Saturday - 03/15/08 - a.m.

[baywench]

Originally posted by Jas.S


And she would have been instructed that if her water broke, call your doc and go to hosp. By both her physician and the birth instructor. [/*]

I am pretty sure neither one of them would tell her to leave a note, go to the ATM, buy a bus ticket....call the guy who raped you. IMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by baywench


I am pretty sure neither one of them would tell her to leave a note, go to the ATM, buy a bus ticket....call the guy who raped you. IMO [/*]

And if she was unsure, all she had to do was call Labor & Delivery or just show up. Goodness knows I did plenty of times.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


Cryme, I cannot answer but IMO I do think Maria DID have contact, I also think her Mom, although supportive, may have not told Maria what Maria wanted to hear. JMO I picture Maria on the phone with her Mom, as Mary reported saying she was having contractions. Mary said I will be there this weekend,
IMOP, Maria needed someone NOW! As she holds her stomache and perhaps her water breaks, I think Maria may have decided to do the Best she could do at that time. Trusting CL. Yes, I think she had been in touch with him even after the accusation of rape. I think she confronted CL and said HELP ME. I truly hope I am wrong in my opinion, but I believe he lured her by enticing her saying , "Yeah, I have some things for the baby, come over, lets drop the charges, I will help you if you help me, I have friends in Texas who will protect you and our baby. Grasping Straws, Sorry [/*]
If the convo went the way you mentioned with her mother, then her mother would have been lying about the convo she said she had with Maria that afternoon.

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by caejde


If she's holding her stomach and her water breaks, she should have gone to the hospital. I just don't see driving clear across town to get help. But that's just me. I know my water broke and I was ok. Was hurting but nothing unbearable. But the pain did get worse. And it was my 2nd so I knew what it would be like. This was Maria's first...and IMO she would have no idea the pain she would be in. [/*]

I so agree, just a scenario. I was thinking after speaking with her Mother, who originally stated Maria was persuring giving the baby up for adoption, that Maria threw the phone out of the car by the base gates and just called CL and told him to step up to the plate. She was supposedly having contractions when speaking with her Mom in Conn. ? I think, her M said she would be down by Sat. I can imagine Maria in distress, first preg. probably knowing what to expect, but until you experience that is another story as we all know. I was thinking, she may have just freaked and called CL and said, Hey Dude I am having your Kid, I need Help.
She had no place to go, Did She ? A bus ticket to no where?

I pray for her soul and her Childs :rose: Heartbreaking

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by baywench


I am pretty sure neither one of them would tell her to leave a note, go to the ATM, buy a bus ticket....call the guy who raped you. IMO [/*]

My water is all over my keyboard and screen now. Thanks Bay! :o

Did you have to type that?

NOW COME ON FOLKS....

Who really thinks they never talked to each other, but she decided to go see the man she accused of rape that day?:shrug:

I just can't go there and believe they had some kind of ongoing relationship even tho I would have thought NOT SO MUCH after the allegations.

But if we believe Uncle Pete, she tried to drop them the week before, right?:eek: Could that be why NCIS (IIRC) thought they had a friendly relationship toward the end?

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

If the convo went the way you mentioned with her mother, then her mother would have been lying about the convo she said she had with Maria that afternoon. [/*]

We do know that idea isn't exactly novel Ivy. :(

There isn't much I would put past Mary in the interest of making things look good and right for the outside world. JMO and the way I see her after watching more than a few of her videos.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


I believe that one, Cryme.

I am reading the thread backwards to catch up, so pls forgieve me if I am answering already answered. [/*]

ugh.. I really don't know why I am contributing to this conversation as it has been driving me a little bit crazy all afternoon reading people discuss this.

However... I think it was ...body/comforter/clothing and baby clothing/sheet.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


We do know that idea isn't exactly novel Ivy. :(

There isn't much I would put past Mary in the interest of making things look good and right for the outside world. JMO and the way I see her after watching more than a few of her videos. [/*]
Nah, not just the way you see it, so do I. Mary tried, without success IMO to whitwash alot of things she herself said.

[StickyBeak]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Hey, SB.

I say this with the utmost respect, but I do think that is grasping at straws.

All women who are pregnant and have an OB or attending physician, know that if they are in labor--and especially when your H20 breaks--you go to the hospital.

Why would her mother tell her I will be there this weekend?

Why would she need CL's help to go deliver the baby at her hospital, with her doctor? [/*]

OK, grasping at straws.

IIRC her Mom said she would see her on Sat. or over the weekend.

My point was perhaps after her conversation with her Mother, Maria may have been in a such alone situation, she just reached out to the only person she knew to Help her. There may be circumstances we are unaware of, JMO.

Just for ref: Childbirth, (my exp.) my water never broke. I waited for the big announcement but a little drib here, a little drib there, when I finally went to the hosp. They had a big ole stick to break the water, then I was into full Holy Samoley screaming mode.
Life is like a box of choclates, ya never know what your gonna get.

:)

[caejde]

Originally posted by StickyBeak


OK, grasping at straws.

IIRC her Mom said she would see her on Sat. or over the weekend.

My point was perhaps after her conversation with her Mother, Maria may have been in a such alone situation, she just reached out to the only person she knew to Help her. There may be circumstances we are unaware of, JMO.

Just for ref: Childbirth, (my exp.) my water never broke. I waited for the big announcement but a little drib here, a little drib there, when I finally went to the hosp. They had a big ole stick to break the water, then I was into full Holy Samoley screaming mode.
Life is like a box of choclates, ya never know what your gonna get.

:) [/*]

With my first my water broke while I was at the hospital. With second, it broke but not completely. Midwife finished breaking it. And once the water breaks, that is what jumpstarts labor. They can give you pitocin and such but when the water breaks, that really helps in speeding labor up.

Sorry, didn't mean to go O/T.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by CanCan


I've got just 2 words for you, Barbra -- Summer School!!

LOL J/K! [/*]

Oh wonderful, something to look forward to! Not!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


And you know this how?

Because they tested the evidence to see it they had accelerant?

Because there is not one indication we know about that shows that an accelerant was used. [/*]

Jas... with all due respect, she said JMO.

[caejde]

Ok, well I'm off for the night. See everyone tomorrow.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Jas... with all due respect, she said JMO. [/*]

I totally disagree with that one. She made a factual statement and then tried to slide in a little JMO.

She didn't say anything like "I THINK" or "I BELIEVE". There is a significant difference IMHO. :o

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Jas.S


If only whitewash worked on video... [/*]
:D You read my mind!

[baywench]

Originally posted by Jas.S
Well, it's feeling rather testy here. I shall retire for the night.

Good night, all. [/*]

Nite Jas. I'm out too.

[IvySterling]

Nite jas and bay!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I totally disagree with that one. She made a factual statement and then tried to slide in a little JMO.

She didn't say anything like "I THINK" or "I BELIEVE". There is a significant difference IMHO. :o [/*]

Whenever someone posts a speculation.. followed by JMO.. well, it is just their opinion. All of us do that. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I mean... all of us speculate daily on whether there was a rape, whether there was a relationship, blah, blah, blah...

But the ME is testing for accelerant.. to me, for someone to say that the accelerant was focused in one area or the other is just as viable an opinion as any of the others with regards to those topics.

JMO and all that jazz...

[damienstoy]

Just a question. Does anyone know if CSL and/or CAL golf? My BIL does, and some of his woods look to be about the right size and shape to make the sort of fracture pattern found on the left side of Maria's skull.

TIA

edited because I can't spell

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by damienstoy
Just a question. Does anyone know if CSL and/or CAL golf? My BIL does, and some of his woods look to be about the right size and shape to make the sort of fracture pattern found on the left side of Maria's skull.

TIA

edited because I can't spell [/*]

Ya never know, Damien. But my opinion, for what it's worth.. a golf club is not really a very good weapon in close circumstances...

But who knows...

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by damienstoy
Just a question. Does anyone know if CSL and/or CAL golf? My BIL does, and some of his woods look to be about the right size and shape to make the sort of fracture pattern found on the left side of Maria's skull.
TIA
edited because I can't spell [/*]
I for one have no idea damienstoy.

[Kel65]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


We do know that idea isn't exactly novel Ivy. :(

There isn't much I would put past Mary in the interest of making things look good and right for the outside world. JMO and the way I see her after watching more than a few of her videos. [/*]

I'm with you Candy. I know the type. I have a friend that comes to mind. Some of our friends will not have spoken to her in a while, but when they do, everything in her life and family is great according to what she tells them. I know this not to be true from things she has told me. I love her dearly, but she is just one of these type of people who wants everyone to think everything is just so. I'm one of the few people she confides in when thing aren't great, which is not infrequently.

Doesn't it seem odd that Mary hasn't mentioned her grandson who was born last year to Annie, her teenage daughter still in high school? She has had a daughter who has been pregnant out of wedlock before Maria, yet she makes it seem that Maria was the first and only up to this point. Makes you wonder why?

JMO

[CanCan]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


ugh.. I really don't know why I am contributing to this conversation as it has been driving me a little bit crazy all afternoon reading people discuss this.

However... I think it was ...body/comforter/clothing and baby clothing/sheet. [/*]

And I agree with you, gp.

jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
I mean... all of us speculate daily on whether there was a rape, whether there was a relationship, blah, blah, blah...

But the ME is testing for accelerant.. to me, for someone to say that the accelerant was focused in one area or the other is just as viable an opinion as any of the others with regards to those topics.

JMO and all that jazz... [/*]

I think the testing of accelerants would be normal protocol when a body is charred.

I don't think the testing on the comforter or clothing showed that accelerants were used though.

imoo

[Maka]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]


:eek:

Bless her...that's so awfully painful.

I hope whatever pain meds they give her work well.

If we have a sit in some day, we can all send vibes to CL and compel him to do something stupid and get caught. That's the best I can think of for now.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]

Oh that makes me hurt to even read it, GentleBreeze. I am so sorry she has had to go through that and I do hope she heals quickly.

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]

GB, I hope everything goes well for your daughter! I hope all of you get rested!

:rose:

[CanCan]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]

Oh, Dear Lord, GentleBreeze. What an ordeal.

I will continue to pray for healing and peace for your daughter, my dear. :rose:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]

(((((((you & your daughter)))))))

My Lord, what an ordeal.

:rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65


I'm with you Candy. I know the type. I have a friend that comes to mind. Some of our friends will not have spoken to her in a while, but when they do, everything in her life and family is great according to what she tells them. I know this not to be true from things she has told me. I love her dearly, but she is just one of these type of people who wants everyone to think everything is just so. I'm one of the few people she confides in when thing aren't great, which is not infrequently.

Doesn't it seem odd that Mary hasn't mentioned her grandson who was born last year to Annie, her teenage daughter still in high school? She has had a daughter who has been pregnant out of wedlock before Maria, yet she makes it seem that Maria was the first and only up to this point. Makes you wonder why?

JMO [/*]

Yes Kel, it saddens me deeply. I think much of what happened with Maria started right there March 17, 2007. I think when her little nephew was born, she was so excited and it seemed like a wonderful thing to have a little one dependent on you with unconditional love. That may be the first time Anne and Maria came to know unconditional love, but it must be forbidden fruit for those girls as not even a mention of the little guy. :(

I don't believe much Mary and Peter have to say because it's always self-serving in their passive-agressive way. Each time they speak, it has demeaned Maria and the circumstances of her early years and that burns right through me.

They seem to think by absolving themselves of any wrongdoing it changes what happened to Maria. IMO that isn't so, if they felt she was bipolar and sent her off to join the Marines, then it was a mistake, and the testing should have been done long before you sent your child off to the USMC IMO.

NEXT, the only way some of this story makes sense is if you were dealing with a behavior disorder or mental illness. The things we hear are illogical and when everything seems that way and nothing adds up, that's when you start looking inside to determine what made this person a victim and so easy to befall the hands of evil. The answers are there for those who choose to illuminate the path. When you try to deny what's in front of you, it's doing nothing to stop something like this from happening again.

ALL JMOOC.:patriot:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze
Well we just got home from the hospital. Our daughter had to have 53 stitches from the dog bites. Also plastic surgery will be needed later.

It has been a long day. Hospitals never get in a hurry about anything. They did sedate our doughier finally after she had been there some three hours. The wounds were horrible. They were gaping holes and within the gaping wound we could see the deep holes made by tfhe dogs incisors.

Guess no sighting or word about being closer to finding Laurean today. Hopefully tomorrow will bring better results.

imoo [/*]

Oh GB, I am so sorry to hear this. I went to bed praying and got up praying she was going to be okay. I can't imagine what it was like waiting for three hours with your baby girl caught in the fear and anxiety of what she witnessed with her eyes and her body. I know MommaOcean will be loving her child within as she begins the healing of those wounds.

I hope the dogs were able to confirm their shots too.

I am so sorry to hear this and will keep her actively in my prayers. Hang in there Momma. :(

[henry]

candykisses: i'm so glad you put JMOOC . . . 'cause after i read it . . . i'm shocked at the quantum leaps in assumptions . . . JMOO

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by henry
candykisses: i'm so glad you put JMOOC . . . 'cause after i read it . . . i'm shocked at the quantum leaps in assumptions . . . JMOO [/*]

Well, good, now you can lay your concerns to rest. JMOOC. :D

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Grey Goose


There isn't much YOU would put past Mary? What an offensive comment. Where is your compassion for this victim's Mother?

Mary Lauterbach revealed many private things in her email to the police so besides being a mean comment about Mary it is also factually wrong.

I don't think it helps the discussion of this case to constantly trash this family and I would please ask you to think how you would feel if this was your family before you post such things.

imo

For Maria, Gabriel and the Lauterbach family. :rose: [/*]

I have watched in VIDEO Mary try to rewrite history and and it's for no other reason than to remove any guilt she may feel as she does it. She tried to be honest and was castigated for doing so.

Mary and Peter want to blame Maria's constant calling on an attachment disorder that would go back to before she was nineteen months old because it makes them feel better than saying what they really thought was going on.

The public turned on them when Mary put it out there as she thought it to be and she suffered much criticism about sending a child like that off to the Marines if she suspected she was bipolar.

Here is a just a piece of that time.

"We suspect that she probably is BIPOLAR and she's had a lot of struggles through the years. She's been a real loner, hasn't had a lot of friends, but one thing is she's very attached to home and would call several times a day." spoken word of Mary Lauterbach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrHZgjx4Aw


I had a friend tell me she was watching the early videos yesterday and couldn't help but comment on the way things had changed. The things that had slowly been rewritten in this tragedy are out there in videos IMO.

I don't say this without a heavy heart. I married into a family with a MIL just like Mary even with reference to the looks. I have seen the damage done to the children who grow into adults under the wings of someone who thinks they are doing a good thing adopting them from within the family and how many times the story has to be told.

Gee, I can remember my own MIL sitting at the rehearsal dinner and describing the reason her and my FIL took my husband out of the environment he DOES NOT EVEN REMEMBER because he was two years old.

IF she suspected Maria was bipolar, looking to the structure of the military as a fix wasn't a good FIT IMO.

There's a difference between attacking her and stating my opinion based on what I have read and seen coupled with life experience.

Have a good day. ALL JMOOC.

:patriot: Still seeking justice for Maria and Gabriel.

[CANDYKISSES]

So GreyGoose, I put my own family in there and don't view it as a trashing, but rather as putting reality out there. I think that's what Mary tried to do in the beginning, but the stones were already coming.

See, even tho my MIL acted like that, when she would dial up for a photo-op with the grandchildren, I complied.

Once I knew what she was really like it was much easier to give her what she wanted and to make the stress less on my husband and kids too.

She liked being able to be honest after a while, it was just the ice breaking because she had never been able to talk about her issues outside of ANGER. We got past that long ago.

JMO again.

I didn't want to edit above and have you think I didn't put my family in right away.