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henry

03-11-2008, 05:16 AM

good morning . . . thinking that i might be jinxing the capture of cesar by putting a.m. on the thread every morning - so i thought i'd try something different & leave it off today. also, today is tuesday = fbi day = no change. (the 2nd link is to the charlotte fbi office)
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fo/cewanted.htm

also thought it worthwhile to repost nuttintodo's timeline re: question submission:

In regards to the questions being submitted to Capt. Sutherland, I'll be submitting them to him this Thursday, March 13th.

I will begin to compile all the questions on Wednesday, combine all double questions, etc. Before I actually submit them I will bring all the questions here so everyone will have the opportunity to make sure they are worded correctly and the questions are exactly what you would like for Sutherland to answer.

As a reminder: Please be aware he has stated that he may not be able to answer any or all of them but hopefully he can at least answer some of them.

I will then pm CW and ask her to lock the thread containing the questions.

jmo

sexxytazz

03-11-2008, 06:58 AM

Morning henry!(and everyone else)

Thanks for all the extra work you are doing on the Q&A. Haven't posted much, but do read all of it.
If it hasn't been asked in some form yet, would you add "What was Cesar wearing the morning he left?" Uniform or civilian clothing? And "Did he take extra uniforms with him?".

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by sexxytazz
Morning henry!(and everyone else)

Thanks for all the extra work you are doing on the Q&A. Haven't posted much, but do read all of it.
If it hasn't been asked in some form yet, would you add "What was Cesar wearing the morning he left?" Uniform or civilian clothing? And "Did he take extra uniforms with him?". [/*]

Good question!

And was there an inventory of personal clothing items he may have taken with him?

Were all of his Marine issued ("marine outfits" hat tip Calla) accounted for?

henry

03-11-2008, 07:55 AM

good morning . . . yes, i've recorded the above questions, but may i direct you to the questions thread so "we" don't miss any and have a "checks and balance" for the massive list! thanks :patriot:

caejde

03-11-2008, 08:37 AM

Good morning everyone! Have to catch up on last night's threads.

henry

03-11-2008, 08:40 AM

crap . . . i can't find the direct link . . . but fox news on tv just now said they're having a poll or something . . . with the question being (paraphrased) . . . would you "stand by your man" . . . hah :eek: do i dare ask the same question here?

here's the link to fox news home . . . if anybody can find the reference - thanks!
http://www.foxnews.com/

edit: some of the responses they've read on tv are a riot!

caejde

03-11-2008, 08:54 AM

Wanted to bring a small topic over from last night. I know it was mentioned that maybe the discharge Maria was facing was due to bad eyesight. If her eyes were so bad, she never would have been allowed to join. Eyesight is something they check at MEPS--as well as a long list of stuff. If you wear contacts, you wear them but also have to take them out and put on your glasses.

henry

03-11-2008, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by caejde
Wanted to bring a small topic over from last night. I know it was mentioned that maybe the discharge Maria was facing was due to bad eyesight. If her eyes were so bad, she never would have been allowed to join. Eyesight is something they check at MEPS--as well as a long list of stuff. If you wear contacts, you wear them but also have to take them out and put on your glasses. [/*]

thanks caejde . . . but now i've got a question . . . iirc maria's mom said her eyesight has gotten worse, so my question is . . . if one's eyesight worsens while in the mc, would that be a factor for discharge?

Maka

03-11-2008, 09:25 AM

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/16491036.html

"Two Months Since Laurean Disappeared"

Good to see a reminder...even if there aren't any details to report.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by henry
crap . . . i can't find the direct link . . . but fox news on tv just now said they're having a poll or something . . . with the question being (paraphrased) . . . would you "stand by your man" . . . hah :eek: do i dare ask the same question here?

here's the link to fox news home . . . if anybody can find the reference - thanks!
http://www.foxnews.com/

edit: some of the responses they've read on tv are a riot! [/*]

Isn't that related to Gov. Spitzer's wife? ......."stand by your man" relating to a sexual scandal/disgrace while in office?

caejde

03-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by henry

thanks caejde . . . but now i've got a question . . . iirc maria's mom said her eyesight has gotten worse, so my question is . . . if one's eyesight worsens while in the mc, would that be a factor for discharge? [/*]

I am not sure. I know I have really bad eyesight and I was still in. As well as my mother in law and my husband. I don't know how bad it would have to actually be. But she would have her yearly checkups. I think as long as it can be corrected to 20/20 you are ok. Also, military has the LASIK surgery that can be done as well.

henry

03-11-2008, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Isn't that related to Gov. Spitzer's wife? ......."stand by your man" relating to a sexual scandal/disgrace while in office? [/*]

yes it is but i felt the question was also applicable here . . . note that i did not bring up the subject matter - you did.

edit . . . and i provided the link before someone asked me to, or reported me to c/w for not providing the link :)

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by henry

yes it is but i felt the question was also applicable here. [/*]

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone?

henry

03-11-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

So is your question would we stick by the man we've got or would we stick by a man such as Spitzer? [/*]

oh AB . . . you and your polls :D . . . i was thinking, to keep it on topic, would you (assuming xtina's person) stick by cesar?

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

Allegedly murdered someone.

;)

And we must remember that Spitzer hasn't been convicted of anything (yet). Allegations only.

sexxytazz

03-11-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by henry

oh AB . . . you and your polls :D . . . i was thinking, to keep it on topic, would you (assuming xtina's person) stick by cesar? [/*]

No.

henry

03-11-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

not to go off topic, but to answer your question & as i understand it, death row has lots of romances and true loves and the love of my life going on . . . jmo.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 10:01 AM

Since we haven't heard whether or not Christina has filed for divorce.....I would have to say she's standing by her man.

That's what it looks like anyway.

I guess I should say "she appears to be standing by her man".

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
Since we haven't heard whether or not Christina has filed for divorce.....I would have to say she's standing by her man.

That's what it looks like anyway.

I guess I should say "she appears to be standing by her man". [/*]

I don't agree at all.

If she were filing for a divorce I'm not so sure we would hear about it. And if she is not/has not filed for divorce as yet, I don't read that as "standing by" a murderer. There are other circumstances, other things that need her more immediate attention. IMO.

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I don't agree at all.

If she were filing for a divorce I'm not so sure we would hear about it. And if she is not/has not filed for divorce as yet, I don't read that as "standing by" a murderer. There are other circumstances, other things that need her more immediate attention. IMO. [/*]

ITA. It's not like filing for divorce at this point would really solve anything, IMO. What would be gained by CSL divorcing CAL while he's on the run?

If CSL is just an innocent bystander in all of this, she might be struggling just to put one foot in front of the other every day. I know I would find it hard to stay on track with this situation bearing down on me all of the time.

There's plenty of time to legally separate herself from CAL if that's what she wants to do. No need to rush, IMO.

Oh, and good morning to everyone! I've been reading but not posting much lately. Day 61...that's disheartening.

Regina.Lampert

03-11-2008, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Yes, krect. She appears to be standing by "her" man and I use the term loosely ("her") because apparenlty he could be "anybodys" man with a wink and a nod- IMO- [/*]

I thought you used the term "man" loosely...... :mad:

:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well......there's a huge difference between sexual scandal and murder, IMO. Do you actually feel anyone would "stand by" their husband who murdered someone? [/*]

Heck no I wouldn't. I wouldn't stand by my man if he was Governor of NY either.:D

But I am not Christina Laurean or any other woman who has had a husband who has murdered.

I have read where women do stand by their man even knowing they have murdered. Sheesh some of them even cover up that the brute murdered or molested their own child.

So I sure don't find it impossible but I will never understand these kind of women but then we have women wanting to marry murderers that are in prison also. :shrug: Sometimes it is hard to figure out why some women do what they do.

imoo

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

ITA. It's not like filing for divorce at this point would really solve anything, IMO. What would be gained by CSL divorcing CAL while he's on the run?

If CSL is just an innocent bystander in all of this, she might be struggling just to put one foot in front of the other every day. I know I would find it hard to stay on track with this situation bearing down on me all of the time.

There's plenty of time to legally separate herself from CAL if that's what she wants to do. No need to rush, IMO.

Oh, and good morning to everyone! I've been reading but not posting much lately. Day 61...that's disheartening. [/*]

That's the same reasoning I give as to why Christina hasn't been charged with anything or cleared yet. What purpose does it serve right now?

And in NC, the separation clock started on 1/11. If he's not surfaced by that time next year, I believe the divorce is just a formality at that point (based on one year's separation).

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

She can't be compelled to testify against her husband, do you think that means anything to her? [/*]

Possibly, but I don't know for certain what her own involvement was in either the crime or the cover up. If she is innocent of any involvement, she may still want to be in the position of his wife should he ever be brought to trial. As you pointed out, as long as they are married, she cannot be compelled to testify against him.

That would be a version of "standing by your man."

I don't get it, and don't understand why anyone would choose to stand by someone in these circumstances, but clearly women and men choose that option...:shrug:

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Possibly, but I don't know for certain what her own involvement was in either the crime or the cover up. If she is innocent of any involvement, she may still want to be in the position of his wife should he ever be brought to trial. As you pointed out, as long as they are married, she cannot be compelled to testify against him.

That would be a version of "standing by your man."

I don't get it, and don't understand why anyone would choose to stand by someone in these circumstances, but clearly women and men choose that option...:shrug: [/*]

It makes me wonder if she is going to remain a cooperating witness (for her benefit now) until he returns then at that time she will have her lawyer advise them she no longer will have anything to say.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

She can't be compelled to testify against her husband, do you think that means anything to her? [/*]

I do think it means something as I still think they had a deal when he left town. JMO tho and nothing more.:shrug:

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

It makes me wonder if she is going to remain a cooperating witness (for her benefit now) until he returns then at that time she will have her lawyer advise them she no longer will have anything to say.

imoo [/*]

This I could see. :(

Oh how I look forward to the day Cesar is returned to NC and the chaos that will then develop in the search for justice.

JMO.:patriot:

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

That's the same reasoning I give as to why Christina hasn't been charged with anything or cleared yet. What purpose does it serve right now?

And in NC, the separation clock started on 1/11. If he's not surfaced by that time next year, I believe the divorce is just a formality at that point (based on one year's separation). [/*]

Agreed. And I didn't know that about NC...how long would he have to be gone before she could have him declared dead? Or would that never happen because it's assumed that he is in another country?

bkwits

03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 10:57 AM

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 10:59 AM

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Agreed. And I didn't know that about NC...how long would he have to be gone before she could have him declared dead? Or would that never happen because it's assumed that he is in another country? [/*]

I think it's 7 years with no sightings or information to lead anyone to believe he's still alive. No traceable financial transactions, nothing.

Wouldn't that be something? :eek:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I do think it means something as I still think they had a deal when he left town. JMO tho and nothing more.:shrug: [/*]

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course.

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

This I could see. :(

Oh how I look forward to the day Cesar is returned to NC and the chaos that will then develop in the search for justice.

JMO.:patriot: [/*]

Hi Candy!

I just think she is going to really wrestle with being the key witness that puts the father of her child away for the rest of his life.

It was her lawyer that came out to protect the property and evidence found (shoe) not CALs I saw that as a protection for Cesar. JMO tho.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Me 2! Let's just hope it actually happens someday...:D [/*]

I have to believe he will come back. Something just tells me there is more to this and getting them together is the key IMO.

Hope you're doing the baby countdown.... :patriot:

jmo

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I think it's 7 years with no sightings or information to lead anyone to believe he's still alive. No traceable financial transactions, nothing.

Wouldn't that be something? :eek: [/*]

Yes, it would be something allright! :flamemad:

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I have to believe he will come back. Something just tells me there is more to this and getting them together is the key IMO.

Hope you're doing the baby countdown.... :patriot:

jmo [/*]

I'm with you. If I thought he was truly gone for good, I would never read here or post again. I wanna be here when he gets dragged back to NC in shackles...:D

And yes...baby countdown is on! 7 weeks...so exciting!!!

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course. [/*]

Yes she was reactivated pretty darn quickly IMO and I don't have a source for the norm. However, that said, I would want the baby to have protection all the way around with being taken care of and medical benefits. I don't know when everything comes to a quick hault for someone in Cesar's shoes.

I still wonder if the plan by coding letters was to eventually hook up if the story was bought hook, line and sinker.

We have to remember they are young and I still maintain that it's been luck that shielded Cesar and nothing more, unless Cryme's theory were to be true. jmo

strick10

03-11-2008, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

ITA with your JMO.

And wasn't she re-activated right after he left? What is the normal procedure for that? Could she have asked earlier for reactivation or was she reactivated - just in case?

You know, like making sure she couldn't follow him?

JMO and all that of course. [/*]

She was placed on an active duty status in Jan 08. She would have had to have a package in requesting that her status be changed from reserve to active. Since it takes time to process these packages she most likely had her request package in up to 6 months before and it just happened that her package was approved during Dec/Jan for her status change.

Kel65

03-11-2008, 11:18 AM

I don't think Cesar will be caught by LE actually looking for him. IMO it will happen if he slips up some how. Who knows how long that will take, if ever?

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Hi Candy!

I just think she is going to really wrestle with being the key witness that puts the father of her child away for the rest of his life.

It was her lawyer that came out to protect the property and evidence found (shoe) not CALs I saw that as a protection for Cesar. JMO tho.

imoo [/*]

I agree and depending on what is really truth and what is fiction in reading between the lines, she may also struggle with her own guilt at some point too. We just don't know....and IMO that is because nobody will ever be able to BE PROOF POSITIVE about Maria and her unborn child's last hours. (UNLESS there is another person who has the WHOLE TRUTH in testimony at some point)

When watching the Shawna Nelson trial a few weeks ago, it was amazing how many people had pieces needed and how long they had one person listed as a cooperating witness before the plea deal. It was many months and they were on the scene for the victim's death in minutes as far as LE and forensics teams.

But it was cops helping each other and WHEW....what a story. WHEN TRU TV airs the trial, I steadfastly ENCOURAGE anyone and everyone who has the opportunity to watch it. I believe when Cesar is captured and we have a trial, we may see much of what went on there, come to fruition in this case.

I hope NC WANTED does indeed get back on the trail and goes to Mexico seeking out Cesar or info from other sources.

ALL JMO. :patriot:

caejde

03-11-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by strick10

She was placed on an active duty status in Jan 08. She would have had to have a package in requesting that her status be changed from reserve to active. Since it takes time to process these packages she most likely had her request package in up to 6 months before and it just happened that her package was approved during Dec/Jan for her status change. [/*]

Not only that strick, but the Marines said that she had already been activated prior to all of this. And that activation was good for a year...so she had to have been activated in late 2006, early 2007 and then she decided to be augmented and stay active.

strick10

03-11-2008, 11:29 AM

Jas.S
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Originally posted by strick10

Just basically that the girl knows where CAL is and posts the picture. One commentor says she's overdone it in assuming such, one says that he dislikes the group even more now and one says that the band member resembles one of the guys. [/*]
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Sorry, Strick, but that is incorrect.

The girl says it is a joke, from the link here it is:

"ok, es una broma estupida." Broma=joke

Then her friends bug her about why she doesn't like the band leader any more and mention the band.

It's like a myspace page. A personal one where friends post to her.

BTW, in her profile she says she is interested in chess, WW2, Hitler, Einstein and chocolate.

Last edited by Jas.S on 03-10-2008 at 11:21 PM

Thought I'd bring this post over from last night. It was a loose interpetation on my end and I didn't place any serious thought to the page. I do not feel I my loose interptation was incorrect. And yes it was a joke by the poster. I don't want to anyone to think that I made up any of what I interpeted. Didn't think my spanish would be graded so next time I shall not loosely interpete any spanish, spanglish, texmex etc. The end.

BTW Good Mornin' All

:seeya:

caejde

03-11-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by strick10
**respectfully snipped**

BTW Good Mornin' All

:seeya: [/*]

Morning Strick!

strick10

03-11-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by caejde

Not only that strick, but the Marines said that she had already been activated prior to all of this. And that activation was good for a year...so she had to have been activated in late 2006, early 2007 and then she decided to be augmented and stay active. [/*]

Good add caejde. I'm wondering what her MOS is as it is difficult to augmentate into an MOS that is not short or in need.

henry

03-11-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by strick10

She was placed on an active duty status in Jan 08. She would have had to have a package in requesting that her status be changed from reserve to active. Since it takes time to process these packages she most likely had her request package in up to 6 months before and it just happened that her package was approved during Dec/Jan for her status change. [/*]

yup . . . and i was going to add that i remember one of mw5's posts saying the same.

caejde

03-11-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by strick10

Good add caejde. I'm wondering what her MOS is as it is difficult to augmentate into an MOS that is not short or in need. [/*]

I have no idea what her MOS is. But for her to have been activated to begin with it was probably for an MOS that is short.

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Thanks CK I will be looking for that trail. Sounds riveting. And, if you know its coming up could you give a heads up? Thanks. [/*]

Absolutely Annie. :seeya:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by caejde

I have no idea what her MOS is. But for her to have been activated to begin with it was probably for an MOS that is short. [/*]

Strange coinky-dinky if you ask me.

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by strick10

She was placed on an active duty status in Jan 08. She would have had to have a package in requesting that her status be changed from reserve to active. Since it takes time to process these packages she most likely had her request package in up to 6 months before and it just happened that her package was approved during Dec/Jan for her status change. [/*]

Could they ever sign an emergency order instead of waiting?

thanks

imoo

caejde

03-11-2008, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Strange coinky-dinky if you ask me. [/*]

How so?

henry

03-11-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by caejde

How so? [/*]

i'm not them . . . so if our posts cross pls disegard. i think they wonder that . . . based on what happened 1/11 that it would be a good idea to get xtina back on base asap. . . under mc's watchful eye . . . jmo and only guessing :)

caejde

03-11-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by henry

i'm not them . . . so if our posts cross pls disegard. i think they wonder that . . . based on what happened 1/11 that it would be a good idea to get xtina back on base asap. . . under mc's watchful eye . . . jmo and only guessing :) [/*]

I see that and understand how it could be coincedence. But I don't think Christina being activated had anything to do with the death of Maria. As I posted up thread, she was activated long before for a year and that year was up and wanted to stay active duty.

strick10

03-11-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Could they ever sign an emergency order instead of waiting?

thanks

imoo [/*]

I personally doubt it. She's a witness and hasn't been charged with anything as well as the fact that the crime happened off base doesn't render an immediate activation. Besides her being a reservists still gave the MC some control over her.

strick10

03-11-2008, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Strange coinky-dinky if you ask me. [/*]

Coinky-dinky? Never heard that before, it's funny.:lol:

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 12:33 PM

This is an email that our poster, donna, sent to CS and his reply to her email (I have purposely left out her name in her email addy and her name at the end of her email). Donna sent this to me at my email address, I have all the headers, etc, so this is a legit email.

I did receive permission from donna to post this.

Subject: RE: Question
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:09:17 -0400
From: "Rick Sutherland" <Rick_Sutherland@onslowcountync.gov>
To: XXXXXX@aol.com

Thank-you for your kind words.

In an investigation like this, there is rarely a time when we are willing to declare that someone is "cleared" of any involvement. We can only operate with the information that we possess at the current time. We are continuing to interview people and we are waiting on results from our crime labs.

Christina continues to be a cooperating witness with our Office.

If at any point in the future, we develop information that incriminates anyone in this case, we will discuss appropriate charges with the DA's Office.

Captain Sutherland

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From: XXXXXX@aol.com
Sent: Sun 3/9/2008 3:26 PM
To: Rick Sutherland
Subject: Question

Captain Sutherland, I know all of you are very busy there at Onslow County Sheriffs Dept. with your many cases and the Maria Lauterbach murder investigation. I commend you for the great job you are doing!

I would just like to ask one question and will understand if you cannot answer it. The question may have already been answered and I simply missed it.

The question is: Has Christina Laurean been cleared of any participation in the cover up of Maria's murder, or is it sure that she will never be charged with any wrongdoing?

Thank you so much!

XXXXXX

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And if anyone has any questions they wish to be sent to CS, please add them to the question thread or pm them directly to me. I will be sending them in on Thursday. Thanks to henry and all the others who have been helping me to accomplish this!

I think it's great that we have the ability to 'speak' directly to CS.

Good mornin' all. :seeya:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by caejde

I see that and understand how it could be coincedence. But I don't think Christina being activated had anything to do with the death of Maria. As I posted up thread, she was activated long before for a year and that year was up and wanted to stay active duty. [/*]

So did she specifically ask to be reactivated? If so, when? 'Cause I'm thinking it's been posted that she was working at some regular job there in Jacksonville. Wouldn't her 4 years have been up? Or is reactivation automatic unless someone decides after their time they want out?

And if she asked to be reactivated because of the medical care, etc, wouldn't they already have that with Cesar's service? Provided, of course, that he hadn't taken off?

Does it take up to 6 months to reactivate someone who's only been on inactive status for a year?

Just questions - not specifically directed at you, but if you know the answers then TIA!

strick10

03-11-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
This is an email that our poster, donna, sent to CS and his reply to her email (I have purposely left out her name in her email addy and her name at the end of her email). Donna sent this to me at my email address, I have all the headers, etc, so this is a legit email.

I did receive permission from donna to post this.

Subject: RE: Question
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:09:17 -0400
From: "Rick Sutherland" <Rick_Sutherland@onslowcountync.gov>
To: XXXXXX@aol.com

Thank-you for your kind words.

In an investigation like this, there is rarely a time when we are willing to declare that someone is "cleared" of any involvement. We can only operate with the information that we possess at the current time. We are continuing to interview people and we are waiting on results from our crime labs.

Christina continues to be a cooperating witness with our Office.

If at any point in the future, we develop information that incriminates anyone in this case, we will discuss appropriate charges with the DA's Office.

Captain Sutherland

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From: XXXXXX@aol.com
Sent: Sun 3/9/2008 3:26 PM
To: Rick Sutherland
Subject: Question

Captain Sutherland, I know all of you are very busy there at Onslow County Sheriffs Dept. with your many cases and the Maria Lauterbach murder investigation. I commend you for the great job you are doing!

I would just like to ask one question and will understand if you cannot answer it. The question may have already been answered and I simply missed it.

The question is: Has Christina Laurean been cleared of any participation in the cover up of Maria's murder, or is it sure that she will never be charged with any wrongdoing?

Thank you so much!

XXXXXX

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And if anyone has any questions they wish to be sent to CS, please add them to the question thread or pm them directly to me. I will be sending them in on Thursday. Thanks to henry and all the others who have been helping me to accomplish this!

I think it's great that we have the ability to 'speak' directly to CS.

Good mornin' all. :seeya: [/*]

Thank you so much! :seeya:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
*respectfully snipped*

I think it's great that we have the ability to 'speak' directly to CS.

Good mornin' all. :seeya: [/*]

Wow! He just killed two birds with one stone (so to speak),

1) They're STILL waiting on lab results; and

2) Christina has not been cleared and is still maintaining "cooperative witness" status.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

*snipped*

2) Christina has not been cleared and is still maintaining "cooperative witness" status. [/*]

Note:

"In an investigation like this, there is rarely a time when we are willing to declare that someone is "cleared" of any involvement."

Basically I posted several days back that we would not get a reply from him clearing her or not clearing her. Doesn't take a rocket scientist! IMO.

strick10

03-11-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

So did she specifically ask to be reactivated? If so, when? 'Cause I'm thinking it's been posted that she was working at some regular job there in Jacksonville. Wouldn't her 4 years have been up? Or is reactivation automatic unless someone decides after their time they want out?

And if she asked to be reactivated because of the medical care, etc, wouldn't they already have that with Cesar's service? Provided, of course, that he hadn't taken off?

Does it take up to 6 months to reactivate someone who's only been on inactive status for a year?

Just questions - not specifically directed at you, but if you know the answers then TIA! [/*]

She would have had to asked to be augmented to active duty. There is a difference between active reserve and augmented active duty. Active reserves go to work w/ the MC for a certain amount of time ususally 2 weeks out of the year then they go back to their reserve satus which consists of once a month reserve drills. If the MC deems that they need the reservist for a longer period of time they will extend that reservists active reserve status.
Augmented reservists become regular active duty Marines and they no longer fall into the reservists catagory. Augmentaiton of a regular reservist due to medical would not be considered IMO. Now a reservist that is on an active reserve status may be considered for an extension of the active reserve status due to a medical issue based on what the military docs recommend.

There has to be a need in the MOS, military occupational specialty, in order for a reservist to even be considered for augmenation. I'm sure there may be other reasons but this is the most common. In my experience it can take up to 6 months for the augmented package to be approved. I've seen quite a few of these packages while I served on I&I duty.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Note:

"In an investigation like this, there is rarely a time when we are willing to declare that someone is "cleared" of any involvement."

Basically I posted several days back that we would not get a reply from him clearing her or not clearing her. Doesn't take a rocket scientist! IMO. [/*]

Okay, but what he says in this particular email cannot be misconstrued, twisted, or turned into anything but her current cooperative witness status.

But IIRC, the Lowe's guy was listed as "cooperative" and "cleared" (or indicated no knowledge of the crime).

henry

03-11-2008, 01:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nuttintodo
This is an email that our poster, donna, sent to CS and his reply to her email
snip for shortness

:seeya: thanks for multi-tasking!

Maka

03-11-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Okay, but what he says in this particular email cannot be misconstrued, twisted, or turned into anything but her current cooperative witness status.

But IIRC, the Lowe's guy was listed as "cooperative" and "cleared" (or indicated no knowledge of the crime). [/*]

Here's one article about the Lowe's guy and what RS said about him.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4174363&page=2

"Sutherland told ABC News that authorities have interviewed the friend seen in the Lowe's videotape three times and that he is considered a "cooperating witness." "

strick10

03-11-2008, 01:26 PM

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/16491036.html

Darn, no confirmed sightings....not a good sign.

donna

03-11-2008, 01:38 PM

Hello, everyone.
I certainly hope that none of you are mad at me for sending that email to Captain Sutherland. I have had his email address since Feb. 5, 2008 when I had sent him an email then.

I sent this particular email on Sunday, and I got the response yesterday. There was such a 'to do' about the insistance that Christina had been cleared that I wanted to ask him. IMO, she has not been cleared, and not all of the forensics are back yet.

Please do not be upset with me for having emailed Captain Sutherland! As I said, I have had his email since Feb. 5, 2008.

Thanks!

caejde

03-11-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

So did she specifically ask to be reactivated? If so, when? 'Cause I'm thinking it's been posted that she was working at some regular job there in Jacksonville. Wouldn't her 4 years have been up? Or is reactivation automatic unless someone decides after their time they want out?

And if she asked to be reactivated because of the medical care, etc, wouldn't they already have that with Cesar's service? Provided, of course, that he hadn't taken off?

Does it take up to 6 months to reactivate someone who's only been on inactive status for a year?

Just questions - not specifically directed at you, but if you know the answers then TIA! [/*]

As far as I know, she was just a reservist-once a month drill and 2 weeks active duty per year. The Marines said in their presser that she had received mobilization orders for one year. So it was actually the Marine Corps that activated her first. And they usually do that when there is a need for certain MOS's. Then, that year was up and she requested to be augmented-to stay on active duty. I don't know how long packages take as I never dealt with that. But as strick was saying in her experience it has taken up to 6 months to approve those. I can see why she would want to stay. Beats working at a job where you're not making much money. And yes, she would still be listed as a dependent on Cesar's SRB. But, she would be bringing in just a little less than he a month. And that could be a good bit. All the jobs I've seen around here aren't paying more than $9 bucks an hour. And when you have kids there is no point working for that pay and trying to pay daycare. (in my situation anyway). When my husband was in the Guard, and we were worried about him finding a job in his career field, he said that he would go back active duty if necessary. Hope I havent confused you even more!

donna

03-11-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by strick10
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/16491036.html

Darn, no confirmed sightings....not a good sign. [/*]

And that absolutely no one has seen CAL worries me!

donna

03-11-2008, 01:46 PM

Does anyone know what Christina's MOS is? I cannot remember if it has been posted or not.
TIA

caejde

03-11-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by donna
Does anyone know what Christina's MOS is? I cannot remember if it has been posted or not.
TIA [/*]

I am not sure of her MOS.

I did find out that there are only a few Marine Corps Reserve Centers in North Carolina. And this is the one in which Christina would have been a part of. They are Camp Lejeune, Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Wilmington. Chances are she was either at the Lejeune, Raleigh, or Wilmington ones. And this is where she would have drilled one weekend per month.

Also, I got to thinking about how Christina and Cesar met. I mean afterall she was from Illinois right? So I am wondering how she and Cesar met. Was she down here visiting her sister for the summer and met him and then got pregnant and such. And I would like to know when did she join the Reserves.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by donna
Hello, everyone.
I certainly hope that none of you are mad at me for sending that email to Captain Sutherland. I have had his email address since Feb. 5, 2008 when I had sent him an email then.

I sent this particular email on Sunday, and I got the response yesterday. There was such a 'to do' about the insistance that Christina had been cleared that I wanted to ask him. IMO, she has not been cleared, and not all of the forensics are back yet.

Please do not be upset with me for having emailed Captain Sutherland! As I said, I have had his email since Feb. 5, 2008.

Thanks! [/*]

I'm not mad at you in the least! The only "curiosity" for me was why you had someone else post it instead of yourself. :confused:

donna

03-11-2008, 02:03 PM

donna

03-11-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I'm not mad at you in the least! The only "curiosity" for me was why you had someone else post it instead of yourself. :confused: [/*]

I do not know how to post an email! I have had a home computer since 1995, but have just never learned how to cut and paste very well. I have no idea how to post one!

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by caejde

I am not sure of her MOS.

I did find out that there are only a few Marine Corps Reserve Centers in North Carolina. And this is the one in which Christina would have been a part of. They are Camp Lejeune, Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Wilmington. Chances are she was either at the Lejeune, Raleigh, or Wilmington ones. And this is where she would have drilled one weekend per month.

Also, I got to thinking about how Christina and Cesar met. I mean afterall she was from Illinois right? So I am wondering how she and Cesar met. Was she down here visiting her sister for the summer and met him and then got pregnant and such. And I would like to know when did she join the Reserves. [/*]

CSL probably drilled at Lejeune.

According to their marriage license, CSL is from the Marion/Upper Sandusky, Ohio area.

I thought she was AD previously and after her EAS she stayed in the Reserves or am I completely wrong?

If anyone has access to the Lejeune network, they can access the Marine Locator and find out her MOS. Whenever I try to access the Locator here, it tells me that I have to contact Public Affairs, etc. and make a request.

jmo

strick10

03-11-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by caejde

I am not sure of her MOS.

I did find out that there are only a few Marine Corps Reserve Centers in North Carolina. And this is the one in which Christina would have been a part of. They are Camp Lejeune, Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Wilmington. Chances are she was either at the Lejeune, Raleigh, or Wilmington ones. And this is where she would have drilled one weekend per month.

Also, I got to thinking about how Christina and Cesar met. I mean afterall she was from Illinois right? So I am wondering how she and Cesar met. Was she down here visiting her sister for the summer and met him and then got pregnant and such. And I would like to know when did she join the Reserves. [/*]

NC has a communications, maintenance, supply and landing support reserve centers. IL has a weapons, support maintenance, engineers, recon, wing communictions/tactical and intel units. Lejeune has the deployment processing command. She kinda rubs me as a motor transport kind of person, don't know why.

Maybe she met CAL while he was in school at Johnson and she was doing her 2 weeks active time. Maybe met at a club or something. Don't think she was visiting her sister. Her sister is 21 so if CAL and CSL met in 2005 that would've made her sis about 19, but then again who knows if her sister was on her own already and living in J'ville.

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by donna

I do not know how to post an email! I have had a home computer since 1995, but have just never learned how to cut and paste very well. I have no idea how to post one! [/*]

That's why you contacted me and asked me to pass the info on.

There was nothing sinister or underhanded involved. Not all people are computer literate.

JMO

strick10

03-11-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

CSL probably drilled at Lejeune.

According to their marriage license, CSL is from the Marion/Upper Sandusky, Ohio area.

I thought she was AD previously and after her EAS she stayed in the Reserves or am I completely wrong?

If anyone has access to the Lejeune network, they can access the Marine Locator and find out her MOS. Whenever I try to access the Locator here, it tells me that I have to contact Public Affairs, etc. and make a request.

jmo [/*]

Oh, I just thought of something. The Marine Reserve Center is right down the street from me here on base. I was stationed there from 90 - 94 and my hubby was again there from 2000 - 2005. I know some of the staff (staff changed from the last one I knew better) from the MC Ball and what not and I still see some of the reserves that still drill here that drilled during my/our time there. Gonna go down there on my next trip out and ask to see if they can provide me her MOS.

donna

03-11-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

That's why you contacted me and asked me to pass the info on.

There was nothing sinister or underhanded involved. Not all people are computer literate.

JMO [/*]

Thanks, nuttin!

I have done many reports and so forth on computer, but have just never done anything in the way of posting anything from my computer onto a message board. I can do spreadsheets, tho!

I wanted you to share the email because you have posted emails, pics and so forth from your computer!

BTW, thank you so much for having done so much! The only other question I would have wanted to ask is one henry has already added to the questions thread. It is whether or not anyone has actually seen CAL since 4:00 AM on Jan. 11, 2008! Thank you, henry for all you do as well!

:)

caejde

03-11-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by strick10

NC has a communications, maintenance, supply and landing support reserve centers. IL has a weapons, support maintenance, engineers, recon, wing communictions/tactical and intel units. Lejeune has the deployment processing command. She kinda rubs me as a motor transport kind of person, don't know why.

Maybe she met CAL while he was in school at Johnson and she was doing her 2 weeks active time. Maybe met at a club or something. Don't think she was visiting her sister. Her sister is 21 so if CAL and CSL met in 2005 that would've made her sis about 19, but then again who knows if her sister was on her own already and living in J'ville. [/*]

Good catch on sis's age...wasn't thinking about that. And also good thinking on them meeting at school. MW5 said that her husband and Christina's recruiters are friends. And when Christina found out she was pregnant went to talk to him. So, now I wonder if she was recruited out of Jacksonville or Ohio.

caejde

03-11-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Oh, I just thought of something. The Marine Reserve Center is right down the street from me here on base. I was stationed there from 90 - 94 and my hubby was again there from 2000 - 2005. I know some of the staff (staff changed from the last one I knew better) from the MC Ball and what not and I still see some of the reserves that still drill here that drilled during my/our time there. Gonna go down there on my next trip out and ask to see if they can provide me her MOS. [/*]

I know when I was in IRR, the Reserve Center in Kansas City had all my info. Is that the same if you are just regular reserves or just IRR?

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 02:32 PM

Rep. Turner Demands Answers on Death of LCpl Lauterbach

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Michael Turner (OH-03) today demanded answers to multiple questions on the death of Marine Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach.

http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/03/rep-turner-demands-answers-on-death-of.html

Charlotte

03-11-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
This is an email that our poster, donna, sent to CS and his reply to her email (I have purposely left out her name in her email addy and her name at the end of her email). Donna sent this to me at my email address, I have all the headers, etc, so this is a legit email.

<snip> [/*]

What I get from this e-mail exchange is that Capt. Sutherland's answers to donna and to WomanWithout were sent sixteen minutes apart, and contain nearly identical language.

It was essentially the same question asked by each poster -- whether CLS has been cleared or is "in the clear," or will she ever be charged with anything.

Here is Sutherland's answer to donna on Monday the 10th at 2:09 p.m.:

In an investigation like this, there is rarely a time when we are willing to declare that someone is "cleared" of any involvement. We can only operate with the information that we possess at the current time. We are continuing to interview people and we are waiting on results from our crime labs.

Christina continues to be a cooperating witness with our Office.

If at any point in the future, we develop information that incriminates anyone in this case, we will discuss appropriate charges with the DA's Office.

Captain Sutherland

Here is his answer to WomanWithout on Monday, Mar. 10 at 2:27 p.m.:

I am sure that you know that cases like this are very dynamic. We can only operate with the information that we possess at any given time. Christina continues to be a cooperating witness with our Office. If we develop information that incriminates anyone else in this case, we will discuss appropriate charges with the DA's Office.

My question is why the answer to WomanWithout was derided as "reading like a novel" and declared by several posters as not fitting with what Sutherland usually writes, yet the same has not been said about the identical language used in his answer to donna? The implication in several responses to WomanWithout was that her e-mail wasn't real, yet that implication has not been employed with respect to Sutherland's other e-mail to a different poster.

The identical answers given by Capt. Sutherland in a 16-minute timespan should lay to rest the speculation that WomanWithout's e-mail exchange with him was anything but legitimate.

Hers was posted here first, but met with a much different reaction than the posting of the second one. Why is that? Is is all right for some posters to send questions to Capt. Sutherland outside of the group Q&A list, and then post the answers, but not for other posters to do so?

Also, regarding the mystery of the two "ii's" seen in Sutherland's e-mail address in WW's post -- since her original post is gone, it's not apparent whether the two "ii's" were, in fact, there. We are going by the post as quoted by another poster, and it's not impossible for a change to inadvertently occur to any text -- including text being quoted -- while in the "reply" box of a post being created. Just sayin'.

strick10

03-11-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Well, it was not, of course, grading your Spanish. But since you did say that you found it while looking in Mexican newspapers/media, iirc, and that the blogger said she knew where CL was--and other posters reacted as if that were the case, noticing the different facial features, etc--I thought it prudent to make sure that posters knew that she stated very broadly that it "was a stupid joke." And that her friends--the ones you referred to as "commentors"--were giving her a hard time about her obsession with that band.

So while I certainly did not think you had "made up" what you interpreted, I think it left out the most obvious aspects of the post--that it was a joke, not anyone looking for CL, and that it was a girl with some friends mssging her. [/*]

The title did state that the blogger knew where CL was. Anyhow, you are correct in that I should've added that this blogger was posting her post as a joke.

strick10

03-11-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by caejde

I know when I was in IRR, the Reserve Center in Kansas City had all my info. Is that the same if you are just regular reserves or just IRR? [/*]

Reserve centers have access to MarForRes records for reserves for sure, not sure about the IRR.

henry

03-11-2008, 02:39 PM

caejde: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

Snipped

Also, regarding the mystery of the two "ii's" seen in Sutherland's e-mail address in WW's post -- since her original post is gone, it's not apparent whether the two "ii's" were, in fact, there. We are going by the post as quoted by another poster, and it's not impossible for a change to inadvertently occur to any text -- including text being quoted -- while in the "reply" box of a post being created. Just sayin'. [/*]

Can you give us an example from this site of the changes in text you describe in using the reply option? I've never seen anything like that, so I would encourage you to post it on the feedback forum.

I've seen posters make changes, but I do not believe that was the case here. Any poster who changes a quote has been banned from what I've seen here in the past.

JMO

ETA - Sans the problem with the "*"- bee that admin has been made aware of from what I've read in the past.

caejde

03-11-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by nelkirk

Where's the parade...WE missed the fact that you are NOW a Senior Member+13 posts.

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/*]

WooHoo! I wasn't really paying attention!

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

My question is why the answer to WomanWithout was derided as "reading like a novel" and declared by several posters as not fitting with what Sutherland usually writes, yet the same has not been said about the identical language used in his answer to donna? The implication in several responses to WomanWithout was that her e-mail wasn't real, yet that implication has not been employed with respect to Sutherland's other e-mail to a different poster.

The identical answers given by Capt. Sutherland in a 16-minute timespan should lay to rest the speculation that WomanWithout's e-mail exchange with him was anything but legitimate.

Hers was posted here first, but met with a much different reaction than the posting of the second one. Why is that? Is is all right for some posters to send questions to Capt. Sutherland outside of the group Q&A list, and then post the answers, but not for other posters to do so?

Also, regarding the mystery of the two "ii's" seen in Sutherland's e-mail address in WW's post -- since her original post is gone, it's not apparent whether the two "ii's" were, in fact, there. We are going by the post as quoted by another poster, and it's not impossible for a change to inadvertently occur to any text -- including text being quoted -- while in the "reply" box of a post being created. Just sayin'. [/*]

Interesting, now that you mention it.

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Rep. Turner Demands Answers on Death of LCpl Lauterbach

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Michael Turner (OH-03) today demanded answers to multiple questions on the death of Marine Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach.

http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/03/rep-turner-demands-answers-on-death-of.html [/*]

It would appear they defend their handling of the case after a review of how it was handled as far as the USMC goes.

From the blog:

“Lance Corporal Lauterbach’s case highlights the need to elevate the protection accorded female military personnel who file claims that they have been sexually assaulted and raises serious questions about the procedures that the military has in place for responding to sexual assault claims,” Rep. Turner said. “I have been briefed by General Michael Regner. He has informed me that the Marine Corps has reviewed their internal procedures, determined that appropriate procedures have been followed and that the ‘matter was concluded’. I disagree.”

JMO.

caejde

03-11-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

It would appear they defend their handling of the case after a review of how it was handled as far as the USMC goes.

From the blog:

“Lance Corporal Lauterbach’s case highlights the need to elevate the protection accorded female military personnel who file claims that they have been sexually assaulted and raises serious questions about the procedures that the military has in place for responding to sexual assault claims,” Rep. Turner said. “I have been briefed by General Michael Regner. He has informed me that the Marine Corps has reviewed their internal procedures, determined that appropriate procedures have been followed and that the ‘matter was concluded’. I disagree.”

JMO. [/*]

But that's still not good enough for some. Hopefully, the Commandant will still look into it and answer the questions the Lauterbach family sent to him.

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by caejde

But that's still not good enough for some. Hopefully, the Commandant will still look into it and answer the questions the Lauterbach family sent to him. [/*]

I understand the family wanting to know for sure what was going on. That said, I think after some pretty lengthy debate; it appeared the USMC followed their own procedures in the rape allegations.

JMO tho. :patriot:

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

That's why you contacted me and asked me to pass the info on.

There was nothing sinister or underhanded involved. Not all people are computer literate.

JMO [/*]

I didn't think anything was sinister or underhanded.....just, as I said, "curious." It never would have occurred to me in a million years that someone didn't know how to copy/paste. Mea culpa on that. I've been using a computer for so long (job and personal life) that I seldom even consider anyone not being computer literate anymore.

donna

03-11-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by nelkirk

TY

Good job Donna...any and all information is graciously accepted... [/*]

Thank you, nelkirk.

donna

03-11-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I didn't think anything was sinister or underhanded.....just, as I said, "curious." It never would have occurred to me in a million years that someone didn't know how to copy/paste. Mea culpa on that. I've been using a computer for so long (job and personal life) that I seldom even consider anyone not being computer literate anymore. [/*]

It is not that I am not computer literate. I just have not had any reason to transfer an email from my computer to a message board.

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 03:06 PM

caejde

03-11-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Thanks, LG! Looks to me like Rep Turner took a look at the questions from our board here before he wrote his letter...:D

Seriously, I'm glad that someone in the public eye is demanding answers. I don't know that he'll get the answers, but at least he is asking for them. [/*]

I think he'll get answers.

donna

03-11-2008, 03:11 PM

I would just like to state that my email to Captain Sutherland and the one WW sent had nothing to do with each other, and my email was sent to a different email address.

That is all I intend to say about it!

:)

donna

03-11-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by caejde

I think he'll get answers. [/*]

Congrats to becoming a senior member!

I surely do hope he will get answers!

:)

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by donna

It is not that I am not computer literate. I just have not had any reason to transfer an email from my computer to a message board. [/*]

Holy cow.....I better shut up about this......I don't think my words are being interpreted correctly.

Sorry, Donna.

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by donna
I would just like to state that my email to Captain Sutherland and the one WW sent had nothing to do with each other, and my email was sent to a different email address.

That is all I intend to say about it!

:) [/*]

Boy, looks like there was some excitement on one of the days I didn't read or post here...suffice it to say, I'm glad you emailed RS and appreciate the fact that you shared his response with us. I don't know anything about WW 'cuz apparently I was not here when it all happened, so I really have nothing to say about that!

;)

caejde

03-11-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by donna

Congrats to becoming a senior member!

I surely do hope he will get answers!

:) [/*]

Thanks donna!

I do think the family will get answers. I just hope they are ready to receive the answers whether they be positive or negative.

donna

03-11-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Holy cow.....I better shut up about this......I don't think my words are being interpreted correctly.

Sorry, Donna. [/*]

It's okay, SavannahStar!

:)

donna

03-11-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by caejde

Thanks donna!

I do think the family will get answers. I just hope they are ready to receive the answers whether they be positive or negative. [/*]

You are welcome, caejde.

I wonder if we will be able to read the answers when/if they are answered?
Those are good questions.

:)

Charlotte

03-11-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

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Originally posted by Charlotte

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Also, regarding the mystery of the two "ii's" seen in Sutherland's e-mail address in WW's post -- since her original post is gone, it's not apparent whether the two "ii's" were, in fact, there. We are going by the post as quoted by another poster, and it's not impossible for a change to inadvertently occur to any text -- including text being quoted -- while in the "reply" box of a post being created. Just sayin'. [/*]
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Can you give us an example from this site of the changes in text you describe in using the reply option? I've never seen anything like that, so I would encourage you to post it on the feedback forum.

I did not say that it's a problem with the site, or with the reply option, so I would encourage you to read the post again.

I've seen posters make changes, but I do not believe that was the case here. Any poster who changes a quote has been banned from what I've seen here in the past.

Banning stems from deliberate changes, no?

I said that it's not impossible for changes to inadvertently occur.

When a quote is in the reply box during the creation of the post responding to it, it is not impossible for the responding poster to accidentally land their cursor over part of the quoted text, accidentally altering it in some way. They could start typing with the cursor in the wrong spot, or whatever. The alteration may be noticed, may not. An attempt to fix it and restore it back to its original form may take place, but the "fix" may not be complete.

In short, there are ways for quoted text to be inadvertently altered by the responding poster, and without any intent whatsoever. I did not imply that there was intent. That suggestion came from you.

donna

03-11-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

Boy, looks like there was some excitement on one of the days I didn't read or post here...suffice it to say, I'm glad you emailed RS and appreciate the fact that you shared his response with us. I don't know anything about WW 'cuz apparently I was not here when it all happened, so I really have nothing to say about that!

;) [/*]

Good to 'see' you again, Marcia3!

I so wish that the media would keep Maria's case in the spotlight more. None of the talk shows say anything anymore. Maybe AMW could do another piece on CAL. I still email Greta, Nancy, and AMW to keep the case in viewers minds, but to no avail.

Maria and Gabriel CANNOT be forgotten! I think us posters are the ones who think of them every single day that goes by and are so hungry for news! And Maria's family, of course.

:)

Regina.Lampert

03-11-2008, 03:29 PM

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by donna

Good to 'see' you again, Marcia3!

I so wish that the media would keep Maria's case in the spotlight more. None of the talk shows say anything anymore. Maybe AMW could do another piece on CAL. I still email Greta, Nancy, and AMW to keep the case in viewers minds, but to no avail.

Maria and Gabriel CANNOT be forgotten! I think us posters are the ones who think of them every single day that goes by and are so hungry for news! And Maria's family, of course.

:) [/*]

Maria and Gabriel have been pushed out of the spotlight for quite some time now. The upcoming election, primaries, and other high profile crimes and such have kept them out of the public eye. It really is sad and frustrating. Plus, with CAL being on the run, what is there to really cover from a media POV?

I just want him back here so that there can finally be justice for Maria and Gabriel. JMO.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

It would appear they defend their handling of the case after a review of how it was handled as far as the USMC goes.

From the blog:

“Lance Corporal Lauterbach’s case highlights the need to elevate the protection accorded female military personnel who file claims that they have been sexually assaulted and raises serious questions about the procedures that the military has in place for responding to sexual assault claims,” Rep. Turner said. “I have been briefed by General Michael Regner. He has informed me that the Marine Corps has reviewed their internal procedures, determined that appropriate procedures have been followed and that the ‘matter was concluded’. I disagree.”

JMO. [/*]

Well, you know how it is - just because he disagrees means that it was handled wrong. Kinda like being around here. :D

What happened to the family attorneys that were supposed to be getting the "answers" for the family?

:shrug:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by caejde

As far as I know, she was just a reservist-once a month drill and 2 weeks active duty per year. The Marines said in their presser that she had received mobilization orders for one year. So it was actually the Marine Corps that activated her first. And they usually do that when there is a need for certain MOS's. Then, that year was up and she requested to be augmented-to stay on active duty. I don't know how long packages take as I never dealt with that. But as strick was saying in her experience it has taken up to 6 months to approve those. I can see why she would want to stay. Beats working at a job where you're not making much money. And yes, she would still be listed as a dependent on Cesar's SRB. But, she would be bringing in just a little less than he a month. And that could be a good bit. All the jobs I've seen around here aren't paying more than $9 bucks an hour. And when you have kids there is no point working for that pay and trying to pay daycare. (in my situation anyway). When my husband was in the Guard, and we were worried about him finding a job in his career field, he said that he would go back active duty if necessary. Hope I havent confused you even more! [/*]

Thank you! I hope you understand why the unindoctrinated such as myself would see a huge coincidence in the timing of it all.

:)

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Well, you know how it is - just because he disagrees means that it was handled wrong. Kinda like being around here. :D

What happened to the family attorneys that were supposed to be getting the "answers" for the family?

:shrug: [/*]

Perhaps they didn't get the answers they desired. I don't know cryme. :shrug:

JMO

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

<respectfully snipped>
My question is why the answer to WomanWithout was derided as "reading like a novel" and declared by several posters as not fitting with what Sutherland usually writes, yet the same has not been said about the identical language used in his answer to donna? The implication in several responses to WomanWithout was that her e-mail wasn't real, yet that implication has not been employed with respect to Sutherland's other e-mail to a different poster. As to whether WW's email was derided and/or read like a novel, that is up to each individual posters to make up their minds as to whether this is/was the same type of language that RS uses. As to the legitimacy of WW's email, I don't know whether it's legit or not and I will repeat what I stated earlier today: I have both sets of headers from donna's email and from RS' email response and I can say that the email response from RS is legitimate to donna.

The identical answers given by Capt. Sutherland in a 16-minute timespan should lay to rest the speculation that WomanWithout's e-mail exchange with him was anything but legitimate. Perhaps so but again it is up to each individual poster to determine if they feel the email is legit or not.

Hers was posted here first, but met with a much different reaction than the posting of the second one. Why is that? Is is all right for some posters to send questions to Capt. Sutherland outside of the group Q&A list, and then post the answers, but not for other posters to do so? All I can tell you is this: 1) WW didn't start posting on this forum until sometime yesterday but yet in her email WW said that she has 'defended' CSL 'all the time' but yet there is no postings by WW to indicate that she's done that here on IS and why don't you ask the other posters who asked WW the same thing, (instead of singling me out) and see what they tell you as I don't speak for all the posters; 2) The same questions that Chicky asked over on the question thread are basically the same ones that WW asked RS in her email (and IMO it appears to be more than a conincidence); 3) I have never said that no one cannot email RS directly. There have been other posters here who have suggested that one email, sent collectively from the group, should be done.

Also, regarding the mystery of the two "ii's" seen in Sutherland's e-mail address in WW's post -- since her original post is gone, it's not apparent whether the two "ii's" were, in fact, there. We are going by the post as quoted by another poster, and it's not impossible for a change to inadvertently occur to any text -- including text being quoted -- while in the "reply" box of a post being created. Just sayin'. [color=blue]Honestly I didn't even notice the double i's when the poster first questioned it. I did go back and look the email posted over again and that's when I noticed them. I will say this, perhaps WW simply mis-typed the email address on her post here (but I would think WW cut/pasted directly from the email?) And no I wasn't the only one who noticed the double i's.

Now if you feel there is something wrong or someone's been done wrong, contact CW and I'm sure she'll do the right thing concerning this forum and the posts herein.

If, in the future, you have any other problems with me or any of my posts, please take it to pm as I certainly do not want to distract the posters on this board and/or cause it to be shut down. TIA

JMO FWIW

caejde

03-11-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Thank you! I hope you understand why the unindoctrinated such as myself would see a huge coincidence in the timing of it all.

:) [/*]

No, I totally understand. And please don't think my asking "how so" was trying to be rude or mean in any way. I was just trying to see what your thinking was...that's all.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Maka

Here's one article about the Lowe's guy and what RS said about him.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4174363&page=2

"Sutherland told ABC News that authorities have interviewed the friend seen in the Lowe's videotape three times and that he is considered a "cooperating witness." " [/*]

Thank you! I hadn't seen that article, only going by memory and again, IIRC, it was a press conference where he or Sheriff Brown was asked about the Lowe's guy and it was indicated that he had nothing to do with the murder and had come forward to police and assisted in finding the Lowe's tape.

Maka

03-11-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Thank you! I hadn't seen that article, only going by memory and again, IIRC, it was a press conference where he or Sheriff Brown was asked about the Lowe's guy and it was indicated that he had nothing to do with the murder and had come forward to police and assisted in finding the Lowe's tape. [/*]

YW

I wonder if the Lowe's guy had anything to do with that 2 a.m. phone call. I don't know how it would fit into the timeline....just thinking.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by strick10
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/16491036.html

Darn, no confirmed sightings....not a good sign. [/*]

But but but.....what about the cousin?

He wasn't making stuff up was he?

:D

Thanks also for the activation info!

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Thank you! I hadn't seen that article, only going by memory and again, IIRC, it was a press conference where he or Sheriff Brown was asked about the Lowe's guy and it was indicated that he had nothing to do with the murder and had come forward to police and assisted in finding the Lowe's tape. [/*]

I thought there was a point where SB spoke about him too.

jmo:o

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Maka

YW

I wonder if the Lowe's guy had anything to do with that 2 a.m. phone call. I don't know how it would fit into the timeline....just thinking. [/*]

I honestly think the 2 a.m. phone call was from NCIS letting OCSD know that Durham's plane had landed and that Maria was not with him nor had he talked to her.

I can't imagine the Lowe's guy, if he knew nothing about the death or burial, would be calling before it was known that Christina had turned the notes in. Can you?

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Maka

YW

I wonder if the Lowe's guy had anything to do with that 2 a.m. phone call. I don't know how it would fit into the timeline....just thinking. [/*]

I'm actually wondering if the Lowe's guy is actually Cesar's BIL, the one married to Christina's sister.

Mimi428

03-11-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by caejde

Thanks donna!

I do think the family will get answers. I just hope they are ready to receive the answers whether they be positive or negative. [/*]

I don't know that they could be kicked around in many worse ways than they already have been.

As for what specific answers they may get - who knows? According to the link provided by Lynn, the same military that could not ascertain for seven months whether or not rape charges should be filed was able, in the span of just a few short weeks, to ascertain that everything about the investigation, the allegation & Maria's claims were handled just as they should have been.

Seems to me that the disparity between the two 'investigations' - how long each of them took, etc. - is monumental.

JMO

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Perhaps they didn't get the answers they desired. I don't know cryme. :shrug:

JMO [/*]

:shrug:

donna

03-11-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I'm actually wondering if the Lowe's guy is actually Cesar's BIL, the one married to Christina's sister. [/*]

I have certainly wondered about that in the past, cryme, and even posted it. His pic on Christina's MySpace page was compared and some thought it did not look like him, but I think it might be.

I would think that Christina would be close to her sister as being the family member living close to her in Jacksonville. I would also think that she would confide in her sister concerning her marriage, etc.

The 'friend' in the Lowe's video with CAL might not have even known the real reason that he was buying supplies for the 'firepit', tho.

There are just so many screwy twists to all of this!

strick10

03-11-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

But but but.....what about the cousin?

He wasn't making stuff up was he?

:D

Thanks also for the activation info! [/*]

Cousin probably has CSL was here t-shirts for sale, you know anything to help business. I think that person is his cousin, however, I don't think he saw CAL.

I wonder who the 2 friends that were w/ CAL were. I mean being away from his homeland for so long I doubt he maintained contact w/ any friends he may have had. Or at least enough so to where these friends were eagerly hanging out w/ CAL the minute he returned.

No confirmed sightings.....wonder if there has been any confirmed contacts w/ his family.

Mimi428

03-11-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

What happened to the family attorneys that were supposed to be getting the "answers" for the family?

:shrug: [/*]

Who knows? Maybe they are getting the same treatment Pat Tillman's family got from the military? Almost 4 years later, that investigation is still not completely over & done with.

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I honestly think the 2 a.m. phone call was from NCIS letting OCSD know that Durham's plane had landed and that Maria was not with him nor had he talked to her.

I can't imagine the Lowe's guy, if he knew nothing about the death or burial, would be calling before it was known that Christina had turned the notes in. Can you? [/*]

I wouldn't think the Lowe's guy knew anything about the death and burial either. And nor was he aware of the BBQ's that CAL had over Maria's body. Gosh I just couldn't imagine myself attending a BBQ and then finding out later that this was held over someone's dead body!

IIRC, didn't SB make the comment that the 2am call was a positive one in nature, or am I out in left field?

Also didn't SB also say that when DD was being interviewed by OCSD, OCSD had received information that completely overshadowed anything that DD told them (NCIS's notification that CSL had the notes left by CAL)?

jmo

Maka

03-11-2008, 04:11 PM

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Who knows? Maybe they are getting the same treatment Pat Tillman's family got from the military? Almost 4 years later, that investigation is still not completely over & done with. [/*]

They probably are getting the same treatment as Pat Tillman's family.

It's a shame that almost four years later, the investigation is not complete in Tillman's death. Four years is a long time to investigate, IMO.

Wonder if there will ever be any type of resolution in his death?

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I wouldn't think the Lowe's guy knew anything about the death and burial either. And nor was he aware of the BBQ's that CAL had over Maria's body. Gosh I just couldn't imagine myself attending a BBQ and then finding out later that this was held over someone's dead body!

IIRC, didn't SB make the comment that the 2am call was a positive one in nature, or am I out in left field?

Also didn't SB also say that when DD was being interviewed by OCSD, OCSD had received information that completely overshadowed anything that DD told them (NCIS's notification that CSL had the notes left by CAL)?

jmo [/*]

I think he was interviewed by NCIS first. As I recall SB said at the end of the pc that HE had not had a chance to speak with Durham face to face yet and was on his way in to do that.

I think SB was hoping beyond hope that Durham would know where Maria was.

NCIS is also the same that mentioned the "friendly relationship" info that was developed "over the past 24 hours". That's why I believe they got that information from Durham.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Cousin probably has CSL was here t-shirts for sale, you know anything to help business. I think that person is his cousin, however, I don't think he saw CAL.

I wonder who the 2 friends that were w/ CAL were. I mean being away from his homeland for so long I doubt he maintained contact w/ any friends he may have had. Or at least enough so to where these friends were eagerly hanging out w/ CAL the minute he returned.

No confirmed sightings.....wonder if there has been any confirmed contacts w/ his family. [/*]

Who knows? The cousin said Cesar had been to visit Mexico several times, but yet the aunt across the street says he hadn't been there in 6 years, or that she hadn't seen him in 6 years. Some of us wondered how she would even recognize him after that long.

:shrug:

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

I did not say that it's a problem with the site, or with the reply option, so I would encourage you to read the post again.

Banning stems from deliberate changes, no?

I said that it's not impossible for changes to inadvertently occur.

When a quote is in the reply box during the creation of the post responding to it, it is not impossible for the responding poster to accidentally land their cursor over part of the quoted text, accidentally altering it in some way. They could start typing with the cursor in the wrong spot, or whatever. The alteration may be noticed, may not. An attempt to fix it and restore it back to its original form may take place, but the "fix" may not be complete.

In short, there are ways for quoted text to be inadvertently altered by the responding poster, and without any intent whatsoever. I did not imply that there was intent. That suggestion came from you. [/*]

If you check the thread, it would appear two different posters quoted it and each time it appeared the same. JMO.:shrug:

So in essence, two posters would have to make the same error and I don't see that as likely myself.

donna

03-11-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Who knows? The cousin said Cesar had been to visit Mexico several times, but yet the aunt across the street says he hadn't been there in 6 years, or that she hadn't seen him in 6 years. Some of us wondered how she would even recognize him after that long.

:shrug: [/*]

IIRC, CAL was either 11 or 13 yrs. old when he and his family moved to the U.S.. Young people that age tend to change so very much in physical appearance. He may have been back for visits with his family and so on, but I doubt a newly married guy with a baby could afford such trips.

I just have this gut feeling that CAL is not alive. I will don my big girl britches and admit I am wrong when/if he is captured!

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Who knows? The cousin said Cesar had been to visit Mexico several times, but yet the aunt across the street says he hadn't been there in 6 years, or that she hadn't seen him in 6 years. Some of us wondered how she would even recognize him after that long.

:shrug: [/*]

I tend to believe there have been no credible sightings and I hate to believe it. Maybe the posters claiming he will slip and get caught as opposed to anyone intentionally capturing him are right.

Whatever the scenario, I hope it's soon. :(

jmo

strick10

03-11-2008, 04:40 PM

bkwits

03-11-2008, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Rep. Turner Demands Answers on Death of LCpl Lauterbach

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Michael Turner (OH-03) today demanded answers to multiple questions on the death of Marine Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach.

http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/03/rep-turner-demands-answers-on-death-of.html [/*][/QUOTE

Thanks. Lynn, and thanks to Rep. Turner. It's about time someone who voice will be heard speaks up for Maria and Gabriel. :rose:

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I tend to believe there have been no credible sightings and I hate to believe it. Maybe the posters claiming he will slip and get caught as opposed to anyone intentionally capturing him are right.

Whatever the scenario, I hope it's soon. :(

jmo [/*]

I'm one of those folks. I think he will tick somebody off, rip somebody off, and they will retaliate the best way they can--by turning him in. Or he will jilt a lover and then she will turn on him...something along those lines.

JMO

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I wouldn't think the Lowe's guy knew anything about the death and burial either. And nor was he aware of the BBQ's that CAL had over Maria's body. Gosh I just couldn't imagine myself attending a BBQ and then finding out later that this was held over someone's dead body!

IIRC, didn't SB make the comment that the 2am call was a positive one in nature, or am I out in left field?

Also didn't SB also say that when DD was being interviewed by OCSD, OCSD had received information that completely overshadowed anything that DD told them (NCIS's notification that CSL had the notes left by CAL)?

jmo [/*]
Regarding the 'friend' in the Lowe's video in this article dated: Jan. 24, 2008 is says they've interviewed him 3 times.

Capt. Rick Sutherland told ABC News that authorities have interviewed the friend seen in the Lowe's videotape three times, and that he is considered a "cooperating witness."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4182723&page=3

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I wouldn't think the Lowe's guy knew anything about the death and burial either. And nor was he aware of the BBQ's that CAL had over Maria's body. Gosh I just couldn't imagine myself attending a BBQ and then finding out later that this was held over someone's dead body!

IIRC, didn't SB make the comment that the 2am call was a positive one in nature, or am I out in left field?

Also didn't SB also say that when DD was being interviewed by OCSD, OCSD had received information that completely overshadowed anything that DD told them (NCIS's notification that CSL had the notes left by CAL)?

jmo [/*]

Does anyone else find it odd that if there was this barbeque, that apparently no one has said a word about it? Usually people pop out of the woodwork to tell of their encounters with the persons in the news. I would like to think they didn't really have a bbq over Maria and her baby's bodies, but on the other hand I suppose it is possible that LE has told people not to discuss it.

On the "stand by your man" question that was posed earlier, count me among those who would not be standing there in this situation!

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I tend to believe there have been no credible sightings and I hate to believe it. Maybe the posters claiming he will slip and get caught as opposed to anyone intentionally capturing him are right.

Whatever the scenario, I hope it's soon. :(

jmo [/*]

I'm thinking I am in that camp, that he'll slip up and get caught. He may get more and more relaxed and careless as time goes on, especially since there isn't much in the news these days.

(That's why I had trouble believing in the cousin/liquor store sighting. It was just too incredible to believe Cesar would just "drop by.")

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 04:49 PM

Two months later, Laurean still on the run

The manhunt for a Camp Lejeune Marine corporal wanted in the slaying of a co-worker has dragged on for two months, but investigators say they feel they are closing in on him.

"Cesar Laurean has proven capable of running and adapting," said Capt. Rick Sutherland of the Onslow County Sheriff's Department. "But we have eliminated some of his resources."

Sutherland would not elaborate on how authorities have impacted Laurean's means, saying he did not want to tip the hand of local and federal investigators.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Two months later, Laurean still on the run

The manhunt for a Camp Lejeune Marine corporal wanted in the slaying of a co-worker has dragged on for two months, but investigators say they feel they are closing in on him.

"Cesar Laurean has proven capable of running and adapting," said Capt. Rick Sutherland of the Onslow County Sheriff's Department. "But we have eliminated some of his resources."

Sutherland would not elaborate on how authorities have impacted Laurean's means, saying he did not want to tip the hand of local and federal investigators.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html [/*]

Thanks.

So does this mean they have tracked down family members or friends that have been helping him?

imoo

strick10

03-11-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by donna

IIRC, CAL was either 11 or 13 yrs. old when he and his family moved to the U.S.. Young people that age tend to change so very much in physical appearance. He may have been back for visits with his family and so on, but I doubt a newly married guy with a baby could afford such trips.

I just have this gut feeling that CAL is not alive. I will don my big girl britches and admit I am wrong when/if he is captured! [/*]

It would be hard to recognize him after so many years. I took another look at his high school photo and he looks somewhat like his current picture shows him now but I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight and began to look like he did in his younger years.

Picture at 00:56
http://www.ktnv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=2097329&h1=Neighbors%20Worried%20About%20Marine%20Manhunt&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=142033&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D7623031&rnd=85080574

donna

03-11-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Just out of curiosity why do you feel that CAL is not alive? What is your theory in this area? [/*]

Hi, strick10.

I just got back and saw your post.

I am not really sure as to the why except that it is just a gut feeling. I also feel that cryme's rug theory is certainly a very possible scenario. Also, Christina supposedly had said that CAL left their home at 4:00 AM, yet Wanda says it was more between 8:00 AM and 8:30 AM, IIRC. Both cannot be right. IF CAL's truck was at the home and Wanda really did see it at the time she says and that he was in his 'Marine outfit', then I think it was someone other than CAL she saw. She would know the truck.

I think - and this is just my opinion only - that someone else drove CAL's truck to the motel where it was found. Also, LE found evidence in the truck that is being tested. Would CAL have left evidence in his truck knowing it would be found? I just do not think so. I believe there has been a lot of 'staging' done!

It is all just IMO, strick10!

:)

Marcia3

03-11-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Thanks.

So does this mean they have tracked down family members or friends that have been helping him?

imoo [/*]

That's how I read it, and/or that his source for $$ has been removed.

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Thanks.

So does this mean they have tracked down family members or friends that have been helping him?

imoo [/*]

I'm thinking they've cut off his access to any bank accounts, credit cards etc. Maybe have tapped/wired his immediate families phones. I dunno.

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by strick10

It would be hard to recognize him after so many years. I took another look at his high school photo and he looks somewhat like his current picture shows him now but I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight and began to look like he did in his younger years.

Picture at 00:56
http://www.ktnv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=2097329&h1=Neighbors%20Worried%20About%20Marine%20Manhunt&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=142033&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D7623031&rnd=85080574 [/*]
According to these statements made by the cousin he says it had been 5 years.
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=15012

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by donna

Hi, strick10.

I just got back and saw your post.

I am not really sure as to the why except that it is just a gut feeling. I also feel that cryme's rug theory is certainly a very possible scenario. Also, Christina supposedly had said that CAL left their home at 4:00 AM, yet Wanda says it was more between 8:00 AM and 8:30 AM, IIRC. Both cannot be right. IF CAL's truck was at the home and Wanda really did see it at the time she says and that he was in his 'Marine outfit', then I think it was someone other than CAL she saw. She would know the truck.

I think - and this is just my opinion only - that someone else drove CAL's truck to the motel where it was found. Also, LE found evidence in the truck that is being tested. Would CAL have left evidence in his truck knowing it would be found? I just do not think so. I believe there has been a lot of 'staging' done!

It is all just IMO, strick10!

:) [/*]

Okay, your theory could be right. Who do you think killed CAL if he's no longer alive?

Maka

03-11-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Marcia3

That's how I read it, and/or that his source for $$ has been removed. [/*]

There's still an unpaid balance on the ticket in Vegas for an SL. I'll take a leap and say either they put the clamp down on his immediate family's bank accounts

and/or ....... if his folks & sib(s) are undocumented - even by overstaying a visa - that they are staying with ICE. Never heard if they were naturalized or not.

I'll bet they froze Xtina's accounts too.

donna

03-11-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by strick10

It would be hard to recognize him after so many years. I took another look at his high school photo and he looks somewhat like his current picture shows him now but I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight and began to look like he did in his younger years.

Picture at 00:56
http://www.ktnv.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=2097329&h1=Neighbors%20Worried%20About%20Marine%20Manhunt&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=142033&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D7623031&rnd=85080574 [/*]

Thanks for the link to the video, strick10! It is the first time I have seen the high school pic of CAL!

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

According to these statements made by the cousin he says it had been 5 years.
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=15012 [/*]

Okay, then the picture posted on the link would be closer to what he looked like when his cousin last saw him. I believe it's a high school picture that's posted on the video. The MC photo that's been released resembles the high school photo but like I said before, I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight around the fact. I just noticed the link I previously gave doesn't work. Let's try again, I'm sure most have seen this video.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7612477

To the right of the article click on the Neighbors Worried About Marine Manhunt. High school pic is at about 00:56.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Maka

There's still an unpaid balance on the ticket in Vegas for an SL. I'll take a leap and say either they put the clamp down on his immediate family's bank accounts

and/or ....... if his folks & sib(s) are undocumented - even by overstaying a visa - that they are staying with ICE. Never heard if they were naturalized or not.

I'll bet they froze Xtina's accounts too. [/*]

That's the first thing I thought. The feds froze all the bank accounts. I didn't think about ICE though.

But do illegals usually use banks?

donna

03-11-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Okay, your theory could be right. Who do you think killed CAL if he's no longer alive? [/*]

Christina!

However, after reading the article just posted, I would have to say that if LE knows $$$ is being funneled to Mexico via wire transfers or by any other means, I would be wrong. IF these transfers or whatever the source of money is shows that money has been received by CAL, then I am definately wrong.

I just have this feeling that CAL is no longer alive!

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by donna

Thanks for the link to the video, strick10! It is the first time I have seen the high school pic of CAL! [/*]

Thanks! I wasn't sure if it was his high school picture. I have a hard time hearing videos on my computer(s) as I'm going deaf so alot of times I rely on the posters here to kinda verify that I've heard right.

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by donna

Thanks for the link to the video, strick10! It is the first time I have seen the high school pic of CAL! [/*]
Same here donna so I did a ScreenCap for our files :)

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by donna

Christina!

However, after reading the article just posted, I would have to say that if LE knows $$$ is being funneled to Mexico via wire transfers or by any other means, I would be wrong. IF these transfers or whatever the source of money is shows that money has been received by CAL, then I am definately wrong.

I just have this feeling that CAL is no longer alive! [/*]

With some help maybe? I mean CAL isn't exactly a spindly kind of guy. If he is dead and CSL did it then the LE would be following false leads regarding any $'s being sent to CSL no?

donna

03-11-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Same here donna so I did a ScreenCap for our files :) [/*]

Thanks, Ivy!

CAL's face is certainly leaner and younger, but would look like him had he lost a lot of weight!

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

That's the first thing I thought. The feds froze all the bank accounts. I didn't think about ICE though.

But do illegals usually use banks? [/*]

IMO I would think if CAL was naturalized his parents would be as well. He was underaged when he was naturalized so his parents would've had to complete the paperwork etc. Of they were illegal I would hope someone would've caught that during the process. I don't know much about the naturalization process. From what I know, illegals like to deal in hard cash. The ones I've seen in my line of business (no we don't hire illegals but I know of other companies that have) use the check cashing places to take care of their check cashing and wirings.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 05:29 PM

Interesting that the FBI is again giving credence to the Shreveport sighting. I thought they had dismissed that at one time?

:shrug:

As a reminder, a ticket to El Paso from Jacksonville would have included stops/pickups in Raleigh/Durham, Shreveport, and Houston (where the ticket to Mexico *cough* was allegedly purchased).

;)

donna

03-11-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by strick10

With some help maybe? I mean CAL isn't exactly a spindly kind of guy. If he is dead and CSL did it then the LE would be following false leads regarding any $'s being sent to CSL no? [/*]

I do not think LE is following false leads where the money is concerned!

Are you speaking of the money from the Houston wire transfer which was sent to Christina?

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

According to these statements made by the cousin he says it had been 5 years.
http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=15012 [/*]

But yet he told CNN that Cesar came to visit often.

:shrug:

donna

03-11-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

You have no need to explain yourself, donna!

Don't give it a moment's thought.

You emailed CS and your email and his response was posted.

Much appreciated! :) [/*]

Thanks, Jas.S.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by donna

I do not think LE is following false leads where the money is concerned!

Are you speaking of the money from the Houston wire transfer which was sent to Christina? [/*]

I thought the Houston wire transfer was picked up by Cesar? Allegedly.

Did "he" then send the money to Christina?

I hadn't seen that. Or maybe I did.

:shrug:

donna

03-11-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

I thought the Houston wire transfer was picked up by Cesar? Allegedly.

Did "he" then send the money to Christina?

I hadn't seen that. Or maybe I did.

:shrug: [/*]

hammer ... me hitting me! I worded my post wrong!

IIRC, a wire transfer was picked up in Houston. I am not even sure of myself now (lol), but there was an article that stated that some of the money was for the 'lawyer'. 'Someone' sent money back to N. C. !

Maybe Lynn Gweeny can help me find the aricle where that was stated.

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by donna

I do not think LE is following false leads where the money is concerned!

Are you speaking of the money from the Houston wire transfer which was sent to Christina? [/*]

No, I'm speaking of following false needs right now if CAL is a kaput.

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 05:44 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by strick10

It would be hard to recognize him after so many years. I took another look at his high school photo and he looks somewhat like his current picture shows him now but I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight and began to look like he did in his younger years.

Picture at 00:56
http://www.ktnv.com/global/video/po...31&rnd=85080574 [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks so much strick! That's the first time I have seen a high school picture of CAL.

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by donna

hammer ... me hitting me! I worded my post wrong!

IIRC, a wire transfer was picked up in Houston. I am not even sure of myself now (lol), but there was an article that stated that some of the money was for the 'lawyer'. 'Someone' sent money back to N. C. !

Maybe Lynn Gweeny can help me find the aricle where that was stated. [/*]

Here ya go, donna.

The source said Laurean received wire money transfers from Western Union before he left Houston, but would not say from whom.

The money mainly went to pay Laurean’s attorneys, the source added.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Charlotte

I did not say that it's a problem with the site, or with the reply option, so I would encourage you to read the post again.

Banning stems from deliberate changes, no?

I said that it's not impossible for changes to inadvertently occur.

When a quote is in the reply box during the creation of the post responding to it, it is not impossible for the responding poster to accidentally land their cursor over part of the quoted text, accidentally altering it in some way. They could start typing with the cursor in the wrong spot, or whatever. The alteration may be noticed, may not. An attempt to fix it and restore it back to its original form may take place, but the "fix" may not be complete.

In short, there are ways for quoted text to be inadvertently altered by the responding poster, and without any intent whatsoever. I did not imply that there was intent. That suggestion came from you. [/*]

I haven't been on line in hours so I am not even sure why this is being discussed but I have this to say.

I am one of the one's who quoted WithoutWoman's entire post. At no time did I inadvertently or otherwise change one thing in her original post. It was quoted exactly as she had written it.

I didn't even realize the email addy had two "ii" in it until someone else observed it.

So IMO the "ii" was made by the original poster, WW.

Now that is all I have to say about that.

imoo

donna

03-11-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by strick10

No, I'm speaking of following false needs right now if CAL is a kaput. [/*]

Got my big girl britches out and ready. I do have to think about it more before I put them on, tho.

Could the money being sent be for CAL's brother, tho? I just still find it so hard to believe that CAL sat on the bus into Mexico chatting up the bus driver, left evidence in his truck, etc.

I do understand what you are saying, strick10, and I cannot have it both ways. I am going back and read the article now.

donna

03-11-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Here ya go, donna.

The source said Laurean received wire money transfers from Western Union before he left Houston, but would not say from whom.

The money mainly went to pay Laurean’s attorneys, the source added.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/22/missing.marine/ [/*]

Thank you so much, Lynn Gweeny!

:patriot:

strick10

03-11-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by strick10

It would be hard to recognize him after so many years. I took another look at his high school photo and he looks somewhat like his current picture shows him now but I'd have a hard time recognizing him if he lost weight and began to look like he did in his younger years.

Picture at 00:56
http://www.ktnv.com/global/video/po...31&rnd=85080574 [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks so much strick! That's the first time I have seen a high school picture of CAL. [/*]

YW. I'm shocked that not all have seen this picture. With so many posters finding and posting all kinds of wonderful and helpful items, I say this as a compliment, I figured everyone had already seen CALs' high school picture.

strick10

03-11-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Its keeps telling me page not found?????? (The pic of CAL) [/*]

Try this AB.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7612477

To the right of the article click on the Neighbors Worried About Marine Manhunt. High school pic is at about 00:56.

GentleBreeze

03-11-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Maybe hes just the lucky recipient of just a whole bunch of plain darn good luck. Maybe he was so casual and we were looking, if we were looking at all, that is, for an escaped marine guy- he might have just blended in so well he "hid in plain sight". :shrug:
Maybe he DID chat up the bus driver- what escapee would do that? Looks innocent. Maybe he did a whole bunch of real simple stuff and thats how he pulled it off, but be sure of ONE THING: He DID pull it off. So either hes lucky or stupid, or LEe is unlucky and also stupid. JMO [/*]

I think he had been working on his plan to flee for months. He was putting all of his ducks in order imo. Making contacts ahead of time on the "what if" if it happened. Maybe he is smarter than we think he is. I don't think LE is underestimating him or his possible intelligence to elude justice. It has worked for him like a charm so far.......maybe he is like McGyver and can think of unique things that others may not think about.

Wouldn't he have to have a certain grade average in HS to remain in the ROTC program? In my school they were some of the brightest.

Now the murder was unplanned and he didn't have time to plot or think things out and it showed.

imoo

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by strick10

YW. I'm shocked that not all have seen this picture. With so many posters finding and posting all kinds of wonderful and helpful items, I say this as a compliment, I figured everyone had already seen CALs' high school picture. [/*]

And the first time I saw CAL's passport photo was over on ncwanted!

Thanks again strick!

jmo

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I think he had been working on his plan to flee for months. He was putting all of his ducks in order imo. Making contacts ahead of time on the "what if" if it happened. Maybe he is smarter than we think he is. I don't think LE is underestimating him or his possible intelligence to elude justice. It has worked for him like a charm so far.......maybe he is like McGyver and can think of unique things that others may not think about.

Wouldn't he have to have a certain grade average in HS to remain in the ROTC program? In my school they were some of the brightest.

Now the murder was unplanned and he didn't have time to plot or think things out and it showed.

imoo [/*]

ITA that CAL was planning his escape route ahead of time. Heck he had from 12/14 to 1/11 to gets his affairs in order, so to speak.

ITA agree about the murder being unplanned--I feel that was a spur of the moment type thing that happened. There was something that set him off and Maria's murder just happened (I'd love to know what did set him off).

And aren't they taught in the MC to adapt and overcome? (which I sometimes say adapt, improvise and overcome, LOL)

jmo

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Its keeps telling me page not found?????? (The pic of CAL) [/*]
If you fail to open it, here's the shot of his HS photo
http://i25.tinypic.com/2hrnb0i.jpg

donna

03-11-2008, 06:20 PM

Ok, everyone!

\_/\_/.... these are my big girl britches!!!! They are what was called pedal pushers in my day.

cryme, I am sorry, but I guess I have to admit that it does appear that CAL probably did make it to Mexico. Whether he is still there or not is anyone's guess, IMO.

I am rearranging my theory to admit that Christina could not have killed CAL. I have tremendous respect for Captain Sutherland and believe what he says in the article concerning the sources of money being cut off. Also that he believes that CAL will be captured.

I still think there might have been a rug in the living room (only CAL is not in it), and I still think that CAL had help in getting that truck to the motel! AND I still think Christina was VERY involved in the clean up of the murder scene if not the murder itself.

:D

donna

03-11-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by strick10

No, I'm speaking of following false needs right now if CAL is a kaput. [/*]

:D ... I just put my big girl britches on, strick10!

strick10

03-11-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by donna

:D ... I just put my big girl britches on, strick10! [/*]

I see that, ha, ha. :D

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

If you fail to open it, here's the shot of his HS photo
http://i25.tinypic.com/2hrnb0i.jpg [/*]

Thanks Ivy and I hope you don't mind that I saved this pic on my 'puter. If so, it's too late, LOL;)

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by donna

:D ... I just put my big girl britches on, strick10! [/*]

You didn't just say that, did you? :eek: That's sounds like something I'd say! :chicken:

donna

03-11-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by strick10

I see that, ha, ha. :D [/*]

:D

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 06:25 PM

Congressman Criticizes Military For Lauterbach Case
Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 - 04:07 PM Updated: 04:47 PM

Read Turner's Letter

The family has requested that my office obtain answers to some of their questions regarding the Marines handling of this matter. You will note that some of these specific questions are based on the "Opening Statement " issued on Jan. 15, 2008, by Col. R. Gary Sokoloski, the Staff Judge Advocate , and by Lieutenant Colonel Curtis Hill, the Public Affairs Officer, respectively, for the 2nd Marine Expeditio nary Force ("II MEF ") at Camp Lejeune , North Carolina.
http://tinyurl.com/23dgun

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Thanks Ivy and I hope you don't mind that I saved this pic on my 'puter. If so, it's too late, LOL;) [/*]
:) I was hoping you would............gotta keep our files updated ya know!

donna

03-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

You didn't just say that, did you? :eek: That's sounds like something I'd say! :chicken: [/*]

Yes, I did, nuttin!

I only wore them long enough to admit that my belief that Christina did not kill CAL and roll him up in cryme's rug since he appeared to actually make it to Mexico!

And I do not put these britches on at the drop of a hat either!

:D

IvySterling

03-11-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

You didn't just say that, did you? :eek: That's sounds like something I'd say! :chicken: [/*]
She did, and I took the lead. Got them on and now heading to Walmart feelin the power :D

hinman

03-11-2008, 06:32 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling
Congressman Criticizes Military For Lauterbach Case
Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 - 04:07 PM Updated: 04:47 PM

Read Turner's Letter

The family has requested that my office obtain answers to some of their questions regarding the Marines handling of this matter. You will note that some of these specific questions are based on the "Opening Statement " issued on Jan. 15, 2008, by Col. R. Gary Sokoloski, the Staff Judge Advocate , and by Lieutenant Colonel Curtis Hill, the Public Affairs Officer, respectively, for the 2nd Marine Expeditio nary Force ("II MEF ") at Camp Lejeune , North Carolina.
http://tinyurl.com/23dgun [/*]

Thanks Ivy. Still looking for Paint.

THIS IS OF INTEREST TO ME...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From the period of April 10, 2007 through May 12, 2007, did LCpl Lauterbach have any attendance issues, administrative counseling or discipline, or any other factor that would reflect on her performance during this time period?

Are there any documents to reflect that proceedings were initiated, considered or otherwise contemplated that LCpl Maria Lauterbach would be given an administrative and / or medical discharge based in part on her performance from April 1, 2007 through Ma y 11, 2007, or based in part on her medical condition and / or treatment during her time in the Marines?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope all the questions are answered for her family.

JMO
:patriot:

donna

03-11-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

She did, and I took the lead. Got them on and now heading to Walmart feelin the power :D [/*]

:lol:

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling
Congressman Criticizes Military For Lauterbach Case
Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 - 04:07 PM Updated: 04:47 PM

Read Turner's Letter

<respectfully snipped>
http://tinyurl.com/23dgun [/*]

Sounds like Congressman Turner is asking a lot of the same questions we have discussed here. I hope he gets a response from Commandant Conway.

For example: Is there any system to notify civilian authorities when a person who is the subject of an MPO moves off base? Was this done?

Is there any system to advise a Marine "protected" by an MPO that she might seek a civilian protective order if she moves off base? Was this done?

At the Jan. 15th press conference, the Marines described LCpl Lauterbach as a "solid" Marine and Cpl Laurean as a "stellar" Marine. What facts justified the different descriptions?

I understand that Cpl Laurean’s wife, Christina Laurean, has recently been put on active duty status with the Marines. What was the date of her activation? What were the reasons for her activation? Is she currently the subject of any restrictions or investigation?

JMO

donna

03-11-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by hinman
Thank you I would love to see the answers to them questions. [/*]

Me too, hinman! I do hope we know when they come out.

hinman

03-11-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Sounds like Congressman Turner is asking a lot of the same questions we have discussed here. I hope he gets a response from Commandant Conway.

For example: Is there any system to notify civilian authorities when a person who is the subject of an MPO moves off base? Was this done?

Is there any system to advise a Marine "protected" by an MPO that she might seek a civilian protective order if she moves off base? Was this done?

At the Jan. 15th press conference, the Marines described LCpl Lauterbach as a "solid" Marine and Cpl Laurean as a "stellar" Marine. What facts justified the different descriptions?

I understand that Cpl Laurean’s wife, Christina Laurean, has recently been put on active duty status with the Marines. What was the date of her activation? What were the reasons for her activation? Is she currently the subject of any restrictions or investigation?

JMO [/*]I think at least one person on the thread has asked them exact questions a couple of times.

It seems her family hasn't given up on their mission to get answers.

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I think at least one person on the thread has asked them exact questions a couple of times.

It seems her family hasn't given up on their mission to get answers. [/*]

Hey Hinman, I am wondering what they are thinking about Christina given those questions. What are your thoughts?:shrug:

hinman

03-11-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Hey Hinman, I am wondering what they are thinking about Christina given those questions. What are your thoughts?:shrug: [/*]I think they might be a little upset that she got moved up to active duty. I wonder if her be put back on active was already in the works? hmm Those questions give us something to think about.

They don't answer any questions but bring me more questions darn it.

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 06:52 PM

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by hinman
I think they might be a little upset that she got moved up to active duty. I wonder if her be put back on active was already in the works? hmm Those questions give us something to think about.

They don't answer any questions but bring me more questions darn it. [/*]

I'm wondering if they think she was involved in Maria's murder?

Quite frankly, I am just surprised there is anything in the letter about Christina. I don't know why, but I would think the Congressman might know that's probably not going to be revealed at this time and definitely not in a public manner due to privacy issues etc... (just thinking and typing knowing full well it's dangerous).

Does anyone else think maybe the Lauterbach's believe Christina is involved?

JMO and JUST CURIOUS. :o

hinman

03-11-2008, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I'm wondering if they think she was involved in Maria's murder?

Quite frankly, I am just surprised there is anything in the letter about Christina. I don't know why, but I would think the Congressman might know that's probably not going to be revealed at this time and definitely not in a public manner due to privacy issues etc... (just thinking and typing knowing full well it's dangerous).

Does anyone else think maybe the Lauterbach's believe Christina is involved?

JMO and JUST CURIOUS. :o [/*] I would have to agree. I think they think she was involved in some way and that is why they are upset that she was put on active duty. Interesting isn't it.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Donna, I don't think it is so much as "following leads," whether good or false leads.

In all the cases where a wanted person is missing, police notify banks and credit cards and there's either a hold or police is notified if/when it is used.

Perhaps they can put a hold on CL's bank accounts and credit cards so that no money will be given to him and police are alerted the moment he tries to use them, if he does.

But the "freezing accounts" thing is extreme--and especially so for family members. That would be a tough gig for a prosecutor to get a judge to do.

IMO. [/*]

Even with a federal charge of flight to avoid prosecution?

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Thanks, Ivy. There's a video report and comments by Congressman Turner on the home page here right now, but it might be moved later.

http://www.wdtn.com/default.asp [/*]

That video says the Congressman will voice his concerns about Christina Laurean in the SIX O'CLOCK hour for anyone who is local.

Thanks. :patriot:

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

That video says the Congressman will voice his concerns about Christina Laurean in the SIX O'CLOCK hour for anyone who is local.

Thanks. :patriot: [/*]

The report said, "his concerns about Christina Laurean being returned to active duty"......not "his concerns about Christina Laurean."

nuttintodo

03-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

That video says the Congressman will voice his concerns about Christina Laurean in the SIX O'CLOCK hour for anyone who is local.

Thanks. :patriot: [/*]

Lynn if you can catch what Turner says can you post it here? I'm getting ready to walk out the door and will be gone for a couple of hours. TIA

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Even with a federal charge of flight to avoid prosecution? [/*]

I'm sure the FEDS can do pretty much anything and they have little caveats built in to cover situations where they need to cut money flow off. HOWEVER, if my adult child allegedly committed a crime and was on the run, I would not expect my accounts to suffer, MAYBE BEING MONITORED....but actually FREEZE THEM....boy, I would fight that tooth and nail with every avenue available to me. JMO.

:o

hinman

03-11-2008, 07:02 PM

Just wanted to comment about how Maria might have had to sit next to Laurean in unit meetings since they are seated alphabetically, I found that an interesting question and was curious what some thought about it.

I also hadn't thought about why they did not request DNA from laurean and if they did and he refused did it raise suspicion.

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

The report said, "his concerns about Christina Laurean being returned to active duty"......not "his concerns about Christina Laurean." [/*]

Thank you! :D

CanCan

03-11-2008, 07:03 PM

:seeya: Hi Everybody! Heat wave in Twin Cities, +46 degrees....I went shopping without my jacket!!

I'm off to read the thread now - look forward to posting with you after American Idol!

Mimi428

03-11-2008, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Two months later, Laurean still on the run

[i]The manhunt for a Camp Lejeune Marine corporal wanted in the slaying of a co-worker has dragged on for two months, but investigators say they feel they are closing in on him.

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_55422___article.html/investigators_mexico.html [/*]

Thanks for that link!

With all the talk from so many different folks about the possibility that Christina helped him, I was glad to see that Sutherland said this...

"If we can prove someone is assisting him in any way, we will ensure those people are prosecuted," Sutherland said. "We have eliminated some of his resources. We believe Laurean is aware of some of the things we have done, but most things he is not aware of and that is what will eventually get him caught."

"Most things he is not aware of..." - I wonder what those sorts of things may be? Since the FBI is in charge of the international search, they could have gone before a judge & gotten permission for wire taps & other forms of surveillance, for all we know. Personally, I hope they have. I believe Cesar is relying on the help of his family - BIG time. The more days that go by that they can't help him, the faster he will be caught, imo.

JMO

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Lynn if you can catch what Turner says can you post it here? I'm getting ready to walk out the door and will be gone for a couple of hours. TIA [/*]

Well, I'm not a local, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for any video that is posted on the site and bring it over here for everyone.

Here's a direct link to the previous video on the home page, just in case they decide to move it off the page and it is difficult to locate.

New Questions About Lauterbach’s Death (2:30) (wdtn.com)

http://tinyurl.com/27ln8q

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 07:15 PM

Ohio Congressman Mike Turner elaborates in an interview with WHIO's Gina Ferraro (requires Windows Media)

http://tinyurl.com/2ghoee

http://1290whio.com/includes/news/indepth/5279860_Ohio_Congressman_Wants_Answers_on_Lauterba ch_s_Death_174738.html

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Audio of Congressman Turner interview with 1290whio.com: (requires Windows Media)

http://1290whio.com/includes/news/indepth/5279860_Ohio_Congressman_Wants_Answers_on_Lauterba ch_s_Death_174738.html [/*]

I get "page not found" Lynn.

Lynn Gweeny

03-11-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

I get "page not found" Lynn. [/*]

Sorry, Savannah ... here's the tinyurl that takes you to the correct page. I just edited my post above. :o

http://tinyurl.com/2ghoee

henry

03-11-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Well, I'm not a local, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for any video that is posted on the site and bring it over here for everyone.

Here's a direct link to the previous video on the home page, just in case they decide to move it off the page and it is difficult to locate.

New Questions About Lauterbach’s Death (2:30) (wdtn.com)

http://tinyurl.com/27ln8q [/*]

thank you LG - does anyone know why this station's videos will not play for me . . . i think another poster also had the same problem - tia

henry

03-11-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

His questions/ the families questions are the same ones we have been wondering..... [/*]

holy crap . . . i had "assumed" they would have gotten cesar's dna - wonder why they didn't?

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Sorry, Savannah ... here's the tinyurl that takes you to the correct page. I just edited my post above. :o

http://tinyurl.com/2ghoee [/*]

Thank you Lynn!

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Wait, thought the service had the DNA of every person enlisted?
Also fingerprints and tats pics, but DNA for sure, for the simple reason of identification if killed in a freaking war or something!!
Are me and henry wrong- they DON'T have everybody in the services DNa these days? They should IMO. [/*]

It was explained on this board before, that DNA can only be used for identifying the remains and extraordinary circumstance IIRC.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny

Sorry, Savannah ... here's the tinyurl that takes you to the correct page. I just edited my post above. :o

http://tinyurl.com/2ghoee [/*]

Well one thing I'll say.....it's really too bad Sami isn't around anymore (did anyone find out why she's been missing?)....Sami would LOVE this guy. He is gung-ho on getting answers from the Marines, and he thinks their handling of this case all but stunk. I've never totally agreed with that, but hey.....it's a step in the right direction for Maria's family and others who have that concern.

I do note he made an issue about "stellar" and "solid" saying, "they CALLED CL a 'stellar' Marine and CALLED Maria a 'solid' Marine." (in the press conference)......so basically he is just as wrong as everyone else who complained (IMO) because it really was nothing more than giving background on them both, while in the Marines, and those are job performance ratings, nothing more. NO ONE is saying he's "stellar" because he has a dead Marine buried in his backyard. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by donna
Ok, everyone!

\_/\_/.... these are my big girl britches!!!! They are what was called pedal pushers in my day.

cryme, I am sorry, but I guess I have to admit that it does appear that CAL probably did make it to Mexico. Whether he is still there or not is anyone's guess, IMO.

I am rearranging my theory to admit that Christina could not have killed CAL. I have tremendous respect for Captain Sutherland and believe what he says in the article concerning the sources of money being cut off. Also that he believes that CAL will be captured.

I still think there might have been a rug in the living room (only CAL is not in it), and I still think that CAL had help in getting that truck to the motel! AND I still think Christina was VERY involved in the clean up of the murder scene if not the murder itself.

:D [/*]

Say it ain't so!

Well, what can I say? If Rick answers my question about being 100% convinced Cesar is still alive in the affirmative, I'll join you.

I'm not convinced either way.

Especially after the article today that said no confirmed sightings.

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Is this not extraordinary enough? :eek: [/*]

My thoughts exactly!

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Yes, Cryme.

In Fed Court it might be easier to freeze personal accounts if you get the right judge, but no way on a family's. But I just don't see that it would be done in this case.

Freezing accounts takes major work. [/*]

What about monitoring accounts? Is it easier to get permission for that than freezing? Or would it be just as difficult to get permission to 'monitor' the account of say, a parent or sibling of CAL?

donna

03-11-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Wait, thought the service had the DNA of every person enlisted?
Also singerprints and tats pics, but DNA for sure, for the simple reason of identification if killed in a freaking war or something!!
Are me and henry wrong- they DON'T have everybody in the services DNa these days? They should IMO. [/*]

AnnieBean, I thought someone had said that the military takes DNA.

Good lord, a bucle (sp) swab or even blood DNA could be stored in the military just like the state crime lab does here in La. for criminal DNA.

A blood DNA kit for the state crime lab consists of a
card where the finger is pricked and four circles are filled by blood droplets. The thumb print is is also placed on the card as well as all identification noted as SS#, birthdate, person taking the sample, and so on. It is then sealed with red evidence tape. The envelope it is placed in as cardboard and it is not too much larger than a postcard. DNA evvelopes do not take up much storage space. I wonder if the military does something on this order? Of course it would not be for the state crime lab, but for the military's identification purposes.

:)

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Is this not extraordinary enough? :eek: [/*]

Well, as it is now, it might meet that criteria, but not as it was THEN IMO.

JMO tho.:shrug:

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

The "stellar" and "solid" doesn't bother me, because perhaps one person did Marias evaluation and another one did Cesars and its just a matter of lingusitics between the two of them...NABD, IMO. [/*]

Or could have even been done by the same person who simply evaluated CL as performing his JOB better than Maria did. And maybe he DID do his job better. I mean, the bottom line is basically SO WHAT??????? Has nothing whatsoever to do with what each person was truly like, other than in their job. Has nothing to do with the murder.

Rant over. :D

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

The "stellar" and "solid" doesn't bother me, because perhaps one person did Marias evaluation and another one did Cesars and its just a matter of lingusitics between the two of them...NABD, IMO. [/*]

I can see all the logical reasons for not making an issue out of the "stellar" and "solid", but I can understand why this would bother her family.

So are those particular terms actually job performance ratings, and not just descriptive words that happened to come from that guy's mouth? (I had always thought that he just used those words without any particular thought, iirc, Maria was described and then Cesar. It wasn't like he was standing there making a comparison of the two, was it? (My memories of some of the ins and outs of this case are getting fuzzy, unfortunately.)

donna

03-11-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Say it ain't so!

Well, what can I say? If Rick answers my question about being 100% convinced Cesar is still alive in the affirmative, I'll join you.

I'm not convinced either way.

Especially after the article today that said no confirmed sightings. [/*]

Thanks, cryme! I reluctantly went there!!!

:D

BarbraAllen

03-11-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Well, as it is now, it might meet that criteria, but not as it was THEN IMO.

JMO tho.:shrug: [/*]

Good point, CandyKisses.

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by henry

holy crap . . . i had "assumed" they would have gotten cesar's dna - wonder why they didn't? [/*]

What good what the DNA had done if the baby had not been born yet? Was Maria offered amnio testing? If so, did she refuse? Did Maria tell the MC that Cesar was the father?

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Well one thing I'll say.....it's really too bad Sami isn't around anymore (did anyone find out why she's been missing?)....Sami would LOVE this guy. He is gung-ho on getting answers from the Marines, and he thinks their handling of this case all but stunk. I've never totally agreed with that, but hey.....it's a step in the right direction for Maria's family and others who have that concern.

I do note he made an issue about "stellar" and "solid" saying, "they CALLED CL a 'stellar' Marine and CALLED Maria a 'solid' Marine." (in the press conference)......so basically he is just as wrong as everyone else who complained (IMO) because it really was nothing more than giving background on them both, while in the Marines, and those are job performance ratings, nothing more. NO ONE is saying he's "stellar" because he has a dead Marine buried in his backyard. Sheesh! :rolleyes: [/*]

Sami sent me a belated birthday wish yesterday and said she was extremely busy right now.

I really did cut the video off when I heard those words, simply because I wanted someone local to see the six news. I didn't try to make it sound different from what was said, I just didn't hear the end. :shrug:

So has anyone heard the six o'clock news?

Mimi428

03-11-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling
Congressman Criticizes Military For Lauterbach Case
Tuesday, Mar 11, 2008 - 04:07 PM Updated: 04:47 PM

Read Turner's Letter

[/*]

Thanks for that link. I noticed that Turner mentions that he is on the House Armed Services Committee.

This particular question really stood out for me...

Is it true that in unit meetings or other unit gatherings that members of the unit would on some occasions be assembled alphabetically? Laurean and Lauterbach.

JMO

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Or could have even been done by the same person who simply evaluated CL as performing his JOB better than Maria did. And maybe he DID do his job better. I mean, the bottom line is basically SO WHAT??????? Has nothing whatsoever to do with what each person was truly like, other than in their job. Has nothing to do with the murder.

Rant over. :D [/*]

And he also had been in the MC longer and had ROTC. I don't know that either would have factored in to his rating, but still....

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Oh, absolutely.

And it really weakens the parents' position/questions to include that. [/*]

Yes. Good point.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:48 PM

It's HIPAA, not HIPPA. (common mistake though) :D

strick10

03-11-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Or could have even been done by the same person who simply evaluated CL as performing his JOB better than Maria did. And maybe he DID do his job better. I mean, the bottom line is basically SO WHAT??????? Has nothing whatsoever to do with what each person was truly like, other than in their job. Has nothing to do with the murder.

Rant over. :D [/*]

I agree. Based on the fact that CSL was meritoriously promoted to Cpl probably due to the fact that he was awarded the NCO of the quarter IIRC that would have placed him above his peers which is probably where the steller comes from. Being a solid Marine is not a diss for a young Marine either. A solid Marine is a Marine that is on track IMO.

donna

03-11-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I was almost positive the military has DNA on its people. If so and "extradaordinary" circumstances must exist for them to compare it for LE purposes, or what the eff ever, they should RELEASE it FGS!
Oops, HIPPA probably says it belongs to Cesar and may not be used without his express consent. :rolleyes: [/*]

Do you think maybe LE or even the MC could subpoena it?

CANDYKISSES

03-11-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Oh, absolutely.

And it really weakens the parents' position/questions to include that. [/*]

I would think they know the answers to what they are really asking, but what they are really asking on paper is not what they are really targeting IMHO.

THEY DON'T LIKE THAT CESAR was CALLED STELLAR and had a body, THEIR DAUGHTER's BODY buried in his backyard and I do understand that. Okay, so they want to make sure it doesn't happen again. In the grand scheme some will find it petty, but there is nothing petty when you are grieving.

JMO.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Yeah, well even on a good day w/ my typo disease, I wouldn't get it right. [/*]

You and Steph.....:lol:

crymeariver2006

03-11-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

His questions/ the families questions are the same ones we have been wondering..... [/*]

That's probably where they got them....

:D

strick10

03-11-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I was almost positive the military has DNA on its people. If so and "extradaordinary" circumstances must exist for them to compare it for LE purposes, or what the eff ever, they should RELEASE it FGS!
Oops, HIPPA probably says it belongs to Cesar and may not be used without his express consent. :rolleyes: [/*]

Marines do have DNA on their troops. There's nothing to say that CALs DNA is not going to be used now for legal purposes. We just don't know. O/T: Makes me wonder where my DNA is kept now that I'm retired.

SavannahStar

03-11-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I would think they know the answers to what they are really asking, but what they are really asking on paper is not what they are really targeting IMHO.

THEY DON'T LIKE THAT CESAR was CALLED STELLAR and had a body, THEIR DAUGHTER's BODY buried in his backyard and I do understand that. Okay, so they want to make sure it doesn't happen again. In the grand scheme some will find it petty, but there is nothing petty when you are grieving.

JMO. [/*]

:shrug:

strick10

03-11-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Thanks for that link. I noticed that Turner mentions that he is on the House Armed Services Committee.

This particular question really stood out for me...

Is it true that in unit meetings or other unit gatherings that members of the unit would on some occasions be assembled alphabetically? Laurean and Lauterbach.

JMO [/*]

I don't know where the alpha order comes from. Strange to me as I never saw that type of arrangement after I left boot camp. Formations are based by height after the squad leaders are in place, stand downs and presentations are a find a seat kinda thing not alphabetical order. I'm racking my brain trying to think of where they may have been required to stand in alphabetical order.