Discussion - March 14th.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Have a great nite Figirit, I'll see you here soon. Between now and Monday i hope that NF is found safe; and sound, and alive.

Last night I went to bed and had wrote on another forum, cant just one little child be found alive and today she was found alive!! I was just so grateful, shannon was found alive in the UK! I can only hope for the same for Nicholas; and his family. Monday I go under the knife, hopefully for the last time! So I hope you will all post links if you have them to whatever news there is in this case.
I know that some really think that I am here to berate CF, however, that's not my intent. I'm looking for the truth.
I just cant stand it when I dont think I've been told the truth......

Since his wife isnt saying this in the Media,
Nicholas!! You are loved so much, you obviously have a great talent a loving family who is so worried about you. Please call someone. Just let someone know you are alive. We've all read so much about you. Please come home.

(isnt that what a wife would say?)

Hold Down the Fort Ppl :D
CT [/*]

Cat I was at work when news she had been found was out and I sat and, no didn't cry, only cause I was at work, might have to work on that one, but the tears were there unshed..
NF we miss you, we think about you and we hope that you know this... Wherever you are!

[Pam]

Originally posted by soyesterday

besides his poor kids of course.....
i don't know, but if he didn't know it before, and he was watching all this from behind the scenes...
if i were him i would have no doubt that she doesn't really love me.
I mean poor Nicholas really.
His loving wife of how many years, the mother of his precious children is ready to write him off.
Erase his memory.
To me, it seems like she will miss his contribution financially more than anything.
I just can't help thinking like this...
and i can't look at pictures of them together, cuz it creeps me out.
Sorry. [/*]

If he did walk....I'm sure walking away from his kids was the hardest part.

I've known two women in my life and my husband's father ...that walked away from their life without a second glance. It's not the right thing, and hurts those left behind, but it does happen more than we think it does.

[SHinS]

Originally posted by figritout


She creeps me out. I looked at the recent interview and it made my stomache turn.. [/*]


Same here.

[figritout]

Originally posted by mc528



Do you mean my first post here.....or the one from this past weekend when I outlined the five possible scenarios that I thought would be a perfect "48 Hours" episode. I'd be glad to repost any of what I've written here already. :) I'll dig them up now, and repost them. [/*]

Hey mc528, I just know that the first time I thought I read a post from you my head shot up.. So since I have been reading, I hope from the beginning, it was one of your first. But I am not the sharpest tool in the shed at times. If you think people here might take offense at my laziness and the space a post might take up, please feel free to pm me.. I do appreciate it.. Thanks...

[desmom]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Have a great nite Figirit, I'll see you here soon. Between now and Monday i hope that NF is found safe; and sound, and alive.

Last night I went to bed and had wrote on another forum, cant just one little child be found alive and today she was found alive!! I was just so grateful, shannon was found alive in the UK! I can only hope for the same for Nicholas; and his family. Monday I go under the knife, hopefully for the last time! So I hope you will all post links if you have them to whatever news there is in this case.
I know that some really think that I am here to berate CF, however, that's not my intent. I'm looking for the truth.
I just cant stand it when I dont think I've been told the truth......

Since his wife isnt saying this in the Media,
Nicholas!! You are loved so much, you obviously have a great talent a loving family who is so worried about you. Please call someone. Just let someone know you are alive. We've all read so much about you. Please come home.

(isnt that what a wife would say?)

Hold Down the Fort Ppl :D
CT [/*]

Cat - we will be thinking about you Monday. Hope this is the last time. :rose:


Making sticky note for computer monitor "post NF news links in links thread"

[mc528]

Originally posted by figritout


Hey mc528, I just know that the first time I thought I read a post from you my head shot up.. So since I have been reading, I hope from the beginning, it was one of your first. But I am not the sharpest tool in the shed at times. If you think people here might take offense at my laziness and the space a post might take up, please feel free to pm me.. I do appreciate it.. Thanks... [/*]


How about I PM you with the links to the couple that I mentioned.....I just brought up all of my posts in another window, so finding them isn't a problem (the "search" button here is really great, I'm loving it!). Then if you think others might want to see anything again, I'd be glad to copy it over to this thread.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
This is really very possible. I find her to be high maintenance, and that's evident from how much public opinion of her matters.......her priority's are a mess. Thats a fact.

You know what I say, what loving wife, would ERASE PHOTOS of her husband that she KNOWS IS DEAD, after he's been gone a month, how does she justify that? What in her mind gives her the right to erase him like that from his pages, going into his accts, and taking his photos down? You know what I see, I dont see many photos of them together on their pages anyway. There are some travel photos, but not very many at all. Not for 7 yrs worth; and since they love photog so much why take down his photos, who would do that? Maybe someone who wants to erase their spouse? :shrug: [/*]

CT, I love your direct attitude. It's great to read your posts, straight up, no BS. thank you.

[figritout]

Originally posted by mc528



How about I PM you with the links to the couple that I mentioned.....I just brought up all of my posts in another window, so finding them isn't a problem (the "search" button here is really great, I'm loving it!). Then if you think others might want to see anything again, I'd be glad to copy it over to this thread. [/*]

Your awesome, thank you so much!

[figritout]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


CT, I love your direct attitude. It's great to read your posts, straight up, no BS. thank you. [/*]

OOh yeah I agree, No pussing footing around with her. I think she says, what I wish I had the guts to say..

[mc528]

Originally posted by figritout


Your awesome, thank you so much! [/*]



Check your PM's.....just sent it

[Pam]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Nite Pam, you knw there is part of me that keeps thinking, well what if he had an incident, a mental break, I posted earlier I never heard word ONE about all the Hospitals being called or checked, I would be driving to every single one looking for any John Does.

One place I wouldnt be would be blogging online. I say put some gas in your car and go find your runaway man, CF. Why Arn't you looking for him? Throw the kids in strollers and get out there.
I expect a campaign and I expect you to pound the pavement, and you're not and that really bothers me. I know my husband would look for me......he would never stop looking for me.
It makes me angry that ppl claim they love someone, like Drew Peterson, yet, they really dont search or look for their SO, they ask for money, worry about their future, and talk about themselves. It's all about them. Hinky Meter!!
Nite All See you soon
CT [/*]

Once again I have to agree with you! If it was my husband that was missing, I sure wouldn't be sitting at the computer....I'd be pounding the pavement, knocking on doors, calling everyone I could think of....and , pushing the media and LE to step it up! I guess bills and finances would be the last thing on my mind.

CF's online remarks have not set right with me from the beginning! Something very off there!

Nite CT...gonna call it a night real soon myself.

[figritout]

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Thanks Des y'all know that I've about had it lol!! Nite see ya soon
Cat [/*]

Cat don't go away, we need you here, despite.... Those....

[figritout]

Originally posted by mc528




Check your PM's.....just sent it [/*]

Got it, Thanks!!!!

[need2no]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yep Yep, it's like childs play. Yes I did follow those; actually the whole thing. We had such a bonding exp with PS I, 7 mos we were all here. I miss Judge Fidler! Shout out to Mrs Fidler
Justice for Lana :rose:
IT's probably why I see some kind of connection, something that reminds of of Mel, a coldness....it's that ME ME ME whatabout ME
Thing.

Truth for Nicholas Francisco [/*]

I so hope Lana gets justice one day. It's been a long wait already.

Yes, MM defines self absorbed. The video diary thing shown on 48 hours was a trip and a half! I don't think I'll ever forget most of that case.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
I don't think I have seen anyone say anything about this but am I the only one who noticed that in all of CF's on line stuff she talks about God and being a stay at home mother but NF's has none of this? Closes is the sets of pictures of this kids that have now been deleted. No mention that I can find of God and only a few about being married. Everything else is just like every other nerd on the net. Another one of those little things that make me think he may not have been everything that CF thinks he is. Meaning he might have just walked away from all the pressure. [/*]

Silver...I can't comment on NF's comments about God...haven't read all...but yes Christine states alot about God. I am a Christian, have been for a very long time. Not one of those high and mighty types, I'm a sinner who has been forgiven and continues to be forgiven. I've been involved in a church in a leadership role, so know both sides of it. The regular come to church, praise and worship folks and the inside, know how the church works, business, leadership side.
Two different sides. I'm not judging, just stating my opinion, Christine to me has come off as a Christian that mentions and proclaims God to her advantage. There is a certain 'language' that I have learned to recognize. I'm not saying she is not a Christian, but, the way she speaks, she comes off as a Christian who uses this as gain for herself. This goes against all teachings of Christ. I'm not saying I'm better than any one else, no way, and no better than Christine. Going by how she speaks of her leaning on God seems right and good. But, when she throws in the wanting of prayers for $$ in hopes of keeping her from bankruptcy and foreclosure, that to me, throws the teachings of Christ right out the window. We as Christians are called to be humble and express gratitude. Not to be public about our monetary problems. God knows our problems and to publicly go forth and state that...bottom line...she needs money...just does not sit right with me. She has asked...in the name of God, for prayers and state her monetary problems, before the last couple of days...before the pleading of the well being of her husband is IMO IMO IMO not right.
Her husband, her children should have come FIRST. Then God honors the rest of her concerns. Not the mention of her financial problems first. Sorry if I've offended anyone, but, as I said, I'm a Christian and I will speak what I feel as Jesus taught and take the hits as they come.
Let's see, I need to add again JMO, MOO, IMO, MHO and any other OOO's I didn't cover.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Silver...I can't comment on NF's comments about God...haven't read all...but yes Christine states alot about God. I am a Christian, have been for a very long time. Not one of those high and mighty types, I'm a sinner who has been forgiven and continues to be forgiven. I've been involved in a church in a leadership role, so know both sides of it. The regular come to church, praise and worship folks and the inside, know how the church works, business, leadership side.
Two different sides. I'm not judging, just stating my opinion, Christine to me has come off as a Christian that mentions and proclaims God to her advantage. There is a certain 'language' that I have learned to recognize. I'm not saying she is not a Christian, but, the way she speaks, she comes off as a Christian who uses this as gain for herself. This goes against all teachings of Christ. I'm not saying I'm better than any one else, no way, and no better than Christine. Going by how she speaks of her leaning on God seems right and good. But, when she throws in the wanting of prayers for $$ in hopes of keeping her from bankruptcy and foreclosure, that to me, throws the teachings of Christ right out the window. We as Christians are called to be humble and express gratitude. Not to be public about our monetary problems. God knows our problems and to publicly go forth and state that...bottom line...she needs money...just does not sit right with me. She has asked...in the name of God, for prayers and state her monetary problems, before the last couple of days...before the pleading of the well being of her husband is IMO IMO IMO not right.
Her husband, her children should have come FIRST. Then God honors the rest of her concerns. Not the mention of her financial problems first. Sorry if I've offended anyone, but, as I said, I'm a Christian and I will speak what I feel as Jesus taught and take the hits as they come.
Let's see, I need to add again JMO, MOO, IMO, MHO and any other OOO's I didn't cover. [/*]

Haven't offended me.. LOL.. It is what it is..And you say it quite succinctly.. Don't be afraid here, as I was, let's just say it.. I am with you...

[isitme]

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Originally posted by PerneciaJane


This isn't necessarily just in answer to your post only. A few days ago Harlett stated on this board that if she were working this case she would tell CF to remove everything from the internet and stop answering the crime boards. Harlett is now working the Francisco and Fale cases so in my opinion that is why you are seeing all these photos and other things being removed.

This is not meant to bash anyone it is just my opinion based on information I read here on the Francisco board.

I highly respect Harlett. [/*]

This may be a odd question but what exactly is meant by the statement "Harlett is now working the Francisco and Fale cases . . ."? I know who Harlett is. I have figured out, I believe, that Harlett is an investigator (PI I think). And I know what "working the case" means. But by "working the cases" do you mean in a professional, being paid, talking with CF and Mrs. Fale, capacity? OR just as an interested person working more on figuring out those two cases?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth
I know somebody mentioned it, but I keep thinking about it. Can you imagine if NF is/has read this board? WTH must he be thinking about him being "dead", his photos being erased, his personal accounts being deleted, no pleas for him to come home. Worst of all, no "i love you's"

JMO [/*]

I have thought about this a lot too. I suppose if he ran off with a lover to start a new life and reads and hears what Christine is saying, he either would know she knows what he did and is (justifiably) hurt or angry. Maybe then he would feel guilty, embarrassed, and ashamed at what a circus this has become, if it was all motivated by a selfish (and dare I say "cowardly") action on his part to leave on Valentine's Eve.

Now, if he ran off with someone but is certain she doesn't know what he's done, then maybe her reactions would actually make him somehow feel "justified" in why he left. Like "well she obviously doesn't love me anyway, so good riddance". (but still, dude, if you're reading, you gotta take care of your kids regardless)

Now, if he left to protect himself or his family, or under some kind of stress/duress or depression, I think the way she's handling this would only make him feel worse and want to stay away.

JMO!

[need2no]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok i think i'm caught up again
has christine ever said in an interview or her blogs or anywhere how much she loves Nicholas and doesn't want to be w/out him?
has she ever given a reason for trying to erase his memory?
just wonderin.... [/*]

Well since you asked, I don't believe she has outright said she loves him, not that I could find or recall. So I went on a search and thought it would be interesting to review some of what she has said since the beginning:

GRACE: Christine Francisco, Nicholas` wife, is with us. Christine, what happened that day? Anything at all out of the ordinary?

FRANCISCO: Nope. Perfectly normal. He got up with the kids like he always does, makes them breakfast and spends time with them before he has to go to work. He came in, he brings me coffee every morning. He`s so sweet and -- he kissed me good-bye. And he left for work. I talked to him through the day and he sounded fine. And then I talked to him for the last time at 6:00.

GRACE: What did he say?

FRANCISCO: I called him to ask him when he was going to be home, if he was on his way, and he said I just have to sign off on something and then I`ll stop at Costco and I love you, Bella. And that`s the last I heard of my husband. He had plans to make cookies with his 4-year-old little girl and there`s no way, no way in the world he would miss that.


"I am begging everybody, begging everybody to please, please help me find my husband because I cannot live my life without him," she said.

"If you can't find him, these kids won't have a daddy then," Christine said in an interview, breaking into tears. "This unborn baby won't have a daddy."

""We just need him to come home,"

He told me he loved me," she said.

"My husband is missing and he would come home if he could,"
He would not run out on his family ever," she said.

Christine Francisco said her husband is a religious man who loved being a father to the couple's two toddlers and was thrilled to learn on his birthday last month that she was expecting their third child.

She said he would never voluntarily walk away from his responsibilities to his family.

"He is not a coward," she said. CHRISTINE FRANCISCO, NICHOLAS' WIFE:

There isn't anything new other than that his car was found Monday. And that's so frustrating, more than I can express how frustrating that is.
"He is gone. That's all I know. He just vanished. There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is," she said. "There is no trace of him left."

"Even if he needed a break, he would call and tell me that. We are his life, we are the center of his life," said Christine Francisco.

."My husband is missing and he would come home if he could,"
He would not run out on his family ever," she said.

all of his emails have been read by me as our email is on a server that i can access from my computer. thank the Lord that he told me the password and that I remembered it. there are no important emails that link to this case. his phone doesn't have gps. I don't care what the news says my husband would not run off on me, just ask everyone who is helping and praying that have met him. there is nothing on his work computer either. he really was on his way home. he loved his family with his whole heart and then some. they might bring the police dogs out tonight. keep praying. keep looking.


C. FRANCISCO: The car was found at some condominiums in Federal Way, and I have no idea why it's there. It should not be there. My husband has no reason to be there. His car has no reason to be there.

. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave.

"we left the church to search for another that better fits our family's needs"

There's a point you have to face the facts," Francisco said on Friday. "You can't sit and hide in a corner your whole life, especially if you have kids. His disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning; the bills need to be paid."

" People are gossiping about me; they're saying things that are untrue," she said. "It's like junior high school. It's ridiculous."

"It's been a month of hell. I'm in agonizing torture. It keeps getting worse . The nightmare keeps getting worse," says Christine Francisco.

Christine has been doing her best to take care of their two young children, during this whole ordeal. But she admits, it's been hard making ends meet without her husbands income. She says friends, family, and the community have helped tremendously. But now, as if the situation wasn't hard enough, Christine says, " It looks like I will lose the house and have to file for bankruptcy."

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout
Probably will get hammered for this one. But Ct actually to me is right on track.. But she has a way about saying it all.. Probably cause she doesn't "pussy foot" around.. I am not really brave so I vacillate. It think hey, " I don't want to hurt CF" or have severe rebuttals from folks here. So every now and then I will pop in as I keep up and make a statement. Sometimes one that seems harsh, but is really something I am irritated at.. etc. CT just doesn't have the fear factor some of us do. So she says it like it is in her own language. Look beyond what you might be offended and and look at the logic.. She has something.. [/*]

I'm not hammer ing you. No way. And I agree. I also don't want to 'hurt CF or have severe rebuttals. And I'm a Cat Toy fan simply because of what you stated...let me put it a differnent way she has the ba*** to say what I think and am too :chicken: to say.
I think I'm going to take some lessons from her.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by decor


I'm sorry I didn't realize you were LE. [/*]

I'm not LE, but I'm intelligent and have been following true crime for a long while. And I'm at an age where I have seen many scenarios play out in a way that is least expected from the 'general public'.
Thank you for thinking I'm LE, I take that as a compliment.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



Excellent post! I have been away from this thread for a while, since it was beginning to drive me nuts. Coming back to it, I see my original suspicions are even stronger. Christine's behavior is extremely bizarre. I don't know what happened but I think she might.

I have stopped caring about what anyone says about those of us who question Christine's freaky behavior. The world is a great big place and there are lots of crimes to discuss. Everyone is entitled to an opinion (or two)....mine opinion is that Christine is "in the know." [/*]

Thank you sherry.
I'm beginning to stop being afraid of others caring and/or jumping of me for what my opinions are...as you can see in my recent posts. I also think Christine is 'in the know' if not worse.
JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Silver...I can't comment on NF's comments about God...haven't read all...but yes Christine states alot about God. I am a Christian, have been for a very long time. Not one of those high and mighty types, I'm a sinner who has been forgiven and continues to be forgiven. I've been involved in a church in a leadership role, so know both sides of it. The regular come to church, praise and worship folks and the inside, know how the church works, business, leadership side.
Two different sides. I'm not judging, just stating my opinion, Christine to me has come off as a Christian that mentions and proclaims God to her advantage. There is a certain 'language' that I have learned to recognize. I'm not saying she is not a Christian, but, the way she speaks, she comes off as a Christian who uses this as gain for herself. This goes against all teachings of Christ. I'm not saying I'm better than any one else, no way, and no better than Christine. Going by how she speaks of her leaning on God seems right and good. But, when she throws in the wanting of prayers for $$ in hopes of keeping her from bankruptcy and foreclosure, that to me, throws the teachings of Christ right out the window. We as Christians are called to be humble and express gratitude. Not to be public about our monetary problems. God knows our problems and to publicly go forth and state that...bottom line...she needs money...just does not sit right with me. She has asked...in the name of God, for prayers and state her monetary problems, before the last couple of days...before the pleading of the well being of her husband is IMO IMO IMO not right.
Her husband, her children should have come FIRST. Then God honors the rest of her concerns. Not the mention of her financial problems first. Sorry if I've offended anyone, but, as I said, I'm a Christian and I will speak what I feel as Jesus taught and take the hits as they come.
Let's see, I need to add again JMO, MOO, IMO, MHO and any other OOO's I didn't cover. [/*]

I concur with your thoughts and will add: God helps those who help themselves. Christine sounds like she has just tossed her problems on others and expects them and God to handle it, and seems to believe God will determine the outcome so there is nothing she can or should be doing. I don't think that's how it works.

ETA: I usually stay away from politics and religion on the boards, but your post was too good to pass over without a comment.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I'm not hammer ing you. No way. And I agree. I also don't want to 'hurt CF or have severe rebuttals. And I'm a Cat Toy fan simply because of what you stated...let me put it a differnent way she has the ba*** to say what I think and am too :chicken: to say.
I think I'm going to take some lessons from her. [/*]

These little icons of chickens and funny faces are going to drive me nuts.. Am with you though.. And you know what? She has been here awhile.. I think I look, right now as being a new person, and anything I might do is wrong.. And the minute people start targeting me I disappear.. Here is where the diffence might be between CT and I .. She has the **** to say it as it is, and I don't,, but the tides are "a changing"....

Time to look at CF.. Hey where is your husband, I believe you know.. And I am not giving a dime... Not to support a crime.. No Way...

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
TY :eek: I"m passionate about those who take others lives, I'm passionate about human behavior, and for some horrible reason, I see things when ppl lie. I havent been trained to point out when someone is lying, it's just this horrible 6th sense type of thing that I have. And I admit that I have it. And I hate it.
I love human behavior. I'm one of those ppl watchers in rw.

But, I also use common sense when looking at these cases. When a persons behavior doesnt add up, I sit here and add it all up, and after doing that.......well. Then it's there in black n white to look at like a graph or a whiteboard. When Ppl lie, their faces twitch and make these very suttle changes. Not everyone sees these. I am one of those ppl that does. Without even trying to; I just know right away. If your on camera, or in front of me and you lie to me? Oh Boy. :D :punch: [/*]

I'm with you on the lying thing... I HATE it when people lie. And after many years of dealing with an ex who lied and had to learn the hard way...I have finally learned to listen to my gut.
The truth never changes, the lies change, sometimes in tiny ways, but when you put the tiny things together...well ya can just tell.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Beth


And, up to a point I totally agree with that. Her kid's pictures should have been removed immediately once this case hit the airwaves and it became somewhat high profile.

As far as her (CF) addressing anybody, well, I always thought that was a huge mistake on her part.

It's the photos of NF himself that I question being removed. He is afterall, the one who is missing and removing any exposure of him off of any site just doesn't make sense.

It's the accounts where he's sent people messages that I question being removed. Not necessarily his photos at all, just his words. What reason would there be to remove these types of things and close these types of accounts?

It's the lack of "i love you" and "we miss you if you can hear me" in her interviews that is disturbing to me. All I hear out of her mouth is "money, money, money". There is only so much you can blame on the reporter and I seriously doubt any credible reporter would omit a wife's emotional plea for her husband to come home.

This is just my opinion and my observation. I wish I could see something positive in her interviews. Lord knows I've tried. [/*]
AMEN!!!!
She makes me so angry.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
I started answering that, need2no and it was too long and would have created too much dissension.

Count the "me" and "I"' and then count the "Nicks"

Basically, that's the paraphrased version of how I feel. [/*]

As I located, copied and pasted her statements it was a real head shaker I'll tell you that. Me, me, me.

He told me he loved me
We are his life the center of his life, he wouldn't leave us

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout

My friend dial up almost did me in.. Seriously I feel for you... LOL.. On a seriuos note, and I hope you don't mind me using my reply to you to point this out.. I don't like that the little guys hammeing each other on the head automatically post in place of words I have used, any more than I like vomitting little heads in posts.. This is a crime session, why would I like little guys hitting each other on the head? I don't... Please CW make this an option not a given.. Unless there is a way I can make it not happen that I don't know about.. I don't subsribe to violence, not even in little cartoon characters.. Sorry, off topic, maybe..? [/*]

I get you fig on the icons, I especially dislike the vomiting one, but sometimes they just seem to fit since on these message boards we should be using as few words as possible, so hence the icons express what words would take up space.
;)

[mc528]

Originally posted by need2no


As I located, copied and pasted her statements it was a real head shaker I'll tell you that. Me, me, me.

He told me he loved me
We are his life the center of his life, he wouldn't leave us [/*]


Very similar theme in the postings I've read of hers on sites and blogs too....so it wasn't just in interviews that this message was conveyed. There are at least as many as what you have in your post from other places that are worded pretty much the same way. Definitely a message coming through, loud and clear, just not the one I think CF was thinking she was sending. IMO/JMO/MOO

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by isitme
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Originally posted by PerneciaJane


This isn't necessarily just in answer to your post only. A few days ago Harlett stated on this board that if she were working this case she would tell CF to remove everything from the internet and stop answering the crime boards. Harlett is now working the Francisco and Fale cases so in my opinion that is why you are seeing all these photos and other things being removed.

This is not meant to bash anyone it is just my opinion based on information I read here on the Francisco board.

I highly respect Harlett. [/*]

This may be a odd question but what exactly is meant by the statement "Harlett is now working the Francisco and Fale cases . . ."? I know who Harlett is. I have figured out, I believe, that Harlett is an investigator (PI I think). And I know what "working the case" means. But by "working the cases" do you mean in a professional, being paid, talking with CF and Mrs. Fale, capacity? OR just as an interested person working more on figuring out those two cases? [/*]

You will have to ask Harlett those questions as she was the one who stated she is now working on the cases IIRC.

[need2no]

Originally posted by mc528



Very similar theme in the postings I've read of hers on sites and blogs too....so it wasn't just in interviews that this message was conveyed. There are at least as many as what you have in your post from other places that are worded pretty much the same way. Definitely a message coming through, loud and clear, just not the one I think CF was thinking she was sending. IMO/JMO/MOO [/*]


I agree, I've read many of those as well but didn't want CW to get me for copying the blogs here. I think the rule on that is we either link or paraphrase what was said.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SHinS



And that is precisely what I meant when I said "CF has got all of you here subdued"(my post; 2 days ago), indirectly that is.
By making you feel guilty for saying certain things about her, she's managed to "control" what's being written here.

I think she's a manipulative individual.
Each time I read another of her heavily 'sprinkled' posts with hints "more $$ please" I can't help but shake my head in disbelief... she's certainly slick when it comes to pulling on people's heart strings. :no: [/*]

Well there you go SHinS, I know I posted how I was subdued, but you know, you touched on something I didn't realize and now as you have seen from my post this evening, I'm not subdued any longer. Oh yes, there are still things I'm not posting, still a tad askeered to, but, thank you I think I'm finally opening up as I haven't before.
:beer:

[mc528]

Originally posted by need2no



I agree, I've read many of those as well but didn't want CW to get me for copying the blogs here. I think the rule on that is we either link or paraphrase what was said. [/*]


Yep.....that's why I didn't copy them here either (and too lazy to link them all :D )

[figritout]

Ok, here is what is sad to me..

NF is ==== And CF is out there, free to beg for money, and oh yes, more money,
And in the mean time, what is LE doing.. Is a crime going undiscovered.. It's been a month.. Where will the evidence be??? Is this going to be unsolved? UGH!! Oh my goodness, I think I might be sick.. They, "LE", need to get with it..

IF this were a woman, or god forbid my "cat"" they would not be getting away with this... go on vacation? wait for prints? the poor wife?... What are they thinking,,

They are in the proverbial box.. LE that is.. And unfortunately CF is going to prosper because of it.. And don't give me BS, CF fans cause if you had an ounce of?... What has she been doing? Looking for her husband, no, she has been fundraising from the beginning.. Where in the heck is the family? That is quite telling..

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Have a great nite Figirit, I'll see you here soon. Between now and Monday i hope that NF is found safe; and sound, and alive.

Last night I went to bed and had wrote on another forum, cant just one little child be found alive and today she was found alive!! I was just so grateful, shannon was found alive in the UK! I can only hope for the same for Nicholas; and his family. Monday I go under the knife, hopefully for the last time! So I hope you will all post links if you have them to whatever news there is in this case.
I know that some really think that I am here to berate CF, however, that's not my intent. I'm looking for the truth.
I just cant stand it when I dont think I've been told the truth......

Since his wife isnt saying this in the Media,
Nicholas!! You are loved so much, you obviously have a great talent a loving family who is so worried about you. Please call someone. Just let someone know you are alive. We've all read so much about you. Please come home.

(isnt that what a wife would say?)

Hold Down the Fort Ppl :D
CT [/*]

CT, I feel the same!!!
And believe me when I say this, you will be in my prayers all weekend as you go 'under the knife'. I don't know the particulars, don't need to, God knows and he will be with you.
Come back soon and know I love and care for you.
Truth. I speak it and I know it will come out.
:rose:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout
Ok, here is what is sad to me..

NF is ==== And CF is out there, free to beg for money, and oh yes, more money,
And in the mean time, what is LE doing.. Is a crime going undiscovered.. It's been a month.. Where will the evidence be??? Is this going to be unsolved? UGH!! Oh my goodness, I think I might be sick.. They, "LE", need to get with it..

IF this were a woman, or god forbid my "cat"" they would not be getting away with this... go on vacation? wait for prints? the poor wife?... What are they thinking,,

They are in the proverbial box.. LE that is.. And unfortunately CF is going to prosper because of it.. And don't give me BS, CF fans cause if you had an ounce of?... What has she been doing? Looking for her husband, no, she has been fundraising from the beginning.. Where in the heck is the family? That is quite telling.. [/*]

Speaking of the family, I just watched this video that was linked from WS (probably it is in the Links here too), and Nick's dad is in it briefly. It is from the day the car was found: http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html

[mc528]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/

Lets all read this again

CT [/*]


I've thought, since I first read of this that there could be some sort of connection to NF being missing.....even though the Publicis players mentioned seem to be from NYC and Chicago. (in this computer age, geographic location in a big company like Publicis doesn't mean much). It is interesting that the story *broke* in the Wall Street Journal on 2/15....maybe just another coincidence. IMO

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by need2no


We are his life the center of his life, he wouldn't leave us [/*]

This to me, in my opinion, sounds like it is a learned teaching from Church.

Not unusual to learn in an Evangelical church. A lot that you all are seeing and criticizing was most likely taught at Mars Hill, especially the wife does not work, husband takes care of bills etc.

If you have never spent a lot of time in an Evangelical church you will see her as strange.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Envision
I so wish the "E" site did have logging capabilities for chat. I don't know if I'd have logged though anyway but if I am sure someone would have and shown it already. You'd be able to see how she so negatively spoke of her loving husband. It always was about her in there too. He didn't earn enough so she was "forced" to open her business. Never once did she claim it to a break even business but that her aprons were in such high demand she'd sometimes feel overwhelmed by it all. [/*]

On April 21, 2007 she wrote about how swamped she was because her business was doing so well. She also said she was going to be in the gift issue of Real Simple magazine around Christmas time, but tossed in "well hopefully, but you know how magazines are" She goes on about how blessed she is and how she was already blessed with a wonderful husband.

On the DaWanda (?) thread in April of 2007 she talks about her how her business started and how well it's going. Then she posts... she doesn't understand (appears she may PM'ed or e-mailed one of the bloggers) then was commenting on the blog. Poster writes back saying how lovely her items are and she doesn't understand why she has sold NOTHING. WTH?

Now she tells us she was just breaking even, and she is in financial stress, yet they pay $8 for organic sugar for her products that aren't adding to their income.

And NF was remodeling a room for Christine's fabrics and supplies for a non profitable business.

She also recently said everybody loved Nicholas.

On the prayer blog she is now saying she may have a way of not having to file for bankruptcy, saying she has some people, (and God) helping her.

These constant contradictions are strange to say the least.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Envision
His family didn't even address her by name. His mother called her "the wife" and his children, "the kids". No personalization whatsoever for them. They obviously aren't close knit. [/*]

YEP, where is the family. And please don't tell me about one interview, random moment type thing.. If this god awful scenario was playing out in my life, beleive me it wouldn't be about money. My family would be with me right there... It would be about, "I miss you", "I can't live without you", Please come
home", NOT give me more money... This makes me sick.. Saying it bravely, like I have Learned from the best.. thanks CT... You might not like it folks, but think about it.. It is not rocket science..

[need2no]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


This to me, in my opinion, sounds like it is a learned teaching from Church.

Not unusual to learn in an Evangelical church. A lot that you all are seeing and criticizing was most likely taught at Mars Hill, especially the wife does not work, husband takes care of bills etc.



If you have never spent a lot of time in an Evangelical church you will see her as strange. [/*]

Thanks, so that explains it huh.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Envision
I so wish the "E" site did have logging capabilities for chat. I don't know if I'd have logged though anyway but if I am sure someone would have and shown it already. You'd be able to see how she so negatively spoke of her loving husband. It always was about her in there too. He didn't earn enough so she was "forced" to open her business. Never once did she claim it to a break even business but that her aprons were in such high demand she'd sometimes feel overwhelmed by it all. [/*]


In one of my theories, the chat was logged and sent to NF by someone who did not like CF. In my opinion that would be one of the only reasons he would have walked from his family. I read enough from E posters to see real anger and believe this is a very likely scenario.

[figritout]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Speaking of the family, I just watched this video that was linked from WS (probably it is in the Links here too), and Nick's dad is in it briefly. It is from the day the car was found: http://www.kirotv.com/video/15342171/index.html [/*]

Would your family briefly appear, if you were to disappear.. Not mine. I guess I am blessed.. They would be a dog with a bone, and if my husband were to act like what I have seen CF to act like. He would be the bone.. They know what is right and what is wrong..

[mc528]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane



In one of my theories, the chat was logged and sent to NF by someone who did not like CF. In my opinion that would be one of the only reasons he would have walked from his family. I read enough from E posters to see real anger and believe this is a very likely scenario. [/*]


It is not possible to log chats on the site that Envision is mentioning. The capability does not exist.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Envision
His family didn't even address her by name. His mother called her "the wife" and his children, "the kids". No personalization whatsoever for them. They obviously aren't close knit. [/*]

There was one story about the sisters and how they were very close to Nicholas -- how one had driven all the way from Vancouver when Nicholas & Christine were in dire need of a babysitter.

One photo of Nick with his 3 sisters -- which is no longer on his flickr account since Christine decided to make the photos "disappear into thin air" -- looked like they were happy at least on that trip together.

I really don't understand why she got rid of the photos of him. Kind of strange.

Someone asked if his parents were divorced. I'm not positive, but I did find a divorce proceedings initiated by his dad against his mother back in 1997 -- couldn't see the details to see if they actually went through with it. Sometimes people file and then change their mind or don't complete the process in time and then it just gets dropped from the court until they re-file.

More recently in 2004 there was a petition for legal separation against the dad (didn't say who the respondent was); that one was dismissed late last month (due to no action in a certain amount of time, I think).

Also I saw some financial court cases against the parents in 1983 (when Nick was 3) for nonpayment of some debts, when they lived in Kitsap County.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


This to me, in my opinion, sounds like it is a learned teaching from Church.

Not unusual to learn in an Evangelical church. A lot that you all are seeing and criticizing was most likely taught at Mars Hill, especially the wife does not work, husband takes care of bills etc.

If you have never spent a lot of time in an Evangelical church you will see her as strange. [/*]

I have spent a great deal in an Evangelical church and still find her strange.....

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Beth


And, up to a point I totally agree with that. Her kid's pictures should have been removed immediately once this case hit the airwaves and it became somewhat high profile.

As far as her (CF) addressing anybody, well, I always thought that was a huge mistake on her part.
Snip*

It's the lack of "i love you" and "we miss you if you can hear me" in her interviews that is disturbing to me. [/*]

Beth, I've snipped some of your post, I agree with it but wanted to address these two points...
About her kids pics being removed....that beautiful pic of her daughter, which the last time I looked (this morning) is still there on her blog. This has bothered me and my DD to no end. Does she not know how many pervs are out there seeing this pic? Like duh? That would have been the first pic I would have removed, if I had it there in the first place. My DD asks everyday if it's still there, she's a mom of a 7 yr old son and is well aware of the dangers out there for kids. When I tell her no, it's still there, she threatens to contact CF in no uncertain words to tell her to get it off the internet.
I feel the only person who should have been addressed is her 'sweet husband'. With the I love you, we miss you...etc.
ITA, it is very disturbing to me as well.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


This to me, in my opinion, sounds like it is a learned teaching from Church.

Not unusual to learn in an Evangelical church. A lot that you all are seeing and criticizing was most likely taught at Mars Hill, especially the wife does not work, husband takes care of bills etc.

If you have never spent a lot of time in an Evangelical church you will see her as strange. [/*]

That's an interesting thought. I have wondered how much influence her religious beliefs/expectations might have to do with how she comes across. Maybe their teaching that it is his "duty" to support his family is very strong for her. OTOH, some of the comments she's been reported as saying on the E chat (wearing the pants, and so on) seem a little contradictory to that perspective.

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Well there you go SHinS, I know I posted how I was subdued, but you know, you touched on something I didn't realize and now as you have seen from my post this evening, I'm not subdued any longer. Oh yes, there are still things I'm not posting, still a tad askeered to, but, thank you I think I'm finally opening up as I haven't before.
:beer: [/*]

;)

[figritout]

Originally posted by SHinS


;) [/*]

Don' t be askettered, tAke if from Ct.. Let's go for it..

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Envision
I so wish the "E" site did have logging capabilities for chat. I don't know if I'd have logged though anyway but if I am sure someone would have and shown it already. You'd be able to see how she so negatively spoke of her loving husband. It always was about her in there too. He didn't earn enough so she was "forced" to open her business. Never once did she claim it to a break even business but that her aprons were in such high demand she'd sometimes feel overwhelmed by it all. [/*]


Interesting.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout


Haven't offended me.. LOL.. It is what it is..And you say it quite succinctly.. Don't be afraid here, as I was, let's just say it.. I am with you... [/*]

Thank you. :rose:

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Beth
Very well said, Oregongal. In the spirit of christianity, you spoke what I believe is a true and "real" Christian. [/*]

Thank you :rose:

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by figritout


Would your family briefly appear, if you were to disappear.. Not mine. I guess I am blessed.. They would be a dog with a bone, and if my husband were to act like what I have seen CF to act like. He would be the bone.. They know what is right and what is wrong.. [/*]

Yes, where is his family ?
Why aren't they in the media?
Why are they not out searching,putting up posters, walking the streets?
helping with their grand children?
Are they not worried if their grand children are hungry?

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I have thought about this a lot too. I suppose if he ran off with a lover to start a new life and reads and hears what Christine is saying, he either would know she knows what he did and is (justifiably) hurt or angry. Maybe then he would feel guilty, embarrassed, and ashamed at what a circus this has become, if it was all motivated by a selfish (and dare I say "cowardly") action on his part to leave on Valentine's Eve.

Now, if he ran off with someone but is certain she doesn't know what he's done, then maybe her reactions would actually make him somehow feel "justified" in why he left. Like "well she obviously doesn't love me anyway, so good riddance". (but still, dude, if you're reading, you gotta take care of your kids regardless)

Now, if he left to protect himself or his family, or under some kind of stress/duress or depression, I think the way she's handling this would only make him feel worse and want to stay away.

JMO! [/*]

So totally agree TTT, especially bout the kids!!!

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by mc528



It is not possible to log chats on the site that Envision is mentioning. The capability does not exist. [/*]

Is this chat done on the internet through your computer?
Does it show up on your computer screen?
Are you computer tech savvy?
How do you know it can not be saved on an individual's computer with additional software?

[figritout]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Yes, where is his family ?
Why aren't they in the media?
Why are they not out searching,putting up posters, walking the streets?
helping with their grand children?
Are they not worried if their grand children are hungry? [/*]

I guess we come from a different kind of family? No.. there is something really wrong here.. CF seems to be on her own, Except, excuse me, going to offend some people here I am sure, some really stupid supporters,, Do you not think the family would be front and center, unless there were problems.. OK hit me with your best shot.. Defend this.. There is no defense..

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


That's an interesting thought. I have wondered how much influence her religious beliefs/expectations might have to do with how she comes across. Maybe their teaching that it is his "duty" to support his family is very strong for her. OTOH, some of the comments she's been reported as saying on the E chat (wearing the pants, and so on) seem a little contradictory to that perspective. [/*]
I only have an opinion on her actions that I have seen in print. I do not know anything about what she said in chats as that is only hearsay from people that seem to have an agenda.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


.........

More recently in 2004 there was a petition for legal separation against the dad (didn't say who the respondent was); that one was dismissed late last month (due to no action in a certain amount of time, I think).

Also I saw some financial court cases against the parents in 1983 (when Nick was 3) for nonpayment of some debts, when they lived in Kitsap County. [/*]

I was just looking at that this morning. The other party in the 2004 case was a different woman. If you search under the case # you will find the names of all parties to the suit.

[figritout]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I only have an opinion on her actions that I have seen in print. I do not know anything about what she said in chats as that is only hearsay from people that seem to have an agenda. [/*]

Oh NO.. her chats were quite public for a very long time.. she might have removed them.. but the jest of them lives on. go back through these links.. Don't be ignorant.. Sorry to be harsh.. But have you been following along? Or just kinda hopped in here?

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no


I concur with your thoughts and will add: God helps those who help themselves. Christine sounds like she has just tossed her problems on others and expects them and God to handle it, and seems to believe God will determine the outcome so there is nothing she can or should be doing. I don't think that's how it works.

ETA: I usually stay away from politics and religion on the boards, but your post was too good to pass over without a comment. [/*]

need2no, thank you, and I understand about staying away from politics and religion on the boards. May I add that I would usually never have gotten this personal in my beliefs in any other case. I'm thinking that the Lord may have guided me to speak these things since Christina herself brought his name into this case so often.
God will determine the outcome, but he doesn't expect us to just sit and wait and expect others to do for us. IMO IMO IMO, if she were praying and conversing with the Lord she would hear him saying what we all have been saying, do something. In fact I feel that we are all messengers of the Lord and he's speaking to her thru us with all of our opinions, suggestions, theories. But, she is not hearing.
JMO, MOO, JMOO IMO

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by figritout


I guess we come from a different kind of family? No.. there is something really wrong here.. CF seems to be on her own, Except, excuse me, going to offend some people here I am sure, some really stupid supporters,, Do you not think the family would be front and center, unless there were problems.. OK hit me with your best shot.. Defend this.. There is no defense.. [/*]

I am not one bit stupid and especially where computers or my family are concerned .
If this were my son regardless of his wife I would, come hell or high water, be doing everything in my power to find him. No defence just the plain and simple truth.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by figritout


Oh NO.. her chats were quite public for a very long time.. she might have removed them.. but the jest of them lives on. go back through these links.. Don't be ignorant.. Sorry to be harsh.. But have you been following along? Or just kinda hopped in here? [/*]

Have I, in any post. called any one stupid and ignorant? The chats were not on any link they were on another site and have never been published. Yes you are being harsh because you do not know what I was referring and you just called me ignorant. So do not talk to me again if you can not peacefully agree to disagree.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout


Oh NO.. her chats were quite public for a very long time.. she might have removed them.. but the jest of them lives on. go back through these links.. Don't be ignorant.. Sorry to be harsh.. But have you been following along? Or just kinda hopped in here? [/*]

Just to clarify, the "chats" being discussed here were not really "public" and wouldn't be something she removed or that would be linked, so the comment that someone is being "ignorant" seems misplaced. In fact the chats are "hearsay" -- I give them some weight since they were reported by people who had seen them when Christine chatted in the Etsy chat rooms. I'm not as concerned that there is an "agenda" by those mentioning the chats, but I respect that Pernecia has a different perspective.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no


As I located, copied and pasted her statements it was a real head shaker I'll tell you that. Me, me, me.

He told me he loved me
We are his life the center of his life, he wouldn't leave us [/*]

This is a true sign of a narcissitic personality. My ex was/is a narcissist and that how I can tell from any letters, emails I get from him now or in the recent past, (that's the only way I communicate with him) counting the I's and me's.
And when you put it in print and circle those words...it becomes obvious that's all they care about is themselves.
Go back over each and every post, statement she has ever made and I can almost guarantee the word I, me, my, mine will far outweigh any words like you, ours, yours, him, his.
Very telling...JMO

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I am not one bit stupid and especially where computers or my family are concerned .
If this were my son regardless of his wife I would, come hell or high water, be doing everything in my power to find him. No defence just the plain and simple truth. [/*]

It is so strange that we don't hear from the families at all. Also I have been wondering about the cell phone records -- apparently they were given by TMobile to Christine and then she reportedly turned them over to LE. Unless they were given to her in a sealed envelope and marked "for LE only", I know if I was her, I would have kept a copy for myself and started calling all the numbers to do my own investigating. I wonder if she ever did that.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


I was just looking at that this morning. The other party in the 2004 case was a different woman. If you search under the case # you will find the names of all parties to the suit. [/*]

Interesting -- thank you for that searching tip!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/

Lets all read this again

CT [/*]

Donovan...is that the same who has a blog and been into the find Nicholas thing?
His best friend?:shrug:

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


It is so strange that we don't hear from the families at all. Also I have been wondering about the cell phone records -- apparently they were given by TMobile to Christine and then she reportedly turned them over to LE. Unless they were given to her in a sealed envelope and marked "for LE only", I know if I was her, I would have kept a copy for myself and started calling all the numbers to do my own investigating. I wonder if she ever did that. [/*]

I would have also. I doubt they were marked LE only as she is his spouse. My land line is in my husbands name but I have called and requested all outgoing and incoming calls in a certain month and it was sent to my address no questions ask.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout


YEP, where is the family. And please don't tell me about one interview, random moment type thing.. If this god awful scenario was playing out in my life, beleive me it wouldn't be about money. My family would be with me right there... It would be about, "I miss you", "I can't live without you", Please come
home", NOT give me more money... This makes me sick.. Saying it bravely, like I have Learned from the best.. thanks CT... You might not like it folks, but think about it.. It is not rocket science.. [/*]

You go girl!!!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

I only have an opinion on her actions that I have seen in print. I do not know anything about what she said in chats as that is only hearsay from people that seem to have an agenda. [/*]

K, go for it Pernecia, what is your opinion on her actions?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Envision
I think he has contacted one or more of his family and this is why they are so quietly sitting back now. [/*]

I have thought that a lot too. And kind of hope that is the case.

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Envision
I think he has contacted one or more of his family and this is why they are so quietly sitting back now. [/*]

Totally agree.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Envision


My only "agenda" is to get to the truth of the disappearance of NF. If someone is offended by the truth, then they weren't all that honest to begin with, now were they? [/*]

Truth. I wish we knew the truth about NF's disappearence!!!

Well, that's it for me for tonight, going to try and get some sleep. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some news about Nicholas.
:rose:

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Oregongal


K, go for it Pernecia, what is your opinion on her actions? [/*]
I am really undecided just yet. I am stunned that she has never talked to him directly, said I love you Nic, no matter what happened or if you just needed to get away, just call someone.

I have never heard her directly say she loves him but some of the things she says indirectly infers she loves him. He is my world, to me infers she loves him.

We do not know if she was raised to just say, I love you. How was her family life? There doesn't seem to be a lot of closeness with either set of parents. Both seem to be from divorced parents, no support.

I am still working on my own theories just haven't stated them as yet. Have read most of the previous threads and probably defend her because she has a lack of support. I do think if anything had happened at home the children would have mentioned it to one of those shifts of people helping her out. I don't believe anyone would keep it a secret if the 4 year old said mommy hurt daddy.

I am just still trying to process information to come up with a theory that might work. Oh ya, I think a lot of her strange ways are church related.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Envision
I think he has contacted one or more of his family and this is why they are so quietly sitting back now. [/*]

I have also thought this. I haven't checked in a couple of days but is his missing poster still up on the Catholic church sites of the sisters? I would think if he has contacted them they would at least have those posters removed from their Parish web sites.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth
If you find it, TTT, will you post the link or pm it to me?

I'm falling asleep quickly here and can barely catch up. Figritout, that last comment wasn't really called for if you want my opinion.

G'nite all! [/*]

Hi Beth (and g'nite/g'morning!)

I'm not sure but I think you are looking for the info on Nicholas's dad? I had seen that an action for legal separation had been filed against him in 2004 in Clark County, but then dismissed due to inaction (I think), just a few weeks ago. Using SeattleEddie's tip, I looked the case up by number and saw that the action had been filed by Patricia Goodlin-Francisco. This would mean his dad remarried (his mother's name is Rosann).

So apparently both Nicholas and Christine's parents were divorced -- Christine's when she was 10, and Nick's when he was 17, it seems. Not so uncommon these days, of course.

The concept of "starter marriages" is pretty common too these days, from what I've seen. But I'm sure that's not what Christine wanted, considering the comment she wrote on a photo that she and Nicholas would be together "until death." (O/T: My former boss referred to the "Waffle Theory of Marriage: always throw the first one out." Of course this was in the days before factories churned out perfect frozen waffles called Eggos... so the analogy may be lost to this generation)

Washington state court cases can be searched by name or by court case number at http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


I have also thought this. I haven't checked in a couple of days but is his missing poster still up on the Catholic church sites of the sisters? I would think if he has contacted them they would at least have those posters removed from their Parish web sites. [/*]

I don't remember ever seeing the missing posters on the church websites -- just the announcements of the prayer vigils that were held a couple weeks ago, which included his photo. Were the posters there on the church sites on an ongoing basis?

[invreporter1105]

I hope it is okay if I go off-topic for a minute. I just wanted comment on a few things.

I believe some posters were suggesting that Nicholas was being laid off and that he possibly received the news on the 13th. Further, the some posters feel this was a reason why he may have walked away from his family/friends.

I don't think this was the case and here's why:

1. Publicis hired a private investigator to investigate NF's disappearance.

2. None of his co-workers mentioned that NF was upset about anything that day before he left work.

Why would Publicis fork out the dough to pay for a PI if NF would no longer be their employee?

To be quite honest, I think there is more here than a guy running off becuase he was laid off from his job.

1. Co-workers didn't mention anything unusual about NF's behavior that day.

2. From what we know at this point, there has been no activity on any of NF's known financial accounts, internet accounts, or his cell phone.

3. It would be difficult for someone to walk away without leaving some form of a track. If he walked away, he probably would have had to change his entire identity to prevent tracks.

4. If I had planned to bake cookies with my kids, and they knew about it, I would not just 'walk away' with no explanation. Heck, he woke up each day and made breakfast for the kids. He was obviously a loving father.

When you lay it all ou, it is obvious that this guy did not just up and decide to run. I could be wrong. I have been plenty of times.

It has been over a month since NF went missing. Not a trace of him to be found. Not a phone call, bank debit, nothing. Over a month without seeing his kids whom he was use to seeing every single day.

Something happened on February 13 that changed everything in the Francisco home. No more Daddy to cook breakfast. No more Daddy to bake cookies or to play with.

The focus needs to be on tracing his route from 2nd street to South Center. Security cameras, traffic cams, whatever it takes to find out how far Nicholas got between work and Costco.

[dianaelaine]

Good Morning:

The person who posted on the E site, said this:

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Within hours [/*] of learning of these circumstances, I became aware that the family was in dire need of some financial support as money was needed to provide search materials-fliers and posters, ]reward money [/*] and more.[*

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None of the contributions went to the reward money.

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I can't for the life of me ... think of WHY C would say N was near water. :shrug:

WHAT would make her say that? HOW would she even know or suspect?

I was sitting in bed this morning and thinking of that ... the way she said it was like she KNEW ... it was presented as a fact. I know I wouldn't even think of water ... unless I knew something, or knew for a fact he was near/in water.

Don't you think that LE is looking at her statement as suspicious?

Oh, and by the way ... I agree with those who have said that this is a CRIME board/forum. The E site was where I was shut down when I tried to HELP, so I came here to openly discuss what I wanted to, and unless I break the TOS, you're not going to tell me what I can say and what I can't say.

[mc528]

Originally posted by PerneciaJane


Is this chat done on the internet through your computer?
Does it show up on your computer screen?
Are you computer tech savvy?
How do you know it can not be saved on an individual's computer with additional software? [/*]

Yes, since this in an internet site, it is indeed done through the interent, so yes it would show up on your computer connected screen - since I know of no other way to display what a computer's hard-drive is processing except for on a screen that is connected to it. This functionality, the chats on E***, can only be used by registered members of the site, and only while logged into your account.

I was referring to the ability of being able to *log* the chat session through the site itself (as can be done from what I understand, but not from personal knowledge, on sites like AOL). I know that E*** has not implemented that type of capability. Personally, I don't use chat very often, and I've only actually been to the chat rooms on E*** twice, over a year ago.....for about a total of 30 minutes, and I've never chatted with CF.

And yes, in some ways I am pretty computer savvy....but only for the things that I have a personal interest in....so not in the capabilites, or availability, of software to log chats.