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RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 08:25 AM

bringing this over here...

Finally caught up....

I did not understand why people were manning the thread like you would a telethon. People would announce they were there to take over so whoever could go eat or take care of their baby.

I don't know how much money constitutes having to contact a financial advisor but I would assume it would be in the thousands.

I am very torn as to what I think. The picture she has on her blog of her little boy and the dog symbolizes everything pure and innocent in this world and keeps me in check most times.

However, Nicholas is missing without a trace and there are things that could be done that are not being done. Something as simple as putting his picture on her MySpace, and on her blog. Something as simple as submitting his picture to Texas Equusearch. I even supplied the link.

Judge Judy says "if it doesn't make sense, its a lie". But which part is a lie?

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 08:33 AM

where's her blog?

n/t

03-09-2008, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Morning n/t - :seeya:

I just posted this long thread on 3 - 8 lol - remembered to set the clock but forgot about a new day. [/*]

Hi Rainy,

I read your post. There are many things that don't make sense in this case but then again there is so much we still don't know. All we can go on is the very little information LE has released and Christine's statements which is hearsay, in a way because we don't know if that is what really happened.

In other words, the phone call to his daughter, the cookie story, the dead cellphone story.

I'm not saying she's lying but I wish there were other witnesses to come forward to confirm them. Did Nicholas really tell his coworkers his cellphone was dead? Have we heard from any of them? Did he talk to someone before leaving about having to make cookies with his daughter?

Then of course, there are the coincidences. Resigning from the church 2 days before he goes missing, the dead cellphone, the car being found with no fingerprints. I'm sure there are more.

Somebody out there knows something. I wish they would come forward.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

where's her blog? [/*]

http://thefranciscos.com/

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by n/t

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Thanks. Looks like she merely embellished her lies with more details. She's a real piece of work.

She also says there is not a shred of evidence he's met foul play. Cops have some shred of evidence something is hinky with his disappearance or they would not call it "suspicious."

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 08:53 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by n/t

The more the wife talks, the more his co-workers will compare notes and realize things are not adding up.

n/t

03-09-2008, 09:01 AM

Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers?

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

From what I could figure out, they felt like LE was in charge, and that Christine needed moral, emotional and spiritual support. They felt it was not a place to try and determine why his car was found where it was, etc. [/*]

I think the car is a major screw-up.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

I don't know - I've wondered that also. My first thought would have been a car accident also.

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

Cops really aren't saying too much. They're letting her do most all the talking.

If she was involved then her "knowing it was foul play" is a reflection of her consciousness of guilt.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Another thing that keeps bothering me is the fact that she knew immediately that it was foul play. Not that he was in a car accident, etc.

I wonder if Christine called anyone that night. Did she alert his family at 10:00 pm before calling the police? Did she call any of his friends, his coworkers? [/*]

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.?

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't know - I've wondered that also. My first thought would have been a car accident also. [/*]

a car accident or a car broken down and, guess what, no cell phone.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

a car accident or a car broken down and, guess what, no cell phone. [/*]

I've wondered and put it on here that perhaps his car did break down or was making a funny noise so he pulled over at a place on the way home to check it. Possibly a bad area?

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.? [/*]

Foul play means any crime. Have LE used the term? I've just seen them use "suspicious" to describe his disappearance.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Foul play means any crime. Have LE used the term? I've just seen them use "suspicious" to describe his disappearance. [/*]

Here is one article...
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-021508-missing,0,2078385.story

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've wondered and put it on here that perhaps his car did break down or was making a funny noise so he pulled over at a place on the way home to check it. Possibly a bad area? [/*]

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs.

n/t

03-09-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Responding to this twice but you made me think of something I've been intending to ask. Does foul play automatically mean murder or does it also mean kidnapping, carjacking, assault, robbery, etc.? [/*]

In my opinion, it could mean kidnapping, carjacking, etc. Not necessarily murder.

The reason I brought that up is because I watched the Greta interview again. She says foul play. And then in the Seattle Times article she mentions murdered.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs. [/*]

True - then my suggestion of the car breaking down is stupid - I forget the car was found approximately 20 miles further down the road :punch:

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by n/t

In my opinion, it could mean kidnapping, carjacking, etc. Not necessarily murder.

The reason I brought that up is because I watched the Greta interview again. She says foul play. And then in the Seattle Times article she mentions murdered.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html [/*]

That why I asked - how did we leap from foul play to murder?

Danette44

03-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Hi Rainy,

I read your post. There are many things that don't make sense in this case but then again there is so much we still don't know. All we can go on is the very little information LE has released and Christine's statements which is hearsay, in a way because we don't know if that is what really happened.

In other words, the phone call to his daughter, the cookie story, the dead cellphone story.

I'm not saying she's lying but I wish there were other witnesses to come forward to confirm them. Did Nicholas really tell his coworkers his cellphone was dead? Have we heard from any of them? Did he talk to someone before leaving about having to make cookies with his daughter?

Then of course, there are the coincidences. Resigning from the church 2 days before he goes missing, the dead cellphone, the car being found with no fingerprints. I'm sure there are more.

Somebody out there knows something. I wish they would come forward. [/*]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

If we lie over here, spreading gossip, why does she feel she has to defend herself everytime?? If everything she says is a "FACT", then why worry about what we say here. She needs to stay away from this forum so she not get hurt anymore than she already claims. I would feel to at ease if......

1.) Her home was searched from top to bottom ( just like the husbands would of been when a wife goes missing).

2.) If they gave her a polygraph ( which we don't know if it happen yet )

3.) Talk to neighbors ( I think he made it home that night )

4.) Check out their computers see what was said and done that day of the 13 of Feb.

After reading stories about peoples homes being broken into while they are sleeping and the police coming out there and not doing a thing makes me wonder how involved they really are on this case. She seems to me as being self center and it's all about her and her feelings, she has changed her story about her perfect little world. That could of been a BIG clue in the begining of this case as it always is in the husbands cases. She painted awhole different picture and now it's the opposit, you don't lie like that and then think the public should take pity on you. This is just my opinon and blast me if you like......My heart goes out to them kids and I pray that Nicholas is safe somewhere. JMOO

n/t

03-09-2008, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

if so, the car magically fixed itself and made it's way to a condo parking lot where it was noticed by several people to be parked in various spots. No sign of foul play. No scent of Nicholas leading to or from the car was picked up by dogs. [/*]

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill".

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Here is one article...
http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-021508-missing,0,2078385.story [/*]

Thanks. Here's one where they say there is no sign of foul play but have classified the disappearance as "suspicious." That tells me that they believe there are holes in the wife's story.

http://www.komotv.com/news/15739362.html

Police here located a car Monday morning belonging to a missing Sea-Tac man whose disappearance had been classified as suspicious by sheriff's officials.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill". [/*]

Then that would mean he was carjacked/kidnapped at his parking spot, but LE found no evidence of anything in his car. (like someone else being in there), right?

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Yeah. The dogs not picking up any scent is worrisome. Maybe Nicholas never even got to his car "up the hill". [/*]

So how did somebody else get to the car, start it, drive it away, hide it for five days and then put it in a parking lot noticed by several people over a couple of days?

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

So how did somebody else get to the car, start it, drive it away, hide it for five days and then put it in a parking lot noticed by several people over a couple of days? [/*]

He could have had a gun stuck in his ribs
forced to drive the car himself

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Then that would mean he was carjacked/kidnapped at his parking spot, but LE found no evidence of anything in his car. (like someone else being in there), right? [/*]

right. A friend of mine got carjacked after work in downtown Denver a few years ago. The guy wanted his new Beemer, not him and it was handed over without confrontation.

Nicholas had a '92 RED vehicle. Not exactly prime carjack goods. It was easily spotted by several people but where was it in the days prior to that? Somebody was hiding it and then planted it to be found in order to pull all the volunteer searchers into that area.

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

He could have had a gun stuck in his ribs
forced to drive the car himself [/*]

What about Nicholas or the old car would someone want?

dianaelaine

03-09-2008, 09:33 AM

Back to the case: Yeah ... it really surprised both me and hubby, that she would say she was going to give up after only 3 1/2 weeks. Also that she thought it was murder. Of course, it might be ... but still. Husband said he hopes I would never give up that soon!

He also said he would look for me for at least 3 years .. if not longer. Awww!

Lots more to say ... but hubby is here and we're gonna have some fun. ;)

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

What about Nicholas or the old car would someone want? [/*]

the laptop is the only thing I can think of and that was in some type of bag so I don't know if anyone would know a laptop was in it.

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Danette44

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

If we lie over here, spreading gossip, why does she feel she has to defend herself everytime?? If everything she says is a "FACT", then why worry about what we say here. She needs to stay away from this forum so she not get hurt anymore than she already claims. I would feel to at ease if......

1.) Her home was searched from top to bottom ( just like the husbands would of been when a wife goes missing).

2.) If they gave her a polygraph ( which we don't know if it happen yet )

3.) Talk to neighbors ( I think he made it home that night )

4.) Check out their computers see what was said and done that day of the 13 of Feb.

After reading stories about peoples homes being broken into while they are sleeping and the police coming out there and not doing a thing makes me wonder how involved they really are on this case. She seems to me as being self center and it's all about her and her feelings, she has changed her story about her perfect little world. That could of been a BIG clue in the begining of this case as it always is in the husbands cases. She painted awhole different picture and now it's the opposit, you don't lie like that and then think the public should take pity on you. This is just my opinon and blast me if you like......My heart goes out to them kids and I pray that Nicholas is safe somewhere. JMOO [/*]

Trust me, if she took a poly and passed, she'd sing it loud.
She either hasn't taken one or cops have problems with her story and she knows it. I think it's the latter.

Danette44

03-09-2008, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Trust me, if she took a poly and passed, she'd sing it loud.
She either hasn't taken one or cops have problems with her story and she knows it. I think it's the latter. [/*]

You're right - I met to post that at the end of my message - she is surly the type to put us straight and let people know that LE had the nerve to suspect her and make her take a polygraph!

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

the laptop is the only thing I can think of and that was in some type of bag so I don't know if anyone would know a laptop was in it. [/*]

Few kill for laptops these days. I just don't see this young man walking to his old car after work AND getting carjacked AND kidnapped AND then hidden so well for a month that nobody can find him. That simply doesn't happen these days when we're seeing people shot and dumped in the middle of the street.

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Danette44

You're right - I met to post that at the end of my message - she is surly the type to put us straight and let people know that LE had the nerve to suspect her and make her take a polygraph! [/*]

I think polys of spouses should be mandatory in every missing person case.

isitme

03-09-2008, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I think polys of spouses should be mandatory in every missing person case. [/*]

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 10:05 AM

I was thinking about the whole cell phoone being flat thing, and CF not being able to phone him on it, and may be phoneing his work.

My hubby contacts me a few times a day while I am at work, but he emails me and I respond when I can as he never knows if I am in an important meeting with a member of parliament and I would be cross if he phoned, or just sitting at my desk.

why would a couple who are so tech savvy use the phone anyways? why would they not email, he would look like he was working and she has contact?

Also, I still think NF has/had an internet buddy .......

JustFacts

03-09-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by isitme

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well. [/*]

Let's hope so. She needs to keep talking so they can find the holes in her story and pull it apart.

jmo

n/t

03-09-2008, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by isitme

Remember she was asked to meet with the detective, alone? Perhaps there was a polygraph given at that time. I don't think she would tell "us" that that was planned because she may have had her doubts about whether she would pass it or not. The LE won't tell her she failed it until they have more information to act on/arrest her. So perhaps at this point she thinks all went well. [/*]

Usually authorities do say whether or not a spouse was given a polygraph, don't they?

n/t

03-09-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox
I was thinking about the whole cell phoone being flat thing, and CF not being able to phone him on it, and may be phoneing his work.

My hubby contacts me a few times a day while I am at work, but he emails me and I respond when I can as he never knows if I am in an important meeting with a member of parliament and I would be cross if he phoned, or just sitting at my desk.

why would a couple who are so tech savvy use the phone anyways? why would they not email, he would look like he was working and she has contact?

Also, I still think NF has/had an internet buddy ....... [/*]

Good point! IIRC, Christine said they spoke on the phone several times that day.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Good point! IIRC, Christine said they spoke on the phone several times that day. [/*]

I guess I just don't understand, where I come from phoning mobiles is expensive, so if they were hard up for cash, why is she using that as her preferred form of communicatiion with NF? and not the internet, she could email him hundreds of times per day and no one at work would be any the wiser, and it wouldn't cost a cent.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox

I guess I just don't understand, where I come from phoning mobiles is expensive, so if they were hard up for cash, why is she using that as her preferred form of communicatiion with NF? and not the internet, she could email him hundreds of times per day and no one at work would be any the wiser, and it wouldn't cost a cent. [/*]

If you're on the same plan such as AT&t, you can talk endlessly without it going against the minutes. We don't know if she was talking from her mobile phone (if she has one) to his mobile phone or the home phone. Also you brought up a good point about the emailing. You can also speak by IM and disable the sound - it will just blink down at the bottom that you have a message.

n/t

03-09-2008, 10:42 AM

n/t

03-09-2008, 10:43 AM

Did Christine have a car? Sorry if it was already asked and answered.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Did Christine have a car? Sorry if it was already asked and answered. [/*]

There were some photos on their flikr account that showed their house with two cars (one in the garage if I remember correctly). I don't know if that pic has been pulled or not.

isitme

03-09-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Usually authorities do say whether or not a spouse was given a polygraph, don't they? [/*]

I would think they do when it is beneficial to the case. But if they think it shows deceptions and they want the person that took the poly to keep talking so that there is more go on they wouldn't tell the world yet that one was even given would they? Since polygraphs aren't admissable in most courts it usually only serves the purpose of shedding some light. If that light points that the person is being less than honest they would want to know more so they can rpove their case, or eliminate that person concretely.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 10:48 AM

I guess my point is, why was she phoning him at work several times a day? I am sure he would have had meeting, gone to lunch, the toilet etc. how would she know he would be at the desk, I would get chatted to recieving many personal calls a day. Email is a much better communication tool with people from out of work, you can answer them as you are able. It is so much more convienient IMO

these people were all over the net, why stop one form of communication and use another?

Oh and I just assumed she called from the home phone, if she was on the same mobile plan, then she could be ringing him all day long and it wouldn't cost anything.
MOO

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03-09-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

There were some photos on their flikr account that showed their house with two cars (one in the garage if I remember correctly). I don't know if that pic has been pulled or not. [/*]

that picture is in her flickr account and was posted in 2006

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox

I guess I just don't understand, where I come from phoning mobiles is expensive, so if they were hard up for cash, why is she using that as her preferred form of communicatiion with NF? and not the internet, she could email him hundreds of times per day and no one at work would be any the wiser, and it wouldn't cost a cent. [/*]

Morning FF. When hubs calls me from his cell or I call him from mine. It does not cost us, as verizon to verizon phones are free. Same w/many other cell phone companies. As long as the phones are w/the same provider you can call each other all day every day and pay no extra. If say a Sprint customer calls a verizon customer, then it cost.

shelkobe

03-09-2008, 10:54 AM

The pictures previously linked to showed the second car was a Subaru. I also think I saw Nicholas mention somewhere that the other car was a Subaru.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox
I guess my point is, why was she phoning him at work several times a day? I am sure he would have had meeting, gone to lunch, the toilet etc. how would she know he would be at the desk, I would get chatted to recieving many personal calls a day. Email is a much better communication tool with people from out of work, you can answer them as you are able. It is so much more convienient IMO

these people were all over the net, why stop one form of communication and use another?

Oh and I just assumed she called from the home phone, if she was on the same mobile plan, then she could be ringing him all day long and it wouldn't cost anything.
MOO [/*]

I think it really depends on the rules where you work. Some companies are more lax on this then others. I think it depends on the office setting too. Like for instance if you have your own office as opposed to cubicals where other may get distracted by someone yapping on a phone all of the time.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

I think it really depends on the rules where you work. Some companies are more lax on this then others. I think it depends on the office setting too. Like for instance if you have your own office as opposed to cubicals where other may get distracted by someone yapping on a phone all of the time. [/*]

Morning Tam :)

True! I have my cell phone on vibrate/ring so I can try to catch it before it rings.

shelkobe

03-09-2008, 11:00 AM

I've gotta say, I don't understand all these posts suspecting Christine of doing something nefarious to Nicholas. There's nothing to suggest that, that I can see.

Also, if there is no indication of foul play, it makes no sense at this point in the investigation for the police to subject Christine to a polygraph.

Police departments do not have an unlimited budget for manpower and testing for cases that do not appear to involve a crime. At some point if some evidence comes to light in that direction, I'm sure they will reignite and redirect the investigation. But until then, it is a waste of resources, imo.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:01 AM

I wonder, if the person who knew NF at work could tell us if he had a cubical or an office?

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:24 AM

If NF had got his promotion as CF states then he would be wanting to get the money that went along with it (she states that he is still to get the payrise) and so he would probably be wanting to portray himself as being very professional. Personal phone calls all day long from the wife isn't going to fit with this very well IMO

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox
I wonder, if the person who knew NF at work could tell us if he had a cubical or an office? [/*]

FF, IIRC, on Christines pic's, there was a picture of cubicles that said. Life in a cubicle or something like that. That might of been taken at Nicks work, but that's all I know.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

FF, IIRC, on Christines pic's, there was a picture of cubicles that said. Life in a cubicle or something like that. That might of been taken at Nicks work, but that's all I know. [/*]

I wonder then if others had a problem with mobile calls, I have never worked in that sort of environment, so I can't say.

good though if you want your cubical mates to *over hear* you telling your wife your cell phone is dead

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox
If NF had got his promotion as CF states then he would be wanting to get the money that went along with it (she states that he is still to get the payrise) and so he would probably be wanting to portray himself as being very professional. Personal phone calls all day long from the wife isn't going to fit with this very well IMO [/*]

FF, Have you seen what Cheri thought on Nick having money to run off. She thought that maybe he did get that raise but told Christine that he didn't and maybe saved that difference for his get away???

desmom

03-09-2008, 11:36 AM

I am caught up on reading and wanted throw in my 2 cents on a few posts...

Re: his car being found in the parking lot - AMW is reporting his car did not appear in the lot until 3 days after he disappeared..Friday? http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

Police in Federal Way, Wash. recovered a red 1992 Toyota Paseo on Feb. 18, 2008 that belongs to a missing father from Seattle...........noting that it had been parked at the condo complex for three days

IMO, IF Nicholas walked away, the car was left because Nicholas was already gone. It was not important if the car was found. I would like to know where the car was the evening of Feb 13 - Feb. 15.

Resigning from the Church - Christine has addressed several issues on her site http://thefranciscos.com/ except why they left the church. I do think the church resignation could have some bearing on why Nicholas is missing. What bearing? I have no idea. LOL!

Dogs - http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351948_missing20.html
Search dogs aided volunteers Tuesday at the condominiums, but Urquhart said their efforts "didn't tell us anything, one way or the other."

IMO, LE is not saying they did not find his scent.

jmo

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox

I wonder then if others had a problem with mobile calls, I have never worked in that sort of environment, so I can't say.

good though if you want your cubical mates to *over hear* you telling your wife your cell phone is dead [/*]

Me either, the only time I ever worked in a cubicle type setting was before cell phones. Aghhhh did I just admit that outloud. OUCH.

I do wonder what Nicks co-workers might have known of Nicks personal life. If he did work in a cubicle type setting, they have overheard alot.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

FF, Have you seen what Cheri thought on Nick having money to run off. She thought that maybe he did get that raise but told Christine that he didn't and maybe saved that difference for his get away??? [/*]

You know that is just what my hubby said. he said that men plan these things for months and never let on to anyone. Just go about things as normal, make plans with their wives, friends, family and then *gone*
men can be very good at compartmentalising their lives.

decor

03-09-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by desmom
I am caught up on reading and wanted throw in my 2 cents on a few posts...

Re: his car being found in the parking lot - AMW is reporting his car did not appear in the lot until 3 days after he disappeared..Friday? http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

IMO, IF Nicholas walked away, the car was left because Nicholas was already gone. It was not important if the car was found. I would like to know where the car was the evening of Feb 13 - Feb. 15.

Resigning from the Church - Christine has addressed several issues on her site http://thefranciscos.com/ except why they left the church. I do think the church resignation could have some bearing on why Nicholas is missing. What bearing? I have no idea. LOL!

Dogs - http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351948_missing20.html

IMO, LE is not saying they did not find his scent.

jmo [/*]

I can't imagine if Nick was going to run off that he would hang around with the car but would have left immediately.
This brings us back to the police not finding anything unusual in the car. Does this mean there were no fingerprints of anyone else in the car?

If fingerprints don't count then I am back to the theory that he may have been taken against his will in his own car but transfered from there.

UNLESS he had no idea how this would grow and thought he had plenty of time to hang around before he took off.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:45 AM

Everyone keeps calling that car red. Am I the only one who thinks it looks orange?

decor

03-09-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Coldwater

If you would read my posts, you'd know why your posts are deleted, next time you will lose your access. [/*]

I am confused as to who you are addressing. Is it me? I can't tell if you are talking to me because your last two posts were directed at two different people. The first one I knew but the 2nd I am not sure of, sorry.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox

You know that is just what my hubby said. he said that men plan these things for months and never let on to anyone. Just go about things as normal, make plans with their wives, friends, family and then *gone*
men can be very good at compartmentalising their lives. [/*]

I think that could be true FF, I think most of the time when grown men go missing, that's what people automatically think. Yet not the case w/women. We may not conciously do it, but that's just how our minds look at male verses females.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Everyone keeps calling that car red. Am I the only one who thinks it looks orange? [/*]

I think it is a very sun faded red car, in need of some tlc. so I guess in some photos, it does look a little orange, but as I *know* it is red that is what my brain tells me IYKWIM

Nellie

03-09-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Coldwater

If you would read my posts, you'd know why your posts are deleted, next time you will lose your access. [/*]

I'm sorry Coldwater. I did read your post but did not realize it was directed at me. Does this mean we cannot discuss the Etsy donation at all? I honestly did not realize that it's off limits to talk about and if it is, then I'll stay away from that subject.

I am not a member of Etsy and have never been. I only took interest in the fundraising.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by flyingfox

I think it is a very sun faded red car, in need of some tlc. [/*]

Thank you. I was wondering if it was the lighting on the photography or my eyes. That's a thought too. The darn thing sure looks orange to me though. I kept calling it orange then someone else would say red. Then I was thinking I was looking at the wrong car....I am easily confused ya know. :punch: myself.

Track292003

03-09-2008, 11:50 AM

Re: the promotion Nicholas received last Summer: Does anyone know whether his new job title at Publicis was "THE art director" or "AN art director"?

There could be a huge difference between the two, and I've always thought that 28 is very young to be "THE art director" of a major office of a major agency, while becoming "AN art director" could mean that he had simply achieved a higher job title on the career ladder for graphic designers.

Christine posted that prior to this promotion, Nicholas had been on "studio salary," and I wonder if anyone here knows what that actually means at an advertising agency.

TIA.

flyingfox

03-09-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Thank you. I was wondering if it was the lighting on the photography or my eyes. That's a thought too. The darn thing sure looks orange to me though. I kept calling it orange then someone else would say red. Then I was thinking I was looking at the wrong car....I am easily confused ya know. :punch: myself. [/*]

I just think it is very sun faded, and so in some photo's it looks orange..

need2no

03-09-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Me either, the only time I ever worked in a cubicle type setting was before cell phones. Aghhhh did I just admit that outloud. OUCH.

I do wonder what Nicks co-workers might have known of Nicks personal life. If he did work in a cubicle type setting, they have overheard alot. [/*]

Text messaging is a good way to keep your personal business private. My son will send a text to say something like, Matt will drop me off after practice 2 day. I respond- ok, luv u. Works great for us and only takes seconds to send or respond.

I think someone made a great point about why CF didn't just send NF an e-mail...it appears she was/is on line quite a bit anyway so it would seem to make sense. However I would never put anything too personal on an e-mail at work because they have people who monitor these things.

huskiki

03-09-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by n/t
Good Morning all,

Hope everyone remembered to change their clocks one hour ahead. It's currently 8:12 am in the East. :D

I noticed Christine made a change on her blog. Maybe it was done earlier but I just noticed it this morning. She clarified why she needed the sugar and why it had to be at Costco.

Hoping for some news today. I continue to hope Nicholas is safe and will be reunited with his children soon. :rose: [/*]

Good Morning n/t :seeya:

I want my hour back.

isitme

03-09-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Text messaging is a good way to keep your personal business private. My son will send a text to say something like, Matt will drop me off after practice 2 day. I respond- ok, luv u. Works great for us and only takes seconds to send or respond.

I think someone made a great point about why CF didn't just send NF an e-mail...it appears she was/is on line quite a bit anyway so it would seem to make sense. However I would never put anything too personal on an e-mail at work because they have people who monitor these things. [/*]

Ahh, but text messages can be retrieved as well. They are not gone forever. If you don't believe me then just read up on Detroit mayor Kilpatrick and all of the trouble he is in because his text messages have been uncovered.

Danette44

03-09-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by shelkobe
I've gotta say, I don't understand all these posts suspecting Christine of doing something nefarious to Nicholas. There's nothing to suggest that, that I can see.

Also, if there is no indication of foul play, it makes no sense at this point in the investigation for the police to subject Christine to a polygraph.

Police departments do not have an unlimited budget for manpower and testing for cases that do not appear to involve a crime. At some point if some evidence comes to light in that direction, I'm sure they will reignite and redirect the investigation. But until then, it is a waste of resources, imo. [/*]

No one is accusing Christine of doing harm to him - my statement is a fact that if it was a woman missing the men in thier lives are the first to be put thru everything and several case on these boards have shown the men not having a thing to do with the disappearance. She has twisited her stories, why not look at the wife also?? I Pray Nicholas just walked away and not murder as his own wife suspects, only time will tell and this case will be set aside like a few others here. jmoo

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Track292003
Re: the promotion Nicholas received last Summer: Does anyone know whether his new job title at Publicis was "THE art director" or "AN art director"?

There could be a huge difference between the two, and I've always thought that 28 is very young to be "THE art director" of a major office of a major agency, while becoming "AN art director" could mean that he had simply achieved a higher job title on the career ladder for graphic designers.

Christine posted that prior to this promotion, Nicholas had been on "studio salary," and I wonder if anyone here knows what that actually means at an advertising agency.

TIA. [/*]

Hey Track. LTNS.

I am glad you ask what Studio salary meant. I don't actually know either. I meant to google it but I keep getting side tracked. Maybe someone here knows.

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm sorry Coldwater. I did read your post but did not realize it was directed at me. Does this mean we cannot discuss the Etsy donation at all? I honestly did not realize that it's off limits to talk about and if it is, then I'll stay away from that subject.

I am not a member of Etsy and have never been. I only took interest in the fundraising. [/*]

Nellie if you find out the answer in a PM could you let me know? I don't want to get in trouble either.

huskiki

03-09-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

FF, Have you seen what Cheri thought on Nick having money to run off. She thought that maybe he did get that raise but told Christine that he didn't and maybe saved that difference for his get away??? [/*]

Hi AJandTam :seeya:

I posted almost the same thing about his raise but I don't remember where. LOL It would explain how he could have saved up some cash. I wonder how much the raise was. I've gotten some decent raises over the years and I work in IT. He's a techie in a high position, it was probably significant.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 12:03 PM

need2no

03-09-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by isitme

Ahh, but text messages can be retrieved as well. They are not gone forever. If you don't believe me then just read up on Detroit mayor Kilpatrick and all of the trouble he is in because his text messages have been uncovered. [/*]

Yeah, but who would retrieve them unless you were involved in something illegal/nefarious. If anyone retrieved my text messages they would be bored to tears. :D

I'll have to check out the info on the Mayor, sounds like it would be interesting, thanks.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi AJandTam :seeya:

I posted almost the same thing about his raise but I don't remember where. LOL It would explain how he could have saved up some cash. I wonder how much the raise was. I've gotten some decent raises over the years and I work in IT. He's a techie in a high position, it was probably significant. [/*]

Good Morning Huskiki. Your nic is a tongue twister in my head. LOL
He could get away w/it if he cashed his checks, but I don't know if his checks were direct deposited. Thoughts?

need2no

03-09-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Was that a work owned phone or a private owned phone? TIA. I'm too lazy to go find out... [/*]

CF said it was NF's phone but he got a company discount.

isitme

03-09-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi AJandTam :seeya:

I posted almost the same thing about his raise but I don't remember where. LOL It would explain how he could have saved up some cash. I wonder how much the raise was. I've gotten some decent raises over the years and I work in IT. He's a techie in a high position, it was probably significant. [/*]

Seems to be a popular theory - - I also posted the same thing a while back about this idea that he was skimming his own patcheck.

:beer: to great minds think alike.

huskiki

03-09-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Good Morning Huskiki. Your nic is a tongue twister in my head. LOL
He could get away w/it if he cashed his checks, but I don't know if his checks were direct deposited. Thoughts? [/*]

Good question about direct deposit. I don't recall if that information was ever released. When you stop to think about it, we don't know much. LOL I want answers! If he's dead I want his body found. If he left on his own I want him to let someone know that he's ok.

I also asked last night if anyone thought that his parents could be hiding him. We haven't heard much, if anything, out of them.

huskiki

03-09-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by isitme

Seems to be a popular theory - - I also posted the same thing a while back about this idea that he was skimming his own patcheck.

:beer: to great minds think alike. [/*]

We should all be PI's. LOL

:beer:

isitme

03-09-2008, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Yeah, but who would retrieve them unless you were involved in something illegal/nefarious. If anyone retrieved my text messages they would be bored to tears. :D

I'll have to check out the info on the Mayor, sounds like it would be interesting, thanks. [/*]

In the mayors case they were retrieved through FOIA. Court ordered them released when it was challenged. Later appealed, lost that appeal, appealed to the state court and lost that one as well. And now that they have been released there is all kinds of trash being revealed.

Check it out. Very interesting - well at least it is for us locals.

Back to this case, I don't think just anyone can have the provider fork them over. But as you said if there was something going on, as in mayor Kilpatricks case . . .

My text messages consist of a total of 3 and nothing in them that anyone would find interesting. Not even me.

huskiki

03-09-2008, 12:15 PM

I don't even know how to text :o

field of snow

03-09-2008, 12:18 PM

My husband just received a significant raise, but broken down it isn't much per paycheck. I don't think a jump from studio salary to art director salary would be that much when broken down per month/pay period. And not enough to save up to run away over 6 months time. Moo, of course.

I would believe, however, that he could have been working on graphics for a umm..just a thought based on the Craigslist ads where I live....an adult website. They pay pretty well! Or even other jobs that she didn't know about.

Guilty secret: Once, we received a large overpayment rebate on our escrow. I didn't tell my husband and I cashed it directly at the bank for cash. :)

Originally posted by isitme

Seems to be a popular theory - - I also posted the same thing a while back about this idea that he was skimming his own patcheck.

:beer: to great minds think alike. [/*]

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by need2no

CF said it was NF's phone but he got a company discount. [/*]

no need2know. I was referring to the poster who was talking about the other case w/the text messages...Thanks though.

desmom

03-09-2008, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by field of snow
My husband just received a significant raise, but broken down it isn't much per paycheck. I don't think a jump from studio salary to art director salary would be that much when broken down per month/pay period. And not enough to save up to run away over 6 months time. Moo, of course.

I would believe, however, that he could have been working on graphics for a umm..just a thought based on the Craigslist ads where I live....an adult website. They pay pretty well! Or even other jobs that she didn't know about.

Guilty secret: Once, we received a large overpayment rebate on our escrow. I didn't tell my husband and I cashed it directly at the bank for cash. :)

[/*]

Maybe he had been doing some side jobs and that is why Christine was surprised by their paypal account balance.

:shrug:

jmo

field of snow

03-09-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I also asked last night if anyone thought that his parents could be hiding him. We haven't heard much, if anything, out of them. [/*]

I wanted to clear up something I understood, but maybe I was wrong....

Am I correct that NF's father has not been interviewed either via print or TV? I thought I saw a man with the mother in one video, but unless NF and sisters were adopted, could not have been the birth father.

If true, Are they divorced? Is he passed away? Where does he live? In this country?

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by field of snow

I wanted to clear up something I understood, but maybe I was wrong....

Am I correct that NF's father has not been interviewed either via print or TV? I thought I saw a man with the mother in one video, but unless NF and sisters were adopted, could not have been the birth father.

If true, Are they divorced? Is he passed away? Where does he live? In this country? [/*]

The only reference that *I* have seen about his father was on his portfolio work - making the labels for his father's homemade wine.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Good question about direct deposit. I don't recall if that information was ever released. When you stop to think about it, we don't know much. LOL I want answers! If he's dead I want his body found. If he left on his own I want him to let someone know that he's ok.

I also asked last night if anyone thought that his parents could be hiding him. We haven't heard much, if anything, out of them. [/*]

Yes, some more information would be great. I think it's a shame how men don't get the same attention as women do in these cases.

Unless Nick was involved in something illegal. I don't see a reason for his parents to hide him out. That doesn't mean there aren't things we don't know though.

desmom

03-09-2008, 12:32 PM

Interesting links I found at WS:

Hoax Artists: (last paragraph) http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050613/13hoax_2.htm

A Chicago investment banker named Zubair Ghias, 28, carried out perhaps the most bizarre hoax of all. When Ghias disappeared on Valentine's Day, 2004, his pregnant wife hired a private detective named Ernie Rizzo to track him down. When police found Ghias's abandoned Range Rover....

and is this the same Christine:

http://www.indiebabies.com/2007/04/mothers_day_giv.html

Posted by: Christine (Bella Style Boutique) | April 21, 2007 at 20:32

Here I am! Mom of three boys! One is a newborn!

RainyNiteNTx

03-09-2008, 12:38 PM

Nellie

03-09-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Huh? Is that the baby that died maybe? I thought it was a miscarriage. [/*]

Even if it was....that would be 2 boys and 1 girl! I don't think it's the baby that died. That was a miscarriage....not a newborn. I think it was false. Why lie about such a thing?

What a find.

SeattleEddie

03-09-2008, 12:46 PM

Even so, it wouldn't be three boys . One of her kids is a girl.

n/t

03-09-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
Even so, it wouldn't be three boys . One of her kids is a girl. [/*]

How odd. You know I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt. Some people may lie about this stuff just to win a silly contest but to say 3 boys? I don't see a reason to say 3 boys? She could've said 3 children or 4 whatever. hmmmm

Nellie

03-09-2008, 12:52 PM

I think I'm still in shock....but it confirms something to me.

Maybe she'll explain it on her blog.

Nellie

03-09-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by n/t

How odd. You know I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt. Some people may lie about this stuff just to win a silly contest but to say 3 boys? I don't see a reason to say 3 boys? She could've said 3 children or 4 whatever. hmmmm [/*]

Well, 3 boys might help muster up sympathy for a poor mom of 3 rowdy boys! So it may have been to win a contest. But why not 6 rowdy boys? Why 3? This is just bizarre to even want to win a contest enough to lie. It just shows a piece of her personality and confirms that she cannot be believed.

I've dealt with dishonest personalities before and they even seem to beleive their own lies.

YellowRose49

03-09-2008, 12:56 PM

Just read through last nights posts and now these. Finally made it this far, phew!

Hi Field of Snow. It sure will be easier to distinguish you from Snowbird now. Those names were too close.

I chuckled when I read your user name and then your location. Yeah, like right...you're sitting in a field of snow. Too funny. You must be a former Yankee...er, Northener.

This case is intriguing. When I read the fact that the car was not only at a condo complex for days, but moved at least once, my curiosity was indeed piqued. SOMEONE had to have moved it. SOMEONE who lives near or AT the complex.
Unlike an apartment complex, condos are usually owned and I suspect, with real estate costs in that part of the country, expensive to own. What I am trying to say is, if the condos are significant, the person who lives there (?) and may be involved, has to have some money, unlike apartment complexes.
So...who did he know who might live in that complex? Who would risk being seen moving the vehicle?
Someone from work? Someone from their former church? I wonder if the cops checked out any connections to someone who may live at that complex? Sure, they and volunteers may have gone door to door, but what does that prove?

n/t

03-09-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I think I'm still in shock....but it confirms something to me.

Maybe she'll explain it on her blog. [/*]

Me too.

YellowRose49

03-09-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Well, 3 boys might help muster up sympathy for a poor mom of 3 rowdy boys! So it may have been to win a contest. But why not 6 rowdy boys? Why 3? This is just bizarre to even want to win a contest enough to lie. It just shows a piece of her personality and confirms that she cannot be believed.

I've dealt with dishonest personalities before and they even seem to beleive their own lies. [/*]

Nellie, that kind of liar is known as pathological. They truly do believe their own lies and once they repeat them over and over, they become their reality. It's a sickness.

n/t

03-09-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Well, 3 boys might help muster up sympathy for a poor mom of 3 rowdy boys! So it may have been to win a contest. But why not 6 rowdy boys? Why 3? This is just bizarre to even want to win a contest enough to lie. It just shows a piece of her personality and confirms that she cannot be believed.

I've dealt with dishonest personalities before and they even seem to beleive their own lies. [/*]

Compulsive liars. They do start believing in their own lies and if caught, they make up an excuse or become very defensive. I've had to deal with a few myself.

Not a pleasant situation to be in especially if it's someone close to you.

Nellie

03-09-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by YellowRose49

Nellie, that kind of liar is known as pathological. They truly do believe their own lies and once they repeat them over and over, they become their reality. It's a sickness. [/*]

I know. I've known a few of them in my own REAL life.

n/t

03-09-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by YellowRose49
Just read through last nights posts and now these. Finally made it this far, phew!

Hi Field of Snow. It sure will be easier to distinguish you from Snowbird now. Those names were too close.

I chuckled when I read your user name and then your location. Yeah, like right...you're sitting in a field of snow. Too funny. You must be a former Yankee...er, Northener.

This case is intriguing. When I read the fact that the car was not only at a condo complex for days, but moved at least once, my curiosity was indeed piqued. SOMEONE had to have moved it. SOMEONE who lives near or AT the complex.
Unlike an apartment complex, condos are usually owned and I suspect, with real estate costs in that part of the country, expensive to own. What I am trying to say is, if the condos are significant, the person who lives there (?) and may be involved, has to have some money, unlike apartment complexes.
So...who did he know who might live in that complex? Who would risk being seen moving the vehicle?
Someone from work? Someone from their former church? I wonder if the cops checked out any connections to someone who may live at that complex? Sure, they and volunteers may have gone door to door, but what does that prove? [/*]

This morning when I watched the Greta interview again, Christine mentioned that she would go shopping in that area but never saw the condos. When Greta asked if Nicholas would've been in the area, she replied by <paraphrasing>, no never, he had no reason to ever be there.

How would she know? :shrug:

isitme

03-09-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I think I'm still in shock....but it confirms something to me.

Maybe she'll explain it on her blog. [/*]

I would be surprised if she does. I believe that to her it would not be a FACT relevant to NF being missing.

Danette44

03-09-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by YellowRose49
Just read through last nights posts and now these. Finally made it this far, phew!

Hi Field of Snow. It sure will be easier to distinguish you from Snowbird now. Those names were too close.

I chuckled when I read your user name and then your location. Yeah, like right...you're sitting in a field of snow. Too funny. You must be a former Yankee...er, Northener.

This case is intriguing. When I read the fact that the car was not only at a condo complex for days, but moved at least once, my curiosity was indeed piqued. SOMEONE had to have moved it. SOMEONE who lives near or AT the complex.
Unlike an apartment complex, condos are usually owned and I suspect, with real estate costs in that part of the country, expensive to own. What I am trying to say is, if the condos are significant, the person who lives there (?) and may be involved, has to have some money, unlike apartment complexes.
So...who did he know who might live in that complex? Who would risk being seen moving the vehicle?
Someone from work? Someone from their former church? I wonder if the cops checked out any connections to someone who may live at that complex? Sure, they and volunteers may have gone door to door, but what does that prove? [/*]

Let me ask this question - why if he knew someone living there and staying there park his car in someone else's space - it was stated they were assign parking space? He would of had to know someone would complain about being in their parking space? Meaning the person who lived there should of known.....make any sense? :shrug:

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by YellowRose49
Just read through last nights posts and now these. Finally made it this far, phew!

Hi Field of Snow. It sure will be easier to distinguish you from Snowbird now. Those names were too close.

I chuckled when I read your user name and then your location. Yeah, like right...you're sitting in a field of snow. Too funny. You must be a former Yankee...er, Northener.

This case is intriguing. When I read the fact that the car was not only at a condo complex for days, but moved at least once, my curiosity was indeed piqued. SOMEONE had to have moved it. SOMEONE who lives near or AT the complex.
Unlike an apartment complex, condos are usually owned and I suspect, with real estate costs in that part of the country, expensive to own. What I am trying to say is, if the condos are significant, the person who lives there (?) and may be involved, has to have some money, unlike apartment complexes.
So...who did he know who might live in that complex? Who would risk being seen moving the vehicle?
Someone from work? Someone from their former church? I wonder if the cops checked out any connections to someone who may live at that complex? Sure, they and volunteers may have gone door to door, but what does that prove? [/*]

Hmmmmmmmmm you made me think of something. What if the keys were left in the car, and some kid found it and drove it????????

kpb

03-09-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by desmom

and is this the same Christine:

http://www.indiebabies.com/2007/04/mothers_day_giv.html

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted by: Christine (Bella Style Boutique) | April 21, 2007 at 20:32

Here I am! Mom of three boys! One is a newborn!

[/*]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What the?? :confused:

So it's been established that she is capable of lying. :shrug:

If she is a compulsive liar, eventually she will hang herself if she keeps talking. I think it's just a matter of time.

How on earth did you find that desmom, good work! :patriot:

need2no

03-09-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Let me ask this question - why if he knew someone living there and staying there park his car in someone else's space - it was stated they were assign parking space? He would of had to know someone would complain about being in their parking space? Meaning the person who lived there should of known.....make any sense? :shrug: [/*]

Because he knew this would guarantee someone would report the car being there...just part of the plan to make sure the abandoned car was discovered...clean.

mc528

03-09-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Interesting links I found at WS:

Hoax Artists: (last paragraph) http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050613/13hoax_2.htm

and is this the same Christine:

http://www.indiebabies.com/2007/04/mothers_day_giv.html

[/*]

IMO, I believe it is the same Christine. Even though BellaStyleBoutique.com is no longer an active site, when you scroll down in CF's recent blog posts to the one from July 9, 2007 you'll see that the post is attached to Bella Style Boutique (the same as is in that contest entry from April 20, 2007). There is even a link to that site in the Friends section of the recent blog (but the link directs you to an inactive site...at least it does for me). She likely closed down her own website after opening her shop at BellaStyle.etsy.com. Her actual shop name, as it appears in her banner has remained the same.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by n/t

This morning when I watched the Greta interview again, Christine mentioned that she would go shopping in that area but never saw the condos. When Greta asked if Nicholas would've been in the area, she replied by <paraphrasing>, no never, he had no reason to ever be there.

How would she know? :shrug: [/*]

n/t I have been looking for a website on that Complex. Is there one that you know of??? I wanted to exact address so that I could ask someone I know who familar w/the area some questions. All I got was south 342 street. But, in wa, and the way the do addresses there. That information was a bit too little.

wondering?

03-09-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Huh? Is that the baby that died maybe? I thought it was a miscarriage. [/*]

Oh, My, now this is interesting. I have always questioned why her profile had said mom to three!

Oh,dear, now I really have something to think about, why would she say such a thing-mom to three boys!

This sounds like my niece who just says anything she wants to at any time, like her boyfriend had a temperature of 109 the other day when she took him to hospital. And that is just the tip of the iceberg for her.

Christine, was that really you saying that, it was linked to your website?

Oh My Goodness!

Old Timer

03-09-2008, 01:19 PM

Hello, first time poster, long time reader. What answers lie within that condo complex?

I hadn’t seen this video previously (sorry if posted already). It shows the condo complex and says over 50 friends and family were searching (and shows them knocking on doors). Also a bit from one woman who saw the car. The article describes how a person named “Sean” recognized the car from the news and called police.

http://www.komotv.com/news/15739362.html?video=YHI&t=a
http://www.komotv.com/news/15739362.html

FEDERAL WAY, Wash. -- Police here located a car Monday morning belonging to a missing Sea-Tac man whose disappearance had been classified as suspicious by sheriff's officials.
Sheriff spokesman John Urquhart said Nicholas Francisco's car was spotted by a resident outside the Heritage Condos on South 340th Street at about 10:20 a.m.
That resident, who asked that his last name not be used, said something clicked when he saw a story about the missing man on TV.
"

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 01:20 PM

desmom

03-09-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Because he knew this would guarantee someone would report the car being there...just part of the plan to make sure the abandoned car was discovered...clean. [/*]

I wonder if one of Nicholas or Christine's friends, coworkers or former love interest ever lived in or near those apts.

As N/t pointed out in the Greta interview Christine stated Nicholas would not go to those condos and had no reason to be there.

jmo

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Compulsive liars. They do start believing in their own lies and if caught, they make up an excuse or become very defensive. I've had to deal with a few myself.

Not a pleasant situation to be in especially if it's someone close to you. [/*]

Hey everyone -- I haven't been all that trusting of some of the things that Christine has said, but this kind of reminds me of the iPhone deal a few days ago. Someone says something, and it just keeps escalating because a simple detail is missed. Like the iPhone was fake. Like the post you all are reading is the wrong one (it's by a mom named Angelica, who most likely is a mom of 3 boys). Christine never claimed to have 3 boys. She does say on her profile that she is a mom of 3, which I think is odd, but lets not go after her on this one, ok?

"Compulsive liar" is a bit extreme, don't you all think?

HERE I AM! A momma of two working on the third! :D
Posted by: Christine (Bella Style Boutique) | April 21, 2007 at 20:32

Here I am! Mom of three boys! One is a newborn!
Posted by: Angelica (SoCaliGirl Threads) | April 21, 2007 at 21:03

Nellie

03-09-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

You're not reading it quite right. Christine's line is the one ABOVE her name, not below it (the line you quoted is someone else's). Look again and you'll see this is what Christine wrote:

HERE I AM! A momma of two working on the third! :D

In April 2007, Christine was pregnant -- that was the baby she lost in June 2007. [/*]

Omigosh, I take everything back that I said! I am so sorry!
Thanks for sorting this out....it truly makes a difference!

need2no

03-09-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I wonder if one of Nicholas or Christine's friends, coworkers or former love interest ever lived in or near those apts.

As N/t pointed out in the Greta interview Christine stated Nicholas would not go to those condos and had no reason to be there.

jmo [/*]

I considered that, but if I was having an affair and took off with my lover leaving my DH and children behind I would not leave my car where my lover lives/lived. Wouldn't that be like leaving bread crumbs to help CF figure it all out. Unless of course NF wanted CF to figure it out, which could be possible. Or unless it's the you can't see the forest for the trees plot.

mc528

03-09-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Guys - if you get a chance, go read page 18 - other interesting information on there [/*]

I agree - and maybe significant. The address used as the registration for the web-sites hasn't been addressed by CF or LE, and I think only mentioned a couple of times on the various crime boards. I wonder why that address was used and not their home one....since it is a business address (has a suite in it), I don't think it is a former residence. Could it be just a PO box? If so, what other businesses, or persons, might be also tied to it? There could be either a connection, or other persons that could lend some insight as to NF's disappearance.

MOO

Nellie

03-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I considered that, but if I was having an affair and took off with my lover leaving my DH and children behind I would not leave my car where my lover lives/lived. Wouldn't that be like leaving bread crumbs to help CF figure it all out. Unless of course NF wanted CF to figure it out, which could be possible. Or unless it's the you can't see the forest for the trees plot. [/*]

Maybe HE didn't know someone living there.
Maybe SHE did.....

Just a thought...

need2no

03-09-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Maybe HE didn't know someone living there.
Maybe SHE did.....

Just a thought... [/*]

Hmmm...maybe that explains her comment about him having no reason to be there.

Good thought.

AJandTam

03-09-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by kaylynn

I've been looking around for a website on that condo complex as well..but I can't find a direct website for it. I have found a bunch of sites where it's listed, along with pictures, prices, etc. but I haven't found an exact site for just the complex.It's called Heritage Condominiums. Here's the kind of sites I found: http://condocompare.com/WA/King/Federal_Way/condo_search.aspx [/*]

You Rock Kaylynn. Thank you very very much. I got exactly what I wanted off that site. The actual physical address....Awesome. Now I gotta go make a call and go back to mapquest.....

Danette44

03-09-2008, 01:41 PM

YellowRose49

03-09-2008, 01:48 PM

How long before he disappeared did she let him know she was pregnant? Was it about the same time they left the church?
Perhaps he didn't really want a third child (afterall, sounds like CF was all caught up in her business - she said he was making enough room in a remodel for her craft stuff as it took up a 4th of the livingroom) and things were always a mess around there, which she admits. Perhaps he went out and had a vasectomy, had not told her and when she announced she was pregnant, it came out that she'd been involved with someone in the church and it was HIS baby, not her husbands. That would result in a quick departure from the church and his leaving her and just disappearing. She would not have the guts to admit this to anyone, so the story of his disappearance.
I know...wild conjecturing, but human beings are strange and we do all sorts of wild and crazy things.
However, where he is..how he got there, etc. is the question I'd have about this theory.
Once again, does anyone from the church live at that condo complex?

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 01:56 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I agree - and maybe significant. The address used as the registration for the web-sites hasn't been addressed by CF or LE, and I think only mentioned a couple of times on the various crime boards. I wonder why that address was used and not their home one....since it is a business address (has a suite in it), I don't think it is a former residence. Could it be just a PO box? If so, what other businesses, or persons, might be also tied to it? There could be either a connection, or other persons that could lend some insight as to NF's disappearance.

MOO [/*]

We discussed this a few days ago -- turns out that address is just a private mailbox at the UPS Store. A lot of people who have home businesses use a private mail box instead of their home address -- it makes the business sound more legit I guess -- though of course if anyone wants to stop by in person and check out your "office" from the address, all they will find is the mailbox...

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by appledipper
Hi. I'm new here though I've been lurking for a little while. I watched the whole thing unfold on etsy and that brought me here. Like some of you, I thought the immediate acceptance by CF of the fundraising was odd, as well as other things that have been discussed here.

I really think anything could of happened to NF but I am most inclined to believe he walked away. I am wondering if he wanted to disappear completely or just temporarily. I am really curious about what the coworkers and family know. The church stuff is weird too. [/*]

I agree, the church stuff IS weird, especially since it has never been addressed by Christine to any degree. Although it was her that reported they left on Feb. 11. But on her blog she doesn't mention it, and on the Etsy post a couple weeks ago where she addressed many of the questions, rumors, etc. that had been going around, I don't think she said anything about the church either.

Does anyone know the post I'm talking about and have a link to it? It might be worth taking another look at too. It's the one where she said she "knew for a fact" (I think those were the words) that he wasn't having an affair with a woman or a man, and wasn't gay, etc.

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Some people will kill for as much as the laptop Nicholas had with him. [/*]

Very true. Still there is the missing body though.

Old Timer

03-09-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Great link Old timer. Do you know if the frwy seen in the background is I-5? TIA [/*]

Sorry, not sure. I'm not familiar with the area.

need2no

03-09-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by YellowRose49
How long before he disappeared did she let him know she was pregnant? Was it about the same time they left the church?
Perhaps he didn't really want a third child (afterall, sounds like CF was all caught up in her business - she said he was making enough room in a remodel for her craft stuff as it took up a 4th of the livingroom) and things were always a mess around there, which she admits. Perhaps he went out and had a vasectomy, had not told her and when she announced she was pregnant, it came out that she'd been involved with someone in the church and it was HIS baby, not her husbands. That would result in a quick departure from the church and his leaving her and just disappearing. She would not have the guts to admit this to anyone, so the story of his disappearance.
I know...wild conjecturing, but human beings are strange and we do all sorts of wild and crazy things.
However, where he is..how he got there, etc. is the question I'd have about this theory.
Once again, does anyone from the church live at that condo complex? [/*]

Christine Francisco said her husband is a religious man who loved being a father to the couple's two toddlers and was thrilled to learn on his birthday last month that she was expecting their third child.

The problem with the pregnant by someone from the church...
wouldn't Nicholas just file for a divorce? Why give up his job, his home and seeing his other two children because of CF's promiscuity? Even if the baby is the pastor's :eek: does this pastor have some kind of power/threat looming over NF if he squeals the truth? I guess (?) the secret vascectomy is out of the question since she told him she was pregnant in January and he vanished in mid February...unless they have been arguing about it since she announced it, and she finally came clean that the baby was courtesy of someone in the church..so they resigned, but NF couldn't handle it and stuck around until he could work out his plans to split.

Maybe NF tried to make it work but he simply couldn't deal with the fact that CF cheated on him, AND with someone from the church. So when NF went missing CF immediately knew why but wouldn't want it to be public knowledge. Maybe the person CF had the affair with lives/lived in the condos and NF was sending her a message by leaving the car there.

mc528

03-09-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

We discussed this a few days ago -- turns out that address is just a private mailbox at the UPS Store. A lot of people who have home businesses use a private mail box instead of their home address -- it makes the business sound more legit I guess -- though of course if anyone wants to stop by in person and check out your "office" from the address, all they will find is the mailbox... [/*]

Thanks, I thought that was the case, but my memory wasn't cooperating this morning. I wonder though, since there are no box #'s listed on the site registrations, if there was a way to know if CF or NF had other businesses registered with that address as well (maybe another avenue to someone who might have a piece to the puzzle), or if anyone else's names were attached to the same box there (a possible partner or contact)

YellowRose49

03-09-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

She told him she was pregnant on his birthday, Jan 28. So it was about 2 weeks later that he left. The vasectomy theory is interesting! But at 28 years old, a lot of doctors won't do it, and Nicholas's mom herself stated how good he was with the kids and how much he loved being a father so it would seem a drastic thing to do at such a young age. Plus if he loves he kids as much as everyone says, why disappear? Why not just get a divorce and have partial custody? [/*]

Men have done stranger things when they are upset. Women who love their children have left them (often for a man, but sometimes because they think they might be better off without them for whatever reason). The thing is NONE of this makes any sense.
In my gut, the condo complex and the church are of great significance. If the car had simply been left there, I can say that this may not be true, but the very fact that it appeared three days later and was moved is indicative of several things:
1. He went to that condo complex and was either there in hiding, thinking nobody would know (and he may have parked in the condo owners spot initially) he was there,
2.OR someone who lived there is involved in his disappearance. I would check the owner of the initial parking spot and go from there.
3. CF may have had someone knock off her husband (someone she was involved with?), knowing his usual MO of leaving work and where he was to go, etc., and needs all the "sympathy money" to pay this person. Wild thinking, but it could be.
4.Of course, on the other side of the coin is that she had absolutely nothing to do with his disappearance.

figritout

03-09-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by appledipper
It also seems odd to me that more people haven't spoken out that know him. It makes it appear as if they think he may have walked. I also wonder if he met someone at work since there are probably a lot of young creatives that work there.

The timing of leaving the church, as well as the timing of her telling him about the pregnancy stand out to me.

I wonder if leaving the church was a mutual decision. [/*]

For some reason in the back of my mind I thought I heard something to make me understand that "he" had left the church. I haven't said anything because I don't know where I might have gotten it? But as I have said before I think if we knew the answers surrounding his resigning from the church we might have light shed on possible reasons for his disappearance."jmo"

AMS

03-09-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
I just REALLY wish we would see this back on Greta or Nancy. I am going to email Greta again. I know she hasn't responded to anyone (and I haven't heard back) but I am going to give it another shot.

I am sure Christine was asked to take a poly. Isn't that SOP in the case of a missing person? I am wondering if she took one. Would be interesting to find out. And before I get yelled at I am NOT bashing Christine, just wondering about this. [/*]

Sunday Moon, On Nancy's website there is a way to contact her as well if you want to give it a try. I can't do it because of work restrictions on the use of my computer.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

It's at the bottom of the page. Nicholas' picture is still on her web page.

AMS

need2no

03-09-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by AMS

Sunday Moon, On Nancy's website there is a way to contact her as well if you want to give it a try. I can't do it because of work restrictions on the use of my computer.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

It's at the bottom of the page. Nicholas' picture is still on her web page.

AMS [/*]

I just watched the video again. It seems this is not the FULL interview..at least not what I saw on the original airing of the show. This video cuts off after the only part where CF gets a little teary eyed as she details the last time she talked to NF on Wed.
The next portion of her original TV interview showed her immediately regaining her composure (like turning a light switch) when she went on to answer Nancy's questions, but this part is now missing from Nancy's video at CNN. Interesting this video has been chopped......

Nellie

03-09-2008, 03:09 PM

mc528

03-09-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
I just REALLY wish we would see this back on Greta or Nancy. I am going to email Greta again. I know she hasn't responded to anyone (and I haven't heard back) but I am going to give it another shot.
[/*]

Along this same line, I am a little surprised that this case hasn't been picked up on by any of the other "investigative" or WhoDoneIt" type of programs. IMO, this would be the perfect type of case for one of those shows - like "48 Hours", etc. No matter which of the possible scenarios it would definitely make an interesting (to be read as "high ratings grabber") show. The fact that a healthy, well-liked 28 year old guy just vanished into thin air from a populated area on his way home from work, to bake cookies with his family right before Valentine's Day, would probably garner as much national interest as it has on this and other boards. Maybe the investigative team of one of these types of shows could help to understand which of the following might actually have happened:

1) He left on his own, for personal reasons: Why would he do that? By all accounts, he appeared to have a great life - a devoted wife, two beautiful children, a great job at which he was recently promoted, a fledgling buisness in a great emerging field, a lot of internet connections, and no known enemies or problems. How could someone just walk out on all of that?

2) He left, but for very serious (maybe even criminal) reasons: What could those possibly be? Was he possibly leading a double life, that absolutely no-one knew anything about? Was he somehow involved in a terrorist, militant, or organized crime organization, or knew something about one? Could he have been privvy to, or involved in some sort of illegal activity involving his employer or church?

3) He was the victim of a random act of foul play on his way to his car, or to the store for the sugar, or after: Are there any other reports from the surrounding area that would make this a likely scenario? Any other similar crimes? And how could this have occured and no-one notices? What's wrong with society if a person can be attacked or abducted an no-one notices? How did his car end up where it did?

4) He was the victim of foul play, but it was not at all random: What possible motive would anyone have to cause harm to NF, or want him gone? The total lack of evidence does suggest that if foul play was the reason, that it definitely was calculated, and seems very professionally carried out. It all goes back to "why Nicholas?" Has the FBI (or other government agency) been brought in or consulted in any way?

Just some random thoughts of mine. I just keep thinking this case is the perfect criteria for a t.v. show....so many unanswered questions, and so little known information.

MOO/JMO/IMO

need2no

03-09-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Don't you think Greta and Nancy have a "weird" feeling about this case? [/*]

Yes, I also think they have sources who provide little known inside info. to help them determine which cases should get air time, and updates.

JMO

soyesterday

03-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Along this same line, I am a little surprised that this case hasn't [/*]

That sounds like a great story for one of them shows to do!
You should mail your ideas to them. It's very well written and thought provoking. They might not even know about him.

And oh oh oh another thought....when i saw that you asked "Has the FBI been brought in or consulted in any way?"....i was thinking....what if THEY were involved??? Crazier things have happened! What if they are the reason? He knew something maybe??
I told my husband a little bit about this case and i was saying how i know some of our ideas sound a little "out there" and "not very likely" and he said that i'd be surprised at how much really can and does happen. Even if i t sounds too crazy to be true...things really do happen.
Just a thought.....i haven't seen this thought out there, but i'm sorry if it has already been brought up....

Old Timer

03-09-2008, 03:48 PM

King County sheriff's investigators say there was nothing inside the car to indicate foul play or to point to Nicholas' whereabouts. How confident are we that they dusted the outside and inside for fingerprints, and that no unknown fingerprints were found (that didn’t match up to Nicholas, Christine, or the kids, etc.)?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

Wish Christine or family would contact Texas Equusearch and get them to help with a search of that area. Or use some of that etsy-donated $$ to hire their own PI to snoop around in that condo development.

Who knows, maybe that’s in the works?

AMS

03-09-2008, 03:48 PM

I stumbled upon a blog about N that has not been updated in a while.

http://placenamehere.com/article/308/HaveYouSeenNicholasFrancisco

The owner of the blog describes N as an "old acquaintance from web design circles and forums like Dreamless".

Anyone familiar with the Dreamless forum?

AMS

mc528

03-09-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

That sounds like a great story for one of them shows to do!
You should mail your ideas to them. It's very well written and thought provoking. They might not even know about him.

And oh oh oh another thought....when i saw that you asked "Has the FBI been brought in or consulted in any way?"....i was thinking....what if THEY were involved??? Crazier things have happened! What if they are the reason? He knew something maybe??
I told my husband a little bit about this case and i was saying how i know some of our ideas sound a little "out there" and "not very likely" and he said that i'd be surprised at how much really can and does happen. Even if i t sounds too crazy to be true...things really do happen.
Just a thought.....i haven't seen this thought out there, but i'm sorry if it has already been brought up.... [/*]

Maybe I'll do that.....e-mail some of the other shows. I have to travel cross-country on business tomorrow, but maybe I'll have some time at my hotel early this week to look up how to contact them.

I also thought of a fifth scenario...but my 10 minutes time to edit had elapsed....so here it is:

5) This was all an elaborate, pre-planned, hoax that spun out of control: How could this have been accomplished? What part did all of CF's and NF's internet connections play a part in this story getting as big as it did? What was really supposed to have happened, before it spun out of control? Who else was involved, or knew about it?

MOO/JMO/IMO

figritout

03-09-2008, 04:02 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Along this same line, I am a little surprised that this case hasn't [/*]

I also think you've provided a great outline for a segment on a show like 48 Hours! I definitely encourage you to send it to them. If you do, I suggest you include some links to the various blogs and discussion boards discussing this -- it shows just how much interest there is in it already, and the many various theories that are going around. Also, I would include a link to some of the blogs and news articles about Mars Hill Church because I think the controversy around that church would also be a ratings grabber. I would think they would also want to look at the immediate online fundraising and how people reacted to that.

Yes, I think this is definitely TV-worthy.

AMS

03-09-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by figritout

6 people posted comments on this site and one, about th 4th down merely says "wife did it". I don't know why, but that just struck me as interesting? [/*]

Wow! I didn't scroll down enough to see the comments. That is interesting. Thanks figritout.

AMS

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by AMS
I stumbled upon a blog about N that has not been updated in a while.

http://placenamehere.com/article/308/HaveYouSeenNicholasFrancisco

The owner of the blog describes N as an "old acquaintance from web design circles and forums like Dreamless".

Anyone familiar with the Dreamless forum?

AMS [/*]

I remember reading about that on one of these boards before. Here is some info from Wikipedia (it is actually under the Joshua Davis entry; I'm excerpting just the Dreamless part):

Dreamless
Dreamless.org was the site of a popular Internet forum, hosted by Joshua Davis from 1999 to 2001. Its minimal design, understated Web presence and hidden registration page all added to its intrigue, and for a while it was a gathering source of creativity for many graphic and web designers and programmers. "Photoshop Battles" were a popular activity among forum members, leading into the internet phenomenon now referred to as Photoshop tennis. The community of Dreamless traveled past the boundaries of the Internet — impromptu local meetings ("riots", as Davis called them) were arranged for Dreamless users to meet face-to-face and exchange ideas.

One notorious forum on Dreamless was "08 - Meaningless and Shallow", a topical free-for-all which lead to numerous flame wars, post floods and user-led CSS vandalism. After several "meltdowns" and member disputes, Davis closed Dreamless in July 2001. Since then, many other web designer-based forums arose in its stead, most notably YayHooray.com, Humhum.be, yAUyhooray.com and butt3rscotch.org.

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by figritout

6 people posted comments on this site and one, about th 4th down merely says "wife did it". I don't know why, but that just struck me as interesting? [/*]

Kind of typical that people are going to make inflammatory comments when they're anonymous. Check out the "Sound-Off" sections at the bottom of the stories at www.seattlepi.com about Nicholas's disappearance.

AMS

03-09-2008, 04:12 PM

Thanks ThruThe Trees. I'll poke around those other forums you listed and see if there is anything about N.

AMS

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by cteall
For whatever it is worth I found this on veromi.net:
[/*]

The ages don't seem to match up, do they? Interesting website but the info sure isn't very accurate. I looked myself up and it had me 2 years old than I am :-( and it has my 19 year old son listed as being 35! Of course maybe he put that on a myspace or something somewhere!

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by appledipper
It also seems odd to me that more people haven't spoken out that know him. It makes it appear as if they think he may have walked. I also wonder if he met someone at work since there are probably a lot of young creatives that work there.

The timing of leaving the church, as well as the timing of her telling him about the pregnancy stand out to me.

I wonder if leaving the church was a mutual decision. [/*]

I wonder why more people haven't spoken out too. I imagine there are people from his church and work that are reading these boards and have some theories of their own. I hope some of them decide to register and post some of their ideas here anonymously, because hearing from people who know him or them could add another dimension of understanding here.

field of snow

03-09-2008, 04:26 PM

http://voxpopnetwork.com/lifeonmars/group-listings/

This is very odd. I know someone pointed out to me the other night that there was a Mars Hill group meeting on Thursdays in Federal Way. I just went to go get that address from that listing and compare to the condo address and now i cannot find it in their listing??

EDITED TO ADD:
NEVERMIND..found it...

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Maybe I'll do that.....e-mail some of the other shows. I have to travel cross-country on business tomorrow, but maybe I'll have some time at my hotel early this week to look up how to contact them.

I also thought of a fifth scenario...but my 10 minutes time to edit had elapsed....so here it is:

5) This was all an elaborate, pre-planned, hoax that spun out of control: How could this have been accomplished? What part did all of CF's and NF's internet connections play a part in this story getting as big as it did? What was really supposed to have happened, before it spun out of control? Who else was involved, or knew about it?

MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

48 Hours lists an email contact address: 48hours@cbsnews.com.

Also, for anyone that's interested, there is a transcript of last night's 2-hour special on a story that has local (Washington state) connections: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/06/48hours/main3914454.shtml

mc528

03-09-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I also think you've provided a great outline for a segment on a show like 48 Hours! I definitely encourage you to send it to them. If you do, I suggest you include some links to the various blogs and discussion boards discussing this -- it shows just how much interest there is in it already, and the many various theories that are going around. Also, I would include a link to some of the blogs and news articles about Mars Hill Church because I think the controversy around that church would also be a ratings grabber. I would think they would also want to look at the immediate online fundraising and how people reacted to that.

Yes, I think this is definitely TV-worthy. [/*]

If I do get the time to do the research and send e-mails, I'll definitely include links to various sites to aid in their back-ground. Since I do have to actually "work" while I'm out in Oakland (and will spend the better part of two of the next three days on airplanes), I'm really not sure how much time I'll have. If anyone else would like to contact any of the t.v. or other media outlets......feel free to use my two posts here. If not, then I'm sure I can find some time next week to send this off to a couple of places.

field of snow

03-09-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

oh, ok, I couldn't find the address. Did you Mapquest it to see how close it is to the condos? [/*]

3.1 Miles

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=123+S.+340th+Street,+Federal+Way,+WA&daddr=33756+32nd+Ave+SW,+Federal+Way,+WA+98023&sll=47.300595,-122.373812&sspn=0.007203,0.017874&ie=UTF8&z=14

SeattleEddie

03-09-2008, 04:45 PM

well Howdy, thanks for remembering me RainyNtTex! I was out in the field with no time to read the thousands of posts. I travel a lot for work and just work and sleep when I'm away, it's a whirlwind.

Hey, I should have been looking for Nicholas! I was in South America and Europe. It completely slipped my mind.......

I'm thinking more and more that he left of his own accord, and the wife knows it. It's interesting that the description of the marriage is changing over time. You all have probably seen the article in the Seattle Times yesterday, where she admits that the marriage "wasn't perfect." I also suspect LE also knows much more than they are telling. It's obviously not a high priority case.

Sorry if you all have covered these ideas before, I've missed a lot of posts.

Danette44

03-09-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by mc528

If I do get the time to do the research and send e-mails, I'll definitely include links to various sites to aid in their back-ground. Since I do have to actually "work" while I'm out in Oakland (and will spend the better part of two of the next three days on airplanes), I'm really not sure how much time I'll have. If anyone else would like to contact any of the t.v. or other media outlets......feel free to use my two posts here. If not, then I'm sure I can find some time next week to send this off to a couple of places. [/*]

If that is Oakland California - be safe and please always watch your surroundings.......high crime area.

figritout

03-09-2008, 04:57 PM

Hi all. I have been spending quite some time reading everything I can regarding MHC. There is some really frightening stuff out there. And again I am wishing I knew why NF resigned, man I just have a gut feeling it is important.

Silver_Dove

03-09-2008, 05:00 PM

A thought, I don't think the dogs not getting anything mean much. I don't know if it is the wind or the damp but it just seems if they bring out the dogs more then a few hours after the person was there they just don't seem to pick up anything. Put them out an hour or so and they track like champs.

I still really believe that he just walked away. First looking at twitter it doesn't seem like he "loved" his job even if he didn't hate it. Also if they give you titles but not raises I'm not sure how happy he would be for how long.

Things the C said make me think she might have on some level thought that he might leave. If you don't find him these kids will have no father. If he was going to run he would have stop and picked us up. So what if he had talked to her about wanting to leave and she had just refused to listen just like she does with all the posts saying anything she doesn't want to hear. Maybe after all the time of trying to tell her with her just getting mad and not talking about what was going on he just left one day.

Also even from what she said he had to be running long days and it had to wear on him after a while. Think a normal day was him getting up with the kids, feeding them, bringing her coffee (even though he didn't drink it), going to work, stopping off to pick up stuff, then home to bake cookies plus talking to her all day on the phone. Even if he did all this because she was "working her second job" it seems like a lot of help for a job we now found only was making costs. Also where in this day was what she did for him? I have heard lots of how great he was to her but what was he getting from it other then kids and more kids?

Also she says his pay pal account didn't have nearly what he normally makes in it. What if he had already started a new bank account and a new pay pal account? He could still be doing free lance work and still have money coming in that no one knows about yet.

Now grow a beard and maybe glasses and who is going to notice?

I really think at this point Occam's razor comes into play and he walked away makes the most sense.

AMS

03-09-2008, 05:23 PM

OK - I admit I had to look up "Occam's razor". Here's what I found. "OR often paraphrased as "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities."

I agree. Always thought he walked away. IMO, I still think that something happended that he could not face himself, based on his perceptions of who he was supposed to be (societal/religious). Another woman? A man? IMO - he could have thought it was easier to run than to face what people thought of him.

This just keeps sticking with me.

AMS

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 05:49 PM

Forgive me :) if this link has been posted before. I just came across it -- some interesting comments about Mars Hill Church, including their position on homosexuality [warning, some of the comment language is a bit "crude" in places]:

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=4209

figritout

03-09-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Forgive me :) if this link has been posted before. I just came across it -- some interesting comments about Mars Hill Church, including their position on homosexuality [warning, some of the comment language is a bit "crude" in places]:

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=4209 [/*]

Hi there! I read it in one of my searches. UGH! Also discovered that their annual budget to run this church is in the millions. Not million but millions. Monthly budget is around $900,000. Lot's more intersting stuff. But if something had happened that would threaten this type of income.. jmo..

DAH it was in this same blog...

dianaelaine

03-09-2008, 11:27 PM

Anybody here?

Pam

03-09-2008, 11:30 PM

Everything that I've read about that church just makes me say .... Wow :o

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Anybody here? [/*]

Oh, hooray, we're back! What happened? Guess I will have to scan back and see what got deleted from today.

Gosh I was about to go sign up for websleuths, just so I can keep talking about this. Hmm. Not sure why this case continues be so compelling. Some good comments over there too though today.

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I was looking over there, too, today, TTT. They are as creative as this board with the possibilties of what could have happened to him. Lots to read. [/*]

I thought the comment by the guy who identified himself as gay was especially interesting. Did you see that?

Makaylah

03-09-2008, 11:47 PM

Hi need2no:

I noticed that yesterday as well while watching the video again.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn

Here is the link to the cached transcript of the show that night. Scroll down a ways to find the interview. There is quite a bit of info that was removed from the video.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:7DWANSuYnoAJ:transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html+%22christine+francisco%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=56&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

Originally posted by need2no

I just watched the video again. It seems this is not the FULL interview..at least not what I saw on the original airing of the show. This video cuts off after the only part where CF gets a little teary eyed as she details the last time she talked to NF on Wed.
The next portion of her original TV interview showed her immediately regaining her composure (like turning a light switch) when she went on to answer Nancy's questions, but this part is now missing from Nancy's video at CNN. Interesting this video has been chopped...... [/*]

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I was wondering if anybody had noticed any changes in the "Get the Facts" blog. I don't remember that part about the car not being "finished" and fingerprints not coming back yet. [/*]

That's definitely new today. Thanks for the heads-up.

Christine, if you're reading this, a lot of us are wondering about the church and why you and Nicholas left 2 days before he disappeared?

Wrenn

03-09-2008, 11:49 PM

I am also very curious about this church in relation to this case. I wonder who from the church has an address at or near the condo where the car was found.

I also can't get past the storage unit thing. I know from Christine's blog that the sighting was dismissed but I can't recall hearing why from any other source.

Did the Fransisco's rent a storage unit? Was it the same one where this mis-sighting took place?

Where is this storage facility in relation to the condo area? Does anyone renting a storage unit there have an address at or near the condos?

Silver_Dove

03-09-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I was wondering if anybody had noticed any changes in the "Get the Facts" blog. I don't remember that part about the car not being "finished" and fingerprints not coming back yet. [/*]

That is new today. I think it is just her last hold out for something happening to him rather then that he might have left her.

figritout

03-09-2008, 11:53 PM

Hi All, After the last few days of posting(my first days as a new poster)about my thoughts on the church and feeling it was falling on many deaf ears I am relieved to see that, hey, maybe I am not crazy. Let's go with it folks and try to get some answers.

field of snow

03-09-2008, 11:54 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by cteall

What did this guy say? [/*]

I think we are not supposed to cut and paste to here from other blogs, right? The gist of it was that while you can't really tell someone is gay from appearance alone, that this guy felt from the first time he saw Nicholas's posters that it was a "distinct possibility' and that he looked more like a "gay friend or uncle" in the family photos. Just one person's opinion, but I thought it was interesting.

The post is at this link (p 19 of the thread), 10th post up, by "SeattleGuy" at 9:03 pm

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61165&page=19

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Umm, no. I think when I stopped reading it was 19 pages. How far did it go? [/*]

It's the 10th one up from the bottom on this link:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61165&page=19

SeattleGuy at 9:03 pm

figritout

03-09-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Christine, if you're reading this, a lot of us are wondering about the church and why you and Nicholas left 2 days before he disappeared? [/*]

Yes, Please take the time to enlighten us.. It could be more important than you ,right now, believe.

My prayers and thoughts are with you and yours...

ThruTheTrees

03-09-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by figritout
Hi All, After the last few days of posting(my first days as a new poster)about my thoughts on the church and feeling it was falling on many deaf ears I am relieved to see that, hey, maybe I am not crazy. Let's go with it folks and try to get some answers. [/*]

I wonder why she won't address it, when she has responded to so many other things that have been brought up on the boards. It makes me think there is something significant there that she doesn't want to say, or, she's afraid of the church maybe?

soyesterday

03-10-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by YellowRose49

Men have done stranger things when they are upset. Women who love their children have left them (often for a man, but sometimes because they think they might be better off without them for whatever reason). The thing is NONE of this makes any sense.
In my gut, the condo complex and the church are of great significance. If the car had simply been left there, I can say that this may not be true, but the very fact that it appeared three days later and was moved is indicative of several things:
1. He went to that condo complex and was either there in hiding, thinking nobody would know (and he may have parked in the condo owners spot initially) he was there,
2.OR someone who lived there is involved in his disappearance. I would check the owner of the initial parking spot and go from there.
3. CF may have had someone knock off her husband (someone she was involved with?), knowing his usual MO of leaving work and where he was to go, etc., and needs all the "sympathy money" to pay this person. Wild thinking, but it could be.
4.Of course, on the other side of the coin is that she had absolutely nothing to do with his disappearance. [/*]

I've actually thought of your number 3 before......that the money could maybe be to pay off a hitman.....
but yeah i know it sounds crazy too.......
and so does my idea about the government being involved i guess.....

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Beth

Thanks, TTT. Wouldn't be the first time I read that inference. [/*]

Yeah, I just thought hearing it from a gay man made the inference a bit more "legitimate" somehow. JMO.

figritout

03-10-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I wonder why she won't address it, when she has responded to so many other things that have been brought up on the boards. It makes me think there is something significant there that she doesn't want to say, or, she's afraid of the church maybe? [/*]

I don't know that right now, after this much time, that these sites are as important as they at first were to her. This is a young person that truly I think for the first time is realizing that her life is forever changed..

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by figritout

I don't know that right now, after this much time, that these sites are as important as they at first were to her. This is a young person that truly I think for the first time is realizing that her life is forever changed.. [/*]

yes, you may be quite right about that. I guess we will see what else she updates on her blog. The idea that she added the part about the car and fingerprints because that's a sort of last hope (? "hope" might not be the right word!) that it was foul play, not that he left her, does make sense in that scenario too. I suppose prints could lead to closure too if they find a perpetrator as a result.

figritout

03-10-2008, 12:19 AM

I hope that she will be open to what we are asking her about the church..

I am so sad about this whole situation and the way it has played out. Call me devils advocate, but this person has been put through, on this blog and others, the worst character assassination I have ever personally witnessed. Have opinions, think the worst, but never forget there could be another scenario.

I in my posts, I hope, I have addressed things without making judgments, but in an open ended venue to look for answers. I am on the side of right, but without all the facts I will not make assumptions and judge. "death by character assassination" I hope to never be linked to.

Sorry had to put that out there.

So, with that said. Christine please talk to us, we want to find the answers to what happened to NF.. What happened with the church?

Nellie

03-10-2008, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

That's definitely new today. Thanks for the heads-up.

Christine, if you're reading this, a lot of us are wondering about the church and why you and Nicholas left 2 days before he disappeared? [/*]

I can't speak for Mars Hill.

But I belonged to a church I left for some very controversial reasons and they pretty much made you feel like if you spoke against them.....you were speaking against the Holy Spirit. There was a definate "code of silence" from anyone left there and anyone who left. It showed me how cults work. (I'm NOT saying Mars Hill is a cult). Just saying people sometimes are fearful to tell what they know about a church or their reason for leaving,as it would * "grieving the Holy Spirit". I wonder if that church taught that. It was a "don't touch thy annointed" type of thing.

Silver_Dove

03-10-2008, 12:26 AM

Sorry I just can't buy the church having anything to do with it. There have been so many people leaving or speaking out against this church and over 6000 members why the only one they kill is NF who hasn't said anything. Seems to me like a whole bunch of people would be buried next to NF if I believed he was dead but I don't I still come back to he walked away.

field of snow

03-10-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

I can't speak for Mars Hill.

But I belonged to a church I left for some very controversial reasons and they pretty much made you feel like if you spoke against them.....you were speaking against the Holy Spirit. There was a definate "code of silence" from anyone left there and anyone who left. It showed me how cults work. (I'm NOT saying Mars Hill is a cult). Just saying people sometimes are fearful to tell what they know about a church or their reason for leaving,as it would * "grieving the Holy Spirit". I wonder if that church taught that. It was a "don't touch thy annointed" type of thing. [/*]

But this issue has come up enough here that given her history of answering every other topic brought up, it just seems odd that she doesn't just say "we left the church to search for another that better fits our family's needs". She can comment on/respond to whatever she wants (or not), of course. But even she has to admit that we cannot help but be curious by the omission at this point.

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Sorry I just can't buy the church having anything to do with it. There have been so many people leaving or speaking out against this church and over 6000 members why the only one they kill is NF who hasn't said anything. Seems to me like a whole bunch of people would be buried next to NF if I believed he was dead but I don't I still come back to he walked away. [/*]

Well I don't think the church would have had him killed! I just think some of us are trying to figure out why they decided to leave, and whether that reason was somehow related to NF leaving/disappearing.

I mean, if I heard "oh we found another church that we really liked and decided it was time for a change" then I wouldn't think too much about it. Or, "we decided to look for a church closer to home, or one with a *live* minister instead of a video" etc.

But I read somewhere that they had been attending a "North Seattle gathering" and I don't know if that had been for awhile or just a couple times, so maybe after deciding to switch churches, the "resigning" was just a formality. But it was Christine herself that noted the date they resigned -- Feb 11. Which was 2 days before he disappeared. So it seems a little coincidental.

field of snow

03-10-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Sorry I just can't buy the church having anything to do with it. There have been so many people leaving or speaking out against this church and over 6000 members why the only one they kill is NF who hasn't said anything. Seems to me like a whole bunch of people would be buried next to NF if I believed he was dead but I don't I still come back to he walked away. [/*]

Unless he overheard/saw something while working on the website/newsletter (or whatever he did there) in the church office. As I mentioned before, i've worked in church offices (as recent as the past 6 months). Things aren't always pretty there and sometimes the Higher Ups forget that there are ears there that shouldn't hear stuff. Especially when things get heated. There is enough money rolling through that church to not turn off this even small possibility.

That said, I am more likely to believe a sermon at church (my vote is the Feb 3 Sexual Sin sermon) set off a catalyst of him acting funny, wanting to resign from MH and ending with his leaving with his shameful (perceived by him) personal conflict.

Wrenn

03-10-2008, 12:36 AM

I would think that if Nicholas had info so sensitive to the church that they would kill because of it, that Christine's life would be in danger, too.

I'm leaning more towards a random act of violence.

need2no

03-10-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

But this issue has come up enough here that given her history of answering every other topic brought up, it just seems odd that she doesn't just say "we left the church to search for another that better fits our family's needs". She can comment on/respond to whatever she wants (or not), of course. But even she has to admit that we cannot help but be curious by the omission at this point. [/*]

"we left the church to search for another that better fits our family's needs"

Actually I am surprised she hasn't said exactly what you are suggesting...it's not like we'd know whether it was true or not.

kpb

03-10-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Sorry I just can't buy the church having anything to do with it. There have been so many people leaving or speaking out against this church and over 6000 members why the only one they kill is NF who hasn't said anything. Seems to me like a whole bunch of people would be buried next to NF if I believed he was dead but I don't I still come back to he walked away. [/*]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Perhaps he knows something that could break the church that the others didn't know that have spoken out against the church in the past.

Or as I said before, perhaps a higher up or top member of the church was getting a little too friendly with Christine and it wasn't appreciated. Perhaps since her husband is missing they are calling/attempting to visit to counsel/console her.

Or maybe they left for completely innocent reasons and something happened AFTER Nicholas' disappearance.

In the early days after his disappearance there was a forum online that was supporting the family with a bunch of pertinent links. The church was "originally" on the links, but was asked to be removed. I think Christine gave the link for her former church originally, but can't be certain. But if so, why would she give it and then want it removed shortly thereafter.... something had to have happened with the church to want it removed.

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by field of snow

But this issue has come up enough here that given her history of answering every other topic brought up, it just seems odd that she doesn't just say "we left the church to search for another that better fits our family's needs". She can comment on/respond to whatever she wants (or not), of course. But even she has to admit that we cannot help but be curious by the omission at this point. [/*]

Maybe she is still getting spiritual support or other support from the church and doesn't want to burn any bridges.

Silver_Dove

03-10-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by kpb

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In the early days after his disappearance there was a forum online that was supporting the family with a bunch of pertinent links. The church was "originally" on the links, but was asked to be removed. I think Christine gave the link for her former church originally, but can't be certain. But if so, why would she give it and then want it removed shortly thereafter.... something had to have happened with the church to want it removed. [/*]

I needed letters from a minister one time (long story not part of this) so I went to my grandmother's church the only way he would help was if I started going to his church every Sunday. Went to another that I had been to now and then and the minister wrote it right away no questions asked.

Now I'm guessing the church jumped in to help as a way to draw her/them back into the church. Also having read some of what that church teaches they could have easily been saying it was her fault he was gone because she hadn't been a good wife which we can be sure CF wouldn't have stood for even to get "help" from them.

need2no

03-10-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Wrenn
I would think that if Nicholas had info so sensitive to the church that they would kill because of it, that Christine's life would be in danger, too.

I'm leaning more towards a random act of violence. [/*]

NF could have run because he was afraid of retaliation, or exposure from the church. Maybe they had a confrontation and things were said, threats made, that NF took seriously. It doesn't have to involve CF at all, so need for her to fear.

Could you explain your thoughts about a random act of violence.

figritout

03-10-2008, 12:54 AM

NF left the church and within two days he disappeared?

Please, why did he leave the church Christine?

If I knew from you there was nothing there I could move on. But until I get the answer to this question I am going to hang on like a dog with a bone. And if I don't get answers from you, or here... I am going to go to every length I can to find them... Even if in the end they lead to nothing. But why won't you at least address this question?

seattlematt

03-10-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Beth
She just updated again. [/*]

OH SNAP! ... thats freaky...

Hi CF! This case has me so intrigued! Would love to chat with you about it.

seattlematt

03-10-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Wow! Just WOW. 30 steps behind the police? [/*]

According to the Seattle Time's article, they are slowing down... so we have a day to catch up.

soyesterday

03-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by seattlematt

OH SNAP! ... thats freaky...

Hi CF! This case has me so intrigued! Would love to chat with you about it. [/*]

Oh my word.....
she really is reading!
Now we have no doubt! She said our name!!!!!!

Pam

03-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by seattlematt

OH SNAP! ... thats freaky...

Hi CF! This case has me so intrigued! Would love to chat with you about it. [/*]

Took the words right out of my mouth ;)

need2no

03-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Wow! Just WOW. 30 steps behind the police? [/*]

Hey that's good news...maybe they have some good leads.

soyesterday

03-10-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Wow! Just WOW. 30 steps behind the police? [/*]

Does that mean we are close or far away???

need2no

03-10-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by seattlematt

According to the Seattle Time's article, they are slowing down... so we have a day to catch up. [/*]

:D

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:05 AM

Funny thing about LE, they are 30 steps ahead of us forum board sleuths yet they haven't even completed processing Nicholas' car and they've had it how long?? Seems processing that car would be a pretty important piece of this puzzle, but hey what do I know.

Silver_Dove

03-10-2008, 01:05 AM

She is also deleting anything she can access. His twitter account is gone and also his flickr account.

field of snow

03-10-2008, 01:06 AM

As the World Turns......

And on that note, I am going to bed.

I hope the dude decides to call her tomorrow and get this over with.

Silver_Dove

03-10-2008, 01:09 AM

Okay I found the twitter again but the flickr has been cleared out.

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:23 AM

Someone is talking trash about us over at WS (post #508), which makes me wonder why CF isn't upset with those posters. I would certainly expect her to be reading there as well.

seattlematt

03-10-2008, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Why would anyone be erasing their web tracks, esp if they thought their husb was dead? Who would erase his presence and why?? She has no right actually to do that. Where is his laptop and I wonder if his email accts have been having any signs of activity.....of course we dont know that now do we
:eek: [/*]

what if he trys to log in to update someone with his whereabouts????? (i.e. Michael Donavan)

isitme

03-10-2008, 01:33 AM

WS has that honorable mention now.

She has added a note of thanks.

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Hey that's good news...maybe they have some good leads. [/*]

Yes, that's encouraging isn't it, that we are getting that close to the police. Oh. Except. She's been saying the police don't have anything. So we're 30 steps behind "nothing"? Hmm.

In fact, I think the police may be quite a few steps ahead of someone else who's reading here...

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Beth
need2no, I'm not sure that's talking trash. Sounds like somebody might be a little jealous that it was this board that C was directing her comments to? Maybe it's just that we're getting closer to the truth. Maybe tomorrow they'll get an honorable mention or something. [/*]

You got it.

:biggrin: Honorable mention....now that's funny!

Note the poster mentioned she can't access this board...why would she want to post with fruitcakes? :D

soyesterday

03-10-2008, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by need2no
Someone is talking trash about us over at WS (post #508), which makes me wonder why CF isn't upset with those posters. I would certainly expect her to be reading there as well. [/*]

Um.....they called us names over there!!!!!!

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Oh goodness. Looks like she added again and it's not so good for the "bronze" team. [/*]

You are cracking me up Beth.

:patriot: for the bronze team...

figritout

03-10-2008, 01:45 AM

Christine if you are reading this board please read my post on the 5th page, I believe. If you are here please pm me...

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Yes, that's encouraging isn't it, that we are getting that close to the police. Oh. Except. She's been saying the police don't have anything. So we're 30 steps behind "nothing"? Hmm.

In fact, I think the police may be quite a few steps ahead of someone else who's reading here... [/*]

I suppose that's better than 50 steps behind "nothing." lol

So was she telling the truth in the recent Seattle Times article and her blog, or is she telling the truth now?

I wonder if the detective has returned from his vacation?

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by Beth
Oh goodness. Looks like she added again and it's not so good for the "bronze" team. [/*]

Personally I don't get what she's complaining about. Most of the discussion this evening at least has been about what might have happened at the church that caused them to leave -- or simply, WHY did they leave the church -- 2 days before Nicholas disappeared, as Christine herself posted on Etsy? I don't think a sincere interest and concern about an admittedly controversial church, one that Nicholas had done volunteer work for more than 2 years, is "bashing".

As for Web Sleuths, they've been talking about the same things we have, just often a day or two behind. (kidding, I'm just kidding! am I?) But today for example, the same question came up of "when or how can Christine get a divorce" that we were talking about last night or the night before. I suppose that isn't "Christine bashing", that is "Christine supporting"? Someone posted there that she wouldn't get as many donations if she got divorced (not sure if that's true anyway though) -- that might be a little "bashing"?

Anyway. The part about her erasing her husband's twitter account is kind of creepy (JMO, no bashing intended). The photos I understand -- at least the ones of the kids. But someone's online comments?

figritout

03-10-2008, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by figritout
I hope that she will be open to what we are asking her about the church..

I am so sad about this whole situation and the way it has played out. Call me devils advocate, but this person has been put through, on this blog and others, the worst character assassination I have ever personally witnessed. Have opinions, think the worst, but never forget there could be another scenario.

I in my posts, I hope, I have addressed things without making judgments, but in an open ended venue to look for answers. I am on the side of right, but without all the facts I will not make assumptions and judge. "death by character assassination" I hope to never be linked to.

Sorry had to put that out there.

So, with that said. Christine please talk to us, we want to find the answers to what happened to NF.. What happened with the church? [/*]

Christine this is the post I was referring to...
My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours, just looking for answers..

Makaylah

03-10-2008, 01:47 AM

Nancy Grace Video and Transcript

Hi need2no:

I noticed that yesterday as well while watching the video again.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/be...s.francisco.cnn

Here is the link to the cached transcript of the show that night. Scroll down a ways to find the interview. There is quite a bit of info that was removed from the video.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...lient=firefox-a

quote:Originally posted by need2no

I just watched the video again. It seems this is not the FULL interview..at least not what I saw on the original airing of the show. This video cuts off after the only part where CF gets a little teary eyed as she details the last time she talked to NF on Wed.
The next portion of her original TV interview showed her immediately regaining her composure (like turning a light switch) when she went on to answer Nancy's questions, but this part is now missing from Nancy's video at CNN. Interesting this video has been chopped...... [/*]

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Beth
I just don't get it, need2know. If my daughter-in-law were sitting at a computer, addressing a bunch of strangers who were on a discussion board trying to piece together what happened to my son, I'd be beside myself. Do i think there's something wrong here? You bet I do. [/*]

It IS pretty strange...

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Personally I don't get what she's complaining about. Most of the discussion this evening at least has been about what might have happened at the church that caused them to leave -- or simply, WHY did they leave the church -- 2 days before Nicholas disappeared, as Christine herself posted on Etsy? I don't think a sincere interest and concern about an admittedly controversial church, one that Nicholas had done volunteer work for more than 2 years, is "bashing".

As for Web Sleuths, they've been talking about the same things we have, just often a day or two behind. (kidding, I'm just kidding! am I?) But today for example, the same question came up of "when or how can Christine get a divorce" that we were talking about last night or the night before. I suppose that isn't "Christine bashing", that is "Christine supporting"? Someone posted there that she wouldn't get as many donations if she got divorced (not sure if that's true anyway though) -- that might be a little "bashing"?

Anyway. The part about her erasing her husband's twitter account is kind of creepy (JMO, no bashing intended). The photos I understand -- at least the ones of the kids. But someone's online comments? [/*]

I know Christine is computer savvy, but I wonder if she has ever followed any other cases on one of the boards. Perhaps she feels she has been singled out or treated different than others in her situation, which isn't true. If she would take a look at one of the other threads maybe she would feel better about some of the posts which question some of her words and actions...this happens in every case. Not to mention the fact that the spouse is always looked at in these cases...it's to be expected.

need2no

03-10-2008, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Makaylah
Nancy Grace Video and Transcript

Hi need2no:

I noticed that yesterday as well while watching the video again.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/be...s.francisco.cnn

Here is the link to the cached transcript of the show that night. Scroll down a ways to find the interview. There is quite a bit of info that was removed from the video.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...lient=firefox-a

quote:Originally posted by need2no

I just watched the video again. It seems this is not the FULL interview..at least not what I saw on the original airing of the show. This video cuts off after the only part where CF gets a little teary eyed as she details the last time she talked to NF on Wed.
The next portion of her original TV interview showed her immediately regaining her composure (like turning a light switch) when she went on to answer Nancy's questions, but this part is now missing from Nancy's video at CNN. Interesting this video has been chopped...... [/*] [/*]

Thank you, I had planned to go back and look for this at Nancy's site but I never got around to it.

Makaylah

03-10-2008, 02:05 AM

You're welcome need2no.

One correction to my post. The link for the cached version doesn't link to the correct transcript...(at least not for me anyway)
Try this one:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

What I find interesting is the parts that were cut from the video are:
tip line number, reward info, car being found in Federal Way and being moved about, mention of sugar and Costco, info about the phone records, references to how far away the car was found from the house, and also callers comments :shrug:

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 02:11 AM

"Posting my address and deed to my house isn’t going to find Nicholas." -- from Christine's blog

Did that happen here? I don't remember seeing that.

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Makaylah
You're welcome need2no.

One correction to my post. The link for the cached version doesn't link to the correct transcript...(at least not for me anyway)
Try this one:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

What I find interesting is the parts that were cut from the video are:
tip line number, reward info, car being found in Federal Way and being moved about, mention of sugar and Costco, info about the phone records, references to how far away the car was found from the house, and also callers comments :shrug: [/*]

Well that is weird. I can't imagine why Nancy wouldn't make sure the tip line number and reward information was on there. Of course she does have the Missing Person poster and info on her site, last I looked.

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
"Posting my address and deed to my house isn’t going to find Nicholas." -- from Christine's blog

Did that happen here? I don't remember seeing that. [/*]

No, the honorable mention group get 'credit' for that.

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by need2no

No, the honorable mention group get 'credit' for that. [/*]

Ok, yeah, I do remember reading it over there. Though technically it wasn't the deed to the house. Those are no longer in the public record in King County due to privacy concerns (they often show ssn's so someone sued to take them offline). As I recall it was just the recording of the sale, which did include the address. But that's quite readily available through many sources without posting on boards.

isitme

03-10-2008, 02:20 AM

I know we have the answer about the resignation from Mars Hill but I have a quick question. Does anybody know when the that fact was FIRST revealed. By whom and in what context?

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Beth
It wasn't here. It was the other fruitcakes that did that and I actually 100% agree with her on that. That was uncalled for. [/*]

I agree. The internet can be a great tool, but it can also be very damaging in other respects. Seems nothing much is private anymore.

seattlematt

03-10-2008, 02:26 AM

From CF Blog:

"I WILL NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT DOESN’T HAVE TO DO WITH NICHOLAS AND THE CASE."

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Is that an open invitation to some direct questions that are not charged or slanted? Just searching for facts based?

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by isitme
I know we have the answer about the resignation from Mars Hill but I have a quick question. Does anybody know when the that fact was FIRST revealed. By whom and in what context? [/*]

The church article about Nicholas, even though they are no longer members .................

Then I think CF said the part about when they resigned.

ThruTheTrees

03-10-2008, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Envision

I believe that was first mentioned by the church when they put up their first blog about Nicholas missing. [/*]

I remember seeing it on another blog that was about Mars Hill (the "Rise & Fall" one), and at first the Franciscos were identified as members of the church, then someone posted that they no longer were. I'm pretty sure this was even before the church statement, because that came a few days later and some people complained that they should have done something sooner. I do recall that many of the searchers were church members and some of the searches were coordinated at the church.

isitme

03-10-2008, 02:32 AM

So the information was originally posted by the church and not CF?

isitme

03-10-2008, 02:38 AM

More information on the latest update.

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I remember seeing it on another blog that was about Mars Hill (the "Rise & Fall" one), and at first the Franciscos were identified as members of the church, then someone posted that they no longer were. I'm pretty sure this was even before the church statement, because that came a few days later and some people complained that they should have done something sooner. I do recall that many of the searchers were church members and some of the searches were coordinated at the church. [/*]

Well let me spit this out and then I'm off to bed.

When I read one of the church articles and it started off saying something like even though the Francisco family are no longer members we want to do whatever we can to help... That struck me as a very crude and unnecessary comment, what was the point of mentioning they were no longer members? Good Christians don't give a rip if you are a member of their congregation or not, they are always willing to reach out and lend a hand to assist their fellow man.

To me it came off sounding hollier than thou..even though they aren't members any longer we are such wonderful people we will still help them anyway. What does this say about the leadership in that church.

need2no

03-10-2008, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by Beth
There certainly is more information there and I remember that statement, too, need2know and thought the same thing. What difference does it make whether they were active members or not? I thought it was in extremely poor taste and if i recall, it was mentioned more than once.

I'm off too bed too. Still hoping Nicholas is safe and warm. [/*] I SECOND THAT.

:seeya: Night Beth and all my fellow fruitcakes.

Silver_Dove

03-10-2008, 02:56 AM

I agree off to bed and good night and sleep well fellow fruitcakes.

I still hope N left and is alive and will rethink things and return to be his kids daddy.

SeattleEddie

03-10-2008, 06:04 AM

Looks like this board is turning in to a support group for the wife, instead of its original function. There's definitely something wrong when a "victim" turns to online boards and strangers for support, rather than family and friends.

It's not possible to control everything in the world. Public personalities know that it's fruitless to read everything that's written about them, and it's even more perverse to attempt to control the nature of the comments made about them.

The wife is not a public personality and does not have the skills or experience to deal with the attention the case has garnered, but her reaction is a telling indicator nonetheless.

There are some interesting points about this instant "fan club," but it's up to more discriminating readers to figure them out.

RainyNiteNTx

03-10-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Beth
You know what else I just noticed? That picture of their son and the dog that somebody here had commented about has been removed.

(Oops, didn't finish my thought there) [/*]

I'm the one that brought up the picture of the baby and the dog. To me it symbolized everything pure and innocent in this world. One of the sweetest pictures I've ever seen. Maybe I upset her with my requests for Texas Equusearch. Oh well, my objective has never changed and that is in some small way, to see if something - anything will lead to Nicholas.

SeattleEddie

03-10-2008, 06:21 AM

And one more thing: folks, you really don't have to apologize when you theorize about what may have happened. This is a
crime board. We read the information that's available, and we try to fit the pieces together the best we can.

For cryin' out loud, how would you feel if you had to apologize every time you had an original thought? Think about it.

RainyNiteNTx

03-10-2008, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by SeattleEddie
And one more thing: folks, you really don't have to apologize when you theorize about what may have happened. This is a
crime board. We read the information that's available, and we try to fit the pieces together the best we can.

For cryin' out loud, how would you feel if you had to apologize every time you had an original thought? Think about it. [/*]

I saw this very thing happen on another board, and there have been a couple of times it has happened here. It dilutes the purpose of this crime forum.