Discussion - March 12th.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
Wow, desmom - I got answers to what I've been wondering! Thanks!
"The booklet also points out that being a missing person is not a crime, and once the person is located, police cannot divulge information about them without the person’s consent."
http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=4010


[/*]

And that answers the question we had last night, would LE tell CF if they found NF and he didn't want her to know.
Now I'm wondering if maybe that is the reason they 'scaled back' the investigation? LE maybe know something that they can't tell CF.
That would be horrible for her. :(

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally posted by Oregongal


And that answers the question we had last night, would LE tell CF if they found NF and he didn't want her to know.
Now I'm wondering if maybe that is the reason they 'scaled back' the investigation? LE maybe know something that they can't tell CF.
That would be horrible for her. :( [/*]

it sure would. I wouldn't wish that on anyone

[desmom]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
yah, would that apply to the wife as well - not divulging his whereabouts? I assume so???

maybe he does know this fact and he is already located. and we will never know:)

[/*]

IMO, if he had been found and requested his whereabouts not be revealed, LE would announce the investigation is closed and AMW would take his picture off their website.

jmo

[n/t]

Originally posted by KKKKKKatie


good questions :shrug:

I sure would like to know what he searched on his computer [/*]

It seems the laptop is very valuable to him. He wore it like a wedding ring or something like that (from the missing poster).

I think that laptop holds a lot of clues to what may have happened to him. It's missing and so is Nicholas.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Oregongal


And that answers the question we had last night, would LE tell CF if they found NF and he didn't want her to know.
Now I'm wondering if maybe that is the reason they 'scaled back' the investigation? LE maybe know something that they can't tell CF.
That would be horrible for her. :( [/*]

I think that would be so cruel - there ought to be a law against that when people are married and have children together.

[wondering?]

Mars Hill leaders said in forum postings that one fired pastor was removed, in part, for "displaying an unhealthy distrust in the senior leadership."

This brings back bad memories. One time I received a not so good job evaluation because my boss said that I displayed a distrust of her leadership!
This was because I questioned some of her not so truthful dealings!

Didn't get fired but it could have, I guess!Luckily I had the backing of her boss!!!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by desmom


IMO, if he had been found and requested his whereabouts not be revealed, LE would announce the investigation is closed and AMW would take his picture off their website.

jmo [/*]

Good point!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


It seems the laptop is very valuable to him. He wore it like a wedding ring or something like that (from the missing poster).

I think that laptop holds a lot of clues to what may have happened to him. It's missing and so is Nicholas. [/*]

Maybe someone knocked him in the head for his "bag", and he is wandering around not knowing who he is. There was a story recently about a man who wandered into a store with no memory of who he was. His family had no idea where he was.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by appledipper
please pm me too if possible soyesterday. I know I don't post often, but I've been reading what everyone has to say. Thank you.


[/*]
I'm back.....
i'm sending u one....

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by cteall
Me too soyesterday.....please count me in!

[/*]

ok

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by appledipper


When a poster jumps in to stir things up it makes me wonder what the real purpose of them posting here is... Maybe I'm being overly suspicious... [/*]

I'm especially curious when it's someone who is new to the boards just since this case started (of course, that would include me and a lot of us).

Someone who has been around for months, I'd be less likely to think they are here specifically to stir things up. Though there was at least one pre-Nicholas board member I think, who has since been banned.

I've even wondered if family members, friends, or even Christine herself might post on this board. Anything is possible.

[mxma30]

Originally posted by n/t


I wonder what happens if children are involved though. He has 2 kids to support. Would that still apply? [/*]

Only if she took him to court for child support. But then the court would send documentation to his place of residence to appear in court, which he would never get obviously since he is not there.. and then a warrant would be put out for his arrest for not appearing.

I think she should take this action regardless of knowing where he is or not.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by desmom


IMO, if he had been found and requested his whereabouts not be revealed, LE would announce the investigation is closed and AMW would take his picture off their website.

jmo [/*]

LE would put out a notice so all missing sites would remove a missing person that had been located. If they didn't do so they would continue to get calls on the case. Same as they did for the Chinese lady that went missing... They reported she had been located, but did not want to let anyone know where she was at this time.

[huskiki]

Hi guys, I'm on my way out but I'm posting this link. Maybe one of you guys can find Nicholas's membership here. The message says he's a member.

http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/messages/2148909/

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki
Hi guys, I'm on my way out but I'm posting this link. Maybe one of you guys can find Nicholas's membership here. The message says he's a member.

http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/messages/2148909/ [/*]

Good find huskiki. Maybe there are other sites like these that may bring in tips or clues.

:seeya:

[desmom]

IMO, from the above links I think I understand why someone would resign from MH church especially if they had been raised in the Catholic church.

NF was promoted to Art Director last year, but had not received a pay raise. Publicis posts an ad for new employees in early February. I have seen more than one company hire in new employees for more $$ than they were paying their current employees with several years of service. If this is the case, how would NF respond?

Then Publicis turns around lays people off in March.

Does anyone else find this confusing? It is almost like one hand does not know what the other hand is doing.

jmo

[flyingfox]

not sure if this link has been posted before, but NF really seems to care about CF

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicora/1807404358/

[field of snow]

Originally posted by huskiki
Hi guys, I'm on my way out but I'm posting this link. Maybe one of you guys can find Nicholas's membership here. The message says he's a member.

http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/messages/2148909/ [/*]

I quickly went through their members and didn't see him, but I could have missed it. I know that the Meetups i've been to, not everyone is signed up online, as they find out word of mouth.

I do wonder if he went to the meetup on Feb 11 though?
http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/calendar/7060029/

[desmom]

Originally posted by field of snow


I quickly went through their members and didn't see him, but I could have missed it. I know that the Meetups i've been to, not everyone is signed up online, as they find out word of mouth.

I do wonder if he went to the meetup on Feb 11 though?
http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/calendar/7060029/ [/*]

I didn't see his name either. :shrug:

[mxma30]

Originally posted by field of snow


I quickly went through their members and didn't see him, but I could have missed it. I know that the Meetups i've been to, not everyone is signed up online, as they find out word of mouth.

I do wonder if he went to the meetup on Feb 11 though?
http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/calendar/7060029/ [/*]

no he was not listed. CF may have deleted this profile as well as the others she knew about

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom
IMO, from the above links I think I understand why someone would resign from MH church especially if they had been raised in the Catholic church.

NF was promoted to Art Director last year, but had not received a pay raise. Publicis posts an ad for new employees in early February. I have seen more than one company hire in new employees for more $$ than they were paying their current employees with several years of service. If this is the case, how would NF respond?

Then Publicis turns around lays people off in March.

Does anyone else find this confusing? It is almost like one hand does not know what the other hand is doing.

jmo [/*]

Very confusing but not surprising. I'm not familiar with Publicis but I've known people who have worked for large corporations who thought they had job security only to find out via news reports or word of mouth that their job was going to be abolished.

I think I'd be devestated especially if I had a wife, 2 kids and another on the way.

Not saying that's the case here because from everything we've read, Publicis has been very supportive including hiring their own PI and continuing to pay his salary. :shrug:

[n/t]

Originally posted by flyingfox
not sure if this link has been posted before, but NF really seems to care about CF

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicora/1807404358/ [/*]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Nicholas take some of those photos? I clicked on his name and there are photo shots near Mt. St. Helens and this is the caption:

Panoramic of the ball-freezing cold Iron Creek (it's fed by a glacier). Near Mt. St. Helens. The two teen boys in the shot actually swam across it...haha. View at largest size


http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/2120544957/in/set-72157601408007004/


So, I don't understand Christine's comment about the camera. Looks like Nicholas was also a picture taker.

[n/t]

Originally posted by mxma30


no he was not listed. CF may have deleted this profile as well as the others she knew about [/*]

Personally, I think that's a wrong thing to do especially if there were chats/messages involved. It could bring in clues or tips.

IMO!

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow


I quickly went through their members and didn't see him, but I could have missed it. I know that the Meetups i've been to, not everyone is signed up online, as they find out word of mouth.

I do wonder if he went to the meetup on Feb 11 though?
http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/calendar/7060029/ [/*]

I wonder. Hope someone who attended could confirm that with authorities.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by n/t


Correct me if I'm wrong. Did Nicholas take some of those photos? I clicked on his name and there are photo shots near Mt. St. Helens and this is the caption:

Panoramic of the ball-freezing cold Iron Creek (it's fed by a glacier). Near Mt. St. Helens. The two teen boys in the shot actually swam across it...haha. View at largest size


http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/2120544957/in/set-72157601408007004/


So, I don't understand Christine's comment about the camera. Looks like Nicholas was also a picture taker. [/*]

I think my comment yesterday was something like "That's Christine being Christine." Field of Snow, I think it was, already pointed out that the photos Nicholas took were from a different camera than the ones she took (there is a way to tell the camera on the flickr page).

Certainly he can call himself a photographer too. It just seems like, as talented as Christine is as things, she either has very low self-esteem to say something like that, or a lot of ego (but often the 2 go hand-in-hand). She did complete a 2-year program at the Art Institute in photography and design I think (one was a minor, I forget which). It was on her myspace.

Or you know, maybe I am reading too much into that statement -- maybe in fact, Nicholas himself used to say humbly and adoringly to her "Oh no, Bella, YOU'RE the photographer of the family" whenever she praised him for the great photos he took?

[n/t]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I think my comment yesterday was something like "That's Christine being Christine." Field of Snow, I think it was, already pointed out that the photos Nicholas took were from a different camera than the ones she took (there is a way to tell the camera on the flickr page).

Certainly he can call himself a photographer too. It just seems like, as talented as Christine is as things, she either has very low self-esteem to say something like that, or a lot of ego (but often the 2 go hand-in-hand). She did have a 2-year art degree in photography or design (one was a minor, I forget which).

Or you know, maybe I am reading too much into that statement -- maybe in fact, Nicholas used to say humbly and adoringly to her "Oh no, Bella, YOU'RE the photographer of the family" whenever she praised him for the great photos he took? [/*]


Do you know why the camera was brought up by posters on this board or WS and why Christine replied to it? Darn work :hammer: gets in the way of my following this case so I miss some posts.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by n/t



Do you know why the camera was brought up by posters on this board or WS and why Christine replied to it? Darn work :hammer: gets in the way of my following this case so I miss some posts. [/*]

I wondered why it was brought up too. Unless someone thought it might have been something a thief would have wanted, or tried to sell or something?

[ThruTheTrees]

www.thefranciscos.com

No More Public Info…

Nicholas did not run out on us. I know that even if you all don’t.

Thank you to those one Web Sleuths and In Session that see things differently than those with a slandering tunnel vision.

Get the Facts….

Questions were asked and I answered but my answers didn’t seem to be good enough and were called lies. I did not lie to anyone. So I will no longer provide information about the case to crime boards. thank you to those who took the info that i gave you and tried to help and it’s too bad that others made it so no matter what I say or do it’s wrong. I do not answer to any of you. I answer to God and God only.

I will never stop searching for Nicholas.

For those of you not involved in the crime boards and who would like info please contact me.

[n/t]

Also very interesting was Nicholas comment:

Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

nfrancisco says:
nice joe, that gives me a good idea for a christmas gift, of my wife's photos, in her own book


"her own book".


Anybody know what he means by "book"? :o

[n/t]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
www.thefranciscos.com

No More Public Info…

Nicholas did not run out on us. I know that even if you all don’t.

Thank you to those one Web Sleuths and In Session that see things differently than those with a slandering tunnel vision.

Get the Facts….

Questions were asked and I answered but my answers didn’t seem to be good enough and were called lies. I did not lie to anyone. So I will no longer provide information about the case to crime boards. thank you to those who took the info that i gave you and tried to help and it’s too bad that others made it so no matter what I say or do it’s wrong. I do not answer to any of you. I answer to God and God only.

I will never stop searching for Nicholas.

For those of you not involved in the crime boards and who would like info please contact me. [/*]


WOW! :eek:

[field of snow]

Originally posted by n/t
Also very interesting was Nicholas comment:

Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )

nfrancisco says:
nice joe, that gives me a good idea for a christmas gift, of my wife's photos, in her own book


"her own book".


Anybody know what he means by "book"? :o [/*]


As an example, you can have a book made out of your photos on Flickr (as well as stickers, Moo Cards, etc). So I guess he was talking about getting her one with her photos.

[n/t]

Coincidentally, lead detective supposedly back to work tomorrow and of course, results from the fingerprints are either back or should be back soon.

We won't stop looking for Nicholas, Christine. We will continue to find out what happened to him. So sorry you felt the need to stop updating the public about information on your missing husband. Information that may have helped in locating him.

Praying Nicholas is safe and calls his mom and sisters. Praying for Zea and Noah. God help you. :rose:

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow



As an example, you can have a book made out of your photos on Flickr (as well as stickers, Moo Cards, etc). So I guess he was talking about getting her one with her photos. [/*]

ok got it. Thanks!

[n/t]

Originally posted by MissyJayne
:confused: I am sorry but are you kidding me? My husband and the father of my children is missing and I am offended?????

Did I read her post right?



:confused: [/*]

Yes that's what it sounds like.

[field of snow]

I'm sorry that she is getting upset that we don't all believe he is murdered like she believes. I leave that possibility open, but given the lack of evidence, I am not inclined to be so sure. (Edited to add: Nor do I want to think of him as dead)

I'll give her the phone numbers of my friends who were surprised what was going on with their husbands too. Men make mistakes. Heck, humans make mistakes. Nobody is infallible or perfect. It's not the other spouse's fault.

I really hope she is getting professional counseling to deal with all of this.

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow
I'm sorry that she is getting upset that we don't all believe he is murdered like she believes. I leave that possibility, but given the lack of evidence, I am not inclined to be so sure.

I'll give her the phone numbers of my friends who were surprised what was going on with their husbands too. Men make mistakes. Heck, humans make mistakes. Nobody is infallible or perfect. It's not the other spouse's fault.

I really hope she is getting professional counseling to deal with all of this. [/*]

I thought today was a good day. We had some great conversations going. People looking for websites he may have frequented, looking at other Costco possibilites or other routes he may have taken from work.

This is all too bizarre for words. I don't get it. There's more to this. I am more convinced than ever now. Something stinks.

IMO!

[n/t]

Originally posted by cteall
Interesting blog I hadn't seen before, especially the first response talking about a guy who left his pregnant wife and assumed a new identity.
http://www.wikio.com/us/tragedy/missing_person/nicholas_francisco [/*]

It happens. At least they take off and not kill their pregnant wife and dump them in the ocean.

I noticed the article on the Tukwila man that was shot. Was he identified? I'm assuming he was and it's not Nicholas. Wonder what the story is on this poor guy and why he was shot.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I thought today was a good day. We had some great conversations going. People looking for websites he may have frequented, looking at other Costco possibilites or other routes he may have taken from work.

This is all too bizarre for words. I don't get it. There's more to this. I am more convinced than ever now. Something stinks.

IMO! [/*]

Yeah I'm blown away also - we even gave some ideas on how he could return IF he somehow had a breakdown and went away for a while - I even suggested he was mugged and had amnesia. I'm shocked.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by cteall
I think she is getting "professional help", didn't she say she was going to go to a financial advisor?? Seems like this is the type of help she is seeking.

I really hope she is getting professional counseling to deal with all of this. [/*] [/*][/QUOTE]


:) Yeah I meant more mental therapy. It's not good for mom to be wound up about both the father missing and what strangers opine.

Of course, the financial adviser is very important.

[field of snow]

I am beginning to feel that maybe I should just give up wasting my time scouring the internet for any little sign of him? I was doing that based on the idea that was he was alive and needed to be shaken out so he could be told off.

But if he is dead, I cannot find him as I live more than 3500+ miles from Seattle. Unless someone dragged him to the Everglades. (which has been done, so never say never..).

I'll still stay and chat, but forget having 10 Firefox windows open googling non-stop.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by field of snow
I am beginning to feel that maybe I should just give up wasting my time scouring the internet for any little sign of him? I was doing that based on the idea that was he was alive and needed to be shaken out so he could be told off.

But if he is dead, I cannot find him as I live more than 3500+ miles from Seattle. Unless someone dragged him to the Everglades. (which has been done, so never say never..).

I'll still stay and chat, but forget having 10 Firefox windows open googling non-stop. [/*]

I hear ya - I've searched all day online for any clue.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I hear ya - I've searched all day online for any clue. [/*]

I've been at it (and I know you and most of us have been) since I registered here. I have a big show this weekend that i've totally neglected because I wanted to help with ideas to find him. I know this isn't her fault at all, but i'm now mad at myself for bothering.

If we have to believe what she believes, than I guess only those of you in Seattle can help by looking for his body. Kind of sad..

[n/t]

Originally posted by field of snow
I am beginning to feel that maybe I should just give up wasting my time scouring the internet for any little sign of him? I was doing that based on the idea that was he was alive and needed to be shaken out so he could be told off.

But if he is dead, I cannot find him as I live more than 3500+ miles from Seattle. Unless someone dragged him to the Everglades. (which has been done, so never say never..).

I'll still stay and chat, but forget having 10 Firefox windows open googling non-stop. [/*]

Don't give up. Not if you think there's a chance he's still alive. Until I have proof he was murdered, I'll continue to follow this case and do what I can.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time I would like due to my job and I also don't live in Seattle but if there is anything I can do to keep the awareness going, I will.

Now that I know he's half Filipino, I have coworkers who are Filipino who may raise awareness in the community.

I'll do what I can until he's reunited with his children. I'm sure they miss him a whole bunch. They're just kids. They don't understand. :rose:

[esbee]

Originally posted by appledipper
I wonder if someone advised her not to post details anymore? [/*]

there was a post advising her of just that. look under comments (they are still there).

[n/t]

Originally posted by appledipper
I wonder if someone advised her not to post details anymore? [/*]

I doubt it would be LE. It may have been a poster from this board or another one.

LE looks at the internet for clues.

[n/t]

Time for bed. Nite all!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by field of snow


I quickly went through their members and didn't see him, but I could have missed it. I know that the Meetups i've been to, not everyone is signed up online, as they find out word of mouth.

I do wonder if he went to the meetup on Feb 11 though?
http://graphicdesign.meetup.com/151/calendar/7060029/ [/*]

You have to search each different community for members. They seem to know him by name and I was wondering the same thing about the meeting.

[scubagirl]

I'm not sure how to say this without it coming out the wrong way.....but I hope that NF *did* run out on Christine. At least that way - MAYBE the kids would get to see him again when he comes to his senses.

It's very sad to think that something bad happened to him and that he won't ever come home. Very few of us can understand the pain that Christine and the kids would feel finding out he died a horrible death (or such).

While I personally don't understand why she isn't spending every waking minute out pounding the pavement looking for him (because that's what I would do if my husband went missing), I guess I need to realize that everyone isn't like me and that she has her own way of dealing with things.

[RainyNiteNTx]

:rose:

For Nicholas wherever you are

Night folks

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm blown away too. Not only does she not sound humbled and distraught, she sounds selfish, self-absorbed, mentally unstable and far too defensive.

I hope she treats the people that are looking for NF outside the net much better. No wonder so many people haven't heard of this case; she's doing whatever she can to keep it swept under the rug. :shrug:

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/*]

She has a lot going on. If it is true she met with a financial adviser this week then I'm sure the news wasn't good. Without a body, evidence of foul play or at least a good reason someone would do something to him she isn't likely to get much real financial help and what she will get will be dependent on her going to work. Financial advisers can't do much with no money. Might even have had to tell her she will have to divorce soon to get control of what there is. It can't be easy for her. Sounds like she cycles up and down and that is what is going on in the journal. Some part of her hopes we can find something, part of her is in denial that he might have walked away and I'm sure she doesn't want a body found either. I'm sure she doesn't really know what she wants to happen other then for it to all be over.

[PerneciaJane]

Originally posted by Beth
And I get that, silver_dove, I do. I know how much she has got to be going through and the reality of what's to come is probably settling in. What I don't get is the "you can thank your friends for this" attitude and even feeling that she has to explain herself for taking down the facts. I am glad she has stopped talking and I wish she never would have addressed anything to a group of strangers on the net. Somebody should have been doing that for her if she felt that strongly she wanted facts out there.

I just don't get it. Her husband and the father of her kids is missing and she seems more concerned about what is being said about her.

I know that was harsh but really, I just don't get it. [/*]

I have gone over a lot of the previous posts and there are a lot of harsh posts directed at her. A lot of people demanding information, telling her what she should have done, should be doing and even demanding she write her blog so it is easier for them to read. I am really not surprised she took it down. Praying for the Francisco Family:rose:

[Oregongal]

I'm back after running some errands so just caught up.
Nite to those leaving and welcome to the new ones who have joined us today.
On this last page (9) lots of thoughts came to me, forgive me for not quoting each of you.
Yes, there are husbands who have just walked away from their families. The old 'he went to the store for a pack of cigs and never came home' thing has been going on for years. It happens, more than some realize. Leaving their wives with many children, no car, no money. No explanation.
Is it right? I don't think so, but it happens. And no it's not the spouses fault usually.
The fact that so many of us, me included, have been doing internet searches of so many kinds trying to find a clue or info or whatever to help find this man, kudos to all of us.
We are doing what our hearts are telling us...help...in whatever way we can.
We feel for Christine and her children, we want the best for her. Why else would we be here?
I have tried to put myself in Christine's shoes again and again. And every time I do I come up wondering what is up with her?
She is angry and defensive with what we are doing, showing that in her blog and addressing us in the way that she does. No gratitude, no humbleness, no appreciation that there are hundreds of strangers who seem to care more than she does that her husband is alive.
I cannot for the life of me understand why she would rather think of him as murdered, than just a mere man who had something push him to the edge to the point of walking away, going off with someone else, or out there wandering around without a clue who he is.
She is either in such deep, deep denial, or she is a narcissisist who would rather believe he's dead because she cannot possibly fathom the fact that any of these things happened to her.
I will continue to be here as often as I can, even if I don't post all the time, I do and will continue to read and pray. I'm a Christian too and it hurts my heart to think that something may have happened to one of my brothers in Christ.
I prefer to think he's left on his own rather than think the worst.
I won't think the worst until LE comes out with some kind of evidence that the worst has happened. I for one, have great confidence in LE and think they know what they are doing. So far there has been nothing to suggest that he's dead. Nothing except for Christine's gut feeling.
I think there is way more that Christine may know and could tell us, but chooses not to. It doesn't add up. Something stinks, somethings hinky, however you want to put it.
Well, that's where I stand, I'll get off my soapbox now. I just had to voice these things...and I'm hoping Christine is reading. And if she is I would advise her to do something other than reading these crime boards. No matter what, I don't think it's good for her.
She needs to be doing something proactive and if she's unable to do much... take care of her children, get her house in order, figure out what she going to do from now on. Get some professional psychological counseling to help her do so.
Go bake those cookies.
:rose: for the whole Francisco family.

And of course, this is MOO, JMO etc.

[figritout]

Originally posted by n/t


Don't give up. Not if you think there's a chance he's still alive. Until I have proof he was murdered, I'll continue to follow this case and do what I can.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time I would like due to my job and I also don't live in Seattle but if there is anything I can do to keep the awareness going, I will.

Now that I know he's half Filipino, I have coworkers who are Filipino who may raise awareness in the community.

I'll do what I can until he's reunited with his children. I'm sure they miss him a whole bunch. They're just kids. They don't understand. :rose: [/*]

I refuse to give up no matter what the end. I have posted flyers and a couple of my friends both in and out of the area are doing what they can.. We need to stick with this people.. We are making a difference if only getting her to respond on her website with more information.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm blown away too. Not only does she not sound humbled and distraught, she sounds selfish, self-absorbed, mentally unstable and far too defensive.

I hope she treats the people that are looking for NF outside the net much better. No wonder so many people haven't heard of this case; she's doing whatever she can to keep it swept under the rug. :shrug:

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/*]

Beth, oh yeah! We are thinking alike. Can you believe it? I still am just so dumbfounded. I posted the scenario of it was my cat what would I do. Alot more than this person! And what would I do if it were my husband and not my cat, go to the ends of the world..

[soyesterday]

hey guys
i'm back....
sorry i was busy tonight so i've been on and off
but i'm here now
let me catch up! :)

[figritout]

You know I am going to be really disappointed if down the road we learn that LE did not try to find out if NF came home that night, if anyone was asked to stay and watch the kids at anytime that night. Public transportation is available all the time to pick someone up and drop them close to home, if their car broke down at, hmmm let's say some condos or something.. jmo.. I know I am being a bit covert right now, or maybe not, just thinking "outside the box" at what could have been obvious all the time..

[figritout]

Originally posted by soyesterday
hey guys
i'm back....
sorry i was busy tonight so i've been on and off
but i'm here now
let me catch up! :) [/*]

Hey, glad you are back!! And that you got my pm.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by soyesterday
hey guys
i'm back....
sorry i was busy tonight so i've been on and off
but i'm here now
let me catch up! :) [/*]

Hi soy :seeya:

[SHinS]

It's interesting yet disturbing how CF got all of you here subdued.

[Oregongal]

Fig,
Your signature says it....there are soooooo many possibilities to this whole thing. My mind has been all over the place with them all.
And to me Christine's 'obvious', hasn't been proven at all.
As far as we know at this point, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he has met with foul play aka-murdered.
Until I see an announcement that they have discovered a body or remains,
I will continue to hope and pray he is alive in whatever possible circumstances rather than that.

[figritout]

Ok, to just add a little to my previous post.. I tend to have a hard time thinking the worst, sometimes referred to as “out of the box” , “or the obvious”, depending on what type of person you are. I was riding with a very smart, observant wonderful person this evening. I don’t talk about cases usually but for some reason I got into this one. I told the details the timeline, all the reactions by people etc. After unloading, they looked at me and said “Isn’t it obvious, I hope the police did not take things at face value but looked around them, observed, asked questions. Like we all know they would do if the husband called and said is wife was missing”. I was pulled outside my box.. Waffling again..

[Pam]

Originally posted by figritout


Beth, oh yeah! We are thinking alike. Can you believe it? I still am just so dumbfounded. I posted the scenario of it was my cat what would I do. Alot more than this person! And what would I do if it were my husband and not my cat, go to the ends of the world.. [/*]

I think I've finally read all of the posts from today and CF never seems to surprise me anymore!

I've thought all along that her responses, tone, online actions have been very strange to me from the very beginning.

I know that if it was my husband missing, I would probably go into a state of shock/panic in the beginning. Remembering my password to my computer wouldn't be something I would be capable of, and posting to forums (any forums) would be the last thing on my mind. After the shock/panic was over, then I'm pretty sure I'd hit the mode of action and would be pounding the street, knocking on every door and demanding that the LE, media and anyone that would listen, would help me find my husband. Spending time daily reading forums and updating a blog would be the last thing on my mind.

It still floors me that her response is that he's been murdered, or that it was foul play. I'm grounded enough to reality to know that men and women, husbands and wives, do walk away from their familes. Is it right?....NO!...does it happen?...Yes, more than we know. Can I say for sure my husband would never, ever walk away from us??? No, I can't say that and I know to never say "never". I don't think my first response would be that he was murdered....maybe she knows that NF walked away and in her mind he's "dead to her" for doing so???? JMO


Oh, and figritout, my cat got out of the house and was missing for 5 days last year. I was a frantic mess. I spent more time walking the neighborhood and burning gas in my car, looking for that furball. He finally came wondering home...scared and cold. So I can't imagine the wreck I'd be if it was my husband!

Oh.....all of this is JMO, MOO, IMO, etc.....

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SHinS
It's interesting yet disturbing how CF got all of you here subdued. [/*]

I'm not subdued, I've held the same opinions and stated them from the beginning.
I believe you are seeing the people here right now and for the last two days, who aren't what have been called Christine bashers. Those bashers have seem to either quieted down, quit, been banned or nobody is rising to their bait anymore and ignoring them.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Oregongal
Fig,
Your signature says it....there are soooooo many possibilities to this whole thing. My mind has been all over the place with them all.
And to me Christine's 'obvious', hasn't been proven at all.
As far as we know at this point, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he has met with foul play aka-murdered.
Until I see an announcement that they have discovered a body or remains,
I will continue to hope and pray he is alive in whatever possible circumstances rather than that. [/*]

There are so many possibilities.. Sometimes I think he walked, but in my heart, and don't think I say this lightly, I don't think so..That is maybe the one point CF and I agree on.. At least at this moment. I hope people don't see me as flakey, but I do waffle. I really do and I can't help it. But almost straight accross the board I sense there is something really wrong here and that NF would have walked had he been given the chance. I know he would have knowing and seeing what I have, but I feel he would have done it the right way, if he had been given the chance..

[figritout]

Originally posted by Pam


I think I've finally read all of the posts from today and CF never seems to surprise me anymore!

I've thought all along that her responses, tone, online actions have been very strange to me from the very beginning.

I know that if it was my husband missing, I would probably go into a state of shock/panic in the beginning. Remembering my password to my computer wouldn't be something I would be capable of, and posting to forums (any forums) would be the last thing on my mind. After the shock/panic was over, then I'm pretty sure I'd hit the mode of action and would be pounding the street, knocking on every door and demanding that the LE, media and anyone that would listen, would help me find my husband. Spending time daily reading forums and updating a blog would be the last thing on my mind.

It still floors me that her response is that he's been murdered, or that it was foul play. I'm grounded enough to reality to know that men and women, husbands and wives, do walk away from their familes. Is it right?....NO!...does it happen?...Yes, more than we know. Can I say for sure my husband would never, ever walk away from us??? No, I can't say that and I know to never say "never". I don't think my first response would be that he was murdered....maybe she knows that NF walked away and in her mind he's "dead to her" for doing so???? JMO


Oh, and figritout, my cat got out of the house and was missing for 5 days last year. I was a frantic mess. I spent more time walking the neighborhood and burning gas in my car, looking for that furball. He finally came wondering home...scared and cold. So I can't imagine the wreck I'd be if it was my husband!

Oh.....all of this is JMO, MOO, IMO, etc..... [/*]

I know the first instinct shouldn't be murdered and I feel really bad that I am feeling that. I am just and feeling it. I don't know why and I dont' with every case here, I have been reading forever but just chose to join. Man, I hope NF is all right. I wish it with every fiber of my being..

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I'm not subdued, I've held the same opinions and stated them from the beginning.
I believe you are seeing the people here right now and for the last two days, who aren't what have been called Christine bashers. Those bashers have seem to either quieted down, quit, been banned or nobody is rising to their bait anymore and ignoring them. [/*]

On some days, over half the posts in a daily thread were back and forths. I've slowly learned to not take the bait and ignore. I think we were successful today.

I'm just tired in general though. I have to stop caring so much.

[Pam]

My first gut feeling was and mostly is, that he walked. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, because I don't want to think of the other possibilities.

CF's posts from the very beginning have struck an 'off cord' with me. Even the interviews she's done seem very off. IMO

Still early tonight, but I have to get to bed....another early start tomorrow.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Pam
My first gut feeling was and mostly is, that he walked. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, because I don't want to think of the other possibilities.

CF's posts from the very beginning have struck an 'off cord' with me. Even the interviews she's done seem very off. IMO

Still early tonight, but I have to get to bed....another early start tomorrow. [/*]

Hi Pam, Good Night.. I am going to spend some time tonight thinking... I am going to ponder the gut feelings of others here and try to wrap my mind around it.. I appreciate you being a part of.. Take care...

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Pam
My first gut feeling was and mostly is, that he walked. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, because I don't want to think of the other possibilities.

CF's posts from the very beginning have struck an 'off cord' with me. Even the interviews she's done seem very off. IMO

Still early tonight, but I have to get to bed....another early start tomorrow. [/*]

Me too Pam.
Have a good sleep.
:seeya:

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Oregongal


I'm not subdued, I've held the same opinions and stated them from the beginning.
I believe you are seeing the people here right now and for the last two days, who aren't what have been called Christine bashers. Those bashers have seem to either quieted down, quit, been banned or nobody is rising to their bait anymore and ignoring them. [/*]


No, I am not referring to those "bashers".
And actually I've been reading these boards for over a week now and noticed that ever since CF let her "presence" known [here] you all have toned down in the sense that I no longer see any insightful or helpful theories being thrown around, IMO.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Pam


I think I've finally read all of the posts from today and CF never seems to surprise me anymore!

I've thought all along that her responses, tone, online actions have been very strange to me from the very beginning.

I know that if it was my husband missing, I would probably go into a state of shock/panic in the beginning. Remembering my password to my computer wouldn't be something I would be capable of, and posting to forums (any forums) would be the last thing on my mind. After the shock/panic was over, then I'm pretty sure I'd hit the mode of action and would be pounding the street, knocking on every door and demanding that the LE, media and anyone that would listen, would help me find my husband. Spending time daily reading forums and updating a blog would be the last thing on my mind.

It still floors me that her response is that he's been murdered, or that it was foul play. I'm grounded enough to reality to know that men and women, husbands and wives, do walk away from their familes. Is it right?....NO!...does it happen?...Yes, more than we know. Can I say for sure my husband would never, ever walk away from us??? No, I can't say that and I know to never say "never". I don't think my first response would be that he was murdered....maybe she knows that NF walked away and in her mind he's "dead to her" for doing so???? JMO


Oh, and figritout, my cat got out of the house and was missing for 5 days last year. I was a frantic mess. I spent more time walking the neighborhood and burning gas in my car, looking for that furball. He finally came wondering home...scared and cold. So I can't imagine the wreck I'd be if it was my husband!

Oh.....all of this is JMO, MOO, IMO, etc..... [/*]

CF knows her husband better than any of us. If she doesn't believe he left voluntarily, I don't understand why complete strangers are insisting upon it. My opinion of the case is mostly based on his wife's actions, her comments, her tone, the non-reaction of her small children to her histrionics and her incredible defensiveness. If that makes me a "Christine basher" sobeit.

jmo

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Pam
My first gut feeling was and mostly is, that he walked. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, because I don't want to think of the other possibilities.

CF's posts from the very beginning have struck an 'off cord' with me. Even the interviews she's done seem very off. IMO

Still early tonight, but I have to get to bed....another early start tomorrow. [/*]

Meant to say, me too re: CF....I'm not off to bed quite yet.
:)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SHinS



No, I am not referring to those "bashers".
And actually I've been reading these boards for over a week now and noticed that ever since CF let her "presence" known [here] you all have toned down in the sense that I no longer see any insightful or helpful theories being thrown around, IMO. [/*]

Sorry you see it that way, I disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. I've seen many insightful, helpful and caring theories in the past week.
JMO

[soyesterday]

ok i'm caught up now
and frustrated as usual
i can't stand the way she seems to be writing him off
i hope she just knows alot more than us and has reason to say what she is saying.....
by that i don't mean that i hope he really is dead and she knows it for a fact
i'm just trying to find a reason behind her words and her actions....
how can she love him so much and yet still be trying to cover him up....to erase him from this world.....to take away important information that could help find him.....
i don't get it......
i just don't.........

[SHinS]

Originally posted by Oregongal


Sorry you see it that way, I disagree, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. I've seen many insightful, helpful and caring theories in the past week.
JMO [/*]


Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions and we can agree to disagree ;)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by JustFacts


CF knows her husband better than any of us. If she doesn't believe he left voluntarily, I don't understand why complete strangers are insisting upon it. My opinion of the case is mostly based on his wife's actions, her comments, her tone, the non-reaction of her small children to her histrionics and her incredible defensiveness. If that makes me a "Christine basher" sobeit.

jmo [/*]

I don't think of you as a 'Christine basher'.
I respect that Christine may think she knows her husband better than any of us, but without getting too personal, I thought I knew my husband better than anyone else also. We were married for MANY years and it wasn't until the last five years of our marriage I found I didn't.
I stood my ground for a very long time thinking I did. Well, it turned out I didn't, that is why I consider that she may not know.
I've been there.
I feel the only reason posters are...to use your word...'insisting' that he may have left voluntarily is because most of us are hoping that he is alive and well. Which would be the far better thing than him being dead.
JMO

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok i'm caught up now
and frustrated as usual
i can't stand the way she seems to be writing him off
i hope she just knows alot more than us and has reason to say what she is saying.....
by that i don't mean that i hope he really is dead and she knows it for a fact
i'm just trying to find a reason behind her words and her actions....
how can she love him so much and yet still be trying to cover him up....to erase him from this world.....to take away important information that could help find him.....
i don't get it......
i just don't......... [/*]

I'm with you on this soy.
:)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SHinS



Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions and we can agree to disagree ;) [/*]

Absolutely!!!

[figritout]

Originally posted by SHinS
It's interesting yet disturbing how CF got all of you here subdued. [/*]

Don't be so sure!

[Silver_Dove]

My whole problem with the foul play is I have lived in these areas all of my life. I'm a tiny woman. I have carried my computer around and used it in public. I've publicly used it even in some places that might be seen as "bad" I've walk the city after dark. I've been out late so many times. Yet this guy on the day that he tells his people his cell phone isn't working (the one way to trace him) is dead. His paypal doesn't have as much money as it should have had, this almost 6 foot guy gets grab with his computer hidden and it not really that late in the same areas I've walked alone and gets killed or something. I guess I just have a problem with this.

I can't help wondering if he though they would grab the car if they found it.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
My whole problem with the foul play is I have lived in these areas all of my life. I'm a tiny woman. I have carried my computer around and used it in public. I've publicly used it even in some places that might be seen as "bad" I've walk the city after dark. I've been out late so many times. Yet this guy on the day that he tells his people his cell phone isn't working (the one way to trace him) is dead. His paypal doesn't have as much money as it should have had, this almost 6 foot guy gets grab with his computer hidden and it not really that late in the same areas I've walked alone and gets killed or something. I guess I just have a problem with this.

I can't help wondering if he though they would grab the car if they found it. [/*]

You are bringing me out of my box here. I tend to go in there and stay stuck and then, bam, have to peek outside.. A couple of people here tonight have led me to redirect my thinking.. But, we all have our boxes, and give me the benefit of the doubt and peek outside your box, and look at mine and tell me do you think there is any possibility of what I am thinking might have happened? and let's compare notes. Emails can tend to not send the tone properly so let me add that I am saying this with kindness and absolutely no maliciousness.. But with heart..

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by appledipper


It feels like just about every theory has been thrown around at this point. [/*]

Of course, it's been over a month that NF has been missing. There are alot of good minds thinking here and when there are few 'facts', everyone tends to go over and over everything, hoping that something new in the way of theory or ideas may pop up.
Should we just quit? I don't think so. You never know when someone here may say something that will trigger something else in someone else's mind that just may, may make a difference. Help in some way.
That's the whole idea behind these boards. Many minds coming together.
:)
JMO

[SHinS]

Originally posted by appledipper


It feels like just about every theory has been thrown around at this point. [/*]


I doubt it.

I've yet to read an interesting theory about his car being moved around in the parking lot.
I can't think of one single logical explaination or one that'll make some sense.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by SHinS



I doubt it.

I've yet to read an interesting theory about his car being moved around in the parking lot.
I can't think of one single logical explaination or one that'll make some sense. [/*]

???????????:shrug:

[figritout]

Originally posted by Beth
She just can't help it. She's updated it YET again.

Encore. :patriot: [/*]

Beth, What.. Please tell me as I haven't had the heart to look at her "running passive, agressive dialogue" in a long time.. Ok I will go look if you won't summarize it for me.. UGH!

[isitme]

I think the issue of the car being moved might have been more clear if we knew what LE was able to discover. Discussions would have insued and perhaps some answers reached as to the who, how ans why of it being moved. Unfortunatly it does not appear that we will know those results.

Was it bad timing or planned timing that CF has decided to stop communication?

[figritout]

Hey, a little light heartedness here, I now have the "n" I always wanted in my login name. Didn't know I could add it until a recent post name change.. Yahoo.. Oh the little things tend to lighten things up for me, for a moment anyways...

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by figritout


You are bringing me out of my box here. I tend to go in there and stay stuck and then, bam, have to peek outside.. A couple of people here tonight have led me to redirect my thinking.. But, we all have our boxes, and give me the benefit of the doubt and peek outside your box, and look at mine and tell me do you think there is any possibility of what I am thinking might have happened? and let's compare notes. Emails can tend to not send the tone properly so let me add that I am saying this with kindness and absolutely no maliciousness.. But with heart.. [/*]

This city has always been safe to me and I just can't come up with how this could have happened.

The car was just me remembering when I parked in the wrong spot and got it towed how mad I was it was gone and wondering if NF parked the car if he expected it would get towed away?

I just haven't seen a way I can't believe that NF gets taken and the car doesn't show a sign. This guy is 5'11" didn't he try to fight or get get away. His wife says he isn't a coward so I would expect him to fight so where is the blood?

[figritout]

Originally posted by figritout
Hey, a little light heartedness here, I now have the "n" I always wanted in my login name. Didn't know I could add it until a recent post name change.. Yahoo.. Oh the little things tend to lighten things up for me, for a moment anyways... [/*]

Baffled, I added it but where is it? Does it have to go through CW? Oh, was so excited. Sorry, back to task..

[Shimz]

Originally posted by isitme
I think the issue of the car being moved might have been more clear if we knew what LE was able to discover. Discussions would have insued and perhaps some answers reached as to the who, how ans why of it being moved. Unfortunatly it does not appear that we will know those results.

Was it bad timing or planned timing that CF has decided to stop communication? [/*]

that details of the car should be coming out tomorrow, maybe they found something.. i guess we will never know..

but i guess no news is good news, bc if it comes back with evidence of foul play, CF will probably want to let everyone know..

[figritout]

Originally posted by figritout


Baffled, I added it but where is it? Does it have to go through CW? Oh, was so excited. Sorry, back to task.. [/*]

It changed on the signature line but not on the member name.. Am I driving you all crazy... Sorry.. Back to task.. Sometimes the wierd details take my mind off the sadness...

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Beth
She just can't help it. She's updated it YET again.

Encore. :patriot: [/*]

I just went there and I have to say thank you Christine for recognizing those of us who really are trying to help.
It seems also that maybe she's is becoming more in touch with reality, put some of her defenses down.
I, at this point will still not back down and think he didn't leave.
Maybe because I still hold on to the hope that he is alive. And if I were to completely go with her feeling, that would mean I feel that he is dead. I can't do that without any evidence to prove it.
I would much rather believe that he left rather than to have to send condolences on the death of her husband.
I am a wife who loved her husband deeply. Who lived my life with him thinking I knew him better than anyone. Who's husband made me believe and gave me absolutely no reason to believe he would just leave. Who said he loved me and acted and said he couldn't live without me. To the point of after many years, our children grown, when I learned the truth. He had lived a double life and finally did leave. Devastation isn't a word that even comes close to what I felt and still do. I can somewhat understand her denial. But, I still say, with my experience and everything, I would much rather believe he left rather than he is dead. Dead is dead, there is no more hope. And my children are better in their lives knowing he is still alive. He didn't go missing, but he did leave.
It may seem easier to believe he is dead, but in the long run it really isn't. Him leaving would be devasting, but it is something that can be dealt with, with time, good support and counseling. People who have had a murdered spouse or father have pain that will never go away.
This is all JMO and boy, I sure seem chatty tonight, but, I feel for this case. I'm not sure why, but I feel deeply. Sorry for taking so much space.
:rose: For the Francisco family

[figritout]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


This city has always been safe to me and I just can't come up with how this could have happened.

The car was just me remembering when I parked in the wrong spot and got it towed how mad I was it was gone and wondering if NF parked the car if he expected it would get towed away?

I just haven't seen a way I can't believe that NF gets taken and the car doesn't show a sign. This guy is 5'11" didn't he try to fight or get get away. His wife says he isn't a coward so I would expect him to fight so where is the blood? [/*]

If it was planned and at gun point and by somebody he trusted. and he was taken not in his own vehicle..There would probably be no evidence. The car would have simply been dumped and possibly moved around to be confusing. IF it happened at a specific location and there was time to move the car, to a place in which the crime had not occured, and the police did not look for signs of a crime by all involved, then things could have been cleaned up.. Plenty of time.. Hopefully the police treated this as if it was the husband reporting the crime.. In this day and age you would think so, or not.. Depending on them... Hmm.. Maybe I have been inflluenced into not saying exactly what I am thinking... But beating around the bush.. Have to think on this...

[figritout]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm sorry, I'm too late in responding, and now she's removed it again.

Is this a game to her? [/*]

Beth, please tell me I am not on your ignore list.. What have you been seeing..

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout


Baffled, I added it but where is it? Does it have to go through CW? Oh, was so excited. Sorry, back to task.. [/*]

LOL! I don't see it either. Did you go to your user cp panel...there is a place you can 'edit' your profile. I think you can change you nic there too.
But, I'm still new to this, so am not sure.
;)

[field of snow]

I've leaned towards this theory. Maybe he thought that being far enough south of where he was expected to be+work+home, he was okay? He might not have even realized he was a news item if he was hunkering down in guilt for leaving. He may or may not have been in the condos or apartments when people came knocking -- could have been out with whomever might be helping him and came back to the police/search scene or after the fact and his car was gone!

Just ideas..

(still forcing myself to go to bed)




Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Maybe he was staying at one of the Condo units or nearby apartment complex and needed a place to park his car until he could decide what his next move would be.

He could have made several trips out to various locations maybe to eat and to pick up things he needed. Like any parking lot a person ends up parking in different spots.

He propbably did not plan for LE to find his car so quickly so didn't make any effort to keep it hidden. [/*]

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm sorry, I'm too late in responding, and now she's removed it again.

Is this a game to her? [/*]

hey beth
can u share w/ us what you saw?

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm sorry, I'm too late in responding, and now she's removed it again.

Is this a game to her? [/*]

Now I'm confused. I saw that she had removed all the 'facts', had that 'statement' at the top.
What do you think she removed?
Or, what was different other than what I saw?

:confused:

[need2no]

It just so happened I caught the Nancy Grace show on the night Christine appeared. By far she is not the first spouse who I've seen on NG's show discussing their missing loved one and making a public plea for help. So..why did I search to see if anyone had opened a thread for this case when I don't on many other missing person cases, why did I even give thought to this case the following day, and why have I been here following this case for almost a month? Because of Christine herself..something struck me as odd and/or fake, her inflection, her dry tears, her words, Nancy's reaction. Then I saw her on Greta, same thing, sat there shaking my head, something didn't sit well with me, my hinky meter was beeping loudly. I felt guilty for these feelings, how could I be thinking she knew something she was not telling the public based on 2 interviews I saw on TV, and one news article I read. I should have empathy for this poor woman with 2 children and one on the way when her dear hubby was missing. Was I off target and dead wrong about my suspicions, have I followed too many cases and was making assumptions unfairly early on. Did my love of mysteries and true crime spark something in me after watching CF speak.

When I saw others posting the same thing I was feeling, I felt a whole lot less guilty about what had been going through my mind, this affirmed my feelings, and convinced me I couldn't be totally off base on this if so many others were thinking the same. But I still took into effect that she is young, maybe in shock/confused, maybe in denial and even a tad embarressed her hubby may have walked, and I really tried to stay open minded, wait for all the facts and see what made logical sense, regardless of my 1st impression of Christine. And all along I became consumed with the need for everybody to jump in and find this man who deserved to be found if he didn't just chose to walk away, and since nothing leaned one way or the other I felt 100% effort should be made to find out what happened. Looking at pics of his children and thinking how they must miss daddy broke my heart.

The problem as I see it is Christine set the tone by her interviews on TV, and her words on posts over the internet. The desperation for money from the get go, (and now we know the salary was still coming in.) It was and is odd, her words were not like not anything I have ever witnessed from a spouse in a missing person case.Innocent people shouldn't have a problem answering questions or stating facts. Her firm belief NF met with foul play and was dead...right off the bat it seemed. She is like a female Drew Peterson in terms of drawing public interest and then being rude to the people she herself drew in. And just like Drew she only responds to or answers the questions she WANTS to answer, and how dare you ask for more. Granted it wasn't her idea to go on National TV and plea for help, (at least that's my understanding), but once she did and asked for help whether she meant it or not, it does not appear she really wanted help to locate Nicholas. Or she became more consumed with how people viewed her, that her actions and words were being questioned, and angry and offended, and this became more important than any concerns about finding her husband. She couldn't seem to understand that the spouse is always looked at in missing person cases..why would she be any different or given a pass.

So many odd things in this case while so little facts to go on. In fact so llittle that if Christine hadn't been on line this attention probably would have dwindled down in a week or two. But CF urged it on with her blogs and trinkling out dibs and dabs of info. based on things she saw posters questioning on the forums, and she was nasty with her comments further slamming those who were seeking the truth. What did she expect people to think when she kept adding to or adjusting the facts which should have been stated in the beginning, not like after thoughts or make it up as you go along. It 'appears' she has made little real effort to help find her husband, (and some of this only came after numerous posting questioning why she wasn't doing more), she seems to have shown very little appreciation for donations and other help she has received and what she little she did say came way late and after many were remarking about her lack of appreciation.

Now she has made it clear she is offended and she is not going to make us privy to anymore information..well heck we never expected her to correspond with us in the first place. And for those of you thinking she doesn't owe us any info, nope she sure doesn't and no one made her share what she did. So did we strike a nerve, did we get too close to the truth. Oh well, it appears she has accepted her husband is dead so what should we do. I have little doubt that the brain storming and research by so many on these boards has been reviewed by LE, or someone who has read the posts conveyed the ideas/thoughts to someone they know in LE, and even the PI. Think of the work and time we have saved them, and I am serious about this. I would imagine we even provided CF with some things to think about that may not have occurred to her, in fact I'm pretty sure of it.

But it appears Christine doesn't want our assistance, or concern for her husband, and perhaps she just hopes we will all disappear as well.

[SeattleEddie]

Wife says: I do not answer to any of you. I answer to God and God only.

The same can be said of posters on boards, any boards. (minus the god part if they are not religious)

This is a very strange statement from someone who is looking for her missing spouse.

Does anyone know whether the police still consider this case open? I can't find mention of it at King County Police. It might be possible that Nicholas has been in communication with LE, and the case is closed. In Washington state, if a missing person wishes to remain missing, his request must be honored.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout


If it was planned and at gun point and by somebody he trusted. and he was taken not in his own vehicle..There would probably be no evidence. The car would have simply been dumped and possibly moved around to be confusing. IF it happened at a specific location and there was time to move the car, to a place in which the crime had not occured, and the police did not look for signs of a crime by all involved, then things could have been cleaned up.. Plenty of time.. Hopefully the police treated this as if it was the husband reporting the crime.. In this day and age you would think so, or not.. Depending on them... Hmm.. Maybe I have been inflluenced into not saying exactly what I am thinking... But beating around the bush.. Have to think on this... [/*]

That is the only way I think violence could have occurred -- if it was intentional and planned. Random violence just so rarely goes down in a way that there is no body, no witnesses, no signs.

As for treating it as if it was the husband reporting the crime, I really doubt it. Nothing has been said that would indicate that, and the way that Christine has communicated about so many things, I just can't imagine that she wouldn't be sharing -- at least with her supporters on the support blog and earlier support threads on Etsy -- just how terrible that LE has been treating her and interrogating her, if, in fact, that had been the case. She had no problem coming down on these crime boards and the discussions here that are all about figuring out ("fgrinout"?) what happened to Nicholas.

JMO...

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Wife says:

The same can be said of posters on boards, any boards. (minus the god part if they are not religious)

This is a very strange statement from someone who is looking for her missing spouse.

Does anyone know whether the police still consider this case open? I can't find mention of it at King County Police. It might be possible that Nicholas has been in communication with LE, and the case is closed. In Washington state, if a missing person wishes to remain missing, his request must be honored. [/*]

I don't think it has ever been listed on the KCPD website. Unless you can search for it by the case number somehow? If so, the case number is on the findnicholasfrancisco.com website I think. If you call the police department tomorrow and ask them if the case is still open, they should say one way or the other. But from all I've heard, it still is.

[soyesterday]

wow need2no....
that is alot to read, but here i go to read it :)
can someone give me the link to CF's myspace page again please?

[figritout]

Originally posted by Beth


No, figritout, nobody is on my ignore list. I have just been popping in and out and it's much earlier here so I am dealing with kids and bedtimes (and rituals).

Actually, I don't remember what it said other than she had a bold paragraph with what appeared to be an afterthought. Then I saw you wanted me to paraphrase and when I went back to do that for you, it was gone. I'm sorry! :)

Oh and edited to add, there is still a bold paragraph and it is the one I was reading, however it had about 6 more lines after what it does now. [/*]

Thanks, call me paranoid.. Many have.. UGH! I guess I should be brave and watch her site. It just, usually, turns my stomache.. What is up with her.. jmo.. And you know what? I would love spell check here. My posts would go so much quicker! LOL, now don't tell me there is spellcheck and I missed it. That would just make my day.. LOL

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by field of snow
I've leaned towards this theory. Maybe he thought that being far enough south of where he was expected to be+work+home, he was okay? He might not have even realized he was a news item if he was hunkering down in guilt for leaving. He may or may not have been in the condos or apartments when people came knocking -- could have been out with whomever might be helping him and came back to the police/search scene or after the fact and his car was gone!

Just ideas..

(still forcing myself to go to bed)




[/*]

Hey, your 'just ideas' make sense to me.
LOL at forcing yourself to go to bed, me too!!!

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Beth


It may be a lot to read, but it sure is worth reading. Beautiful, need2no! [/*]

I agree. :)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no
It just so happened I caught the Nancy Grace show on the night Christine appeared. By far she is not the first spouse who I've seen on NG's show discussing their missing loved one and making a public plea for help. So..why did I search to see if anyone had opened a thread for this case when I don't on many other missing person cases, why did I even give thought to this case the following day, and why have I been here following this case for almost a month? Because of Christine herself..something struck me as odd and/or fake, her inflection, her dry tears, her words, Nancy's reaction. Then I saw her on Greta, same thing, sat there shaking my head, something didn't sit well with me, my hinky meter was beeping loudly. I felt guilty for these feelings, how could I be thinking she knew something she was not telling the public based on 2 interviews I saw on TV, and one news article I read. I should have empathy for this poor woman with 2 children and one on the way when her dear hubby was missing. Was I off target and dead wrong about my suspicions, have I followed too many cases and was making assumptions unfairly early on. Did my love of mysteries and true crime spark something in me after watching CF speak.

When I saw others posting the same thing I was feeling, I felt a whole lot less guilty about what had been going through my mind, this affirmed my feelings, and convinced me I couldn't be totally off base on this if so many others were thinking the same. But I still took into effect that she is young, maybe in shock/confused, maybe in denial and even a tad embarressed her hubby may have walked, and I really tried to stay open minded, wait for all the facts and see what made logical sense, regardless of my 1st impression of Christine. And all along I became consumed with the need for everybody to jump in and find this man who deserved to be found if he didn't just chose to walk away, and since nothing leaned one way or the other I felt 100% effort should be made to find out what happened. Looking at pics of his children and thinking how they must miss daddy broke my heart.

The problem as I see it is Christine set the tone by her interviews on TV, and her words on posts over the internet. The desperation for money from the get go, (and now we know the salary was still coming in.) It was and is odd, her words were not like not anything I have ever witnessed from a spouse in a missing person case.Innocent people shouldn't have a problem answering questions or stating facts. Her firm belief NF met with foul play and was dead...right off the bat it seemed. She is like a female Drew Peterson in terms of drawing public interest and then being rude to the people she herself drew in. And just like Drew she only responds to or answers the questions she WANTS to answer, and how dare you ask for more. Granted it wasn't her idea to go on National TV and plea for help, (at least that's my understanding), but once she did and asked for help whether she meant it or not, it does not appear she really wanted help to locate Nicholas. Or she became more consumed with how people viewed her, that her actions and words were being questioned, and angry and offended, and this became more important than any concerns about finding her husband. She couldn't seem to understand that the spouse is always looked at in missing person cases..why would she be any different or given a pass.

So many odd things in this case while so little facts to go on. In fact so llittle that if Christine hadn't been on line this attention probably would have dwindled down in a week or two. But CF urged it on with her blogs and trinkling out dibs and dabs of info. based on things she saw posters questioning on the forums, and she was nasty with her comments further slamming those who were seeking the truth. What did she expect people to think when she kept adding to or adjusting the facts which should have been stated in the beginning, not like after thoughts or make it up as you go along. It 'appears' she has made little real effort to help find her husband, (and some of this only came after numerous posting questioning why she wasn't doing more), she seems to have shown very little appreciation for donations and other help she has received and what she little she did say came way late and after many were remarking about her lack of appreciation.

Now she has made it clear she is offended and she is not going to make us privy to anymore information..well heck we never expected her to correspond with us in the first place. And for those of you thinking she doesn't owe us any info, nope she sure doesn't and no one made her share what she did. So did we strike a nerve, did we get too close to the truth. Oh well, it appears she has accepted her husband is dead so what should we do. I have little doubt that the brain storming and research by so many on these boards has been reviewed by LE, or someone who has read the posts conveyed the ideas/thoughts to someone they know in LE, and even the PI. Think of the work and time we have saved them, and I am serious about this. I would imagine we even provided CF with some things to think about that may not have occurred to her, in fact I'm pretty sure of it.

But it appears Christine doesn't want our assistance, or concern for her husband, and perhaps she just hopes we will all disappear as well. [/*]

Bravo nee2know, you said all the other things I couldn't say in my post!!!!
:beer:

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by soyesterday
wow need2no....
that is alot to read, but here i go to read it :)
can someone give me the link to CF's myspace page again please? [/*]
never mind
i found her

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no
It just so happened I caught the Nancy Grace show on the night Christine appeared. By far she is not the first spouse who I've seen on NG's show discussing their missing loved one and making a public plea for help. So..why did I search to see if anyone had opened a thread for this case when I don't on many other missing person cases, why did I even give thought to this case the following day, and why have I been here following this case for almost a month? Because of Christine herself..something struck me as odd and/or fake, her inflection, her dry tears, her words, Nancy's reaction. Then I saw her on Greta, same thing, sat there shaking my head, something didn't sit well with me, my hinky meter was beeping loudly. I felt guilty for these feelings, how could I be thinking she knew something she was not telling the public based on 2 interviews I saw on TV, and one news article I read. I should have empathy for this poor woman with 2 children and one on the way when her dear hubby was missing. Was I off target and dead wrong about my suspicions, have I followed too many cases and was making assumptions unfairly early on. Did my love of mysteries and true crime spark something in me after watching CF speak.

When I saw others posting the same thing I was feeling, I felt a whole lot less guilty about what had been going through my mind, this affirmed my feelings, and convinced me I couldn't be totally off base on this if so many others were thinking the same. But I still took into effect that she is young, maybe in shock/confused, maybe in denial and even a tad embarressed her hubby may have walked, and I really tried to stay open minded, wait for all the facts and see what made logical sense, regardless of my 1st impression of Christine. And all along I became consumed with the need for everybody to jump in and find this man who deserved to be found if he didn't just chose to walk away, and since nothing leaned one way or the other I felt 100% effort should be made to find out what happened. Looking at pics of his children and thinking how they must miss daddy broke my heart.

The problem as I see it is Christine set the tone by her interviews on TV, and her words on posts over the internet. The desperation for money from the get go, (and now we know the salary was still coming in.) It was and is odd, her words were not like not anything I have ever witnessed from a spouse in a missing person case.Innocent people shouldn't have a problem answering questions or stating facts. Her firm belief NF met with foul play and was dead...right off the bat it seemed. She is like a female Drew Peterson in terms of drawing public interest and then being rude to the people she herself drew in. And just like Drew she only responds to or answers the questions she WANTS to answer, and how dare you ask for more. Granted it wasn't her idea to go on National TV and plea for help, (at least that's my understanding), but once she did and asked for help whether she meant it or not, it does not appear she really wanted help to locate Nicholas. Or she became more consumed with how people viewed her, that her actions and words were being questioned, and angry and offended, and this became more important than any concerns about finding her husband. She couldn't seem to understand that the spouse is always looked at in missing person cases..why would she be any different or given a pass.

So many odd things in this case while so little facts to go on. In fact so llittle that if Christine hadn't been on line this attention probably would have dwindled down in a week or two. But CF urged it on with her blogs and trinkling out dibs and dabs of info. based on things she saw posters questioning on the forums, and she was nasty with her comments further slamming those who were seeking the truth. What did she expect people to think when she kept adding to or adjusting the facts which should have been stated in the beginning, not like after thoughts or make it up as you go along. It 'appears' she has made little real effort to help find her husband, (and some of this only came after numerous posting questioning why she wasn't doing more), she seems to have shown very little appreciation for donations and other help she has received and what she little she did say came way late and after many were remarking about her lack of appreciation.

Now she has made it clear she is offended and she is not going to make us privy to anymore information..well heck we never expected her to correspond with us in the first place. And for those of you thinking she doesn't owe us any info, nope she sure doesn't and no one made her share what she did. So did we strike a nerve, did we get too close to the truth. Oh well, it appears she has accepted her husband is dead so what should we do. I have little doubt that the brain storming and research by so many on these boards has been reviewed by LE, or someone who has read the posts conveyed the ideas/thoughts to someone they know in LE, and even the PI. Think of the work and time we have saved them, and I am serious about this. I would imagine we even provided CF with some things to think about that may not have occurred to her, in fact I'm pretty sure of it.

But it appears Christine doesn't want our assistance, or concern for her husband, and perhaps she just hopes we will all disappear as well. [/*]

Wow, great post -- very heartfelt and insightful. And I totally agree.

I haven't followed a missing person's case like this before myself, except there was one about 10 years ago and that is a long story that would best be left to a PM to anyone interested (I will say that the husband did it, Ann Rule later wrote about it, and I myself had been in email correspondence with the guy previous to that for several months, and received an email one day from him that his wife had "disappeared without a clue"... there's more but that's enough for here). So I have been wondering in this case why I have been so compelled to follow this story and try and figure it out. I do think that the efforts here and on other boards have given CF and hopefully LE some things to think about. I don't really expect CF to appreciate that now... maybe in time she will.

[figritout]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


That is the only way I think violence could have occurred -- if it was intentional and planned. Random violence just so rarely goes down in a way that there is no body, no witnesses, no signs.

As for treating it as if it was the husband reporting the crime, I really doubt it. Nothing has been said that would indicate that, and the way that Christine has communicated about so many things, I just can't imagine that she wouldn't be sharing -- at least with her supporters on the support blog and earlier support threads on Etsy -- just how terrible that LE has been treating her and interrogating her, if, in fact, that had been the case. She had no problem coming down on these crime boards and the discussions here that are all about figuring out ("fgrinout"?) what happened to Nicholas.

JMO... [/*]

This is just plain wrong.. Wrong.. And yeah, I am now "figrinout" thank you very much.. If I can figure out how to change it officially? LOL.. What can we do to get LE to look at things a bit differently.. This woman "IMO" is not right. She is not thinking right.. If it were my "cat".. If you read that one.. But on the other side, what if I were to put together a form letter with the basic stuff and all of us could fill in our own details "concerns" to local LE? Would all of you be open to that..Send it off.. A little tickler if you might to remind them there are people out here who want to know, and do you "LE" know what is going on? What do you think?

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by Beth


Thank you! That was part of it so that IS the paragraph. Now, where's the rest, SeattleEddie? ;) [/*]

Beth, that part is still there, it was posted on Mar. 3. I don't think I ever saw the longer piece you noticed earlier. :mad:

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Wife says:

The same can be said of posters on boards, any boards. (minus the god part if they are not religious)

This is a very strange statement from someone who is looking for her missing spouse.

Does anyone know whether the police still consider this case open? I can't find mention of it at King County Police. It might be possible that Nicholas has been in communication with LE, and the case is closed. In Washington state, if a missing person wishes to remain missing, his request must be honored. [/*]

SeattleEddie,
desmom pointed out earlier that if that was the case, they would have announced the case was closed and on AMW and any other places where this it is listed as active would have been notified and NF's pic and info would have been removed. So they wouldn't continue to get calls, emails and tips regarding him.

[soyesterday]

ok guys
i'm sorry, but i'm going to go now
sometimes this case is just too upsetting for me
and she just upsets me so much
i'm going to back away for tonight
before i say something i shouldn't
goodnight everyone :)

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by figritout


This is just plain wrong.. Wrong.. And yeah, I am now "figrinout" thank you very much.. If I can figure out how to change it officially? LOL.. What can we do to get LE to look at things a bit differently.. This woman "IMO" is not right. She is not thinking right.. If it were my "cat".. If you read that one.. But on the other side, what if I were to put together a form letter with the basic stuff and all of us could fill in our own details "concerns" to local LE? Would all of you be open to that..Send it off.. A little tickler if you might to remind them there are people out here who want to know, and do you "LE" know what is going on? What do you think? [/*]

didn't a couple people on here email LE just the other day?
just curious

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth
I'm sorry, I'm too late in responding, and now she's removed it again.

Is this a game to her? [/*]

My sense is she removed all the "facts" stuff because someone strongly advised her to. But she just can't let go of communicating via her blog on some level.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by figritout


Thanks, call me paranoid.. Many have.. UGH! I guess I should be brave and watch her site. It just, usually, turns my stomache.. What is up with her.. jmo.. And you know what? I would love spell check here. My posts would go so much quicker! LOL, now don't tell me there is spellcheck and I missed it. That would just make my day.. LOL [/*]

LOLOLOL!!! on the spellcheck. Me too!
I try and proof before I send then I'll read when it's posted and find all these typos. I'm anal that way and when I see I've missed something I immediately want to post and correct.
Thanks for the laugh!
:lol:

[invreporter1105]

:read:

Hi. Can someone PM me the address to CF's Myspace Page?

TIA(Thanks In Advance)

[HarlettOhara]

The notion that Christine has given up and is doing nothing to find her husband is very false. I can't get in to everything, but I can tell you for a fact that things are being done to try and find Nicholas.

[figritout]

Originally posted by need2no
It just so happened I caught the Nancy Grace show on the night Christine appeared. By far she is not the first spouse who I've seen on NG's show discussing their missing loved one and making a public plea for help. So..why did I search to see if anyone had opened a thread for this case when I don't on many other missing person cases, why did I even give thought to this case the following day, and why have I been here following this case for almost a month? Because of Christine herself..something struck me as odd and/or fake, her inflection, her dry tears, her words, Nancy's reaction. Then I saw her on Greta, same thing, sat there shaking my head, something didn't sit well with me, my hinky meter was beeping loudly. I felt guilty for these feelings, how could I be thinking she knew something she was not telling the public based on 2 interviews I saw on TV, and one news article I read. I should have empathy for this poor woman with 2 children and one on the way when her dear hubby was missing. Was I off target and dead wrong about my suspicions, have I followed too many cases and was making assumptions unfairly early on. Did my love of mysteries and true crime spark something in me after watching CF speak.

When I saw others posting the same thing I was feeling, I felt a whole lot less guilty about what had been going through my mind, this affirmed my feelings, and convinced me I couldn't be totally off base on this if so many others were thinking the same. But I still took into effect that she is young, maybe in shock/confused, maybe in denial and even a tad embarressed her hubby may have walked, and I really tried to stay open minded, wait for all the facts and see what made logical sense, regardless of my 1st impression of Christine. And all along I became consumed with the need for everybody to jump in and find this man who deserved to be found if he didn't just chose to walk away, and since nothing leaned one way or the other I felt 100% effort should be made to find out what happened. Looking at pics of his children and thinking how they must miss daddy broke my heart.

The problem as I see it is Christine set the tone by her interviews on TV, and her words on posts over the internet. The desperation for money from the get go, (and now we know the salary was still coming in.) It was and is odd, her words were not like not anything I have ever witnessed from a spouse in a missing person case.Innocent people shouldn't have a problem answering questions or stating facts. Her firm belief NF met with foul play and was dead...right off the bat it seemed. She is like a female Drew Peterson in terms of drawing public interest and then being rude to the people she herself drew in. And just like Drew she only responds to or answers the questions she WANTS to answer, and how dare you ask for more. Granted it wasn't her idea to go on National TV and plea for help, (at least that's my understanding), but once she did and asked for help whether she meant it or not, it does not appear she really wanted help to locate Nicholas. Or she became more consumed with how people viewed her, that her actions and words were being questioned, and angry and offended, and this became more important than any concerns about finding her husband. She couldn't seem to understand that the spouse is always looked at in missing person cases..why would she be any different or given a pass.

So many odd things in this case while so little facts to go on. In fact so llittle that if Christine hadn't been on line this attention probably would have dwindled down in a week or two. But CF urged it on with her blogs and trinkling out dibs and dabs of info. based on things she saw posters questioning on the forums, and she was nasty with her comments further slamming those who were seeking the truth. What did she expect people to think when she kept adding to or adjusting the facts which should have been stated in the beginning, not like after thoughts or make it up as you go along. It 'appears' she has made little real effort to help find her husband, (and some of this only came after numerous posting questioning why she wasn't doing more), she seems to have shown very little appreciation for donations and other help she has received and what she little she did say came way late and after many were remarking about her lack of appreciation.

Now she has made it clear she is offended and she is not going to make us privy to anymore information..well heck we never expected her to correspond with us in the first place. And for those of you thinking she doesn't owe us any info, nope she sure doesn't and no one made her share what she did. So did we strike a nerve, did we get too close to the truth. Oh well, it appears she has accepted her husband is dead so what should we do. I have little doubt that the brain storming and research by so many on these boards has been reviewed by LE, or someone who has read the posts conveyed the ideas/thoughts to someone they know in LE, and even the PI. Think of the work and time we have saved them, and I am serious about this. I would imagine we even provided CF with some things to think about that may not have occurred to her, in fact I'm pretty sure of it.

But it appears Christine doesn't want our assistance, or concern for her husband, and perhaps she just hopes we will all disappear as well. [/*]

Oh My.. I just read this in its entirety.. Thank.. You took the time and said it.. Thank you!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout


This is just plain wrong.. Wrong.. And yeah, I am now "figrinout" thank you very much.. If I can figure out how to change it officially? LOL.. What can we do to get LE to look at things a bit differently.. This woman "IMO" is not right. She is not thinking right.. If it were my "cat".. If you read that one.. But on the other side, what if I were to put together a form letter with the basic stuff and all of us could fill in our own details "concerns" to local LE? Would all of you be open to that..Send it off.. A little tickler if you might to remind them there are people out here who want to know, and do you "LE" know what is going on? What do you think? [/*]

Yes, that's a good idea, and also send copies to the press. So they see that this isn't such a one-sided story as its been portrayed in the media.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by soyesterday

never mind
i found her [/*]

I haven't, I would appreciate a link to her myspace.
;)

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok guys
i'm sorry, but i'm going to go now
sometimes this case is just too upsetting for me
and she just upsets me so much
i'm going to back away for tonight
before i say something i shouldn't
goodnight everyone :) [/*]

Goodnight soy, I'll be following soon.
:seeya:

[figritout]

Originally posted by soyesterday


didn't a couple people on here email LE just the other day?
just curious [/*]
Yes, but I was thinking lets step up the effort? Innundate them..

[need2no]

Beth, TTT, Oregongal, Soyesterday and Figrnitout,

Thank you for taking the time to read my long post, for your nice comments, and for allowing me to get that off my chest.


Oh, and Envision, thank you for giving me a laugh out loud with your post. :D

[figritout]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
The notion that Christine has given up and is doing nothing to find her husband is very false. I can't get in to everything, but I can tell you for a fact that things are being done to try and find Nicholas. [/*]

Yeah, do tell? On her website where whe puts down all? Hmmm. Please let us know..

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
The notion that Christine has given up and is doing nothing to find her husband is very false. I can't get in to everything, but I can tell you for a fact that things are being done to try and find Nicholas. [/*]

Thank you, thank you Harlett!! I am so happy to know this.
I know you can't get into everything, but knowing your profession this really comforts me to know that things are being done.
Bless you for sharing.
:rose:

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by figritout


Yeah, do tell? On her website where whe puts down all? Hmmm. Please let us know.. [/*]

I didn't see her put everyone down...

Matter of fact I saw where she thanked people that did not bash her and are seriously trying to help solve the case.

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
The notion that Christine has given up and is doing nothing to find her husband is very false. I can't get in to everything, but I can tell you for a fact that things are being done to try and find Nicholas. [/*]


Evening Harlett :seeya:

This is good to hear and since I know you are "in the know" on these things I trust you are telling it like it is, I only wish you could share more, but I understand you can't. Believe me this is what we all want to know is a true fact...that Christine does care and is doing something to find her husband. I saw she wrote something implying she would like to say more but she can't or something to that effect. But I believed she may have removed this comment..it's hard to keep up.

I wish we could meet for lunch...would love to pick your brain. :D

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
My whole problem with the foul play is I have lived in these areas all of my life. I'm a tiny woman. I have carried my computer around and used it in public. I've publicly used it even in some places that might be seen as "bad" I've walk the city after dark. I've been out late so many times. Yet this guy on the day that he tells his people his cell phone isn't working (the one way to trace him) is dead. His paypal doesn't have as much money as it should have had, this almost 6 foot guy gets grab with his computer hidden and it not really that late in the same areas I've walked alone and gets killed or something. I guess I just have a problem with this. [/*]

Yup, I have a problem with all that too. And I live in the area too. Yes, there is random violence sometimes, but bodies are found, and the cell phone and paypal... and so many other things... are red flags to me too.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I didn't see her put everyone down...

Matter of fact I saw where she thanked people that did not bash her and are seriously trying to help solve the case. [/*]


Harlett --

Are you able to answer yes or no if what she's doing "behind the scenes" is the reason why she hasn't put a Missing Flyer picture on her own Flickr and his Flickr and her Myspace and Blog?

I don't see a logical reason not to do that, but at this point...

[invreporter1105]

For those of you who requested CF's Myspace link, but received no reply, PM me for the link. I found it on another board just now.

[figritout]

Well it's late here, for me anyways. I will put together a form letter and pm it anyone interested in sending one..
Today I was amazed that on the way to work there is a shop name "bella xxxx" and that my herbology group decided to go for our meeting to a place called "bella xxx" What is up with that? Bella was never a word I would have thought of before.. Maybe I just didn't notice until now.. It has me boggled..

[SeattleEddie]

Originally posted by need2no

....snip....

But it appears Christine doesn't want our assistance, or concern for her husband, and perhaps she just hopes we will all disappear as well. [/*]

Great post, N2N. I have only followed one other case, ever, and that was OJ Simpson.

The compelling part for me was catching a snipped on the evening news of a woman adamant about her husband's affections and intent. Then hearing a few nights, or maybe it was a week later, the famous statement about "this baby won't have a father" and "these kids won't have a daddy." It seemed like such a fairy-tale marriage, which one does not come across in everyday life, and it piqued my interest.

I think I understand the exaggerations a bit better now, but I sure wish the case weren't so captivating, because it takes way too much time to follow the boards and search the internet. And I believe more and more that Nicholas is OK, somewhere, not wanting to be found.

I just keep watching, hoping to be validated, and that's what keeps me interested. Although I feel sorry for CF, I think she has a need for attention and control that will never be satisfied on the internet. I get the sense that what she wants is for everyone to pray for her, praise and honor and compliment her, send her money and gifts and buy her things, and especially, not to discuss the details of the case.

Anyway, long-winded way of saying, great post N2N.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


Great post, N2N. I have only followed one other case, ever, and that was OJ Simpson.

The compelling part for me was catching a snipped on the evening news of a woman adamant about her husband's affections and intent. Then hearing a few nights, or maybe it was a week later, the famous statement about "this baby won't have a father" and "these kids won't have a daddy." It seemed like such a fairy-tale marriage, which one does not come across in everyday life, and it piqued my interest.

I think I understand the exaggerations a bit better now, but I sure wish the case weren't so captivating, because it takes way too much time to follow the boards and search the internet. And I believe more and more that Nicholas is OK, somewhere, not wanting to be found.

I just keep watching, hoping to be validated, and that's what keeps me interested. Although I feel sorry for CF, I think she has a need for attention and control that will never be satisfied on the internet. I get the sense that what she wants is for everyone to pray for her, praise and honor and compliment her, send her money and gifts and buy her things, and especially, not to discuss the details of the case.

Anyway, long-winded way of saying, great post N2N. [/*]

Probably a trademark infringement to use this phrase, but "I Xerox You"

(has that ever been used in the history of msg boards? LOL)

[figritout]

Originally posted by field of snow



Harlett --

Are you able to answer yes or no if what she's doing "behind the scenes" is the reason why she hasn't put a Missing Flyer picture on her own Flickr and his Flickr and her Myspace and Blog?

I don't see a logical reason not to do that, but at this point... [/*]

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by field of snow



Harlett --

Are you able to answer yes or no if what she's doing "behind the scenes" is the reason why she hasn't put a Missing Flyer picture on her own Flickr and his Flickr and her Myspace and Blog?

I don't see a logical reason not to do that, but at this point... [/*]

I'm going to answer everyone with this one post...

I can't answer many questions... I'm sure when there is some information to be given out it will be. People just need to know that things are being done, just because they are not in the news does not mean it isn't happening.

As for th Flickr and Myspace... Nicholas' picture is on several Missing sites on Myspace.. his photo and story have been put out in bulletins there.. and they have been reposted and sent on. They are getting to thousands of people that way.

The majority of people looking for information will google Nicholas Francisco, the 1st 4 pages are all articles and sites with flyers.. most people will find the information they want on the first 2 pages.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Wow, great post -- very heartfelt and insightful. And I totally agree.

I haven't followed a missing person's case like this before myself, except there was one about 10 years ago and that is a long story that would best be left to a PM to anyone interested (I will say that the husband did it, Ann Rule later wrote about it, and I myself had been in email correspondence with the guy previous to that for several months, and received an email one day from him that his wife had "disappeared without a clue"... there's more but that's enough for here). So I have been wondering in this case why I have been so compelled to follow this story and try and figure it out. I do think that the efforts here and on other boards have given CF and hopefully LE some things to think about. I don't really expect CF to appreciate that now... maybe in time she will. [/*]

TTT, I feel the same, and as I said in my post, I just feel for this case...deeply. And as you said, feel 'compelled' to follow it.
I saw the first breaking news segment on Nancy Grace and it just caught me. I came over from the Maria Laughtbach board to this one. And just can't let go. I wonder at what the something is that has done that within me,
I agree that our (saying that as collectively) efforts have brought forth many things to think about. Discounting the bashers, nit pickers and baiters. And I also hope that CF will appreciate it...sooner rather than later. And I hope LE is thinking along the same lines as those of us who REALLY are trying to help.
I will pm you.
:)

[need2no]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


Great post, N2N. I have only followed one other case, ever, and that was OJ Simpson.

The compelling part for me was catching a snipped on the evening news of a woman adamant about her husband's affections and intent. Then hearing a few nights, or maybe it was a week later, the famous statement about "this baby won't have a father" and "these kids won't have a daddy." It seemed like such a fairy-tale marriage, which one does not come across in everyday life, and it piqued my interest.

I think I understand the exaggerations a bit better now, but I sure wish the case weren't so captivating, because it takes way too much time to follow the boards and search the internet. And I believe more and more that Nicholas is OK, somewhere, not wanting to be found.

I just keep watching, hoping to be validated, and that's what keeps me interested. Although I feel sorry for CF, I think she has a need for attention and control that will never be satisfied on the internet. I get the sense that what she wants is for everyone to pray for her, praise and honor and compliment her, send her money and gifts and buy her things, and especially, not to discuss the details of the case.

Anyway, long-winded way of saying, great post N2N. [/*]

Thanks SE, you put it all quite well yourself and did it in so few words as compared to my rambling attempt at sharing my thoughts. :)

I followed one missing child case daily for over a year, and the child has never been found to date. In fact I still read and occassionally post on his thread. After a year or so following the case I had to leave the boards for a long time, it was really starting to effect me in a bad way. Checking the board in the morning before work, at work when I could, at lunch, after work, into the wee hours of the morning, on weekends for hours discussing the strange case full of twists and turns and always hoping for good news that sadly never came. It is so addictive and in these mp cases heartbreaking. And yes, I think we all want validation what we believe happened is correct. I also think it is human nature to just plain want to know what happened, to have all our questions answered, for our own sense of closure... or in my case I just NEED TO KNOW. :biggrin:

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I'm going to answer everyone with this one post...

I can't answer many questions... I'm sure when there is some information to be given out it will be. People just need to know that things are being done, just because they are not in the news does not mean it isn't happening.

As for th Flickr and Myspace... Nicholas' picture is on several Missing sites on Myspace.. his photo and story have been put out in bulletins there.. and they have been reposted and sent on. They are getting to thousands of people that way.

The majority of people looking for information will google Nicholas Francisco, the 1st 4 pages are all articles and sites with flyers.. most people will find the information they want on the first 2 pages. [/*]

Thank you Harlett!

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by need2no


Thank you Harlett! [/*]

You are welcome N2N... I'm going to go check 'Anna' and then off to bed. :seeya:

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You are welcome N2N... I'm going to go check 'Anna' and then off to bed. :seeya: [/*]

I just did that :D , and I'm heading to bed myself. Keeping up with two cases is exhausting, I don't know how you do what you do and keep your sanity!

:seeya:

Night all!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


The compelling part for me was catching a snipped on the evening news of a woman adamant about her husband's affections and intent. Then hearing a few nights, or maybe it was a week later, the famous statement about "this baby won't have a father" and "these kids won't have a daddy." It seemed like such a fairy-tale marriage, which one does not come across in everyday life, and it piqued my interest.

I think I understand the exaggerations a bit better now, but I sure wish the case weren't so captivating, because it takes way too much time to follow the boards and search the internet. And I believe more and more that Nicholas is OK, somewhere, not wanting to be found.
[/*]


Ditto (or Xerox as FoS said?!) on the "way too much time". I also believe that he is OK -- or at least not "murdered". I hope we're right.

I think it was the picture perfect family, the handsome young man, and of course the fact that it occurred right here in my own area, that has captivated me the most. Oh, all the red flags like the almost immediate need for $$, the obsessive telethon (I can't remember who used that word first but it sure fits!) of round-the-clock Etsy support, Christine's dramatic way of communicating, and all the info and comments online that really has kept it going for me. And finding this board of course.

Four weeks tonight. I sure feel for Christine, their kids, and his family and friends.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by field of snow


Probably a trademark infringement to use this phrase, but "I Xerox You"

(has that ever been used in the history of msg boards? LOL) [/*]

I don't know if it has been used...but LOL, good one!!

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You are welcome N2N... I'm going to go check 'Anna' and then off to bed. :seeya: [/*]

Good nite Harlett, thanks for your insight and sharing, have a good nite, sleep well.
:seeya:

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by need2no


I just did that :D , and I'm heading to bed myself. Keeping up with two cases is exhausting, I don't know how you do what you do and keep your sanity!

:seeya:

Night all! [/*]

Night need2no, sleep well
:seeya:

[invreporter1105]

Hmm. A lot of strange mishaps must have taken place in the Francisco household over a three day period back in February 2007.

Read
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156925559&blogID=232317784

Just coincidence, probably.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees



Ditto (or Xerox as FoS said?!) on the "way too much time". I also believe that he is OK -- or at least not "murdered". I hope we're right.

I think it was the picture perfect family, the handsome young man, and of course the fact that it occurred right here in my own area, that has captivated me the most. Oh, all the red flags like the almost immediate need for $$, the obsessive telethon (I can't remember who used that word first but it sure fits!) of round-the-clock Etsy support, Christine's dramatic way of communicating, and all the info and comments online that really has kept it going for me. And finding this board of course.

Four weeks tonight. I sure feel for Christine, their kids, and his family and friends. [/*]

So agree TTT, maybe that's what captivated me too.
I continue to pray and hope that he is ok. Will not give up doing so until there is proof otherwise.
Four weeks, OMG! I can hardly believe that much time has passed.
PS-I pm'd you.

[Oregongal]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
Hmm. A lot of strange mishaps must have taken place in the Francisco household over a three day period back in February 2007.

Read
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156925559&blogID=232317784

Just coincidence, probably. [/*]

Thanks for this link invreporter,
I will check it out...but for now I have to say good night....
last night I had a backache, tonight I have a headache.
Need to get to sleep somehow.
Good night all, see you tomorrow.
:seeya:
:rose: Prayers for the Francisco family

[threesnugbugs]

Originally posted by invreporter1105
Hmm. A lot of strange mishaps must have taken place in the Francisco household over a three day period back in February 2007.

Read
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=156925559&blogID=232317784

Just coincidence, probably. [/*]

that just doesn't sound right...hmm...