Tuesday .. 3-11-08

[strick10]

Originally posted by henry


not caught up on my reading, tsk tsk, but if irc, that dna is to be only used for identification in case of death . . . no link - just from a tired brain! [/*]

That is the primary purpose of the DNA. There's nothing to say as far as I know that it can't be used in a case such as this.

[baywench]

Seems there have been some personnel changes since I left. HMMMMM.....

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by baywench


Here we'll just have to share this one hammer A hitting a brick wall would also be nice. Maybe we could ban the word "stellar" forever so we don't have to keep doing this over, and over, and over. JMO [/*]

Every time I see the word "stellar", I am reminded of "A Streetcar Named Desire" and I want to type....

Stella!

[henry]

Originally posted by baywench


Here we'll just have to share this one hammer A hitting a brick wall would also be nice. Maybe we could ban the word "stellar" forever so we don't have to keep doing this over, and over, and over. JMO [/*]

:D so do you want to officially close the circle?

edit: crap . . . after i posted i'm desperately trying to find my notebook to confirm that you're the grand prize winner in one of my trivia questions.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Manhunt Continues for Laurean Two Months After He Fled

(includes video interview of Capt. Sutherland)

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-03-11-0057.html

[henry]

:) would an unnamed, but very nice, wife please clean out the pm box by deleting some of the messages - thanks!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny
Manhunt Continues for Laurean Two Months After He Fled

(includes video interview of Capt. Sutherland)

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-03-11-0057.html [/*]

NCIS says that paternity tests are STILL pending????

:eek:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry
:) would an unnamed, but very nice, wife please clean out the pm box by deleting some of the messages - thanks! [/*]

Hey, I'm a nice wife!

:D

[henry]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Hey, I'm a nice wife!

:D [/*]

yeah . . . but do you do windows?

i'm so excited to see someone else get ripped about this case . . . will be watching the videos tomorrow morning . . . brain freeze tonite!

[CANDYKISSES]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[BarbraAllen]

I just now read nuttintodo's post on the Questions thread, and also want to say I don't know what is going on but am very grateful to henry and nuttintodo for all this work on behalf of the posters. I think the questions and answers are very useful and add a lot to the discussion.

[hinman]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


NCIS says that paternity tests are STILL pending????

:eek: [/*]Two months seems like a long time to me but maybe not. :shrug:

[hinman]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
I don't know whats going on and I don't WANT to know, but nuttin thank you so much and henry thank you too for all you did to compile the list, which is a good list IMO.

:beer: (sprite, sadly)

:seeya:
AB [/*]:beer: nuttin and henry are great and what they did was a wonderful contribution for us readers.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by donna


AnnieBean, I thought someone had said that the military takes DNA.

Good lord, a bucle (sp) swab or even blood DNA could be stored in the military just like the state crime lab does here in La. for criminal DNA.

A blood DNA kit for the state crime lab consists of a
card where the finger is pricked and four circles are filled by blood droplets. The thumb print is is also placed on the card as well as all identification noted as SS#, birthdate, person taking the sample, and so on. It is then sealed with red evidence tape. The envelope it is placed in as cardboard and it is not too much larger than a postcard. DNA evvelopes do not take up much storage space. I wonder if the military does something on this order? Of course it would not be for the state crime lab, but for the military's identification purposes.

:) [/*]

They already had Laurean and Maria's. They needed the DNA of the baby to determine father. All military profiles are sent to headquarters in Washington, DC.

imoo

[henry]

okay . . . enough:cool: . . . if we didn't get any stellar questions from you folks . . . it would have been a very sad, skimpy and senseless script . . . love words starting with s!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Marines do have DNA on their troops. There's nothing to say that CALs DNA is not going to be used now for legal purposes. We just don't know. O/T: Makes me wonder where my DNA is kept now that I'm retired. [/*]

It will stay on file for the rest of your life and maybe even longer.

imoo

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


It will stay on file for the rest of your life and maybe even longer.

imoo [/*]

O/T: Maybe they want to clone me....nah, they can't handle another me. Asked my hubby about the DNA and he says it'll say on file for as long and they want to keep it on file....

[baywench]

Originally posted by henry


:D so do you want to officially close the circle?

edit: crap . . . after i posted i'm desperately trying to find my notebook to confirm that you're the grand prize winner in one of my trivia questions. [/*]

Yep that was me......MENSA!

[donna]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


They already had Laurean and Maria's. They needed the DNA of the baby to determine father. All military profiles are sent to headquarters in Washington, DC.

imoo [/*]

Ty, GB! I read Maka's link on DNA and I understand now!

:)

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


They already had Laurean and Maria's. They needed the DNA of the baby to determine father. All military profiles are sent to headquarters in Washington, DC.

imoo [/*]They did have that but I guess they can not use that DNA to determine if the baby was his and were suppose to get a DNA sample from him. If I am reading the questions right they might of asked him and he stated he would supply DNA when the baby was born.

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
I don't know whats going on and I don't WANT to know, but nuttin thank you so much and henry thank you too for all you did to compile the list, which is a good list IMO.

:beer: (sprite, sadly)

:seeya:
AB [/*]

It sure is a good list. What happened last night was unfortunate. I appreciate henry and nuttin for their work on the questions and answers also.

:rose: ... henry and nuttin - Thank you both!

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
They did have that but I guess they can not use that DNA to determine if the baby was his and were suppose to get a DNA sample from him. If I am reading the questions right they might of asked him and he stated he would supply DNA when the baby was born. [/*]

and what would the next question be . . . i won't be here when the baby's born 'cause . . . it's a fill-in-the blank . . . where's gpeas to pick up on this one?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I would think they know the answers to what they are really asking, but what they are really asking on paper is not what they are really targeting IMHO.

THEY DON'T LIKE THAT CESAR was CALLED STELLAR and had a body, THEIR DAUGHTER's BODY buried in his backyard and I do understand that. Okay, so they want to make sure it doesn't happen again. In the grand scheme some will find it petty, but there is nothing petty when you are grieving.

JMO. [/*]

I don't think they know any of the answers they are wanting to know. It sounds like the MC have not opened their files and documents to the Lauterbach family yet. They really don't have to since Maria was not only an adult and not a Dependant child but property of the MC at the time. It would be interesting if there are privacy laws in place to prohibit that.

To me he is going by what has been told by the Lauterbach family and what was said in the one MC PC. None of that is the actual files that exist on what REALLY happened from the moment the complaint was filed. The only way they will know that is if they are allowed to meet with the MC or NCIS.

I think they better be careful in what they really want to know and make sure they really DO want to know it no matter what it may be.

I think the MC can easily show them why Maria's files may show her as a "solid" Marine after a year and a half and why Laurean was called a "stellar" Marine after a longer service period including being meritoriously promoted. All of the reasons for doing so will be in his file and all of their achievements will be in there. Since Lauren was awarded the good cookie medal I tend to think there are no infractions in his entire military folder until the allegations were made in May 07 and he was never arrested and found guilty.

I do fully understand them wanting to know but I feel there may be things in there that may be best left unknown. JMO tho

IMO

[henry]

gb . . . ita . . . i must have been a smart kid 'cause when i was 20 i told my parents that exact thing . . . and they stopped asking "those" kind of questions . . . yes, i was a late bloomer (and proud of it now!)

edit . . . but if it was my daughter, i'd want to know everything . . . both good and bad. honesty & truth is the most powerful gift one can give to another.

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I don't think they know any of the answers they are wanting to know. It sounds like the MC have not opened their files and documents to the Lauterbach family yet. They really don't have to since Maria was not only an adult and not a Dependant child but property of the MC at the time. It would be interesting if there are privacy laws in place to prohibit that.

To me he is going by what has been told by the Lauterbach family and what was said in the one MC PC. None of that is the actual files that exist on what REALLY happened from the moment the complaint was filed. The only way they will know that is if they are allowed to meet with the MC or NCIS.

I think they better be careful in what they really want to know and make sure they really DO want to know it no matter what it may be.

I think the MC can easily show them why Maria's files may show her as a "solid" Marine after a year and a half and why Laurean was called a "stellar" Marine after a longer service period including being meritoriously promoted. All of the reasons for doing so will be in his file and all of their achievements will be in there. Since Lauren was awarded the good cookie medal I tend to think there are no infractions in his entire military folder until the allegations were made in May 07 and he was never arrested and found guilty.

I do fully understand them wanting to know but I feel there may be things in there that may be best left unknown. JMO tho

IMO [/*]I think that her family is prepared to hear anything. Surely they have prepared themselves for the answers. I think there questions are valid and I would probably have the same questions if it was my daughter.

I don't see what good it would do the military to not inform the family, that is just going to give the impression they are trying to hide something. The questions they have will more then likely not come out in trial since it is military related.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I think that her family is prepared to hear anything. Surely they have prepared themselves for the answers. I think there questions are valid and I would probably have the same questions if it was my daughter.

I don't see what good it would do the military to not inform the family, that is just going to give the impression they are trying to hide something. The questions they have will more then likely not come out in trial since it is military related. [/*]

True but I wonder how much information they are allowed to release on an adult that was in the military. They have no permission from Maria that she would ever want her confidential information open for consumption.

If they are continuing to investigate the allegations the MC will remain silent imo. They will however send him a letter imo and I do think they will tell them as much as answering as much as they can release.

imo

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
I think that her family is prepared to hear anything. Surely they have prepared themselves for the answers. I think there questions are valid and I would probably have the same questions if it was my daughter.

I don't see what good it would do the military to not inform the family, that is just going to give the impression they are trying to hide something. The questions they have will more then likely not come out in trial since it is military related. [/*]

I hope for the families sake they are prepared to hear anything, good or bad. They deserve answers to their questions and I hope the MC and NCIS answers those questions and provides them additional information aside from their questions.

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


True but I wonder how much information they are allowed to release on an adult that was in the military. They have no permission from Maria that she would ever want her confidential information open for consumption.

If they are continuing to investigate the allegations the MC will remain silent imo. They will however send him a letter imo and I do think they will tell them as much as answering as much as they can release.

imo [/*]I never thought about confidentiality rights. Hmmm I just don't know but that is a interesting question. I don't know how answering them questions would hurt the investigation. I didn't see any questions that really pertained to the rape itself but more to the steps the military took and why Christina was put on active duty. Now they might not be able to answer that question.

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


I hope for the families sake they are prepared to hear anything, good or bad. They deserve answers to their questions and I hope the MC and NCIS answers those questions and provides them additional information aside from their questions. [/*]I do to strick. Hopefully they have prepared themselves. I am sure they have heard talk so hopefully they realize that the talk could be true. It might break their heart if it comes out that Maria and CL had a relationship (not saying they did) maybe not even sexual after the alleged rape.

But I do feel like they are warranted questions and the military should answer them.

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
I never thought about confidentiality rights. Hmmm I just don't know but that is a interesting question. I don't know how answering them questions would hurt the investigation. I didn't see any questions that really pertained to the rape itself but more to the steps the military took and why Christina was put on active duty. Now they might not be able to answer that question. [/*]

In my experience we were not to release information that would embarass the family or the Marine when we made casualty calls. If the family wanted more information than what we were allowed to give them they had to contact higher Headquarters where their questions could be addressed.

This is a different type of request for information and they have gone to the top, so I don't know how much the MC will release to the family with out affecting the privacy act law and confidentiality rights. I'm leading to believe they'll answer questions about Maria but maybe not about CAL nor CSL. The family wanting info on CSL leads me to believe that they may feel she may have been involved.

[marinewife5]

Good evening all...it will take me weeks to catch up on posts.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by strick10


I hope for the families sake they are prepared to hear anything, good or bad. They deserve answers to their questions and I hope the MC and NCIS answers those questions and provides them additional information aside from their questions. [/*]
Whew, got home, fixed some dinner and lots of posts to catch up on.

Wanted to comment on the family being prepared to hear anything. IMO, some of the questions IF answered MAY show that everything the family was told by Maria MAY not have been factual.

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5
Good evening all...it will take me weeks to catch up on posts. [/*]

:seeya: .... Missed you, marinewife5! Glad you are back!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


It sure is a good list. What happened last night was unfortunate. I appreciate henry and nuttin for their work on the questions and answers also.

:rose: ... henry and nuttin - Thank you both! [/*]

I was here last night AND today and saw "what happened" but as much as I rub my brain, I can't understand it. Two people posted the exact same reply from RS, to questions asked. One person was "new" on the board (first one to post the response), the other one a regular poster, who had someone else post the RS response. Now how the two responses were the same, AND the crazy "ii" questions about the first posters' email addy for RS.......is beyond me. I guess I'm just not in the inner loop as to what happened. But obviously something is missing here. And no one wants to discuss. So I'll drop it. But I stand confused.

[hinman]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I was here last night AND today and saw "what happened" but as much as I rub my brain, I can't understand it. Two people posted the exact same reply from RS, to questions asked. One person was "new" on the board (first one to post the response), the other one a regular poster, who had someone else post the RS response. Now how the two responses were the same, AND the crazy "ii" questions about the first posters' email addy for RS.......is beyond me. I guess I'm just not in the inner loop as to what happened. But obviously something is missing here. And no one wants to discuss. So I'll drop it. But I stand confused. [/*]:confused: me too.

[strick10]

Originally posted by marinewife5
Good evening all...it will take me weeks to catch up on posts. [/*]

Posters have been wondering about you. I personally thought you were hangin' w/ Wanda. :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by hinman
:confused: me too. [/*]

Whew. Thanks. I thought I just wasn't "catching on."

But apparently it's verbotim. :shrug:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by strick10


Posters have been wondering about you. I personally thought you were hangin' w/ Wanda. :seeya: [/*]

I'm putting together a game plan for that as soon as my schedule eases up.

[strick10]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I'm putting together a game plan for that as soon as my schedule eases up. [/*]

Any new information your way?

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I was here last night AND today and saw "what happened" but as much as I rub my brain, I can't understand it. Two people posted the exact same reply from RS, to questions asked. One person was "new" on the board (first one to post the response), the other one a regular poster, who had someone else post the RS response. Now how the two responses were the same, AND the crazy "ii" questions about the first posters' email addy for RS.......is beyond me. I guess I'm just not in the inner loop as to what happened. But obviously something is missing here. And no one wants to discuss. So I'll drop it. But I stand confused. [/*]

I was just meaning the confusion that happened last night was unfortunate.
There is no inner loop.
I was just replying to appreciating the questions thread also as the poster I answered to did!



:)

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by strick10


Any new information your way? [/*]

Nada. And i do find it unlikely the MC or NCIS is going to release anything beyond what they already have. jmo

[hinman]

Originally posted by marinewife5


Nada. And i do find it unlikely the MC or NCIS is going to release anything beyond what they already have. jmo [/*]Glad you are back. So is there still people talking about the case down there or has it slipped to the back of everyone's mind?

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by hinman
Glad you are back. So is there still people talking about the case down there or has it slipped to the back of everyone's mind? [/*]

it's slipping. no news coverage hasn't helped.

[donna]

I find the family's question concerning Christina very interesting. It makes me wonder if the family may think that she may have been involved in some way - cleanup or even more. They may resent the fact that Christina knew that CAL had buried Maria's body and said nothing. Christina knew it on Thursday morning on the way to the lawyers office. If I were the family, I would want to know why she let him actually leave before reporting it. I would have very hard feelings toward Christina.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by donna
I find the family's question concerning Christina very interesting. It makes me wonder if the family may think that she may have been involved in some way - cleanup or even more. They may resent the fact that Christina knew that CAL had buried Maria's body and said nothing. Christina knew it on Thursday morning on the way to the lawyers office. If I were the family, I would want to know why she let him actually leave before reporting it. I would have very hard feelings toward Christina. [/*]

ditto and :seeya: mw5!:patriot:

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by old_lady



I been reading here a while and registered to post, but when I was reading last night and today I thought maybe new posters aren't treated to good. :shrug:

jmo [/*]

I'll treat ya' good. guaranteed.:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by old_lady



I been reading here a while and registered to post, but when I was reading last night and today I thought maybe new posters aren't treated to good. :shrug:

jmo [/*]

Well, thank heavens you kept reading so you could see that just wasn't the case.

:rose: Welcome Old Lady!

[hinman]

Originally posted by old_lady



I been reading here a while and registered to post, but when I was reading last night and today I thought maybe new posters aren't treated to good. :shrug:

jmo [/*]welcome old_lady. I hope that you find out that we treat new posters good. I enjoy new posters and welcome everyone opinion. I think there is a great group here. It seems to work best if you don't view posts that don't agree with the same ideas you have as offensive.

Any way welcome to the thread :seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna
I find the family's question concerning Christina very interesting. It makes me wonder if the family may think that she may have been involved in some way - cleanup or even more. They may resent the fact that Christina knew that CAL had buried Maria's body and said nothing. Christina knew it on Thursday morning on the way to the lawyers office. If I were the family, I would want to know why she let him actually leave before reporting it. I would have very hard feelings toward Christina. [/*]

If CSL were involved I can clearly see why she waited, if she was not I can also see why she waited. If she is not involved whatsoever it had to have been a very difficult decision for her to make, probably in shock. If she was involved she had to make sure her ducks were in line and needed that time. I agree, the family wanting to know about CSL as it also leads me to believe they think she was involved. They may question why she waited but I think they're more apt to think she was involved. IMO

[donna]

Welcome!

There are really great articles on the link thread when you have time!

[strick10]

Originally posted by old_lady



I been reading here a while and registered to post, but when I was reading last night and today I thought maybe new posters aren't treated to good. :shrug:

jmo [/*]

Welcome :seeya:

[hinman]

Originally posted by strick10


If CSL were involved I can clearly see why she waited, if she was not I can also see why she waited. If she is not involved whatsoever it had to have been a very difficult decision for her to make, probably in shock. If she was involved she had to make sure her ducks were in line and needed that time. I agree, the family wanting to know about CSL as it also leads me also to believe they think she was involved. They may question why she waited but I think they're more apt to think she was involved. IMO [/*]strick would it be common for the military to move someone to active duty during a murder investigation involving their husband.

I know, I know, you probably have no idea, just thought I would ask.:D

[baywench]

Originally posted by old_lady



I been reading here a while and registered to post, but when I was reading last night and today I thought maybe new posters aren't treated to good. :shrug:

jmo [/*]

We were all new posters here at one time and get along fine. I think you read at an unfortunate time when there was some trouble between posters. We all are passionate the case. Welcome, you'll get used to us!

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by hinman
strick would it be common for the military to move someone to active duty during a murder investigation involving their husband.

I know, I know, you probably have no idea, just thought I would ask.:D [/*]

her move to active duty was in the works before december 14th and had nothing to do with the situation with maria. jmo..sorry. i know i'm not strick

[hinman]

Originally posted by marinewife5


her move to active duty was in the works before december 14th and had nothing to do with the situation with maria. jmo..sorry. i know i'm not strick [/*]Do you think they will answer that question then since the state representative asked it in his letter?

Ok was the letter from the state rep My mind just went blank.

[strick10]

Originally posted by hinman
strick would it be common for the military to move someone to active duty during a murder investigation involving their husband.

I know, I know, you probably have no idea, just thought I would ask.:D [/*]

Not in my opinion. The murder case is out of the MC's jurisdiction. I think her active duty status request had already been in the works months before she actually went active duty.

[marinewife5]

Originally posted by hinman
Do you think they will answer that question then since the state representative asked it in his letter?

Ok was the letter from the state rep My mind just went blank. [/*]

I doubt it. Anything having to do with csl's career is private info.

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


If CSL were involved I can clearly see why she waited, if she was not I can also see why she waited. If she is not involved whatsoever it had to have been a very difficult decision for her to make, probably in shock. If she was involved she had to make sure her ducks were in line and needed that time. I agree, the family wanting to know about CSL as it also leads me also to believe they think she was involved. They may question why she waited but I think they're more apt to think she was involved. IMO [/*]

I think they may think Christina may be the person who allowed the murderer of their daughter (adopted or not) to get away.
You know I have been wrong before, but I will never be able to understand or accept that Christina did not at the very least help with the coverup.
Also, If Christina had known the morning before when she went with Cesar to the lawyers office that Cesar had buried a body, then her shock must have been tremendous because it was the NEXT morning when he fled.

Got to applaud you, strick10, for keeping an open mind! I wish I could!

:)

[hinman]

Originally posted by marinewife5


I doubt it. Anything having to do with csl's career is private info. [/*]very true. They probably do not have a right to that info considering she is not a suspect or being charged with anything.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
very true. They probably do not have a right to that info considering she is not a suspect or being charged with anything. [/*]

At this time anyway Hinman. :D

JMO

[marinewife5]

I'm going to hit the hay now...everyone have a good night and I'll check in tomorrow! (i've really missed you guys!):seeya:

[hinman]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


At this time anyway Hinman. :D

JMO [/*]:D
you know with this case anything is possible. I could wake up tomorrow and she will be charged, or cleared.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by marinewife5
I'm going to hit the hay now...everyone have a good night and I'll check in tomorrow! (i've really missed you guys!):seeya: [/*]

Take care and come back when you can. We miss your expertise and humor. :patriot:

[donna]

Originally posted by marinewife5
I'm going to hit the hay now...everyone have a good night and I'll check in tomorrow! (i've really missed you guys!):seeya: [/*]

:seeya: ... G'Night!

Hope you have more time soon! I miss your posts!

[gaelicpeas]

Maybe CSL decided back in June when ML was confirmed pregnant that maybe she should get her paperwork in order to get back active status in order to keep an eye on her hubby. I believe Strick or Caejde said it takes around 6 months for that paperwork to go through.

Just a thought, and JMO.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by marinewife5
I'm going to hit the hay now...everyone have a good night and I'll check in tomorrow! (i've really missed you guys!):seeya: [/*]

g'night mw5 :seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady
Snipped quote from Donna's post:

"I think they may think Christina may be the person who allowed the murderer of their daughter (adopted or not) to get away."



I'm sorry but I don't quite understand what you mean by "adopted or not". Is there a difference? [/*]

Maria was adopted by the Lauterback's at age 19 months. They feel she is their daughter as much as a natural child would be. I know I would feel that way.

No, there is no difference and should not be.

:)

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
:D
you know with this case anything is possible. I could wake up tomorrow and she will be charged, or cleared. [/*]

:D .... ain't it the truth!

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


I think they may think Christina may be the person who allowed the murderer of their daughter (adopted or not) to get away.
You know I have been wrong before, but I will never be able to understand or accept that Christina did not at the very least help with the coverup.
Also, If Christina had known the morning before when she went with Cesar to the lawyers office that Cesar had buried a body, then her shock must have been tremendous because it was the NEXT morning when he fled.

Got to applaud you, strick10, for keeping an open mind! I wish I could!

:) [/*]

Oh, my mind isn't that open. I also think Christinas' involved more than we know I just haven't quite made up my mind how so. I can see the family blaming CSL for allowing CAL to leave.

[strick10]

Well folks, my pillow is calling my name. Y'all have a great evening! If CAL is caught while you all are still up wake me up. :seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


Oh, my mind isn't that open. I also think Christinas' involved more than we know I just haven't quite made up my mind how so. I can see the family blaming CSL for allowing CAL to leave. [/*]

:)

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I never thought about confidentiality rights. Hmmm I just don't know but that is a interesting question. I don't know how answering them questions would hurt the investigation. I didn't see any questions that really pertained to the rape itself but more to the steps the military took and why Christina was put on active duty. Now they might not be able to answer that question. [/*]

Well one thing I sure feel they will not disclose and that is any information about Lance Corporal Christina Laurean.

imoo

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by strick10


This is a different type of request for information and they have gone to the top, so I don't know how much the MC will release to the family with out affecting the privacy act law and confidentiality rights. [/*]

<snipped>

Considering that Maria's family has hired attorneys, I am confident they will know how to comply with everything that HIPAA requires in order for Maria's medical records to be released. It really is not difficult, nor is it uncommon, IMO.

Here's just one link which contains info outlining the requirements that need to be fulfilled to stay in compliance with HIPAA regulations.

http://www.physiciansnews.com/law/1206turcotte.html

Excerpt...

Requests For Deceased or Incapacitated Patients’ Records.

Physician practices should not assume that they are free to give copies of a deceased patient’s medical records to an attorney or family member. As discussed above, HIPAA gives the right of access to the individual whose records are involved. If the individual is legally unable to act, such as after death, then a physician practice may disclose the individual’s records only to the individual’s "personal representative," as defined in HIPAA.

For a deceased individual, a "personal representative" is "an executor, administrator, or other person [who] has authority to act on behalf of a deceased individual or of the individual’s estate." Therefore, before a physician practice can disclose a decedent’s records, the practice must obtain proof, such as a "short certificate" from the county register of wills appointing the executor. With that paper in hand, it may release the records to the decedent’s "personal representative."

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10
Well folks, my pillow is calling my name. Y'all have a great evening! If CAL is caught while you all are still up wake me up. :seeya: [/*]

:seeya: ... G'Night, strick10! Sleep well!

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Well one thing I sure feel they will not disclose and that is any information about Lance Corporal Christina Laurean.

imoo [/*]

Whoa, how do you know she's a LCpl? Pillow can wait a few.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10
Well folks, my pillow is calling my name. Y'all have a great evening! If CAL is caught while you all are still up wake me up. :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by old_lady


You could be right there with what the family is thinking. Old lady needs her sleep.

Goodnight:seeya: [/*]

:seeya: ... G'Night - Sleep well!

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by donna
I find the family's question concerning Christina very interesting. It makes me wonder if the family may think that she may have been involved in some way - cleanup or even more. They may resent the fact that Christina knew that CAL had buried Maria's body and said nothing. Christina knew it on Thursday morning on the way to the lawyers office. If I were the family, I would want to know why she let him actually leave before reporting it. I would have very hard feelings toward Christina. [/*]

That makes sense, Donna, I had not thought of it in that way.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by strick10


Whoa, how do you know she's a LCpl? Pillow can wait a few. [/*]

Oh gosh Strick........that came out in the media when the case first began. She and Maria both were Lance Corporals.

I wonder how long she had been in and if she was a Marine when she married Laurean when he was 18.

Maybe Lynn can find the link......for us tonight. If she isn't around tonight I will ask her tomorrow.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


That makes sense, Donna, I had not thought of it in that way. [/*]

Thank you, BarbraAllen. I would feel that way if I were her family. I feel that way anyway!

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by old_lady


You could be right there with what the family is thinking. Old lady needs her sleep.

Goodnight:seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by strick10
Well folks, my pillow is calling my name. Y'all have a great evening! If CAL is caught while you all are still up wake me up. :seeya: [/*]

g'night Strick :seeya:

[strick10]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh gosh Strick........that came out in the media when the case first began. She and Maria both were Lance Corporals.

I wonder how long she had been in and if she was a Marine when she married Laurean when he was 18.

Maybe Lynn can find the link......for us tonight. If she isn't around tonight I will ask her tomorrow.

imoo [/*]

OMGosh, I missed that one! Thanks GB!

[baywench]

Originally posted by donna


I think they may think Christina may be the person who allowed the murderer of their daughter (adopted or not) to get away.
You know I have been wrong before, but I will never be able to understand or accept that Christina did not at the very least help with the coverup.
Also, If Christina had known the morning before when she went with Cesar to the lawyers office that Cesar had buried a body, then her shock must have been tremendous because it was the NEXT morning when he fled.

Got to applaud you, strick10, for keeping an open mind! I wish I could!

:) [/*]

As much as we want to find out how much she knows I can only imagine how they feel. You are right....I would be livid and would want to talk to her. I would resent she was alive and my daughter wasn't. Not nice...but I know I would. JMO

[baywench]

Nite strick, nite MW%, Hi GP, Nite all!

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Mimi428


<snipped>

http://www.physiciansnews.com/law/1206turcotte.html

Excerpt...

Requests For Deceased or Incapacitated Patients’ Records.

Physician practices should not assume that they are free to give copies of a deceased patient’s medical records to an attorney or family member. As discussed above, HIPAA gives the right of access to the individual whose records are involved. If the individual is legally unable to act, such as after death, then a physician practice may disclose the individual’s records only to the individual’s "personal representative," as defined in HIPAA.

For a deceased individual, a "personal representative" is "an executor, administrator, or other person [who] has authority to act on behalf of a deceased individual or of the individual’s estate." Therefore, before a physician practice can disclose a decedent’s records, the practice must obtain proof, such as a "short certificate" from the county register of wills appointing the executor. With that paper in hand, it may release the records to the decedent’s "personal representative." [/*]

Good to know, Mimi. I was sitting here horrified thinking that ML's family wouldn't have access to her medical records.

Actually, listening to the military posters here, it astounds me how much control the military has over the records of the enlisted. It is as if all their rights fly out the window or something...

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by baywench


As much as we want to find out how much she knows I can only imagine how they feel. You are right....I would be livid and would want to talk to her. I would resent she was alive and my daughter wasn't. Not nice...but I know I would. JMO [/*]

Hi Bay! Yes, I would agree, ML's family would be livid... and they have every right to be, IMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Mimi428


<snipped>

Considering that Maria's family has hired attorneys, I am confident they will know how to comply with everything that HIPAA requires in order for Maria's medical records to be released. It really is not difficult, nor is it uncommon, IMO.

Here's just one link which contains info outlining the requirements that need to be fulfilled to stay in compliance with HIPAA regulations.

http://www.physiciansnews.com/law/1206turcotte.html

Excerpt...

Requests For Deceased or Incapacitated Patients’ Records.

Physician practices should not assume that they are free to give copies of a deceased patient’s medical records to an attorney or family member. As discussed above, HIPAA gives the right of access to the individual whose records are involved. If the individual is legally unable to act, such as after death, then a physician practice may disclose the individual’s records only to the individual’s "personal representative," as defined in HIPAA.

For a deceased individual, a "personal representative" is "an executor, administrator, or other person [who] has authority to act on behalf of a deceased individual or of the individual’s estate." Therefore, before a physician practice can disclose a decedent’s records, the practice must obtain proof, such as a "short certificate" from the county register of wills appointing the executor. With that paper in hand, it may release the records to the decedent’s "personal representative." [/*]

Do we even know if Maria had a Will?

This seems to be lawyers that are filing a lawsuit for a wrongful death where they feel the physician or hospital may have been at fault or a personal representative that is filing a civil suit.

But maybe I am just not understanding this and does this pertain to gathering confidential information from the federal government, especially the military? I am just not so sure they would have a right to infiltrate Maria's privacy to her MC history.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Oh gosh Strick........that came out in the media when the case first began. She and Maria both were Lance Corporals.

I wonder how long she had been in and if she was a Marine when she married Laurean when he was 18.

Maybe Lynn can find the link......for us tonight. If she isn't around tonight I will ask her tomorrow.

imoo [/*]I think I read that also when her name was first mentioned and there were reports she was military.

[hinman]

Originally posted by baywench
Nite strick, nite MW%, Hi GP, Nite all! [/*]:seeya: sleep tight.

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Do we even know if Maria had a Will?

This seems to be lawyers that are filing a lawsuit for a wrongful death where they feel the physician or hospital may have been at fault or a personal representative that is filing a civil suit.

But maybe I am just not understanding this and does this pertain to gathering confidential information from the federal government, especially the military? I am just not so sure they would have a right to infiltrate Maria's privacy to her MC history.

imoo [/*]I think her family feels the military was at fault for her death so it would be a wrongful death suit. It seems they feel the military could of prevented her death. At least that is the impression I am getting from the questions they want answered.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Good to know, Mimi. I was sitting here horrified thinking that ML's family wouldn't have access to her medical records.

Actually, listening to the military posters here, it astounds me how much control the military has over the records of the enlisted. It is as if all their rights fly out the window or something...

JMO [/*]

It does. The entire military is based on confidentiality.

Even my son tried to get some medical records on HIMSELF after his contract was finished and it took so much red tape and over a year to get them.

Of course he called them up one time after his contract had ended and became a Veteran and they told him their computer had him as deceased. He told them that he knew what it felt like to have a very bad day and a good day all wrapped into one. Finding out that he was so supposed to be dead yet knowing he was still alive.:eek:

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I think her family feels the military was at fault for her death so it would be a wrongful death suit. It seems they feel the military could of prevented her death. At least that is the impression I am getting from the questions they want answered. [/*]

I didn't think they had mentioned anything about filing a lawsuit.

I am not sure that would be a winnable case. Nothing ever happened under their jurisdiction. Even Maria said he had not violated the MPO.

I didn't know people could sue the military.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by baywench


As much as we want to find out how much she knows I can only imagine how they feel. You are right....I would be livid and would want to talk to her. I would resent she was alive and my daughter wasn't. Not nice...but I know I would. JMO [/*]

Yes, baywench, I would definately want LE to hit her with the hard questions.

I just do not understand the 'love' that would even allow me to close my eyes and sleep in the same house as anyone having told me just that very day that he had buried a body and just continued to go to work as if nothing had happened. Living a lie as Cesar was.

I would have continued on to the lawyers office with him but not gone back home with him.

All of this has been said before, but I just cannot understand it!

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I didn't think they had mentioned anything about filing a lawsuit.

I am not sure that would be a winnable case. Nothing ever happened under their jurisdiction. Even Maria said he had not violated the MPO.

I didn't know people could sue the military.

imoo [/*]They haven't said they will file a suit but I think they are trying to get the laws changed. Just saying that it could be a wronful death suit against the people not the military in its whole I guess, who did not follow the procedure if the procedure was not followed correctly.

anyway my whole point was if they have to use that to get her records. I don't know much about it to be honoes t I know nothing on how that works.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
I think I read that also when her name was first mentioned and there were reports she was military. [/*]

I guess when she went into the reserves her rank was frozen. If she went in at 18 she sure should have been more than a Lance Corporal when she was 22.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I didn't think they had mentioned anything about filing a lawsuit.

I am not sure that would be a winnable case. Nothing ever happened under their jurisdiction. Even Maria said he had not violated the MPO.

I didn't know people could sue the military.

imoo [/*]

I am not a legal expert by any means, but I think you are right - I am pretty sure you can't sue the government, and I would imagine the military is a government entity. But JMO.

[hinman]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I am not a legal expert by any means, but I think you are right - I am pretty sure you can't sue the government, and I would imagine the military is a government entity. But JMO. [/*]But could you sue the individual who was in charge of your case?

I mean you could sue people in the military. I don't think her family would sue the military as a whole and I guess I shouldn't say sue the military.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I am not a legal expert by any means, but I think you are right - I am pretty sure you can't sue the government, and I would imagine the military is a government entity. But JMO. [/*]

That is what I have always heard that they are excluded.

Because if so I think all of these war veterans that are being mistreated so badly when they come back to the States in such bad shape would sue the pants off of the government if they were allowed to do so but I never hear of them suing even the Veterans Administration.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
But could you sue the individual who was in charge of your case?

I mean you could sue people in the military. I don't think her family would sue the military as a whole and I guess I shouldn't say sue the military. [/*]

The only one I see that they could sue would be Laurean himself as an individual person.

imoo

[hinman]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what I have always heard that they are excluded.

Because if so I think all of these war veterans that are being mistreated so badly when they come back to the States in such bad shape would sue the pants off of the government if they were allowed to do so but I never hear of them suing even the Veterans Administration.

imoo [/*]well that darn law needs to be changed. They can basically do what ever they want with no consequences. That is scary.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by hinman
well that darn law needs to be changed. They can basically do what ever they want with no consequences. That is scary. [/*]

ITA...

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by hinman
well that darn law needs to be changed. They can basically do what ever they want with no consequences. That is scary. [/*]

I agree, especially in the medical field. If gives these military and VA doctors/nurses a license to kill or maim without having to pay the price for it.

My son is a veteran and once he went to get medication for his back and they gave him two drugs. He doesn't know anything about drugs because he rarely takes anything. Well thank goodness his wife looked up their compatibility on the Internet and they could be LETHAL:cuss: if taken together.

It is very scary and my heart breaks for all these men and women who have given so much to their country.

imoo

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I agree, especially in the medical field. If gives these military and VA doctors/nurses a license to kill or maim without having to pay the price for it.

My son is a veteran and once he went to get medication for his back and they gave him two drugs. He doesn't know anything about drugs because he rarely takes anything. Well thank goodness his wife looked up their compatibility on the Internet and they could be LETHAL:cuss: if taken together.

It is very scary and my heart breaks for all these men and women who have given so much to their country.

imoo [/*]

I agree, Gentle.. it seems that when you sign up for the military, all your rights just go right out the window. That doesn't make sense to me. There needs to be some accountability.

I can understand the issues relating to national security, etc, etc.. but there still needs to be some checks and balances in the military with regards to the rights of the enlisted.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


The only one I see that they could sue would be Laurean himself as an individual person.

imoo [/*]

Which they should be but they will most likely never see any compensation from CAL. :flamemad:

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


That is what I have always heard that they are excluded.

Because if so I think all of these war veterans that are being mistreated so badly when they come back to the States in such bad shape would sue the pants off of the government if they were allowed to do so but I never hear of them suing even the Veterans Administration.

imoo [/*]

I know many ions ago an officer's wife was killed by an errant bomb while she was traveling on Lyman Rd. (near the back gate on the Hubert side). Her husband, who IIRC, was a Lt.Col. did sue the government/USMC and was awarded a settlement over her death. When her death occurred it changed the way traffic flows around the back gate when live firing is happening (Lyman Rd. is closed during any live firing).

Then there was a local elementary school principal's son who was killed just after the son graduated from high school by a convoy 5 ton truck who didn't stop for a red light. His family sued the government also but it took many years and the government finally settled with his family for an undisclosed amount.

And isn't Pat Tillman's family attempting to sue in his death?

JMO

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I know many ions ago an officer's wife was killed by an errant bomb while she was traveling on Lyman Rd. (near the back gate on the Hubert side). Her husband, who IIRC, was a Lt.Col. did sue the government/USMC and was awarded a settlement over her death. When her death occurred it changed the way traffic flows around the back gate when live firing is happening (Lyman Rd. is closed during any live firing).

Then there was a local elementary school principal's son who was killed just after the son graduated from high school by a convoy 5 ton truck who didn't stop for a red light. His family sued the government also but it took many years and the government finally settled with his family for an undisclosed amount.

And isn't Pat Tillman's family attempting to sue in his death?

JMO [/*]

Hi Nuttin. I almost missed you.

I would think if a civilian was killed then they would be allowed to sue the government if the government was at fault so the ones you have listed makes sense.

I really don't know about what the family is doing in Pat's case.

imoo

[Maka]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Do we even know if Maria had a Will?

This seems to be lawyers that are filing a lawsuit for a wrongful death where they feel the physician or hospital may have been at fault or a personal representative that is filing a civil suit.

But maybe I am just not understanding this and does this pertain to gathering confidential information from the federal government, especially the military? I am just not so sure they would have a right to infiltrate Maria's privacy to her MC history.

imoo [/*]

Court record shows Maria had no will.

Mary's listed as fiduciary. & In Ohio, the fiduciary seems to serve the same role as an administrator (intestate). So Mary can ask the military for Maria's medical records. moo

http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/probate/departments/estate_admin.cfm
"If there is no will, the fiduciary is an administrator."

Added: on the docket there is a notation there was a will

later in the docket it notes No Will

:confused:

I'll say there was no will since it's written twice that way

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


Hi Nuttin. I almost missed you.

I would think if a civilian was killed then they would be allowed to sue the government if the government was at fault so the ones you have listed makes sense.

I really don't know about what the family is doing in Pat's case.

imoo [/*]

I've been here trying to catch up on all the posts while I was out. So I've been sitting here for over 2 hours, LOL. Ya'll post too much, LOL.

I do know that the LtCol who sued was still AD when the accident occurred. (one of his daughters went to school with me)

And the principal's son---that was so horrible! The son had been awarded a NC Teaching Fellows grant (that's where their education is completely paid for if they plan on teaching in state for a certain period of time). His parents had arranged it to be kept secret until the night he graduated. And then in just a matter of a couple of days he was killed instantly at the Hwy. 172 intersection.

I only asked about Pat Tillman since Mimi had brought him up earlier and was curious to know if the family was going to sue the government/Army.

jmo

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by hinman
Thank you I would love to see the answers to them questions. [/*]

I would too, hinman, but I like that questions are being asked.
Sometimes you don't need an answer to make a point. ;)

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


I would too, hinman, but I like that questions are being asked.
Sometimes you don't need an answer to make a point. ;) [/*]

Agreed.. and this guy is on the Armed Services Committee.. he must have some pull..

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Maka


Court record shows Maria had no will.

Mary's listed as fiduciary. & In Ohio, the fiduciary seems to serve the same role as an administrator (intestate). So Mary can ask the military for Maria's medical records. moo

http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/probate/departments/estate_admin.cfm
"If there is no will, the fiduciary is an administrator."

Added: on the docket there is a notation there was a will

later in the docket it notes No Will

:confused:

I'll say there was no will since it's written twice that way [/*]

I don't know much about this as I am not a legal expert.. but I would assume next of kin would be the Executor?

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I've been here trying to catch up on all the posts while I was out. So I've been sitting here for over 2 hours, LOL. Ya'll post too much, LOL.

I do know that the LtCol who sued was still AD when the accident occurred. (one of his daughters went to school with me)

And the principal's son---that was so horrible! The son had been awarded a NC Teaching Fellows grant (that's where their education is completely paid for if they plan on teaching in state for a certain period of time). His parents had arranged it to be kept secret until the night he graduated. And then in just a matter of a couple of days he was killed instantly at the Hwy. 172 intersection.

I only asked about Pat Tillman since Mimi had brought him up earlier and was curious to know if the family was going to sue the government/Army.

jmo [/*]

Us? Talk too much?:eek: NEVAH!:D

Yes, I don't think that would make a difference since his wife was a civilian, right?

They have to have liability insurance I am sure when they are off grounds in case there is an acident or when a civilian may come and go on the base.

Well I am turning in tonight.

See ya tomorrow!:seeya:

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Agreed.. and this guy is on the Armed Services Committee.. he must have some pull.. [/*]

Time will tell, gaelic. I just like that someone is "standing up."

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Interesting, Ion. I respect your opinions very much, you know.

On this one, though, I saw it totally different. That this guy was gonna get his name in the paper by getting a hook into this story. [/*]

Well, questions are often thinly veiled statements, and as long
as the story gets in the paper...:shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Ionmhainn


Time will tell, gaelic. I just like that someone is "standing up." [/*]

I agree, Ion, and he is a major public, political figure it seems...

[Ionmhainn]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


I agree, Ion, and he is a major public, political figure it seems... [/*]

I'm for anything that keeps some attention on this case, gaelic.

With that, I'll say goodnight...it took me a while to get caught up tonight so my screen is looking all fuzzy, lol! :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Why would it be filed in OH if ML, may she RIP, died in NC? :confused: [/*]

Hi Jas!

Most likely the reason it was filed in Ohio is probably due to the fact that Maria's home of record is Ohio, not NC. I'm also certain that Maria's death certificate was filed with the state of NC since her death occurred here and any copies requested by her family will be of course sent to them in Ohio.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Hey, Nuttin!

So it was filed in OH for certain?:confused:

Now that's a shocker to me.

There is no such thing as "home of record" for a death certificate. It happens where the person dies.

For sure they would send her parents a copy, but the filing in OH thing is what has me totally :shrug: [/*]

No I didn't say her death certificate contained her home of record, I was referring to Maria's home of record with the USMC and that's most likely why any filing done by her fidicuary(sp?) (executor/administrator) was done in Ohio.

Her death occurred in Jacksonville, NC so her death certificate has/is filed with the Onslow County Register of Deeds (most likely if I went to the courthouse, I could see her death certificate). Her home of record would not matter since her death happened here, not Ohio.

I hope I explained myself better. And if I didn't I think I better go to bed so I will be able to better communicate tomorrow. :seeya:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Are you a state govt? :D

From your post above:
........
Suing Govt is tied to self-insurance, actions/intentions of the Govt agent(cies) == For Example, The Immigrant beaten & assaulted by NYPD (Abneir sp??) The Duke LaCrosse Players, or All Wrongfully Convicted that get paid for each year of confinement
......

Abner Louima, yes. And the Duke LAX players. The 9/11 widows. Every person wrongfully convicted, etc, etc. [/*]

Darryl Hunt come immediately to my mind. He was wrongfully convicted, spent many years in prison and the state of NC is now paying him over $300,000 in compensation.


JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


You are so right, dave. And good evening to you.

http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/Courses/study_aids/adlaw/702.htm

The Federal Administrative Procedure Act, for example, makes it possible to sue the "United States" in order to challenge a decision made by a government agency. In Al Odah, the detainees sued Bush, Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, and a few others—and then they threw in the U.S. on the basis of the Administrative Procedure Act.


5 U.S.C.

§ 702. Right of review

A person suffering legal wrong because of agency action, or adversely affected or aggrieved by agency action within the meaning of a relevant statute, is entitled to judicial review thereof. An action in a court of the United States seeking relief other than money damages and stating a claim that an agency or an officer or employee thereof acted or failed to act in an official capacity or under color of legal authority shall not be dismissed nor relief therein be denied on the ground that it is against the United States or that the United States is an indispensable party. The United States may be named as a defendant in any such action, and a judgment or decree may be entered against the United States: Provided, That any mandatory or injunctive decree shall specify the Federal officer or officers (by name or by title), and their successors in office, personally responsible for compliance. Nothing herein (1) affects other limitations on judicial review or the power or duty of the court to dismiss any action or deny relief on any other appropriate legal or equitable ground; or (2) confers authority to grant relief if any other statute that grants consent to suit expressly or impliedly forbids the relief which is sought. [/*]

Did the defendants win that lawsuit?

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by dave sargent



Are you asking for Links to Parties that have successfully sued the Govt tia??? [/*]

sure, why not...

edited to add, and also successful lawsuits against the military.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by dave sargent


Odd How that isnt brought up as an issue until now. So Far verifying~~ due date, confirming 12/26 prenatal care visit, 2cm dialated, May WellWoman check, UVA Counseling, "Counseling" for Little- Brother-Killed-By-Accidentally-Thrown Lamp "story", Vision DX ~~ has been subjectively applied/accepted moo.

Please let CL be caught SOON. So Justice == and Curiousity== may be served in some meaningful way moo [/*]

ML did not attend her 12/26 OB visit.. despite MC claims otherwise early on..

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


That're just really not practical since there are millions of lawsuits. If you are interested, perhaps you could search for them? :confused:

Also, because it's just so off topic. [/*]

I am not sure it is so off topic.. since apparently that is what it looks like ML's family is pursuing.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


That're just really not practical since there are millions of lawsuits. If you are interested, perhaps you could search for them? :confused:

Also, because it's just so off topic. [/*]

Millions of lawsuits against the military? Interesting.. could you list a few hundred thousand of them? TIA.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Well, as there are literally millions of lawsuits against local, state and federal govt, that is just neither here nor there nor practical.

Here is a good link to start with, though:

http://www.aclu.org/ [/*]

We are talking about suing either the federal gov't or the military.. not what you posted.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


:shrug:

Military? Did you not ask to links to a list of parties who have sued govts? Or the federal govt?

This is getting too o/t, so I shall say no more on the topic. But, yes, millions.

The ACLU is a great place to start your research. [/*]

See my post above.. and no, this is not off-topic. ML's family is apparently pursuing some sort of legal action against the MC.

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Jas.S


No, actually, totally on point. It's what the ACLU does, you know.

From the link:

The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:

Your First Amendment rights - freedom of speech, association and assembly; freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.

Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.

Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.

Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs. [/*]

I know what the ACLU is I am ably represented by them. However, I am waiting on your links to the millions of suits against the federal gov't and/or the US military. TIA.

[wandering]

Originally posted by hinman
well that darn law needs to be changed. They can basically do what ever they want with no consequences. That is scary. [/*]If you're employed by the government, or you're in the military, you can't sue them. But, if you are an ordinary person not connected to those entities, you can sue them.

How about those wrongly incarcerated people who are set free? They sue.

If you get injured on a public sidewalk, you can sue the government. If a government vehicle damages you or your vehicle/property, you can sue.

Of course they can sue.

[Charlotte]

The MC dropped the ball when it came to how they handled Maria's rape claim, then went into full CYA mode when her body was found in Laurean's backyard, imo.

I don't know whether her family has litigation in mind, or just making sure that the MC is held publicly and fully accountable for its role in the entire saga.

Either way, I agree with them. The MC's role in all this needs to be examined (by someone other than the MC). Whatever the truth is, it needs to be determined and verified to the fullest extent possible.
Let the chips fall where they may.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Charlotte
The MC dropped the ball when it came to how they handled Maria's rape claim, then went into full CYA mode when her body was found in Laurean's backyard, imo.

I don't know whether her family has litigation in mind, or just making sure that the MC is held publicly and fully accountable for its role in the entire saga.

Either way, I agree with them. The MC's role in all this needs to be examined (by someone other than the MC). Whatever the truth is, it needs to be determined and verified to the fullest extent possible.
Let the chips fall where they may. [/*]

Can you explain where the USMC dropped the ball?

TIA.