Thursday * 03-13-08 * a.m. [Archive] - Page 2

sunstar

03-13-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Hi Strick!

I remember when this case first broke on the news and here the majority really thought that Maria had just said "to heck with it all, I am out of here" and felt she would be found safe and sound.

So I don't fault the investigators who were given information that tended to show the same.

And I do believe it was Maria's full intentions to do just that and leave it all behind. Why she decided to come to Laurean's house first we may never know but I hope we do.

imoo [/*]
I agree GB :) Maria did seem to be wanting to leave or maybe had gotten talked into it by CL, and I say that by her actions on the 14th and purchasing a bus ticket for El Paso as she appeared to know no one there. What is most confusing now is if he did talk her into going there, what went wrong that night that she's now dead and was found buried in his back yard? That is the one question that baffles me the most.

nuttintodo

03-13-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by hinman
And Maybe Cl would be in custody. [/*]

True, he may not have been able to run like he did.

But then again, he probably would have ran anyway.

JMO

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Surely that is one of the first things she put in her three page email, right? Or was it even mentioned at all?

I agree........they seemed very surprised.

imoo [/*]

It's mentioned in the search warrant on page 7, not the actual wording of the email but the words written by the Detective writing the warrant:

According to Mary S. Lauterbach, Maria Lauterbach claimed that she had been raped by a senior officer at her command and that the investigation had gone sour ..... (more at link)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf

hinman

03-13-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Maybe it is possible that Durham didn't know about CL. If she were still having a relationship with him she wouldn't tell Durham he raped her. No yelling please...;this just occurred to me and I am thinking aloud JMO [/*]I am not going to yell at you. I agree that some of my posts might come off as yelling I truly don't mean to. ( I will try to be more careful).

Could be a possibility but I think he new of her situation since he did feel sorry for her and let her stay there. I could be wrong though.

To be honest Bay, I don't know if the LE or even the military did anything wrong. I mean I can sit her and say they should of done this and that but I have never been LE or NCIS so I have no idea what they would of done or what was normal or what evidence they had to go off of.

I can question though and hope I come to an understanding on how the process works and if there needs to be change then fight for them changes and if not then all is fine. I jusst like looking at all possibilities and not saying it definitly happened this way and no way can anyone be wrong.

sunstar

03-13-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Sunstar I agree. I keep going over it because to me it could be the main reason for the murder. I think it will play a major part in the case. Could be wrong though. [/*]
Hi hinman :) I don't think you're wrong at all!

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

BUT did not report her missing till 5 days later?

Her adoptive mother reported her missing on 19 December, 5 days after the last of their phone conversations which purportedly occurred an average of 12 times per week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Maria_Lauterbach [/*]

That's why I posted it was 'debatable' since do we really know when, the actual date, that any thoughts that Maria was just 'clearing her head' and up and left turned into, 'wait a minute, something's not right here'. JMO

strick10

03-13-2008, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

The end result would have been the same since Maria was murdered on 12/14 (as LE says) or 12/15 (as her family says) and she wasn't reported missing until 12/19---that's a period of 4 to 5 days in between.

And perhaps if Maria's body was found earlier, maybe more forensic evidence could have been collected and maybe there wouldn't have been so many BBQ's or fires done over her body.

JMO [/*]

They may have perhaps been able to bring CAL in as well and ensured that he didn't run. Unfortunate it didn't happen that way.

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

It's mentioned in the search warrant on page 7, not the actual wording of the email but the words written by the Detective writing the warrant:

According to Mary S. Lauterbach, Maria Lauterbach claimed that she had been raped by a senior officer at her command and that the investigation had gone sour ..... (more at link)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf [/*]

Thanks Lynn.

Surely she would have given his name to LE. I would think she would have asked Maria months ago when first told what this man's name was?:shrug:

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Let me ask you this gpeas as I truely do not know much about how the civilian LE works in areas such as these. Is it the norm if a civilian female disappears that the LE would immediately begin looking for her if she were a witness to something? [/*]

No idea, Strick, I have no ties to LE or the military. However, I would think that LE would check her residence FIRST if someone went missing.

baywench

03-13-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I am not going to yell at you. I agree that some of my posts might come off as yelling I truly don't mean to. ( I will try to be more careful).

Could be a possibility but I think he new of her situation since he did feel sorry for her and let her stay there. I could be wrong though.

To be honest Bay, I don't know if the LE or even the military did anything wrong. I mean I can sit her and say they should of done this and that but I have never been LE or NCIS so I have no idea what they would of done or what was normal or what evidence they had to go off of.

I can question though and hope I come to an understanding on how the process works and if there needs to be change then fight for them changes and if not then all is fine. I jusst like looking at all possibilities and not saying it definitly happened this way and no way can anyone be wrong. [/*]

Sorry hinman that wasn't (the yelling part) directed at anyone in particular. You always have well thought out posts. I know I can be snarky sometimes (yes really I can!) but you never are. I have always thought that DD was sympathetic to her circumstances meaning a young, unwed, pregnant marine living in a barracks. I just don't think they were buddy-buddy. Most of my male friends were run for the hills when the drama starts coming out of me. Also, he said she was in her bed alot. That made me believe she kept to herself since she was not bedridden. Rather she stayed in her room. JMO

strick10

03-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

No idea, Strick, I have no ties to LE or the military. However, I would think that LE would check her residence FIRST if someone went missing. [/*]

Darn, I was hoping you would know. I think the same in regards to LE checking her home first and possibly the airport and bus station, but, I'm like you I don't know what the LE is required to do in such cases.

hinman

03-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Naturally. Any mother would, and about 1000 other questions as well.
JMO [/*]you're not kidding, by the end of the conversation I would of known more about him then he probably knows about himself.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by baywench

There have been two cases in the news recently where women left of their own accord. There were searches and eventually the women were found and no charges were filed because it is not against the law to leave. IMO [/*]

I don't doubt those cases happen, just as I don't doubt that false allegations of rape happen. But, given the odds (that usually something else much more evil has happened), don't you think LE should check it out?

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Naturally. Any mother would, and about 1000 other questions as well.
JMO [/*]

Me too. I would demand to know his name, rank and serial number.

imoo

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by strick10

They may have perhaps been able to bring CAL in as well and ensured that he didn't run. Unfortunate it didn't happen that way. [/*]

That's indeed true, strick. That's why I have a lot of respect for D.A. Dewey Hudson when I heard him in this interview with Shepard Smith. He is at least willing to see if things could have been done differently. JMO

@2:30 in the video countdown:

Smith: “Let’s look back to the early days of the missing persons investigation and that takes us to the United States Marine Corps which apparently did not make some reporting to the local authorities. Is it your sense that had you known about this earlier, that the facts and circumstances might have changed and this man might be … are there questions about the United States Marine Corps in the way it reported?

Hudson: “Shepard, and I’ve talked to the Sheriff about this, and I want all the people in our country to understand, that all the evidence, the credible evidence is that she was killed on or about December the 14th, Friday, December the 14th, she was not reported miss… that was a Friday, the Marine Corp didn’t even know she was absent until the following Monday, and she was not reported missing until the 19th. So, regardless of what the Marine Corp did, or the Sheriff’s Department or any law enforcement agency, she was dead before we were even aware that she was missing.

Smith: “But he was still in Onslow County”

Hudson: “Well, that is correct, the only concern that any of us have now is that if we maybe had done some things different, we would, he wouldn’t be maybe in Mexico that he’d be behind me in Onslow County jail.

http://tinyurl.com/2klk8w

baywench

03-13-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

I don't doubt those cases happen, just as I don't doubt that false allegations of rape happen. But, given the odds (that usually something else much more evil has happened), don't you think LE should check it out? [/*]

Yes, of course they should. I was responding to the question of wether or not it was a crime to simply disappear. JMO

baywench

03-13-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

ITA everything you said.
(Even the parts about hinman!!)
and baywench, I like it when you get snarky.

JMO [/*]

Now see? I try to convince my husband that it's cute but he doesn't agree. :cool:

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

And didn't most of those neighbors say they didn't even realize she lived there with Durham? And if they did know she lived there, what could they have added to the investigation? That they saw her pack a suitcase and put it in her car and drive off? Would that have led LE to another conclusion than leaving on her own?

And if they had seen something out of the ordinary, where does it preclude them from contacting LE on their own? Or does everybody just sit around and wait for LE to come to their house? [/*]

We really don't know what info they could have contributed as they were only interviewed several weeks after her disappearance.

JMO

hinman

03-13-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Sorry hinman that wasn't (the yelling part) directed at anyone in particular. You always have well thought out posts. I know I can be snarky sometimes (yes really I can!) but you never are. I have always thought that DD was sympathetic to her circumstances meaning a young, unwed, pregnant marine living in a barracks. I just don't think they were buddy-buddy. Most of my male friends were run for the hills when the drama starts coming out of me. Also, he said she was in her bed alot. That made me believe she kept to herself since she was not bedridden. Rather she stayed in her room. JMO [/*]True.

I wonder how they met. Were they friends before she moved in there or did someone know her and Durham and through that she got the place. I think that could answer some of our questions about their relationship.

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Thanks Lynn.

Surely she would have given his name to LE. I would think she would have asked Maria months ago when first told what this man's name was?:shrug:

imoo [/*]

That's the big question because when Mary Lauterbach was asked early on in interviews about the 'INCIDENT', she would answer as she did in this interview with Harris Faulkner:

@ 1:45 Harris Faulkner asks Mary about Maria being “set to testify about an incident on base” and asks Mary “what do you know about that case?” and Mary says “I am aware of it, but I do not want to interfere with the investigation so I cannot speak about it at this time”.

http://tinyurl.com/2r5mon

strick10

03-13-2008, 09:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

That's indeed true, strick. That's why I have a lot of respect for D.A. Dewey Hudson when I heard him in this interview with Shepard Smith. He is at least willing to see if things could have been done differently. JMO

That is commendable Lynn. Hopefully others will follow his lead. I'm a firm believer that everything we do has an opportunity for improvement.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:36 PM

marinewife5

03-13-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From day one, before they found ML's body, I thought there was foul play.

But maybe I am odd.. JMO [/*]

You may be odd, but i have always found you to be well thought out and insightful even when we don't agree. I thought she was in some sort of trouble (medical) when she disappeared. jmo

hinman

03-13-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From day one, before they found ML's body, I thought there was foul play.

But maybe I am odd.. JMO [/*]So did my husband gaelic, but he is a defense attorney. We were watching the case on Greta or Nancy and they were saying how they thought she ran off and he said babe I bet money she is dead.

nuttintodo

03-13-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

{{{shudder}}} doesn't that make you sick STILL everytime you think about it?? [/*]

Yes it does and I want to barf each and everytime.

JMO

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by baywench

Sorry hinman that wasn't (the yelling part) directed at anyone in particular. You always have well thought out posts. I know I can be snarky sometimes (yes really I can!) but you never are. I have always thought that DD was sympathetic to her circumstances meaning a young, unwed, pregnant marine living in a barracks. I just don't think they were buddy-buddy. Most of my male friends were run for the hills when the drama starts coming out of me. Also, he said she was in her bed alot. That made me believe she kept to herself since she was not bedridden. Rather she stayed in her room. JMO [/*]

I agree. I don't think he really even knew her that well before she moved in.

I don't even think he was in her same MOS since he was sent on training maneuvers in 29 Palms.

He may have heard through another friend that Maria need an off base room that knew DD was wanting someone to stay in his home until he returned from California.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Based on the information and evidence available at the time I'd have to say LE did what they saw fit. I think some wish that LE or whomever had jumped right on it and found her sooner even though the end result would probably still have been the same. Unfortunately, all indications at that time were that she had left on her own. [/*]

The problem, as I see it, is that we have LE for a reason. They are there to investigate. In this case, a missing pregnant woman with a rape allegation on file.

Unfortunately, they only did a cursory investigation of a missing person.. hospitals, ditches.

No investigation of the accused rapist. No investigation of her home...

Geez.. they took the word of a "note". That must make a lot of criminally-minded people happy....

JMO

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

That's debatable, I guess, since originally the Lauterbach family was told to stay in Ohio.

Mary Lauterbach and her brother planned to travel to North Carolina on Dec. 21, but investigators “asked us to stay put because they really thought maybe she was frustrated and she would be coming back to town.”

http://www.oxfordpress.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/homefront/entries/2008/01/10/

The case only started to heat up when Mary Lauterbach and her brother, Kentucky psychiatrist Dr. Peter Steiner, showed up at the base on Jan. 7 accompanied by an Onslow County sheriff's detective.

The Marine Corps later contended, "This the first indication to the command that foul play may be suspected in her absence."

That's nonsense, Mary Lauterbach now says: "From Day 1, I voiced that concern."

But things finally seemed to be happening. That same day — 25 days after Lauterbach vanished — Laurean was brought to NCIS to speak with the sheriff's office. "He is questioned as a possible witness, not a suspect," the Marine Corps said.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html [/*]

Thank you, Lynn. This is actually why I first became interested in this case. There were other reports expressing Mary's frustration with trying to get the MC to do something and getting frustrated... and I do not have a link, so I will just say IMO. But that is exactly what drew me to this case.

JMO

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by hinman
So did my husband gaelic, but he is a defense attorney. We were watching the case on Greta or Nancy and they were saying how they thought she ran off and he said babe I bet money she is dead. [/*]

:chicken:

;)

baywench

03-13-2008, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

The problem, as I see it, is that we have LE for a reason. They are there to investigate. In this case, a missing pregnant woman with a rape allegation on file.

Unfortunately, they only did a cursory investigation of a missing person.. hospitals, ditches.

No investigation of the accused rapist. No investigation of her home...

Geez.. they took the word of a "note". That must make a lot of criminally-minded people happy....

JMO [/*]

I'm sure if furniture was knocked over, or the her drawers were rifled or if her car was there they would have had reason to investigate further. Otherwise I respectfully disagree that there was anything else for them to do at that point. JMO

strick10

03-13-2008, 09:48 PM

I was thinking on my way home from work today... Did the first blow to the head render Maria unconcious, did it kill her or was she able to realize what was happening? I know they found some blood in the home and the majority in the garage so could the first blow have been in the house and she found her way into the garage where he killed her or did he kill her in the garage and track blood into the home. Don't mean to be morbid. Wish I knew who built the home CAL had so that I could attempt to find the floor plan.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

It's mentioned in the search warrant on page 7, not the actual wording of the email but the words written by the Detective writing the warrant:

According to Mary S. Lauterbach, Maria Lauterbach claimed that she had been raped by a senior officer at her command and that the investigation had gone sour ..... (more at link)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf [/*]

Thanks, again, Lynn.

What is unclear to me is whether ML's mother knew who the alleged rapist was? As in his name..

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From day one, before they found ML's body, I thought there was foul play.

But maybe I am odd.. JMO [/*]

I don't think you are odd at all. Most of the time here we assume that foul play has been done.

That is why this case was very unusual when it first came out because on this one so many thought Maria had left the stress all behind and would be found safe and sound.

Just like in the Jennifer Wilbanks case or Beth Smith case most people thought they had met with foul play and it turned out not to be the case.

But I can see you thinking that. I just didnt.......I was as totally surprised as SB when they found out she had been murdered.

imoo

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Thanks Lynn.

Surely she would have given his name to LE. I would think she would have asked Maria months ago when first told what this man's name was?:shrug:

imoo [/*]
I never understood a lot of things. Mary stated: "She didn't reveal the name of her attacker, only that he was Hispanic, a married man with a child"

If I had been told way back in May by my daughter that she had been raped I would have made it my priority to find out all the details, not only from my daughter, but through personal investigation.

hinman

03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thanks, again, Lynn.

What is unclear to me is whether ML's mother knew who the alleged rapist was? As in his name.. [/*]you know gaelic, I don't remember Mary ever mentioning his name. If my memory serves me well, I think I remember reading that Mary said Maria told her he was a hispanic male, who was married. Now I could be wrong.

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 09:51 PM

henry

03-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thank you, Lynn. This is actually why I first became interested in this case. There were other reports expressing Mary's frustration with trying to get the MC to do something and getting frustrated... and I do not have a link, so I will just say IMO. But that is exactly what drew me to this case.

JMO [/*]

also, iirc, mary spoke to durham that nite (12/14) or the next day - she was quite worried and, again, iirc he said hold off for a while 'cause you could get her into big trouble if you report her missing . . . again, iird & jmo - too many links bookmarked and it's late . . . p.s. i stayed up just to say hi!

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

The problem, as I see it, is that we have LE for a reason. They are there to investigate. In this case, a missing pregnant woman with a rape allegation on file.

Unfortunately, they only did a cursory investigation of a missing person.. hospitals, ditches.

No investigation of the accused rapist. No investigation of her home...

Geez.. they took the word of a "note". That must make a lot of criminally-minded people happy....

JMO [/*]

How would that make a criminal happy? From that note they found that Maria and Gabriel were dead and buried.:shrug: They also said that they were given tangible evidence that morning.

imoo

crymeariver2006

03-13-2008, 09:54 PM

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by hinman
you know gaelic, I don't remember Mary ever mentioning his name. If my memory serves me well, I think I remember reading that Mary said Maria told her he was a hispanic male, who was married. Now I could be wrong. [/*]

That is so strange. Didn't Maria even go home for a 10 day leave in June 07. Surely it was discussed.:shrug:

imoo

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thanks, again, Lynn.

What is unclear to me is whether ML's mother knew who the alleged rapist was? As in his name.. [/*]

That's what we don't know because the actual 3 page email that she wrote is not availalbe. :mad:

I can't help but wonder if she didn't know the name, only because of all the back and forth between Sheriff Brown and NCIS Agent Cicarrelli about what date OCSD knew Laurean's name. Cicarrelli says OCSD knew on December 19th and Sheriff Brown says he knew on January 7th.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54422___article.html/lauterbach_bus.html

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't forget "popular".

;)

Which is the part of the description I've never quite understood. [/*]
I left that part out because it sounded like High School :)

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

You may be odd, but i have always found you to be well thought out and insightful even when we don't agree. I thought she was in some sort of trouble (medical) when she disappeared. jmo [/*]

Interesting idea.. and thank you, mw5.

I just wish I had access to the earliest news reports. They aren't on the links thread. It was the very first day this story hit the news. There was a news report talking about Mary trying to get the MC to do something from day one.. like Dec 14.. but they told her they had to wait until Monday, Dec 17, to declare her UA.. and so her mother went to local (Ohio) LE..

ugh.. I can only say JMO as I have no link. But this is exactly what brought me into this case.. ML's mother's frustration with getting anybody to look into her daughter's disappearance.

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by henry

also, iirc, mary spoke to durham that nite (12/14) or the next day - she was quite worried and, again, iirc he said hold off for a while 'cause you could get her into big trouble if you report her missing . . . again, iird & jmo - too many links bookmarked and it's late . . . p.s. i stayed up just to say hi! [/*]

And again.....IF Lisa was correct on AC360 and Maria had gone off before, then he would have been looking out for her IMO.

....I thought he talked to Anne and she told him about her mother having a stern conversation with Maria earlier?????

That just rings a bell....

JMO tho

strick10

03-13-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't forget "popular".

;)

Which is the part of the description I've never quite understood. [/*]

Neither have I cryme.

baywench

03-13-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I never understood a lot of things. Mary stated: "She didn't reveal the name of her attacker, only that he was Hispanic, a married man with a child"

If I had been told way back in May by my daughter that she had been raped I would have made it my priority to find out all the details, not only from my daughter, but through personal investigation. [/*]

You know Ivy the relatinship between Mary and Maria is at the heart of this whole thing I believe. They had such a strange way of relating to each other. We as mothers and daughters keep trying to put our own experiences into play when determining some of things that happened and it doesn't work. My daughters are very independent but I know they would have called me immediately if they were raped and I would have gone to them. However, one of my daughters when she was in the miitary would reiterate to me all the time that she was a soldier and in essence belonged to the military first and not me in some instances. But even so, I think she would have told all me to me because she was a victim and there was no point in protecting him (unless it was from me and her Dad). That's just another reason I think DD didn't know about it and that Maria was still hoping to have a relationship with CL. Also when she told her friend that she had to wait and see if her pregnancy was a good thing or a bad thing. I just don't think that would be the response if the child was a result of rape. IMO

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't forget "popular".

;)

Which is the part of the description I've never quite understood. [/*]

I think it speaks to the maturity level and the type of relationship they might have had. Think HS! :hat:

JMO

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:00 PM

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

How would that make a criminal happy? From that note they found that Maria and Gabriel were dead and buried.:shrug: They also said that they were given tangible evidence that morning.

imoo [/*]

I took gaelic's post to mean Maria's note, not Laurean's note. Without any handwriting analysis done on the note, it seems they felt that Maria had written the note leading to her being determined as leaving on her own. For all they knew, that note could have been written under coercion, written by someone else, etc. They took the note at face value without further inquiry. JMO

strick10

03-13-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Interesting idea.. and thank you, mw5.

I just wish I had access to the earliest news reports. They aren't on the links thread. It was the very first day this story hit the news. There was a news report talking about Mary trying to get the MC to do something from day one.. like Dec 14.. but they told her they had to wait until Monday, Dec 17, to declare her UA.. and so her mother went to local (Ohio) LE..

ugh.. I can only say JMO as I have no link. But this is exactly what brought me into this case.. ML's mother's frustration with getting anybody to look into her daughter's disappearance. [/*]

I don't recall Mary attempting to call the MC on 14 Dec 08. I do recall that the MC called Mary on 18 Dec 08 to discuss Marias UA status which is the norm for the MC to do. IIRC she contacted her local LE first. JMO

henry

03-13-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

And again.....IF Lisa was correct on AC360 and Maria had gone off before, then he would have been looking out for her IMO.

....I thought he talked to Anne and she told him about her mother having a stern conversation with Maria earlier?????

That just rings a bell....

JMO tho [/*]

hah! my memory doesn't remember that, but maria did have sat & sun off from work . . . so maybe that's what durham was asked as i think they had the bus ticket info at that time . . . jmo and memory :)

crymeariver2006

03-13-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From day one, before they found ML's body, I thought there was foul play.

But maybe I am odd.. JMO [/*]

Oh I did too. As I said, I first read about the case in a little AP article right before Christmas. And I thought about Laci Peterson 'cause Maria was pregnant and due to testify about "an incident on base" (without saying rape). That is, until they started talking about bus tickets, notes left for her roomate, mother saying "bipolar" and "compulsive liar"......Then I figured she just split on her own. Pregnant or not.

Only when they said something about Durham being a "person of interest" did I think something was wrong - automatically thinking he was connected to the "incident on base" that she was supposed to testify about.

marinewife5

03-13-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Interesting idea.. and thank you, mw5.

I just wish I had access to the earliest news reports. They aren't on the links thread. It was the very first day this story hit the news. There was a news report talking about Mary trying to get the MC to do something from day one.. like Dec 14.. but they told her they had to wait until Monday, Dec 17, to declare her UA.. and so her mother went to local (Ohio) LE..

ugh.. I can only say JMO as I have no link. But this is exactly what brought me into this case.. ML's mother's frustration with getting anybody to look into her daughter's disappearance. [/*]
I have no link to provide, but IIRC mary was told by DD not to contact the MC, and the MC called her on 12/18 to let her know that Maria was listed as ua and all they could do was upgrade her to deserter to hasten the search for her. jmo

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That is so strange. Didn't Maria even go home for a 10 day leave in June 07. Surely it was discussed.:shrug:

imoo [/*]
Yep, she sure did take leave in June.

Then she returns to base, keeps reporting to her mother that things are happening to her, her car, and verbal altercation from Christina and yet no inquiry is made regarding CAL :rolleyes:

Wasn't her mother concerned Maria would be living off Base and no longer under protection if Maria was so in fear of CAL?????

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by baywench

I'm sure if furniture was knocked over, or the her drawers were rifled or if her car was there they would have had reason to investigate further. Otherwise I respectfully disagree that there was anything else for them to do at that point. JMO [/*]

Well.. there are a lot of other details.. her car sitting downtown for weeks.. cell phone found on the side of the road.. somebody with a rag accessing her ATM...

And yet, in the NC student body president killing, it took only a few days to track the alleged murderers down. My point is, there was no investigation. They, LE and the MC, based everything on this "note" that ML supposedly left. Can you just imagine how that must make the criminally-minded feel? JMO

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:04 PM

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't think you are odd at all. Most of the time here we assume that foul play has been done.

That is why this case was very unusual when it first came out because on this one so many thought Maria had left the stress all behind and would be found safe and sound.

Just like in the Jennifer Wilbanks case or Beth Smith case most people thought they had met with foul play and it turned out not to be the case.

But I can see you thinking that. I just didnt.......I was as totally surprised as SB when they found out she had been murdered.

imoo [/*]

Well then I must be weird, because I seriously thought this woman was doomed from the moment it hit the news. Missing, accused fellow Marine of rape... um.. in my mind it was like DOH.

strick10

03-13-2008, 10:06 PM

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

I took gaelic's post to mean Maria's note, not Laurean's note. Without any handwriting analysis done on the note, it seems they felt that Maria had written the note leading to her being determined as leaving on her own. For all they knew, that note could have been written under coercion, written by someone else, etc. They took the note at face value without further inquiry. JMO [/*]

Oh then I owe her an apology I thought she meant his note.

I think the MC had plenty of her writing to look at in order to think if it looked like her writing. Of course they will send it off for analysis but I think her handwriting would be readily accessible. DD did not even seem to question it and thought it was from Maria. Maybe he has seen her writing before and knew from that. And they had more than just the note imo.

I don't think LE has anything to show she was forced to do anything that she did on the 14th.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by baywench

You know Ivy the relatinship between Mary and Maria is at the heart of this whole thing I believe. They had such a strange way of relating to each other. We as mothers and daughters keep trying to put our own experiences into play when determining some of things that happened and it doesn't work. My daughters are very independent but I know they would have called me immediately if they were raped and I would have gone to them. However, one of my daughters when she was in the miitary would reiterate to me all the time that she was a soldier and in essence belonged to the military first and not me in some instances. But even so, I think she would have told all me to me because she was a victim and there was no point in protecting him (unless it was from me and her Dad). That's just another reason I think DD didn't know about it and that Maria was still hoping to have a relationship with CL. Also when she told her friend that she had to wait and see if her pregnancy was a good thing or a bad thing. I just don't think that would be the response if the child was a result of rape. IMO [/*]

:no: Bay, I am tearing up at your post and thinking about how it should have been, but they didn't have a relationship like that IMO.

What on earth were they talking about several times a day and it didn't just start with the baby?

Mary said it was that was why she was screening Maria's calls before that time.

Then we have Uncle P who claims some kind of attachment disorder that goes back to 18\9 months old.

I smell fish. JMO:(

marinewife5

03-13-2008, 10:08 PM

strick10

03-13-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

:no: Bay, I am tearing up at your post and thinking about how it should have been, but they didn't have a relationship like that IMO.

What on earth were they talking about several times a day and it didn't just start with the baby?

Mary said it was that was why she was screening Maria's calls before that time.

Then we have Uncle P who claims some kind of attachment disorder that goes back to 18\9 months old.

I smell fish. JMO:( [/*]

Yup.

crymeariver2006

03-13-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Well.. there are a lot of other details.. her car sitting downtown for weeks.. cell phone found on the side of the road.. somebody with a rag accessing her ATM...

And yet, in the NC student body president killing, it took only a few days to track the alleged murderers down. My point is, there was no investigation. They, LE and the MC, based everything on this "note" that ML supposedly left. Can you just imagine how that must make the criminally-minded feel? JMO [/*]

Well in the CHill case, you had neighbors hearing gunshots (which they reported right away to LE), Eve Carson's body lying in the street where she was shot, her car being driven by the killers who never tried to hide their identity at the bank or the convenience store. People recognized them right off and flooded Crimestoppers with calls and that's why they were apprehended so quickly.

I really don't think it's a fair comparison to this case.

hinman

03-13-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Well.. there are a lot of other details.. her car sitting downtown for weeks.. cell phone found on the side of the road.. somebody with a rag accessing her ATM...

And yet, in the NC student body president killing, it took only a few days to track the alleged murderers down. My point is, there was no investigation. They, LE and the MC, based everything on this "note" that ML supposedly left. Can you just imagine how that must make the criminally-minded feel? JMO [/*]
Here is a artilce I found could it be what you are talking about. I am trying to find it for you gaelic.

Sheriff Brown said Tuesday there was a delay from when the mother first reported her missing and making the public plea because they were unsure if the Marine had been on leave over the Christmas holidays.

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13531467.html

henry

03-13-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here's the link to the long article where Mary mentions DD.
http://tinyurl.com/yvw6rm [/*]

thank you! no truer words were ever spoken about "popular"

Maria confided to her mother that her attacker was "very popular," and said, "I know there's going to be hell to pay for saying anything."

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, she sure did take leave in June.

Then she returns to base, keeps reporting to her mother that things are happening to her, her car, and verbal altercation from Christina and yet no inquiry is made regarding CAL :rolleyes:

Wasn't her mother concerned Maria would be living off Base and no longer under protection if Maria was so in fear of CAL????? [/*]

That's an excellent point Ivy, given they have a military background.

I just think there were different stories for different people and I hate to say that, but I do.

JMO:(

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

How would that make a criminal happy? From that note they found that Maria and Gabriel were dead and buried.:shrug: They also said that they were given tangible evidence that morning.

imoo [/*]

No, I was talking about ML's note.

My reference to making the criminally-minded happy was that all they had to do was leave a "note" saying someone had disappeared, and no one would investigate.

crymeariver2006

03-13-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

No, I was talking about ML's note.

My reference to making the criminally-minded happy was that all they had to do was leave a "note" saying someone had disappeared, and no one would investigate. [/*]

And I would say that they have a very false sense of security.

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Well then I must be weird, because I seriously thought this woman was doomed from the moment it hit the news. Missing, accused fellow Marine of rape... um.. in my mind it was like DOH. [/*]

I don't remember the words "allegations of rape" coming out for days. Not even by Mary who used "incident" like the media kept using.

All it said she was to testify to an "incident" that happened on base.
:shrug:

It was awhile before we learned about the rape allegations iirc and we didn't even know what the word "incident" meant at the time.

IMO

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

And I would say that they have a very false sense of security. [/*]

And I just got my bags packed heading out to your place. :rolleyes:

TIA for the notice. :chicken:

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:17 PM

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

No, I was talking about ML's note.

My reference to making the criminally-minded happy was that all they had to do was leave a "note" saying someone had disappeared, and no one would investigate. [/*]

Yes, I am sorry Gaelic, I misunderstood you.

But it was much more than the note that lead them in that direction imo.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by strick10

I don't recall Mary attempting to call the MC on 14 Dec 08. I do recall that the MC called Mary on 18 Dec 08 to discuss Marias UA status which is the norm for the MC to do. IIRC she contacted her local LE first. JMO [/*]

Like I said, Strick, those links aren't on the links thread... so I can just say IMO. But I do know very clearly that this is what first interested me in this case. JMO

strick10

03-13-2008, 10:21 PM

:seeya: Night all. I have an early morning coming. Keep the posts coming, tonights posts have been good food for thought.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Oh I did too. As I said, I first read about the case in a little AP article right before Christmas. And I thought about Laci Peterson 'cause Maria was pregnant and due to testify about "an incident on base" (without saying rape). That is, until they started talking about bus tickets, notes left for her roomate, mother saying "bipolar" and "compulsive liar"......Then I figured she just split on her own. Pregnant or not.

Only when they said something about Durham being a "person of interest" did I think something was wrong - automatically thinking he was connected to the "incident on base" that she was supposed to testify about. [/*]

dang, Cryme.. I wish we could find those very early articles in the news...

I, too, wondered about Durham then.. but I was also equally concerned because ML's mother couldn't get anybody to do anthing (the MC, local LE).

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by strick10
:seeya: Night all. I have an early morning coming. Keep the posts coming, tonights posts have been good food for thought. [/*]

Night Strick! :seeya:

baywench

03-13-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Well.. there are a lot of other details.. her car sitting downtown for weeks.. cell phone found on the side of the road.. somebody with a rag accessing her ATM...

And yet, in the NC student body president killing, it took only a few days to track the alleged murderers down. My point is, there was no investigation. They, LE and the MC, based everything on this "note" that ML supposedly left. Can you just imagine how that must make the criminally-minded feel? JMO [/*]

THat is completely different, she was dead. THere were no other details at the time of Maria's disappearance. The details you are referring to were found much later in the investigation. That first night they had very little to go on. What else did they have to base anything on but the note. It said she was leaving, her car and belongings were gone. They are not psychic. Things do not happen instantly. They were looking into her bank account activity etc so investigation was on-going. What else specifically in your opinion could have been done? JMo

edited cos I can't type

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I have no link to provide, but IIRC mary was told by DD not to contact the MC, and the MC called her on 12/18 to let her know that Maria was listed as ua and all they could do was upgrade her to deserter to hasten the search for her. jmo [/*]

Yes, that is true, according to reports. But the very earliest news reports... very early reports.. ML's mother couldn't get anybody to do anything.. as in she knew immediately that something was wrong.

ugh... I will cease and desist on this as I have no links. Just what is in my mind..

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Yep, she sure did take leave in June.

Then she returns to base, keeps reporting to her mother that things are happening to her, her car, and verbal altercation from Christina and yet no inquiry is made regarding CAL :rolleyes:

Wasn't her mother concerned Maria would be living off Base and no longer under protection if Maria was so in fear of CAL????? [/*]

When did Maria's cousin even find out that Maria was supposed to have been raped and was pregnant?

The one where there was a link put up today were he writes his thoughts about Maria and being around her growing up?

imoo

henry

03-13-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by strick10
:seeya: Night all. I have an early morning coming. Keep the posts coming, tonights posts have been good food for thought. [/*]

ditto . . . dh has been staring at the back of my head for the past hour . . . guess i better turn around and talk!

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by strick10
:seeya: Night all. I have an early morning coming. Keep the posts coming, tonights posts have been good food for thought. [/*]

:seeya:

marinewife5

03-13-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Yes, that is true, according to reports. But the very earliest news reports... very early reports.. ML's mother couldn't get anybody to do anything.. as in she knew immediately that something was wrong.

ugh... I will cease and desist on this as I have no links. Just what is in my mind.. [/*]

I understand. but please bear in mind that mary was their primary source of info on maria. the mc is not going to investigate her missing status. le was working with what they had, a large part of that was info coming from mary herself. mary could have filed the missing person report sooner, imo. i don't know what it would have hastened, and maria would still have met her unfortunate fate, but it appears to me that even mary felt she had run. jmo

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by strick10
:seeya: Night all. I have an early morning coming. Keep the posts coming, tonights posts have been good food for thought. [/*]
Nite strick!

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

With all due respect, there was more to go on than the note. There were other factors that we are not privy to at this time. jmo [/*]

lol... well, I can only go on what we know. I completely agree there is a lot we are not privy to. And once we are, I will be more than willing to toss out half a dozen of my theories.. :D

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by henry

ditto . . . dh has been staring at the back of my head for the past hour . . . guess i better turn around and talk! [/*]

Nite Henry!:seeya:

marinewife5

03-13-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

lol... well, I can only go on what we know. I completely agree there is a lot we are not privy to. And once we are, I will be more than willing to toss out half a dozen of my theories.. :D [/*]

in the end, somehow, ALL of your theories will be right...LOL

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

When did Maria's cousin even find out that Maria was supposed to have been raped and was pregnant?

The one where there was a link put up today were he writes his thoughts about Maria and being around her growing up?

imoo [/*]

Here it is GB:

In mid-December, my family received the news that Maria had gone missing.

Reports were sketchy, but apparently he had been set to testify as a witness in some legal matter, had abruptly recanted her testimony left a note on the door of her apartment saying she just needed to get away, and disappeared.

It wasn't until this week that we found out that she was pregnant and that she had accused a fellow Marine of rape.
http://all-seaming-eye.livejournal.com/16852.html

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Well in the CHill case, you had neighbors hearing gunshots (which they reported right away to LE), Eve Carson's body lying in the street where she was shot, her car being driven by the killers who never tried to hide their identity at the bank or the convenience store. People recognized them right off and flooded Crimestoppers with calls and that's why they were apprehended so quickly.

I really don't think it's a fair comparison to this case. [/*]

Good point...

However, I think a cursory investigation was conducted as regards to the missing persons case with ML. And, as we know now, there was a lot of evidence (e.g., ATM withdrawal on 12/24 by male with rag), car found, cell phone found.. that would indicate something other than a missing persons case.

Agreed... all of this was after her murder (as far as we know).

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by henry

ditto . . . dh has been staring at the back of my head for the past hour . . . guess i better turn around and talk! [/*]
See ya tomorrow henry :seeya:

hinman

03-13-2008, 10:35 PM

Gaelic is this it. I am trying to remember now what it was you were looking for. LOL I will go re read what you were looking for.

Authorities faced tough questions about why so much time had elapsed between the missing person's report and the revelation that Lauterbach was dead without Laurean being questioned about her disappearance. Brown said that authorities had contacted Laurean and that the Marine said he would come to the sheriff's office, but then canceled.

"I won't be coming down

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4115487&page=2

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by hinman

Here is a artilce I found could it be what you are talking about. I am trying to find it for you gaelic.

Sheriff Brown said Tuesday there was a delay from when the mother first reported her missing and making the public plea because they were unsure if the Marine had been on leave over the Christmas holidays.

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13531467.html [/*]

Thanks, Hinman.. but that is not the one..

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by baywench

THat is completely different, she was dead. THere were no other details at the time of Maria's disappearance. The details you are referring to were found much later in the investigation. That first night they had very little to go on. What else did they have to base anything on but the note. It said she was leaving, her car and belongings were gone. They are not psychic. Things do not happen instantly. They were looking into her bank account activity etc so investigation was on-going. What else specifically in your opinion could have been done? JMo

edited cos I can't type [/*]

I would think that anytime an 8-month pregnant woman went missing who had a rape allegation on file that I would check into the whereabouts of the alleged rapist.. note or not...

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by baywench

That is completely different, she was dead. THere were no other details at the time of Maria's disappearance. The details you are referring to were found much later in the investigation. That first night they had very little to go on. What else did they have to base anything on but the note. It said she was leaving, her car and belongings were gone. They are not psychic. Things do not happen instantly. They were looking into her bank account activity etc so investigation was on-going. What else specifically in your opinion could have been done? JMo

edited cos I can't type [/*]

Right and things just don't happen overnight. The ATM tape access would mean they had to seek a search warrant for the tape to be turned over to them. But they probably did know at that time that she had made a withdrawal the SAME day she left the note that DD did not question but thought it did come from Maria.

It was an ongoing investigation and it kept bolstering the thought she had left on her own when they found out she had purchased a bus ticket the SAME day she withdrew money the SAME day she left the "Dear DD" note.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

I understand. but please bear in mind that mary was their primary source of info on maria. the mc is not going to investigate her missing status. le was working with what they had, a large part of that was info coming from mary herself. mary could have filed the missing person report sooner, imo. i don't know what it would have hastened, and maria would still have met her unfortunate fate, but it appears to me that even mary felt she had run. jmo [/*]

ok.. I said I would cease and desist.. but my very earliest memories of this, FWIW, is that ML's mother from day 1 tried to get the MC to do something.. the MC said they couldn't do anything until Monday, Dec 17.. so from there, ML's mother went to local LE (in Ohio), and they in turn filed a missing persons report.

JMO, and just from my memory...

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

in the end, somehow, ALL of your theories will be right...LOL [/*]

lol.. no, 12 of my theories will be wrong, and one will be right.. not great odds.. :D

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Good point...

However, I think a cursory investigation was conducted as regards to the missing persons case with ML. And, as we know now, there was a lot of evidence (e.g., ATM withdrawal on 12/24 by male with rag), car found, cell phone found.. that would indicate something other than a missing persons case.

Agreed... all of this was after her murder (as far as we know). [/*]

Maybe that is one of the questions we should ask Captain Sutherland. When were they in possession of the ATM tape that was done on the 24th one day before Christmas?

I bet it took a couple of weeks or more especially with the Christmas and New Year holidays.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Gaelic is this it. I am trying to remember now what it was you were looking for. LOL I will go re read what you were looking for.

Authorities faced tough questions about why so much time had elapsed between the missing person's report and the revelation that Lauterbach was dead without Laurean being questioned about her disappearance. Brown said that authorities had contacted Laurean and that the Marine said he would come to the sheriff's office, but then canceled.

"I won't be coming down

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4115487&page=2 [/*]

you are doing great, Hinman.. but no.. this was before that.. but thanks for looking!

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

ok.. I said I would cease and desist.. but my very earliest memories of this, FWIW, is that ML's mother from day 1 tried to get the MC to do something.. the MC said they couldn't do anything until Monday, Dec 17.. so from there, ML's mother went to local LE (in Ohio), and they in turn filed a missing persons report.

JMO, and just from my memory... [/*]

But that is confusing to me Gaelic. The MC did enter her as missing at risk on 12-17 and Mary Lauterbach did not contact local LE until the 19th.:shrug:

imoo

hinman

03-13-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Maybe that is one of the questions we should ask Captain Sutherland. When were they in possession of the ATM tape that was done on the 24th one day before Christmas?

I bet it took a couple of weeks or more especially with the Christmas and New Year holidays.

imoo [/*]I was reading old articles and the firsst I see it mentioned that a white male covered the camera with a rag was January 8th.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Maybe that is one of the questions we should ask Captain Sutherland. When were they in possession of the ATM tape that was done on the 24th one day before Christmas?

I bet it took a couple of weeks or more especially with the Christmas and New Year holidays.

imoo [/*]

That has been my point all along.. that with Christmas and New Year's, there wasn't much going on with the investigation..

JMO

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:52 PM

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But that is confusing to me Gaelic. The MC did enter her as missing at risk on 12-17 and Mary Lauterbach did not contact local LE until the 19th.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Like I said, GB, I do not have a link.. but I have a very vivid memory of ML's mother trying to get somebody to look into her daughter's disappearance... and finally she went to local LE (in Ohio).

JMO

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I was reading old articles and the firsst I see it mentioned that a white male covered the camera with a rag was January 8th. [/*]
:) Here we go again with dates.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I was reading old articles and the firsst I see it mentioned that a white male covered the camera with a rag was January 8th. [/*]

Exactly, Hinman.. why did it take so long for someone to find this? Obviously, as in the NC student body president case, this data is available within a couple of days..

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Like I said, GB, I do not have a link.. but I have a very vivid memory of ML's mother trying to get somebody to look into her daughter's disappearance... and finally she went to local LE (in Ohio).

JMO [/*]

In the link I posted earlier it said "Mary Lauterbach filed a missing persons report in Vandalia on Dec. 18, and the police department alerted the Onslow County Sheriff's Office in Jacksonville."

CanCan

03-13-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Maka
I just heard back from the Montgomery County Ohio probate clerk's office about the first docket entry showing Maria had a will to deposit...it was an error in code entry and there is no will. I guess they'll update that to reflect that soon.

moo [/*]

Is this something to add to Jas's Error List??

(I'm reading the thread backward, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. :o )

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by CanCan

Is this something to add to Jas's Error List??

(I'm reading the thread backward, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. :o ) [/*]

Speaking of that list, I think we can add this:

CL WAS a flight risk.

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 10:57 PM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Maka
I just heard back from the Montgomery County Ohio probate clerk's office about the first docket entry showing Maria had a will to deposit...it was an error in code entry and there is no will. I guess they'll update that to reflect that soon.

moo [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forgot to ask you Maka if you also mentioned the Date of Death was wrong also????

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

That has been my point all along.. that with Christmas and New Year's, there wasn't much going on with the investigation..

JMO [/*]

Well the banks also have people off for the holidays so it does hamper the investigation and they were off for weekends and two holidays.

imoo

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But that is confusing to me Gaelic. The MC did enter her as missing at risk on 12-17 and Mary Lauterbach did not contact local LE until the 19th.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

Gentle, this video interview of Mary Lauterbach might help in clearing up some of those dates. It's about 6-1/2 minute video. At @ 3:45, Mary talks about who and when she contacted the Marines, local Vidalia LE and OCSD. (not verbatim)

Sgt. Durham calls Mary the evening of 12/14 after she gets home from work to tell her Maria is 'gone'. Immediately, she started calling Maria's cellphone and it was turned off. She began the contact with the Marines on the following workday, December 17th when she realized that when someone is on an unauthorized absence status, the Marines don't start checking on people until they are formally in deserter status. The next day, there was no word from anyone, so she contacted OCSD who told her to contact her local Vidalia LE for proper identification and that's where she filed the Missing Person Report on that Tuesday, the 18th of December and they contacted OCSD.

http://tinyurl.com/3af75v

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Gentle, this video interview of Mary Lauterbach might help in clearing up some of those dates. It's about 6-1/2 minute video. At @ 3:45, Mary talks about who and when she contacted the Marines, local Vidalia LE and OCSD. (not verbatim)

Sgt. Durham calls Mary the evening of 12/14 after she gets home from work to tell her Maria is 'gone'. Immediately, she started calling Maria's cellphone and it was turned off. She began the contact with the Marines on the following workday, December 17th when she realized that when someone is on an unauthorized absence status, the Marines don't start checking on people until they are formally in deserter status. The next day, there was no word from anyone, so she contacted OCSD who told her to contact her local Vidalia LE for proper identification and that's where she filed the Missing Person Report on that Tuesday, the 18th of December and they contacted OCSD.

http://tinyurl.com/3af75v [/*]

as always, thank you, Lynn!

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Well the banks also have people off for the holidays so it does hamper the investigation and they were off for weekends and two holidays.

imoo [/*]

exactly my point, Gentle.. but LE, with a missings person case, needs to be able to access these records on holidays.

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:03 PM

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I was reading old articles and the first I see it mentioned that a white male covered the camera with a rag was January 8th. [/*]

That sounds about right Hinman.

I think they released the tape as soon as they had it in their possession and that was in January.........most likely the 8th. Although I was thinking when we first saw it Laurean had already flown the coop.

imoo

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That sounds about right Hinman.

I think they released the tape as soon as they had it in their possession and that was in January.........most likely the 8th. Although I was thinking when we first saw it Laurean had already flown the coop.

imoo [/*]I don't think they released it to the public until he fleed. Not sure why though. I think you are right though, we didn't see the actual tape until then.

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 11:10 PM

Probable Cause warrant ... Interview of Durham (excerpt at bottom of page 7),

He also stated that Ms. Maria Lauterbach was in no shape for extended outings. He was concerned and did go to his command to report her as missing. The command confirmed Mr. (sic) Durham’s statements, but also stated that little was done on the military side and no official missing report was filed.

According to Mr. (sic) Durham, Warrant Officer Wright of the USMC 2MLG was notified of Ms. Lauterbach’s missing status. Attempts were made multiple times by JMoore E383 to contact Warrant Officer Wright of 2MLG thus far with no results. At the time of the report, the command had disbursed for holiday leave.

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That sounds about right Hinman.

I think they released the tape as soon as they had it in their possession and that was in January.........most likely the 8th. Although I was thinking when we first saw it Laurean had already flown the coop.

imoo [/*]
I keep referring back to the "Key Dates" that were posted here
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2294047/
and then read elsewhere different dates on some.

My 'ol shoulder's are getting kinda tired :shrug: all the time.

Maka

03-13-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by CanCan

Is this something to add to Jas's Error List??

(I'm reading the thread backward, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. :o ) [/*]

Now that you mention it...it could go on there! :cool: (Not a stupid Q...I noticed it in the docket for her probate case and it bugged me, so I had to ask them.)

mini-me

03-13-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Good point...

However, I think a cursory investigation was conducted as regards to the missing persons case with ML. And, as we know now, there was a lot of evidence (e.g., ATM withdrawal on 12/24 by male with rag), car found, cell phone found.. that would indicate something other than a missing persons case.

Agreed... all of this was after her murder (as far as we know). [/*]Why didn't LE go after the person in the ATM video. That's what LE did in the other case.

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I keep referring back to the "Key Dates" that were posted here
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2294047/
and then read elsewhere different dates on some.

My 'ol shoulder's are getting kinda tired :shrug: all the time. [/*]Ivy on that they give the date that the male tried to use the ATM but they didn't find out that date until January 8 I think. I also think the MC addressed that in their PC saying they did not find out this info until the 8 or 9.

Hope that helps.

baywench

03-13-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by mini-me
Why didn't LE go after the person in the ATM video. That's what LE did in the other case. [/*]

They did. It was CL. JMO

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Probable Cause warrant ... Interview of Durham (excerpt at bottom of page 7),

He also stated that Ms. Maria Lauterbach was in no shape for extended outings. He was concerned and did go to his command to report her as missing. The command confirmed Mr. (sic) Durham’s statements, but also stated that little was done on the military side and no official missing report was filed.

According to Mr. (sic) Durham, Warrant Officer Wright of the USMC 2MLG was notified of Ms. Lauterbach’s missing status. Attempts were made multiple times by JMoore E383 to contact Warrant Officer Wright of 2MLG thus far with no results. At the time of the report, the command had disbursed for holiday leave.

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf [/*]

I know it is "unpopular", (high schoolish as that may sound), but I still say investigators in both entities were busy with the holidays and a lot fell by the wayside... JMO.

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Ivy on that they give the date that the male tried to use the ATM but they didn't find out that date until January 8 I think. I also think the MC addressed that in their PC saying they did not find out this info until the 8 or 9.

Hope that helps. [/*]
You're right himan, I misread the post............sorry!

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by mini-me
Why didn't LE go after the person in the ATM video. That's what LE did in the other case. [/*]

yup, my point exactly, mini..

IvySterling

03-13-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

yup, my point exactly, mini.. [/*]
I'm confused by this question, and the answer.

When they reviewed the video they, the LE, determined it to be Cesar Armando Laurean.

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

You're right himan, I misread the post............sorry! [/*]I do it all the time(misread post).

Got me thinking it was 3 days later the Maria was found and CL went on the run. Just 3 days after that info was released.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:27 PM

IIRC, the LE detective in charge of this case back in December checked local hospitals, local ditches, and then went on holiday vacation.. with a note to his fellow investigators to contact him if they found anything....

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'm confused by this question, and the answer.

When they reviewed the video they, the LE, determined it to be Cesar Armando Laurean. [/*]no. they did not no who it was. They said the person had put a rag up over the camera and he they called him an unidentified male. So I don't think they new it was CL.

CanCan

03-13-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Don't forget "popular".

;)

Which is the part of the description I've never quite understood. [/*]

I had 2 possibilities.

1. Calling CL "popular" would provide ML with a reason as to why the Marines didn't believe her rape allegations. "Of COURSE they don't believe me, Mom. It's cuz Cesar is one of the POPULAR guys. He's got everybody on HIS side."

2. Maybe ML was a little starstruck that a popular Marine was attracted to her, and it was a little feather in her cap to report such to her mom.

jmo, of course

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
IIRC, the LE detective in charge of this case back in December checked local hospitals, local ditches, and then went on holiday vacation.. with a note to his fellow investigators to contact him if they found anything.... [/*]gaelic was it LE I thought that was the VA or someone doing the investigation of the rape.

baywench

03-13-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by hinman
no. they did not no who it was. They said the person had put a rag up over the camera and he they called him an unidentified male. So I don't think they new it was CL. [/*]

But Hinman didn't that all pretty much happen at the same time? They got the video back and very shortly afterward the note was CL was brought forth. JMO

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'm confused by this question, and the answer.

When they reviewed the video they, the LE, determined it to be Cesar Armando Laurean. [/*]

I think the point is that it took 2 weeks plus for LE to make this determination..

Maka

03-13-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Maka
I just heard back from the Montgomery County Ohio probate clerk's office about the first docket entry showing Maria had a will to deposit...it was an error in code entry and there is no will. I guess they'll update that to reflect that soon.

moo [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forgot to ask you Maka if you also mentioned the Date of Death was wrong also???? [/*]

Naw, I didn't.....I'm guessing it was on the d certificate. If it's written that way just to expedite for burial, there's always a chance the ME will file an amended certificate.

I'll work on a different way to get whatever documents are available about her dod. I have some foia/foipa requests in and I know some will be a long while coming, but I'll for sure let you all know when (probably more like IF) I get them.

I'm always amazed how some counties they scan & upload d. certs online and others don't.

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by baywench

But Hinman didn't that all pretty much happen at the same time? They got the video back and very shortly afterward the note was CL was brought forth. JMO [/*]Yes 3 days later CSL brought the note. It makes you realize how close it was.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by hinman
gaelic was it LE I thought that was the VA or someone doing the investigation of the rape. [/*]

Nope, I am talking about the OCSO detective.. they received the missing persons report on Dec 19.... the steps I listed above (i.e., checking hospitals, checking ditches) were pretty much all the steps he took in this investigation as far as I know.

JMO

CanCan

03-13-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

And again.....IF Lisa was correct on AC360 and Maria had gone off before, then he would have been looking out for her IMO.

....I thought he talked to Anne and she told him about her mother having a stern conversation with Maria earlier?????

That just rings a bell....

JMO tho [/*]

Weren't we trying to figure out the other day when exactly it was that DD learned of ML's stern phone conversation with her mom??

I bet you've got it, Candy - I bet that DD learned of this conversation from ANNE, not from Maria.

jmo

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:35 PM

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Yes 3 days later CSL brought the note. It makes you realize how close it was. [/*]

The problem is, as I see it, is that LE should have had those records by Dec 26 or 27, holiday or not. Instead, it was Jan 8, ironically the day after ML's mother and uncle arrived in town, that they actually looked at that stuff...

JMO

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:38 PM

I should add that banks are not closed from Christmas through New Year's. In fact, legally, banks can only close one work day of a week. JMO

edited to say a bank can't be closed more than 3 days, including weekend days

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:39 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-13-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by CanCan

I had 2 possibilities.

1. Calling CL "popular" would provide ML with a reason as to why the Marines didn't believe her rape allegations. "Of COURSE they don't believe me, Mom. It's cuz Cesar is one of the POPULAR guys. He's got everybody on HIS side."

2. Maybe ML was a little starstruck that a popular Marine was attracted to her, and it was a little feather in her cap to report such to her mom.

jmo, of course [/*]

IF Maria was bipolar, I would say all of that fits like a glove. JMO. ;)

I still think she was after everything I've read in the past six weeks.

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

The problem is, as I see it, is that LE should have had those records by Dec 26 or 27, holiday or not. Instead, it was Jan 8, ironically the day after ML's mother and uncle arrived in town, that they actually looked at that stuff...

JMO [/*]

I have never seen it work that fast in other cases.

It usually takes two or three weeks to obtain any tapes that a business may have or any records for that matter. Sometimes longer. It seems they moved rather quickly since there was two weekends and two holidays in there during this time.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Yes, I see some discrepancies too Ivy.

Sorry about your shoulders.

imoo [/*]

From Ivy's link:

Jan. 8 - Laurean is brought in for questioning as a witness, but he declines to answer and asks for an attorney.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2294047/

This is what I have thought all along, that he didn't have a private attorney until this time. Before this, the MC made attorneys available to him, but he did not have a MC attorney.

JMO

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:46 PM

mini-me

03-13-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

yup, my point exactly, mini.. [/*]Everything to me like it was so planted to make it look like she had disappeared. She talks to her Mother about going to the Xmas party and all of a sudden she can't take the marines anymore. Gets $700 out of ATM, buys bus ticket and is headed to El Paso. Give me a break she is 8 months. How can you on $700 and she wouldn't have life insurance etc. Thinking about El Paso her Mom could have told them whether they any relations there. I just don't understand how they did not even see beyond the note. I do not buy that it was Xmas and Mc was short handed. If a murder happen on MC base would they say we can't do nothing until after Xmas. The MC must always have someone in command. I've lived on a canadian military base and half the base got Xmas leave and the other half got New years leave.

Lynn Gweeny

03-13-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Nope, I am talking about the OCSO detective.. they received the missing persons report on Dec 19.... the steps I listed above (i.e., checking hospitals, checking ditches) were pretty much all the steps he took in this investigation as far as I know.

JMO [/*]

Bottom of page 7, page 8 of the Probable Cause SW:

JMoore E383 checked HWY 258, HWY 17, HWY 24 for vehicle in ditch, no vehicle found, no tow records, were found for matching vehicle to the missing subject. JMoore E383 checked with North Carolina State HWY Patrol to see if any vehicles matching the missing subjects vehicle had been stopped during the period from 12-14-2007 to 12-22-2007. No records were found.

Local hospitals were contacted, Pitt Memorial, Onslow Memorial, Craven Regional, New Hanover Medical center, Carteret General, Cape Fear Hospital, Norfolk Sentara, and Wake Med. Not one hospital reported traffic with the missing subject.

12-22-2007 through 12-29-2007 JMoore E383 was on leave. The radio room of the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office was appraised of the missing person status of Maria Lauterbach and was instructed to notify JMoore E383 even though on leave if any information developed.

12-31-2007 JMoore E383 returned to the STATS Unit. No new information had been obtained. A CD had arrived from Mary S. Lauterbach with a clear photo of Maria Lauterbach. The photo of Maria Lauterbach was loaded into the OSSI name file for Maria Lauterbach. On the date of 01-02-2008, JMoore E383 met with Detective David South of the Detective Unit of the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office. Information on the case is being forwarded to Chief Detective Donnie Worrell for further review. At this time, Ms. Maria Lauterbach remains in the status of missing. (01/02/2008 10:37, JMOORE, 165, OCSD)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From Ivy's link:

Jan. 8 - Laurean is brought in for questioning as a witness, but he declines to answer and asks for an attorney.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2294047/

This is what I have thought all along, that he didn't have a private attorney until this time. Before this, the MC made attorneys available to him, but he did not have a MC attorney.

JMO [/*] WOW that is the same day the ATM video was discovered.

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by mini-me
Everything to me like it was so planted to make it look like she had disappeared. She talks to her Mother about going to the Xmas party and all of a sudden she can't take the marines anymore. Gets $700 out of ATM, buys bus ticket and is headed to El Paso. Give me a break she is 8 months. How can you on $700 and she wouldn't have life insurance etc. Thinking about El Paso her Mom could have told them whether they any relations there. I just don't understand how they did not even see beyond the note. I do not buy that it was Xmas and Mc was short handed. If a murder happen on MC base would they say we can't do nothing until after Xmas. The MC must always have someone in command. I've lived on a canadian military base and half the base got Xmas leave and the other half got New years leave. [/*]

One of my top theories is that CL planned all of this, including the note left by ML. It is not clear to me whether CL coerced into coming to his house (as in lured) or forced her. But I agree with your sentiments...

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:50 PM

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Bottom of page 7, page 8 of the Probable Cause SW:

JMoore E383 checked HWY 258, HWY 17, HWY 24 for vehicle in ditch, no vehicle found, no tow records, were found for matching vehicle to the missing subject. JMoore E383 checked with North Carolina State HWY Patrol to see if any vehicles matching the missing subjects vehicle had been stopped during the period from 12-14-2007 to 12-22-2007. No records were found.

Local hospitals were contacted, Pitt Memorial, Onslow Memorial, Craven Regional, New Hanover Medical center, Carteret General, Cape Fear Hospital, Norfolk Sentara, and Wake Med. Not one hospital reported traffic with the missing subject.

12-22-2007 through 12-29-2007 JMoore E383 was on leave. The radio room of the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office was appraised of the missing person status of Maria Lauterbach and was instructed to notify JMoore E383 even though on leave if any information developed.

12-31-2007 JMoore E383 returned to the STATS Unit. No new information had been obtained. A CD had arrived from Mary S. Lauterbach with a clear photo of Maria Lauterbach. The photo of Maria Lauterbach was loaded into the OSSI name file for Maria Lauterbach. On the date of 01-02-2008, JMoore E383 met with Detective David South of the Detective Unit of the Onslow County Sheriff’s Office. Information on the case is being forwarded to Chief Detective Donnie Worrell for further review. At this time, Ms. Maria Lauterbach remains in the status of missing. (01/02/2008 10:37, JMOORE, 165, OCSD)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/lauterbachPDF.pdf [/*]

Thank you, Lynn.. as I remembered.. he checked ditches and hospitals, nothing more. he did not even check her residence that I can see!

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

From Ivy's link:

Jan. 8 - Laurean is brought in for questioning as a witness, but he declines to answer and asks for an attorney.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2294047/

This is what I have thought all along, that he didn't have a private attorney until this time. Before this, the MC made attorneys available to him, but he did not have a MC attorney.

JMO [/*]

Right, as far as I know he never had a military attorney.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by hinman
WOW that is the same day the tape was discovered. [/*]

what tape?

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

what tape? [/*]sorry ATM video. I have no idea why I said tape. I better try to edit that. I am back in the 60's

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by hinman
sorry ATM video. I have no idea why I said tape. I better try to edit that. I am back in the 60's [/*]

lol, no problem.. I thought there was new evidence I was unaware of!

(and I fully understand the techno-60s issue)

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:57 PM

I just want to post that I am so glad we have you as a links-person, Lynn.

I have a half-way decent memory.. but it really, really helps when you post links, because I don't save any of that stuff... so there is no way I can verify what I remember. But you always come to the rescue!

so thanks again!

GentleBreeze

03-13-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by hinman
WOW that is the same day the ATM video was discovered. [/*]

But when it first came out didn't they say it was an "unidentified male?"

LOL We had that debate for a week or more and still to this day it doesn't look like Laurean to me.

imoo

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:57 PM

The more I think about wasn't the ATM vidoe and the Lowes Video released at the same time?

gaelicpeas

03-13-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But when it first came out didn't they say it was an "unidentified male?"

LOL We had that debate for a week or more and still to this day it doesn't look like Laurean to me.

imoo [/*]

Yes, my memory is that it first came out as an unidentified male.

hinman

03-13-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But when it first came out didn't they say it was an "unidentified male?"

LOL We had that debate for a week or more and still to this day it doesn't look like Laurean to me.

imoo [/*]They did but I don't think we saw the video then. They were just talking about it.

If I remember correctly they didn't show us the video until they new it was CL.

IvySterling

03-14-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But when it first came out didn't they say it was an "unidentified male?"

LOL We had that debate for a week or more and still to this day it doesn't look like Laurean to me.

imoo [/*]
They sure did report "unidentified white male", and I AGREE, doesn't look like CAL to me either!

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by hinman
sorry ATM video. I have no idea why I said tape. I better try to edit that. I am back in the 60's [/*]

:D cuz I said tape....I look at it more like a surveillance tape of the ATM machine transactions lol.

Sorry for the tape mistake.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:01 AM

however, I really do think it was CL at the ATM.. his nose was an exact match. And I know there are reports about no tattoo, and that he looked too skinny, etc, etc..

But I spent a lot of time studying his tattoos.. and the angle of that picture.. and the lighting.... I am still convinced it was him, and if not him, then it was a brother who has the exact same nose.

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by hinman
They did but I don't think we saw the video then. They were just talking about it.

If I remember correctly they didn't show us the video until they new it was CL. [/*]

Ah, you are right and that was after Laurean was already gone.

Thanks for the reminder.

imoo

IvySterling

03-14-2008, 12:02 AM

Nite all :seeya:

hinman

03-14-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite all :seeya: [/*]:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by hinman
The more I think about wasn't the ATM vidoe and the Lowes Video released at the same time? [/*]

Oh my gosh.........it just all runs together in one big blur sometimes.

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by IvySterling
Nite all :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by IvySterling

They sure did report "unidentified white male", and I AGREE, doesn't look like CAL to me either! [/*]

Me three. I have always thought the guy was far too thin to be CL, but thought maybe, just maybe, his conscience was eating away at him.

Night Ivy!:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thank you, Lynn.. as I remembered.. he checked ditches and hospitals, nothing more. he did not even check her residence that I can see! [/*]

I know someone said that the MC went off base and went to her home to see if she was there and no one answered and her car wasn't there.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I know someone said that the MC went off base and went to her home to see if she was there and no one answered and her car wasn't there.

imoo [/*]

I'm going back and check the PC in the AM. :o

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Me three. I have always thought the guy was far too thin to be CL, but thought maybe, just maybe, his conscience was eating away at him.

Night Ivy!:seeya: [/*]

It sure doesn't look like him to me but maybe it is. I would hate to be a juror looking at it though. I honestly couldn't recognize him as the one in the shot.

imoo

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I'm going back and check the PC in the AM. :o [/*]

Do you remember that or am I just sleep deprived?:tongue:

imoo

CanCan

03-14-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But that is confusing to me Gaelic. The MC did enter her as missing at risk on 12-17 and Mary Lauterbach did not contact local LE until the 19th.:shrug:

imoo [/*]

And this has always freaked me out. As a mom, if my 8-months pregnant daughter was going to call me after a Christmas party and didn't - and if I then tried calling HER but her phone was turned off - and if her roomy said that my daughter had left a farewell note..............I would PULL THE ALARM THAT NIGHT. Not 5 days later.

Don't care what roomy says about possibly getting daughter into trouble. It's obvious that daughter is ALREADY in trouble!

jmo

Lynn Gweeny

03-14-2008, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I know someone said that the MC went off base and went to her home to see if she was there and no one answered and her car wasn't there.

imoo [/*]

On Monday, December 17, 2007 ... The command takes the extraordinary step of sending representatives to her residence to check to see if she is there. They knock on the door of Sgt Durham’s residence with no response. LCpl Lauterbach’s vehicle is not there. LCpl Lauterbach is entered into the administrative system in an Unauthorized Absence status. There is an elevated concern for her welfare because of the advanced stage of pregnancy. The command requests permission to list LCpl Lauterbach as a deserter in order to release a DD553 to apprehend her. This was an extraordinary step taken in hope of having her returned so the command could ensure she was receiving the proper medical care. Basically, with a DD553, federal resources could be used to assist in locating her.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-01-15-0028.html

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Do you remember that or am I just sleep deprived?:tongue:

imoo [/*]

I thought the USMC did a little more than they are being given credit for, but my hubby is getting a little impatient. So, I'm off to neverneverland!

:o jmo

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I thought the USMC did a little more than they are being given credit for, but my hubby is getting a little impatient. So, I'm off to neverneverland!

:o jmo [/*]

Good night, Candy:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

On Monday, December 17, 2007 ... The command takes the extraordinary step of sending representatives to her residence to check to see if she is there. They knock on the door of Sgt Durham’s residence with no response. LCpl Lauterbach’s vehicle is not there. LCpl Lauterbach is entered into the administrative system in an Unauthorized Absence status. There is an elevated concern for her welfare because of the advanced stage of pregnancy. The command requests permission to list LCpl Lauterbach as a deserter in order to release a DD553 to apprehend her. This was an extraordinary step taken in hope of having her returned so the command could ensure she was receiving the proper medical care. Basically, with a DD553, federal resources could be used to assist in locating her.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-01-15-0028.html [/*]

Thank you Lynn. I don't know what we would do without you.

I am so glad you are so outstanding when it comes to providing links when we need them.

imoo:seeya:

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I know someone said that the MC went off base and went to her home to see if she was there and no one answered and her car wasn't there.

imoo [/*]

yes, they went to her home on Dec 17.. but just to see if she was there.. no forensic evidence gathiering at all...

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

And this has always freaked me out. As a mom, if my 8-months pregnant daughter was going to call me after a Christmas party and didn't - and if I then tried calling HER but her phone was turned off - and if her roomy said that my daughter had left a farewell note..............I would PULL THE ALARM THAT NIGHT. Not 5 days later.

Don't care what roomy says about possibly getting daughter into trouble. It's obvious that daughter is ALREADY in trouble!

jmo [/*]

Right. If my child faithfully called me everyday up to a dozen times and it all just stopped and I couldn't reach them I would have reported them missing that day at least by that night.

imoo

CanCan

03-14-2008, 12:24 AM

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

And this has always freaked me out. As a mom, if my 8-months pregnant daughter was going to call me after a Christmas party and didn't - and if I then tried calling HER but her phone was turned off - and if her roomy said that my daughter had left a farewell note..............I would PULL THE ALARM THAT NIGHT. Not 5 days later.

Don't care what roomy says about possibly getting daughter into trouble. It's obvious that daughter is ALREADY in trouble!

jmo [/*]

Like I have said in several previous posts, CanCan.. ML's mother did try to make contact.. she was told to stay home as the MC thought ML was heading to Ohio....

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

On Monday, December 17, 2007 ... The command takes the extraordinary step of sending representatives to her residence to check to see if she is there. They knock on the door of Sgt Durham’s residence with no response. LCpl Lauterbach’s vehicle is not there. LCpl Lauterbach is entered into the administrative system in an Unauthorized Absence status. There is an elevated concern for her welfare because of the advanced stage of pregnancy. The command requests permission to list LCpl Lauterbach as a deserter in order to release a DD553 to apprehend her. This was an extraordinary step taken in hope of having her returned so the command could ensure she was receiving the proper medical care. Basically, with a DD553, federal resources could be used to assist in locating her.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-01-15-0028.html [/*]

This was the best evidence of a CYA in that whole MC PC.. the "extraordinary step" of checking her residence .. sheesh.. JMO..

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

yes, they went to her home on Dec 17.. but just to see if she was there.. no forensic evidence gathering at all... [/*]

forensics? She left a note saying she was leaving......why would the MC do forensics? They have no jurisdiction off base. :confused:

She was just UA like other military personnel are known to be at times. Even DD thought she had gone off somewhere and would return.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

forensics? She left a note saying she was leaving......why would the MC do forensics? They have no jurisdiction off base. :confused:

She was just UA like other military personnel are known to be at times. Even DD thought she had gone off somewhere and would return.

imoo [/*]

An 8-month pregnant marine with a rape case up for an article 32 or whatever it's called in the next few days goes missing and you don't investigate further?

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

This was the best evidence of a CYA in that whole MC PC.. the "extraordinary step" of checking her residence .. sheesh.. JMO.. [/*]

Whether you like it or not it was an extraordinary step for the military. Maria left the note that she was leaving at a home off base. When anything happens off base the MC does not have to go check on someone who lives off base. They did not abandon her she abandoned them when she decided she wanted nothing to do with the Corps anymore.

I do think they were trying to cover Maria's butt by hoping she was there and had a good reason for being UA.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:34 AM

Like I said before.. if all it takes is for a "note" to be left by a victim to assume that nothing else has occurred.. then we are in a sad state of affairs as far as criminall investigation goes....

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

An 8-month pregnant marine with a rape case up for an article 32 or whatever it's called in the next few days goes missing and you don't investigate further? [/*]

The very upcoming testimony may have been one of the many reasons for going UA.

Everything they had pointed in the direction that she had left on her own free will due to the extreme pressure she had in her professional and personal life.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:37 AM

I am sorry.. that is like 3rd grade or something.. la la.. let me just write a note saying I left the country, killed myself or whatever.

Sorry, I don't buy that.

And I would think any reputable LE detective would not buy it either. In a real world...

mini-me

03-14-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

forensics? She left a note saying she was leaving......why would the MC do forensics? They have no jurisdiction off base. :confused:

She was just UA like other military personnel are known to be at times. Even DD thought she had gone off somewhere and would return.

imoo [/*]Then why did they have the right to go in a house that was off base and take her things?

baywench

03-14-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Whether you like it or not it was an extraordinary step for the military. Maria left the note that she was leaving at a home off base. When anything happens off base the MC does not have to go check on someone who lives off base. They did not abandon her she abandoned them when she decided she wanted nothing to do with the Corps anymore.

I do think they were trying to cover Maria's butt by hoping she was there and had a good reason for being UA.

imoo [/*]

ITA...this is the military folks. THey don't baby marines. THey don't check on every missing marine until they are UA and even then it takes awhile. Also, I was thinking, if DD knew ML so well and knew about CL why would he be telling her mother not to report her missing because she could get in trouble? Why didn't his alarm bells go off? I think he didn't know IMO

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
Like I said before.. if all it takes is for a "note" to be left by a victim to assume that nothing else has occurred.. then we are in a sad state of affairs as far as criminally investigation goes.... [/*]

You are trying to compartmentalize just the note.

It was much more than the note and we do not know what else the MC has in her file that added even more to the belief she had become a deserter on her own free will.

imoo

CanCan

03-14-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by hinman
sorry ATM video. I have no idea why I said tape. I better try to edit that. I am back in the 60's [/*]

:lol: groovy

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by baywench

ITA...this is the military folks. THey don't baby marines. THey don't check on every missing marine until they are UA and even then it takes awhile. Also, I was thinking, if DD knew ML so well and knew about CL why would he be telling her mother not to report her missing because she could get in trouble? Why didn't his alarm bells go off? I think he didn't know IMO [/*]

we aren't just talking about any Marine. We are talking about an 8 month pregnant Marine who has accused another Marine of rape.

Lynn Gweeny

03-14-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

You are trying to compartmentalize just the note.

It was much more than the note and we do not know what else the MC has in her file that added even more to the belief she had become a deserter on her own free will.

imoo [/*]

Dec. 18 — The section OIC calls Lauterbach’s mother to notify her of her daughter’s absence. Mother states Durham notified her on Dec. 14 of Lauterbach’s absence and that had been the date she last spoke to her daughter. Mother stated she didn’t know where she was and didn’t have reasons why she may have left.
-- Mother files a missing person report locally in Ohio. Command is not aware of this.
-- Command determines Lauterbach has voluntarily placed herself in an unauthorized absence status. The determination is based on the note left behind and items taken.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by baywench

ITA...this is the military folks. THey don't baby marines. THey don't check on every missing marine until they are UA and even then it takes awhile. Also, I was thinking, if DD knew ML so well and knew about CL why would he be telling her mother not to report her missing because she could get in trouble? Why didn't his alarm bells go off? I think he didn't know IMO [/*]

Hmm good catch, bay.

I totally agree.........it sure seems he knew nothing about any of it.

She was just a renter to him imo. Someone who needed a place to hang for awhile and he needed someone to do the same while he went to California for training.

It was just a deal that worked for both of them at the time.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

You are trying to compartmentalize just the note.

It was much more than the note and we do not know what else the MC has in her file that added even more to the belief she had become a deserter on her own free will.

imoo [/*]

I am not trying to compartmentalize the note.. the NCIS is.. that is their whole basis for not pursuing this case further...

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Dec. 18 — The section OIC calls Lauterbach’s mother to notify her of her daughter’s absence. Mother states Durham notified her on Dec. 14 of Lauterbach’s absence and that had been the date she last spoke to her daughter. Mother stated she didn’t know where she was and didn’t have reasons why she may have left.
-- Mother files a missing person report locally in Ohio. Command is not aware of this.
-- Command determines Lauterbach has voluntarily placed herself in an unauthorized absence status. The determination is based on the note left behind and items taken.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html [/*]

thank you as always, Lynn..... nice to have a voice of reason with links!

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Dec. 18 — The section OIC calls Lauterbach’s mother to notify her of her daughter’s absence. Mother states Durham notified her on Dec. 14 of Lauterbach’s absence and that had been the date she last spoke to her daughter. Mother stated she didn’t know where she was and didn’t have reasons why she may have left.
-- Mother files a missing person report locally in Ohio. Command is not aware of this.
-- Command determines Lauterbach has voluntarily placed herself in an unauthorized absence status. The determination is based on the note left behind and items taken.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/map_54317___article.html/_.html [/*]

Right...........not only the note was left but she took personal items when she left.

imoo

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

I am not trying to compartmentalize the note.. the NCIS is.. that is their whole basis for not pursuing this case further... [/*]

And she also took her personal items with her.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Hmm good catch, bay.

I totally agree.........it sure seems he knew nothing about any of it.

She was just a renter to him imo. Someone who needed a place to hang for awhile and he needed someone to do the same while he went to California for training.

It was just a deal that worked for both of them at the time.

imoo [/*]

we really don't know what their relationship was. I agree, it was most likely a landlord/tenant relationship.. but we really don't know. JMO

hinman

03-14-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

we really don't know what their relationship was. I agree, it was most likely a landlord/tenant relationship.. but we really don't know. JMO [/*]Their seems to be conflicting reports which is common in this case.
We just don't know.

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

And she also took her personal items with her.

imoo [/*]

hmm, ok.. and your point? I really don't know what she took with her.. and I don't think any of us know. She could have taken 3/4 of her possessions.. or she could have taken an overnight's bag of stuff.. who knows...

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

we aren't just talking about any Marine. We are talking about an 8 month pregnant Marine who has accused another Marine of rape. [/*]

Well the entire rape thing was very iffy......even the MC said Maria had made inconsistent statements.

So as her testimony neared where she would have to swear under oath certainly could give her reason to leave especially if she feared discharge as was mentioned. Her own uncle said Maria wanted to drop the case about a week before she went missing.

imoo

CanCan

03-14-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Hmm good catch, bay.

I totally agree.........it sure seems he knew nothing about any of it.

She was just a renter to him imo. Someone who needed a place to hang for awhile and he needed someone to do the same while he went to California for training.

It was just a deal that worked for both of them at the time.

imoo [/*]

And I totally agree with you, Gentle. I envision Maria spending her time at DD's in her room, interacting with him hardly at all.

jmo

Lynn Gweeny

03-14-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

I could just hug you.

Exactly!!!!

The room-mate tells her mother not to report her or else she'd be in trouble. There is no report for 5 days.

She'd told ppl she was leaving the marines.

Really, the marines are not babysitters, no, not even to 7-8 month pregnant marines. [/*]

The dates in question were addressed earlier. Mary Lauterbach notified the Marine Corps the next working day, Dec. 17th.

Sgt. Durham calls Mary the evening of 12/14 after she gets home from work to tell her Maria is 'gone'. Immediately, she started calling Maria's cellphone and it was turned off. She began the contact with the Marines on the following workday, December 17th when she realized that when someone is on an unauthorized absence status, the Marines don't start checking on people until they are formally in deserter status. The next day, there was no word from anyone, so she contacted OCSD who told her to contact her local Vidalia LE for proper identification and that's where she filed the Missing Person Report on that Tuesday, the 18th of December and they contacted OCSD.

http://tinyurl.com/3af75v

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Well the entire rape thing was very iffy......even the MC said Maria had made inconsistent statements.

So as her testimony neared where she would have to swear under oath certainly could give her reason to leave especially if she feared discharge as was mentioned. Her own uncle said Maria wanted to drop the case about a week before she went missing.

imoo [/*]

yeah.. so she decided to just leave it all.. but somehow her "alledged" father of her baby decided to off her?

hinman

03-14-2008, 12:52 AM

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

hmm, ok.. and your point? I really don't know what she took with her.. and I don't think any of us know. She could have taken 3/4 of her possessions.. or she could have taken an overnight's bag of stuff.. who knows... [/*]

Since DD noticed them missing I am sure he has listed some of her personal items that were missing.

They can also interview her old barricks roommate and ask them what she wore most often when she wasn't in her cammies.

I bet she left all of her cammies and other uniforms there in DDs home. She wouldn't need them anymore.

imoo

CanCan

03-14-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Like I have said in several previous posts, CanCan.. ML's mother did try to make contact.. she was told to stay home as the MC thought ML was heading to Ohio.... [/*]

I guess I meant I would file a Missing Persons Report that very night.

jmo

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

yeah.. so she decided to just leave it all.. but somehow her "alledged" father of her baby decided to off her? [/*]

Well first the DA and LE must know why she came to Laurean's home in the first place that day on her own free will knowing he would be there alone.

I think they have found that answer by now.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Since DD noticed them missing I am sure he has listed some of her personal items that were missing.

They can also interview her old barricks roommate and ask them what she wore most often when she wasn't in her cammies.

I bet she left all of her cammies and other uniforms there in DDs home. She wouldn't need them anymore.

imoo [/*]

That's a big if, Gentle. We have no info on what she left as far as her possessions.

BarbraAllen

03-14-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Well then I must be weird, because I seriously thought this woman was doomed from the moment it hit the news. Missing, accused fellow Marine of rape... um.. in my mind it was like DOH. [/*]

That was my reaction too, gaelicpeas, almost exactly. I remember walking through a room and the tv news was on, they showed her picture, the one where she's smiling and has the long hair. When I heard the few details, my immediate thought was that she was no longer alive.

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

I guess I meant I would file a Missing Persons Report that very night.

jmo [/*]

Actually, I do believe ML's mother tried to do exactly that..

and was told by Durham to wait a few days..

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

I guess I meant I would file a Missing Persons Report that very night.

jmo [/*]

Yes, I would have too and no one could tell me to stay put either. The next day I would be eyeball to eyeball with SB and the MC reps and doing searches myself for my daughter. I would be calling every friend she had ever mentioned that she knew up there.

imoo

hinman

03-14-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Actually, I do believe ML's mother tried to do exactly that..

and was told by Durham to wait a few days.. [/*]I think she was hopping Maria would show up on her doorstep and when she didn't that is when she began contact with the marines when Maria didn't show up.

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

That's a big if, Gentle. We have no info on what she left as far as her possessions. [/*]

I don't think it is an if at all. DD said that she took personal items. I have no reason to believe this man has lied about anything.

The MC believed him and so did SB.

imoo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:05 AM

from all the reports that I can remember.. ML's mother was concerned on Dec 14 about her daughter being gone. Durham suggested she wait a couple of days... which she did. Then she tried to get an answer from the MC.. who said they had to wait until Mon, Dec 17, to declare her UA. She then went to local LE, in Ohio, and filed a missing persons report.

GentleBreeze

03-14-2008, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

STOP THE PRESSES.

That's it right there. [/*]

So at first Mary Lauterbach never mentioned that she thought Maria had met with foul play.

That is how I had remembered it and I am glad Lynn put the link up.

imoo

hinman

03-14-2008, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't think it is an if at all. DD said that she took personal items. I have no reason to believe this man has lied about anything.

The MC believed him and so did SB.

imoo [/*]I don't think he lied either, But I wanted to point out that he was a person of interest there for a minute.

I doubt it was because he lied though since JB said that he thought Durham new some things or had more info.

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
from all the reports that I can remember.. ML's mother was concerned on Dec 14 about her daughter being gone. Durham suggested she wait a couple of days... which she did. Then she tried to get an answer from the MC.. who said they had to wait until Mon, Dec 17, to declare her UA. She then went to local LE, in Ohio, and filed a missing persons report. [/*]

As I said in my original post........I wouldn't have waited a couple of days, no matter what the roomy said.

I would have been on the next plane to NC.

jmo

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't think it is an if at all. DD said that she took personal items. I have no reason to believe this man has lied about anything.

The MC believed him and so did SB.

imoo [/*]

I don't have a link, so I will just say it is MO. My recollection is that Durham said ML took a few items.. certainly not enough for an extended stay. But like I said, it is JMO.. I have no link.

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Who would have done that, really?

Would you not have been there as soon as you could possibly get there? [/*]

With or without my toothbrush.

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:13 AM

(just as a note) ML's mother was told to stay in Ohio as they thought ML might show up there...

Maka

03-14-2008, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Actually, I do believe ML's mother tried to do exactly that..

and was told by Durham to wait a few days.. [/*]

If someone said that to me, my first thought would be...What did this person do with my child? Are they asking me to wait to delay finding my child so they can have a few days to cover their tracks?

But, that's just me.......

hinman

03-14-2008, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by dave sargent

:tongue:

Hiya Hinman.Seeing your post made me smile == NOT ABOUT THE CONTENT == [/*]You know when I posted that I thought of you.:D

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:24 AM

The problem is.. we have a pregnant woman dead. And this pregnant woman accused this man of rape. And then this woman is found buried in his backyard, and this man is on the lam.

I am sorry.... but that evidence pretty much speaks for itself.

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Immediately after my daughter told me she was raped, and had been struck in the face, etc. You could not have kept me away from there, dragging a local newspaper person with me to get some interest in the story and her face out in the news. [/*]
Never heard of a rape victim's mother broadcasting her image on the news. I would think her privacy would be the utmost concern, not the media's interest in her story.

Geez.

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
The problem is.. we have a pregnant woman dead. And this pregnant woman accused this man of rape. And then this woman is found buried in his backyard, and this man is on the lam.

I am sorry.... but that evidence pretty much speaks for itself. [/*]If nothing else, it screams SUSPICION.

gaelicpeas

03-14-2008, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by alter ego
If nothing else, it s

creams SSPICION. [/*]

suspicion? um yeah..

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by hinman
I think she was hopping Maria would show up on her doorstep and when she didn't that is when she began contact with the marines when Maria didn't show up. [/*]I agree.

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

suspicion? um yeah.. [/*]

absolutely.

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

And that's just me too. And calling the cops to go pay him a very thorough visit in the couple hours it will take me to get there. [/*]

Exactly. Not one second wasted.

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas
(just as a note) ML's mother was told to stay in Ohio as they thought ML might show up there... [/*]

My POV is that there are plenty of people who could have stayed home in Ohio to wait for Maria, her dad, for one. Me? The mom?? I'm on the first plane to NC.

jmo

hinman

03-14-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

My POV is that there are plenty of people who could have stayed home in Ohio to wait for Maria, her dad, for one. Me? The mom?? I'm on the first plane to NC.

jmo [/*]I bet she wishes she could redo it all. Get on a plane not make certain statements.

I bet she never thought it would turn out like this.

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

Exactly. Not one second wasted. [/*]Except the cops aren't going to pay someone "a very thorough visit" just because the mother of missing person tells them to :shrug:

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by hinman
I bet she wishes she could redo it all. Get on a plane not make certain statements.

I bet she never thought it would turn out like this. [/*]

Oh, absolutely, hinman. The poor, heartbroken woman.

jmo

alter ego

03-14-2008, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by hinman
I bet she wishes she could redo it all. Get on a plane not make certain statements.

I bet she never thought it would turn out like this. [/*]
I bet you're right.

CanCan

03-14-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by alter ego
Except the cops aren't going to pay someone "a very thorough visit" just because the mother of missing person tells them to :shrug: [/*]

I don't know about that, alter. A mother in a state of desperation can be pretty convincing, imo.

Mimi428

03-14-2008, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

One of my top theories is that CL planned all of this, including the note left by ML. It is not clear to me whether CL coerced into coming to his house (as in lured) or forced her. But I agree with your sentiments... [/*]

Mine too.

All Cesar would have had to do is show up & threaten to harm the fetus & I believe she would have done ANYTHING he said. Write the note, get some clothes & toiletries, go to the ATM, you-name-it.

I believe Cesar had help doing it, too - not necessarily in the form of Christina, but another male.

I think Cesar is a schemer, is devious, knew how & when to turn it on & turn it off. I believe he is very adept at knowing how to kiss UP and kick DOWN. He made sure he kissed up to his military superiors. May have rankled him to do so & it would not surprise me to learn that he is akin to Dianne Downs in thinking he is smarter than just about everyone he comes into contact with. Would also not surprise me to find out that he seethed from all the kissing up he had to do at work & that he took out that frustration by kicking down on people like Christina & Maria.

JMNVHO

alter ego

03-14-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

I don't know about that, alter. A mother in a state of desperation can be pretty convincing, imo. [/*]
Sure they can, but not to the point they dictate LE's actions in an investigation. The headlines are often times full of stories of mothers desperate for answers.

Fathers too.

It's heartbreaking.

alter ego

03-14-2008, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by dave sargent

Regarding Paternity, It will be determined by Science and "WE" will have to accept whatever that determination is moo.

IF this case were to go to Trial, there will likely be "Expert Testimony" that contradicts the age and conception date of the other Party moo.

I think the same Posters would still be here arguing the Same info. Even if CL isnt the Father and/or the Baby was conceived 4/10 as ML reported was the night of the Rape/Sexual Assault moo. Different interests have a way of dividing the differing individuals :patriot: Bottom line is we all want Justice for Maria and Her Precious Baby [/*]

Bottom Line :patriot:

Mimi428

03-14-2008, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

I don't have a link, so I will just say it is MO. My recollection is that Durham said ML took a few items.. certainly not enough for an extended stay. But like I said, it is JMO.. I have no link. [/*]

That is my recollection also. Durham said something along the lines of Maria being in NO CONDITION to be making an extended outing.

I also agree with you completely that people with evil intentions could find it very encouraging to know that all they have to do is convince a crime victim to write a note saying "I can't take it anymore", get a bag packed for them, move their car & hey, LE will say 'gee, I guess this person just left on her own.'

JMO

Jan Powell

03-14-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here it is GB:

In mid-December, my family received the news that Maria had gone missing.

Reports were sketchy, but apparently he had been set to testify as a witness in some legal matter, had abruptly recanted her testimony left a note on the door of her apartment saying she just needed to get away, and disappeared.

It wasn't until this week that we found out that she was pregnant and that she had accused a fellow Marine of rape.
http://all-seaming-eye.livejournal.com/16852.html [/*]

I read this yesterday (I think) and thought this was unusual wording.

As an after thought it also made me do some searching to see if there were any articles that indicated when her Mom and family were told by Maria she was pregnant, and I've missed the article?

I've always thought (apparently with no proof) that her Mom knew since June when Maria found out. That now makes me wonder what and how her Mom knew anything about her pregnancy and expected delivery date.

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by Mimi428

That is my recollection also. Durham said something along the lines of Maria being in NO CONDITION to be making an extended outing.

I also agree with you completely that people with evil intentions could find it very encouraging to know that all they have to do is convince a crime victim to write a note saying "I can't take it anymore", get a bag packed for them, move their car & hey, LE will say 'gee, I guess this person just left on her own.'

JMO [/*]

Please don't forget to include the not so credible history in there. Based only on what we know, she was a candidate for something like running off IMNSHO. :shrug:

I think we have a case of a family hoping for the USMC to fix their trauma and when it all blew up, then they want to blame it on the USMC.

JMO.:no:

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

The very upcoming testimony may have been one of the many reasons for going UA.

Everything they had pointed in the direction that she had left on her own free will due to the extreme pressure she had in her professional and personal life.

imoo [/*]

Especially if you are the slightest bit leaning toward believing Uncle Pete when he tells you she dropped the allegations or tried to anyway.

JMO.:(

FEAR was removed from the equation when Maria went to see Cesar at his home. She had accused him of RAPE, so why on earth would a home visit be a thought?

CANDYKISSES

03-14-2008, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

She sure enough did. And left the note.

And, as you say, there is sure to be a lot of things that WE don't know (and shouldn't).

The family thought she'd taken off.

The room-mate says not to report it.

Nothing is reported for 5 days.

Anyone want to explain to me, please, how that is the fault of the marines? :confused:

TIA [/*]

I don't see how anyone can blame the USMC for this one.

JMO:patriot:

henry

03-14-2008, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I wondered that too when I read that. Was she hiding her preg for family, but not her mom? Maybe this relative with the blog just wasn't in the "inner circel" of ppl who knew she was pregnant. I certainly don't beleive "we all were surprised" to learn sjhe was preg- I know the mom knew- JMO [/*]

imo . . . good news spreads fast within a family . . . bad news takes a bit longer (& sometimes never) . . . except for maria's and gabriel's untimely death, unfortunately. i always questioned whether he was that close after he moved away, and now acknowledging his problem might have also contributed to his unawareness :shrug: