Discussion - March 14th. [Archive] - Page 2

desmom

03-14-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Beth
It would also depend on the amount of equity in their house. I know my house in the past year has gone down in value almost $200,000. I don't know about the housing market in Seattle, but if their house is worth now what they paid for it, that could make a huge difference. [/*]

I think it was reported they bought their home in 2006. IMO, they would not have much equity. If she is going to try to get out from under the mortgage, maybe she should try a take over payment type sale. There have been several sale like that around here.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/350266_housing07.html

Gardner expects area home prices to decline 5 percent in 2008, with larger drops in rural areas than closer to employment centers.

But real estate brokers said that right now, high inventory and low interest rates are bringing out buyers and helping perk up the market.

jmo

desmom

03-14-2008, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Anything is possible but what I don't get is how easily LE dismissed VF's disappearance as a "personal family matter". [/*]

Maybe it is a separation situation and he just forgot to tell her they were separating. After he found out he had been reported missing, he contacted her.

:shrug:

murdershewrote

03-14-2008, 07:23 PM

I don't think she can sell the house without his signature, I think we've confirmed that they were both on the deed. Remember, Scott Peterson tried to sell their house but couldn't because there was no proof at that time of Laci's death.

isitme

03-14-2008, 07:24 PM

One possible reason some sites are suddenly not visable - sometimes when a person sees a lot of hits to their site they wll shut it down, temporarily or permenantly. It happens often when there is something that comes up and the link is passed around. So whoever owns that winery site, NF's dad or someone else, may have had a ton of hits suddenly and they feel it is best to close it.

ThruTheTrees

03-14-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Maybe it is a separation situation and he just forgot to tell her they were separating. After he found out he had been reported missing, he contacted her.

:shrug: [/*]

Shouldn't they take him off the "missing persons" websites then?

dianaelaine

03-14-2008, 07:41 PM

It's been so quiet in here today. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by isitme
One possible reason some sites are suddenly not visable - sometimes when a person sees a lot of hits to their site they wll shut it down, temporarily or permenantly. It happens often when there is something that comes up and the link is passed around. So whoever owns that winery site, NF's dad or someone else, may have had a ton of hits suddenly and they feel it is best to close it. [/*]

Usually when I send a link I check it right after it sends - it worked when I sent it - but I see someone got it going again. I think you are right isitme because West Seattle blog had a little note "with people still up all over and around this site..." so I guess they do know how much activity they are getting.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Maybe but with all the coincidentals, I think I'd have taken a harder look into it. [/*]

I certainly would have. This basically means if your spouse goes missing you can say "personal" and they say okey doke - sorry to have bothered you. Good grief.

ETA UNLESS it is the wife that goes missing - then the guy is hammered unmercifully.

KKKKKKatie

03-14-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I certainly would have. This basically means if your spouse goes missing you can say "personal" and they say okey doke - sorry to have bothered you. Good grief.

ETA UNLESS it is the wife that goes missing - then the guy is hammered unmercifully. [/*]

Only if his last name is Peterson :D

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

Only if his last name is Peterson :D [/*]

LOL yep - hey did you hear back from your reporter friend?

SHinS

03-14-2008, 08:07 PM

This has always bothered me and still does, WHY ask for money so soon(or at all?) Yes, I know, CF didn't directly ask for donations but still...IMO it just seemed suspicious.

Supposing she knew he left her, that would explain why she went along with the donations BARELY 3 DAYS after his 'disappearance', thinking she'll make the "most of it" seeing it as an opportunity(can someone say fraud?).
I don't see another plausible explaination.
Anyway that's one of my theories and again MOO.

Those repeated posts by Fashiongrentbags just seemed so pushy which initially made me think that it was some sort of scam...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=134

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=136

JustFacts

03-14-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Envision
Those immediate pleas for donations are what made the officers I spoke with ask what motive there was behind this disappearance. It is stated the original plea came from CF's sister...something CF has denied recently. [/*]

It's still quite a leap for me to think this is all voluntary on his part. No motive has emerged for him to want to disappear and no reason for someone randomly taking him out.

jmo

SHinS

03-14-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Envision
Those immediate pleas for donations are what made the officers I spoke with ask what motive there was behind this disappearance. It is stated the original plea came from CF's sister...something CF has denied recently. [/*]

Yes but even if the original plea came from CF's sister, someone(I assume most likely CF) must have told her that "financial support is desperately needed".
Of course CF's sister could have known about their financial situation...
But again what bothers me here is why ask for money SO soon or at all? Just does not seem right IMO

JustFacts

03-14-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by SHinS
This has always bothered me and still does, WHY ask for money so soon(or at all?) Yes, I know, CF didn't directly ask for donations but still...IMO it just seemed suspicious.

Supposing she knew he left her, that would explain why she went along with the donations BARELY 3 DAYS after his 'disappearance', thinking she'll make the "most of it" seeing it as an opportunity(can someone say fraud?).
I don't see another plausible explaination.
Anyway that's one of my theories and again MOO.

Those repeated posts by Fashiongrentbags just seemed so pushy which initially made me think that it was some sort of scam...

~snipped~[/*]

This young couple seemed to do so many things "right" I just can't see them pulling a scam. I really believe something else triggered Nicholas' disappearance.

also, I thought I read earlier that Christine's sister was hurt in an accident. Is that the same sister who is mentioned as trying to organize financial help? I'm just curious.

JustFacts

03-14-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Envision

That is what needs to be investigated to find out. Ya think? [/*]

I absolutely agree. You brought up a point earlier about LE not sitting on the car and waiting for someone to use it....maybe they did? The car was found Monday but search dogs weren't let loose until Tuesday.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
if his birthday is 1/28 and she told him on his birthday, i just find it a little odd that someone would tell thousands of complete strangers they are expecting, before your husband..

MOO - i know it may be a little o/t but it is things like this that make people wonder.. [/*]

I aked the other day about his birthday, don't remember who, but they posted his birthday was the 23rd. January. I wrote it down.
Iirc correctly, that was the final, someone else had posted before the 28th and it was corrected.
JMO

isitme

03-14-2008, 08:52 PM

About the LE sitting on the car for a while.

When did they learn that it had possibly been moved?

How many officers showed up in response to the call about the car being there?

How long did it take for the responsing LE to determine that it was in fact NF's car?

How many officers were involved in the initial on site examination of the vehicle?

I have point, I just want to see if there are some thoughts on the above questions before I "go there".

n/t

03-14-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by isitme
About the LE sitting on the car for a while.

When did they learn that it had possibly been moved?

How many officers showed up in response to the call about the car being there?

How long did it take for the responsing LE to determine that it was in fact NF's car?

How many officers were involved in the initial on site examination of the vehicle?

I have point, I just want to see if there are some thoughts on the above questions before I "go there". [/*]

IIRC, it was 3 days after his disapearance. I don't know the answers to the rest.

I'd love to here your point.

SHinS

03-14-2008, 09:00 PM

Another theory:
NF had an affair with a married woman. Her husband finds out and decides to eliminate NF.

Alright that's it for me, I'm going back to :read:

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:00 PM

Nicholas - from what we have been told...

Gets up early in the morning to play with the kids and fix them breakfast

Brings Christine her coffee

Goes to work - works an 8 hour day

Stops by the grocery store on his way home

Bakes Cookies -

Works a second job at night freelancing

Sounds like a long day to me

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Is it really possible to maintain a good credit rating by walking away from a mortgaged home? I can't see how that would be. I haven't understood that in Christine's statements. Seems like selling the house would be the best way to save her credit, but maybe she can't sell it without Nicholas's signature too. [/*]

If they are joint owners in the house, she can't sell without his signature or a death certificate. Even in a divorce situation. Believe me I know because I just went thru this.
JMO

decor

03-14-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
It's been so quiet in here today. :shrug: [/*]

because without any more facts there isn't much left to talk about. almost everything has been beaten to death.

we are back on christine's sister asking for donations which again wasn't the case. It was someone who spoke to Christine's sister but the thing is this has been discussed how many times and the results have been what?

this is no offense to the person that posted it, just saying that everything has been discussed 50x's and there have been no conclusions. And I don't think there will be unless we get more info.

isitme

03-14-2008, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by n/t

IIRC, it was 3 days after his disapearance. I don't know the answers to the rest.

I'd love to here your point. [/*]

Let me clarify my first question - from the time LE arrived at the scene, how long were they at the scene before it was reported to them that the vehicle had been seen in other parking spots?

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by isitme
About the LE sitting on the car for a while.

When did they learn that it had possibly been moved?

How many officers showed up in response to the call about the car being there?

How long did it take for the responsing LE to determine that it was in fact NF's car?

How many officers were involved in the initial on site examination of the vehicle?

I have point, I just want to see if there are some thoughts on the above questions before I "go there". [/*]

I would think as soon as LE got there, the neighbors would have told them it had been moved several times.

Seems like they would have known it was his car the second they look at the license plate.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by decor

because without any more facts there isn't much left to talk about. almost everything has been beaten to death.

we are back on christine's sister asking for donations which again wasn't the case. It was someone who spoke to Christine's sister but the thing is this has been discussed how many times and the results have been what?

this is no offense to the person that posted it, just saying that everything has been discussed 50x's and there have been no conclusions. And I don't think there will be unless we get more info. [/*]

Same thing with any other forum on this board. Problem here is that this case cannot be discussed like any others that I have seen.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Anything is possible but what I don't get is how easily LE dismissed VF's disappearance as a "personal family matter". [/*]

He may have contacted his wife, I think she was the one who said it was a 'personal family matter' and found he had left her and didn't want/need the police involve anymore. That's what it sounds like to me.
Of course, this is JMO and recollection.

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by decor

because without any more facts there isn't much left to talk about. almost everything has been beaten to death.

we are back on christine's sister asking for donations which again wasn't the case. It was someone who spoke to Christine's sister but the thing is this has been discussed how many times and the results have been what?

this is no offense to the person that posted it, just saying that everything has been discussed 50x's and there have been no conclusions. And I don't think there will be unless we get more info. [/*]

Yeah and we may come up with the same discusssion 50 more times or more. No offense but if it bothers you, why be here. I don't mind when people bring up the same discussions. I'm not here 24/7 so I sometimes miss what's being discussed. Furthermore, people may bring up a topic with a different view point which we may have not thought of before. Lastly, new posters just join the forum and may not have all the information.

need2no

03-14-2008, 09:10 PM

I'm glad to see some of you tossed around the idea of NF hitching a ride courtesy of VF via employer transportation.

Now here's another thing I've been pondering over along those lines. Not totally worked through, but play along, ok.

NF met VF at a party, online, etc. They each complain about something in their life- marriage, debts, life in general, legal troubles, etc. and the plot to leave is hatched.

VF suggests the truck to Canada, (or where ever) and the plan is set in motion. Based on when the truck is pulling out they can't leave until Feb. 17 (or later.) Neither man expects or even gives any thought to their disappearance making national news, or even being treated as much of a newsworthy item. As I stated earlier NF decides he will not go home on Feb. 13 because it is Valentine's Eve and he can't face his wife and children knowing he is planning to leave soon, (this would explain making sure several people knew cell phone battery was dead.) Also NF may have had some last minute things to take care of between Feb. 14 and the date they actually left Seattle. He wouldn't want LE picking up on cell phone pings showing his location. NF stays in a motel, (but after seeing all the news about his disappearing perhaps VF checked in with his ID and paid cash but NF occupied the room.) Remember VF's disapearance has gone pretty much unnoticed, especially compared to NF's. NF moves his car around several times with VF giving him a ride after he parks the car at various crowded locations, (therefore no prints but NF's in car.) NF knows he has got to ditch the car soon so LE won't track him down now that his car is plastered over the news, and he also wants CF to know he probably just walked by leaving the car in plain site to eventually be discovered with no evidence of foul play. He decides on the condo complex where he anticipates someone will report the car in their place pretty quickly. Maybe NF took the risk of running some errands after he initially parked there, (and was in fact spotted by the man at the storage unit), thus explaining the car being moved and later parked in a different spot. Maybe explaining the gas station sighting as well.

So the journey out of Seattle begins on or around Feb. 17th. Maybe VF got lonely and started missing his child or just felt guilty and phoned home to let his wife know he was working through some things. If he called from a pre paid phone it couldn't be traced. From reading her MySpace it doesn't sound like she gave a big hoot that he left her, heck maybe she wanted him to leave for a while, or maybe he has an opportunity to make more money and she's all for that plan if he sends some home, or she plans to meet up with him later. Maybe NF met and took off with the person who was the reason for him leaving in the first place, (maybe they are in CA by now), and VF started having second thoughts about what he had done. So many, many possiblities here.
Heck maybe 4 adults are in on a scheme, but only VF and NF knew the initial plan but the wives now know.

Heck, does this all sound crazy?

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by isitme

Let me clarify my first question - from the time LE arrived at the scene, how long were they at the scene before it was reported to them that the vehicle had been seen in other parking spots? [/*]

No idea. I don't think it was reported and I don't believe any of us were there. I would assume it was when they went door to door talking to neighbours. I don't believe anyone came forward to tell them. But I could be wrong.

OK so what's your point. I'm getting restless. LOL

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Little ole me just lives in a little teeny apartment, but we'll make room for you guys somehow. :D [/*]

Dang, I just got on, missed donut and coffee time. :(

isitme

03-14-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I would think as soon as LE got there, the neighbors would have told them it had been moved several times.

Seems like they would have known it was his car the second they look at the license plate. [/*]

But wasn't the report called in by a male? IIRC at least one of the reports that the vehicle had been moved came from a female (goping only by first names that I read)

So if LE learned as soon as soon as the arrived that it had been moved there was a gathering of people in the parking lot already, or fairly quickly upon their arrival. RIght?

So if that is the case what would be the point of putting the car under surveilance? If the "driver" of the car was in the area and they witnessed this wouldn't it seem logical that they would not return to that car again?

Yes, the "driver" may not have witnessed the gathering of citizens and LE but how would LE know that? So they take the chance that the "driver" didn't know about the investigation and sit around waiting for the "driver" show up again. In the mean time possible valuable evidence is not being processed and there is man out there that could be in harms way or worse while they wait for someone to show up????? I don't get it.

Then there was the search both by the canines and the friends and family. Which IMHO was VERY important to do at that time. How is the car going to be kept under watch and hope that the "driver" reappears with all of tha going on????

SHinS

03-14-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Nicholas - from what we have been told...

Gets up early in the morning to play with the kids and fix them breakfast

Brings Christine her coffee

Goes to work - works an 8 hour day

Stops by the grocery store on his way home

Bakes Cookies -

Works a second job at night freelancing

Sounds like a long day to me [/*]

Sounds like a truly wonderful guy/husband

Maybe he felt unappreciated(used) in that relationship...and one day decided enough is enough.
He: 'servant' + bread winner(my apologies if that sounds a bit harsh)

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Shouldn't they take him off the "missing persons" websites then? [/*]

You would think. Maybe the wife just didn't want or is unable to handle media attention and that's just a blanket comment to not get the media involved, but LE still is involved and respecting her wishes.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by SHinS

Sounds like a truly wonderful guy/husband

Maybe he felt unappreciated(used) in that relationship...and one day decided enough is enough.
He: 'servant' + bread winner(my apologies if that sounds a bit harsh) [/*]

And therefore, that would be one motive for walking away.

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by need2no
I'm glad to see some of you tossed around the idea of NF hitching a ride courtesy of VF via employer transportation.

Now here's another thing I've been pondering over along those lines. Not totally worked through, but play along, ok.

NF met VF at a party, online, etc. They each complain about something in their life- marriage, debts, life in general, legal troubles, etc. and the plot to leave is hatched.

VF suggests the truck to Canada, (or where ever) and the plan is set in motion. Based on when the truck is pulling out they can't leave until Feb. 17 (or later.) Neither man expects or even gives any thought to their disappearance making national news, or even being treated as much of a newsworthy item. As I stated earlier NF decides he will not go home on Feb. 13 because it is Valentine's Eve and he can't face his wife and children knowing he is planning to leave soon, (this would explain making sure several people knew cell phone battery was dead.) Also NF may have had some last minute things to take care of between Feb. 14 and the date they actually left Seattle. He wouldn't want LE picking up on cell phone pings showing his location. NF stays in a motel, (but after seeing all the news about his disappearing perhaps VF checked in with his ID and paid cash but NF occupied the room.) Remember VF's disapearance has gone pretty much unnoticed, especially compared to NF's. NF moves his car around several times with VF giving him a ride after he parks the car at various crowded locations, (therefore no prints but NF's in car.) NF knows he has got to ditch the car soon so LE won't track him down now that his car is plastered over the news, and he also wants CF to know he probably just walked by leaving the car in plain site to eventually be discovered with no evidence of foul play. He decides on the condo complex where he anticipates someone will report the car in their place pretty quickly. Maybe NF took the risk of running some errands after he initially parked there, (and was in fact spotted by the man at the storage unit), thus explaining the car being moved and later parked in a different spot. Maybe explaining the gas station sighting as well.

So the journey out of Seattle begins on or around Feb. 17th. Maybe VF got lonely and started missing his child or just felt guilty and phoned home to let his wife know he was working through some things. If he called from a pre paid phone it couldn't be traced. From reading her MySpace it doesn't sound like she gave a big hoot that he left her, heck maybe she wanted him to leave for a while, or maybe he has an opportunity to make more money and she's all for that plan if he sends some home, or she plans to meet up with him later. Maybe NF met and took off with the person who was the reason for him leaving in the first place, (maybe they are in CA by now), and VF started having second thoughts about what he had done. So many, many possiblities here.
Heck maybe 4 adults are in on a scheme, but only VF and NF knew the initial plan but the wives now know.

Heck, does this all sound crazy? [/*]

No it doesn't. The only thing I would question is one wife being totally unphased about the whole thing and the other one in hysterics about money.

I do however believe there may be a connection with both disappearances. What that is remains a mystery. I find it highly coincidental that both disappeared at the same time.

I wonder if that's another reason LE has been so quiet and not releasing anymore information. What else do they know?

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by SHinS
This has always bothered me and still does, WHY ask for money so soon(or at all?) Yes, I know, CF didn't directly ask for donations but still...IMO it just seemed suspicious.

Supposing she knew he left her, that would explain why she went along with the donations BARELY 3 DAYS after his 'disappearance', thinking she'll make the "most of it" seeing it as an opportunity(can someone say fraud?).
I don't see another plausible explaination.
Anyway that's one of my theories and again MOO.

Those repeated posts by Fashiongrentbags just seemed so pushy which initially made me think that it was some sort of scam...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=134

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=136 [/*]

She said she didn't ask for donations, but we don't know if she talked on the phone or directly to someones and asked or dropped a big hint. We only know what's been put online.
JMO

SHinS

03-14-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by decor

because without any more facts there isn't much left to talk about. almost everything has been beaten to death.

we are back on christine's sister asking for donations which again wasn't the case. It was someone who spoke to Christine's sister but the thing is this has been discussed how many times and the results have been what?

this is no offense to the person that posted it, just saying that everything has been discussed 50x's and there have been no conclusions. And I don't think there will be unless we get more info. [/*]

I think you guys are referring to me... my bad, didn't mean to resurrect the whole 'donations subject' other than maybe get some fresh feedback on it.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

It's still quite a leap for me to think this is all voluntary on his part. No motive has emerged for him to want to disappear and no reason for someone randomly taking him out.

jmo [/*]

Since we don't know the whole story, just her side of everything, not NF's...we don't really know if there was no motive.
JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

She said she didn't ask for donations, but we don't know if she talked on the phone or directly to someones and asked or dropped a big hint. We only know what's been put online.
JMO [/*]

It seems like the poor lady who sat vigil on that thread trying to help out Christine is now the bad guy. I don't remember the ladies' name but she said she talked to Christine's sister who said they were in desperate financial shape.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Envision

That would be exactly why police would need to be involved more investigating why he would request "No more police involvement". They should also hear this from him directly not just close the case on her say so. [/*]

She may have given LE evidence he contacted her, caller ID, and email. And maybe they did have contact with him and as we've learned are not obligated to divulge.
JMO

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Since we don't know the whole story, just her side of everything, not NF's...we don't really know if there was no motive.
JMO [/*]

Not sure if y'all watched Oprah but I got home in time to watch the last 15 minutes or so. Anyway, it was about mistresses and betrayed wives.

One woman was pregnant with their 4th. child!! And he decided to leave her for another woman. She did whatever she could including begging him not to leave but he did anyway.

I'm not saying that's the case here but these things do happen.

Here is the link to the woman who was on Oprah.

http://www.oprah.com/relationships/slide/200710/rel_20071019_350_109.jhtml

isitme

03-14-2008, 09:32 PM

Quoting myself - sorry- but somebody tell me what I am missing and why it is believed that LE should have just watched it.

Originally posted by isitme

But wasn't the report called in by a male? IIRC at least one of the reports that the vehicle had been moved came from a female (goping only by first names that I read)

So if LE learned as soon as soon as the arrived that it had been moved there was a gathering of people in the parking lot already, or fairly quickly upon their arrival. RIght?

So if that is the case what would be the point of putting the car under surveilance? If the "driver" of the car was in the area and they witnessed this wouldn't it seem logical that they would not return to that car again?

Yes, the "driver" may not have witnessed the gathering of citizens and LE but how would LE know that? So they take the chance that the "driver" didn't know about the investigation and sit around waiting for the "driver" show up again. In the mean time possible valuable evidence is not being processed and there is man out there that could be in harms way or worse while they wait for someone to show up????? I don't get it.

Then there was the search both by the canines and the friends and family. Which IMHO was VERY important to do at that time. How is the car going to be kept under watch and hope that the "driver" reappears with all of tha going on???? [/*]

decor

03-14-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

He may have contacted his wife, I think she was the one who said it was a 'personal family matter' and found he had left her and didn't want/need the police involve anymore. That's what it sounds like to me.
Of course, this is JMO and recollection. [/*]

if that was the case wouldn't they take him off of the missing person list?

isitme

03-14-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Not sure if y'all watched Oprah but I got home in time to watch the last 15 minutes or so. Anyway, it was about mistresses and betrayed wives.

One woman was pregnant with their 4th. child!! And he decided to leave her for another woman. She did whatever she could including begging him not to leave but he did anyway.

I'm not saying that's the case here but these things do happen.

Here is the link to the woman who was on Oprah.

http://www.oprah.com/relationships/slide/200710/rel_20071019_350_109.jhtml [/*]

I saw that as well. And thought "there ya go more proof that this does happen to the 'perfect' family".

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:36 PM

To see who returned to it is my only guess.

decor

03-14-2008, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by SHinS

I think you guys are referring to me... my bad, didn't mean to resurrect the whole 'donations subject' other than maybe get some fresh feedback on it. [/*]

I said this didn't have anything to do with what you posted but that we were just back to rehashing that subject again.
had nothing to do with you :)

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by decor

if that was the case wouldn't they take him off of the missing person list? [/*]

I've only seen one poster of him. Is he listed on AMW's website or National Missing Persons?

When I googled his name, there was nothing I could find.

desmom

03-14-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

She said she didn't ask for donations, but we don't know if she talked on the phone or directly to someones and asked or dropped a big hint. We only know what's been put online.
JMO [/*]

She may not have asked for donations, but in a video interview that aired on 2/20/08 on King5 she stated they were broke. Unfortunately the video is no longer available.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11324690&highlight=broke#post11324690

Originally posted by desmom

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=newsnding

Christine: "We are broke. I mean you saw the car. There is nothing special about it. He didn't have anything on him except his laptop." [/*]

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I've only seen one poster of him. Is he listed on AMW's website or National Missing Persons?

When I googled his name, there was nothing I could find. [/*]

I just gave myself a scare. I was over at AMW and Nicholas' picture wasn't up like it was, so I searched his name "Nicholas Francisco" and it said 0 results. I tried again putting in just Francisco and it came up. However, Fale is not there.

need2no

03-14-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by n/t

No it doesn't. The only thing I would question is one wife being totally unphased about the whole thing and the other one in hysterics about money.

I do however believe there may be a connection with both disappearances. What that is remains a mystery. I find it highly coincidental that both disappeared at the same time.

I wonder if that's another reason LE has been so quiet and not releasing anymore information. What else do they know? [/*]

Thank you for reading and responding to my long post.

Maybe that's because VF called home shortly after reaching the destination. Perhaps he said honey I'm sorry for doing this to you but I just couldn't handle the financial pressures (or whatever) anymore. Maybe he had some legal or financial trouble he needed to run from so she can kinda understand now that he had shared the secret with her. Perhaps he told her there is great opportunities there and said I'll get a better job and will soon have enough money to take care of the legal/financial problem and enough to send for you and baby boo boo to join me soon. Maybe a gambling debt or something along those lines, could be anything, and he couldn't force himself to tell her before leaving.

Hysterics about money could easily be part of the whole scheme. Milk it for as long as possible. Maybe planned in advance, maybe thought of by her (if he walked and it was a surprise to her), maybe hatched after he called and said this is the only way out of our debt, especially with tax debt and a new baby just around the corner. Suppose they followed some internet money scam and this is where she came up with the idea and upon seeing how quickly it caught on......

Maybe the church had nothing to do with anything (can we say WILD GOOSE CHASE)...maybe the resignation was a mere ruse to throw suspicion that way. Maybe this explains why Christine doesn't want to go there, or maybe it was NF's plan alone, and he told CF some bogus story of why they should resign.
I tell you everything that is really nothing, and nothing of what is everything, do not be fooled by what I am saying. ** Please listen carefully and try to hear what I am not saying. ~Charles C. Finn** I just love this!

I too believe there is a connection between the 2 men. I also suspect LE may be doing a lot of investigation but is keeping it under wraps. Remember Columbo's style? Maybe this is why they supposedly are taking so long to do a blasted fingerprint anaylsis. That stinky rat is getting closer and closer........

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

It seems like the poor lady who sat vigil on that thread trying to help out Christine is now the bad guy. I don't remember the ladies' name but she said she talked to Christine's sister who said they were in desperate financial shape. [/*]

I don't think of her being a bad guy. And Christine's family may have known from her sister that they may have been living beyond their means. Christine says to her after NF goes missing, omg, what am I going to do about all these bills?
And being her sister she thought she was doing a good thing and the first thing that came to her mind was, they are in debt and now Christine has to take care of it all.
Good sister looking out for her own.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:45 PM

Desmom - when I try to quote you it doesn't come out right. But in answer to Christine saying all he had was his laptop, the reporter last night said he left the office with some personal things. I think he mentioned an Ipod.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Not sure if y'all watched Oprah but I got home in time to watch the last 15 minutes or so. Anyway, it was about mistresses and betrayed wives.

One woman was pregnant with their 4th. child!! And he decided to leave her for another woman. She did whatever she could including begging him not to leave but he did anyway.

I'm not saying that's the case here but these things do happen.

Here is the link to the woman who was on Oprah.

http://www.oprah.com/relationships/slide/200710/rel_20071019_350_109.jhtml [/*]

Saw that show when it first aired, and yes, it does happen.
No matter how 'perfect' seems to be to the wife. Been there as I've already shared.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I don't think of her being a bad guy. And Christine's family may have known from her sister that they may have been living beyond their means. Christine says to her after NF goes missing, omg, what am I going to do about all these bills?
And being her sister she thought she was doing a good thing and the first thing that came to her mind was, they are in debt and now Christine has to take care of it all.
Good sister looking out for her own. [/*]

ITA - I think both the lady and the sister had good intentions. Christine verified they were broke both on television and on that thread where she said her sweet husband had been less than honest with her about their debt. Now if that does not encourage everyone to continue on, I don't know what does. My point is she wants to remove herself from this whole process which I don't think is right. IMO

need2no

03-14-2008, 09:51 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Okay, no more delays. Today IS the day the detective came back, right?

What's the excuse for no new news now? [/*]

surely you jest - we have yet to hear anything about the cell phone records or at least I haven't heard anything

n/t

03-14-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Okay, no more delays. Today IS the day the detective came back, right?

What's the excuse for no new news now? [/*]

Yesterday. Supposedly. According to Christine.

Where are the results from the fingerprint analysis???

isitme

03-14-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Because by not watching it at all, they may have just let a killer go free. How hard is that to fathom? He/she may have even been in this so called small crowd of people that conglomerated around the scene you speak of. I suspect that alleged crowd didn't even form until LE got there and began processing that car. [/*]

But once LE has shown up, opened the car, looked in the trunk, talked to the people that have gathered (if any), isn't that enough for the "driver" to say to himself that they won't be able to go back to that car if it is left behind. Wouldn't the "driver" kind of figure that it was left behind BECAUSE IT WAS BEING WATCHED after he had witnessed the LE poking around in it?

How would they perform a search with the dogs and the friends and family without the "driver" being aware of it. Or should the search have been postponed as well?

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Fashiongreentbags was her nic. [/*]

Yes and she worked tirelessly for days.

huskiki

03-14-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I just gave myself a scare. I was over at AMW and Nicholas' picture wasn't up like it was, so I searched his name "Nicholas Francisco" and it said 0 results. I tried again putting in just Francisco and it came up. However, Fale is not there. [/*]

Hi there :seeya:

The only places to find information on Fale are:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001

And no pictures. I think there was one on his wifes profile on myspace but it's been replaced with a spiritual quote.

need2no

03-14-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

ITA - I think both the lady and the sister had good intentions. Christine verified they were broke both on television and on that thread where she said her sweet husband had been less than honest with her about their debt. >> Now if that does not encourage everyone to continue on, I don't know what does. << My point is she wants to remove herself from this whole process which I don't think is right. IMO [/*]

You dont? How about this for encouragement to continue on:

"It's been a month of hell. I'm in agonizing torture. It keeps getting worse . The nightmare keeps getting worse," says Christine Francisco.

Christine has been doing her best to take care of their two young children, during this whole ordeal. But she admits, it's been hard making ends meet without her husbands income. She says friends, family, and the community have helped tremendously. But now, as if the situation wasn't hard enough, Christine says, " It looks like I will lose the house and have to file for bankruptcy."

desmom

03-14-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by isitme

But wasn't the report called in by a male? IIRC at least one of the reports that the vehicle had been moved came from a female (goping only by first names that I read)

So if LE learned as soon as soon as the arrived that it had been moved there was a gathering of people in the parking lot already, or fairly quickly upon their arrival. RIght?

So if that is the case what would be the point of putting the car under surveilance? If the "driver" of the car was in the area and they witnessed this wouldn't it seem logical that they would not return to that car again?

Yes, the "driver" may not have witnessed the gathering of citizens and LE but how would LE know that? So they take the chance that the "driver" didn't know about the investigation and sit around waiting for the "driver" show up again. In the mean time possible valuable evidence is not being processed and there is man out there that could be in harms way or worse while they wait for someone to show up????? I don't get it.

Then there was the search both by the canines and the friends and family. Which IMHO was VERY important to do at that time. How is the car going to be kept under watch and hope that the "driver" reappears with all of tha going on???? [/*]

I think you summed it up pretty well. Most of the residents may speak at the mail boxes or passing in the hallway, but probably don't socialize.

Let LE or an ambulance show up in the parking lot, and I bet there are more people in the parking lot than attends the condo's annual meetings.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi there :seeya:

The only places to find information on Fale are:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001

And no pictures. I think there was one on his wifes profile on myspace but it's been replaced with a spiritual quote. [/*]

:seeya:

still no pic, huh?

need2no

03-14-2008, 09:59 PM

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thank you for reading and responding to my long post.

Maybe that's because VF called home shortly after reaching the destination. Perhaps he said honey I'm sorry for doing this to you but I just couldn't handle the financial pressures (or whatever) anymore. Maybe he had some legal or financial trouble he needed to run from so she can kinda understand now that he had shared the secret with her. Perhaps he told her there is great opportunities there and said I'll get a better job and will soon have enough money to take care of the legal/financial problem and enough to send for you and baby boo boo to join me soon. Maybe a gambling debt or something along those lines, could be anything, and he couldn't force himself to tell her before leaving.

Hysterics about money could easily be part of the whole scheme. Milk it for as long as possible. Maybe planned in advance, maybe thought of by her (if he walked and it was a surprise to her), maybe hatched after he called and said this is the only way out of our debt, especially with tax debt and a new baby just around the corner. Suppose they followed some internet money scam and this is where she came up with the idea and upon seeing how quickly it caught on......

Maybe the church had nothing to do with anything (can we say WILD GOOSE CHASE)...maybe the resignation was a mere ruse to throw suspicion that way. Maybe this explains why Christine doesn't want to go there, or maybe it was NF's plan alone, and he told CF some bogus story of why they should resign.
I tell you everything that is really nothing, and nothing of what is everything, do not be fooled by what I am saying. ** Please listen carefully and try to hear what I am not saying. ~Charles C. Finn** I just love this!

I too believe there is a connection between the 2 men. I also suspect LE may be doing a lot of investigation but is keeping it under wraps. Remember Columbo's style? Maybe this is why they supposedly are taking so long to do a blasted fingerprint anaylsis. That stinky rat is getting closer and closer........ [/*]

I have thought of the scam thing from the beginning, but truly, that has gone to the back of my mind. I don't see a connection between the 2, but, am willing to accept it as a possible. I also don't think the church has anything to do with it. I've been thru a church 'crisis' and know people leave for all kinds of reasons that many don't know about or understand. Someone disappearing because of it just doesn't make sense to me. But that is MOO.
As far as 'that stinky rat....' I had a thought that hasn't left me since last night after the video interview with Christine. The water thing hit me big time. But, I will not post my thoughts on that because frankly, I do not want to be picked apart or bashed for that thought. I'm kinda fragile myself right now with the things that are happening in my life and don't need it.
JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:01 PM

huskiki

03-14-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by need2no

There WERE numerous pics of VF on his wife's MYSPACE, haven't looked lately to see if they are still there. There is also a wedding and new baby video on Utube. [/*]

TY need2no. I only saw the one. I hope he's found safe too :rose:

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Yes and she worked tirelessly for days. [/*]

She sure did. I hope she doesn't feel like she's been hit upside her head if this all turns out to be a scam since she helped get the fire burning for Christine.

Remember the saying: No good deed goes unpunished.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

So, do you think he was let go? Who signs off on something? That's a term usually reserved for a loan, did he usually "sign off" on projects at work? Cuz, I need to know.

Did he leave w. his personal thngs meaning he was let go? Being let go could have/would have been a perfect vehicle/reason for running......
Lots of me and women do it every day. Yes, they up and leave their kids. It is a horrible exp when you witness it.
Esp if you think "well, that could never happen, so and so would NEVER do that" but the truth is, when push comes to shove, yes ppl do up and leave.

There is something not setting right w.me for this whole case. I dont believe that her actions are appropriate, asking for money, worrying about money; right away acting as if he were dead (unless she knew he was) stating seriously that she just knew he was dead......

I dont know if this is a scam. But I was on facebook and myspace last nite for hours, just reading, looking and trying to see exactly who knew who and who was friends with whom and how often ppl PM each other, and What CF internet "tracks" were the day and the day after NF "left"
She was not online. She ususally is online, 2am 1am mindnite etc.
Feb 15th her online activiity picked right back up without hardly skipping a beat.

I have a problem with this.

CT [/*]

Okay let me say this loud and clear I COULD BE WRONG, but the first post I can find with Christine telling everyone her husband is missing is the night of 2-16. If she was online 2-15 I would think she would have put that announcement out there before the evening of the 16th. Maybe I just missed it.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Envision

You've obviously never been in LE or you would know the ways and means of a good investigator. When the guy called, he should have been advised not to go back out near the car or to watch it from outside of his condo or even speak to anyone about it until LE could take action on it. An undercover should have been sent to sit somewhere out of sight, near the car and watch. After a few hours of possibly no one showing up, they can then begin to process the car or if someone did show up to the car, process that person. Also a bad move was notifying the condo complex via the news of the pending search. Gave whoever, if they were indeed there, plenty of time to get away. Now their best chance at a possible lead, is gone. [/*]

A lot of us have never been in LE, but it doesn't mean we can't offer opinions or ask for perspective on things.

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

TY need2no. I only saw the one. I hope he's found safe too :rose: [/*]

YW!

By one I guess you mean one pic of VF. You kind of have to dig on the link to find them, unless she removed them. Curious if she did remove his pics, why.

It sounds like he is a-ok. If Harlett says he is I trust she knows this for a fact or she wouldn't have said so. I'm also certain LE has confirmed the wife's story.

I'll try to find the Utube video of VF and family sometime tonight and post the link.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Umm, maybe she forgot? :cool: [/*]

I really wish someone else would go look because that has been bugging me.

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Envision

You've obviously never been in LE or you would know the ways and means of a good investigator. When the guy called, he should have been advised not to go back out near the car or to watch it from outside of his condo or even speak to anyone about it until LE could take action on it. An undercover should have been sent to sit somewhere out of sight, near the car and watch. After a few hours of possibly no one showing up, they can then begin to process the car or if someone did show up to the car, process that person. Also a bad move was notifying the condo complex via the news of the pending search. Gave whoever, if they were indeed there, plenty of time to get away. Now their best chance at a possible lead, is gone. [/*]

Nope, never said I am or was ever in LE. Which is why I asked my questions. My apologies if I was out of line for doing so. Perhpas I misunderstood the purpose of this board.

OH, as for LE announcing the search, I have always thought that that was a VERY BAD move.

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I wonder how many people who donated would do it all over again if given the chance after knowing now what they didn't know then. [/*]

You are stealing my thoughts again Beth. :tongue:

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I really wish someone else would go look because that has been bugging me. [/*]

I'll go look fo you.

BRB

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by need2no

You dont? How about this for encouragement to continue on:

"It's been a month of hell. I'm in agonizing torture. It keeps getting worse . The nightmare keeps getting worse," says Christine Francisco.

Christine has been doing her best to take care of their two young children, during this whole ordeal. But she admits, it's been hard making ends meet without her husbands income. She says friends, family, and the community have helped tremendously. But now, as if the situation wasn't hard enough, Christine says, " It looks like I will lose the house and have to file for bankruptcy." [/*]

How about...#1- yes, I'm sure she's been going thru hell and it probably is getting worse. I always seems to get worse before getting better. I can identify with that.
#2- she has seen how easy is seems to have been that if she cries destitute, people help her with money. She continues on this vein, to continue to get more. After all, she is a month ahead on her mortgage. This is JMOO, but she has seemed from the start to be somewhat of a manipulator. Manipulators go with the flow. They use what is going on to use it to their advantage. She's seen and been rewarded for her cry of hardship. Why not continue and try and get as much as she can? Holding at bay the reality of having to take care of herself and her kids on her own.
Work it for all it's worth.
JMO, IMO, MOO

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I really wish someone else would go look because that has been bugging me. [/*]

First time I see she posted that he was missing was at 10:31PM 2/16/2008

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I have thought of the scam thing from the beginning, but truly, that has gone to the back of my mind. I don't see a connection between the 2, but, am willing to accept it as a possible. I also don't think the church has anything to do with it. I've been thru a church 'crisis' and know people leave for all kinds of reasons that many don't know about or understand. Someone disappearing because of it just doesn't make sense to me. But that is MOO.
As far as 'that stinky rat....' I had a thought that hasn't left me since last night after the video interview with Christine. The water thing hit me big time. But, I will not post my thoughts on that because frankly, I do not want to be picked apart or bashed for that thought. I'm kinda fragile myself right now with the things that are happening in my life and don't need it.
JMO [/*]

Sorry for whatever you are going through. I wish all of us felt like we could discuss this openly because the objective is to try and shed light on something - anything that might bring Nicholas home.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by isitme

First time I see she posted that he was missing was at 10:31PM 2/16/2008 [/*]

okay thank you isitme

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

How about...#1- yes, I'm sure she's been going thru hell and it probably is getting worse. I always seems to get worse before getting better. I can identify with that.
#2- she has seen how easy is seems to have been that if she cries destitute, people help her with money. She continues on this vein, to continue to get more. After all, she is a month ahead on her mortgage. This is JMOO, but she has seemed from the start to be somewhat of a manipulator. Manipulators go with the flow. They use what is going on to use it to their advantage. She's seen and been rewarded for her cry of hardship. Why not continue and try and get as much as she can? Holding at bay the reality of having to take care of herself and her kids on her own.
Work it for all it's worth.
JMO, IMO, MOO [/*]

Yep, I'm shaking my head up and down, ceiling to floor.

One does not have to come right out and say "please send money to help me immediately, I am in dire straits", to get their point across to those who are buying what she is selling. In fact most are probably more likely to help if she kinda disguises her request with poor pitiful me and my poor pitiful children left with no one to support us and another child on the way.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 10:23 PM

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Last nite I was so dizzy after reading facebook and links to ppl; that I forgot to write this.

CFs fav TV show? C S I

:o [/*]

And I add to your :eek: OMG!!!

huskiki

03-14-2008, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by need2no

YW!

By one I guess you mean one pic of VF. You kind of have to dig on the link to find them, unless she removed them. Curious if she did remove his pics, why.

It sounds like he is a-ok. If Harlett says he is I trust she knows this for a fact or she wouldn't have said so. I'm also certain LE has confirmed the wife's story.

I'll try to find the Utube video of VF and family sometime tonight and post the link. [/*]

He's still missing per the two sites that he's on. Harlett's site has the link to the You Tube video.

[http://hk.youtube.com/stephlettafa

I had sent a message to Stephanie back when we found out about her husband being missing. She was kind enough to respond and said she was keeping his disappearance a private family matter.

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:25 PM

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:26 PM

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:27 PM

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

He's still missing per the two sites that he's on. Harlett's site has the link to the You Tube video.

[http://hk.youtube.com/stephlettafa

I had sent a message to Stephanie back when we found out about her husband being missing. She was kind enough to respond and said she was keeping his disappearance a private family matter. [/*]

Huh? What 2 sites are you referring to?

Thanks for telling me you have the Utube link so now I don't have to search for it.

mc528

03-14-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I really wish someone else would go look because that has been bugging me. [/*]

If you mean, was it posted on Etsy prior to 10:30pm EST on 2/16? Then no, it wasn't, that I'm aware of....10:31pm was the first post. Posting it somewhere else, I can't confirm that, but I've not been able to find anything before the first post on Etsy.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

And I add to your :eek: OMG!!! [/*]

Hit the wrong icon...:o LOL, but am sure you got it. ;)

decor

03-14-2008, 10:29 PM

Christine posted on Etsy on the 16th that her husband was missing. does anyone know for sure that she didn't post it somewhere else first?

were her friends and family doing it for her, setting up websites or did everyone wait until the 16th to announce and do anything about his disappearance?

SHinS

03-14-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Okay let me say this loud and clear I COULD BE WRONG, but the first post I can find with Christine telling everyone her husband is missing is the night of 2-16. If she was online 2-15 I would think she would have put that announcement out there before the evening of the 16th. Maybe I just missed it. [/*]

If you're talking about this one, yes I believe that was her first post about NF missing:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472458

Here's a complete list of all the other posts that followed(in order):

[Rinnovi account]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=Rinnovi+

[Bellastyle]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=bellastyle

[Kauno]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=kauno

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:32 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oregongal

Hit the wrong icon...:o LOL, but am sure you got it. ;) [/*][/QUOTE

********************

I got it and I agree :eek: , I would have expected it to be Martha Stewart or one of the HGTV shows.

Sorry screwed up your quote.

huskiki

03-14-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Huh? What 2 sites are you referring to?

Thanks for telling me you have the Utube link so now I don't have to search for it. [/*]

These two:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/f...read.php?t=3001

They're the only places Fale is reported as missing.

mc528

03-14-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by SHinS

If you're talking about this one, yes I believe that was her first post about NF missing:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472458

Here's a complete list of all the other posts that followed(in order):

[Rinnovi account]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=Rinnovi+

[Bellastyle]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=bellastyle

[Kauno]
http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_type=forum_thread&search_query=kauno [/*]

Sorry....I was wrong about the time...it was 9:45pm on 2/16, not 10:31 pm.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Envision

You've obviously never been in LE or you would know the ways and means of a good investigator. When the guy called, he should have been advised not to go back out near the car or to watch it from outside of his condo or even speak to anyone about it until LE could take action on it. An undercover should have been sent to sit somewhere out of sight, near the car and watch. After a few hours of possibly no one showing up, they can then begin to process the car or if someone did show up to the car, process that person. Also a bad move was notifying the condo complex via the news of the pending search. Gave whoever, if they were indeed there, plenty of time to get away. Now their best chance at a possible lead, is gone. [/*]

I have never heard of LE staking out a missing person's car. Main reason being , the person may be in the trunk for all they know.

KKKKKKatie

03-14-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by isitme

I just find your opening phrase "You've obviously never been in LE or you would know" a bit harsh.

Perhaps I should have said JMHO. MOOO and all of that before asking my questions and posting my thoughts ??????/ [/*]

It was IMO

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

These two:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/f...read.php?t=3001

They're the only places Fale is reported as missing. [/*]

Thanks.

Well I'll be darn.

I'm confused. I knew HFTM still had him on their site, but I never bothered to check WA missing persons after what Harlett said.

KKKKKKatie

03-14-2008, 10:41 PM

Could be that until the evening of the 16th she really didn't realize the enormity of it all. I can see her thinking that maybe he decided to go fishing or to a casino or whatever :shrug:

desmom

03-14-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Envision

You didn't misunderstand the board, only the reasoning behind why LE should have put a watch on the car rather than tow it off immediately. Had they watched it and someone came forth to use it and was confronted by LE, this case may possibly have been over then. [/*]

About 8 years ago, an area woman reported her car stolen. She suspected her ex-husband. Her ex was very well known to LE and had numerous warrants. Four days later, LE spotted the car parked on the street in a residential neighborhood. LE watched the car hoping the ex would surface. After 24 hours and no ex, LE decided to impound the car. The ex-wife was in the trunk. She had been murdered.

IMO, LE deciding to sit on the car or tow the car is a judgement call. NF had been missing for 5 days. They do not know if he is a victim of foul play or if he took off on his own. It is one of those darned if you do and darned if you don't situations.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

I think having 2 kids and one on the way, with a wife that wont work, as she states on her site, She LOVES being a SAHM, and her statements reflect that. She may as well scream "you mean I have to GO TO WORK NOW????"

Like I said, on one post, CF ya need to be sending out your resume' instead of blogging online on facebook and myspace and etsy. That's just, well, that's just absurd.

:shrug: [/*]

I agree CT. I was a SAHM, by my ex's insistence. But CF is much younger, married less years than I and I have no, none, zero, zip, experience or education. She is educated, which speaks volumes in the work world. I don't know if she's had work experience, but with her education, age and talent, she has much opportunity out there for her. I would think that it may be difficult at first but, it is not an unreachable goal for her. But, if you are sitting on your bu** reading and criticizing, defending, whining, your not working a resume or checking out possible ways of income. My divorce attorney admitted to me that he thought he wasn't one for working and alot of his clients think the same, but when the rubber meets the road, no matter what you are used to or how much you love being a SAHM, that falls by the wayside. Reality is reality.
JMO

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Maybe since I took your post to be a bit sarcastic. [/*]

No I was not being sarcastic. I was asking questions and voicing my opinions based on what I know and what I believed.

huskiki

03-14-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thanks.

Well I'll be darn.

I'm confused. I knew HFTM still had him on their site, but I never bothered to check WA missing persons after what Harlett said. [/*]

He was on WA missing persons first. I found that out from the West Seattle Blog. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807 There's a comment that links to WA's missing site but that link doesn't work any more. It was from 2/21. Then HFTM contacted Stephanie I believe and got more info.

It is all very confusing.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by isitme

First time I see she posted that he was missing was at 10:31PM 2/16/2008 [/*]

Thank you for doing this, isitme.
You are a trooper and so kind to this for us.
:beer:

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by desmom

About 8 years ago, an area woman reported her car stolen. She suspected her ex-husband. Her ex was very well known to LE and had numerous warrants. Four days later, LE spotted the car parked on the street in a residential neighborhood. LE watched the car hoping the ex would surface. After 24 hours and no ex, LE decided to impound the car. The ex-wife was in the trunk. She had been murdered.

IMO, LE deciding to sit on the car or tow the car is a judgement call. NF had been missing for 5 days. They do not know if he is a victim of foul play or if he took off on his own. It is one of those darned if you do and darned if you don't situations. [/*]

Wow...your story made the point quite well, and I agree it's a judgement call that has to be made quickly. I think 5 days missing with no clues was one of the reasons they had the car towed. IF NF had been in the trunk odds are he would have been deceased and it wouldn't have mattered whether they found out there are elsewhere. Besides, maybe they checked the trunk before towing the car away. We are not privy to many of the details.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I have never heard of LE staking out a missing person's car. Main reason being , the person may be in the trunk for all they know. [/*]

You're right Kinra. ITA

need2no

03-14-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

He was on WA missing persons first. I found that out from the West Seattle Blog. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807 There's a comment that links to WA's missing site but that link doesn't work any more. It was from 2/21. Then HFTM contacted Stephanie I believe and got more info.

It is all very confusing. [/*]

Yes it is, and the only rationale I can come up with is LE will not remove it until they have checked out Stephanie's story (presumbly saying he has contacted her and is fine), and maybe they have yet to confirm her story. :eek:

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Sorry....I was wrong about the time...it was 9:45pm on 2/16, not 10:31 pm. [/*]

Oh dear I forgot about the first one - the infamous - don't click on that link - one. And totally missed it when I did a search.

isitme

03-14-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Thank you for doing this, isitme.
You are a trooper and so kind to this for us.
:beer: [/*]

YW, Oregongal.

mc528

03-14-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by decor
Christine posted on Etsy on the 16th that her husband was missing. does anyone know for sure that she didn't post it somewhere else first?

were her friends and family doing it for her, setting up websites or did everyone wait until the 16th to announce and do anything about his disappearance? [/*]

I found this blog post, by the Donovan's.....family friends, posted the night of 2/14:

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by desmom

About 8 years ago, an area woman reported her car stolen. She suspected her ex-husband. Her ex was very well known to LE and had numerous warrants. Four days later, LE spotted the car parked on the street in a residential neighborhood. LE watched the car hoping the ex would surface. After 24 hours and no ex, LE decided to impound the car. The ex-wife was in the trunk. She had been murdered.

IMO, LE deciding to sit on the car or tow the car is a judgement call. NF had been missing for 5 days. They do not know if he is a victim of foul play or if he took off on his own. It is one of those darned if you do and darned if you don't situations. [/*]

ITA desmom and I seem to always be catching up, how do you all do this so fast...I'm sure I'll go back to reading and find someone saying the same as I. :eek:
I'm slow I guess. :(

SHinS

03-14-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
Could be that until the evening of the 16th she really didn't realize the enormity of it all. :shrug: [/*]

IMO, I highly doubt it.
If she reported him missing after only 3 hrs I'd conclude she's the panicky type. This being said the "natural" thing to do would be for her to spread the word the very next day(feb14th), the very latest on the 15th.

unless... what? She needed time to concoct a ploy, figure out what she was going to say, how, etc.?

Again, MOO and 1 of the many possible theories.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

You're right Kinra. ITA [/*]

Thank you OG.

Another reason would probably be that there may be evidence in the car that would lead to the missing person and/or perp (if there is one) and they would want to process that as soon as possible so the leads do not go cold.

MOO

KKKKKKatie

03-14-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by SHinS

IMO, I highly doubt it.
If she reported him missing after only 3 hrs I'd conclude she's the panicky type. This being said the "natural" thing to do would be for her to spread the word the very next day(feb14th), the very latest on the 15th.

unless... what? She needed time to concoct a ploy, figure out what she was going to say, how, etc.?

Again, MOO and 1 of the many possible theories. [/*]

don't get me wrong...I agree with you....I am just playing devils advocate here :)

decor

03-14-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I found this blog post, by the Donovan's.....family friends, posted the night of 2/14:

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html [/*]

I would think she was probably allowing others to take care of things for her as that seems to be the way of her life. Around the 16th she probably realized that she had places that she could post too which was why she posted on Etsy. someone even may have asked her if she had places that she could post.

SHinS

03-14-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie

don't get me wrong...I agree with you....I am just playing devils advocate here :) [/*]

I know
I kind of figured you were being sarcastic w/the casino & fishing part lol ;)

(It's been a long day, I'm tired :tongue: )

isitme

03-14-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Thank you OG.

Another reason would probably be that there may be evidence in the car that would lead to the missing person and/or perp (if there is one) and they would want to process that as soon as possible so the leads do not go cold.

MOO [/*]

Yep, those are my thoughts too.

But since I am not LE my judgement call is not necessarily correct. And yes, that was meant to be sarcastic.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by need2no
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oregongal

Hit the wrong icon...:o LOL, but am sure you got it. ;) [/*][/QUOTE

********************

I got it and I agree, I would have expected it to be Martha Stewart or one of the HGTV shows.

Sorry screwed up your quote. [/*]

NP, I got you too!!! LOL And yes, I agree about the Martha etc. shows.
But, it seems she has different interests that don't quite fit with her public persona. :confused:
I know when I was her age and being a SAHM those were my interests. It's only been since I got older and my kids were grown and gone that I got the bug about the crime shows. Now I'm so hooked on ALL of them. I can see her interest in CSI, it's a hugely rated show, I would like to know if she watches any of the others.
Law and Order, Forensic Files....any of those 'real life' type of shows. Lots has been said about 'criminals' watching these shows and how they get ideas, NOT SAYING SHE IS A CRIMINAL!!!!
Just saying, I would be interested in what she watches in addition to CSI.
JMO,MOO,IMO....did I cover all?

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by cteall
Hi all, just finally got caught up for the day, looks like nothing new. Is amazing to me to see the group dynamics, conversation goes along ever so well, then one or two have to jump in obviously just to start an argument. It throws the entire conversation off....hmm, must be intentional. [/*]

Well if you are referring to me, I dont believe I was starting any argument. Sorry most of you don't like me, but I think my point was valid. Seems silly you are trying to say I am turning things into an argument because I made a valid point.

Doesn't surprise me though.

Nellie

03-14-2008, 11:08 PM

soyesterday

03-14-2008, 11:11 PM

Hey everyone!
I think i'm caught up now from today. :seeya:

ThruTheTrees

03-14-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I think she thinks we're all a bunch of bullies.http://fashiongreentbags.blogspot.com/

I do believe her heart was in the right place. [/*]

Bullies... hmm. I read this part "I became aware that the family was in dire need of some financial support as money was needed to provide search materials-fliers and posters, reward money and more." and I wonder, IS that what the money was used for? I think it was just for the "and more". And that's ok, but saying it was for reward money and search materials is, IMO, misleading.

decor

03-14-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well if you are referring to me, I dont believe I was starting any argument. Sorry most of you don't like me, but I think my point was valid. Seems silly you are trying to say I am turning things into an argument because I made a valid point.

Doesn't surprise me though. [/*]

kindra
there are plenty on your side. most have left because they said they gave up because this is all about Christine instead of Nick.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie
Could be that until the evening of the 16th she really didn't realize the enormity of it all. I can see her thinking that maybe he decided to go fishing or to a casino or whatever :shrug: [/*]

Thats what I was wondering and where I was going with this - but he wasn't that kind of guy - he called if he was going to be 15 minutes late. I've scrolled down and have seen where friends were blogging about it on 2-14.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

kindra
there are plenty on your side. most have left because they said they gave up because this is all about Christine instead of Nick. [/*]

Yeah its alright. I do miss Snowbird and Musterion though. Those were good peeps. lol

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by decor

I would think she was probably allowing others to take care of things for her as that seems to be the way of her life. Around the 16th she probably realized that she had places that she could post too which was why she posted on Etsy. someone even may have asked her if she had places that she could post. [/*]

That makes sense.

mc528

03-14-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Bullies... hmm. I read this part "I became aware that the family was in dire need of some financial support as money was needed to provide search materials-fliers and posters, reward money and more." and I wonder, IS that what the money was used for? I think it was just for the "and more". And that's ok, but saying it was for reward money and search materials is, IMO, misleading. [/*]

IMO, that truly was what everyone had been under the impression the donations were for, up until about a week later.

decor

03-14-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Yeah its alright. I do miss Snowbird and Musterion though. Those were good peeps. lol [/*]

there are others too.

cteall was referring to me I think.

they just hate it when they are on a roll ripping Christine up believing that this helps the case and then I come in and say something and it interrupts the momentum. :)

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Sorry for whatever you are going through. I wish all of us felt like we could discuss this openly because the objective is to try and shed light on something - anything that might bring Nicholas home. [/*]

Thank you and NP Rainy, I wish that too, but, I've learned that some opinions are fair game for some to attack. Feel free to pm me.
;)

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I think she thinks we're all a bunch of bullies.http://fashiongreentbags.blogspot.com/

I do believe her heart was in the right place. [/*]

Oh I do too and have said that several times.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:22 PM

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by decor

there are others too.

cteall was referring to me I think.

they just hate it when they are on a roll ripping Christine up believing that this helps the case and then I come in and say something and it interrupts the momentum. :) [/*]

LOL Decor. You do a good job and with lots of tact I think. Not sure why it ruffles so many feathers. ;)

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by decor

kindra
there are plenty on your side. most have left because they said they gave up because this is all about Christine instead of Nick. [/*]

Decor - how in the world can we discuss Nick without mentioning Christine? Good grief - when Jessica Lunsford went missing, people brought up poor old Grandpa and things he did in the 50s. I just do not see why this is an exception. I am all ears though if you'd like to explain it - seriously.

mc528

03-14-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

But 'she' didn't post it. :confused:
JMO [/*]

You're correct, it was asked if any friends or family had posted anything prior to CF's post the night of 2/16.

need2no

03-14-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

NP, I got you too!!! LOL And yes, I agree about the Martha etc. shows.
But, it seems she has different interests that don't quite fit with her public persona. :confused:
I know when I was her age and being a SAHM those were my interests. It's only been since I got older and my kids were grown and gone that I got the bug about the crime shows. Now I'm so hooked on ALL of them. I can see her interest in CSI, it's a hugely rated show, I would like to know if she watches any of the others.
Law and Order, Forensic Files....any of those 'real life' type of shows. Lots has been said about 'criminals' watching these shows and how they get ideas, NOT SAYING SHE IS A CRIMINAL!!!!
Just saying, I would be interested in what she watches in addition to CSI.
JMO,MOO,IMO....did I cover all? [/*]

I've been hooked on true crime since I was a teenager, and believe me that was many years ago. Maybe it's the length of time I've been interested but if I disappeared tomorrow and LE inquired about my interests in reading or TV, EVERYONE who knows me would say True Crime immediately. Heck for that matter they could look in my home and quickly figure it out from my book and video collection, not to mention the hard drive on my computer :eek: . But I promise I have never committed a crime in my life. LOL

There was a murder case a few years ago and it came out during the trial that the defendant loved the show (I believe it was CSI), and upon further investigation by LE they discovered CSI had a show with almost the exact same plot as the details in this murder that was committed. Needless to say she was found guilty. I wish I could remember the case and more details. Maybe someone here can refresh my memory.

Getting back to Christine..maybe she has 2 sides, the public and private side. The person she feels she should be, and the person she wants to be. Oh no it's starting to sound like I am analyzing her...certainly did mean to do that. lol

decor

03-14-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

LOL Decor. You do a good job and with lots of tact I think. Not sure why it ruffles so many feathers. ;) [/*]

because everyone is defensive. something which they do not allow Christine to be :)

SHinS

03-14-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I think she thinks we're all a bunch of bullies.http://fashiongreentbags.blogspot.com/

I do believe her heart was in the right place. [/*]

Maybe so... or perhaps she just saw this as an opportunity to get her shop some publicity. Yeah I know that sounds bad but it could nonetheless be fact.

She should have known better, that's all I will say. You don't root for someone you know nothing about. As far as I read she didn't know CF or NF. I could be wrong.

Besides this wasn't the first time someone was posting requests for donations, it actually happens quite regularly on etsy. And yes some of those posts turn/ed out to be scams.

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well if you are referring to me, I dont believe I was starting any argument. Sorry most of you don't like me, but I think my point was valid. Seems silly you are trying to say I am turning things into an argument because I made a valid point.

Doesn't surprise me though. [/*]

Now, now, Kindra, I didn't think you were starting any argument, I appreciate your thoughts. I like you and as I've learned on this board...don't take things too personally. Hold your head up and forge ahead and ignore what you don't agree with...or agree to disagree.
:rose:

Nellie

03-14-2008, 11:30 PM

I'm sorry to those who think we are over analyzing Christine. I have tried to be cautious about what I say. But, honestly I don't know how to take Christine out of the picture. Every bit of information we have has come from her so it's what we discuss.
If this was reversed, we'd be discussing Nicholas in the same way. I've held back on a lot of things I've thought about this case. But to say we can look at this case without looking into the actions/words of Christine is not realisitic. In every case those people involved in the case become part of the case. But I will also say, it does not bother me a bit to have others give us another side to it. Why can't we just discuss our thoughts without attacking each other's thoughts?

I miss Musterion too. Where did she go?

Cury-us Coyote

03-14-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I have never heard of LE staking out a missing person's car. Main reason being , the person may be in the trunk for all they know. [/*]

IMO, as conditions warrant LE establishes surveillance of a missing person's vehicle - Amber Hess investigation reported attached below.

Meanwhile, deputies were looking for the victim's car and reporters were given a description of it. Two people were riding their bicycles on June 25 when they saw the car that matched the description given in news reports. On the way home to call authorities, the couple saw deputies parked in a store parking lot in the San Tan area and told them where the victim's car was parked. It was parked only a short distance from the homes of the suspects.

Detectives knew at that point that a body had been found, but they were not sure it was the victim. Surveillance of the car was set up in case the suspects returned.

"We had guys hiding in trees and bushes for four hours. At 1 a.m. that night we called it off and impounded the car," Lee said. It was processed for evidence.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18549150&BRD=1817&PAG=461&dept%20id

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday
Hey everyone!
I think i'm caught up now from today. :seeya: [/*]

Hi Soy!
:seeya:

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm sorry to those who think we are over analyzing Christine. I have tried to be cautious about what I say. But, honestly I don't know how to take Christine out of the picture. Every bit of information we have has come from her so it's what we discuss.
If this was reversed, we'd be discussing Nicholas in the same way. I've held back on a lot of things I've thought about this case. But to say we can look at this case without looking into the actions/words of Christine is not realisitic. In every case those people involved in the case become part of the case. But I will also say, it does not bother me a bit to have others give us another side to it. Why can't we just discuss our thoughts without attacking each other's thoughts?

I miss Musterion too. Where did she go? [/*]

The problem is that we are not allowed to even factor Christine into the equation. They are high fiving thinking it is funny. Sorry I don't - I've been serious about this.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Decor - how in the world can we discuss Nick without mentioning Christine? Good grief - when Jessica Lunsford went missing, people brought up poor old Grandpa and things he did in the 50s. I just do not see why this is an exception. I am all ears though if you'd like to explain it - seriously. [/*]

I know you didn't direct this towards me Rainy but I would like to answer as well. The original thread got so big it ended up with its own section. (which is good). However, 80% of that was devoted to what Christine acted like that people didn't like.

When you discussed the Grandpa thing in the 50s (Correct me if I'm wrong because I really don't know what that means but I assume that Grandpa may have had some sort of shady past) there was a reason. He looked like a suspect. I know I am beating a dead horse when I say this, but most of you have admitted Christine is not a suspect (nor does LE say she is).

There is nothing wrong at all with discussing her. But dragging her continuously through the mud is another.

I personally think most of the time you guys (or gals..lol) have done much better with that and most of the things lately I have no issue with.

I personally just have empathy for anyone who is missing a family member and therefore when it gets ugly, I think some need to speak up.

decor

03-14-2008, 11:34 PM

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Now, now, Kindra, I didn't think you were starting any argument, I appreciate your thoughts. I like you and as I've learned on this board...don't take things too personally. Hold your head up and forge ahead and ignore what you don't agree with...or agree to disagree.
:rose: [/*]

I hear ya OG. I completely agree. My apologies for being defensive.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I know you didn't direct this towards me Rainy but I would like to answer as well. The original thread got so big it ended up with its own section. (which is good). However, 80% of that was devoted to what Christine acted like that people didn't like.

When you discussed the Grandpa thing in the 50s (Correct me if I'm wrong because I really don't know what that means but I assume that Grandpa may have had some sort of shady past) there was a reason. He looked like a suspect. I know I am beating a dead horse when I say this, but most of you have admitted Christine is not a suspect (nor does LE say she is).

There is nothing wrong at all with discussing her. But dragging her continuously through the mud is another.

I personally think most of the time you guys (or gals..lol) have done much better with that and most of the things lately I have no issue with.

I personally just have empathy for anyone who is missing a family member and therefore when it gets ugly, I think some need to speak up. [/*]

Kendra - I do too - I couldn't even look at their pictures and try to discuss this objectively. It is something I struggle with but then I remember there is a young man missing without a trace. Decor always says Christine has no voice when in actuality it is Nicholas without a voice. Thank you for your post - I do understand what you are saying.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

The problem is that we are not allowed to even factor Christine into the equation. They are high fiving thinking it is funny. Sorry I don't - I've been serious about this. [/*]

Who is "they" and who is high fiving? lol

I dont think I have ever used that ecomotion on these threads. Of course you can talk about Christine. I think you guys have to great extent. As I said before, when it gets ugly and personal and has nothing to do with the case, I do chime in.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:39 PM

decor

03-14-2008, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Kendra - I do too - I couldn't even look at their pictures and try to discuss this objectively. It is something I struggle with but then I remember there is a young man missing without a trace. Decor always says Christine has no voice when in actuality it is Nicholas without a voice. Thank you for your post - I do understand what you are saying. [/*]

Nicholas only doesn't have a voice if he is deceased. If he isn't then he just chooses not to use his voice.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Kendra - I do too - I couldn't even look at their pictures and try to discuss this objectively. It is something I struggle with but then I remember there is a young man missing without a trace. Decor always says Christine has no voice when in actuality it is Nicholas without a voice. Thank you for your post - I do understand what you are saying. [/*]

Well thank you Rainy. Although we dont agree a lot, I do respect you.

soyesterday

03-14-2008, 11:41 PM

Just curious....
not trying to start anything....
but i've seen this said a few times...
that "noone is accusing Christine"...
"noone thinks she did it"...
"it'd be different if someone thought she was guilty"
etc.....
but i've wrote a few times that i DO think she has something to do w/ him missing....
that i don't trust her and the way she's doing stuff....
so i just want to ask this:
IF i do suspect her....IF i do think she is the reason why he's missing and that she either did it or has something to do w/ it....
am i allowed to talk about her then?

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Who is "they" and who is high fiving? lol

I dont think I have ever used that ecomotion on these threads. Of course you can talk about Christine. I think you guys have to great extent. As I said before, when it gets ugly and personal and has nothing to do with the case, I do chime in. [/*]

What has been discussed in the last few days that you think should not have been? I'm really trying to see what you are saying.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:43 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well thank you Rainy. Although we dont agree a lot, I do respect you. [/*]

Thank you - I appreciate that. Sorry I've been misspelling your name.

decor

03-14-2008, 11:43 PM

AND if Nicholas is alive and he has been reading everything and allowed his wife to be dragged thru this mess then I have no respect for him at all.

sometimes people are SO selfish and only think about something affects them without any regard for their entire family.

at this point whichever way it turns out it is not good. if he is deceased it is bad for everyone.

if it is only because he wants to hide them it is bad for everyone except him.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

What has been discussed in the last few days that you think should not have been? I'm really trying to see what you are saying. [/*]

As I said Rainy, from what I have seen, its been getting much better. I cant read all these threads because I work. However, obviously I havent had too many issues or Im sure I would have said something. lol

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by decor
AND if Nicholas is alive and he has been reading everything and allowed his wife to be dragged thru this mess then I have no respect for him at all.

sometimes people are SO selfish and only think about something affects them without any regard for their entire family.

at this point whichever way it turns out it is not good. if he is deceased it is bad for everyone.

if it is only because he wants to hide them it is bad for everyone except him. [/*]

Unless he has a brain tumor.

RainyNiteNTx

03-14-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

As I said Rainy, from what I have seen, its been getting much better. I cant read all these threads because I work. However, obviously I havent had too many issues or Im sure I would have said something. lol [/*]

LOL point taken

Oregongal

03-14-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm sorry to those who think we are over analyzing Christine. I have tried to be cautious about what I say. But, honestly I don't know how to take Christine out of the picture. Every bit of information we have has come from her so it's what we discuss.
If this was reversed, we'd be discussing Nicholas in the same way. I've held back on a lot of things I've thought about this case. But to say we can look at this case without looking into the actions/words of Christine is not realisitic. In every case those people involved in the case become part of the case. But I will also say, it does not bother me a bit to have others give us another side to it. Why can't we just discuss our thoughts without attacking each other's thoughts?

I miss Musterion too. Where did she go? [/*]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!
Don't know where Musterion went, maybe she got tired of the nit picking as I did last night. I'm back, but some just go and don't come back. JMO

figritout

03-14-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

So, do you think he was let go? Who signs off on something? That's a term usually reserved for a loan, did he usually "sign off" on projects at work? Cuz, I need to know.

Did he leave w. his personal thngs meaning he was let go? Being let go could have/would have been a perfect vehicle/reason for running......
Lots of me and women do it every day. Yes, they up and leave their kids. It is a horrible exp when you witness it.
Esp if you think "well, that could never happen, so and so would NEVER do that" but the truth is, when push comes to shove, yes ppl do up and leave.

There is something not setting right w.me for this whole case. I dont believe that her actions are appropriate, asking for money, worrying about money; right away acting as if he were dead (unless she knew he was) stating seriously that she just knew he was dead......

I dont know if this is a scam. But I was on facebook and myspace last nite for hours, just reading, looking and trying to see exactly who knew who and who was friends with whom and how often ppl PM each other, and What CF internet "tracks" were the day and the day after NF "left"
She was not online. She ususally is online, 2am 1am mindnite etc.
Feb 15th her online activiity picked right back up without hardly skipping a beat.

I have a problem with this.

CT [/*]

Cat Toy, I am following you and reading your posts regularly.. But I am not posting alot.. Just want you to know I am reading what you are saying and thinking... Hmmm. You have some experience here I would say.. I always worry that email doesn't put it across.. I support what you have to say...

decor

03-14-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Last nite I was worried about this timeline, so I posted part of the days postings from her facebook. We do that over here, so if there are any Etsy's here, or whatever, we have tenacles too. The Net is about the longest one we have. And I noticed on her facebook just that little blip, then; right back to posting. :shrug: So if it's deleted or erased, I already copied and pasted it because, unfortunately there sometimes are spouses who murder. Men and women.
:shrug: [/*]

I was going to ask you to post a link because someone posted a link earlier to Nicholas's facebook wall, because I would have liked to have read it and discussed it but realized there would have been no discussion except that how she did it, when she did it, how horrible she was because she did it, no discussion about whether people this age are just communicating this way as it is different than the way I grew up or if she was not dealing with reality and that was why but those things would have never been looked at or discussed so I didn't bother asking.

figritout

03-14-2008, 11:52 PM

soyesterday

03-14-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

If NF is dead, murdered and washes up somewhere, believe me CF will be the No 1 Suspect. That's just the way LE and crime works. PPl in LE know this; she would have to be ruled out FIRST, and as far as I'm concerned she has made my freak flag fly.

Want me to go into body language next? Because I will have to address that soon. If Nic needed to walk away I'm sure he would have contacted someone by now, an ATTY to make a statement first and foremost. But he hasnt. That makes me wonder if he DID make it home that night because we cannot take CF word at face value, not when a crime might be in progress. Just cant do it no can no way no how.
This has nothing to do with CF but EVERYTHING to do with what her actions have been; what her footprints online have been, and what her statements have been. If NF turns up dead, she is the one w/motive. They had problems, $$ problems, the NO 1 Reason to kill a spouse, besides jealousy. Maybe he told her she would have to go to work, maybe there was a fight. We can speculate all we want to; until his family speaks out and says he has been located, and left his family.......shes on my radar. It's like a fact of life, when it comes to a case.
CT [/*]

I totally agree w/ you.
I just don't trust her or anything she is saying.
She makes me feel uncomfortable.
I really just can't believe her "stories".

PerneciaJane

03-14-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I think she thinks we're all a bunch of bullies.http://fashiongreentbags.blogspot.com/

I do believe her heart was in the right place. [/*]

She has made an excellent post, everyone should read it.

KindraLore

03-14-2008, 11:55 PM

I dont get where yall keep saying they had money problems. Because she said something about logging into his PayPal account?

Because LE said they went through their financial records and found nothing of concern.

PerneciaJane

03-14-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by decor

kindra
there are plenty on your side. most have left because they said they gave up because this is all about Christine instead of Nick. [/*]

I like you Kindra, also the above is correct. I read here but very seldom post.

decor

03-14-2008, 11:59 PM

cat
you are not here tearing her apart constantly. you have looked at what you
think her behavior is, I assume that you feel that she is quilty of being involved in the disappearance in some way.

this is completely different than rehashing over and over about all of the things Christine has said, they way she moves her eyes, the things she posts, they way she says things, they way she talks about her stores, the way she runs her stores, what she says about her stores, etc.

big difference.

figritout

03-14-2008, 11:59 PM

Hi Everyone,
I just did, and I am sorry, what I have criticized other people of doing. Bypassed pages of posts without reading.. How do they build up so quickly.. Anyways, does anyone here subscribe to the theory that this man might have actually made it home?

They obviously, to CF, had huge financial problems.. NFs income did not meet her needs. She, from what she has been doing since he has gone missing, probably didn't meet "his" needs. Alot of arguments about money going on, I would assume because of what she has said..

Does anyone think he might have actually made it home, and...
Being vague I know, but alot of you should know what I am going at..

mc528

03-15-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore
I dont get where yall keep saying they had money problems. Because she said something about logging into his PayPal account?

Because LE said they went through their financial records and found nothing of concern. [/*]

There are several new stories, from yesterday - follow-ups by local media, and an update made by Christine last night, that have confirmed the money challenges.

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well Soy, I guess you are "allowed" to do what you want. In return, I am "allowed" to comment back. I think thats how it works around here.

However, if you do suspect Christine, I would like to hear your theory on how she did it. [/*]

Well i'm not sure i have "my theory" all figured out.
Although i have posted a senerio way back, but i have no idea what day that was or anything.
I think maybe she could have had help.
A bf maybe.
A friend.
A stranger....a "hitman" kind of thing....
maybe she has or had to pay him off.
I don't know.
But i don't neccesarily believe that Nicholas did NOT come that night and something wasn't waiting for him when he did.
I would love to say what i think about her actions and how i totally think the things she is doing is crap, but honestly, i'm not very good at defending myself.
And i know it will start up stuff w/ some of the people here.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That's it exactly I couldnt have said it any better, hear hear! You know, as I do, that the children alone would dictate the finances. Most young couples do NOT have a choice any more; they are usually two income families. What I'm having trouble with is knowing that his pay cant have been in the 6 digits in salary, and whether he flat out left because he couldn't deal, or they fought and he was killed, or he killed himself.....until LE starts working this case, no one will know. I want to hear more about this storage facility. Why hasnt she hired a PI??? It's been a MONTH!! A MONTH!! I would have had a PI on retainer, after 7 days. FIVE DAYS!! I believed his mother on Greta, I really felt that she did not know. But I also got the sense that maybe she is not close with her DIL, CF. And as we've seen with so many cases, family comes out and supports their in laws and then they find they are monsters. Monsters come in all shapes and sizes. I dont know why anyone would be tip toeing around, this is a CRIME MESSAGE BOARD FORUM. We Discuss ppl who commit crimes, we "follow the case" AND LE and how they work and handle the case.
This is not EtsyBitsy. This is the real world, in all it's ugly glory.
And this story so far, reeks.
CT
hammer [/*]

Wow CT. You are passionate about it eh? Well I think she wouldnt hire a PI because she has no job and now her husband is missing. PI's are very expensive. She was talking about eventually having to file bankruptcy.

As far as being a crime board, etc.. I think I have stood my ground on why I chime in when I do so nuff said with that.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 12:02 AM

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
..., unfortunately there sometimes are spouses who murder. Men and women.
:shrug: [/*]

I snipped, I agree about the spouses that murder....men and women.
And hammer me if you want, there is still the possibility that CF had something to do with NF's disappearance. We don't know since LE hasn't announced or let any details about this case out except for the ambiguious 'suspicious' and 'still investigating'.
I agree that they may be and probably are holding back details on this case. Why? We don't know, but I've said it before...I trust LE, they have the experience and the training and they know all the facts. Probably more of the facts than CF posted on her blog.
I have followed too many cases where the public was outraged at not knowing things and it turned out in the end where they held these things back for a big reason. As hard as it is, I continue to be patient an wait for LE and not question their procedure, even if it seems at times wrong to all of us on a message forum. In this day of instant information, we think we should know everything instantly, but in the interest of finding out exactly what happened to NF, I would rather they not fall into the 'instant' and go thru with their plan of a thorough investigation.
JMO

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by figritout
Hi Everyone,
I just did, and I am sorry, what I have criticized other people of doing. Bypassed pages of posts without reading.. How do they build up so quickly.. Anyways, does anyone here subscribe to the theory that this man might have actually made it home?

They obviously, to CF, had huge financial problems.. NFs income did not meet her needs. She, from what she has been doing since he has gone missing, probably didn't meet "his" needs. Alot of arguments about money going on, I would assume because of what she has said..

Does anyone think he might have actually made it home, and...
Being vague I know, but alot of you should know what I am going at.. [/*]

yes
i strongly think that : (

need2no

03-15-2008, 12:04 AM

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
What case are you following? She is ready to foreclose on her home. This is about $$ $$ $$ almost every single interview CF has done. Oh yes, she just finds out she is expecting, 2 kids, one income, internet endevours that dont appear to have been generating much income AT ALL, add it up. Do you think she took donations for the fun of it? And Whoops a PayPal acct with a balance that wasnt what she thought it should be..........
mommadramma "he was sheilding me from the debt"
(hand on forehead)
GMAB

:cuss: [/*]

"What case have you been following". No reason to be snippy. I thought we are all trying to get along here.

Of course she has money problems now. Her husband is missing.

However, LE stated that they searched their financial records before and found nothing. To me that means a) no reason to leave because of large debt and *) no substantial money taken from the accounts.

decor

03-15-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by PerneciaJane

She has made an excellent post, everyone should read it. [/*]

you're right, those posts were excellent.

and I guess that was what I was aiming at without realizing it.

there is a difference between discussing a case and the people involved and just bullying a person that is involved.

desmom

03-15-2008, 12:08 AM

IMO, if CF is looking at bankruptcy, their financial problems began a long time before NF disappeared.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by mc528

There are several new stories, from yesterday - follow-ups by local media, and an update made by Christine last night, that have confirmed the money challenges. [/*]

I had to come on here. I had a breaking news email from KING 5 that a body of an adult male has been found in Bellevue. It is in a home so probably not related but can't find too much out yet.

O/T Wanna read a gut wrenching story.. check out the one about the 4 yo that was nearly starved to death on www.king5.com.

mc528

03-15-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Money challenges now you mean? I'm sure she does now. She was a stay at home mom and he brought in most of the income. [/*]

Since she has still been receiving NF's paychecks and a large amount of donations that are still continuing, in order to be that close to BK and foreclosure, the problems would likely have been there before 2/13, IMO. The links to the recent article and interviews are in the sticky thread, not sure if CF's recent update is: http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

Comments #209, 210 & 212 are from CF last night, after the article and interviews

Silver_Dove

03-15-2008, 12:09 AM

I don't think I have seen anyone say anything about this but am I the only one who noticed that in all of CF's on line stuff she talks about God and being a stay at home mother but NF's has none of this? Closes is the sets of pictures of this kids that have now been deleted. No mention that I can find of God and only a few about being married. Everything else is just like every other nerd on the net. Another one of those little things that make me think he may not have been everything that CF thinks he is. Meaning he might have just walked away from all the pressure.

KKKKKKatie

03-15-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by desmom
IMO, if CF is looking at bankruptcy, their financial problems began a long time before NF disappeared. [/*]

ITA....and LE saying nothing unusual with their finances could mean that they were just as in debt after he disappeared as before

Danette44

03-15-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I would think so also...but...maybe she was in shock. I still would like to give her the benefit of doubt. Altho, since last night, I have something else rolling around in my mind. [/*]

My mind is right beside yours.......things happen in 3's perhaps comments can also.......

1) Sweet Husband - pefect marriage

2) Shielding thier debts - everyone has problems in thier marriage

3) foul play, murder, now water..........hmmmmm

Do it bash me, but hey - the water would be a perfect start for a new search, that should of been done in the first place! I hear Washington has some pretty mountains, why no search going on there? I figuered she would come up with a way to stop posting on her website - perhaps that was due to the detective coming back..........but she is answering questions at that other site.........so go figure....JMOO IMO HMO Mad I have land payments due in march.......thats going to kill me......guess I will have to put up with all them during overtime.......:biggrin:

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday

yes
i strongly think that : ( [/*]

Well OK then.. Let's look at this..
There was no plan to go to costco for sugar, no plan to bake cookies.

NF as usual goes home and is met with planned foul play.. We are at 7 p.m. Maybe earlier.. Time to move the car, which wasn't part of anything, leave the keys.. Let what happens, happens after that.. Poor fool that drove it probably saw on the news and panicked..
Now there is plenty of time to clean things up.. How that is done? I don't know, hey maybe water is involved?

Get yourself together, call the police and, gosh "my husband shielded me from the debt"..

Money starts rolling in, pay the mortgage through April.. Wouldn't we all like that opportunity?.. Don't forget the gift cards etc.. Then he is gone a month.. Get a job, heck no.. Someone take care of me..

I don't think NF could meet her needs..

Just my opinon folks.. I have always thought it was planned out fould play.. I looked at the church and work.. But they are doing so much more than the one person that should be the spearheading it all..

We are looking for you NF...

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yup :D I'm here to write about it; dats what I'm doing. But, what is CF doing poking really handsome guys on facebook weeks before her husband leaves? And, just what does her online behavior show; during that first week he was just "gone"
What do her interveiws tell us? What does LE think? I'll bet LE is thinking what i'm thinking and thensome.
Lets say there was a car jacking. The person would also; want your atm and your pin. Simple, this is par for the course. Nope we dont have that. No sign of foul play with the car, just his car, parked not too far from home really......I'd love to know if there is CCTV for the condo? Why did she put down the area the car was parked in in her interview? I think that really stuck out to me too..
but the facebook blogging, the timeline of the posts, that really stood out to me. Not only were there facebook postings, there were Etsy postings, then inSession postings, myspace postings,
Yeah Right.
Maybe NFs marriage wasnt all that we've heard from CF? Again, we go back to that same issue. Behind closed doors, where no one knows what's really going on. Her daughters behavior to her mommadramma on camera? Terribly disturbing to me. It has stuck w.me for a week now. A week.
CT [/*]
oh sorry
but i missed that one!
forgive me for being ignorant, but what do you mean CF was "poking at handsome guys" before Nicholas went missing?
Can u explain????
TIA.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I had to come on here. I had a breaking news email from KING 5 that a body of an adult male has been found in Bellevue. It is in a home so probably not related but can't find too much out yet.

O/T Wanna read a gut wrenching story.. check out the one about the 4 yo that was nearly starved to death on www.king5.com. [/*]

OMG how far is Bellevue from Seattle?

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday
Just curious....
not trying to start anything....
but i've seen this said a few times...
that "noone is accusing Christine"...
"noone thinks she did it"...
"it'd be different if someone thought she was guilty"
etc.....
but i've wrote a few times that i DO think she has something to do w/ him missing....
that i don't trust her and the way she's doing stuff....
so i just want to ask this:
IF i do suspect her....IF i do think she is the reason why he's missing and that she either did it or has something to do w/ it....
am i allowed to talk about her then? [/*]

That is a big reason I've held back on some of my thoughts soy.
I have felt that if I did think she did it or has somehthing to do with it, I'm not allowed to talk about her.
I have tried to put myself in her shoes, I have some experience with a man that has left, not gone missing, but left, when I thought all was fine. I have empathy for her if she didn't know what was up and is faced with all that that entails. I have sympathy for her if she truly knows nothing. But....I do have been suspicious of her for many reasons. I have also felt that I cannot speak of these because of my fear of being ripped.
I understand what you are trying to say, totally. And after seeing some of the exchanges on this board and the attacking that is done also feel that I'm not allowed to talk about her then.
JMO, IMO, MOO

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yup :D I'm here to write about it; dats what I'm doing. But, what is CF doing poking really handsome guys on facebook weeks before her husband leaves? And, just what does her online behavior show; during that first week he was just "gone"
What do her interveiws tell us? What does LE think? I'll bet LE is thinking what i'm thinking and thensome.
Lets say there was a car jacking. The person would also; want your atm and your pin. Simple, this is par for the course. Nope we dont have that. No sign of foul play with the car, just his car, parked not too far from home really......I'd love to know if there is CCTV for the condo? Why did she put down the area the car was parked in in her interview? I think that really stuck out to me too..
but the facebook blogging, the timeline of the posts, that really stood out to me. Not only were there facebook postings, there were Etsy postings, then inSession postings, myspace postings,
Yeah Right.
Maybe NFs marriage wasnt all that we've heard from CF? Again, we go back to that same issue. Behind closed doors, where no one knows what's really going on. Her daughters behavior to her mommadramma on camera? Terribly disturbing to me. It has stuck w.me for a week now. A week.
CT [/*]

For some reason I have a hard time reading your post CT. No offense.

No evidence in the car to me doesnt prove anything. He could have been driven to an isolated area and a crime occurred outside the car.

Im not sure about all the facebook stuff except to say Christine is pregnant, so it would be weird her messing around. Not discounting it but I also look at the big picture. No one ever knows behind closed doors no, but they truly looked happy for the most part.

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

That is a big reason I've held back on some of my thoughts soy.
I have felt that if I did think she did it or has somehthing to do with it, I'm not allowed to talk about her.
I have tried to put myself in her shoes, I have some experience with a man that has left, not gone missing, but left, when I thought all was fine. I have empathy for her if she didn't know what was up and is faced with all that that entails. I have sympathy for her if she truly knows nothing. But....I do have been suspicious of her for many reasons. I have also felt that I cannot speak of these because of my fear of being ripped.
I understand what you are trying to say, totally. And after seeing some of the exchanges on this board and the attacking that is done also feel that I'm not allowed to talk about her then.
JMO, IMO, MOO [/*]

Wow looks like many of us are starting to think in the same box...

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

OMG how far is Bellevue from Seattle? [/*]

Lake Washington seperates Seattle and Bellevue. Bellevue is just the the east of Seattle.. about 10 minutes or so.

KindraLore

03-15-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by mc528

Since she has still been receiving NF's paychecks and a large amount of donations that are still continuing, in order to be that close to BK and foreclosure, the problems would likely have been there before 2/13, IMO. The links to the recent article and interviews are in the sticky thread, not sure if CF's recent update is: http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

Comments #209, 210 & 212 are from CF last night, after the article and interviews [/*]

No one knows how much she got in donations but I the fact remains, she is unemployed.

(and sorry Im being slow. I stepped away and catching up)

KKKKKKatie

03-15-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

That is a big reason I've held back on some of my thoughts soy.
I have felt that if I did think she did it or has somehthing to do with it, I'm not allowed to talk about her.
I have tried to put myself in her shoes, I have some experience with a man that has left, not gone missing, but left, when I thought all was fine. I have empathy for her if she didn't know what was up and is faced with all that that entails. I have sympathy for her if she truly knows nothing. But....I do have been suspicious of her for many reasons. I have also felt that I cannot speak of these because of my fear of being ripped.
I understand what you are trying to say, totally. And after seeing some of the exchanges on this board and the attacking that is done also feel that I'm not allowed to talk about her then.
JMO, IMO, MOO [/*]

I feel the same way.....it is ridiculous IMO as long as all we are doing is going over scenarios and not accusing her of something I don't get it.

KKKKKKatie

03-15-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
This is really very possible. I find her to be high maintenance, and that's evident from how much public opinion of her matters.......her priority's are a mess. Thats a fact.

You know what I say, what loving wife, would ERASE PHOTOS of her husband that she KNOWS IS DEAD, after he's been gone a month, how does she justify that? What in her mind gives her the right to erase him like that from his pages, going into his accts, and taking his photos down? You know what I see, I dont see many photos of them together on their pages anyway. There are some travel photos, but not very many at all. Not for 7 yrs worth; and since they love photog so much why take down his photos, who would do that? Maybe someone who wants to erase their spouse? :shrug: [/*]

I was going to post that about the photos a few days ago CT but then I got to thinking about how I aqm not in very many family photos because I am the one who always takes them...so I kept my mouth shut LOL

mc528

03-15-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by figritout

Wow looks like many of us are starting to think in the same box... [/*]

I've been in a similar box for quite awhile.....probably about three and 1/2 weeks. Not the same exact box, but close. From almost the beginning, to me, things just haven't added up - I just kept attributing that to *new math* that maybe I wasn't skilled in.

desmom

03-15-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

OMG how far is Bellevue from Seattle? [/*]

Per google.....

Seattle - 11 miles

SeaTac - 17 miles

Federal Way - 27 miles

Lower Queen Anne - 11. miles.

need2no

03-15-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by mc528

Since she has still been receiving NF's paychecks and a large amount of donations that are still continuing, in order to be that close to BK and foreclosure, the problems would likely have been there before 2/13, IMO. The links to the recent article and interviews are in the sticky thread, not sure if CF's recent update is: http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

Comments #209, 210 & 212 are from CF last night, after the article and interviews [/*]

Maybe Christine paid the January and February past due mortgage payments instead of March and April...

If you think about it she still doesn't want to come out and say they were in a horrible financial situation BEFORE NF disappeared, she makes it sound like the debt is all due to NF being gone. I have to question WHY?

isitme

03-15-2008, 12:27 AM

I think it would sad indeed if NF is found dead. It would be shocking to some if it was determined that CF was involved. But wouldn't it be sad if in the subsequent discussions here we find out that there were clues that could have solved this case but they were said out loud because we are afraid that we will be :punch: for being mean to CF?

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
MP it's so beautiful, I used to have a view of it from my living room.
I like lake washington a LOT :D [/*]

Me too! I used to live on the Seattle side by the water 15 years ago... would love to live on the Bellevue side in Medina tho but don't think I will ever have that much money. Still have hope Bill Gates will invite me over someday.:D

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
This is really very possible. I find her to be high maintenance, and that's evident from how much public opinion of her matters.......her priority's are a mess. Thats a fact.

You know what I say, what loving wife, would ERASE PHOTOS of her husband that she KNOWS IS DEAD, after he's been gone a month, how does she justify that? What in her mind gives her the right to erase him like that from his pages, going into his accts, and taking his photos down? You know what I see, I dont see many photos of them together on their pages anyway. There are some travel photos, but not very many at all. Not for 7 yrs worth; and since they love photog so much why take down his photos, who would do that? Maybe someone who wants to erase their spouse? :shrug: [/*]
I know right????
What reason does she have for "erasing" him?
Aaaaahhh......it just makes me so upset....
Why???
:confused:

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by mc528

I've been in a similar box for quite awhile.....probably about three and 1/2 weeks. Not the same exact box, but close. From almost the beginning, to me, things just haven't added up - I just kept attributing that to *new math* that maybe I wasn't skilled in. [/*]

I myself, have been afraid to really start articulating it.. I get so frustrated, as you can see from my posts.. Agressive, passive, waffling.. But I have always felt it is foul play.. And am systematically ruling out, and it leaves me with CF.. She just isn't right.. I haven't wanted to hurt her feelings etc... I thnk she knows exactly what happened and has many who can't believe a wife would harm her husband footing the bill.. unfortunaty we may never be able to prove it..

isitme

03-15-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

(sniped)

Did NF come home that evening?

That's what I wanna know.
CT [/*]

Let's also not forget who sent him to Cosco???

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by isitme
I think it would sad indeed if NF is found dead. It would be shocking to some if it was determined that CF was involved. But wouldn't it be sad if in the subsequent discussions here we find out that there were clues that could have solved this case but they were said out loud because we are afraid that we will be :punch: for being mean to CF? [/*]

This is where I have a hard time - yes I would feel horrible, but I would feel horrible also without giving her some benefit of the doubt which I try to do. This case is perplexing at least to me. I just wish he would go home to his family if he is able.

decor

03-15-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by isitme
I think it would sad indeed if NF is found dead. It would be shocking to some if it was determined that CF was involved. But wouldn't it be sad if in the subsequent discussions here we find out that there were clues that could have solved this case but they were said out loud because we are afraid that we will be :punch: for being mean to CF? [/*]

I truly find it hard to believe that everything that could be said about Christine hasn't already been said.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by decor

I don't know what else to tell you :(

I have been posting all along about the difference between literally just picking on someones every breath and looking at the situation.

every page is about Christine. do you think Christine killed him? do you think Christine helped set this up? do you think Christine had anything to do with his disappearance at this point in time?

I have said everything I can to make my point. I can't make people see it if they don't want to. :( [/*]

decor, Christine is a major point in this case, like it or not. She is his wife. She was as far as we know one of the last people to speak to him. She is the one who said he was on his way home. She is the one who has said over and over he wouldn't leave her.
And I could go on and on. Who does LE look at in EVERY case of a missing person? The person closest to him. She has made her self available thru every venue possible...national news, Nancy Grace, Greta and on the internet in many, many blogs, spots, businesses and obviously on the crime boards, etc. Why oh why do you think she shouldn't be scrutinized, analyized and picked upon? Do you not think LE is doing the same? Think again. They even read these boards and search the internet, just as we do.
She can say, defend, get angry about all this 'attention' all she wants, but bottom line she is and will continue to be the first person LE and anybody else who isn't blinded by her poor, poor me statements. This is fact. This is the way they investigate. The start with the closest person to them, as we all have, and go from there. I've not seen anything from LE saying she is not a suspect, not a POI, that she is out of it in any way. Just because they are not saying this, doesn't mean they are not investigating her. I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH NF'S DISAPPEARANCE...but that doesn't mean with LE she's not been considered. That is the way they do it. That is the way they conduct their investigations. And it seems to me that alot of us are thinking and saying things the way that LE does. Quit picking on those that do and learn that that's how it's done. Period.
Sorry if I offend, but some of the things you continually bring up offends me. JMO. IMO, MOO, JMOO....every oooo that applies here.

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Beth

You can talk about anything you want to, as long as you're within TOS. It's a crime discussion board. Discuss. :) [/*]

Yes that's what i thought....
but honestly we get a hard time when we decide to discuss what we want...
and yes, sometimes that is Christine....
because some of us suspect she is involved....
i have so much to say...

mc528

03-15-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Maybe Christine paid the January and February past due mortgage payments instead of March and April...

If you think about it she still doesn't want to come out and say they were in a horrible financial situation BEFORE NF disappeared, she makes it sound like the debt is all due to NF being gone. I have to question WHY? [/*]

IMO, and MOO....the *why* is likely because people may be more inclined to continue to help her financially.

decor

03-15-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

decor, Christine is a major point in this case, like it or not. She is his wife. She was as far as we know one of the last people to speak to him. She is the one who said he was on his way home. She is the one who has said over and over he wouldn't leave her.
And I could go on and on. Who does LE look at in EVERY case of a missing person? The person closest to him. She has made her self available thru every venue possible...national news, Nancy Grace, Greta and on the internet in many, many blogs, spots, businesses and obviously on the crime boards, etc. Why oh why do you think she shouldn't be scrutinized, analyized and picked upon? Do you not think LE is doing the same? Think again. They even read these boards and search the internet, just as we do.
She can say, defend, get angry about all this 'attention' all she wants, but bottom line she is and will continue to be the first person LE and anybody else who isn't blinded by her poor, poor me statements. This is fact. This is the way they investigate. The start with the closest person to them, as we all have, and go from there. I've not seen anything from LE saying she is not a suspect, not a POI, that she is out of it in any way. Just because they are not saying this, doesn't mean they are not investigating her. I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH NF'S DISAPPEARANCE...but that doesn't mean with LE she's not been considered. That is the way they do it. That is the way they conduct their investigations. And it seems to me that alot of us are thinking and saying things the way that LE does. Quit picking on those that do and learn that that's how it's done. Period.
Sorry if I offend, but some of the things you continually bring up offends me. JMO. IMO, MOO, JMOO....every oooo that applies here. [/*]

I am not offended by you at all.

need2no

03-15-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by cteall
Just to circle back to something someone thought of earlier today. If she is so ready to forclose on her home why did she make her mortgage payments through April already?? Wow, I was finally able to get my March payment together. So, if I had decided my best option was to allow my home to go into forclosure I would probably stop making payments. [/*]

I have a friend who's sister was in self imposed financial mess. She had received many threatening phone calls and letters about her failure to pay her mortgage payments. After 3 months legal papers were filed, another month passed before she was served with the certified papers. Another 7 months passed while she filed banruptcy, went to court, etc. before she had to leave her home, and she never had to make one of the past due payments. So..she lived in the house for free for 11 months. My friend didn't understand how she got by with this and neither do I. And on top of that she purchased another home about 3 years later!

Seems like foreclosure can be a lengthly process, at least for some.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:37 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004283662_webbody14m.html

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:38 AM

Probably will get hammered for this one. But Ct actually to me is right on track.. But she has a way about saying it all.. Probably cause she doesn't "pussy foot" around.. I am not really brave so I vacillate. It think hey, " I don't want to hurt CF" or have severe rebuttals from folks here. So every now and then I will pop in as I keep up and make a statement. Sometimes one that seems harsh, but is really something I am irritated at.. etc. CT just doesn't have the fear factor some of us do. So she says it like it is in her own language. Look beyond what you might be offended and and look at the logic.. She has something..

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Beth

You can talk about anything you want to, as long as you're within TOS. It's a crime discussion board. Discuss. :) [/*]

You just have to be willing to hear the other sides opinion on your posts.

decor

03-15-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

Quit picking on those that do and learn that that's how it's done. Period.
applies here. [/*]

I'm sorry I didn't realize you were LE.

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by figritout
Probably will get hammered for this one. But Ct actually to me is right on track.. But she has a way about saying it all.. Probably cause she doesn't "pussy foot" around.. I am not really brave so I vacillate. It think hey, " I don't want to hurt CF" or have severe rebuttals from folks here. So every now and then I will pop in as I keep up and make a statement. Sometimes one that seems harsh, but is really something I am irritated at.. etc. CT just doesn't have the fear factor some of us do. So she says it like it is in her own language. Look beyond what you might be offended and and look at the logic.. She has something.. [/*]

And hey I didn't put in the funny little guys hammering each other. I didn't know they automatically insert.. LOL

need2no

03-15-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by mc528

IMO, and MOO....the *why* is likely because people may be more inclined to continue to help her financially. [/*]

I agree completely, and I also think she wants to convey a rosy picture perfect marriage. Not for Nicholas' sake mind you, but for her own fantasy world.

Danette44

03-15-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Why did she say that? Why did she publicly say, I'm going to have to file BK or foreclose, one or the other.....i say
What About A Job?????
*grumbles* FGS

I think I see what NF issues were. I do. It's not rocket science.
It's a bad marriage. :shrug: That's what I think. I thnk this fairybook romance that she has presented to us is cracking. [/*]

Since they met in College (Art School) wouldn't she have a degree of some kind or did she drop out?? That sould get her a pretty good job.........but what do I know I'm ome nut behind a screen.......lol

isitme

03-15-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

This is where I have a hard time - yes I would feel horrible, but I would feel horrible also without giving her some benefit of the doubt which I try to do. This case is perplexing at least to me. I just wish he would go home to his family if he is able. [/*]

I understand your view. I just see so many posting that they have ideas but won't discuss them for fear of being jumped on. What if one of those ideas were to lead to a key element and never was developed because of fear of being accused of bashing CF?

That would very sad IMHO.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004283662_webbody14m.html [/*]

I know.. it is strange Rainy. Usually you they give some indication who lived there or something. There is nothing really coming out that I can find.

I wonder if it was an empty house or someone's home.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Well now that's no good.
I hope it's not him, it's not near Federal Way.....or where the car was....:shrug:

Let's keep our fingers crossed that this is not NF. There are two missing men right now, I wonder if the link will go live coverage? [/*]

Can that address be cross referenced and if so, would that tell us anything?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I know.. it is strange Rainy. Usually you they give some indication who lived there or something. There is nothing really coming out that I can find.

I wonder if it was an empty house or someone's home. [/*]

I don't know :( But that Seattle Times is good at updating pretty quickly.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 12:44 AM

mc528

03-15-2008, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I agree completely, and I also think she wants to convey a rosy picture perfect marriage. Not for Nicholas' sake mind you, but for her own fantasy world. [/*]

I agree.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't know :( But that Seattle Times is good at updating pretty quickly. [/*]

Crossroad neighborhood of Bellevue is the rougher part of the city so it could be and probably is completely unrelated but you just never know. If he was kidnapped and taken somewhere that was abandoned or has been being held or something. Worth keeping an eye on to see what happens with it.

figritout

03-15-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Oregongal

I get you! I know where you are going. I'll leave it at that.
I'm 1 1/2 pages behind because I go to respond and thru the time I'm typing and getting kicked off line...I'm on dial up, I come back and go back to where I started and find I'm behind.
:cuss: [/*]
My friend dial up almost did me in.. Seriously I feel for you... LOL.. On a seriuos note, and I hope you don't mind me using my reply to you to point this out.. I don't like that the little guys hammeing each other on the head automatically post in place of words I have used, any more than I like vomitting little heads in posts.. This is a crime session, why would I like little guys hitting each other on the head? I don't... Please CW make this an option not a given.. Unless there is a way I can make it not happen that I don't know about.. I don't subsribe to violence, not even in little cartoon characters.. Sorry, off topic, maybe..?

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I agree completely, and I also think she wants to convey a rosy picture perfect marriage. Not for Nicholas' sake mind you, but for her own fantasy world. [/*]

I've wanted to chime in on this before but didn't want someone to ask if I had a psychology degree - I don't. But my niece has what is called a disassociative personality. Things can be an absolute disaster in her personal life yet if you ask her how things are going - oh my gosh they are great! She detaches herself from reality and really believes this fantasy she creates. But we know her so we have to make sure before we really believe her. Christine reminds me of this. And if this is the case, she is truly believing this picture she has painted.

need2no

03-15-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

This is where I have a hard time - yes I would feel horrible, but I would feel horrible also without giving her some benefit of the doubt which I try to do. This case is perplexing at least to me. I just wish he would go home to his family if he is able. [/*]

You should never feel guillty about your thoughts and words even if you should find out you are wrong, as long as they were due to logic and reason as you saw and understood from your point of view.

Also, it's never to late to apologize if you are wrong. :)

Works for me.....

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

"What case have you been following". No reason to be snippy. I thought we are all trying to get along here.

Of course she has money problems now. Her husband is missing.

However, LE stated that they searched their financial records before and found nothing. To me that means a) no reason to leave because of large debt and *) no substantial money taken from the accounts. [/*]

And LE, by Supreme Court law are allowed to lie. They have no obligation to admit to media (or us) that they have found nothing in their financial records.
I think they had $$ problems before this. JMO.

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Crossroad neighborhood of Bellevue is the rougher part of the city so it could be and probably is completely unrelated but you just never know. If he was kidnapped and taken somewhere that was abandoned or has been being held or something. Worth keeping an eye on to see what happens with it. [/*]

Okay thanks - that was my next question - what type of neighborhood it was.

MystryPhobia

03-15-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Beth

I try and listen to all sides objectively. Whether I agree or not is a different story. Usually when I disagree, I don't say a word, I just disagree silently. I take exception with the people that disagree and start with the nit-picking. That's all. :) [/*] I understand that. After being around these boards for a few years.. I have learned that two intelligent people can look at the same thing and see if completely differently because of our life experiences, personal beliefs... etc. So, I try not to take anything to seriously when someone disagrees.

You, however, have mastered something I am working on. I have a hard time not saying anything when I disagree. I am working on that.

desmom

03-15-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I have a friend who's sister was in self imposed financial mess. She had received many threatening phone calls and letters about her failure to pay her mortgage payments. After 3 months legal papers were filed, another month passed before she was served with the certified papers. Another 7 months passed while she filed banruptcy, went to court, etc. before she had to leave her home, and she never had to make one of the past due payments. So..she lived in the house for free for 11 months. My friend didn't understand how she got by with this and neither do I. And on top of that she purchased another home about 3 years later!

Seems like foreclosure can be a lengthly process, at least for some. [/*]

Foreclosures can be very long and drawn out especially if the lending institution or borrower lives out of state.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
I understand that. After being around these boards for a few years.. I have learned that two intelligent people can look at the same thing and see if completely differently because of our life experiences, personal beliefs... etc. So, I try not to take anything to seriously when someone disagrees.

You, however, have mastered something I am working on. I have a hard time not saying anything when I disagree. I am working on that. [/*]

Musterion was probably the best at being able to express a differing viewpoint and make you love it LOL

need2no

03-15-2008, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've wanted to chime in on this before but didn't want someone to ask if I had a psychology degree - I don't. But my niece has what is called a disassociative personality. Things can be an absolute disaster in her personal life yet if you ask her how things are going - oh my gosh they are great! She detaches herself from reality and really believes this fantasy she creates. But we know her so we have to make sure before we really believe her. Christine reminds me of this. And if this is the case, she is truly believing this picture she has painted. [/*]

I watched a TV show about this, and that's about all I know on this condition.

Christine seemed to want everyone, like strangers on line, to believe she lived the life, bed of roses, white picket fence, knight in shining armor for a hubby, and money was no problem. That is until now. I'm not sure what you'd call the problem or condition but something isn't right for sure. It seems I recall a post fairly early in all this where someone mentioned CF's parent's divorcing when she was young and maybe that's why she wanted so badly to portray or pretend to have the fantasy life, even if she didn't. Kind of a form of denial in that her world was rocked as a child, and as an adult but she could pretend it was all good, at least to those who didn't know any better.

figritout

03-15-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Sure yes it can. Ive not looked because Im between scrubbing my floors. I've got ten minutes and then I have to do the upstairs hallway. I'm doing it in spurts because of my lft shoulder (evil grin) :flamemad:

I see Im not the only one that feels that CFs behavior is bizarre.

From the first day I read about him, I felt he made it home that night. I cannot just go on her word that he didnt come home. I dont like her cookie story either, like I said its all too sachrine for me. From the Organic sugar story to the baking cookies story...
i'm sorry, I have my reasons CF and they are usually spot on.
I do not believe your alibi; that Nic didnt make it home that night.
Since I know you read here, I'll just say so point blank. Because I'm here working on a theory, regarding a crime. So dont take it personal, it's all in a days work.

I dont think I will soon forget the lengths that MelMcguire went to; when it came to her husbands car. I probably wont ever forget it. Unf for CF, she has run into a crime board forum, where ppl disect human behavior and every single move and alibi and timeline in a crime. He's missing, so that is a crime. He didnt just walk away.....as far as we know. His body hasnt surfaced.....yet.
I hope that he's alive, I plead for him to come forward if he is....IF
he voluntarily walked away from his life.

It took Beth Smith months to come fwd. She was alive and well. I was never angry with her, I felt just terrible pain for her situation. Same here. WE all met here daily while she was making a new life in NY. But we wrapped her w. love every day. She left her abusive husband and her children. She came back. It was very public. Some of us wrote about her every day for months.

CT [/*]

Why can't I say like you do? Thank you!

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Hola! our G'ma is in Bellevue, and MIL she is by the water, it's lovely. She is right across from the park and close to Vashon Island which I LOVE, almost as much as Bainbridge and Whidbey!
I love Vashon Island; and I love to sit and watch the ferries in Seattle, no matter which one. I also love love love Pike Pl Mkt!!!!

Last time I was there, there was a man who painted himself totally bronze. He looked SO COOL, and he was a mime. I photographed him, inside the market. He was by the flowers. I dont know if he's always there. I like the Pigs on the Roof too.
:D [/*]L
Lol....in NYC last year, right outside of Rockefeller Center, there was a mime that painted himself totally silver.
While he didn't talk, he could make these really cool "mechanical" type noises whenever he moved lol.
One time i passed him and he actually made me scream cuz he scared me! Lol!
Everyone turned and looked at me cuz i screamed so loud! :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-15-2008, 01:05 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004283662_webbody14m.html

I'm going to bed folks - enjoyed all of you :)

figritout

03-15-2008, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
YW figirit! :seeya: My woodfloor is calling my name, loudly. [/*]

Cat Toy.. I don't know what you are saying.. call me stupid.. but am not quite into the lingo.. are you being mean here? Which wouldn't surprise me, or offend me..

desmom

03-15-2008, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by figritout

Cat Toy.. I don't know what youa re saying.. call me stupid.. but am not quite into the lingo.. [/*]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
YW figirit! :seeya: My woodfloor is calling my name, loudly. [/*]

Translation - Your Welcome figirit! :seeya: She is mopping floors.

Are you familiar with the acronym cheat sheet?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485

mc528

03-15-2008, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004283662_webbody14m.html

I'm going to bed folks - enjoyed all of you :) [/*]

It wasn't NF. So sad for that man and his family, though.

figritout

03-15-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY

Sorry I said You're Most Welcom, and I have to go now BBL be back later cuz I have to mop my hallway floor. I do them by hand, it's such a pain but nothing cleans a floor better :sigh:

So, MY Floor Is Calling Me, clean me clean me etc etc :D [/*]

I am smiling.. LOL cause I really like and respect what you have to say.. But am still so insecure on this session board as to think I can't put it out there. Like you do.. I hope to mature as I age here...LOL
Take care, and please stay around...

figritout

03-15-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Translation - Your Welcome figirit! :seeya: She is mopping floors.

Are you familiar with the acronym cheat sheet?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485 [/*]

Am I ever going to learn it all.. Oh yeah, cause I like you guys and I am here to stay and learn.. Thank you.. How in the heck did you translate that.. experience I assume.. LOL

figritout

03-15-2008, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Translation - Your Welcome figirit! :seeya: She is mopping floors.

Are you familiar with the acronym cheat sheet?

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485 [/*]''

I printed out all the info on the link.. I am going to get this right I tell ya.. LOL. Thanks you have always been really awesome towards me..

desmom

03-15-2008, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hey did you all see, on CNN there was a Tornado downtown ATLANTA, there is debris everywhere...... [/*]

Thanks!

At this time, no fatalities. Walking wounded. Tornado possibly hit the downtown area. Lots of structural damage to CNN Center.

There was a pro basketball game going on - witnesses said the light towers started swaying, the dome lifted and insulation started blowing around. Spectators were not aware of any danger until the light bars started swinging from the ceilings.

Oregongal

03-15-2008, 01:18 AM

Ok, I think I've finally read every post, good night rainy :seeya:
And I have to pee and get something to eat so I will be behind again, but the last page and a half there are a couple of responses I woud like to make. So forgive me if when I come back I am yet again behind.

mc528

03-15-2008, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Beth

They really are good at updating, aren't they? [/*]

Yes, that was really quick.

need2no

03-15-2008, 01:21 AM

soyesterday

03-15-2008, 01:23 AM

ok i think i'm caught up again
has christine ever said in an interview or her blogs or anywhere how much she loves Nicholas and doesn't want to be w/out him?
has she ever given a reason for trying to erase his memory?
just wonderin....

mc528

03-15-2008, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok i think i'm caught up again
has christine ever said in an interview or her blogs or anywhere how much she loves Nicholas and doesn't want to be w/out him?
has she ever given a reason for trying to erase his memory?
just wonderin.... [/*]

Can't really answer your questions, but your post reminded me of one I have been meaning to ask. Has CF really been erasing things from various sites? I must have missed the details on that because I've been a little confused when it is mentioned. I thought that she was just making the Flickr photos private (which actually is understandable). Maybe someone can let me know what else has actually been truly erased. Sorry to bring this up if it has already been discussed at great length....just point me to the thread here where the details are and I'll go back and re-read it, if that's easier. :confused:

desmom

03-15-2008, 01:29 AM

Her comments re their finances so quickly after NF disappeared set my hinky meter off.

jmo

Pam

03-15-2008, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Thanks!

At this time, no fatalities. Walking wounded. Tornado possibly hit the downtown area. Lots of structural damage to CNN Center.

There was a pro basketball game going on - witnesses said the light towers started swaying, the dome lifted and insulation started blowing around. Spectators were not aware of any danger until the light bars started swinging from the ceilings. [/*]

As usual I'm late getting caught up on the days posts...whew! That's a lot to read!

Desmom, I heard about this earlier on our local news. I'm so glad there were no fatalities.....it's amazing really! Tornados scare the H*** out of me!!

Also, I have to say to CT....you have been able to put into words a lot of what has been on my mind about this case! I love the way your mind works!! (and the way your fingers type it out)

I really wish I could get my husband to follow this from the beginning to now. He is so good at calling things. He has been right on a number of past cases, just from hearing a few minutes new's segment. Sadly, this hasn't been on our local news, so he hasn't heard it....and he doesn't have time to follow it online.

SHinS

03-15-2008, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by isitme

I understand your view. I just see so many posting that they have ideas but won't discuss them for fear of being jumped on. What if one of those ideas were to lead to a key element and never was developed because of fear of being accused of bashing CF?

That would very sad IMHO. [/*]

And that is precisely what I meant when I said "CF has got all of you here subdued"(my post; 2 days ago), indirectly that is.
By making you feel guilty for saying certain things about her, she's managed to "control" what's being written here.

I think she's a manipulative individual.
Each time I read another of her heavily 'sprinkled' posts with hints "more $$ please" I can't help but shake my head in disbelief... she's certainly slick when it comes to pulling on people's heart strings. :no: