sugar (for cookie baking vs. the organic in bulk) that may cost more $$ at a convenience store, but the buck or two more may be worth it not to have to park and go in Safeway/Costco to stand in line, etc.

2. Some convenience stores sell fresh flowers - Valentine's Day and all....

3. His life insurance. I assume (and we all know what that does!) it's for 1.5 or 2 times his salary - is that the norm? Would that be motive enough for foul play (JUST throwing it out there, no pointing fingers, IMO, etc!!). Did he have other life insurance polices?

4. I keep wondering (and no one else responds to this!)... did they get a tax refund check and IF he left, he took that, in addition to possibly PP funds, etc. as have been discussed? Not that we will probably get the answer to that. And, speaking of taxes, if they have not filed, April 15 is looming. What would CF do to file jointly if NF is not there to sign?

Finally... can someone please repost the link for the "cavities and toast" poster?

TIA!

[mc528]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


mc - I have a question - I know on AOL that you can log chats, but if you don't want to log it, you can copy and paste it into a document. Is that possible on that "site"? [/*]


No. You can't even get to the place on the site where the chat feature is located unless you are a registered member and logged in. Here is the link if anyone would like to see for themselves. This is the view from the public side (non-logged in)....notice where you go when you click on the box labeled chat.

http://www.etsy.com/community.php

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



No. You can't even get to the place on the site where the chat feature is located unless you are a registered member and logged in. Here is the link if anyone would like to see for themselves. This is the view from the public side (non-logged in)....notice where you go when you click on the box labeled chat.

http://www.etsy.com/community.php [/*]

Okay thank you.

[mc528]

Originally posted by carterkatt
A couple of things I have questions on and am not clear about:

1. The possible sighting of NF at a "convenience" store and gas station. Can they be one and the same? A gas station that has a store? If he truly did need to get some sugar, perhaps he ran into the convenience store to grab some? (and, a store like that would have CCTV, right??)

I know the "younger generation" thinks nothing of spending $1.00+ for bottled water, etc.. expensive coffees, etc... I wonder if he would grab a small bag of sugar (for cookie baking vs. the organic in bulk) that may cost more $$ at a convenience store, but the buck or two more may be worth it not to have to park and go in Safeway/Costco to stand in line, etc.

2. Some convenience stores sell fresh flowers - Valentine's Day and all....

3. His life insurance. I assume (and we all know what that does!) it's for 1.5 or 2 times his salary - is that the norm? Would that be motive enough for foul play (JUST throwing it out there, no pointing fingers, IMO, etc!!). Did he have other life insurance polices?

4. I keep wondering (and no one else responds to this!)... did they get a tax refund check and IF he left, he took that, in addition to possibly PP funds, etc. as have been discussed? Not that we will probably get the answer to that. And, speaking of taxes, if they have not filed, April 15 is looming. What would CF do to file jointly if NF is not there to sign?

Finally... can someone please repost the link for the "cavities and toast" poster?

TIA! [/*]



To your question on signing the tax return if they haven't filed yet: If they had previously filed electronically, a *real* signature isn't needed. You file with an electronic signature...nothing needs to be signed and mailed to the IRS for the Federal return.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by carterkatt
A couple of things I have questions on and am not clear about:

1. The possible sighting of NF at a "convenience" store and gas station. Can they be one and the same? A gas station that has a store? If he truly did need to get some sugar, perhaps he ran into the convenience store to grab some? (and, a store like that would have CCTV, right??)

I know the "younger generation" thinks nothing of spending $1.00+ for bottled water, etc.. expensive coffees, etc... I wonder if he would grab a small bag of sugar (for cookie baking vs. the organic in bulk) that may cost more $$ at a convenience store, but the buck or two more may be worth it not to have to park and go in Safeway/Costco to stand in line, etc.

2. Some convenience stores sell fresh flowers - Valentine's Day and all....

3. His life insurance. I assume (and we all know what that does!) it's for 1.5 or 2 times his salary - is that the norm? Would that be motive enough for foul play (JUST throwing it out there, no pointing fingers, IMO, etc!!). Did he have other life insurance polices?

4. I keep wondering (and no one else responds to this!)... did they get a tax refund check and IF he left, he took that, in addition to possibly PP funds, etc. as have been discussed? Not that we will probably get the answer to that. And, speaking of taxes, if they have not filed, April 15 is looming. What would CF do to file jointly if NF is not there to sign?

Finally... can someone please repost the link for the "cavities and toast" poster?

TIA! [/*]

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

[Nellie]

Originally posted by cteall
So much bothers me about this case, so much just doesn't add up. But, the part about wearing his laptop like a wedding ring. I know she just meant it "figuratively" but I find that wording a little odd. To me a wedding ring is somewhat sacred, a laptop is easily replaced. My laptop is extremely important to me also, but not important enough to be compared to my ring. I know I am being a bit "nit picky" here....am just trying to find answers and feel we are being given constant "hints" by CF. Why is she the only one talking on "his" behalf (that is also meant figuritively), why isn't LE or his family talking? [/*]

I found the wording odd too and can't imagine the description came from anyone but Christine. And I found it to be symbolic.
The wedding ring signifies a committment to Christine. So, to put the laptop on the same level as a wedding ring says to me that he was "married to that laptop" as well as Christine. Now why would anyone say someone is married to something like that? IMO, it's because that "something" got more attention. It sounds like something a wife would say about something that got more attention than she did. Does that make sense? The wording, to me, is significant.

[isitme]

Originally posted by carterkatt



(*snipped*)

4. I keep wondering (and no one else responds to this!)... did they get a tax refund check and IF he left, he took that, in addition to possibly PP funds, etc. as have been discussed? Not that we will probably get the answer to that. And, speaking of taxes, if they have not filed, April 15 is looming. What would CF do to file jointly if NF is not there to sign?

(*snipped*)

TIA! [/*]

I'm not sure anyone here can answer whether they filed their taxes already or not. Or whether they received a refund.

As for CF filing tax returns without NF, if she prepared them herslef and E-filed it would be possible to file them without NF. I prepare our taxes and E-File them. My DH reviews them and once we are sure that all is well I establish rthe equired passwords in order for us to both "sign" them. If they have E-filed their taxes in past years with an online tax service like TurboTax that type of information is available for subsequent years filings, so all she would have to do would be to confirm everything and the E-File process is complete.

[Old Timer]

As I sit here listening to Helio Sequence on myspace, I have a theory (similar and building on what someone posted earlier.)

What if C became so involved in the world of Etsy (products, chats, etc.) and N felt they were growing a part, so he joined as a member to become closer to her.

And then he saw something disrespectful said about him (through chat, someone telling him, etc.), and was so hurt, that he left.

Just speculating...

Other than C, who has looked at his emails???

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by isitme


I'm not sure anyone here can answer whether they filed their taxes already or not. Or whether they received a refund.

As for CF filing tax returns without NF, if she prepared them herslef and E-filed it would be possible to file them without NF. I prepare our taxes and E-File them. My DH reviews them and once we are sure that all is well I establish rthe equired passwords in order for us to both "sign" them. If they have E-filed their taxes in past years with an online tax service like TurboTax that type of information is available for subsequent years filings, so all she would have to do would be to confirm everything and the E-File process is complete. [/*]

Could she also file for an extension?

[carterkatt]

Thanks for the tax answers and the link! :)

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme


I'm not sure anyone here can answer whether they filed their taxes already or not. Or whether they received a refund.

As for CF filing tax returns without NF, if she prepared them herslef and E-filed it would be possible to file them without NF. I prepare our taxes and E-File them. My DH reviews them and once we are sure that all is well I establish rthe equired passwords in order for us to both "sign" them. If they have E-filed their taxes in past years with an online tax service like TurboTax that type of information is available for subsequent years filings, so all she would have to do would be to confirm everything and the E-File process is complete. [/*]


That's how I've done mine for years too....except usually my DH doesn't even know they've been done and filed. ;)

[isitme]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Could she also file for an extension? [/*]

I don't know if she could or not. I have never had to do that so I have no experience there. IIRC there was an on line form available to file for an extension. It quite possibly would be handled in the same manner regarding the electronic signatures.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Could she also file for an extension? [/*]



You can file for an extension to pay, but you still have to file the 1040 forms by April 15. And, if she wants to be eligible for that *rebate* that's coming out in the summer, she needs to file by 4/15...the eligibility for that will be based on information received to the IRS by the filing deadline. It's been mentioned that there is a financial advisor that CF's been meeting with, so maybe, if the taxes haven't already been filed then the advisor can help her out. MOO

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528



That's how I've done mine for years too....except usually my DH doesn't even know they've been done and filed. ;) [/*]

I did ours this year while DH was out of town. I did tell him what the outcome was. And we did go over the basics of what I needed for deductions, etc. before he left, but he wasn't actually present when the return was filled.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Old Timer
Regarding the possibility of someone "logging" and sending NF a chat session, since he was an Etsy member himself, could he have viewed a chat first-hand? Or he would have to be logged in to do so and his name (Kauno) could be viewed in chat room?

He (Kauno) joined Etsy Feb. 3rd. His bio is sweet about sometimes having time to draw or make things out of wood and ink in the garage...

Bio
Kauno is a late 20's graphic designer working in Seattle. No I don't actually drink coffee, but I wouldn't be opposed to designing for coffee companies :)

Most of my work is either designing for large corporations by day or logos for small companies by night. Sometimes I actually have time to draw for myself or make weird things out of wood and ink in the garage.

Current favorite font: Omnes by Joshua Darden
Current favorite band: Helio Sequence

http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 [/*]

The way Etsy works is, you have to be signed in to view chat rooms, and to send convo's (conversations).

[Nellie]

Originally posted by carterkatt
A couple of things I have questions on and am not clear about:

1. The possible sighting of NF at a "convenience" store and gas station. Can they be one and the same? A gas station that has a store? If he truly did need to get some sugar, perhaps he ran into the convenience store to grab some? (and, a store like that would have CCTV, right??)

I know the "younger generation" thinks nothing of spending $1.00+ for bottled water, etc.. expensive coffees, etc... I wonder if he would grab a small bag of sugar (for cookie baking vs. the organic in bulk) that may cost more $$ at a convenience store, but the buck or two more may be worth it not to have to park and go in Safeway/Costco to stand in line, etc.

2. Some convenience stores sell fresh flowers - Valentine's Day and all....

3. His life insurance. I assume (and we all know what that does!) it's for 1.5 or 2 times his salary - is that the norm? Would that be motive enough for foul play (JUST throwing it out there, no pointing fingers, IMO, etc!!). Did he have other life insurance polices?

4. I keep wondering (and no one else responds to this!)... did they get a tax refund check and IF he left, he took that, in addition to possibly PP funds, etc. as have been discussed? Not that we will probably get the answer to that. And, speaking of taxes, if they have not filed, April 15 is looming. What would CF do to file jointly if NF is not there to sign?

Finally... can someone please repost the link for the "cavities and toast" poster?

TIA! [/*]

It won't be a problem. If filing electronically, the forms are signed electronically.

[KKKKKKatie]

Re...the flier

Could the questions be some sort of form that they found and instead of leaving some blank they put in the cavity and toast stuff?

I just can't imagine sitting around and yuckin it up with funny answere :shrug:

[Old Timer]

Feb 16th article: The couple met at the Art Institute of Seattle where they were both students. They just celebrated their seventh wedding anniversary a couple of weeks ago.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351639_missing17__web.html

I wonder if they both had student loans that needed to be paid off too…

Tuition and fees here: http://www.50states.com/college/detail/wa/234492.htm

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by mc528




You can file for an extension to pay, but you still have to file the 1040 forms by April 15. And, if she wants to be eligible for that *rebate* that's coming out in the summer, she needs to file by 4/15...the eligibility for that will be based on information received to the IRS by the filing deadline. It's been mentioned that there is a financial advisor that CF's been meeting with, so maybe, if the taxes haven't already been filed then the advisor can help her out. MOO [/*]

Thanks for info on this mc and everyone.

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


The way Etsy works is, you have to be signed in to view chat rooms, and to send convo's (conversations). [/*]

Thanks. Is a convo like a PM is here? Do those get logged/saved?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


mc - I have a question - I know on AOL that you can log chats, but if you don't want to log it, you can copy and paste it into a document. Is that possible on that "site"? [/*]

No, don't believe you can do that.

I don't believe there's a way to copy a chat at all, most likely administration can do that, but members can't.

I know, because I once tried to copy one line of chat ... and it won't let you.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Thanks. Is a convo like a PM is here? Do those get logged/saved? [/*]

Yes and Yes.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Could she also file for an extension? [/*]

Anyone can file for an extension. BUt if they're getting a refund back that would be more money for her, so I can't see why she'd want to.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Thanks. Is a convo like a PM is here? Do those get logged/saved? [/*]

Yes, you could say convos are like pm's.

They are private, nobody but the recipient sees them, and they are saved. You can delete them as you wish.

[dianaelaine]

Looks like a few of us Etsy folks are answering at the same time. :D

[mc528]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Looks like a few of us Etsy folks are answering at the same time. :D [/*]


:D

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


No, don't believe you can do that.

I don't believe there's a way to copy a chat at all, most likely administration can do that, but members can't.

I know, because I once tried to copy one line of chat ... and it won't let you. [/*]

Thanks Diana :) I know on AOL you can but didn't know if that was possible.

Okay so Nicholas could not have seen what C was saying about him unless he was logged in also - wouldn't she have known he was logged in and watching?

My point is, is that no one could have copied a chat and sent to him, so he would be completely unaware of things being said about him (if they were). Right? Wrong?

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Morning All :)

When I first saw that, I thought it might be a message to Nick - something only he would understand. It wouldn't do anybody any good to know that unless it was in a home, in an office (they have little toasters in some offices), or in a church kitchen. It certainly would not help the average Joe on the street recognize him.

Things that could have been put on there such as "athletic - enjoys participating in local runs" was not put on there. I think the guy doing the flyer is trying hard - updating late in the evenings, so I'm not discrediting him at all.

Again, I think it could be some type of message only Nick would understand if he is reading. [/*]

I thought the same thing. "Leaves toast in toaster" sounds more like a pet peeve.

jmo

[Nellie]

Wears his laptop like a wedding ring......takes it everywhere.

Message: You better not take your wedding ring off. You better take it everywhere! You are married!

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by isitme


Yes and Yes. [/*]

Thanks. So theoretically, could the LE request access to all NF & CF Etsy convos through Etsy? In addition to requesting access to all home/work computers for both as well through Publicis and CF?

I forget who posted this earlier (n/t?) and not sure of the source:

"all of his emails have been read by me as our email is on a server that i can access from my computer. thank the Lord that he told me the password and that I remembered it. there are no important emails that link to this case." <snipped> "there is nothing on his work computer either. "

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by Nellie


Anyone can file for an extension. BUt if they're getting a refund back that would be more money for her, so I can't see why she'd want to. [/*]

Thanks. I was thinking in case they owed.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Thanks. So theoretically, could the LE request access to all NF & CF Etsy convos through Etsy? In addition to requesting access to all home/work computers for both as well through Publicis and CF?

I forget who posted this earlier (n/t?) and not sure of the source:

"all of his emails have been read by me as our email is on a server that i can access from my computer. thank the Lord that he told me the password and that I remembered it. there are no important emails that link to this case." <snipped> "there is nothing on his work computer either. " [/*]

Did they have two computers at home - one for play and one for his work or is she speaking for Publicis regarding his work computer?

[figritout]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


The way Etsy works is, you have to be signed in to view chat rooms, and to send convo's (conversations). [/*]

Then my comment yesterday shows that I am the ignorant one. I was following public reading but I am now realizing alot of it was cut and pasted from etsy. I really, really apologize for my comment and will think much more before I make posts like that..

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Diana :) I know on AOL you can but didn't know if that was possible.

Okay so Nicholas could not have seen what C was saying about him unless he was logged in also - wouldn't she have known he was logged in and watching?

My point is, is that no one could have copied a chat and sent to him, so he would be completely unaware of things being said about him (if they were). Right? Wrong? [/*]

You can freeze a screen in a chat room, several have done it in pogo games where people chat........I have had shots email to me about what people were saying about others that were lying in certain rooms. They used the paint shop program to do so.....

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


You can freeze a screen in a chat room, several have done it in pogo games where people chat........I have had shots email to me about what people were saying about others that were lying in certain rooms. They used the paint shop program to do so..... [/*]

Thanks Danette - that was what I was trying to find out. IF she was venting like we all do at times, but someone sent him snippets of a chat, it could have made him feel very defeated.

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Did they have two computers at home - one for play and one for his work or is she speaking for Publicis regarding his work computer? [/*]

Just guessing, but I was thinking there might be a home PC that CF uses, N's missing laptop that he took back and forth, and perhaps he had a desktop PC at work?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Diana :) I know on AOL you can but didn't know if that was possible.

Okay so Nicholas could not have seen what C was saying about him unless he was logged in also - wouldn't she have known he was logged in and watching?

My point is, is that no one could have copied a chat and sent to him, so he would be completely unaware of things being said about him (if they were). Right? Wrong? [/*]

Unless he made a new (unknown to her) membership with a new avatar, that she wouldn't recognize. Then he could sit in chat and listen, and she wouldn't know who he was.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Unless he made a new (unknown to her) membership with a new avatar, that she wouldn't recognize. Then he could sit in chat and listen, and she wouldn't know who he was. [/*]

True - now we need Envision to come in and tell us if the chats she saw were during the day or evening. I'm just trying to figure out what could have made him snap to the point he walked off. No hidden agenda here.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Danette44


You can freeze a screen in a chat room, several have done it in pogo games where people chat........I have had shots email to me about what people were saying about others that were lying in certain rooms. They used the paint shop program to do so..... [/*]

Some chat boards have an invisible option. Could he have logged in to chat invisible?

TIA

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Unless he made a new (unknown to her) membership with a new avatar, that she wouldn't recognize. Then he could sit in chat and listen, and she wouldn't know who he was. [/*]

Good point...

[mc528]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Diana :) I know on AOL you can but didn't know if that was possible.

Okay so Nicholas could not have seen what C was saying about him unless he was logged in also - wouldn't she have known he was logged in and watching?

My point is, is that no one could have copied a chat and sent to him, so he would be completely unaware of things being said about him (if they were). Right? Wrong? [/*]


Yes, Rainy....I believe you are right. Unless he had another log-in name that no-one was aware of, he could not have been in the chat room while CF was without her knowing it. Your user name is displayed to the room when you are there.

Although I suppose there is the remote possiblity that someone could do a screen print of their entire screen and then paste that onto a separate Word type document if they really wanted to capture on paper a chat conversation, but that really isn't likely or even really practical since the chat moves very fast and a screen capture would be a frozen-in-time snapshot only. Unless someone was deliberately trying to create a set-up to do this, by manipulating a perfectly timed conversation and capturing it at the right moment it really isn't plausible. And as much animosity (sp?) between sellers as some would like to be believed is there, that really isn't the norm, and actually not tolerated by the admin to much degree - certainly not to the point of harassment via PM or e-mail.....the offender would be banned very quickly after submitting proof of that to the site admin.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Danette44


You can freeze a screen in a chat room, several have done it in pogo games where people chat........I have had shots email to me about what people were saying about others that were lying in certain rooms. They used the paint shop program to do so..... [/*]

That's true Danette, forgot about that.

You can "Print Screen" and it will copy the chat room at that time.

[isitme]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Danette - that was what I was trying to find out. IF she was venting like we all do at times, but someone sent him snippets of a chat, it could have made him feel very defeated. [/*]

I see your point. I would think that a computer savvy person could figure out a way to do something to capture the screen. It is not something I would know how to do but I bet there are those that would have some way of doing it.

quote:
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Originally posted by isitme


Yes and Yes. [/*]
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Thanks. So theoretically, could the LE request access to all NF & CF Etsy convos through Etsy? In addition to requesting access to all home/work computers for both as well through Publicis and CF?

(*snipped*)

_____________________

I would think that if LE requested transcripts of the chats they could be made available. It would seem to me that there would be some way for them to retrieve them. IIRC there was an incedent in the chat not too long ago and once reported admin. went back and viewed the chat to confirm what was reported before they took any action.

I have never been in the chat on that site. The above is based on what I have read in the forums and elsewhere.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by cteall
If Nicholas is alive and well and I pray to God he is, then IMO I would think he would still be on his computer. It has been extremely well documented that both CF and NF have a very important connection to an "on line" life. IMO not a mear coincidence that his laptop is also missing. So easy on many website to just create a new account under a different name and "lurk away". [/*]

YUP! I'm in chat now, can you tell who I am? :D

[mc528]

Originally posted by desmom


Some chat boards have an invisible option. Could he have logged in to chat invisible?

TIA [/*]


No you cannot (I just tried again, to be sure on that), and the *rooms* themselves are very different from Pogo (I spend a lot of time there myself).

[isitme]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Unless he made a new (unknown to her) membership with a new avatar, that she wouldn't recognize. Then he could sit in chat and listen, and she wouldn't know who he was. [/*]

Wouldn't he need to use a different email address? Certainly easy enough to do. Just a point that that is what would need to be done in order to log in with a new identity that she wouldn't recognize.

Next question - if this is what he did - and saw the comments - what would prompt him to be so secretive to create that second identity just to spy on her chatting?

[desmom]

Originally posted by mc528



No you cannot (I just tried again, to be sure on that), and the *rooms* themselves are very different from Pogo (I spend a lot of time there myself). [/*]

Thanks!

[mc528]

Originally posted by mc528



No you cannot (I just tried again, to be sure on that), and the *rooms* themselves are very different from Pogo (I spend a lot of time there myself). [/*]

Pogo...I meant. I have only been into the chat rooms on the E*** site a couple of times.

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme


He wouldn't he need to use a different email address? Certainly easy enough to do. Just a point that that is what would need to be done in order to log in with a new identity that she wouldn't recognize.

Next question - if this is what he did - and saw the comments - what would prompt him to be so secretive to create that second identity just to spy on her chatting? [/*]


Just another note on the "secret identity" aspect. Yes, technically you can have multiple accounts there, but it is not the norm. You are not allowed to create "sock puppet" or fake accounts - if you are having discovered to have done so you will likely be banned from the site.....all of your accounts, not just the one fake one. The most common reason for setting up multiple accounts is to have different shops (carrying a variety in products), or to have a *buyer* only account that is different from your *seller* identity. E*** is not really a social networking type of site, it is an e-commerce site that happens to have forums and chat capability (among other fancy gizmos). The statistics that the site admin have released are that less than 1% of the registered users ever participate in the forums, and even less in the chat area. The main purpose of the site for the majority of the, 250K (I believe that's the latest figure) registered users is to buy and sell....not really to communicate with each other.

[isitme]

Originally posted by cteall
Because he is MIA and wants to stay that way IMO

[/*]

I believe the discussion was about him finding out what she was saying about him BEFORE he went missing. Not why he would be reading chat now - which TMK she hasn't been in chat since she reported him missing. At least nobody that frequents the chats has reported anywhere that I have read that she was there.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by desmom


Some chat boards have an invisible option. Could he have logged in to chat invisible?

TIA [/*]

desmom, I'm not sure about E having that option, maybe diane can could answer that for us

[isitme]

I think that has been answered here by mc528:


quote:
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Originally posted by desmom


Some chat boards have an invisible option. Could he have logged in to chat invisible?

TIA [/*]
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No you cannot (I just tried again, to be sure on that), and the *rooms* themselves are very different from Pogo (I spend a lot of time there myself).

[mc528]

Originally posted by mc528



Just another note on the "secret identity" aspect. Yes, technically you can have multiple accounts there, but it is not the norm. You are not allowed to create "sock puppet" or fake accounts - if you are having discovered to have done so you will likely be banned from the site.....all of your accounts, not just the one fake one. The most common reason for setting up multiple accounts is to have different shops (carrying a variety in products), or to have a *buyer* only account that is different from your *seller* identity. E*** is not really a social networking type of site, it is an e-commerce site that happens to have forums and chat capability (among other fancy gizmos). The statistics that the site admin have released are that less than 1% of the registered users ever participate in the forums, and even less in the chat area. The main purpose of the site for the majority of the, 250K (I believe that's the latest figure) registered users is to buy and sell....not really to communicate with each other. [/*]


Another note, as I'm sure you all have discovered if you've clicked on any of the links on this board to the forums there....the forums on E*** are 100% public, and there is no way to know who is reading them at any given time. So, if NF did want to see what what being said there about this case, even without a new log-in ID he could read any and all of the forum threads. (just couldn't get into the chat room area without being logged in)

[wondering?]

It would seem to me that Nicholas would have been too busy to be reading chat sessions of his wife, with working long hours, children, all their activities that were shown by the photos and remodeling a room for Christine's business and just taking care of house type things.

I know that my husband has no time left to even read these message boards.

The statement about "leaves toast in toaster" left me wondering for sure. Then I thought perhaps that is what he was known for, at home and at work. My husband does that sometimes, forgets it there, eats rest of breakfast and is too full then to eat the toast. But I wouldn't say that is the most annoying thing that he would be known for.
But for Nicholas, it could be!

An attempt at humor? Wow, wouldn't think anyone would feel humor at anything that would be put on a Missing Poster.

Why is this case so important to us, when there are so many other missing men out there?
For me, it was the first interview that I saw on Greta, hearing the pain in Christine's voice and knowing that those beautiful children need their Dad and she needs her husband, emotionally and financially.

Where are u Nicholas We may never know, unfortunately!

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Danette44


desmom, I'm not sure about E having that option, maybe diane can could answer that for us [/*]

Me believes that MC all ready answered that.

When you enter chat, your avatar shows up below where you type ... so everybody can see you. If you're not known, then you could sit and watch. Most likely though, somebody will say hello and ask what you sell. :D

[SHinS]

quote:
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Originally posted by figritout


I guess we come from a different kind of family? No.. there is something really wrong here.. CF seems to be on her own, Except, excuse me, going to offend some people here I am sure, some really stupid supporters,, Do you not think the family would be front and center, unless there were problems.. OK hit me with your best shot.. Defend this.. There is no defense.. [/*]
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G'morning all!

You're absolutely right, there is little to defend here.


Although I wouldn't necessarily call her suporters "stupid" but rather naive. Very naive and gullible.
If you're referring to her etsy supporters they definitely seem naive and surely fell for her every word since day one.
In their defence and as a fellow etsyan, however, I must say that most etsyans seem to be very helpful, caring & friendly people and my guess is that CF knew that and that is PRECISELY why she "started/fueled" the whole prayer(aka donations) threads knowing ppl will likely try and help in whatever way they could. Which is exactly what happened!
Etsyans are known to turn to E forums to get help/advice/support of any kind and I am convinced CF was aware of it and turned it to her advantage. IMO MOO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by mc528


Pogo...I meant. I have only been into the chat rooms on the E*** site a couple of times. [/*]

you're not copy and pasting using the paint shop programs, you can freeze any kind of room and save it......I will have to see if any old timers are online this weekend and ask them......pogo is a game room and it will show the game you're playing and also that chat right next to it.....I was just using pogo as an example.......

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by mc528




You can file for an extension to pay, but you still have to file the 1040 forms by April 15. And, if she wants to be eligible for that *rebate* that's coming out in the summer, she needs to file by 4/15...the eligibility for that will be based on information received to the IRS by the filing deadline. It's been mentioned that there is a financial advisor that CF's been meeting with, so maybe, if the taxes haven't already been filed then the advisor can help her out. MOO [/*]

Actually you file for the extension and then don't have to file the 1040 or whatever forms you are filing until the extension deadline. If you owe money.. then you will still be responsible for any interest on that money from 4/15 on.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by wondering?

Why is this case so important to us, when there are so many other missing men out there?/*]

For me, it was because I'm an Etsy member (have we been told we can't use the site's name on here?).

I've seen C in chat a few times, and then saw her first post in the forums.

I did post on the 'holding hands' thread, and offered my prayers and concerns.

But when I kept reading over and over, the same things ... money, money, money, I tried to ask if we could please offer suggestions, hints, tips ... but was told I shouldn't .. and to open up a new thread.

I did .. and then they complained about that, and got it shut down.

So .. I heard about here, and joined so I could discuss it freely. WELL, lately though .. that's getting sticky too.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Danette44


you're not copy and pasting using the paint shop programs, you can freeze any kind of room and save it......I will have to see if any old timers are online this weekend and ask them......pogo is a game room and it will show the game you're playing and also that chat right next to it.....I was just using pogo as an example....... [/*]

Sorry. Not using a paint shop program on a regular basis I'm not familiar how that technology can be used in an Etsy chat room. (the *room* itself is the entire screen). I was just making a comparison that the set-up of the chat itself is not at all typical of other *chats* that I have ever used before, including Pogo, AOL, or my instant message system through work. And my note about Pogo, was just to clarify that I spend a lot of time on Pogo, as opposed to the chat area on E***. Sorry if I said something incorrect, or misinterpretted your earlier questions.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by wondering?
It would seem to me that Nicholas would have been too busy to be reading chat sessions of his wife, with working long hours, children, all their activities that were shown by the photos and remodeling a room for Christine's business and just taking care of house type things.

I know that my husband has no time left to even read these message boards.

The statement about "leaves toast in toaster" left me wondering for sure. Then I thought perhaps that is what he was known for, at home and at work. My husband does that sometimes, forgets it there, eats rest of breakfast and is too full then to eat the toast. But I wouldn't say that is the most annoying thing that he would be known for.
But for Nicholas, it could be!

An attempt at humor? Wow, wouldn't think anyone would feel humor at anything that would be put on a Missing Poster.

Why is this case so important to us, when there are so many other missing men out there?
For me, it was the first interview that I saw on Greta, hearing the pain in Christine's voice and knowing that those beautiful children need their Dad and she needs her husband, emotionally and financially.

Where are u Nicholas We may never know, unfortunately! [/*]

Hi wondering? Christine didn't care for Greta at all - guess it was all the questions she asks, but for Nancy Grace, oh she liked her alot - but what is strange Greta is very good at answering her email even during her show on breaks, but alot of people here have wrote her and just asked if she could please do a update on Nicholas and none of us got a reply back from Greta thats is unusaul for Greta. Even the same with Nancy - just show Nicholas's picture at end of show - to me that would be really keeping his picture out there worldwide! jmoo

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by SHinS
quote:
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Originally posted by figritout


I guess we come from a different kind of family? No.. there is something really wrong here.. CF seems to be on her own, Except, excuse me, going to offend some people here I am sure, some really stupid supporters,, Do you not think the family would be front and center, unless there were problems.. OK hit me with your best shot.. Defend this.. There is no defense.. [/*]
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G'morning all!

You're absolutely right, there is little to defend here.


Although I wouldn't necessarily call her suporters "stupid" but rather naive. Very naive and gullible.
If you're referring to her etsy supporters they definitely seem naive and surely fell for her every word since day one.
In their defence and as a fellow etsyan, however, I must say that most etsyans seem to be very helpful, caring & friendly people and my guess is that CF knew that and that is PRECISELY why she "started/fueled" the whole prayer(aka donations) threads knowing ppl will likely try and help in whatever way they could. Which is exactly what happened!
Etsyans are known to turn to E forums to get help/advice/support of any kind and I am convinced CF was aware of it and turned it to her advantage. IMO MOO [/*]

If you knew that you were going to offend some people figfitout.. and that your post was possibly against TOS.. then why say it? Just because some people don't fall under the same belief as you does not make them "stupid".. "naive.. or "gullible". We need to stick to addressing the posts and not attacking the posters for their views. Otherwise what kind of board is this if only one side can state their opinion.

[mc528]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Actually you file for the extension and then don't have to file the 1040 or whatever forms you are filing until the extension deadline. If you owe money.. then you will still be responsible for any interest on that money from 4/15 on. [/*]


Sorry. I was incorrect again. :o

[SHinS]

Good Morning:

The person who posted on the E site, said this:

----------------------------------------------------

Within hours of learning of these circumstances, I became aware that the family was in dire need of some financial support as money was needed to provide search materials-fliers and posters, reward money and more.

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Within HOURS?

None of the contributions went to the reward money. Didn't somebody else put that money up?

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What I'd like to know is WHO told her that the $ would go towards the reward/flyers/posters?
She couldn't have made that up... IMO
Obviously that turned out to be misleading/inaccurate *.s(pardon me) since CF herself later said all $ donations went towards paying her bills.

I bet A LOT of folks thought their $ contribution would go towards the reward and got duped. IMOO :mad: :no:

[RainyNiteNTx]

There are a lot of missing people, but there are also a lot of posters on those forums discussing some of those missing people. For me, I usually concentrate on one missing person at a time. It started with Samantha Runyion and then Jessica Lunsford. I had to take a break after it was discovered how Jessie died.

This one tugged at me because it seemed that Nicholas had very long days in his life and I immediately felt sympathy for him. Now after reading everything I feel even more sorry for him because I don't know if HE knew he was loved and appreciated. I'm sure he was, but sometimes people don't know it which can lead to self defeat, depression, and a give up on life attitude. This scares me the most probably about all of this.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by mc528


Sorry. Not using a paint shop program on a regular basis I'm not familiar how that technology can be used in an Etsy chat room. (the *room* itself is the entire screen). I was just making a comparison that the set-up of the chat itself is not at all typical of other *chats* that I have ever used before, including Pogo, AOL, or my instant message system through work. And my note about Pogo, was just to clarify that I spend a lot of time on Pogo, as opposed to the chat area on E***. Sorry if I said something incorrect, or misinterpretted your earlier questions. [/*]

No you didn't - I was just using it as an example......but I don't know for sure if you can do it there, but if I find out maybe you can try it and let us know.....but I personally don't think that happen (someone copying a post) and sending it to him. It seems she is involved alot in the internet so he could of seen things anywhere.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hi wondering? Christine didn't care for Greta at all - guess it was all the questions she asks, but for Nancy Grace, oh she liked her alot - but what is strange Greta is very good at answering her email even during her show on breaks, but alot of people here have wrote her and just asked if she could please do a update on Nicholas and none of us got a reply back from Greta thats is unusaul for Greta. Even the same with Nancy - just show Nicholas's picture at end of show - to me that would be really keeping his picture out there worldwide! jmoo [/*]

CF has lashed out at posters on boards for their opinions. Maybe she did the same to Greta through an email.

jmo

:shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by mc528


Sorry. Not using a paint shop program on a regular basis I'm not familiar how that technology can be used in an Etsy chat room. (the *room* itself is the entire screen). I was just making a comparison that the set-up of the chat itself is not at all typical of other *chats* that I have ever used before, including Pogo, AOL, or my instant message system through work. And my note about Pogo, was just to clarify that I spend a lot of time on Pogo, as opposed to the chat area on E***. Sorry if I said something incorrect, or misinterpretted your earlier questions. [/*]

Are we not allowed to mention the selling site that she uses anymore? I noticed everyone has been using *'s some of the letters. What is up with that?

TIA

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If you knew that you were going to offend some people figfitout.. and that your post was possibly against TOS.. then why say it? Just because some people don't fall under the same belief as you does not make them "stupid".. "naive.. or "gullible". We need to stick to addressing the posts and not attacking the posters for their views. Otherwise what kind of board is this if only one side can state their opinion. [/*]

I agree with this Mystry. I'm always open to reading other's opinions - that is why I enjoyed Musterion so much. Even last night Kindra and I talked in PM but to the board it may have looked like we were on opposite "sides". I would just like the truth and if Christine has it, I think she should come forward.

I don't think she had anything to do with his disappearance, but I do wonder if he discussed some things with her possibly about his leaving that she cannot bring herself to accept. JMO

[desmom]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Are we not allowed to mention the selling site that she uses anymore? I noticed everyone has been using *'s some of the letters. What is up with that?

TIA [/*]

IIRC, CW posted a warning re that board's name.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by mc528



Sorry. I was incorrect again. :o [/*]

Oh.. no big. Just was saying.. she could file for the extension without having to file her 1040 right now. I kinda doubt that they would owe anything tho. With one income, a home and 2 children.. they probably would have been getting back.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by desmom


CF has lashed out at posters on boards for their opinions. Maybe she did the same to Greta through an email.

jmo

:shrug: [/*]

With Christine - anything is possible lol I would just love to have them show Nichoals's picture at the end of their shows. I mean I have friends that live in Monroe Wa. and they never heard of this case - but they do watch Greta. That would be great advertisement. jmoo

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by desmom


IIRC, CW posted a warning re that board's name. [/*]

Oh really?

I didn't know that. Thanks.

I still am wondering why tho.

[mc528]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Are we not allowed to mention the selling site that she uses anymore? I noticed everyone has been using *'s some of the letters. What is up with that?

TIA [/*]


I have just been following what I've been seeing others do. I do know that it's been mentioned that the discussions here should not be made to be about Etsy....the focus needs to stay on NF being missing. It seems, that whenever even the word Etsy (which I don't think is really a real word :) ) comes up, the conversations tend to get a little ugly. Maybe we're all trying to not have that happen. Of course, I could very well have missed an official notice from CW to refrain from mentioning specific sites.
MOO

[SHinS]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If you knew that you were going to offend some people figfitout.. and that your post was possibly against TOS.. then why say it? Just because some people don't fall under the same belief as you does not make them "stupid".. "naive.. or "gullible". We need to stick to addressing the posts and not attacking the posters for their views. Otherwise what kind of board is this if only one side can state their opinion. [/*]


I am the one who said they are likely "naive" and "gullible".

(I quoted Frigitout from last night's thread.)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


IIRC, CW posted a warning re that board's name. [/*]

She did.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I agree with this Mystry. I'm always open to reading other's opinions - that is why I enjoyed Musterion so much. Even last night Kindra and I talked in PM but to the board it may have looked like we were on opposite "sides". I would just like the truth and if Christine has it, I think she should come forward.

I don't think she had anything to do with his disappearance, but I do wonder if he discussed some things with her possibly about his leaving that she cannot bring herself to accept. JMO [/*]

Thank you and I still wonder if what we talked about in PM doesn't have something to do with it and could be why she seems to be holding something back. I know it has been talked about to death but I still think that the church has some connection. Just not sure how.

She has already admitted that she hasn't told everything. Hopefully she has to the police tho.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Danette44


No you didn't - I was just using it as an example......but I don't know for sure if you can do it there, but if I find out maybe you can try it and let us know.....but I personally don't think that happen (someone copying a post) and sending it to him. It seems she is involved alot in the internet so he could of seen things anywhere. [/*]

Very true. And if he were reading her chats and posts everywhere wouldn't it have been because he was suspicious of her for some reason, or just curious and stumbled into something she said?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Thank you and I still wonder if what we talked about in PM doesn't have something to do with it and could be why she seems to be holding something back. I know it has been talked about to death but I still think that the church has some connection. Just not sure how.

She has already admitted that she hasn't told everything. Hopefully she has to the police tho. [/*]

Right - I hope she has also, because if she hasn't, the clock is ticking on Nicholas' well being IMO.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SHinS
Good Morning:

The person who posted on the E site, said this:

----------------------------------------------------

Within hours of learning of these circumstances, I became aware that the family was in dire need of some financial support as money was needed to provide search materials-fliers and posters, reward money and more.

-------------------------------------------------

Within HOURS?

None of the contributions went to the reward money. Didn't somebody else put that money up?

---------------------------------------------------


What I'd like to know is WHO told her that the $ would go towards the reward/flyers/posters?
She couldn't have made that up... IMO
Obviously that turned out to be misleading/inaccurate *.s(pardon me) since CF herself later said all $ donations went towards paying her bills.

I bet A LOT of folks thought their $ contribution would go towards the reward and got duped. IMOO :mad: :no: [/*]

I'm sure you're right.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme


Very true. And if he were reading her chats and posts everywhere wouldn't it have been because he was suspicious of her for some reason, or just curious and stumbled into something she said? [/*]

Speaking of....did anyone understand Cat Toy's post last night about the Facebook thing? I'm not familiar with that at all and certainly would not know how to navigate through it.

[dianaelaine]

OK, so why don't we use the words

Her Biz Site ... or something similiar

Was it perhaps not to be used in reference with putting the site down?

I know I did say some negative things about it, and maybe that's what CW meant.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Danette44


With Christine - anything is possible lol I would just love to have them show Nichoals's picture at the end of their shows. I mean I have friends that live in Monroe Wa. and they never heard of this case - but they do watch Greta. That would be great advertisement. jmoo [/*]

Hey.. I grew up in Snohomish.. one town over from Monroe.

I haven't seen anything on any news shows. We have one on in the afternoon.. that is just a local show.. called Northwest Afternoon. I never watch it because I'm not home when it is on but when I search on KOMO's site for Nicholas's name.. I get a show that they did about Nicholas' disappearance with Christine. I can't find any transcript of anything tho. Not sure if it even aired. I have emailed them about it. I think you can buy transcripts of that show.. so, we will see if they get back to me.

But.. other than that.. most people I talk to haven't heard anything about the disappearance.

[SHinS]

quote:
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Originally posted by wondering?

Why is this case so important to us, when there are so many other missing men out there?/*]
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I'm an E* member and kept seeing daily posts about her missing husband for days after his disappearance and around that time I finally decided to google what that whole story was all about.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by desmom


CF has lashed out at posters on boards for their opinions. Maybe she did the same to Greta through an email.

jmo

:shrug: [/*]

Video from Greta LiveWire pre-show with producer Steff Watts from Monday 3/3(?). After discussing DP and marine, CF topic begins @ 1:23
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?030308/030308_greta_2livewire&On_the_Record&Greta%20Live%20Wire&acc&On%20the%20Record&-1&Shows&599&&&new

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
There are a lot of missing people, but there are also a lot of posters on those forums discussing some of those missing people. For me, I usually concentrate on one missing person at a time. It started with Samantha Runyion and then Jessica Lunsford. I had to take a break after it was discovered how Jessie died.

This one tugged at me because it seemed that Nicholas had very long days in his life and I immediately felt sympathy for him. Now after reading everything I feel even more sorry for him because I don't know if HE knew he was loved and appreciated. I'm sure he was, but sometimes people don't know it which can lead to self defeat, depression, and a give up on life attitude. This scares me the most probably about all of this. [/*]

Yes. If I think of that possibility it makes me sad, and listening to the music of his favorite band, Helio Sequence makes me a bit sad too.

Has anyone been listening to the songs or read the lyrics? Some nice songs.

The band played at Neumo's in Seattle on March 8th. I wonder if N was planning to see them.

Neumo's
925 E Pike St
Seattle, Washington 98122
47.614, -122.32
Category
Music
Description
Helio Sequence is a 'sub-pop' band from Portland, Oregon

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/435950
http://www.myspace.com/theheliosequence

[desmom]

I was reading last night's posts and wanted to throw in my 2 cents about a couple of things.

NF leaving his children~I have a very dear friend that is just fantastic with children. She often volunteers to babysit for her nieces and nephews and does not miss any of their school functions. She also volunteers twice a month in her church's preschool class. She does not under any circumstances want children of her own. Could this be the same situation with NF? :shrug:

Baking cookies - maybe the "going to bake cookies with his daughter" was something CF believed, but NF was unaware of the plans. CF said she talked to him a couple times through the day. Is it possible she called him about their daughter wanting to bake cookies when he was in the middle of something at work...one of those half listening-half looking at his work and replied with "sure whatever"?

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Video from Greta LiveWire pre-show with producer Steff Watts from Monday 3/3(?). After discussing DP and marine, CF topic begins @ 1:23
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?030308/030308_greta_2livewire&On_the_Record&Greta%20Live%20Wire&acc&On%20the%20Record&-1&Shows&599&&&new [/*]

Thank you for this - did I hear him right? Christine said she had no one to help her and no one to help search?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Hey.. I grew up in Snohomish.. one town over from Monroe.

I haven't seen anything on any news shows. We have one on in the afternoon.. that is just a local show.. called Northwest Afternoon. I never watch it because I'm not home when it is on but when I search on KOMO's site for Nicholas's name.. I get a show that they did about Nicholas' disappearance with Christine. I can't find any transcript of anything tho. Not sure if it even aired. I have emailed them about it. I think you can buy transcripts of that show.. so, we will see if they get back to me.

But.. other than that.. most people I talk to haven't heard anything about the disappearance. [/*]

Thats sad isn't it....and she keeps asking what more can she do to help find Nicholas.

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Video from Greta LiveWire pre-show with producer Steff Watts from Monday 3/3(?). After discussing DP and marine, CF topic begins @ 1:23
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?030308/030308_greta_2livewire&On_the_Record&Greta%20Live%20Wire&acc&On%20the%20Record&-1&Shows&599&&&new [/*]

Thanks for that. So the producer says he followed up and spoke to C and he says he feels really sorry for her 'cause she's out there alone, she doesn't have any help, no one's looking for her husband...

It's difficult to reconcile this with the extended family, co-workers, friends, church community, volunteers, and online community that seemed to be more than willing to help and have helped. Has that really stopped, and if so, why?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thank you for this - did I hear him right? Christine said she had no one to help her and no one to help search? [/*]

YW, that is what I heard as well.
jmo

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Speaking of....did anyone understand Cat Toy's post last night about the Facebook thing? I'm not familiar with that at all and certainly would not know how to navigate through it. [/*]

No I'm not a member but I'm interested in hearing more about what she meant...

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom
I was reading last night's posts and wanted to throw in my 2 cents about a couple of things.

NF leaving his children~I have a very dear friend that is just fantastic with children. She often volunteers to babysit for her nieces and nephews and does not miss any of their school functions. She also volunteers twice a month in her church's preschool class. She does not under any circumstances want children of her own. Could this be the same situation with NF? :shrug:

Baking cookies - maybe the "going to bake cookies with his daughter" was something CF believed, but NF was unaware of the plans. CF said she talked to him a couple times through the day. Is it possible she called him about their daughter wanting to bake cookies when he was in the middle of something at work...one of those half listening-half looking at his work and replied with "sure whatever"?

jmo [/*]

I've also thought along these lines. People (and Christine) saying NF wouldn't do this to his daughter, and I agree. If it was Chiristine's idea as I suspect it was, and NF had already planned to leave, then CF calls him at work and suggests the cookie baking what could he say but yes. I just don't see NF suggesting or planning cookie baking with the kids knowing he was leaving that night, (if that's what happened). I'm also starting to question the whole story about plans for cookie baking on Wednesday.

In regard to the children we all know in many ways it gets easier as they grow. Z and N were at ages where they would be fun, and could do many things for themselves not just be cared for 24/7, share in some of NF's interests and kind of hang out with him, and be enthusiatic about seeing daddy at the end of the day. Now along comes #3 and they're back to bottles, diapers, and 2am feedings. Maybe CF is irritable during pregnancy, maybe she made his life a living h*ll when a newborn came in the house, maybe she felt he should get up with the baby, maybe he was responsible for the meals because she was tired and whiney, etc....could be this was one of the straws that contributed to breaking the camel's back. Maybe NF felt he just couldn't go through this again, and with 2 children already in the house and needing his time and attention.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Yes. If I think of that possibility it makes me sad, and listening to the music of his favorite band, Helio Sequence makes me a bit sad too.

Has anyone been listening to the songs or read the lyrics? Some nice songs.

The band played at Neumo's in Seattle on March 8th. I wonder if N was planning to see them.

Neumo's
925 E Pike St
Seattle, Washington 98122
47.614, -122.32
Category
Music
Description
Helio Sequence is a 'sub-pop' band from Portland, Oregon

http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/435950
http://www.myspace.com/theheliosequence [/*]

No I can't listen to it - I'll be even more sad lol - I'm a sap.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Thanks for that. So the producer says he followed up and spoke to C and he says he feels really sorry for her 'cause she's out there alone, she doesn't have any help, no one's looking for her husband...

It's difficult to reconcile this with the extended family, co-workers, friends, church community, volunteers, and online community that seemed to be more than willing to help and have helped. Has that really stopped, and if so, why? [/*]

Its documented on that biz site that people were taking shifts staying with her -employees walked and walked looking for him - why does she do this?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thank you for this - did I hear him right? Christine said she had no one to help her and no one to help search? [/*]

Rainy - could you please tell us what it says, I have a heck of a time with dial up to d/l these.......ugh! wish I could get dsl out in these woods!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Rainy - could you please tell us what it says, I have a heck of a time with dial up to d/l these.......ugh! wish I could get dsl out in these woods! [/*]

The producer is saying he feels sorry for her because she is out there alone with no help and no one looking for Nicholas.

[kpb]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Speaking of....did anyone understand Cat Toy's post last night about the Facebook thing? I'm not familiar with that at all and certainly would not know how to navigate through it. [/*]

I was wondering too. She mentioned that she could tell when/where CF visited.... mentioning handsome guys, but she didn't elaborate?? Does anyone else know what she was talking about?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


The way Etsy works is, you have to be signed in to view chat rooms, and to send convo's (conversations). [/*]

In my theory I was talking about E members as I understand you must be logged in. Who else would want to cause trouble between NF and CF except a angry, jealous E member ? We have not seen or heard of any other group with such strong feelings about CF so in my opinion that is the direction we need to spend a few threads on.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I'm sure the producer got it wrong just as every reporter who has covered this got it wrong.

No one to help her? Round the clock shifts, food being delivered, gifts being delivered for the kids, money being donated to the point she needs a financial advisor. Funds set up in so many different places.

No one looking for Nicholas? If she is referring to LE, I have to agree - they are not doing what they should/could be doing IMO. But maybe she forgot the things they did do - got his cell phone records - dusted for fingerprints - brought in tracking dogs - his sisters taking off work to look for him - employees canvassing the area - there is a whole list of sites on the friend's blog of areas that were searched.

No one helping? Blogs all over the internet with Nicholas' picture and facts about the case (everywhere except her blog and her MySpace).

I don't get it - never will.

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Thanks for that. So the producer says he followed up and spoke to C and he says he feels really sorry for her 'cause she's out there alone, she doesn't have any help, no one's looking for her husband...

It's difficult to reconcile this with the extended family, co-workers, friends, church community, volunteers, and online community that seemed to be more than willing to help and have helped. Has that really stopped, and if so, why? [/*]


:confused:

How could it have gone from 'he's loved/liked and that is why there are so many people searching for him'(sorry I couldn't find the original quote) to 'no one is looking for him anymore'.
:confused:

[need2no]

Originally posted by mc528



I've only quoted a piece of n/t's post.....

Was the information that NF was stopping after work specifically for sugar ever confirmed by anyone other than CF? Has anyone else come forward to say that they were given that information directly from NF?

I know it's been mentioned before, and my point to the two questions is, much of what we are all assuming to be the true facts in this case, like NF stopping specifically for sugar, are simply what CF has told us to be the *facts*. How many of these puzzle pieces have actually been corraborated (sp?) by a second source?

I'm not, at this point, insinuating that CF is necessarily lying, but it does appear - from the outside looking in - that she has tried pretty hard to paint a fairy-tale picture of her marriage - so maybe a fairy-tale last day of having seen NF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

If we take the pieces of this puzzle, and remove the parts that have only been supported by CF's word alone, how much are we left with?

All of the above is MOO/JMO....and rambled pre-coffee. [/*]

"If we take the pieces of this puzzle, and remove the parts that have only been supported by CF's word alone, how much are we left with?"

Not much...
This is the problem as I see it. We are trying to piece a puzzle together and some people are hanging on CF's words as if they are gospel and many of them may not be true, or completely true. Some seem to think this or that can't be possible because they are taking at face value what CF has offered up to us, and can't or don't want to believe it may not all be pure fact.This may be steering some away from getting to the truth about what really happened.

We don't know if the cookie baking on Wed. night was true, and if true whether it was CF or NF's idea.
We don't know if they were already drowning in debt. CF wouldn't want to admit this because this could be a motive for NF walking away.
We don't know if a fairy-tale marriage existed, or existed only in CF's mind.
We don't know if NF was really thrilled about the pregnancy.
We don't know if they left the church just to find another one more suitable to the families needs.
We don't know if there was a long standing rift between CF and NF's family, and if so why.
We don't know if NF came home Wednesday night, but left in anger.

Etc., etc...............

[ThruTheTrees]

I see that Christine has removed her daughter's photo from the family blog, as people here suggested that she do. Now the only photos left are the butterfly, and Christine with her curls.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I'm sure the producer got it wrong just as every reporter who has covered this got it wrong.

No one to help her? Round the clock shifts, food being delivered, gifts being delivered for the kids, money being donated to the point she needs a financial advisor. Funds set up in so many different places.

No one looking for Nicholas? If she is referring to LE, I have to agree - they are not doing what they should/could be doing IMO. But maybe she forgot the things they did do - got his cell phone records - dusted for fingerprints - brought in tracking dogs - his sisters taking off work to look for him - employees canvassing the area - there is a whole list of sites on the friend's blog of areas that were searched.

No one helping? Blogs all over the internet with Nicholas' picture and facts about the case (everywhere except her blog and her MySpace).

I don't get it - never will. [/*]

I agree, except about LE. We, and very possibly Christine, don't know what LE may be doing behind the scenes. I've followed cases before where it appears they are doing nothing for weeks, months...only to find out down the road our perception was wrong and there were very good reasons they kept quiet.

[desmom]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
I see that Christine has removed her daughter's photo from the family blog, as people here suggested that she do. Now the only photos left are the butterfly, and Christine with her curls. [/*]

Thank Goodness! It drives me nuts when I see people post pics of children on public boards.

jmo

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
I see that Christine has removed her daughter's photo from the family blog, as people here suggested that she do. Now the only photos left are the butterfly, and Christine with her curls. [/*]

That's great, but I'm not sure why her pic still needs to be there. Not being caddy just don't see the point is all.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no


I agree, except about LE. We, and very possibly Christine, don't know what LE may be doing behind the scenes. I've followed cases before where it appears they are doing nothing for weeks, months...only to find out down the road our perception was wrong and there were very good reasons they kept quiet. [/*]

I'm really hoping that is what is happening here. Although I think for them to keep working on this, they would pretty much need to still believe there is a possibility of a crime, right?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no


I agree, except about LE. We, and very possibly Christine, don't know what LE may be doing behind the scenes. I've followed cases before where it appears they are doing nothing for weeks, months...only to find out down the road our perception was wrong and there were very good reasons they kept quiet. [/*]

You're right need - I stand corrected on that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


Thank Goodness! It drives me nuts when I see people post pics of children on public boards.

jmo [/*]

http://thefranciscos.com/

Do I have an old link because I still see her precious daughter on here.

[need2no]

Originally posted by SHinS



:confused:

How could it have gone from 'he's loved/liked and that is why there are so many people searching for him'(sorry I couldn't find the original quote) to 'no one is looking for him anymore'.
:confused: [/*]

Here you go:
FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://thefranciscos.com/

Do I have an old link because I still see her precious daughter on here. [/*]

I do to. :(

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://thefranciscos.com/

Do I have an old link because I still see her precious daughter on here. [/*]

I did at first too. Reload the page (hit F5 if you have a windows computer)

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


That's true Danette, forgot about that.

You can "Print Screen" and it will copy the chat room at that time. [/*]

There is also software that logs every thing on your computer and it would capture chats even though they move very fast. I can still see someone doing that. We just don't find any animosity in the lives of NF and CF except for those E posters on both boards, here, websleuth's and E.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


http://thefranciscos.com/

Do I have an old link because I still see her precious daughter on here. [/*]

That's what I see too.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I did at first too. Reload the page (hit F5 if you have a windows computer) [/*]

wow never knew that - its gone

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by huskiki


That's what I see too. [/*]

Press the "F5" function key on the top of your keyboard and that will reload the newest version of the page.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Press the "F5" function key on the top of your keyboard and that will reload the newest version of the page. [/*]

I did and I still see it. I'm in the twilight zone ...

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


wow never knew that - its gone [/*]

So is the family photo from December -- the one with the 4 of them in front of a friend's Christmas tree. All gone except Christine w/her curls, and the butterfly. Hmm.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did and I still see it. I'm in the twilight zone ... [/*]

Hmm.. you probably need to "clear your cache" or something (I forget how to do that!). Or if you usually type www.thefranciscos.com, then type it just "thefranciscos.com" or vice versa.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I'm really hoping that is what is happening here. Although I think for them to keep working on this, they would pretty much need to still believe there is a possibility of a crime, right? [/*]


Either believe a crime has occurred, or enough things look suspicious to substaniate a continued investigation to find SOMETHING to lead them to believe walked or foul play was most likely even if they never actually resolve the case.

Sometimes just one detective won't let go because his hinky meter is telling him not to. I hope that is the case here.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


So is the family photo from December -- the one with the 4 of them in front of a friend's Christmas tree. All gone except Christine w/her curls, and the butterfly. Hmm. [/*]

I still see "Zea Turns 4!" :shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did and I still see it. I'm in the twilight zone ... [/*]

Bring it up - hit F5 and you can see it kind of reload - scroll down - it should say "this picture is currently unavailable". However if I use my shortcut I previous had I still see her picture until I hit F5 again.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by cteall
I would think it would be significantly more important to keep Nics picture out there instead of hers....but that is JMO

[/*]

Yes, she doesn't have his photo there at all now.

I try to think of a reasonable reason why she doesn't have his photo on her blog or myspace. Because it is just too painful to see it and be reminded that he is gone? But the tv interviews showed photos of him in the background at their house, so she sees those every day. Maybe she thinks that having the link to the "findnicholasfrancisco.com" website is good enough and people will see the photo there.

Sends a very mixed message though.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by cteall
I would think it would be significantly more important to keep Nics picture out there instead of hers....but that is JMO

[/*]

I would think so too - it just feels like he is being erased away like writing on a chalkboard.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by mc528



Just another note on the "secret identity" aspect. Yes, technically you can have multiple accounts there, but it is not the norm. You are not allowed to create "sock puppet" or fake accounts - if you are having discovered to have done so you will likely be banned from the site.....all of your accounts, not just the one fake one. The most common reason for setting up multiple accounts is to have different shops (carrying a variety in products), or to have a *buyer* only account that is different from your *seller* identity. E*** is not really a social networking type of site, it is an e- [/*]

It is almost impossible to have two accounts on a forum in some cases. I set up an account on my moms computer at her home, as I am visiting there, at Websleuth's. The account was set up but before I could even post it was canceled. I guess there is no way to have two people from the same computer have their own identity. I will have to wait until I return home to become a member.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Bring it up - hit F5 and you can see it kind of reload - scroll down - it should say "this picture is currently unavailable". However if I use my shortcut I previous had I still see her picture until I hit F5 again. [/*]

I did all that and I even opened a new window and typed in www.thefranciscos.com. :cuss: Now I'll be checking that site all day and night until the pic disappears. I cleared everything too. sigh

So the rest of the free world does not see that pic. I noticed a while ago that she removed all pics of Nick and Noah, which I found odd. Now her daughter, except for the pic of the two of them, curly girls. Just as well, I don't like kids pics on the net, too many crazies out there.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by wondering?


Why is this case so important to us, when there are so many other missing men out there?
For me, it was the first interview that I saw on Greta, hearing the pain in Christine's voice and knowing that those beautiful children need their Dad and she needs her husband, emotionally and financially.

Where are u Nicholas We may never know, unfortunately! [/*]

Why is this case so important to me? Well, to be honest, it wasn't her interview on Greta. I was the fundraising I discovered online and I smelled a "scam" and it just caught my attention. So now I have gotten involved in the mystery of this case. Honestly, I have heard more anger and "matter of fact" in her voice than pain. We all seem things differently, don't we? And none of us really know what the truth is yet. But I think we will....

[mc528]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


There is also software that logs every thing on your computer and it would capture chats even though they move very fast. I can still see someone doing that. We just don't find any animosity in the lives of NF and CF except for those E posters on both boards, here, websleuth's and E. [/*]

I will have to respectifully disagree with you, if you are suggesting that the folks that came here from the biz site all have something against CF. IMO, that is simply not true.

That biz site is a very big place, more than three times the number of registered users than this site and WS put together, and I would venture a guess that only a very small handful had even any knowledge of CF (or NF) before the initial posts of Nicholas' disappearance in the forum there.

As to animosity in the lives of CF and NF, I haven't seen that here, WS or the biz site either. Questioning, yes. Maybe a few inappropriately worded posts, yes. But animosity to the point that someone would be deliberately causing a rift between the two of them, I haven't seen that. And as far as someone over there being jealous of CF as a motive to cause NF's disappearance - I'm sorry, IMO, I think that is a very big stretch. In comparison to the majority of the sellers her business was just average - and not even close to what would be defined as a true *success* for that site. I'm not certain what you think a person would be jealous of to the point of being involved in this mystery we are now all trying to figure out. Both CF and NF, from what it appears, were very active in many, many internet communities and sites.....why would it be assumed, if somehow an internet connection were involved, that it is that biz site that is the root?

Not trying to be antagonistic, honestly I'm not, but I do not understand the reasoning behind this, and your previous post.


MOO/JMO/IMO

[desmom]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did all that and I even opened a new window and typed in www.thefranciscos.com. :cuss: Now I'll be checking that site all day and night until the pic disappears. I cleared everything too. sigh

So the rest of the free world does not see that pic. I noticed a while ago that she removed all pics of Nick and Noah, which I found odd. Now her daughter, except for the pic of the two of them, curly girls. Just as well, I don't like kids pics on the net, too many crazies out there. [/*]

You and me both...I cleared everything and ran CCleaner. I still see the photo.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Yes, she doesn't have his photo there at all now.

I try to think of a reasonable reason why she doesn't have his photo on her blog or myspace. Because it is just too painful to see it and be reminded that he is gone? But the tv interviews showed photos of him in the background at their house, so she sees those every day. Maybe she thinks that having the link to the "findnicholasfrancisco.com" website is good enough and people will see the photo there.

Sends a very mixed message though. [/*]

Seems to me it would be pretty difficult to forget Nicholas is gone.
Surely there is photos of Nic in their house, what's the difference between seeing those everyday and seeing his face on her blog when she logs in. She should remove her photo which contributes nothing to this missing person case and replace it with a pic of Nicholas immediately. No excuse or rationale for not doing so makes any sense to me.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by desmom


You and me both...I cleared everything and ran CCleaner. I still see the photo. [/*]

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not alone.

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by desmom


You and me both...I cleared everything and ran CCleaner. I still see the photo. [/*]

I'm on a computer today that I've never been to that site. The daughter's pic is there for me too, the first time for this computer to go there. ???

[kpb]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did and I still see it. I'm in the twilight zone ... [/*]

I see it too. I've refreshed and refreshed and still there.

[kpb]

Originally posted by mc528


I will have to respectifully disagree with you, if you are suggesting that the folks that came here from the biz site all have something against CF. IMO, that is simply not true.

That biz site is a very big place, more than three times the number of registered users than this site and WS put together, and I would venture a guess that only a very small handful had even any knowledge of CF (or NF) before the initial posts of Nicholas' disappearance in the forum there.

As to animosity in the lives of CF and NF, I haven't seen that here, WS or the biz site either. Questioning, yes. Maybe a few inappropriately worded posts, yes. But animosity to the point that someone would be deliberately causing a rift between the two of them, I haven't seen that. And as far as someone over there being jealous of CF as a motive to cause NF's disappearance - I'm sorry, IMO, I think that is a very big stretch. In comparison to the majority of the sellers her business was just average - and not even close to what would be defined as a true *success* for that site. I'm not certain what you think a person would be jealous of to the point of being involved in this mystery we are now all trying to figure out. Both CF and NF, from what it appears, were very active in many, many internet communities and sites.....why would it be assumed, if somehow an internet connection were involved, that it is that biz site that is the root?

Not trying to be antagonistic, honestly I'm not, but I do not understand the reasoning behind this, and your previous post.


MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

Couldn't agree more. That is quite a stretch of the imagination. I maybe could see with a very popular seller that seems to be an E*** favorite, a feautured seller, frequent highlighed in articles, etc... and maybe you sell the same items and you are jealous, but I don't believe she was that known... it seems the regular forum posters weren't aware of who she was when she posted her first husband missing message.

[Old Timer]

Harlett has this posted on Help Find the Missing site. Many of you are probably familiar but I hadn't seen it before.

Some good advice about getting help from friends/family, crime victim services, interacting with LE and media, awareness events, etc.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


The producer is saying he feels sorry for her because she is out there alone with no help and no one looking for Nicholas. [/*]

She definately knows how to get sympathy.....
I know people like that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Old Timer
Harlett has this posted on Help Find the Missing site. Many of you are probably familiar but I hadn't seen it before.

Some good advice about getting help from friends/family, crime victim services, interacting with LE and media, awareness events, etc.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23 [/*]

Didn't Harlett mention her team being in Seattle this week-end or did I dream that?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by kpb


I see it too. I've refreshed and refreshed and still there. [/*]

Strange. Try it again in a few hours or tomorrow -- the internets can be so weird sometimes. :) I just looked at the site from a different browser, and the "curly girls" photo is still there too.

It must have something to do with how the web host caches the photos and maybe something with flickr too.

[mc528]

Originally posted by kpb


Couldn't agree more. That is quite a stretch of the imagination. I maybe could see with a very popular seller that seems to be an E*** favorite, a feautured seller, frequent highlighed in articles, etc... and maybe you sell the same items and you are jealous, but I don't believe she was that known... it seems the regular forum posters weren't aware of who she was when she posted her first husband missing message. [/*]


I can say that I personally was not aware of her, and I am/was a pretty regular poster in the forums......over 7000 threads posted in since I started on the site the summer of 2006. I spent far too many hours in the forum, but I also observed quite a bit in having done so...and never observed what is being suggested. JMO/IMO

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by cteall
hmmmm, a family blog with pictures included but only of one person? Why have any pictures on there at all?

[/*]
Well I believe you all have been berating her for every thing that "you" wouldn't do so she removed all other photo's. There is nothing wrong with photo's being on her family blog. There address was not posted there, their websites were registered to a PO box, which most intelligent do for safety. The only reason to remove any photo's was because the crime boards posted links to all their web sites and also posted their home address and possibly home phone number. Now you continue to berate her for your error in posting that that information. There is nothing wrong with her photo being on her blog. The internet is home to a lot of information other than crime blogs.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Well I believe you all have been berating her for every thing that "you" wouldn't do so she removed all other photo's. There is nothing wrong with photo's being on her family blog. There address was not posted there, their websites were registered to a PO box, which most intelligent do for safety. The only reason to remove any photo's was because the crime boards posted links to all their web sites and also posted their home address and possibly home phone number. Now you continue to berate her for your error in posting that that information. There is nothing wrong with her photo being on her blog. The internet is home to a lot of information other than crime blogs. [/*]

Well I can tell you this - if I had asked others to put my husband's picture on their blog and MySpace, I sure would put it on mine. If nothing more than out of respect for him.

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Well I can tell you this - if I had asked others to put my husband's picture on their blog and MySpace, I sure would put it on mine. If nothing more than out of respect for him. [/*]

I agree.

[SeattleEddie]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cteall
IMO!!! We are now left with a "missing" man that is wearing his laptop instead of his wedding ring. IMO!!!

WOW. That's a big clue.

MOO etc.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


The producer is saying he feels sorry for her because she is out there alone with no help and no one looking for Nicholas. [/*]

Thank you, some may not agree with what I just did, but for her telling the producer that......I just copied all Christine help sites and sent them to Greta just in case they haven't seen it........so wonder why this update isn't on the new website?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by mc528


I will have to respectifully disagree with you, if you are suggesting that the folks that came here from the biz site all have something against CF. IMO, that is simply not true.

That biz site is a very big place, more than three times the number of registered users than this site and WS put together, and I would venture a guess that only a very small handful had even any knowledge of CF (or NF) before the initial posts of Nicholas' disappearance in the forum there.

As to animosity in the lives of CF and NF, I haven't seen that here, WS or the biz site either. Questioning, yes. Maybe a few inappropriately worded posts, yes. But animosity to the point that someone would be deliberately causing a rift between the two of them, I haven't seen that. And as far as someone over there being jealous of CF as a motive to cause NF's disappearance - I'm sorry, IMO, I think that is a very big stretch. In comparison to the majority of the sellers her business was just average - and not even close to what would be defined as a true *success* for that site. I'm not certain what you think a person would be jealous of to the point of being involved in this mystery we are now all trying to figure out. Both CF and NF, from what it appears, were very active in many, many internet communities and sites.....why would it be assumed, if somehow an internet connection were involved, that it is that biz site that is the root?

Not trying to be antagonistic, honestly I'm not, but I do not understand the reasoning behind this, and your previous post.


MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

In my opinion, it is quite obvious to me, as I read previous daily threads and this site is an opinion board.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by n/t



........... In my opinion, the toaster thing and cavities is all negative information about him. ........................ [/*]

I thought that was mentioned in case his body was found, to begin in the id process. i.e. if the body had no dental fillings.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Didn't Harlett mention her team being in Seattle this week-end or did I dream that? [/*]

No, we won't be out there.. but we are working on things to help Christine find Nicholas. One of them is trading work with a PI from the Seattle area.. if any of them have a case that needs worked on this side of the country, we will trade case work with them..

Someone asked earlier about the police scaling back... the 'scaling back' only means that some of the detectives are being assigned to other cases. They can only keep so many on one case for so long... it also means that instead of working the case 16hrs a day, they may only work it 8-12 hrs a day.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Do you think they were trying to find some humor by stating one of his flaws? I leave the cap off the toothpaste which drives hubby crazy but I doubt my family/friends would put that on a missing person flyer. [/*]

Hi Rainy!

I'm still here! Somewhat!

When a person has amnesia they may forget their lives but they may not stop old habits.

If a person assumes a new identity they may alter many things but it may be hard to alter ingrained habits.

It seems that putting that statement on the missing flyer/info may be something that others might be able to look for in a new person in their lives.

Just a thought!

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Well I can tell you this - if I had asked others to put my husband's picture on their blog and MySpace, I sure would put it on mine. If nothing more than out of respect for him. [/*]

Correct that is what "you" would do, but CF is not you.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm still here! Somewhat!

When a person has amnesia they may forget their lives but they may not stop old habits.

If a person assumes a new identity they may alter many things but it may be hard to alter ingrained habits.

It seems that putting that statement on the missing flyer/info may be something that others might be able to look for in a new person in their lives.

Just a thought! [/*]

.....only if they live with that toaster! LOL!

:seeya: Hi Musterion! So good to see you again. I've been missing ya! You always give us some balance and do it in a nice way :D

[Nellie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


I thought that was mentioned in case his body was found, to begin in the id process. i.e. if the body had no dental fillings. [/*]

Him and millions of others have cavities! I'm not sure I could see that helping with the identification. JMO though.

[Nellie]

Something I've been wondering about.
I've wondered if perhaps Christine quit a job to start up her business online. The reason I wonder this is because of this statement on her blog.

Whenever I start to get discouraged or wonder if i made a mistake i get a handful of orders

What would the mistake be? It could be said the "mistake" she would wonder about would be starting up the business in the first place and that may be it. But, I think it's more than that....like maybe quittin a lucrative job. And I'm certainly not saying that would be wrong to do. If you can stay at home with your children I'm all for it!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
I see that Christine has removed her daughter's photo from the family blog, as people here suggested that she do. Now the only photos left are the butterfly, and Christine with her curls. [/*]

Well it's about da** time!
My DD will be happy about that too.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie


Him and millions of others have cavities! I'm not sure I could see that helping with the identification. JMO though. [/*]

This is one of the main ways of identifying someone, especially when hands have been removed, or face is distorted or otherwise injured or missing. Say they found a man laying dead and decaying in the woods, or floating in a body of water and ID as to age, race, etc. could not be easily determined, but they noted he had a mouth full of fillings, or a partial plate, or bridge they could immediately rule out it being Nicholas.

I've followed cases where the teeth were the only way left to identify someone. I don't find putting this info on the missing poster to be unusual or in anyway suspicious.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Well I believe you all have been berating her for every thing that ...snip.......... Now you continue to berate her.........snip............[/*]

This is not the fanclub site of the wife and it's not the obligation of posters to provide support and love and admiration to her.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Nellie
Something I've been wondering about.
I've wondered if perhaps Christine quit a job to start up her business online. The reason I wonder this is because of this statement on her blog.



What would the mistake be? It could be said the "mistake" she would wonder about would be starting up the business in the first place and that may be it. But, I think it's more than that....like maybe quittin a lucrative job. And I'm certainly not saying that would be wrong to do. If you can stay at home with your children I'm all for it! [/*]

I always just took it as if sometimes she feels she was mistaken to think that she would be successful at it, jmo

[need2no]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


This is not the fanclub site of the wife and it's not the obligation of posters to provide support and love and admiration to her. [/*]

Of course everyone has a right to be here, but I don't understand why those who are so disturbed by some of our posts and that we are not singing Christine's praises or hanging on her every word even bother to come here to read.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


This is not the fanclub site of the wife and it's not the obligation of posters to provide support and love and admiration to her. [/*]

No sir, it is not but we all have a right to an opinion and I just stated mine. I do not retract that statement.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm still here! Somewhat!

When a person has amnesia they may forget their lives but they may not stop old habits.

If a person assumes a new identity they may alter many things but it may be hard to alter ingrained habits.

It seems that putting that statement on the missing flyer/info may be something that others might be able to look for in a new person in their lives.

Just a thought! [/*]

I thought that too. They used to add little things like that on that show years ago...sorry the name of it escapes me...with Efrem (sp?) Zimbalist.
They did the scenarios of people gone missing and other crimes. Dang, can't pull it up. Anyway, they would put these things in because people do tend to have habits and quirks that could identify them even if they've changed all else about themselves.
JMO

[Nellie]

Originally posted by need2no


This is one of the main ways of identifying someone, especially when hands have been removed, or face is distorted or otherwise injured or missing. Say they found a man laying dead and decaying in the woods, or floating in a body of water and ID as to age, race, etc. could not be easily determined, but they noted he had a mouth full of fillings, or a partial plate, or bridge they could immediately rule out it being Nicholas.

I've followed cases where the teeth were the only way left to identify someone. I don't find putting this info on the missing poster to be unusual or in anyway suspicious. [/*]

Oh. I DO understand that! I know that many times their dental records are referred to for identification. I was just thinking they were going to see two cavities and say..."that's my man Nicholas....I can tell cause he's got two cavities!". Now if we're looking at dental records, I totally understand!

So maybe I misunderstood the concept everyone was talking about!

I wonder if he had been to a dentist very recently for anyone to even KNOW he had two cavities!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Shimz


I always just took it as if sometimes she feels she was mistaken to think that she would be successful at it, jmo [/*]

And that very well may be what she means by it!
Or.....did she quit and job to start it and was second guessing that being a mistake?

Only she knows.....

Personally, I think she should re-open her sites if she loves doing it so much. It could help her mentally to keep busy with something she loves.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I thought that too. They used to add little things like that on that show years ago...sorry the name of it escapes me...with Efrem (sp?) Zimbalist.
They did the scenarios of people gone missing and other crimes. Dang, can't pull it up. Anyway, they would put these things in because people do tend to have habits and quirks that could identify them even if they've changed all else about themselves.
JMO [/*]

Well, he'd have to have a toaster to leave the toast in!

I would think a "habit" that might be seen by the general public migt be helpful! Not on behind closed doors. JMO though!

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by need2no


That's great, but I'm not sure why her pic still needs to be there. Not being caddy just don't see the point is all. [/*]

ITA! It tells us something about her.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz


I always just took it as if sometimes she feels she was mistaken to think that she would be successful at it, jmo [/*]


I have two questions about her business:

1) was she successful, actually making a decent PROFIT to make the time required for this business worthwhile at one time?...it seems I've read both from her "a great success, and just breaking even"

2) how can you be a SAHM with 2 small children and purchase supplies, make, pack, ship, advertise and handle all the internet part of the business, stay on blogs, post pics on web sites, take care of the house, pick up behind the children, grocery and other shopping, cook meals, spend quality time with the children and hubby, etc. And now with a third child on the way, and NF was remodeling a room in part to be used for CF's fabrics and supplies so it seems she planned to continue this business. Unless I was making a bundle of money to contribute to our family I wouldn't even try to do this.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Nellie


(snipped)

Personally, I think she should re-open her sites if she loves doing it so much. It could help her mentally to keep busy with something she loves. [/*]

ITA

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well, he'd have to have a toaster to leave the toast in!

I would think a "habit" that might be seen by the general public migt be helpful! Not on behind closed doors. JMO though! [/*]

ITA
A usual cigarette brand, a passion for horses, a limp, an accent, a love for fishing, an interest in golf, a favorite food, a preferred brand of beer, he once wore a thick mustache, or dyed his hair blonde...this kind of info I could understand being helpful information in a mp case. Leaving toast in toaster...hmmm

[Shimz]

Originally posted by need2no



I have two questions about her business:

1) was she successful, actually making a decent PROFIT to make the time required for this business worthwhile at one time?...it seems I've read both from her "a great success, and just breaking even"

2) how can you be a SAHM with 2 small children and purchase supplies, make, pack, ship, advertise and handle all the internet part of the business, stay on blogs, post pics on web sites, take care of the house, pick up behind the children, grocery and other shopping, cook meals, spend quality time with the children and hubby, etc. And now with a third child on the way, and NF was remodeling a room in part to be used for CF's fabrics and supplies so it seems she planned to continue this business. Unless I was making a bundle of money to contribute to our family I wouldn't even try to do this. [/*]

regarding #2... i just think it is something she loves to do... I also think it is important to have some kind of thing that is "just yours"..... and, this is JMO, but it seems that she wanted to be known for more than just a wife and sahm, in her blog she describes herself as a "business woman" since she opened the shop... so it is MY OPINION ONLY that having this business was really important to her and her identity and how she saw herself... Not so much about the money it produced.. IMO/JMO/MOO

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Diana :) I know on AOL you can but didn't know if that was possible.

Okay so Nicholas could not have seen what C was saying about him unless he was logged in also - wouldn't she have known he was logged in and watching?

My point is, is that no one could have copied a chat and sent to him, so he would be completely unaware of things being said about him (if they were). Right? Wrong? [/*]

I'm missing something here. Was she denigrating him in the chats? Has someone seen this and knows it?

[Shimz]

Oh... one more thing... i am young and still in college, but i work full time and live on my own and always have been very self sufficient...

I plan to be married next year and have children not too long after.. and my bf has a wonderful job and i will most likely not have to work...

I always thought i would want to stay home, but now i feel like, i went to school and worked my a** off for this degree, all the while moving up in the business world to the point where i am making a nice salary..

So to just give it all up, to be a sahm, it has to be hard... i know CF went to school, so IMO there may be some feeling of envy or.. i cant think of the word, but something like... maybe the E shop gave her the feeling that she is finally getting to use her skills, and she gets to show that NF is not the only talented one in the family.... thats also how i feel when she makes comments like how she is the photographer in the family... i feel like she wants to make sure it is known that she is talented and NF is not the only artistic one in the family...

JMO

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Beth


Apparently, there is a poster here who sat in on some of the chats CF was in. And yes, apparently things were said that were not shall we say, in a positive light.

We'll have to wait for that poster to come on and elaborate. [/*]

Thank you! I try to read every post, but sure to miss some, with the volume.....

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well, he'd have to have a toaster to leave the toast in!

I would think a "habit" that might be seen by the general public migt be helpful! Not on behind closed doors. JMO though! [/*]

That would be a helpful suggestion, Nellie!

Maybe emailing the webmaster and suggesting to put some of those more 'visible to the public habits' on the site.

From the looks of the 'list' on findnicholasfrancisco it may have come directly from the police report. At the time of the police report being given it may have been a highly emotional and stressful time. Could have been just the first thing that was thought of and then moved on quickly to the next question. JMO.

But, now, with some good suggestions maybe it can be updated.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Shimz


regarding #2... i just think it is something she loves to do... I also think it is important to have some kind of thing that is "just yours"..... and, this is JMO, but it seems that she wanted to be known for more than just a wife and sahm, in her blog she describes herself as a "business woman" since she opened the shop... so it is MY OPINION ONLY that having this business was really important to her and her identity and how she saw herself... Not so much about the money it produced.. IMO/JMO/MOO [/*]

ITA! And I can understand her wanting an identity besides husband/wife. In our society, staying home with the children isn't valued like it was in the "olden days".

I will also say this. I have seen WAHM brag about being better parents because they're able to stay home with their children....but I've also seen the non-attention they give their children. Not saying all of them are like that, but I've seen it.
IMO, it would be very hard to run a business at home while watching 2-3 children that young. That age needs constant attention and it would be easy to brush them off easily while you're working on a "product" or put them in front of the tv.
Don't jump on me because I'm NOT saying that's what C did. I'm just saying....I've seen it. It's just not easy to do both.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


That would be a helpful suggestion, Nellie!

Maybe emailing the webmaster and suggesting to put some of those more 'visible to the public habits' on the site.

From the looks of the 'list' on findnicholasfrancisco it may have come directly from the police report. At the time of the police report being given it may have been a highly emotional and stressful time. Could have been just the first thing that was thought of and then moved on quickly to the next question. JMO.

But, now, with some good suggestions maybe it can be updated. [/*]

I might just do that Musterion! After my grocery shopping...LOL!
Life is getting in the way of my board time!

You think that's a police report list? I never thought of that.
I'll have to look at it again from that angle.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Nellie


ITA! And I can understand her wanting an identity besides husband/wife. In our society, staying home with the children isn't valued like it was in the "olden days".

I will also say this. I have seen WAHM brag about being better parents because they're able to stay home with their children....but I've also seen the non-attention they give their children. Not saying all of them are like that, but I've seen it.
IMO, it would be very hard to run a business at home while watching 2-3 children that young. That age needs constant attention and it would be easy to brush them off easily while you're working on a "product" or put them in front of the tv.
Don't jump on me because I'm NOT saying that's what C did. I'm just saying....I've seen it. It's just not easy to do both. [/*]

I agree I can't imagine how she would be able to work on it during the day while looking after the children.. Maybe at night after they were in bed... but also they were at the age where it might have been fun to help mommy

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


No sir, it is not but we all have a right to an opinion and I just stated mine. I do not retract that statement. [/*]

You criticized the board earlier because it is all opinion. Posters who feel it is their main job to defend and protect the wife are not helping to find the missing person.

What's most interesting to me is why anyone would come to a crime board with the sole purpose of defending the wife. Doesn't that seem a bit odd ? What is the purpose of attempting to stifle conversation? WHY is it important to censor the speculation?

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


You criticized the board earlier because it is all opinion. Posters who feel it is their main job to defend and protect the wife are not helping to find the missing person.

What's most interesting to me is why anyone would come to a crime board with the sole purpose of defending the wife. Doesn't that seem a bit odd ? What is the purpose of attempting to stifle conversation? WHY is it important to censor the speculation? [/*]

Why are you upset by my opinion?
After thousands of posts berating and calling the "wife" a liar among other things have you solved the case?

Why are you trying to stifle my opinion ?
I have not tried to censor anything ONLY state my opinion.
You are the one trying to stifle .

Since you are so well informed and your opinion is so much more accurate than mine Where is Nicholas? What happened to him ?
You should have solved the case by now if you have been going in the correct direction. All in my opinion of course.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz
Oh... one more thing... i am young and still in college, but i work full time and live on my own and always have been very self sufficient...

I plan to be married next year and have children not too long after.. and my bf has a wonderful job and i will most likely not have to work...

I always thought i would want to stay home, but now i feel like, i went to school and worked my a** off for this degree, all the while moving up in the business world to the point where i am making a nice salary..

So to just give it all up, to be a sahm, it has to be hard... i know CF went to school, so IMO there may be some feeling of envy or.. i cant think of the word, but something like... maybe the E shop gave her the feeling that she is finally getting to use her skills, and she gets to show that NF is not the only talented one in the family.... thats also how i feel when she makes comments like how she is the photographer in the family... i feel like she wants to make sure it is known that she is talented and NF is not the only artistic one in the family...

JMO [/*]


Reasonable points but maybe done at the expense of the family.

Did CF do most of her work at night when NF arrived home and took over care of their children.Was NF the primary one cooking meals for the family. Seems it would be difficult to care for 2 little and work diligently on the business.

Did her supplies for the business at times put a burden on their finances?

Did CF convince NF this could be profitable in time and to let her prove it?

Was NF sick of all the fabric and stuff laying around the house, and or coming home to a messy house and children who needed attention?

I will say with the cost of daycare she would need a good paying outside job to make going to work worth leaving the children. I can also understand the need to feel like you are contributing more than being a SAHM. Could be her lack of being with others in a workplace setting was why she spent so much time on the internet. It's also easy to have a fairy tale life anonymously.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm still here! Somewhat!

When a person has amnesia they may forget their lives but they may not stop old habits.

If a person assumes a new identity they may alter many things but it may be hard to alter ingrained habits.

It seems that putting that statement on the missing flyer/info may be something that others might be able to look for in a new person in their lives.

Just a thought! [/*]

I'm getting caught up. We are having major tornadoes and storms here.

I had to say WOOHOO! Glad to see you Musterion!:seeya:

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


No, we won't be out there.. but we are working on things to help Christine find Nicholas. One of them is trading work with a PI from the Seattle area.. if any of them have a case that needs worked on this side of the country, we will trade case work with them..

Someone asked earlier about the police scaling back... the 'scaling back' only means that some of the detectives are being assigned to other cases. They can only keep so many on one case for so long... it also means that instead of working the case 16hrs a day, they may only work it 8-12 hrs a day. [/*]

That's good to hear that you're helping. Thanks.

[SeattleEddie]

Having said that, I was thinking yesterday that it must be very disconcerting to have one's spouse go missing, and to then find one's finances, relatives, past actions and conversations revealed all over the internet. I think I would feel uh..........violated.

BUT...BUT.... A lot of this research got underway because of the many inconsistencies, and because of the wife's behaviour in the first place.

Me, I wouldn't be scanning the internet for every little mention of me to respond, either cryptically or directly. I would have my family and my spouse's family standing right beside me every time I appeared before the press. (they would insist anyway, even if I didn't want them there!)(but I wouldwant them there!)

In many other cases, the family designates someone to be the spokesperson for the family, sparing everyone else from the nitpicking scrutiny. That wasn't done. In fact, the wife sought out attention and financial assistance. (again, either cryptically or directly)

Questions from the public stem from her own behaviour. She put herself in the spotlight. Unfortunately for her, she is too young and inexperienced to understand the ramifications that follow.

It's unfortunate that she apparently doesn't have family support to guide her. She appears to be someone who wouldn't take it anyway.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


No, we won't be out there.. but we are working on things to help Christine find Nicholas. One of them is trading work with a PI from the Seattle area.. if any of them have a case that needs worked on this side of the country, we will trade case work with them..

Someone asked earlier about the police scaling back... the 'scaling back' only means that some of the detectives are being assigned to other cases. They can only keep so many on one case for so long... it also means that instead of working the case 16hrs a day, they may only work it 8-12 hrs a day. [/*]

Oh okay Harlett I'm sorry I misunderstood. I'm thankful for whatever you guys are able to do.

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Just wondering.....how many people walk away from their current life after meeting someone on-line. If that person is someone who insists on a fresh start and with no baggage. How many people follow through on it. Anyone care to guess?

Also does anyone know if there is a motel/hotel within walking distance of where the car was found? Could someone have left the car at the Condo parking lot so that it wouldn't be seen parked at a motel/hotel? [/*]

Good thinking. I found 4 hotels within 1.5 and 1.8 miles from the condos.

Heritage Condos, Federal Way
123 S. 340th Street
=====================

Days Inn Federal Way
Address: 34827 Pacific Highway South
1.5 miles to Heritage Condos (southeast of condos)
Near I-5 exit and Shell station too

Quality Inn And Suites
Address: 1400 S. 348Th St.
1.6 miles to Heritage Condos (southeast of condos)
Near I-5 exit and Shell station too

Super 8 Motel - Federal Way
Address: 1688 So. 348Th Street
1.8 miles to Heritage Condos (southeast of condos)
Near I-5 exit and Shell station too

Econo Lodge Federal Way
Address: 1505 South 328Th Street
1.7 miles to Heritage Condos (northeast of condos)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Hi Rainy!

I'm still here! Somewhat!

When a person has amnesia they may forget their lives but they may not stop old habits.

If a person assumes a new identity they may alter many things but it may be hard to alter ingrained habits.

It seems that putting that statement on the missing flyer/info may be something that others might be able to look for in a new person in their lives.

Just a thought! [/*]

Excellent Point!! We have missed you.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Having said that, I was thinking yesterday that it must be very disconcerting to have one's spouse go missing, and to then find one's finances, relatives, past actions and conversations revealed all over the internet. I think I would feel uh..........violated.

BUT...BUT.... A lot of this research got underway because of the many inconsistencies, and because of the wife's behaviour in the first place.

Me, I wouldn't be scanning the internet for every little mention of me to respond, either cryptically or directly. I would have my family and my spouse's family standing right beside me every time I appeared before the press. (they would insist anyway, even if I didn't want them there!)(but I wouldwant them there!)

In many other cases, the family designates someone to be the spokesperson for the family, sparing everyone else from the nitpicking scrutiny. That wasn't done. In fact, the wife sought out attention and financial assistance. (again, either cryptically or directly)

Questions from the public stem from her own behaviour. She put herself in the spotlight. Unfortunately for her, she is too young and inexperienced to understand the ramifications that follow.

It's unfortunate that she apparently doesn't have family support to guide her. She appears to be someone who wouldn't take it anyway. [/*]

Okay, how does this comment help to find Nicholas?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by desmom


Thank Goodness! It drives me nuts when I see people post pics of children on public boards.

jmo [/*]

OK, I really want to know this, not being a brat. :tongue:

How does it hurt to have a picture of my niece's daughter online? What if it's only a head shot? What can a pedophile do with just a picture? I mean, what if he prints it out, and puts it on his wall ... how can that harm her?

I know this question may sound crazy to you guys, but truly ... I DO want to know what everybody is so paranoid about it for. Explain?

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


You criticized the board earlier because it is all opinion. Posters who feel it is their main job to defend and protect the wife are not helping to find the missing person.

What's most interesting to me is why anyone would come to a crime board with the sole purpose of defending the wife. Doesn't that seem a bit odd ? What is the purpose of attempting to stifle conversation? WHY is it important to censor the speculation? [/*]


I have a question, since you live in Seattle could you download Nicholas' missing flyer, get some copied and hang them around the area.. Especially in stores that may have a bulletin board .. post office.. anywhere that may let you put one up.

[mc528]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Why are you upset by my opinion?
After thousands of posts berating and calling the "wife" a liar among other things have you solved the case?

Why are you trying to stifle my opinion ?
I have not tried to censor anything ONLY state my opinion.
You are the one trying to stifle .

Since you are so well informed and your opinion is so much more accurate than mine Where is Nicholas? What happened to him ?
You should have solved the case by now if you have been going in the correct direction. All in my opinion of course. [/*]


Do you have any thoughts as to what might have occured that led to Nicholas's disappearance on 2/13? Is it your opinion that someone from the biz site that knew CF and/or NF was involved, someone that also came here and WS - based on what you had said in an earlier post. Maybe you can help us to expand on that idea by giving more insight as to what it is based on.

I think there have been many opinions, going in many different directions in the many threads here. And yes, since there are very few real facts that any of us know, opinions are what are usually stated. None of know what happened, otherwise the case would have been solved many weeks ago, that's why ideas are being bounced around here. IMO/MOO

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by need2no


That's great, but I'm not sure why her pic still needs to be there. Not being caddy just don't see the point is all. [/*]

For me: my HUSBAND'S picture would be the ONLY picture there! And it would be a HUGE one too .. with lots of stuff about him.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well, he'd have to have a toaster to leave the toast in!

I would think a "habit" that might be seen by the general public migt be helpful! Not on behind closed doors. JMO though! [/*]

No, but say he is at a homeless shelter or something like that.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh okay Harlett I'm sorry I misunderstood. I'm thankful for whatever you guys are able to do. [/*]

We are working on getting billboards, park/bus benches.. PSA's etc... but that takes time to get it all coordinated.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


OK, I really want to know this, not being a brat. :tongue:

How does it hurt to have a picture of my niece's daughter online? What if it's only a head shot? What can a pedophile do with just a picture? I mean, what if he prints it out, and puts it on his wall ... how can that harm her?

I know this question may sound crazy to you guys, but truly ... I DO want to know what everybody is so paranoid about it for. Explain?

here is a guy who gets his jollies from going to playgrounds and watching little girls. Probably also likes to look at photos of little girls on the web:

[/*]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262700,00.html

[SeattleEddie]

Sorry, I formatted wrong above. Here is a story about a guy who gets his jollies from going to playgrounds and looking at little girls. He probably likes to look at photos of little girls on the web too, and promote them to his fellow pedophiles:
http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262700,00.html

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


We are working on getting billboards, park/bus benches.. PSA's etc... but that takes time to get it all coordinated. [/*]

Harlett. I just wanted to thank you and everyone in your org for helping missing people. For getting out and doing something to help find them, or even help their families cope in what must be the worst of times.

We need more people like you. I live in GA but if there is anything I can do with any of the cases you work on, please let me know.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


We are working on getting billboards, park/bus benches.. PSA's etc... but that takes time to get it all coordinated. [/*]

I wish you and your team the best of luck.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Having said that, I was thinking yesterday that it must be very disconcerting to have one's spouse go missing, and to then find one's finances, relatives, past actions and conversations revealed all over the internet. I think I would feel uh..........violated.

BUT...BUT.... A lot of this research got underway because of the many inconsistencies, and because of the wife's behaviour in the first place.

Me, I wouldn't be scanning the internet for every little mention of me to respond, either cryptically or directly. I would have my family and my spouse's family standing right beside me every time I appeared before the press. (they would insist anyway, even if I didn't want them there!)(but I wouldwant them there!)

In many other cases, the family designates someone to be the spokesperson for the family, sparing everyone else from the nitpicking scrutiny. That wasn't done. In fact, the wife sought out attention and financial assistance. (again, either cryptically or directly)

Questions from the public stem from her own behaviour. She put herself in the spotlight. Unfortunately for her, she is too young and inexperienced to understand the ramifications that follow.

It's unfortunate that she apparently doesn't have family support to guide her. She appears to be someone who wouldn't take it anyway. [/*]

I just don't understand how she can sit and talk to Greta's producer and look him in the eye and say.....what she did.....she has had alot of support, she isn't alone, and people are searching for Nicholas. She needs to practice what she preaches....jmoo

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


We are working on getting billboards, park/bus benches.. PSA's etc... but that takes time to get it all coordinated. [/*]

Thank you Harlett, for offering your experience to coordinate and implement new ideas in the search for Nicholas.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


I might just do that Musterion! After my grocery shopping...LOL!
Life is getting in the way of my board time!

You think that's a police report list? I never thought of that.
I'll have to look at it again from that angle. [/*]

Nellie let me know if you don't have time - I'll be glad to do it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Harlett. I just wanted to thank you and everyone in your org for helping missing people. For getting out and doing something to help find them, or even help their families cope in what must be the worst of times.

We need more people like you. I live in GA but if there is anything I can do with any of the cases you work on, please let me know. [/*]

:beer: (diet coke)

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Sorry, I formatted wrong above. Here is a story about a guy who gets his jollies from going to playgrounds and looking at little girls. He probably likes to look at photos of little girls on the web too, and promote them to his fellow pedophiles:
http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262700,00.html [/*]

I posted that to explain why it's NOT A GOOD IDEA to have photos of cute children online, unless it's private.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


:beer: (diet coke) [/*]

Awe thanks Rainy. I hate Diet Coke though. lol

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Awe thanks Rainy. I hate Diet Coke though. lol [/*]

LOL of course you do - nothing I do is right (just kidding) :D

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Harlett. I just wanted to thank you and everyone in your org for helping missing people. For getting out and doing something to help find them, or even help their families cope in what must be the worst of times.

We need more people like you. I live in GA but if there is anything I can do with any of the cases you work on, please let me know. [/*]

Thank you Kindra, and everyone else.

I live just above you in TN.. Grande, my partner, is in IL.. We have volunteers from a lot of different places, so we are spread out everywhere. And can always use more help :D

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


LOL of course you do - nothing I do is right (just kidding) :D [/*]

LMAO! Stop pickin on me darn it! :P

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


You criticized the board earlier because it is all opinion. Posters who feel it is their main job to defend and protect the wife are not helping to find the missing person.

What's most interesting to me is why anyone would come to a crime board with the sole purpose of defending the wife. Doesn't that seem a bit odd ? What is the purpose of attempting to stifle conversation? WHY is it important to censor the speculation? [/*]

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Eddie, check your pm's.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Envision


If every lead they have has led nowhere and they have no additional leads. Scaling back would mean they've searched where they've believed he could go and are now waiting for new possible leads to follow. [/*]

Are you talking about leads falling in their lap as in the case of Elizabeth Smart? That was a miracle. I mean is the folder on the bottom of their stack or what? I know you don't know - just picking some brains.