Monday - 03/10/08 - a.m.

[henry]

good morning . . . well, we've finally hit the big six oh today (for those sans coffee, that means 60 days). & i learned a new word last nite . . . a-sparkin - southern talk for dating, running around with. sorry, no link - pm from AB. in learning new words, here's a link that may keep you busy as a bee if a troll comes in (courtesy of gvs blogwire) :
http://www.freerice.com/index.php

also bkwits posted the following link yesterday . . . although i knew this, it made me wonder how this whole fiasco could have been averted.

He said civilian authorities had not spoken to Corporal Laurean, despite the disappearance, because his lawyer declined to make him available.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11cnd-marine.html?ex=1357707600&en=be1269984a12bf6f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

is this something common that lawyers do . . . is it ethical . . .

[henry]

regarding the "new" questions for captain sutherland:

. . . is it permissible to pm nuttintodo with question(s) that one does not want to openly post? (crap . . . please don't make me explain this one!!!!)

. . . i will defer to nuttintodo's work/social schedule as to when the question board will be shut down as it does take significant time to group/rephrase (i'm assuming we're giving nuttintodo some literary license here) . . . but my suggestion would be to keep it open at least until this friday and then request c/w to close it . . . at nuttintodo's request. perhaps nuttintodo could then be the first post of a designated day of all proposed final questions and any further refinements/finetuning be posted that day.

i'll leave my flack jacket off until i see the responses :chicken:

[crymeariver2006]

Fascinating questions! Every time I read one, I think of another question - but mostly see that someone else was thinking the same thing!

Hopefully we'll get some news today!

:)

[caejde]

Good morning everyone! Have to finish reading last nights thread. So, I'm off to do that. I hope for something new everyday...but sadly there isn't anything.

[strick10]

:seeya: Morning All! Another day and not a word regarding CAL,,,,grrrrr.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10
:seeya: Morning All! Another day and not a word regarding CAL,,,,grrrrr. [/*]

Hey Strick! Good to see ya...haven't seen ya in a while!

[Kel65]

Do we know for a fact how many people are in Cesar's immediate family? I'm just wondering if there is a brother?

I understand that Cesar's truck was registered to a Salvador Laurean on Gum Branch Road in Jacksonville. His father (Salvador) could have put the truck in his name. Cesar being so young, probably didn't have much credit and this may have been a way for him to get the truck. That is a lot vehicle (cost wise) for a young junior enlisted Marine. The address on Gum Branch Road may have been for a residence that Cesar occupied at the time he (or I should probably say his father) purchased the vehicle.

JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by caejde


Hey Strick! Good to see ya...haven't seen ya in a while! [/*]

Hey caejde! Glad you made it back from your weekend adventure safely. Been on the board off and on, there's this thing called work that's been calling frequently as of late. I've been searching the mexican websites this a.m. looking for any updates regarding CAL and seems like there are no updates.

[caejde]

Originally posted by strick10


Hey caejde! Glad you made it back from your weekend adventure safely. Been on the board off and on, there's this thing called work that's been calling frequently as of late. I've been searching the mexican websites this a.m. looking for any updates regarding CAL and seems like there are no updates. [/*]

Yea we made it back. I don't work...I'm a stay at home mom which is enough work in itself though!

I just don't know what to make of no sighting of Caesar. But like my husband has reminded me...look at Eric Rudolph.

[caejde]

Could the old saying "No news is good news" apply here?

[Kel65]

I suspect Cesar has some plastic surgery done, as well as tattoo removal/alteration. If this is accurate, all the more difficult to find the needle in the haystack. Speculation on my part and JMO.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Kel65
I suspect Cesar has some plastic surgery done, as well as tattoo removal/alteration. If this is accurate, all the more difficult to find the needle in the haystack. Speculation on my part and JMO. [/*]

Tatoo removal takes several treatments over a period of several weeks...and is rather costly. Same goes for plastic surgery.

[Kel65]

If his family in Mexico has $$$ they could have paid for both. I bet you can get some pretty shoddy work done cheap in the underground. JMO

Never thought about the Sharpie route, but that is feasible.

[caejde]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Yesp, wasn't he an accomplished "survivalist" tho and that helped him (along with some of the sympathertic publics help) alot. Wonder how much marine training in survival he remembers. [/*]

I don't really know what Rudolph's background was. As for Cesar...they dont' really teach you survival...not as thorough if he were a grunt or recon etc. He has basic knowledge.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65
If his family in Mexico has $$$ they could have paid for both. I bet you can get some pretty shoddy work done cheap in the underground. JMO

Never thought about the Sharpie route, but that is feasible. [/*]

I kinda think the Sharpie route would work for him at least for the meantime.

[henry]

Originally posted by Coldwater


PM nuttintodo and ask her advice. [/*]

thank you c/w - pm sent :patriot:

[Kel65]

Probably some good pancake type foundation make up could hide them too.

Moles are probably gone too. He could have cut them off himself.

JMO

[caejde]

Originally posted by Kel65
Probably some good pancake type foundation make up could hide them too.

Moles are probably gone too. He could have cut them off himself.

JMO [/*]

It would have to be darn good foundation. I experimented and used my regular foundation to try to cover my tatoo up...didn't work. It covered it but could still be seen. But you could tell that it was a good size amount as well.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
[/*]

AB - are you okay? it's been over 24 hrs to recover :confused: . . . did you mean to say something?

[henry]

Originally posted by Kel65
Probably some good pancake type foundation make up could hide them too.

Moles are probably gone too. He could have cut them off himself.

JMO [/*]

the official (?) myspace mfl tribute has a good wanted poster - scroll down & on the right
http://www.myspace.com/mflmemorial

[Kel65]

I wonder what the makeup artists in Hollywood do to cover tattoos for people like A. Jolie who have them, but you don't notice them when they play a part in a movie? I suppose they could be removed through film editing of some sort?

This is one of the reasons that I don't have a tattoo. Too permanent for me. I'm so fickle. I'd like it one day and not the next.

[henry]

Originally posted by caejde


It would have to be darn good foundation. I experimented and used my regular foundation to try to cover my tatoo up...didn't work. It covered it but could still be seen. But you could tell that it was a good size amount as well. [/*]

wonder if he knows about this - my niece uses it for a dog bite scar on her face . . . it also lists covering up tatoos and which product to use . . . so i guess it is possible, but i like the permanent marker better - and if he has a tan by now, it will be less noticeable . . . jmo
http://www.dermablend.com/ProductsBySkinCondition.aspx

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Wonder if Michael Jackson is a loyal customer?:shrug: [/*]

:D and couldn't you have found a cheaper egg . . . not that nuttintodo isn't worth it!

[Kel65]

I might have to invest in some of that foundation. This getting old stuff is for the birds.

[Kel65]

It has been a while since I had one removed. If I remember correctly it was pretty much a razor blade they used to remove it. Of course, they had the area numbed, so I really didn't feel anything. I was told to stay out of the sun, immediately after it was removed to help prevent scaring and that the best time of year to do it was in winter. I'm sure foundation could cover some of the scaring it there was any.

I'd think, enough tequila and a razor blade would do the trick. JMO

[strick10]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Maybe hes joined up with some revolutionary drug cartel as a mercernary. Don't they have some conflicts going on down there big-time?

ETA: Parlayed his fugitive status and now his hx as a murderer into something lucrative and protective for him while hes on the run? [/*]

Hi AB. Yes Mexico has some very ugly and large drug cartel conflicts happening. IMO think his family is helping him out though.

[henry]

:patriot: question please . . . is it unusual for one's military id name to be one's middle & last name?
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5890539

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Kel65
I wonder what the makeup artists in Hollywood do to cover tattoos for people like A. Jolie who have them, but you don't notice them when they play a part in a movie? I suppose they could be removed through film editing of some sort?

This is one of the reasons that I don't have a tattoo. Too permanent for me. I'm so fickle. I'd like it one day and not the next. [/*]

I can ask my LA grdaughter who went to school for that and did some free work. She loved it but couldn't get paying work so now is back in school to be a CPA (the family bus.)

[Kel65]

I believe his family is helping him out too. He probably is lying low and not out in public much, if at all. JMO

If he is being hidden by the family, I wonder how much of the family knows that he is hidden and where. I hope a lot of them know, becuase the more that know the more likely that the someone will eventually blab to someone, especially if there is drinking involved. We can only hope!

[bkwits]

:seeya:

Mornin' all

Day 60 of the hunt for Laurean:eek:

Day 5 of my flu. I think I'm getting better. My family left Muddy the Choc. lab to take care of me. ;)

[Kel65]

As far as military id, I believe it has to contain your legal first and last name. How that works for hispanics, I don't know since they seems to have a multitude of last names.

My military id has my first name, middle initial, last name.

[caejde]

Originally posted by henry
:patriot: question please . . . is it unusual for one's military id name to be one's middle & last name?
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5890539 [/*]

For me, my ID was last name, first name, middle initial. For those that hyphenate or have multiple...I'm not sure.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits
*snip*
Day 5 of my flu. I think I'm getting better. My family left Muddy the Choc. lab to take care of me. ;) [/*]

Is that in case you need LAB work?

<groan>

:D

[Kel65]

Clarification, my military id has my last name, first name, middle initial. My signature on the card has first name, middle initial, last name.

[nuttintodo]

In regards to the questions being submitted to Capt. Sutherland, I'll be submitting them to him this Thursday, March 13th.

I will begin to compile all the questions on Wednesday, combine all double questions, etc. Before I actually submit them I will bring all the questions here so everyone will have the opportunity to make sure they are worded correctly and the questions are exactly what you would like for Sutherland to answer.

As a reminder: Please be aware he has stated that he may not be able to answer any or all of them but hopefully he can at least answer some of them.

I will then pm CW and ask her to lock the thread containing the questions.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits
:seeya:

Mornin' all

Day 60 of the hunt for Laurean:eek:

Day 5 of my flu. I think I'm getting better. My family left Muddy the Choc. lab to take care of me. <had to steal this one> [/*]

Have you been taking the Tamiflu? I am glad to hear you are doing better. The flu is something terrible!

I'm feeling much better and this pneumonia is finally getting better!

:rose: for you bkwits.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by henry
good morning . . . well, we've finally hit the big six oh today (for those sans coffee, that means 60 days). & i learned a new word last nite . . . a-sparkin - southern talk for dating, running around with. sorry, no link - pm from AB. in learning new words, here's a link that may keep you busy as a bee if a troll comes in (courtesy of gvs blogwire) :
http://www.freerice.com/index.php

also bkwits posted the following link yesterday . . . although i knew this, it made me wonder how this whole fiasco could have been averted.

He said civilian authorities had not spoken to Corporal Laurean, despite the disappearance, because his lawyer declined to make him available.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11cnd-marine.html?ex=1357707600&en=be1269984a12bf6f&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

is this something common that lawyers do . . . is it ethical . . . [/*]

Mornin' henry,

First I want to thank you for the rice game. I love it.

Next, I want to maybe add a word you may not have heard before along the same line as sparking, and that is "shivaree"
both of these words can be found at

http://dictionary.reference.com/

As to your question about the defense lawyer, it is the defense atty's job to keep his client from answering any questions that may put the defendant in legal jeopardy. IOW, the lawyer must have known that Cesar was in deep doodoo. IMO

[caejde]

If Mark Raynor-who Cesar went to on that Thursday-knew that he was leaving the country, doesn't he have to turn that over being he is an officer of the court? Or is he bound by client/attorney privilige? What about ethics?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Is that in case you need LAB work?

<groan>

:D [/*]

He heard you here he comes for a treat.:biggrin:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
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Originally posted by Kel65
Probably some good pancake type foundation make up could hide them too.

Moles are probably gone too. He could have cut them off himself.

JMO [/*]E


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Ouch- removing your own moles has got to be painful and rather bloody. Would leave a scar instead of a mole. Ick. jmo [/*]IMO

Exactly what I was thinking. I have several moles. One prominent one on my collarbone that has been scraped. Just that was bloody and painful. Moles have to be removed by plastic surgery, I think.
Can laser do it now?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Have you been taking the Tamiflu? I am glad to hear you are doing better. The flu is something terrible!

I'm feeling much better and this pneumonia is finally getting better!

:rose: for you bkwits. [/*]

No, I am a dope. I kept telling myself. It was a bad cold. me hammer

[Maka]

Originally posted by caejde
If Mark Raynor-who Cesar went to on that Thursday-knew that he was leaving the country, doesn't he have to turn that over being he is an officer of the court? Or is he bound by client/attorney privilige? What about ethics? [/*]


Client-Lawyer Relationship

1.6 (*) (2)


http://www.ncbar.com/rules/rpcsearch.asp

(*) = the letter after a

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65
Clarification, my military id has my last name, first name, middle initial. My signature on the card has first name, middle initial, last name. [/*]

Hey kel. Were you the one that questioned the name Gudino that was possibly being used by CAL?

[Kel65]

My moles were not removed by plastic surgeons. They were taken off my by a general practioner at Bethesda Naval Hospital. The person did a great job.

I guess it probably depends on the type of mole, how deep etc. . .

Maybe Cesar got some kind of Mexican Underground plastic surgery deal? Change your face, remove some moles etc. all for one price. Speculation here of course.

All I know, is if I was a fugitive, I would be doing everything I could to permanently alter my appearance. Didn't some of the Nazis that fled to South American undergo plastic surgery to avoid being recognized.


JMO and theories.

[caejde]

Originally posted by Maka



Client-Lawyer Relationship

1.6 (*) (2)


http://www.ncbar.com/rules/rpcsearch.asp

(*) = the letter after a [/*]

So if he would have told the lawyer he was leaving the country, the lawyer would have had to say something? Am I reading that correctly?

Thanks for the link!

[Kel65]

Yes Strick. I was questioning the name Gudino. Do you have any insight?

[CANDYKISSES]

What are you basing the mole removal on? :confused:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Kel65
Yes Strick. I was questioning the name Gudino. Do you have any insight? [/*]

I found a Carlos Laurean in Hanford CA who's listed as being related to a Gladys Gudino/Gladys Laurean. Perhaps a relative of CALs that married a Gudino?

[bkwits]

Originally posted by caejde
If Mark Raynor-who Cesar went to on that Thursday-knew that he was leaving the country, doesn't he have to turn that over being he is an officer of the court? Or is he bound by client/attorney privilige? What about ethics? [/*]

Cesar prob didn't tell him. Cesar always had that option in the back of his mind if he got in big trouble for anything, IMO.

If CL mentioned it, I don't know if the atty would have to turn it over before Cesar was wanted or charged with anything. I don't think he was at that point. IMO

[Kel65]

Yes, pure speculation on Cesar perhaps altering his appearance to avoid capture. Mole removal being on step. He had IIRC a mole on his face.

[nuttintodo]

IIRC Mark Raynor said he wasn't aware that CAL was going to run.

Now I've not seen anything in regards to Paul Castle and/or Ed Bailey stating anything about CAL, publicly that is.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


pure and complete speculation. [/*]

So it's not being reported anywhere that he altered his face, correct? :shrug:

I was just trying to figure out where that came from. TYVM. :cool:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
IIRC Mark Raynor said he wasn't aware that CAL was going to run.

Now I've not seen anything in regards to Paul Castle and/or Ed Bailey stating anything about CAL, publicly that is. [/*]

It seems Cesar just by hanppenstance hit the jackpot for becoming scarce IMO.

It's really starting to make me wonder if they really have any decent leads or not. Realistically, he could be anywhere at this point.

:( jmo

[Kel65]

No, it hasn't been reported that he has altered his appearance. Two of my questions to Sutherland are based on altered appearance. I am tyring to get a feel for how seriously LE is looking for Cesar and would hope that they are not only looking at pure physical characteristics related to Cesar prior to his fleeing. I would hope profilers and detectives are more sophisticated than that . . .

[Regina.Lampert]

A beard would more then cover any moles on his face. I think the tats are more problematic for him.

[Kel65]

It would be so cool to have a profiler on this message board. I find that stuff fascinating.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


BUT NUTTIN if they HAD been told by Cesar he planned to flee, what could they/ should they do? Stand by and let him go? [/*]

I'm no lawyer but personally I feel that Raynor could have dropped a dime on CAL, ifhe had known but no one outside of Mark Raynor knows exactly what he knew prior to 1/11/08. As I have stated before we don't know what CAL told Raynor during their 1/10/08 meeting in which it's alleged that Raynor told CAL he was looking at the DP.

Then we have lawyers who may know their clients will blow this popscicle stand and never utter a word by relying on the attorney-client privilege.

JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
A beard would more then cover any moles on his face. I think the tats are more problematic for him. [/*]

So do I.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
A beard would more then cover any moles on his face. I think the tats are more problematic for him. [/*]

Yes Scamp, those tats are definitely more probematic for the ever elusive CAL.

[Maka]

Originally posted by caejde


So if he would have told the lawyer he was leaving the country, the lawyer would have had to say something? Am I reading that correctly?

Thanks for the link! [/*]

YW

Since the wording is "may" it's probably not legally necessary but.....most attys would personally feel it is a duty for CYA purposes because if they did not report it, they could be found complicit in the act of flight to avoid prosecution.

NC had a duty to report bill at one time, but I don't think it passed.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm no lawyer but personally I feel that Raynor could have dropped a dime on CAL, ifhe had known but no one outside of Mark Raynor knows exactly what he knew prior to 1/11/08. As I have stated before we don't know what CAL told Raynor during their 1/10/08 meeting in which it's alleged that Raynor told CAL he was looking at the DP.

Then we have lawyers who may know their clients will blow this popscicle stand and never utter a word by relying on the attorney-client privilege.

JMO [/*]


Why in the world would Cesar tell his atty that he was going to run to Mexico?
Presumably he hadn't even told Ctina at that point. IMO

[bkwits]

I'm suffering from brain fog, but what about that phone call at 2 am on the day they found the bodies. I can't remember who got it. But didn't some speculate it was an attorney?

[caejde]

Originally posted by bkwits



Why in the world would Cesar tell his atty that he was going to run to Mexico?
Presumably he hadn't even told Ctina at that point. IMO [/*]

I wasn't saying that he did tell. I was just wanting to know what would the attorney do/not do if Cesar told them. I mean, they told him he was facing the death penatly for just burying a body. So, he could have asked what if he fled...JMO though.

[henry]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
I feel BLAH think I will go back to bed or take a nap in my recliner. Later, peeps.:seeya: [/*]

oh, no - another one biting the dust . . . just practice your cancan kicks while in your recliner - might make you feel better in time for st. paddy's day.

my original question re: the attorney was the statement of the atty not making cesar available to sheriff brown for questioning - can they delay like that? iirc cesar had 2 (?) days off to visit attorneys? for crying out loud - enough time to squeeze in SB!!!

edit - thank you maka for the link

[caejde]

Originally posted by bkwits
I'm suffering from brain fog, but what about that phone call at 2 am on the day they found the bodies. I can't remember who got it. But didn't some speculate it was an attorney? [/*]

I think sheriff's office received it. I don't know if was attorney's or not. Never thought about him/them calling. I had thought it was either Daniel Durham. Or maybe Christina called and said "I know where Maria is" and hung up before actually saying anything more. Or perhaps the friend that Durham texted called.

[nuttintodo]

Kel, you asked the question about Dog the bounty hunter. It seems that he or his associates have in fact contacted OCSD in regards to this case. There was an article dated February 6th, written by Lindell Kay of JDNews in which he reports:

But $25,000 may be enough to get "Dog" to bite.

Representatives of popular bounty hunting TV personality Duane "Dog" Chapman and his bounty hunting service contacted Onslow County officials Monday to gather information about Laurean, according to law enforcement officials.

I am not on my regular computer so I can't provide the actual link. I have been over to JDNews.com and this particular story is no longer there.

But I can put a link to the forum that shows the story: http://forums.grunt.com/forums/p/40594/344076.aspx

Maybe LynnG can find the actual link for me and I would greatly appreciate it! (I won't be able to access my links until after Wednesday!)

So for now, I'll just put JMO.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits



Why in the world would Cesar tell his atty that he was going to run to Mexico?
Presumably he hadn't even told Ctina at that point. IMO [/*]

I didn't mean to imply that CAL actually told Mark Raynor anything about fleeing the area. I was merely speculating just like everyone else.

Sorry for any confusion bk!

jmo

[strick10]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Blanca Laurean who lives in the Jacksonville Area [/*]

You kidding me? Blanca lives in J'ville? I didn't know that.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Blanca Laurean who lives in the Jacksonville Area [/*]

Hmm Blanca lives here? Do you know where in Jacksonville? Wonder if CAL's mom and dad lived here at some point in time?

TIA

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Kel, you asked the question about Dog the bounty hunter. It seems that he or his associates have in fact contacted OCSD in regards to this case. There was an article dated February 6th, written by Lindell Kay of JDNews in which he reports:

But $25,000 may be enough to get "Dog" to bite.

Representatives of popular bounty hunting TV personality Duane "Dog" Chapman and his bounty hunting service contacted Onslow County officials Monday to gather information about Laurean, according to law enforcement officials.

I am not on my regular computer so I can't provide the actual link. I have been over to JDNews.com and this particular story is no longer there.

But I can put a link to the forum that shows the story: http://forums.grunt.com/forums/p/40594/344076.aspx

Maybe LynnG can find the actual link for me and I would greatly appreciate it! (I won't be able to access my links until after Wednesday!)

So for now, I'll just put JMO. [/*]

Here ya go, nuttin. It was the article on jdnews.com asking .... Bounty on Laurean too small?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54872___article.html/reward_information.html

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits



Why in the world would Cesar tell his atty that he was going to run to Mexico?
Presumably he hadn't even told Ctina at that point. IMO [/*]

If he told friends (or co-workers) that he was planning to flee to Mexico if it looked like he'd be convicted of rape, there's not a doubt in my mind that he told Christina too. IIRC, she also told LE that if he was in trouble he'd flee to Mexico.

(Although I personally think that was to mislead LE, but you know how I am...:D )

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by henry


oh, no - another one biting the dust . . . just practice your cancan kicks while in your recliner - might make you feel better in time for st. paddy's day.

my original question re: the attorney was the statement of the atty not making cesar available to sheriff brown for questioning - can they delay like that? iirc cesar had 2 (?) days off to visit attorneys? for crying out loud - enough time to squeeze in SB!!!

edit - thank you maka for the link [/*]

henry, IIRC, none of Laurean's attorneys made a statement that CAL wouldn't be available for questioning. My understanding from SB is that it was CAL who made the appointments to come in for questioning but then would call and either change the time/date and/or would cancel. And then finally CAL called OCSD and said that on the advice of his attorney's he would not be answering any questions (and I think this was on Thursday 1/10 that CAL made this call).

I do remember SB saying that during the Friday (1/11) presser, that Mark Raynor was standing there during SB's Thursday presser to see what SB said about CAL.

JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I didn't mean to imply that CAL actually told Mark Raynor anything about fleeing the area. I was merely speculating just like everyone else.

Sorry for any confusion bk!

jmo [/*]

Oh, I understood that it was speculating.

And I am speculating that Cesar never told any of his attorneys that he killed Maria. He told the same story he left in his notes.

The attorney told him that he could be tried for 1st degree murder if LE didn't believe him, and if a jury didn't believe his side, he could get the death penalty (worst case scenario). The attorney would have been told that Maria killed herself in L's house. So the attorney knew it was just a matter of a few days until LE got the SW and found blood in L's house. JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nelkirk


I am still looking into where, but she is supposed to be there somewhere.... [/*]

I thought Blanca Lauren was in Las Vegas.

[Kel65]

Nuttintodo - Thanks. I remember some info about Dog and the OCSD. I'm still interested in Sutherland's response to my inquiry. I am interested if they took Dog seriously and if any other bounty hunters have offered their exoertise in some manner.

[Kel65]

Christina has a sister in Jacksonville, but I was unaware about the possiblity of Blanca in Jacksonville. I wonder if Blanca is in the military too? Hmmm????

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


If he told friends (or co-workers) that he was planning to flee to Mexico if it looked like he'd be convicted of rape, there's not a doubt in my mind that he told Christina too. IIRC, she also told LE that if he was in trouble he'd flee to Mexico.

(Although I personally think that was to mislead LE, but you know how I am...:D ) [/*]

Oh yeah, cryme, I think Ctna knew but they may not have discussed it at that point. I, think he has been shipped to Mexcio in a rolled-up rug.:biggrin: :chicken:

[strick10]

Originally posted by Jas.S


There never is. No news about this case in Mexico just like there is no news about it here.

I have never seen any reporting of this story by the Mexican media, period. [/*]

The only thing I've seen were the initial reports where it was announced that CAL was wanted and even then it was not reported on for very long. Don't think Mexico is too interested in finding CAL which doesn't surprise me.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits


Oh, I understood that it was speculating.

And I am speculating that Cesar never told any of his attorneys that he killed Maria. He told the same story he left in his notes.

The attorney told him that he could be tried for 1st degree murder if LE didn't believe him, and if a jury didn't believe his side, he could get the death penalty (worst case scenario). The attorney would have been told that Maria killed herself in L's house. So the attorney knew it was just a matter of a few days until LE got the SW and found blood in L's house. JMO [/*]

True, very true. That's makes sense as to why Raynor would have said CAL could get the DP. A jury would have to be convinced that Maria did in fact commit suicide. And you're right, all the blood in his house and garage would have told a different story.

And as we know now, he didn't just bury Maria's body, he also had BBQ's over it.

JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Kel65
Christina has a sister in Jacksonville, but I was unaware about the possiblity of Blanca in Jacksonville. I wonder if Blanca is in the military too? Hmmm???? [/*]

There is a Blanca Laurean, age 24, in Las Vegas, listed in AOL white pages. Her phone is unlisted.

I found no Blanca Laurean in NC.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
Christina has a sister in Jacksonville, but I was unaware about the possiblity of Blanca in Jacksonville. I wonder if Blanca is in the military too? Hmmm???? [/*]

Correct, and Blanca's phone records had a Nevada area code IIRC.

Maybe there is confusion about which sister is in NC right now.

jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Correct, and Blanca's phone records had a Nevada area code IIRC.

Maybe there is confusion about which sister is in NC right now.

jmo [/*]

How many sisters does CAL have?

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Here ya go, nuttin. It was the article on jdnews.com asking .... Bounty on Laurean too small?

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54872___article.html/reward_information.html [/*]

Thank you Lynn!!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Jas.S


It came outta nowhere! :cool: [/*]

I've seen a lot come outta nowhere. :cool:

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by bkwits


Oh, I understood that it was speculating.

And I am speculating that Cesar never told any of his attorneys that he killed Maria. He told the same story he left in his notes.

The attorney told him that he could be tried for 1st degree murder if LE didn't believe him, and if a jury didn't believe his side, he could get the death penalty (worst case scenario). The attorney would have been told that Maria killed herself in L's house. So the attorney knew it was just a matter of a few days until LE got the SW and found blood in L's house. JMO [/*]

I agree BK.

I think he sang the same story that he left in his notes and his attorney advised him if the evidence showed otherwise he could get the DP if convicted.

I have been wondering if Christina in the end will become a non-indited co-conspirator like Rizzio is going to be in the OJ robbery trial.:shrug:

I think it is key to what may really happen once they find him and bring him back for arraignment. Until then they will make no judicial decisions knowing the trial isn't even to the stage of multiple hearings that must occur first before a trial date is even set.

imo

[bkwits]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


I agree BK.

I think he sang the same story that he left in his notes and his attorney advised him if the evidence showed otherwise he could get the DP if convicted.

I have been wondering if Christina in the end will become a non-indited co-conspirator like Rizzio is going to be in the OJ robbery trial.:shrug:

I think it is key to what may really happen once they find him and bring him back for arraignment. Until then they will make no judicial decisions knowing the trial isn't even to the stage of multiple hearings that must occur first before a trial date is even set.

imo [/*]

Yes, if were that lawyer and believed what Cesar said, I would have to advise the same thing (IANAL). I've seen it too many times here in IL where we have suspended the DP because so many on death row were found to be innocent. Also other murder cases I've followed here that were not DP cases, where the police or more often the DA was way too aggressive.

Now, I do think Cesar did it, although I can also change my mind when more facts come out. I'm just saying that people are convicted of crimes they didn't commit, and the attorney is well aware of that. IMO

ETA IANAL = I am not a lawyer

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Correct, and Blanca's phone records had a Nevada area code IIRC.

Maybe there is confusion about which sister is in NC right now.

jmo [/*]
The document I have saved to my computer regarding phone records indicate the following:
Cesar=(740) 361-XXX
Elvira=(702) 539-XXX
Christina=(702) 539-XXXX

It stuck me odd that Christina would have a cell number reflecting Las Vegas. It may have been an error on the part of who entered the info. :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I've seen a lot come outta nowhere. :cool: [/*]

Hey now, I pull my speculation from somewhere. :eek:

jmo:seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The document I have saved to my computer regarding phone records indicate the following:
Cesar=(740) 361-XXX
Elvira=(702) 539-XXX
Christina=(702) 539-XXXX

It stuck me odd that Christina would have a cell number reflecting Las Vegas. It may have been an error on the part of who entered the info. :shrug: [/*]

I thought Blanca's area code was on there too. I'm going to AMW and see if it's in there.:shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The document I have saved to my computer regarding phone records indicate the following:
Cesar=(740) 361-XXX
Elvira=(702) 539-XXX
Christina=(702) 539-XXXX

It stuck me odd that Christina would have a cell number reflecting Las Vegas. It may have been an error on the part of who entered the info. :shrug: [/*]

I agree Ivy, I think that's an error done unintentionally by the deputy/detective who prepared the SW.

JMO

[bkwits]

Originally posted by strick10


The only thing I've seen were the initial reports where it was announced that CAL was wanted and even then it was not reported on for very long. Don't think Mexico is too interested in finding CAL which doesn't surprise me. [/*]



ITA, if someone turns him in, or he gets caught for something else. I don't think he is too uncomfortable now. IMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits




ITA, if someone turns him in, or he gets caught for something else. I don't think he is too uncomfortable now. IMO [/*]

And the sad thing is that CAL most likely be caught for something else, much like Eric Rudolph. I feel sure no one in his family will turn him in as they are most likely convinced that his version of the story is correct, not what's being reported in the media. I say this especially after a female who answered the number for his parents said (paraphrasing) that we aren't hearing the whole story or something to that effect.

I wish there was someone in his family who would take that bold step of turning him in like the Unabomber's brother did.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Jas.S
gaelicpeas posted:




Well, the difference is that in the CHill case, the body was found and her purse and phone were missing, so that's the first thing police do. [/*]

Sorry for the O/T but Fox just reported that Eve's phone and laptop have been recovered. Hopefully they will catch her killer or killers very soon.

[Kel65]

I like to sometimes think of out of the box. I would not consider it pulling it from no where. I'm tired of rehashing the same ol' stuff.

Come on people be adults, no need to be ugly by trying to make something it isn't.

End of discussion on my part regarding this . . .

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Kel65
I like to sometimes think of out of the box. I would not consider it pulling it from no where. I'm tired of rehashing the same ol' stuff.

Come on people be adults, no need to be ugly by trying to make something it isn't.

End of discussion on my part regarding this . . . [/*]

I don't think anyone was trying to be ugly Kel, but I do think it's important to source things here. Otherwise, after the talk starts, suddenly the next page it's being perceived as a fact.

That's the reason I asked if there was a reported claim of something like that. You would be amazed how many pages it takes to stop outside the box that turns into fact. We've been there and done it many times.

Really, I had never heard of people removing their moles simply due to the same reason Annie stated above. There is a blood source involved IIRC.

Peace Kel65.:patriot:
jmo

ETA - Nuttintodo, I am totally stunned nobody has turned that guy in with the image being so clear. JMO tho.

[Maka]

Originally posted by IvySterling

The document I have saved to my computer regarding phone records indicate the following:
Cesar=(740) 361-XXX
Elvira=(702) 539-XXX
Christina=(702) 539-XXXX

It stuck me odd that Christina would have a cell number reflecting Las Vegas. It may have been an error on the part of who entered the info. :shrug: [/*]

They might be using a family unlimited minutes plan with no roaming charges and all that. Cl might have his own unlimited nationwide plan. Dunno.

:shrug:

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And the sad thing is that CAL most likely be caught for something else, much like Eric Rudolph. I feel sure no one in his family will turn him in as they are most likely convinced that his version of the story is correct, not what's being reported in the media. I say this especially after a female who answered the number for his parents said (paraphrasing) that we aren't hearing the whole story or something to that effect.

I wish there was someone in his family who would take that bold step of turning him in like the Unabomber's brother did.

JMO [/*]

I don't think the family, at least his close family, will turn him. Not a chance, IMO.

A close family friend was raised in the Mexican community in Chicago, (she has a Mex. mother but was born here). She said they are raised never to tell the police anything if they come asking questions or looking for someone. You tell them nothing.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Maka


They might be using a family unlimited minutes plan with no roaming charges and all that. Cl might have his own unlimited nationwide plan. Dunno.

:shrug: [/*]
I thought of the family plan Maka, my SIL has his entire family on one. What I thought odd was that it was listed as Christina's # and I would think it would have been Cesar's.

Who knows, not me :shrug:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by bkwits


Oh yeah, cryme, I think Ctna knew but they may not have discussed it at that point. I, think he has been shipped to Mexcio in a rolled-up rug.:biggrin: :chicken: [/*]

I'm being serious when I say that IMO Christina knew full well where he was going when he left that morning. (Or the night before).

Now what remains to be seen is whether or not the friends volunteered the Mexico destination first and then Christina, when asked, confirmed it; or whether Christina volunteered it first without knowing what he had told co-workers.

(And ya'll can laugh at the "rug theory" all you want, but one thing's for certain - Cesar has not been found yet. ;) )

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I'm no lawyer but personally I feel that Raynor could have dropped a dime on CAL, ifhe had known but no one outside of Mark Raynor knows exactly what he knew prior to 1/11/08. As I have stated before we don't know what CAL told Raynor during their 1/10/08 meeting in which it's alleged that Raynor told CAL he was looking at the DP.

Then we have lawyers who may know their clients will blow this popscicle stand and never utter a word by relying on the attorney-client privilege.

JMO [/*]
lol, listen to you!! This is a sure sign the power of the crime message boards has taken over....... :tongue:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I don't think anyone was trying to be ugly Kel, but I do think it's important to source things here. Otherwise, after the talk starts, suddenly the next page it's being perceived as a fact.

That's the reason I asked if there was a reported claim of something like that. You would be amazed how many pages it takes to stop outside the box that turns into fact. We've been there and done it many times.

Really, I had never heard of people removing their moles simply due to the same reason Annie stated above. There is a blood source involved IIRC.

Peace Kel65.:patriot:
jmo

ETA - Nuttintodo, I am totally stunned nobody has turned that guy in with the image being so clear. JMO tho. [/*]

Totally OT on the CHill case, but last night on our local news they were showing a woman (with blurred face) who has called police to say that he looks like her ex-boyfriend who was recently released from prison. Police are taking her very seriously.

[ktsc]

WOW! I haven't been around in a while and when I come back look at you guys! I think it is awesome that nuttintodo got to ask those questions. Kudos to you!:beer:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Totally OT on the CHill case, but last night on our local news they were showing a woman (with blurred face) who has called police to say that he looks like her ex-boyfriend who was recently released from prison. Police are taking her very seriously. [/*]

I don't laugh your possible theory on the rug off cryme. Especially with the amount of time that goes by. How many times have we heard, they were close, they were on his trail?

But NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL. I am very leery about whether they ever were on his trail myself. JMO tho.

I pray the CHILL case is solved fast. :(
jmo

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

lol, listen to you!! This is a sure sign the power of the crime message boards has taken over....... :tongue: [/*]

LOL Scamp! Evidently they have indeedy.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Totally OT on the CHill case, but last night on our local news they were showing a woman (with blurred face) who has called police to say that he looks like her ex-boyfriend who was recently released from prison. Police are taking her very seriously. [/*]

I hope if it is indeed this ex-boyfriend, he is soon found and brought in for questioning! I'm glad CHill PD is taking her serious.

And cryme, I won't discount your rug theory. For all we know he's in the county landfill over on Pony Farm Road.

How is the collection going for Wanda? :D

[Maka]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I thought of the family plan Maka, my SIL has his entire family on one. What I thought odd was that it was listed as Christina's # and I would think it would have been Cesar's.

Who knows, not me :shrug: [/*]

I wonder if he left his phone with CSL and if CSL had her phone with her. He may have taken either phone, one phone or none.

Listing the NV number as hers I guess could have been a mistake or maybe he put her name on the account after they got together. :shrug:

I wish he'd slip up and contact CSL.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Maka


I wonder if he left his phone with CSL and if CSL had her phone with her. He may have taken either phone, one phone or none.

Listing the NV number as hers I guess could have been a mistake or maybe he put her name on the account after they got together. :shrug:

I wish he'd slip up and contact CSL. [/*]
I'm thinking he could contact her via her sister's MySpace in PM messages...................just a thought :)

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


LOL Scamp! Evidently they have indeedy. [/*]
Well, as long as you haven't used the phrase "Bust a cap" yet, I guess there's some hope for ya................lol. ;)



O/T - The Gov of NY, Eliot Spritzer has stated that he has been involved with a prostitution ring, to speak any moment. Per the NY Times.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert

Well, as long as you haven't used the phrase "Bust a cap" yet, I guess there's some hope for ya................lol. ;)



O/T - The Gov of NY, Eliot Spritzer has stated that he has been involved with a prostitution ring, to speak any moment. Per the NY Times. [/*]

LOL Scamp, you won't catch me saying that!

I heard that and was like :eek: what in the world! And I heard he last made contact with the ring on 2/13/08 (according to Fox) so double :eek: !

[Maka]

Originally posted by IvySterling

I'm thinking he could contact her via her sister's MySpace in PM messages...................just a thought :) [/*]

I think that's a real possibility.
Even if OCSO has subpoenaed his MS account records for IPs and such, I'm surprised they haven't requested a new password and logged on his page to view his friends list and comments. Many, many times LE will do that (even if the suspect hasn't accessed it in forever), take screen captures and use that for possible leads. Maybe they don't even know about that MS page. hmmmm

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I'm being serious when I say that IMO Christina knew full well where he was going when he left that morning. (Or the night before).

Now what remains to be seen is whether or not the friends volunteered the Mexico destination first and then Christina, when asked, confirmed it; or whether Christina volunteered it first without knowing what he had told co-workers.

(And ya'll can laugh at the "rug theory" all you want, but one thing's for certain - Cesar has not been found yet. ;) ) [/*]

crymeariver, ITA! Can you just imagine Christina not asking or knowing where Cesar was going? I can't! I do not think she would not know exactly what he was about to do when he left that house the morning of the 11th of Jan.!

I certainly do not laugh at your rug theory because it would be a logical thing for a woman to place an area rug on a tile/slate floor. After all, they were redecorating! They painted the living room.........was it because there was blood on the wall? Where is the coffee table? AND where is the rug (if there was one)? LOL, this theory is just as logical as anyone elses!



:)

[caejde]

Originally posted by donna


crymeariver, ITA! Can you just imagine Christina not asking or knowing where Cesar was going? I can't! I do not think she would not know exactly what he was about to do when he left that house the morning of the 11th of Jan.!

I certainly do not laugh at your rug theory because it would be a logical thing for a woman to place an area rug on a tile/slate floor. After all, they were redecorating! They painted the living room.........was it because there was blood on the wall? Where is the coffee table? AND where is the rug (if there was one)? LOL, this theory is just as logical as anyone elses!



:) [/*]

I've never owned a coffee table since I've been on my own. When I lived at home there was one, but I haven't had one since. And when I had tiled floors, I didn't have a rug either...didn't want to buy one!

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


crymeariver, ITA! Can you just imagine Christina not asking or knowing where Cesar was going? I can't! I do not think she would not know exactly what he was about to do when he left that house the morning of the 11th of Jan.!

I certainly do not laugh at your rug theory because it would be a logical thing for a woman to place an area rug on a tile/slate floor. After all, they were redecorating! They painted the living room.........was it because there was blood on the wall? Where is the coffee table? AND where is the rug (if there was one)? LOL, this theory is just as logical as anyone elses!



:) [/*]

And don't forget they have a child and I'm sure they didn't want her falling directly on that tile floor (at least I wouldn't). I would think a rug would cushion her fall somewhat and I don't know about ya'll but in the winter time, a tile floor isn't all that warm to walk across without shoes/socks on.

But if Wanda had visited like she said she did, wonder why she didn't say anything about the rug being gone? Or perhaps she has but that information hasn't been released. Wanda has had so much to say and I can't figure out why she wouldn't have said anything publicly about the rug being gone or at least seeing it being toted out since she's the see all/be all/know all neighbor (and I say that in jest, not meaning to knock Wanda).

jmo

[caejde]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And don't forget they have a child and I'm sure they didn't want her falling directly on that tile floor (at least I wouldn't). I would think a rug would cushion her fall somewhat and I don't know about ya'll but in the winter time, a tile floor isn't all that warm to walk across without shoes/socks on.

But if Wanda had visited like she said she did, wonder why she didn't say anything about the rug being gone? Or perhaps she has but that information hasn't been released. Wanda has had so much to say and I can't figure out why she wouldn't have said anything publicly about the rug being gone or at least seeing it being toted out since she's the see all/be all/know all neighbor (and I say that in jest, not meaning to knock Wanda).

jmo [/*]

I'm not putting much faith on them having a rug just because of tiled floors and a child. That's where my son learned to crawl and walk. My house on base had the tiled floors and I didn't get a rug. Sure thought about it when he was learning to crawl and fell and hit his mouth and bit his lip pretty good though. As for the cold...I was in Hawaii so we didn't really have winter weather but yea it was cold--that's what socks or slippers are for though!;)

[donna]

Originally posted by caejde


I've never owned a coffee table since I've been on my own. When I lived at home there was one, but I haven't had one since. And when I had tiled floors, I didn't have a rug either...didn't want to buy one! [/*]

LOL, caejde! I guess because I am of the older generation I think of coffee table and rug!

I have rugs on my tile/slate floors! Christina may have had also. There is just too much we do not know yet.

I just cannot discount the rug theory!

:)

[caejde]

Originally posted by donna


LOL, caejde! I guess because I am of the older generation I think of coffee table and rug!

I have rugs on my tile/slate floors! Christina may have had also. There is just too much we do not know yet.

I just cannot discount the rug theory!

:) [/*]

I'm not discounting the rug theory either! There is no telling IMO! I am only a couple years older than Christina and haven't thought abouta coffee table. Though I have seen some nice ones...but we rent and need new furniture and I don't want to get new stuff just yet.

Edited to add: I forgot to put "not" up above..

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by Maka


I think that's a real possibility.
Even if OCSO has subpoenaed his MS account records for IPs and such, I'm surprised they haven't requested a new password and logged on his page to view his friends list and comments. Many, many times LE will do that (even if the suspect hasn't accessed it in forever), take screen captures and use that for possible leads. Maybe they don't even know about that MS page. hmmmm [/*]

Someone over at JDNews.com posted a comment to Sutherland about the his myspace page and IIRC Sutherland responded that they were aware of his page, but he didn't go into any detail as to say whether they had attempted to access the page or not.

JMO

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


And don't forget they have a child and I'm sure they didn't want her falling directly on that tile floor (at least I wouldn't). I would think a rug would cushion her fall somewhat and I don't know about ya'll but in the winter time, a tile floor isn't all that warm to walk across without shoes/socks on.

But if Wanda had visited like she said she did, wonder why she didn't say anything about the rug being gone? Or perhaps she has but that information hasn't been released. Wanda has had so much to say and I can't figure out why she wouldn't have said anything publicly about the rug being gone or at least seeing it being toted out since she's the see all/be all/know all neighbor (and I say that in jest, not meaning to knock Wanda).

jmo [/*]

:D ...I am not knocking Wanda either. She does strike me as one who might be nosey enough to take in every detail of her neighbors new paint job and even down to whether or not Christina had a rug in her living room!

Where is MW5, by the way? She can ask Wanda about the rug! I just bet she would too!

[donna]

Originally posted by caejde


I'm discounting the rug theory either! There is no telling IMO! I am only a couple years older than Christina and haven't thought abouta coffee table. Though I have seen some nice ones...but we rent and need new furniture and I don't want to get new stuff just yet. [/*]

:)

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna


:D ...I am not knocking Wanda either. She does strike me as one who might be nosey enough to take in every detail of her neighbors new paint job and even down to whether or not Christina had a rug in her living room!

Where is MW5, by the way? She can ask Wanda about the rug! I just bet she would too! [/*]

ITA about Wanda! She would notice EVERYTHING including whether the paint matched, etc.

And you better believe MW would ask Wanda about the rug! She wouldn't mince words either. ;)

Caejde, it must be a generation thing about rugs and tile floors---I would want a rug on my tiled floor even if I didn't have small children running around. It seems the older I get, the less I can handle the cold, especially where my feet are concerned. :biggrin:

jmo

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA about Wanda! She would notice EVERYTHING including whether the paint matched, etc.

And you better believe MW would ask Wanda about the rug! She wouldn't mince words either. ;)

Caejde, it must be a generation thing about rugs and tile floors---I would want a rug on my tiled floor even if I didn't have small children running around. It seems the older I get, the less I can handle the cold, especially where my feet are concerned. :biggrin:

jmo [/*]

:D ... Me too, but the warm sun of spring will be here soon!

[caejde]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


ITA about Wanda! She would notice EVERYTHING including whether the paint matched, etc.

And you better believe MW would ask Wanda about the rug! She wouldn't mince words either. ;)

Caejde, it must be a generation thing about rugs and tile floors---I would want a rug on my tiled floor even if I didn't have small children running around. It seems the older I get, the less I can handle the cold, especially where my feet are concerned. :biggrin:

jmo [/*]

LOL...could be a generational thing...I dont know. I know I've mentioned to my husband that if we ever have wood floors in our home I would want a nice rug. Maybe I just never got the rug because it was base housing and I didn't want to spend the money...just a temporary thing ya know.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by caejde


LOL...could be a generational thing...I dont know. I know I've mentioned to my husband that if we ever have wood floors in our home I would want a nice rug. Maybe I just never got the rug because it was base housing and I didn't want to spend the money...just a temporary thing ya know. [/*]

I dunno, but those formal dining chairs with the WHITE seat covers didn't seem like they would belong to someone as young as Christina and Cesar - especially with a toddler.....

Just sayin'..........

We didn't even own actual dining room furniture until we were in our 30's. Kitchen table & chairs, yes...formal dining room, no.

[hinman]

Hi everyone, I haven't posted much but been reading,. Thanks nuttin for submitting all the great questions.

[caejde]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


I dunno, but those formal dining chairs with the WHITE seat covers didn't seem like they would belong to someone as young as Christina and Cesar - especially with a toddler.....

Just sayin'..........

We didn't even own actual dining room furniture until we were in our 30's. Kitchen table & chairs, yes...formal dining room, no. [/*]

They could have been given those as a gift or bought them used...who knows Our dining table used to consist of my inlaws patio table and fold up chairs. But now it's wood.

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by hinman
Hi everyone, I haven't posted much but been reading,. Thanks nuttin for submitting all the great questions. [/*]

There will be some more questions submitted this week and if you have one please post it.

And glad to see you back. :seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
Hi everyone, I haven't posted much but been reading,. Thanks nuttin for submitting all the great questions. [/*]

:seeya: ... Hi, hinman!
You were missed!!!

[hinman]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


There will be some more questions submitted this week and if you have one please post it.

And glad to see you back. :seeya: [/*]Thanks, I will se what everyone elses wants to ask and go from there.

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


:seeya: ... Hi, hinman!
You were missed!!! [/*]Missed you donna. So did you ask any questions. I need to refresh my memory and see what I want to ask.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
Missed you donna. So did you ask any questions. I need to refresh my memory and see what I want to ask. [/*]

Thanks, hinman!
Yes, I had wanted to know if Christina was cleared as having any involvement in the COVERUP of Maria's murder. Some have said that if she were ever going to be charged, she would have been charged already. I continue to say that LE will leave their options open where Christina is concerned. They may not have all of their forensic evidence back yet, or something else could turn up. She has only (as you know) been classified as a 'cooperating witness'. I would like to know what Captain Sutherland's definition of 'cooperating witness'. It is, as another poster put it yesterday - A Loaded Term!

Wasn't it great of Captain Sutherland to answer those questions for us? Thanks to nuttintodo and Henry!!!!

:)

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


Thanks, hinman!
Yes, I had wanted to know if Christina was cleared as having any involvement in the COVERUP of Maria's murder. Some have said that if she were ever going to be charged, she would have been charged already. I continue to say that LE will leave their options open where Christina is concerned. They may not have all of their forensic evidence back yet, or something else could turn up. She has only (as you know) been classified as a 'cooperating witness'. I would like to know what Captain Sutherland's definition of 'cooperating witness'. It is, as another poster put it yesterday - A Loaded Term!

Wasn't it great of Captain Sutherland to answer those questions for us? Thanks to nuttintodo and Henry!!!!

:) [/*]I just love all the questions being asked. I forgot to thank Henry so thank you Henry. Did captain Sutherland ever answer what time the Christmas Party was. I can't remember I remember see the answer to dress code an alcohol.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
I just love all the questions being asked. I forgot to thank Henry so thank you Henry. Did captain Sutherland ever answer what time the Christmas Party was. I can't remember I remember see the answer to dress code an alcohol. [/*]

It was the same response!

[Savanna]

I drop by every once in a while to see if anything is new in this case. I guess not.
Sending the investigator questions is interesting. Do you think you will get any more information then the police have released to the public?

Thanks

[donna]

Originally posted by Savanna
I drop by every once in a while to see if anything is new in this case. I guess not.
Sending the investigator questions is interesting. Do you think you will get any more information then the police have released to the public?

Thanks [/*]

Savanna, Captain Sutherland says that he updates some of the press and whether or not they print it is up to them. Posing questions to Captain Sutherland is a way to know an answer to maybe something he has updated and wasn't printed!
:)

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Savanna
I drop by every once in a while to see if anything is new in this case. I guess not.
Sending the investigator questions is interesting. Do you think you will get any more information then the police have released to the public?

Thanks [/*]
In RS's reply he said:

Allow me to say as an introduction: We have completed hundreds of interviews. Sometimes, people that we interview have two separate recollections of the same details. (for example, I say the "bus" arrived at our bus stop at 8:15pm and you remember that it arrived at 8:30pm) We have to look at the whole picture, combined with physical evidence, to determine which witnesses' statements are the most accurate.

Also, remember that I can not release any new information that we have not already released.

[Savanna]

Thanks everyone. Makes sense. I will be reading those questions and answers.

:seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by donna


Savanna, Captain Sutherland says that he updates some of the press and whether or not they print it is up to them. Posing questions to Captain Sutherland is a way to know an answer to maybe something he has updated and wasn't printed!
:) [/*]

I know I am quoting my own post, (:rolleyes: ), but I am posting a link where Captain Sutherland made this statement. I do not know how to do the tinyurl. It is the second post from the top in the comment section after the article.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_55226__article.html/laurean_family.html

[donna]

Geez! Now it says 'article not found'. It is in the comment section of the on base memorial service for Maria! I had saved it. It is also in the link section of the board, tho!

Sorry!

[bkwits]

Originally posted by Jas.S


Yikes. That is painting with such a broad brush. :(

(Not to mention that for a Latino who is the US illegally not wanting to be involved with police or courts is understandable and very different from Mexicans living in Mexico) [/*]

They weren't illegal.

And it sure seems to be the same in Mexico
Cesar's family is not telling anything.
The cousin was hammer Into silence. IMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by bkwits


They weren't illegal.

And it sure seems to be the same in Mexico
Cesar's family is not telling anything.
The cousin was hammer Into silence. IMO [/*]

Don't forget the aunt who was acting indifferent when Mark Fuhrman interviewed her when he was in Mexico.

JMO

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by donna
Geez! Now it says 'article not found'. It is in the comment section of the on base memorial service for Maria! I had saved it. It is also in the link section of the board, tho!

Sorry! [/*]

I have also found that when JDNews archives an article the previous comments are no longer available either.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Don't forget the aunt who was acting indifferent when Mark Fuhrman interviewed her when he was in Mexico.

JMO [/*]
As much as I enjoy GVS, I never did understand sending MF, SW, and a camera crew down, neither of them speak Spanish.

I think sending someone who would have blended into that area would have been far more beneficial, and leave the camera crew/s at home for crying out loud.

[donna]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


I have also found that when JDNews archives an article the previous comments are no longer available either. [/*]

Sorry the comments are not available now. I had it saved in an email, so I can actually still read the comments!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


the aunt...who is reported to "have money"....(per reports- no link so JMO) [/*]
Yes, that's the one.

From viewing where she lives it is a nice place for that area. I think I read where she MAY own three Liquor Stores, not sure on that, so don't quote me.

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


Remember I was so sure Geraldo would blow into town speaking his best Antonio Bandaras acting like a badas$$ but he didn't show...:rolleyes: [/*]

:lol:

[donna]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


They should check her basements. And her liquor supply warehouses, or whatever. [/*]

Yes, they sure should! CAL is young and I think he would be in a busy city and not in a completely rural area. That is, if he is in Mexico.

CAL seems to have dropped off the face of the earth!

[crymeariver2006]

There is a reason why the media suddenly dropped this "cousin" and "aunt" like a bad habit, IMO.

;)

[bkwits]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Don't forget the aunt who was acting indifferent when Mark Fuhrman interviewed her when he was in Mexico.

JMO [/*]

That's the aunt pounding the cousin.
hammer

And remember the cousin contacted the media not LE.

[bkwits]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
There is a reason why the media suddenly dropped this "cousin" and "aunt" like a bad habit, IMO.

;) [/*]

What reason, I thought they refused to speak to the media, as Mark. F. said.

[donna]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
There is a reason why the media suddenly dropped this "cousin" and "aunt" like a bad habit, IMO.

;) [/*]

There certainly is!!!!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


They should check her basements. And her liquor supply warehouses, or whatever. [/*]
Only the Mexican authorities can/could do that and doubt they are putting any time trying to locate him IMO.

IF, he is down there, someone will give him up eventually, but doubt it will be a family member.

[donna]

I get so frustrated when there is no new information in this case. It might seem as if it is at a standstill, but the investigation is ongoing, IMO.

I keep wanting to wake up and hear that CAL has been captured!
What if he really IS dead?

[donna]

Does anyone know if Christina and CAL's sofa is fabric? I cannot tell from the pics!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by AnnieBean


ANd seriously, Mexicans are master tunnel makers, he could literally go underground...they had mole holes in Nam I bet they have them in places in Mexico esp if there is alot of drug running.
JMo of course. [/*]
There are several they have found coming from TJ and other places in Baja into the US.

I doubt very much that CAL has any connections with big time Drug Lords down there.

[henry]

Originally posted by donna


There certainly is!!!! [/*]

can someone clue me in? tia

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by donna
Does anyone know if Christina and CAL's sofa is fabric? I cannot tell from the pics! [/*]
Doesn't look like fabric to me, but it may be.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

In RS's reply he said:

Allow me to say as an introduction: We have completed hundreds of interviews. Sometimes, people that we interview have two separate recollections of the same details. (for example, I say the "bus" arrived at our bus stop at 8:15pm and you remember that it arrived at 8:30pm) We have to look at the whole picture, combined with physical evidence, to determine which witnesses' statements are the most accurate.

Also, remember that I can not release any new information that we have not already released. [/*]

Was that posted before? I don't recall seeing that. (RS's intro paragraph).

[donna]

Originally posted by henry


can someone clue me in? tia [/*]

Well, I think they were not really CAL's relatives. That is just my opinion, tho.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by donna


Sorry the comments are not available now. I had it saved in an email, so I can actually still read the comments! [/*]

donna, the link is still available and Capt. Sutherland's comments are there. Just scroll down to his entry, it's the 3rd one down.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_55226___article.html/laurean_family.html

[donna]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Doesn't look like fabric to me, but it may be. [/*]

Thank you, Ivy!
I thought it may be leather. Would blood wipe off of leather cleanly?

[donna]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


donna, the link is still available and Capt. Sutherland's comments are there. Just scroll down to his entry, it's the 3rd one down.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_55226___article.html/laurean_family.html [/*]

Thank you SO MUCH, Lynn Gweeny!

Our questions being submitted to Captain Sutherland is definately a good thing. He may have commented on something that was not printed.

[BarbraAllen]

Hi, I have tried to read everything I can about this case from the start, and finally decided to register and post. Great work by the posters on this forum, very impressive research and the discussions are so interesting to read.

I'm not sure yet what my theory is, but the one about the rug is not out of the realm of possibility, imo!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Was that posted before? I don't recall seeing that. (RS's intro paragraph). [/*]
Hmm, well you must have missed it!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Hmm, well you must have missed it! [/*]

So it was posted and I missed it. That's all I asked. TY.

[donna]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Hi, I have tried to read everything I can about this case from the start, and finally decided to register and post. Great work by the posters on this forum, very impressive research and the discussions are so interesting to read.

I'm not sure yet what my theory is, but the one about the rug is not out of the realm of possibility, imo! [/*]

Welcome!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by WomanWithout
Does anyone think the meeting between Cesar and Maria on the day she died planned by them? [/*]

I certainly think it's possible.

Evening, everyone. :seeya:

[donna]

Originally posted by WomanWithout
Does anyone think the meeting between Cesar and Maria on the day she died planned by them? [/*]

Do you? If so, why?

[henry]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Hi, I have tried to read everything I can about this case from the start, and finally decided to register and post. Great work by the posters on this forum, very impressive research and the discussions are so interesting to read.

I'm not sure yet what my theory is, but the one about the rug is not out of the realm of possibility, imo! [/*]

welcome . . . and now you're officially a best friend of crymeariver's (i'm sure a witty welcome will come) . . . what do you think about maria's glasses :D

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by WomanWithout
Does anyone think the meeting between Cesar and Maria on the day she died planned by them? [/*]

There are many theories, opinions, scenarios here among us. While news is slow you should read some of ours.

I think the posters here who've followed this case have posted some great "stuff".

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I certainly think it's possible.

Evening, everyone. :seeya: [/*]

I think so too. I see that as much more plausible than he kidnapped her or "tricked" her to come over there.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by donna


Well, I think they were not really CAL's relatives. That is just my opinion, tho. [/*]

Mine too.

Especially after the very first video on CNN has mysteriously disappeared. The one where the lady that interviewed the "cousin" had to admit to "Tony" (the anchor in Atlanta) that the cousin didn't call LE, he called CNN.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.......

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I certainly think it's possible.

Evening, everyone. :seeya: [/*]
Evening Cardinal (not evening here yet, but will be before I know it)

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by henry


welcome . . . and now you're officially a best friend of crymeariver's (i'm sure a witty welcome will come) . . . what do you think about maria's glasses :D [/*]

:D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


I think so too. I see that as much more plausible than he kidnapped her or "tricked" her to come over there. [/*]

I can't see a kidnapping, and I can't see her "tricked" into going to his home if she were afraid of him.

[donna]

Originally posted by WomanWithout



I think so, but I am not sure why yet. [/*]

Thanks for your reply!

I do also. However, I think that the contact was initiated by Cesar, tho. And I am not sure why either!

:)

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


:D [/*]

Cryme, what is the gist of your rug theory? I gather you think for sure there was a rug in the living room, and Maria was wrapped up in it? Sorry if I missed the theory, but I see posters mention it a lot.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen
Hi, I have tried to read everything I can about this case from the start, and finally decided to register and post. Great work by the posters on this forum, very impressive research and the discussions are so interesting to read.

I'm not sure yet what my theory is, but the one about the rug is not out of the realm of possibility, imo! [/*]

As a card carrying member of the "rug theorists", I want to welcome you!

Post early, post often!

:seeya:

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Cryme, what is the gist of your rug theory? I gather you think for sure there was a rug in the living room, and Maria was wrapped up in it? Sorry if I missed the theory, but I see posters mention it a lot. [/*]

No, not Maria. However I do believe that Christina, once Maria was out of their lives, took care of the "wandering husband". IOW, my theory is that Christina murdered both Maria and Cesar.

The rug is where I theorized she placed his body and had someone (or herself the night before) take it to the landfill.

;)

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by henry


welcome . . . and now you're officially a best friend of crymeariver's (i'm sure a witty welcome will come) . . . what do you think about maria's glasses :D [/*]

That would work, I like the song, too.

Maria's glasses? I know from my sister's pregnancy that she had trouble with her contacts, and she talked about hearing the same thing from friends. So that makes me think maybe she wore them frequently the last few months. And she was wearing them at the ATM, correct? Offhand my feeling would be that the glasses came off during the final confrontation and probably were thrown away by Cesar or Christina.

I don't have a firm opinion one way or another yet about Christina's involvement but I would have difficulty believing Cesar was innocent and just taking the rap for something Christina did.

I can't imagine what all must have gone on in that house after December 14th. But I saw a photo that showed a Christmas tree by the curb, a real one. For some reason that particular detail really gives me chills. I can't imagine buying and decorating a tree knowing that a woman and her baby lay buried in my back yard.

And thank you for the welcome!

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


No, not Maria. However I do believe that Christina, once Maria was out of their lives, took care of the "wandering husband". IOW, my theory is that Christina murdered both Maria and Cesar.

The rug is where I theorized she placed his body and had someone (or herself the night before) take it to the landfill.

;) [/*]

Holy cow! :eek: Nah.....sorry, I can't buy that one. :o A bit too far-fetched for me.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Holy cow! :eek: Nah.....sorry, I can't buy that one. :o A bit too far-fetched for me. [/*]

Bizarre twists and turns. :D

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


As a card carrying member of the "rug theorists", I want to welcome you!

Post early, post often!

:seeya: [/*]

Thank you! I may apply for one of those cards too before it is over.

There was a case fairly recently where they thought someone had been rolled up in a rug, and it sounded very logical at the time. I have been racking my brain, though, and I don't remember who the case was about.

I also think their floor looked very strange to not have a rug on it, especially in the family room.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


That would work, I like the song, too.

Maria's glasses? I know from my sister's pregnancy that she had trouble with her contacts, and she talked about hearing the same thing from friends. So that makes me think maybe she wore them frequently the last few months. And she was wearing them at the ATM, correct? Offhand my feeling would be that the glasses came off during the final confrontation and probably were thrown away by Cesar or Christina.

I don't have a firm opinion one way or another yet about Christina's involvement but I would have difficulty believing Cesar was innocent and just taking the rap for something Christina did.

I can't imagine what all must have gone on in that house after December 14th. But I saw a photo that showed a Christmas tree by the curb, a real one. For some reason that particular detail really gives me chills. I can't imagine buying and decorating a tree knowing that a woman and her baby lay buried in my back yard.

And thank you for the welcome! [/*]

Yes welcome Barbara, we have another poster who told us about her sister being pregnant and having issues with her contacts too. That's an interesting tidbit. :patriot:

JMO

[hinman]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I can't see a kidnapping, and I can't see her "tricked" into going to his home if she were afraid of him. [/*]At first I was like their is no way she could of went there willingly.....now I am not so sure, I see her going there.

So I guess what I am trying to say is I am more open to that idea since sutherland says they have reason to believe they were in contact. :)

[hinman]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thank you! I may apply for one of those cards too before it is over.

There was a case fairly recently where they thought someone had been rolled up in a rug, and it sounded very logical at the time. I have been racking my brain, though, and I don't remember who the case was about.

I also think their floor looked very strange to not have a rug on it, especially in the family room. [/*]:seeya: Glad you have joined us.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Bizarre twists and turns. :D [/*]

Yes Cardinal, as the boards and cases turn so do the bizarre twists and turns continue on. :cool:

JMO tho.

[strick10]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Bizarre twists and turns. :D [/*]
Yup :)

[SavannahStar]

Can someone post a link to the pic of the living room again?

Sorry.

Me ------->:punch:

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by hinman
At first I was like their is no way she could of went there willingly.....now I am not so sure, I see her going there.

So I guess what I am trying to say is I am more open to that idea since sutherland says they have reason to believe they were in contact. :) [/*]

Hi, hinman. :seeya: You were missed.

I think Maria was very vulnerable that day. People do inexplicable things sometimes when they're vulnerable, imo.

[donna]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Holy cow! :eek: Nah.....sorry, I can't buy that one. :o A bit too far-fetched for me. [/*]

Well, CAL is somewhere! Why not in a rug at the landfill? I just have an uneasy feeling that he may be dead. I cannot tell you why, but I do have the feeling.

I know I say I hope to wake up and find that CAL has been captured, and I do hope that, but I also cannot believe that he is smart enough to evade capture for this long either!

For me right now, anything is possible. This whole case has been bizarre.

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Holy cow! :eek: Nah.....sorry, I can't buy that one. :o A bit too far-fetched for me. [/*]

To each his own, that's what makes the world go 'round!

;)

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by WomanWithout


Hey, what about me. Am I chopped liver here?:D

I realize I registered a long time ago, but haven't been here. [/*]

Welcome WW and Barbra. :seeya: Sorry, forgot my manners!

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by WomanWithout


Hey, what about me. Am I chopped liver here?:D

I realize I registered a long time ago, but haven't been here. [/*]

Well fiddle dee dee, a big welcome to a fellow Scarlett O'Hara fan!

:seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by WomanWithout


Hey, what about me. Am I chopped liver here?:D

I realize I registered a long time ago, but haven't been here. [/*]

Welcome. I'm curious what it is you are "without." :D

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


Welcome. I'm curious what it is you are "without." :D [/*]

I'm so glad someone asked. :lol:

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by donna


Well, CAL is somewhere! Why not in a rug at the landfill? I just have an uneasy feeling that he may be dead. I cannot tell you why, but I do have the feeling.

I know I say I hope to wake up and find that CAL has been captured, and I do hope that, but I also cannot believe that he is smart enough to evade capture for this long either!

For me right now, anything is possible. This whole case has been bizarre. [/*]

I thought long ago he may have commit suicide, but I think we would have heard about that.

I don't think it's that hard for him to stay lost in Mexico, though.....unfortunately.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by Cardinal


I'm so glad someone asked. :lol: [/*]

:D

[crymeariver2006]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thank you! I may apply for one of those cards too before it is over.

There was a case fairly recently where they thought someone had been rolled up in a rug, and it sounded very logical at the time. I have been racking my brain, though, and I don't remember who the case was about.

I also think their floor looked very strange to not have a rug on it, especially in the family room. [/*]

Are you thinking of Anne Marie Fahey? Tom Capono killed her and rolled her body up in a rug before he put her in a cooler and dumped her in the Atlantic Ocean.

(Which BTW, the Laureans only lived about 30 minutes from the Atlantic Ocean. ;) )

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by SavannahStar


:D [/*]

;)

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes welcome Barbara, we have another poster who told us about her sister being pregnant and having issues with her contacts too. That's an interesting tidbit. :patriot:

JMO [/*]

Thank you for the welcome, I appreciate it.

Maybe that is a common problem with pregnant ladies who also wear contacts. I don't remember seeing any pictures of Maria wearing glasses at all except for at the ATM, even in the pictures of her as a little girl.

[henry]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


That would work, I like the song, too.

Maria's glasses? I know from my sister's pregnancy that she had trouble with her contacts, and she talked about hearing the same thing from friends. So that makes me think maybe she wore them frequently the last few months. And she was wearing them at the ATM, correct? Offhand my feeling would be that the glasses came off during the final confrontation and probably were thrown away by Cesar or Christina.

I don't have a firm opinion one way or another yet about Christina's involvement but I would have difficulty believing Cesar was innocent and just taking the rap for something Christina did.

I can't imagine what all must have gone on in that house after December 14th. But I saw a photo that showed a Christmas tree by the curb, a real one. For some reason that particular detail really gives me chills. I can't imagine buying and decorating a tree knowing that a woman and her baby lay buried in my back yard.

And thank you for the welcome! [/*]

ita ! and you're welcome . . . p.s. wait til you see the song i have ready for st. paddy's day!

am i mixing things up but was the tree out there before xmas - please jump on me if i'm wrong . . . thanks

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


Well, CAL is somewhere! Why not in a rug at the landfill? I just have an uneasy feeling that he may be dead. I cannot tell you why, but I do have the feeling.

I know I say I hope to wake up and find that CAL has been captured, and I do hope that, but I also cannot believe that he is smart enough to evade capture for this long either!

For me right now, anything is possible. This whole case has been bizarre. [/*]

I don't know Donna, I think as long as he's in Mexico it will be a long time before he's even spotted. Family is most likely on his side so his smarts won't even have to come in play. I'm hoping that he'll be so starved for his little girl that he'll goof and contact CSL.

[SavannahStar]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't know Donna, I think as long as he's in Mexico it will be a long time before he's even spotted. Family is most likely on his side so his smarts won't even have to come in play. I'm hoping that he'll be so starved for his little girl that he'll goof and contact CSL. [/*]

I agree. And good point about his daughter.

[hinman]

Originally posted by WomanWithout


Hey, what about me. Am I chopped liver here?:D

I realize I registered a long time ago, but haven't been here. [/*]oops sorry I am definitly glad you are hear to. The more posters the better.:seeya:

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by henry


ita ! and you're welcome . . . p.s. wait til you see the song i have ready for st. paddy's day!

am i mixing things up but was the tree out there before xmas - please jump on me if i'm wrong . . . thanks [/*]

Oh no, jump on me if I am wrong! I know I saw a Christmas tree by the curb and I thought it was in front of the Laurean's house but am I mistaken and it was a neighbor's tree maybe?

[donna]

Originally posted by strick10


I don't know Donna, I think as long as he's in Mexico it will be a long time before he's even spotted. Family is most likely on his side so his smarts won't even have to come in play. I'm hoping that he'll be so starved for his little girl that he'll goof and contact CSL. [/*]

I agree that if CAL is alive that sooner or later he will contact CSL. Or, if he is alive, he could be hiding in plain sight and catching glimpses of Christina and his little girl.

Dead or alive, I want to see him found!

:)

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by crymeariver2006


Are you thinking of Anne Marie Fahey? Tom Capono killed her and rolled her body up in a rug before he put her in a cooler and dumped her in the Atlantic Ocean.

(Which BTW, the Laureans only lived about 30 minutes from the Atlantic Ocean. ;) ) [/*]

Thanks but no, I didn't know much about that one. I do remember vaguely about the cooler and the ocean but that isn't my memory of the rug case.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by donna


I agree that if CAL is alive that sooner or later he will contact CSL. Or, if he is alive, he could be hiding in plain sight and catching glimpses of Christina and his little girl.

Dead or alive, I want to see him found!

:) [/*]

:beer: I heard that, Donna.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
Can someone post a link to the pic of the living room again?

Sorry.

Me ------->:punch: [/*]

Pic of the Laurean living room:

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/cms_exf_2007/news/local/mcs_livingroom.jpg

[donna]

In the Cutts case, the little boy said, "Mommy's in the rug"!

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Oh no, jump on me if I am wrong! I know I saw a Christmas tree by the curb and I thought it was in front of the Laurean's house but am I mistaken and it was a neighbor's tree maybe? [/*]
It was out in front of the Laurean home near the street when they were investigating..............
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qj9mbm.jpg

[donna]

Originally posted by Cardinal


:beer: I heard that, Donna. [/*]

:beer:

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by SavannahStar
Can someone post a link to the pic of the living room again?
Sorry.
Me ------->:punch: [/*]
Here ya go
http://i25.tinypic.com/20gfw44.jpg

oops, just saw Lynn had posted it for ya

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

It was out in front of the Laurean home when they were investigating..............
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qj9mbm.jpg [/*]What is in the middle of their yard?

O' Thanks for the pic.

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here ya go
http://i25.tinypic.com/20gfw44.jpg [/*]I can see why cryme feels there is a rug missing, the vacuum is in the living room and there is no carpet in there.:shrug:

[strick10]

Originally posted by donna


I agree that if CAL is alive that sooner or later he will contact CSL. Or, if he is alive, he could be hiding in plain sight and catching glimpses of Christina and his little girl.

Dead or alive, I want to see him found!

:) [/*]

I'm almost sure that he has probably seen what's on the web regarding this case. If he is in Mexico he's not coming back to the U.S. unless he's brought back. I see him contacting CSL through one of his relatives here in the states. I believe it was Annie * that recalled the sending of mail to the Post Master etc. I think that's what CAL will do. He'll contact her through a relative that's not in the LE's or FBI's sight.

[henry]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Oh no, jump on me if I am wrong! I know I saw a Christmas tree by the curb and I thought it was in front of the Laurean's house but am I mistaken and it was a neighbor's tree maybe? [/*]

for some distant reason . . . i thought someone mentioned "ages ago" (doesn't it seem like that?) that it was the laurean's tree . . . but it was out there before xmas . . . perhaps got in the way of painting :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thank you for the welcome, I appreciate it.

Maybe that is a common problem with pregnant ladies who also wear contacts. I don't remember seeing any pictures of Maria wearing glasses at all except for at the ATM, even in the pictures of her as a little girl. [/*]

Yes, I am surprised no posters have chimed in about it, but Mimi's sister had issues during her pregnancy and now your sister too.

Mary has stated that her eyesight was very bad. JMO.

[henry]

Originally posted by WomanWithout
Now that I have been welcomed so sweetly, I have to go. I can't think about if I'll be back. If I do I will go crazy. I'll think about it tomorrow. ;)

:seeya: [/*]

maybe you want me to fix you up with hihohenry?

please come back with some more interesting discussion!

[hinman]

Originally posted by henry


for some distant reason . . . i thought someone mentioned "ages ago" (doesn't it seem like that?) that it was the laurean's tree . . . but it was out there before xmas . . . perhaps got in the way of painting :shrug: [/*]The neighbors mentioned Marias Car parked out by the Christmas tree. Is that what you mean.

[Lynn Gweeny]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


Thank you for the welcome, I appreciate it.

Maybe that is a common problem with pregnant ladies who also wear contacts. I don't remember seeing any pictures of Maria wearing glasses at all except for at the ATM, even in the pictures of her as a little girl. [/*]

Hi Barbara. I was able to locate 2 photos of Maria wearing glasses and she's wearing different frames in each.

http://m1.respectance.com/data/photos/5NKh7gGPiGGtGGt_o.jpg

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/08/30/82/slideshow_382308_ddn012008lauterbachbootcamp.JPG

[hinman]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Hi Barbara. I was able to locate 2 photos of Maria wearing glasses and she's wearing different frames in each.

http://m1.respectance.com/data/photos/5NKh7gGPiGGtGGt_o.jpg

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/08/30/82/slideshow_382308_ddn012008lauterbachbootcamp.JPG [/*]When I use to work in an eyeglass center the military guys called the glasses in the second pic, Birth control glasses.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by hinman
I can see why cryme feels there is a rug missing, the vacuum is in the living room and there is no carpet in there.:shrug: [/*]
But, but, but I use a vacuum on my tile, and sometimes leave it there in case I drag anymore crap in on my shoes :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by hinman
When I use to work in an eyeglass center the military guys called the glasses in the second pic, Birth control glasses. [/*]

Next time, put an alert on your post to put drink down. My keyboard is wet now hinman. :eek:

:tongue:

[hinman]

Originally posted by IvySterling

But, but, but I use a vacuum on my tile, and sometimes leave it there in case I drag anymore crap in on my shoes :) [/*]shoot, I was trying to help cryme out.;)

[henry]

Originally posted by hinman
The neighbors mentioned Marias Car parked out by the Christmas tree. Is that what you mean. [/*]

thanks but nope. maybe it was one of the neighbors that mentioned it . . . or maybe in one of my dreams. now i've got a mission at 3 a.m. tomorrow to go & research/find it - thanks!

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by IvySterling

But, but, but I use a vacuum on my tile, and sometimes leave it there in case I drag anymore crap in on my shoes :) [/*]

I was going to mention that too, but I thought Cryme might not be able to get her head down the hallway if we give it too much credence. :D J/K cryme.

Seriously, I would think one of those floor sweepers as opposed to a vacuum cleaner, but what do I know?:eek:

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
I can see why cryme feels there is a rug missing, the vacuum is in the living room and there is no carpet in there.:shrug: [/*]

I think that is very odd. It also looks (to my old eyes) as if the sofa is stained on the end to the left.
I hope LE confiscated the contents of the vaccuum cleaner! It could have contained some fibers that were not the same fibers as in the carpet in the other parts of the house. That is, if they had carpet in the bedrooms and hallway. If not, then why have a vac. at all?



:shrug:

[nuttintodo]

Originally posted by IvySterling

It was out in front of the Laurean home near the street when they were investigating..............
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qj9mbm.jpg [/*]

Oh yes and remember we had the big discussion about trying to decipher Malo Menard's words and his statement about Maria's car parked right there by that tree (or something to that effect).

jmo iirc!

[hinman]

someone asked if the couch was fabric, It looks like the microfiber fabric to me.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by WomanWithout
Does anyone think the meeting between Cesar and Maria on the day she died planned by them? [/*]

Yes, I do think they planned to meet when they knew CSL would be at the Christmas party. What may have not been planned though was Maria returning the second time later on.

imoo

[donna]

Originally posted by WomanWithout


Oh wait, I remember you. You should know about multiplication. :)

We've been on other forums before. A few in fact. [/*]

:D

Edited to add that I was not even meaning to reply to your post!

[hinman]

Originally posted by donna


I think that is very odd. It also looks (to my old eyes) as if the sofa is stained on the end to the left.
I hope LE confiscated the contents of the vaccuum cleaner! It could have contained some fibers that were not the same fibers as in the carpet in the other parts of the house. That is, if they had carpet in the bedrooms and hallway. If not, then why have a vac. at all?



:shrug: [/*]The vacuum does look used. hmm trying to find the stain. My eyes are not the best.;)

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by nelkirk


Our entire home is in ceramic tile and we use the Swifter Dust and the Swifter Wet Mop to keep it clean.

ITA w/ Cryme [/*]

Oh dear Nel, I can hear Cyrme's head banging against the walls as we post. :D

No, I do agree as well with reference to the idea of a floor cleaner as opposed to a vacuum. I guess one day we will find out. Tho it would be nice if MW would get an interview with Wanda and see if it was overlooked in her previous interviews.

JMO.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by hinman
When I use to work in an eyeglass center the military guys called the glasses in the second pic, Birth control glasses. [/*]
Yep, the still do :D

Marine Corps issue eyeglasses (officially F-9). Named Birth Control glasses by the troops due to their repulsive effect on the opposite sex.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by nuttintodo


Oh yes and remember we had the big discussion about trying to decipher Malo Menard's words and his statement about Maria's car parked right there by that tree (or something to that effect).

jmo iirc! [/*]
Sure do remember nuttin

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


I was going to mention that too, but I thought Cryme might not be able to get her head down the hallway if we give it too much credence. :D J/K cryme.

Seriously, I would think one of those floor sweepers as opposed to a vacuum cleaner, but what do I know?:eek: [/*]
Oh, I use a Swifter also but it doesn't pick up the grit, just kinda spreads it around.

[donna]

Originally posted by hinman
someone asked if the couch was fabric, It looks like the microfiber fabric to me. [/*]

I did.....thank you, hinman!

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Hi Barbara. I was able to locate 2 photos of Maria wearing glasses and she's wearing different frames in each.

http://m1.respectance.com/data/photos/5NKh7gGPiGGtGGt_o.jpg

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/08/30/82/slideshow_382308_ddn012008lauterbachbootcamp.JPG [/*]

Thank you, as I said I have been reading here a while and really admire your skill with finding the articles and links.

And I will have to give myself a 0 in sleuthing, since I have seen these pictures before and it didn't register with me that she was wearing glasses!

Thank you again, Lynn Gweeny. And your nick is so creative and funny too.

[donna]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Oh dear Nel, I can hear Cyrme's head banging against the walls as we post. :D

No, I do agree as well with reference to the idea of a floor cleaner as opposed to a vacuum. I guess one day we will find out. Tho it would be nice if MW would get an interview with Wanda and see if it was overlooked in her previous interviews.

JMO. [/*]

I would absolutely love that!!!!

:D

[gaelicpeas]

Originally posted by Lynn Gweeny


Pic of the Laurean living room:

http://a.abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/cms_exf_2007/news/local/mcs_livingroom.jpg [/*]

Thanks, Lynn! I wonder why there are missing paint areas on the upper right side of that pic... looks almost like there was a large picture or something there that got painted around. Odd, and probably means nothing...

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Lynn! I wonder why there are missing paint areas on the upper right side of that pic... looks almost like there was a large picture or something there that got painted around. Odd, and probably means nothing... [/*]

I see what you're referring to - but is it a reflection from an opposite window?

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


Yes, I am surprised no posters have chimed in about it, but Mimi's sister had issues during her pregnancy and now your sister too.

Mary has stated that her eyesight was very bad. JMO. [/*]

It makes me wonder when her eyes became so bad, does anyone know if she had bad eyes as a child? And are there sight requirements for becoming a Marine? It seems I read the vision has to be correctable to 20/40 but I could have that wrong.

I will try to look up something about contacts and pregnancy.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by IvySterling

Here ya go
http://i25.tinypic.com/20gfw44.jpg

oops, just saw Lynn had posted it for ya [/*]

Yes, thanks for the picture, I thought that's what I remembered. I am glad I got one right after the glasses mistake.

I think the thing in the yard is the little girls play castle, isn't it?

[donna]

I tried using the vac on my slate, but it did not pick up the grit in the grooves where the grouting is. I am old fashioned - I use warm water, pine oil, and a good old cotton mop!

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by BarbraAllen


It makes me wonder when her eyes became so bad, does anyone know if she had bad eyes as a child? And are there sight requirements for becoming a Marine? It seems I read the vision has to be correctable to 20/40 but I could have that wrong.

I will try to look up something about contacts and pregnancy. [/*]

I think you're right about the MC sight requirements, Barbra. IIRC, someone speculated that her deteriorating eyesight may have been the reason she was facing discharge.

[donna]

Originally posted by gaelicpeas


Thanks, Lynn! I wonder why there are missing paint areas on the upper right side of that pic... looks almost like there was a large picture or something there that got painted around. Odd, and probably means nothing... [/*]

I see where you are talking about, gaelicpeas. Appears as if one was hung there before the paint was dry.

[BarbraAllen]

Apologies if this has been discussed previously, but is it certain that is a tile floor? Could it be vinyl? Some of the vinyl these days can really look like tile on casual glance, imo.

[BarbraAllen]

Originally posted by donna


I see where you are talking about, gaelicpeas. Appears as if one was hung there before the paint was dry. [/*]

I agree, it does look like that.

[IvySterling]

Originally posted by donna
I tried using the vac on my slate, but it did not pick up the grit in the grooves where the grouting is. I am old fashioned - I use warm water, pine oil, and a good old cotton mop! [/*]
I kid my neighbor who's from the south about her using Pinesol on her floors, and she kids me about my white vinegar saying it smells like a 'D' :D