Discussion - March 15th.

[isitme]

Originally posted by decor


I can do that too, he was also a compulsive lier.. [/*]

I"m not sure I understand your response. Who is the "he" you are refering to?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


They didn't say why.. It may depend on the areas and the amount of space they have available.

We are waiting to hear back from several places that do advertising on mass transit and benches... [/*]

I live in Florida don't know if he would be traveling thru here - but I have 10 acres and would be more than willing to hang a billboard up n/c get alot of traffic here from all over......busy hwy...

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by decor


Today, with what little we know I think Nick just took off because everything is just too neat.
Snip

If you were planning a complete change of your life would you be able to function normally at work? I would think a person would be filled with anxiety waiting until it was time to leave work and leave for good.
[/*]

I snipped your quote because I wanted to address this point of yours....
My ex had a plan to change his life and everything he did in the days leading up to it showed no change in his attitude and he was quite able to function normally. Nothing was obvious to anyone, including me. Not at work and certainly not at home. He even took me out to dinner, acting normally and even went the extra mile. Let me tell you...we ordered desert to go...when we got home mine was not what I had ordered. He went back the next day to the resturant and got the desert I had ordered. We made love, he went to work and then the next day he announced to me he was leaving.
I share this because it is possible for some to behave, go thru normal actions at home and at work and no one knows. I don't know if that's how NF is, but I can tell you that everyone who knew my ex and our life and marriage were totally blown away by his actions.
MOO

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie


Uh Oh...I might have caused some confusion.

I made up the quote to add to someone else's quotes of what she DIDN'T SAY! So so sorry for the confusion! [/*]


:punch:


J/K, and thanks for clearing that up. Now watch how someone quotes your post as fact 2 or 3 hours from now. :biggrin:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Whoa... I don't believe this is an actual quote from Christine.... I think it's a what iffer.... This is how rumors start and an opinion becomes fact.

Yes, I have been around long enough to know if 3 people post it it becomes fact :D

j/k here... [/*]

Definately a "what iffer"!

Sorry for the confusion guys!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by need2no



:punch:


J/K, and thanks for clearing that up. Now watch how someone quotes your post as fact 2 or 3 hours from now. :biggrin: [/*]

Or for days...ugh!

Maybe it's not too late to delete it!

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie


Or for days...ugh!

Maybe it's not too late to delete it! [/*]

Wouldn't hurt to try.

[isitme]

Originally posted by decor


I can do that too, he was also a compulsive lier.. [/*]


Perhaps you were referring to your ex.

In any case, that response does not address what I was stating and how it relates to you making character assessments based on experience and gut and not allowing that others are capable of doing the same thing.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by cteall


OMG Nellie, did she say THAT? To me that says it all and possibly that is why LE and his family are being so "quiet" now. I can't believe I missed that one. Isn't that a confession that she knows he is not murdered? You see, if you give it long enough the truth will always come out, the person will trip up somewhere. IMO this is why so many of us have questioned several things, it just seems that she contradicts herself often. JMO [/*]

NOOOOOO...she did NOT say that!!!!! I did!

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme


I"m not sure I understand your response. Who is the "he" you are refering to? [/*]

my ex, the cheater :)

[Old Timer]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


According to an email from Elaine @ ClearChannel. "Unfortunately it will be standard pricing". [/*]

Could Publicis possibly help with connections?

[decor]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I snipped your quote because I wanted to address this point of yours....
My ex had a plan to change his life and everything he did in the days leading up to it showed no change in his attitude and he was quite able to function normally. Nothing was obvious to anyone, including me. Not at work and certainly not at home. He even took me out to dinner, acting normally and even went the extra mile. Let me tell you...we ordered desert to go...when we got home mine was not what I had ordered. He went back the next day to the resturant and got the desert I had ordered. We made love, he went to work and then the next day he announced to me he was leaving.
I share this because it is possible for some to behave, go thru normal actions at home and at work and no one knows. I don't know if that's how NF is, but I can tell you that everyone who knew my ex and our life and marriage were totally blown away by his actions.
MOO [/*]

if he left the next day I would think it was because he still hadn't decided 100% unless he told you that he had been planning on leaving that day in particular for days. this is the same thing that I said about Nick. that he planned on leaving just not that day until the last minute.

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme



Perhaps you were referring to your ex.

In any case, that response does not address what I was stating and how it relates to you making character assessments based on experience and gut and not allowing that others are capable of doing the same thing. [/*]

please show me where I said others are not allowed to make these assessments. I said only that I could, I never said a single word about anyone else. Not whether they could or couldn't or whether I was or was not allowing them to.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Beth


I know exactly what you're trying to say and I am in total agreement. Many of us are capable of making character assessments. [/*]

Then perhaps you can understand why some of us have a different of things.

Our views may or may not be 100% accurate but they are our opinions. Just as your opinions are of the men that you believe are cheaters. I wonder what percentage of the time you are correct in that assessment.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by need2no


You are right about that...I've seen it happen many times on the boards and sometimes it only takes one saying it for something to become a die hard fact. Then pages or days later posters start arguing over whether it was fact or not.

Sorry to read you have received nasty e-mails. I can't imagine why this would happen to you. :( [/*]

LOL... I think all new posters should get their initiation on an Anna Forum :D

Again, J/K a trip to AnnaLand would give some nightmares.. What am I saying.. it gave me nightmares for a while and I have been here 7 years :mad:

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme


Then perhaps you can understand why some of us have a different of things.

Our views may or may not be 100% accurate but they are our opinions. Just as your opinions are of the men that you believe are cheaters. I wonder what percentage of the time you are correct in that assessment. [/*]

to tell you the truth I can't remember ever saying someone was cheating and I was wrong. Made a lot of people mad when I said it because they didn't believe me until they found out, but I always knew.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Old Timer


Could Publicis possibly help with connections? [/*]

I am hoping so.. I have sent them an email and will also try calling them on Monday.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by need2no


Wouldn't hurt to try. [/*]

...too late! :(

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor


if he left the next day I would think it was because he still hadn't decided 100% unless he told you that he had been planning on leaving that day in particular for days. this is the same thing that I said about Nick. that he planned on leaving just not that day until the last minute. [/*]

Maybe the stop by Costco and get some sugar so you can bake cookies with the children for VALENTINE'S day was what pushed up his date of departure if this did happen. Maybe shifting the date up caused him to need the car for a few days to make some final arrangements, perhaps even purchase a few things, and wait on his ride out of town.

The cell phone being dead that day is what sticks out for me. Of course he could have cut if off or removed the battery right after Christine called about baking cookies and joggled his memory about Valentine's day...and he then made a point of mentioning his cell battery was dead to co-workers since he realized he needed to leave that day.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Not being snippy, but I don't need to look at the interview again to discuss the case. I have been in Christine's shoes.. I know what it's like. To even go a bit further, a couple of years after I lost my daughter my house burned. The Insurance Investigator wanted to charge me with arson because he didn't think I got upset enough.

It's not about whether you are wrong, or I am right... it's about a missing young man.. and some tend to lose sight of that when everything is directed at Christine and what she did wrong, or what she didn't do, or what she said... [/*]

OMG Harlett!!! I am sooo sorry for your loss and what has happened to you. There are no words, but my heart skipped when I read your post. I can see where you are coming from in helping victims and I applaud you for using your pain to help others.
Yes, this is about a missing young man, I have not lost sight of that at all, Nicholas is in my prayers every day. I
I feel that if it seems things....good or bad...are directed at Christine is because she is his wife. Period. She is the most connected to him, she has been the one to speak out, she has been the one who has opened herself up to whoever is out there. Be it here on this crime board, with their former church, the online biz thing, national news etc.
As LE practices the 'look at the spouse first'...most of us do that also. On this board, many of us are looking at her as most of LE does. There are so few things being released by LE and that leaves alot of us with some blanks to fill in. But, I feel that on the whole, so many of us are only interested in finding Nicholas and any answers there may be to why he is gone.
Unfortunently, that means looking at her. The closest one to him.
For the weeks I've been here, I have seen more 'find Nicholas' posts with real heart behind them. The negative and argumentive posts are just a natural occurance on a public like this.
Again, my heart goes out to you and kudos for using your pain to help others in pain!!!!
:rose:

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


LOL... I think all new posters should get their initiation on an Anna Forum :D

Again, J/K a trip to AnnaLand would give some nightmares.. What am I saying.. it gave me nightmares for a while and I have been here 7 years :mad: [/*]

Good one Harlett, never thought of the initiation idea using the Anna board but you are so right, what a good way to break in new posters...and even new MODS-lol.

Just wait till Monday and hopefully the wrap up of the inquest..oh my they will be coming out of the woodwork next week, and I'll be right there with them digging in. :biggrin:

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
There is something really ironic/strange about that cell phone being dead on that particular day. [/*]


Just a bit too coincidental for me. As I said about the finances, Nicholas is too intelligent to leave a bread crumb trail. Seems he had this well planned.

Dead or turned off cell phone
Tells co-workers phone is dead
No financial trail, or anything unusual in his accts. (that we've heard)
Nothing to indicate he went to Safeway or Costco
Car clean and left in plain site

I'm still sticking to my theory of what happened, or something very close to what I've stated.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth


I think your theory and my theory are eerily similar. :) [/*]


Yep, GMTA!

[figritout]

Have read all the posts..
Another day and no NF..

[figritout]

Hey Cat Toy.. Whatcha doing? Just reading through this like me and thinking, HUH? Wish we would hear someithng about NF.. I keep watching the news..

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Beth


I know exactly what you're trying to say and I am in total agreement. Many of us are capable of making character assessments. [/*]

Very well said. There is a big difference between making assessments and having "feelings" about someone.

The conversation always seems to get derailed whenever it turns to "feelings" about the wife. It seems some people, for whatever reason that's lost to me, have strong feelings about her. Maybe it's the principle, or they feel ethically compelled to defend and protect her.

Myself, I don't have "feelings" about her. I "feel" the same about her as I "feel" about the anchor of the 6 o'clock news, for example. I don't have a relationship with her! How could I have feelings about her? As a human being, I am sorry she has to undergo so many challenges in her life at this time. But love her? or hate her? Not possible.

I don't understand why some people have so closely aligned themselves with her, or seem to identify with her, and take it personally whenever anyone makes an assessment about her behavior.

As I've said before, I think it's futile and impossible to seek admiration, love and care from strangers on the internet. Maybe some of you know her, are her friends. I could understand it in that case.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth
I just found this on one of the other threads. I think I can post it since it's on this forum.

Member

Registered: Mar 2008
Location: snowy NE
Posts: 1
Nicholas Francisco
I'm fashiongreentbags.

I just have a few things to say. I've personally been convicted of an administrative accusation for which I am totally innocent. There has been speculation, gossip, further "drama" all from people who were not there and don't know about what they speak.

I have also be exonerated of that same conviction.

For that reason, I'm also sensitive to speculation concerning Nicholas' or Christine's motives when none of us knows her or him. Even if we did, we don't live in their house.

People loved my ex-husband and were totally baffled when I left him. They didn't know that our counselors thought he was going to try to kill me or the kids when I left him. They just gossiped about my being nuts for leaving. I let them. they didn't know.

WE don't know. I've had many conversations with family members and friends. Right now, I believe Christine. I would do some things differently than she but that doesn't mean she is wrong.

I DO know about the initial financial aid requests:

I had never met Christine and I'm newish to Etsy. I'd never heard of her stores or her before she posted that her husband was missing.

Based upon some personal experience, I assumed that there would be some need for monetary donations.

I CALLED THE FAMILY AND POINTEDLY ASKED if there was a need.
I spoke to Christine's sister who told me there was.

I posted the request and, to my knowledge, Christine knew nothing at that time. She wasn't home when I called.

I was not referring to any person in particular in my blog.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I personally don't understand voicing hurtful accusations and opinions when, in reality, we are all totally ignorant of the total situation having been privy to only minute pieces of information.

If it turns out that this is a ruse, I will be gravely disappointed but not discouraged. I continue to believe in good in people and I hope I always will.

I will not regret the money I donated or the time I spent (and still do) trying to help. I did everything fully understanding that I really don't know for absolute certainty what is happening.

I would do the same thing again given the same information and I would do the same for others .

It is my personal belief (that no one else has to hold) that it is my duty as a human being to always do what I can for as many as I can. I'm an avid volunteer and take care of people in my community who have no one else. I'm not a saint or better than anyone else. I just try to live what I believe.

If anyone has questions of my motives or actions, please convo me at etsy. I'm very open to discussion.

Right now, I'm hoping that Nicholas is alive and I'd prefer to think he walked over thinking that he's dead. The latter is totally irreversible. [/*]


Beth, thank you for posting this here. I'm sure a lot of people would have missed this on the other thread.

And imasorta....if you're reading this - It was a very caring thing that you did, your heart was in the right place.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Nellie


Uh Oh...I might have caused some confusion.

I made up the quote to add to someone else's quotes of what she DIDN'T SAY! So so sorry for the confusion! [/*]

No problem with me Nellie, but as need2no says, this will be taken and run with in a wron way. Hold your head up high...there are those of us who understand. Thru this whole thing, I've read things that I cannot remember where they came from or if they are true. Sometimes we (I) post at the immediate and come to find out someone has posted later and discounted or disproved what we said. I understand and will not be one those who choose to bash.
:hat:

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth
Exactly how I feel seattleEddie. And based on her behavior and her personality (yes, I said it), there are things about her character that I feel are "off". Be it the inconsistent things that she says one day and changes the next or the things that she does (or doesn't do). As far as I'm concerned, and this is my opinion, it DOES have something to do with NF's disappearance. Especially if you're inclined to believe he walked away willingly.

Those/these are the things I am basing my opinion on. [/*]

ITA!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Oregongal


No problem with me Nellie, but as need2no says, this will be taken and run with in a wron way. Hold your head up high...there are those of us who understand. Thru this whole thing, I've read things that I cannot remember where they came from or if they are true. Sometimes we (I) post at the immediate and come to find out someone has posted later and discounted or disproved what we said. I understand and will not be one those who choose to bash.
:hat: [/*]

Quoting myself here...PS- So many times I am just far enough behind in catching up that I may post before reading the following posts and find myself embarrassed and confused. And then feel bad that I've quoted or misquoted.
Again, no prob with me Nellie

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Beth
Poor Nellie! I won't quote it ever.. promise.

OregonGal, that is awful and I am so sorry. [/*]

Thanks Beth, but it's over and I only brought it up to say this type of thing happens and the normal behaviour of someone doesn't necessarily mean that something else isn't behind the person behaving normally.
:)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Old Timer
Sorry, O/T somewhat. About 19 year old Nick Garza who went missing in early Feb. I just saw his mother on Fox News. She said they hired a PI and TES is going there this week.

I snipped a few sections out of this article. The investigation is starting to expand now after slowing down. Two retired state troopers, the FBI, two national missing-person orgs and a PI plan to collaborate with police. Also joining are TES, a search and recovery org, and the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, which is preparing a profile.

================
MIDDLEBURY -- No later than 6:42 a.m. Feb. 6 -- a month ago today -- Nick Garza's cell phone stopped working. No incoming calls. No outgoing calls. Undeliverable voice mails and text messages.

Garza's loved ones hope the increased effort can begin to fill the information vacuum. "Something has happened to my son, and somebody knows," said the student's mother, Natalie Garza, 40, of Albuquerque. What could have happened? She's unsure. So are police. "They have no leads, and I still have a lot of questions."

A list of those questions is taped to the fireplace mantel in Hadley House, a Middlebury College guest residence where the Garza family is staying. They have transformed the front sitting room into a makeshift command center. Taped beside the questions are other handwritten papers: names of people the family has contacted, and those they wish to reach; a timeline of Nick Garza's last known whereabouts; even a register of psychics who've called.

Natalie Garza doesn't hesitate when asked how long she plans to stay in Vermont: "Until I find my son." Still, life has become a series of challenges and doubts.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS01/803060309/1009 [/*]

And this is how it would be for me. My focus would be only on my loved one. I'll pray for the Garzas.
I would not focus on money or myself or anything else, just finding my loved one, no matter if it were my sons, daughter, husband, grandchildren. The rest would fall by the wayside because all that other stuff becomes inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. That stuff works it way out eventually. But, the main focus should be and would be with me...finding my loved one.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by decor


my ex, the cheater :) [/*]

Sorry about your ex, I can totally identify. And your post goes to show how many of us have our own emotional issues that may color our interpretations of this case. Which, I feel is ok.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no


Good one Harlett, never thought of the initiation idea using the Anna board but you are so right, what a good way to break in new posters...and even new MODS-lol.

Just wait till Monday and hopefully the wrap up of the inquest..oh my they will be coming out of the woodwork next week, and I'll be right there with them digging in. :biggrin: [/*]

Anna Forum???
Don't have a clue what this is.
:confused:

[Old Timer]

So if N's batter was dead or it is turned off, there is no ability to ping, correct?

Saved by a Ping:
A cell phone proved a useful tool in finding a missing Maple Valley woman who spent more than seven days pinned inside her crushed SUV at the bottom of a ravine.

Police "pinged" Tanya Rider's cell phone, allowing them to locate the cell tower closest to the woman's phone and then initiate a ground search.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/consumersmarts/archives/122707.asp

However, there is no way to "ping" a laptop, correct? So, theoretically, if N is ok and has his laptop, he could connect to the internet (say for instance, from a motel with internet access or anywhere), read emails on his account and see everything written about him on the internet? And nobody would ever know?

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Old Timer
So if N's batter was dead or it is turned off, there is no ability to ping, correct?

Saved by a Ping:
A cell phone proved a useful tool in finding a missing Maple Valley woman who spent more than seven days pinned inside her crushed SUV at the bottom of a ravine.

Police "pinged" Tanya Rider's cell phone, allowing them to locate the cell tower closest to the woman's phone and then initiate a ground search.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/consumersmarts/archives/122707.asp

However, there is no way to "ping" a laptop, correct? So, theoretically, if N is ok and has his laptop, he could connect to the internet (say for instance, from a motel with internet access or anywhere), read emails on his account and see everything written about him on the internet? And nobody would ever know? [/*]

If the phone is off or has no battery left then you can't ping it.

You can't ping a computer unless you know it's internet address and there is no way to know the address without knowing where he is connecting from. Just the computer info won't help.

Yes he could connect from thousands of places. I have 2 within 2 miles of where I live that I know for sure and at least a dozen within easy range. My daughters home network it set up for anyone to use in her neighborhood without a password. None of this would trace to his computer so yes he could be reading this forum at this very moment and no one would know.

[Oregongal]

Whew!!! Finally caught up on all the pages.
But, LOL when it seems I've caught up, everyone seems to disappear. :shrug:
I'll go check my email, am watching 48 hrs mystery...but will have this window open and check in often.
:)

[Shimz]

Originally posted by Old Timer
So if N's batter was dead or it is turned off, there is no ability to ping, correct?

Saved by a Ping:
A cell phone proved a useful tool in finding a missing Maple Valley woman who spent more than seven days pinned inside her crushed SUV at the bottom of a ravine.

Police "pinged" Tanya Rider's cell phone, allowing them to locate the cell tower closest to the woman's phone and then initiate a ground search.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/consumersmarts/archives/122707.asp

However, there is no way to "ping" a laptop, correct? So, theoretically, if N is ok and has his laptop, he could connect to the internet (say for instance, from a motel with internet access or anywhere), read emails on his account and see everything written about him on the internet? And nobody would ever know? [/*]

I think that if someone had his user names and passwords then they could go on and check if any emails had been read. But he also could have made a new account without telling anyone.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz


I think that if someone had his user names and passwords then they could go on and check if any emails had been read. But he also could have made a new account without telling anyone. [/*]

Tracking his computer
Hi- wanted to thank Brady and his team for investigating how/if we could track down Nicholas' computer via his IP address. Unfortunately, tracking his laptop via IP addresses is nearly impossible.

The missing computer has been filed into the national crimes database and we keep checking craigslist to see if it pops up there.

IP addresses are of absolutely no use at this point regardless of vendor or who provided the card. And for Nicholas' laptop, AirPort was the built-in method or card he used. He determined that unless you have a "tracker" installed before a laptop is stolen, it's a bad scenario.

IP address are very, very different from the MAC addresses (again not MAC as in Macintosh, but MAC as in Media Access Control). Any IP address that shows up on the Internet is 99.9% to be from behind a firewall preventing you from accessing the "true" IP Address of the originating machine. And again, even if we knew his true IP Address - determining the MAC address would be similar to finding a needle in a haystack the size of Jupiter.
http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

[need2no]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Anna Forum???
Don't have a clue what this is.
:confused: [/*]


Sorry this was O/T. :punch: my bad!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no



Sorry this was O/T. :punch: my bad! [/*]

NP need2no, I won't :punch: you. LOL. If it's O/T, pm me and let me know what the Anna...is.
TIA

[Oregongal]

Almost midnight for me...going to leave and try and get some sleep. Ya'll have no idea how this case affects my sleep, what with thinking and praying and thinking. Hoping that good news will be what I see in the morning.
There have been many times I wake up in the middle of the night and think of NF. Maybe I should turn on puter to see who the est (east coast) people are on and see what they are thinking. But, I don't, just say a prayer and try to go back to sleep.
Bless everyone who are on this case and are doing whatever they can, which includes posting opinions and theories, ideas and emotions which could possibly help in finding NF.
I sometimes think that all of you and I are the only ones who are doing whatever they can for this young man and our hopes of finding him alive and well. I know there are others who feel the the same, believe me, I do, but as I'm part of this board, that is to whom I am speaking right now.
Good night all, sleep well.
Prayers and hopes for the Francisco family continue with me. :rose:

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Anna Forum???
Don't have a clue what this is.
:confused: [/*]

me either
:confused: