Discussion - March 15th. [Archive] - Page 2

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

OK, I really want to know this, not being a brat. :tongue:

How does it hurt to have a picture of my niece's daughter online? What if it's only a head shot? What can a pedophile do with just a picture? I mean, what if he prints it out, and puts it on his wall ... how can that harm her?

I know this question may sound crazy to you guys, but truly ... I DO want to know what everybody is so paranoid about it for. Explain? [/*]

diana, IMO it's not wrong to put kids pics up as long as you are aware of pervs out there that may use them for there own...hmmm....agenda. :eek:
But, again, IMO if you are part of a national news case, for whatever reason..if you have been on the national news, in local news, in print etc, I feel it's foolish to have your kids pics plastered on your blog or other places where thousands of people, good and bad can access/see their innocent little faces.
JMO

moonlessnite

03-15-2008, 07:15 PM

umm, this might be a little morbid, but did you see the thing about the three size 12 right feet washing up in the straight of Georgia, *.C.?
http://www.katu.com/news/16375706.html

they happened too early to be NF's *yet*, but jeeze, weird. hopefully not related.

ThruTheTrees

03-15-2008, 07:20 PM

not far from where the Franciscos live:

http://www.komotv.com/news/16705156.html

By KOMO Staff
Police are looking for a suspect in the shooting of a 27-year-old man early Saturday morning in Tukwila.

The victim was shot in the head at about 3:30 a.m. during an altercation with another man in the 5700 block of S. 152nd Street. He was taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, where he is listed in critical condition.

Police said the incident began when when the victim got into a verbal dispute with another man. The dispute evolved into a fist fight. During the fight, a handgun came into play, and the victim was shot once in the head.

The suspect fled the scene and remains at large. Tukwila police detectives and interviewing witnesses and following up on leads.

The victim's name has not been released.

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Do you have any thoughts as to what might have occured that led to Nicholas's disappearance on 2/13? Is it your opinion that someone from the biz site that knew CF and/or NF was involved, someone that also came here and WS - based on what you had said in an earlier post. Maybe you can help us to expand on that idea by giving more insight as to what it is based on.

[/*]

Yes that is my opinion if in fact NF walked.

mc528

03-15-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

Yes that is my opinion if in fact NF walked. [/*]

OK. I'm not understanding any connection, or anything yet to substantiate that idea, but you are definitely entitled to your opinion. Have you shared what evidence you might have with the Seattle PD? Even if you don't want to share it here, since your opinions must be based on things that no-one else has uncovered, it would be a good idea to give the PD the info so they can fully investigate. IMO

Danette44

03-15-2008, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I guess I understand not putting her husband's picture up on her myspace about as much as I understand her posting a "which Jane Austin Heroine are you?" quiz on February 28th.

Is this really important at a time like this? I understand taking your mind off of everything going on around you, but this just seems like a slap in the face to anyone who really is looking for NF.

Again, if I were her mother-in-law, I'd have some serious questions for her about my son and their relationship. [/*]

Godforbid if we're to question Christines actions........if Christine thinks that Nicholas was murder why haven't there been any water searches? Are there shorelines anywhere there, beaches, small islands close by, where "IF", he was murder would wash up somewhere close by?

wondering?

03-15-2008, 08:08 PM

Not sure if this has been posted or not, don't remember it but interesting. Go down about halfway and read about Nicholas.

http://mihow.com/

need2no

03-15-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
Not sure if this has been posted or not, don't remember it but interesting. Go down about halfway and read about Nicholas.

http://mihow.com/ [/*]

Thanks for the link, will be interesting to see what else she says when she posts more.

Is she just being sarcastic (and mocking posters here), when she makes the comment about NF (aka Nico) being the gal she used to smoke cigs with after school?

n/t

03-15-2008, 08:25 PM

Danette44

03-15-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
Not sure if this has been posted or not, don't remember it but interesting. Go down about halfway and read about Nicholas.

http://mihow.com/ [/*]

Very interesting thank you wondering?

I wish they would get rid of that 911 number - people that don't want to be known wont call that number......you can't block a call to 911 right?? Just curious ty

mc528

03-15-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thanks for the link, will be interesting to see what else she says when she posts more.

Is she just being sarcastic (and mocking posters here), when she makes the comment about NF (aka Nico) being the gal she used to smoke cigs with after school? [/*]

I think she was saying that NF, or Nicholas as she knows him, is NOT the Nico that is mentioned. Nico is the name of the girl that she used to smoke with. Apparently, someone here, in one of the early threads, was the one that had been speculationg whether *Nico* was really NF. The blog post in the link was trying to set that misunderstanding straight. At least that's how I read it.

n/t

03-15-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thanks for the link, will be interesting to see what else she says when she posts more.

Is she just being sarcastic (and mocking posters here), when she makes the comment about NF (aka Nico) being the gal she used to smoke cigs with after school? [/*]

I've heard Nicholas using the username Nico come up before on this forum. I think it was way at the beginning.

Yeah she was mocking posters here. I can't believe people put their personal stuff on the internet like that. Seriously. It's real creepy if you ask me.:chicken:

need2no

03-15-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I think she was saying that NF, or Nicholas as she knows him, is NOT the Nico that is mentioned. Nico is the name of the girl that she used to smoke with. Apparently, someone here, in one of the early threads, was the one that had been speculationg whether *Nico* was really NF. The blog post in the link was trying to set that misunderstanding straight. At least that's how I read it. [/*]

Ok thanks I just didn't connect the two things, but what you said makes sense. All I could assume from reading it was sarcasm directed at us perhaps due to the gay speculation posts here.

need2no

03-15-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I've heard Nicholas using the username Nico come up before on this forum. I think it was way at the beginning.

Yeah she was mocking posters here. I can't believe people put their personal stuff on the internet like that. Seriously. It's real creepy if you ask me.:chicken: [/*]

I'm with you...creepy, and I really don't understand the purpose of such sharing of your personal life.

Danette44

03-15-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Nope no such thing as blocking a call to 911. [/*]

I didn't think so......thank you :)

n/t

03-15-2008, 08:49 PM

What I find interesting is all these people who supposedly know Nicholas and/or Christine mock our theories including Nicholas taking off because of marital and/or personal reasons.

I don't see any of them posting about looking for him or helping find out what may have happened to him. They just sit there on their computers mocking posters on this board and other boards.

If it wasn't so sad, I'd be laughing.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Godforbid if we're to question Christines actions........if Christine thinks that Nicholas was murder why haven't there been any water searches? Are there shorelines anywhere there, beaches, small islands close by, where "IF", he was murder would wash up somewhere close by? [/*]

There is hundreds of miles of shoreline.. where do you suggest starting?

ETA.. when I reread that.. it sounded kinda snippy but I wasn't being. Just think if she has a feeling that he is around water.. what would you suggest would be the course of action to take to find him.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by n/t
What I find interesting is all these people who supposedly know Nicholas and/or Christine mock our theories including Nicholas taking off because of marital and/or personal reasons.

I don't see any of them posting about looking for him or helping find out what may have happened to him. They just sit there on their computers mocking posters on this board and other boards.

If it wasn't so sad, I'd be laughing. [/*]

This isn't exactly true.

Just because we don't see them searching or there is no news about them searching doesn't mean that they aren't.

I happen to know that there has been several organized searches that have never been televised but when you exhaust everywhere you think he could have went between where he was and where he was going.. then what?

desmom

03-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Has it ever been reported if NF had a habit of forgetting to charge his cell phone? I keep going back to the cell phone. It seems convenient that the battery was not charged on the day he disappeared.

I think he walked. I don't know if it was for another relationship or just he wanted out.

One coworker said, "It's not normal for him to make stops, have hangouts or go visit anyone else". http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

Christine said, "We are his life, we are the center of his life."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351639_missing17__web.html

He didn't ever hangout or visit friends? Everyone needs and deserves some R & R.

Maybe the day in day out of 2 jobs, 3 people + one on the way relying on him for support, the mounting debt became overwhelming.

jmo

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:00 PM

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I'm with you...creepy, and I really don't understand the purpose of such sharing of your personal life. [/*]

Lots of people are doing it these days. Many are even making lots of money blogging about their life.

You really would be amazed at how many people are doing it.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Envision

You start all over. [/*]
We are talking about a big city. It isn't like looking through the woods.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

This isn't exactly true.

Just because we don't see them searching or there is no news about them searching doesn't mean that they aren't.

I happen to know that there has been several organized searches that have never been televised but when you exhaust everywhere you think he could have went between where he was and where he was going.. then what? [/*]

Then I wonder why she told the producer of Greta that no one is helping her look for her husband.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

This isn't exactly true.

Just because we don't see them searching or there is no news about them searching doesn't mean that they aren't.

I happen to know that there has been several organized searches that have never been televised but when you exhaust everywhere you think he could have went between where he was and where he was going.. then what? [/*]

Well, according to Christine nobody is helping her search.

On one of the threads, there were numerous posts made by us about areas that we felt should be checked. Was anything done?

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Then I wonder why she told the producer of Greta that no one is helping her look for her husband. [/*]

I posted at the same time.;)

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I've heard Nicholas using the username Nico come up before on this forum. I think it was way at the beginning.

Yeah she was mocking posters here. I can't believe people put their personal stuff on the internet like that. Seriously. It's real creepy if you ask me.:chicken: [/*]

I wonder if this is just the mindset of that age group because I know I would not put my personal information out there - pics of my kids, etc.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I know this wasn't addressed to me but someone mentioned a lake.

Can't remember who posted it but I'll try to look for it. [/*]

There is a lake around where his car was found. There are lots of lakes in that area. There is also.. lots of puget sound on the other side. There is ALOT of water. Probaby more water in the Seattle area then land.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

We are talking about a big city. It isn't like looking through the woods. [/*]

Wooded areas would be a good idea too. Refer to yesteday's thread or day before. Can't remember.

Maybe you can put a list together of our ideas and email it to Christine. I'm a crime board member so I'm not allowed to. :rolleyes:

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

There is a lake around where his car was found. There are lots of lakes in that area. There is also.. lots of puget sound on the other side. There is ALOT of water. Probaby more water in the Seattle area then land. [/*]

OK...well start at the lake where the car was found. Sitting on the computer mocking and insulting posters won't help find him, right?

I'm not saying you but I think you know who I'm referring to.:)

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Well, according to Christine nobody is helping her search.

On one of the threads, there were numerous posts made by us about areas that we felt should be checked. Was anything done? [/*]

Like I said.. where do you start if you have retraced everywhere you could that you knew he was suppose to be? I don't think there are any going on right this second.. but I feel very confident in saying that if she asked and had a plan there would be lots of people that would help her. They just don't know where to look.

I have no idea if people went to the places that were posted here. I think that the people from this area and that knew Nicholas and his habits are the best ones to know where to search. But.. then there was no reason for the car in Federal Way.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:11 PM

As early as up to two weeks ago there was and have been organized searches. The problem is, without experts and major expensive equipment, there is no where left to search.

Do you think pregnant Christine with two kids in tow should just start aimlessly searching miles and miles, not knowing what she is even doing?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Like I said.. where do you start if you have retraced everywhere you could that you knew he was suppose to be? I don't think there are any going on right this second.. but I feel very confident in saying that if she asked and had a plan there would be lots of people that would help her. They just don't know where to look.

I have no idea if people went to the places that were posted here. I think that the people from this area and that knew Nicholas and his habits are the best ones to know where to search. But.. then there was no reason for the car in Federal Way. [/*]

Right! Maybe they did not know him as well as they thought they did.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
As early as up to two weeks ago there was and have been organized searches. The problem is, without experts and major expensive equipment, there is no where left to search.

Do you think pregnant Christine with two kids in tow should just start aimlessly searching miles and miles, not knowing what she is even doing? [/*]

If she has contacted TES and not gotten a response, she should try and try again. They have the expensive equipment and a proven track record.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by n/t

OK...well start at the lake where the car was found. Sitting on the computer mocking and insulting posters won't help find him, right?

I'm not saying you but I think you know who I'm referring to.:) [/*]

Yeah.. and I don't think she represented it correctly in saying nobody would help search. I know for a fact that is not the case. Heck.. I would even go help if there was some organized effort.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If she has contacted TES and not gotten a response, she should try and try again. They have the expensive equipment and a proven track record. [/*]

True. Maybe she has done that. I am sure they have a pretty tight schedule and who know what process one would have to go through with LE and such. I hope she has. TES is awesome.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Nor was there any known reason for it not to be. [/*]

Uhh.. I don't understand what this means.

He wasn't going to Federal Way so there would be no reason for the car to be there and there has been no indication that he knew anyone around that area.:shrug:

Danette44

03-15-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

There is hundreds of miles of shoreline.. where do you suggest starting?

ETA.. when I reread that.. it sounded kinda snippy but I wasn't being. Just think if she has a feeling that he is around water.. what would you suggest would be the course of action to take to find him. [/*]

Just curious if he could wash up to shore just as Laci and Connors did, didn't know how the water shorelines are there. People were talking about the water being close to where he worked. Alot of young men on this board have been found in water close to where they dissappeared. I could take if if you were being snippy......:)

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Has it ever been reported if NF had a habit of forgetting to charge his cell phone? I keep going back to the cell phone. It seems convenient that the battery was not charged on the day he disappeared.

I think he walked. I don't know if it was for another relationship or just he wanted out.

One coworker said, "It's not normal for him to make stops, have hangouts or go visit anyone else". http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

Christine said, "We are his life, we are the center of his life."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351639_missing17__web.html

He didn't ever hangout or visit friends? Everyone needs and deserves some R & R.

Maybe the day in day out of 2 jobs, 3 people + one on the way relying on him for support, the mounting debt became overwhelming.

jmo [/*]

This is from the link I posted this morning:

Quote from Mr. Lieberman from AMW:

LEIBERMAN: Yes, here's what's going on right now. They look at the cellphone, the cellphone has been turned off or it's gone dead.

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So, to me this means that as of Feb. 22, we do NOT know yet if the cellphone was indeed turned off or dead. Christine keeps saying it was dead but we don't know if LE confirmed that.

If it was confirmed by authorities, I may have missed it and would appreciate someone providing a link.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yeah.. and I don't think she represented it correctly in saying nobody would help search. I know for a fact that is not the case. Heck.. I would even go help if there was some organized effort. [/*]

This is not helping find Nicholas I know, but this is the part I do not understand. That would be a slap in the face to me if I had helped organize and coordinate searches, physically looked for him, and supported her and she acted like none of it happened.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by n/t

This is from the link I posted this morning:

Quote from Mr. Lieberman from AMW:

LEIBERMAN: Yes, here's what's going on right now. They look at the cellphone, the cellphone has been turned off or it's gone dead.

=======

So, to me this means that as of Feb. 22, we do NOT know yet if the cellphone was indeed turned off or dead. Christine keeps saying it was dead but we don't know if LE confirmed that.

If it was confirmed by authorities, I may have missed it and would appreciate someone providing a link. [/*]

I dont have a link but one of his co-workers stated his phone was dead.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

Thank you so much for the list of hotels.....glad someone here is still working the case instead of discussing their personal feelings. [/*]

OUCH

But.. what are you doing to do with that list? They have been checked.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

True. Maybe she has done that. I am sure they have a pretty tight schedule and who know what process one would have to go through with LE and such. I hope she has. TES is awesome. [/*]

I do know that LE has to approve their being there - I would hope that Seattle LE would let them in if they could come.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
As early as up to two weeks ago there was and have been organized searches. The problem is, without experts and major expensive equipment, there is no where left to search.

Do you think pregnant Christine with two kids in tow should just start aimlessly searching miles and miles, not knowing what she is even doing? [/*]

Yes. She's in her early stage of pregnancy. No harm to the baby. She's not disabled, she's pregnant! Yes, she can walk.

As for her two kids, I'm sure her many friends can help out with babysitting.

oh.....I forgot the MOOOOO

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I know this wasn't addressed to me but someone mentioned a lake.

Can't remember who posted it but I'll try to look for it. [/*]

Panther Lake near the condos?

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Yes. She's in her early stage of pregnancy. No harm to the baby. She's not disabled, she's pregnant! Yes, she can walk.

As for her two kids, I'm sure her many friends can help out with babysitting.

oh.....I forgot the MOOOOO [/*]

LOL. Sorry N/T but that sounds sort of absurd to me. You need volunteers, people. One pregnant woman that has no idea how to even conduct a search isnt going to do much good. MOO back at cha. lol

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

OUCH

But.. what are you doing to do with that list? They have been checked. [/*]

Are you saying the hotels were checked?

mc528

03-15-2008, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

OUCH

But.. what are you doing to do with that list? They have been checked. [/*]

How do you know they have all been checked? I must have missed that in what had been reported.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Just curious if he could wash up to shore just as Laci and Connors did, didn't know how the water shorelines are there. People were talking about the water being close to where he worked. Alot of young men on this board have been found in water close to where they dissappeared. I could take if if you were being snippy......:) [/*]

There really isn't any shoreline in downtown Seattle.. it is all piers. If someone did something to him down there.. I don't know what would happen to their body (God forbid). I would think it would just stay there and someone would see it. The water is pretty deep.

Over in West Seattle there are lots of beaches but I couldn't see a body being dumped in Seattle winding up there since Seattle is more inland that West Seattle.. it would have to travel a long ways.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Are you saying the hotels were checked? [/*]

The motels around where the car was found were called and had nobody by that name staying there.

I asked.. what about the hostels tho. They weren't checked... and neither were the hotels and motels in Seattle. But.. that would be pretty extensive.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

LOL. Sorry N/T but that sounds sort of absurd to me. You need volunteers, people. One pregnant woman that has no idea how to even conduct a search isnt going to do much good. MOO back at cha. lol [/*]

You asked about Christine. Of course she'll need voluteers but I thought that was a given. I didn't realize I had to detail who needed to be part of the search.

Sadly, I don't think any family of a missing loved one comes with a "how to" book. Christine will have to start making calls, contacting authorities, getting information,etc. If she needs help, there's always Nick's family. Or is that a no no??

Harlett said she would help Christine. I think thats a good start.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 09:27 PM

Maybe or maybe not N told C he needed some space, and was going to head down south to his father's in Vancouver for a few days (but he didn’t tell his father and was just going to show up). From the video snippet his father seems like the non-judgmental type who maybe N could talk to if he was having some problems. I don't know just a feeling.

He decided to stay overnight in Federal Way at a motel and was going to head down to his father's the next morning and call in sick to work that day. Which is why he told his co-workers his cell was dead in case anyone tried to call him.

But C called people that night and said he was "missing." Friends left frantic voicemails on his cell, and when he checked his voicemail that night he heard them (I guess that wouldn’t work as his cell records would have shown he accessed his voicemail). Or his friends sent him emails and he logged on from the motel and saw them. So then he was too embarrassed to contact anyone or come back.

Cury-us Coyote

03-15-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If she has contacted TES and not gotten a response, she should try and try again. They have the expensive equipment and a proven track record. [/*]

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by n/t

You asked about Christine. Of course she'll need voluteers but I thought that was a given. I didn't realize I had to detail who needed to be part of the search.

Sadly, I don't think any family of a missing loved one comes with a "how to" book. Christine will have to start making calls, contacting authorities, getting information,etc. If she needs help, there's always Nick's family. Or is that a no no??

Harlett said she would help Christine. I think thats a good start. [/*]

Hmm I guess we see things totally different. If you go on the Blog of Nick's friends or even google, there have been all sorts of organized searches. However, just like in most missing cases, after they have searched so much, there really isnt anything left to do.

Like I said, without TES and high tech equipment that can search bodies of water and things such as that.

As far as making calls and all that, none of us know what she has done. Every thing has not been detailed to us. I'm quite sure she has though. Thus, the previous searches.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:29 PM

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 09:29 PM

Yes, so C may not be emotionally or physically able to take any action. That’s ok. So I hope then that a relative or friend has taken or will take charge of the situation, coordinate some action plans with everyone who wants to help and also acts as a family spokesperson to work with the media and keep the focus on finding Nicholas and not anything else. And I hope any efforts will not be stifled or controlled in any way.

I see from the HFTM website (one resource only) there are a lot of actions that can be taken. Here are a few:

GET HELP FROM FRIENDS, FAMILY
People want to help but they often don't know what to do. Give them tasks – don’t wait for them to ask. They can help with phone calls, completing forms, mailing flyers, reaching out to the media, making certain you take care of yourself, etc.

GET FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO HELP WITH YOUR OTHER CHILDREN DURING THIS CRISIS.

*Work as a team. Try to establish a teamwork approach with law enforcement. They need you as part of the team. Cooperation with them is essential. You can also expect law enforcement to ask some hard and difficult questions. DO NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY. Remember; keep focused on your goal of getting your child back.
*Law enforcement contact person. Establish or have law enforcement establish a contact person (one person) within your local law enforcement agency so you are consistently and accurately informed of on-going developments in your case.
*Ask for more help. Ask the FBI and/or your state crime bureau to assist in the investigation. Call the Governor of your State if need be to ask him/her for a show of support for your cause. Your Governor could also call in the National Guard to conduct a ground search.
*Media Although TV seldom features missing adults, it is sometimes possible to find a sympathetic columnist with a newspaper who will cover the story and print a photo. It’s very difficult being rejected when reaching out for help. However, there’s always a chance that someone will help. Keep trying.
*Contact all local media. Police may have to initiate the request, but you or your spokesperson will be responsible for maintaining contact and keeping attention focused on the abduction story. Set up a phone listing of these local media sources so that they are readily accessible to you.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

The motels around where the car was found were called and had nobody by that name staying there.

I asked.. what about the hostels tho. They weren't checked... and neither were the hotels and motels in Seattle. But.. that would be pretty extensive. [/*]

Called? Are you saying they called the hotels to see if a Mr. Nicholas Francisco checked in?? Don't you think that's absurd? Mystry, I doubt if Nicholas was hiding an affair he would be going by his real name.

Who called? From my career experience and staying at hotels around the world, they are not allowed to reveal the information. If you ask for a person's room they will transfer your call but they will not tell you if so and so is staying there nor will they give you a room number.

If it was LE, I don't think they'd be calling, they'd show up.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Old Timer
Yes, so C may not be emotionally or physically able to take any action. That’s ok. So I hope then that a relative or friend has taken or will take charge of the situation, coordinate some action plans with everyone who wants to help and also acts as a family spokesperson to work with the media and keep the focus on finding Nicholas and not anything else. And I hope any efforts will not be stifled or controlled in any way.

I see from the HFTM website (one resource only) there are a lot of actions that can be taken. Here are a few:

GET HELP FROM FRIENDS, FAMILY
People want to help but they often don't know what to do. Give them tasks – don’t wait for them to ask. They can help with phone calls, completing forms, mailing flyers, reaching out to the media, making certain you take care of yourself, etc.

GET FRIENDS AND RELATIVES TO HELP WITH YOUR OTHER CHILDREN DURING THIS CRISIS.

*Work as a team. Try to establish a teamwork approach with law enforcement. They need you as part of the team. Cooperation with them is essential. You can also expect law enforcement to ask some hard and difficult questions. DO NOT TAKE THIS PERSONALLY. Remember; keep focused on your goal of getting your child back.
*Law enforcement contact person. Establish or have law enforcement establish a contact person (one person) within your local law enforcement agency so you are consistently and accurately informed of on-going developments in your case.
*Ask for more help. Ask the FBI and/or your state crime bureau to assist in the investigation. Call the Governor of your State if need be to ask him/her for a show of support for your cause. Your Governor could also call in the National Guard to conduct a ground search.
*Media Although TV seldom features missing adults, it is sometimes possible to find a sympathetic columnist with a newspaper who will cover the story and print a photo. It’s very difficult being rejected when reaching out for help. However, there’s always a chance that someone will help. Keep trying.
*Contact all local media. Police may have to initiate the request, but you or your spokesperson will be responsible for maintaining contact and keeping attention focused on the abduction story. Set up a phone listing of these local media sources so that they are readily accessible to you.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23 [/*]

And this one:

STAY AWAY FROM NEGATIVE PEOPLE
The continuing search

* Keep hope in your heart.
* Seek long-term support from Team HOPE, family and friends.
* Avoid negative forces.
* Continue to keep a journal.
* Stay in touch with authorities.
* Nurture law enforcement and media relationships.
* Take care of yourself
* Last but not least, remain calm and avoid negative people.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html [/*]

Thanks.

Case #: 08037211 - Missing persons

Christine asked about TES on another board early on and several posters gave her the info.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hmm I guess we see things totally different. If you go on the Blog of Nick's friends or even google, there have been all sorts of organized searches. However, just like in most missing cases, after they have searched so much, there really isnt anything left to do.

Like I said, without TES and high tech equipment that can search bodies of water and things such as that.

As far as making calls and all that, none of us know what she has done. Every thing has not been detailed to us. I'm quite sure she has though. Thus, the previous searches. [/*]

Take a look at some of the cases on this board. Ben Roseland for example. He went missing a few days before Nicholas. Family is still searching. Here's a link. http://www.clintonherald.com/local/local_story_074231725.html

I could understand if it was months of searching and nothing but lets's get real here. He's been missing for a month. Are you saying they should give it up?

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Called? Are you saying they called the hotels to see if a Mr. Nicholas Francisco checked in?? Don't you think that's absurd? Mystry, I doubt if Nicholas was hiding an affair he would be going by his real name.

Who called? From my career experience and staying at hotels around the world, they are not allowed to reveal the information. If you ask for a person's room they will transfer your call but they will not tell you if so and so is staying there nor will they give you a room number.

If it was LE, I don't think they'd be calling, they'd show up. [/*]

It wasn't LE.. but they may have, I don't know.

I have no idea what was said or who actually was the one making the call. So, I can't answer that.

If it were me.. I wouldn't ask if he checked in.. I would ask for his room and if they said he didn't have one then I would ask if anyone matching his description had checked in. I don't think there is a law against saying someone matching the description might have checked in.. but I have no idea. I would think you could appeal to a hotel clerk pretty quickly.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 09:37 PM

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Anyone could call and say they are LE. You're also correct in the fact they cannot tell you who is there. If you already know they are there and ask for their room number, they can connect you. [/*]

Yes, exactly. Only if the person knew the room number. They will not give room numbers or names out to anybody who calls.

desmom

03-15-2008, 09:38 PM

IMO, if NF was staying in a hotel or motel, he would not have checked in under his own name.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

We are talking about a big city. It isn't like looking through the woods. [/*]

But there are alot of woods in the area, well the whole state. And alot of water. They don't talk of it as the green state for nothin.
No meaning the eco green thing either.
It's green, green, green. There are many, many lakes and of course the sound.
JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:38 PM

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

It wasn't LE.. but they may have, I don't know.

I have no idea what was said or who actually was the one making the call. So, I can't answer that.

If it were me.. I wouldn't ask if he checked in.. I would ask for his room and if they said he didn't have one then I would ask if anyone matching his description had checked in. I don't think there is a law against saying someone matching the description might have checked in.. but I have no idea. I would think you could appeal to a hotel clerk pretty quickly. [/*]

Mystry, they will not reveal any information on their guests. It's for security purposes.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Take a look at some of the cases on this board. Ben Roseland for example. He went missing a few days before Nicholas. Family is still searching. Here's a link. http://www.clintonherald.com/local/local_story_074231725.html

I could understand if it was months of searching and nothing but lets's get real here. He's been missing for a month. Are you saying they should give it up? [/*]

Well I have been on this board for awhile and I read the missing person's threads. In fact I have a site for missing people. It all depends on what sort of support you are getting from not only family and friends, but from LE. If LE isnt helping all that much (missing adult males just doesn't not seem to be a priority) then you better have money or start raising money. Searching can be expensive. Each case is different.

No you dont give up. I am saying right now, LE has said until they have more leads there isn't much they can do. See it all the time in missing adult males.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Then I wonder why she told the producer of Greta that no one is helping her look for her husband. [/*]

Do you think that after this amount of time has passed people feel they've done all they can and have gradully stopped?

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Just because he never stated he was going there doesn't mean he wouldn't. Do you yourself pinpoint every stop you are making or everywhere you've been in your day? Does everyone you know, know evey minute aspect and detail of your life? I highly doubt it and if you said yes, I would not believe you. I told my son yesterday I was going to Target. I didn't tell him I stopped at Starbucks or the pet store too but if I turned up missing he would never absolutely deny it could be possible I went there even though I had only told him I was going to Target. [/*]

OK but you are talking in the same general vacinity of where you were going. This is not just down the road and somewhere that he typically would be. This was a 30 minute drive from his home.. closer to an hour from his work somewhere that wasn't familiar to his the people that were closest to him.. as somewhere he would go. If I tell someone that I am going to the store.. I doubt that they would think to look for my car in Seattle.. which is the same distance from me that his car was from his home. That makes no sense.. at all.. why it would be that far away.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Do you think that after this amount of time has passed people feel they've done all they can and have gradully stopped? [/*]

I would think that if it wasn't being said that people just don't know where to look, not that they WON'T look, but they just don't know where.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I remember about 2 weeks in she made a comment somewhere that the phone calls of concern to her had dwindled as people were getting "tired" and had other things to do. [/*]

See that is what I mean. Its all about support. LE is not going to do much else without leads. Its up to the family and friends. If there is no support, its hard to be vigilant. Maybe they just dont know what to do. Maybe they need someone to guide them. Hopefully Harlett will help with that.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Uhh.. I don't understand what this means.

He wasn't going to Federal Way so there would be no reason for the car to be there and there has been no indication that he knew anyone around that area.:shrug: [/*]

That's the mystery. Nobody can say for sure if he knew anybody. He may have. Maybe Christine doesn't even know. She said he had no reason to be there but did Christine know everything about her husband? Maybe not.

Obviously, she didn't know about the supposed debts and the financial situation. Right?

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 09:46 PM

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I wonder if this is just the mindset of that age group because I know I would not put my personal information out there - pics of my kids, etc. [/*]

Could be Rainy, I know I've only been on the internet a few years and there is still so much I'm still learning about. These blogs kind of boggle my mind. I can see a 'jounaling' type of blog, anonymously, but this putting every little detail with pics and video to boot, I don't get it. Yet, my DD who's 26 just says to me non-chalantly, it's what people do these days mom. No big deal.
I guess I'm in the older age group. :(

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Obviously, she didn't know about the supposed debts and the financial situation. Right? [/*]

Still dont get where yall say debts. LE said there was nothing weird financially. Just because she is totally freaking out now about her financial situation? I would too. She is preggy with no job and two kids.

isitme

03-15-2008, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by desmom
IMO, if NF was staying in a hotel or motel, he would not have checked in under his own name. [/*]

Also if he did not have cash as was reported and no activity on his CC or debit cards he how would he be able to register at a hotel. Isn't the person registering the one that has provide information for paying the bill?

So if he were in any of the hotel/motels he would most likely be with someone else and the room registered under that persons name.

But of course if he had cash or a secret CC then he might have used his own name. But if someone is in hiding, especially so close to home, would they wan to use theri own name anyway?

I don't think it can be said that they have been searched until clerks have been interviewed with a photo for them to look at.

JMHO, and MOO

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

The way I read it she says Nico is NOT Nicholas Francisco but someone else. Yes she does not appreciate this board in my opinion. [/*]

LMAO. No she doesn't. She said something like "someone has been watching too much Dateline." lol thats classic.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Still dont get where yall say debts. LE said there was nothing weird financially. Just because she is totally freaking out now about her financial situation? I would too. She is preggy with no job and two kids. [/*]

I started to answer this last night but was too tired lol. IMO, LE either lied or C has lied. LE says nothing wierd going on financially, but word is put out through her sister they are in desperate financial shape. This is 3 days after he went missing.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If she has contacted TES and not gotten a response, she should try and try again. They have the expensive equipment and a proven track record. [/*]

And lots of experience!!! They are good.
And I agree about trying again and again. I'm sure they are busy, but the old saying of 'the squeaky wheel gets the attention.
I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling she hasn't contacted them. Maybe she's afraid of the answer they may find out about from them.
MOO,JMO

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by cteall
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KindraLore

Well I have been on this board for awhile and I read the missing person's threads. In fact I have a site for missing people. It all depends on what sort of support you are getting from not only family and friends, but from LE. If LE isnt helping all that much (missing adult males just doesn't not seem to be a priority) then you better have money or start raising money. Searching can be expensive. Each case is different.

Hi Kindralore, I am new here and have been following this case for a couple of weeks. What is your website for missing people? I bet it is a really nice site, would love to see it. Fortunately Christine did start raising money immediately, I can only hope that now that her mortgage is paid through April she can now start applying some of the remaining funds toward finding her life partner. [/*]

Hi cteall. We all see things different about the money thing I guess because the way I see it, others started raising money FOR her and her children.

If I were in her shoes, I would think she did a smart thing of paying her mortgage ahead as much as possible, seeing as she does not know what the future brings.

As far as my site, I'd rather not bring that into this equation although from my stats I know a few a been curious and found it. There are many that don't like me (I thought I was pretty likable too..lol) and that is something to me that I would like to keep separate.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Still dont get where yall say debts. LE said there was nothing weird financially. Just because she is totally freaking out now about her financial situation? I would too. She is preggy with no job and two kids. [/*]

Didn't Christine say something about Nicholas hiding the debt from her so she won't worry. I'm paraphrasing cuz I don't remember her exact words.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I started to answer this last night but was too tired lol. IMO, LE either lied or C has lied. LE says nothing wierd going on financially, but word is put out through her sister they are in desperate financial shape. This is 3 days after he went missing. [/*]

Hi Rainy. Can you quote what the sister said for me? I don't remember the wording of it. Tanks!

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Envision

It doesn't matter whether the Starbucks was in the same vicinity or not, which it in fact was NOT, he would not discount that it would be possible being he does not know every single place I go to as I don't tell him either. It is highly possible NF didn't tell every single destination he ever traveled to and whether or not she believes he did, she and especially LE should not discount any reason for his vehicle to be found there just by her say so. [/*]

But he was expected home by 7ish - no way for him to run an errand that far from his home and get back there in a reasonable time.

Danette44

03-15-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

There is a case number on his flyer so thats good. [/*]

But she still hasn;t posted his picture on their site - why not? She can delete alot of pictures but can't post one of her Missing Husband?? jmoo

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hi Rainy. Can you quote what the sister said for me? I don't remember the wording of it. Tanks! [/*]

I'll send the link to you in PM - I don't want to get in trouble with CW

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by cteall
It was Christine who said she was considering bankruptcy (or something to that effect). Without a LOT of debt what would even make you think about bankruptcy?

[/*]

Wasn't that from an interview just this past week? From what I heard of it, I would say she means in general. Like my husband is gone, no source of income. The way things are going, I will have to file bankruptcy...

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

But there are alot of woods in the area, well the whole state. And alot of water. They don't talk of it as the green state for nothin.
No meaning the eco green thing either.
It's green, green, green. There are many, many lakes and of course the sound.
JMO [/*]

OK.. are you suggesting that the entire state should be searched? And how?

Seattle is a metropolitan area.. where he lives is a metropolitan area with a international airport in their backyard.

It is actually the evergreen state. We do have lots of woods and rural areas but not in Seattle... could be going up the pass in 30 minutes.. but then where do you look? There are hundreds and hundreds of miles of woods and mountains... rivers.. lakes.. etc.

n/t

03-15-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

LMAO. No she doesn't. She said something like "someone has been watching too much Dateline." lol thats classic. [/*]

If you think this is some sort of game and you're laughing at our posts, maybe this isn't the place to be.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Because she is the one who stated in an "E" thread "I looked into his paypal and found my sweet husband had been shielding me from debt". That's where. [/*]

Is it me or are you always having an underlining snippiness to me? lol

Thanks. Was that the exact quote she said? That could still mean many things. Especially since he had a second business. I dont remember that being the exact quote though.

I dont see any reason for LE to lie about the financial aspect to the public.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by n/t

If you think this is some sort of game and you're laughing at our posts, maybe this isn't the place to be. [/*]

Game? No n/t. No game. I guess that is just my personality. Lighten up a little.

HarlettOhara

03-15-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

And lots of experience!!! They are good.
And I agree about trying again and again. I'm sure they are busy, but the old saying of 'the squeaky wheel gets the attention.
I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling she hasn't contacted them. Maybe she's afraid of the answer they may find out about from them.
MOO,JMO [/*]

What some don't realize is that TES can not just take off somewhere at the drop of the hat. They have prior commitments, they are a non-profit org that relies on donations.. Tim has said that they possibly would not have enough money to finish the search they were doing in Natalee Holloway's case. It costs them quite a bit of money to do a search. When there is a search you need to get paper products, food, water, shelter etc.. set up for the searchers. If you can't get those things donated it comes out of TES' pocket. Lastly, LE may not want TES there.. and that happens a lot.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Didn't Christine say something about Nicholas hiding the debt from her so she won't worry. I'm paraphrasing cuz I don't remember her exact words. [/*]

Here's some info:

Feb 17th, Fashiongreentbags posted (snipped):

I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis. Her sister's name is Jannel.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=2

Feb 19th, Christine posted (snipped):

thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn't realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.

Feb 21st, John Urquhart, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff's Office
"He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

March 8th

Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:03 PM

I mentioned the 2 "positive sightings" as reported by AMW. Were those ever checked? What about the cams confirming if the person was indeed Nicholas?

Christine should be asking for answers.

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Old Timer

Here's some info:

Feb 17th, Fashiongreentbags posted (snipped):

I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis. Her sister's name is Jannel.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=2

Feb 19th, Christine posted (snipped):

thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn't realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.

Feb 21st, John Urquhart, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff's Office
"He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

March 8th

Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html [/*]

Thank you. :seeya:

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by cteall
If I was considering allowing my home to go into forclosure I probably wouldn't use the limited funds I had available to pay extra mortgage payments....JMO.

I can't imagine that many people here don't like you, they seem like a very nice group of people here. I am sorry that you don't feel like sharing your website, I bet it is a very nice one.

[/*]

The not liking statement was a joke because I try to be a little light hearted. But as N/T has pointed out, it sometimes goes awry so I will try and refrain.

Again. I got the feeling she meant if things kept going the way they are and Nick isnt found, that is what would happen. I feel paying ahead, she is trying to keep that from happening so that her and her babies will have a home.

My site has nothing to do with this thread. (not being snippy, just saying)

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Game? No n/t. No game. I guess that is just my personality. Lighten up a little. [/*]

I can't. I take this case very seriously. If I want to lighten up, I'll go watch the comedy channel.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I think that if someone came to Seattle to see Nicholas they would have stayed in a hotel/motel. They would have used their own name and not Nicholas's name.

Calling and asking for Nicholas Francisco would be pointless especially if he were hiding the fact that he was there. [/*]

You are suggesting they are still in a motel?

If he was leaving.. why not wait til payday, at least so he had some money?

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I can't. I take this case very seriously. If I want to lighten up, I'll go watch the comedy channel. [/*]

I got cha N/T. Although that statement was just out and out rude, I'm all good. However, make sure you arent joking or going OT from here on. Id hate to call ya on it.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I can't. I take this case very seriously. If I want to lighten up, I'll go watch the comedy channel. [/*]

No offense intended n/t but every case needs a little levity.. otherwise it becomes a little more than overwhelming for some.

I don't think you should take it personally. It is obvious that you care alot about this case. You are here almost everytime that I am posting. It has obviously touched you. That doesn't mean you shouldn't unwind a little bit and if you do it doesn't mean that you care any less.

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

...and what a good reason that someone would leave given the opportunity and the right person to leave with. [/*]

Or LE not doing much. Look at the inconsistencies. Who to believe? LE or the wife?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:10 PM

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

No offense intended n/t but every case needs a little levity.. otherwise it becomes a little more than overwhelming for some.

I don't think you should take it personally. It is obvious that you care alot about this case. You are here almost everytime that I am posting. It has obviously touched you. That doesn't mean you shouldn't unwind a little bit and if you do it doesn't mean that you care any less. [/*]

Maybe you should read back at the posts I was replying to and maybe you would understand where I was coming from.

I'll unwind when I want to. Thank you very much.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

...and what a good reason that someone would leave given the opportunity and the right person to leave with. [/*]

and leave your children, money, car, home, life for?

Man.. that must be some woman...

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks Old Timer - I finally found the link but now Kendra's box is full...aargh [/*]

Thanks to both of you. Man those boxes are tiny.

isitme

03-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

and leave your children, money, car, home, life for?

Man.. that must be some woman... [/*]

It's been known to happen!!!!

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Or LE not doing much. Look at the inconsistencies. Who to believe? LE or the wife? [/*]

That was where this started - LE says in one breath no financial problems - then the next confirms it which verifies what Christine has been saying since Day one.

Nellie

03-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Do you think that after this amount of time has passed people feel they've done all they can and have gradully stopped? [/*]

The online fundraising began for her on 2/16.....she was even turning down babysitting offers and saying her house was so full of people there would be room for no one else. She said people were bringing them food. Nicholas' friends from CO even went there to help out. She went on Greta on 2/20 and told her producer that she had no help and was alone? That seems so unappreciative of those who were helping her at that very time. That is so sad.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I dont have a link but one of his co-workers stated his phone was dead. [/*]

I thought it was only CF's word on that and she did add that his co-workers confirmed that.
I also remember seeing somewhere that according the cell phone provider that they said the battery was dead, but I haven't seen any 'official' co-oberation of that from LE, or any one official.
JMO

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by isitme

It's been known to happen!!!! [/*]

Didn't say it hasn't. Just seems like a stretch for this guy. IMO

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:16 PM

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I thought it was only CF's word on that and she did add that his co-workers confirmed that.
I also remember seeing somewhere that according the cell phone provider that they said the battery was dead, but I haven't seen any 'official' co-oberation of that from LE, or any one official.
JMO [/*]

I am too lazy to look for links. One was on that interview where they were saying LE said nothing wrong financially. (If I'm not mistaken)

I know I have read it in news articles before.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

No, I don't think they are still in Seattle but like I said earlier I think they are northeast of the Fairbanks Alaska area.

Not based on fact but just a gut feeling and my own opinion. [/*]

OK well my gut says that something bad has happened to him.

Envisions gut says that he walked away.. (not sure where she thinks he is)

Your gut says that he is in Alaska.

Christine's gut says that he is near water.

What does that say?

And I thought you thougth that he was part of the ALF group that burned down the Street of Dreams homes? Or is that still part of that?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:19 PM

Its been a month and when his phone was pinged or traced, battery was dead. If he put a battery in it today, would they still be trying to track that phone? I mean every day do they see if there is any activity on it or does it becomes "oh his cell phone is dead". Anyone even generally know the answer as to how LE works?

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The online fundraising began for her on 2/16.....she was even turning down babysitting offers and saying her house was so full of people there would be room for no one else. She said people were bringing them food. Nicholas' friends from CO even went there to help out. She went on Greta on 2/20 and told her producer that she had no help and was alone? That seems so unappreciative of those who were helping her at that very time. That is so sad. [/*]

Maybe another reason nobody wants to help anymore?? JMO!

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by cteall
Kindralore, I was able to find your website, it is very nice. It looks like it is full of wonderful information. I look forward to going back to it again. Unless I was looking in the wrong place I didn't see any information on it about NF. Did I miss it? Just wondering..... [/*]

Nope. You didnt see anything about Nick. I thought about it, but then the way these threads go, I decided not to bring that to there thank you.

I just got a PM I am not too happy about either and whether you like me or not, I hope you people arent as mean and spiteful to bring my site into this. OR start some weird campaign against me. That site is a good thing. Please leave it at that.

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Its been a month and when his phone was pinged or traced, battery was dead. If he put a battery in it today, would they still be trying to track that phone? I mean every day do they see if there is any activity on it or does it becomes "oh his cell phone is dead". Anyone even generally know the answer as to how LE works? [/*]

Good question.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

What some don't realize is that TES can not just take off somewhere at the drop of the hat. They have prior commitments, they are a non-profit org that relies on donations.. Tim has said that they possibly would not have enough money to finish the search they were doing in Natalee Holloway's case. It costs them quite a bit of money to do a search. When there is a search you need to get paper products, food, water, shelter etc.. set up for the searchers. If you can't get those things donated it comes out of TES' pocket. Lastly, LE may not want TES there.. and that happens a lot. [/*]

Harlett - I am aware that they are not just sitting on a park bench waiting for a phone call. As far as the donation, some of that money Christine has could be given to them. IMO

Danette44

03-15-2008, 10:24 PM

decor

03-15-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Nope. You didnt see anything about Nick. I thought about it, but then the way these threads go, I decided not to bring that to there thank you.

I just got a PM I am not too happy about either and whether you like me or not, I hope you people arent as mean and spiteful to bring my site into this. OR start some weird campaign against me. That site is a good thing. Please leave it at that. [/*]

I saw a report last night on television about someone who was being harassed on the internet and how they were able to sue them successfully

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Anyone could call and say they are LE. You're also correct in the fact they cannot tell you who is there. If you already know they are there and ask for their room number, they can connect you. [/*]

This is my thinking only, but in tracking my ex one time I called and asked to be connected to ......his name....they wouldn't tell me the room #, but they connected me to his room.
But that is only is someone is using their real name. I'm thinking that if you said you were LE, they'd ask for your badge number and what precinct or department you were from so they could check before they answered.
JMO

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Nope. You didnt see anything about Nick. I thought about it, but then the way these threads go, I decided not to bring that to there thank you.

I just got a PM I am not too happy about either and whether you like me or not, I hope you people arent as mean and spiteful to bring my site into this. OR start some weird campaign against me. That site is a good thing. Please leave it at that. [/*]

??? Are you kidding?

Nobody here would do something like that, right? Just because you don't agree with their point of view. If so Kindra.. you should let CW know.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

:lol: Now thats's CLASSIC if indeed it's her website and nothing about Nicholas is on it......JMOO [/*]

Wow, the love here is awesome. Think what you want Danette. I dont need to prove anything to any of you and I am not the subject of this thread am I?

Unreal.

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

This is my thinking only, but in tracking my ex one time I called and asked to be connected to ......his name....they wouldn't tell me the room #, but they connected me to his room.
But that is only is someone is using their real name. I'm thinking that if you said you were LE, they'd ask for your badge number and what precinct or department you were from so they could check before they answered.
JMO [/*]

I don't think LE would be calling. They would show up, imo.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

??? Are you kidding?

Nobody here would do something like that, right? Just because you don't agree with their point of view. If so Kindra.. you should let CW know. [/*]

I agree. Missing people need all the help they can get and any site dedicated to missing people should be respected.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I agree. Missing people need all the help they can get and any site dedicated to missing people should be respected. [/*]

Thank you Rainy.

As for some of you, talk about being "picked on", man some of you would be whining to high heaven tonight if you were in my shoes. Please, if you dont like me. Its all good. No big deal. Just keep moving on to the next comment. No need for personal attacks.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

:lol: Now thats's CLASSIC if indeed it's her website and nothing about Nicholas is on it......JMOO [/*]

If he is on her website, it might show up in a google search for his name and she said she would rather keep that separate from this board.

Danette44

03-15-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Wow, the love here is awesome. Think what you want Danette. I dont need to prove anything to any of you and I am not the subject of this thread am I?

Unreal. [/*]

No you do not Kindra - I'm sorry I just couldn't stop myself - but sometimes your remarks come back as snippy, and really we are all here for the same purpose......Nicholas. moo

mc528

03-15-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

No, I don't think they are still in Seattle but like I said earlier I think they are northeast of the Fairbanks Alaska area.

Not based on fact but just a gut feeling and my own opinion. [/*]

Beth E.....do you think that the person that came to visit him in Seattle was from Fairbanks? Or just that is where they two headed from Seattle? Any particular reason Fairbanks would be the destination? Wonder if any of his internet tracks can be matched to a connection in Alaska. Do you think that he left for personal reasons, or more serious trouble?

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

I'm just trying to discuss the case. It is ELF Eco Terrorists not ALF and I never said he was part of the group who set the fires.

What I said was that he might have had access to information about the group and fled the area. [/*]

It is ELF.. and you said that when all was said and done that we would find that there would be a connection to ELF with this case.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Or LE not doing much. Look at the inconsistencies. Who to believe? LE or the wife? [/*]

Hmmm, since the quote was "...and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing."

Do you think this means they didn't find significant debt, no recent notable transactions, or nothing that they could use to track him?

I'm not familiar with what they specifically look for in these types of cases.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

No you do not Kindra - I'm sorry I just couldn't stop myself - but sometimes your remarks come back as snippy, and really we are all here for the same purpose......Nicholas. moo [/*]

Well Danette. I guess you called as you saw it and I agree. I am a very direct person (with a humorous side) and sometimes they do. So if offended, I do apologize. On the same token yall aren't all roses and smiles to me either...lol (thats my humor not snippiness :) )

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

OK.. are you suggesting that the entire state should be searched? And how?

Seattle is a metropolitan area.. where he lives is a metropolitan area with a international airport in their backyard.

It is actually the evergreen state. We do have lots of woods and rural areas but not in Seattle... could be going up the pass in 30 minutes.. but then where do you look? There are hundreds and hundreds of miles of woods and mountains... rivers.. lakes.. etc. [/*]

No, not suggesting that, but those rural areas are not that far from the city. That's where I think TES would be beneficial. Start from where he was and work out.
30 minutes is not that far to begin to look, but also down by the piers and in the sound would be a good place to start. Or the lake closest to where his car was found.
She's the one who stated she felt he might be in water, that to me is a big clue.
JMO,MOO :)

HarlettOhara

03-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Nope. You didnt see anything about Nick. I thought about it, but then the way these threads go, I decided not to bring that to there thank you.

I just got a PM I am not too happy about either and whether you like me or not, I hope you people arent as mean and spiteful to bring my site into this. OR start some weird campaign against me. That site is a good thing. Please leave it at that. [/*]

It's not just you Kindra, I have gotten PM's also that aren't to nice..

Danette44

03-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If he is on her website, it might show up in a google search for his name and she said she would rather keep that separate from this board. [/*]

I respected that - that remark was made before she ask not for it to be revealed.......

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well Danette. I guess you called as you saw it and I agree. I am a very direct person (with a humorous side) and sometimes they do. So if offended, I do apologize. On the same token yall aren't all roses and smiles to me either...lol (thats my humor not snippiness :) ) [/*]

what?????????????
:D
:rose:

kpb

03-15-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by decor

I saw a report last night on television about someone who was being harassed on the internet and how they were able to sue them successfully [/*]

Yes by all means sue! :rolleyes:

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

It's not just you Kindra, I have gotten PM's also that aren't to nice.. [/*]

Wow. That really does amaze me Harlett. We ARE on a missing person's forum aren't we??

Wow..

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what?????????????
:D
:rose: [/*]

LOL Rainy. You are a good peep. :)

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

No, not suggesting that, but those rural areas are not that far from the city. That's where I think TES would be beneficial. Start from where he was and work out.
30 minutes is not that far to begin to look, but also down by the piers and in the sound would be a good place to start. Or the lake closest to where his car was found.
She's the one who stated she felt he might be in water, that to me is a big clue.
JMO,MOO :) [/*]

Well.. while I disagree about why she said that.. I do agree that is a good place to start. If we are looking for a body.

Can't seem to pinpoint what people are actually thinking at this point.

HarlettOhara

03-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Harlett - I am aware that they are not just sitting on a park bench waiting for a phone call. As far as the donation, some of that money Christine has could be given to them. IMO [/*]

Wow... a person just tries to give a bit of insight as to why TES has not been there.. I'm sorry if you took it as me thinking you thought they were waiting on a bench for a phone call...

n/t

03-15-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Old Timer

Hmmm, since the quote was "...and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing."

Do you think this means they didn't find significant debt, no recent notable transactions, or nothing that they could use to track him?

I'm not familiar with what they specifically look for in these types of cases. [/*]

This was the exact quote posted:

March 8th

Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...singman08m.html

I would interpret that as they found no significant debt. Nothing out of the norm. In one of the interviews, I believe it was the Greta one, Christine was asked about finances and she replied <paraphrasing> they were an average family. No mention of being deep in debt but then as we know, she changed her story and just recently as this past week, she's contemplating filing for bankruptcy.

Something doesn't make sense.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

What some don't realize is that TES can not just take off somewhere at the drop of the hat. They have prior commitments, they are a non-profit org that relies on donations.. Tim has said that they possibly would not have enough money to finish the search they were doing in Natalee Holloway's case. It costs them quite a bit of money to do a search. When there is a search you need to get paper products, food, water, shelter etc.. set up for the searchers. If you can't get those things donated it comes out of TES' pocket. Lastly, LE may not want TES there.. and that happens a lot. [/*]

I understand all of what you said, this could have been a place that CF could have used those donations for.
And my thought on LE maybe not wanting TES, could be they do know more than is out there for the public...including us...and that could be a reason they haven't contacted them also, or allowed them to come in.
JMO

Nellie

03-15-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you Rainy.

As for some of you, talk about being "picked on", man some of you would be whining to high heaven tonight if you were in my shoes. Please, if you dont like me. Its all good. No big deal. Just keep moving on to the next comment. No need for personal attacks. [/*]

FTR, I like you Kindra! :rose:

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Wow... a person just tries to give a bit of insight as to why TES has not been there.. I'm sorry if you took it as me thinking you thought they were waiting on a bench for a phone call... [/*]

No I'm sorry Harlett. I'm just frustrated that TES has not been actively pursued to my knowledge because if Nicholas IS floating in water somewhere, I would like to think he could be put to rest with some dignity. Again I'm sorry.

Wrenn

03-15-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by n/t

This was the exact quote posted:

March 8th

Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...singman08m.html

I would interpret that as they found no significant debt. Nothing out of the norm. In one of the interviews, I believe it was the Greta one, Christine was asked about finances and she replied <paraphrasing> they were an average family. No mention of being deep in debt but then as we know, she changed her story and just recently as this past week, she's contemplating filing for bankruptcy.

Something doesn't make sense. [/*]

I interpret that quote to mean they found no transactions that might give them an idea where he is or what direction he might be headed.

desmom

03-15-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by n/t

This was the exact quote posted:

March 8th

Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...singman08m.html

I would interpret that as they found no significant debt. Nothing out of the norm. In one of the interviews, I believe it was the Greta one, Christine was asked about finances and she replied <paraphrasing> they were an average family. No mention of being deep in debt but then as we know, she changed her story and just recently as this past week, she's contemplating filing for bankruptcy.

Something doesn't make sense. [/*]

See I see it differently....

IMO, LE is saying they checked their financial records and did not find any airline ticket, bus ticket, Amtrak tickets, hotel room charges or any suspicious withdrawals of cash.

jmo

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

FTR, I like you Kindra! :rose: [/*]

Awe thanks Nellie. I like you too.

We dont have to all agree just try and get along. And even when we "fight" we dont have to get all personal.

Nellie

03-15-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by n/t

In one of the interviews, I believe it was the Greta one, Christine was asked about finances and she replied <paraphrasing> they were an average family. No mention of being deep in debt but then as we know, she changed her story and just recently as this past week, she's contemplating filing for bankruptcy.

Something doesn't make sense. [/*]

She said that to Greta at the very same time she was putting the word out to her online community that she was in desperate need of money and they were donating to her.... So, she told Greta something entirely different than she was presenting to her online community. Why is that?

decor

03-15-2008, 10:47 PM

I have watched this board all day. It goes along fine as long as those that want gossip and talk about Christine are free to do so. As soon as someone comes along to stand up for her all h*** breaks loose.

Most of the people here do not want to hear anything good or nice about Christine. They want to be free to say anything they want which has been entirely negative.

My favorite post was from last night.

something to the effect that if Christine turns out to be innocent of everything don't worry about it, that is what apologies are for and no need to feel guilty for it.

So I guess it is okay to destroy a persons name, drag them thru the mud, put it out here for everyone to read in the future as long as you can apologize.

For some reason some people cannot see the difference between discussing the possibilities of someone being involved and just saying downright ugly things about them :(

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Wrenn

I interpret that quote to mean they found no transactions that might give them an idea where he is or what direction he might be headed. [/*]

It meant that to me too but it also meant that there was nothing that would indicate he ran off (since they were looking at that aspect too).

Edited to say like financial difficulties or large withdrawals from the account before hand.

Old Timer

03-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I don't think LE would be calling. They would show up, imo. [/*]

Agree n/t!!!

Danette44

03-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Well.. while I disagree about why she said that.. I do agree that is a good place to start. If we are looking for a body.

Can't seem to pinpoint what people are actually thinking at this point. [/*]

Christine herself stated she thinks he was murdered, so why not search for a body - perhaps we will still find a Live Body - which we're all praying for. jmoo

Nellie

03-15-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Awe thanks Nellie. I like you too.

We dont have to all agree just try and get along. And even when we "fight" we dont have to get all personal. [/*]

Yeah...I wish all the bickering could quit. Everyone can state their opinions whether they agree or not. I don't think you and I agree on everything or even a lot (LOL) about this case. But I still respect you and hope/think you respect me. There's really no need to fuss over the things we disagree with.

mc528

03-15-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Wrenn

I interpret that quote to mean they found no transactions that might give them an idea where he is or what direction he might be headed. [/*]

That's how I have interpretted all of the LE statements regarding the finances too. I know LE has been quoted on a few occasions, articles and videos....I don't believe LE has ever said that they didn't find debt (significant or otherwise). IMO, it's been interpretations of that statement that has turned into "no significant debt" MOO/JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Christine herself stated she thinks he was murdered, so why not search for a body - perhaps we will still find a Live Body - which we're all praying for. jmoo [/*]

Yes, she said she thought he was murdered and then said she thinks he might be near water. I hope to goodness he is living it up on a houseboat and we can all be furious with him.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Envision

And moving on now.....group hug and no groping or stealing my wallet like last time....:beer: [/*]

:beer:

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Wow, the love here is awesome. Think what you want Danette. I dont need to prove anything to any of you and I am not the subject of this thread am I?

Unreal. [/*]

As I said before, I like you Kindra and support you on this forum.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by mc528

That's how I have interpretted all of the LE statements regarding the finances too. I know LE has been quoted on a few occasions, articles and videos....I don't believe LE has ever said that they didn't find debt (significant or otherwise). IMO, it's been interpretations of that statement that has turned into "no significant debt" MOO/JMO [/*]

But wouldnt significant debt be a reason to run off? Because when they stated that they said there were two things that they thought happened. Either foul play or he ran off. Therefore I think they were covering both with the financial statement.

JMO

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by decor
I have watched this board all day. It goes along fine as long as those that want gossip and talk about Christine are free to do so. As soon as someone comes along to stand up for her all h*** breaks loose.

Most of the people here do not want to hear anything good or nice about Christine. They want to be free to say anything they want which has been entirely negative.

My favorite post was from last night.

something to the effect that if Christine turns out to be innocent of everything don't worry about it, that is what apologies are for and no need to feel guilty for it.

So I guess it is okay to destroy a persons name, drag them thru the mud, put it out here for everyone to read in the future as long as you can apologize.

For some reason some people cannot see the difference between discussing the possibilities of someone being involved and just saying downright ugly things about them :( [/*]

I agree decor.

I know many are stating that they won't care if and when it comes out that Christine is innocent of everything.. but you don't know that until the truth comes out.

I have done the same thing to someone and I post differently now because of it.

Something about this board that is somewhat differnt then some others. You are almost scared to say some things.. and I think it comes from alot of new posters that haven't learned that it isn't a personal thing when someone disagrees with you. The more you post the more you get it.

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I agree. Missing people need all the help they can get and any site dedicated to missing people should be respected. [/*]

ITA

desmom

03-15-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Yes, she said she thought he was murdered and then said she thinks he might be near water. I hope to goodness he is living it up on a houseboat and we can all be furious with him. [/*]

From the google maps I have studied of Seattle there appears to be as much water as there is city.

jmo

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 10:56 PM

Ok, I've caught up. But, my family is screaming for dinner and have to go for awhile. Then I will be back and catching up again....sigh.
See you all later.
Hopefully there may be something new and good about NF.
:seeya:

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by desmom

From the google maps I have studied of Seattle there appears to be as much water as there is city.

jmo [/*]

This is true desmom and lots of woods.. on this side of the mountains.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

This is true desmom and lots of woods.. on this side of the mountains. [/*]

Then there is no way LE has enough resources. This seems hopeless.

decor

03-15-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I agree decor.

I know many are stating that they won't care if and when it comes out that Christine is innocent of everything.. but you don't know that until the truth comes out.

I have done the same thing to someone and I post differently now because of it.

Something about this board that is somewhat differnt then some others. You are almost scared to say some things.. and I think it comes from alot of new posters that haven't learned that it isn't a personal thing when someone disagrees with you. The more you post the more you get it. [/*]

that would be because they have already tried her and found her guilty and nay to those who would disagree

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by decor

that would be because they have already tried her and found her guilty and nay to those who would disagree [/*]

what do you think happened to Nicholas?

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:02 PM

decor

03-15-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what do you think happened to Nicholas? [/*]

Today, with what little we know I think Nick just took off because everything is just too neat.

I also have the feeling that even though it was planned, the actual day that he was going to leave was not. I believe he left at the last minute, not knowing that this was the day he was leaving.

It bothered me that he was normal at work which would point to something that wasn't planned happened to him. That left violence against him or a plan that he had and decided to do at the last minute on that day.

If you were planning a complete change of your life would you be able to function normally at work? I would think a person would be filled with anxiety waiting until it was time to leave work and leave for good.

I think something happened between work and home that made him decide that that was the day.

I also wonder if he knew and planned with the guy that went missing the next day to take off at some point together. I then wonder if they ran into each other in the Costco parking lot and the other guy said he was leaving the next day. Nick may not have wanted to do that to Christine on Valentine's day so left the night before which would have also helped them that they both disappeared on different days.

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 11:05 PM

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by decor

Today, with what little we know I think Nick just took off because everything is just too neat.

I also have the feeling that even though it was planned, the actual day that he was going to leave was not. I believe he left at the last minute, not knowing that this was the day he was leaving.

It bothered me that he was normal at work which would point to something that wasn't planned happened to him. That left violence against him or a plan that he had and decided to do at the last minute on that day.

If you were planning a complete change of your life would you be able to function normally at work? I would think a person would be filled with anxiety waiting until it was time to leave work and leave for good.

I think something happened between work and home that made him decide that that was the day.

I also wonder if he knew and planned with the guy that went missing the next day to take off at some point together. I then wonder if they ran into each other in the Costco parking lot and the other guy said he was leaving the next day. Nick may not have wanted to do that to Christine on Valentine's day so left the night before which would have also helped them that they both disappeared on different days. [/*]

I think this makes a lot of sense. How do you think his car may have ended up at the condos, and then moved around? Do you think maybe Nicholas was still in the area until that Sunday/Monday......maybe even observing what was going on?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by decor

Today, with what little we know I think Nick just took off because everything is just too neat.

I also have the feeling that even though it was planned, the actual day that he was going to leave was not. I believe he left at the last minute, not knowing that this was the day he was leaving.

It bothered me that he was normal at work which would point to something that wasn't planned happened to him. That left violence against him or a plan that he had and decided to do at the last minute on that day.

If you were planning a complete change of your life would you be able to function normally at work? I would think a person would be filled with anxiety waiting until it was time to leave work and leave for good.

I think something happened between work and home that made him decide that that was the day.

I also wonder if he knew and planned with the guy that went missing the next day to take off at some point together. I then wonder if they ran into each other in the Costco parking lot and the other guy said he was leaving the next day. Nick may not have wanted to do that to Christine on Valentine's day so left the night before which would have also helped them that they both disappeared on different days. [/*]

Thank you for answering....I think he left also but I wonder if they had argued and he did tell her he was going to leave. Maybe he didn't say when, but just in a general argument. I've wondered if she is scared now that he really meant it since he didn't come home and thats why some of her answers seem off.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I think this makes a lot of sense. How do you think his car may have ended up at the condos, and then moved around? Do you think maybe Nicholas was still in the area until that Sunday/Monday......maybe even observing what was going on? [/*]

I said in an earlier post that I felt he had left the car somewhere possibly with the keys in it so someone would take it.

He could have also paid someone on the street to take the car and park it in a place like the Federal way place and move it around until the police found it.

HarlettOhara

03-15-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

Remember the Natalie Holloway case?.....now that is how someone acts when someone they love goes missing. The person is driven and intent. We have seen none of this here. [/*]

Everyone acts differently when something like this happens. There is not a book with guidelines telling a person how they should or shouldn't act.

Some are intent and driven, some fall totally apart and are not able to cope whatsoever... and then there are the rest that fall somewhere in between.

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

I said in an earlier post that I felt he had left the car somewhere possibly with the keys in it so someone would take it.

He could have also paid someone on the street to take the car and park it in a place like the Federal way place and move it around until the police found it. [/*]

Thanks. Sorry, I must have missed your earlier post....sometimes they move pretty quick and I'm sure I missed some. Maybe if LE releases what they did or didn't find in the car it might help to be able to figure the car in Federal Way piece to the puzzle. IMO

Nellie

03-15-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by decor

If you were planning a complete change of your life would you be able to function normally at work? I would think a person would be filled with anxiety waiting until it was time to leave work and leave for good.

[/*]

I always go back to Beth Smith. She functioned just fine all the way to a Women's Conference with a girlfriend. She functioned just fine during the Friday night they stayed in a hotel and during the Friday night conference. She functioned just fine at the conference Saturday morning up until she went to the bathroom and never came back to her seat. Her girlfriend never suspected a thing...saw no signs of her acting stressed or abnormal or like anything was bothering her. So, who knows? :shrug:

decor

03-15-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thank you for answering....I think he left also but I wonder if they had argued and he did tell her he was going to leave. Maybe he didn't say when, but just in a general argument. I've wondered if she is scared now that he really meant it since he didn't come home and thats why some of her answers seem off. [/*]

I think there is the possibility that things had been said earlier but not taken seriously until she may have realized that he actually did follow thru.

On the other hand she may not have had a clue if this is what happened.

Beth E, said something one day that I have not been able to get out of my head. I hear it everyday and have no idea why this one thing has stuck with me thru hundreds and hundreds of pages.

Beth E. said she kept hearing him in her head saying "Christine would kill me" or will kill me or something like that.
To me this makes sense because I believe that he truly loves her. For whatever reason he left, if that is what he did, I do not believe he left because he didn't ever want to be with Christine and kids again. It may have been to prove a point, or it may have had something to do with something that absolutely nothing to do with Christine.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I always go back to Beth Smith. She functioned just fine all the way to a Women's Conference with a girlfriend. She functioned just fine during the Friday night they stayed in a hotel and during the Friday night conference. She functioned just fine at the conference Saturday morning up until she went to the bathroom and never came back to her seat. Her girlfriend never suspected a thing...saw no signs of her acting stressed or abnormal or like anything was bothering her. So, who knows? :shrug: [/*]

Beth was a narcissist wasn't she? she killed her kid because her new boyfriend didn't want them. wasn't that the case?

Nick on the other hand doesn't seem to fit that picture, at least yet.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by decor

I think there is the possibility that things had been said earlier but not taken seriously until she may have realized that he actually did follow thru.

On the other hand she may not have had a clue if this is what happened.

Beth E, said something one day that I have not been able to get out of my head. I hear it everyday and have no idea why this one thing has stuck with me thru hundreds and hundreds of pages.

Beth E. said she kept hearing him in her head saying "Christine would kill me" or will kill me or something like that.
To me this makes sense because I believe that he truly loves her. For whatever reason he left, if that is what he did, I do not believe he left because he didn't ever want to be with Christine and kids again. It may have been to prove a point, or it may have had something to do with something that absolutely nothing to do with Christine. [/*]

So a lapse in judgment with another woman? or losing his job? or not getting his raise? something like that? or something more serious?

desmom

03-15-2008, 11:23 PM

decor

03-15-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

So a lapse in judgment with another woman? or losing his job? or not getting his raise? something like that? or something more serious? [/*]

I seriously doubt he was interested in someone else. Of course I could be wrong but I don't think so.

why? who knows except him and Christine MIGHT have an inkling because she knows what was going on in their life.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

Wrong case....this woman didn't kill her kids. She just took off. [/*]

oh. I was thinking of Susan Smith?

Shimz

03-15-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by decor

that would be because they have already tried her and found her guilty and nay to those who would disagree [/*]

guilty of what?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

It's really not what a person does or doesn't do about finding a loved one who goes missing.......but the look in their eyes that tells the story. You can't hide the truth in those eyes.

Go back to the interviews and turn down the sound and just look at her facial expression and eyes.....then lets discuss the case again. [/*]

The eyes of Mark Lunsford haunt me to this day. I could hardly look at him on television when his daughter was missing. He was in such pain. Same way with Pam Akers (Shawn Hornbeck's mother). Even the night she was reunited with him, she had a haunted look in her eyes. I don't see it either with Christine and it could be her youth - I don't know.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Could be....

She would have panicked when he did not come home that evening. Maybe she hoped if she reported him missing, LE would find him, he would be embarrassed and come home. She would never expect the media attention.

jmo [/*]

I also posted a very similar scenario on the first thread.

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Beth E.....do you think that the person that came to visit him in Seattle was from Fairbanks? Or just that is where they two headed from Seattle? Any particular reason Fairbanks would be the destination? Wonder if any of his internet tracks can be matched to a connection in Alaska. Do you think that he left for personal reasons, or more serious trouble? [/*]

I think maybe this got lost from a couple of pages back....this board is moving very quickly tonight.

Any thoughts?

need2no

03-15-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

But wouldnt significant debt be a reason to run off? Because when they stated that they said there were two things that they thought happened. Either foul play or he ran off. Therefore I think they were covering both with the financial statement.

JMO [/*]

Sorry, I'm behind tonight.

These are the statements from articles in Seattle Times:

1) "We are looking into any cellphone or bank activity since he was last seen," Urquhart said late this afternoon. Urquhart said police had no indication of anything suspicious, "other than he hasn't come home." 02/15/08

2) Detectives also are checking Francisco's financial records to determine whether they reveal any clues to his disappearance. "There's no indication that there is foul play or any incident in his life that would lead him to go missing voluntarily," Urquhart said. "It's a real 'where is he?' "
02/20/08

3) Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing. 02/23/08

My interpretation was they were checking to see if he had accessed any of his accounts prior to him disappearing or since.

Prior to his disappearance if did he take cash advances from credit cards, withdraw a large sum of money from checking or savings accounts, etc. would indicate he probably walked.

If after he disappeared this could also indicate he walked on the spur of the moment, but more likely someone else could be using his cards/bank acct. which might indicate foul play.

They would have been looking for where the cards were used, what they were used for and when, as a means to track him down, or track down the perps who may have his cards/acct. info.

Would being behind on mortgage and credit card payments really indicate to LE a reason for NF to walk from a good job, his pregnant wife and 2 children? Suppose they were always running behind on bills or if they had only recently experienced financial difficulties. Which would mean more?

Statement #1 above was made on 02/15 (just 2 days after NF vanished) so they had probably just gotten access to everything and started looking.

Statement #2 made on 02/20 says they are checking financial records.

Statement # 3 made on 02/23 says a review of financial records found nothing to lead them to the missing man.

Also Christine has said he had no credit cards with him when he disappeared.

Personally I would think NF would be smart enough to cover his tracks with regard to socking away money. He knew LE and Christine would look, and planned accordingly.

So....from the above statements which were the only ones I could find, I would say they have NOT advised the public whether or not they found the Francisco's to be in serious financial stress.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

guilty of what? [/*]

who knows?
mostly has to do with the fact that they do not like her as a person so she has to be guilty of something

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Could be....

She would have panicked when he did not come home that evening. Maybe she hoped if she reported him missing, LE would find him, he would be embarrassed and come home. She would never expect the media attention.

jmo [/*]

I've wondered this also. She had no way to reach him except through the media to appeal to him about the kids. And right, this thing has taken on a life form of its own.

HarlettOhara

03-15-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

It's really not what a person does or doesn't do about finding a loved one who goes missing.......but the look in their eyes that tells the story. You can't hide the truth in those eyes.

Go back to the interviews and turn down the sound and just look at her facial expression and eyes.....then lets discuss the case again. [/*]

Not being snippy, but I don't need to look at the interview again to discuss the case. I have been in Christine's shoes.. I know what it's like. To even go a bit further, a couple of years after I lost my daughter my house burned. The Insurance Investigator wanted to charge me with arson because he didn't think I got upset enough.

It's not about whether you are wrong, or I am right... it's about a missing young man.. and some tend to lose sight of that when everything is directed at Christine and what she did wrong, or what she didn't do, or what she said...

desmom

03-15-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

The eyes of Mark Lunsford haunt me to this day. I could hardly look at him on television when his daughter was missing. He was in such pain. Same way with Pam Akers (Shawn Hornbeck's mother). Even the night she was reunited with him, she had a haunted look in her eyes. I don't see it either with Christine and it could be her youth - I don't know. [/*]

Then you have Susan Smith. The first time I saw her crying on the national news begging for her children's return, I told my husband she hid those children. I never even considered the thought of what actually happened.

IMO, CF's story just seems off.

jmo

Nellie

03-15-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by decor

Beth was a narcissist wasn't she? she killed her kid because her new boyfriend didn't want them. wasn't that the case?

Nick on the other hand doesn't seem to fit that picture, at least yet. [/*]

NOOOO! Beth Smith didn't kill anyone! She dissappeared.....just like Nicholas. There were, however, some clues in her life that lead some in her family to believe she took off, while others loudly proclaimed that she would NEVER leave her kids. Well, she did just that. They found her in New York living at a shelter and with a job and living a whole new life and she did not want to return home. But yet she just took off in the middle of a Christian Women's Conference and her friend didn't see any signs of it coming at all.

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Sorry, I'm behind tonight.

These are the statements from articles in Seattle Times:

1) "We are looking into any cellphone or bank activity since he was last seen," Urquhart said late this afternoon. Urquhart said police had no indication of anything suspicious, "other than he hasn't come home." 02/15/08

2) Detectives also are checking Francisco's financial records to determine whether they reveal any clues to his disappearance. "There's no indication that there is foul play or any incident in his life that would lead him to go missing voluntarily," Urquhart said. "It's a real 'where is he?' "
02/20/08

3) Detectives have searched the couple's financial records and found nothing to help lead them to the missing man, said sheriff's Sgt. James Laing. 02/23/08

My interpretation was they were checking to see if he had accessed any of his accounts prior to him disappearing or since.

Prior to his disappearance if did he take cash advances from credit cards, withdraw a large sum of money from checking or savings accounts, etc. would indicate he probably walked.

If after he disappeared this could also indicate he walked on the spur of the moment, but more likely someone else could be using his cards/bank acct. which might indicate foul play.

They would have been looking for where the cards were used, what they were used for and when, as a means to track him down, or track down the perps who may have his cards/acct. info.

Would being behind on mortgage and credit card payments really indicate to LE a reason for NF to walk from a good job, his pregnant wife and 2 children? Suppose they were always running behind on bills or if they had only recently experienced financial difficulties. Which would mean more?

Statement #1 above was made on 02/15 (just 2 days after NF vanished) so they had probably just gotten access to everything and started looking.

Statement #2 made on 02/20 says they are checking financial records.

Statement # 3 made on 02/23 says a review of financial records found nothing to lead them to the missing man.

Also Christine has said he had no credit cards with him when he disappeared.

Personally I would think NF would be smart enough to cover his tracks with regard to socking away money. He knew LE and Christine would look, and planned accordingly.

So....from the above statements which were the only ones I could find, I would say they have NOT advised the public whether or not they found the Francisco's to be in serious financial stress. [/*]

I agree.

Nellie

03-15-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Then you have Susan Smith. The first time I saw her crying on the national news begging for her children's return, I told my husband she hid those children. I never even considered the thought of what actually happened.

IMO, CF's story just seems off.

jmo [/*]

I had gut feelings about Susan Smith from the get-go too.
Also had gut feelings about the runaway bride right away.
Sometimes I just get that feeling......

decor

03-15-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Not being snippy, but I don't need to look at the interview again to discuss the case. I have been in Christine's shoes.. I know what it's like. To even go a bit further, a couple of years after I lost my daughter my house burned. The Insurance Investigator wanted to charge me with arson because he didn't think I got upset enough.

It's not about whether you are wrong, or I am right... it's about a missing young man.. and some tend to lose sight of that when everything is directed at Christine and what she did wrong, or what she didn't do, or what she said... [/*]

I think this thing about people not acting or reacting the way they are "supposed" to has gotten way out of hand.

I saw a man interviewed about his son who died in Iraq and the father had been notified that day. The father was smiling and talking about his son as if he was at the supermarket and all I could think was boy it is a good thing your son wasn't murdered at home because they would charge you for it because you didn't "act" the way a grieving father should.

Shimz

03-15-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by decor

who knows?
mostly has to do with the fact that they do not like her as a person so she has to be guilty of something [/*]

I don't think it is so much people think she is guilty of anything, I just think some of us have a hard time understanding her actions.

I don't know her as a person, but watching those interviews, something just seems a little odd. Responding to people through her blog, and then taking down pictures of him and the facts as if it were a "punishment" for us. The last interview about losing the house, imo was an indirect plea for more donations.

I could be terribly wrong but I think these are some things that strike a chord with people, and it may or may not have something to do with his disappearance or not. But I do think they are worth mentioning... maybe not fighting for pages, but at least worth pointing out.

I am not being sarcastic or snippy nor do i mean to offend so please don't attack :)

decor

03-15-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

NOOOO! Beth Smith didn't kill anyone! She dissappeared.....just like Nicholas. There were, however, some clues in her life that lead some in her family to believe she took off, while others loudly proclaimed that she would NEVER leave her kids. Well, she did just that. They found her in New York living at a shelter and with a job and living a whole new life and she did not want to return home. But yet she just took off in the middle of a Christian Women's Conference and her friend didn't see any signs of it coming at all. [/*]

yes, I remember now because I had read about her here. I got her mixed up with the one that killed her kids.

Nellie

03-15-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by decor

I seriously doubt he was interested in someone else. Of course I could be wrong but I don't think so.

why? who knows except him and Christine MIGHT have an inkling because she knows what was going on in their life. [/*]

decor, why would you seriously doubt he'd be interested in someone else? People cheat all the time. Do you know Nicholas personally to be able to feel like he wouldn't be interested in someone else? Just curious how you can be so sure....

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by decor

who knows?
mostly has to do with the fact that they do not like her as a person so she has to be guilty of something [/*]

I think they do not understand she is a very nervous person, has been in shock, says what is bothering her at that specific time and it may change two hours later depends on what she is worrying about right at that specific moment. She is young, pregnant, has two small toddlers and no job.

They are angry about the donations, although all missing person families set up a donation account. They want the donations to stop yesterday, want to get her into trouble for any reason, and criticize every thing she does and yes most of it was started from the E people that came here.

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

I believe that Nicholas is with several people who are like minded and accept him as he is and do not pass judgement on him.
I also believe there is a connection to Fairbanks Alaska. I see a log cabin and logging in the area in my psychic mind.

Some people leave when life gets unbearable and they can do nothing to change it. They also have dreams that only can be fulfilled by determination.

He is not the first person who left nor will he be the last for this reason. [/*]

Thank you.

Nellie

03-15-2008, 11:41 PM

decor

03-15-2008, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

I don't think it is so much people think she is guilty of anything, I just think some of us have a hard time understanding her actions.

I don't know her as a person, but watching those interviews, something just seems a little odd. Responding to people through her blog, and then taking down pictures of him and the facts as if it were a "punishment" for us. The last interview about losing the house, imo was an indirect plea for more donations.

I could be terribly wrong but I think these are some things that strike a chord with people, and it may or may not have something to do with his disappearance or not. But I do think they are worth mentioning... maybe not fighting for pages, but at least worth pointing out.

I am not being sarcastic or snippy nor do i mean to offend so please don't attack :) [/*]

I had stated that I thought there was a difference about discussing someones involvement and literally shredding everything about them.

Haven't you ever met someone and thought wow they're different? of course you have because we all have. and the ones that we think are different think that we are different. so is one right and one wrong? no they are both right because that is just the way they are. we are allowed to be different.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the "other" site she is loved. On this site she is hated. there is no in between except for the few of us that try to stand up for her and we seem to be the minority.

Isn't part of the way to discover things and figure out who did what by not getting personally involved? By hating a person you have already become judgmental of them so then a person cannot be objective.

This is why proof is needed, thank God to convict "most" people otherwise we would all be in jail because of others that thought we were "different"

Silver_Dove

03-15-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by desmom

From the google maps I have studied of Seattle there appears to be as much water as there is city.

jmo [/*]
In Seattle saying he is close to water is a bit like in Nevada saying he was close to sand.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

decor, why would you seriously doubt he'd be interested in someone else? People cheat all the time. Do you know Nicholas personally to be able to feel like he wouldn't be interested in someone else? Just curious how you can be so sure.... [/*]

just a gut feeling.

PerneciaJane

03-15-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Who does? :shrug: [/*]

Reread the posts the donations are mentioned on almost all pages.

mc528

03-15-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I think they do not understand she is a very nervous person, has been in shock, says what is bothering her at that specific time and it may change two hours later depends on what she is worrying about right at that specific moment. She is young, pregnant, has two small toddlers and no job.

They are angry about the donations, although all missing person families set up a donation account. They want the donations to stop yesterday, want to get her into trouble for any reason, and criticize every thing she does and yes most of it was started from the E people that came here. [/*]

I don't think everyone is angry about the donations, and it is a little unfair to say that the disagreeing, and questioning of CF was started primarily by the folks that found their way here from the biz site. Do you know which persons came here from there?
IMO, not everyone that is here and is also a member of the biz site community has been negative and overly critical of CF, just as some that had never previously heard of that site have been questioning CF. I've read quite a few of the other, older threads on this site, that have no relationship whatsoever to the E site, and there is a lot of familiarity in the way the threads progress. MOO/IMO

need2no

03-15-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I have felt all along that if he wanted to save money without her knowing, he could have. Heck, it could be a lot of money, depending on how much moonlighting he was doing, so I agree with that need2no.

The problem with that list, is so much of it is based on what CF has claimed to have happened. Again, LE is probably not taking her word at face value and it would appear, that neither are a lot of us. JMO [/*]

Would you also agree Nicholas seems too intelligent to leave a financial bread crumb trail behind?

Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. Heck I have some hidden money socked away which my DH is not aware of but I'm not planning on leaving-lol. I've been married for almost 20 years and the marriage is good but I'm no fool, stuff happens and I wouldn't want to be caught with my pants down. Over the years I've known too many women who were blindsided in their 'perfect' marriage. It's best to live by the Girl Scout motto-always be prepared.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I think they do not understand she is a very nervous person, has been in shock, says what is bothering her at that specific time and it may change two hours later depends on what she is worrying about right at that specific moment. She is young, pregnant, has two small toddlers and no job.

They are angry about the donations, although all missing person families set up a donation account. They want the donations to stop yesterday, want to get her into trouble for any reason, and criticize every thing she does and yes most of it was started from the E people that came here. [/*]

I agree. And all judgments have been made on the little she has written and based on her interviews on tv. No one that I know of has spent a single day with her to see how she is all day long.

I am one of those E people. I came over here because I couldn't stand all of the ONLY positive posts over there because I knew there was another side. But I came here and it was the same thing except it was reversed. I was looking for middle ground to try and find answers if I could and I knew I wasn't going to if neither side could find the middle.

decor

03-15-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Beth
So how much can a billboard cost? I know that not too long ago, it was less than $2000 a month, however you had to rent it for at least 3 months.

I would think that certainly there has been enough money raised to at least erect one billboard thus far.

Has there been? [/*]

I think until you are in that situation you wouldn't know how you would use the money. To me with all of the canvassing and all of the posters that were distributed I would certainly have to weigh whether I wanted to spend money on a billboard in a place that he has probably left or use the money to pay my bills.

Wrenn

03-15-2008, 11:58 PM

I have not seen anyone say that they hate CF. I have seen people questioning her statements and actions. I have seen people questioning her motives. It is possible to question without hating. I do it to my kids all the time. ("What were you thinking?!") It doesn't mean I hate my kids.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by decor

I had stated that I thought there was a difference about discussing someones involvement and literally shredding everything about them.

Haven't you ever met someone and thought wow they're different? of course you have because we all have. and the ones that we think are different think that we are different. so is one right and one wrong? no they are both right because that is just the way they are. we are allowed to be different.

I am intrigued by the fact that on the "other" site she is loved. On this site she is hated. there is no in between except for the few of us that try to stand up for her and we seem to be the minority.

Isn't part of the way to discover things and figure out who did what by not getting personally involved? By hating a person you have already become judgmental of them so then a person cannot be objective.

This is why proof is needed, thank God to convict "most" people otherwise we would all be in jail because of others that thought we were "different" [/*]

I just popped in for a sec, but I had to say kudos Decor. Awesome post. I 100% fully agree with you.

decor

03-16-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I don't think anyone hates Christine, far from it. What I do think is that we hate what we don't understand about her.

If it were a man whose wife has gone missing and he handled it is such a strange way, we would treat the case differently.

We must look at who would benefit most from Nicholas's death should he become a victim of foul play. [/*]

I don't think she is going to benefit unless they find him dead AND he has insurance. He may not even have that. And I would think she have it done where his body could be found instead of this prolonged search.

If Christine is guilty of anything other than being Christine I will be truly surprised.

As far as benefiting from donations that is not going to last long and certainly not long enough to raise her kids.

PerneciaJane

03-16-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I don't think anyone hates Christine, far from it. What I do think is that we hate what we don't understand about her.

If it were a man whose wife has gone missing and he handled it is such a strange way, we would treat the case differently.

We must look at who would benefit most from Nicholas's death should he become a victim of foul play. [/*]

I read the percentage the other day but can't remember the exact amounts but Wife kills husband in only 3% of cases. Husband kills wife in don't remember the exact percentage but it was a much higher % so that is the reason men are looked at much closer than women.

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by mc528

I don't think everyone is angry about the donations, and it is a little unfair to say that the disagreeing, and questioning of CF was started primarily by the folks that found their way here from the biz site. Do you know which persons came here from there?
IMO, not everyone that is here and is also a member of the biz site community has been negative and overly critical of CF, just as some that had never previously heard of that site have been questioning CF. I've read quite a few of the other, older threads on this site, that have no relationship whatsoever to the E site, and there is a lot of familiarity in the way the threads progress. MOO/IMO [/*]

It would be interesting to see what led each of us to this forum and to following this case for a month.

For me it was the Nancy Grace interview. I am a frequent viewer of NG and Greta shows, have seen many heartbreaking missing person segments on each show but Christine's seemed so off from the norm it peaked my interest and drew me in.

BTW I had never heard of the E site until reading about it here.

decor

03-16-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I just popped in for a sec, but I had to say kudos Decor. Awesome post. I 100% fully agree with you. [/*]

thanks kindra :)

HarlettOhara

03-16-2008, 12:01 AM

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by decor

I am intrigued by the fact that on the "other" site she is loved. On this site she is hated. there is no in between except for the few of us that try to stand up for her and we seem to be the minority.

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I don't hate her. I don't love her. So, I guess I'm "in between".
But I still question a lot about her actions and things she says.

isitme

03-16-2008, 12:05 AM

Nope, don't hate her and I am one of those E people. I can't hate someone unless I have at least met them once. I have never met her, not have I had any conversation with her.

I don't understand her. And because I don't I find that some things are not adding up in my mind. Is that being judgemental? I don't think so. I think it is being logical, open minded and skeptical when 2=2 does not = 4.

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

The lowest quote we have gotten so far for 1 billboard is $6900 [/*]

I know the prices are terribly expensive but it seems I've followed cases where billboards were donated. Do you think there is any possibility of this happening?

mc528

03-16-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I read the percentage the other day but can't remember the exact amounts but Wife kills husband in only 3% of cases. Husband kills wife in don't remember the exact percentage but it was a much higher % so that is the reason men are looked at much closer than women. [/*]

But, IMO, they really shouldn't be. How is someone to tell that the wife in question isn't part of that 3%? And anyway, in almost all of the discussions here, murder of NF by CF has not at all been the subject, or even a suggestion. In fact, most have been about potential reasons that a devoted father with a good job would just walk away from it all. IMO, everyone actually hopes this to be the case - that he walked away....because that would mean that he is still alive. And I believe everyone also wishes him to be found, IMO.

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by decor

I don't think she is going to benefit unless they find him dead AND he has insurance. He may not even have that. And I would think she have it done where his body could be found instead of this prolonged search.

If Christine is guilty of anything other than being Christine I will be truly surprised.

As far as benefiting from donations that is not going to last long and certainly not long enough to raise her kids. [/*]

One other way she could benefit besides financial.
She could benefit with "freedom". Not saying she wants freedom, but what if she has a boyfriend and does want her freedom? Then she could benefit. But then I would think divorce would have been better because she could have collected child support from him if he were alive.

I do wonder if he has life insurance....

HarlettOhara

03-16-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I know the prices are terribly expensive but it seems I've followed cases where billboards were donated. Do you think there is any possibility of this happening? [/*]

We have been trying to get that done... the $6900 was with them donating a portion of the actual amount. We are still working on it...

If anyone that lives in the area and knows of someone in the outdoor advertising, could you put in a word for us :D

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by isitme
Nope, don't hate her and I am one of those E people. I can't hate someone unless I have at least met them once. I have never met her, not have I had any conversation with her.

I don't understand her. And because I don't I find that some things are not adding up in my mind. Is that being judgemental? I don't think so. I think it is being logical, open minded and skeptical when 2=2 does not = 4. [/*]

Raising questions can be a good thing, imo.

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by decor

just a gut feeling. [/*]

WEll my gut feeling is that anyone is capable of cheating ('cept me...:D )

I'm not sure why you think Nicholas would be immune from that.

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by need2no

It would be interesting to see what led each of us to this forum and to following this case for a month.

For me it was the Nancy Grace interview. I am a frequent viewer of NG and Greta shows, have seen many heartbreaking missing person segments on each show but Christine's seemed so off from the norm it peaked my interest and drew me in.

[/*]

Too "matter of fact" and "doth protest too much" for me.....

Oregongal

03-16-2008, 12:12 AM

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

One other way she could benefit besides financial.
She could benefit with "freedom". Not saying she wants freedom, but what if she has a boyfriend and does want her freedom? Then she could benefit. But then I would think divorce would have been better because she could have collected child support from him if he were alive.

I do wonder if he has life insurance.... [/*]

I would expect the employer provides a basic life insurance policy based on his salary, he could then add, and pay for an additional amount of coverage if he choose to do so.

Shimz

03-16-2008, 12:13 AM

FTR...I don't hate her. I don't think she had anything to do with NF's disappearance... I would say that she doesn't know anything about it except for the fact she said that we are 30 steps behind LE...

I do however, feel like she is putting more emphasis on "how am I going to live without him", than "where is he, what happened,how am i going to find him"... IMO

decor

03-16-2008, 12:14 AM

THis is what I think.

I think Christine is young. I think her husband took care of her and she didn't feel the need to worry. Things in her life were okay. she had never been thru a huge life changing experience, at least after she met Nick.

I think this was a shock for her. I think she acted the way Christine would act. I think she didn't understand why people questioned why she acted the way she did. she doesn't see anything wrong with the way she acts because this is Christine and she is ALLOWED to be like this.

I look back on the way I acted over certain things when I was young and though wow how could I have been so dumb.
I wasn't dumb, I just didn't know. You learn with life's experiences.
Some people learn faster than others. Some people learn at a younger age than others.

Some people are naive until something smacks them in the head and then they see things a little differently.

Christine is going to look back on this in 30 years she will remember some of the people that supported her but will remember all those that were so hateful towards her and what an excruciating time it was for her to get thru, not only because she lost Nick but because she thought people would understand...

Oregongal

03-16-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

It's not just you Kindra, I have gotten PM's also that aren't to nice.. [/*]

So sorry Harlett, you of all people to get not nice from anyone whether in pm's or on the board.
You who think only of the victim. It's a shame!!!!

decor

03-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman

If he doesn't have life insurance so that his loving wife and children would be taken care of financially, what does that say about his true feelings? Most all employers offer life insurance in company benefits package. [/*]

it doesn't say anything about him. I don't know anyone in their 20's that thinks they are going to die in their 20's.

and not ALL companies offer it and maybe it is minimal. How long do you think even a quarter of a million would last in today's economy?

HarlettOhara

03-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Yes, many do. Clear Channel has donated over 200 billboards (last that I heard; it may be more now). I'm sure there are several independently owned billboard companies that would donate in such a case or at least reduce the "rent". [/*]

According to an email from Elaine @ ClearChannel. "Unfortunately it will be standard pricing".

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Yes, many do. Clear Channel has donated over 200 billboards (last that I heard; it may be more now). I'm sure there are several independently owned billboard companies that would donate in such a case or at least reduce the "rent". [/*]

Perhaps Publicis has some connections to help pull this off. Great advertising in a way...kill 2 birds with one stone.

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Shimz
FTR...I don't hate her. I don't think she had anything to do with NF's disappearance... I would say that she doesn't know anything about it except for the fact she said that we are 30 steps behind LE...

I do however, feel like she is putting more emphasis on "how am I going to live without him", than "where is he, what happened,how am i going to find him"... IMO [/*]

one more...
"and if I can talk him into coming back home, we can work on making our marriage work".

She seems to have known from the get-go that he wasn't coming home and that bothers me.

decor

03-16-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

WEll my gut feeling is that anyone is capable of cheating ('cept me...:D )

I'm not sure why you think Nicholas would be immune from that. [/*]

you are right. anyone can. I can probably pick out of 100 men 99% of the cheaters. I lived with my ex for 23 years that cheated on me with hundreds of women. that would be literally hundreds. now I can tell just by talking with them for 5 minutes but since I can't talk to him I am going on gut feeling. :)

Oregongal

03-16-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Then there is no way LE has enough resources. This seems hopeless. [/*]

Never hopeless Rainy. But agree, not enough resources.
I won't give up my hope that he is alive until there is a body found to end that hope.

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

one more...
"and if I can talk him into coming back home, we can work on making our marriage work".

She seems to have known from the get-go that he wasn't coming home and that bothers me. [/*]

Was the above statement posted on you-know-where by CF?

HarlettOhara

03-16-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Beth

That's unfortunate, Harlett because I do know that they have donated many many times. Are they donated out or did they stop or do you even know?

What about the mobile billboards? [/*]

They didn't say why.. It may depend on the areas and the amount of space they have available.

We are waiting to hear back from several places that do advertising on mass transit and benches...

Shimz

03-16-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Beth

NELLIE!!! Where is that quote coming from? I don't remember that!
TIA [/*]

I think she is responding to my post about what she could be saying during the interviews....

Old Timer

03-16-2008, 12:26 AM

Sorry, O/T somewhat. About 19 year old Nick Garza who went missing in early Feb. I just saw his mother on Fox News. She said they hired a PI and TES is going there this week.

I snipped a few sections out of this article. The investigation is starting to expand now after slowing down. Two retired state troopers, the FBI, two national missing-person orgs and a PI plan to collaborate with police. Also joining are TES, a search and recovery org, and the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, which is preparing a profile.

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MIDDLEBURY -- No later than 6:42 a.m. Feb. 6 -- a month ago today -- Nick Garza's cell phone stopped working. No incoming calls. No outgoing calls. Undeliverable voice mails and text messages.

Garza's loved ones hope the increased effort can begin to fill the information vacuum. "Something has happened to my son, and somebody knows," said the student's mother, Natalie Garza, 40, of Albuquerque. What could have happened? She's unsure. So are police. "They have no leads, and I still have a lot of questions."

A list of those questions is taped to the fireplace mantel in Hadley House, a Middlebury College guest residence where the Garza family is staying. They have transformed the front sitting room into a makeshift command center. Taped beside the questions are other handwritten papers: names of people the family has contacted, and those they wish to reach; a timeline of Nick Garza's last known whereabouts; even a register of psychics who've called.

Natalie Garza doesn't hesitate when asked how long she plans to stay in Vermont: "Until I find my son." Still, life has become a series of challenges and doubts.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS01/803060309/1009

decor

03-16-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

One other way she could benefit besides financial.
She could benefit with "freedom". Not saying she wants freedom, but what if she has a boyfriend and does want her freedom? Then she could benefit. But then I would think divorce would have been better because she could have collected child support from him if he were alive.

I do wonder if he has life insurance.... [/*]

I am don't think she wasn't cheating on him anymore than I think he was cheating on her.

isitme

03-16-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by decor

you are right. anyone can. I can probably pick out of 100 men 99% of the cheaters. I lived with my ex for 23 years that cheated on me with hundreds of women. that would be literally hundreds. now I can tell just by talking with them for 5 minutes but since I can't talk to him I am going on gut feeling. :) [/*]

You can tell from your experience and gut feeling when a man is a cheater. I think I can tell from my experiences and gut feeling when someone is being less than honest.

HarlettOhara

03-16-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by cteall

OMG Nellie, did she say THAT? To me that says it all and possibly that is why LE and his family are being so "quiet" now. I can't believe I missed that one. Isn't that a confession that she knows he is not murdered? You see, if you give it long enough the truth will always come out, the person will trip up somewhere. IMO this is why so many of us have questioned several things, it just seems that she contradicts herself often. JMO [/*]

Whoa... I don't believe this is an actual quote from Christine.... I think it's a what iffer.... This is how rumors start and an opinion becomes fact.

Yes, I have been around long enough to know if 3 people post it it becomes fact :D

j/k here...

decor

03-16-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Shimz

I do however, feel like she is putting more emphasis on "how am I going to live without him", than "where is he, what happened,how am i going to find him"... IMO [/*]

but so what. if that is who she is then that is who she is.
we all have things about us that others don't like. we all have our flaws as none of us are perfect.

so unless she has done something to Nick or she arranged with Nick to defraud she is guilty of nothing.
you can't charge a person with defect of personality, and if you could we would all be guilty.

Nellie

03-16-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Beth

NELLIE!!! Where is that quote coming from? I don't remember that!
TIA [/*]

Uh Oh...I might have caused some confusion.

I made up the quote to add to someone else's quotes of what she DIDN'T SAY! So so sorry for the confusion!

decor

03-16-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by isitme

You can tell from your experience and gut feeling when a man is a cheater. I think I can tell from my experiences and gut feeling when someone is being less than honest. [/*]

I can do that too, he was also a compulsive lier..

need2no

03-16-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Whoa... I don't believe this is an actual quote from Christine.... I think it's a what iffer.... This is how rumors start and an opinion becomes fact.

Yes, I have been around long enough to know if 3 people post it it becomes fact :D

j/k here... [/*]

You are right about that...I've seen it happen many times on the boards and sometimes it only takes one saying it for something to become a die hard fact. Then pages or days later posters start arguing over whether it was fact or not.

Sorry to read you have received nasty e-mails. I can't imagine why this would happen to you. :(