Friday ~ 03-14-08 ~ a.m.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I guess we are very careful bonfire burners. We always make sure there are no hot coals left in the pit at all before we go to bed that night. We are in a drought and must be very careful. I believe NC is in one too. My hubby always douses the fire with water to make sure it is completely out. I couldnt sleep a wink unless he did that. lol

imoo [/*]

Smokey taught us that in school.....

I don't think she was nude, I think the existing coals continued
to char the clothes off her body from underneath....

Gravity pulls down.....

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by hinman


I remember seeing pics of them removing her body it was very disturbing for me and there was a white sheet over her body. You could see under the top of the sheet and see her charred body. [/*]

I remember that also. It may still be available online somewhere in video. Very white sheet & the wind blew it enough so that you could see the charred head/skull.

If the sheet that is being referenced in the autopsy originally went into the pit with Maria, there would have been specific notations written about it being charred, just as there was about the comforter.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


and thank you, bk, for your acknowledgment of this... I truly respect your opinions in this case. [/*]




(':rose:')

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
For some reason, I feel like I need to state this...

On a personal level, this case just really gets me... I feel such emotion for ML, in particular, for reasons that are personal to me. That, and my understanding of the early scenario with respect to concern over her being missing drew me to this case.

I also feel such deep emotion for her family. for their loss, and for their battle with the media.. .whether warranted or not, it is still an emotional battle for them.

However, on a cognitive level, as someone who occasionally follows the In Session boards, this is a fascinating mystery. So I hope I don't come across as being crass with regards to multiple theories, etc.

JMO, and just wanted to state that... [/*]

I'm with you. Still here, just don't post much anymore.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5


ditto, and if any of us were interested in one theory, and one theory alone, it would be silly to be here with all of the different views we all have [/*]

I think there are a number of people with one theory alone.. and that is certainly their cognitive right...

(although I agree it makes no sense to only have one theory, given the facts in this case being all over the place.. :) )

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
So I am a little confused, I know what else is knew. Did CL burn her body with the wood from the fence and then through dirt on top of it? [/*]

I really don't know but that really doesn't make sense imo Hinman.

If he had the roaring fire going directly against her body and no dirt on the top then she would have been severely burned...maybe totally burned up and not charred.

It would have burned everything up from Maria, the clothing, comforter and the plastic bags with the clothing.

:shrug:

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I think there are a number of people with one theory alone.. and that is certainly their cognitive right...

(although I agree it makes no sense to only have one theory, given the facts in this case being all over the place.. :) ) [/*]

I bet this case will be turn out to be a combination of all theroies.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


I'm with you. Still here, just don't post much anymore. [/*]

hey Riv... anything new in the DP case?

I wish you would post here in this case more often.. you have very good insights, IMO.

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I really don't know but that really doesn't make sense imo Hinman.

If he had the roaring fire going directly against her body and no dirt on the top then she would have been severely burned...maybe totally burned up and not charred.

It would have burned everything up from Maria, the clothing, comforter and the plastic bags with the clothing.

:shrug:

imoo [/*]

I don't know what kind of wood the fence was...but if it was cedar, it would burn fast and make a whole lot of coals.....

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I bet this case will be turn out to be a combination of all theroies. [/*]

Very well could be, Jan...

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I don't know what kind of wood the fence was...but if it was cedar, it would burn fast and make a whole lot of coals..... [/*]

I have no idea, of course, but I doubt their fence was cedar.. that stuff is very expensive....

[gaelicpeas]

but even pine burns fast.. but just not so many coals.. JMO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I have no idea, of course, but I doubt their fence was cedar.. that stuff is very expensive.... [/*]

most fence board is cedar....its the cheapest

[JanDoe]

redwood is the best but very expensive.....

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


most fence board is cedar....its the cheapest [/*]

I beg to differ, sorry. Most cheap fencing is pine or spruce. Cedar is very expensive. Just saying this from my own personal experience, I could certainly be wrong.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I don't know what kind of wood the fence was...but if it was cedar, it would burn fast and make a whole lot of coals..... [/*]

I don't think it was cedar but it was dried out and aged which means it would be perfect for a hot fire.

And if all of those coals fell down into a grave that had no dirt on top it would have completely burned everything up that it touched. Plus the fact that he also had the bonfire going with the wood he used.

The grave had to be covered or there would have been nothing left but ashes with three bonfire burnings.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe
redwood is the best but very expensive..... [/*]

we don't have much redwood (unless you consider cedar to be redwood) on the east coast...

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I beg to differ, sorry. Most cheap fencing is pine or spruce. Cedar is very expensive. Just saying this from my own personal experience, I could certainly be wrong. [/*]

pine has alot of knots.....I have never used it....
I've used cedar for cheap fences and redwood for expensive fences......jmo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I beg to differ, sorry. Most cheap fencing is pine or spruce. Cedar is very expensive. Just saying this from my own personal experience, I could certainly be wrong. [/*]

Cedar is the most expensive in my neck of the woods too Gaelic.

But then any kind of wood is not cheap here anymore.

imoo

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think it was cedar but it was dried out and aged which means it would be perfect for a hot fire.

And if all of those coals fell down into a grave that had no dirt on top it would have completely burned everything up that it touched. Plus the fact that he also had the bonfire going with the wood he used.

The grave had to be covered or there would have been nothing left but ashes with three bonfire burnings.

imoo [/*]

fire acts just as electricity does....it goes to ground
edit to say coals...flames take in oxygen and flame up....

[Mimi428]

ME found charred knit shirt, charred sports bra - but NO underpants, NO outerpants, NO sweatshirt/hoodie that she was seen wearing in the ATM, NO shoes, NO socks, NO glasses?

We know from the autopsy that the distal portions of her extremities were charred off - so her socks may have been consumed - but I don't think her shoes would have been completely consumed by fire.

I wonder if those items will ever be located. I sure hope so.

[gaelicpeas]

ugh.. I need to clarify an earlier post of mine...

there are lots of "red" woods out east.. mahogany, cherry, cedar, etc...

But I meant in my earlier post "redwoods", which are those huge trees out in northern California. Sorry for my earlier statement.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


fire acts just as electricity does....it goes to ground
edit to say coals...flames take in oxygen and flame up.... [/*]

:confused:

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


:confused: [/*]

gravity

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


gravity [/*]

Jan.. I respect your opinion.. and I think what you are saying has something to offer to this discussion, but IMO, you need to say what you are thinking in complete sentences as many of us are not following your train of logic. TIA. And I hope this does not come across as being snarky.

[JanDoe]

during a forest fire the rangers make a fire break across the ground the only way the fire can cross the break is through
wind......

fire breaks are made with earth moving equipment that scrapes
the ground clear of vegetation.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe
during a forest fire the rangers make a fire break across the ground the only way the fire can cross the break is through
wind......

fire breaks are made with earth moving equipment that scrapes
the ground clear of vegetation. [/*]

ok... and..... ????

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Jan.. I respect your opinion.. and I think what you are saying has something to offer to this discussion, but IMO, you need to say what you are thinking in complete sentences as many of us are not following your train of logic. TIA. And I hope this does not come across as being snarky. [/*]

not at all....I'm just saying that fire stays alive even when the flames are gone......

[gaelicpeas]

ugh.. I don't mean to be rude, Jan.. I live with a firefighter and we often have discussions similar to what you are saying and I just look at her and say, AND???? I think we need more explanation of fire effects... TIA.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


not at all....I'm just saying that fire stays alive even when the flames are gone...... [/*]

Okay.. yes, I agree.. I made that point a while ago with respect to throwing supposedly dead ashes from your fireplace out into your backyard.. and how my friends set their backyard on fire throwing ashes out a few days after their last fire in their fireplace...

So..... ummmm.. where were we?

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Okay.. yes, I agree.. I made that point a while ago with respect to throwing supposedly dead ashes from your fireplace out into your backyard.. and how my friends set their backyard on fire throwing ashes out a few days after their last fire in their fireplace...

So..... ummmm.. where were we? [/*]

I'm so sorry....I've been answering the phone and trying to keep up....

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by JanDoe


gravity [/*]

Well all I am going to say is I agree with Captain Sutherland when he stated they did not believe it was Laurean's intent to burn the bodies but put the fire pit there for the bonfire to disguise where he had dug the grave and buried her.

She could not be seen when they first saw the fire pit. When the divining rod pointed down at a particular sight that is where they began to dig and found Maria's head. It took them hours to unearth the body and remove it.

If it had been left open and the fire on top of her exposed body she would have been burned severely instead the ME saying that Maria was charred mostly on the left side.

So if it is logical to him then it is logical to me. He was there and so was SB.

imo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I'm so sorry....I've been answering the phone and trying to keep up.... [/*]

No problem.. the issue I see with regards to the autopsy report is that the top part (left side) of the body was much more charred than the bottom part. So, I am not seeing where what you say holds.

In a standard fire, I would completely agree.. the heat is at the bottom. But this is not a standard fire. This is a body buried 3 feet down.. and then dirt over it, and then a fire. In my mind, the biggest heat source would be just above the dirt,, where the coals of the fire are.. not anywhere near her body buried 3 feet below.

JMO

[JanDoe]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


No problem.. the issue I see with regards to the autopsy report is that the top part (left side) of the body was much more charred than the bottom part. So, I am not seeing where what you say holds.

In a standard fire, I would completely agree.. the heat is at the bottom. But this is not a standard fire. This is a body buried 3 feet down.. and then dirt over it, and then a fire. In my mind, the biggest heat source would be just above the dirt,, where the coals of the fire are.. not anywhere near her body buried 3 feet below.

JMO [/*]

I don't know what side was down in the pit right or left...

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


No problem.. the issue I see with regards to the autopsy report is that the top part (left side) of the body was much more charred than the bottom part. So, I am not seeing where what you say holds.

In a standard fire, I would completely agree.. the heat is at the bottom. But this is not a standard fire. This is a body buried 3 feet down.. and then dirt over it, and then a fire. In my mind, the biggest heat source would be just above the dirt,, where the coals of the fire are.. not anywhere near her body buried 3 feet below.

JMO [/*]

Absolutely. Thanks Gaelic, that is what I have been trying to say for awhile...but poorly evidently. You said exactly what I have been trying to convey.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I don't know what side was down in the pit right or left... [/*]

oh lordy.. hmm.. I believe the right side of the body was down. Whatever, the side of the body that was UP was the most charred.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
DH was giving me the "stink eye" when I went plundering around for some matches.

Holding off on the experiment for now.

:D [/*]


Are all the rugs in your home accounted for?? You took the tags off those too didn't you?? :lol:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Absolutely. Thanks Gaelic, that is what I have been trying to say for awhile...but poorly evidently. You said exactly what I have been trying to convey.

imoo [/*]

yeah.. but then there is that part of the autopsy report that suggests that the body was thrown in the pit, and then the fence parts were thrown in, and then there was a fire.

And then later, dirt was added,.. and there were additional fires.

This is why I have a problem with LE saying that CL did not initend to burn the body, but rather disguise it.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom



Are all the rugs in your home accounted for?? You took the tags off those too didn't you?? :lol: [/*]

(Cryme has been removing those tags for years, and I have every one of them.. :D )

(edited to add: don't ask me how I got them)

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


yeah.. but then there is that part of the autopsy report that suggests that the body was thrown in the pit, and then the fence parts were thrown in, and then there was a fire.

And then later, dirt was added,.. and there were additional fires.

This is why I have a problem with LE saying that CL did not initend to burn the body, but rather disguise it. [/*]Oh so confusing. So what the heck is it?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
Oh so confusing. So what the heck is it? [/*]

I dunno, Hinman.. I hope we will find out eventually.

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I dunno, Hinman.. I hope we will find out eventually. [/*]I tend to think that she had to be covered with some dirt do to the smell.

but that is just a guess.

[gaelicpeas]

I think this is a case that truly requires a very, very open mind. Reported facts are inconsistent. Reported evidence could go numerous ways. Unreported evidence lends itself to multiple interpretations.

I, personally, find it difficult to endorse any one of my 13 theories with any certainty that I would be willing to bet on.

JMO

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
For some reason, I feel like I need to state this...

On a personal level, this case just really gets me... I feel such emotion for ML, in particular, for reasons that are personal to me. That, and my understanding of the early scenario with respect to concern over her being missing drew me to this case.

I also feel such deep emotion for her family. for their loss, and for their battle with the media.. .whether warranted or not, it is still an emotional battle for them.

However, on a cognitive level, as someone who occasionally follows the In Session boards, this is a fascinating mystery. So I hope I don't come across as being crass with regards to multiple theories, etc.

JMO, and just wanted to state that... [/*]



Ms. Peas you are one of the posters I respect most on this board and nothing you have ever posted was crass! Your posts are well thought out and they leave not one doubt in my mind that you care very much about the victims in this case.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
I tend to think that she had to be covered with some dirt do to the smell.

but that is just a guess. [/*]

good point, Hinman.. and maybe that is why he started covering her with dirt after the first 'bonfire'.

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by JanDoe


I bet this case will be turn out to be a combination of all theroies. [/*]


Thats what I have thought from the begining Jan. Although our Ms. Peas has so many theories she may have the best shot of getting it bang on. :D

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


yeah.. but then there is that part of the autopsy report that suggests that the body was thrown in the pit, and then the fence parts were thrown in, and then there was a fire.

And then later, dirt was added,.. and there were additional fires.

This is why I have a problem with LE saying that CL did not intend to burn the body, but rather disguise it. [/*]

It is very hard to refill a hole after it is dug.......the dirt will settle down even if one thinks they have packed it. I am sure he kept adding dirt or sand to fill it in as the dirt settled.

I have to do the same thing when I plant my flowers here sometimes and if something is on the top of the ground it may get mixed into the new dirt that is added.

I think he dug the grave and buried her probably hastily and did not put near enough dirt back into the cavity and kept adding more and scooping it and mixing it in.

Even legitimate cemeteries let the grave site dirt settle knowing that more dirt will probably have to be added before they place a slab on top of the grave.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Sherlocksmom




Ms. Peas you are one of the posters I respect most on this board and nothing you have ever posted was crass! Your posts are well thought out and they leave not one doubt in my mind that you care very much about the victims in this case. [/*]

Thanks, Sherlock.

I have a personal attachment to this case that is.. um.. just that, personal.

But I have a logical attachment to this case that is very different.

Both keep me interested and both keep me dedicated to finding the cold-blooded murderer that did this crime.

[nuttintodo]

I still can't understand for the life of me how the attendees and the neighbors didn't notice the smell.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if you ever smell burning flesh, you will NEVER forget the smell.

JMO

Nite all, gotta go sleep on all this new info from today!

THANKS Maka!


:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is very hard to refill a hole after it is dug.......the dirt will settle down even if one thinks they have packed it. I am sure he kept adding dirt or sand to fill it in as the dirt settled.

I have to do the same thing when I plant my flowers here sometimes and if something is on the top of the ground it may get mixed into the new dirt that is added.

I think he dug the grave and buried her probably hastily and did not put near enough dirt back into the cavity and kept adding more and scooping it and mixing it in.

Even legitimate cemeteries let the grave site dirt settle knowing that more dirt will probably have to be added before they place a slab on top of the grave.

imoo [/*]

good point, GB.. yes, stuff settles more in holes in the ground than we realize or expect...

[Maka]

Originally posted by Mimi428
ME found charred knit shirt, charred sports bra - but NO underpants, NO outerpants, NO sweatshirt/hoodie that she was seen wearing in the ATM, NO shoes, NO socks, NO glasses?

We know from the autopsy that the distal portions of her extremities were charred off - so her socks may have been consumed - but I don't think her shoes would have been completely consumed by fire.

I wonder if those items will ever be located. I sure hope so. [/*]

When I look at the diagram, I see the front of her right thigh is in the not as badly charred zone......I kinda expected the ME to note fragments of pants and underwear that came from that area.

Not sure what to think about that. But, maybe they found some in one of the bags of soil. :shrug:

I wonder how many pair of shoes she owned.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is very hard to refill a hole after it is dug.......the dirt will settle down even if one thinks they have packed it. I am sure he kept adding dirt or sand to fill it in as the dirt settled.

I have to do the same thing when I plant my flowers here sometimes and if something is on the top of the ground it may get mixed into the new dirt that is added.

I think he dug the grave and buried her probably hastily and did not put near enough dirt back into the cavity and kept adding more and scooping it and mixing it in.

Even legitimate cemeteries let the grave site dirt settle knowing that more dirt will probably have to be added before they place a slab on top of the grave.

imoo [/*]

ITA. Ocean! :seeya:

Now you know depending on the 'signs', either you can too much dirt or not enough dirt. ;) (you know that Southern thing about doing things under the right 'signs')

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka


When I look at the diagram, I see the front of her right thigh is in the not as badly charred zone......I kinda expected the ME to note fragments of pants and underwear that came from that area.

Not sure what to think about that. But, maybe they found some in one of the bags of soil. :shrug:

I wonder how many pair of shoes she owned. [/*]

Why do you wonder how many pairs of shoes she owned? Just asking....

[Maka]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I still can't understand for the life of me how the attendees and the neighbors didn't notice the smell.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if you ever smell burning flesh, you will NEVER forget the smell.

JMO

Nite all, gotta go sleep on all this new info from today!

THANKS Maka!


:seeya: [/*]

It's a unique smell for sure.

see ya later

YW & don't blame me if you have bad dreams!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It is very hard to refill a hole after it is dug.......the dirt will settle down even if one thinks they have packed it. I am sure he kept adding dirt or sand to fill it in as the dirt settled.

I have to do the same thing when I plant my flowers here sometimes and if something is on the top of the ground it may get mixed into the new dirt that is added.

I think he dug the grave and buried her probably hastily and did not put near enough dirt back into the cavity and kept adding more and scooping it and mixing it in.

Even legitimate cemeteries let the grave site dirt settle knowing that more dirt will probably have to be added before they place a slab on top of the grave.

imoo [/*]
Speaking of digging the grave/pit site.

Since the neighbors seemed to notice so much going at the Laurean's house they never mentioned seeing a pit being dug. I would assume the digging must have occurred during the dark hours. I've wondered if Maria was placed in the pit immediately, or at a later time?

[Maka]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Why do you wonder how many pairs of shoes she owned? Just asking.... [/*]

Just to know what shoes she had on and which pairs were missing. Wondering if she packed a pair and wore a pair....what shoes LE should be looking for.

I don't know if anyone around her would pay attention to her shoes.

I have a bazillion pair and the only pairs my kids would notice being gone are my clogs and uggs because they swipe them to take out the trash and get the mail. They don't pay attention to 'lady shoes'.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA. Ocean! :seeya:

Now you know depending on the 'signs', either you can too much dirt or not enough dirt. ;) (you know that Southern thing about doing things under the right 'signs') [/*]

Oh yeah, I sure do LOL

We have to remember unfortunately this dirt did not stay consistent. Maria weighed 140 before this happened and when they found her she weighed only 95 pounds. That is a 45 pound difference so the grave was changing density. Anything on top of the soil or laying a couple of inches below would work it self through to the bottom as gravity would pull it down because the grave became less dense and less compact.

Good night.

:seeya:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh yeah, I sure do LOL

We have to remember unfortunately this dirt did not stay consistent. Maria weighed 140 before this happened and when they found her she weighed only 95 pounds. That is a 45 pound difference so the grave was changing density. Anything on top of the soil or laying a couple of inches below would work it self through to the bottom as gravity would pull it down because the grave became less dense and less compact.

Good night.

:seeya: [/*]
Not that it matters, but I think the 140 lbs was Maria's I.D. weight, not at 8 mos. pregnant.

Nite to all from here :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka


Just to know what shoes she had on and which pairs were missing. Wondering if she packed a pair and wore a pair....what shoes LE should be looking for.

I don't know if anyone around her would pay attention to her shoes.

I have a bazillion pair and the only pairs my kids would notice being gone are my clogs and uggs because they swipe them to take out the trash and get the mail. They don't pay attention to 'lady shoes'. [/*]

oh ok, gotcha.. (I was thinking the autopsy report, but obviously not what you were thinking).

But, with regards to shoes.. and geez, this is really a big JMO. My guess is that ML wore 2 pairs of shoes.. one in the winter, one in the summer. And like I said this is really just a major just my opinion statement based on my interpretation of ML's personality. So please don't say I am in right-field here with this observation. It is just that... my observation and absolutely no evidence.

JMO

[Maka]

Remember a while back when some people were trying to imagine Cl with blond hair?...well...check this guy out


http://www.oem.com.mx/eloccidental/notas/n628253.htm

[Maka]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


oh ok, gotcha.. (I was thinking the autopsy report, but obviously not what you were thinking).

But, with regards to shoes.. and geez, this is really a big JMO. My guess is that ML wore 2 pairs of shoes.. one in the winter, one in the summer. And like I said this is really just a major just my opinion statement based on my interpretation of ML's personality. So please don't say I am in right-field here with this observation. It is just that... my observation and absolutely no evidence.

JMO [/*]

I hear ya. I can see her as not having a shoe addiction.

I was contemplating when the DVS shoes were shown that I know I don't pay much attention to people's shoes...unless they're really unique...in a good way or a bad way. I only remember a few pair my friend wears, none my neighbor wears and I see her almost every day, and a pair my brother wears that have a hole in the toe.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Sherlock.

I have a personal attachment to this case that is.. um.. just that, personal.

But I have a logical attachment to this case that is very different.

Both keep me interested and both keep me dedicated to finding the cold-blooded murderer that did this crime. [/*]

Gaelicpeas, you said this in such an excellent way. I don't know any of the people involved but I too feel personally attached, I think many of us do. Then at the same time we want to solve the mystery, figure out what happened.

Sometimes it's awkward or uncomfortable to reconcile that personal attachment with the logical.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Maka
Remember a while back when some people were trying to imagine Cl with blond hair?...well...check this guy out


http://www.oem.com.mx/eloccidental/notas/n628253.htm [/*]

Couple Thousands or Maybe Hundreds (?) and he can get some facelift also in Mexico . Ive'd heard that cosmetic surgeries there are cheap.

[Babes]

Did we hear anything from the people who attended the BBQ party hosted by the Laurean?

[CanCan]

:eek: 27 pages.....what the heck did I miss today???!!!

[Babes]

Originally posted by nelkirk



ML's autopsy results from NC came out

http://www.jdnews.com/attachments/jxqt6p-lauterbachautopsy1.pdf

That discussion begins around page 13 [/*]


Thank You for this link.

Baby Clothing was found?

[CanCan]

Originally posted by Jas.S


I'm right with you, Cryme.

The sheet and comforter together is telling, imo. [/*]

Count me in.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CanCan


Count me in. [/*]

To me, there's just no other way around it. Either she killed her when she found her in or on the bed, or Maria grabbed the comforter to wrap herself and went running to the garage (maybe where her car was parked).

And I still say that she won't be arrested until Cesar is captured or there is something definitive as to his "status" (dead or alive).

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


To me, there's just no other way around it. Either she killed her when she found her in or on the bed, or Maria grabbed the comforter to wrap herself and went running to the garage (maybe where her car was parked).

And I still say that she won't be arrested until Cesar is captured or there is something definitive as to his "status" (dead or alive). [/*]

ITA Cryme. Also, we learned today that nobody knew the gender of the baby UNLESS the USMC has a specialized sonogram on file for Maria and they neglected to mention it in the PC.

There is no medical conclusion on the gender that we are aware of at this time IMO.

So, either they had a sonogram which confirmed the February 14th due date and the gender or this was still a shot in the dark IMHO. :shrug:

Again, JMO.:(

[scillak]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


To me, there's just no other way around it. Either she killed her when she found her in or on the bed, or Maria grabbed the comforter to wrap herself and went running to the garage (maybe where her car was parked).

And I still say that she won't be arrested until Cesar is captured or there is something definitive as to his "status" (dead or alive). [/*]

I think you're right. They said blood was found in two rooms, right? I bet the first blow to the head came in the bedroom and then Maria was able to get up and run to the garage.... I think Christina did it. The timeline is still so confusing. You know, Cesar is obviously not a nice guy, but it sounds like he first got pulled into marriage when CSL got pregnant after four months of dating. Then he had the affair and is now involved in a murder. He's trying to take the rap. I'm not even sure what I'm trying to say.....:(
(Haven't posted in a while - was pulled into following the Mark Jensen trial).