Discussion - March 14th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

Thanks to those who provided the links last night. I'm still catching up and won't be able to watch the second interview until later when my household is awake. lol.

However, from reading the posts there was supposedly a comment made by the wife or question regarding what else can be done to find Nicholas.

Maybe we can come up with ideas. I brought up searching the water yesterday and I think this is a must. I also think sniffer dogs should be brought in again. Looking at places Nicholas MAY have gone to is another idea. Perhaps posters in the area can help with this.

Still praying and hoping Nicholas is safe and reunited with his children. :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

SeattleMatt transcribed this last night....Christine also mentions water so that is where I would begin the search...

Originally posted by seattlematt


Hey gang..... I got all excited and did a loose transcript of the interview.... other than some of the dialog and a few typo's it's pretty much all of her statements word for word.

Have fun disecting them.... I'm going out to my birthday dinner.

CF:
somebody knows something and i need to know what they know

[reporter saying things we already know... fingerprint analysis soon]


CF: he needs to call somebody and tell them that he is ok and

reporter: cf is convinced people in this area know what happened.... fingerprint analysis revaled soon.... for the sake of the couples 4 year old daugter and 2 year old son someone needs to speak out soon

CF: He needs to call somebody and tell them that he is OK so we know where {he..} to move on from. If he is not and somebody knows where he is they need to tell somebody so we can lay him to rest and say goodbye.... I don't want to say goodbye.

Reporter: She says with her husbands job benifts running out soon her family is close to filing for bankrupcy.

CF: Right now I have no way to pay my mortgage... no way to pay my bills

Reporter: She is convinced Nicholas may not come home again and she is confused by tormenting dream both of his life and his death.

CF: That i have have bad feeling that he is near water...now the other side of it somebody could say that he is sipping a margaretta in Mexico..... well... he could be... I don't know.

Reporter: And while this mystery of his disappeance continues, she is looking forward to august when she is going to have her third child. She says there isn't a shread of evidence pointing to any foul play. She doesn't believe he'd leave on his own she just wants everyone to keep looking in case they find him and they can have closure. [/*]

[n/t]

Gas stations was also brought up yesterday. Is there a favourite hang out for Art Directors or graphic designers?

[AJandTam]

:rose: For Nick.

Good Morning n/t and Rainy.

Just sitting over here shaking my head. I know ya'll know exactly what I am thinking. Oh my o my.

[invreporter1105]

I posted in yesterday's thread asking anyone who lives/works along some significant streets to PM me. Today, I add a few more to the list.

2nd Ave.-Seattle

W. Thomas St.- Seattle

Elliott Ave. W- Seattle

Highway 99 South between Elliott Ave. and Highway 590

Highway 590 between Highway 99 and Highway 518

Highway 518 between Highway 99 and South Center Parkway.

South Center Parkway to South 1800th St.

South 1800th St. from South Center Parkway and Costco Drive.

Thanks in advance. Please refer to my last post yesterday for the other streets.

[n/t]

Are there any wooded areas? Parks? Someone the other day mentioned homeless shelters.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
I was out most of the day yesterday. I spent a couple of hours trying to get caught up. Was not able to get through everything, but the bottom line is nothing new really. On multiple levels I could not understand the possibility of filing bankruptcy or letting the house go into forclosure. For now she is the head of the household and owes her children more than just giving up. Would she not try to get a job before taking these drastic measures. I have known PLENTY of pregnant women with children that have jobs. Definitely not an ideal situation, but it could keep a roof over her children's head. JMO [/*]

I agree. From what I understand her baby is due in October (the reporter said August) not sure if that was an error on his part. Maybe Christine or someone close to her can clarify.

With that said, I'll go with the October due date. So she's still in the early stages of her pregnancy and finding a job would not be difficult. An office job would be ideal so she wouldn't have to stay on her feet all day.

There are thousands of women raising children on their own who don't have a choice but to work and support their families.

Yesterday, I also mentioned his family and how surprised I am that they're not getting involved or not that we are aware of. Christine doesn't mention them so I wonder if they're being supportive. If they're helping out with the children and maybe with some of the financial obligations.

I know if I was in a similar situation, my family would be there for me.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by cteall
I am really thinking he is not in the area, with all the attention this case has received someone certainly would have seen something by now. I think somehow he made it out of state, quite possibly in someone else's vehicle as he knew he could not drive his own vehicle. From what I remember that condo complex was fairly close to the airport. [/*]

This is true. However, just to point it out, the condo is also close to Panther Lake, much closer than the airport. This is where I think any new search should take place.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
I am really thinking he is not in the area, with all the attention this case has received someone certainly would have seen something by now. I think somehow he made it out of state, quite possibly in someone else's vehicle as he knew he could not drive his own vehicle. From what I remember that condo complex was fairly close to the airport. [/*]

Wouldn't they have checked flight records though? If not, they should!

Good point.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


This is true. However, just to point it out, the condo is also close to Panther Lake, much closer than the airport. This is where I think any new search should take place. [/*]

Thanks for answering a question I didn't ask - I don't know about any of the geography in that area. Since water seems to be a concern and is close to the condos, then I would definitely start there.

::waving hi to Tammy:: :seeya:

[n/t]

Any border crossings into Mexico or Canada should also be checked.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
I am really surprised the lakes have not been checked out yet, usally this is one of the first places that is checked. It makes me wonder if LE knows something we don't know, it's hard for me to believe this is just an error of the part of LE. [/*]

Especially if the wife thinks he's near water??

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by cteall
I am really surprised the lakes have not been checked out yet, usally this is one of the first places that is checked. It makes me wonder if LE knows something we don't know, it's hard for me to believe this is just an error of the part of LE. [/*]

I don't understand why a lot of things have not been done in this case. It makes me sad that a vibrant accomplished 28 year old man can disappear, and from what we know some posters were put up and some areas canvassed and some of those by non LE.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I don't understand why a lot of things have not been done in this case. It makes me sad that a vibrant accomplished 28 year old man can disappear, and from what we know some posters were put up and some areas canvassed and some of those by non LE. [/*]

I don't either, Rainy. How can they scale back when they haven't even started yet? Not sure what the protocols are for finding a missing person but I would guess because there is no evidence of foul play, they assume he just took off???? Didn't they say early on that they weren't ruling out foul play? Did something happen in the interim to lead them to believe he left voluntarily?


:shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't either, Rainy. How can they scale back when they haven't even started yet? Not sure what the protocols are for finding a missing person but I would guess because there is no evidence of foul play, they assume he just took off???? Didn't they say early on that they weren't ruling out foul play? Did something happen in the interim to lead them to believe he left voluntarily?


:shrug: [/*]

Gonna answer both you and Cteall - if every LE agency was this laid back over a missing person, chalking it up to maybe they left, there would be a heck of a lot of lawsuits. People depend on LE for help - they have the resources where we as individuals do not, and if they don't, they can bring in other agencies like TES with a proven track record. To go on vacation two weeks into a disappearance and scale back without ever having really done anything to begin with, looks irresponsible and inept. JMO.

[invreporter1105]

JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by isitme
She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by cteall
Hi Invreporter.....I just keep going back to the dead cell phone as a big clue, but everything here in this case is so confusing. It has been well documented that he is a loving and caring husband and father. I can't understand how someone like that knowing he had two toddlers and a pregnant wife at home would allow his cell phone to go dead with no way to charge it. Is not as if it happened kinda suddenly, he had plenty of time to tell his co-workers it was dead. I would think knowing his home situation and the fact that he is so tech savey he would make sure he was always able to use his cell phone, if nothing else than to always have a car charger in the glove box in case his wife had a home emergency she needed to contact him for. JMO [/*]

IDK. Maybe he was in a hurry that particular morning and didn't even plug the cell into a charger. Possibly.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t
Gas stations was also brought up yesterday. Is there a favourite hang out for Art Directors or graphic designers? [/*]

Good Morning n/t and everyone :seeya:

There was that meetup site that I linked the other day. They held actual meetings. The message that was left on that site said that Nicholas belonged to the web design community, I took it to believe that he belonged to one of the online groups. The only thing is, I can't seem to find him on that site. :shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO [/*]

Even though LE said it could go either way - foul play or walking away, we have been unsuccessful in trying to discuss his leaving in a productive manner. IMO

[huskiki]

Originally posted by cteall
I was out most of the day yesterday. I spent a couple of hours trying to get caught up. Was not able to get through everything, but the bottom line is nothing new really. On multiple levels I could not understand the possibility of filing bankruptcy or letting the house go into forclosure. For now she is the head of the household and owes her children more than just giving up. Would she not try to get a job before taking these drastic measures. I have known PLENTY of pregnant women with children that have jobs. Definitely not an ideal situation, but it could keep a roof over her children's head. JMO [/*]

I suggested her getting a job a week or so ago and was almost beheaded. Get a job? :eek: People couldn't believe that I suggested such a thing, her husband is missing. Of course I didn't mean right away but down the road if Nicholas didn't return. You can't depend on other people, there needs to be some degree of personal responsibility. Christine is a very talented woman and I would think she could be very successful.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


I suggested her getting a job a week or so ago and was almost beheaded. Get a job? :eek: People couldn't believe that I suggested such a thing, her husband is missing. Of course I didn't mean right away but down the road if Nicholas didn't return. You can't depend on other people, there needs to be some degree of personal responsibility. Christine is a very talented woman and I would think she could be very successful. [/*]

LOL at beheaded - yep you really have to choose your words carefully where certain things are concerned.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Gonna answer both you and Cteall - if every LE agency was this laid back over a missing person, chalking it up to maybe they left, there would be a heck of a lot of lawsuits. People depend on LE for help - they have the resources where we as individuals do not, and if they don't, they can bring in other agencies like TES with a proven track record. To go on vacation two weeks into a disappearance and scale back without ever having really done anything to begin with, looks irresponsible and inept. JMO. [/*]

Hi Rainy :seeya:

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Rainy :seeya:

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

Apparently so. Christine said the evidence from the car would not be revealed until whoever returned from vacation. This would have to mean the LE.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Rainy :seeya:

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

I thought it was the detective because Christine referenced him being gone and the fingerprint analysis being available when he got back.

We don't know what they found with the cell phone records do we? Has that been brought forth?

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Rainy :seeya:

You're right, can you imagine if all missing person cases were treated this way? This is why I believe that LE is holding on to information that we don't know about. From what we know they don't have many leads and that would explain why they aren't as active but who knows what's going on behind the scenes.

I thought it was the PI who was on holiday. Was it actually the officer assigned to the case? [/*]

Yes, it was the officer assigned to the case and not the PI. Haven't heard anything about the PI since it was first mentioned.


Hiya! :seeya:

[mc528]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Originally posted by isitme
She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is? [/*]


dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO [/*]

Hi invreporter :seeya:

From the outside looking in we all are wondering why this man would up and leave his family, friends and job. The fact remains that this happens to "normal" people all the time.

He has a beautiful family. He has a good job. He has friends who speak highly of him. Why leave?

Then I think that ...he's 28 years old. He has been with Christine for about 10 years, so he was very young when they met. He married young and now has his 3rd child on the way. Young marriages seldom work these days. It's a lot of responsibility, the house, a wife, children. He also seemed to enjoy time with his friends (from the pics we have seen), maybe he wasn't getting enough time for himself. We all need time to ourselves to keep us sane.

I much prefer that he walked out scenario over the foul play scenario, he would be a great loss to many people. Can't rule anything out though.

[n/t]

Originally posted by mc528



dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM [/*]

Can you send it to me too please. TIA!

[Shelby1]

Good morning everyone!

Thanks for posting the interviews on the links thread.

[huskiki]

Thank you guys for straightening me out on the PI/LE holiday. I couldn't remember, there's so much (other) info that contradicts itself, it's hard to keep things straight.

[n/t]

I was searching for top 10 causes of stress in men but only came across this site. I'm at work so unfortunately don't have the time to look further.

This is for women. I wonder if it's the same for men. If not, what would be different.

TOP TEN CAUSES OF STRESS

1 Work

2 Children

3 Money

4 Relationships

5 Worries about the future

6 Appearance

7 Home/property

8 Parents

9 Friends

10 Car



http://blog.thewestminsterpractice.com/stress-causes-hair-loss-in-women/

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi invreporter :seeya:

From the outside looking in we all are wondering why this man would up and leave his family, friends and job. The fact remains that this happens to "normal" people all the time.

He has a beautiful family. He has a good job. He has friends who speak highly of him. Why leave?

Then I think that ...he's 28 years old. He has been with Christine for about 10 years, so he was very young when they met. He married young and now has his 3rd child on the way. Young marriages seldom work these days. It's a lot of responsibility, the house, a wife, children. He also seemed to enjoy time with his friends (from the pics we have seen), maybe he wasn't getting enough time for himself. We all need time to ourselves to keep us sane.

I much prefer that he walked out scenario over the foul play scenario, he would be a great loss to many people. Can't rule anything out though. [/*]

Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?"

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?" [/*]

That is the part I have a hard time with also. Even if he wanted to leave Christine, I can't fathom he would leave his children. Then you run into we only have her word that he was supposed to do that. I have said this several times but will say it again - I do not know why I can't fathom this - it happened in my family to my older sister years ago. Beautiful couple, church-going, a two year old baby - getting ready to go shopping. He left to go to the store and never came back. He went to his girlfriends.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Hi, huskiki.

The majority of people seem to believe that Nicholas just walked away.

If he were leaving for a break, vacation, mistress, etc, why would he not tell Christine in the first place. Why would he leave so many unanswered questions behind? I don't think he would want his kids going to bed at night wondering, "Where is my daddy who was suppose to be home to bake cookies with me?" [/*]

Why would he tell her? I would think that if he got to that point, where he couldn't take it any more, then I don't think he is even thinking about anybody else. It could be because he feels like he's letting his family down, he could be depressed. If he has a mistress, why would he tell her? I think he knows what that Christine wouldn't be able to handle that. I really can't explain the kids, I can't see how anyone could walk away from their kids but I've seen it happen.

We don't know what his state of mind was on Feb 13th. :shrug:

[mc528]

Originally posted by n/t


Can you send it to me too please. TIA! [/*]


Sent it :)

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by huskiki


Why would he tell her? I would think that if he got to that point, where he couldn't take it any more, then I don't think he is even thinking about anybody else. It could be because he feels like he's letting his family down, he could be depressed. If he has a mistress, why would he tell her? I think he knows what that Christine wouldn't be able to handle that. I really can't explain the kids, I can't see how anyone could walk away from their kids but I've seen it happen.

We don't know what his state of mind was on Feb 13th. :shrug: [/*]

I see your point. I just happen to believe Christine for reasons I can't explain here. I truly believe she and her husband had a good marriage.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by mc528



dianaelaine - I sent it to you in a PM [/*]

Got it .. thank you.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


I see your point. I just happen to believe Christine for reasons I can't explain here. I truly believe she and her husband had a good marriage. [/*]

I can respect that. They very well could have had a good marriage, they looked like a very happy family.

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
Not sure why that would be such a sensitive subject. Many of us have jobs and it is not just to get out of the house or kill time, it is because we need the income to support ourselves and/or our familes. I would think working would be a better option then my children not having a roof over their heads....but that is strictly my opinion. Also, what about state assistance at this point? I am sure Washington and/or Federal Gov't has programs to assist people with limited resources that are in dire need, especially when the breadwinner of the family is a documented Missing Person.

[/*]

Mortgage insurance was also mentioned last night. Maybe Christine should look at that to see if they had insurance and the clauses.

Who knows, maybe one of the clauses covers Missing Persons and she won't have to worry about her mortgage payments. :shrug:

I think her panic about finances is premature. Get all the information available, she said she would consult with a financial adviser, go online and check out all the resources. I'm sure there are others who are in similar situations. Maybe consult with a lawyer too.

[isitme]

Originally posted by isitme
She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is?


**************************************************

Here it is

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

Scroll down to posts 209 & 210

[mc528]

It appears NF's freelance business must have been doing extremely well. I wonder if all of customers from that business have been contacted. Maybe one of them could shed some light on his disappearance - did he have deliverables that weren't met? Maybe references given for other business that should be checked out. MOO

[carterkatt]

About CF getting a job... I hired my present secretary last Sept, knowing she was pregnant (with twins!). I took the chance that she would come back after the births (she did) and that the negatives (having to train a temp, etc when she was out, etc) would outweigh the positives - that she was going to be an asset to me, which she is!

Surely other employers will feel the same.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
JMO-

I have a hard time drawing a conclusion that Nicholas went missing by choice. No credit card or bank account activity, no missing funds, no cell activity, his co-workers found nothing odd about his behavior on Feb. 13, etc.

It was just another day. He went to work, talked to his wife on the phone, planned an evening activity with his family, etc.

Yeah, one could argue that he muttled through his normal routine to throw people off track, but why?

Why would a loving husband and father just up and run off for no apparent reason?

I don't buy it.

JMO [/*]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Saying there was no missing funds - we're not so sure on that one - Christine stated herself when she opened Nicholas's PayPal account she was surprised what she seen - so that seems to say he didn't have what she thought he had in that account??

[Nellie]

Originally posted by isitme
Originally posted by isitme
She has elaborated on some of the points in todays interviews on her support site. [/*]



Can you say which site that is?


**************************************************

Here it is

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

Scroll down to posts 209 & 210 [/*]

That was sure interesting....

[mc528]

Originally posted by Danette44


Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Saying there was no missing funds - we're not so sure on that one - Christine stated herself when she opened Nicholas's PayPal account she was surprised what she seen - so that seems to say he didn't have what she thought he had in that account?? [/*]


I'm not familiar with the freelance graphics design business. Does anyone know if his was primarily an internet only business, which would then make sense that he would be paid via PayPal, or whether it was primarily for local customers (who would likely, IMO, not pay him via PayPal)?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Nellie


That was sure interesting.... [/*]



Yes, it was. It answered some of my questions.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by carterkatt
About CF getting a job... I hired my present secretary last Sept, knowing she was pregnant (with twins!). I took the chance that she would come back after the births (she did) and that the negatives (having to train a temp, etc when she was out, etc) would outweigh the positives - that she was going to be an asset to me, which she is!

Surely other employers will feel the same. [/*]

I think a lot of employers view pregnancy differently these days. We've come a long way baby!

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by Danette44


Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Saying there was no missing funds - we're not so sure on that one - Christine stated herself when she opened Nicholas's PayPal account she was surprised what she seen - so that seems to say he didn't have what she thought he had in that account?? [/*]

The only way Nicholas could have received funds from the PayPal account would be through their personal bank account, which can be traced.

[mc528]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


The only way Nicholas could have received funds from the PayPal account would be through their personal bank account, which can be traced. [/*]


He may have another bank account tied to his PayPal account, that she didn't know about until she logged into his account and looked at the settings for available funding options, etc. Not saying this is the case, but just pointing out a possibility of how he would access the funds there without CF immediately knowing it. JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


The only way Nicholas could have received funds from the PayPal account would be through their personal bank account, which can be traced. [/*]

If he had planed this he could have taken money out a bit at a time :shrug:

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528




Yes, it was. It answered some of my questions. [/*]

What questions did it answer for you? Care to share?

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by mc528



He may have another bank account tied to his PayPal account, that she didn't know about until she logged into his account and looked at the settings for available funding options, etc. Not saying this is the case, but just pointing out a possibility of how he would access the funds there without CF immediately knowing it. JMO [/*]

True. But I think she would make that finding known.

JMO

[Danette44]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


The only way Nicholas could have received funds from the PayPal account would be through their personal bank account, which can be traced. [/*]

I'm just explaining in the very begining of Nicolas's dissapearance she made it known she was surprised to see what she did and surprised she remembered his password, I don't deal with paypal so I wouldn't know, she is the one stated this information. Made us believe perhaps Nicolas took money out without her knowing it. moo

[decor]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


The only way Nicholas could have received funds from the PayPal account would be through their personal bank account, which can be traced. [/*]

If he has a PP debit card he could have gotten it out that way without going thru the bank

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by decor


If he has a PP debit card he could have gotten it out that way without going thru the bank [/*]

Yes, but the debits would appear on the PayPal account summary. He would even be revealing his location. Christine said that he had no credit cards on him. I am assuming she was including any card that could be tracked.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Yes, but the debits would appear on the PayPal account summary. He would even be revealing his location. Christine said that he had no credit cards on him. I am assuming she was including any card that could be tracked. [/*]

She said he had no cash or credit card, so we assumed he had at least had a debit card, or he could not have bought sugar.

[decor]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


Yes, but the debits would appear on the PayPal account summary. He would even be revealing his location. Christine said that he had no credit cards on him. I am assuming she was including any card that could be tracked. [/*]

maybe he had some of his clients send him checks or money orders.

[invreporter1105]

Sorry, double post.

[huskiki]

On the layoffs ...I'm just thinking out loud here. If he signed off on a severance package he wouldn't have received it that day. There's usually a process that must take place by HR and payroll. Also it's usually given as a live check and not direct deposited, that's been my experience but that was a while ago so things could have changed. It would have to be a decent package and usually is combined with a retention bonus if they need you to stay on for say 3 or 6 months. I've been getting laid off since 2000, it's been profitable :D

[mc528]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She said he had no cash or credit card, so we assumed he had at least had a debit card, or he could not have bought sugar. [/*]


It also is very possible that he had cards, credit or debit, that CF may not have known about - at least not immediately at the time of his disappearance. Just a possibility, not a fact. MOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by mc528



It also is very possible that he had cards, credit or debit, that CF may not have known about - at least not immediately at the time of his disappearance. Just a possibility, not a fact. MOO [/*]

True - he would have to had something in order to go to the store.

[invreporter1105]

Originally posted by mc528



It also is very possible that he had cards, credit or debit, that CF may not have known about - at least not immediately at the time of his disappearance. Just a possibility, not a fact. MOO [/*]

That is a good possibility. My only point was that Christine could have seen activity on the PayPal debit card.

Another scenario is that he could have sent money from their PayPal account to another PayPal account that Christine wasn't aware of. He then could have had those funds withdrawn to an unknown bank account.

[Nellie]

Ok, it sounds like the donations have paid the mortgage.
He's still getting his paychecks from Publicis, so they must have paid all of the other bills.
Am I understanding this correctly?
So, this man's job at Publicis did not cover the mortgage?
Did he make more at his side job than his Publicis job?
So that would be a lot of pressure to think that his side job provided that much of their support.

[sarahhod]

Registered: Oct 2007
Location: London UK
Posts: 10
O/T - But had to let you all know that Shannon Matthews has been found alive!! Never give up hope because you never know.

BREAKING NEWS!THEY HAVE FOUND HER - SHES ALIVE[/*]


OMG! OMG![/*]


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...1309334,00.html



i am so happy. This fantastic news has made my week!!!

[mc528]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


That is a good possibility. My only point was that Christine could have seen activity on the PayPal debit card.

Another scenario is that he could have sent money from their PayPal account to another PayPal account that Christine wasn't aware of. He then could have had those funds withdrawn to an unknown bank account. [/*]



Yes, or even could have been transferring money to another bank account and then access it with a debit card for that account. Unless CF regularly checked NF's PayPal account, which from earlier statements that she made, she did not appear to have been doing that, she may have been totally unaware that this was happening. Not at all saying this was the case, but it would be very easy to accomplish if a PayPal account were not monitored very regularly. MOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


That is a good possibility. My only point was that Christine could have seen activity on the PayPal debit card.

Another scenario is that he could have sent money from their PayPal account to another PayPal account that Christine wasn't aware of. He then could have had those funds withdrawn to an unknown bank account. [/*]

With the scenario you described above, it would fit with what Christine said about there not being as much in his Paypal account as she thought there would be.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by invreporter1105


That is a good possibility. My only point was that Christine could have seen activity on the PayPal debit card.

Another scenario is that he could have sent money from their PayPal account to another PayPal account that Christine wasn't aware of. He then could have had those funds withdrawn to an unknown bank account. [/*]


Given Nicholas' experience with the internet I think it's safe to assume that he would know how to set up accounts without Christine finding out about it.

Now I'm going back to the layoffs and severance package scenario. If the times have changed and final paychecks are being direct deposited then that could be how he's supporting himself right now. IF he's alive of course. It would have to be a decent amount considering how long he had been with the company.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



Given Nicholas' experience with the internet I think it's safe to assume that he would know how to set up accounts without Christine finding out about it.

Now I'm going back to the layoffs and severance package scenario. If the times have changed and final paychecks are being direct deposited then that could be how he's supporting himself right now. IF he's alive of course. It would have to be a decent amount considering how long he had been with the company. [/*]

But if it was being direct deposted, his employer would know the bank which it was being deposited into.

[Nellie]

Here's a thought....

Christine had said that he had been shielding her from some debt and she discovered that by looking at his Pay Pal account.

His Pay Pal account, if I understand correctly, was like his "second paycheck". She says they needed that "second paycheck" to make ends meet.

What if his business wasn't doing as well as he had portrayed it to her and looking at his Pay Pal account was very telling of that.....not much in payments and not much of a balance left in it. So, basically, no "second paycheck" and that's what sent her into a panic about the debt. And he was "sheilding" her from knowing that business was not good.

Honestly, it sounds to me like they were having financial problems before he dissappeared and it would be a lot of pressure to count on that "second paycheck" and it not be so good. Could it have been enough to stress Nicholas out enough to just leave it all? I don't know......

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by sarahhod
Registered: Oct 2007
Location: London UK
Posts: 10
O/T - But had to let you all know that Shannon Matthews has been found alive!! Never give up hope because you never know.

BREAKING NEWS!THEY HAVE FOUND HER - SHES ALIVE[/*]


OMG! OMG![/*]


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...1309334,00.html



i am so happy. This fantastic news has made my week!!! [/*]

the link does not work for me

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


But if it was being direct deposted, his employer would know the bank which it was being deposited into. [/*]

True. sigh

[decor]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


the link does not work for me [/*]


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=533944&in_page_id=1770&ct=5

[sarahhod]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


the link does not work for me [/*]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1309334,00.html

Sorry Katie. This should work.

[mc528]

Originally posted by huskiki
On the layoffs ...I'm just thinking out loud here. If he signed off on a severance package he wouldn't have received it that day. There's usually a process that must take place by HR and payroll. Also it's usually given as a live check and not direct deposited, that's been my experience but that was a while ago so things could have changed. It would have to be a decent package and usually is combined with a retention bonus if they need you to stay on for say 3 or 6 months. I've been getting laid off since 2000, it's been profitable :D [/*]


It's a good theory, but it really doesn't fit with the admission that Publicis was continuing his paychecks. IMO But I agree, retention bonuses can be quite profitable...I made the downpayment on my house with one of mine a few years ago. :)

[figritout]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


That is the part I have a hard time with also. Even if he wanted to leave Christine, I can't fathom he would leave his children. Then you run into we only have her word that he was supposed to do that. I have said this several times but will say it again - I do not know why I can't fathom this - it happened in my family to my older sister years ago. Beautiful couple, church-going, a two year old baby - getting ready to go shopping. He left to go to the store and never came back. He went to his girlfriends. [/*]

Did he tell his wife where he was right away or hide out for awhile. I know this a personal question but just wondering?

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Beth
Go ahead and bash me now. What I see in that new post is "no, I'm not asking for donations from you, only prayers".

Then I see "it is because of your help I was able to pay March and April's mortgage".

Then I see "i have 3 wishes, find Nicholas, save the house and avoid bankruptcy." (Something like that)

Excuse me but how many homeowners have already paid April's mortgage? I wish I were in that position.

Sounds like gimme more money to me. [/*]

No kidding! I'd love to be a month ahead in my mortgage! But, in all fairness, she may not have a paycheck coming in from NF's job in a month. But, that's got to feel good knowing that she's ahead of that bill.

[n/t]

Originally posted by sarahhod
Registered: Oct 2007
Location: London UK
Posts: 10
O/T - But had to let you all know that Shannon Matthews has been found alive!! Never give up hope because you never know.

BREAKING NEWS!THEY HAVE FOUND HER - SHES ALIVE[/*]


OMG! OMG![/*]


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...1309334,00.html



i am so happy. This fantastic news has made my week!!! [/*]


Thank you for the news!! Thank God she's alive. Going to read the link now. :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=533944&in_page_id=1770&ct=5 [/*]

Thank you - I just wish LE in Seattle was as diligent.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by figritout


Did he tell his wife where he was right away or hide out for awhile. I know this a personal question but just wondering? [/*]

He hid out.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Beth
Go ahead and bash me now. What I see in that new post is "no, I'm not asking for donations from you, only prayers".

Then I see "it is because of your help I was able to pay March and April's mortgage".

Then I see "i have 3 wishes, find Nicholas, save the house and avoid bankruptcy." (Something like that)

Excuse me but how many homeowners have already paid April's mortgage? I wish I were in that position.

Sounds like gimme more money to me. [/*]

She's never asked for money, remember?......

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's a thought....

Christine had said that he had been shielding her from some debt and she discovered that by looking at his Pay Pal account.

His Pay Pal account, if I understand correctly, was like his "second paycheck". She says they needed that "second paycheck" to make ends meet.

What if his business wasn't doing as well as he had portrayed it to her and looking at his Pay Pal account was very telling of that.....not much in payments and not much of a balance left in it. So, basically, no "second paycheck" and that's what sent her into a panic about the debt. And he was "sheilding" her from knowing that business was not good.

Honestly, it sounds to me like they were having financial problems before he dissappeared and it would be a lot of pressure to count on that "second paycheck" and it not be so good. Could it have been enough to stress Nicholas out enough to just leave it all? I don't know...... [/*]

Top 3 stresses.

Job

Children

Money


I would have to say, if what has been reported about the finances is true, it is quite possible he left because of money or lack thereof. His job may not have brought in enough and of course, he has 2 children and another on the way.

[seattlematt]

from the supporting christine blog:

"If i walk away from the house and avoid foreclosure that will be better for my credit and I could walk away with some of the donation money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills."


I don't want to be slammed for taking things out of context... but maybe this is a similar reason the NF would have walked away.

Part of a bigger plan for both of them to walk away and start fresh? (and maybe meet up again)?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by sarahhod
Registered: Oct 2007
Location: London UK
Posts: 10
O/T - But had to let you all know that Shannon Matthews has been found alive!! Never give up hope because you never know.

BREAKING NEWS!THEY HAVE FOUND HER - SHES ALIVE[/*]


OMG! OMG![/*]


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...1309334,00.html



i am so happy. This fantastic news has made my week!!! [/*]

That is great news!!!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by seattlematt
from the supporting christine blog:

"If i walk away from the house and avoid foreclosure that will be better for my credit and I could walk away with some of the donation money that hasn’t been already used for the mortgage and bills."


I don't want to be slammed for taking things out of context... but maybe this is a similar reason the NF would have walked away.

Part of a bigger plan for both of them to walk away and start fresh? (and maybe meet up again)? [/*]

I can't say it hasn't crossed my mind.
Walk away from the house responsibility.
Walk away from the bills....with bankruptcy.
Walk away with money in your pocket, left over from contributions.
Walk away with credit in tact (I'm not sure how that happens with losing your house and bankruptcy though, but C seems to think it happens)
Start a new life elsewhere.

Strangers things have happened......

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by decor



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=533944&in_page_id=1770&ct=5 [/*]

Thank you :seeya: Such good news!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528



It's a good theory, but it really doesn't fit with the admission that Publicis was continuing his paychecks. IMO But I agree, retention bonuses can be quite profitable...I made the downpayment on my house with one of mine a few years ago. :) [/*]

Unless he wasn't laid off yet. Back in 2000 I got papers stating that I would receive severance and was in the process of being laid off. Only they still needed me for 6 more months so I was still on payroll. I don't know, I'm reaching for anything at this point.

Retention bonus' are great, just wish they weren't taxed so high.

[sarahhod]

Originally posted by huskiki


That is great news!!! [/*]

Thank you huskiki, yes it is, never before has a child been found alive in the UK that has been abducted.

BTW I have read every post on NF and do have some thoughts but not sure whether to post due to the adversity of some posters here but most of you are doing a fantastic job here and i just want to say a big thank you to all of you who care so much, and i pray Nicholas will be found soon.

Sarah

For Nicholas :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sarahhod


Thank you huskiki, yes it is, never before has a child been found alive in the UK that has been abducted.

BTW I have read every post on NF and do have some thoughts but not sure whether to post due to the adversity of some posters here but most of you are doing a fantastic job here and i just want to say a big thank you to all of you who care so much, and i pray Nicholas will be found soon.

Sarah

For Nicholas :rose: [/*]

What a sweet post - at least someone recognizes that we are earnestly trying to help in any way possible, whether it be deemed ridiculous or silly by others.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Has anyone forgotten what time of year it is?

Well, it's TAX TIME in the US and most people are busy filing and worrying about taxes.

People who have their own business, the self employed have a tough time with taxes. Depending on how much they make a year, determines how they make payments.

For people who have small businesses, they pay their taxes at the end of the year. This also includes the Social Security tax and they must pay the full amount.

Business owners must set aside money each month just like a person who is employed has deductions out of is paycheck. If a business is not all that profitable, people tend to use that money to stay afloat. Come tax time, they are hurting because that money set aside for taxes has been spent.

Even if a business is failing but still generating income and no tax is due on that income, that business owner is still liable for any social security tax on whatever cash flow that IS coming through.

This information adds just one more element to think about why someone would go missing. [/*]

Quite true - They had what - three or four different small businesses?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Has anyone forgotten what time of year it is?

Well, it's TAX TIME in the US and most people are busy filing and worrying about taxes.

People who have their own business, the self employed have a tough time with taxes. Depending on how much they make a year, determines how they make payments.

For people who have small businesses, they pay their taxes at the end of the year. This also includes the Social Security tax and they must pay the full amount.

Business owners must set aside money each month just like a person who is employed has deductions out of is paycheck. If a business is not all that profitable, people tend to use that money to stay afloat. Come tax time, they are hurting because that money set aside for taxes has been spent.

Even if a business is failing but still generating income and no tax is due on that income, that business owner is still liable for any social security tax on whatever cash flow that IS coming through.

This information adds just one more element to think about why someone would go missing. [/*]


Yes, very true. If there was a paper profit, than Self Employment taxes would need to be paid. From what it sounds like, NF's free-lance business was very successful.....now whether it turned out to be on paper after deductions would be a different story (and likely CF's businesses may have been a loss that could off-set that income if they filed jointly). But an added expense like taxes due could definitely be a stressing factor. The IRS does take payments though, so that could have been an option. JMO

[huskiki]

Originally posted by sarahhod


Thank you huskiki, yes it is, never before has a child been found alive in the UK that has been abducted.

BTW I have read every post on NF and do have some thoughts but not sure whether to post due to the adversity of some posters here but most of you are doing a fantastic job here and i just want to say a big thank you to all of you who care so much, and i pray Nicholas will be found soon.

Sarah

For Nicholas :rose: [/*]

Thank You Sarah! I was surprised to hear that's the first time a child has been found alive that was abducted. Sad the way the world is these days.

I'm gald to hear that you're following Nicholas' case. Sometimes the boards take a bad turn but I think most of us here truly hope that Nicholas is found safe and can be returned to his family. If you would like to talk about the case you can always PM :)

[seattlematt]

Originally posted by Nellie


I can't say it hasn't crossed my mind.
Walk away from the house responsibility.
Walk away from the bills....with bankruptcy.
Walk away with money in your pocket, left over from contributions.
Walk away with credit in tact (I'm not sure how that happens with losing your house and bankruptcy though, but C seems to think it happens)
Start a new life elsewhere.

Strangers things have happened...... [/*]

http://www.walkawayplan.com/?gclid=CKSX-K_2jJICFR37iAod12u_cQ

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by sarahhod
Registered: Oct 2007
Location: London UK
Posts: 10
O/T - But had to let you all know that Shannon Matthews has been found alive!! Never give up hope because you never know.

BREAKING NEWS!THEY HAVE FOUND HER - SHES ALIVE[/*]


OMG! OMG![/*]


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...1309334,00.html



i am so happy. This fantastic news has made my week!!! [/*]

That's awesome!!!!
I'm running over to look!
I started that thread.
I didn't think it looked good at all.
Yay!!!!!
Come on Nick!!! You're next baby!!!!!

[SeattleEddie]

It's very odd that except for two brief appearances in the very early days, the parents and families are absent. I can think of a few cases where parents of missing young adults were very prominent in the press. (as I would be if my 30-yr. old daughter were missing!)

I started thinking about that when I happened to hear a story on public radio yesterday about people who have gone missing in the Philippines for political reasons. And I seem to recall that his father is from there.

It is possible that he went to the Philippines if he has family connections there.

[sarahhod]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


What a sweet post - at least someone recognizes that we are earnestly trying to help in any way possible, whether it be deemed ridiculous or silly by others. [/*]

Thank you Rainy. You never know, it may be that this case turns out similar to Shannon. A 39 yr old extended family member has been arrested!!

[SHinS]

If they were(and are) in such financial crisis I would guess having another baby would be out of the question, at least until they get their finances back on track, no?
Makes no sense...IMO


The reporter said CF is due in august? I thought it was october...


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5432896

[huskiki]

Originally posted by seattlematt


http://www.walkawayplan.com/?gclid=CKSX-K_2jJICFR37iAod12u_cQ [/*]


I've been hearing a lot about people walking away from their houses these days. How is that any different than forclosure other than you're doing it on your terms? I don't get it. And whatever happened to personal responsibility??? I'm not referring to Christine here, I'm talking about the rest of the people in the country. At least Christine has a good reason for not being able to keep up with her mortgage until she lands on her feet. What about the rest of these people? I don't know, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. If it came down to it I would get a second job or try to sell the house, even at a loss.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Re: the IRS takes payments.

Yes and no, depending on what the history has been for the business. Sometimes, they close the business down and take their assets or worse. [/*]


True, I guess it would depend if the filing was as a Sole Proprietor (Schedule C on a 1040) or as a corporation. For some reason I had been thinking that all of CF's and NF's businesses were likely filed on Schedule C's (if they were even reported)....but they could very well have been filing each of them as their own corporation or partnerships. (the business filing....on a 1206 (if I remember the form right)) JMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
It's very odd that except for two brief appearances in the very early days, the parents and families are absent. I can think of a few cases where parents of missing young adults were very prominent in the press. (as I would be if my 30-yr. old daughter were missing!)

I started thinking about that when I happened to hear a story on public radio yesterday about people who have gone missing in the Philippines for political reasons. And I seem to recall that his father is from there.

It is possible that he went to the Philippines if he has family connections there. [/*]

I am sure that LE have checked if his Passport has been used...if he has one

[isitme]

I have spent hours here trying to help. My DH knew about NF being missing from the first time I knew it but we never discussed it beyond that initial conversation. Fast forward to last night and he asked what I was doing and I told him I was catching up on the case. He then wanted to know more about it. My response to him was "let me tell you what is known and you tell me what you think". I gave him a run down from start to that moment and tried VERY HARD to keep it just a list of what we here knew thus far. His assessment is that there is something terribly wrong with this case. He came up with a couple of theories as to what MAY BE going on - nothing that hasn't been mentioned here before. He expressed concern that if the information we have is all of the information that LE has then their is efforts would be at a standstill. However, since he has worked with (not for) LE for 25+ years he believes that LE may be waiting for the proper time to take some action.

OF COURSE, THIS IS ONLY HIS OPINION AND SPECULATION AND NOT A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OR JUDGEMENT OF ANYONE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by SHinS
If they were(and are) in such financial crisis I would guess having another baby would be out of the question, at least until they get their finances back on track, no?
Makes no sense...IMO


The reporter said CF is due in august? I thought it was october...


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5432896 [/*]

Whats a "treasury"mean in relation to her post? Some said last night the reporter got it wrong - what was odd is he glanced down at his notes right before saying August so maybe he can't read his own writing :shrug:

[SHinS]

Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/6a4/338/il_fullxfull.5525201.jpg

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/6a4/338/il_fullxfull.5525201.jpg [/*]

http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/personal.php?project=winelabel

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Whats a "treasury"mean in relation to her post? Some said last night the reporter got it wrong - what was odd is he glanced down at his notes right before saying August so maybe he can't read his own writing :shrug: [/*]

I have emailed him about it. I will let you know if I hear back

[sarahhod]

Originally posted by huskiki


Thank You Sarah! I was surprised to hear that's the first time a child has been found alive that was abducted. Sad the way the world is these days.

I'm gald to hear that you're following Nicholas' case. Sometimes the boards take a bad turn but I think most of us here truly hope that Nicholas is found safe and can be returned to his family. If you would like to talk about the case you can always PM :) [/*]

Thank you huskiki. I completely understand that there will be differences of opinion and IMO that is a good thing as it makes you think in different areas that you may not have considered before, but IMO there are a few posters who pop in and out just to derail discussion and i dont find that helpful at all MOO

My children are just home from school but i will PM you later with my thoughts.

Sarah

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


I have emailed him about it. I will let you know if I hear back [/*]

Thanks Katie :)

[Shelby1]

I don't know if this has been posted or not.

This is on facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Seattle-WA/Nicholas-Francisco/10760854531?ref=s

[Nellie]

No one on this case is talking....except Christine. Why is that?
*Police aren't talking.
*Family isn't talking.
*Friends aren't talking.
*Co-workers aren't talking.
*Ex-church family isn't talking.

The only one talking is Christine. Why? Is she all alone?

[SHinS]

Originally posted by saydeezmom

what is a treasury? (she can never seem to snag one)

i just wanted to know

thanks [/*]



The Treasury is a member-curated gallery of short-lived lists of 12 hand-picked items each. Members can feature their favorite items, items selected on a theme, or just whoever they like. The Treasury is not intended for self-promotion, but instead to acknowledge and share the many cool things for sale on Etsy. Admin often chooses an exceptional Treasury list to promote to the the homepage hand-picked items.

http://www.etsy.com/faq.php#treasury


Here's an example:
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=33487

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: why we haven't heard much from his family.

They may know why he left and are keeping it quiet. Since there has been no crime comitted at least one we know of, they are under no obligation to share his whereabouts with the public or his wife. [/*]

if that is the case.....how cruel is that! :cuss:

[field of snow]

I know people have suggested that maybe he was transferring money from his paypal account to another, but he also could have just simply had the freelance jobs pay directly to the unknown Paypal account.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie
No one on this case is talking....except Christine. Why is that?
*Police aren't talking.
*Family isn't talking.
*Friends aren't talking.
*Co-workers aren't talking.
*Ex-church family isn't talking.

The only one talking is Christine. Why? Is she all alone? [/*]

Nellie - this may have changed but it was reported that people were taking shifts being with her.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Nellie
No one on this case is talking....except Christine. Why is that?
*Police aren't talking.
*Family isn't talking.
*Friends aren't talking.
*Co-workers aren't talking.
*Ex-church family isn't talking.

The only one talking is Christine. Why? Is she all alone? [/*]

in the interview there was a couple with her....

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by cteall
I am really thinking he is not in the area, with all the attention this case has received someone certainly would have seen something by now. I think somehow he made it out of state, quite possibly in someone else's vehicle as he knew he could not drive his own vehicle. From what I remember that condo complex was fairly close to the airport. [/*]

The condo aren't near the airport. They live near the airport. Costco is somewhat close to the airport but not the condos.

Some mentioned searching the water but where? There is so much water. To the west of his work.. that you could see in SeattleMatt's photos.. is Elliot Bay and to the east is Lake Union (big lake) and Lake Washington (Huge Lake). All the way to his home and even beyond is water to the west. All the way north of his work and to the west is water. There is alot of water.. never really paid much attention to it since it is just part of life but when having to think of where to possibly search.. you are kinda left scratching your head as where to look. I wonder.. did he have a favorite beach he went to? Did he ever hang out on Alki? The water front in Seattle.. isn't a beach.. just piers.. so that is a possiblity but with the amount of people and businesses down there.. you'd think someone would have seen something.. but who knows. Do you start there? Then there has been talk in PM about the shipping yard and the fact that there is railroad that runs right through there too. (I believe that they searched the tracks under the Viaduct. I think I remember reading that somewhere)

[Nellie]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


in the interview there was a couple with her.... [/*]

I'm glad you mentioned that. I had wondered who they were.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme
I have spent hours here trying to help. My DH knew about NF being missing from the first time I knew it but we never discussed it beyond that initial conversation. Fast forward to last night and he asked what I was doing and I told him I was catching up on the case. He then wanted to know more about it. My response to him was "let me tell you what is known and you tell me what you think". I gave him a run down from start to that moment and tried VERY HARD to keep it just a list of what we here knew thus far. His assessment is that there is something terribly wrong with this case. He came up with a couple of theories as to what MAY BE going on - nothing that hasn't been mentioned here before. He expressed concern that if the information we have is all of the information that LE has then their is efforts would be at a standstill. However, since he has worked with (not for) LE for 25+ years he believes that LE may be waiting for the proper time to take some action.

OF COURSE, THIS IS ONLY HIS OPINION AND SPECULATION AND NOT A CHARACTER ASSASSINATION OR JUDGEMENT OF ANYONE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE. [/*]

Thanks isitme - sometimes we get too close to the situation and its always nice to have another perspective.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Nellie - this may have changed but it was reported that people were taking shifts being with her. [/*]

I had read that too. So, I wonder if people are still there in her home taking shifts. And shifts of what? There's no command center to take shifts, so what are they doing?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


They might have their reasons for keeping quiet, the main one being they want to protect their son. [/*]

From who?

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


They might have their reasons for keeping quiet, the main one being they want to protect their son. [/*]

I understand that but as a Grandma I can't imagine doing something like that to my grandkids

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth



And speaking of taxes. Let's say I've been given $50,000 in small increments. Am i legally obligated to report that as income to the IRS, even if it was done as a charitable donation? Would it depend on whether or not I kept it in a bank versus an on-line account?

TIA [/*]


I believe that yes, in the eyes of the IRS you are supposed to report all income, regardless of the source, unless you are a tax sheltered, non-profit entity. I'm not a CPA, nor a tax attorney though, so I may be incorrect on that.

[Nellie]

Beth, I honestly would think the donations are taxable as income since she is not a "non-profit organization". Now, maybe setting up an official account at the bank somehow sets it up as "non profit"....I'll check up on that. But I definately think the Pay Pal donations would be taxable.

I had friends who received large sums of money when their daughter was dying of cancer. They had a fund set up at a bank too. I'll ask them how that all worked.

[dianaelaine]

A treasury is a group of sellers and one of their items that you like ... which you put together on the E site ... and it's listed in the 'treasury' area.

If administration likes the treasury enough, they'll pick it for the front page.

[field of snow]

re: Donation and Taxes...

Wouldn't that count as a gift and be under the Gift Tax rules? As long as no one person gave her more than 12,000 I think she's okay. Then again, the IRS hates me so I might not know what I am talking about.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


From who? [/*]

Himself

[Nellie]

Originally posted by field of snow
re: Donation and Taxes...

Wouldn't that count as a gift and be under the Gift Tax rules? As long as no one person gave her more than 12,000 I think she's okay. Then again, the IRS hates me so I might not know what I am talking about. [/*]

I'm re-thinking this....you might be right.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Nellie
Beth, I honestly would think the donations are taxable as income since she is not a "non-profit organization". Now, maybe setting up an official account at the bank somehow sets it up as "non profit"....I'll check up on that. But I definately think the Pay Pal donations would be taxable.

I had friends who received large sums of money when their daughter was dying of cancer. They had a fund set up at a bank too. I'll ask them how that all worked. [/*]

IN Washington, setting up a non-profit 501(c)(3) is quite the complicated matter; lots of paperwork and documentation. Non profits have to pay taxes too. It is possible to incorporate as a non profit, without a 501(c)(3), but that has to be done with the state, not at a bank. There may be special rules for individuals accepting donations for catastrophic events; I can't speak to that.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Himself [/*]

From the public?

Or from wife?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth


And wouldn't that amount be contingent ONLY on what was reported? Or can that amount be verified. It's not like Paypal sends you a W-9 at the end of the year.... do they? [/*]


No...PayPal sends nothing, nor do they report to the IRS. Something that may change in the future, but for now it's not officially reported anywhere. We as taxpayers are supposed to report our income ourselves (if indeed the payments made via PayPal are classified as income by IRS rules).

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by field of snow
re: Donation and Taxes...

Wouldn't that count as a gift and be under the Gift Tax rules? As long as no one person gave her more than 12,000 I think she's okay. Then again, the IRS hates me so I might not know what I am talking about. [/*]

I know that I could gift her up to $12,000 tax free. I am not sure if it is looked at differently if many, many people gift to her :shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by field of snow
re: Donation and Taxes...

Wouldn't that count as a gift and be under the Gift Tax rules? As long as no one person gave her more than 12,000 I think she's okay. Then again, the IRS hates me so I might not know what I am talking about. [/*]

As long as people are giving it to her as a gift.. then she does not have to report it to the IRS. The $12,000 applies to the donor and even that doesn't matter unless they have given more than 1,000,000 (I think it is) lifetime. If she makes any income from the gift (interest etc.) then she does have to claim that. Otherwise no matter how large the gift.. you do not report it on your taxes.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


As long as people are giving it to her as a gift.. then she does not have to report it to the IRS. The $12,000 applies to the donor and even that doesn't matter unless they have given more than 1,000,000 (I think it is) lifetime. If she makes any income from the gift (interest etc.) then she does have to claim that. Otherwise no matter how large the gift.. you do not report it on your taxes. [/*]

I might add that it is not a deduction for the donor either. If you give a cash or property "gift" then you are agreeing not to deduct it from your income as a deduction. The only way to do that is to give to a qualifying charity.

[mc528]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


As long as people are giving it to her as a gift.. then she does not have to report it to the IRS. The $12,000 applies to the donor and even that doesn't matter unless they have given more than 1,000,000 (I think it is) lifetime. If she makes any income from the gift (interest etc.) then she does have to claim that. Otherwise no matter how large the gift.. you do not report it on your taxes. [/*]


Was just typing something similar. I looked it up in IRS Publication 950.....the person receiving the gift will not owe any tax, nor even have to report it.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p950.pdf

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


From the public?

Or from wife? [/*]

Maybe from everything...sometimes people just get overwhelmed.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by mc528



Was just typing something similar. I looked it up in IRS Publication 950.....the person receiving the gift will not owe any tax, nor even have to report it.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p950.pdf [/*]

That's great news for Christine!
Wow, untaxable income!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Danette - box is full
(sorry if this post offends anyone)

[AmeliaC]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5432896

This is from January 24th. In her message, CF says she just found out she was pregnant that morning. CF also said she told NF about the baby on his birthday. When was his birthday again? I thought it was the 23rd. I know the specifics don't matter, but the fact that there are SO MANY inconsistencies does.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Danette - box is full
(sorry if this post offends anyone) [/*]

sorry......:D

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


That's great news for Christine!
Wow, untaxable income! [/*]

Yes.. but how long are people going to want to pay taxes on income that they can't use. Especially in this economy.

The downside is that someone from the IRS could have caught wind of the donations and has become more aware of the etsy site and wonder if that income has been claimed. Cause it has to be a gift.. PERIOD.. if anyone bought things from her to help her out. She still has to pay tax on that. Even if they went on and bought an apron for $200... meaning to give her some extra. It actually might get kinda tricky if they were donating through her business account... if someone wanted to be difficult.. but it isn't set up as a legal business so that might be different.

I know that gifts set up through a bank are not taxed. The bank may be obligated to report to the IRS anything odd about the account... which they could then investigate.. but otherwise they are gifts.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
This may be the father:
"Noel Francisco, who served as White House associate counsel and deputy assistant attorney general during President Bush's first term. He's now in private law practice in Washington."
from http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/july-dec07/gonzales_08-27.html [/*]

I thought his dad owned a winery?

[SeattleEddie]

I was wrong about that Noel Francisco. Back to researching......

[SeattleEddie]

Looks like the father makes wine in Clark County.
http://www.columbiantalk.com/community/clubs/viewCategory.cfm?cat=11 Please disregard my last post, which I've already deleted.

As I said, the only reason this is interesting is in light of a story I heard yesterday about political activists going missing in the Philippines on a regular basis.

But I think that theory can be fully discounted.

[Shimz]

if his birthday is 1/28 and she told him on his birthday, i just find it a little odd that someone would tell thousands of complete strangers they are expecting, before your husband..

MOO - i know it may be a little o/t but it is things like this that make people wonder..

[Jazmine203]

Originally posted by huskiki


I suggested her getting a job a week or so ago and was almost beheaded. Get a job? :eek: People couldn't believe that I suggested such a thing, her husband is missing. Of course I didn't mean right away but down the road if Nicholas didn't return. You can't depend on other people, there needs to be some degree of personal responsibility. Christine is a very talented woman and I would think she could be very successful. [/*]

My husband recently passed away in Jan. of natural causes and the grieving is unbearable at times. I had to go back to work a week after because I had just started this job and didnt have alot of time off to take. Im thankful that I did go back to work. I have to make up the income I lost by losing him and it keeps my mind busy so Im not just thinking constantly about the situation Im in now. Work can be a good distraction and I like Christine need the money to keep my family going. I would suggest she open one of her shops and do atleast a few hours of work a day if for nothing else to keep her mind busy. I dont know is she knows what happened to him or not but if she doesnt the not knowing must be horrible. I do know what happened with my honey and as hard as it is to lose him atleast I know where he is.. God Bless the family..

[desmom]

DH and I were discussing the investigation. I told him NF's employer was still paying him. DH suggested maybe they were paying him for hours already worked.

A paycheck issued mid February is actually pay for the hours worked the last 2 weeks of January. The check issued at the end of February would be pay for the hours worked the first 2 weeks in February.

Does that make sense? :lol:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jazmine203


My husband recently passed away in Jan. of natural causes and the grieving is unbearable at times. I had to go back to work a week after because I had just started this job and didnt have alot of time off to take. Im thankful that I did go back to work. I have to make up the income I lost by losing him and it keeps my mind busy so Im not just thinking constantly about the situation Im in now. Work can be a good distraction and I like Christine need the money to keep my family going. I would suggest she open one of her shops and do atleast a few hours of work a day if for nothing else to keep her mind busy. I dont know is she knows what happened to him or not but if she doesnt the not knowing must be horrible. I do know what happened with my honey and as hard as it is to lose him atleast I know where he is.. God Bless the family.. [/*]

My deepest sympathy to you and your family.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom
DH and I were discussing the investigation. I told him NF's employer was still paying him. DH suggested maybe they were paying him for hours already worked.

A paycheck issued mid February is actually pay for the hours worked the last 2 weeks of January. The check issued at the end of February would be pay for the hours worked the first 2 weeks in February.

Does that make sense? :lol: [/*]

yes, but that would mean the checks would now be stopped, right?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth
Boy, I would love to know if he's heard from Nicholas.

Thanks SeattleEddie. [/*]

It looks like a straight shot approximate 2 hour drive from Seattle to Vancouver.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth
Does anybody know if an IRS 1099 is only for services such as labor or if it includes products as well? [/*]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Form_990#1099_series lists the different types of 1099 forms.

[isitme]

Perhaps when CF received the check for work previously done she misunderstood it and thought that they were GOING to to CONTINUE the pay. Then when she didn't receive the next paycheck she realized that there would be no more $$ coming in from them.

Although, I would think she would have been in contact with them at some point early on to have had better information and not rely on an assumption regarding the income.

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


yes, but that would mean the checks would now be stopped, right? [/*]

IMO, yes. I don't think Publicis was continuning to pay NF after he disappeared, but paying him for hours already worked.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme
Perhaps when CF received the check for work previously done she misunderstood it and thought that they were GOING to to CONTINUE the pay. Then when she didn't receive the next paycheck she realized that there would be no more $$ coming in from them.

Although, I would think she would have been in contact with them at some point early on to have had better information and not rely on an assumption regarding the income. [/*]

Right, but if it is for hours worked as Desmom laid out, she would not have gotten a check the end of February. She would have known that when she did the interview yesterday or am I missing something?

[Jazmine203]

Thank you both. This case has helped in keeping my mind busy as well. Very interesting and mysterious.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


IMO, yes. I don't think Publicis was continuning to pay NF after he disappeared, but paying him for hours already worked.

jmo [/*]

They could have paid him for any accrued sick time or vacation time in order to lengthen it out IMO.

[Shimz]

ok -- please don't take this the wrong way.. but..

Last night it was mentioned (by me and someone else) that Publicis really doesn't owe CF anything...

I brought up the point that he was EARNING that paycheck...

Now, if Publicis had plans to lay people off, how would they justify continuing paying NF's salary to his wife because "she is in dire financial need"

Even if they did continue his pay out of the goodness of their hearts (some sarcasm) ... why would they want that publicly known?

Just saying, if i was being laid off, and i knew that my job was paying someone who didn't even work for them, even though i would feel bad for her situation, i think i would be quite angry.

Noone knows what the financial situation of these people are... So if I was about to be laid off at Publicis, and I went to them and said "I am a single mother with 2 kids, and I really need this money, please don't cut me off", what would they say?

This is all JUST MY OPINION

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shimz
ok -- please don't take this the wrong way.. but..

Last night it was mentioned (by me and someone else) that Publicis really doesn't owe CF anything...

I brought up the point that he was EARNING that paycheck...

Now, if Publicis had plans to lay people off, how would they justify continuing paying NF's salary to his wife because "she is in dire financial need"

Even if they did continue his pay out of the goodness of their hearts (some sarcasm) ... why would they want that publicly known?

Just saying, if i was being laid off, and i knew that my job was paying someone who didn't even work for them, even though i would feel bad for her situation, i think i would be quite angry.

Noone knows what the financial situation of these people are... So if I was about to be laid off at Publicis, and I went to them and said "I am a single mother with 2 kids, and I really need this money, please don't cut me off", what would they say?

This is all JUST MY OPINION [/*]

No, I completely agree - its just that some companies will pay employees at least their accrued vacation time, if not their sick time if they are being laid off. I guess they could have done that also and who knows - maybe they did. As I stated earlier, if he was being paid for work done two weeks before, the checks would have stopped by now and she would have known that before her interview yesterday.

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Right, but if it is for hours worked as Desmom laid out, she would not have gotten a check the end of February. She would have known that when she did the interview yesterday or am I missing something? [/*]

Maybe this will help. I had to draw it out with paper and pencil so I did not confuse myself.......

IF payday was twice a month, the pay period probably would end sometime mid month and the last day of the month.

January 1 - January 15 would be paid at the end of January.
January 16 - January 31 would be paid mid February.
February 1 - February 15 would be paid at the end of February.

NF disappeared on Feb. 13. If CF saw a payroll deposits in their account mid Feb and the end of Feb., she may have assumed Publicis was still paying NF. Actually, they were issuing his pay for hours already worked.



I think LOL

jmo

[Shelby1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


No, I completely agree - its just that some companies will pay employees at least their accrued vacation time, if not their sick time if they are being laid off. I guess they could have done that also and who knows - maybe they did. As I stated earlier, if he was being paid for work done two weeks before, the checks would have stopped by now and she would have known that before her interview yesterday. [/*]

My company does that. We will spread out any remaining sick and vacation pay however the employee wants it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


Maybe this will help. I had to draw it out with paper and pencil so I did not confuse myself.......

IF payday was twice a month, the pay period probably would end sometime mid month and the last day of the month.

January 1 - January 15 would be paid at the end of January.
January 16 - January 31 would be paid mid February.
February 1 - February 15 would be paid at the end of February.

NF disappeared on Feb. 13. If CF saw a payroll deposits in their account mid Feb and the end of Feb., she may have assumed Publicis was still paying NF. Actually, they were issuing his pay for hours already worked.



I think LOL

jmo [/*]

Could you go over that one more time? LMAO just kidding

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by desmom


Maybe this will help. I had to draw it out with paper and pencil so I did not confuse myself.......

IF payday was twice a month, the pay period probably would end sometime mid month and the last day of the month.

January 1 - January 15 would be paid at the end of January.
January 16 - January 31 would be paid mid February.
February 1 - February 15 would be paid at the end of February.

NF disappeared on Feb. 13. If CF saw a payroll deposits in their account mid Feb and the end of Feb., she may have assumed Publicis was still paying NF. Actually, they were issuing his pay for hours already worked.



I think LOL

jmo [/*]

makes sense. Just curious that she wouldn't have known how his pay came tho. to think that he was still being paid even tho not working

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Jazmine203


My husband recently passed away in Jan. of natural causes and the grieving is unbearable at times. I had to go back to work a week after because I had just started this job and didnt have alot of time off to take. Im thankful that I did go back to work. I have to make up the income I lost by losing him and it keeps my mind busy so Im not just thinking constantly about the situation Im in now. Work can be a good distraction and I like Christine need the money to keep my family going. I would suggest she open one of her shops and do atleast a few hours of work a day if for nothing else to keep her mind busy. I dont know is she knows what happened to him or not but if she doesnt the not knowing must be horrible. I do know what happened with my honey and as hard as it is to lose him atleast I know where he is.. God Bless the family.. [/*]

I'm sorry to hear about your loss Jazmine. You are a strong woman to be able to keep it together enough to return to work so soon. I hope Christine takes your advice and opens one of her shops just to keep busy. She's probably very busy during the day with the kids but late at night it might help her.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


No, I completely agree - its just that some companies will pay employees at least their accrued vacation time, if not their sick time if they are being laid off. I guess they could have done that also and who knows - maybe they did. As I stated earlier, if he was being paid for work done two weeks before, the checks would have stopped by now and she would have known that before her interview yesterday. [/*]

I agree with you.. and speaking as someone who was recently in that situation (the law firm i work for is dissolving) i was worried about what was going to happen. The last day is March 31, I had originally thought there would be SOME TYPE of severance, but unfortunately, this isnt the case... Which prompted me to go out and search for new a job right away, which i did, thank god =) .. so my next question was the vacation pay. I have been there for 5 years, so their response was this...

They are only giving out whatever vacation/sick time we would have earned for the first quarter... so not much... and if we already used the days we wouldn't have to pay them back, but also aren't getting paid anything...

I start my new job monday so i am not too worried now, but for the last month i was frantic trying to figure out how i would pay my rent, it is impossible to live off of unemployment...

So i guess i kind of see where CF is coming from with the money situation, but i have been there, and i know some things are more important than others.. for example, they aren't going to shut your electric if u miss a month or two... and some things i know i could live without... cable, internet, things like that are not vital to survival.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shimz


I agree with you.. and speaking as someone who was recently in that situation (the law firm i work for is dissolving) i was worried about what was going to happen. The last day is March 31, I had originally thought there would be SOME TYPE of severance, but unfortunately, this isnt the case... Which prompted me to go out and search for new a job right away, which i did, thank god =) .. so my next question was the vacation pay. I have been there for 5 years, so their response was this...

They are only giving out whatever vacation/sick time we would have earned for the first quarter... so not much... and if we already used the days we wouldn't have to pay them back, but also aren't getting paid anything...

I start my new job monday so i am not too worried now, but for the last month i was frantic trying to figure out how i would pay my rent, it is impossible to live off of unemployment...

So i guess i kind of see where CF is coming from with the money situation, but i have been there, and i know some things are more important than others.. for example, they aren't going to shut your electric if u miss a month or two... and some things i know i could live without... cable, internet, things like that are not vital to survival. [/*]

Of course - I understand completely. I would just hope that all the people who have been sitting with her would help her on sorting through some of this - making calls to utility companies, paying interest on loans or car notes, etc.

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


They could have paid him for any accrued sick time or vacation time in order to lengthen it out IMO. [/*]

I think there might be some legal issues there. NF did not authorize the sick time or vacation time to be paid out. What happens if did not disappear on his own and returns to work? Because the employer decided without their employee's consent to issue his sick time and vacation pay, the employee is just out?

Re his paychecks...DH is paid with direct deposit. All payroll funds are electronically transferred from the company on Tuesday afternoon. It is at our bank on Wednesday, but not accessible until his official payday - Thursday.

In NF's case....If payday was the 15th of the month, his paycheck was probably electronically transferred from his employer on the 13th, it would be in their bank on the 14th, but not accessible until the 15th.

The check at the end of the month probably required some legal advice. His employer could not legally with hold his paycheck. They had not received any new instructions from the employee on where to send his check. IMO, the paycheck would have to be issued following the information that had been originally supplied by the employee.

jmo

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Shimz
if his birthday is 1/28 and she told him on his birthday, i just find it a little odd that someone would tell thousands of complete strangers they are expecting, before your husband..

MOO - i know it may be a little o/t but it is things like this that make people wonder.. [/*]



That's what I was thinking as well

(my post on p. 3)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


I think there might be some legal issues there. NF did not authorize the sick time or vacation time to be paid out. What happens if did not disappear on his own and returns to work? Because the employer decided without their employee's consent to issue his sick time and vacation pay, the employee is just out?

(snipped)
jmo [/*]

True - hopefully he will have that chance to go back to his life someday.

[desmom]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


makes sense. Just curious that she wouldn't have known how his pay came tho. to think that he was still being paid even tho not working [/*]

Um....she was not aware of how much debt they had.

[Shimz]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Of course - I understand completely. I would just hope that all the people who have been sitting with her would help her on sorting through some of this - making calls to utility companies, paying interest on loans or car notes, etc. [/*]

Definitely :patriot:

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

I have to give kudos to this guy - he is keeping the information current, whereas others have let it just slip away.

[SHinS]

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/6a4/338/il_fullxfull.5525201.jpg [/*]


So I guess that would not be his father's winery then?

[Shimz]

Originally posted by desmom


I think there might be some legal issues there. NF did not authorize the sick time or vacation time to be paid out. What happens if did not disappear on his own and returns to work? Because the employer decided without their employee's consent to issue his sick time and vacation pay, the employee is just out?

(snipped)

[/*]

If he did leave on his own and came back, would he really expect that his job would just say "Hey, glad your back, now get to work?" I would think theyd be pretty ticked at him for abandoning his job responsibilities, and that sick and vacation time would be the least of his problems with them.. JMOO

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by desmom


Um....she was not aware of how much debt they had. [/*]

LOL sorry...thinking like myself and not Christine again!

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom


Maybe this will help. I had to draw it out with paper and pencil so I did not confuse myself.......

IF payday was twice a month, the pay period probably would end sometime mid month and the last day of the month.

January 1 - January 15 would be paid at the end of January.
January 16 - January 31 would be paid mid February.
February 1 - February 15 would be paid at the end of February.

NF disappeared on Feb. 13. If CF saw a payroll deposits in their account mid Feb and the end of Feb., she may have assumed Publicis was still paying NF. Actually, they were issuing his pay for hours already worked.



I think LOL

jmo [/*]


Perhaps NF's employer is also paying CF some, or all of his vacation, (and maybe even personal/sick) time NF would be entitled to for the 2008 year.

My husband's employer provides him with 8 weeks of vacation for the year. The way the company manual reads he will receive this vacation as long as he completes employment through January.

However some companies work under an accrual plan and each month you are employed you are 'earning time' toward the year's allotment of vacation. Many require you to be employed until October to have earned and be entitled to the full amount of allotted weeks. If you leave the company prior to October the vacation is apportioned based on the number of months completed. Since NF left in February he would not have accrud much vacation if this is Publicis policy, unless they decided to waive the policy under the circumstances. Policies vary among employers from my experience. One employer I had stated if you leave the company for any reason you are not entitled to any unused vacation or sick pay, period.

Surely Publicis has advised CF how long the paychecks will continue coming, it would cruel and unprofessional not to give her an idea of when to expect the checks to stop, especially since they know she is unemployed. For that matter wouldn't CF take some responsibility and ask Publicis, surely her financial advisor would have wanted to know as he helped her plan her future.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Jazmine203


My husband recently passed away in Jan. of natural causes and the grieving is unbearable at times. I had to go back to work a week after because I had just started this job and didnt have alot of time off to take. Im thankful that I did go back to work. I have to make up the income I lost by losing him and it keeps my mind busy so Im not just thinking constantly about the situation Im in now. Work can be a good distraction and I like Christine need the money to keep my family going. I would suggest she open one of her shops and do atleast a few hours of work a day if for nothing else to keep her mind busy. I dont know is she knows what happened to him or not but if she doesnt the not knowing must be horrible. I do know what happened with my honey and as hard as it is to lose him atleast I know where he is.. God Bless the family.. [/*]

:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Shimz


If he did leave on his own and came back, would he really expect that his job would just say "Hey, glad your back, now get to work?" I would think theyd be pretty ticked at him for abandoning his job responsibilities, and that sick and vacation time would be the least of his problems with them.. JMOO [/*]

She was talking about if he did not disappear on his own. No fault of his he was abducted, carjacked, kidnapped, etc.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Shimz


If he did leave on his own and came back, would he really expect that his job would just say "Hey, glad your back, now get to work?" I would think theyd be pretty ticked at him for abandoning his job responsibilities, and that sick and vacation time would be the least of his problems with them.. JMOO [/*]

So true.

[isitme]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Right, but if it is for hours worked as Desmom laid out, she would not have gotten a check the end of February. She would have known that when she did the interview yesterday or am I missing something? [/*]

Your probably right Rainy. My timelines on this may not add up for what I was thinking MAY have happened.

It is difficult to explain what may have happened whithout all of the information. And I suppose to really understand the truth of her statments we would have to know when she recieved the $$, what it was for (work performed, vacatiom, etc.) as well what communication there was between her and Publicis reagrding his pay.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She was talking about if he did not disappear on his own. No fault of his he was abducted, carjacked, kidnapped, etc. [/*]

Ok thanks, that does change the situation and thought process. :)

[Shimz]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She was talking about if he did not disappear on his own. No fault of his he was abducted, carjacked, kidnapped, etc. [/*]


Oh i am sorry i mis-read... good point... if that did happen though, I don't think I would mind if that money was paid to may family to help them any way they could... the most important thing would be that he was back! but thats jmo, and i understand that there may be legal issues about it..

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
For those who keep asking me where I think Nicholas is, this is my answer. It is based on nothing more than intuition and reading the posts on this message board.

I think he is in Chainsaw Country......meaning Fairbanks Alaska. [/*]

Any particular reason he would go to Fairbanks as opposed to another place?

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://www.findnicholasfrancisco.com/

I have to give kudos to this guy - he is keeping the information current, whereas others have let it just slip away. [/*]


IF NF was abducted and is found safe and returns, he will have no problem figuring out who loved, cared, missed and believed in him, and who didn't.

:)

:eek:

It would be kind of like being able to witness your own funeral and the aftermath.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
For those who keep asking me where I think Nicholas is, this is my answer. It is based on nothing more than intuition and reading the posts on this message board.

I think he is in Chainsaw Country......meaning Fairbanks Alaska. [/*]

How do you think he got there?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
For those who keep asking me where I think Nicholas is, this is my answer. It is based on nothing more than intuition and reading the posts on this message board.

I think he is in Chainsaw Country......meaning Fairbanks Alaska. [/*]

Wasn't the Costco employee's husband from Alaska?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by desmom


Wasn't the Costco employee's husband from Alaska? [/*]

:eek:

Funny how the discussion comes full circle.

[Nellie]

Here's my thoughts on the salary issue.
I think the company is still paying his salary and it is not for work he's already done. If it was vacation/sick time, then I think Christine would have said so....like "Publicis has paid out his vacation and sick time and that has helped". That's not what she has said. Here is what she said herself....they have been maintaining his paycheck. That does not sound like it's wages earned, but the company is doing it to help out and in a case like this, I can believe they would do this for a time.

Yes it is true that Publicis has been maintaining his paycheck but that is why he had a second job, his salary never covered all of our bills.

At the same time she says they have been maintaining his paycheck, she has also said in another article that it's been hard to make ends meet without his income. I guess she's speaking of his "second job" income since she's getting his "first job" income. But with the donations, I still don't know why she says it is hard to make ends meet without his income. She herself says she still has some donation money left, so it seems to me that she actually had more money to work with than she did with his TWO incomes. It just doesn't make sense.

Now I can understand worrying about the future. But I do NOT understand these contradictions about being hard to make ends meet without his income when it seems she's brought in more than they would have with his two jobs.

Am I missing something?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's my thoughts on the salary issue.
I think the company is still paying his salary and it is not for work he's already done. If it was vacation/sick time, then I think Christine would have said so....like "Publicis has paid out his vacation and sick time and that has helped". That's not what she has said. Here is what she said herself....they have been maintaining his paycheck. That does not sound like it's wages earned, but the company is doing it to help out and in a case like this, I can believe they would do this for a time.

Yes it is true that Publicis has been maintaining his paycheck but that is why he had a second job, his salary never covered all of our bills.

At the same time she says they have been maintaining his paycheck, she has also said in another article that it's been hard to make ends meet without his income. I guess she's speaking of his "second job" income since she's getting his "first job" income. But with the donations, I still don't know why she says it is hard to make ends meet without is income. She herself says she still have some donation money left, so it seems to me that she actually had more money to work with that she did with his TWO incomes. It just doesn't make sense.

Now I can understand worrying about the future. But I do NOT understand these contradictions about being hard to make ends meet without his income when it seems she's brought in more than they would have with his two jobs.

Am I missing something? [/*]

IMO, you are not missing anything and it sounds like they may have been living beyond their means.

jmo

ETA ~ Gotta run. My son just told me the kitchen faucet is leaking under the sink. :eek: Check in later.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by huskiki


:eek:

Funny how the discussion comes full circle. [/*]

Isn't it tho. So hard for me to believe in so many coincidences :eek:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by desmom


[/*]

IMO, you are not missing anything and it sounds like they may have been living beyond their means.

[/*][/QUOTE]

I think that is probably the case. It happens. Lots of people are.
So, the question is.....if true, would that play a part in his dissappearance?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


:eek:

Funny how the discussion comes full circle. [/*]

hammer

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's my thoughts on the salary issue.
I think the company is still paying his salary and it is not for work he's already done. If it was vacation/sick time, then I think Christine would have said so....like "Publicis has paid out his vacation and sick time and that has helped". That's not what she has said. Here is what she said herself....they have been maintaining his paycheck. That does not sound like it's wages earned, but the company is doing it to help out and in a case like this, I can believe they would do this for a time.



At the same time she says they have been maintaining his paycheck, she has also said in another article that it's been hard to make ends meet without his income. I guess she's speaking of his "second job" income since she's getting his "first job" income. But with the donations, I still don't know why she says it is hard to make ends meet without his income. She herself says she still has some donation money left, so it seems to me that she actually had more money to work with than she did with his TWO incomes. It just doesn't make sense.

Now I can understand worrying about the future. But I do NOT understand these contradictions about being hard to make ends meet without his income when it seems she's brought in more than they would have with his two jobs.

Am I missing something? [/*]

No, not in my opinion you aren't.


Why pay the April mortgage in advance when she doesn't know what will happen between now and April. If he is found (deceased/killed) she would be entitled to life insurance and SS benefits for her and her children..maybe they even have mortgage insurance to pay off the loan.

Does she know when paychecks from Publicis will stop? If they will continue through April, (or longer), again why advance pay the mortgage. Did she actually do that, or just say that to imply money is running low. BTW-when the paychecks stop NF's health benefits also automatically stop unless someone pays the premiums.

I think we have come full circle somewhat..."he was shielding me from some of our debt", maybe he was, maybe he wasn't and she just didn't want to deal with it. Maybe this is also the motive for walking, or maybe this is a way for them to get out of debt.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by saydeezmom
both meaning NF is from Alaska as well? [/*]

I think she meant he and his wife?????

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Yes, they both are from that area. [/*]


I understood VF was a Pacific-Islander.

Also I read a site where VF was employed, (I'll try to find it again.) It stated his company delivers shipments to Alaska among other locations, which I thought was interesting but no one else seemed to think so when I originally posted it on the board some time back.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no



I understood VF was a Pacific-Islander.

Also I read a site where VF was employed, (I'll try to find it again.) It stated his company delivers shipments to Alaska among other locations, which I thought was interesting but no one else seemed to think so when I originally posted it on the board some time back. [/*]

He worked at a lumber yard I thought - I'll try to find it also - I saw it once before

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Yes, they both are from that area. [/*]

Viliamu isn't from Faibanks, he and Stephanie are from Anchorage.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


He worked at a lumber yard I thought - I'll try to find it also - I saw it once before [/*]


Here it is and I correct myself...not Alaska, Canada.


Our service area includes the I-5 corridor from the Canadian border to Olympia, Washington and the Olympic Peninsula to the west.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mYp352T1u1gJ:www.lumberproducts.com/Company%2520Info/kent.htm+%22viliamu+fale%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no



Here it is and I correct myself...not Alaska, Canada.


Our service area includes the I-5 corridor from the Canadian border to Olympia, Washington and the Olympic Peninsula to the west.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mYp352T1u1gJ:www.lumberproducts.com/Company%2520Info/kent.htm+%22viliamu+fale%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us [/*]

Thats it need - he is listed as a warehouse worker.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Yes, they both are from that area. [/*]


The unknown piece to the theory that NF and VF may be together is how they might have connected. Maybe they shared similar internet connections, or common friends/interests...since at least publicly, both CF and VF's wife have stated that the two did not know each other. MOO

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


He worked at a lumber yard I thought - I'll try to find it also - I saw it once before [/*]

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mYp352T1u1gJ:www.lumberproducts.com/Company%2520Info/kent.htm+%22viliamu+fale%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thats it need - he is listed as a warehouse worker. [/*]


I wonder how difficult it would be to hide out on a truck going to Canada as stupid as this question sounds.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no



I wonder how difficult it would be to hide out on a truck going to Canada as stupid as this question sounds. [/*]

I couldn't get the other links to work - not sure why...

http://www.lumberproducts.com/Company%20Info/kent.htm

[huskiki]

Originally posted by mc528



The unknown piece to the theory that NF and VF may be together is how they might have connected. Maybe they shared similar internet connections, or common friends/interests...since at least publicly, both CF and VF's wife have stated that the two did not know each other. MOO [/*]


YES! Which is why I've been looking at various groups and message boards looking for something, anything that might hold a clue. His name is all over the place. I'm sure he had many contacts that Christine didn't know about. Kind of like me, here I am chatting with all of you but most of my family wouldn't know that. Some would know to look here but they don't know who I talk to on a regular basis. I'm not saying he's hiding anything.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no



I wonder how difficult it would be to hide out on a truck going to Canada as stupid as this question sounds. [/*]

It might be easier than we think.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I couldn't get the other links to work - not sure why...

http://www.lumberproducts.com/Company%20Info/kent.htm [/*]


Thanks, I checked mine before I hit reply and it linked there, but now it doesn't for some reason. HOH's didn't direct link either.
:shrug:

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki


It might be easier than we think. [/*]


Ok, so suppose VF helped NF connect up with a way out of town via his employer's business dealings, and they actually left on 02/14/08, but NF just chose not to go home on Valentine's eve knowing he would be gone the next day.

Maybe VF has in fact contacted his wife to say he is ok but will not be returning home, but NF has not...or maybe.......

I need to think this through some more to see if it holds water.

[desmom]

Originally posted by need2no



I wonder how difficult it would be to hide out on a truck going to Canada as stupid as this question sounds. [/*]

Ok you lost me.....

Why would he need to hide?

TIA

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by need2no



Ok, so suppose VF helped NF connect up with a way out of town via his employer's business dealings, and they actually left on 02/14/08, but NF just chose not to go home on Valentine's eve knowing he would be gone the next day.

Maybe VF has in fact contacted his wife to say he is ok but will not be returning home, but NF has not...or maybe.......

I need to think this through some more to see if it holds water. [/*]

According to Viliamu's supervisor he worked the day of the 14th.

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom


Ok you lost me.....

Why would he need to hide?

TIA [/*]


LOL...I've barely thought this through..but suppose he (or NF AND VF) hitched a ride secretly on a company truck going to Canada. Surely they wouldn't want more people than necessary being involved in their (or NF's) plan to leave. If he or they could hide on the truck no one would be the wiser. Less people who know, the less likely he is discovered/found.

Again I'm sure there are some holes in this theory but I don't have time to work through all this right now. Maybe someone here will tear this apart before I return. :)

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


According to Viliamu's supervisor he worked the day of the 14th. [/*]

Ok, there's one rip in my theory, lol.

However that actually helps with my thoughts about NF's car. Maybe they left on the next train out so to speak...leaving on the 18th. Again NF just couldn't face CF and his children on VALENTINE'S EVE knowing he was planning to walk out on them.

[desmom]

Originally posted by need2no



LOL...I've barely thought this through..but suppose he (or NF AND VF) hitched a ride secretly on a company truck going to Canada. Surely they wouldn't want more people than necessary being involved in their (or NF's) plan to leave. If he or they could hide on the truck no one would be the wiser. Less people who know, the less likely he is discovered/found.

Again I'm sure there are some holes in this theory but I don't have time to work through all this right now. Maybe someone here will tear this apart before I return. :) [/*]

Thanks!

If VF was a regular at the Canadian border with a company truck, would the border (what are they called? patrol?) question him driving through with a buddy in a privately owned vehicle?



:shrug:

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by desmom


Thanks!

If VF was a regular at the Canadian border with a company truck, would the border (what are they called? patrol?) question him driving through with a buddy in a privately owned vehicle?



:shrug: [/*]

if they were smartr they would have gone south....no one looks at anything down here :rolleyes:

sorry o/t

[isitme]

Originally posted by need2no



LOL...I've barely thought this through..but suppose he (or NF AND VF) hitched a ride secretly on a company truck going to Canada. Surely they wouldn't want more people than necessary being involved in their (or NF's) plan to leave. If he or they could hide on the truck no one would be the wiser. Less people who know, the less likely he is discovered/found.

Again I'm sure there are some holes in this theory but I don't have time to work through all this right now. Maybe someone here will tear this apart before I return. :) [/*]

Could someone hide on a rig as it moved across to Canada? Yes IF there were no reasons, red flags, for customs to want to search the vehicle. Depending on the type of trailer being pulled someone could even hide in the trailer. Although if customs wanted to search it and had sufficient reason they can have the truck detained and off load the entire trailer to inspect it.

[isitme]

But if they are secretly hiding on the company truck and that truck hauls wood, from felled trees to finished lumber, then I would think it would be very difficult to hide on the trailer itself. And hiding in the sleeper, if there is one, would be extremely difficult ( I would say impossible but I have learned that creative people often find ways to do what was believed to be impossible) to pull off without the driver knowing they were there.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


His birthday has been listed as 1-28-1980. Please correct this if I am wrong. [/*]

1-23-1980

[moonlessnite]

I'm catching up, too. were there new interviews? are there links?

Before I fell asleep last night I had images in my head of the water around the arboretum - Montlake Cut, Lake Washington and 520.
I dunno why. then I started wondering if you took a private boat up through the inside passage, would you have to stop at Victoria or Nanaimo for customs?


Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning all,

Thanks to those who provided the links last night. I'm still catching up and won't be able to watch the second interview until later when my household is awake. lol.

However, from reading the posts there was supposedly a comment made by the wife or question regarding what else can be done to find Nicholas.

Maybe we can come up with ideas. I brought up searching the water yesterday and I think this is a must. I also think sniffer dogs should be brought in again. Looking at places Nicholas MAY have gone to is another idea. Perhaps posters in the area can help with this.

Still praying and hoping Nicholas is safe and reunited with his children. :rose: [/*]

[SeattleEddie]

Nicholas' father lives in Vancouver, Washington. There is also a Vancouver BC, Canada. They are totally different locations. The Washington Vancouver is near Portland, OR, near the southern border of Washington, and Vancouver BC is just across Washington's northern border in Canada.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
I'm catching up, too. were there new interviews? are there links?

Before I fell asleep last night I had images in my head of the water around the arboretum - Montlake Cut, Lake Washington and 520.
I dunno why. then I started wondering if you took a private boat up through the inside passage, would you have to stop at Victoria or Nanaimo for customs?


[/*]


Interesting idea about taking a private boat up into Canada. I found this link http://www.crossingmadeeasy.com/passport-info.htm that says "The master of a recreational boat is the person in charge. As master of the recreational boat, you have to go to a designated telephone reporting marine site, call the telephone reporting centre at 1-888-226-7277. No one except the master may leave the boat until authorization is given by customs."

Sounds like it is all done by phone, with no in-person ID check.
Very interesting...

[decor]

does anyone know if a car disappeared with Viliamu?

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by decor
does anyone know if a car disappeared with Viliamu? [/*]

been looking...can't find anything on it. ...but then I am not the best researcher :shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


been looking...can't find anything on it. ...but then I am not the best researcher :shrug: [/*]

There was actually very little about Fale when he disappeared.

Harlett has a picture on their website I believe.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


There was actually very little about Fale when he disappeared.

Harlett has a picture on their website I believe. [/*]

I saw that...gives his vitals but not much else

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
I'm catching up, too. were there new interviews? are there links?

Before I fell asleep last night I had images in my head of the water around the arboretum - Montlake Cut, Lake Washington and 520.
I dunno why. then I started wondering if you took a private boat up through the inside passage, would you have to stop at Victoria or Nanaimo for customs?


[/*]

I believe they have been transferred over to the sticky -

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm still thinking he's in California for some reason. Somebody else had mentioned that once, too, and beat me to saying it. [/*]

Why California?

If I thought he was anywhere, it would be with his dad at that winery.

[moonlessnite]

well, it seems like she has been slow to come to accept that he may well have left on his own - but she's getting there and her comments are reflecting that and seem much more realistic now. So, maybe being a SAHM has been the norm for her and it will take her a while to accept that that may need to change. but maybe she will accept it soon and start looking for work. This whole thing is going to change their world drastically, and being open to change is going to be her key to survival. Trying to continue on in the same way w/o NF just won't be possible.

Originally posted by n/t


I agree. From what I understand her baby is due in October (the reporter said August) not sure if that was an error on his part. Maybe Christine or someone close to her can clarify.

With that said, I'll go with the October due date. So she's still in the early stages of her pregnancy and finding a job would not be difficult. An office job would be ideal so she wouldn't have to stay on her feet all day.

There are thousands of women raising children on their own who don't have a choice but to work and support their families.

Yesterday, I also mentioned his family and how surprised I am that they're not getting involved or not that we are aware of. Christine doesn't mention them so I wonder if they're being supportive. If they're helping out with the children and maybe with some of the financial obligations.

I know if I was in a similar situation, my family would be there for me. [/*]

[moonlessnite]

am I remembering right? wasn't there a theory early on to explain both missing men that VF could have been hired to "hit" NF? hence the disappearance of both men? or did I just think that in my head? of course there's nothing to base this theory on as we don't know either men (or anyone close to them), and no one is being accused of anything here. anything is possible until we know exactly what happened.

Originally posted by Envision


I worked in a lumber store here for a few months. Drivers would walk through the store, the yard, the break room, in between shifts...it's very possible VF could have been within the store at the same time NF could have been. Again, if LE discounted and ruled out they did not know each other based on their wives say so, they were negligent in their investigation. In actuality, VF's disappearance is even more mysterious being his wife and family don't seem to care nor have they attempted to investigate it. [/*]

[dianaelaine]

OK ... Time for coffee & donuts !!!

*Sets down tray with fresh brewed steaming coffee and plenty of fresh donuts*

Me thinks we ALL need this, after so much thinking, talking ... and pacing the floor. ;)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Why California?

If I thought he was anywhere, it would be with his dad at that winery. [/*]

I missed the info on the winery. I do remember that his dad makes handcrafted wines, but does he actually have a winery too? Do you know where it is or any other details?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


This was posted on Page 3 but I don't know if it was confirmed - I shouldn't have said winery without knowing for sure

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6...ull.5525201.jpg [/*] [/*]

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/6a4/338/il_fullxfull.5525201.jpg [/*]

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK ... Time for coffee & donuts !!!

*Sets down tray with fresh brewed steaming coffee and plenty of fresh donuts*

Me thinks we ALL need this, after so much thinking, talking ... and pacing the floor. ;) [/*]

Thanks so much - I'll take a chocolate covered please :D

[moonlessnite]

hmm, first, I'll say that her last interview seems much more grasping of reality, and I tend to think she has just been in denial and is waking up.
but then the skeptical side of me thinks, (just wondering about theories here, I'm not making any definitive statements) well, IF this ever was a joint money scam, getting rid of the debt and house and keeping the donations would allow CF to leave the area easily as a possible necessity, and go meet up with NF somewhere debt free, credit relatively intact. it doesn't make sense really, why not just sell the house, file bankruptcy and move somewhere cheaper? was there enough to be gained from donations? I think someone else mentioned this. would this make more sense that it seems to? or is it as far fetched at it seems?

Originally posted by desmom


At the same time she says they have been maintaining his paycheck, she has also said in another article that it's been hard to make ends meet without his income. I guess she's speaking of his "second job" income since she's getting his "first job" income. But with the donations, I still don't know why she says it is hard to make ends meet without is income. She herself says she still have some donation money left, so it seems to me that she actually had more money to work with that she did with his TWO incomes. It just doesn't make sense.

Now I can understand worrying about the future. But I do NOT understand these contradictions about being hard to make ends meet without his income when it seems she's brought in more than they would have with his two jobs.

Am I missing something? [/*]

IMO, you are not missing anything and it sounds like they may have been living beyond their means.

jmo

ETA ~ Gotta run. My son just told me the kitchen faucet is leaking under the sink. :eek: Check in later. [/*][/QUOTE]

[RainyNiteNTx]

from Seattle Eddie...

Looks like the father makes wine in Clark County.
http://www.columbiantalk.com/commun...gory.cfm?cat=11

[ThruTheTrees]

This was posted on Page 3 but I don't know if it was confirmed - I shouldn't have said winery without knowing for sure

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6...ull.5525201.jpg [/*] [/*]
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ETA - the last link doesn't work now - I thought it did earlier.

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The photos are from a winery on Whidbey Island, which is northwest of Seattle on Puget Sound. There is a google link that shows his father is the contact for the "CLARK COUNTY HOME WINEMAKERS GROUP". Since it mentions "home" winemakers and he is in Vancouver WA (on the southern border of WA, across from Oregon), I would be inclined to say that he doesn't have a winery, but rather makes wine at home as a hobby.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
This was posted on Page 3 but I don't know if it was confirmed - I shouldn't have said winery without knowing for sure

Originally posted by SHinS
Does NF father owns a winery?
Maybe he's hiding there...

Could this be it?
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522


http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=5177522

http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6...ull.5525201.jpg [/*] [/*]
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ETA - the last link doesn't work now - I thought it did earlier.

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The photos are from a winery on Whidbey Island, which is northwest of Seattle on Puget Sound. There is a google link that shows his father is the contact for the "CLARK COUNTY HOME WINEMAKERS GROUP". Since it mentions "home" winemakers and he is in Vancouver WA (on the southern border of WA, across from Oregon), I would be inclined to say that he doesn't have a winery, but rather makes wine at home as a hobby. [/*]

Oh okay - thanks -

does Puget Sound keep coming up for some reason or another?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
hmm, first, I'll say that her last interview seems much more grasping of reality, and I tend to think she has just been in denial and is waking up.
but then the skeptical side of me thinks, (just wondering about theories here, I'm not making any definitive statements) well, IF this ever was a joint money scam, getting rid of the debt and house and keeping the donations would allow CF to leave the area easily as a possible necessity, and go meet up with NF somewhere debt free, credit relatively intact. it doesn't make sense really, why not just sell the house, file bankruptcy and move somewhere cheaper? was there enough to be gained from donations? I think someone else mentioned this. would this make more sense that it seems to? or is it as far fetched at it seems?


Is it really possible to maintain a good credit rating by walking away from a mortgaged home? I can't see how that would be. I haven't understood that in Christine's statements. Seems like selling the house would be the best way to save her credit, but maybe she can't sell it without Nicholas's signature too.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks so much - I'll take a chocolate covered please :D [/*]

Well Rainy, looks like you and I get ALL the donuts .. since nobody else has taken any yet. :lol:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Envision


Anything is possible but what I don't get is how easily LE dismissed VF's disappearance as a "personal family matter". [/*]

Well if you think about it, they haven't really knocked themselves out over Nicholas either. I just feel the way they have handled both of these cases is questionable.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth
It would also depend on the amount of equity in their house. I know my house in the past year has gone down in value almost $200,000. I don't know about the housing market in Seattle, but if their house is worth now what they paid for it, that could make a huge difference. [/*]

Ouch! (your house value drop). Values have held pretty steady in this area, but they bought the house just 2 years ago and if they financed 100% (seems possible since notes by 2 different mortgage companies were filed the same day on the house, which could indicate a 1st and 2nd -- also would mean they may have avoided paying PMI), then even if the value has gone up some, it might not cover the costs of selling. Say it's gone up 10% in 2 years -- well after excise taxes and realtor fees, most if not all of the appreciation will be eaten up in costs. Of course it might have gone up more.

[decor]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
from Seattle Eddie...

Looks like the father makes wine in Clark County.
http://www.columbiantalk.com/commun...gory.cfm?cat=11 [/*]

can anyone else see this or are they getting an error like I am?


I am beginning to wonder if the person taking Nick's pictures down along with a few other things may be Nick himself and NOT Christine.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


can anyone else see this or are they getting an error like I am?


I am beginning to wonder if the person taking Nick's pictures down along with a few other things may be Nick himself and NOT Christine. [/*]

Does this link work? http://www.columbiantalk.com/community/clubs/viewCategory.cfm?cat=17

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Ouch! (your house value drop). Values have held pretty steady in this area, but they bought the house just 2 years ago and if they financed 100% (seems possible since notes by 2 different mortgage companies were filed the same day on the house, which could indicate a 1st and 2nd -- also would mean they may have avoided paying PMI), then even if the value has gone up some, it might not cover the costs of selling. Say it's gone up 10% in 2 years -- well after excise taxes and realtor fees, most if not all of the appreciation will be eaten up in costs. Of course it might have gone up more. [/*]

FWIW, here's the info on their house value from Zillow:

ZESTIMATE®: $274,000
* Value Range: $241,120 - $287,700
* 30-day change: -$3,500
* Zestimate updated: 03/12/2008

Last sale and tax info

Sold 02/27/2006:
$260,000
2007 Property Tax:
$2,546

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Beth
It would also depend on the amount of equity in their house. I know my house in the past year has gone down in value almost $200,000. I don't know about the housing market in Seattle, but if their house is worth now what they paid for it, that could make a huge difference. [/*]

WOW! you must live in a castle! We'll all be over for donuts and coffee later!!! ;)

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by carterkatt


WOW! you must live in a castle! We'll all be over for donuts and coffee later!!! ;) [/*]

Little ole me just lives in a little teeny apartment, but we'll make room for you guys somehow. :D

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Does this link work? http://www.columbiantalk.com/community/clubs/viewCategory.cfm?cat=17 [/*]

yes, thank you

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth
It would also depend on the amount of equity in their house. I know my house in the past year has gone down in value almost $200,000. I don't know about the housing market in Seattle, but if their house is worth now what they paid for it, that could make a huge difference. [/*]

I think it was reported they bought their home in 2006. IMO, they would not have much equity. If she is going to try to get out from under the mortgage, maybe she should try a take over payment type sale. There have been several sale like that around here.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/350266_housing07.html

Gardner expects area home prices to decline 5 percent in 2008, with larger drops in rural areas than closer to employment centers.

But real estate brokers said that right now, high inventory and low interest rates are bringing out buyers and helping perk up the market.

jmo

[desmom]

Originally posted by Envision


Anything is possible but what I don't get is how easily LE dismissed VF's disappearance as a "personal family matter". [/*]

Maybe it is a separation situation and he just forgot to tell her they were separating. After he found out he had been reported missing, he contacted her.

:shrug:

[murdershewrote]

I don't think she can sell the house without his signature, I think we've confirmed that they were both on the deed. Remember, Scott Peterson tried to sell their house but couldn't because there was no proof at that time of Laci's death.

[isitme]

One possible reason some sites are suddenly not visable - sometimes when a person sees a lot of hits to their site they wll shut it down, temporarily or permenantly. It happens often when there is something that comes up and the link is passed around. So whoever owns that winery site, NF's dad or someone else, may have had a ton of hits suddenly and they feel it is best to close it.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by desmom


Maybe it is a separation situation and he just forgot to tell her they were separating. After he found out he had been reported missing, he contacted her.

:shrug: [/*]

Shouldn't they take him off the "missing persons" websites then?

[dianaelaine]

It's been so quiet in here today. :shrug:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme
One possible reason some sites are suddenly not visable - sometimes when a person sees a lot of hits to their site they wll shut it down, temporarily or permenantly. It happens often when there is something that comes up and the link is passed around. So whoever owns that winery site, NF's dad or someone else, may have had a ton of hits suddenly and they feel it is best to close it. [/*]

Usually when I send a link I check it right after it sends - it worked when I sent it - but I see someone got it going again. I think you are right isitme because West Seattle blog had a little note "with people still up all over and around this site..." so I guess they do know how much activity they are getting.