Wednesday . . . 3-12-08 . . . a.m. [Archive]

henry

03-12-2008, 06:12 AM

god morning . . . sorry i'm getting such a late start & haven't read all of last nite's thread . . . okay, crap - i overslept!

thanks to all who posted articles/videos on the newest news: "WASHINGTON -- An Ohio Congressman says there are many unanswered questions in the case of a marine murdered at Camp Lejeune last year -- including why a suspected murderer's wife is now on active military duty.
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-03-11-0020.html

also . . . does anyone remember (or have working links) as to the rationale for blurring out xtina's face? looking for articles & comments other than the posters' expert analysis of this on this board :) thanks

edit: hope to have the suggested question list ready to post today . . . as i mentioned previously there were tons of questions and to help captain rick sutherland "stay on topic" the ? have been organized, grouped, consolidated by: maria, cesar, xtina, laurean's house and other. also, fair warning - there were some cuts to the list to make it manageable for captain s . . . but if you feel very strongly about any omissions, just pm me - thanks!

martha

03-12-2008, 06:49 AM

I have not been on here for over a week and I was just checking in to see if by chance thay had caught cl guess not. I am afraid they will never catch him I hope I am wrong. thanks Henry for all you do on this board.:rose:

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 07:56 AM

Good morning all. I left before the suing the govt. thing came up, but i thought this link may provide some insight into maria's family suing the mc....http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Feres+Doctrine

Kel65

03-12-2008, 09:01 AM

Interesting to see who the JD news has referenced in an article yesterday regarding Congressman Turner. JMO but I always tended to think that she did in fact know Maria.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

henry

03-12-2008, 09:14 AM

good morning kel65 . . . i'm on the jd website now trying to figure out who you're talking about . . . but in reading a prior article . . . glad to see they're gender neutral . . . of all quotes to put in the paper :eek:

"This case has drawn more scrutiny and more attention from the media and the public, but this is what our guys and girls are trained for and prepared for," Sutherland said
http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html

edit . . . oh, now i see who you're talking about!!!!! wow!!!!!!

Kel65

03-12-2008, 09:17 AM

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Quote from JD News
"The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed."

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
Interesting to see who the JD news has referenced in an article yesterday regarding Congressman Turner. JMO but I always tended to think that she did in fact know Maria.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html [/*]

Oh ITA.

:)

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Oh ITA.

:) [/*]

There was never a doubt in my mind.

martha

03-12-2008, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Poor Martha, you sound so depressed. Cheeri up, they will get him eventually. Not to worry my dear.

Thanks for he thread henry you are a good egg and no I will not link an egg pic this morning. You know most of the dang egg pics were copyrighted? Jeez. I had to sift through a boatload.

Busy day coming up so I won't be posting until later today. Please solve the case while I am gone today!!!! :D

:seeya:
AB [/*]Thanks AB I guess you or right they will get him one day. so they were dating before the rape charge? I have a feeling there is a lot we don;t know about this case. No matter what it is I just wish ml and her baby did not have to die. death is so final. no going back:rose:

Maka

03-12-2008, 09:32 AM

Gaelicpeas, you asked last night about next of kin being executor.....an executor is someone named in a will to settle the estate and there are some differences in the law and how it applies to them.....but anyhow...

This Ohio Bar publication states the court does prefer a relative to be an *administrator*, which is the term for the person who is settling an estate of someone who died without a will.
http://downloads.ohiobar.org/pub/journalists/legalhandbook/osba_handbook_section_08.pdf

Because Maria's estate is being probated in Ohio, the administrator is required to live in Ohio by law....so Maria's mom or dad would be the best fit.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2109.21

moo

Hope that helps!

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 09:34 AM

Thanks, Maka!

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Thanks, mw5!

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Quote from JD News
"The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed." [/*]

I found her to be credible and had a few other chats with her during the course of the past month. She knew what she was permitted to address in public and what she was not permitted to address. She had been advised by LE. I gave Lindell Kay some of the information and he said every last drop was confirmed by LE. :shrug:

See, these will be the sticking points with the family. Remember Mary is on video addressing some of this and it's very contradictory and shows Mary was being told one story, but it wasn't the truth IMHO.

I believe Maria didn't want her family to know she had a relationship with Cesar and that may very well be a motive for allegations made IF she was feeling like she was pregnant but testing negative. :shrug: We just don't know.

JMO. :patriot:

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by martha
Thanks AB I guess you or right they will get him one day. so they were dating before the rape charge? I have a feeling there is a lot we don;t know about this case. No matter what it is I just wish ml and her baby did not have to die. death is so final. no going back:rose: [/*]

Absolutely Martha, there is just no reason on earth for two lives to be taken with one never even getting the opportunity to draw a breath. :(

I too believe there is much more we don't know and do so wish Cesar Laurean would turn himself in and start talking.

JMO.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 09:45 AM

So it has been verified she had a will and it is being probated in Ohio?

I better go back and read yesterday's thread again. TIA. :seeya:

Kel65

03-12-2008, 09:49 AM

I found info regarding her estate on the Mongtomery County Clerk of the Court site. Is it okay to post the link?

It indicates that she didn't have a will and that Mary is in charge of her estate.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
I found info regarding her estate on the Mongtomery County Clerk of the Court site. Is it okay to post the link?

It indicates that she didn't have a will and that Mary is in charge of her estate. [/*]

It's a public record, correct Kel?:)

If so, then yes.

jmo

caejde

03-12-2008, 09:51 AM

Good morning everyone. Have to catch up with last night's thread.

henry...if I am not mistaken-and I could be-it was said that Christina's face was blurred out because she is a cooperating witness and they dont' feel it necessary to publish her picture. But if anythign were to change, like she becomes a suspect, then her picture would not longer be blurred.

caejde

03-12-2008, 09:53 AM

Yea I better read too. Most 20 year old's don't have wills. But I know a will is required for the Family Care Plan.

Kel65

03-12-2008, 09:54 AM

What I found regarding Maria's estate is public record. I clicked a button that said public records online to get to it.

http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgomery/government/probate/prodcfm/casesearch_actionall.cfm

Hopefully, this link will take you to it.

Maka

03-12-2008, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

So it has been verified she had a will and it is being probated in Ohio?

I better go back and read yesterday's thread again. TIA. :seeya: [/*]

OK

The style of the case says there's no will but the first docket entry states there is...then another entry says no will.

I'll e-mail the clerk and see what's up with that.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by caejde
Good morning everyone. Have to catch up with last night's thread.

henry...if I am not mistaken-and I could be-it was said that Christina's face was blurred out because she is a cooperating witness and they don't' feel it necessary to publish her picture. But if anything were to change, like she becomes a suspect, then her picture would not longer be blurred. [/*]

I still find it odd. I remember in the Scott Dyleski case his mother was a cooperating witness that had agreed to testify against him for the State and her pictures were out in the media everywhere.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Kel65
What I found regarding Maria's estate is public record. I clicked a button that said public records online to get to it.

http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgomery/government/probate/prodcfm/casesearch_actionall.cfm

Hopefully, this link will take you to it. [/*]

I'm not getting it Kel, and it might be my connection today. IF I can't get it soon, I'll try going in thru the main directory.

Please check your PM's. TIA. :)

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I still find it odd. I remember in the Scott Dyleski case his mother was a cooperating witness that had agreed to testify against him for the State and her pictures were out in the media everywhere.

imoo [/*]

When I asked Lindell Kay about JDN and their policy he was quick to tell me they were not told or asked not to put a picture out there.

He did say that they had a meeting and voted. They try to preserve the relationship they have with the military at CLJ and felt at this time to keep pics out was the best thing. He said if her status changes, that will be a whole different story.

JMO :seeya: Good morning GB.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:03 AM

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

When I asked Lindell Kay about JDN and their policy he was quick to tell me they were not told or asked not to put a picture out there.

He did say that they had a meeting and voted. They try to preserve the relationship they have with the military at CLJ and felt at this time to keep pics out was the best thing. He said if her status changes, that will be a whole different story.

JMO :seeya: Good morning GB. [/*]

Good Morning Candy!:seeya:

They must have the original photo and will only let the other new sites have the one that is blurred out.

It may also have something to do with her being an active duty Marine.

imoo

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 10:10 AM

They haven't shown Durham's picture either. And once the Lowe's video was corrected (Cesar unblurred & the other man blurred), Lowe's guy hasn't been shown again either.

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 10:14 AM

O/T but there was a blurb on Fox just now that there *might* have been an arrest in the CHill (Eve Carson) case. On News14, they said that some guy was brought in surrounded by massive numbers of CHPD (police were wearing bullet proof vests). They have not yet confirmed that this is indeed the suspect, stressing the word *might*.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
They haven't shown Durham's picture either. And once the Lowe's video was corrected (Cesar unblurred & the other man blurred), Lowe's guy hasn't been shown again either. [/*]

I agree, never did see DD other than myspace.

I hope it's good news down there Cryme. :patriot:

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by old_lady

There are no other "witnesses" talking and I find that curious. Durham or the guy in Lowe's are not making any statements anywhere to my knowledge.
Only this one "witness" is talking anywhere.

jmoo [/*]

:shrug: She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO.

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I always felt that others would know much more about what was really going on between Maria and Cesar. I am glad that LE has confirmed it through several people they have now located.

imoo [/*]

IIRC at the very beginning of this case, a friend of Maria's gave a statement that Maria told her she had a relationship with laurean, they had consensual sex. After a period of time she broke it off. I don't see anything new. Maria
never hid the fact that she had a relationship with laurean BEFORE HE RAPED HER. IMO.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
O/T but there was a blurb on Fox just now that there *might* have been an arrest in the CHill (Eve Carson) case. On News14, they said that some guy was brought in surrounded by massive numbers of CHPD (police were wearing bullet proof vests). They have not yet confirmed that this is indeed the suspect, stressing the word *might*. [/*]

Sounds promising........

I sure hope it is him.

At least he will be off the streets however another is out there that will take his place.

I think we are going to see an escalation in these type of crimes, unfortunately.

imoo

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

:shrug: She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO. [/*]

:eek: You've completely forgotten about Wanda!

(Also Richard Alander and Malo Menard). All of them have spoken out and weren't even blurred.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

IIRC at the very beginning of this case, a friend of Maria's gave a statement that Maria told her she had a relationship with laurean, they had consensual sex. After a period of time she broke it off. I don't see anything new. Maria
never hid the fact that she had a relationship with laurean BEFORE HE RAPED HER. IMO. [/*]

According to the video that Lynn put out last week, Mary stated emphatically she had no relationship and not even going out socially with the person she accused of raping her.

JMO. :shrug:

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

:eek: You've completely forgotten about Wanda!

(Also Richard Alander and Malo Menard). All of them have spoken out and weren't even blurred. [/*]

Good grief Cryme, how could I forget them?

YES INDEED, they have information RELEVANT to the case IMHO. :eek:

caejde

03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Wanted to bring over something else that was posted last night. I know strick answered it but wanted to add my own 2 cents.

Every meeting that I ever went to in the Marines we were NEVER seated by ABC order. It was sit where you can. Even when we would have company and unit briefings in the base theater...it was sit where you can. At the Marine Corps ball you buy your own ticket and you choose where you sit. And you see who is already sitting where. (at least in my unit). As for any type of formations, the platoon sergeant is in front of the platoon, and then it goes in order based on rank. So Maria and Cesar would not have been next to each other in formation either. My opinion of course.

I also believe Lt. Col Hill did say they filed the DD553 to list Maria as a deserter. But even as a deserter, they don't come looking for you. It is just sent to law enforcement agencies letting them know.

I know there was something else but I forget now.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

:shrug: She is not a witness to anyone covering up a murder or to contact with Maria on December 14th. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I think she provided details more relevant to the early stages of a relationship IMO.

Lisa could speak out IIRC. She chose to be shadowed for personal reasons from what I remember.

JMO. [/*]

I am sure Lisa has been interviewed by LE also. LE are very good at finding out who is being interviewed by what they say even if their faces are shadowed out and Lisa said their relationship began in December 06. So the police will go through each person to find out more and more information.

imoo

caejde

03-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by old_lady

Only in the very beginning which is when most neighbors say something to the media from what I have seen on news reports. They are not continuing to speak out and are not on message boards that I have seen.

jmoo [/*]

I doubt Jennifer Renna is still speaking to the media. They are probably still using her initial interview that was done...same as Wanda and the others.

And we dont' know what Wanda and them are saying. They could be posting on the JD news site for all we know.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by caejde
Wanted to bring over something else that was posted last night. I know strick answered it but wanted to add my own 2 cents.

Every meeting that I ever went to in the Marines we were NEVER seated by ABC order. It was sit where you can. Even when we would have company and unit briefings in the base theater...it was sit where you can. At the Marine Corps ball you buy your own ticket and you choose where you sit. And you see who is already sitting where. (at least in my unit). As for any type of formations, the platoon sergeant is in front of the platoon, and then it goes in order based on rank. So Maria and Cesar would not have been next to each other in formation either. My opinion of course.

I also believe Lt. Col Hill did say they filed the DD553 to list Maria as a deserter. But even as a deserter, they don't come looking for you. It is just sent to law enforcement agencies letting them know.

I know there was something else but I forget now. [/*]

I tried to stay out of that, but my hubby was rolling his eyes on that one. He said anything like that used to be done in the boot camp process. I guess it's possible, but WOW, it sounds ludicrous IMO.

Time will tell.

I felt they were doing what they could at that time.

EVEN THO I AM AN ADVOCATE of any pregnant woman who takes off at a late stage in pregnancy getting an amber alert, I know it's not a popular position.

Many women living in abuse run when they can and it could be you run in late stages of pregnancy. :shrug:

However, with the things that were coming out, I felt if there was a viable fetus and Maria wasn't thinking clearly, an Amber Alert might have helped. JMO tho.

donna

03-12-2008, 10:37 AM

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

According to the video that Lynn put out last week, Mary stated emphatically she had no relationship and not even going out socially with the person she accused of raping her.

JMO. :shrug: [/*]

That is exactly what was said.

I don't think Maria told her mom about the consensual sex part or that she had been having a relationship with him right before the allegations came forward.:shrug:

It doesn't even seem that Mary even knew that Maria's due date had been changed to February. I think there are many things Maria didn't tell her family.

imoo

donna

03-12-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That is exactly what was said.

I don't think Maria told her mom about the consensual sex part or that she had been having a relationship with him right before the allegations came forward.:shrug:

It doesn't even seem that Mary even knew that Maria's due date had been changed to February. I think there are many things Maria didn't tell her family.

imoo [/*]

ITA
It really seems to be that way, doesn't it, GB?

caejde

03-12-2008, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I tried to stay out of that, but my hubby was rolling his eyes on that one. He said anything like that used to be done in the boot camp process. I guess it's possible, but WOW, it sounds ludicrous IMO.

Time will tell.

I felt they were doing what they could at that time.

EVEN THO I AM AN ADVOCATE of any pregnant woman who takes off at a late stage in pregnancy getting an amber alert, I know it's not a popular position.

Many women living in abuse run when they can and it could be you run in late stages of pregnancy. :shrug:

However, with the things that were coming out, I felt if there was a viable fetus and Maria wasn't thinking clearly, an Amber Alert might have helped. JMO tho. [/*]

I think something similiar to an Amber Alert should be issued as well. Just yesterday there was a Silver Alert issued in Raleigh for a young girl that was thought to have dementia. A Silver Alert is for people that have Alzheimers or other illnesses like that. So, it's something that should be looked at.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by old_lady

Only in the very beginning which is when most neighbors say something to the media from what I have seen on news reports. They are not continuing to speak out and are not on message boards that I have seen.

jmoo [/*]

They are not speaking out because for almost a month now the media has dropped this case like a hot potato.

I do believe there are many witnesses in this case and that LE have located quite a few with knowledge that will be helpful whether or not they wish to speak out or not about what they know.

imo

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by donna

ITA
It really seems to be that way, doesn't it, GB? [/*]

Morning Donna:seeya:

Yes, it sure does. Mary was under the impression that this married Hispanic man just came along a raped her. It was like she was telling her mother she had no relationship at all with this guy.

I think she did that for self protection and was scared to tell her mom the truth which she was afraid that she would not approve of it.

That is why I have said so often my heart breaks for Maria.....it was like she had to live double lives and that had to wear on her mentally trying to keep it all straight on what to tell whom.

JMO tho.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by donna

Good morning!

WOW!!! So it is confirmed where Maria was living in the spring of 2007!!

I wonder how Christina feels about this? [/*]

She is probably still seething about it all.

imoo

donna

03-12-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by old_lady
What ever else is happening, while interesting, is not what counts for much.

I don't think this man will be caught for a very long time. I think those of us who are still around at that time will have a hard time remembering who he was and what he did.

All this other hulabaloo will fall by the wayside and be forgotten as time goes by.

Witnesses will be lost and the case will probably be hard to bring to trial unfortunately.

I hope I am wrong.

jmoo [/*]

Good morning, Old!
Well, I am one person who will never forget all that has happened to Maria and Gabriel. Ever.

I find every article extremely interesting. I doubt any witnesses will forget either. Wanda Alander will probably never forget she was living right next door to a murderer and spent from December 14th, 2007 to Jan. 11, 2008 next to a firepit containing Maria and Gabriel! People just do not forget this sort of thing!

strick10

03-12-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Morning Donna:seeya:

Yes, it sure does. Mary was under the impression that this married Hispanic man just came along a raped her. It was like she was telling her mother she had no relationship at all with this guy.

I think she did that for self protection and was scared to tell her mom the truth which she was afraid that she would not approve of it.

That is why I have said so often my heart breaks for Maria.....it was like she had to live double lives and that had to wear on her mentally trying to keep it all straight on what to tell whom.

JMO tho. [/*]

I agree that Maria was probalby living dual lives. That had to have been exhausting for her.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by old_lady

I don't think it does any good to argue about the value of a witness since that is up to the DA. To early in the morning for me to argue.

jmoo [/*]

I don't see anyone arguing and I have my contacts in and have consumed my energy bar too. :D

JMO

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

She is probably still seething about it all.

imoo [/*]

I think she's probably well past that. What with the trauma that has occurred since then, and her main concern now being taking care of her daughter, who has lost her father.

IMO.

donna

03-12-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Morning Donna:seeya:

Yes, it sure does. Mary was under the impression that this married Hispanic man just came along a raped her. It was like she was telling her mother she had no relationship at all with this guy.

I think she did that for self protection and was scared to tell her mom the truth which she was afraid that she would not approve of it.

That is why I have said so often my heart breaks for Maria.....it was like she had to live double lives and that had to wear on her mentally trying to keep it all straight on what to tell whom.

JMO tho. [/*]

GB, I totally agree. How awful it must have been for Maria. Mary does need to be prepared to accept whatever may unfold in this case. I have tremendous sympathy for all of Maria's family, but truth has to come out.

Maria had to be under unimaginable stress.

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 11:03 AM

IMO only but I think that Christina had planned to leave with Cesar all along. I think from 12/14 on, they were preparing that house for sale and hoped that any traces of Maria's body were long destroyed before police came knocking.

If it weren't for that pesky reactivation, I have no doubt that she would be gone by now too.

As I say, jmo and all that.

strick10

03-12-2008, 11:03 AM

donna

03-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by strick10

I agree that Maria was probalby living dual lives. That had to have been exhausting for her. [/*]

Morning, strick10!

Yes, it had to have been. I just cannot imagine the torment Maria went through in her mind over what to do and what to say.

I am even more heartsick for Maria and I did not think that was possible!

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by caejde

I think something similiar to an Amber Alert should be issued as well. Just yesterday there was a Silver Alert issued in Raleigh for a young girl that was thought to have dementia. A Silver Alert is for people that have Alzheimers or other illnesses like that. So, it's something that should be looked at. [/*]

ITA cajede. :patriot:

donna

03-12-2008, 11:06 AM

:seeya:

Sami!!! It is great to 'see' you!

strick10

03-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by donna

Morning, strick10!

Yes, it had to have been. I just cannot imagine the torment Maria went through in her mind over what to do and what to say.

I am even more heartsick for Maria and I did not think that was possible! [/*]

Morning Donna :seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I think she's probably well past that. What with the trauma that has occurred since then, and her main concern now being taking care of her daughter, who has lost her father.

IMO. [/*]

I don't know if that is true or not.......she may still blame Maria for coming into their lives. Women can think some very strange things when it comes to their man and what he has done.

I personally think she is still in love with him and even if she thinks he did murder Maria she may think it was because of her and their marriage. This woman staid right by his side when he was accused of rape. She staid right by his side when that woman became pregnant and said the child belonged to her husband. She went with him to the attorney's office knowing that he had buried Maria.

I think she still cares about him and I dont think she would have ever told what she knew if she had not had the notes he purposefully left behind for her to give LE.

imoo

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Sami

I don't think anyone doubted that ****** knew Maria, since it was she who gave us the name of Maria's ex-boyfriend, and since it was HE who was actually living at the ****** home in Spring 2007 and Maria stayed there with him. I asked ****** that question directly and she answered it.

What posters here had a problem with was the inference from ****** that she and Maria were friends and yet ****** posted (IMO) very UNfriendly references about Maria.

I felt it was entirely just as plausible that ****** and Maria were NOT friends, as that they WERE friends -- reading between the lines of ******'s posts and judging the fact that she so readily was discussing Maria, not in a positive way, imo, on a public message board just shortly after such a horrible death and mutilation of Maria and the Baby.

Something did not seem appropriate with the supposed friendship, imo, which is why I wrote to the ex-boyfriend (whose name we all got from ******).

The ex-boyfriend said that ****** was a back-stabber and should not be believed, that everyone who came in contact with her soon realized that, etc. (paraphrased by me).

So, we are left with a conundrum:

Do we believe ****** knew Maria? Of course we do, since she was right about the ex-boyfriend and their 'living together' situation.

Do we believe ****** is telling the 'unbiased' truth about a close friend, openly calling her a liar on a public message board -- or do we believe the ex-boyfriend, who spoke very highly of Maria and gave a dire warning about trusting anything ****** has to say?
I guess we're divided on that one. . . . :shrug:

This is all just My Opinion and is not to be taken as factual, since I can't share a link to the MySpace comments made by the ex-boyfriend. [/*]

If you type her name you won't get stars.

Anyway, she was also the one who said that Maria was planning on trying out for the MC soccer team. That's not backstabbing is it?

Or is it only backstabbing and not flattering when one doesn't agree with her statements?

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Sami

SNIPPED.

This is all just My Opinion and is not to be taken as factual, since I can't share a link to the MySpace comments made by the ex-boyfriend. [/*]

I don't think LE was relying on Mrs. Renner for anything that wasn't factual in nature and I do believe the information was confirmed with others.

They weren't interested in her feelings, they wanted to know what she knew and what others might know IMO.

Captain Sutherland has answered about there being contact before Maria went to Cesar's house and I think we will also find out more about a previous relationship.

JMO tho.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

If you type her name you won't get stars.

Anyway, she was also the one who said that Maria was planning on trying out for the MC soccer team. That's not backstabbing is it?

Or is it only backstabbing and not flattering when one doesn't agree with her statements? [/*]

hammer You may have hit the nail on the head. :o

jmo

Again, I think they were seeking facts as far as LE, but we were asking other questions that involved feelings and/or emotion IMO.

martha

03-12-2008, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Morning Donna:seeya:

Yes, it sure does. Mary was under the impression that this married Hispanic man just came along a raped her. It was like she was telling her mother she had no relationship at all with this guy.

I think she did that for self protection and was scared to tell her mom the truth which she was afraid that she would not approve of it.

That is why I have said so often my heart breaks for Maria.....it was like she had to live double lives and that had to wear on her mentally trying to keep it all straight on what to tell whom.

JMO tho. [/*]ITA I don;t think ml told her mother all about cl and that she was seeing him and maybe she was scared her mother would not understand her getting preg by a married man jmoo sometimes girls don;t feel like they have anyone to share these things with.:rose:

martha

03-12-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't know if that is true or not.......she may still blame Maria for coming into their lives. Women can think some very strange things when it comes to their man and what he has done.

I personally think she is still in love with him and even if she thinks he did murder Maria she may think it was because of her and their marriage. This woman staid right by his side when he was accused of rape. She staid right by his side when that woman became pregnant and said the child belonged to her husband. She went with him to the attorney's office knowing that he had buried Maria.

I think she still cares about him and I dont think she would have ever told what she knew if she had not had the notes he purposefully left behind for her to give LE.

imoo [/*] I think you or total right about this just because someone does you wrong does not cause you to stop loving that person. if you really love someone you will take a lot of stuff from them.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:15 AM

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Sami

I don't think anyone doubted that ****** knew Maria, since it was she who gave us the name of Maria's ex-boyfriend, and since it was HE who was actually living at the ****** home in Spring 2007 and Maria stayed there with him. I asked ****** that question directly and she answered it.

What posters here had a problem with was the inference from ****** that she and Maria were friends and yet ****** posted (IMO) very UNfriendly references about Maria.

I felt it was entirely just as plausible that ****** and Maria were NOT friends, as that they WERE friends -- reading between the lines of ******'s posts and judging the fact that she so readily was discussing Maria, not in a positive way, imo, on a public message board just shortly after such a horrible death and mutilation of Maria and the Baby.

Something did not seem appropriate with the supposed friendship, imo, which is why I wrote to the ex-boyfriend (whose name we all got from ******).

The ex-boyfriend said that ****** was a back-stabber and should not be believed, that everyone who came in contact with her soon realized that, etc. (paraphrased by me).

So, we are left with a conundrum:

Do we believe ****** knew Maria? Of course we do, since she was right about the ex-boyfriend and their 'living together' situation.

Do we believe ****** is telling the 'unbiased' truth about a close friend, openly calling her a liar on a public message board -- or do we believe the ex-boyfriend, who spoke very highly of Maria and gave a dire warning about trusting anything ****** has to say?
I guess we're divided on that one. . . . :shrug:

This is all just My Opinion and is not to be taken as factual, since I can't share a link to the MySpace comments made by the ex-boyfriend. [/*]

Great to see you again.

Well it seems LE have verified all of her story and it is legitimate and even she said there were things she couldn't say as they had advised her not to do so. So LE has even more information imo.

I wouldn't expect any thing different from the ex-boyfriend. Jenna
was very blunt and said he was a lot like Laurean. So I don't take his statement as truthful but only trying to strike back about her opinion of him.

I didn't see anything demeaning to Maria. Maria was a human being and made mistakes.........and when asked questions directly about certain things Jenna did not sugarcoat the answers. That doesn't mean she is a liar or wasn't Maria's friend. Friends except friends for what they are .........warts and all.

I find her quite open and honest. It was be careful what you ask her because Jenna was going to answer it and some may not like the answers to the questions.

imoo

caejde

03-12-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Sami, this is where the idea of dating comes from IMO.

So where does the idea of Maria living with an ex-boyfriend come from or did I misunderstand your post? TIA:seeya: [/*]

Not Sami but I remember when J was posting here, she said that Maria's boyfriend lived with her and her husband and that Maria stayed there as well.

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

If you type her name you won't get stars.

Anyway, she was also the one who said that Maria was planning on trying out for the MC soccer team. That's not backstabbing is it?

Or is it only backstabbing and not flattering when one doesn't agree with her statements? [/*]

and we have no proof that the ex is any more reliable. jmo

caejde

03-12-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by marinewife5

and we have no proof that the ex is any more reliable. jmo [/*]

:seeya: Hey stranger! Where ya been?

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by caejde

Not Sami but I remember when J was posting here, she said that Maria's boyfriend lived with her and her husband and that Maria stayed there as well. [/*]

I remembered something about the ex-boyfriend, but also her describing it like a flop house. JMO.

Thanks Caejde. :seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by martha
I think you or total right about this just because someone does you wrong does not cause you to stop loving that person. if you really love someone you will take a lot of stuff from them. [/*]

You just brighten my day, Martha, when I see you on line.:rose:

I hope you and your family are doing well.

Yes, we can never judge how the heart and mind is going to look at things in our lives.

imoo:seeya:

Maka

03-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Sorry to duplicate if I did.....the time change is killing my brain

http://www.wwaytv3.com/onslow_county_investigators_are_now_broadening_the ir_search_for_corporal_cesar_laurean/03/2008

"Sutherland said, "There's no way that we can put a time table on exactly when we believe that he will be captured but we do have relevant information that we think is going to lead to his capture. " "

Oh, my! sounds good!

Howiefan

03-12-2008, 11:23 AM

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by caejde

:seeya: Hey stranger! Where ya been? [/*]

hectic schedule. i have my priorities in order this morning, hence, i'm here

donna

03-12-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by martha
ITA I don;t think ml told her mother all about cl and that she was seeing him and maybe she was scared her mother would not understand her getting preg by a married man jmoo sometimes girls don;t feel like they have anyone to share these things with.:rose: [/*]

I know, Martha, and that is so sad!

caejde

03-12-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by marinewife5

hectic schedule. i have my priorities in order this morning, hence, i'm here [/*]

Good I'm glad!!

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I remembered something about the ex-boyfriend, but also her describing it like a flop house. JMO.

Thanks Caejde. :seeya: [/*]

Didn't she say there were about 5 people hanging out over there all the time?

That leaves many right there to corroborate her story.

imoo

donna

03-12-2008, 11:30 AM

***respectively snipped***

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sami

It seems kinda unfair to Maria to keep posting as if we KNOW what kind of 'relationship' she had with Cesar. It could have been heavy flirting, or it could have been seeing him out at bars or pool halls, which led to his asking for a ride from Maria, etc.

Oh, Sami, you have no idea how much I would like to agree with you on this, but as Maria did not know Cesar was married, I do feel they had a dating relationship.

I also think it must have hurt Maria very much to find that Cesar was married. He had to have misled her big time!

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Sami

*snipped*

I know some of you seem to be wanting the truth to be more disparaging, and thus, seem to believe those he said/she saids who place Maria somewhat in the position of being somehow to blame for the atrocities that occurred to her and Gabriel.

And I know that some of us are wanting the truth to be more in favor of Maria being a heroine who was possibly 'hit on' by a married man who knew how to take advantage of her and was able to sexually assault her, impregnate her, kill her and the Baby, desecrate her and the Baby, and still have some of us doubt that it would have ever happened if Maria had only been more believable. . . . .:shrug:

I guess we all can see the truth from our own perspective -- it's just what we choose to want to see, imo. [/*]

I couldn't disagree with you more.

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Sami

Every time that 'Feres Doctrine' is mentioned, it makes me feel terribly sad for our military guys and gals.

Something that should be used to protect, is being subtly used to kill or maim, simply by no oversight, imo.

Every entity needs oversight, imo. This Youtube link tells a small part of how this 'Doctrine' is being used against our military heroes in their fight for fair treatment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l7BObKkb5Q [/*]

Very sad. Good to see you Sami!!!

:seeya:

donna

03-12-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Maka
Sorry to duplicate if I did.....the time change is killing my brain

http://www.wwaytv3.com/onslow_county_investigators_are_now_broadening_the ir_search_for_corporal_cesar_laurean/03/2008

"Sutherland said, "There's no way that we can put a time table on exactly when we believe that he will be captured but we do have relevant information that we think is going to lead to his capture. " "

Oh, my! sounds good! [/*]

It sure does, Maka!
I would just give ANYTHING for it to be very soon - today would be good!

:D

Maka

03-12-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by donna

It sure does, Maka!
I would just give ANYTHING for it to be very soon - today would be good!

:D [/*]

:seeya: Donna
This gives me so much hope!!! I'm stoked!

donna

03-12-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Maka

:seeya: Donna
This gives me so much hope!!! I'm stoked! [/*]

:D

bkwits

03-12-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Sami

I respectfully disagree, GB. I think every poster here wants honest answers, every last one of us.

But I think when there's a 'he said/she said', and NO ONE here can know the full extent of the truth of what JR is saying or what SG (the supposed ex-boyfriend) is saying, then when the victim is deceased and can no longer speak for herself, in my opinion it is better to err on the side of believing in the inherent goodness and veracity of the now silent victim.

I know some of you seem to be wanting the truth to be more disparaging, and thus, seem to believe those he said/she saids who place Maria somewhat in the position of being somehow to blame for the atrocities that occurred to her and Gabriel.

And I know that some of us are wanting the truth to be more in favor of Maria being a heroine who was possibly 'hit on' by a married man who knew how to take advantage of her and was able to sexually assault her, impregnate her, kill her and the Baby, desecrate her and the Baby, and still have some of us doubt that it would have ever happened if Maria had only been more believable. . . . .:shrug:

I guess we all can see the truth from our own perspective -- it's just what we choose to want to see, imo. [/*]

:seeya: Mornin' Sami
Glad to see you back.

donna

03-12-2008, 11:46 AM

:seeya: ... Glad you are here, marinewife5!

I think I know what your priorities are going to be when CAL is captured! You will be right here in great company celebrating!!

:D

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Howiefan

Mary is not Maria though.. and Mary was just stating what she knew..

jmo [/*]

IIRC, she stated she questioned Maria. I'll go look for the link. :seeya:

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Sami

Maybe your clarity has been blinded by rug fibers, Cryme.

JK :seeya: [/*]

:lol: THIS is why many of us have missed you so!

BTW, do we really need a house to fall on us to understand that Coldwater has made herself very clear in that JR is not to be discussed on this board?

All her posts are gone and therefore not subject to verification. IIRC, she was no friend to Maria in what she posted and I'm glad she's gone.

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by strick10

I'd like to think that the daughter was abandoned by her father. [/*]

Oh ITA, strick, but regardless of HOW it happened, she lost her father.

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by donna
:seeya: ... Glad you are here, marinewife5!

I think I know what your priorities are going to be when CAL is captured! You will be right here in great company celebrating!!

:D [/*]

i have even choreographed a special dance for the occasion:beer:

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 11:49 AM

I understand your concept, Sami.

However Maria doesn't have to be perfect in my eyes or put in a pristine light imo. She and Gabriel were victims of a brutal murder they absolutely did not deserve and whether Maria was Lilly White or not makes no difference to me. I want justice for them and justice comes when all the truth is known no matter what it may be.

I know of no one that wants the facts to be more disparaging toward Maria and I find that highly offensive, Sami, that you would even say such a dreadful thing. The truth IS WHAT IT IS..pretty or not.

What I want is the actual truth and ALL the facts and they don't have to make Maria into a Fairy Princess for me to want full justice for her and Gabriel..

I don't know what the big deal is anyway. Mary already said that Maria would lie when backed into a corner and could be a compulsive liar at times. I do admit that I find "compulsive" and "occasional" opposites of each other.

There is nothing that I have learned that has changed my mind about wanting justice for Maria and Gabriel.

Are you saying Jenna and the others LE have questioned now have some reason to conspire lies against Maria? Jenna said she didn't even know Laurean that much nor did she like him.:shrug:

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

imo

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

IIRC, she stated she questioned Maria. I'll go look for the link. :seeya: [/*]

What's relevant in this investigation is what Maria told the marine corps, not her Mother. IMO. As far as I can determine by reading all the articles and the mc press conference, she did tell them that she had a consensual relationship with laurean first.

donna

03-12-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by marinewife5

i have even choreographed a special dance for the occasion:beer: [/*]

:D

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

:lol: THIS is why many of us have missed you so!

BTW, do we really need a house to fall on us to understand that Coldwater has made herself very clear in that JR is not to be discussed on this board?

All her posts are gone and therefore not subject to verification. IIRC, she was no friend to Maria in what she posted and I'm glad she's gone. [/*]

This is a newspaper article and it's dated March 11, 2008 and put online at 700 PM last night.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Coldwater has stated the newspaper articles with sources can be used on this forum regarding Mrs. Renna IMO. :shrug:

henry

03-12-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by marinewife5

i have even choreographed a special dance for the occasion:beer: [/*]

let me take a guess at the answer . . . a cancan line . . . upbeat tempo of crymeariver . . . dress optional but must include at least one of the following: britches, capris (preferably white), red heels (how many remember this one?), and one must be carrying the :patriot: . . . did i miss anything :cool: . . . oh, and cancan line is rank line by mensa score.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

What's relevant in this investigation is what Maria told the marine corps, not her Mother. IMO. As far as I can determine by reading all the articles and the mc press conference, she did tell them that she had a consensual relationship with laurean first. [/*]

Who deems what is relevant in an investigation?:confused:

Oh, I forgot, aren't you the poster who doesn't believe Mary when you see her on camera?

I do believe we've done this dance around before. You believe, but your don't believe.....:cool:

JMO

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by henry

let me take a guess at the answer . . . a cancan line . . . upbeat tempo of crymeariver . . . dress optional but must include at least one of the following: britches, capris (preferably white), red heels (how many remember this one?), and one must be carrying the :patriot: . . . did i miss anything :cool: . . . oh, and cancan line is rank line by mensa score. [/*]

i'll be wearing my cloud pjs but y'all are welcome to wear anything you chose:D

this will learn a married man to keep his pants on!

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:02 PM

What is the time frame that Maria was supposed to have had this consensual relationship with Cesar?

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

This is a newspaper article and it's dated March 11, 2008 and put online at 700 PM last night.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Coldwater has stated the newspaper articles with sources can be used on this forum regarding Mrs. Renna IMO. :shrug: [/*]
Then I suggest we stick to the newspaper articles and not the questionable posts she put on this forum.

The marine corps investigators determined what was relevant in their investigation into Maria's rape charge. To answer your question from the previous post.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:09 PM

caejde

03-12-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

If an old lady may say something here about this dilemma, I have read many posts where this poster is called "the poster who can not be named here". Anyway, I think it is the same poster.
I am confused as to if she can be named here or not.

jmoo [/*]

This is what Coldwater had to say on the subject of this former poster. This is from Coldwater herself via an email I sent her. And I have her permission to post this.

I would say if they want to refer to what she says or said to link to the post on her site and NOT USE HER WORDS OR NAME. You are free to paraphrase but state as by "a poster on another site", her name just starts pages of trouble.
Had she been cooperative, not harassing & just discussed as A Juror does on Jensen, there would have been no problem.
As you state we have no way of proving who is who or if what they say is true so we monitor what IS said closely when they claim to know anyone connected with the people being discussed on the forum. If it is extremely personal or does not sound logical or could cause legal problems, the best for all posters concerned is to delete it and replies to it.
TOS clearly state ALL POSTERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR POSTS - our moderating is to protect them from any future
problems their posts may present for them.

I hope this explains it better.
If so you have my permission to copy it to the forum for others to see & maybe stop the confusion.

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 12:11 PM

gotta run to work...i'll be back:seeya:

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5
gotta run to work...i'll be back:seeya: [/*]

bye:seeya: later

caejde

03-12-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5
gotta run to work...i'll be back:seeya: [/*]

See ya!

I gotta go too as I am meeting the hubby for lunch!

Bye!

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Then I suggest we stick to the newspaper articles and not the questionable posts she put on this forum.

The marine corps investigators determined what was relevant in their investigation into Maria's rape charge. To answer your question from the previous post. [/*]

I'm sure you like to see blue, but no need to try and moderate. COLDWATER does a fine job on her own IMO.

I didn't hear them say a word about what was told to Mary being irrelevant. I think the truth lies between Mary and the USMC, and until they collectively sit down and go through some of this, it will remain a mystery with the family. Clearly, as evidenced by the video, Mary didn't have the correct information IMO.

:seeya:

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by caejde

This is what Coldwater had to say on the subject of this former poster. This is from Coldwater herself via an email I sent her. And I have her permission to post this.

[/*]

Caejde, she answered me on the forum about using a newspaper with sources. :shrug: I've sent her a copy of the article and let her know she could contact Mr. Kay and confirm his contact with LE if she still had any questions.

jmo

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I couldn't disagree with you more. [/*]

Me either. TOTALLY.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Sami

I'm sorry you were offended, GB, but don't know why you would be, since several of the posts before mine were referencing that those of us who found JR's posts disrespectful at best (which it is our opinion to state), somehow don't want the full truth to be known.

That is NOT true and is a disservice to many posters here who have spent hours posting and trying to understand the full truth. IMO

I don't want to go off topic by arguing this point, though.

I want the whole truth to be known, inasmuch as it needs to be exposed, to find out why Maria and Gabriel died such a horrible death and seemingly no one seemed able to mount a search for them or, after their discovery, why Maria is still being doubted as being truthful and honest about the rape, etc.

Just seems totally unfair to post opinions as if they are facts. Even hearsay is not a fact that is allowed in court.

JMO :shrug: [/*]

Then like in every case that is ever tried Sami, the DA will include all aspects of how these two lives came together before that eventful day.

And you know full well some of these very witnesses that knew the true and full relationship between Maria and Laurean will testify in this case.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Sami

I'm sorry you were offended, GB, but don't know why you would be, since several of the posts before mine were referencing that those of us who found JR's posts disrespectful at best (which it is our opinion to state), somehow don't want the full truth to be known.

That is NOT true and is a disservice to many posters here who have spent hours posting and trying to understand the full truth. IMO

I don't want to go off topic by arguing this point, though.

I want the whole truth to be known, inasmuch as it needs to be exposed, to find out why Maria and Gabriel died such a horrible death and seemingly no one seemed able to mount a search for them or, after their discovery, why Maria is still being doubted as being truthful and honest about the rape, etc.

Just seems totally unfair to post opinions as if they are facts. Even hearsay is not a fact that is allowed in court.

JMO :shrug: [/*]

There is no evidence a rape took place IMO Sami.

There is information put out there which questions the ability to be truthful with reference to Maria and that's just a fact.

There is evidence to suggest Cesar may have been responsible for her murder, but I have seen nothing to indicate a rape took place. I know you would like everyone to join together and believe because she is deceased, but that's a slap in the face to crime statistics and especially if the allegation was unfounded IMO.

This is a case and a case will be dissected every way it can be from my POV. JMO :shrug:

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Then like in every case that is ever tried Sami, the DA will include all aspects of how these two lives came together before that eventful day.

And you know full well some of these very witnesses that knew the true and full relationship between Maria and Laurean will testify in this case.

imoo [/*]

If Maria had a 'meaningful" relationship with CL, not knowing he was married at that time, wouldn't she have mentioned him to her mom, or other family whom she talked to several times a day?

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

If Maria had a 'meaningful" relationship with CL, not knowing he was married at that time, wouldn't she have mentioned him to her mom, or other family whom she talked to several times a day? [/*]

Not imo. There were other things Maria did not tell her family.

imoo

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Not imo. There were other things Maria did not tell her family.

imoo [/*]

What does that mean?

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by old_lady

QUOTE]

Welcome to the board :seeya:

Kel65

03-12-2008, 12:32 PM

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that a newspaper who has sourced the information can use ****'s name but InSession won't allow it? HMMMM?????

BarbraAllen

03-12-2008, 12:33 PM

Good morning, everyone.

Reading through this morning's thread, this is what comes to my mind. So much of this case (like others) is hesaid, shesaid. And it becomes so difficult to sort out that which appears credible from that which doesn't.

Unless there are journals, diaries, recordings, statements etc. authored by Maria , we will never hear what Maria herself has to say about all this aside from what the MC or her mother or her friends or maybe someday Cesar/Christina SAYS that "Maria said." (With the disclaimer here that I would assume her statements to the MC regarding the rape accusation would have been typed up and then signed by Maria herself.) And the little baby, the pure innocent soul must be mentioned here as well as having no voice.

We message boarders so much want the truth to come out about this crime, yet it never will be the whole truth, will it? Because we will never know more than a tiny bit of information that comes directly from Maria herself.

Even if Cesar (and perhaps others involved) are captured, brought to trial, found guilty and convicted once again we are left with only part of the story, and the rest will remain untold.

Somehow I think it is important to remember that.

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that a newspaper who has sourced the information can use ****'s name but InSession won't allow it? HMMMM????? [/*]

I respect the moderator's decision. Anyone who cares to can reference the newspaper article and find her name. :patriot:

BarbraAllen

03-12-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Thank you. I was nervous about posting here, but evey one has been so nice.:seeya: [/*]

Hello old lady, I am new too and was also nervous. But so far so good, I think.

I had read here so long and and have read a lot of other forums and boards, and this is the best one I have ever seen. I felt like I knew the posters so that helped to jump in and start writing.

Kel65

03-12-2008, 12:40 PM

I thought the reason CW didn't want us to reference her name was because her identity and relationship with Maria couldn't be substantiated. It seems that JDNew and LE have done that for InSession. JMO

No disrespect to CW intended. I'm just curious if maybe since **** has been sourced that we don't have to be so elusive about how we show the person's name.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

I guess I am missing something. LE did not confirm or deny anything. Doesn't that have to come directly from LE themselves?

If I believed everything I read in newspapers, I'd be grayer then I am now. ;) [/*]

Oh it's even worse than that. You may find some don't believe what they eyes see and the ears hear from the spoken word on a video. :tongue:

You can call Mr. Kay. His number is on every article IIRC. HE will source his words and he is bound by journalistic integrity working for JDN.

:seeya: jmo

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Yes, in the olden days journalists checked their sources and were careful (more careful) what went in print but now they will just print anything and I don't beleive much of what I read in the papers, unfortunately. [/*]

Well Annie, I have spoken with Mr. Kay and he assured me he confirmed his information with LE. Why don't you call him and he will explain that he is bound by industry requirements in his position with the JDN.

That's why they don't print the pictures of Christina. They are a cut above IMHO.:patriot:

Kel65

03-12-2008, 12:55 PM

Why don't we pose one our questions to R. Sutherland in regard to this quote below from the JD News. That way we wouldn't have to believe the media and it would come straight from LE?

Nuttindo can you add a question to R. Sutherland in this regard. Thanks.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Quote from JD NEWS

"Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed."

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Caffeine only in the coffee nowadays, then its caffeine free pepsi the rest of the day. My headaches were so bad I thought maybe it was the added caffeine lately.... [/*]

Yeah, as a coffee addict, I do something similar. I drink herb tea later in day.

Did you notice that in the article the friend says that Maria started dating CL in March? Didn't that friend that was on here say Dec. If that is true, they couldn't have dated very long before she found out he was married.

Mimi428

03-12-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by caejde

This is what Coldwater had to say on the subject of this former poster. This is from Coldwater herself via an email I sent her. And I have her permission to post this.

[/*]

Thanks for reposting CW's info - much appreciated.

I think this part of what she wrote covers ALL of the problem...

Had she been cooperative, not harassing & just discussed as A Juror does on Jensen, there would have been no problem.
As you state we have no way of proving who is who or if what they say is true so we monitor what IS said closely when they claim to know anyone connected with the people being discussed on the forum. If it is extremely personal or does not sound logical or could cause legal problems, the best for all posters concerned is to delete it and replies to it.

JMO

bkwits

03-12-2008, 12:59 PM

OT -- NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer has just resigned.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
Why don't we pose one our questions to R. Sutherland in regard to this quote below from the JD News. That way we wouldn't have to believe the media and it would come straight from LE?

Nuttindo can you add a question to R. Sutherland in this regard. Thanks.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

Quote from JD NEWS

"Renna and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March. Lauterbach learned Laurean was married after the two were dating, but before she made the rape accusation in May, law enforcement officials confirmed." [/*]

Kel, you might want to PM her as I *think* she's working on organizing questions today. :patriot:

Off to shopping. I have to get a costume for the St. Paddy's Day Masquerade Ball! :cool: Wish me luck!

JMO

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I'm sure you like to see blue, but no need to try and moderate. COLDWATER does a fine job on her own IMO.

I didn't hear them say a word about what was told to Mary being irrelevant. I think the truth lies between Mary and the USMC, and until they collectively sit down and go through some of this, it will remain a mystery with the family. Clearly, as evidenced by the video, Mary didn't have the correct information IMO.

:seeya: [/*]

I offered a suggestion to help keep the board open.

Thank you to Caejde for posting Coldwater's advice on the matter:

I would say if they want to refer to what she says or said to link to the post on her site and NOT USE HER WORDS OR NAME. You are free to paraphrase but state as by "a poster on another site", her name just starts pages of trouble.
Had she been cooperative, not harassing & just discussed as A Juror does on Jensen, there would have been no problem.
As you state we have no way of proving who is who or if what they say is true so we monitor what IS said closely when they claim to know anyone connected with the people being discussed on the forum. If it is extremely personal or does not sound logical or could cause legal problems, the best for all posters concerned is to delete it and replies to it.
TOS clearly state ALL POSTERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR POSTS - our moderating is to protect them from any future
problems their posts may present for them.

I hope this explains it better.
If so you have my permission to copy it to the forum for others to see & maybe stop the confusion.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Thanks for reposting CW's info - much appreciated.

I think this part of what she wrote covers ALL of the problem...

Had she been cooperative, not harassing & just discussed as A Juror does on Jensen, there would have been no problem.
As you state we have no way of proving who is who or if what they say is true so we monitor what IS said closely when they claim to know anyone connected with the people being discussed on the forum. If it is extremely personal or does not sound logical or could cause legal problems, the best for all posters concerned is to delete it and replies to it.

JMO [/*]

Again, I reiterate the woman was posting in her pregnancy journal online one minute and the IS peeps descended upon her. Then she came here. I think this was very misrepresented to Coldwater, and hopefully it will be cleared up soon.

I believe Coldwater was told she had a site discussing this case and that was an untruth IMO. JMO tho.

:(

Kel65

03-12-2008, 01:06 PM

I found the information yesterday in the JDNews interesting to the case and was hoping we could talk about it. However, it is really hard to discuss when you can't mention certain names in the article.

I believe the person we are not allowed to mention was harshly treated by some posters and was perhaps reacting to the way she perceived she was being treated. Maybe this should be taken into consideration?

Definintely, something to think about when new posters come on board. It can be a little intimidating being a newbie. Just my experience and JMO.

strick10

03-12-2008, 01:15 PM

Kel65

03-12-2008, 01:21 PM

I'd love to be privy to the ways LE believe they are cutting off CAL's resources.

Anyone have any thoughts or theories?

bkwits

03-12-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I found the information yesterday in the JDNews interesting to the case and was hoping we could talk about it. However, it is really hard to discuss when you can't mention certain names in the article.

I believe the person we are not allowed to mention was harshly treated by some posters and was perhaps reacting to the way she perceived she was being treated. Maybe this should be taken into consideration?

Definintely, something to think about when new posters come on board. It can be a little intimidating being a newbie. Just my experience and JMO. [/*]

I was here when she came on the board. IMO, she had an antagonistic attitude from the start. It was something like...don't question what I say or I will leave.

I find her statements contradictory and unbelievable for the most part. IMO

Mimi428

03-12-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I'd love to be privy to the ways LE believe they are cutting off CAL's resources.

Anyone have any thoughts or theories? [/*]

I tend to think the FBI may have gotten legal permission to wiretap or otherwise intercept various & sundry things - like the phones of Cesar's family members. We know that LE got a search warrant for cell phone records of Cesar's mother & a sister.

I also think it is possible that the FBI has convinced Mexico and/or Interpol to do some surveillance on Cesar's relatives.

If it is true that Cesar did actually pick up some wired money while he was in Houston, I am certain that LE determined the exact amount, when & where it was purchased, what name was used by the purchaser, when & where it was picked up & what name Cesar used at that time, etc.

Personally, I still have a hunch that Cesar has at least one male relative who has been helping him plant stuff like Maria's car, her ATM card, her cell phone & who took care of mailing the letters to Christina.

JMO

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I don't know if that is true or not.......she may still blame Maria for coming into their lives. Women can think some very strange things when it comes to their man and what he has done.

I personally think she is still in love with him and even if she thinks he did murder Maria she may think it was because of her and their marriage. This woman staid right by his side when he was accused of rape. She staid right by his side when that woman became pregnant and said the child belonged to her husband. She went with him to the attorney's office knowing that he had buried Maria.

I think she still cares about him and I dont think she would have ever told what she knew if she had not had the notes he purposefully left behind for her to give LE.

imoo [/*]

Afternoon all! :seeya: I am currently trying to get caught up and I still say ya'll write too much, LOL. ;)

Ocean, why is it the wife or SO always places the blame on the other woman instead of placing at least part (if not most) of the blame on the husband/SO? It does indeed takes two to tango! And who knows it was the husband/SO who makes the initial contact with the other woman and gives her a sob story that the wife isn't this and doesn't do that or we're in the process of separating/divorcing.

JMO now I'm back to reading again, LOL.

bkwits

03-12-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

I tend to think the FBI may have gotten legal permission to wiretap or otherwise intercept various & sundry things - like the phones of Cesar's family members. We know that LE got a search warrant for cell phone records of Cesar's mother & a sister.

I also think it is possible that the FBI has convinced Mexico and/or Interpol to do some surveillance on Cesar's relatives.

If it is true that Cesar did actually pick up some wired money while he was in Houston, I am certain that LE determined the exact amount, when & where it was purchased, what name was used by the purchaser, when & where it was picked up & what name Cesar used at that time, etc.

Personally, I still have a hunch that Cesar has at least one male relative who has been helping him plant stuff like Maria's car, her ATM card, her cell phone & who took care of mailing the letters to Christina.

JMO [/*]

Good thinking and well posted. IMO, any of Cesar relatives living in the US are being watched carefully in the transfers of money.

Maka

03-12-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I'd love to be privy to the ways LE believe they are cutting off CAL's resources.

Anyone have any thoughts or theories? [/*]

1 Frozen and/or Closed (empty) Accounts -

Maria's - did she have more than one account and did he take checks and another ATM card for?

Any single accounts he may have had - like an old savings or checking account in NV

Joint accounts with Xtina - cash and credit

Mom, dad and/or sib(s) - did he try to use their ATM card or credit card in the US or Mexico? Is he on their checking signatory card?

Anyone else he may have swiped an ATM card or credit card from or who may have let him borrow theirs (co-worker, friend).

Anyone who wired him money at any location.

2 Flagged Social Security numbers -

His own -

Family/friends #s he might have tried to use (for car loan, money loan, etc.) wherever he is - since he is already known to use aliases, it wouldn't be a stretch.

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by old_lady
Who is SO? [/*]

SO=Significant Other (male or female)

Kel65

03-12-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Kel, you might want to PM her as I *think* she's working on organizing questions today. :patriot:

Off to shopping. I have to get a costume for the St. Paddy's Day Masquerade Ball! :cool: Wish me luck!

JMO [/*]

Will do.

Have fun shopping!

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Kel65

Will do.

Have fun shopping! [/*]

Kel, I do believe that is the number one question on the list that henry and I have compiled. I'll go and check right now. :)

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

I tend to think the FBI may have gotten legal permission to wiretap or otherwise intercept various & sundry things - like the phones of Cesar's family members. We know that LE got a search warrant for cell phone records of Cesar's mother & a sister.

I also think it is possible that the FBI has convinced Mexico and/or Interpol to do some surveillance on Cesar's relatives.

If it is true that Cesar did actually pick up some wired money while he was in Houston, I am certain that LE determined the exact amount, when & where it was purchased, what name was used by the purchaser, when & where it was picked up & what name Cesar used at that time, etc.

Personally, I still have a hunch that Cesar has at least one male relative who has been helping him plant stuff like Maria's car, her ATM card, her cell phone & who took care of mailing the letters to Christina.

JMO [/*]

I think you're right. Learning exactly who helped laurean by wiring him money would provide probable cause for many "interesting" surveillance techniques and warrants, imo.

Howiefan

03-12-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I thought the reason CW didn't want us to reference her name was because her identity and relationship with Maria couldn't be substantiated. It seems that JDNew and LE have done that for InSession. JMO

No disrespect to CW intended. I'm just curious if maybe since **** has been sourced that we don't have to be so elusive about how we show the person's name. [/*]
So "JD news now substantiates the poster that cannot be named is real".. not really ..just mentioned that Maria stayed with her for a period of time..That same poster came on here making a whole lot of statements regarding Maria that could not be substantiated at the time therefore I think and no offence Coldwater I am not doing your thinking for you :) but believe this to be the reason the posts were removed.. etc.
jmo
I see no reason to discuss this further
jmo

strick10

03-12-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Bet Cesar being on the run screwed Christina up regarding her tax refund LOL. Oh, wait, I bet the government has a special form for that- to be attached in triplicate to your tax returns- Govt Form 5321 "Spouse On The Run Addendum- Unable to Sign" :rolleyes: [/*]

:lol:

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Her attitude was reflectory. She wasn't kissing butt to answer our questions. Its not a big deal, if you think about it, if you want to converse with her just go to one of the boards she may be on now= this ain't it- and make yourself happy. I feel like such a fence sitter on the matter...maybe that poster also had a crappy "personality" herself, not everyone is as sweet and agreeable as we are...:rose: [/*]

It's hard to imagine that anyone is as sweet and agreeable as all of us...:D

I'm with you, firmly on the fence, thought she had some insights that obviously none of us would have since we never knew Maria personally. Her "attitude" seemed like a lot of young folks these days, and I took her posts as just what they were...

I'm pretty pumped about the chance that LE might be onto CAL, according to this latest report. So looking forward to the shackles and the jacket thrown over his head...

bkwits

03-12-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Her attitude was reflectory. She wasn't kissing butt to answer our questions. Its not a big deal, if you think about it, if you want to converse with her just go to one of the boards she may be on now= this ain't it- and make yourself happy. I feel like such a fence sitter on the matter...maybe that poster also had a crappy "personality" herself, not everyone is as sweet and agreeable as we are...:rose: [/*]

TRUE ;)

My first trip out in almost a week, and I bought St. Paddy's Day cards for my grkids (6). I am sitting here addressing them and noticed one is sort of "R"- rated. Oh my.:eek:something about the leprechauns and the size of their shillelaghs.

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
What I found regarding Maria's estate is public record. I clicked a button that said public records online to get to it.

http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgomery/government/probate/prodcfm/casesearch_actionall.cfm

Hopefully, this link will take you to it. [/*]
No one commented on this, unless I overlooked it trying to catch up.

The Date of Death is listed as 16-Dec-07 :shrug:

newbiee

03-12-2008, 02:39 PM

O/T
I post mainly on the Stacy Peterson site, but we need help with some legal advice. Can someone help me or refer me to someone on here that can pop over to that board and help us?
thanks in advance.

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

:seeya: I know the answer- at least I think I do- some women blame to "other woman" or "other party: and stay loyal to their
mate because they know the alternative is life on their own. possibly with kids... easier it would "seem" to CHANGE the man (has this EVER been done successfully? Only God knows) and not have this bit of nastiness anymore.

Have never been the "other woman" but have dated many men who were divorced, and "heard' all their sob stories about what a "bit**-" their exes were- and these men were "free" of those women except for financially. Woo, never dated ONE guy who spoke nicely about his ex- and some on the first or second date.
Note to Guys: We don't dig this. Really.
Can only IMAGINE the frenzied poor me sob stories that come out of a married persons mouth when they want in somebodys pants. :rolleyes: [/*]

Oh yes Annie!!

I've never been the 'other woman' either and thankfully I have never been in a position of dating someone who had an ex-wife (not that it's wrong, just my personal experience) so I haven't heard the stories firsthand, but I have several friends who have dated and then married the exes and the stories I have been told---WHEW!

And yes those frenzied stories being told so someone can get into those pants, I can only imagine! I call that a case of thinking with the brains below the belt. :eek:

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

No one commented on this, unless I overlooked it trying to catch up.

The Date of Death is listed as 16-Dec-07 :shrug: [/*]

Yes Ivy I am looking at that right now. Here's what's listed on the page (from Kel's link):

Decedent's Name MARIA LAUTERBACH
Date of Death 16-DEC-07
Case Number 2008EST00359
Case Type 2 FULL ADMIN NO WILL
Case Status OPEN 19-FEB-08
Appointment date 20-FEB-08
Attorney Name WILBERDING, MERLE F.
Attorney Phone 937-223-8177
Fiduciary LAUTERBACH, MARY S.
386 POPLAR GROVE DRIVE, VANDALIA, OH 45377
Co-Fiduciary

Related Cases
Then when you click on Related cases, here's what it shows (and the link to this is: http://www.mcohio.org/revize/montgomery/government/probate/prodcfm/CASESEARCH_DOCKETx.CFM?52514*515854050C09000E00 :

Images Date Description

19-FEB-08 DEPOSIT-FULL ADMIN WITH WILL MERLE F. WILBERDING ADM

20-FEB-08 FORMS DOCKETING INDEXING COMPUTER FUND CR COURT COMPUTER FUND FULL ESTATES

20-FEB-08 SURVIVING SPOUSE NEXT OF KIN LEGATEE-DEVISEE

20-FEB-08 APPLICATION FOR AUTHORITY TO ADMINISTER/ENTRY APPOINTING FIDUCIARY/LETTERS/NO WILL/GSF

20-FEB-08 FIDUCIARY'S BOND^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ $20,000.00-OHIO CASUALTY INS. CO.

20-FEB-08 WAIVER OF RIGHT TO ADMINISTER

20-FEB-08 FIDUCIARY'S ACCEPTANCE

20-FEB-08 3 CERT. LETTERS & 1 PG. RECORDING- AKA MARIA F. LAUTERBACH, DECEDENT

http://www.clerk.co.montgomery.oh.us/probate/image_ftp.cfm?555F5*5E544405070100010002021E515842 5D56455F4A4C0C6C0A050108080703011E53585C5D5*505D5D 086D02080509000A07006C710501060A0708000D1*65797E13 57595450585E057C01000E070309081*65797E1341515F5042 0D09 (Surviving Spouse, Children, Next of Kin, etc.)

http://www.clerk.co.montgomery.oh.us/probate/image_ftp.cfm?555F5*5E544405070100010002041E515842 5D56455F4A4C0C6C0A050108080703011E53585C5D5*505D5D 086D02080509000A07006C710501060A0708000F1*65797E13 57595450585E057C01000E070309081*65797E1341515F5042 0D09 (Fiduciary's Bond)

http://www.clerk.co.montgomery.oh.us/probate/image_ftp.cfm?555F5*5E544405070100010002051E515842 5D56455F4A4C0C6C0A050108080703011E53585C5D5*505D5D 086D02080509000A07006C710501060A070800001*65797E13 57595450585E057C01000E070309081*65797E1341515F5042 0D08 (Waiver of Right to Administer)

http://www.clerk.co.montgomery.oh.us/probate/image_ftp.cfm?555F5*5E544405070100010002061E515842 5D56455F4A4C0C6C0A050108080703011E53585C5D5*505D5D 086D02080509000A07006C710501060A070800011*65797E13 57595450585E057C01000E070309081*65797E1341515F5042 0D08 (FIDUCIARY'S ACCEPTANCE)

These are the only images that Montgomery County is allowing to be shown in the public records. This is what is at the top of the page: * Due to privacy issues some documents may not be viewed

So since Maria's home of record if Ohio, that would be why her estate is being handled in Ohio, IMO.

JMO

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Why change the date of death to the 16th? When everyone is arguing was it the 14th or the 15th?? Wonder why they did that? [/*]
I thought when I read it, "oh, here we go again with dates" :rolleyes:

strick10

03-12-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

No one commented on this, unless I overlooked it trying to catch up.

The Date of Death is listed as 16-Dec-07 :shrug: [/*]

I saw that, thought maybe it was a typo. LE says Maria died on the 14th and her obit reads the 15th......:shrug:

Mimi428

03-12-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I know the answer- at least I think I do- some women blame to "other woman" or "other party: and stay loyal to their
mate because they know the alternative is life on their own. possibly with kids... [/*]

Way back long time ago we had a poster who was married & had 2 or 3 kids & she (& others) posted on a thread in OC which discussed staying married to a person who had cheated on you. Her opinion (in a nutshell) was that the 'other woman' was the sole cause of the problems she & hubby had, that he would not have cheated if this 'other woman' had not cast her evil spell upon him, etc., etc.

Then along came the Laci Peterson case. When the news about Amber F. broke - when she came forward in her PC - guess who claimed long & loud from that point on that the whole problem in THAT case was NOT Scott P - but Amber?

We don't know enough yet about what Christina may have known or not known, what Cesar may have told her, why she decided to stay with him - but the reality is that a whole lot of women DO stay with cheating husbands/boyfriends & place the blame for the whole thing on the 'other woman' or on just about anything or anyone else. I suppose it is a coping mechanism, or perhaps a way for them to feel that they are 'saving face'.

One reality for Christina that does seem to be accurate is that without her husband, she & her daughter are living with her sister & brother-in-law. I doubt that situation would be easy for any of them - even if the reason was not that Cesar has been indicted for murder & took off.

JMO

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that a newspaper who has sourced the information can use ****'s name but InSession won't allow it? HMMMM????? [/*]

Not only that, but it seems the two words following her name in the article have been completely missed.

(name removed) and others have said that Lauterbach did not know Laurean was married when they met and began to date in March.

So it wasn't just her that said Cesar and Maria had a relationship.

bkwits

03-12-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Also, as we have discussed here before, young people these days are VERY casual about sex- don't you remember the 60's. well its kind of like that but its even more casual. "Hooking Up" is done all the time and its NBD to them. They don't even necessairly even "date" anymore. See someone you like? Well hey, just hook up later on and its as easy as that.
But driving your BF around, or your "hook up" around when he has a truck of his own...hmmm...that sounds like I-know-you-are-a-married-man. JMO!!!! [/*]

Well, some have posted here that Maria was so enthralled with CL that she accused him of rape to get even with him because a) she found out he was married or *) he wouldn't leave his wife for her. So, if we are to believe either one of those scenarios it doesn't seem like just a "hook-up."

Didn't the unnamed poster say when she posted here that their relationship started in Dec. Then she was quoted in the paper as saying it started in Mar. She's all over the place, and I've heard a known troublemaker. IMO

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Way back long time ago we had a poster who was married & had 2 or 3 kids & she (& others) posted on a thread in OC which discussed staying married to a person who had cheated on you. Her opinion (in a nutshell) was that the 'other woman' was the sole cause of the problems she & hubby had, that he would not have cheated if this 'other woman' had not cast her evil spell upon him, etc., etc.

Then along came the Laci Peterson case. When the news about Amber F. broke - when she came forward in her PC - guess who claimed long & loud from that point on that the whole problem in THAT case was NOT Scott P - but Amber?

We don't know enough yet about what Christina may have known or not known, what Cesar may have told her, why she decided to stay with him - but the reality is that a whole lot of women DO stay with cheating husbands/boyfriends & place the blame for the whole thing on the 'other woman' or on just about anything or anyone else. I suppose it is a coping mechanism, or perhaps a way for them to feel that they are 'saving face'.

One reality for Christina that does seem to be accurate is that without her husband, she & her daughter are living with her sister & brother-in-law. I doubt that situation would be easy for any of them - even if the reason was not that Cesar has been indicted for murder & took off.

JMO [/*]

IMO, for a lot of women (and maybe men, too) it boils down to not wanting to be alone. They overlook and ignore when they have to in order to stay in the relationship. A friend of mine, years ago, decided to marry a man much older than her and he had quite a bit of baggage from his former marriage. When we asked her if she was sure she wanted to marry him, her response was basically "I'm tired of sitting alone on Saturday nights."

CSL may have had her own reasons for sticking with CAL after the allegations that he had raped Maria were brought. Who knows why people do the things they do? :shrug:

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

Well, some have posted here that Maria was so enthralled with CL that she accused him of rape to get even with him because a) she found out he was married or *) he wouldn't leave his wife for her. So, if we are to believe either one of those scenarios it doesn't seem like just a "hook-up."

Didn't the unnamed poster say when she posted here that their relationship started in Dec. Then she was quoted in the paper as saying it started in Mar. She's all over the place, and I've heard a known troublemaker. IMO [/*]

According to the jdn article, "and others" follows the un-named one's name. So she was not the only one who claimed that Cesar and Maria had a relationship. IMO, they probably met in December while Maria was still dating her ex-boyfriend and the relationship progressed to "dating" in March.

Lisa said it began in December too.

Is she a troublemaker too? Have you heard anything about her?

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 03:05 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by Sami

It seems kinda unfair to Maria to keep posting as if we KNOW what kind of 'relationship' she had with Cesar. It could have been heavy flirting, or it could have been seeing him out at bars or pool halls, which led to his asking for a ride from Maria, etc.

Whatever it was, it only lasted for a couple of months, it seems, so that could mean it only became a somewhat 'intimate' relationship just shortly before the alleged sexual assault.

If ya'll are gonna believe ******, then how can you speak as if Cesar and Maria were dating? It wasn't a dating relationship as we know it, or as Maria was accustomed to -- since Maria was actually living with her ex-boyfriend and I'm sure she couldn't have moved in with Cesar with Christina in his home. FGS, we were told by the supposed 'friend' that Maria had to drive Cesar around! This wasn't traditional dating by anyone's standards, imo.

And it seems unfair to Maria to post as if it were, when it's just as possible that they were NOT heavily into dating.

I don't see how even MacGyver could have accomplished traditional dating/relationship while married with a child in the same town. JMO [/*]
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Yes I agree that the relationship between CAL and Maria was not what we call a traditional type of dating relationship. Most likely it was more of a sexual conquest for CAL. I would call this an affair.

Most likely Maria driving CAL around was to keep his 'affair' under wraps so no one would see a strange woman in CAL's truck. If Maria was seen in his truck, CAL would have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

And it is possible for this MacGyver-like person to have carried on an affair in Jacksonville/Onslow County with his small child here. Believe me it happens all the time. This all depends on where the affairees (if this is a word, LOL) travel, the places they visit and who is in their circle of friends.

And Sami, I am glad to see you back!

JMO

Regina.Lampert

03-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

TRUE ;)

My first trip out in almost a week, and I bought St. Paddy's Day cards for my grkids (6). I am sitting here addressing them and noticed one is sort of "R"- rated. Oh my.:eek:something about the leprechauns and the size of their shillelaghs. [/*]

Oh Faith and Begorrah!!!!! :lol:

bkwits

03-12-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Way back long time ago we had a poster who was married & had 2 or 3 kids & she (& others) posted on a thread in OC which discussed staying married to a person who had cheated on you. Her opinion (in a nutshell) was that the 'other woman' was the sole cause of the problems she & hubby had, that he would not have cheated if this 'other woman' had not cast her evil spell upon him, etc., etc.

Then along came the Laci Peterson case. When the news about Amber F. broke - when she came forward in her PC - guess who claimed long & loud from that point on that the whole problem in THAT case was NOT Scott P - but Amber?

We don't know enough yet about what Christina may have known or not known, what Cesar may have told her, why she decided to stay with him - but the reality is that a whole lot of women DO stay with cheating husbands/boyfriends & place the blame for the whole thing on the 'other woman' or on just about anything or anyone else. I suppose it is a coping mechanism, or perhaps a way for them to feel that they are 'saving face'.

One reality for Christina that does seem to be accurate is that without her husband, she & her daughter are living with her sister & brother-in-law. I doubt that situation would be easy for any of them - even if the reason was not that Cesar has been indicted for murder & took off.

JMO [/*]

If we are to believe what this person that Maria started dating CL in March and didn't know he was married, then maybe there had been no consensual sex before the rape charges.

Perhaps, there was initial attraction, flirtation, etc. Then Maria found out he was married, and I think that would happened quickly since they worked together, and she cut off the relationship. This made CL mad because he was used to getting what he wanted from women, and so on. IMO

bkwits

03-12-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Sami

It seems kinda unfair to Maria to keep posting as if we KNOW what kind of 'relationship' she had with Cesar. It could have been heavy flirting, or it could have been seeing him out at bars or pool halls, which led to his asking for a ride from Maria, etc.

Whatever it was, it only lasted for a couple of months, it seems, so that could mean it only became a somewhat 'intimate' relationship just shortly before the alleged sexual assault.

If ya'll are gonna believe ******, then how can you speak as if Cesar and Maria were dating? It wasn't a dating relationship as we know it, or as Maria was accustomed to -- since Maria was actually living with her ex-boyfriend and I'm sure she couldn't have moved in with Cesar with Christina in his home. FGS, we were told by the supposed 'friend' that Maria had to drive Cesar around! This wasn't traditional dating by anyone's standards, imo.

And it seems unfair to Maria to post as if it were, when it's just as possible that they were NOT heavily into dating.

I don't see how even MacGyver could have accomplished traditional dating/relationship while married with a child in the same town. JMO [/*]
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Yes I agree that the relationship between CAL and Maria was not what we call a traditional type of dating relationship. Most likely it was more of a sexual conquest for CAL. I would call this an affair.

Most likely Maria driving CAL around was to keep his 'affair' under wraps so no one would see a strange woman in CAL's truck. If Maria was seen in his truck, CAL would have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

And it is possible for this MacGyver-like person to have carried on an affair in Jacksonville/Onslow County with his small child here. Believe me it happens all the time. This all depends on where the affairees (if this is a word, LOL) travel, the places they visit and who is in their circle of friends.

And Sami, I am glad to see you back!

JMO [/*]

But Nuttin, every time I post that Cesar may have gotten into Maria's car and forced her to drive somewhere on 12/14, I get replies that he wouldn't do that because there are so many marines around that he would be seen, etc.

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I can totally see myself in the "not wanting to sit alone on Saturday nights" IF I was a single person right now, at my age. But CSL was young- she wasn't thinking about another old fart to sit around and fight over the remote with, she could go OUT, meet new guys (ok, I'll say it- she still was highly marketable, even if she did have the little girl...), party with her single girlfriends, life in the future wasn't exactly looking that grim...jmo
(esp if he was a husb she had to "keep tabs" on. thats alot of work...) [/*]

Well, at the time, this friend of mine was in her early 30's and a knockout. Seriously turned heads everywhere she went. But us women still outnumber the men, and she hadn't been in a relationship for a long time before this guy came along and they started dating. He was more than 20 years her senior...we teased her that on her wedding day she became a grandma, without becoming a mom first!

But I see what you're saying in regards to CSL. I don't know...today I would kick a cheating hubby to the curb so fast he wouldn't notice that I hadn't given him any time to pack up his stuff. But when I was CSL's age, not nearly as confident in my ability to handle life on my own with two small children.

Like I said, it's anybody's guess why she stayed with him. Wonder if she regrets that decision now?

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Way back long time ago we had a poster who was married & had 2 or 3 kids & she (& others) posted on a thread in OC which discussed staying married to a person who had cheated on you. Her opinion (in a nutshell) was that the 'other woman' was the sole cause of the problems she & hubby had, that he would not have cheated if this 'other woman' had not cast her evil spell upon him, etc., etc.

Then along came the Laci Peterson case. When the news about Amber F. broke - when she came forward in her PC - guess who claimed long & loud from that point on that the whole problem in THAT case was NOT Scott P - but Amber?

We don't know enough yet about what Christina may have known or not known, what Cesar may have told her, why she decided to stay with him - but the reality is that a whole lot of women DO stay with cheating husbands/boyfriends & place the blame for the whole thing on the 'other woman' or on just about anything or anyone else. I suppose it is a coping mechanism, or perhaps a way for them to feel that they are 'saving face'.

One reality for Christina that does seem to be accurate is that without her husband, she & her daughter are living with her sister & brother-in-law. I doubt that situation would be easy for any of them - even if the reason was not that Cesar has been indicted for murder & took off.

JMO [/*]

ITA Mimi!

And since CSL supposedly said to Maria, 'why are you doing this to our family' (paraphrasing of course) she most likely was placing all the blame on Maria for their problems.

I can see where CSL living with her sister and her family is no doubt a very stressful situation for all of them. I just feel so much for poor little Abrianna, the true innocent in this whole mess. Most likely Christina had visions of all being well in her household until Maria's accusation(s) That's a lot for a person to deal with.

And like you said, placing the blame on the other woman is most likely is a coping mechanism, so a person can get through the day.

JMO

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Oh Faith and Begorrah!!!!! :lol: [/*]

I really miss our rolling Santa! Here's a standin:

:biggrin:

CanCan

03-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I know :rolleyes:
i read about conceptiona nd due dates on here so much I got morning sicknessbarf and I am not even pregnant. JMO [/*]

:lol:

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

But Nuttin, every time I post that Cesar may have gotten into Maria's car and forced her to drive somewhere on 12/14, I get replies that he wouldn't do that because there are so many marines around that he would be seen, etc. [/*]

I know bk, but as we have seen in this case, ANYTHING is possible.

I think it's entirely possible that CAL rode around with Maria and was never noticed by anyone.

JMO

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

ITA Mimi!

And since CSL supposedly said to Maria, 'why are you doing this to our family' (paraphrasing of course) she most likely was placing all the blame on Maria for their problems.

I can see where CSL living with her sister and her family is no doubt a very stressful situation for all of them. I just feel so much for poor little Abrianna, the true innocent in this whole mess. Most likely Christina had visions of all being well in her household until Maria's accusation(s) That's a lot for a person to deal with.

And like you said, placing the blame on the other woman is most likely is a coping mechanism, so a person can get through the day.

JMO [/*]

ITA to your last sentence. Who wants to be married to a cheater? If the cheating is dismissed as a one-time thing, or that the "other woman" led your man down the garden path, it would make it easier to stick around and hope that it wouldn't happen again.

marinewife5

03-12-2008, 03:25 PM

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 03:25 PM

Hi everyone:seeya:

I think, now more than ever, that Maria had been to the Laurean
home when CSL was out of town......

It might be that CSL broke the relationship off between CL
and ML.....not ML or CL.....jmo

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by marinewife5

IIRC, it was "lisa" who said december of 2006, not jennifer renna. jmo [/*]
I have the article saved, and it was JR

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I have the article saved, and it was JR [/*]

Which article?

baywench

03-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

There are no other "witnesses" talking and I find that curious. Durham or the guy in Lowe's are not making any statements anywhere to my knowledge.
Only this one "witness" is talking anywhere.

jmoo [/*]

She is credible and she is a witness and she is a real person. Her treatment on the board was despicable. Now that she has been identified can her posts be reinstated? They haven't made any statements to your knowledge....:cool: JMO

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Married women with cheating husbands also blame themselves thinking if they had just been a better wife, he wouldn't have gone to another woman. Anyone already mention that?

jmoo [/*]

Not that I have seen. But an excellent point. I've seen that dynamic, too. Actually, lived it myself. I used to think that if I was thinner, smarter, prettier, kept the house cleaner, cooked better, etc. my ex wouldn't have left me for another woman.

Boy, I sure don't think that way now! Amazing how your perception of yourself can be clouded like that.

Maybe there was something like that going on between CSL and CAL. :shrug:

JMO

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Which article? [/*]
The article where JR mentions Dec. '06.

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by baywench

She is credible and she is a witness and she is a real person. Her treatment on the board was despicable. Now that she has been identified can her posts be reinstated? They haven't made any statements to your knowledge....:cool: JMO [/*]

All right, I've already had to chastize CK for omitting Wanda from the list of people who have talked to the press.

:no:

There's also Richard, Menard, and Lisa.

:D

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

The article where JR mentions Dec. '06. [/*]

The one that was posted today?

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

All right, I've already had to chastize CK for omitting Wanda from the list of people who have talked to the press.

:no:

There's also Richard, Menard, and Lisa.

:D [/*]

Cryme... did you read the comments at the bottom of the JDNews article that was posted today? About the Enquirer and CSL's hitman? :eek:

I don't read the Enquirer, but has anyone seen this article?

BarbraAllen

03-12-2008, 03:35 PM

I just had a thought after reading the posts about dating & relationship.

Is it possible that Christina was the odd one out? Is it possible that Cesar had actually fallen in love with Maria? And then____________?

( I always look for Annie Bean's stories; I hope she will write one with this theme!)

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

The one that was posted today? [/*]
No, an article from Jan. 12th where she also mentions about Soccer and Maria loving the Marines.

Mimi428

03-12-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Married women with cheating husbands also blame themselves thinking if they had just been a better wife, he wouldn't have gone to another woman. Anyone already mention that?

jmoo [/*]

Good point. With a new baby, Christina had plenty to do. For all we know, she may have had a lot of sleep-deprived nights, she may have had trouble getting back into physical shape. Would not surprise me at all if we were to learn in the future that Cesar was the sort of guy who told Christina it was all HER fault - she wasn't available when he wanted sex, she wasn't physically attractive to him, she wasn't this or that or a whole slew of other things.

I just don't get the impression that Cesar was interested in ANYTHING that competed with what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it.

strick10

03-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Cryme... did you read the comments at the bottom of the JDNews article that was posted today? About the Enquirer and CSL's hitman? :eek:

I don't read the Enquirer, but has anyone seen this article? [/*]

What!!!??? Hit man for CSL? Enquirer is the gossip rag right?

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by strick10

What!!!??? Hit man for CSL? Enquirer is the gossip rag right? [/*]

Yes, it's a gossip rag - one of the commenters at the bottom of that JDN article said it was reported in the Enquirer. Like I said, I don't read the Enquirer, so I have no idea if they reported that.

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Cryme... did you read the comments at the bottom of the JDNews article that was posted today? About the Enquirer and CSL's hitman? :eek:

I don't read the Enquirer, but has anyone seen this article? [/*]

I don't read the Enquirer.

Has Batboy found Cesar?

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Could have been. Remember Betty Brodrick? I don't think I spelled the last name right.

jmoo [/*]

Aw, who could forget Betty? LOL.

Yeah, I'm sure she struggled with her self-image. Most natural thing in the world when your hubby is cheating with a younger woman, IMO.

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

No, an article from Jan. 12th where she also mentions about Soccer and Maria loving the Marines. [/*]

Oh okay. I remember that.

But Lisa also told CNN that the relationship began in December 06.

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Me too. I think it was all about Cesar to Cesar and he wasn't that nice to his wife or any other woman for that matter.

Maybe Christina is glad to be rid of him. She could be singing like a bird to LE just to get rid of him once and for all.

jmoo [/*]

You may well be exactly right about that.

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I don't read the Enquirer.

Has Batboy found Cesar? [/*]

LOL... I don't know. I am just surprised that nobody on this board has mentioned the Enquirer article that says this (if, in fact, it did). Maybe it just came out?

Any NE readers out there?

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 03:46 PM

I think Maria had been to Laurean's home and their friends
know it and that is how CSL found out about the affair...jmo

Cesar had to weigh his options, and once caught by his wife,
made his choice to end the affair.....

Again, Maria was no wilting flower.....she was pregnant and
wanted Cesar to come through for her....jmo

strick10

03-12-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

LOL... I don't know. I am just surprised that nobody on this board has mentioned the Enquirer article that says this (if, in fact, it did). Maybe it just came out?

Any NE readers out there? [/*]

I hope there are some NE readers and this inquiry mind wants to know.

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

All right, I've already had to chastize CK for omitting Wanda from the list of people who have talked to the press.

:no:

There's also Richard, Menard, and Lisa.

:D [/*]
And there was Ashley Dupuis, and Lance Cpl. Jessica Riley mentioned in this long article.
http://tinyurl.com/272r76

bkwits

03-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

I have the article saved, and it was JR [/*]

Thank you:hat:

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

I was sure a wilting flower at 8 months preggers.

jmoo [/*]

I don't think Maria had the option....she had a problem that
most pregnant women don't have...imo

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by strick10

I hope there are some NE readers and this inquiry mind wants to know. [/*]

I just went to the NE website and I don't see it on the cover of the latest issue (nor can I find any old articles on this case).

Maybe that commenter was wrong - or maybe it was in a different gossip rag.... :shrug:

crymeariver2006

03-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

And there was Ashley Dupuis, and Lance Cpl. Jessica Riley mentioned in this long article.
http://tinyurl.com/272r76 [/*]

See! We knew there were others! And each one just as credible as the next. Each one.

<sniff> I just get so emotional when Wanda is left out.

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

I always have my nosy old nose buried in that paper. It is a gossip rag. :D

jmoo [/*]

Do you save them? :D

bkwits

03-12-2008, 03:52 PM

:seeya:

I have to go out now, get money, and mail the cards. Wish me luck, that in my addled flu-infested mind, I don't do anything else stupid.

me hammer leprechaun

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

~snip from post
<sniff> I just get so emotional when Wanda is left out. [/*]
Aww, don't cry, we may see her and hear from her again on some talk show :D

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Aww, don't cry, we may see her and hear from her again on some talk show :D [/*]

I'm looking forward to it......

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

I put them in my bird's cage when I am through with them.:D [/*]

Do you have talking birds? Maybe they remember this article... :D

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by strick10

What!!!??? Hit man for CSL? Enquirer is the gossip rag right? [/*]

I know! :eek: I find it hilarious that NE and the poster over at JDNews typed that!

I think we can honestly say we've heard it all. :chicken:

gaelicpeas

03-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I know! :eek: I find it hilarious that NE and the poster over at JDNews typed that!

I think we can honestly say we've heard it all. :chicken: [/*]

lol...

Another commenter just asked him which issue of NE, so maybe we will find out.

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

See! We knew there were others! And each one just as credible as the next. Each one.

<sniff> I just get so emotional when Wanda is left out. [/*]

Wonder how Wanda feels by being left out? :tongue:

Never fear Wanda will rise again, I just know it. :biggrin:

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Do you have talking birds? Maybe they remember this article... :D [/*]

:eek: and :chicken:

You are definitely on a roll today gp!

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I have a dog, I am sure he reads. He certainly knows when I am bringing in the cheapie dog treats vs. the expensive beggin-strips.

He understands whole sentences. Hes so smart, he's dumb. [/*]

And he knows just when to be smart and when to be dumb! They are smart little boogers aren't they?

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

See! We knew there were others! And each one just as credible as the next. Each one.

<sniff> I just get so emotional when Wanda is left out. [/*]

I'm back.

Yes, there was the young woman Jessica in one of those articles who she told it could be a good thing or a bad thing with reference to her pregnancy.

That resounds in my mind. :( How sad.

JMO.

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

In same pants.:no: [/*]

Yes in those tye-dyed drawers.

Wonder how cryme is doing on the fundraising?

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

Did you find a costume or are you just going like you are.:D [/*]

No, here it is....

http://www.costumecraze.com/ANML15.html

:tongue: Took that pic to the party store and they had a quick match I could pick up today. :patriot:

Edited link to costume.

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

lol...

Another commenter just asked him which issue of NE, so maybe we will find out. [/*]

If it's an old issue, I'll just stop by my dentist's office and see if they have it! They have those mags, and most of them are really old...I think the staff reads the current ones, and then put them out for the patients when they're done with em! :D

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean
My mother, never without an opinion or a good set of lungs to voice it with, was very disappointed my oldest daughter decided to have a second child. Really none of her business, but I headed her off at the pass (as I was elected to be the one to tell her about it) and told her NOT to say anything negative to my daughter.
No woman who is pregnant should be made to feel its a "bad thing". { Note: I am Pro-Choice.} But for someone who is months along and doesn't know if the baby inside her is "good " or "bad"?
Sad JMO [/*]

ITA. That statement makes me wonder if Maria didn't hold out some small hope that CAL would leave his family to be with her and help raise their child. She may have had days when she thought that was a possibility. JMO.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean
My mother, never without an opinion or a good set of lungs to voice it with, was very disappointed my oldest daughter decided to have a second child. Really none of her business, but I headed her off at the pass (as I was elected to be the one to tell her about it) and told her NOT to say anything negative to my daughter.
No woman who is pregnant should be made to feel its a "bad thing". { Note: I am Pro-Choice.} But for someone who is months along and doesn't know if the baby inside her is "good " or "bad"?
Sad JMO [/*]

I agree Annie.....doesn't look like anything was going right for
Maria......

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

ITA. That statement makes me wonder if Maria didn't hold out some small hope that CAL would leave his family to be with her and help raise their child. She may have had days when she thought that was a possibility. JMO. [/*]

makes it seem that Cesar had two emotional women (both for good reason) on his hands.....but of couse Cesar would not want
to be blamed for any part in the situation.....

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe

makes it seem that Cesar had two emotional women (both for good reason) on his hands.....but of couse Cesar would not want
to be blamed for any part in the situation..... [/*]

Agree with that. If he had any sense of responsibility, he wouldn't be in this mess, IMO, and Maria could still be alive.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

ITA. That statement makes me wonder if Maria didn't hold out some small hope that CAL would leave his family to be with her and help raise their child. She may have had days when she thought that was a possibility. JMO. [/*]

That added with the timing.

Think about it. Last ST. Paddy's day Maria was on her myspace talking about how excited she was about becoming an AUNT to her little nephew.

Then some kind of incident happened at the end of March deemed consensual. Then another incident on April 10 ro 11, and in May reporting a rape allegation.

I remember Lisa saying they had a fight after she found out he was married IIRC.

Maybe she was thinking of a FAIRYTALE kind of life and it was blown apart within a few weeks.

SHE was young and young people can live in a different reality several times a day.

I see it every day. JMO tho..:(

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe

I agree Annie.....doesn't look like anything was going right for
Maria...... [/*]

ITA, this entire thing is just so sad.

I can only what it would have been like for Maria (and the stress level had to be astronomical to say the least) to be here completely alone with no family to help her in any way.

JMO

Marcia3

03-12-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

That added with the timing.

Think about it. Last ST. Paddy's day Maria was on her myspace talking about how excited she was about becoming an AUNT to her little nephew.

Then some kind of incident happened at the end of March deemed consensual. Then another incident on April 10 ro 11, and in May reporting a rape allegation.

I remember Lisa saying they had a fight after she found out he was married IIRC.

Maybe she was thinking of a FAIRYTALE kind of life and it was blown apart within a few weeks.

SHE was young and young people can live in a different reality several times a day.

I see it every day. JMO tho..:( [/*]

Yeah, good point. Life can turn or brake on a dime, and you just never know. Maria may not have had the life experience to weather all of this tumult...a lot to deal with for a young woman, IMO.

I just have such a hard time figuring in the rape allegation if she really wanted to be with CAL. IMO she had strong feelings for him at one time, based on what we've been told by another poster, and it seems as if an allegation such as that would be the opposite thing that someone would do in that situation.

But I've never been young, away from family, and pregnant by a married man, so my confusion might be misplaced. :shrug:

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by old_lady

I really like it, but it looks way to small for you.:D [/*]

No, I was fine but thanks OLD LADY! I purchased the adult's costume. :D

Nothing like a feathered chick for St. Paddy's and Easter too! :patriot:

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Back On Topic - Glad I wasn't the only one who went off topic today.

These are the things that really get to me about little baby Gabriel. No matter what, he was a totally defenseless baby who had no dog in the fight.

I think I will faint if he was not Cesar's child. I want the people responsible for his demise to have a connection they can never forget. JMO tho.

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

~snip
like the visits to the OB/GYN or whatever they are called in the service- ultrasouonds, etc nice to have a hubby nearby. IMO. Lonely to go thru a pregnancy alone. [/*]
I was married but went though preganancy in a way "alone". That was a long time ago, but going to my appts. alone was not unusual at that time.

It hasn't been all that long ago when no one knew if a pregnancy was a male or female. No name was attached to that unborn child although names may have been picked out.

The unborn child wasn't personalized like as is the case today. There was no "we're pregnant", it was "I'm pregnant" or "she's pregnant".

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

ITA, this entire thing is just so sad.

I can only what it would have been like for Maria (and the stress level had to be astronomical to say the least) to be here completely alone with no family to help her in any way.

JMO [/*]

it doesn't sound like she was able to be totally honest
about her situation either....so sad

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Snipped:

These are the things that really get to me about little baby Gabriel. No matter what, he was a totally defenseless baby who had no dog in the fight.

I think I will faint if he was not Cesar's child. I want the people responsible for his demise to have a connection they can never forget. JMO tho. [/*]I agree candy. I think I will pass out if it comes out that Gabriel is not CL.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Yeah, good point. Life can turn or brake on a dime, and you just never know. Maria may not have had the life experience to weather all of this tumult...a lot to deal with for a young woman, IMO.

I just have such a hard time figuring in the rape allegation if she really wanted to be with CAL. IMO she had strong feelings for him at one time, based on what we've been told by another poster, and it seems as if an allegation such as that would be the opposite thing that someone would do in that situation.

But I've never been young, away from family, and pregnant by a married man, so my confusion might be misplaced. :shrug: [/*]

Me either Marcia, me either. Trying to think rationally probably isn't the best way to try and figure this one out. JMO tho.

I have mentioned my godchild before on this forum. Her parents were military and both wound up with discharges and it wasn't pretty.

It then trickled over into civillian LE and there were times the mom would call the dad asking him to break the ex-parte order and come help her at the store, THEN she would call LE to have him locked up.

Finally a judge sent them to a mediator and OMG, the woman cut them loose after nine hours straight.

It's a different life for me and I don't know what to make of the allegations. At times I think Maria felt VIOLATED....maybe he did force himself on her April 10 or 11th and she was raped in the very sense of the word. Unfortunately because she waited so long, it looked unbelievable when she became pregnant and claimed it to be a result of a reported rape.

I don't know how confusing the medical records will be, but I PRAY that Mary and Victor get access to a sitdown with the USMC.

I don't even know if it would be possible to agree to such things and have a confidentiality clause. But, if the USMC felt they did the right things as dictated by protocol, I don't think it's fair for them to be maligned.

I am with caejde about a clause similar to the silver Amber Alert for women pregnant with a viable fetus and hope maybe Mary will advocate for something like that as opposed to trying to change military protocol.

I dunno, my head spins when I think about it too much. :(

Sorry for the rant. jmo

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

That one gets to me, too. It's a total :confused: for me.

I believe it shows how conflicted she was about the baby. [/*]

I'm not sure we know for fact that she had nothing for the baby.

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

<snipped>

I think I will faint if he was not Cesar's child. I want the people responsible for his demise to have a connection they can never forget. JMO tho. [/*]

You won't be alone in the fainting department if Gabriel isn't CAL's son. After picking my jaw off the ground, I'll surely be laying flat on the floor.

I'm hoping the ME or whoever will release this tidbit before, or if there is a trial.

JMO

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

No, I was fine but thanks OLD LADY! I purchased the adult's costume. :D

Nothing like a feathered chick for St. Paddy's and Easter too! :patriot:

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Back On Topic - Glad I wasn't the only one who went off topic today.

These are the things that really get to me about little baby Gabriel. No matter what, he was a totally defenseless baby who had no dog in the fight.

I think I will faint if he was not Cesar's child. I want the people responsible for his demise to have a connection they can never forget. JMO tho. [/*]
Well, we do know from RS's statement "Investigators are still waiting for lab results from the murder weapon.
the results for the paternity test of maria Lauterbach's unborn child also have not been released."
http://tinyurl.com/2xwxvm

So there may be news forthcoming that may be different from what we had believed. Also, it sounds as if they're not positive CAL is still in Mexico. :shrug:

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I'm not sure we know for fact that she had nothing for the baby. [/*]I don't think it has been reported either.

I haven't heard wither way. Matter of fact I haven't even heard the question asked to anybody that knew her.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I don't think it has been reported either.

I haven't heard wither way. Matter of fact I haven't even heard the question asked to anybody that knew her. [/*]

I thought RS said that LE knew the answer but would not
release any info........

donna

03-12-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

No, here it is....

http://www.costumecraze.com/ANML15.html

:tongue: Took that pic to the party store and they had a quick match I could pick up today. :patriot:

Edited link to costume. [/*]

Just got back to the board.

That is a great chicken costume, CANDYKISSES, but you ain't no chicken!!!!

:lol:

IvySterling

03-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I don't think it has been reported either.

I haven't heard wither way. Matter of fact I haven't even heard the question asked to anybody that knew her. [/*]
9) Do you know if Maria had purchased any baby items? We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

9) Do you know if Maria had purchased any baby items? We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time. [/*]

thanks Ivy....I was just looking at the question number...

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

You won't be alone in the fainting department if Gabriel isn't CAL's son. After picking my jaw off the ground, I'll surely be laying flat on the floor.

I'm hoping the ME or whoever will release this tidbit before, or if there is a trial.

JMO [/*]

Don't count on it Nuttintodo, simply because EITHER WAY, it might be deemed too prejudicial for a jury. IF I were a defense attorney, that would be one of my first motions. ;)

In the interest of a fair trial, I would ask that the results be sealed either way.

JMO

You notice I am optimistic after hearing they think they are closing him down and I'm already getting motions ready for a trial. :eek: If MW5 can be lining up her parade wardrobe, I think I can plan the strategy for trial. Again, JMO.

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe

I thought RS said that LE knew the answer but would not
release any info........ [/*]oops sorry if that was one of the questions asked. I didn't see it. Might have to go back over them questions.

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

9) Do you know if Maria had purchased any baby items? We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time. [/*]Thanks Ivy.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:45 PM

wasn't it in 2007 that Maria first requested to live off-base?

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I'm not sure we know for fact that she had nothing for the baby. [/*]

That's for sure as per RS' answer that question in the first round:

9) Do you know if Maria had purchased any baby items? We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time.

JMO

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe
wasn't it in 2007 that Maria first requested to live off-base? [/*]

IIRC it was in September, 2007.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

IIRC it was in September, 2007. [/*]

I thought so.....

was she just staying with her "friend" during 2006, or was
she living there?

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Don't count on it Nuttintodo, simply because EITHER WAY, it might be deemed too prejudicial for a jury. IF I were a defense attorney, that would be one of my first motions. ;)

In the interest of a fair trial, I would ask that the results be sealed either way.

JMO

You notice I am optimistic after hearing they think they are closing him down and I'm already getting motions ready for a trial. :eek: If MW5 can be lining up her parade wardrobe, I think I can plan the strategy for trial. Again, JMO. [/*]

Who knows whether the results will be sealed or not. But if they are, how will we know? :eek:

And I certainly hope Mr. Laurean will be in the OC jail eating his Easter dinner this year.

JMO

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

ITA Mimi!

And since CSL supposedly said to Maria, 'why are you doing this to our family' (paraphrasing of course) she most likely was placing all the blame on Maria for their problems.

I can see where CSL living with her sister and her family is no doubt a very stressful situation for all of them. I just feel so much for poor little Abrianna, the true innocent in this whole mess. Most likely Christina had visions of all being well in her household until Maria's accusation(s) That's a lot for a person to deal with.

And like you said, placing the blame on the other woman is most likely is a coping mechanism, so a person can get through the day.

JMO [/*]

I think it is a denial issue. It is much easier to place blame on the other party rather than look closely at the relationship between the two that are married.

I have always thought the spin and whine given by both men and women saying that the lover came and "STOLE" their SO away from them and are the wicked ones for doing so, quite revealing. When the brutal fact is imo no one can steal anything away from them unless their SO is very willing to give it away. And when that becomes the case then it is a certainty imo they weren't their's to begin with.

And I do believe Christina to this day blames Maria for all of this.

imoo

:seeya:

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe

I thought so.....

was she just staying with her "friend" during 2006, or was
she living there? [/*]

Mrs. Renner stated Maria was living with her during the Spring of 2007.

The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by hinman
oops sorry if that was one of the questions asked. I didn't see it. Might have to go back over them questions. [/*]

Don't be sorry hinman, we still don't know. :shrug: But I still think she was probably torn about what to do right up to the end.

I also think that bond between mother and child was probably sealed and she was trying to make a plan to keep her child in December.

I am really hoping that Maria was a texter and that the records will reflect why she thought she was going to Cesar's home and how the contact that day started out.

You know I have always thought communications would be key in this case and I am still holding tightly to that belief.

JMO :patriot:

SavannahStar

03-12-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

9) Do you know if Maria had purchased any baby items? We know the answers to these questions, we can not release the info at this time. [/*]

Thanks Ivy. So we cannot say for certain that she did or did not have anything for the baby.

I think this may have been just a board rumor (a guess).

IMO.

GentleBreeze

03-12-2008, 04:54 PM

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Don't be sorry hinman, we still don't know. :shrug: But I still think she was probably torn about what to do right up to the end.

I also think that bond between mother and child was probably sealed and she was trying to make a plan to keep her child in December.

I am really hoping that Maria was a texter and that the records will reflect why she thought she was going to Cesar's home and how the contact that day started out.

You know I have always thought communications would be key in this case and I am still holding tightly to that belief.

JMO :patriot: [/*]I have to agree. Communication is going to be the key. I jsut wonder whent ehy figured out to check her cell phone because if they would have done that sooner it might have led them to Cl.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Who knows whether the results will be sealed or not. But if they are, how will we know? :eek:

And I certainly hope Mr. Laurean will be in the OC jail eating his Easter dinner this year.

JMO [/*]

You may be one of the ways we will know Nuttintodo. It may take a trip to the courthouse to see if there are motions filed that are sealed.

The best case for pulling information from the web was the one that never happened. The State of Colorado vs Kobe Bryant had everything filed in the courts online and if there was a sealed motion that was there too. I don't think the State of NC does that yet, do they?

JMO.

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Which always has made me think, Candy, that she didn't know if it would be a good thing or bad thing, depending on whether or not CL left with her. JMO [/*]

I must admit, I think along those lines too. That's the only way I could interpret that one Jas. :shrug:

JMO

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

That is what I thought.

imo [/*]

Who knows what CAL told Maria. I still hold the thought that CAL led Maria to believe that he was her knight in shining armor, they would ride off in the sunset together and most likely promised her anything and everything.

JMO

hinman

03-12-2008, 04:59 PM

O/T Police in standoff with suspect #2 in Eve Carsons murder.

JanDoe

03-12-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Mrs. Renner stated Maria was living with her during the Spring of 2007.

The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html [/*]

I guess her official request to live off-base was sometime in
the summer, according to the Marine Corp PC

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Mrs. Renner stated Maria was living with her during the Spring of 2007.

The Daily News has interviewed several people who knew Lauterbach and Laurean, including Jennifer Renna, with whom Lauterbach was staying off base in the spring of 2007.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine_55423___article.html/lauterbach_turner.html [/*]

FYI, the Renner family just welcomed their child into the world March 4th. I believe it has been stated in two articles now that the Mrs. and Maria were in classes together in the beginning IIRC. :(

JMO

CANDYKISSES

03-12-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by hinman
O/T Police in standoff with suspect #2 in Eve Carsons murder. [/*]

Praying noone is hurt in this process and that they have the right suspects. :patriot:

nuttintodo

03-12-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

You may be one of the ways we will know Nuttintodo. It may take a trip to the courthouse to see if there are motions filed that are sealed.

The best case for pulling information from the web was the one that never happened. The State of Colorado vs Kobe Bryant had everything filed in the courts online and if there was a sealed motion that was there too. I don't think the State of NC does that yet, do they?

JMO. [/*]

And I will be willing to go. Whenever this trial commences, I do plan on being there as much as possible. And I invite anyone to come go too.

I'm hoping MW5 will still be here and caejde---I know she'll attend when she can.

As to all the filings being online, that may be something I will have to check into.

JMO

donna

03-12-2008, 05:02 PM

Sounds like many of us will faint if we hear CAL is not the father of Gabriel! I just so firmly believe he is.

I just have to share this about jealous wives. A woman right here in this neighborhood found out her husband was cheating on her. He traveled in his job. Well, she snipped all of the zippers out of his pants, cut all of the buttons off of his dress shirts, cut he toes out of his socks, and a big hole in the back of each pair of boxer shorts. Then she packed his suit case very neatly for his out of town trip, drove him to the airport and kissed him goodbye.
She is fine but he will not talk about it to this day - the divorce is final!

Sorry - just had to tell it.