Discussion - March 8th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

I just finished reading the Seattle Times Article. Thanks Rainy for posting it.

Again, I'm dumbfounded by her choice of words. Maybe that's just the type of person she is. I don't know but she comes across, at least to me as rude and heartless.

I've never been in her situation so I don't know how I'd react but to say bloggers are gossiping about her and are acting like junior high school kids is just bizarre. The other is believing her husband was murdered. I have been following missing persons cases for a while now and families always have hope even when there is evidence of foul play. They never give up. And lastly is her obsession with money and finances. I understand it's not easy for her but to say "his disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning"?? Just wow.

I continue to pray Nicholas is safe and reunited with his beautiful children. I haven't lost hope and I'm a total stranger. :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Morning n/t and all :seeya:
TTT posted the article - just wanted to give credit where credit is due :)

I have to say that this is probably the first time I've been disheartened about this case, and it was after reading the article about her and her comments. If the people closest to him have no hope and publicly announce it, then why will the world even take a moment to glance at his picture on a missing persons flyer? Why will anyone continue to search physically? I was very disappointed in that article.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Morning n/t and all :seeya:
TTT posted the article - just wanted to give credit where credit is due :)

I have to say that this is probably the first time I've been disheartened about this case, and it was after reading the article about her and her comments. If the people closest to him have no hope and publicly announce it, then why will the world even take a moment to glance at his picture on a missing persons flyer? Why will anyone continue to search physically? I was very disappointed in that article. [/*]

It makes one wonder, doesn't it. I don't understand how she could believe he was murdered when there is no evidence whatsoever of foul play. Then she goes on to say but she understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily.

Obviously, LE hasn't ruled out anything at this point so why is Christine believing the worst. I'd rather believe my husband and father of my children may have run off on me and maybe reunite with his children one day than to think he was dead.

Is it easier for her to accept the worst, maybe?

Very very bizarre.

[RainyNiteNTx]

If he is alive, anything is possible if he did leave. There is a lot of family support, friend support, counselors, psychologists, etc. to help. Personally I would have to hold fast to hope and my faith.

n/t - sent you a pm

[dianaelaine]

Good Morning Folks! :D

OK, after reading the latest article, here's some things that popped out at me:

1. Saying that SHE went on searches

2. Believing he was murdered

3. NOW saying they didn't have the perfect marriage ... just how bad WAS it really?

4. You can't sit in a corner your WHOLE life? What? It's only been 3 1/2 weeks!

5. Donations that have trickled in to help her will run out. The 'trickled' part makes it sound like she received barely nothing, and I believe she got quite a bit of donations.

GOSH, I guess I'd STILL be actively looking, putting his picture out there and everywhere ... every interenet site I could, etc.

If it were me, I'd seriously consider that my husband left me, or needed a break in life .. before murder.

Gosh ... I don't know WHAT to think now!

[AMS]

Good morning,

My 2 cents:

"After 3-1/2 weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home." Wow! If someone in my family were missing, I would never lose hope. I don't understand it.

"...didn't have a perfect marriage but he wouldn't abandon the children." This struck me as stange. She didn't include herself.


IMO this is odd, but I am not in her situation. This makes me think that he did leave willingly. If I had a hunch my husband left willingly, maybe after 3-1/2 weeks I would lose hope that he would come back. If I had no clue as to how he disappeared, I'd never give up hope.

AMS

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Amaryllis


Yep I noticed all those things too.......I do think he met with foul play.and I do think it was by someone he knew and trusted......Maybe not her ....but he knew them that's why everything is so neat and tidy........It set's my hinky meter up......And her saying after only three and a half weeks .......Life must go on? WTH is up with that.........and the police is already scaleing back.........If this was a woman they would still be looking and also looking at the husband/boyfriend.......Geez this is crazy.......MOO!:rolleyes: [/*]

Amaryllis, If he works in Seattle, lives in Seatac and his car was found on Federal Way. One has to wonder why he would pass his home in Seatac and continue going down I-5 to Federal Way, 19 or so miles further down the road? Sounds to me like he did head home. W/out the sugar or so it seems. I'm getting suspicious now.

[flyingfox]

Look this is really out there but after reading that article it just popped into my head and I fully expect that I am going to be :punch: over it, but here goes anyways and it is MOO

I think that a man that both CF & NF knows is involved and something has happened to NF. Maybe it is foul play like she says, now she wants to move on with her life, ? with someone else? why else would you move on from the love of your life so quickly? :shrug: And the about turn on their perfect relationship, absolutely turning her back on all the people who donated to her on etsy and elsewhere. Something just is so wrong here I want to barf

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Amaryllis


Exactly.......That's what I'm saying.....Something is wrong with this picture......This cookie thing sounds made up to me........I really don't think he ever was going to get sugar or he forgot it.........Something is wrong......MOO! [/*]


Yes, the path for which Nick would have taken, leads me to think the answer to his disappearance has nothing to do w/Seattle, then you start adding other stuff in and go :o

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I just found the article in the Seattle Times, now I have to go read it. From the looks of the title I have a feeling it's a woe is Christine article but I could be wrong.

[flyingfox]

Ok, I am trying to get this married up with the new info

Nick left work
unlikely that he really did go get sugar (see point about car below MOO)
came home
???
reported missing
plea for help on etsy
plea from ??? for money
car is found in wrong direction, not on way home from work or costco
continued statements from CF that they had a ?perfect (can't remember the word she used) marriage
CF did not go out to searches or vigils
CF on many blogs/boards regarding NF and disputing any post that did not fit with their perfect family life
CF pregnant, just, when he left
No sign of foul play in the car or near his work premises
Left their church 2 days prior
may or may not have had financial problems, depends on who CF was talking to

Now CF changes story about their marriage and that donations are only trickling in and also she now wants to move on with her life as she can't sit in the corner forever

have I missed something here? :shrug:

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by flyingfox


have I missed something here? [/*]

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/Seatac+WA/Federal+Way+WA/

[desmom]

Good Morning!

I read the news article http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html and watched the video http://www.king5.com/video/featured-index.html?nvid=225425 .

I am glad to see she is going to get some type of guidance on her financial situation. Hopefully she will be able to figure out how to handle their finances and keep the house. I would hate to see the children's lives have another major change.

I hope Christine considers some type of counseling for their children especially their daughter. IMO, she is old enough to understand a lot of what has happened. There are going to be some major changes in their little lives and a little professional guidance may help them with the changes.

It is also good to know Nicholas' employer is still sending his paychecks, but they will not be able to do that forever. Hopefully they will carry Christine and the kids on their medical insurance until after the baby is born.

A lot of people are not familiar with crime boards and how cases are taken apart piece by piece by posters. IMO, the gossip Christine speaks of is the scenarios and possibilities that many have considered while trying to piece this all together hoping to hit on something that will lead to finding Nicholas.

Before anyone jumps on some of the sensitive issues that were discussed, crime is not pleasant and and sometimes unpleasant possibilities have to be discussed.

People go missing every day. Some are victims of crime and others just decide to walk away. It is sad to see the pain that is inflicted on their family and friends when a loved one is missing...and the day to day no knowing what happened.

Unfortunately, financial obligations demand the family members return to the daily grind. Their missing loved ones always weighing on their minds and praying today will be the day.

I hope Nicholas is found so this family can have some closure to his disappearance and all their unanswered questions.

jmo

[huskiki]

Ok, I've read the article and the sentence that sticks out the most to me is this one:

"She believes Nicholas, her husband of seven years, was murdered, but she also understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily."

IMO JMO MOO I think she understands why he may have disappeard voluntarily because she knows he did. That's why she's moving on. Can you imagine if Beth Twitty gave up on Natalee after only 3 and 1/2 weeks. Even Scott Peterson kept up his charade for longer than 3 and 1/2 weeks.

And this artile also sounds like yet another attempt to get some sympathy money from the public. Pathetic if you ask me.

It was good to find out that Publics is still paying Nicholas' salary. So if she was still getting his salary why was she so desperate?

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[n/t]

desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away?

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by huskiki
Ok, I've read the article and the sentence that sticks out the most to me is this one:

"She believes Nicholas, her husband of seven years, was murdered, but she also understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily."

IMO JMO MOO I think she understands why he may have disappeard voluntarily because she knows he did. That's why she's moving on. Can you imagine if Beth Twitty gave up on Natalee after only 3 and 1/2 weeks. Even Scott Peterson kept up his charade for longer than 3 and 1/2 weeks.

And this artile also sounds like yet another attempt to get some sympathy money from the public. Pathetic if you ask me.

It was good to find out that Publics is still paying Nicholas' salary. So if she was still getting his salary why was she so desperate?

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [/*]

exactly, what is not being said? there is a big piece of the puzzell being kept secret, and it is why 'they' are not looking anymore IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t
desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away? [/*]

I'm not Desmom but the only thing that comes to mind is that people will quit looking for him. We will quit discussing it and chalk it up to another tragedy and move on to another case.

For Nicholas wherever you are :rose:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm not Desmom but the only thing that comes to mind is that people will quit looking for him. We will quit discussing it and chalk it up to another tragedy and move on to another case.

For Nicholas wherever you are :rose: [/*]


That's a good point Rainy!

But that leads me to another question. If she believes her husband is dead then wouldn't she want someone to find his body? Why would you just say oh well, I must move on and leave your dead husbands body unaccounted for?

None of this adds up BUT my laundry does. I'll be back in a bit.

[n/t]

Have any of you followed any other missing person's case where fianances and money became priority over finding their loved one?

That's the impression I got from Christine. Like I said, I realize it must not be easy having to raise 2 children and another on the way but hey, people sacrifice and make do. I've been a single mom for 18 years and all I had was a measly $400.00 a month child support payment from my ex for 2 kids. They were 3 and 2 when I divorced. I also realize that there are other families in worse financial situations.

Christine has friends, family to support her. I guess I don't understand her "poor" me attitude. What about Nicholas? Your loving husband and father of your two children.

To go on to say, "his disappearance hasn't made the world stop spinning", doesn't sound like a loving wife who cares very much about her husband. Heck yeah. My world would stop spinning if one of my loved ones turned up missing!! I'd be devestated.


IMO!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

Statements quoted are Christine's words and not made up by the reporter.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

The REPORTER that wrote the article is using CHRISTINE's words. There's no plea for anyone to find her supposed dead husbands body. That's just wrong in my book. IMO JMO Some caring wife she is. But then again, she can understand why LE thinks he could have left voluntarily.

[flyingfox]

my world would stop spinning if my husband dissapeared, and it would not not start again for a long time.

I guess I just don't understand her thought processes. Money is nothing, family is everything. My family would not see me out on the street, so finances would not be at the top of my list above finding his body if I really thought he was dead.

But, that is just me and eveyone is different :hat:

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

[/*]

I am going to choke on my Cornflakes and agree with you on that point. I've had a few feature articles written about me and every single one had the context messed with by misplacing of quotes and rewording of what I really said during the interviews.

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t
desmom,

Can you explain to me why Christine would rather believe Nicholas was murdered than walked away? [/*]

Hmmm, if I had to guess....

Maybe it is easier for her to believe he was murdered than it is to believe he would leave her and the children.

:shrug:

jmo

[n/t]

Does anyone know if the coworker who was the last to have seen Nicholas was a male or female?

[flyingfox]

I don't think it has every been reported, may be that info will be on their main update site, the mailpen one? :shrug:

[Sunday Moon]

Good morning!

I have been keeping up somewhat here but have been quite busy this past week and haven't really posted much. But now I am armed with a cup of coffee, the pets are relaxed, and the husband is out and about so I have some "me" time for a bit!! :D


I just read the article linked here and....whoa. I wavered back and forth this week on what I think could have happened. I first thought Nicholas disappeared voluntarily, then I thougt he couldn't stay away this long without contacting SOMEONE so I suspected foul play. I then thought about suicide as a possibility. I posted my thoughts on that the other day and did mention that even the most cheerful, together people suffer with severe depression and don't show it and can commit suicide. Then I went back to foul play. Now...I don't know what to think. That article was really bizarre. I am not saying Christine knows anything but her REACTIONS are what are strange. She might know as much as we all do but to give up after 3 1/2 weeks? To think he's been murdered? There is absolutely no evidence of murder. Why think that? There are people whose loved ones have been missing for YEARS and they still hold out hope that their loved ones will walk in the door again. I couldn't ever give up until I had concrete proof of the death of a loved one. I just....don't get it. Maybe she's in denial but if that were the case she would be in denial about MURDER, not mentioning that as the only possibility. I don't know what to think. I wish there was some clue, anything. I wish I didn't live in PA because I would do something if I were closer. I wish we would hear from his family again. I did see him mom once on FOX but I would love to hear from her and his sisters again to hear their thoughts. I am VERY curious about their relationship with Christine. When his mom called her "the wife" I got the impression that they weren't close.

[n/t]

Originally posted by snowfield


I am going to choke on my Cornflakes and agree with you on that point. I've had a few feature articles written about me and every single one had the context messed with by misplacing of quotes and rewording of what I really said during the interviews. [/*]

Well, that would be grounds for a lawsuit. Unless the reporter or Seattle Times prints something to retract their statement or admit they were misquoting, I'll believe the article and whatever is quoted " is what Christine said in her own words.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I don't see anything at all wrong with the article and nothing suspicious. The article was written by the newspaper REPORTER and NOT BY Christine. Most of the things you all are attacking her for was was written by a Newspaper REPORTER and she used her words, HER interpretation not necessarily CHRISTINE'S. If you really want to solve a crimes and not just gossip and tear people apart the first thing you MUST learn is Newspapers are notoriously wrong about the facts they report .

You can not make a person guilty by gossip, "a feeling", a "dream" . All it does is show what kind of person you are NOT the person you are gossiping about. [/*]

Snowbird, which part of the article do you think needs corrected?
Which part do you think is messed up?

[decor]

1. Saying that SHE went on searches.....
do any of know that she didn't go on any searches at all? or maybe the reporter took the liberty of stating this without asking and just assuming.

2. Believing he was murdered......I think she truly believes that he may have wanted to leave her but would never leave his kids so she truly believes that something happened to him.

4. You can't sit in a corner your WHOLE life? What? It's only been 3 1/2 weeks!....

she has several choices.....she can go into a depression
she can realize that life is going to move on with or without her so she has to move with it especially because she has kids. I am sure she will still look in her own way but if she just languishes it doesn't do anyone any good and I have to agree with someone that posted yesterday. You can only look in so many places and if you can't come up with anymore then there is no where else to look.

[desmom]

LE often puts out "facts" with a twist hoping to trip up anyone that may be involved in an investigation. They also study news article and video interviews looking for any little slip up in the conversation.

IMO, Basically it comes down to the public deciding which facts are accurate and which facts are not or they can wait for the trial.

jmo

[Nellie]

This is the strangest missing person case I've followed.
That articled cleared up some questions in my mind.

1. She is still receiving his paycheck, so there was no change in their financial situation. So, the desperate pleas for money were just that....please for money....not a NEED caused by his dissappearance. So, it's just as I suspected....it was an opportunity.

2. She made up her mind he was murdered from the very get-go.
I have to wonder why. At first it was because she was his "world" and he'd never leave her. Now that has changed to "our marriage wasn't perfect" but he'd never leave his children. Well, in the beginning she also said he would never leave HER. I still think he took off, but going on the theory that he'd never leave his children, then I do sit here now wondering if she has made up her mind from the get-go that he was murdered.....because she KNOWS he was!

3. She has always seemed angry with him to me. And she still does. Now it's like "Well, he's dead and I have to go onl".

4. If I believed my husband was murdered, I certainly would not be understanding of the police not taking more action! I'd be on their butt to find my husband!!!!

5. She's been more concerned about money than Nicholas from the beginning, imo.

6. "Bills must be paid". Well, in my opinion, her financial status has not changed since he left. So, thanks to Nicholas and strangers that donated a trickling of money to her, her bills are being paid.

I think this article just confirmed for me what I already suspected about. I have always believed she never expected him to come home. Now I find myself asking why she believed that from the get-go. And now I find myself asking if he maybe did meet with foul play and Christine was involved. She just seems to be too accepting that he's gone and on top of that, too accepting that he'd been murdered and too ready to move on.
And she's made Nicholas just look like a "meal ticket". She just sounded so cold in that article, imo.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Snowbird


.....

On this very board she was told to move on maybe she took your advise. Now you criticize for following your advise. I have been reading this board throughly for days and the majority said she can't set on the couch for ever she needs to move on. Give me a break, I have very GOOD reading comprehension skills and not a lot of problems with memory. [/*]


Hmm..I never said that. Maybe one or two did. I do agree that your reading comprehension skills are different than the rest of us.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I guess I just don't get excited easily or go off about people over a newspaper article. Guess I'm kind of detached and found nothing in the article to cause all this criticism of Christine. If you read two different articles on the same subject there will be differences because of the AUTHOR. You have too know that if I do.

On this very board she was told to move on maybe she took your advise. Now you criticize for following your advise. I have been reading this board throughly for days and the majority said she can't set on the couch for ever she needs to move on. Give me a break, I have very GOOD reading comprehension skills and not a lot of problems with memory. [/*]

Ok, I have very GOOD reading comprehension too.
So, what part are we getting wrong Snowbird?
I can read that she has given up hope and life goes on and bills have to be paid and she believes he was murdered and her financial status did not change the day Nicholas went missing and we're all acting like Junior High kids.

Now, what part of that do you comprehend differently? I'd like to hear your translation of it.

[dianaelaine]

Yes, and her saying in the first interview SO early on ... that it was a 'wife's intuition that it was foul play ... is strange.

[field of snow]

I haven't accused the reporter in this case of misquoting. I just shared my experience with quotes taken out of context. I agree that context or not, CF still said all that was quoted, including that she thinks he was murdered.

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by Snowbird


She is not here to defend herself so it would be very one sided if you all had your way. I will continue to defend her until there are FACTS that she has done something wrong. When that happens then I will stop defending her against all this ridicules gossip.

At this time I see her as a young pregnant Mother of two, left alone too care for her children which is her "job". [/*]


And most people involved in the crimes that are discussed on a CRIME board are not here to tell their sides. Until they are and even IF they are, I choose to post my thoughts and beliefs and encourage others to continue doing so. You can post your thoughts without yelling at everyone. I am hardly going to censor my feelings on this case because I might hurt Christine's feelings. It's that pesky little First Amendment thing, you know?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Nellie
This is the strangest missing person case I've followed.
That articled cleared up some questions in my mind.
[/*]


Nellie.....I think you're in my head. Your post is the exact same thoughts I had after reading that article. ;)

[decor]

the 1st amendment of free speech really pertains to talking out against our government without the fear of persecution.

I am not sure why people take it to mean they are allowed to say anything to anyone and about anyone without any consequences. If this was the case then people would not be able to sue for slander.

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by decor
the 1st amendment of free speech really pertains to talking out against our government without the fear of persecution.

I am not sure why people take it to mean they are allowed to say anything to anyone and about anyone without any consequences. If this was the case then people would not be able to sue for slander. [/*]
This board is for open discussion. It almost sounds like you want people to censor their posts here. Sorry, censorship is a little creepy to me. I am posting my thoughts as are other people here. I am not posting anything as fact unless it IS a fact so I am hardly guilty of slander or libel.

[decor]

I agree with Snowbird about reporters.
My BIL is a Dr. and is good friends with, and went to school with another Dr. that is a little famous. 60 minutes did a report on the famous Dr. and now neither that Dr. or my BIL or his family will watch 60 minutes because they twisted and turned everything so that there was so much misinformation there was nothing close to the truth by the time they got finished.

Why didn't they do anything about it? I don't know, I never asked.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Diana: It called balance. Whenever a group of people are supporting one view, there will always be someone who feels a need to change the conversation to support the other person being discussed. It's a need that most of us have which is to be fair.

If you started a new thread with this in mind, it would soon change direction to reflect both views. [/*]

Sure, I understand THAT .. but gosh, why come back with a defense for EVERY single comment made about the case, whether it be about C or not.

It's how I liken it to a case, a crime, an autopsy ... taking apart the evidence, or lack of, and looking at every little possibility.

What if one of us crack the case, because we were able to be objective and think of something that LE didn't?

I guess I'm saying ... that it's annoying to keep seeing the same defense for every little idea we come up with .. and people need to learn to 'detach' from the emotional side to analyze a case.

OK .. I'm gonna go eat some cookies now!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor
I agree with Snowbird about reporters.
My BIL is a Dr. and is good friends with, and went to school with another Dr. that is a little famous. 60 minutes did a report on the famous Dr. and now neither that Dr. or my BIL or his family will watch 60 minutes because they twisted and turned everything so that there was so much misinformation there was nothing close to the truth by the time they got finished.

Why didn't they do anything about it? I don't know, I never asked. [/*]

decor, I understand that news reporters can get it wrong. So, if this article had put Christine in a better light, would you still feel maybe they got it wrong? What part do you or others think might be wrong in the article? I keep asking that but not getting an answer. We finally have some news and now it's being deemed as "false news".

Which part do you think the reporter got wrong?
1. She is still receiving Nicholas' paycheck? Wrong?
2. She believes he is dead. Wrong?
3. They didn't have a perfect marraige, but he wouldn't leave his kids? Wrong?
4. She understands why LE thinks he may have fun off? Wrong?

Which part do some of you think the reporter has wrong? I'm not willing to throw the article out because some of you don't like the way Christine comes across in it. Actually, she comes across the same as she does online. Something is wrong with this case!

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie


decor, I understand that news reporters can get it wrong. So, if this article had put Christine in a better light, would you still feel maybe they got it wrong? What part do you or others think might be wrong in the article? I keep asking that but not getting an answer. We finally have some news and now it's being deemed as "false news".

Which part do you think the reporter got wrong?
1. She is still receiving Nicholas' paycheck? Wrong?
2. She believes he is dead. Wrong?
3. They didn't have a perfect marraige, but he wouldn't leave his kids? Wrong?
4. She understands why LE thinks he may have fun off? Wrong?

Which part do some of you think the reporter has wrong? I'm not willing to throw the article out because some of you don't like the way Christine comes across in it. Actually, she comes across the same as she does online. Something is wrong with this case! [/*]

I already said that the reporter may have assumed that Christine went on searches when she didn't. But we all understood she hadn't but maybe she did.
I didn't say the reporter was wrong I just said that you can't take a story for gospel.
Even in our own local paper no one believes what they read until they can verify it. It is just the way it is.

[n/t]

Going back on topic. I believe LE should do the following.

1) Reinterview the coworker who was last seen with Nicholas.

2) Get the search dogs out again. I would say the same places they've already searched to see if anything is found. Who knows, maybe Nicholas was back there for whatever reason. And the Costco area.

3) Get access to all his computer records. Both personal and work.

4) Search the house.

5) Give Christine a polygraph.


IMO!

[need2no]

Ok I've got to toss in my 2 cents about updates in the article.

While I certainly can agree it is being realistic and responsible to think about finances and your future when you have 2 children to raise and another one on the way regardless of what you think happened to your hubby, here's where I have a problem-

The whole point in the community, family, friends, co workers, and strangers near and far providing meals, care packages for the children, sitting with Christine, entertaining the children, perhaps running errands for her and cleaning her house, AND making donations large and small is to take the burden off of the grieving woman. To allow her not to have to concern herself with these mundane or stressful tasks while she is upset, sad and worried about her husband. To allow her time to take in all that has happened and mentally come to grips with it.

We now know NF's employer is still paying his salary, we know the church and Etsy has made donations including selling many items with the profit going to CF, we know there was some kind of art show with a donation box, we can assume family, friends, and concerned compassionate strangers have donated after reading the story about NF. So...financially Christine should be way ahead of where she was 3 1/2 weeks ago, even with shutting down her internet business which she says was just breaking even anyway. That is unless they were up to their eyeballs in past due debt. I am also confident she could work with their creditors to postpone or reduce payments under the circumstances.

So for a woman (receiving lots of assistance) after a mere 3 1/2 weeks who claims she thinks her husband met with foul play would start talking about giving up hope and moving on....
Geez wouldn't she even want to know who murdered her husband and why if she loved him..I know I would. Where is the anger and concern about that? How can you just accept something like this and move on?

Heck I could understand this better if she was now in the hole financially after 3 1/2 weeks because all she had to get by on was what they had in the bank after he left, but that is not the case here.

So do we really think the pregnant mother of 2 young children is planning to seek outside employment less than a month after her DH vanished? Is she mentally/emotionally able to handle a job? Unless she has someone caring for the children for free she probably wouldn't make much more than enough to cover daycare for two, and then she would be out of work for weeks after the baby is born and have daycare for 3. What a mess, and I'll leave it at that for now.

My hinky meter is blasting off the chart.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


decor, I understand that news reporters can get it wrong. So, if this article had put Christine in a better light, would you still feel maybe they got it wrong? What part do you or others think might be wrong in the article? I keep asking that but not getting an answer. We finally have some news and now it's being deemed as "false news".

Which part do you think the reporter got wrong?
1. She is still receiving Nicholas' paycheck? Wrong?
2. She believes he is dead. Wrong?
3. They didn't have a perfect marraige, but he wouldn't leave his kids? Wrong?
4. She understands why LE thinks he may have fun off? Wrong?

Which part do some of you think the reporter has wrong? I'm not willing to throw the article out because some of you don't like the way Christine comes across in it. Actually, she comes across the same as she does online. Something is wrong with this case! [/*]

I'd like to know the answer to those questions too. :seeya:

[decor]

dianaelaine

I realize now that you probably felt that because I copied your responses that I was "attacking" you.
This was not the case. I felt you had raised good points and wanted to respond how I personally felt about each of your points. I did not mean it as a personal attack on you.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


I'd like to know the answer to those questions too. :seeya: [/*]

I responded at 3:39

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no
Ok I've got to toss in my 2 cents about updates in the article.
. [/*]

People in similar situations had no choice but to continue to work and support their families. I don't see why Christine can't get a job outside the home. Single moms do it all the time. Yeah it's a sacrifice but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Nellie]

Ok, we have the article, so it's natural to discuss what is in the article. I really don't understand why the article is being discredited. We've been waiting on some kind of an update, whether we like it or not.

So, I want to discuss the information in the article...rather than whether the reporter mis-reported it. In any case I've ever followed, people discuss the information found in a new artice.

I have always said the fund raising bothered me from the get-go.
I always said it was too much too soon.
I think this article proves that.
Christine is still receiving his pay, so their finances are better off now than they were BEFORE he left. She's even going to a financial advisor, which makes me wonder just how much money she gleaned from the fund raising. I think it's more than a trickling myself. I've always thought she was receiving quite a large amount of money from this fund raising, only because I've seen it before and know this type of thing brings in a lot of money.

I find it rude for her to call it a "trickling".
I was interested to see if she'd be grateful in the article and acknowledge her online community (not by name) and all of the help they have given her. She did not. Instead she only mentions the donations as "trickling in". And I do believe that is how she desribed the donations to the reporter. I don't think the reporter would assume she was only getting a trickling. It just sounds so ungrateful. I've always thought she immdiately saw an opportunity and seized it....I've even questioned if anyone really talked to her sister....and I've always thought there was too much focus on money. She seemed more worried about the money than finding Nicholas. Still does, imo.

The money has always bothered me.....

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


I responded at 3:39 [/*]

3:39? I'm not sure what that is.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I don't know that and neither do you. How accurate was the newspaper in Brianna's case. The newspapers STILL do not match the news release on the LE site about Brianna and people are still trying to figure out the way it happened from the newspaper articles instead of "from the horses mouth" so to speak and actually just by the official LE site.

I can see some of you doing exactly the same, whatever suits your way of thinking has to be true, doesn't matter what is fact , if I don't like it that Way it has to be my WAY. Good Luck [/*]

I trust that if Christine was misqouted in ANY way, she will clarify that on her blog. Probably today.

[scubagirl]

Here's my problem.....if ANY of my friends or family members - let alone my husband - were missing I would spend every waking minute searching for them. Can't a family member watch the kids for a few hours a day while she goes out and tries to get clues?

The police just don't care as much as you do (for the most part). When my apartment was broken into, they were clueless. But within one day of thinking of every potential scenario - I found out who did it. I realized a prized CD set was among the items taken and decided to call all the used CD stores around to alert them and ask them to call if anyone tried to bring in a set like that to sell. Well - it worked - and we found out who stole everything. But the police wouldn't have cared or put in that kind of effort because to them - it wasn't personal.

If she really cared about her husband and her family as much as she says she does - she would be thinking of every angle and would be asking for as much help as possible. And even if their marriage wasn't perfect - she should be honest and upfront and give any potential lead - as small as it may be - to people who can help. But instead....it seems to be about the money and paying bills. And she seems to put up a front - I don't think she's being honest. Maybe she's not being honest with herself (if he did run off). But the only way to find out what happened is to think outside the box and explore every potential thing you can. Hit the pavement....walk around where he worked with flyers and pass them out....talk to everyone on the street. Heck - I would even go door to door in the apartment complex where the car was found and pass out flyers and talk to everyone possible. Whatever it takes - I would do it. I just can't comprehend why she ISN'T doing these things.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


3:39? I'm not sure what that is. [/*]

the time stamp on my post.

this was why I asked why the posts weren't numbered. :)

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, we have the article, so it's natural to discuss what is in the article. I really don't understand why the article is being discredited. We've been waiting on some kind of an update, whether we like it or not.

So, I want to discuss the information in the article...rather than whether the reporter mis-reported it. In any case I've ever followed, people discuss the information found in a new artice.

I have always said the fund raising bothered me from the get-go.
I always said it was too much too soon.
I think this article proves that.
Christine is still receiving his pay, so their finances are better off now than they were BEFORE he left. She's even going to a financial advisor, which makes me wonder just how much money she gleaned from the fund raising. I think it's more than a trickling myself. I've always thought she was receiving quite a large amount of money from this fund raising, only because I've seen it before and know this type of thing brings in a lot of money.

I find it rude for her to call it a "trickling".
I was interested to see if she'd be grateful in the article and acknowledge her online community (not by name) and all of the help they have given her. She did not. Instead she only mentions the donations as "trickling in". And I do believe that is how she desribed the donations to the reporter. I don't think the reporter would assume she was only getting a trickling. It just sounds so ungrateful. I've always thought she immdiately saw an opportunity and seized it....I've even questioned if anyone really talked to her sister....and I've always thought there was too much focus on money. She seemed more worried about the money than finding Nicholas. Still does, imo.

The money has always bothered me..... [/*]

I agree and I pointed that out also. It always seems to be about money and their finances and not about Nicholas. I just don't get it.

And you are correct. With any case, we discuss articles and what's being reported. This is not any different.

Not sure who mentioned it earlier but I would love to hear from his mom and his sisters. I wonder if they'll comment about Christine's statement that she believes he was murdered. As a mom, I'd be devestated thinking my DIL thought my son was dead. JMO!

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t
Going back on topic. I believe LE should do the following.

1) Reinterview the coworker who was last seen with Nicholas.

2) Get the search dogs out again. I would say the same places they've already searched to see if anything is found. Who knows, maybe Nicholas was back there for whatever reason. And the Costco area.

3) Get access to all his computer records. Both personal and work.

4) Search the house.

5) Give Christine a polygraph.


IMO! [/*]

Can I take the liberty of adding to your list-thank you. :D

6) subponea Nicholas' personnel file at work

7) interview the pastor and a few members of the congregation

8) review credit bureau reports

9) interview the Francisco neighbors

10) obtain a list of incoming and outgoing phone calls to the Francisco house over the past 3 1/2 weeks


That's my input for now, but I'm still thinking......

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


the time stamp on my post.

this was why I asked why the posts weren't numbered. :) [/*]

LOL. I'm on Eastern time and that's why I couldn't understand what you meant. I'll go look for it. Thanks. :D

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t


I agree and I pointed that out also. It always seems to be about money and their finances and not about Nicholas. I just don't get it.

And you are correct. With any case, we discuss articles and what's being reported. This is not any different.

Not sure who mentioned it earlier but I would love to hear from his mom and his sisters. I wonder if they'll comment about Christine's statement that she believes he was murdered. As a mom, I'd be devestated thinking my DIL thought my son was dead. JMO! [/*]

n/t. Do you know where Nick's parents live.

Trying to reach you by pm. :D

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no


Can I take the liberty of adding to your list-thank you. :D

6) subponea Nicholas' personnel file at work

7) interview the pastor and a few members of the congregation

8) review credit bureau reports

9) interview the Francisco neighbors

10) obtain a list of incoming and outgoing phone calls to the Francisco house over the past 3 1/2 weeks


That's my input for now, but I'm still thinking...... [/*]

Yes absolutely. And if anyone else has anymore to add to the list. Those are good ones, need2.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I trust that if Christine was misqouted in ANY way, she will clarify that on her blog. Probably today. [/*]

I trust that you are correct. She may also clarify a few other things after reading here.

[n/t]

Originally posted by AJandTam


n/t. Do you know where Nick's parents live.

Trying to reach you by pm. :D [/*]

I don't know why my pop doesn't work when I get a PM. It does when I'm work but not on my home computer. :confused:

Sorry about that Tam. I think his parents are in Washington and his sisters are in Oregon, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, maybe someone else knows.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


LOL. I'm on Eastern time and that's why I couldn't understand what you meant. I'll go look for it. Thanks. :D [/*]

I read somewhere on this site that the time stamp should automatically show the time in my time zone is this correct? because it doesn't. It is about 5 hours ahead of me which is very confusing.

[flyingfox]

Has anyone thought about why she is keeping their online life out of the media? Why not have it knowen? Jobless? well she does have her online business and either she was lying when she said it was going well, or she is now when she say's it only covers costs.

Why has she done the frosby flop on many of her earlier assertions, and why is she keeping things secret? I have the feeling that it is what she is not saying that is the important thing that will lead to NF, I just can't think of what it is...

[dianaelaine]

Scubagirl: ABSOLUTELY!!!

I SO want to post on Etsy, about her still getting his paycheck .. but I know I'll be shut down. I wonder now, how many who read that article, will feel way different about her, than they did before?

I so agree with you! How in the HECK can she just say he must have been murdered and just let it go???

What you said about the LE not being 'personally' involved in cases, was SO true! It's their job yeah, but it's NOT their family. So yeah, it's up to YOU to get personal and keep on going ... WAY past 3 1/2 weeks!

And yeah, not to acknowledge the community that helped her so much, and thank them ... WRONG!

I'm so torn!!!

[decor]

Originally posted by flyingfox
Has anyone thought about why she is keeping their online life out of the media? Why not have it knowen? Jobless? well she does have her online business and either she was lying when she said it was going well, or she is now when she say's it only covers costs.

Why has she done the frosby flop on many of her earlier assertions, and why is she keeping things secret? I have the feeling that it is what she is not saying that is the important thing that will lead to NF, I just can't think of what it is... [/*]

the question about saying her business is doing well when it isn't.

all businesses do this. if you say your business is not doing well it puts a negative spin on your business. I was taught to always say my business was good whether it was or wasn't.

The gov't. gives you 5 years to start making a profit. If after 5 years there is not profit them it is considered a hobby but even the gov't. knows it takes most businesses that long to see a profit.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


I read somewhere on this site that the time stamp should automatically show the time in my time zone is this correct? because it doesn't. It is about 5 hours ahead of me which is very confusing. [/*]

You have to go adjust it in your profile. It doesn't automatically show up as your time zone.

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t


People in similar situations had no choice but to continue to work and support their families. I don't see why Christine can't get a job outside the home. Single moms do it all the time. Yeah it's a sacrifice but you gotta do what you gotta do. [/*]

Oh I completely agree, (and I did it), my point was I don't think that is truly her plan, do you? But her financial crisis should evoke some additional sympathy from the public.

;)

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by decor


the question about saying her business is doing well when it isn't.

all businesses do this. if you say your business is not doing well it puts a negative spin on your business. I was taught to always say my business was good whether it was or wasn't.

The gov't. gives you 5 years to start making a profit. If after 5 years there is not profit them it is considered a hobby but even the gov't. knows it takes most businesses that long to see a profit. [/*]

ok, I understand that one, but the rest of my questions????

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


You have to go adjust it in your profile. It doesn't automatically show up as your time zone. [/*]

BLESS YOU! I now have the correct time. I am also in the eastern time zone :)

[decor]

Originally posted by flyingfox


ok, I understand that one, but the rest of my questions???? [/*]

sorry fox all the other questions you asked can only be answered by Christine so I can't answer them.

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't know why my pop doesn't work when I get a PM. It does when I'm work but not on my home computer. :confused:

Sorry about that Tam. I think his parents are in Washington and his sisters are in Oregon, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, maybe someone else knows. [/*]


Do we know anything about Christine's parents? Are they there for her and the children?

[field of snow]

Has anyone listened to the full audio of the Feb 3 Mars Hil sermon and "Ask Anything" topic regarding sex and sin?

I did and I can imagine it was uncomfortable for more than a few sitting in those churches listening.....and here is a Moo O' Mine:

What if it was the catalyst that leads NF to leave? Was he feeling guilty of an affair or thoughts of an affair (emotional affair chatting with someone online, for example). Was he having sexual identity issues? Or other self conflicting issues he picked up from this hot topic of a sermon?

What if he tried to fix his guilt or conflict issues by convincing CF to leave the church finally? It could have been something they've even talked about before, but now was the time to do it.

But even leaving the church wasn't enough to make his internal conflicts stop so the day before Valentine's when all "Good Husbands" should already have something special picked out for their wives, the guilt of whatever he has going on internally was too much for him. He had to get away and it was now or never. He let his cell phone she always called him on die out so he would feel guilt when the phone rang reminding him of what he did. He may have called up his secret friend/lover (friend = someone unknown to CF maybe, platonic to NF, but knew of his struggles...maybe they met online?) and arranged to be picked up or maybe they left the car there later when they realized people were looking for him.

His cell phone may have been dead on purpose because he didn't want to talk to CF. Maybe she always called om

Maybe he thought CF would just think he left her and didn't think ahead that she might call police and report him missing. He is already ashamed of whatever is wrong with him and having his face on the news as a missing husband might add so much more shame that he is as frozen as she is with him missing.


Again, just a theory and Moo and all that jazz. The only fact in this story is that MH Church did have that subject as a sermon and CF and NF left the church 2 days before he disappeared. And then he disappeared on the day before Valentine's Day without a cell phone charged and working.

[Nellie]

I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis.

Why were they in a crisis a few days after he went missing?
They had the same amount of money that day that they would have had the day before he left. So how did his dissappearance throw them into a finanicial crisis?

If they were in a financial crisis, then they were in that crisis BEFORE he left.

Finding out his paychecks never stopped has confirmed what I thought from the get-go....

[dianaelaine]

11. Have an undercover cop hang out around the area of his work, Safeway, Cosco and where his car was found.

Have them be appear as the homeless, or whatever .. and watch, listen and learn.

12. If there are any bars in the area, where gangs hang out ... another undercover cop sitting, listening, learning.

13. A group or at least 2-3 people, INCLUDING Christine, handing out flyers, asking, talking .... around ALL the areas.

14. Rent a dog to take around to all areas he was or could have been.

15. Strip that car clean ... and look in every little nook and cranny. That's for Christine I mean.

[decor]

I think another difference people need to remember about Beth Holloway and Christine is
1. age difference. age makes a huge difference. things you might do when you are older you probably wouldn't have done when you were younger.

Being young you put a certain amount of faith into LE and them following thru. As you get older you realize this is far from the case and that a lot of it lies directly on you.

2. Beth's children were grown. Christine has young kids that have to be a top priority so all of her energy cannot go into just Nick.

3. money and resources. Beth seem to have far more than Christine to work with.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor
the 1st amendment of free speech really pertains to talking out against our government without the fear of persecution.

I am not sure why people take it to mean they are allowed to say anything to anyone and about anyone without any consequences. If this was the case then people would not be able to sue for slander. [/*]


Christine even said she is reading the crime boards. Do you think she just wants to read people expressing pity and concern for her and her children or Nicholas?

With so few clues in this case, surely Christine should understand why everything is being scrutinized.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by n/t


I don't know why my pop doesn't work when I get a PM. It does when I'm work but not on my home computer. :confused:

Sorry about that Tam. I think his parents are in Washington and his sisters are in Oregon, if I'm not mistaken. If I'm wrong, maybe someone else knows. [/*]

Thanks n/t. I wish his parents alot of strength.

[Nellie]

From Etsy...
Christine is sick and just trying to be alone and stay off the internet for a while. She is sick too. I asked what she needed and she just said that money is the best thing now. Since she is unable to run her Etsy business she has no source of income at all......"

No source of income? Did she really say this? I just know it was posted and now I know that is not true....that she still has Nicholas' income.

[decor]

Originally posted by need2no



Christine even said she is reading the crime boards. Do you think she just wants to read people expressing pity and concern for her and her children or Nicholas?

With so few clues in this case, surely Christine should understand why everything is being scrutinized. [/*]

I think she does this for several reasons.

1. to know that she is being supported and is not alone.

2. to see if maybe someone did come up with something she didn't think of.

3. if she knows something she hasn't told to see if anyone figures it out.

4. having lost someone myself you just want to be where others are that connects you to that person. this makes you feel as if they are still there and you can make a connection somehow. just having people talking about someone you love makes you feel connected.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Nellie
From Etsy...


No source of income? Did she really say this? I just know it was posted and now I know that is not true....that she still has Nicholas' income. [/*]

A great deal of what she said in the beginning has now changed, what we need to ask ourselves is why?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by decor


sorry fox all the other questions you asked can only be answered by Christine so I can't answer them. [/*]

She DID answer them!!!

[decor]

Originally posted by Nellie
From Etsy...


No source of income? Did she really say this? I just know it was posted and now I know that is not true....that she still has Nicholas' income. [/*]

but did she know they would still give her Nick's paycheck after he was gone when she said this?

If it had been me I would have assumed the pay stopped when he left his job.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


She DID answer them!!! [/*]

I know :) but I want the CF supporters to explain them away as they usually do. Because in the explination will be a clue

I am of the opinion that at least one of them is either CF or close to CF, and that will give me a clue as to what really went on in that house 13 Feb.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie
From Etsy...


No source of income? Did she really say this? I just know it was posted and now I know that is not true....that she still has Nicholas' income. [/*]

Gosh, and for the past 3-1/2 weeks she's also had one less mouth to feed and one less gas tank (a significant savings here in Seattle where gas is now about $3.50/gallon) to fill too, even while still collecting Nicholas's salary. I would think that would put her ahead on things. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it seems her whole attitude towards this is quite mercenary and cold. Giving up after 3-1/2 weeks!? On someone that she supposedly loved so much? I don't get that at all. Nor do I understand much of the rest of what she has been saying and doing. I do feel for her kids, for a lot more reasons than just the obvious one that they don't have their dad in their lives now.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


but did she know they would still give her Nick's paycheck after he was gone when she said this?

If it had been me I would have assumed the pay stopped when he left his job. [/*]

And I thought of that too and knew someone else would think of that. So here is my answer! Before I'd be putting out the word to strangers that I desperately needed money and have no source of income, I'd be communicating with my husband's employer to find out what will happen with his paycheck....they at least owed him some that he had already worked for. I'd be asking them, as they would understand that I need to know this. And keep in mind that the "desperate pleas for money" began BEFORE a paycheck had even been skipped....3 days after he went missing! So why instantly assume that you will receive no more of his paychecks before speaking to his employer.

This whole case is hinky, imo.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor
I think another difference people need to remember about Beth Holloway and Christine is
1. age difference. age makes a huge difference. things you might do when you are older you probably wouldn't have done when you were younger.

Being young you put a certain amount of faith into LE and them following thru. As you get older you realize this is far from the case and that a lot of it lies directly on you.

2. Beth's children were grown. Christine has young kids that have to be a top priority so all of her energy cannot go into just Nick.

3. money and resources. Beth seem to have far more than Christine to work with. [/*]

No, IIRC, Natalee had a little brother.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


but did she know they would still give her Nick's paycheck after he was gone when she said this?

If it had been me I would have assumed the pay stopped when he left his job. [/*]

I don't know, from what I've observed of Christine and her focus on the family finances, if I had been Christine, I would have called the employer early on to find out if they were going to keep paying his salary. I wouldn't be making any assumptions.

Also if I recall, that particular statement about Christine was not posted early on -- it was at least in the 2nd week of his disappearance. I'm sure she would have known by then if they were going to keep paying him.

I fully expect -- based on how she has "clarified" things on her blog -- that she will explain this discrepancy with something like "The reporter got it wrong -- they only sent his first paycheck for the work he had already done for the month but they won't be sending anymore".

Of course, it's possible the reporter did get that wrong.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor


but did she know they would still give her Nick's paycheck after he was gone when she said this?

If it had been me I would have assumed the pay stopped when he left his job. [/*]

Nicholas either got paid weekly, bi weekly or monthly. I'm guessing bi weekly.

He vanished on Wednesday, February 13th.

If weekly pay he would have gotten a payroll check 02/15/08.
If bi weekly (probably paid on the 15th and last day of the month)
he would have gotten payroll check on 02/15/08.
If monthly, either the 1st or a payroll check coming 02/29/08.

As of 02/15/08 Christine was in the same financial situation she was in BEFORE Nicholas disappeared.

Maybe she knew about the employer continuing his pay, maybe not. Based on the facts (or lack thereof) in this case, I believe the employer continuing his pay decision was made early on...before the lack of foul play became evident, and the searches found nothing, not later. JMO

[Nellie]

She has added to her blog. At the top of the fact sheet.
Wow, needs closure! What does she mean by that?

http://thefranciscos.com/

[flyingfox]

Why would a young mom wish her dearly beloved to be murdered? why would she be wanting money from as many sources as possible? why has she stopped searching, when she had barely even began? why is she talking about moving on already? What happened to the perfect life they had together? :shrug:

[dianaelaine]

Hmmmm ... she certainly responded to THAT fast, didn't she?

Saying she will keep looking for him, yet stating in the article, that life goes on.

She says that there isn't one SHRED of evidence .. but the fact that he's not called or contacted anybody is proof of SOMETHING, either foul play or walking away.

"I" would have to know which ... so I would just keep doing whatever I could, for ALLOT longer than she has.

OK .. my BUTT is getting sore! :D

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I am thinking,
When did she find out that his paychecks would continue?
In my experience that does not happen, the pay check would end.

How much did he usually make in his web design side job?
His being missing and not doing that side job could throw them into crisis. I do know designing a web site for someone could initially pay in the min. $800/$1500 plus the amount to update that site is separate depending on the amount of time involved and how often that site would be updated. How many sites does he do?

Does he have a new or separate web design business unknown to Christine?
There are lots of possibilities in this side job and lots of people that could be related to his disappearance that not been mentioned or investigated. [/*]

I have no idea when she found out his paychecks would continue.
I just think it was premature of her to think they would end only 3 days after he went missing. He would at least have another one coming, so she had a little time before the financial situation would have gone into "crisis mode".

I would not find it unusual for a company to continue the pay of a dedicated employer in a situation like this....at least for a time.
I know if I was concerned about that, as his wife, I would have asked them. I would have at least asked what would happen with his last paycheck. I also think when they told her they hired a PI, they also may have reassured her about the financial part of it and let her know they would continue to pay him.

I have no idea how much he would have made with his side business. Maybe that's what concerned her when she looked at his Pay Pal. She said herself that he hadn't been making as much as she thought, so it doesn't sound like it was raking in a lot of dough. I've never seen any websites that he has done....only website designs. I don't think they would bring in $800 myself.....only because I've purchased some websets myself.

I still think she panicked about the money too soon.
I think it may have grown from the Etsy community's willingness to help her out with money and she had witnessed other fund raising on Etsy and knew it could bring in a lot. So, she may not have set out to mention money right away, but when people started wanting to throw it her way, she thought "why not?" and then she started letting them know she was in desperate need for money when they'd ask. Actually, Etsy may be responsible for creating all of that....and she was willing to be the recipient. Still is, as I've seen nothing asking for the donations to stop.

I do think some will be surprised to find out she's still be receiving her husband's pay. Even if she didn't know she would at first.....she sure didn't call off the donations after she found out.
She's no doubt in better shape financially than she was before Nicholas left, imo.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I am thinking,
When did she find out that his paychecks would continue?
In my experience that does not happen, the pay check would end.

How much did he usually make in his web design side job?
His being missing and not doing that side job could throw them into crisis. I do know designing a web site for someone could initially pay in the min. $800/$1500 plus the amount to update that site is separate depending on the amount of time involved and how often that site would be updated. How many sites does he do?

Does he have a new or separate web design business unknown to Christine?
There are lots of possibilities in this side job and lots of people that could be related to his disappearance that not been mentioned or investigated. [/*]

All the more to not give up. Yes, there could be others that could be involved with his disappearance and I agree, the investigation should continue. Christine should be right there in LE's faces telling them everything she knows. Saying she believes he was murdered without any proof whatsoever won't help find out what happened to Nicholas.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I will never stop searching for him. No matter the outcome we all need closure especially my kids. [/*]

I'm sorry, but "closure" after him missing for only 3-1/2 weeks bothers me. And closure for his children??? What does that mean?

I wonder if his mom and sisters and friends are ready for closure...

So wierd.....

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by Nellie
She has added to her blog. At the top of the fact sheet.
Wow, needs closure! What does she mean by that?

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Nellie - did you notice she also added to the point about her sister.

[Nellie]

You know...if my son went missing and his wife is basically telling everyone he was murdered and life goes on and she needs closure after 3-1/2 weeks....I'D BE PI$$ED! And I'd be speaking out! Where is his family???? I hope we hear from them again....

[Nellie]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


Nellie - did you notice she also added to the point about her sister. [/*]

I missed that...I'll go read it again...

Still not answering any questions about the church though.
That seems to be a subject that is "off limits".

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Gosh, and for the past 3-1/2 weeks she's also had one less mouth to feed and one less gas tank (a significant savings here in Seattle where gas is now about $3.50/gallon) to fill too, even while still collecting Nicholas's salary. I would think that would put her ahead on things. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it seems her whole attitude towards this is quite mercenary and cold. Giving up after 3-1/2 weeks!? On someone that she supposedly loved so much? I don't get that at all. Nor do I understand much of the rest of what she has been saying and doing. I do feel for her kids, for a lot more reasons than just the obvious one that they don't have their dad in their lives now. [/*]

Good point about the mouth to feed (probably the biggest eater in the family), and the primary gas user as well. I also agree with
everything else you said.

2 comments that just stick in my brain:

1) "There is no trace of him left."


2) “If you met him, you’d loved him,” she said. “And that’s just how it’s always been. That’s why we’re all so concerned, because he’s not a coward. He would not run out on us.”

NOT A COWARD about what?

If my hubby disappeared I think I might say I don't think he'd walk out on us because he is not that kind of man, he is very responsible and wouldn't turn his back on his responsibility to his family. He's a good and decent man and providing for his family and his love for his children has always been a priority. I can't imagine the word coward coming into my thoughts... 1st class jerk, or******d maybe if I suspected or determined he walked, but not coward. :shrug:

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie


I missed that...I'll go read it again...

Still not answering any questions about the church though.
That seems to be a subject that is "off limits". [/*]

It sure does, and one has to wonder why. Is she scared to say something because they might get angry and expose some truths?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Nellie
You know...if my son went missing and his wife is basically telling everyone he was murdered and life goes on and she needs closure after 3-1/2 weeks....I'D BE PI$$ED! And I'd be speaking out! Where is his family???? I hope we hear from them again.... [/*]

Me too Nellie! I have a 28 year old son, and if he was married and missing, and his wife said that she thought he was murdered, I'd be THERE talking to her face, and asking WHY she thought that, what clues made her think of that .. TALK to me!

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird


If my hubs disappeared suddenly, I would know it was foul play. Not because of a perfect marriage but because of his personality.
If he just wanted to leave me, had a girlfriend, thought he wanted to change sexual orientation, he would say as much. He would not run away without expressing that. So if he did not tell me what the problem was then there was no problem. I would say foul play simply because I know my husband and he speaks his mind. [/*]

We don't know if Nicholas told Christine he was leaving. He may have.

[n/t]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Me too Nellie! I have a 28 year old son, and if he was married and missing, and his wife said that she thought he was murdered, I'd be THERE talking to her face, and asking WHY she thought that, what clues made her think of that .. TALK to me! [/*]

I find it strange that his family isn't speaking up on his behalf. I question whether they may know something or suspect something ain't right with Christine's behaviour. Same as we are.

[decor]

I would think that the first few days, maybe 5, Christine would have been in a complete panic. Not only is her husband missing but I am sure so many thoughts were running thru her head like what if he doesn't come back? how am I going to support my kids? how am I going to survive?

If they were living paycheck to paycheck this would have certainly been a panic situation. I am sure she thought she was going to need money real soon especially if he didn't return.


I also want to repeat that we all think that we would do certain things in a situation but never really know until we are actually faced with that situation.

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


I find it strange that his family isn't speaking up on his behalf. I question whether they may know something or suspect something ain't right with Christine's behaviour. Same as we are. [/*]

After seeing how Christine has been raked over the coals on the internet I am sure neither family will ever post anything publicly. Would you?

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by n/t


I find it strange that his family isn't speaking up on his behalf. I question whether they may know something or suspect something ain't right with Christine's behaviour. Same as we are. [/*]

His Family and hers are deathly silent, why are they not searching for him? Why are they not in the media's eye, or on their backs, why have they not been updating the info site, why do they not have their own blog and regularly up date it.

What is this telling us?

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by decor
I would think that the first few days, maybe 5, Christine would have been in a complete panic. Not only is her husband missing but I am sure so many thoughts were running thru her head like what if he doesn't come back? how am I going to support my kids? how am I going to survive?

If they were living paycheck to paycheck this would have certainly been a panic situation. I am sure she thought she was going to need money real soon especially if he didn't return.


I also want to repeat that we all think that we would do certain things in a situation but never really know until we are actually faced with that situation. [/*]

Well I know for SURE what I'd do .. because a few days ago, as some of you here remember, my husband talked to me on his cell and told me he was heading home ... 3 hours later, he wasn't here. He was only 20 minutes away!

For 2 of those hours, I was on the phone calling his cell ... over and over!

When I couldn't get him, I got in my car and drove to where he was when he was talking to me. I combed the area, and went to places he might go to relax. I was just about ready to call the police, when he answered his cell phone.

OK granted, I don't have kids at home anymore .. but it wouldn't matter to me. I would find a neighbor or family or friend to watch them, or take them with me ... and off we'd go!

And my thoughts for the first FIVE days, would NOT be financial! My heart would be beating HARD and I'd be a wreck, thinking my husband might be hurt, or in trouble.

Even if I thought he walked out on me, I'd STILL be a nervous wreck and sick to my stomach ...

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird

Well "closure" is mentioned on all crime blogs and court cases, in newspapers everywhere for crime and runaways so repeating a standard phrase means nothing suspicious to me.

Perhaps I just have not followed enough cases to be a really suspicious person yet, that may happen to me also down the road as I learn more about "crime" and get hard hearted. [/*]

Did you just call me hard hearted? :no:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


From my own experience my Mother told me once that when she found out my father had a serious heart condition she said to him " How will I raise all these children if something happens to you. Why did you not tell me before? " She was mad at him because he had a serious illness.
He did die leaving my Mother with five small children and she was mad because he died and left her alone with all that responsibility. Was there something wrong with my Mother? Was this just a part of her grief? I am not sure how she would be judged on this board. [/*]

I understand that stage of grief. I was mad at my dad for smoking until he got lung cancer and died. I went through that anger stage.

But, imo, if C believes that N was murdered, I think her anger toward him showed up way too soon.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor
I would think that the first few days, maybe 5, Christine would have been in a complete panic. Not only is her husband missing but I am sure so many thoughts were running thru her head like what if he doesn't come back? how am I going to support my kids? how am I going to survive?

If they were living paycheck to paycheck this would have certainly been a panic situation. I am sure she thought she was going to need money real soon especially if he didn't return.


I also want to repeat that we all think that we would do certain things in a situation but never really know until we are actually faced with that situation. [/*]

Yes, that's understandable but to announce your financial situation to strangers on a message board/blog only days after your husband went missing? Instead of doing that, why didn't she discuss it with her family, his family, her closest friends? Maybe get in touch with his employer. Ask local government agencies if there is anything they could do to help out with her situation?

And again, this was only a few days after he was missing. There was no reason for her to be in a panic mode about finances. I'd be more concerned about finding my husband.

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Well I know for SURE what I'd do .. because a few days ago, as some of you here remember, my husband talked to me on his cell and told me he was heading home ... 3 hours later, he wasn't here. He was only 20 minutes away!

For 2 of those hours, I was on the phone calling his cell ... over and over!

When I couldn't get him, I got in my car and drove to where he was when he was talking to me. I combed the area, and went to places he might go to relax. I was just about ready to call the police, when he answered his cell phone.

OK granted, I don't have kids at home anymore .. but it wouldn't matter to me. I would find a neighbor or family or friend to watch them, or take them with me ... and off we'd go!

And my thoughts for the first FIVE days, would NOT be financial! My heart would be beating HARD and I'd be a wreck, thinking my husband might be hurt, or in trouble.

Even if I thought he walked out on me, I'd STILL be a nervous wreck and sick to my stomach ... [/*]

do you do this every time your husband is late or is it because things are a little heightened right now?

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by decor


After seeing how Christine has been raked over the coals on the internet I am sure neither family will ever post anything publicly. Would you? [/*]

I would do what ever it took to find my husband. If I looked stupid then so be it, I look stupid. I am protective of my family for example, my mother is in hospital, has been for a month, my father passed away last week, and tonight she rings me and tells me she isn't feeling well and describes what could be a stroke. When I ask her what the nurses are doing she says nothing. I then phone the nursing station, and ask them what they are doing, that she is a private patient and why are they not ringing her consultant. They give me some bs story and try to put me off, then I pull rank on them explain that I too am a nurse, a few levels above them and that I will be phoning their superior to find out why they have not actioned this. I do all that they eventually get the Dr, and it turns out that it is anxiety related to the funeral on monday. I look stupid, but do I care? No, if it had been a stroke and they had continued to go, 'oh well, we will just wait and see what happens as we only have one Dr for the whole hospital' I could have been cremating both my parents in the one week.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor


After seeing how Christine has been raked over the coals on the internet I am sure neither family will ever post anything publicly. Would you? [/*]

If my child went missing and his/her spouse is ready to dismiss them as murdered....yes, I'd be contacting news sources and trying to talk with them and even get on tv again. Many people are raked over the coals, but they continue to look for their loved ones. Instead Christine is ready to move on after 3-1/2 weeks. I think it's hinky. You obviously don't.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor


After seeing how Christine has been raked over the coals on the internet I am sure neither family will ever post anything publicly. Would you? [/*]

I highly doubt that's the reason and raked over the coals is exaggeration on your part.

[isitme]

As a mother of a 30 year old married son I have tried to view this as if it were my son missing. If my DIL, whom I love dearly, were to behave in the manner that I see CF behaving, (yes I know all about different people react differently and CF is not by DIL . . .) I would be very concerned and suspicous about some things. She would have me in her face daily!!!!! There would be a PI on the case at my expense and answering to ME!!

As I said I love my DIL but love is not blind, especially when it comes to my son and his health and safety. While today I would not doubt what she says to me, I would have some serious doubts if upon my son being missing she began to say and act as CF has. And if after 3.5 weeks she is ready to move on believing he was murdered I would be seriously looking into her personal life - all of it.

All of this makes me wonder about what NF's mom knows. IIRC she has appeared on one news clip. Perhaps she is doing what I would do --- I do seriously hope she is!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird

Well "closure" is mentioned on all crime blogs and court cases, in newspapers everywhere for crime and runaways so repeating a standard phrase means nothing suspicious to me.

Perhaps I just have not followed enough cases to be a really suspicious person yet, that may happen to me also down the road as I learn more about "crime" and get hard hearted. [/*]

People don't usually seek closure after 3-1/2 weeks!

[decor]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by n/t


Yes, that's understandable but to announce your financial situation to strangers on a message board/blog only days after your husband went missing?

she didn't. someone else did for in response to what can we do to help you.


Instead of doing that, why didn't she discuss it with her family, his family, her closest friends?

Because we have no idea what her relationship is with any of these people. And we don't know that she didn't.

Maybe get in touch with his employer.

We don't know if she did that either. I will say if it was me I wouldn't have been asking his employer right away about his money. How the heck would that look? If she had and people here found out they would have had a field day with that one.

Ask local government agencies if there is anything they could do to help out with her situation? I would think this would be the last thing on her mind.

And again, this was only a few days after he was missing. There was no reason for her to be in a panic mode about finances. I'd be more concerned about finding my husband.

Again we have no idea if there was a reason or not. we know nothing about her finances. just because someone posted for her about the money does not mean she was not concerned about her husband first.

[Nellie]

. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave. So...

Past tense...early on.....

[decor]

Originally posted by flyingfox


I would do what ever it took to find my husband. If I looked stupid then so be it, I look stupid. I am protective of my family for example, my mother is in hospital, has been for a month, my father passed away last week, and tonight she rings me and tells me she isn't feeling well and describes what could be a stroke. When I ask her what the nurses are doing she says nothing. I then phone the nursing station, and ask them what they are doing, that she is a private patient and why are they not ringing her consultant. They give me some bs story and try to put me off, then I pull rank on them explain that I too am a nurse, a few levels above them and that I will be phoning their superior to find out why they have not actioned this. I do all that they eventually get the Dr, and it turns out that it is anxiety related to the funeral on monday. I look stupid, but do I care? No, if it had been a stroke and they had continued to go, 'oh well, we will just wait and see what happens as we only have one Dr for the whole hospital' I could have been cremating both my parents in the one week. [/*]

I guarantee if someone in your family went missing and all the responses you got were questions about your personality and how you react and it was all negative about you, you would NOT post anything because you would think they weren't doing anything to help anyway so what would be the point. And if everything you posted was going to be torn apart anyway again what would be the point?

has nothing to do with looking stupid

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor
[QUOTE]Originally posted by n/t



she didn't. someone else did for in response to what can we do to help you.


[/*]

When someone asked what they could do to help....If her response to anyone asking in the first days after he dissppeared was "money"....then, imo, yes, she did ask for money.

[decor]

Originally posted by babygraceful


If I had personal insight into the behavior & personal relationship of a member of my family & I knew that they were being misjudged ANYWHERE that I had to the ability to partake in some kind of discussion about – you BET I would be on to set the record straight.
The fact that the majority of people defending Christine have never met her &/or only know her through her internet personality speaks volumes to me. [/*]

the same could be said for all the people that dissect her.

If Christine were on here trying to defend anything she would be throwing herself to the sharks. this is the last place she should post.

[need2no]

Just thinking about something and tossing this out as food for thought-

Are any of you familiar with the Bart and Jennifer Corbin case?
Bart, a dentist, murdered his pre-school teacher wife, and mother of his 2 children, Jenn, and prior to that he murdered a former girlfriend. (This was determined during the investigation of wife's murder, similiar to re-investigation of Drew Peterson's 3rd wife's death after Stacy disappeared.)

Anyway when the marriage had turned very sour and cruel Jenn started playing the game Everquest on line as a form of escape from marital problems. For months she communicated and fell in love with someone on line named Chris. Jenn had even made plans to leave Bart, (and secretly obtained a credit card, and another cell phone), and eventually go to the state where Chris lived and get to know 'him' better, and hopefully have a lasting relationship with him. They had shared thousands of emails and she was confident she knew and loved him-she believed he was her true soul mate, and the answer to her prayers even though she had never seen a pic of him, or even talked to him on the phone. Long story short she found out Chris was actually a bi-sexual woman named Anita posing as a man. Eventually she was ok with this and still wanted to travel to be with Chris/Anita, but was murdered before this could take place.

Strange and secretive things do happen that are shocking and hard to believe, and often are discovered late into a case...sometimes even years later. You often can't read a book by it's cover, you have to delve in to discover all the facts.

To believe with certainty we must begin with doubting. ~Stanislaus I of Poland

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by decor


I guarantee if someone in your family went missing and all the responses you got were questions about your personality and how you react and it was all negative about you, you would NOT post anything because you would think they weren't doing anything to help anyway so what would be the point. And if everything you posted was going to be torn apart anyway again what would be the point?

has nothing to do with looking stupid [/*]

not that it is any of your business, but I have had my life, actions and personality disected and it was nasty stuff that was said too. That is what you get in court when people are trying to make you out to be the bad guy, and defending their client against charges. I did keep on fighting, it took 3 years to get justice, and I had to put up with many many days of having my whole life pulled apart and disected just as is happening here. I do know, and don't presume that other people here haven't had experience on the other side of the fence.

The point is her husband is missing, their SIL is missing, their son is missing. Who cares what any one else thinks? The point is to find him.

[decor]

Originally posted by flyingfox


not that it is any of your business, but I have had my life, actions and personality disected and it was nasty stuff that was said too. That is what you get in court when people are trying to make you out to be the bad guy, and defending their client against charges. I did keep on fighting, it took 3 years to get justice, and I had to put up with many many days of having my whole life pulled apart and disected just as is happening here. I do know, and don't presume that other people here haven't had experience on the other side of the fence.

The point is her husband is missing, their SIL is missing, their son is missing. Who cares what any one else thinks? The point is to find him. [/*]

"not that it is any of your business,"
I didn't ask so please don't blame me.

since I have no idea what it was and no, I am not asking, there is no way I can reply as to whether this has anything do with this situation.

[dianaelaine]

Decor: yes, I think my sensitivities were heightened because of all I've been reading, but STILL .... I was genuinely worried, and even if I was wrong ... if I had been RIGHT, I would have been glad I did what I had to do.

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Question to All: Why do you think Christine believes he was murdered?

[decor]

Originally posted by babygraceful


Oh, I completely agree that to be here engaging in any kind of discussion would be totally pointless for Christine & I didn’t mean that she herself should be the one going around defending herself – imo that too would be totally pointless. Maybe I misunderstood the point that you were making.

I was thinking from the position of family members or those that know her personally. [/*]

I meant that maybe they were afraid they would be dissected too so decided to just avoid it. Because Christine was so vocal on the internet before I am going to guess that everyone, family and friends , have been advised to avoid saying anything.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


I meant that maybe they were afraid they would be dissected too so decided to just avoid it. Because Christine was so vocal on the internet before I am going to guess that everyone, family and friends , have been advised to avoid saying anything. [/*]

"Advised" by who?

And, do you think anyone is advising Christine to stay off the Internet? Because she doesn't seem to be following that advice.

[decor]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Decor: yes, I think my sensitivities were heightened because of all I've been reading, but STILL .... I was genuinely worried, and even if I was wrong ... if I had been RIGHT, I would have been glad I did what I had to do.

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Question to All: Why do you think Christine believes he was murdered? [/*]

I think for any of us that have participated on any forum of a missing person, our actions would now be different than if we had no knowledge of any of this. We have all been influenced on how we would now behave if this happened to us.
Christine had nothing to go by as I assume she never had anyone missing before.

I thought it was interesting that someone posted yesterday that people are interested in something for a few weeks and then it is time to move on to something else. He was speaking about people in general but I wonder if the natives live like this and this is why Christine's behavior seems strange to us.

[decor]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


"Advised" by who?

And, do you think anyone is advising Christine to stay off the Internet? Because she doesn't seem to be following that advice. [/*]
anyone could be advising them. family, friends, LE

I think Christine has pretty much stayed off the internet compared to how much time she spent on here before Nick disappeared. I am talking about posting, not lurking. Since everyone assumes she is reading some of the blogs, no one really knows if she spends a little or a lot of time on here.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I doubt his family members will ever come here. They probably know about the "genetics" posts and were offended to say the least.

His sisters seem to be highly involved in their Churches and will without a doubt turn to their church members for help rather than this board.

His Mother did recently make a plea for him to not be hurt and to please let him come home. It was posted here a few days ago but was ignored because she did not accuse Christine of anything.
JMO, IMO,MOO [/*]

Do you have a link for this?

[decor]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I doubt his family members will ever come here. They probably know about the "genetics" posts and were offended to say the least.

His sisters seem to be highly involved in their Churches and will without a doubt turn to their church members for help rather than this board.

His Mother did recently make a plea for him to not be hurt and to please let him come home. It was posted here a few days ago but was ignored because she did not accuse Christine of anything.
JMO, IMO,MOO [/*]

I missed that about his mother. But there were a few days I only looked at the first and last page.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Question to All: Why do you think Christine believes he was murdered? [/*]

I think that it is the preferable option for her, no shame in having a spouse be murdered. But a huge amount of shame if he has voluntarily walked out. MOO

[ThruTheTrees]

I read the Seattle Times article late last night, now I am reading it in print.

The title of the article in print is different than online: "Wife faces harsh likelihood: Missing man gone for good"

ok, right there I don't get it. After 3-1/2 weeks, both she and the media are assuming he is "gone for good"? I wonder if Stephanie Fale, whose husband went missing the day after Nicholas did, also has determined her husband is "gone for good". Or believes that he was murdered.

I don't get losing hope after 3-1/2 weeks. This "There's a point you have to face the facts" bit -- um, didn't she just post on her blog this morning that there are NO "facts" to say he met up with foul play and NO "facts" to say he took off? So what "facts" is she facing? She said she "believes" he was murdered. Yet, if she believed that, is she facing the FACT that without a body, she is going to have to wait 7 years before he can be declared dead? Maybe part of her "closure" will be to file for divorce, so she can get government assistance/welfare as a single mom and be free to start a new life with someone else. And then in 7 years, the 2 of them could collect on the life insurance.

This whole article left me feeling very sad -- for Nicholas and the kids and his family... and for Christine because she seems so empty of any authentic caring for her husband and what happend to him.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by flyingfox


I think that it is the preferable option for her, no shame in having a spouse be murdered. But a huge amount of shame if he has voluntarily walked out. MOO [/*]

The way she seems so self-focused, I could see that she would rather he be dead than still living but not revolving his life around her anymore, or even worse, being with someone else. The "if I can't have you, no one else will" perspective.

[decor]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I read all the posts even the nasty ones and I do not have anyone on ignore because I do not like missing any posts. I feel missed posts is missed information and maybe a missed clue. [/*]

I agree but there days that it was just weary to read about awful Christine was, so I had to take a break.

Most days I read them all too but not all days :)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor


I think for any of us that have participated on any forum of a missing person, our actions would now be different than if we had no knowledge of any of this. We have all been influenced on how we would now behave if this happened to us.
Christine had nothing to go by as I assume she never had anyone missing before.

I thought it was interesting that someone posted yesterday that people are interested in something for a few weeks and then it is time to move on to something else. He was speaking about people in general but I wonder if the natives live like this and this is why Christine's behavior seems strange to us. [/*]

I remember that comment and yes, I think it was directed to the people, media, etc. in general -- that things fall off the radar after awhile. But I took that to mean the interest of "outsiders" -- I don't see how that would apply to someone reacting to the disappearance of their husband and father of their children. I don't think there is any Seattle cultural "norm" that after less than a month of your husband being gone, it's time to get moving on with life.

[need2no]

Following true crime cases for years, some of the biggest fools I've seen were the ones who couldn't keep their mouths shut. For some reason they felt the need to talk to the media, no doubt against legal advise, and their words came back to bite them at their trials.

OJ, Drew, Scott, and Michael Peterson, Rabbi Neulander, Justin Barber, and Bart Corbin to name just a few that come to mind.

If God forbid I ever found myself in a public situation I think I've learned you keep your mouth shut, or let legal counsel speak for you. To defend rumors sometimes makes them appear more real, and sometimes things do slip out unintentionally and then it's hard to take them back or try to explain your words away. And especially if they are captured on the internet for all the world to see.

I recall some unsavory things coming out about Jessica Lunsford's father, but he didn't talk to the media about it and people moved on quickly for the most part without ragging him. I think if he had tried to defend himself it would have gotten a lot more attention and became the hot topic of conversation, and taken away from the important issue of the murder of his precious daughter.

Just state the facts as you know them, and refuse to answer questions. Yes, people will speculate and talk, start rumors, but they will anyway, so why give them ammo for the gun.

As a side note-Growing up my mother used to tell me the only difference between decent people and trashy people is the trashy people aren't ashamed to air their dirty laundry, decent people have dirty laundry too, but they shove their dirty laundry in a closet and keep quiet about it. As I grew up I understood this much better than I did as a child. :)

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor
I would think that the first few days, maybe 5, Christine would have been in a complete panic. Not only is her husband missing but I am sure so many thoughts were running thru her head like what if he doesn't come back? how am I going to support my kids? how am I going to survive?

If they were living paycheck to paycheck this would have certainly been a panic situation. I am sure she thought she was going to need money real soon especially if he didn't return.


I also want to repeat that we all think that we would do certain things in a situation but never really know until we are actually faced with that situation. [/*]

I worked with a woman who's husband committed suicide. At first she was devastated and heart broken, especially for her two teen children who had lost their devoted father. About a week after the funeral she got really angry at him about the fact that he chose to take his life and leave her with 2 children to finish raising and put through college, as well as a lot of debt. I remember how quiet everyone got when someone asked how she was doing and she referred to her hubby as a selfish *. Reality set in for her rather quickly...of course she KNEW her hubby was gone and she was left to support the 2 children and herself.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor
I would think that the first few days, maybe 5, Christine would have been in a complete panic. Not only is her husband missing but I am sure so many thoughts were running thru her head like what if he doesn't come back? how am I going to support my kids? how am I going to survive?

If they were living paycheck to paycheck this would have certainly been a panic situation. I am sure she thought she was going to need money real soon especially if he didn't return.


I also want to repeat that we all think that we would do certain things in a situation but never really know until we are actually faced with that situation. [/*]

I worked with a woman who's husband committed suicide. At first she was devastated and heart broken, especially for her two teen children who had lost their devoted father. About a week after the funeral she got really angry at him about the fact that he chose to take his life and leave her with 2 children to finish raising and put through college, as well as a lot of debt. I remember how quiet everyone got when someone asked how she was doing and she referred to her hubby as a selfish *. Reality set in for her rather quickly...of course she KNEW her hubby was gone and she was left to support the 2 children and herself.

[need2no]

Sorry for the double posting, not sure how that happened. We are having major wind issues here today and my lights are blinking and I've been knocked off the net several times.

[moonlessnite]

This article is what I needed to see.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

It seems like, between the lines, she is admitting to herself that her husband left her. I sense the crestfallen tone of reality sinking in. I would believe that she was so in denial in the beginning, that she really needed to believe he was taken from her, and needed the rest of the world to believe it too. But her behavior attests to the fact that deep down, she knew he left her. Now she's as much as admitting that and dealing in reality. So, good.

What bothers me is that she still had/has NF's salary coming in. Why the need for donations? They were living on the same amount they
had when he was there. I can see that soon there will be some sort of financial problems, but I think the donations should be returned. People can donate to her if they want to now knowing she is simply a wife and mother left by her husband. Those donations were made under false premise that, perhaps intentionally false.
Now we all know the Iraq never had WMD's either. But we're still there.

Now I feel a glimmer of compassion for her because she's dealing with the pain and suffering of real life. I hope she will grow and become a stronger person, and become her own person. I hope the children will watch their mother become her own person and this will teach them to do the same as they grow up. This is a chance for learning and growth and a chance at a new, better life for all. Anyone who's been divorced knows life goes on in a new way never imagined before, if there is openness to change and possibilities.
She'll realize that people treat her with more compassion and respect when she's dealing in reality herself, as well.
I hope for the best for all of them in their new llives.

[decor]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
This article is what I needed to see.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

It seems like, between the lines, she is admitting to herself that her husband left her. I sense the crestfallen tone of reality sinking in. I would believe that she was so in denial in the beginning, that she really needed to believe he was taken from her, and needed the rest of the world to believe it too. But her behavior attests to the fact that deep down, she knew he left her. Now she's as much as admitting that and dealing in reality. So, good.

What bothers me is that she still had/has NF's salary coming in. Why the need for donations? They were living on the same amount they
had when he was there. I can see that soon there will be some sort of financial problems, but I think the donations should be returned. People can donate to her if they want to now knowing she is simply a wife and mother left by her husband. Those donations were made under false premise that, perhaps intentionally false.
Now we all know the Iraq never had WMD's either. But we're still there.

Now I feel a glimmer of compassion for her because she's dealing with the pain and suffering of real life. I hope she will grow and become a stronger person, and become her own person. I hope the children will watch their mother become her own person and this will teach them to do the same as they grow up. This is a chance for learning and growth and a chance at a new, better life for all. Anyone who's been divorced knows life goes on in a new way never imagined before, if there is openness to change and possibilities.
She'll realize that people treat her with more compassion and respect when she's dealing in reality herself, as well.
I hope for the best for all of them in their new llives. [/*]

this would be of course if they don't find his body somewhere. ;)

as many of us believe that he simply left, until there is something one way or the other there will always be the chance that something really did happen to him.

I was surprised to see that no one mentioned that maybe he was taken in his own car taken to the place where the car was found and then left with others in a different vehicle where something could have happened to him. Just because it didn't happen in his car doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[need2no]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
This article is what I needed to see.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

It seems like, between the lines, she is admitting to herself that her husband left her. I sense the crestfallen tone of reality sinking in. I would believe that she was so in denial in the beginning, that she really needed to believe he was taken from her, and needed the rest of the world to believe it too. But her behavior attests to the fact that deep down, she knew he left her. Now she's as much as admitting that and dealing in reality. So, good.

What bothers me is that she still had/has NF's salary coming in. Why the need for donations? They were living on the same amount they
had when he was there. I can see that soon there will be some sort of financial problems, but I think the donations should be returned. People can donate to her if they want to now knowing she is simply a wife and mother left by her husband. Those donations were made under false premise that, perhaps intentionally false.
Now we all know the Iraq never had WMD's either. But we're still there.

Now I feel a glimmer of compassion for her because she's dealing with the pain and suffering of real life. I hope she will grow and become a stronger person, and become her own person. I hope the children will watch their mother become her own person and this will teach them to do the same as they grow up. This is a chance for learning and growth and a chance at a new, better life for all. Anyone who's been divorced knows life goes on in a new way never imagined before, if there is openness to change and possibilities.
She'll realize that people treat her with more compassion and respect when she's dealing in reality herself, as well.
I hope for the best for all of them in their new llives. [/*]

This is a nice post and I can agree with everything except the part about returning the donations. First of all I doubt that's even possible, most were probably made anonymously. Also she will need the money to get her through when the paycheck is inevitably eventually stopped, so I hope she is spending/saving it wisely, and I hope NF's employer can continue the health insurance until she delivers. Even though the money was sent under false pretenses, the children still need to be cared for and have a roof over their heads, and the same applies if she knew he planned to walk and why. The children should not have to suffer for any wrong doings of their parents. On the other hand my opinion will change if she is in on the disappearance and this was a big fat scam contrived by the 2 from day one. In that case she doesn't deserve to raise those children.

Christine made a big mistake by creating this web of deceit from the beginning...this may cost her dearly unless NF returns.

If NF is eventually found alive...I wonder how he will feel about Christine moving on after 3 1/2 weeks? Of course if he is reading on the net he already knows, and may understand why based on how much trouble they may have had in their marriage, and why he walked in the first place.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor


~snipped respectfully~

I was surprised to see that no one mentioned that maybe he was taken in his own car taken to the place where the car was found and then left with others in a different vehicle where something could have happened to him. Just because it didn't happen in his car doesn't mean it didn't happen. [/*]

IIRC, someone mentioned this earlier today.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by decor


I was surprised to see that no one mentioned that maybe he was taken in his own car taken to the place where the car was found and then left with others in a different vehicle where something could have happened to him. Just because it didn't happen in his car doesn't mean it didn't happen. [/*]

I would hate to think he just went like a lamb to the slaughter unwilling to even try to save himself. Also if a group of people got in his car and went with him it would seem like more chance of something being in the car to give a clue.

And yes I know that a group grab a couple thanks to that piece of information my husband and I have now worked out what we will do if this happens :) a couple is different from a single since you have to worry not only about yourself but about your partner.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by decor


After seeing how Christine has been raked over the coals on the internet I am sure neither family will ever post anything publicly. Would you? [/*]

The reality is that CF first said that the marriage was just about perfect, he would NEVER leave HER and the kids and even if he did leave he would come and take them with him. There was no reason what so ever to believe that he would ever ever leave her.

At this point since the crime forums would looking at all aspects, from how could he have been killed, taken or car jacked, another very valid question became could he have left her? and if so why? At that point trying to figure if she was the perfect wife, if he was the perfect husband and did they have the perfect life all became part of that. Now it she had taken off we would have been looking at him very closely to see what was there but since he left then it is CF that gets looked at. Turned out she wasn't perfect, the marriage wasn't perfect and there is a chance he left because of that.

I knew a "good Christian" man who decided not to see his children because the court wouldn't take them from his ex-wife and let him have them. He also gave up his good job and live on as little as he could as an artist so he wouldn't have to pay much child support. At least NF didn't decide to try to take the kids and kick her out.

[need2no]

When the perp or perps drove the car to the condo parking lot to drop it off they would have left some evidence in the car...hair, fingerprints, cigarette butt, the driver seat and mirrors adjusted, etc. I don't think the perp (s) would take the time or risk being seen cleaning the car down in that public parking lot. Wouldn't they take off quickly after dropping off the car? Besides if they did clean it up they would also have cleaned away Nicholas' prints, hair, etc. and this fact would be obvious to LE. Apparently that was not the case. Saying the car was clean means they found no evidence of anyone other than Nicholas being in his car, IMO.

[decor]

Originally posted by need2no
When the perp or perps drove the car to the condo parking lot to drop it off they would have left some evidence in the car...hair, fingerprints, cigarette butt, the driver seat and mirrors adjusted, etc. I don't think the perp (s) would take the time or risk being seen cleaning the car down in that public parking lot. Wouldn't they take off quickly after dropping off the car? Besides if they did clean it up they would also have cleaned away Nicholas' prints, hair, etc. and this fact would be obvious to LE. Apparently that was not the case. Saying the car was clean means they found no evidence of anyone other than Nicholas being in his car, IMO. [/*]

okay. thanks. :)

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
This article is what I needed to see.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

It seems like, between the lines, she is admitting to herself that her husband left her. I sense the crestfallen tone of reality sinking in. I would believe that she was so in denial in the beginning, that she really needed to believe he was taken from her, and needed the rest of the world to believe it too. But her behavior attests to the fact that deep down, she knew he left her. Now she's as much as admitting that and dealing in reality. So, good.

What bothers me is that she still had/has NF's salary coming in. Why the need for donations? They were living on the same amount they
had when he was there. I can see that soon there will be some sort of financial problems, but I think the donations should be returned. People can donate to her if they want to now knowing she is simply a wife and mother left by her husband. Those donations were made under false premise that, perhaps intentionally false.
Now we all know the Iraq never had WMD's either. But we're still there.

Now I feel a glimmer of compassion for her because she's dealing with the pain and suffering of real life. I hope she will grow and become a stronger person, and become her own person. I hope the children will watch their mother become her own person and this will teach them to do the same as they grow up. This is a chance for learning and growth and a chance at a new, better life for all. Anyone who's been divorced knows life goes on in a new way never imagined before, if there is openness to change and possibilities.
She'll realize that people treat her with more compassion and respect when she's dealing in reality herself, as well.
I hope for the best for all of them in their new llives. [/*]

Nowhere in there did she say that she thinks that her husband left her and her children. She says she understands why some might think that but that she believes that he has been murdered.

GEEZ.. why twist things to suit your ideas about the case. Your motives have been evident since your very first post on here and it is just continueing.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I keep coming back to the loss of hope after 3 1/2 weeks. I've been following missing persons cases for years and in all that time, I do not believe I have ever heard anyone say that. Yes, there are some cases where people simply do not care, but I never got the impression this was the case with this family.

[Musterion]

Based on what has been seen and heard of Christine's character/personality it could be viewed that her saying anything other than what she said as suspect.

Her comments seem spontaneous and emotional. Many have observed and posted that she exaggerates events.

Seems, IMO, she is on target with how she is.

If she came out with contrived and expected answers something then would seem alarming, IMO.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
For what it's worth (and I know, not much), I just read the article to my husband, who knows nothing at all about this case. He said to me, "if I ever go missing, please don't give up hope after 3 1/2 weeks."

I wouldn't. [/*]

Me either.

[decor]

when I was in my 20's my ex disappeared for a few days.

It was not unusual for him not to come home for one night because he was a drug user and womanizer.

I spoke to him on Fri. at work. he didn't come home that night . He didn't come home Sat. then he didn't come home on Sun. by then I was frantic. I had 2 really young kids, no phone , didn't drive and didn't have a car anyway and didn't live near any family.

I waited until Mon. then went to the store down the street and called his work and he wasn't there and hadn't called in sick. This was extremely unusual for him and had never done this before. I had to keep loading my kids up into the stroller to call his work.

I had NO CLUE what to do. I figured if I called the police and told them he did this occasionally they would just tell me to wait until he came home. (It was the 60's). He finally showed up at work on Tues. he had been on a 4 day drug binge. He never did that again but I was at a total loss at to what to do.

would everyone have had a problem with the way I dealt with it. you betcha.

would I handle it this way today? no way, but I am far older an wiser than I was in my 20's and you can tell how smart I am because I got rid of him.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion
Based on what has been seen and heard of Christine's character/personality it could be viewed that her saying anything other than what she said as suspect.

Her comments seem spontaneous and emotional. Many have observed and posted that she exaggerates events.

Seems, IMO, she is on target with how she is.

If she came out with contrived and expected answers something then would seem alarming, IMO. [/*]

Actually Musterion, some of her article were just what I expected. I expected there to be a downplay on the funds collected and no mention of her online community.

[Nellie]

need2know....you need to know to clean out your pm box! :D

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know....you need to know to clean out your pm box! :D [/*]


:D Ut oh, my bad....I'm grabbing the Hoover and headed that way!

[need2no]

Nice and clean now Nellie.

[need2no]

Originally posted by decor
when I was in my 20's my ex disappeared for a few days.

It was not unusual for him not to come home for one night because he was a drug user and womanizer.

I spoke to him on Fri. at work. he didn't come home that night . He didn't come home Sat. then he didn't come home on Sun. by then I was frantic. I had 2 really young kids, no phone , didn't drive and didn't have a car anyway and didn't live near any family.

I waited until Mon. then went to the store down the street and called his work and he wasn't there and hadn't called in sick. This was extremely unusual for him and had never done this before. I had to keep loading my kids up into the stroller to call his work.

I had NO CLUE what to do. I figured if I called the police and told them he did this occasionally they would just tell me to wait until he came home. (It was the 60's). He finally showed up at work on Tues. he had been on a 4 day drug binge. He never did that again but I was at a total loss at to what to do.

would everyone have had a problem with the way I dealt with it. you betcha.

would I handle it this way today? no way, but I am far older an wiser than I was in my 20's and you can tell how smart I am because I got rid of him. [/*]

I think you handled it well considering your husband's history and issues.

And I also think you were wise to dump him. :beer:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I keep coming back to the loss of hope after 3 1/2 weeks. I've been following missing persons cases for years and in all that time, I do not believe I have ever heard anyone say that. Yes, there are some cases where people simply do not care, but I never got the impression this was the case with this family. [/*]

If you think that your loved one has been murdered.. how can there be any hope?

You are dealing with someone whos mind can not wrap around the thought that he left her for any other reason. Is that a character flaw? Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that she adamantly believes he wouldn't leave her.. let alone the children, like this.

It would be like trying to convince some of you on here that she is a genuine, nice, caring person. Know what I mean?

[need2no]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If you think that your loved one has been murdered.. how can there be any hope?

You are dealing with someone whos mind can not wrap around the thought that he left her for any other reason. Is that a character flaw? Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that she adamantly believes he wouldn't leave her.. let alone the children, like this.

It would be like trying to convince some of you on here that she is a genuine, nice, caring person. Know what I mean? [/*]

I do see what you are saying, but I would HOPE the perp of the crime was found and punished...not to mention finding my husband's body and being able to say goodbye, and giving him a proper burial.

And I would need2know :) why he was killed in the first place......

I could never just assume and accept he was dead without evidence to make me believe it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If you think that your loved one has been murdered.. how can there be any hope?

You are dealing with someone whos mind can not wrap around the thought that he left her for any other reason. Is that a character flaw? Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that she adamantly believes he wouldn't leave her.. let alone the children, like this.

It would be like trying to convince some of you on here that she is a genuine, nice, caring person. Know what I mean? [/*]

If one thinks their husband is murdered, wouldn't they be pushing even harder to find his body and find who did this to him? :shrug: Would closure come that fast?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


If you think that your loved one has been murdered.. how can there be any hope?

You are dealing with someone whos mind can not wrap around the thought that he left her for any other reason. Is that a character flaw? Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that she adamantly believes he wouldn't leave her.. let alone the children, like this. [/*]

Yet, if she truly wants closure, wouldn't she still have hope that his body would be found somehow?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie


If one thinks their husband is murdered, wouldn't they be pushing even harder to find his body and find who did this to him? :shrug: Would closure come that fast? [/*]

Oh my, three of us just posted the same thing at the same time!

Great minds think alike a lot around here! ;)


Edited to read "three of us" because I saw need2no's post above Nellie's -- same time too. Woo woo.

[Nellie]

Does she REALLY believe he was murdered? In this newest article she has left open the door that he may leave HER, but not her children. So, I think it's in her mind that he left.

His friends, the Donovan's have left links to these updates on their blog....but no comment. I wonder what they are thinking of the way she is acting????

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Oh my, we just posted the same thing at the same time!

Great minds think alike a lot around here! ;) [/*]

:beer: It just makes sense!

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by need2no
Following true crime cases for years, some of the biggest fools I've seen were the ones who couldn't keep their mouths shut. For some reason they felt the need to talk to the media, no doubt against legal advise, and their words came back to bite them at their trials.

OJ, Drew, Scott, and Michael Peterson, Rabbi Neulander, Justin Barber, and Bart Corbin to name just a few that come to mind.

If God forbid I ever found myself in a public situation I think I've learned you keep your mouth shut, or let legal counsel speak for you. To defend rumors sometimes makes them appear more real, and sometimes things do slip out unintentionally and then it's hard to take them back or try to explain your words away. And especially if they are captured on the internet for all the world to see.

I recall some unsavory things coming out about Jessica Lunsford's father, but he didn't talk to the media about it and people moved on quickly for the most part without ragging him. I think if he had tried to defend himself it would have gotten a lot more attention and became the hot topic of conversation, and taken away from the important issue of the murder of his precious daughter.

Just state the facts as you know them, and refuse to answer questions. Yes, people will speculate and talk, start rumors, but they will anyway, so why give them ammo for the gun.

As a side note-Growing up my mother used to tell me the only difference between decent people and trashy people is the trashy people aren't ashamed to air their dirty laundry, decent people have dirty laundry too, but they shove their dirty laundry in a closet and keep quiet about it. As I grew up I understood this much better than I did as a child. :) [/*]

Excellent post.. and your mom is a wise woman. Never heard it said that way but very true.

Danielle Van Dam's parents were also publically crucified for their lifestyle... which had nothing to do with their daughter being killed.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Excellent post.. and your mom is a wise woman. Never heard it said that way but very true.

Danielle Van Dam's parents were also publically crucified for their lifestyle... which had nothing to do with their daughter being killed. [/*]

Honestly I think Christine has been let off pretty easy in this scenario. There is no sign that LE has investigated her to much degree, certainly no sign that she has taken a polygraph, and the media seems to be on her side too. I'm not saying she did anything, of course, but if the only scrutiny she's getting is on a few crime boards, which are designed for just that purpose, then I'd consider myself lucky if I were her. We've seen what happens when a wife disappears.

[need2no]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Excellent post.. and your mom is a wise woman. Never heard it said that way but very true.

Danielle Van Dam's parents were also publically crucified for their lifestyle... which had nothing to do with their daughter being killed. [/*]

Yes, my mother is a very wise woman, I am blessed.

Ah, another sad case I followed from day one, and yes her parents lives and social activities were aired for the world to see. It was a shame since they didn't harm their daughter, but on the other hand they had to be investigated and checked out as possible suspects. Most children don't disappear from their bed in the middle of the night-thank God.

[decor]

she was doing an interview for a newspaper. do you think she was open and honest with this stranger? or do you think she may have wanted to put on a brave front like, I know I need to move on.

some people have better instincts than others about what should and shouldn't be done in certain situations.

maybe others around her are influencing her at the moment. maybe she doesn't know what to do or what to say. she knows she has been criticized for everything she has done so far so maybe she is trying to do what she thinks people think she should be doing.

this was one of the reasons that I posted my story, because being young you are going to do things a whole lot different than you would if you were older. age factors in a LOT. it would also factor in to her her maturity level.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Honestly I think Christine has been let off pretty easy in this scenario. There is no sign that LE has investigated her to much degree, certainly no sign that she has taken a polygraph, and the media seems to be on her side too. I'm not saying she did anything, of course, but if the only scrutiny she's getting is on a few crime boards, which are designed for just that purpose, then I'd consider myself lucky if I were her. We've seen what happens when a wife disappears. [/*]

I agree, double standard at play. I bet this pizzes Drew Peterson off as there is no evidence of what happened to Stacy either, but he has certainly been treated differently. (Oh and yes I think he killed her, btw)

Did anyone see 20/20 last night, the segment about Matt Baker (the pastor) and his wife Kari's death....interesting, it looked like the wife's death was going to be left as a suicide until her family got very involved and started investigating themselves and pushing LE to look into the death further. Now the (pastor) husband is going to stand trial for her murder.

Everyone needs to get more involved in Nicholas' mysterious disappearance to get to the truth.

[MystryPhobia]

Very true TTT.

If it were the other way around and Nic was at home while she was missing.. then it would probably be a whole other story. Wouldn't it?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


No I did not see it. OMG, so is he the Pastor that Stacey allegedly confessed the murder of the 3rd wife too? [/*]

NO, the cases are not related at all. Sorry for the confusion.

I only mentioned Drew because his wife went missing and he has been treated much different than Christine...even though there apparently isn't a shred of evidence that Drew was involved in her disapearance, except for the relative saying that about helping to move the large blue container, and the pastor's comments. But they were already looking at and investigating Drew before this info came out, and of course before the 3rd wife's death was changed to murder from suicide.

[decor]

don't you think the men are being looked at more closely because they are killing their wives?

the chances of a woman doing her husband in are a lot slimmer than a man doing his wife in especially since it seems to be the current trend.

don't want that baby?
want to leave your wife but not have to pay her anything?

simple: kill her.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Very true TTT.

If it were the other way around and Nic was at home while she was missing.. then it would probably be a whole other story. Wouldn't it? [/*]

Absolutely. And if Nic was the kind of guy that everyone says he was, Iand truly didn't know anything about his wife's disappearance, I think he would have volunteered to take a polygraph so he could clear his name and get the focus on finding what happened.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by decor
don't you think the men are being looked at more closely because they are killing their wives?

the chances of a woman doing her husband in are a lot slimmer than a man doing his wife in especially since it seems to be the current trend.

don't want that baby?
want to leave your wife but not have to pay her anything?

simple: kill her. [/*]

Yes, the frequency of that happening is definitely higher with men than women, and terribly sad and appalling. But there have been cases with women too -- and my concern is not so much that Christine killed, or arranged to have someone kill, her husband, but that she may have other information that could help. There have been too many discrepancies in her statements to not look further.

But I also agree that her age and level of maturity and any underlying personality issues she has could all be factors in how she comes across. I remember how I was at the age (or I might more honestly say that I try to forget!), and so the age issue is significant to an extent, for sure.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by need2no


I agree, double standard at play. I bet this pizzes Drew Peterson off as there is no evidence of what happened to Stacy either, but he has certainly been treated differently. (Oh and yes I think he killed her, btw)

Did anyone see 20/20 last night, the segment about Matt Baker (the pastor) and his wife Kari's death....interesting, it looked like the wife's death was going to be left as a suicide until her family got very involved and started investigating themselves and pushing LE to look into the death further. Now the (pastor) husband is going to stand trial for her murder.

Everyone needs to get more involved in Nicholas' mysterious disappearance to get to the truth. [/*]

Drew Peterson case is completely different tho. He had a wife die a mysterious death that has now been ruled a homicide. Ex wives that talk about him abusing and stalking them. He is the first at the scene of apparant "suicides" of people that didn't like him.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Absolutely. And if Nic was the kind of guy that everyone says he was, Iand truly didn't know anything about his wife's disappearance, I think he would have volunteered to take a polygraph so he could clear his name and get the focus on finding what happened. [/*]

It does seem woman, as well church leaders, or those heavily involved with the church are treated different than your average Joe who's wife goes missing. Will this ever change...my gosh don't we learn from history?

[figritout]

Hi All.. I am new here but have read every single post accept the last two pages. I did not know that I could log in thought I had to wait for??? Sometimes not the sharpest tool in the shed.

What about the keys? Did Christine immediatly have locks on her home doors replaced... the locks to the doors of her car(s)? How about Publicis? On my key ring I have home, work, car, hubbies car, keys to everything. I think the answer to this could be very telling.

Also, I live in Washington and remember the green river killer and how bodies were not discovered for years. There are alot of places to hide bodies.

I don't think Nicholas went missing right after work... I think he headed out, and if sightings are correct, made some stops and then???

Something horrible has happened to this family whether NF was harmed or ran CF has a long road ahead of her, my prayers are with you and your family.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Yes, the frequency of that happening is definitely higher with men than women, and terribly sad and appalling. But there have been cases with women too -- and my concern is not so much that Christine killed, or arranged to have someone kill, her husband, but that she may have other information that could help. There have been too many discrepancies in her statements to not look further.

But I also agree that her age and level of maturity and any underlying personality issues she has could all be factors in how she comes across. I remember how I was at the age (or I might more honestly say that I try to forget!), and so the age issue is significant to an extent, for sure. [/*]

I'm not suggesting she murdered NF, or was involved either. But I do think she has been handled by LE with kid gloves because she is a pregnant female with 2 small children. I also think this is a mistake if it is true. A little pressure might jog her memory.

Sometimes a person's true character comes out when they are faced with adversity

[need2no]

Originally posted by figritout
Hi All.. I am new here but have read every single post accept the last two pages. I did not know that I could log in thought I had to wait for??? Sometimes not the sharpest tool in the shed.

What about the keys? Did Christine immediatly have locks on her home doors replaced... the locks to the doors of her car(s)? How about Publicis? On my key ring I have home, work, car, hubbies car, keys to everything. I think the answer to this could be very telling.

Also, I live in Washington and remember the green river killer and how bodies were not discovered for years. There are alot of places to hide bodies.

I don't think Nicholas went missing right after work... I think he headed out, and if sightings are correct, made some stops and then???

Something horrible has happened to this family whether NF was harmed or ran CF has a long road ahead of her, my prayers are with you and your family. [/*]

I've also wondered about the keys, and this could be very telling as you said. If I thought foul play was involved, or I just didn't know, I'd have all the locks changed for sure.

I also would like to know if LE questioned her neighbors...did anyone see NF's car or NF at his home on the night of 02/13/08?

Welcome to the board! :seeya:

[decor]

Originally posted by figritout
Hi All.. I am new here but have read every single post accept the last two pages. I did not know that I could log in thought I had to wait for??? Sometimes not the sharpest tool in the shed.

What about the keys? Did Christine immediatly have locks on her home doors replaced... the locks to the doors of her car(s)? How about Publicis? On my key ring I have home, work, car, hubbies car, keys to everything. I think the answer to this could be very telling.

Also, I live in Washington and remember the green river killer and how bodies were not discovered for years. There are alot of places to hide bodies.

I don't think Nicholas went missing right after work... I think he headed out, and if sightings are correct, made some stops and then???

Something horrible has happened to this family whether NF was harmed or ran CF has a long road ahead of her, my prayers are with you and your family. [/*]



first I have to say I love your user name.

for some reason everyone comes on here and says they were waiting to post. I think when we sign up it says somethng about being approved to post and we all expect an email or something. I signed up looked in my mail box, there was nothing but at the bottom of these pages it says before signing up
you cannot post
you cannot .....
you cannot......

after I signed up in that box it said
you can post
you can....
you can .....

so I was posting within 5 minutes of signing up.
I think it is confusing.

is it the green river killer that they never caught?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Re: where are the keys and were they changed after Nicholas went missing.

What a great question! This might be something Christine would be willing to answer......anyone want to try? [/*]


LOL-I think you just did.

[figritout]

Well now I don't feel so stupid. I registered 4 days ago and have had huge dialogues in my head about what is going on that I didn't know I might be able to share...

I am just not feeling really confident about the law enforcement that is involved in this case.. But if in fact a PI has been hired I do feel confident that they would cover all bases. There are so many observations I keep typing and deleting...

Because the car was so clean and was "being used" I believe there was foul play and I am inclined to believe he was forced into another vehicle and that someone else drove his. As to why someone would want to hurt NF there just is not enough information... Personal friend, family member or just random? I just can't wrap my mind around that car being driven around the area...

[need2no]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Where are his keys? I would never changed the keys to my home if my husband went "missing" that would be well; that would be putting to much thought into things....absurd.

Where are his keys is a great question; but I wouldnt lock my husband; out of his own car or home....nor would I be Paranoid that someone else had my keys to my home.....etc.

I think this case smells as much as Madeleine McCanns case does. ANYTIME that the MAIN FOCUS is on THE GREEN, instead of true love; for the individual, there is a problem.

Closure my a$$

Cat [/*]

Cat this is what I've always loved about you...you call it as you see it and just spit it right out, no beating around the bush. :)
No doubt those in your life know exactly where they stand with you.

Call me paranoid, but I would change my locks...DH could just ring the doorbell if he found his way home. :D

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Snowbird


The keys and locks being changed have not been mentioned before and to tell you the truth something I would not have thought of. I probably would not think to change locks but hopefully she has had people staying with her so far. I hope someone has thought to let her know I pray for their safety if not. [/*]

Gosh I hope that LE would have told her to do that right away. And most definitely after the car was found.

[ThruTheTrees]

Recently we were discussing whether Publicis might have hired a PI not just because Nicholas was such a valued employee, but perhaps because he might have gotten into some trouble at work... or they wanted the laptop back because of information on it (the Publicis search website seems to indicate that it was a company laptop, considering the information they had on it and the fact that they entered it into a national crimes database), etc.

But would they continue paying his salary if they were looking for him because of some wrongdoing?

[ThruTheTrees]

Does it bother anyone else that *nowhere* on Christine's blog, or (I'm pretty sure) in any of her online posts elsewhere, does she state that his employer was still paying his salary? It seems like one of those "lies by omission" to me.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Recently we were discussing whether Publicis might have hired a PI not just because Nicholas was such a valued employee, but perhaps because he might have gotten into some trouble at work... or they wanted the laptop back because of information on it (the Publicis search website seems to indicate that it was a company laptop, considering the information they had on it and the fact that they entered it into a national crimes database), etc.

But would they continue paying his salary if they were looking for him because of some wrongdoing? [/*]

I suppose if their sympathy for Christine AND concerns about their public image outweighed their anger at Nicholas for whatever he did. Or maybe they don't have the full picture just yet, only suspicions.

I worked for a company who forced mid to upper management, and put pressure on all other employees to participate in numerous community volunteer activities through the year...public image is very important to some companies and CEO's. Some will do almost anything to put on a proper front from what I've witnessed.

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Does it bother anyone else that *nowhere* on Christine's blog, or (I'm pretty sure) in any of her online posts elsewhere, does she state that his employer was still paying his salary? It seems like one of those "lies by omission" to me. [/*]


I tell you everything that is really nothing, and nothing of what is everything, do not be fooled by what I am saying. Please listen carefully and try to hear what I am not saying. ~Charles C. Finn

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


How the devil did you decipher what she meant? I couldn't understand a word of it. [/*]


:D Cat's been on the board for a long time...guess I just know how to read her. But never fear she will return and respond to your post at some point.

[dianaelaine]

Actually, I beat you all to that question.

:tongue:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

I asked it on the 'controversial' thread.

;)

[figritout]

When the car was found and the keys were gone and the car had been being used I would hope that immediatly she was advised to change her locks. With the publicity whoever has those keys has alot of information about NF & CF.

Also I think it is imperative that the relationship(s) with MH be thoroughly researched. All angles, to rule out so many different scenarious that could be playing out that might involve people that are assoiciated with it.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no


I suppose if their sympathy for Christine AND concerns about their public image outweighed their anger at Nicholas for whatever he did. Or maybe they don't have the full picture just yet, only suspicions.

I worked for a company who forced mid to upper management, and put pressure on all other employees to participate in numerous community volunteer activities through the year...public image is very important to some companies and CEO's. Some will do almost anything to put on a proper front from what I've witnessed. [/*]

Yes, that's true, the public image thing can weigh quite heavily. As we have seen in the reverse with Christine's very public image too.

[kpb]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Recently we were discussing whether Publicis might have hired a PI not just because Nicholas was such a valued employee, but perhaps because he might have gotten into some trouble at work... or they wanted the laptop back because of information on it (the Publicis search website seems to indicate that it was a company laptop, considering the information they had on it and the fact that they entered it into a national crimes database), etc.

But would they continue paying his salary if they were looking for him because of some wrongdoing? [/*]

I guess anything is possible. Maybe they aren't positive he did anything wrong and they are still investigating. Maybe they are waiting for their PI to uncover that.

Nicholas may have some vacation/comp/sick leave built up... I know my employer would continue to pay until those were depleted. Also what about a 401K, deferred comp or something similar... would that be just held or not? I guess they would until he is either found or declared deceased and then pay his beneficiary?? Not sure, but I would imagine they couldn't just hand it over to Christine... what if Nicholas just walked, I'm sure he is still entitled to his money.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Why ignore her sentence before the closure remark? She said " I will never stop searching."

Why does everyone completely ignore that sentence? [/*]

Because she didn't say it in the newspaper intervew...only said it after reading comments on the internet. JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird
Personally, I think LE needs to investigate the people at Etsy. I honesty believe one of those members would / could have killed Nick just to hurt Christine. There is way too much jealousy and hatred there to not check this group out very judiciously. [/*]


Check you PM's.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout
When the car was found and the keys were gone and the car had been being used I would hope that immediatly she was advised to change her locks. With the publicity whoever has those keys has alot of information about NF & CF.

Also I think it is imperative that the relationship(s) with MH be thoroughly researched. All angles, to rule out so many different scenarious that could be playing out that might involve people that are assoiciated with it. [/*]

Definitely strange that nothing much has been said about the church -- a controversial church that they had resigned from just 2 days before he disappeared.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by kpb


I guess anything is possible. Maybe they aren't positive he did anything wrong and they are still investigating. Maybe they are waiting for their PI to uncover that.

Nicholas may have some vacation/comp/sick leave built up... I know my employer would continue to pay until those were depleted. Also what about a 401K, deferred comp or something similar... would that be just held or not? I guess they would until he is either found or declared deceased and then pay his beneficiary?? Not sure, but I would imagine they couldn't just hand it over to Christine... what if Nicholas just walked, I'm sure he is still entitled to his money. [/*]

Well, they must be handing his paychecks over to her, which, quite frankly, I'm surprised. She's lucky there, I guess.

I wonder if they've taken up a collection at his job for them....you know, among his co-workers.

[kpb]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Actually, I beat you all to that question.

:tongue:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

I asked it on the 'controversial' thread.
[/*]

Yes you did dianaelaine! :seeya: I wish they would of let that thread continue, but I guess I can see why they shut it down. I am sure admin got so many emails from all the people who kept posting over and over, this thread should be closed. :shrug:

[kpb]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well, they must be handing his paychecks over to her, which, quite frankly, I'm surprised. She's lucky there, I guess.

I wonder if they've taken up a collection at his job for them....you know, among his co-workers. [/*]

Yeah, come to think of it that is surprising that they are giving her the paychecks.

My husband and I work together... we get paid on Thursdays at around 3pm. He gets off at 1pm and is off Friday/Saturday. He had to send an email to our payroll clerk giving permission to give his check to me until further notice.

Perhaps Nicholas' check is deposited directly into their bank account... then I guess she and he would both have access to it. Maybe that is what is being done, but I agree if not, that is surpising.

[Nellie]

need2know...grab your hoover! :D

[kpb]

Originally posted by cteall
Oh WOW Snowbird, you "hated" someone on one of the boards that was spending her time trying to help someone in need? I am really sorry you feel that way. Each of us should be able to add what we want to a discussion without being hated. I haven't seen a single thing on any of her posts that would even cause me to question her motives let alone dislike her, let alone "hate" her. [/*]

I know cteall. That kind of took me back to read someone say that and then put a :biggrin: I don't really know what to think about that. Just consider the source I guess. :shrug:

[figritout]

The first thing people usually ask or wonder when someone is missing is, "Has anything happened recently out of the ordinary"? The only thing we absolutely know for sure is that he had resigned from MH. This usually is a big decision for people to make and there is usually a big reason behind it. This decision was made just two days before he went missing. When the links to this church were asked to be removed, that "imo" echoed that there is something going on that needs to be looked at. Again there are so many things that could have been happening that would possible answer the questions as to why NF is missing.

[decor]

Originally posted by kpb


Yes you did dianaelaine! :seeya: I wish they would of let that thread continue, but I guess I can see why they shut it down. I am sure admin got so many emails from all the people who kept posting over and over, this thread should be closed. :shrug: [/*]

to be fair to etsy maybe they felt it was getting just a little too controversial for a business site and they shut all threads down at the same time.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Does it bother anyone else that *nowhere* on Christine's blog, or (I'm pretty sure) in any of her online posts elsewhere, does she state that his employer was still paying his salary? It seems like one of those "lies by omission" to me. [/*]

It might damage the "money is desperately needed" mantra. To be quite honest, I'm surprised to see her admit it in that news article.

[isitme]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Actually, I beat you all to that question.

:tongue:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

I asked it on the 'controversial' thread.

;) [/*]

Yes you did. I remember reading it.

I also asked about the keys on this board, and if the locks had been changed. There was one response that basically said, (paraphrased) oh I'm sure she has already taken care of that. Which I took to mean that I was being silly to even suggest such a thing. But also made me wonder about the authors reason for such a response.

Not sure if it is worth my time to go look it up in the thousands of posts but I assure it was brought up here before now.

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by figritout


Because the car was so clean and was "being used" I believe there was foul play and I am inclined to believe he was forced into another vehicle and that someone else drove his. As to why someone would want to hurt NF there just is not enough information... Personal friend, family member or just random? I just can't wrap my mind around that car being driven around the area... [/*]

It was never said the car was clean just there was no evidence of foul play. Also after a quick check for obvious signs such as blood, bullet holes or signs of a struggle, they took it in to go over it more carefully and still found nothing to indicate foul play. Personally this makes it look even more likely that he just walked away on his own and may even still be in those condos.

As everyone has said there is no reason to believe that anyone who knew him would want to hurt him but there is thing that make you wonder if he just got tired of things and walked away. I won't go into those things because I'm sure someone would just complain that I was bashing CF.

[faraway]

I can post as well :)

I'd been waiting for the email also ...silly me !

I've been following this story from the beginning and my questions would be aimed at the church.
Thy left the church two days before Nicholas went missing and Christine asked to take the link off all the sites that were mentioning the church article about his dissapearance.

I thought that was strange ....


also , this is what I read today http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

[figritout]

Originally posted by isitme


Yes you did. I remember reading it.

I also asked about the keys on this board, and if the locks had been changed. There was one response that basically said, (paraphrased) oh I'm sure she has already taken care of that. Which I took to mean that I was being silly to even suggest such a thing. But also made me wonder about the authors reason for such a response.

Not sure if it is worth my time to go look it up in the thousands of posts but I assure it was brought up here before now. [/*]

You were not just being silly. It is a big concern and I am glad that you were out there to bring it up. I have been reading for days and somehow missed that. I never visited the other "controversial" thread so wouldn't have picked it up there. What is your take on the resigning of MH just a few days of going missing and the request to remove all links to the church?

[isitme]

Originally posted by Snowbird


No. I am not kidding this time :( [/*]

Well that kind of comment makes me more suspicious. It sounds like something that CF would be thinking??

[figritout]

Originally posted by faraway
I can post as well :)

I'd been waiting for the email also ...silly me !

I've been following this story from the beginning and my questions would be aimed at the church.
Thy left the church two days before Nicholas went missing and Christine asked to take the link off all the sites that were mentioning the church article about his dissapearance.

I thought that was strange ....


also , this is what I read today http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html [/*]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! We are thinking alike. I keep posting but...... I think there was something going on in this church, perhaps relationships that weren't appropriate or huge animosity with the elders/leaders, whatever you call them.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Snowbird


No. I am not kidding this time :( [/*]

Well the only discussions I've read there were the ones about the Franciscos, and there seemed to be a Stepford Wives or cult sort of mentality of everyone saying the same thing and getting quite "anxious" when anyone said anything that differed from the party line.

[faraway]

this is a small section of the article in this link http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004268764_missingman08m.html

Christine Francisco has gone on searches, prayed and even asked for help on national television, but after 3 ½ weeks she has lost hope that her husband will come home.

Jobless, two months pregnant and raising two small children, Francisco said she has had to put her emotions behind her and focus on supporting her young family. She believes Nicholas, her husband of seven years, was murdered, but she also understands why authorities say he may have disappeared voluntarily.

Nicholas Francisco, 28, vanished after leaving his Queen Anne graphic-design job on Feb. 13. Five days later, his red 1992 Toyota Paseo was found abandoned outside a Federal Way condominium complex.

King County sheriff's investigators say there was nothing inside the car to indicate foul play or to point to the SeaTac man's whereabouts. As a result, investigators have scaled back their search for him.

Francisco admits she and her husband, whom she met nearly a decade ago when they were students at the Art Institute of Seattle, didn't have a perfect marriage. But, she said, he wouldn't abandon their children.

[isitme]

Originally posted by figritout


You were not just being silly. It is a big concern and I am glad that you were out there to bring it up. I have been reading for days and somehow missed that. I never visited the other "controversial" thread so wouldn't have picked it up there. What is your take on the resigning of MH just a few days of going missing and the request to remove all links to the church? [/*]

I only mentioned that it had been brought up before because so many had posted that it had not been. I know not everyone reads every post here (I do, but I realize that not everyone has the time available to them that I do) but it did seem odd someone would have seen it of those that had posted that it had not been mentioned.

As for my take on the resigning from MH - I think there is a good possibility that there is a connection. IMHO the unanswered questions surrounding the resignation is enough of a reason investigate the matter.

[faraway]

Francisco admits she and her husband, whom she met nearly a decade ago when they were students at the Art Institute of Seattle, didn't have a perfect marriage. But, she said, he wouldn't abandon their children.

He would not abandon the children .....she didn't say her .

???

[desmom]

Re: The Church

When did they join MH Church?

How did they find the church? Was it recommended by friends or maybe a co-worker?

Did any other members/families recently resign from MH?

[faraway]

It is so obvious they want to hurt and humiliate her. I think LE really should be looking at the cause of NF's missing being connected to Christine and this Etsy connection.

Snowbird , could you explain the Etsy connection please? You seem to feel very strongly about it .
How would an online community be involved in his disappearance ? I'm assuming these people live all over the USA and not really in the Seattle area ...or am I wrong ?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know...grab your hoover! :D [/*]


All clean and ready for foot traffic!

[faraway]

Originally posted by desmom
Re: The Church

When did they join MH Church?

How did they find the church? Was it recommended by friends or maybe a co-worker?

Did any other members/families recently resign from MH? [/*]

good questions !

[desmom]

Originally posted by need2no


Cat this is what I've always loved about you...you call it as you see it and just spit it right out, no beating around the bush. :)
No doubt those in your life know exactly where they stand with you.

Call me paranoid, but I would change my locks...DH could just ring the doorbell if he found his way home. :D [/*]

ITA about Cat and the keys. :beer:

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom
Re: The Church

When did they join MH Church?

How did they find the church? Was it recommended by friends or maybe a co-worker?

Did any other members/families recently resign from MH? [/*]



Has LE interviewed the pastor, or any members of the congregation?

[figritout]

Originally posted by desmom
Re: The Church

When did they join MH Church?

How did they find the church? Was it recommended by friends or maybe a co-worker?

Did any other members/families recently resign from MH? [/*]

desmom,
I wish we could figure out a way to find the answers to these questions. Before I can really judge the actual church I need to do some investigating on my own into what is publicly known about them, I haven't read the links about the church as thoroughly as I need to before I get a sense of "cult" feeling or not . But I do feel if we can find the answers to these questions that we "imo" will find the answer to why NF is missing. And the people involved...

[Makaylah]

How many of the Etsy members knew C before N went missing? From what I have read here in previous posts from those that chatted with her, C did not portray her life as "perfect"

To state that they had anything to do with N missing, they would have had to known C before N's dissappearance.

JMO



Originally posted by Snowbird


In my opinion there are so many Etsy members coming on all the crime blogs that are solely out to get Christine they make me very suspicious. It has happened before out of thinking someone has a "perfect" life and wanting to destroy them. It is so obvious they want to hurt and humiliate her. I think LE really should be looking at the cause of NF's missing being connected to Christine and this Etsy connection. [/*]

[Nellie]

Originally posted by faraway


He would not abandon the children .....she didn't say her .

??? [/*]

....not this time....

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


In my opinion there are so many Etsy members coming on all the crime blogs that are solely out to get Christine they make me very suspicious. It has happened before out of thinking someone has a "perfect" life and wanting to destroy them. It is so obvious they want to hurt and humiliate her. I think LE really should be looking at the cause of NF's missing being connected to Christine and this Etsy connection. [/*]

They came to the crime blogs out of frustration because they could not discuss any possibilities on Etsy.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


....not this time.... [/*]

Right, and maybe he told her what his plans were and she did not believe he would really leave her. If I rememer correctly, it was the ETSY group that rallied around and wrote Nancy, Greta, and the local news station. Maybe this took on a lifeform Christine never dreamed about.

[desmom]

Originally posted by figritout


desmom,
I wish we could figure out a way to find the answers to these questions. Before I can really judge the actual church I need to do some investigating on my own into what is publicly known about them, I haven't read the links about the church as thoroughly as I need to before I get a sense of "cult" feeling or not . But I do feel if we can find the answers to these questions that we "imo" will find the answer to why NF is missing. And the people involved... [/*]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/1130/cover.html

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by Snowbird
Personally, I think LE needs to investigate the people at Etsy. I honesty believe one of those members would / could have killed Nick just to hurt Christine. There is way too much jealousy and hatred there to not check this group out very judiciously. [/*]

This is silly. Someone at etsy was able to plan the perfect murder get all the personal information on NF and CF life even down to figuring out which day N's phone was out of charge. They did this all just because CF was one of I'm sure many who pretended to have the perfect life.

This has to be the funniest post I have seen on this board yet.

[Makaylah]

"All donations have been used for bills and necessities."

quoted from http://thefranciscos.com/


Originally posted by Envision
I am from etsy but I am not out to get Christine, I am out to get the truth. Her previous "vents" in chat and her stories now do not match. And now that it has been revealed she is still getting Nicholas's paycheck, there should be some explanation of why there were desperate pleas for money and where that same money is going. [/*]

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Makaylah
"All donations have been used for bills and necessities."

quoted from http://thefranciscos.com/


[/*]

good thing she could catch up those bills....

[Silver_Dove]

I wonder if resigning from the church was about NF stopping working on their web site and news letter. Maybe cleaning up a lose end before he left? Wonder if there were any other cleaning up lose end types of things that he did in the last week or so before he left.

[kpb]

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It is so obvious they want to hurt and humiliate her. I think LE really should be looking at the cause of NF's missing being connected to Christine and this Etsy connection.
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Originally posted by faraway


Snowbird , could you explain the Etsy connection please? You seem to feel very strongly about it .
How would an online community be involved in his disappearance ? I'm assuming these people live all over the USA and not really in the Seattle area ...or am I wrong ? [/*]

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Pertaining to the above quote... I see nothing on this board about anyone wanting to hurt or humilate Christine. Every sentence that may question Christine's behavior (this is a crime board so that is the way it goes) you seem to have your mind made up that everyone is out to get her. In my opinion your act paranoid and unable to detach yourself from this case and be objective.

Faraway, from what I know Christine has two shops on Etsy and her husband has one.

Etsy is based in Brooklyn, NY, but has sellers from all over the world. You sign up to open a "shop". It is very similar to ebay except there are no auctions, everything has a fixed sale price.

You can sell items you handmake, vintage items and/or supplies. You the seller set your own terms, how you ship, method of payment, etc...

Etsy has been around 2 years.

There are thousands upon thousands of sellers, with hundreds signing up every day. Everybody does not know everybody else as someone thought earlier.

I signed up to be a buyer and after almost a year, I opened a shop. I now have 2 shops.

If you frequent the forums, you will recognize people by their usernames. I lurk a lot in them. I had never heard or seen Christine in the forums before her post about her husband missing. I searched and it doesn't seem like she posted much prior to that. I did see the 2 threads she started about her husband's shop (although she acted like she was just a random satisfied customer and not related.) Other than that, there I didn't see much more.

Someone earlier commented that she used to frequent the Etsy chat rooms, which are different than the forums. They are fairly new I believe, maybe been around for several months. I stopped in one once or twice, but they move fast.

It's a nice site... I bought a purse from Israel, handmade soap from Florida and vintage Christmas candy boxes from Pennsylvania....just to name a few. ;)

You have probably gotten other answers because I seem to be slow replying..... :seeya:

[kpb]

Originally posted by Silver_Dove


This is silly. Someone at etsy was able to plan the perfect murder get all the personal information on NF and CF life even down to figuring out which day N's phone was out of charge. They did this all just because CF was one of I'm sure many who pretended to have the perfect life.

This has to be the funniest post I have seen on this board yet. [/*]

I thought it was funny too, but I think they are serious. :shrug:

[decor]

Originally posted by Snowbird


How do we know one of them doesn't live in the area. Someone who really stirs the pot regarding Christine. Someone jealous of her "perfect" life, having two cars etc. Just read back at all the post from etsy members. Do you know where each is from? I am really suspicious of just which one started all the negative posts about Christine, who started saying she was the one asking for donations, which we now know is not true. There just seems to be a lot of jealousy over her perfect perceived life for there not to be any flames out there. It only takes one person. [/*]

I am sure no one from Etsy is involved.
I'm from Etsy and I don't hate Christine.

I do think what happened was what Rainey said. You were only allowed to post positive things on the Etsy threads which got as tiresome as only posting and reading negative things.

so a lot of people that had questions about Christine and other things jumped on board so they could voice their opinions.

[kpb]

Originally posted by Envision


How do we know YOU don't or didn't?? :rolleyes: [/*]

Wow, exactly what I was thinking! :eek:

[kpb]

Originally posted by Envision
Christine actually has 3 shops. She sells decorative rocks in her 3rd less revealed shop. [/*]

Thanks Envision. :)

[moonlessnite]

oh gawd, she's still updating her blog to address what is said here.

WHY DID THEY NEED DONATIONS WHEN THEY ARE STILL ON THE SAME INCOME AS WHEN NF WAS THERE?

I do not understand this at all. who cares if the $ is used for bills & necessities. couldn't we all use some extra $ to use on bills. that does not make it ok. Ho Hos and twinkies are necessities for some people. and multiple useless websites constitute bills.
they are not suffering until their financial situation changes due to NF leaving. And it hadn't/hasn't yet. This thing with the money is not okay.

anyone notice the continuing emphasis on money problems in the Seattle Times article? Bills piling up - financial advisor, etc. There is too much emphasis on money here. too much. and it just continues.

i noticed she added "which is why i am so grateful for any and all help during this terrible time." as an afterthought finally, to address our criticism that she never thanks anyone for $. BUT - she's still soliciting the money. it's like, thank you, and please can I have some more???

how can you have closure if you never stop searching? conflicting messages there. if you never stop searching you can keep asking for donations?

[desmom]

Originally posted by Envision


So why the DESPERATE plea? She was still receiving his salary, nothing changed regarding her finances. [/*]


:beer:



oh I so want to IMO this, but I don't want to sound catty

[kpb]

Originally posted by Snowbird

You don't know that. We never know about someone online.
But I do not live anywhere near Washington State and not an Etsy member if necessary could prove where I have been every day all year etc. [/*]

Every day all year... are you in prison or something?

[decor]

Originally posted by Envision
Christine actually has 3 shops. She sells decorative rocks in her 3rd less revealed shop. [/*]

I heard early on that she had three shops but then only saw two.

do you mean like painted rocks? something she does with her daughter or just herself?

[Silver_Dove]

oh oh I just figured it out. Someone from Etsy who was jealous of CF having the perfect husband came and seduced NF and took him away to wait on her hand and foot bringing her coffee and buying her sugar.

:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

[kpb]

Originally posted by Snowbird

You don't know that. We never know about someone online.
But I do not live anywhere near Washington State and not an Etsy member if necessary could prove where I have been every day all year etc. [/*]

So now the list of subjects is narrowed down to Etsy members who live near Washington State.

Whew, relief here, I live in Missouri. :cool:

[decor]

okay. I thought maybe it was a project she did with her daughter as I didn't think decorative rocks were still popular and went out in the 70's. :)

[figritout]

Originally posted by desmom


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/1130/cover.html [/*]

Thank you for the link, definitly interesting reading. I am researching things on the web also. NF was intricatley involved with the core people of this church doing the work for them he did, so if LE interviewed them they should be able to give a sense if they had alarm bells at all about relationships between NF and members and CF and members. I just don't know if LE would reach out that far in this investigation, again not feeling really confident.

[moonlessnite]

I think the money piece here is key. Why would NF leave CF & kids with no alimony, life insurance, child support, etc.?
Given CF's willingness to take money from others so easily and early, I wager that NF wants her to find out what it's like to have to provide for herself and the kids. This could all be about money - CF living on NF's money - and NF saying "no more". This could have been a huge ongoing fight between them for a long time. Add one more kid to the financial drain, and he's gone, leaving her to be the bread winner.
It's a good lesson to learn, although not the nicest way to teach it.
...and maybe it wasn't supposed to last this long.
I totally agree with whoever said that CF has brought this all on herself by her web of deceit.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I thought the husband was suppose to support the family. [/*]

Maybe it was a "beer budget, champagne taste" situation.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by decor
okay. I thought maybe it was a project she did with her daughter as I didn't think decorative rocks were still popular and went out in the 70's. :) [/*]

I think things like that are sweet, but probably more special and sentimental to parents, grandparents, etc.

[need2no]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
I think the money piece here is key. Why would NF leave CF & kids with no alimony, life insurance, child support, etc.?
Given CF's willingness to take money from others so easily and early, I wager that NF wants her to find out what it's like to have to provide for herself and the kids. This could all be about money - CF living on NF's money - and NF saying "no more". This could have been a huge ongoing fight between them for a long time. Add one more kid to the financial drain, and he's gone, leaving her to be the bread winner.
It's a good lesson to learn, although not the nicest way to teach it.
...and maybe it wasn't supposed to last this long.
I totally agree with whoever said that CF has brought this all on herself by her web of deceit. [/*]


Maybe finances were strained and they had decided Christine would go to work outside the home ....then Christine announces she is pregnant. Maybe NF thought she was using birth control after the miscarriage, and he believes she pulled a fast one on him. Paying daycare for 3 children would hardly make it worthwhile to work outside the home. Maybe Nicholas decided he couldn't take anymore after he learned baby #3 was on the way, and he also knew he couldn't afford child support for 3 children.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no



Maybe finances were strained and they had decided Christine would go to work outside the home ....then Christine announces she is pregnant. Maybe NF thought she was using birth control after the miscarriage, and he believes she pulled a fast one on him. Paying daycare for 3 children would hardly make it worthwhile to work outside the home. Maybe Nicholas decided he couldn't take anymore after he learned baby #3 was on the way, and he also knew he couldn't afford child support for 3 children. [/*]

You know some people have stated that Christine does not have a voice; however that is not true. She is blogging whenever she wants to which is her vessel of communication. The one who does NOT have a voice at all is Nicholas.

[kpb]

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Originally posted by kpb


Every day all year... are you in prison or something? [/*]
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Originally posted by Snowbird


How do you know I haven't worked every day all year.
May be LE
May have an online job that can be traced through computer usage.

How do you know who I am? [/*]

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I don't know, hence my asking.

You have worked EVERY day ALL year, no time off whatsoever? If so, that does clear up some questions I had concerning what you post.

I also work in LE as does my husband. I am sure you aren't suggesting that of you do that you are incapable of committing a crime.

Online jobs...hmmm, maybe using a
portable laptop.